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Title: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: Arb on October 19, 2012, 08:04
http://www.rabosport.com/news/item/25789 (http://www.rabosport.com/news/item/25789)

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Rabobank will end its sponsorship of both the men’s and the women’s professional cycling teams per 31 December 2012. Rabobank will continue its ties with amateur cycling as a sponsor, including the youth training and the cyclocross team.

Rabobank has come to this decision following publication of the report from the American doping authority USADA last week. This report speaks volumes. Bert Bruggink, member of the Managing Board: “It is with pain in our heart, but for the bank this is an inevitable decision. We are no longer convinced that the international professional world of cycling can make this a clean and fair sport. We are not confident that this will change for the better in the foreseeable future.”

Rabobank started its involvement in cycling 17 years ago. Full of conviction and with a clear mission. Because cycling fits with Rabobank, with its clients and employees. Rabobank has expanded the cycling sponsorship during the course of the years to a complete package, from the men’s and women’s professional teams to the youth team and the cyclo cross.

Bert Bruggink: “Cycling is a beautiful sport, which millions of Dutch people enjoy and a large number of those Dutch people are clients of Rabobank. But our decision stands: we are pulling out of professional cycling. It is painful. Not just for Rabobank, but especially for the enthusiasts and the cyclists who are not to blame in this.”

Who wants some cheap signings?
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 19, 2012, 08:11
Bert Brugging: 'Het gaat met pijn in het hart, maar voor onze bank is het een onvermijdelijke beslissing. Wij zijn niet meer overtuigd dat de internationale professionele wielerwereld in staat is om een schone en eerlijke sport mogelijk te maken. Wij hebben niet het vertrouwen dat dit op afzienbare termijn ten goede zal keren.'

'It's with pain in our heart, but for the bank this is an inevitable decision. We are no longer convinced the international cycling community is able to make this a clean and fair sport. We've lost the faith that this will turn for the better on the short term.'
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 08:12
man this is big

The womens teams announced signings 2 days ago, they had no idea this was coming

 
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Zam on October 19, 2012, 08:14
Not good.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Arb on October 19, 2012, 08:18
There are only about ten guys who will be fortunate enough to get picked up by other top teams. It's going to be a rough time for the others.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 08:18
16 years of sponsorship



Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 19, 2012, 08:20
Rabobank's statement: http://www.rabobank.nl/particulieren/servicemenu/nieuws/rabobank_nieuws/rabo_stopt_sponsoring_wielerploeg (http://www.rabobank.nl/particulieren/servicemenu/nieuws/rabobank_nieuws/rabo_stopt_sponsoring_wielerploeg)

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Rabobank stopt per 31 december 2012 met de sponsoring van de professionele wielerploegen, zowel van de heren als van de dames. Rabobank blijft als sponsor verbonden aan de amateursport, waaronder de jeugdopleiding en het veldrijden.

Rabobank is tot dit besluit gekomen na verschijning van het rapport van de Amerikaanse dopingautoriteit USADA vorige week. Dit rapport spreekt boekdelen. Bert Bruggink, lid van de raad van bestuur: “Het gaat met pijn in het hart, maar voor onze bank is het een onvermijdelijke beslissing. Wij zijn niet meer overtuigd dat de internationale professionele wielerwereld in staat is om een schone en eerlijke sport mogelijk te maken. Wij hebben niet het vertrouwen dat dit op afzienbare termijn ten goede zal keren.”

Rabobank is 17 jaar geleden in de wielersport gestapt. Vol overtuiging en met een duidelijke missie. Want wielrennen past bij de Rabobank, bij haar klanten en bij haar medewerkers. Rabobank heeft de wielersponsoring in de loop der jaren uitgebreid tot een compleet pakket, van de heren- en damesprofploeg tot de jeugdopleiding en het veldrijden.

Bert Bruggink:“Wielrennen is een prachtige sport waaraan miljoenen Nederlanders plezier beleven en een groot deel van die Nederlanders is klant van de Rabobank. Maar ons besluit staat vast: we trekken ons terug uit de professionele wielersport. Het is pijnlijk, niet alleen voor de Rabobank, maar vooral voor de liefhebbers en de sporters die geen blaam treft.“

Per 31 December 2012, Rabobank stops sponsoring professional cycling teams, both for men and women. Rabobank will remain a sponsor for the amateur sport, including the youth squad and the cyclocross.

Rabobank came to this decision after the publication of the USADA report last week. This report is telling. Bert Bruggink, member of the board of directors: 'It's with pain in our heart, but for the bank this is an inevitable decision. We are no longer convinced the international cycling community is able to make this a clean and fair sport. We've lost the faith that this will turn for the better on the short term.'

Rabobank stepped into cycling 17 years ago. Full of convinction and with a clear mission. Because cycling fits with the Rabobank, her customers and her staff. Rabobank extended the team during the years from a men's and women's team to youth squads and cyclocross.

Bert Bruggink: 'Cycling is a beautiful sport which entertains millions of Dutch and a large portion of those Dutch is a customer of the Rabobank. However, our decision has been made: we quit professional cycling. It's painful, not just for the Rabobank, but for all the fans and athletes who are not to blame.'
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: killswitch on October 19, 2012, 08:40
Very bad news.  >:( At least Rabo will continue to sponsor the cyclocross and amateur teams - they could return to cycling in the future.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 08:45
So who gets signed

Renshaw to OPQS direct   8)   ;D

Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 08:48
       
1             BARREDO LLAMAZALES Carlos            
2             BOL Jetse      08/09/1989            
3             BOOM Lars      30/12/1985               
4             BOS Theo      22/08/1983            
5             BRESCHEL Matti      31/08/1984               
6             BROWN Graeme      09/04/1979               
7             CLEMENT Stef      24/09/1982            
8             FLENS Rick      11/04/1983            
9             GARATE CEPA Juan Manuel            
10             GESINK Robert      31/05/1986            
11             GOOS Marc      30/11/1990            Trainee as from 1/08   
12             KELDERMAN Wilco      25/03/1991               
13             KRUIJSWIJK Steven      07/06/1987               
14             LEEZER Tom      26/12/1985            
15             MARTENS Paul      26/10/1983               
16             MATTHEWS Michael      26/09/1990            
17             MOLLEMA Bauke      26/11/1986            
18             NIERMANN Grischa      03/11/1975               
19             OLIVIER Daan      24/11/1992         Trainee as from 7/09   
20             RENSHAW Mark      22/10/1982            
21             SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon      24/11/1983               
22             SLAGTER Tom Jelte      01/07/1989               
23             TANKINK Bram      03/12/1978            
24             TEN DAM Laurens      13/11/1980            
25             TJALLINGII Maarten      05/11/1977               
26             VAN EMDEN Jos      18/02/1985            
27             VAN WINDEN Dennis      02/12/1987               
28             VERMELTFOORT Coen      11/04/1988               
29             WYNANTS Maarten
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 19, 2012, 08:51
So who gets signed

Renshaw to OPQS direct   8)   ;D

Indeed likely this will be the end (for now at least) of Renshaw's career as lead sprinter. OPQS, OGRE or Argos, in all cases in a lead-out role.

LuLu should be a popular one, he could be an excellent signing for Euskaltel. Ten Dam, Mollema, Gesink, Boom, Kelderman, Kruiswijk and Slagter shouldn't have trouble finding a new team either. A lot of the others will have to accept a significantly lower paycheck though.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on October 19, 2012, 08:51
No-one will sign Gesink as a leader surely?
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 08:52
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However Cyclingnews understands that the teams will attempt to continue but without Rabobank cooperation, using a similar model used by High Road after T-Mobile pulled out of the sport in 2007

but who is the big money and I bet it is just the mens  >:(


and there is the teams fund - but hang on the UCI spent a sh*t load of that in China  >:(
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: killswitch on October 19, 2012, 08:54
No-one will sign Gesink as a leader surely?
Argos needs GC riders.

It will be interesting to see what Gesink/Boom/Mollema can achieve outside of their comfort zone.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 08:57
Argos needs GC riders.

It will be interesting to see what Gesink/Boom/Mollema can achieve outside of their comfort zone.

it might be the kick in the ass they need
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 09:00
slow or another Dutchy

I get 70 % but can you give the highlights in English

http://www.radio1.nl/items/63945-rabobank-stopt-met-de-sponsoring-wielerploeg?autoplay=275366 (http://www.radio1.nl/items/63945-rabobank-stopt-met-de-sponsoring-wielerploeg?autoplay=275366)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 09:07
mentions the white label in the interview

Thats a massive rider group

 (http://news.velonation.com/Misc/Teams/2012/Feature/original/Rabobank2012_presentation-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on October 19, 2012, 09:08
This sucks.  USADA report the final straw?  Or a fear of dirty laundry coming out?  Let's face it they don't have a clean history at all, but still, very disappointing for their promising young cohort.

An another damaging blow to the women's side of the sport with a second big team pulling out.  If Rabo's problem is the credibility of cycling, I don't think that is any reason for them to have pulled the plug on their women's team, who are not tarnished in the way that the men were.  Sad.

From David Millar on twitter:
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Dear Rabobank, you were part of the problem. How dare you walk away from your young clean guys who are part of the solution. Sickening.

And more humourous, Daniel Friebe:
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Rabo were the Victoria Beckham of pro cycling. You thought no betrayal would ever make them leave...
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: sublimit on October 19, 2012, 09:09
This leaves Lars Petter Nordhaug deep in it.    Maybe Sky will take him back
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 09:10
I have a feeling this is more about Nov 15th than USADA , but that did no help ofc
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 09:11
This leaves Lars Petter Nordhaug deep in it.    Maybe Sky will take him back

if he does not ride White and being a non Dtch maybe asked to leave

BMC with Thor maybe ?
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 19, 2012, 09:11
slow or another Dutchy

I get 70 % but can you give the highlights in English

http://www.radio1.nl/items/63945-rabobank-stopt-met-de-sponsoring-wielerploeg?autoplay=275366 (http://www.radio1.nl/items/63945-rabobank-stopt-met-de-sponsoring-wielerploeg?autoplay=275366)

They've been in doubt about the sponsoring for a long time, since USADA they decided there was no chance of recovery for the cycling world. They have no faith in the cleaning of cycling. The popularity of cycling has dropped through this USADA stuff, and Rabo doesn't want to remain involved with it.

They didn't see problems directly in the Rabo team, but decided that the context was too messed up with doping to continue. Rabo has tried everything to clean up the team, but with Barredo it shows that there again is a problem with doping.

They continue with youth teams because they want to continue with the KWU (cycling union) and cycling in the broader sense, but don't feel they can justify sponsoring the pro teams.

The team didn't know until now. For the continental team, there has been a solution (more info at the press conference). The team will continue, Rabo will fulfill its contractual obligations, so next year they will probably remain active under a "white label", allowing the team to possibly make a new start. So the riders have a team for next year.

Despite the decision, very generously handled by Rabobank. Respect to them.

Edit- In some 10 minutes the press conference. I'll keep you informed of the highlights, though I don't think it'll have all that much new information.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 09:24
some twitter bits

1h Mark Renshaw ‏@Mark_Renshaw
“@RaboCycling: Rabobank to end its sponsorship of professional cycling teams http://www.rabosport.com (http://www.rabosport.com) ”

Mark Renshaw ‏@Mark_Renshaw
Got no idea whats going on people. Wait and see?

Stef ‏@Stefclement
I believe in this promising, hard working and talented group of riders and staff. The glue is gone, but we don't need to fall a part.

David Millar ‏@millarmind
Dear Rabobank, you were part of the problem. How dare you walk away from your young clean guys who are part of the solution. Sickening.

plus this 1

David Millar ‏@millarmind
Just in case anybody needed reminding, Hein Verbruggen is Dutch. He's leaving a fine legacy.

which was replied to -
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@millarmind Just in case, Tom Simpson is british. He left us leaving a vivid legacy: you.
   ;D
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on October 19, 2012, 09:26
Good that the team will be able to continue for next year in some form, so the riders and staff won't immediately lose their jobs
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: The Poster Formerly Known As Moondance on October 19, 2012, 09:39
Not a very good day for Dutch cycling... At least Rabo will continue to fund the amateurs, cyclocross, and the Dutch cycling union. On the other hand, who knows, this might be good for Dutch cycling long term. With no guarantees of a big fat contract for any Dutch rider with a bit of talent they might just race that little bit harder.

David Millar's reaction is understandable, if misplaced. Of course Rabobank's departure now, seeking the moral high ground, is more than a little hypocrictical, given the sponsored a (by all acounts) very dirty team for over a decade (however dirty the team is now is a mystery). On the other hand no sponsor is obligated to remain in the sport, and they will honour the contract they had, so if Rabobank could just have cut the Hamlet act about their doubts and moral qualms it would be all good.

Anyway, future for the team: First of all, no way the team leaders will find a similar sized sponsor (€13m p/a) for 2014 and beyond. Rabobank is one of the largest companies in the Netherlands already, and corporate marketing budgets aren't exactly flush at the moment given the economy. However cycling does get a lot of attention over here, so that the team will just be left to expire after next season  is unthinkable, putting in a few million euros is a pretty good deal for all the attention the likes of Gesink or Mollema will get. Maybe they'll be able to continue with half the budget from a couple of sources, if they're lucky.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 19, 2012, 09:41
Press conference started. I'll update this post when if they give any relevant information.

- They again underline that the USADA was the final straw.
- A new organisation will hold the licenses and continue for another year, both men and women. Just not under the Rabobank name. Full support will continue to be provided for another year.
- Rabo continues to support Vos through the next Olympics, but how exactly is not sure. Some form of support will continue to be provided to the women, how exactly this will be done is not yet clear.
- The continental and cx teams might be brought to the KNWU (Dutch cycling union), which will continue to run them.

That's it already, not much information.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 09:43
and it is a said day in a more lighter sense

no longer will the rabobus forming   :'(
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 09:46
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gesink-shocked-by-rabobank-news (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gesink-shocked-by-rabobank-news)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: ansimi on October 19, 2012, 09:48
I feel especially bad for the professional women's team. Sad development.

Thanks to our Dutch friends for translations and updates.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: The Poster Formerly Known As Moondance on October 19, 2012, 10:03
Hmmm, apparantly Thomas Dekker has said on Twitter how much of a shame it is for the young riders to be victims of the past... Perhaps apologies would be in order.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: killswitch on October 19, 2012, 10:05
and it is a said day in a more lighter sense

no longer will the rabobus forming   :'(
Shocking by Rabo to quit just one day before the biggest target of their season - the Japan Cup.  ;)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Capt_Cavman on October 19, 2012, 10:05
...However cycling does get a lot of attention over here, so that the team will just be left to expire after next season  is unthinkable, putting in a few million euros is a pretty good deal for all the attention the likes of Gesink or Mollema will get. Maybe they'll be able to continue with half the budget from a couple of sources, if they're lucky.
Wiggins is looking for more help in the mountains...
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 19, 2012, 10:07
Anyway, future for the team: First of all, no way the team leaders will find a similar sized sponsor (€13m p/a) for 2014 and beyond. Rabobank is one of the largest companies in the Netherlands already, and corporate marketing budgets aren't exactly flush at the moment given the economy. However cycling does get a lot of attention over here, so that the team will just be left to expire after next season  is unthinkable, putting in a few million euros is a pretty good deal for all the attention the likes of Gesink or Mollema will get. Maybe they'll be able to continue with half the budget from a couple of sources, if they're lucky.

The 13 million budget is for the Continental, cx, women's and men's teams combined right? Since the continental and cx are brought under elsewhere and it's likely a seperate solution will be found for the women's team, a new sponsor will require than the 13 million.

Still, you are right that the team will need to downsize after next year, if they can find new sponsors. Giant might step up to co-title-sponsor, but some others will have to be brought in as well. The team will either quit or continue on a far smaller scale. The team as we know it will not survive, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Jamsque on October 19, 2012, 10:13
Tragic. Rabo are one of a tiny number of teams who have been part of the sport for the entire time I've followed it, and I will miss their wacky orange and blue ways.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 10:40
Rbobank really put the pressure on Fat and Hein and the rest of the UCI

they do not believe the UCI leadership has the ability to change the sport -

with this white team maybe and just maybe they might return if the UCI cleans house or is that asking too much ?
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 11:25
Fat thanks Rabobank

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1018/Wielrennen/article/detail/3334213/2012/10/19/McQuaid-Rabobank-veel-dank-verschuldigd.dhtml (http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1018/Wielrennen/article/detail/3334213/2012/10/19/McQuaid-Rabobank-veel-dank-verschuldigd.dhtml)

misses the bit about a lot of it being his and the UCIs fault
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 11:35
bit of middle ground here - but if want to get into a doping discussion - a thread in the dark side

quotes from people ie riders ok in here

all GT´s

Lars Boom responded Friday played on the dropping of sponsor Rabobank. "This is really a shame," said the rider. "It's that time a reliable good sponsor. It's really unfortunate that they leave us. " According Tree is the young generation the brunt of the behavior of the old generation. "Rabobank also know that we are really doing well. But of course you have the position of the bank understand. But we are still the victim of something that we have nothing to do with it. " Boom goes there from him next season in the team can continue cycling. "We have ongoing contracts and which are simply paid. We can not sponsor drive temporarily. Everything is well on track for next year. I hope we can show as a new sponsor and warm can make. "

Sports Director Marc Wauters Lotto-Belisol, who long for the Rabobank team rider rode: "That the Rabobank team stops, is a disaster. The news caught me totally. The whole story of Lance Armstrong's cycling will certainly do no virtue. I wear as a rider 9 years with Rabobank. I experienced a more than great time, especially in 2001 when I was in the yellow shirt leader of the Tour in the own Lummen could drive around. That precisely this sponsor quits, is a disaster. The domino effect of the case-Armstrong I'll call it. "


Former Rabobank rider Thomas Dekker : 'Violently awakening. Rabobank stops. I think they were smashed right track, but the snowball effect of the last days was too much. Too bad for all those young riders who are victims of the past. "

Rabobank wants Marianne Vos continue to support it. The world champion and Olympic champion in the way the bank has learned. "Of course I'm happy with that, but I still have to wait and see how it will run," said Fox at BNR. Vos, who was the figurehead of the women's team, is particularly excited by stopping the bank as a lender. "This is a very big blow to cycling. But Rabobank has always indicated that they would withdraw in doping. So that was concerned, it does not come as a surprise. It is still important for a bank to be reliable. " the rider regret is that everyone must suffer the behavior of riders in the years. "This happens precisely at a time when the sport is a lot cleaner. That is unfortunate. But it is important that now everything above table. '


 paul Martens via Twitter: "Sad news, I can not blame a sponsor that he leaves this sport ... but it does not feel fair ... I believe in our group, hope we get the chance to fight. "

Robert Gesink argues that his generation should pay the bill for the use of doping by his former colleagues. "We were the last years just another path. I think I'm the first man of the new generation. It is very sour that we now have to pay the bill for what happened in the past has happened and all that we are doing now were delayed. I'm sick of it really, because we were really in a good and decent way busy, "said the leader of the Rabobank team. Gesink realizes that the team in a very difficult position Sat "It is naive to think that the Rabobank report on Lance Armstrong would find attractive. So you keep in mind. It is 17 years a very beautiful project. It is really unfortunate that in this way comes to an end. They are worthless times. It is unclear where it should go. I hope there is a good solution. "

Kenny van Hummel , rider from Vacansoleil: 'Hypocritical and shame for cycling that Rabobank now get out. Unfortunately for talent to lose from being. Wondering what Rabobank really knew what happened at that time. "
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 11:41
Full in English response from the UCI

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UCI statement on Rabobank decision

19.10.2012

The UCI acknowledges the decision of Rabobank to withdraw from cycling after 17 years of involvement with the sport as principal sponsor of one of the best known teams of the peloton.
In light of the difficult period, namely the high public interest in past doping issues and perhaps a more recent action taken by the UCI against a rider of the team, the UCI understands the context which has led to this decision being reached.

Despite inevitable and sometimes painful consequences, the UCI reaffirms its commitment to the fight against doping and full transparency about potential anti-doping rule violations.
The UCI wishes to express its gratitude to Rabobank for its important investment and support of women’s and men’s cycling, over almost two decades, as well as its decision to continue its support of the Cyclo-cross team, amateur cycling and youth training, which is important for the future of our sport.

UCI President Pat McQuaid said “Cycling is grateful for the many years of successful partnership with Rabobank, which have been beneficial for all. Its involvement has changed the lives of numerous athletes who in turn have undoubtedly contributed to make Rabobank one of the most recognized brands in sport worldwide.”


UCI Communications Service

Well flip me to the bolded bit
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 11:44
Marcel Kittel ‏@marcelkittel
Rabobank stopped. Disappointing! But think about T-Mobile: They stopped as well, developed into Highroad and became THE team! It's a chance!
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 12:45
and with the the Giantbus is formed maybe ................

Bicycle manufacturer and current bike sponsor for Rabobank, Giant, willing to take over sponsorship, Tom Davies (Giant) says.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: The Poster Formerly Known As Moondance on October 19, 2012, 13:18
Like JSG says, Giant is thinking about expaning their sponsoring, and according to Dutch papers, a 'multi-national' is considering taking over as named sponsor (http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/11664/Rabobank-stopt-sponsoring/article/detail/3334302/2012/10/19/Giant-en-multinational-willen-wielerploeg-overnemen.dhtml (http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/11664/Rabobank-stopt-sponsoring/article/detail/3334302/2012/10/19/Giant-en-multinational-willen-wielerploeg-overnemen.dhtml))...

Who could it be? Of course a multi-national could be anyone, but given the large Dutch presence in the team one would have to think a company with a Dutch base of operations, or else a very large footprint in 0031. Philips or ING, maybe? Those are the only Dutch multi-nationals I can think of for whom it would seem to make sense to spend €10m on a cycling team.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: cj2002 on October 19, 2012, 13:37
Philips and ING are good shouts. Both already have good sporting connections; Philips with the football team, and ING with several US marathons and the Dutch football association. ING would keep the orange too!

Just for humour's sake, I'd like to see TomTom step in. Then we'd have the battle of the SatNavs!!
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 19, 2012, 13:37
Like JSG says, Giant is thinking about expaning their sponsoring, and according to Dutch papers, a 'multi-national' is considering taking over as named sponsor (http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/11664/Rabobank-stopt-sponsoring/article/detail/3334302/2012/10/19/Giant-en-multinational-willen-wielerploeg-overnemen.dhtml (http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/11664/Rabobank-stopt-sponsoring/article/detail/3334302/2012/10/19/Giant-en-multinational-willen-wielerploeg-overnemen.dhtml))...

Who could it be? Of course a multi-national could be anyone, but given the large Dutch presence in the team one would have to think a company with a Dutch base of operations, or else a very large footprint in 0031. Philips or ING, maybe? Those are the only Dutch multi-nationals I can think of for whom it would seem to make sense to spend €10m on a cycling team.

TomTom to challenge Garmin for the cycling market? :P Or Heineken, a nice green team to replace Liquigas would be cool. Philips would be the most likely, if it's Dutch. Not sure ING would want to step into cycling at this time. I can't think of any other potential candidates really.. But if there's this kind of interest already, it is looking like the team will survive, luckily.

I just hope any new sponsor will take the women's team as well and not just the men.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 13:42
To be Honest Team Vos has more market value than the mens team imho  :D

So it might be the other way around

Rabo keep team Vos at least until 2016 - they never said how they would do it, but my reading between the lines it is the expensive, under performing mens team that is the issue for Rabobank

Heineken would be cool, but agree Philips most likely
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 19, 2012, 13:47
True, any Dutch sponsor would love to sign Vos. I wonder what kind of arrangement Rabo will work out with her; I don't think they can continue to sponsor the women's team since it's being brought under the new licence holder as well, would be awkward. But Vos at least has nothign to worry about, and has probably enough leverage to get a deal for some of her teammates as well.

Team Philips - Giant. Will take some getting used to. Team Heineken would be amazing though, I'd love for that to happen.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Jamsque on October 19, 2012, 13:52
ING even have an orange logo.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: The Poster Formerly Known As Moondance on October 19, 2012, 13:58
Heineken.... Hmmm... Cycling isn't the most natural sport to sponsor as a beer company, but they have been actively seeking new ways to advertise as of late. Sponsoring a cycling team is also pretty good way of reaching the whole of Europe. Still think it's unlikely to be them though.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Francois the Postman on October 19, 2012, 14:11
Rabosponsor thrown under the Rabobus....



I actually think this is a reasonably good thing, despite all its very obvious drawback for all the people involved. They restated that they *still* have no confidence in the cycling world cleaning up its own act. An 18 year sponsor stating that raises yet more burning questions for our fat overlords...


But boy did they miss an opportunity that would have made them the cycling saints for years to come.

Picture this: Rabobank SPONSOR, whose commitment to the sport is impeccible, gives an ultimatum to its team and the cycling pro-sport:

clean up your act now or else...

- the team has already been purging rotten apples over the last months, and could have simply dotted the last i-s. Write off the past as a bad Raboteam leaf, and know that Rabo, as a sponsor, will stand with it as long as it remains clean. Talk about incentive.
- the *sponsor* calls a spade a spade, and files ALL the awkward questions with the UCI, etc... publicly. Simply demands that the UCI gets cleaned up too, that Pat & Co resign, and that testing is no longer entrusted to them, etc.
- propose a vocal critic of the current lot [ Kimmage ] as the new head of the UCI
- set a public deadline for the key decisions

- see who else wants to jump on this Rabobus....

If the sponsor would have stayed in as a result, they would have gotten their way. They would be seen as a force for good, domestically and abroad. It would have bought them a global brand, and publicity when this is a hot topic globally, that "money simply can't buy".

If they would have left because of missed deadlines, they would still have had their PR coup, and put clearer water between them and the world of cycling.

I think they missed a trick here, which is a shame, as it felt that Rabo was transforming finally into something that the sponsor had insisted upon (and expected to have put its name behind) for years.

Once again, the way Rabobank the sponsor bows out, with support to commitments it made, races them. Fat Pat can yap all he wants about drawing in big-cheque sponsors, Rabobanks long-standing support, through many hard times too, also reached deep into the fabric of our cycling's future, and so it's departure is a loss far greater than what any these newcomers have done for cycling so far.

I do hope for the riders that want to ride for a cleaner sport, the ditto staff, etc, that they can find a new name to pick up the pieces soon. But Rabo won't find a replacement for Rabo.


After what they have given, I expect they will prove themselves to be irreplacable. As long as cycling doesn't get serious about cleaning up its act.

But at least the Dutch riders will know it's serious now. Rabo left. The world has changed.

And their job is (finally) really at stake. Stop cashing the fatter cheques and think. Start making the fuss that you should have made years ago. Yup, cycling will get tougher and harder for a while. Three weeks without a programme is harder. A full calender year even more so.But those cheques are going. The nice ride of the last decade has come to a halt. Money is leaving. Get it?

Only you (younger) guys can secure your own future here. Make demands and point fingers at those that are ruining your future. They have cashed long their cheques. Don't be loyal or intimidated by that lot. They are finally standing on the plank. Don't give them a chance to weather this storm and leave it on the ship's side.

Strike. But this time, for the right reasons. Not to be tested less and be left alone more, as it is all so unfair. Do it to turf out the rotten core. The little guys will never again get a chance as good as this one.

And if you don't, your sport won't recover from this the way we all got out of the Festina affair.

The tour 2013 will be looked at very differently already. The game really has changed. No shining lights left. It's all tainted. Something needs to really change. It isn't about Lance at all. Get it?

The Rabo sponsor missed a trick by not putting its credibility vs that of Pat & Co. Young riders have a natural credibility that old riders have all lost, rightly or wrongly. Use it.

Time to become very vocal.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Dim on October 19, 2012, 14:56
Interesting statement from the Belgian Lottery

http://www.lottobelisol.be/nl/statement-nationale-loterij-717.htm (http://www.lottobelisol.be/nl/statement-nationale-loterij-717.htm)

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The National Lottery takes note of the decision by Rabobank, as they have long been active as a cycling sponsor, in order to step out of the professional cycling.  The National Lottery understands this decision but opts for a different approach, in particular the move towards a pure cycling.  The many cycling fans are entitled to a sport where everyone competes on an equal footing and therefore equal chances of success (as is the case with the lottery games they offer).

 As in the whole of its operation, uses the National Lottery in its cycling sponsorship to the highest ethical standards and puts them since taking office in the international peloton, in 1985, a zero tolerance policy on doping on to its sponsored teams.  From small to large.

 The Belgian Cycling Project of the National Lottery is indeed not only a major marketing tool (with a return on investment that is at least 4 times as large as the investment) but also consistent with its mission to create opportunities for everyone.  Hence its cycling pyramid which (besides supporting various youth and promise teams, race organizers and volunteers of all kinds) talent identification and counseling center.  And whose Lotto Belisol World Tour team the apex and will continue to form.  Because without top is a pyramid pyramid no more ...
 Cycling is one of the most popular sports in Belgium and the National Lottery will help determine its future continue.  Not by a blind eye to what happened in the past is lost in the peloton, but its activities on a sound basis to continue ..

 Young starters, talents and champions of tomorrow, are entitled to a fair chance in an ethical environment their talent to develop to.  Sponsors who believe in the future of cycling should not continue to look back on yesterday but today, with the experience of the past, look to tomorrow and help build the future of cycling.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: froome19 on October 19, 2012, 14:59
Yet it seems like to their minds that they do not want to have anything to associate themselves with a sport which they believe will only decline due to the Lance investigations.

Disassociating themselves with the Rabo of old will not work because that team will always be called Rabo and even if they do express their dislike at what went on, it only goes so far to be seen as a very convenient statement akin to Sky's etc.

And that is what is so worrying, if sponsors now become disenchanted with the sport due to the fact that they believe that it is not worth the risk to invest in a sport which seems to be going backwards and dealing with its past rather than progressing than they will not invest and the sport will be left to rue its decisions.

And of course all this done under the leadership of the UCI who seem to be content to observe and pray they do not get found out or at the very least if they do that they drag down the whole of cycling along with them.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 19, 2012, 15:03
Just realised, Philips are not in the best financial position right now. Last year they downsized quite a bit, and this year too their numbers haven't been great iirc. So not sure they could sell sponsoring a cycling team to their employees. Perhaps not so likely to be them.. And ING, yes, that could be, but after all the state-support, can they do something like sponsoring a team? In short, no idea who this new sponsor could be, if it even comes through.

Good to see Lotto stays with the team. But then again, in Belgium cycling as a sport is never ever threatened, no matter how bad the doping gets.

Edit- Apparently Skoda (Rabo's car sponsor) also stop sponsoring. However, that decision was made months ago in August, so has nothing to do with this.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Francois the Postman on October 19, 2012, 15:36
Yet it seems like to their minds that they do not want to have anything to associate themselves with a sport which they believe will only decline due to the Lance investigations.

Rabobank is a sponsor for cycling in the Netherlands. It goes far beyond the sport. Rabobank is cycling. Having the Raboteam on the road was the glue that held together the most envied associative sponsorship coup one of the high-tiers brands has ever pulled off.

People in the NL are well capable of separating the sponsor from the team. If it took a very public stand, people would not get confused. Rather the opposite, unwavering loyalty and commitments through hard times is valued back there as a good thing. For a bank: "we stand by you" matters. They had an opportunity here to project that message globally, and also highlight their "deep investment", plus project the Rabo name as one that took the strong stand against the muck, even more so if it cleaned up its own sponsored house in the process.

Get out now, and if they remember you, arguably, people will only remember you for the bad times. Stay involved and change the narrative. I bet if there was a groundswell of changes from within the sport, Rabo would have stayed on as the national face for cycling. They have lost more than they will be able to regain by adjusting their sponsorship course.

In one or two years people would remember that shiny knight stand more than any of the historic muck that is history already. Breukink and Menchov. Who cares. There will be so many names and teams named over the coming time, Rabobank won't stand out. Trek won't stand out. Riders will stand out. Can you name what team Merckx was on?

This isn't the Rabo-affair. Festina had a a trickier problem. T-Mobole to some extent too. Rabo has been with cycling a long time, but Rabobank has never really associated itself with a rider in particular. Always the sponsorship of the team. Dutch people don't think of Rabobanks as the Rabobank team. They weren't the team. Not like Philips is PSV. Which helps them too.

Cycling is so engrained in our national culture, and Rabo is involved on so many levels, for so long, that there are rules applying here that don't apply to Sky, etc.

And for the international markets where the bank has a presence too, Rabo's involvement with cycling was/is mostly with rider names that people don't know or don't care about. Any fall-out that comes from that would be covered by all the good-will that would come from taking the sport of ours by the scruff of the neck and pulling it to clearer waters.

It doesn't look like the bank was complicit in what went on at Rabo the team. The (old) team is showing how engrained the culture was, how complicit and hands off and condoning the sport was (in various mixtures), and what idiots you must be if you have a sponsor as committed and forgiving like Rabo and flip it up. It highlights the expectation that 'we will get way with it even if something crops up' is so engrained even by people who supposedly are trying to get it from a to b in a controlled 'good' way, that slash and burn looks like a healthy option right now. 

And cycling lost one of its best and most committed sponsors, one who would have loved to be associated with the place that the sport keeps claiming it wants to be. Bloody idiots....

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Disassociating themselves with the Rabo of old will not work because that team will always be called Rabo and even if they do express their dislike at what went on, it only goes so far to be seen as a very convenient statement akin to Sky's etc.
If Sky the sponsor made a comment, I can't comment, didn't see it.

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And that is what is so worrying, if sponsors now become disenchanted with the sport due to the fact that they believe that it is not worth the risk to invest in a sport which seems to be going backwards and dealing with its past rather than progressing than they will not invest and the sport will be left to rue its decisions.
Well, that was so inevitable that it made the whole Pat-Show even more frustrating to watch. I am amazed they kept it under (mass-public) wraps for so long, but if this came as a surprise to those still involved with the sport (and employed by it at that top-level)... how thick can you be? It's been a long two decades.

Up until now, "the sport" isn't dealing with it. Riders are stumm, the UCI is trying business as usual (again - worked well for them in the past).

It is either incompetent or complicit. Arguably both. Either way, as stewards over this train-wreck, it should be turfed out or shaken up so strongly it is no longer recognisable. Anyone in the current sport-structure hoping to make a living out of it and who isn't demanding that: blind idiots.

Rabo stepped out, not because of the past, but because of the way cycling is currently st5ill stumbling along towards its own future, with the UCI as the herder in chief. Sheep and idiots. The lot of them.

If this was my company, and my future depended on it, I'd only be writing very long public letters so I would have plenty of paper to burn the lot down, if no-one was willing or able to grab a match before me.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 19, 2012, 15:48
Still say this has more to do with Nov 15 than USADA report, The door was popped open by Levi watch chicken run through with a massive smile on his face swinging a plasma bag and say flip you.

I know I know my own post but your all in here  :'(
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Francois the Postman on October 19, 2012, 16:07
Still say this has more to do with Nov 15 than USADA report, The door was popped open by Levi watch chicken run through with a massive smile on his face swinging a plasma bag and say flip you.

I know I know my own post but your all in here  :'(

They knew that was coming anyway. It would actually a great opportunity for the Bank to take control of the narrative, and present itself as the shiny white knight that demands a Team and Sport shake-up, drawing a clear red line between the past and the future.

The bank isn't the team. The price of the 15th will still come. The people that would associate it with the Bank still will, maybe even more so.

But now the Bank has given up its chance to change the narrative and use the inevitable publicity to try to force through the changes that would have enabled it to retain its much envied associative sponsoring of cycling (overall) in the NL, which was only effective because it had the base and the top, and quite possibly have grabbed some great sounding 'bank-narratives' headlines on a global scale to boot, when it could have written headlines the way it wanted to be heard, if it played it clever.

I think they observed that all this was still not triggering demands for structural changes from within. Which must be mind-boggling to anyone who knows anything about investing in your own future. I think it knows as much as we do what is needed to stop this boomerang from hitting us over and over... the 15th is just a date that will come anyway. It is being hit over and over and over..... and no-one saying "enough is enough, these idiots who keep us in harms way gonna have to go".

After this cluster-flipup, no-one can afford a repeat any time soon, and no-one wants to be associated with it. And the multitude of people who got us here are not budging. That scares the sh*t out of Rabo. Not the 15th. That is only 'their' problem from a safe enough distance. The rest no longer is.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Dim on October 19, 2012, 16:19
Graham Watsons response

Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Dim on October 19, 2012, 16:30
Superb Reply from Lemond :D
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: barrus on October 19, 2012, 17:08
Graham Watsons response

While I would never call these riders lazy, I do think that this will aid in the development of many riders, since there will be more consequences to failing to live up to their expectations, which might change their state of mind. I think that the guarantees that many riders had at Rabo will no longer be there, which might well be a good thing
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: The Hitch on October 19, 2012, 17:11
 :'(
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Francois the Postman on October 19, 2012, 17:40
While I would never call these riders lazy, I do think that this will aid in the development of many riders, since there will be more consequences to failing to live up to their expectations, which might change their state of mind. I think that the guarantees that many riders had at Rabo will no longer be there, which might well be a good thing

I kinda agree with that, but I would have preferred it if that would have happened by changing the internal management culture.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: barrus on October 19, 2012, 18:07
I kinda agree with that, but I would have preferred it if that would have happened by changing the internal management culture.
True enough, but still there is a good chance that the team remains in place, although probably changed significantly
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: flicker2.0 on October 19, 2012, 19:15
I wonder what broke the camels back, Floyd, ratting/Boogard, reports of systematic doping, doping doctors, Rasmuusson, Bruyneel, Menchov, USADA, Leipheimer admontition,Armstrong, so much weight for a sponsor, really sad, it was a great team.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Francois the Postman on October 19, 2012, 19:31
Can't see Philips step in. Even ignoring the PDM scars, it didn't even step in when PSV was on the verge of bankruptcy, it was the city that bailed 'their' football team out. That tells you all you need to know about the additional sport sponsorship funds Philips wants to allocate, by choice.

Giant says its speaking to a multinational though.

Has cash-rich Unilever not got a brand that can deliver feel-good winter hats to the nation, and not just on those occasions that the Frisians start testing the strength of the ice around Sneek?
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Dim on October 19, 2012, 21:28
While Rabobank claim its as a result of the USADA information, I wonder if its as much as a result of "rabobank teams response to the USADA information". The that was then, this is now, we are clean nowadays approach maybe what wasnt what the sponsor wanted to hear.

I doubt a firm "we are conducting an in house investigation and any staff or riders involved in doping will be out" from the team would have saved them, but would be interesting nonetheless.

By the sounds of it they will be ok. Its interesting that they have the funding for 2013. I wonder if Rabobank have agreed to pay next years funding or part of it, while removing their name from the project.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: The Poster Formerly Known As Moondance on October 19, 2012, 22:08
Can't see Philips step in. Even ignoring the PDM scars, it didn't even step in when PSV was on the verge of bankruptcy, it was the city that bailed 'their' football team out. That tells you all you need to know about the additional sport sponsorship funds Philips wants to allocate, by choice.

Giant says its speaking to a multinational though.

Has cash-rich Unilever not got a brand that can deliver feel-good winter hats to the nation, and not just on those occasions that the Frisians start testing the strength of the ice around Sneek?

I considered Unilever, but really, the way they organise their branding I cannot see them doing anything in the region of cycling. It's not enough of a mass market. Plus, for some reason, foodstuffs never really seem to get in on the sponsoring business. I mean how many current teams have food related sponsors? Saur-Sojasun (the Sojasun part), Jelly Belly, Chipotle? That's about it. And Team Dove or Team Axe are just too weird to even consider.

On the other hand, I do happen to know the CEO of Unilever personally (friend of the family) so who knows, maybe I can get the inside track there.

And I didn't say it would be Philips or ING, btw. I was just mentioning the only two Dutch multi-nationals who in my estimation would probably even consider doing it. If it's a 'foreign' multi-national it really could be anyone.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: mc_mountain on October 20, 2012, 00:46
Rbobank really put the pressure on Fat and Hein and the rest of the UCI

they do not believe the UCI leadership has the ability to change the sport -

with this white team maybe and just maybe they might return if the UCI cleans house or is that asking too much ?

This pretty much sums up my thoughts...
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: The Poster Formerly Known As Moondance on October 20, 2012, 15:31
David Millar wrote a very interesting open letter to the Rabobank which was publish in one of our bigger national newspapers today. It's in Dutch, obviously, but I'll do a little translating:



Title: Dear Rabobank, you're destroying countless dreams

I'd like to take the opportunity to explain my Twitter message from yesterday, when I'd heard you were ceasing your sponsorship ("Dear Rabobank, you were part of the problem. How dare you walk away from your young clean guys who are part of the solution. Sickening.")

First I'd like to tell you what Rabobank means for me as a Brit. Rabobank represent the Netherlands, from your support of both mens and womens cycling, to supporting the lowest levels of cycling, to the professional levels. The Netherlands is a country of cyclists, that's how we see you, and it was appropriate that a national bank was willing to support the cycling hopes of a nation.

I'd always been a bit jealous of the Dutch riders. I had no ladder to the top of my sport, taking me from cycling schoolboy to participant in the Tour de France, in a national team. Only recently do we have such a team, Sky, who invests in the sport at the lowest and highest levels. A sponsor that inspires ones countrymen to become cyclists, like Rabobank did for Holland.

I've raced against Rabo-cyclists since I turned pro. It was always a strong team, and many were jealous of its large budget, good support staff, and the national kinship many Dutch fans felt for the team. Like myself, the team lost its way, and under Theo de Rooij doping was tolerated by the direction.

The truth is that throughout that period everyone tolerated doping. Lance Armstrong showed the outside world what many insiders already knew, that for a while it was impossible to win the Tour or other big races without doping. Sure, there were clean riders and clean victories, but the bottom line was that doping use was widespread, and necessary to be the best.

Most of us were responsible for this. Doping was a way of life in the peloton. I'd hoped the Festina affair would change things, but doping was too deeply rooted.

Changes were needed: better doping controls, and criminalisation of doping use. The latter made it possible for legal investigations into doping, because the police have more tools to investigate riders than anti-doping agencies do. And the whereabouts system made it possible to do serious out-of-competition testing, when most of the dope is used.

Because of these changes there were more riders caught, and more teams confronted with scandals. Some teams reacted forcefully, Marc Madiot and FDJ are a clear example of how doping could be exorcised and banished from a team. They didn't need anyone for that, they did it themselves.

And that's where my criticism comes from. In the last five years this sport has become a whole lot cleaner. My team and our sponsors got into the sport with the intention to run a 100% clean team. We knew how it worked: Garmin DS Jonathan Vaughters and myself are both former dopers. Our sponsors were aware of the mores of the sport; we told them all about it beforehand. They shared our intention to change the future of our sport by taking the right decisions day-by-day.

The Rabobank Team is an institution. The amount of dreams you have destroyed with your decision are countless. You had some of the best athletes, Marianne Vos and Robert Gesink the most prominent, but there are many more. They don't deserve it to have to pay for the mistakes of the past.

You supported your team throughout many scandals, I'll admit that, but did you do enough to prevent the scandals in the first place? I don't think so. Is your team clean now? I believe they are. Can you be proud of the team that you've supported all those years? Absolutely.

Instead you're now withdrawing from the sport, with the remarkable announcement that: "we are no longer convinced that the international professional cycling world is capable of keeping itself honest and clean. We do not believe that this will change any time soon".

You're wrong.

There have been many changes in the last few years. I KNOW that it is now possible to win big races whilst clean. I understand your disillusionment, but please, do not degrade all the hard work that has been done. You're throwing away the opportunity to be a part of the future of what you yourselves call "a beautiful sport."

I admire your decision not to immediately close up shop, and to allow the team to continue nameless next year. Many sponsors would just cut-and-run. Maybe you should just give yourselves some time to understand the sport, and to think about a way to be a part of the continuing change in it. Everyone who has been a part of recent cycling history understands that mistakes have been made, and that those mistakes need to be corrected.

Not only would that be ethically just, but more importantly, it is our duty.

David Millar



Link: http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/3184/opinie/article/detail/3334783/2012/10/20/David-Millar-Beste-Rabobank-jullie-maken-ontelbare-dromen-kapot.dhtml (http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/3184/opinie/article/detail/3334783/2012/10/20/David-Millar-Beste-Rabobank-jullie-maken-ontelbare-dromen-kapot.dhtml)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: The Poster Formerly Known As Moondance on October 20, 2012, 15:32
A nice, well-written letter, with a clear message. I don't agree with it though, but that's me.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 20, 2012, 15:56
I can understand why Millar feels this way, and respect his opinion. I do not agree with it though. Rabobank has supported the sport longer than almost any other sponsor, through some of its darkest times. Of course I would much rather have seen them stay on as a sponsor, but the way they handled it all was very decent. I do not blame the bank for their decision at all, though I can understand the frustration.

I do appreciate Millar's response though. I really hope some day he'll be in a nice high position within the UCI, I'd love to see him given a shot at cleaning up the mess that is this sport.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: flicker2.0 on October 20, 2012, 16:50
I can understand why Millar feels this way, and respect his opinion. I do not agree with it though. Rabobank has supported the sport longer than almost any other sponsor, through some of its darkest times. Of course I would much rather have seen them stay on as a sponsor, but the way they handled it all was very decent. I do not blame the bank for their decision at all, though I can understand the frustration.

I do appreciate Millar's response though. I really hope some day he'll be in a nice high position within the UCI, I'd love to see him given a shot at cleaning up the mess that is this sport.

Rabobanks' mission was to support safe cycling in Holland, and to promote cycling, develop Dutch Riders, and hire International superstars for the big races.
What do they get, a minority of uber dopers who pooed all over the sport, and the icing on the cake, Leipheimer outing all his teams,including Rabo and Barredo showing he can't do it clean. I am hoping all the big sponsors follow Rabo right out of the sport, now that it is all out, with The USPS riders, who can take cycling seriously. It is not David Millars' fault, as he adds levity to the situation, from the inside out, but cycling is now a laughing stock of the sporting world. Who in Gods' name can take pro cycling seriously, its like watching the East German track and field, and East German swim team, in the past Olympics.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: benotti69 on October 20, 2012, 17:01
No time for Millar. He slammed Landis, his own history was darker than he lets on. He always defended omerta till now when the wind is blowing a different way, he wants a cycling media career and he is doing his damnedest to achieve it. Too late for this Millar, years too late!
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: AG on October 21, 2012, 01:20
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I admire your decision not to immediately close up shop, and to allow the team to continue nameless next year. Many sponsors would just cut-and-run. Maybe you should just give yourselves some time to understand the sport, and to think about a way to be a part of the continuing change in it. Everyone who has been a part of recent cycling history understands that mistakes have been made, and that those mistakes need to be corrected.

seriously Dave ... they should take some time to understand the sport?   :fp

while I do admire his passion, and I am glad that someone within the peleton at least is speaking up ... we need to focus on the issues at the top before we can fix the sport from within
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on October 21, 2012, 23:06
http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/11664/Rabobank-stopt-sponsoring/article/detail/3335135/2012/10/21/Knebel-Veel-belangstelling-voor-wielerploeg-Rabobank.dhtml (http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/11664/Rabobank-stopt-sponsoring/article/detail/3335135/2012/10/21/Knebel-Veel-belangstelling-voor-wielerploeg-Rabobank.dhtml)

Multiple parties are apparently interested in sponsoring the Rabo team. They say they might have a new sponsor in 2013 already. Giant is interested, they could either just remain on as material sponsor, increase their share of the team (probably becoming co-sponsor), or even become the main sponsor. They are not the only interested party though.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: cj2002 on October 23, 2012, 13:12
Quote from: @TourdeJose
UCI says it will ask license commission to make an exception for (former) Rabobank and give a one-year WT-license

Due to the technical issues with finding the link Jose posted on my work PC (Twitter block) and linguistic issues of me not speaking Dutch, I *think* this is the right story.

http://www.wielerrevue.nl/nc/nieuwsitem/2012/10/23/raboploeg-kan-worldtour-licentie-behouden (http://www.wielerrevue.nl/nc/nieuwsitem/2012/10/23/raboploeg-kan-worldtour-licentie-behouden)

But I am happy to be corrected.

I am also happy for the Rabobus to keep rolling on the best roads (stretched metaphor, much?)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 24, 2012, 14:35
Quote
"We will ask the license commission to make an exception," UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani told wielerrevue.nl. "That means that the team can get a one year license, instead of the four-year license as was requested by the team."

I like this from the UCI  :-[   :D
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2012, 11:50
GT

Quote
Four or five companies, potential sponsors of the new Rabobank


It seems only a matter of time that the structure of Rabobank can submit a new sponsor. The team management held extensive discussions with four or five companies from the Dutch bank announced Oct. 19 that left professional cycling in the wake of recent events, in particular the report of USADA doping revealing systematic and organized the U.S. Postal and Lance Armstrong.

Rabobank, in any case, was committed to maintaining its contractual commitments, while the team announced "a new beginning" in a new foundation and a "white label", at least to find a new sponsor.

Most of those companies interested in taking over from Rabobank are based in Holland, as confirmed by Richard Plugge, communications manager of the Dutch training in  Wielerrevue .

Plugge explains why interest is so great because "companies see a team with an organization among the best in the world and they see that their talents can go far."

Moreover, the bank guarantee submitted Rabobank ICU, his place in the WorldTour seems assured. Giant and Shimano who have already confirmed their support.

For the rest of formations, the female ensemble led by Marianne Vos has a secure future. "Men and women are in the same package. All potential sponsors and want to know that," says Plugge. If there is a new sponsor, Rabobank will continue its support to the 2016 Olympics.

Similarly, the continental team will continue under the auspices of the National Federation and Rabobank as sponsor of clothing. As not compete as a national team, foreign cyclists, as the Germans and Ruben Zepunkte Rick Zabel, continue.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=56781 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=56781)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on November 02, 2012, 13:10
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13200/Former-Rabobank-team-continuing-negotiations-with-potential-new-sponsors.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13200/Former-Rabobank-team-continuing-negotiations-with-potential-new-sponsors.aspx)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: froome19 on November 02, 2012, 14:03
Well at least it can only get better for Rabo :D
But tbh it seems like the team will be unaffected in terms of riders come next year..

Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: Slow Rider on November 02, 2012, 14:57
Quote
While the men’s team is under a certain degree of pressure to sort out a new arrangement, the women are in a more secure position. Plugge clarified what is a separate arrangement for them. “Rabobank said that whatever happens, the women’s team will continue,” he said, confirming that they are safe until the next Olympics.

“If the team does not find a new sponsor in the years following next season, then Rabobank has said it will guarantee that the women will be supported.”

This means that not only will Olympic and world champion Marianne Vos be guaranteed backing, but so too will her team-mates.

:win :win :win
We kind of knew that already, but at least now it's confirmed. Women's team to continue :)

For the men, seems they are looking good to continue as well. New sponsor, better kits (they can't get any worse.. can they?), hopefully more demands on the riders to perform.. Yep, I'm looking forward to seeing what a new sponsor could do for the team.
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: cj2002 on November 02, 2012, 16:22
I don't know whether this has surfaced already, but the initial 15 ProTour teams have been released by the UCI:

LINK (http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails2011.asp?id=ODg0OA&MenuId=MTYzMDQ&LangId=1&BackLink=%2FTemplates%2FUCI%2FUCI8%2Flayout%2Easp%3FMenuID%3DMTYzMDQ%26LangId%3D1)

It does include "Former Rabobank", so whoever comes in to sponsor the men's team will be sponsoring a top tier team.

I know we suspected it, but it's nice to have it confirmed.

Further discussion of the contents of that list in the appropriate thread: LINK (http://velorooms.com/mens-road-cycling/world-tour-and-pro-conticonti-teams-2013/30/)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on November 21, 2012, 12:48
Giant decides against becoming title sponsor of the Rabobank team

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giant-decides-against-becoming-title-sponsor-of-the-rabobank-team (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giant-decides-against-becoming-title-sponsor-of-the-rabobank-team)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2012, 12:59
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabobank-confirmed-as-blanco-pro-cycling-team-in-2013 (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabobank-confirmed-as-blanco-pro-cycling-team-in-2013)
Title: Re: Rabo GONE
Post by: LukasCPH on December 13, 2012, 14:12
Ah, but as soon as Rabobank and its orange colour is gone from the kit, the riders will no longer crash. And the DSs will no longer make stupid tactical decisions.
2013 will be the most successful season Rabobank has ever had. ;D
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: froome19 on December 13, 2012, 16:25
Their kits are in the other threads seems like this is the thread for them so here is their bike:

(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/701486107.jpg?key=640480&Expires=1355416875&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=NkqVfUX9ISPeckoDme7Rpersu7rfyrDYD~sLrMZkyuiUHAcVthzW1--jt9706A2RcJtDzJOUFNGUncdmUXpFcuOwqFEhVm3hmyow0khY-FPIyOE2JfKHCInzHHXDqD2E4lpBkVUkzHIaGMkTNASu0ebQsHSdgYsivc8sFYo2agw_)
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2012, 17:22
Introducing Blanco Pro Cycling Team (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjCeignan5U#ws)
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2012, 17:30
I knew they signed Renshaw for something beside coming 9th in sprints

Voice overs  :win
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on December 13, 2012, 22:18
So Gesink's programme will start at the Ruta del Sol, first main goal will be Paris-Nice. No classics, but training in Tenerife during that time. Then Romandie and the Giro, and then the Tour. Kelderman and Kruijswijk will be there with Gesink at the Giro.
Mollema will likely peak for the Ardennes again, where he did quite well last year. He will be the leader at the Tour alongside Gesink and Ten Dam (though normally Mollema should be leader and the other two superdoms). Hopefully Kruijswijk will be allowed to lead the Vuelta after that with Ten Dam, since I think it will be too hard for Kelderman.

The team will need results to attract sponsors, and this does seem like the right way to do it. Gesink can achieve podiums or even wins at Paris-Nice, Romandie and the Giro. Mollema can provide some success at the Ardennes, he won't win a major classic probably but particularly in LBL he could reach top-5 or podium imo. At the Tour he can provide the obligatory GC top-10 and with luck perhaps challenge for a stage.

Good to see the team formerly known as Rabobank changing it up. Looking forward to seeing them in action next year.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on January 15, 2013, 08:35
(http://cdn0.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/12/15/1/blancotrainingfuerteventura_063_220.jpg)
Quote
"To be honest, for two days I was sh*tting myself," Tanner told Cyclingnews. "I'd come onto a team that had been one of the best in the world ever since I'd been watching the Tour de France, and then one day you get an email saying that a sponsor who has been in the sport for 17 years has stopped, so that was not a nice feeling. But once the story and the situation we're in became clear to us, I relaxed a little bit more. For me, the main thing is that the team races as normal for 2013."





http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tanner-primed-for-new-beginning-at-blanco-pro-cycling (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tanner-primed-for-new-beginning-at-blanco-pro-cycling)
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Havetts on February 01, 2013, 23:21
Totally forgot to post this graph, inspired by that other place

(http://a3.img.mobypicture.com/efae0309b8982c1b9e672ba8adb5e3ae_large.jpg)

Training ride by Gesink, 405 watts average for 30 minutes, if we take his weight according to Dutch wiki (68 kg), that averages out at 5,96 w/kg. Not sure what to say about it, seems quite a form already for this time of the season. :o
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Jamsque on February 03, 2013, 03:04
Form in training has never been Gesink's problem
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on February 03, 2013, 06:59
Form in training has never been Gesink's problem

No the laws of physics havebeen.

For every skinny cyclist cycling at 55 km/h that hits the road the road hits back at the same force
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on February 26, 2013, 08:07
So we and others have had some discussions 're Rabo continued armchair sponsorship resulted in lesser results from Dutch cycling and rabo it's self

After win number 10 for the year before March has even started I think we can say yes, funny what having a fire lite under someone's assume can do . ;)

If I was going to sponsor Blanco next year I would sign on for 1 year with options for years after, and watch the results.

Ofc winning culture and all that helps but even Renshaw is winning. This effect is ofc seen everywhere, IAM new team doing well, might fall back next year ?

But 3 WT teams and a fire under the oversupported rabo children and Dutch cycling has never looked so healthy.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on February 26, 2013, 08:51
Didn't Rabo have a great early season last year as well? Once the serious races started they stopped winning though. I'll hold my judgement on whether the extra pressure has helped until they actually win something decent: a (semi-) classic, PN or TA, or a Giro stage, podium and/or jersey.

But yet, it's looking quite good for Dutch cycling. We're the only country in the world actually dealing with our sh*t (in a flawed way, admittedly, but still), but that's for the Dark Side. We have quite some commercial interest in cycling, a few companies are apparently interested in Blanco. Our youth system is perhaps the best in the world, and there are three well-established teams waiting to pick up those youths and further develop them. We have Rabobank as a sponsor to thank for most of that: without their stable 'armchair' sponsorship, none of this would have been possible. They got Dutch cycling off the ground, and Vacansoleil and Argos profit from it.

But yes, it did reduce the pressure on the big Dutchies a bit. If the youth, continental, womens and offroad teams can survive this by continued sponsorship from Rabobank and perhaps other sponsors stepping in, having more pressure from sponsorship can only improve the Blanco team. As long as they do find that new sponsor, though from what I hear things are looking good.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: L'arri on February 26, 2013, 09:11
So we and others have had some discussions 're Rabo continued armchair sponsorship resulted in lesser results from Dutch cycling and rabo it's self

After win number 10 for the year before March has even started I think we can say yes, funny what having a fire lite under someone's assume can do . ;)

If I was going to sponsor Blanco next year I would sign on for 1 year with options for years after, and watch the results.

Ofc winning culture and all that helps but even Renshaw is winning. This effect is ofc seen everywhere, IAM new team doing well, might fall back next year ?

But 3 WT teams and a fire under the oversupported rabo children and Dutch cycling has never looked so healthy.

It goes without saying that this is a period in which cycling desperately needs credibility and, perhaps moreso, a bit of consistency. Surprisingly, the history and recent fallout of Rabobank has not yet sparked any sort of review or debate on the two-way street of cycling sponsorships.

It's worth looking back at when Rabobank first appeared in 1996 - there may be some parallels there worth exploring:

Dutch cycling itself was pretty healthy, though the proliferation of programmes had damaged the Pax Beneluxis (sic), an hegemony over one-day racing that had been enjoyed by Raas, Post and Priem up to then.

Perhaps more seriously though, the European economy was fragile after a sustained recession which saw commercial opportunities heralded and eulogised in rapid succession. Meanwhile, traditional backers tended to downgrade and regionalise their cycling activities as recovery came slowly. TVM's co-sponsors changed almost annually and Raas went through several name changes while exploring the cash-rich but unpredictable new world of technology.

Rabobank stepped in and vacuumed up an impressive array of talent in its début season. Look at the novel promotional pictures, in which everyone is seen to be chatting like old friends.

(http://www.teoretiskcykelklub.dk/rabobank1996_colnago01.jpg-for-web-normal.jpg)

I was not aware of the extent of the initial commitment Rabobank made, i.e. whether or not a sixteen year stint investing in all levels of the sport was always the plan, but from modest beginnings came the pressure for results and results always come at a price.

There is some, still fairly quiet speculation about Rabobank's demands on the team and I would certainly like to hear more about that.

What the demise of Rabo has left, however, is not only plenty of uncertainty for the riders and staff, but also what a potential sponsor can expect from the sport today.

This latter aspect is what distinguishes the time of Blanco from that of Rabo.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on April 09, 2013, 13:18
NOS embedded in Blanco during the Tour (http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/6504/Tour-de-France/article/detail/3422834/2013/04/09/NOS-tijdens-Tour-embedded-in-Blanco.dhtml)

The NOS will be following the day-to-day progress during the Tour within the Blanco team for a documentary to be broadcast this autumn. All doors are open to the NOS camera, the riders will be followed the entire day: breakfast, medical care, racing, team strategy discussions, all will be filmed. Should make for a very interesting documentary, and might help Blanco in their sponsor search as well.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: LukasCPH on April 09, 2013, 22:01
More Rabobank-related, but as this is basically still the same team...

I went to an event with Matti Breschel tonight.
One of the topics was food, and he mentioned that they weren't as "modern" in that area as Saxo Bank, citing as examples that they sometimes had pommes frites for dinner during races (no idea how often), and that there was sometimes a bowl with gummy bears in the team hotel.
He also said that he'd almost signed with Sky instead of Rabobank 2,5 years ago (would have been interesting to see how that would have worked out).
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on May 15, 2013, 14:46
just trying to get clarification from my insider at Belkin !!!
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on May 23, 2013, 08:52
Blanco = Belkin = more international team = no more Dutch Holiday camp

wants to be on the jersey for the TDF

TourdeJose reports these guys are out of contract end of the year

Einde contract bij Blanco zijn Bol, Brown, Ten Dam, Van Emden, Flens, Garate, Leezer, Martens, Renshaw, Slagter en Van Winden.

Reno ‏@renovandael 50m
From the Telegraaf article re Blanco, Team SKY has shown interest in Lars Boom and Orica-GE are keen on TJ Slagter.

which means brownie probably goes as well  to sky :cool:
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: killswitch on May 23, 2013, 13:45
Blanco = Belkin = more international team = no more Dutch Holiday camp

wants to be on the jersey for the TDF

TourdeJose reports these guys are out of contract end of the year

Einde contract bij Blanco zijn Bol, Brown, Ten Dam, Van Emden, Flens, Garate, Leezer, Martens, Renshaw, Slagter en Van Winden.

Reno ‏@renovandael 50m
From the Telegraaf article re Blanco, Team SKY has shown interest in Lars Boom and Orica-GE are keen on TJ Slagter.

which means brownie probably goes as well  to sky :cool:

Hopefully having a new non-Dutch sponsor will give the lazy riders like Boom etc. the kick in the ass they need.

Also they should send Delahaye to Coldeportes. Would love to see Ryo's reaction.  :D
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on June 01, 2013, 08:47
http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/wielersport/21612737/__Nieuwe_sponsor_Team_Blanco__.html

2.5 year deal

Suisse will be last race for blanco
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: L'arri on June 01, 2013, 09:07
Great news but at the same time, I think every team that brings in a big new sponsor needs to really show that the sport can handle itself responsibly.

Team Belkin, as I can now call it, must now be an example for others to point to when trying to attract sponsorship. Pro cycling has much to prove and this team is a metaphor for that.

As has been said above, the Dutch character of the team is set to change and hopefully that will mean a good yard sale at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on June 01, 2013, 12:35
Great news for the team. Now time for a clean-out, and then some good new signings. Which Americans may be available this year? I'm sure Belkin would want some in their team.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Blackbandit222 on June 01, 2013, 18:41
TourdeJose reports these guys are out of contract end of the year

Einde contract bij Blanco zijn Bol, Brown, Ten Dam, Van Emden, Flens, Garate, Leezer, Martens, Renshaw, Slagter en Van Winden.

I wouldn't sign any of these guys other then Renshaw or Slagter.

I'd raid Vacansoliel first for Westra n De Gendt.

As for American's I'd go after Bontragers young guns as well as Optum's Hanson, Haga & Zirbel.


USA NAT RR
1.               RODRIGUEZ Fred       JBC       4h06'56"       100   
2.               BOOKWALTER Brent       BMC              60   
3.               REIJNEN Kiel       UHC              50   
4.               JACQUES-MAYNES Ben       JSH              40   
5.               MANNION Gavin       BLS              35   
6.               FAIRLY Caleb       GRS              30   
7.               KING Edward       CAN              25   
8.               HOWES Alex       GRS              20   
9.               BUSCHE Matthew       RLT              16   
10.               BALDWIN Christopher       BPC              12   
11.               ZIRBEL Tom       OPM              10   
12.               BROWN Nathan       BLS              9   
13.               JONES Carter       BPC              8   
14.               BUTLER Christopher       CSS       09"       7   
15.               EUSER Lucas       UHC       12"       6   
16.               DRISCOLL Jamey       JSH       16"       5   
17.               GAIMON Phillip       BPC       33"       5   
18.               HAGMAN Alex       JBC       04'08"       5   
19.               JONES Christopher       UHC       04'08"       5   
20.               DUGGAN Timothy       TST       05'44"       5   
21.               JENKINS Max       5HR       05'44"       0   
22.               MURPHY John       UHC       05'44"       0   
23.               ANTHONY Jesse       OPM       05'44"       0   
24.               SCHMITT Morgan       JBC       05'44"       0   
25.               WREN Tyler       JSH       05'44"       0   
26.               RATHE Jacob       GRS       05'44"       0   
27.               PIPP Frank       BPC       07'12"       0   
28.               FARABAUGH Adam       GQC       07'12"       0   
29.               FARRAR Tyler       GRS       07'12"       0   
30.               SUMMERHILL Daniel       UHC       07'12"       0   
31.               HAGA Chad       OPM       07'12"       0   
32.               WILLIAMS David       5HR       07'12"       0   
33.               ZWIZANSKI Scott       OPM       07'12"       0   
34.               BEYER Chad       CSS       07'12"       0   
35.               CANDELARIO Alex       OPM       07'12"       0   
36.               STEMPER James       5HR       07'12"       0   
37.               LOUDER Jeff       UHC       07'12"       0   
38.               BURNETT Ian       JBC       39'00"       0   
39.               SHELDEN Taylor       5HR       39'00"       0   
40.               CLARK Oscar       HSD       54'00"       0   
41.               MCCARTY Jonathan Patrick       BPC       54'00"       0   
42.               PUTT Tanner
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on June 01, 2013, 19:24
I wouldn't sign any of these guys other then Renshaw or Slagter.

I'd raid Vacansoliel first for Westra n De Gendt.

As for American's I'd go after Bontragers young guns as well as Optum's Hanson, Haga & Zirbel.

Add Ten Dam, great mountain domestique for a GC rider. Has always suffered from his teammates crashing out or being worse than him, but for a good leader he could do some great work imo. A team like BMC could really use him. Parhaps Garate could find a place at a nice team. The rest are indeed hardly the highest level and may be better off in a pro-conti team.

As for Americans, I don't know those guys that well really, but some young talents could be interesting for Blanco/Belkin.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on June 01, 2013, 19:32
Beyer or Butler might be worth another go Butler probably

Garate I would re sign and if I resign Bos I am also re uping Brownie
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Dim on June 01, 2013, 19:34
Be interesting to see if Belkin do make any requests. THey are American but they are pretty much a world wide company now so I cant see them making many demands, but I can imagine they want one or two for marketing in the US.

Good news for Blanco though. Surprised that Belkin are putting in the title sponsor amount. Pretty good news for teh sport. Its a surprise that more technology companies arent getting involved.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: August on June 02, 2013, 02:55
Will Blanco/Belkin now be registered as a US team? Or remain registered as a Dutch team? If they sign any Bontrager youngsters I hope they don't get affected by the Rabo curse. 
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: L'arri on June 02, 2013, 06:40
Will Blanco/Belkin now be registered as a US team? Or remain registered as a Dutch team? If they sign any Bontrager youngsters I hope they don't get affected by the Rabo curse.

It will remain Dutch, I think, but there will doubtless be some roster changes. If I were buying US riders, the young guys would be my target, blank canvas and all that.

A bit early to say but apart from a stronger early showing and a bit of management shuffling, Belkin doesn't seem all that different from Rabo. Very softly softly in recent  stage racing. Bos was going well prior to Turkey and there were some notable early results but it's still been fairly modest.

Definitely need to look beyond Mollema, Kruijswijk and Gesink for GTs.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on June 02, 2013, 07:46
Wilco did well at the giro

But G-sink should move somewhere

Garmin or bmc be a good fit for mind

Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: LukasCPH on June 02, 2013, 08:33
Will Blanco/Belkin now be registered as a US team? Or remain registered as a Dutch team? If they sign any Bontrager youngsters I hope they don't get affected by the Rabo curse.
You can't switch country of registration halfway through a season.
They may well turn "American" next year - or not. It's in name only anyway for WT teams; Astana had both a Luxembourg and a Swiss license in past years.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Blackbandit222 on June 02, 2013, 12:56
Clearly, US riders are not in favor even with teams with major US interests like BMC & Radioshack.

The only real American team is Garmin and that has a very international roster.


Americans on WT Teams

AG2R LA MONDIALE   FRA ------------------ 0
ASTANA PRO TEAM   KAZ------------------ 1  (US Bicycle sponsorship)
BELKIN PRO CYCLING TEAM   NED ------- 0
BMC RACING TEAM   USA ------------------ 4  (US Registered, and clothing sponsor)
CANNONDALE PRO CYCLING   ITA--------- 1   (Several US sponsors, including Title sponsor)
EUSKALTEL EUSKADI   ESP------------------- 0
FDJ   FRA---------------------------------------- 0
GARMIN SHARP   USA------------------------ 9 (US Registered, and several US sponsors, including Title sponsor)
KATUSHA   RUS----------------------------- 0
LAMPRE-MERIDA   ITA------------------------- 0
LOTTO BELISOL   BEL------------------------ 0
MOVISTAR TEAM   ESP------------------------ 0
OMEGA PHARMA - QUICK-STEP CYCLING TEAM   BEL ---- 0 (US Bicycle, component and wheel sponsors)
ORICA GREENEDGE   AUS ------------------ 0
RADIOSHACK LEOPARD   LUX ------------- 3     (US Title and Bicycle sponsors)
SKY PROCYCLING   GBR------------------------ 3     (No US Sponsors ???)
TEAM ARGOS-SHIMANO   NED------------- 1      (US Bicycle and clothing sponsor)
TEAM SAXO-TINKOFF   DEN-------------------1      (US Bicycle, component and wheel sponsors)
VACANSOLEIL-DCM PRO CYCLING TEAM   NED---------------- 0

I think Belkin should shoot for an International roster largely made of Dutch riders.

Meaning most of the open spots should go to Non Dutch riders.


Quote
Einde contract bij Blanco zijn Bol, Brown, Ten Dam, Van Emden, Flens, Garate, Leezer, Martens, Renshaw, Slagter en Van Winden.

Riders under contract for 2014
NED 11
AUS 2
BEL 2
GER 1
NOR 1
ESP 1

Riders
BOBRIDGE Jack   AUS   13.07.1989
BOL Jetse   NED   08.09.1989
BOOM Lars   NED   30.12.1985
BOS Theo   NED   22.08.1983
BROWN Graeme   AUS   09.04.1979
CLEMENT Stef   NED   24.09.1982
FLENS Rick   NED   11.04.1983
GARATE Juan Manuel   ESP   24.04.1976
GESINK Robert   NED   31.05.1986
GOOS Marc   NED   30.11.1990
KRUIJSWIJK Steven   NED   07.06.1987
LEEZER Thomas   NED   26.12.1985
MARTENS Paul   GER   26.10.1983
MOLLEMA Bauke   NED   26.11.1986
NORDHAUG Lars Petter   NOR   14.05.1984
RENSHAW Mark   AUS   22.10.1982
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   ESP   24.11.1983
SLAGTER Tom Jelte   NED   01.07.1989
TANKINK Bram   NED   03.12.1978
TANNER David   AUS   30.09.1984
TEN DAM Laurens   NED   13.11.1980
TJALLINGII Maarten   NED   05.11.1977
VAN EMDEN Jos   NED   18.02.1985
VAN WINDEN Dennis   NED   02.12.1987
VANMARCKE Sep   BEL   28.07.1988
WAGNER Robert   GER   17.04.1983
WYNANTS Maarten   BEL   13.05.1982
Neo
HOFLAND Moreno   NED   31.08.1991
KELDERMAN Wilco   NED   25.03.1991



Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: barrus on June 03, 2013, 22:37

I think Belkin should shoot for an International roster largely made of Dutch riders.

Meaning most of the open spots should go to Non Dutch riders.



Belkin has said that they want a more international roster without such a heavy Dutch influence that it has currently, this would probably mean that most of the Dutch riders out of contract will not be resigned (perhaps solely the rising stars or just generally the young guys) and that the other Dutch riders at least won't be as certain of a spot as they have been for the years under Rabo. This could certainly mean that we will slowly see most of, but probably not all, of the Dutch riders being slowly faced out while only retaining those that prove that they can perform on a high level and either consistently get results, or those that are perfect in a supporting role. This could also well mean that the salaries of most of these Dutch riders might become a bit lower than they are now
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on June 05, 2013, 14:09
Not sure that would be the best route.

Some Dutch talent there that would benefit from being kept and nurtured.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: cj2002 on June 05, 2013, 16:38
The problem with having a local focus like that is that there is a risk of overlooking someone talented simply because they're from a different country. Euskaltel being a prime example of not having a successful recruitment policy. I think Sky have recognised the need to sign from abroad to keep the roster strong, and it would benefit everyone at Rabo/Blanco to do the same.

Renshaw will move to OPQS, Slagter is linked with OGRE. But of the other Dutch riders Blackbandit struck through, would any of them be missed at WT level? And even the non-Dutch: Garate and Brown are on the downward slope. I do rate Martens, though, and I'm sure he'd pick up a ride somewhere.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: Blackbandit222 on June 05, 2013, 17:55
The problem with having a local focus like that is that there is a risk of overlooking someone talented simply because they're from a different country. Euskaltel being a prime example of not having a successful recruitment policy. I think Sky have recognised the need to sign from abroad to keep the roster strong, and it would benefit everyone at Rabo/Blanco to do the same.

I do rate Martens, though, and I'm sure he'd pick up a ride somewhere.


Rabobank has add foreigners like Friere, Flecha and Lulu.   However, recent additions like Renshaw, Breschel and Nordhaug haven't been as fruitful.

I like Martens too, but he could probably benefit from a change of scenery.
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on June 17, 2013, 07:51
I assume Belkin will remain *nl reg does anyone know for sure ?
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: search on June 17, 2013, 09:07
yep, changes of nationality come into effect at 1st of january

Quote
2.15.051 The nationality of the UCI ProTeam is determined, at the UCI ProTeam’s choice, by:
  • The country of the registered office of the paying agent; or
  • The country of the registered office of the holder of the licence; or
  • A country where a product or service is marketed by the or a main sponsor under the name of the UCI ProTeam or of a component of this name.
The UCI administration must be informed of this choice at the latest by 1st October before the first year of the licence. Failure to do so will result in the nationality of the UCI ProTeam being determined by the country of the registered office of the paying agent.

The choice of the nationality of the country of the registered office of the paying agent is valid for the entire duration of the licence and cannot be changed, except if the Professional Cycling Council approves a new paying agent which has its registered office in another country, in accordance with article 2.15.061. In the latter case, the UCI ProTeam may make another choice in accordance with the first paragraph.

The choice of the nationality of a country where a product or service is marketed by the or a main sponsor under the UCI ProTeam’s name or component of this name is valid for the entire duration of the licence and cannot be changed except if the main sponsor concerned no longer holds this status. In the latter case, the UCI ProTeam may make another choice in accordance with the first paragraph.

The change of nationality comes into effect on 1st January following its notification to the Professional Cycling Council.[/i]
Title: Re: Blanco Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on June 24, 2013, 08:59
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNgYkkTCIAA-ePW.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: L'arri on June 24, 2013, 11:18
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on June 24, 2013, 13:07
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/784254444.jpg?1372075609)
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on June 24, 2013, 13:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3OEQghefnA
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on June 24, 2013, 13:15
3 years well 2.5 will remain Dutch in identity
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on June 24, 2013, 13:20
I know most kits are now three panels of differing colour thanks to the original Leopard one, but this is pretty nice.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: LukasCPH on June 24, 2013, 14:40
The new jersey - it looks alright.
It would look way better if it wasn't a carbon copy of another jersey:

Crelan-Euphony                   Belkin
(http://www.cqranking.com/men/images/Teams/2013/CRE.gif) (http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/784265844.jpg?1372077916)
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Dim on June 24, 2013, 16:17
#belkin < nearly.. just doing it now
#crelan < hmmmm
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on June 24, 2013, 16:28
Certainly nowhere near the worst I have seen I have to say.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Blackbandit222 on June 24, 2013, 20:20
http://www.belkin.com/uk/c/WSPCT

Maybe I'll get a phone case, but no Galaxy SII  :ohno:
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: August on June 24, 2013, 20:59
LOL! I see what they're doing, they give us a fake crappy jersey to lower our expectations, then at the Tour they reveal their good jersey that they will ride in. That's what their doing...right? God, please tell me that is what their doing....

Seriously though, one of the worst jersey's I have ever seen.  :disapointed
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on June 25, 2013, 09:59
haha... its divisive then :)
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: froome19 on June 25, 2013, 13:31
It is very.. un-dutch  :D
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on June 25, 2013, 14:03
It's just not spectacular in any way- not spectacularly bad or good, just a boring and predictable jersey in a vein we see many of in the peloton today. It is very clean though, with (by the looks of it) no names on it other than Belkin, Giant, and the UCI logo. That in combination with its colour scheme may make it a popular buy for recreational bike riders.

Could have been much better, but they did only have 2 weeks... Perhaps they'll give us a great jersey next year, when they have some actual time to prepare it. Until then I guess it'll do, at least it's a lot better than the Blanco jersey.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Francois the Postman on June 25, 2013, 16:42
It will be interesting to see what happens to the way the Dutch watch cycling now a distinctly Dutch team is folding its orange banner.  It's a new world.

Rabo managed to retain a 'total' Dutch identity even with a constant foreign legion in the squad (on the whole Spanish and Menchov, with the odd American). They were an intrinsic part of its backbone and success story, and were also, somehow, treated as if they were Dutch, the moment they joined the squad. Sometimes even after they left (Freire and Flecha). It was indicative of how stroong team-support was, and how natural it came to the Flatlanders. The swing to 'even more native orange' was only a very recent one.

Now, without an obvious orange team to root for, and Vacansoleil stepping away as as sponsor too, I could see cycling losing quite a bit of its natural support and public broadcast foot if Team Belkin can't retain a strong Dutch (leader) whiff. I don't think it wants to, nor do I argue it should. That the orange is completely gone is not by accident.

I'm just curious to see what will happen.

In this New Rabo-less World, there is no new Dutch star team to emerge any team soon, as far as I can see. We simply haven't got the riders to cluster, and there, evidently, is not a cash-rich national sponsor willing to take the plunge at this point in time. Hence Belkin.

Orange Rabo could easily retain national interest even with mostly good 2nd tier results, but it might have been too long without real Dutch success stories, and the national dress code, for a team-less nation to retain the sort of interest that so far has come natural to the Low Lands. With Sporza as the preferred broadcaster for many, rather than the NOS, it might have a bigger impact than you'd expect.

We are slowly losing the (fairly) national squads bit by bit, and I am not convinced that in the old heartland, this is helping cycling. In those parts, cycling reached people who you would never expect to tune in for 3 hours of not much happening really.

Gesink on Garmin would be experienced very differently, and I doubt if the Dutch would even be talking about him the way they have now. Pro Cycling might have just become a much harder sell, over in Dutchland.

I presume this means that the Rabo development programme is also gone. That would arguably be a bigger loss to cycling, and certainly to Dutch development opportunities, than losing half of the orange jerseys in the bunch.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on June 25, 2013, 17:11

I presume this means that the Rabo development programme is also gone. That would arguably be a bigger loss to cycling, and certainly to Dutch development opportunities, than losing half of the orange jerseys in the bunch.

The development program and team will continue under the Dutch cycling union KNWU. Rabobank will even continue to support it, if I remember correctly. There will be some questions about its budget probably, not sure they'll be able to continue on the scale they have now, but it seems they will not fold.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on June 28, 2013, 12:46
http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/tour-de-france-2013/21687230/__Angst_voor_gat_in_begroting_Belkin__.html

Giant may opt out of its contract with Belkin and switch to supporting Argos. The Belkin team's future is still in doubt since it is unsure how much Belkin will invest in the team and how much Rabobank will continue to pay. Giant may prefer the stability of Argos. This would be a disaster for Belkin, since Giant brings not only the bikes but also some 3 million euro per year. Would be great news for Argos though.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: pastronef on July 23, 2013, 10:15
http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/tour-de-france-2013/21687230/__Angst_voor_gat_in_begroting_Belkin__.html

Giant may opt out of its contract with Belkin and switch to supporting Argos. The Belkin team's future is still in doubt since it is unsure how much Belkin will invest in the team and how much Rabobank will continue to pay. Giant may prefer the stability of Argos. This would be a disaster for Belkin, since Giant brings not only the bikes but also some 3 million euro per year. Would be great news for Argos though.

any news on Giant-Argos deal?
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on July 23, 2013, 12:10
any news on Giant-Argos deal?

I haven't heard anything in the media. Apparently the deadline for Giant to get out of the contract was July 1st, and since we haven't heard anything I'm assuming Giant stays with Belkin.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: pastronef on July 23, 2013, 17:03
I haven't heard anything in the media. Apparently the deadline for Giant to get out of the contract was July 1st, and since we haven't heard anything I'm assuming Giant stays with Belkin.

team-argos-giant domain has been registered

https://twitter.com/CyclingiQ/statuses/351598482907340800

http://wschange.com/new/2013/06/19/teamargosgiant.com
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on August 03, 2013, 14:40
In the Volkskrant (read in paper version, not sure there's an online one) Gesink confirmed he will target Tour GC again next year. He found this year a useful experience, but says nothing motivates him than riding the Tour for himself.

Hopefully that means Mollema will ride the Giro-Vuelta double, since he has a realistic chance of reaching the podium of either one, and if he's lucky with some others crashing out or not showing up he could even win.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: pastronef on August 10, 2013, 08:32
team Belkin will ride BIANCHI bikes from 2014  :wut

(giant goes to Argos)
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: LukasCPH on August 10, 2013, 09:34
team Belkin will ride BIANCHI bikes from 2014  :wut
Fits with that light green colour, hopefully it'll become true celeste for next year.
But that also means #vacansoleil will be no more ... :(
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 10, 2013, 14:19
Fits with that light green colour, hopefully it'll become true celeste for next year.
But that also means #vacansoleil will be no more ... :(

That green is part of Belkin's corporate identity: they won't simply drop it.  Not an easy blend with Bianchi's corporate tone.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: LukasCPH on August 10, 2013, 14:28
That green is part of Belkin's corporate identity: they won't simply drop it.  Not an easy blend with Bianchi's corporate tone.
Yeah, I'm afraid so.

Maybe they could make the lower part of the jersey (that is now black) celeste? Obviously with black shorts.
That way, you'd have both the Belkin green and a jersey reminiscent of the old #bianchi.
They'll probably mess it up though. :S
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on August 14, 2013, 16:21
Without advertising another site there is a decent Belkin/Celeste mock up on BR's forum.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: August on August 14, 2013, 16:41
Can't see them dropping the green for celeste like is in that mock up though, the green is the color of their title sponsor after all. If they use any celeste it will be in combination with the green.

Is Bianchi going to be one of the title sponsors? like Trek was with Radioshack, or Cannondale was with Liquigas? Or are they just providing the bike?
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on August 15, 2013, 10:10
Just the bikes I think... so it may just be a collars and cuffs type of thing.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on August 19, 2013, 14:19
In other news... you can be part of the team...


www.teambelkinfans.com

Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on September 03, 2013, 14:59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZY_o6k9BNo

Reno ‏@renovandael 5m
NOS were embedded at the Tour. Docu on TV onm Saturday. Here's a preview
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2013, 14:23
Tour de Bauke


Dutch with English subtitles. Nos Doco 're Belkin tdf 2013

Full version
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 29, 2013, 18:21
 Meanwhile, the old sponsor's recently discovered moral compass seems to have gone on the blink.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24730242
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Ram on October 29, 2013, 18:42
{snigger}

They weren't the only ones doing it, they were merely doing it to keep up with the Barclays and RBS.....


Anyway, six years, resignations and sackings till 2011, and only restructuring their Euribor & Libor compliance policy in '12, to whatever extent. 5 down, a dozen more to go.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on October 29, 2013, 18:59
I'm glad the team now known as Belkin got rid of Rabobank as a sponsor. The last sponsor you'd want as a team is an unreliable bank that is constantly involved in scandals. The team put up with a lot during the years and continued to honour agreements with the bank, but this latest report just shows again how much there is wrong in the banking world. Good thing at least this will not further affect the sport of cycling, or the Belkin team.

:P
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: DB-Coop on October 29, 2013, 19:21
Meanwhile, the old sponsor's recently discovered moral compass seems to have gone on the blink.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24730242

such a short road from "a moral company" to "amoral company" really.

Honestly though if I was the customer of a big bank and it wasn't acting amoral I would be worried. Seems to me there are two kinds of big banks, 1 that is amoral and earn a lot of money abusing 3rd world countries, and one that is amoral and screwing over its costumers.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on December 17, 2013, 06:20
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gesink-finalizes-2014-racing-schedule
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Havetts on December 17, 2013, 06:42
Will probably end up in failure once again. Eventhough I secretly hope every year finally the talent he has will come to fruition, but I dont think it will. Means Keldermerckx will win the Giro though :D :D.

:gesink
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on December 17, 2013, 06:45
About time for Steven to show something an annomius top 10 result ofc
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on December 20, 2013, 18:01
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2013-report-card-team-belkin
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on January 09, 2014, 21:22
Steven interview in *es

http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/steven-kruijswijk-la-hora-de-despertar/ (http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/steven-kruijswijk-la-hora-de-despertar/)
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 15, 2014, 13:55
A date for the diary of all Mollema fans:

http://twitter.com/gcntweet/statuses/423452327874682880
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on January 24, 2014, 09:59
Not a bad start to the season, especially Gesink.

Until he falls off, of course.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on February 07, 2014, 15:53
Is anyone else a member of the fan club?

I was in the Vacansoliel one, but now they have expired I am looking for a new team to stalk.

www.teambelkinfans.com
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Slow Rider on March 27, 2014, 15:03
Vanmarcke re-signs at Belkin; 2 more years (until end 2016). Excellent news for the team, he will develop into a top classics rider, if he isn't one already of course.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Sport/article/detail/3623594/2014/03/27/Vanmarcke-langer-bij-Team-Belkin.dhtml
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: Blackbandit222 on March 27, 2014, 17:26
 :(   Boom has been upsetting as has much of Belkins roster.  I hope Hivert performs as well as Slagter has for Garmin.
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on April 02, 2014, 16:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZeqj_7VAbs
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on April 08, 2014, 08:17
https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/453427322126077952
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on July 02, 2014, 07:00
"Most of the team stands together in an attempt to save the team," Plugge told Algemeen Dagblad. "Many riders have given us time to find a sponsor. We have until August 1 before they start to make sure that they can support themselves in the future."

Belkin riders offer deadline on search for new sponsor (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/belkin-riders-offer-deadline-on-search-for-new-sponsor)
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: just some guy on October 01, 2014, 06:32
https://twitter.com/raykerckhoffs/status/517168607332401153

So Jumbo 2nd title sponsor

TEAM Lotto.nl .

PScan a staff change the title to Lotto.nl. please
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: search on October 01, 2014, 07:37
no, lets wait for a proper name to be announced

this one is worse than 1t4i or whatever it was
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: pastronef on October 01, 2014, 09:54
ok, better now. it will be Lotto-Jumbo against Lotto-Soudal. I think I'll call them Jumbo, and that's it  :P
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: search on October 01, 2014, 10:01
T-E-A-M (or why is that in capital letters?!) Lotto punt n-l

Jumbo
Title: Re: Belkin Pro Cycling
Post by: froome19 on October 14, 2014, 16:33
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: just some guy on February 17, 2015, 09:52
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZftiVQmsS4
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: pastronef on April 26, 2015, 22:27
last post if from February

this says a lot about Rabo-Belkin-Lotto 2015 season

bad luck for Keldermann in Amstel (and lost the Andalucia TT after the movistar guy was helped a bit by motorbikes)

Ten-Dam as usual will go for 8th in the Tour. let's see how the guys go at Giro (Krujswjik is training for the Giro now on Teide)

maybe is the curse of the Bianchi frames?  :lol
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: DB-Coop on April 26, 2015, 22:48
last post if from February

this says a lot about Rabo-Belkin-Lotto 2015 season

bad luck for Keldermann in Amstel (and lost the Andalucia TT after the movistar guy was helped a bit by motorbikes)

Ten-Dam as usual will go for 8th in the Tour. let's see how the guys go at Giro (Krujswjik is training for the Giro now on Teide)

maybe is the curse of the Bianchi frames?  :lol

Yes, although I think it is more the strength of the roster to be fair. Sep is awesome, but after him it goes down fast.

Sep was unlucky all spring, and now the most exiting person on the roster is Gesink.

Kelderman seems limited in what he can do, and TdF with no real ITT seems a poor match.

Ten-Dam, well you said it

Krujsvijk at the Giro has a nice top 10ish ring to it

But really it comes down to Gesink to fuel their hope, and I'm not sure that is a good thing

Never thought I would say it, but having Bos on the roster now would be nice.
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: LukasCPH on April 27, 2015, 16:47
Never thought I would say it, but having Bos on the roster now would be nice.
:lol

You know a team sucks when it's come down to that.
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on August 14, 2015, 13:52
No offer of a contract for Laurens Ten Dam as yet.

He is out injured and missing the Vuelta. Could he be off?  :(
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: L'arri on August 14, 2015, 16:16
No offer of a contract for Laurens Ten Dam as yet.

He is out injured and missing the Vuelta. Could he be off?  :(

Seems likely. Gesink in the Tour has sort of saved the season for #jumbo because it comes to something when you're cheering a couple of solitary TT stage wins.
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on August 14, 2015, 16:38
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ten-dam-looking-for-a-us-team-and-with-offers-on-the-table/

I think it is a shame Lotto will not be renewing Ten Dam's contract, he is a guy easy to like, rock and roll, no nonsense. A bit like me to be fair, only he is a bit better in cycling, I am in football so that equals ;)

I think he should go to the States for his last few years, he loves it there, free as bird.

Great guy, shame on Lotto.

[of course I understand their decision with Kruijswijk and Keldermerxkce coming through but this one is a real racer]
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: search on August 14, 2015, 18:09
interesting, I wouldn't really have expected the US to be an option with a 1 year old at home. But he already said two years ago "My dream, or even more so my wife’s dream, would be to live in Santa Cruz and ride for a small American team", so his family would probably be happy to come with him
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: Leadbelly on August 14, 2015, 18:35
small American team

Cannondale it is then.  :P

Hasn't Gesink expressed similar thoughts (about riding/living in the States) in the past or is that a figment of my imagination?
Title: Re: Lotto BrandLoyalty
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on August 14, 2015, 18:48
or is that a figment of my imagination?
I think it is, yet I am not such a Gesink knowitall.
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 29, 2015, 18:27
http://www.teamlottojumbo.com/cycling-news/erik-dekker-leaves-team-lottonljumbo (http://www.teamlottojumbo.com/cycling-news/erik-dekker-leaves-team-lottonljumbo)

Erik Dekker won't be a DS at the team anymore, after 23 years at the same team in its various #rabobank #blanco #belkin #jumbo guises.
"The reason behind this decision is a difference in vision regarding the sportive guidance in the future." :slow
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on November 30, 2015, 12:03
Interesting.

You can read a number of things into that statement and a number of reasons.
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: just some guy on January 27, 2016, 11:25
(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2016/01/Sep-Vanmarcke1-660x440.jpg)

http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/01/news/vanmarcke-in-search-of-luck-as-he-aims-for-classics-win_393973
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on January 27, 2016, 11:58
Plucky but not lucky.

Hope its his year, because I fear he might miss out if not.
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: Echoes on July 15, 2016, 11:45
"PARIS-ROUBAIX is the most beautiful race", says Maarten Wynants' wife, Stephanie in an interview for today's Belang van Limburg.  :cool

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/437798MaartenWijnants.png)

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Maarten has never been a real dreamer. He was already happy to get a pro contract after that mountainbike adventure. His biggest wish was to race the Tour of France and in hindsight he was hoping of a stunt in Paris-Roubaix. It's the most beautiful race and besides if everything falls into place the good helpers also have their share of the cake there. Just look at Hayman this year or at Vansummeren in 2011

Maarten's greatest moment was in 2012 when Boonen was his 4th and Maarten - then his teammate - played a big part in the win. He who can be 10th or 12th, 14th or 15th as domestique may rightly expect more.

She also says that a rider cannot afford to stand still after tragedies such as those of Antoine Demoitié and Stig Broeckx but he was deepl affected b Weylandt's passing. He's now more aware of cycling's dangers.
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: DJW on January 24, 2017, 13:16
http://www.teamlottojumbo.nl/cycling-news/lottonljumbo-sends-groenewegen-to-dubai-kruijswijk-to-valenciana?utm_source=Direct


 #jumbo Valenciana

Victor Campenaerts

Stef Clement

Twan Castelijns

Jos van Emden

Martijn Keizer

Steven Kruijswijk

Primoz Roglic

Jurgen Van den Broeck


 #jumbo Dubai

Dylan Groenewegen,

Amund Grøndahl Jansen

Gijs Van Hoecke

Tom Leezer

Juan José Lobato

Timo Roosen

Bram Tankink

Maarten Wynants
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: just some guy on February 22, 2017, 13:30
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/834394463673913344
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: Not My Circus on December 14, 2017, 11:07
#jumbo Lotto Jumbo send JJ Lobato, Antwan Tolhoek and Pascal Eenkhoorn home from training camp for taking or being in possession of a  (non-doping-related) sleep medication that was not provided by or used in the team.

https://twitter.com/LottoJumbo_road/status/941076075387514880
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: t-72 on April 09, 2018, 14:41
This has been known for about a week already, but I wanted to post some good news today:

https://twitter.com/LottoJumbo_road/status/982228243133513728

Would you have guessed he was beating both #uae Kristoff and #didata Edvald Boasson Hagen in the Paris - Roubaix and in the post-race interviews was a bit angry with himself,  said he could have been top 10 with a little bit more bravery in the battle for positions.

Very solid performances in the spring classics! This one is a good wine and will improve with age under good conditions!
Title: Re: Team LottoNL-Jumbo news
Post by: Leadbelly on April 25, 2019, 08:55
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1121298027006787584

Jumbo Devo in the works. They already have a link up with De Jong Renner and that's one place they will probably get some of the riders from. Metec have some good Dutch youngsters they could purloin as well, but the best ones are at SEG and they might see no need to join a different team.