Posted by: just some guy« on: March 29, 2012, 19:49 »I reckon Merckx was first because of all the great winners of the Giro he is alive and very well known in italy. He makes an appearance nearly every year and gives long interviews to RAI and speaks Italian. Makes for better PR. But he would not have been my choice as first. agreed but making Coppi 1st would not be as media friendly as you say plus the others mentioned here ofc Posted by: benotti69« on: March 29, 2012, 19:46 »I reckon Merckx was first because of all the great winners of the Giro he is alive and very well known in italy. He makes an appearance nearly every year and gives long interviews to RAI and speaks Italian. Makes for better PR. But he would not have been my choice as first.
Posted by: flicker2.0« on: March 29, 2012, 16:13 »Not to say Pantani was not one of the all time greats. He was.
I liked this guy (Mayo) quite a bit better. He has a sense of humour. Unfortunately he was probably asked to retire. Iban Mayo. Posted by: BYOP« on: March 29, 2012, 11:21 »Nope they actually happened.
Posted by: flicker2.0« on: March 29, 2012, 04:33 »Of course Pantani belongs here. I wasn't following Pantani during his career, only at the tail end, which was quite tragic. I find his preformances preposterous. I watch them on u tube and they are extremely fictional. Posted by: just some guy« on: March 22, 2012, 10:38 »Slight change
Cipo is one year older A video of the best sprinters of the Giro released by RCS Posted by: Capt_Cavman« on: March 21, 2012, 20:56 »...We all know what opinions are like, and on this topic mine differs to yours. He couldn't make it. He is evidence that we can't win unless we betray ourselves and our passion. He won the Giro by a minute and a half. In the final ITT he came an amazing third, taking time out of Tonkov. In the previous ITT Tonkov had taken 2 minutes out of Pantani. Pantani didn't win his GTs just through an ability to climb like a Spitfire, he won them through a sudden ability to TT like a Panzerwagen. I pretty much stopped following cycling from 1998 to 2005 because I found Pantani's TTing performances too ridiculous to take seriously. And that was just a foretaste. Posted by: The Hitch« on: March 21, 2012, 20:10 »Of course Pantani belongs here.
Even last year, 8 years after he last rode the Giro, it was a big thing that the race was going into Cessena because that was Pantani's home region and even though it was miles from his home town, there were still loads of Il Pirata fans to greet the race. His name is still written on the mountains. He transcended the sport. Ferrari asked him to appear at their new car launch. Maradona cried when he heard Pantani had died. His name is still sung at football stadiums. And his cycling, maddonne, the stuff of legend. Attacking whenever the road went up. Putting a show on for the fans whether it brings in the win or it doesnt. Putting 9 minutes into an opponent. Thats why he was loved even before he won the Giro. The entirety of the last decade has been spent searching for Pantani his style and his star. Pantani, like Coppi represents Romanticsm in cycling. The idea that cyclists can win by racing beautifully. The idea that a cyclist can make it. That this thing of ours is not doomed to a 30 second bulletin in July but that one of ours can become king. And whats more, do it, not just by being an English speaking rider to win the Tour, but by do it through style, through personality and through winning the Giro as well as the Tour. Pantani is to the Giro what Bolivar is to the Colombians and Venezuelans, what Zapata is to the Mexicans, what Washington is to the yanks, what Churchill is to the Brits. Sure if you dig deep enough, as with all heroes, you find there is an unpleasant side to it all too, and like so many heroes he had his troubles and he died young. But what matters is that he led us to victory, he gave us the memories and he showed us that once in a while, we can win. Posted by: Maxiton« on: March 19, 2012, 19:01 »Posted by: flicker2.0« on: March 16, 2012, 20:47 »I can't really hold it against Fuente not eating in the San Remo"resting stage." When I watch the Stars and Water carriers film, racing against guys like Battaglin, Giomondi, (Ritter?) Merckx, etc. as a leader it would upset ones stomach. would be so, so intimidating,
Battaglin and Giomondi were and are so classy. Posted by: Eshnar« on: March 16, 2012, 20:42 »Due to his massive gains from the sport instituteI was about to say that indeed :  Personally I don't mind if he gets in. Never been a fan of his, but I feel if Merckx is in, then he can too. Posted by: Libertine Seguros« on: March 16, 2012, 20:33 »Fuente and Ocaña had some epic battles. The '74 Vuelta, where Fuente and Lasa tagged off against Agostinho and Ocaña, all finishing inside 2 minutes of each other, was classic, the closest finish in Vuelta history I think (11" between Fuente in 1st and Agostinho in 2nd). The last day was a two-part stage, a medium-mountain short stage from Eibar to San Sebastián and then a 35km ITT around the Gipuzkoan city. During the morning stage, Ocaña, who was only a few minutes down and a much better time triallist than Fuente, attacked, and the two fought tooth and nail, actually colliding and taking each other out, eventually losing a bit of time to Agostinho's group. Fuente was injured and cut open, and took to the afternoon ITT with 2'25" to play with over Agostinho and a torn and bloody jersey. He lost 2'14".
Your memory serves you correctly with the Giro too - he lost the 1974 Giro by 3 minutes despite giving up more than 9 after not eating on a flat stage into Sanremo at the end of week 2. He won 5 stages, and spent several days in week 3 in multiple mountain solo attacks to try to win that time back. Posted by: flicker2.0« on: March 16, 2012, 20:01 »Did Fuente ever battle it out with Ocana, or Van Impe, they were all so epic climbers.
I read that in that Satars and Water carriers film about Fuente Giro against Merckx, Fuente lost due to a tactical blunder Posted by: Libertine Seguros« on: March 16, 2012, 19:54 »Is the green jersey Fuente? I read somewhere he was a rider who would make JP blush.Yup, José Manuel Fuente. One of the greatest climbers of all time, and a man who could make Merckx sweat in the mountains. His heyday was short; he was only a pro for six or seven years and was forced to retire at 30 due to kidney disease, which he had on and off through his entire adult life and which eventually caused his death. Though he was a DS later on, it is unfair to start implying him in shady goings on given that he was only a DS for one year (1988 at Clas), and the rest of his time between retirement and death was spent on his bike business. He was an all time great, and because of his short heyday is really sadly underrated in the pantheon of cycling legends. Posted by: just some guy« on: March 16, 2012, 19:44 »Due to his massive gains from the sport institute
but then it could be argued that others may have had the same - Posted by: Eshnar« on: March 16, 2012, 19:42 »Do you put this guy inMaybe it's a dumb question but... why not? Posted by: flicker2.0« on: March 16, 2012, 19:39 »Is the green jersey Fuente? I read somewhere he was a rider who would make JP blush.
Did he not die at 50? A DS after retirement.Very dodgy. Posted by: Libertine Seguros« on: March 16, 2012, 18:59 » Both of these guys, please. Posted by: ZamanAbbaticchio« on: March 16, 2012, 15:40 »I can see why folks would not want marco pantani to be inducted but i disagree
 ...like the dude would say ;D ;D Posted by: ZamanAbbaticchio« on: March 16, 2012, 15:38 » |
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