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« Reply #480 on: June 23, 2012, 00:40 »
Why?

Executive/Legislature sets the policy and appoints an independent body to most effectively manage it. I guess we should abolish the RBA then? Leave MP up to Swanny and his mates?

The Leader of the authority is the Greens, Clive Hamilton who once said that Earth should halt democracy  in order to fight global Warming. Keynesian Economist John Quiggin, Economist Lynne Williams, John Marlay who is a member of the Carbon Trading Scheme Body, Trade Unionist Elana Rubin and climate 'scientist' David Karoly who is one of the lead authors of the IPCC.

I also dislike the ideal of the Body. They set emissions targets for Australia, advise how the Government gets to those targets,  set the Carbon Price and as a result the tax rate, set future pollution caps and set the budget on how much we spend on reducing 'carbon pollution'. They basically controls how our Country tackles man made climate change. Though it gets better! If the Government does not take on the recommendations made by the Climate Change Authority, it faces serious penalties! I think we should change the name of this Authority to 'Climate Change Dictatorship! What is even better now is that the Gillard Government has set up a Gestapo-like Carbon Tax Cops system! As soon as we get rid of this awful Government, the better!
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« Reply #481 on: June 23, 2012, 02:04 »
The Leader of the authority is the Greens, Clive Hamilton who once said that Earth should halt democracy  in order to fight global Warming. Keynesian Economist John Quiggin, Economist Lynne Williams, John Marlay who is a member of the Carbon Trading Scheme Body, Trade Unionist Elana Rubin and climate 'scientist' David Karoly who is one of the lead authors of the IPCC.

I also dislike the ideal of the Body. They set emissions targets for Australia, advise how the Government gets to those targets,  set the Carbon Price and as a result the tax rate, set future pollution caps and set the budget on how much we spend on reducing 'carbon pollution'. They basically controls how our Country tackles man made climate change. Though it gets better! If the Government does not take on the recommendations made by the Climate Change Authority, it faces serious penalties! I think we should change the name of this Authority to 'Climate Change Dictatorship! What is even better now is that the Gillard Government has set up a Gestapo-like Carbon Tax Cops system! As soon as we get rid of this awful Government, the better!

Well if you disagree with who is on the board that is a fair point, but it doesn't make it an invalid concept.

So you would rather Greg Combet setting the price to suit his interests, than an independent body who set the price to achieve the intended policy outcome?

Please don't tell me you are as economically illiterate as your leader.

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« Reply #482 on: June 23, 2012, 05:59 »
Well if you disagree with who is on the board that is a fair point, but it doesn't make it an invalid concept.

So you would rather Greg Combet setting the price to suit his interests, than an independent body who set the price to achieve the intended policy outcome?

Please don't tell me you are as economically illiterate as your leader.
Economically illiterate as my leader? Firstly I reject the premise of that comment and secondly  I do see it as an invalid concept which I have stated in the aforementioned post. I would much rather no ETS and I would much rather an elected person governing this country than a non-elected person. I think it is rather logical what I am saying.

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« Reply #483 on: June 23, 2012, 06:36 »
Economically illiterate as my leader? Firstly I reject the premise of that comment and secondly  I do see it as an invalid concept which I have stated in the aforementioned post. I would much rather no ETS and I would much rather an elected person governing this country than a non-elected person. I think it is rather logical what I am saying.

Well your leader is economically illiterate because he proposes the exact same GHG reduction but using non-market methods. If he wants to come out and call Marshall/Pigou a load of rubbish then I'd admire that position, but instead maintains a facade where he achieves economic credibility simply by ignoring economics period.

You shouldn't allow politicians driven by the short-term to manipulate settings aimed at meeting a long-term goal.

I mean this is mainstream economics, it's fine to oppose it. But please don't do it whilst pretending to maintain "economic credibility" which for a politician, means adherence to mainstream economics.

If you're arguing from a democratic rights point of view that is OK and a different argument.

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« Reply #484 on: June 23, 2012, 13:14 »
Well your leader is economically illiterate because he proposes the exact same GHG reduction but using non-market methods. If he wants to come out and call Marshall/Pigou a load of rubbish then I'd admire that position, but instead maintains a facade where he achieves economic credibility simply by ignoring economics period.

You shouldn't allow politicians driven by the short-term to manipulate settings aimed at meeting a long-term goal.

I mean this is mainstream economics, it's fine to oppose it. But please don't do it whilst pretending to maintain "economic credibility" which for a politician, means adherence to mainstream economics.

If you're arguing from a democratic rights point of view that is OK and a different argument.

Oh, please don't think that I agree with Abbott's and the Coalition's plan on GHG through their Direct Action Plan. Even people within the party such as Dr Dennis Jensen and Senator Ron Boswell have opposed at least parts of it.

I do support the Liberal Party, but I do not support all of their legislation neither do I like all the members of the party.

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« Reply #487 on: July 20, 2012, 10:32 »
Thanks to ACF for this

John Clarke and Brian Dawe ... Tour de France of Australian politics




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« Reply #488 on: July 23, 2012, 11:51 »


Interesting set of graphs from the IMF.

Top line is the forecast Debt to GDP ratio with no change in policies. Middle line is with some reforms. Bottom line is with draconian measures in place.

Look at France. The IMF are basically saying that bankruptcy is assured whatever they do.

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« Reply #489 on: July 25, 2012, 13:50 »

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« Reply #490 on: August 16, 2012, 14:43 »
....so is anything going to come of the following or is just a bit of a political windstorm that is not strong enough to blow apart any houses?...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/15/australian-politicians-inquiry-iraq-invasion

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« Reply #491 on: August 16, 2012, 15:46 »
Wonder when Ranga will jump all over that report ;D

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Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
« Reply #492 on: August 19, 2012, 05:09 »
Got to love drones, just blindly killing all before them. If only the Pakistani intelligence didn't have such a flippant, could easily be called abetting, attitude towards terror groups.

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« Reply #493 on: August 25, 2012, 14:32 »
Very quick quiz to see where you lie on the US political spectrum, overall, economically and socially.

http://www.people-press.org/political-party-quiz/

I was a bit left of centre across the board which is a little dull.

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« Reply #494 on: August 25, 2012, 16:25 »
Very quick quiz to see where you lie on the US political spectrum, overall, economically and socially.

http://www.people-press.org/political-party-quiz/

I was a bit left of centre across the board which is a little dull.

Far, far left. On social issues I couldn't go any further to the left, on economic issues more centre-left. Makes sense, since I vote social-liberal in the Netherlands, which in American definitions would make me at the same time a communist and a hippie.

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« Reply #495 on: September 12, 2012, 15:55 »
http://dawn.com/2012/09/12/at-least-63-dead-in-karachi-factory-blaze-fire-officer/

Just unfortunate. Even worse is that nothing will come off it. Just the way it is in these parts of the world.

There was a firework factory fire in Sivakasi, the place with the second highest firework production, which killed nearly forty.

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« Reply #496 on: September 13, 2012, 10:47 »
31 people undead since then. Now the confirmed figure is 258

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« Reply #497 on: October 12, 2012, 05:17 »
Google images->completely wrong

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« Reply #498 on: November 14, 2012, 05:39 »
@SpecterTracy: @eddieizzard this is the most inspiring photo. I love her! http://t.co/d4vovxRN

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« Reply #499 on: November 14, 2012, 13:48 »
She's the face of a hero, maybe. But what can't be forgotten is the many whose stories get brushed under the carpet due to the Taliban's atrocities. Without sh*tting on any sentiments, it certainly helps being an educated English speaking person in Pakistan.

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« Reply #500 on: November 14, 2012, 13:56 »
She's the face of a hero, maybe. But what can't be forgotten is the many whose stories get brushed under the carpet due to the Taliban's atrocities. Without sh*tting on any sentiments, it certainly helps being an educated English speaking person in Pakistan.

The media is focussing heavily on her for sure, and hopefully a by-product of that will be raising of awareness of the plight of Pakistan, and the evil of the Taliban as a whole - it can't hurt to have a martyr, most countries have had one or two.

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« Reply #501 on: November 14, 2012, 13:57 »
it certainly helps being an educated English speaking person in Pakistan.

That helps everywhere in the world, IMO.

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« Reply #502 on: November 14, 2012, 14:01 »
I'm just glad she survived. Hope some good comes of the f*cked up evil done to her - can you imagine being shot in the face..

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« Reply #503 on: November 14, 2012, 14:04 »
I'm not going to get into the emotional aspect of it. I don't know her, and there are hundreds of no names who die that we don't even get to learn of

Has it started with Yousufzal? No. And in no way has it ended with her. I don't realise why it took so long? I don't realise why the world saw the Taliban as an organisation to be trusted with a political wing.

In fact, I should've said, an educated, English speaking, internet poster. As far as domestic reach in Pakistan goes, the internet isn't really going to make a difference but to the elite.

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« Reply #504 on: November 14, 2012, 14:10 »
Perhaps it's because people don't want to get into the emotional side of things that it's taken so long? This is what it takes for people to get noticed these days. It's a shame re all the other nameless victims, but better late than never, right? As for the Internet posting, elite, etc again I just feel any exposure is better than none. And this might not reach the everyday Pakistani but they live there, they kinda know, it is people like me who need to hear it. Look, she's raised awareness, you have to agree that's a good thing, right :-)

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« Reply #505 on: November 14, 2012, 14:22 »
She raises awareness in the world media. No questioning that. But this awareness still has not amounted to asking the most pertinent and necessary questions as to why the Taliban have a political wing.

In my opinion, emotions are better off independent from news coverage, and definitely have to be independent of policy making. Pandering to emotions got a white elephant war in Iraq. Charged emotions against the red enemy to the north led to the founding of the Taliban (by the ISI, no less). Charged emotions are the only reason that the Taliban are even a presence, and a strong one in FATA like regions,

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« Reply #506 on: November 14, 2012, 14:50 »
Yo, we could go round and round forever - the only emotion that I expressed was feeling sorry for this girl, and that is not misplaced. Sorry I asked you to imagine her situation, didn't realise it's not your thing, won't do it again. As for emotion in the media & all the other things you mentioned - agreed. Unfortunately it is often only these kind of posters that get the world players & their citizens to take notice - is it right or fair, no, but they are the ones that have the power & one needs them on your side if you want questions raised. I don't like it, but I will put that aside in the hope that posting her pic might make a difference. Better than not posting her pic.

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« Reply #507 on: November 14, 2012, 14:55 »
Yeah, just posting randomly. Not grated at all, apart from how narrow the media coverage has been.

And we could agree to disagree on this.

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« Reply #508 on: November 14, 2012, 15:04 »
Cool, and thanks for the posts, always cool to hear your opinion, that's kinda the point of a forum, hey :-)

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« Reply #509 on: November 14, 2012, 15:07 »
And we could agree to disagree on this.

Absolutely, it's one of my favourite things :-D

 

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