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Title: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on September 07, 2012, 11:15
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Emma Pooley considers year off from racing

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/emma-pooley-considers-year-off-from-racing (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/emma-pooley-considers-year-off-from-racing)
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on September 07, 2012, 11:16
2 part interview with Pooley, first part talks about her prep for the worlds, second part about the UCI and the state of women's cycling:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9500627/Emma-Pooley-Haute-Route-from-Geneva-to-Nice-perfect-training-for-the-Worlds-and-is-a-dream-come-true-for-me.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9500627/Emma-Pooley-Haute-Route-from-Geneva-to-Nice-perfect-training-for-the-Worlds-and-is-a-dream-come-true-for-me.html)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9515276/Emma-Pooley-International-Cycling-Union-have-turned-womens-cycling-into-a-Mickey-Mouse-sport.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9515276/Emma-Pooley-International-Cycling-Union-have-turned-womens-cycling-into-a-Mickey-Mouse-sport.html)
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on September 10, 2012, 10:52
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Emma Pooley considers year off from racing

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/emma-pooley-considers-year-off-from-racing (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/emma-pooley-considers-year-off-from-racing)

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Emma has finally succumbed and is now on twitter - @PooleyEmma for those that are interested
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: L'arri on September 10, 2012, 11:20
After Ardèche they should be throwing money at Poo Poo. Hope it was just trash talk when she reckoned to take a year out: huffing about sponsors is one thing but she is in the best bit of her career now and that PhD can wait.

Bonkers how one of women's cycling's top 5 can be facing the chop two seasons running. Take note, UCI!
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on September 10, 2012, 11:22
After Ardèche they should be throwing money at Poo Poo. Hope it was just trash talk when she reckoned to take a year out: huffing about sponsors is one thing but she is in the best bit of her career now and that PhD can wait.

Bonkers how one of women's cycling's top 5 can be facing the chop two seasons running. Take note, UCI!

Agreed - But I think the rainbows may change things  O0

Vos to be Fav again

Pooley  :win   ;)

Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Havetts on September 10, 2012, 19:51
Eventhough I "gotta" cheer for Vos & Van Vleuten it wouldnt be bad if Emma would win it, surely she wont quit for a year then? :o
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on September 17, 2012, 19:44
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19618928 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19618928)

Pooley and Sharon Laws talking about their third place in the TTT.  Love this quote from Pooley:
Quote
"Probably won't win, but at least it'll be fun, & if it's sunny like this, it'll be a lovely day"

Much as Vos deserves to win the RR, I kind of Pooley does the double (unlikely perhaps, but you never know!). 
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 04, 2012, 11:50
 :win :fanfare :daotec  :win   http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13214/Emma-Pooley-signs-for-Bigla-as-Swiss-team-looks-to-grow-in-2013.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13214/Emma-Pooley-signs-for-Bigla-as-Swiss-team-looks-to-grow-in-2013.aspx)  :win :fanfare :daotec  :win

Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Dim on November 04, 2012, 13:06
Just looking at what this means for Emma race wise

20.02.2013 24.02.2013 Women's Tour of New Zealand NZL 2.2
    21.02.2013   24.02.2013   Vuelta Internacional Femenina a Costa Rica   CRC   2.2         
   23.02.2013   23.02.2013   Omloop Het Nieuwsblad-vrouwen elite / Circuit Het Nieuwsblad-Femmes Elite   BEL   1.2         
   27.02.2013   27.02.2013   Le Samyn des Dames   BEL   1.2         
   27.02.2013   27.02.2013   Grand Prix San Miguel   ESA   1.2                 
   03.03.2013   03.03.2013   Omloop van het Hageland - Tielt-Winge   BEL   1.2         
   07.03.2013   07.03.2013   Drentse 8   NED   1.2                      
   10.03.2013   10.03.2013   Novilon Euregio Cup.   NED   1.2                 
   16.03.2013   16.03.2013   Classica Citta di Padova   ITA   1.2                 
   17.03.2013   17.03.2013   Cholet Pays de Loire Dames   FRA   1.2                
   01.04.2013   01.04.2013   Grand Prix de Dottignies   BEL   1.2         
   03.04.2013   07.04.2013   Energiewacht Tour   NED   2.2         
   08.04.2013   10.04.2013   The Princess Maha Chackri Sirindhon's Cup "Women's Tour of Thailand 2013"   THA   2.2          
   14.04.2013   14.04.2013   Ronde van Gelderland   NED   1.2         
   14.04.2013   14.04.2013   Halle-Buizingen   BEL   1.2                
   20.04.2013   20.04.2013   EPZ Omloop van Borsele WE   NED   1.2                
   24.04.2013   28.04.2013   Gracia Orlova   CZE   2.2         
   25.04.2013   25.04.2013   GP Liberazione   ITA   1.2                     
   04.05.2013   04.05.2013   Knokke-Heist - Bredene   BEL   1.2                 
   17.05.2013   22.05.2013   Tour Languedoc Roussillon   FRA   2.2                
   24.05.2013   24.05.2013   Parkhotel Valkenburg Hills Classic   NED   1.2         
   25.05.2013   25.05.2013   Rabobank 7-Dorpenomloop Aalburg   NED   1.2         
   26.05.2013   26.05.2013   Gooik-Geraardsbergen-Gooik   BEL   1.2         
   04.06.2013   04.06.2013   Grand Prix of Maykop   RUS   1.2          
   04.06.2013   04.06.2013   Durango-Durango Emakumeen Saria   ESP   1.2         
   05.06.2013   09.06.2013   The Exergy Tour   USA   2.HC                
   06.06.2013   09.06.2013   Tour of Adygeya   RUS   2.2          
   09.06.2013   09.06.2013   Celtic Chrono   IRL   1.2         
   13.06.2013   15.06.2013   Rabo Ster Zeeuwsche Eilanden   NED   2.2            
   16.06.2013   16.06.2013   Golan I   SYR   1.2          
   18.06.2013   18.06.2013   Golan II   SYR   1.2          
   21.06.2013   21.06.2013   Golan IIl   SYR   1.2                    
   04.07.2013   07.07.2013   Tour de Feminin - O cenu Ceského Švýcarska   CZE   2.2         
   10.07.2013   14.07.2013   Tour de Bretagne Féminin   FRA   2.2         
   14.07.2013   14.07.2013   Dwars door de Westhoek   BEL   1.2                 
   18.07.2013   21.07.2013   Tour Féminin en Limousin   FRA   2.2                
   03.08.2013   03.08.2013   Erondegemse Pijl (Erpe-Mere)BEL   1.2                
   17.08.2013   21.08.2013   Trophée d'Or Féminin   FRA   2.2                
   24.08.2013   27.08.2013   Lotto-Decca-Belgium-Tour   BEL   2.2             
   02.09.2013   07.09.2013   Tour Cycliste Féminin International de l'Ardèche   FRA   2.2                
   01.11.2013   03.11.2013   Giro Feminino de Ciclismo   BRA   2.2                
   08.11.2013   10.11.2013   Volta Feminina da República   BRA   2.2

Can still race a pretty good season, and good to see her working with young riders (and fits with her semi taking a year out).

Do leave Vos one challenger less though. :(
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on November 05, 2012, 09:20
Great Emma is riding again

It will be the Vos and Stevens show next year though
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on November 08, 2012, 10:52
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/535495/pooley-joins-bigla-team-with-eye-on-world-champs.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/535495/pooley-joins-bigla-team-with-eye-on-world-champs.html)

wants to ride 2016 in Rio  :win
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: riding too slowly on November 12, 2012, 19:02
Pooley announced with Bigla on the Sunday.  Honda dream team announced on Tuesday.  Did Pooley know that something big was brewing or was she kept in the dark ?
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on November 12, 2012, 19:08
No idea but it does seem to me the Nicole Cooke and Emma seem to be seen a difficult by the powers of English cycling

so maybe kept in the quite as much as wanting to study more ?
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: froome19 on November 12, 2012, 19:09
I would assume this was a good compromise between stepping back from the sport and continuing on..

But it is an interesting one..
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on November 12, 2012, 19:25
The reasons in Emma´s words

Emma Pooley interview part 1: “A PhD all winter isn’t going to make me ride well in the spring”

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13275/Emma-Pooley-interview-part-1-A-PhD-all-winter-isnt-going-to-make-me-ride-well-in-the-spring.aspx#ixzz2C2QD6tFZ (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13275/Emma-Pooley-interview-part-1-A-PhD-all-winter-isnt-going-to-make-me-ride-well-in-the-spring.aspx#ixzz2C2QD6tFZ)
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on November 13, 2012, 17:02
Yeah, I was sh*t, that was undeniably a sh*t race - for me,” said Pooley. “I couldn’t help it that I crashed; that wasn’t my fault, that was just a bunch crash. It didn’t help; I did get pretty bashed up in the crash, and then didn’t feel quite 100%, but I was in the right place.”

Emma Pooley interview part 2: “Why aren’t all our races on television?”


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13282/Emma-Pooley-interview-part-2-Why-arent-all-our-races-on-television.aspx#ixzz2C7h1tpnx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13282/Emma-Pooley-interview-part-2-Why-arent-all-our-races-on-television.aspx#ixzz2C7h1tpnx)
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: L'arri on May 02, 2013, 13:53
I won't deny it, I'm pretty ruddy unhappy about Pooley's current situation. She signs for a non-UCI team that depends entirely on invitations to races and she's hardly been seen this year so far.

(http://g.denik.cz/72/54/5255642-havirov-gracia-orlova-cyklistika-cyklisticky-zavod-zen_denik-1024.jpg)

I'm looking forward to the next interview with her to find out more about what's going on and whether this was the best deal she could get or whether she actually wanted to dial it back.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: riding too slowly on May 02, 2013, 21:36
I won't deny it, I'm pretty ruddy unhappy about Pooley's current situation. She signs for a non-UCI team that depends entirely on invitations to races and she's hardly been seen this year so far.

I'm looking forward to the next interview with her to find out more about what's going on and whether this was the best deal she could get or whether she actually wanted to dial it back.
I am entirely confident that she was kept fully in the loop about the formation of Team Wiggle and centering a number of the Brit Girls in that team and that the team would have full BC support and Sir Brad's name alongside it.  Based on all that information about how the team was going to shape up, like a miserable gi* she elected not to play.  Sour grapes really, a bit like that miserable Wendy Houvenhagel.  Just no pleasing some people.  That the Wiggle team was not announced until just after Emma was confirmed as being with Bigla,  just happened to be an unfortunate coincidence.  One of those things don't you know.  It was always going to be unfortunate, as they had had to keep postponing the conference until after Emma had named her team.  But there it is.  It is just one of those things.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on May 03, 2013, 09:48
I am entirely confident that she was kept fully in the loop about the formation of Team Wiggle and centering a number of the Brit Girls in that team and that the team would have full BC support and Sir Brad's name alongside it.  Based on all that information about how the team was going to shape up, like a miserable gi* she elected not to play.  Sour grapes really, a bit like that miserable Wendy Houvenhagel.  Just no pleasing some people.  That the Wiggle team was not announced until just after Emma was confirmed as being with Bigla,  just happened to be an unfortunate coincidence.  One of those things don't you know.  It was always going to be unfortunate, as they had had to keep postponing the conference until after Emma had named her team.  But there it is.  It is just one of those things.

I also wonder if BMC had anything to do with signing

if they take over the team as reported , they have a marque signing already on the books ?
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on July 29, 2014, 12:39
A bit sad but not unexpected Pooley retires from cycling to take back up triathlons and duathlons

http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/emma-pooley-keep-running
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Slow Rider on July 29, 2014, 12:49
A bit sad but not unexpected Pooley retires from cycling to take back up triathlons and duathlons

http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/emma-pooley-keep-running

Too bad, she definitely could have had a few more great years in cycling. Her climbing at the Giro showed that she is one of the very best in that field. Pooley had a good career though, she may be one of those people who needs a career change once in a while to keep things interesting.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: L'arri on July 29, 2014, 14:13
Emma Pooley to retire after Commonwealth Games (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/emma-pooley-to-retire-after-commonwealth-games)

After Pooley seemed to have finally got back up to speed in fine style, didn't see that coming ...

We are losing her to triathlon and running.

Bof.  :p
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: LukasCPH on July 29, 2014, 21:14
It's a shame for women's cycling.
Emma Pooley is a talented athlete, and at the same time not one of those that know only cycling and nothing else.

University degree, now going to swim and run - I wish her the very best.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on August 02, 2014, 10:10
It does highlight a massive problem in womens cycling, the ability for real climbers to stay at the top and get a name, sprinters and roulers has 90% of races designed for them these days.

Pooley was a real GT rider , not many in the womens peloton
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: M Gee on August 02, 2014, 12:39
Emma Pooley to retire after Commonwealth Games (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/emma-pooley-to-retire-after-commonwealth-games)

After Pooley seemed to have finally got back up to speed in fine style, didn't see that coming ...

We are losing her to triathlon and running.

Bof.  :p

I have to wonder how much this had to do with the potential for income at one as opposed to the other.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Vimto on August 02, 2014, 22:43
I totally agree with Just Some Guy.  It's such a massive grind with me.  I can almost feel a rage embolism develop when I think of the parcour available to women.  Tomorrow's World Cup race is just another variation on a hilly sprint.  Laps with a hill in the middle...just grim..

It's really no wonder that the sport is dominated by one hilly sprinter...and you really don't want to get me started on her..... :angry
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: riding too slowly on August 11, 2014, 17:03
I'm with you guys.  I feel sorry for her.  I think she is making the right move because the sport is not where it should be in so many ways. 
I think the whole Rochelle Gilmour thing with Wiggle, Brad and the track girls left Laws, Martin, Armistead, Pooley and Cooke locked out and was a signal that you had to stay on message and suck up to the guys in charge if you were going anywhere.  I think my cryptic post above was not really understood by too many.  Laws, Pooley and Cooke were deliberately blindsided by Gilmour and that Gilmour chose to announce the formation of her team straight after Pooley had committed to another spoke volumes. First it was Pooley who "wasn't Cooke" and then it was Armistead who "wasn't Pooley or Cooke".  I had the opportunity to listen to the coverage of the road race yesterday with the interviews with Trott and Gilmour.  Year Zero for Women's cycling started in 2011 and everything in the garden is coming along fine. 
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Vimto on August 11, 2014, 21:58
You're right I didn't understand your cryptic post.  I took it as it was written. If it was meant to be ironic or facetious it fell very short of the mark.  Please don't take that badly from me, I just didn't get it.  I normally enjoy reading your posts on Women's cycling and I wish you would post more.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: riding too slowly on August 12, 2014, 00:09
You're right I didn't understand your cryptic post.  I took it as it was written. If it was meant to be ironic or facetious it fell very short of the mark.  Please don't take that badly from me, I just didn't get it.  I normally enjoy reading your posts on Women's cycling and I wish you would post more.
It was a poor post, which I should have edited and put some more time into.  I just think British Cycling have trashed so much talent on the women's side. Wendy Houvenhagel is another who must have a tale to tell.

I had quite a listening day yesterday. On the Radio 4   business program in the evening they were talking to the engineers and CEO of MAT, McLaren Applied Technology and the female engineering boss was saying how BC were a very big customer of theirs.  She went on about how they did special bikes for project Rainbow that allowed Cav to become the First British World Road Champion since Tommy Simpson.  She personally did a lot of work for that project working to support Sir David, Ellingworth Cav and the rest.

  I wondered how she might feel on two counts.  One that in a couple of years, some bloke came along and designed a bike for another rider and then he controlled the press and totally wiped out her history of work and said that despite various female engineers working to design state of the art bikes on which World Road Titles are won, because they were girlies and girlies work is worthless, they weren't even given a mention instead Andy Capp's 2017 bike is touted as the first British Technologically leading machine since Harry Smith's state of the art machine in 1968.  Her work is written out of history.

Then at another level, I wonder how she would feel if she worked in an organisation funded out of the public purse that had separate male and female programs.  The male engineering program was given a budget of millions from the public purse to work with,  carbon fibre mouldmakers and oven availability oozing out of its ears.  She was given a few steel tubes and a half full set of Oxy/Acetylene bottles and told she should be blo*dy grateful she is even being allowed in the workshop.  All press stories will be about the male team and only they will have profile.  That just about models the efforts of BC at Copenhagen for the GB men and women.

Given those two I wonder quite what she might think about being a female road rider with BC as your service provider ?  I wonder would she then add the spin writing Beryl, Mandy and Nicole out of the History books quite a glibly as she did last night. 

Somehow I think she would be screaming from the roof-tops.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: 42x16ss on August 12, 2014, 05:10
I have to wonder how much this had to do with the potential for income at one as opposed to the other.

Hugely. The last two summers here in Perth, I've managed to spend a reasonable amount of time training on the bike with Pooley. To put it bluntly, she seems fed up. Despite signing with Lotto-Belisol last year, Pooley was training on a 2 year old Cervelo this summer, in full Lotto kit. At first glance she looked like a full pro kit poseur. When asked why she wasn't training on a Ridley, all you got was a resigned shrug of the shoulders. After 3 to 4 hour training rides in the hills, she wouldn't even bother stopping with the bunch for coffee/breakfast as she didn't have the money. Even the kids racing NRS weren't in that position.

In March this year, Pooley won the women's race at a smallish tri down in the Margaret River region, she said that her prizemoney was similar to placing (not winning) worlds ITT. How are you meant to sustain a solid career unless you have serious financial backing in such an environment?

Food for thought - Tiffany Cromwell won 750 euro for winning Fleche-Wallonne in 2013. Luca Paolini got over 55,000  :o
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: riding too slowly on August 12, 2014, 09:41
Good post 42 x 16.  To add a bit more colour, in the winter of 2011 - 12, prior to the home games both Pooley and Cooke were in Perth.  They had to pay for their own flights out and back , from their £18k annual subsistence grant, which would have wiped out more than 10% of it at a stroke.  Both were living like hermits, Cooke lodging on the good will of friends.  Both doing all their own bike maintenance and life management, massages as they could get them.

Then out came the BC track team for their annual camp.  Business travel all paid for, good hotel accommodation throughout.  mechanics doctors, food advisers, soigneurs,  the lot.  Sutton would not even allow Pooley and Cooke to join the BC team while the rest of them were there, as far as he and Brailsford were concerned, they had not sanctioned the trips of Pooley and Cooke and these two were doing it because they chose to do it so they could self fund their whole program.  So the lowest bottle washer of the BC track team was being funded and cared for at a level well beyond that the Road Gold medalist and TT Silver medalist were supported to.  Other riders could see the way Sutton and Brailsford held a gun to Pooley and Cooke's heads, no prgram, no resource, no help, just blocking.  It was a power kick for Sutton and Brailsford, the pair are not very nice people and certainly not good managers.  I don't think Joe public in the UK would think such discrimination was how they wanted their money spent.

UK Lottery funding dumped in front of BC,  a sack of money that was several magnitudes bigger than any other country funded comparative programs.   That is what generated success not some devastating "marginal gains" program.

That Cooke fell apart in the run up to 2012 is understandable, that Pooley was able to come back this year like she has done and sign off on a fair high, is great.  That it has taken her so long before she walked away is a great surprise.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Slow Rider on August 12, 2014, 12:34
It's sad to hear these stories on how even some of the bigger athletes in the sport are really struggling to make ends meet. The differences between men's and women's prize money and funding is ridiculous. For the men, it's never an issue: all the big riders get paid plenty and prize money is tiny compared to normal wages and sponsor deals. But for the women, even the fraction of prize money men get is huge for them.

It's really something the UCI should be getting much more involved in, but it's a really difficult situation. You want the riders to have a good minimum wage and to be rewarded for winning races. But on the other hand, you don't want to ask too much and drive sponsors or race organisers away from the sport.

What's troubling me is that even Lotto-Belisol which with its links to the men's team and a stable sponsor is paying its riders that badly. Makes me wonder what life would be like on a team like, say, Cipollini - nevermind the teams a level below that.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: riding too slowly on August 12, 2014, 21:32
I had a think about what I wrote and your reply SR.  It really is an unacceptable mess.  OK so coaches who are bullies and thugs are not uncommon, we can see it in Charlie Walsh in Aus and Eddi B in the USA.  Who was above Brailsford and Sutton as they enforced discipline with a couple of examples.

Cookson was the guy in charge whilst Brailsford and Sutton were handing out their treatment. I went on his twitter account.  not far down is the picture of a young &  pretty Aussie girl who rides for Bigla.   I might be wrong but I am pretty sure that Bigla still are not paying any of their riders a bean.  So this is an Aussie who is not good enough to get in the Aussie team and probably not receiving any funding related to elite performance so she will, more than likely be there because mum and dad can pay for her to be there.  So what is she doing with Cookson ?  I cannot do the link properly but the text is enough to make you vomit -

" Retweeted by Brian Cookson OBE
Jo Hogan @healthycyclist  ·  Jul 27

Today I had the pleasure of meeting the man behind the change in #womenscycling @BrianCooksonUCI. #LaCourse #Paris "

Yes, my little air-head, this is the greasy politician who headed up the road commission as the women's scene lost race after race and which refused to countenance a minimum wage for female riders but put it in place for the men.  This they guy who looked the other way as the two best female talents on his national team were crushed by his staff.  You're safe in his hands darling ! 

Just where are the journalists to expose British Cycling and the creeps at the heart of the program ?

Then to answer my own question here is another vomit inducing piece
"Tayler Wiles Is Breaking Up the Tour de France Boys Club
Six years ago, Tayler Wiles didn't own a bike. Yesterday, the 25-year-old competed at La Course, the inaugural race for women that coincided with the final day of the Tour De France. " that i was pointed out going down the Jo Hogan twitter feed. 

http://www.elle.com/life-love/society-career/tayler-wiles-tour-de-france?src=spr_TWITTER&spr_id=1448_76617752&linkId=9064673

"Inaugural".  They just love it don't they, having their pictures taken with the snake oil salesman who allowed it all to fall to bits.  Let's re-write history.  Such a convenient narrative for the English speaking press. 
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: 42x16ss on August 13, 2014, 02:16
Good post 42 x 16.  To add a bit more colour, in the winter of 2011 - 12, prior to the home games both Pooley and Cooke were in Perth.  They had to pay for their own flights out and back , from their £18k annual subsistence grant, which would have wiped out more than 10% of it at a stroke.  Both were living like hermits, Cooke lodging on the good will of friends.  Both doing all their own bike maintenance and life management, massages as they could get them.

Then out came the BC track team for their annual camp.  Business travel all paid for, good hotel accommodation throughout.  mechanics doctors, food advisers, soigneurs,  the lot.  Sutton would not even allow Pooley and Cooke to join the BC team while the rest of them were there, as far as he and Brailsford were concerned, they had not sanctioned the trips of Pooley and Cooke and these two were doing it because they chose to do it so they could self fund their whole program.  So the lowest bottle washer of the BC track team was being funded and cared for at a level well beyond that the Road Gold medalist and TT Silver medalist were supported to.  Other riders could see the way Sutton and Brailsford held a gun to Pooley and Cooke's heads, no prgram, no resource, no help, just blocking.  It was a power kick for Sutton and Brailsford, the pair are not very nice people and certainly not good managers.  I don't think Joe public in the UK would think such discrimination was how they wanted their money spent.

UK Lottery funding dumped in front of BC,  a sack of money that was several magnitudes bigger than any other country funded comparative programs.   That is what generated success not some devastating "marginal gains" program.

That Cooke fell apart in the run up to 2012 is understandable, that Pooley was able to come back this year like she has done and sign off on a fair high, is great.  That it has taken her so long before she walked away is a great surprise.

That was utterly disgusting. Cooke and Pooley were riding around town in GB kit, mixing it up on the road with the local guys and girls who were flattered to be training with them, all forced to do it on their own coin. Pooley studying her PhD in engineering at the same time.

They weren't even able to see the Team GB mechanics, they ended up relying on a local bike shop owned by a former GB track pro. AFAIK they still help Pooley out when she's here, she was doing the shop rides last summer, was friendly with the staff and one of her old WC jerseys is framed on the wall.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: riding too slowly on August 13, 2014, 10:01
How petty could Sutton and Brailsford get ?   This really is a hell of a story.  This is the same outfit that claims with marginal gains they leave no stone unturned, every aspect of preparation before the race is looked at and optimised in the run up to the 2012 London games.  However, because Sutton and Brailsford want to make a political point and make sure there is no dissent from any other rider on the program, not paid out of anything other than public donations via the lottery, these two totally block out a gold and silver medalist and freeze them out of support, for what was it - each were there for nearly 3 months ?   

Earlier, in  the summer before they held no trial events for the women when they ran them for the men. Again, BC would have been responsible for the organisation of that program.  And then look at everything that went into "Project Rainbow" or the Sky project.  These were not some "mistakes" or "overlooked items" and it was not something short term.  This was long term and systemic.  And that is what makes me want to lay the main blame at Cookson.  He can't expect to be responsible for oversight of every detail but long term discrimination like this is appalling, when it relates to public money.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Archieboy on September 08, 2015, 07:48
http://www.220triathlon.com/news/britains-emma-pooley-crowned-2015-itu-powerman-long-distance-duathlon-world-champ/10511.html

Emma P still a winner :cool
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: L'arri on September 08, 2015, 12:18
http://www.220triathlon.com/news/britains-emma-pooley-crowned-2015-itu-powerman-long-distance-duathlon-world-champ/10511.html

Emma P still a winner :cool

Yeah, but 'we' lost her. Shame because élite women's cycling has probably never been stronger than it is in 2015.

Although it is also true that there aren't exactly a lot of races for Pooley's type of rider.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Vimto on September 09, 2015, 18:33
I've just finished reading Nicole Cooke's autobiography.  Whilst I found it to be a difficult, abrasive and suprisingly joyless read, what I really noted  from it was the sheer amount of female riders who have walked away from the sport way, way before they should have.


I have very mixed feelings about what I read in the book because I don't think that Nicole Cooke (and her dad) always helped themselves, or any other female rider with how they went about things.  Equally, I just don't know how Dave Brailsford and the British Cycling Staff can think that their behaviour was justified.  Their actions seem to be utterly beyond me at times.

With regard to Emma Pooley, as far as I am concerned she is an utter badass and can do no wrong, but, I don't really think her personality suited the rigors of professional women's cycling either on or off of the bike. 

As much as I miss her not being around, I think she's better off in Duathlon/Triathlon and I continue to be a fan of hers. I am not seeing any development of more climbing type races, and as we can see from the Lotto Belgium Tour today,  the sport is continuing to spit out more and more hilly sprinter types.....UGH!




Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: L'arri on September 10, 2015, 08:39
I've just finished reading Nicole Cooke's autobiography.  Whilst I found it to be a difficult, abrasive and suprisingly joyless read, what I really noted  from it was the sheer amount of female riders who have walked away from the sport way, way before they should have.

I have very mixed feelings about what I read in the book because I don't think that Nicole Cooke (and her dad) always helped themselves, or any other female rider with how they went about things.  Equally, I just don't know how Dave Brailsford and the British Cycling Staff can think that their behaviour was justified.  Their actions seem to be utterly beyond me at times.

With regard to Emma Pooley, as far as I am concerned she is an utter badass and can do no wrong, but, I don't really think her personality suited the rigors of professional women's cycling either on or off of the bike. 

As much as I miss her not being around, I think she's better off in Duathlon/Triathlon and I continue to be a fan of hers. I am not seeing any development of more climbing type races, and as we can see from the Lotto Belgium Tour today,  the sport is continuing to spit out more and more hilly sprinter types.....UGH!

There's a lot of good in this post. I'm going to elaborate on why I personally have to cut these women a lot of slack.

Cooke and Pooley for me represent a women's cycling that has existed - I hesitate to write 'survived' - on the force of individual personalities, a Cartesian proposition along the lines of "I race therefore I am".

It made for strange racing on the bike but also for a lot of outsider politics off it. There was no infrastructure beyond the Olympic machine for the likes of Cooke and I wonder how much of that contributed to her alleged 'difficult personality'.

I'm not directly comparing myself to these athletes but I attended a pretty distinguished school as a kid and that school's tradition was to support runners, rugby players and cricketers. If one was successful at regional and national level in a 'minor' (and thus ignored) sport such as cycling, there was no provision for training, no support or interest. As a result, whenever I found myself talking to a local news journo, I refused quite indignantly to tell him or her what school I attended, even when the topic was English Schools races. I did not want any credit going to my school and I was quite bitter about it.

So in some small way, I have a bit of sympathy for Cooke and how she was almost certainly shaped by her experience out in the sporting wilderness as a road cyclist who for the most part missed out on the Sky-funded, track-blinkered BC programme. Pooley is similiar, I suppose, inasmuch as she blazed her own trail.

And what is so different, after all, between Pooley and Hugh Carthy, Dan McLay, Adam Blythe or any number of British men who went their own way? The difference, nay gaping chasm, is that there was something big(ger) for which to aim and that required them to fit into a well-established professional milieu which shaped their attitudes and demanded a particular, necessarily more inclusive approach of them.

Looking ahead, women's cycling is no less top-heavy than it always was, except that now we are treated to the same phenomenon at team level. That is to say that proper teams now exist and function as such but these weigh on the sport much like the individuals did, self-sustaining and dominant among themselves, still delivering a two-speed sport of haves and have-nots.

This dovetails into Vimto's last point: funding is one thing but without the variety of racing, it is surely inevitable that teams full of rouleurs will own the sport the way that Rabo-Liv and Boels-Dolmans do currently. Riders such as Mara Abbott or Kasia are world class but, apart from the struggle to earn a living wage, they have too few opportunities to demonstrate their particular talents. For me, once past the simple gratitude for getting a job, this could engender a different and perhaps more dangerous sort of disaffection.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: L'arri on January 07, 2016, 19:48
Having abandoned cycling in favour of triathlon back in 2014, Emma Pooley has now slipped ever so quietly back into the sport ahead of the Olympics. According to an article back in December ...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pooley-to-make-comeback-for-2016-rio-olympic-games/

... she rode the Chrono des Nations in October and finished sixth, presumably without much specific preparation. That article uses the conditional tense but this one ...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/great-britains-olympic-games-team-takes-shape-with-armitstead-and-pooley-at-the-helm/

... is more concrete, given that Sutton has pencilled her in for the British contingent in Rio.

I'm not at all sad to hear it. All I wish is that she stays on for a while after the Olympics.

There's no mention of a trade team, incidentally. Are we to assume that Pooley will be flying solo in 2016 and training at home?
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: DJW on January 07, 2016, 20:38
I'm very happy she's back, quite a formidable duo her and Lizzie.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Archieboy on January 08, 2016, 07:29
http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=c7748efd34fe5c946e2814371&id=d3e950a19b&e=8edaaea5ad

Emmas plans for 2016.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: L'arri on January 08, 2016, 14:03
http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=c7748efd34fe5c946e2814371&id=d3e950a19b&e=8edaaea5ad

Emmas plans for 2016.

Thanks for that, Arch'. No cycling comeback as such, then. Pooley will focus on the TT, which I suppose seems more compatible with her tri activities, and then perhaps they will require her to support Armitstead in the RR.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: Archieboy on January 08, 2016, 14:14
 and then perhaps they will require her to support Armitstead in the RR.
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Is that support as in wait for Lizzie.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: AG on January 09, 2016, 00:29
pretty sure the Olympic rules are that you must ride in the RR to ride the TT ... so yeah she will be required to serve Lizzie in the RR
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: LukasCPH on January 11, 2016, 18:14
pretty sure the Olympic rules are that you must ride in the RR to ride the TT ...
Yes, they do.
Which is stupid - is a marathoner also required to run the 400 m relay? Does a shooter have to enter in all calibres? - but it's the rule.

The Olympics are also the only event (to my knowledge) where the RR is held before the ITT.[1]
 1. Maybe it's the same at Commonwealth Games, but who cares about those. :P
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: riding too slowly on April 24, 2016, 19:11
That was utterly disgusting. Cooke and Pooley were riding around town in GB kit, mixing it up on the road with the local guys and girls who were flattered to be training with them, all forced to do it on their own coin. Pooley studying her PhD in engineering at the same time.

They weren't even able to see the Team GB mechanics, they ended up relying on a local bike shop owned by a former GB track pro. AFAIK they still help Pooley out when she's here, she was doing the shop rides last summer, was friendly with the staff and one of her old WC jerseys is framed on the wall.

Could go somewhere else but right here over two years ago we had worked out Sutton

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/23/jess-varnish-british-cyling-shane-sutton-go-and-have-a-baby

More poor behaviour  even if you extract the he said she said.
Title: Re: Emma Pooley
Post by: just some guy on May 02, 2016, 12:59
https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/727105005363286016