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Posted by: Dim
« on: March 29, 2013, 13:29 »
Linux has always had those little flaws that caused it problems. Going back to the redhat days (i still have redhat as an install on something like 11 cd's), would work beautifully but networking was hell.
And of course there was installing software.. In the early redhat days you still had to install everything from command line, unzipping tar.gz giles, performing command line instructions to unpack them, install them, was chaos. And then Redhat brought along RPM, their equivalent to windows installer, you could just browse for programs and install them. Although you couldnt. You installed something, it said you couldnt because crucial dependancies were missing (similar to windows dll's and the like). So you hunted down the missing dependancy, which ultimately meant going old school and extracting the tar file, command line installing, only to discover the dependancy was missing a dependancy, so back you went to the next level, found the missing peice of software, discovered that was missing something.. it could take a day to install a peice of software.
Gradually mover on through SUSE and various other flavours, but some things remained a headache. Networking was flakey at best, especially on desktop pc's where a network card had been added, linux simply didnt cater for the wide range of different network cards. NTSC mounting was hit and miss. I think Mint was about the last distro I had dual booted. When i bought the new laptop with win7 i never got round to dual booting (windows 7 doesnt much like dual booting anyway).
Still have a few kicking around on livecd's in case i ever need them for recovery or something.
Posted by: L'arriviste
« on: March 29, 2013, 11:31 »
A strange thing happened to me with regard to OS preferences. When I came to Belgium almost five years ago now, I was running Mint, a lean but slick and very user friendly flavour of Linux. I had it on dual boot with XP because of the perennial problem of application support.
However, I found that here I could never connect to the home Internet on Mint. I never figured out whether it was a problem with the ISP. I tried a lot of stuff - Mrs L'arri was a sys admin years ago and a Linux boffin but she couldn't figure it out - but eventually I just always ended up running XP, with which there were no such problems.
It's sad but Linux always had these kinds of issues back then. It was a vicious circle with vendors often refusing to support it and homemade drivers and software being a bit patchy. Since then however what folks predicted has become increasingly true. As more goes online and mobile, desktop OS moves closer to irrelevance and eventually obsolescence.
My GPS mapping tools are a good example: three years ago I was planning hikes with MapSource on XP. Last year I bought a Garmin 800 for the bike and I do everything online using a Garmin app built on a GoogleMaps base layer.
Posted by: Fus87
« on: March 29, 2013, 09:44 »
I still run XP, and I see absolutely no reason to switch. It works as supposed.
If I get a new computer some day, I will consider getting a new OS. But until then, why on earth should I?
Posted by: Dim
« on: March 28, 2013, 22:26 »
Poor windows 8, despite selling it at about $40 for three months, its still selling worse unit wise than the calamatous flipup that was vista    Up yours M$
Posted by: mew
« on: March 24, 2013, 16:39 »
may have to try that...janetter
Posted by: krabkakes
« on: March 24, 2013, 13:13 »
janetter is way good. I really like the thumbnails of pictures in the tweets. I still haven't figured out how to set up tablet but I haven't really tried just kinda poking around.
Posted by: Fus87
« on: March 08, 2013, 19:16 »
Which is exactly what I did. 
Posted by: L'arriviste
« on: March 08, 2013, 18:25 »
Searching for files installed during the "attack", I've found several Prefetch files that seem connected to the programs he used (well, I used - he got me to install them, after all) to get remote access.
And there are several DLL files (and some other stuff) that are put in the Mozilla Firefox folder, but could of course be placed there and are actually harmful.
They could also be part of a normal Firefox update of course.
I guess the way to go is to do a System Restore, but will that affect these files? Or should I go the safe way and delete them completely. If Firefox doesn't run as intended after that, I can always re-install it, right?
If you do a System Restore, new files on the disk will not disappear, only the registry configuration and a few bits and pieces like that. So anything deposited on your HDD (e.g. documents you created since then) will remain. When you have restored, you should then do a Windows Search specifying today's date (or the date of the intrusion) and that should show you any crap added at that time.
Posted by: Fus87
« on: March 08, 2013, 16:01 »
Right. Looks like I may have come through without major damage.
After the System Restore, most of the suspicious-looking files are back to their older (hopefully non-infected) versions, and I've deleted those that still remained.
So far, nothing fishy has showed up in the Task Manager or the Event Viewer; I'll keep looking there.
L'arri, thanks for your prompt help; it's very much appreciated.
Posted by: Dim
« on: March 08, 2013, 14:57 »
depending on what theme you are in teh button is in a different place. im using one of the black themes that looks like the old tweetdeck and the list icon is about 3 in from the top left.
Posted by: krabkakes
« on: March 08, 2013, 14:54 »
in old tweetdeck, new tweetdeck or something else?
old tweetdeck yes, new tweetdeck, god knows i used it for about 2 days and threw a hissy fit
in janetter which i use yes, they are called lists and you can create as many as you like, it shold import your twitter ones
yeah in janetter . I downloaded for laptop and tablet. ok lists I'll check it out thanks dim.
Posted by: Fus87
« on: March 08, 2013, 14:49 »
Searching for files installed during the "attack", I've found several Prefetch files that seem connected to the programs he used (well, I used - he got me to install them, after all) to get remote access.
And there are several DLL files (and some other stuff) that are put in the Mozilla Firefox folder, but could of course be placed there and are actually harmful.
They could also be part of a normal Firefox update of course.
I guess the way to go is to do a System Restore, but will that affect these files? Or should I go the safe way and delete them completely. If Firefox doesn't run as intended after that, I can always re-install it, right?
Posted by: Dim
« on: March 08, 2013, 14:23 »
Can I set up tweeters in groups? I don't see that option so far. I had four columns before
in old tweetdeck, new tweetdeck or something else? old tweetdeck yes, new tweetdeck, god knows i used it for about 2 days and threw a hissy fit in janetter which i use yes, they are called lists and you can create as many as you like, it shold import your twitter ones
Posted by: Fus87
« on: March 08, 2013, 14:20 »
Currently running Malwarebytes (via another user account), we'll see if it finds anything. I'll have a look at both the Task Manager and the Event Viewer. And I'll do a System Restore after that. Not the greatest way to spend a sunny afternoon. 
Posted by: krabkakes
« on: March 08, 2013, 14:11 »
besides my anti-virus I also run Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware program as it uncovers stuff that the anti-virus does not. http://www.malwarebytes.org/products/malwarebytes_free/
Posted by: L'arriviste
« on: March 08, 2013, 13:58 »
Apparently I've been (almost) successfully hacked. Not sure how much success they had.
I got a call from an Indian guy claiming to be from "Microsoft Support". I was suspicious at first, but he managed to convince me he was legitimate by reading to me what looked like a license key (but is apparently something that is the same on most computers, so easy to get for them).
Anyway, he got me so far as to allow him remote access. Stupid, I know, but after that "license key" I wasn't that suspicious anymore.
I got the hang of it when he told me I had to buy a new warranty for ~200 €, and I spent a couple of minutes arguing whether that would be necessary. When he started typing Western Union, I disconnected the internet and hang up.
So, while I didn't pay anything or provide any bank account/credit card information, he still had access to my computer for maybe 10 minutes. Surely enough to secretly install whatever they want - I suppose if you're a scammer you'll go for it all instead of limiting yourself to a one-off 200 € payment, especially if you spend half an hour or more talking people into it.
What should I do now?
I have already changed my e-mail password, and will probably have to change various other passwords as well. But I'm afraid they could have installed some software to spy out my credit card information or netbanking passwords when I do use them again from this computer.
As the Danish netbanking system is double-secured, with someone first having to type an ID and a password, and then a one-time key, I think it would be rather hard for them to actually get access to my bank account. But I can't be sure.
Any advice?
Firstly, don't panic and don't do too much else until you've had a good look around on your box. Because you enabled access, if they had installed anything, it wouldn't have been the "usual" (i.e. "detectable") trojans, worms, hacks etc. So even if your anti-virus doesn't spot anything, that doesn't guarantee that you're clean. It's sort of like the computer version of "never tested positive". Take a look at the processes you're running using Task Manager and look for anything unusual there. Also, using Event Viewer, see if anything new or suspicious happened since then. Any services starting up that you don't recognise, etc. The only way they could realistically grab your bank details is using a keystroke app, but that's still not enough if you have to enter a one-time key, as you say. You just have to be careful with online credit-card payments where that one-time key often doesn't apply. Anyway, because they have been written using listeners, keystroke apps can sometimes make their presence known by introducing a slight lag between the keystroke and the appearance of the characters on the screen. Looking out for that is a sure way to go crazy with paranoia! The app's presence will also be visible in the Task Manager but of course you have to be looking to notice it. If in doubt, reinstall Windows or, if you have it, use System Restore to go back to an earlier point in time prior to the intrusion. Best of all, install a good, user-friendly Linux flavour instead.
Posted by: Fus87
« on: March 08, 2013, 13:43 »
Apparently I've been (almost) successfully hacked. Not sure how much success they had.
I got a call from an Indian guy claiming to be from "Microsoft Support". I was suspicious at first, but he managed to convince me he was legitimate by reading to me what looked like a license key (but is apparently something that is the same on most computers, so easy to get for them).
Anyway, he got me so far as to allow him remote access. Stupid, I know, but after that "license key" I wasn't that suspicious anymore.
I got the hang of it when he told me I had to buy a new warranty for ~200 €, and I spent a couple of minutes arguing whether that would be necessary. When he started typing Western Union, I disconnected the internet and hang up.
So, while I didn't pay anything or provide any bank account/credit card information, he still had access to my computer for maybe 10 minutes. Surely enough to secretly install whatever they want - I suppose if you're a scammer you'll go for it all instead of limiting yourself to a one-off 200 € payment, especially if you spend half an hour or more talking people into it.
What should I do now?
I have already changed my e-mail password, and will probably have to change various other passwords as well. But I'm afraid they could have installed some software to spy out my credit card information or netbanking passwords when I do use them again from this computer.
As the Danish netbanking system is double-secured, with someone first having to type an ID and a password, and then a one-time key, I think it would be rather hard for them to actually get access to my bank account. But I can't be sure.
Any advice?
Posted by: Anthony Moan
« on: March 07, 2013, 14:00 »
I have an email account (yahoo) that I very rarely use, and yesterday it sent out a spam message to everyone in my contact list. A link to some 'work from home' opportunity or something with my name as the subject heading. Anyone had this happen to them, and if so is this something to be concerned about or just an annoyance?
Dude did you get email from fat black hooker, same one as in Borat movie?
Posted by: krabkakes
« on: March 07, 2013, 13:32 »
Can I set up tweeters in groups? I don't see that option so far. I had four columns before
Posted by: Dim
« on: March 07, 2013, 13:15 »
Mr. dim I just got a notification on tweetdeck that I needed to upgrade as my current version was going to cease functioning  as you know the new versions are useless. what's up with that
yup, twitter are changing the api and forcing multiple platforms to make changes, and at the same time stop people using old tweetdeck.. i moved a few months ago, using janetter on both desktop and mobile. with a theme that looks like old tweetdeck. works realy well, certainly for me with multiple accounts.
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