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Title: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Dim on August 13, 2012, 21:33
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345530411/ (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345530411/)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/416qNS2ZTUL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

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The Secret Race is a definitive look at the world of professional cycling—and the doping issue surrounding this sport and its most iconic rider, Lance Armstrong—by former Olympic gold medalist Tyler Hamilton and New York Times bestselling author Daniel Coyle.
 
 Over the course of two years, Coyle conducted more than two hundred hours of interviews with Hamilton and spoke candidly with numerous teammates, rivals, and friends. The result is an explosive book that takes us, for the first time, deep inside a shadowy, fascinating, and surreal world of unscrupulous doctors, anything-goes team directors, and athletes so relentlessly driven to succeed that they would do anything—and take any risk, physical, mental, or moral—to gain the edge they need to win.
 
 Tyler Hamilton was once one of the world’s best-liked and top-ranked cyclists—a fierce competitor renowned among his peers for his uncanny endurance and epic tolerance for pain. In the 2003 Tour de France, he finished fourth despite breaking his collarbone in the early stages—and grinding eleven of his teeth down to the nerves along the way. He started his career with the U.S. Postal Service team in the 1990s and quickly rose to become Lance Armstrong’s most trusted lieutenant, and a member of his inner circle. For the first three of Armstrong’s record seven Tour de France victories, Hamilton was by Armstrong’s side, clearing his way. But just weeks after Hamilton reached his own personal pinnacle—winning the gold medal at the 2004 Olympics—his career came to a sudden, ignominious end: He was found guilty of doping and exiled from the sport.
 
 From the exhilaration of his early, naïve days in the peloton, Hamilton chronicles his ascent to the uppermost reaches of this unforgiving sport. In the mid-1990s, the advent of a powerful new blood-boosting drug called EPO reshaped the world of cycling, and a relentless, win-at-any-cost ethos took root. Its psychological toll would drive many of the sport’s top performers to substance abuse, depression, even suicide. For the first time ever, Hamilton recounts his own battle with clinical depression, speaks frankly about the agonizing choices that go along with the decision to compete at a world-class level, and tells the story of his complicated relationship with Lance Armstrong.
 
 A journey into the heart of a never-before-seen world, The Secret Race is a riveting, courageous act of witness from a man who is as determined to reveal the hard truth about his sport as he once was to win the Tour de France.

Wowserz
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: flicker2.0 on August 13, 2012, 21:55
From the exhilaration of his early, naïve days in the peloton, Hamilton chronicles his ascent to the uppermost reaches of this unforgiving sport. In the mid-1990s, the advent of a powerful new blood-boosting drug called EPO reshaped the world of cycling, and a relentless, win-at-any-cost ethos took root. Its psychological toll would drive many of the sport’s top performers to substance abuse, depression, even suicide. For the first time ever, Hamilton recounts his own battle with clinical depression, speaks frankly about the agonizing choices that go along with the decision to compete at a world-class level, and tells the story of his complicated relationship with Lance Armstrong.
(From tylers and coyles book.)

It will probably be an interesting read. The stuff about depression and substance abuse, and suicide, seems pretty standard for cyclists, with or without Peds. It would be an interesting comparison to compare depression among cyclists during Ocanas' era and during Tylers' era.
I bet no difference, just much more effective and complex doping schedules.
Since I am a fan I won't read Tylers' book, as I love cycling, and do not want to be swayed into a negative opinion of cycling.

 
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Dim on August 13, 2012, 22:00
Worth noting, its being released on Armstrongs birthday :D
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: AG on August 14, 2012, 00:42
well, we were expecting a book.    ::)

should be an interesting read.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: ram on August 14, 2012, 02:38
Guess it'll all be a publicity stunt if Riis and CSC get a free pass. And I hope this isn't a martyrdom book, cos I'd look to start piracy it if it is ;D
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on August 14, 2012, 06:31
Am looking forward to this one.  8)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on August 14, 2012, 08:58
not available UK amazon yet  :'(
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on August 14, 2012, 11:58
You can order it from amazon.com.

I know costs more and takes ages
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: flicker2.0 on August 14, 2012, 16:45
Book review. Of course being of the opinion that Ivy league college graduates, North Eastern US bluebloods such as himself should have written the book alone, putting the bike down, this review of Tylers' book gave me a chuckle, and insight to Tylers' motives. I wonder if Tyler further rubs salt into Armstrongs' wounds by mentioning that Sheryl Crows children are named Levi, and Tyler?
Funny review and true, as far as anything Tyler has said from day 1, connect the dots......
Contains profanity.

http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2012/08/13/book-review-my-penis-by-tyler-hamilton/ (http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2012/08/13/book-review-my-penis-by-tyler-hamilton/)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Dim on August 29, 2012, 12:23
available in the uk now
http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/35438577/0/The-Secret-Race/ListingDetails.html (http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/35438577/0/The-Secret-Race/ListingDetails.html)

release date has been brought forward to the 5th in the US.. expecting it to be the 7th in the uk.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Havetts on August 29, 2012, 12:28
Yea to Pat McQuaids birthday :D
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on August 29, 2012, 12:36
available in the uk now
http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/35438577/0/The-Secret-Race/ListingDetails.html (http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/35438577/0/The-Secret-Race/ListingDetails.html)

says 20th for release although RR Is rumouring that release been brought forward to september 5th

15 pounds cheaper from Amazon uk - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Race-Inside-Cover-ups-Winning/dp/0593071735/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1346240102&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Race-Inside-Cover-ups-Winning/dp/0593071735/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1346240102&sr=1-1)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: flicker2.0 on August 31, 2012, 06:35
Hamilton was a known Fuentes client because his Boulder address was on Fuentes paperwork, that's how they matched it to his code (I think he was just #18, no nickname). At one point a doping schedule was made public that matched Tyler's racing schedule. A fax was also uncovered that was sent to his wife at a hotel they were staying at. There was speculation that his now ex-wife was involved in the logistics of his doping program, I wonder if he addresses that in the book.

Thanks Epicycle from the CN clinic.

Kind of my personal issue with Tyler. Plus his insight while riding the tour on velonews, his worrying about the well being of his dog during the tour, etc.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on August 31, 2012, 07:56
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hamilton-says-armstrong-gave-him-epo-before-1999-tour-de-france (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hamilton-says-armstrong-gave-him-epo-before-1999-tour-de-france)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on August 31, 2012, 08:26
Just ordered mine

should be delivered last few days of this month  :win
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on August 31, 2012, 10:22
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Hamilton also writes that after he left the USPS team to join another squad, his team director, Bjarne Riis, introduced him to Madrid doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, who Hamilton says oversaw his blood doping for several years. Hamilton testified in 2011 before a federal grand jury investigating Armstrong's teams, and later gave an interview to "60 Minutes" in which he confessed to doping and corroborated accusations that another Armstrong teammate, Floyd Landis, had leveled against Armstrong.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/tyler-hamilton-book-secret-race-details-relationship-lance-armstrong-acuses-doping-article-1.1148508#ixzz2578Fdyfq (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/tyler-hamilton-book-secret-race-details-relationship-lance-armstrong-acuses-doping-article-1.1148508#ixzz2578Fdyfq)



Bang this is going to cause waves

Riis had better man up

option 1 - take Tyler to court

option 2 - admit that he did as Tyler says

there is a 3rd option - say nothing which is the same as option 2 in my books
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: benotti69 on August 31, 2012, 10:40


Bang this is going to cause waves

Riis had better man up

option 1 - take Tyler to court

option 2 - admit that he did as Tyler says

there is a 3rd option - say nothing which is the same as option 2 in my books

The Danish Federation better grow some balls and ban Riis, preferably lifetime. After their recent debacle now they can make amends and do cycling a favour.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Jamsque on August 31, 2012, 10:47
Riis' own book just came out, I bet it glosses over that incident
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on August 31, 2012, 10:52
Riis' own book just came out, I bet it glosses over that incident

I have not read it but have heard there is not much in the way of peds that we did not already know
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on August 31, 2012, 12:50
Riis went Denial and then no comment  :win

I do not know fuentas ............ It did not happen ....... I will make no further comment
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: pedaling squares on September 03, 2012, 23:50
Funny how Riis gets a free pass when there is more evidence against him than against Rasmussen. Of course he can't admit to Hamilton's accusations, it would basically sewer every one of his current and future star riders, and if he thought it was hard to get sponsors before...

(ok, maybe Tinkoff wouldn't care)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 04, 2012, 13:29
Riis went Denial and then no comment  :win

I do not know fuentas ............ It did not happen ....... I will make no further comment

Arvesen and Sastra

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arvesen-understands-riis-and-csc-doubts (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arvesen-understands-riis-and-csc-doubts)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: flicker2.0 on September 05, 2012, 04:28
It is interesting, that individuals like Cadel(Ferrari) Schleck(puerto) Riis(manager of Contador) and I would guess others like Julich(CSC,Lances assistants) are being mentioned now. I would think anyone associated with Astana, Now going back to its inception, would be in the hot seat. Sastre, just blows thing off, the guy Pereiro, who took Floyds' win was as dirty as the rest of the lot. Contador did n't just have a little bad beefsteak, he was eating the same steaks back with Vinos Liberty team, Discovery, back to Astana(same morals as Liberty, etc.
Even though I knew the score, and even called out guys from the 80s and 70s, the chickens have come to roost.
Lay it on me Tyler baby, burn it down, burn it all the way to hell, pull no punches, and I an Armstrong lover will clue you in on anything you need help with. Shoulda let it go though, because in 2 years it will be the same doping story.
Great entertainment, as Armstrong thumbs his nose, livin large, and the same needles, find the same tummy fat.....
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 06, 2012, 09:44
Race Radios book review

http://inrng.com/2012/09/book-review-secret-race/ (http://inrng.com/2012/09/book-review-secret-race/)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 06, 2012, 10:11
(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/09/000_PAR2003071934895-e1346881637844-748x416.jpg)

Velonews

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/exclusive-qa-with-secret-race-authors_237632 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/exclusive-qa-with-secret-race-authors_237632)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: L'arri on September 06, 2012, 10:21
Armstrong: "Writing a book today about events that allegedly took place more than 10 years ago is not about setting the record straight or righting a wrong. It is greedy, opportunistic and self-serving"

That would pretty much render any memoir about a difficult or contentious period "greedy, opportunistic and self-serving".

(http://www.autobiography.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/autobiography_charles_darwin_book.jpg)

"Greedy, opportunistic and self-serving"

(http://www.richardgraves.org/html/images/goodbyecova.jpg)

"Greedy, opportunistic and self-serving"

(http://a1.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Publication/c1/5b/bc/mzi.gwijofgu.225x225-75.jpg)

"Greedy, opportunistic and self-serving"

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WLPjo0bZmKw/TfrkiIeO07I/AAAAAAAAACY/rCWmCBG5_8w/s1600/001a5496.jpg)

"Greedy, opportunistic and self-serving"
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 06, 2012, 10:38
I thought Lance was talking about the words for his own Tombstone 

(http://i47.tinypic.com/igj0iu.jpg)

 ::) :D
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 06, 2012, 12:04
Apparently Andy Rhis gets off in the book as well - ie they never talked Doping
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 06, 2012, 15:19
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/The-Unlevel-Playing-Field.html?page=1 (http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/The-Unlevel-Playing-Field.html?page=1)

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THE UNLEVEL PLAYING FIELD
With the release of his new tell-all about the doping culture of professional cycling, The Secret Race, Tyler Hamilton has been blamed for cashing in on the celebrity of one-time teammate and brother-like figure Lance Armstrong. But what he's really saying—to Armstrong and everyone else—is this: Come clean with me. You'll feel better, and it's not too late.

By: BILL GIFFORD
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: froome19 on September 06, 2012, 19:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plW9_jXmI8&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plW9_jXmI8&feature=youtu.be)
Brief interview with Tyler on coming out and a hint of what he talks about in the book.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 10, 2012, 08:46
Friday, September 14, 2012

My Book will be in my hands  :win
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 10, 2012, 09:17
I finished Tyler's book over the weekend. I plowed through it, and took notes along the way (I hate when books don't have an index) but I may go back and re-read the entire thing because there is just so much detail.  :o

What struck me right away was just how similar Floyd's account was to Tyler's. You could practically interchange the two them at random and it would hardly change the overall picture. They way they both easily slipped into Lance's inner circle and enjoyed the benefits of that; how they both ended up becoming a threat to Lance due to their own improvements;  to then leaving the fold and suffering the wrath of LA because of it. And then there's the almost identical run-in with Armstrong that included a very heated verbal exchange, on the road, during one of the Tour stages. Two different guys, from different years, with the same story to tell. That's now at least two riders who told Lance to go F*** himself right in the middle of the TDF. Shame it's such a small number though.  :)

Two different guys, at two different times, describing such similar events, such similar interactions with Lance, and with nearly the exact same delivery—calm rational and matter-of-fact. To me, it only supports both of them, as the truth has a way of revealing itself when retold from different yet similar perspectives.

I found the book to be less of a great read and more of a great reference. But I suppose that's due to the fact that there are just so many...facts that there really isn't all that much room left for a colorful narrative. There is some, but the facts alone are more than enough to fill the pages.

I don't want this to be a spoiler, because I encourage people to purchase and read the book, but a couple of things are worthy of discussion here.

From Page 164
I was quite surprised to learn that Cecchini was strictly anti-doping and discouraged Tyler from going down that path. "He constantly warned me about Fuentes."
Equally surprising (if not downright bewildering) is that Tyler states that, "though we worked  closely together for years, Cecco [Tyler's nickname for him] never charged me a dime."
(It is speculated in the footnotes that this was due to previous police raids and charges (which were later dropped) but it still begs the question of why he was so generous with his time then.)

From Page 102
I was also surprised to learn just how effective a seemingly small amount of doping could be in the early years [1999-2000]. (But obviously, over time, the process became more sophisticated and involved.)

“No big menu of drugs, just [EPO] and testosterone (Andriol). One red egg of Andriol every week or two during training was usually enough.”

Add to that a  shot of EPO every second or third day, usually 2,000 units (about the volume of a pencil eraser), and that was it!

From Page 105
Tyler does also state though that it was possible win "clean" during that same era for shorter races, claiming that he won both TTs and 4-day races on "bread & water" with a hematocrit of 42. Beyond one-week races though, PEDs just offered too much of an advantage to the doped rider.

Speaking of doped riders...
From Page 87
"Lance, Kevin (Livingston) and I would be the only team members to get EPO during the race [1999 TdF]. We kept it secret but the other guys knew something was up."

Those "other guys" would then be:
Frankie Andreu, Jonathan Vaughters, George Hincapie, Christian Vande Velde, Peter Meinert-Nielsen and Pascal Deramé.

This isn't to suggest that the other Postal riders were neccessarily "clean," but rather that just for the '99 Tour, they didn't receive EPO during the race. As a matter of fact, Tyler claims that just prior to the race, "several of our hematocrits were dangerously close to surpassing the 50 percent limit."
So there's that.   ::)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 10, 2012, 15:03
on OZ tv

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-10/former-lance-armstrong-teammate-describes-doping/4253740 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-10/former-lance-armstrong-teammate-describes-doping/4253740)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 10, 2012, 17:12
on OZ tv

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-10/former-lance-armstrong-teammate-describes-doping/4253740 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-10/former-lance-armstrong-teammate-describes-doping/4253740)
That was a great interview. She did what so few tv journos seem to be capable of: She asks a question, and then let's the person answer in full, without interruption. It's a lost art these days. I'm also encouraged by the fact that didn't regurgitate LA's "500 tests" bs, but rather simply referred to it as "scores" of drug tests.

For Tyler's sake, I hope he does more of these and gets better at it each time. He seemed like he was squirming a little for the first half of that, as he is clearly still very uncomfortable talking openly about the topic. Yet half-way through he seems to relax quite a bit. Plus, I would imagine that those long-distance satellite interviews are difficult enough anyway, regardless of the topic.

Some good editing too. Nice shot of Tyler and Lance embracing, and then classic footage of Lance riding hand-in-hand with Jan, and then getting props from Vino.
Multiple layers of messaging there.  ;)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: flicker2.0 on September 11, 2012, 20:21
Friday, September 14, 2012

My Book will be in my hands  :win

Des Tyler mention if he or any other riders with his teams Tinkoff and Rock Racing were doping.
He did ride with Mancebo and Botero and another Latin rider who were notorious TdF dopers and also he rode with Bahati Clinger, etc. etc.
Plus Tinkoff was a notorious dirty team up there with Polti and Kelme.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 12, 2012, 19:13
http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2012/09/11/daniel-coyle-interview-on-writing-the-secret-race-tyler-hamilton-and-lance-armstrongs-legacy/ (http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2012/09/11/daniel-coyle-interview-on-writing-the-secret-race-tyler-hamilton-and-lance-armstrongs-legacy/)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 13, 2012, 03:26
http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2012/09/11/daniel-coyle-interview-on-writing-the-secret-race-tyler-hamilton-and-lance-armstrongs-legacy/ (http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2012/09/11/daniel-coyle-interview-on-writing-the-secret-race-tyler-hamilton-and-lance-armstrongs-legacy/)
That interview raises a few questions I've had since reading the book. Coyle mentions a few stories they couldn't use due to conflicting accounts with other witnesses, and that, "as a result we had to lose some pretty interesting stories. Maybe those will come out someday; I don’t know." So there's still a lot more to be told, it would seem. I remember what Paul Kimmage said after spending time with Team Garmin during their first season. He said that the ex-Postal riders told him stories about Lance that "shocked" him. Now think about that for a moment! What would it take to shock PAUL KIMMAGE!?!? But Kimmage does not reveal what those things were (most likely to protect those sources). There's a tremendous amount of info in Tyler's book that I found surprising, but truly shocking to someone like Kimmage? I have to wonder what hasn't been shared yet.

The other thing I wonder about, is that Hamilton gave an interview to Velonews in 2008, during the comeback phase of his career, where he mentioned a "mafia" in cycling and how some people had done some bad things to him.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2008/10/news/road/in-an-interview-with-neal-rogers-tyler-hamilton-talks-about-redemption-the-cycling-mafia-and-life-on-rock-racing_84106 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2008/10/news/road/in-an-interview-with-neal-rogers-tyler-hamilton-talks-about-redemption-the-cycling-mafia-and-life-on-rock-racing_84106)

It was also the first time (that I know of) that he mentioned the possibility of writing a book about it one day. But he never once used the term "mafia" in the book, and besides the account of Lance actually reporting Tyler to the UCI (which ended up with a bizarre meeting between Tyler and Dr. Mario Zarzoli at UCI headquarters, that seemingly went nowhere) there is no real indication of what he was referring to. When I first read Tyler's accusation in Velonews, I suspected that someone had set him up when he failed the blood test. But the book seems to indicate that it was merely the result of sloppy work by Fuentes and his dementia-impaired assistant (which is also the likely explanation given for Vino's failed test, and a bad day for Ullrich at the Tour. They were all seeing Fuentes). I just think there's more damning info out there. A lot more.

One of the more disturbing things in the book is Tyler's description of his comeback attempt. While riding for Rock Racing, Tyler says, on Page 235:
"I looked like a rock-and-roller and raced mostly clean [emphasis mine], without EPO. (I did take testosterone a couple of times). Be assured: it wasn't some kind of moral stand. I'm sure that if someone had offered me EPO, I would have taken it, no questions asked."

That convinces me there's just something wrong with these guy's brains. It also begs the question: Was Tyler's winning of the 2008 U.S. National Road Race Championship fueled at all, even in the slightest bit, by testosterone? Because he only beat Garmin rider Blake Caldwell at the line by a few pixels. It was very, very, very, very close. "A photo finish gave the win to Hamilton by .002 second," Velonews reported.

(http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/aug08/USPRO08/USPRO082/2.jpg)

Any guilt about that? At all? There doesn't seem to be. Blake Caldwell's only professional wins came in two stages of the Tour of Utah. One in 2006 and one in 2008. So just how big an accomplishment might his winning the US Pro Road Race have been? It would've been immense. Was he beaten, by .002 seconds, by a doper? He'll probably be sickened to read this book.

Besides that, there's not a single mention of Michael Ball's involvement with PEDs. Perhaps there's still some legal work being done there? Who knows, but that appears like a gaping hole in the full story to me.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: flicker2.0 on September 13, 2012, 05:39
That interview raises a few questions I've had since reading the book. Coyle mentions a few stories they couldn't use due to conflicting accounts with other witnesses, and that, "as a result we had to lose some pretty interesting stories. Maybe those will come out someday; I don’t know." So there's still a lot more to be told, it would seem. I remember what Paul Kimmage said after spending time with Team Garmin during their first season. He said that the ex-Postal riders told him stories about Lance that "shocked" him. Now think about that for a moment! What would it take to shock PAUL KIMMAGE!?!? But Kimmage does not reveal what those things were (most likely to protect those sources). There's a tremendous amount of info in Tyler's book that I found surprising, but truly shocking to someone like Kimmage? I have to wonder what hasn't been shared yet.

The other thing I wonder about, is that Hamilton gave an interview to Velonews in 2008, during the comeback phase of his career, where he mentioned a "mafia" in cycling and how some people had done some bad things to him.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2008/10/news/road/in-an-interview-with-neal-rogers-tyler-hamilton-talks-about-redemption-the-cycling-mafia-and-life-on-rock-racing_84106 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2008/10/news/road/in-an-interview-with-neal-rogers-tyler-hamilton-talks-about-redemption-the-cycling-mafia-and-life-on-rock-racing_84106)

It was also the first time (that I know of) that he mentioned the possibility of writing a book about it one day. But he never once used the term "mafia" in the book, and besides the account of Lance actually reporting Tyler to the UCI (which ended up with a bizarre meeting between Tyler and Dr. Mario Zarzoli at UCI headquarters, that seemingly went nowhere) there is no real indication of what he was referring to. When I first read Tyler's accusation in Velonews, I suspected that someone had set him up when he failed the blood test. But the book seems to indicate that it was merely the result of sloppy work by Fuentes and his dementia-impaired assistant (which is also the likely explanation given for Vino's failed test, and a bad day for Ullrich at the Tour. They were all seeing Fuentes). I just think there's more damning info out there. A lot more.

One of the more disturbing things in the book is Tyler's description of his comeback attempt. While riding for Rock Racing, Tyler says, on Page 235:
"I looked like a rock-and-roller and raced mostly clean [emphasis mine], without EPO. (I did take testosterone a couple of times). Be assured: it wasn't some kind of moral stand. I'm sure that if someone had offered me EPO, I would have taken it, no questions asked."

That convinces me there's just something wrong with these guy's brains. It also begs the question: Was Tyler's winning of the 2008 U.S. National Road Race Championship fueled at all, even in the slightest bit, by testosterone? Because he only beat Garmin rider Blake Caldwell at the line by a few pixels. It was very, very, very, very close. "A photo finish gave the win to Hamilton by .002 second," Velonews reported.

(http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/aug08/USPRO08/USPRO082/2.jpg)

Any guilt about that? At all? There doesn't seem to be. Blake Caldwell's only professional wins came in two stages of the Tour of Utah. One in 2006 and one in 2008. So just how big an accomplishment might his winning the US Pro Road Race have been? It would've been immense. Was he beaten, by .002 seconds, by a doper? He'll probably be sickened to read this book.

Besides that, there's not a single mention of Michael Ball's involvement with PEDs. Perhaps there's still some legal work being done there? Who knows, but that appears like a gaping hole in the full story to me.

This is one issue I have with Chimeras' hermano. I went to the IMAX at the Tech museum in San Jose and saw a short film about how the brain can drive the body to incredible accomplishments. It followed a TdF rider, French on a French team.
Positively the greatest footage of cycling over the Pyrenees, incredibly spectacular, really better than being there, shot on the special IMAX film. I read later that it was filmed with Tyler, and the footage had to be scrubbed, when he was positive for the PEDs at the Olympics, and then again at the Vuelta.
Tyler really really disappointed me. I was really happy when he took the nationals after his ban. After his 3rd positive (that I know about) I felt he was abusing the fans, and his fellow riders.
If going on 60 minutes, and writing a book condeming His fellow team mates managers, other riders makes him feel peace, well personally it does not sit well with me.
If he returns any winning he stole, by cheating other riders who were racing clean, I would be impressed.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: ram on September 13, 2012, 10:27
Watching Hardtalk was a clear reason as to why his words shan't be taken as gospel but always with a touch of salt. On the whole, he did okay, and remained composed despite a clearly disappointed Beeb (see Extra time 2004 and his lying to them then) and a lagging radio link between the two.

One statement in particular by him was proper dodgy and stupid. I lied then as it would cost scores of jobs. That there is a lie. He lied to save his arse, and save it he did till he got caught. He'll speak the truth that is necessary to turn opinion to his favour.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 14, 2012, 10:51
My book just arrived
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Martin318is on September 14, 2012, 11:20
I know its shocking but I actually walked into a thing called a bookshop today and bought it off a shelf.   :win
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 14, 2012, 11:24
I know its shocking but I actually walked into a thing called a bookshop today and bought it off a shelf.   :win

Nice looking forward to that over Summer

I would be waiting a looooooong time for the Swedish version to come out and be in bookshops then the English one comes after  :'(

Amazon FTW
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Martin318is on September 14, 2012, 11:42
Yep, being Australian doesnt always suck!
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: LukasCPH on September 14, 2012, 13:45
I know its shocking but I actually walked into a thing called a bookshop today and bought it off a shelf.   :win
What, I thought I was the only person still doing that... :P
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2012, 12:04
http://www.veloveritas.co.uk/2012/09/18/the-differences-between-the-us-and-uk-versions-of-the-secret-race/ (http://www.veloveritas.co.uk/2012/09/18/the-differences-between-the-us-and-uk-versions-of-the-secret-race/)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 24, 2012, 08:59
David Walsh Hamilton article in the times - full text

Walsh Hamilton (http://www.scribd.com/doc/106723113/Walsh-Hamilton#)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Jamsque on September 24, 2012, 23:07
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/24/tyler-hamilton-tour-de-france (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/24/tyler-hamilton-tour-de-france)

Another Hamilton interview. Haven't read it yet but early on he claims there will be more revelations in the coming weeks from other riders
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: l29205 on September 25, 2012, 00:51
I have read it and I am surprised by Tygrat's claim that everything is x30 times worse then anything published or in print.  WOW things must be coming of the hinges at the UCI/Lance camp.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on September 25, 2012, 12:30
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2012/9/24/1348498034312/Tyler-Hamilton-008.jpg)

Tyler Hamilton: 'Now the truth about doping will come out'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/24/tyler-hamilton-tour-de-france?CMP=twt_gu (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/24/tyler-hamilton-tour-de-france?CMP=twt_gu)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 25, 2012, 23:30
I have read it and I am surprised by Tygrat's claim that everything is x30 times worse then anything published or in print.  WOW things must be coming of the hinges at the UCI/Lance camp.

I thought the same. They must have TONS of information for him to make a statement like that. When Coyle and Hamilton were on the Today Show, Coyle referred to "300 pages" and "an avalanche" of evidence, and it seemed that that was only regards to the UCI/Tour de Suisse cover-up (but I could be wrong because the interviewer failed to probe that point sufficiently). If Coyle has that much info on just one incident, imagine what Travis must have in his file cabinet.  :o



I suspect it's going to be brutal when it hits the fan. David Walsh had this to say on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST (https://twitter.com/DavidWalshST)
Quote
My guess: within 10 days USADA report will drop like a bomb on UCI HQ in Aigle, Switzerland. The explosion will be heard around the world.

If UCI wished to clean up cycling they would make public every line in USADA report, let people know how bad it was, and vow 'never again.'

But UCI won't do that, it will fight on jurisdiction question and it will be left to USADA to get report out there. End of year is best bet.

USADA can't make anything public until the cases of Johan Bruyneel, Pedro Celaya and Pepi Marti are dealt with.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: GreasyMonkey on September 26, 2012, 03:16
Yep, being Australian doesnt always suck!

You mean there are still some bookshops open for business??

Thought they all were bankrupt and being flogged off...... ::)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 26, 2012, 14:24
When Coyle and Hamilton were on the Today Show, Coyle referred to "300 pages" and "an avalanche" of evidence, and it seemed that that was only regards to the UCI/Tour de Suisse cover-up (but I could be wrong because the interviewer failed to probe that point sufficiently). If Coyle has that much info on just one incident, imagine what Travis must have in his file cabinet.

OK, I just got confirmation from Dan himself that he was referring to the entire case against Armstrong with the "avalanche" remark, and not just the Tour de Suisse incident (which makes perfect sense). He said the evidence on the TdS was more like "a couple of heavy boulders."  ;)

I would imagine that for a few select individuals mentioned in the USADA report, daily life is becoming a bit like this:

(http://kingpinlifestyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Weight-of-the-World-300x290.png)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: flicker2.0 on September 26, 2012, 21:00
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2012/9/24/1348498034312/Tyler-Hamilton-008.jpg)

Tyler Hamilton: 'Now the truth about doping will come out'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/24/tyler-hamilton-tour-de-france?CMP=twt_gu (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/24/tyler-hamilton-tour-de-france?CMP=twt_gu)


Tyler is looking mightily like Harpo Marx!
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 06, 2012, 06:10
Author Dan Coyle is going to be a guest on TourChats, Sunday evening (21:00 EST)

http://tourchats.com (http://tourchats.com)

Neil Browne and the folks at TourChats have always been very accommodating to my questions. I've already got my list, but what would you like to ask Dan Coyle?
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 08, 2012, 03:54
Eh, not so much after all. Wasn't able to get a question in. And I can't even tell you how much prep I put into this!  ;D

I was hoping for a video question. Had my lighting all set; Velorooms logo on shirt was good to go... :P

There just isn't any new info at this point. For anyone that has followed the ins-and-outs of doping and the LA saga over the past ten years or so, there just isn't much left that hasn't been covered. Until the USADA report comes out, or some other startling revelation, I can't really be bothered much anymore. There are still plenty of good questions that arise from Tyler's book, but they're not really being asked. And the trolls have become beyond boring and predictable. So I can wait. Or just go to the source directly. Whatever...
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Jamsque on October 10, 2012, 16:33
This book has been nominated for the William Hill Sports Book of the Year prize in the UK, along with Victoria Pendleton's autobiography
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 21, 2012, 23:24
Tyler to appear on TourChats this evening. They go live at 9:00pm EST (approx 2.5 hours from now).

I can't imagine that's there really that much more to talk about or to say at this point, but we'll see.

I wonder which pseudonym the chat-room troll will assume tonight?  :-\
 
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Archieboy on November 27, 2012, 21:31
http://www.foyles.co.uk/news/the-secret-race-wins-william-hill-sports-book-of-the-year-2012 (http://www.foyles.co.uk/news/the-secret-race-wins-william-hill-sports-book-of-the-year-2012)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: flicker2.0 on November 28, 2012, 07:00
Just can't get enough of Tyler.

Tyler Hamilton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za3eJUizwp0#)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Archieboy on November 28, 2012, 07:21
http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/hawksbee-and-jacobs/121127/tyler-hamilton-tour-de-france-drugs-and-lance-armstrong-186269 (http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/hawksbee-and-jacobs/121127/tyler-hamilton-tour-de-france-drugs-and-lance-armstrong-186269)

Interveiw from yesterday afternoons show.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on November 29, 2012, 02:12
Maybe I'm the odd man out, but I'm not so impressed with Tyler's book winning an award.

I've said before that the book is interesting, but I didn't find it to be a great read. Floyd did the heavy lifting, and the best parts he gave away for free to Kimmage.

Much of Tyler's book had already been known. Several things were already covered by Dan Coyle himself in Armstrong's War. The USADA report provides plenty of intimate details as well, obviously. If anything, Tyler's story was a bit late in the telling.

I payed for the book and I don't regret that. But enough. His interviews are becoming pointless. I thought I read something about a possible movie being made based on his book as well? I wouldn't pay to see that. That's where I would draw the line. I can't support Tyler profiting any further off this. There are still some key elements left out of his book. But I don't care that much anymore. His cute nicknames for both the dope and the doctors was an odd deflection, I thought.

And if I was really going to nitpick, I would say that I'm surprised that a book with such a horrible cover would win any award at all.
The truly unknown, revealing parts could've been condensed into considerably fewer pages. Perhaps the award committee just hadn't been paying attention. I wonder if they even know who Mike Anderson is?

Dan Coyle did what he had to do. He needed to corroborate and verify countless aspects of Tyler's story, and assemble a time line and narrative. I admire his tenacity, especially as he never allowed his inner access to Armstrong in the past to curtail his own reasoning. But Tyler? Enough. Floyd put much more on the line and no one seems to be presenting him with any awards. Even if they did, he'd likely smash it, too, and throw the pieces in a bin next to those of his Tour trophy.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: flicker2.0 on December 03, 2012, 00:19
Maybe I'm the odd man out, but I'm not so impressed with Tyler's book winning an award.

I've said before that the book is interesting, but I didn't find it to be a great read. Floyd did the heavy lifting, and the best parts he gave away for free to Kimmage.

Much of Tyler's book had already been known. Several things were already covered by Dan Coyle himself in Armstrong's War. The USADA report provides plenty of intimate details as well, obviously. If anything, Tyler's story was a bit late in the telling.

I payed for the book and I don't regret that. But enough. His interviews are becoming pointless. I thought I read something about a possible movie being made based on his book as well? I wouldn't pay to see that. That's where I would draw the line. I can't support Tyler profiting any further off this. There are still some key elements left out of his book. But I don't care that much anymore. His cute nicknames for both the dope and the doctors was an odd deflection, I thought.

And if I was really going to nitpick, I would say that I'm surprised that a book with such a horrible cover would win any award at all.
The truly unknown, revealing parts could've been condensed into considerably fewer pages. Perhaps the award committee just hadn't been paying attention. I wonder if they even know who Mike Anderson is?

Dan Coyle did what he had to do. He needed to corroborate and verify countless aspects of Tyler's story, and assemble a time line and narrative. I admire his tenacity, especially as he never allowed his inner access to Armstrong in the past to curtail his own reasoning. But Tyler? Enough. Floyd put much more on the line and no one seems to be presenting him with any awards. Even if they did, he'd likely smash it, too, and throw the pieces in a bin next to those of his Tour trophy.

Floyd is a black sheep, Ba Ba, part of the Amish Mafia.

Tyler is a nice boy who went wrong. You have to forgive him, he's so sweet and innocent.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2012, 12:04
this wasn´t in the book

Tyler in the blood hound gang  :D

(http://i.imgur.com/1BHy1.jpg)

Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k#ws)
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 30, 2018, 11:05
I'll bump this because I couldn't find another Tyler thread.

His recent interview with Velonews is getting lots of attention and praise.
https://www.velonews.com/2018/08/news/tyler-hamilton-qa-part-1-the-unfairness-of-a-doped-peloton_476812 (https://www.velonews.com/2018/08/news/tyler-hamilton-qa-part-1-the-unfairness-of-a-doped-peloton_476812)

Personally, I find it to be lacking much substance. It is interesting that he suggests there are many secrets still hidden, but overall I found the piece to be typical Velonews: soft around the edges, and dumbed-down for the masses. The title of the article hints at more than it delivers. The notion that there wasn't a level playing field, due to the fact that GC guys had a more elaborate doping program than other riders, doesn't really provide any useful info. For one, that's nothing new. Two, the real issue is whether or not the GC guys themselves were operating within a "level playing field," which I'm pretty sure has been settled that they weren't, because individual physiology has to be factored in to one's response to doping. But whatever. The details of those things are beyond boring to me now.

Then there are his remarks about how thin riders are today. "All the guys that are racing today, I look at them and they’re working their tails off. You can just tell, they’re super, super skinny. I work with some of the athletes now, I think the secret is out! Weight is so critical and a couple of pounds can make the difference."

Wow, groundbreaking revelation that is. Truly stunning insight.  :S


For whatever reason, I've always found Tyler's interviews to be somewhat sketchy. I don't really fault him or judge him for his past, but all his interviews since coming clean tend to leave me a bit unsettled. He's not someone I'd particularly care to hang out with. I can't quite place my finger on it, but there's still something disingenuous and shallow about his delivery. I dunno.

Maybe part of the reason this Q & A left me a bit flat was the source.
VeloNews contributor Rebecca Reza worked as a social media advisor to Tyler Hamilton’s coaching business in 2017.

Yeah, that could be it.
Title: Re: Tylers Book - September 18th
Post by: LukasCPH on August 30, 2018, 22:15
Maybe part of the reason this Q & A left me a bit flat was the source.
VeloNews contributor Rebecca Reza worked as a social media advisor to Tyler Hamilton’s coaching business in 2017.

Yeah, that could be it.
Yup.
There's a clear conflict of interest, there's building a good relationship with interview partners and sources in the sport, and there's this.
Somewhere in between those two things, not really either, but probably leaning more towards the first.
Reza doesn't draw a salary from Hamilton any more ... but it does have a small Geschmäckle, as the Swabians say. An aftertaste.