Giro d'Italia 2012

just some guy · « **on:** March 15, 2012, 13:20 »

Who else but Merckx?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/pink-admiral-the-blog-of-michele-acquarone-and-the-rcs-team/giro-ditalia-hall-of-fame-who-else-but-merckx

But how can we give a chance to all of our fans, wherever they are in the world, to relive the Cannibal’s greatest feats on Italian soil? We’re going to give them three videos, which we will publish in the coming days on www.giroditalia.it

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For some time, we have been thinking of an absorbing way to recall the most unforgettable moments from over a century of the Giro, until we eventually came up with a wonderful concept – presenting the splendid Trofeo Senza Fine to those who have never received it (the Trofeo Senza Fine has only been awarded to the winner of the Giro since 2000).

just some guy · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2012, 13:21 »

just some guy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2012, 13:24 »

So who else

Bartali

just some guy · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2012, 13:25 »

Coppi

just some guy · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2012, 13:27 »

Do you put this guy in

I say Not

just some guy · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2012, 13:33 »

What about these 2 ?

Charly Gaul Fiorenzo Magni

just some guy · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2012, 20:01 »

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11380/Eddy-Merckx-inducted-as-first-member-of-the-Giro-dItalia-Hall-of-Fame.aspx

benotti69 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2012, 21:53 »

Quote from: just some guy on March 15, 2012, 13:24

So who else

Bartali

My LBS is Toto Bevilaqua who was one of Bartali's super domestiques. 8) Both Toto's sons rode in the peloton for Italian teams.

Maxiton · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2012, 03:24 »

Wonderful post, jsg.

Applause!

Agree on Pantani.

Capt_Cavman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2012, 10:31 »

Wonder if Roche will ever be forgiven enough to receive his award?

On that subject, I think the most noteworthy winners are those that broke the Italian domination, e.g. Hinault, Anquetil, Hampsten etc

ZamanAbbaticchio · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2012, 15:37 »

ZamanAbbaticchio · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2012, 15:37 »

Nice to see ernesto as well

ZamanAbbaticchio · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2012, 15:38 »

ZamanAbbaticchio · « **Reply #13 on:** March 16, 2012, 15:40 »

I can see why folks would not want marco pantani to be inducted but i disagree

...like the dude would say

;D ;D

Libertine Seguros · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2012, 18:59 »

Both of these guys, please.

flicker2.0 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 16, 2012, 19:39 »

Is the green jersey Fuente? I read somewhere he was a rider who would make JP blush.
Did he not die at 50? A DS after retirement.Very dodgy.

Eshnar · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2012, 19:42 »

Quote from: just some guy on March 15, 2012, 13:27

Do you put this guy in

I say Not

Maybe it's a dumb question but... why not?

just some guy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2012, 19:44 »

Due to his massive gains from the sport institute

but then it could be argued that others may have had the same -

Libertine Seguros · « **Reply #18 on:** March 16, 2012, 19:54 »

Quote from: flicker2.0 on March 16, 2012, 19:39

Is the green jersey Fuente? I read somewhere he was a rider who would make JP blush.
Did he not die at 50? A DS after retirement.Very dodgy.

Yup, José Manuel Fuente. One of the greatest climbers of all time, and a man who could make Merckx sweat in the mountains. His heyday was short; he was only a pro for six or seven years and was forced to retire at 30 due to kidney disease, which he had on and off through his entire adult life and which eventually caused his death. Though he was a DS later on, it is unfair to start implying him in shady goings on given that he was only a DS for one year (1988 at Clas), and the rest of his time between retirement and death was spent on his bike business.

He was an all time great, and because of his short heyday is really sadly underrated in the pantheon of cycling legends.

flicker2.0 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2012, 20:01 »

Did Fuente ever battle it out with Ocana, or Van Impe, they were all so epic climbers.
I read that in that Satars and Water carriers film about Fuente Giro against Merckx, Fuente lost due to a tactical blunder

Libertine Seguros · « **Reply #20 on:** March 16, 2012, 20:33 »

Fuente and Ocaña had some epic battles. The '74 Vuelta, where Fuente and Lasa tagged off against Agostinho and Ocaña, all finishing inside 2 minutes of each other, was classic, the closest finish in Vuelta history I think (11" between Fuente in 1st and Agostinho in 2nd). The last day was a two-part stage, a medium-mountain short stage from Eibar to San Sebastián and then a 35km ITT around the Gipuzkoan city. During the morning stage, Ocaña, who was only a few minutes down and a much better time triallist than Fuente, attacked, and the two fought tooth and nail, actually colliding and taking each other out, eventually losing a bit of time to Agostinho's group. Fuente was injured and cut open, and took to the afternoon ITT with 2'25" to play with over Agostinho and a torn and bloody jersey. He lost 2'14".

Your memory serves you correctly with the Giro too - he lost the 1974 Giro by 3 minutes despite giving up more than 9 after not eating on a flat stage into Sanremo at the end of week 2. He won 5 stages, and spent several days in week 3 in multiple mountain solo attacks to try to win that time back.

Eshnar · « **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2012, 20:42 »

Quote from: just some guy on March 16, 2012, 19:44

Due to his massive gains from the sport institute

but then it could be argued that others may have had the same -

I was about to say that indeed :

Personally I don't mind if he gets in. Never been a fan of his, but I feel if Merckx is in, then he can too.

flicker2.0 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 16, 2012, 20:47 »

I can't really hold it against Fuente not eating in the San Remo"resting stage." When I watch the Stars and Water carriers film, racing against guys like Battaglin, Giomondi, (Ritter?) Merckx, etc. as a leader it would upset ones stomach. would be so, so intimidating,
Battaglin and Giomondi were and are so classy.

Maxiton · « **Reply #23 on:** March 19, 2012, 19:01 »

The Hitch · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2012, 20:10 »

Of course Pantani belongs here.

Even last year, 8 years after he last rode the Giro, it was a big thing that the race was going into Cessena because that was Pantani's home region and even though it was miles from his home town, there were still loads of Il Pirata fans to greet the race.

His name is still written on the mountains. He transcended the sport. Ferrari asked him to appear at their new car launch. Maradona cried when he heard Pantani had died.
His name is still sung at football stadiums.

And his cycling, maddonne, the stuff of legend. Attacking whenever the road went up. Putting a show on for the fans whether it brings in the win or it doesnt. Putting 9 minutes into an opponent. Thats why he was loved even before he won the Giro.

The entirety of the last decade has been spent searching for Pantani his style and his star.

Pantani, like Coppi represents Romanticsm in cycling.

The idea that cyclists can win by racing beautifully.

The idea that a cyclist can make it. That this thing of ours is not doomed to a 30 second bulletin in July but that one of ours can become king.

And whats more, do it, not just by being an English speaking rider to win the Tour, but by do it through style, through personality and through winning the Giro as well as the Tour.

Pantani is to the Giro what Bolivar is to the Colombians and Venezuelans, what Zapata is to the Mexicans, what Washington is to the yanks, what Churchill is to the Brits.

Sure if you dig deep enough, as with all heroes, you find there is an unpleasant side to it all too, and like so many heroes he had his troubles and he died young.

But what matters is that he led us to victory, he gave us the memories and he showed us that once in a while, we can win.

Capt_Cavman · « **Reply #25 on:** March 21, 2012, 20:56 »

Quote from: The Hitch on March 21, 2012, 20:10

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The idea that a cyclist can make it. That this thing of ours is not doomed to a 30 second bulletin in July but that one of ours can become king.

And whats more, do it, not just by being an English speaking rider to win the Tour, but by do it through style, through personality and through winning the Giro as well as the Tour.

Pantani is to the Giro what Bolivar is to the Colombians and Venezuelans, what Zapata is to the Mexicans, what Washington is to the yanks, what Churchill is to the Brits.

Sure if you dig deep enough, as with all heroes, you find there is an unpleasant side to it all too, and like so many heroes he had his troubles and he died young.

But what matters is that he led us to victory, he gave us the memories and he showed us that once in a while, we can win.

We all know what opinions are like, and on this topic mine differs to yours.

He couldn't make it. He is evidence that we can't win unless we betray ourselves and our passion.

He won the Giro by a minute and a half. In the final ITT he came an amazing third, taking time out of Tonkov. In the previous ITT Tonkov had taken 2 minutes out of Pantani.

Pantani didn't win his GTs just through an ability to climb like a Spitfire, he won them through a sudden ability to TT like a Panzerwagen.

I pretty much stopped following cycling from 1998 to 2005 because I found Pantani's TTing performances too ridiculous to take seriously. And that was just a foretaste.

just some guy · « **Reply #26 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:38 »

Slight change

Cipo is one year older

A video of the best sprinters of the Giro released by RCS

flicker2.0 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 29, 2012, 04:33 »

Quote from: The Hitch on March 21, 2012, 20:10

Of course Pantani belongs here.

Even last year, 8 years after he last rode the Giro, it was a big thing that the race was going into Cessena because that was Pantani's home region and even though it was miles from his home town, there were still loads of Il Pirata fans to greet the race.

His name is still written on the mountains. He transcended the sport. Ferrari asked him to appear at their new car launch. Maradona cried when he heard Pantani had died.
His name is still sung at football stadiums.

And his cycling, maddonne, the stuff of legend. Attacking whenever the road went up. Putting a show on for the fans whether it brings in the win or it doesnt. Putting 9 minutes into an opponent. Thats why he was loved even before he won the Giro.

The entirety of the last decade has been spent searching for Pantani his style and his star.

Pantani, like Coppi represents Romanticsm in cycling.

The idea that cyclists can win by racing beautifully.

The idea that a cyclist can make it. That this thing of ours is not doomed to a 30 second bulletin in July but that one of ours can become king.

And whats more, do it, not just by being an English speaking rider to win the Tour, but by do it through style, through personality and through winning the Giro as well as the Tour.

Pantani is to the Giro what Bolivar is to the Colombians and Venezuelans, what Zapata is to the Mexicans, what Washington is to the yanks, what Churchill is to the Brits.

Sure if you dig deep enough, as with all heroes, you find there is an unpleasant side to it all too, and like so many heroes he had his troubles and he died young.

But what matters is that he led us to victory, he gave us the memories and he showed us that once in a while, we can win.

I wasn't following Pantani during his career, only at the tail end, which was quite tragic. I find his preformances preposterous. I watch them on u tube and they are extremely fictional.

BYOP · « **Reply #28 on:** March 29, 2012, 11:21 »

Nope they actually happened.

flicker2.0 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 29, 2012, 16:13 »

Not to say Pantani was not one of the all time greats. He was.
I liked this guy (Mayo) quite a bit better. He has a sense of humour.
Unfortunately he was probably asked to retire. Iban Mayo.

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