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Title: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 28, 2012, 15:36
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The following is a far from complete list of current team staff, doctors, and soigneurs with World Tour teams, linked to doping either as riders, or as part of the team management. Credits to http://dopeology.org (http://dopeology.org) for a lot of the information. This is a work in progress, more links, details, and sources will be added gradually. The point of this isnt to target particular teams, say some are dirty, some clean, but to show that for cycling to truly move forward, there are deep ingrained issues that need to be addressed, people who need to be open and honest about their pasts.


Ag2r-La Mondiale
  Daniele Tarsi (Doctor at the doped Casino team)
  Vincent Lavenu (Manager at the doped Casino Team)
  Laurent Biondi (Sporting Director - Original sacked in 2005 after being arrested in relation to doping allegations. Re-Hired in 2007. Part of the Ton Ton Tapis team in 1990[1]

Astana
  Andrea Andreazzoli (Doctor, named in Mantova)
  Marco Pallini  (Doctor Named In Mantova)
  Alexander Vinokourov (Director from 2013 - served doping ban)
  Simone Uliari (Doctor - has worked with Conconi - +Grazzi, Casoni, Manfredini - in the past[2]

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BMC Racing Team
  Jim Ochiwicz (Former DS at Motorola, reported in the USADA evidence as having a doping program)
  John Lelangue (DS - formerly the manager of Phonak)
  Andy Rihs (Sponsor and now owner. Owns Phonak. USADA reports name him as funding Landis's doping)
  Max Testa (Doctor with Motorola, Mapei)
  Giovanni Ruffini (Doctor with Mapei)
  Yvon Ledanois (Joins BMC for 2013, Client of Dr Mabuse - Bernard Sainz - , ex movistar director)
  Dario Spinelli  (Doctor - worked with Mapei with Testa and Ruffini)
  Max Sciandri (DS - Formerly at Motorola, client of Luigi Cecchini, member of Cecchini's famous olympic podium clean sweep)[3]
  Freddy Viaene (Soigneur - Named/Redacted in the USADA documentation)

Euskaltel-Euskadi
  Raquel Ortolano (Doctor - Liberty  Seguros from ?-06, Astana 07-09)[4]
  Sergio Quilez (Doctor - Liberty  Seguros 05-06)
  Alvaro Gonzalez de Galdeano (Sports Director - Positive for nandrolone as a rider)

FDJ-BigMat
  Marc Madiot (manager, former doper - admitted doping "only in criteriums", accused of being a doping manager by Erwann Menthéour who rode for him in 1997 and tested positive, later confessing)
  Former home of Fabio Bartalucci, now at Sky

Garmin-Sharp   
  Jonathan Vaughters (Owner - Admitted doping in the USADA investigation)
  Johnny Weltz (DS - Rode for ONCE, worked at Motorola, Postal, CSC)

Orica-GreenEDGE
  Matt White (DS - admitted doping - Dismissed by the team ref (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/orica-greenedge-dismisses-matt-white))
  Neil Stephens (DS - Formerly a sporting director at Liberty Seguros and Astana. Rode for Festina and admitted taking EPO but claims that it was given to him without his knowledge and he thought they were vitamins)
  Manuel Rodriguez Alonso - Spanish Olympic Commission 96, 00, 04; ONCE 2000; Mapei 01-02; QST 03-04 (Sinkewitz named him as an administrator of dope); Real Madrid 07-09[5]
  Daniele Nardello (Sporting Director - Rode between 1994 and 2002 for the infamous Mapei team, and in the following years for the equally infamous Telekom team, both of which had team wide doping.)[6]

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Team Katusha [7]
  Hans-Michael Holczer (Director - Former Director at Gerolsteiner, resigned after the Kohl and Schumacker positives) - Holczer was dismissed at the end of 2012 to be replaced by.....
  Viatcheslav Ekimov (Former Postal rider, Redacted Rider #11 on the USADA reports. )
  Slawomir Blaszczyk ("Physio" at Gerolsteiner)
  Thomas Klimaschka (Doctor Phonak 2005/06)
  Massimo Besnati (Doctor at Mapei and Footon with Taus. Prosecuted for possession of steroids in 2001 after raids at the Giro. Allegedly just deals with muscle pain and posture related injuries)
  Dr Andrei Mikhailov (Doctor at TVM - was the doctor at the centre of the 1998 scandal[8] )
  Christian Henn (Sports director, admitted doping while at Telekom)
  Erik Zabel (Coach, admitted doping in 2007)
  Mario Chiesa (Sports Director - Rode at Carrerra, investigated in 2001 and 2004 (Ferrara))[9]
  Gennady Mikhaylov (Sports Director - Rode four years at Postal before then joining Astana)
  Besnati (Doctor - worked with Batik-Del Monte 97, Riso Sotti 98-99, Milram 07)
  Mikhailov (Doctor -  Collstrop 99, Lotto around 01, Unibet 07)
 
Lampre-ISD[10]
  Giuseppe Saronni (Manager - Named in the Mantova Investigation)
  Fabrizio Bontempi (Sports Director - Named in the Mantova Investigation)
  Pietro Ronchi (Doctor Lampre 02/03-present)
  Sandro Lerici (Sports Director - Arrested in the Soprani raids)
  Orlando Maini (Sports Director - formerly at Mercatone Uno, LPR and Tinkoff. Investigated and acquited in the Bologna trials)
  Maurizio Piovani (Sports Director, Arrested in the Soprani raids, named in the Mantova Investigation)
  Carlo Guardascione (Doctor - Named in Mantova Investigation)
  Fabio Della Torre (Massuer - Named in Mantova Investigation)

Liquigas-Cannondale
  Emilio Magni (Doctor - Mercatone Uno 00, Fassa 01-04)
  Roberto Corsetti (Doctor - One of the redacted others in the USADA documents)
  Alberto Volpi (Sports Director - Positive test as rider, missed test, Gewiss investigation, Ferrara investigation)
  Mario Scirea (Sports Director - Raided as part of the Oil for Drugs raids in 2004)
  Fabrizio Settembrini (Soigneur, formally with Mercatone Uno, raided in 2001)

Lotto-Belisol
  Mark Sergeant (Sports Director - twice positive as a rider, 13 April 1983 (Ruta del Sol) and 1985 Grote Scheldeprijs. Rode for three years for the notorious Panasonic team.)
  Mario Aerts (Sports Director, investigated in 2001, on the Telekom team)

Movistar Team
  Eusebio Unzue (Manager - Needs no introduction, dirtier than a tramp at glastonbury)
  Jesus Hoyos (Doctor - Illes/Banesto - Raided in 2001)
  José Luis Arrieta (Sporting Director, rode for the dodgy Banesto team, investigated in the 2001 raids, famously referred to Valverde as "never testing positive")
  Yvon Ledanois (Sports Director - arrested during the Cofidis raids while riding for FdeJ)

Omega Pharma-Quick Step
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  Patric Lefevre (Manager - Former manager of the exceedingly dodgy Mapei team. Accused by the belgian press in 2007 of doping Link (http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan24news))
  Ibarguren Taus (Doctor - Saunier Duval, doping products found in car and more)[11]
  Brian Holm (Director - admitted doping as a rider)
  Rolf Aldag (Director - Admitted doping as a rider)
  Yvan Van Mol (Doctor - GB - MG Maglificio, Mapei and then Quickstep. Named by three riders of having administered HGH, EPO, Caffeine, Testosterone, Cortisone)[12]
  Tom Steels (Sports Director - Long time rider at Mapei, one of the riders raided in 2002)
  Rik Van Slycke (Sports Director - tested positive as a rider)
  Jo Planckaert (Driver - convicted in 2008 for his role in the Landuyt  affair)
  Davide Bramati (Sports Director - Long time rider for Mapei, raided in 2001)
  Dirk Nachtergaele (Soigneur - Dirk is an interesting one, a full time soigneur with the team until recently, he is now part time as Tom Boonens Soigneur - has a very interesting history[13] )
Toon Cruyt (Doctor - Also accused by Partick Sinkewitz of administering doping products)

Rabobank
  Jeroen Blijlevens (Sporting director from 2013 - Member of the 1998 TVM Squad thrown out of the Tour de France for doping - alleged positive for epo ref (http://nos.nl/archief/2004/nieuws/index.html#@http://nos.nl/archief/2004/nieuws/dossiers/doping/2001/artikelen/2905_tvm_affaire.html))
  Eric Breukink (Coach - dismissed in Sept 2012 - Rode at PDM, Once)

RadioShack-Nissan
  Johan Bruyneel (Sports Director - needs no introduction)
  Kim Anderson (Sports Director - Tested positive, banned for life, then reduced, then tested positive again)
  Pedro Celaya (Doctor - named in the USADA investigation. No longer with the team)
  Geert Duffeleer (Director of Operations - Heads Bruyneel sports management, cook, soigneur and gopher. Named in USADA investigations)

Team Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank
  Bjarne Riis (Confessed doper and named by Hamilton as sending riders to Fuentes)
  José Pepi Marti (Doctor, named in USADA files, formerly at Astana)[nb]Marti never "formerly" joined the team. Contador tried to bring his trainer to the team when he sign but the Danes said no, however Contador continued working with him, and the team allowed Pepe certain unofficial access to the team. Contador allegedly stopped working with Marti after the 2011 Giro d'Italia.
  Fabrizio Guidi (Sports Director, raided in 2004, tested positive in 2005 while at Phonak)

Team Sky
  Gert Leinders (Doctor Rabobank - now dismissed)
  Bartalucci (Doctor Busted in 2001 but not charged) - No longer listed on Sky Staff
  Sean Yates (Formerly at Motorola and DS at Discovery Channel - now left the team)
  Bobby Jullich (Coach, admitted doping  - now dismissed)
  Steven de Jongh (Sporting Director - Rode for the TVM Squad that was raided and discovered with ampules of EPO in 1998 - Admitted doping [14]
  Servais Knaven (Sporting Director - Rode for the same TVM squad as Steven de Jongh, and Blijlevens, alleged positive for EPO in 1998[15])

Vacansoleil-DCM
  Pieter Lagrou (Doctor - Previously at Astana 2008-2009, where he formed a three man team with Pedro Celaya and Day Elslande along with Contadors trainer Pepe Marti[16]) - Now at Saxo Bank 14/3/13
 1. Ton Ton Tapis is an interesting team with numerous links to doping. Dirk Nachtergaele was involved with the team in 1991 - See OPQS for information on Dirk - And they picked up two medals in the 90/91 worlds, Biondi himself also picked up a World Championship in 1990
 2. co-authored studies - http://www.nextbio.com/b/search/author/S%20Uliari (http://www.nextbio.com/b/search/author/S%20Uliari)
 3. Luigi Cecchini is one of the famous Francesco Conconi's disciples, but tends to live in the shadow of Michele Ferrari. He is no less brilliant though. Cecchini was Bjarne Riis's coach from 1992 and was by his side when he won his now discredited Tour de France. Cecchi has also worked with Tyler Hamilton, Jan Ullrich, Allesandro Pettachi, and David Millar while he was at Saunier Duval after returning from his ban. Cecchini moved to CSC as team doctor through till 2004. He also famously trained all three of the medal winning riders in the 1996 Olympics. More info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Cecchini)
 4. Moves back to Astana for 2013
 5. Not to be confused with Manuel Rodriguez Bastida, sacked from Rock for 'no reason', sacked from Xacobeo for refusing to dope
 6. Nardello finished three years in a row in the top ten of the Tour de France.  In October 2012, Eurosport noted that all the riders who finished ahead of him in the 1998, 1999 and 2000 Tours de France had subsequently tested positive, confessed to doping, or had been linked to doctors known to provide doping. Nardello is also cited in the USADA file as the guy who intimidated Simeone during the Tour of 2004 after he was reeled in by the peloton in the 18th stage.
 7. This list does not include the countless staff that rode for the infamous Gerolsteiner team
 8. The TVM squad were thrown out of the tour - see De Jongh, Knaven and Blijlevens. Mikhailov was found guilty of supplying EPO and got 1 year probation and a fine of 60,000 French Francs
 9. The Ferrara investigation centred around the work done at Francesco Conconi's lab at the Ferrara University. One of the Carrerra team doctors Giovanni Grazzi was assistant to Conconi at the University. This official judicial investigation concluded that the riders of the Carrera team were administered EPO in 1993. In 1997, Claudio Chiappucci told prosecutor Vincenzo Scolastico that he had been using EPO since 1993 but later withdrew his statement.
 10. Multiple riders, and staff from Lampre are involved and named in the Mantova Investigation. The full list of non riders listed in the investigation are as follows (not all are currently associated with Lampre) : Jose Ibarguren (Doctor), Andrea Andreazzoli (Doctor), Fabrizio Bontempi (DS), Fabio Della Torre (Massuer), Sergio Gelati (Trainer), Sebastian Gilmozzi (Courier), Carlo Guardascione (Doctor), Guido Nigrelli (Pharmacist), Paolo Pezzini (Masseur), Mariano Piccoli (Courier), Maurizio Piovani (DS), Guiseppe Saronni (Manager)
 11. Taus is an interesting case. He was accused in 1999 by Festina soigneur Willy Voet on Belgian TV. of doping riders at Lotto. In 2000 he moved to Banesto where according to Thomas Davy had "a system of doping under medical supervision". Then he moved onto Lampre and in 2002 his campervan was stopped, searched and found to contain Cortisoids, Syringes and numerous doping products. The Lampre team was of course the home of Raimondas Rumsas, Barbero and Bortalami. he then moved to Euskaltel before going to Saunier Duval for the heady days of Ricco, Peipoli and Iban Mayo. Team Manager Giannetti banned doping on the team so Ibarguren starting keeping the products at his home.
 12. In 2007 Ivan van Mol confessed that he was aware of doping riders at Mapei, especially with Growth Hormones, but he denied being complicit in the doping. http://www.dhnet.be/dhjournal/archives_det.phtml?id=680035 (http://www.dhnet.be/dhjournal/archives_det.phtml?id=680035)
 13. Nachetergaele was originally a massuer to Johann Bruyneel and Lapage. Then worked for Panasonic, Mapei and Quickstep, working with Bortalami (whos doctor was Ibarguren Taus),  Museeuw, Eric Vanderaerden and in 2012, Boonen. A few years ago he had this to say of Museeuw  "Good times I have been there with Johan Museeuw, especially since his glory period coincided with mine" - Interestingly it was allegedly Dirk that told Lelange not to employ Freddy Viaene. He also speaks very highly of Richard Virenque, in fact Virenque dedicated his Tour de France stage win in 2004 to him, winning on Dirks birthday
 14. Admitted doping during the earlier part of his career http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_8208971,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_8208971,00.html)
 15. Along with de Jongh, Knaven was part of the squad that was thrown out of the 1998 Tour for doping. ref (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling-tvm-teams-riders-took-drug-cocktails-1184236.html) - Allegedly his 1998 samples held by authorities tested positive for epo ref (http://nos.nl/archief/2004/nieuws/index.html#@http://nos.nl/archief/2004/nieuws/dossiers/doping/2001/artikelen/2905_tvm_affaire.html)
 16. It was the Astana team of 2009 that was the target of a French investigation where transfusion products were found dumped in the trash
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 28, 2012, 15:38
You'll be working on this forever once you get to Liquigas.  ;D
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Arb on October 28, 2012, 15:43
Garmin  - Weltz, Chann(?)
Astana - Martinelli, Vino
OPQS - Holm, Aldag, Lefevre
OGE - Nardello, Lapage(?)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: froome19 on October 28, 2012, 15:46
Anyone with the title Doctor prior to their name should be bolded.. imo those are the staff who are afar and away the dodgiest..
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: lucky on October 28, 2012, 15:54
all doctors btw

Astana
Simone Uliari - has worked with Conconi (+Grazzi, Casoni, Manfredini) in the past, co-authored studies - http://www.nextbio.com/b/search/author/S%20Uliari (http://www.nextbio.com/b/search/author/S%20Uliari)

BMC
Max Testa - worked with MG-Technogym + Asics too.
Dario Spinelli - worked with Mapei with Testa and Ruffini

Euskaltel
Raquel Ortolano - Lib Seg from ?-06, Astana 07-09
Sergio Quilez - Lib Seg 05-06

GreenEdge
Manuel Rodriguez Alonso - Spanish Olympic Commision 96, 00, 04; ONCE 2000; Mapei 01-02; QST 03-04 (Sinkewitz named him as an administrator of dope); Real Madrid 07-09
[not to be confused with Manuel Rodriguez Bastida, sacked from Rock for 'no reason', sacked from Xacobeo for refusing to dope]

Katusha
Besnati - worked with Batik-Del Monte 97, Riso Sotti 98-99, Milram 07
Mikhailov - Collstrop 99, Lotto around 01, Unibet 07

Lampre
Carlo Guardascione - Saeco 99 (at the latest)-04
Pietro Ronchi - Lampre 02/03-present

Liquigas
Emilio Magni - Mercatone Uno 00, Fassa 01-04

Movistar
Jesus Hoyos - Illes/etc - 01-present

OPQS
Yvan Van Mol - Mapei 95 (at the latest)-02


Some teams (such as the Italians and Movistar, and obviously all after OPQS I haven't finished yet. Also there are specifics I haven't posted - investigations and riders implicated while they were there etc. I'll post the spreadsheet of all Drs somewhere when I'm done at some point this week)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 28, 2012, 15:58
Segui is not an Astana doctor as such, just in case you got that from Dopeology. Don't forget that Dopeology is "associated with" rather than "works for". So Segui is associated with Astana via Di Grégorio.

Plus, what's with Nardello? Didn't think there was any serious dirt on him - people like to put him on their "Tour podium without convicted dopers" lists.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 28, 2012, 16:13
Don't forget to check with http://velorooms.com/the-doping-section/the-small-world-of-world-tour-team-staff/ (http://velorooms.com/the-doping-section/the-small-world-of-world-tour-team-staff/)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 28, 2012, 18:47
updated, thats as much as i have so far...
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on October 28, 2012, 19:13
Katusha is missing the great saviour

Ekimov
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 28, 2012, 21:09
few more names, including an interesting one at Omega Quickstep, Dirk Nachtergaele..
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 28, 2012, 22:02
Vaconsoliel Staff list.. Anyone recognise anybody, because im buggered if I do.
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Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Michielveedeebee on October 28, 2012, 22:16
Madiot? Why :(
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 28, 2012, 22:35
Madiot? Why :(

because he admitted doping in 2006, said he only doped "in criteriums" bizarelly. Will put links to the allegations of running a doping team presently.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: search on October 29, 2012, 00:10
Vaconsoliel Staff list.. Anyone recognise anybody, because im buggered if I do.

Jean-Paul van Poppel is missing on that list, he is currently DS at Vacansoleil. He never tested positive but there were several suspicions I think - no idea how that ended up in the end
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 29, 2012, 00:38
Jean-Paul van Poppel is missing on that list, he is currently DS at Vacansoleil. He never tested positive but there were several suspicions I think - no idea how that ended up in the end

yeh, the ds's are on a different list, but theres nothing on any of them. Jean Paul Van Poppel has rumours, but nothing beyond that. On the whole, they appear to have got team staff from outside teh usuall circles.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Vlaanderen90 on October 29, 2012, 00:51
Ortolano is leaving Euskaltel and heading to Astana for next year, fwiw.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2012, 06:51
Katusha is missing the great saviour

Ekimov

why does Eki not make the list ?
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 29, 2012, 08:25
The staff of both Vacansoleil and Argos (not WT yet, but...) have no confirmed histories and as such they deserve plenty of credit.  :tu

Off the top of my head, JPVP probably rode the Tour in '91 with PDM's intralipid team but we must remember the fact that intralipid was still nothing more concrete than highly suspect.

Besnati seems also to have worked for Alessio which had a considerable number of doping problems.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Slow Rider on October 29, 2012, 08:54
It's good to see that there are some teams at least we can have faith in. Vacansoleil and Argos, but also Lotto, Rabobank (present not past), Garmin, and possibly FDJ, AG2R and Sky. At least it's clear us Dutchies are doing something right here ;)

Still disappointing how few teams that are, and how many of the teams continue to affiliate themselves with dodgy characters.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2012, 08:59
what is not know though is - are they still dodgy

if a rider can dope for a few season but then change their mindset so can a DS

and the reverse ofc a DS who has been anti doping says flip it lets keep our team alive
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: cj2002 on October 29, 2012, 11:11
Is it worth marking which of those you've listed are "reformed" characters. Forgive me for returning to my tried-and-tested line of "past behaviour is no indication of current behaviour", but I've seen Madiot hailed alongside JV as someone known for running a clean team. (Unless I've been misreading things...).

It certainly doesn't seem fair to tar JV - who is open about his past and his present, and is running a clean team - with the same brush as Bruyneel or Riis.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on October 29, 2012, 12:32
Dirk Nachtergaele... also involved with Ton Ton Tapis in 1991. Curiously Francis Moreau and Dirk De Wolf both medalled at World Champs in 1990/1991.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on October 29, 2012, 12:42
Michel Corneillese (sp?)... had a 'rep' for 'lighting-up' when he was a rider...
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 29, 2012, 13:39
Ah, my favourite period of pro cycling!   :D

De Wolf was a weird flash in the pan. Zero to hero just like that and back again almost as fast. Was he what technology people call an "early adopter"?  ;D

I do vaguely remember Cornelisse from back then. Doesn't have a super palmarès but he certainly hit a purple patch in 1991.

Kind of surprised he made it onto a team as big as TVM though. That's a bit big-league for him, although if what you say is true, he will no doubt have felt at home there. ;)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 29, 2012, 14:48
Is it worth marking which of those you've listed are "reformed" characters. Forgive me for returning to my tried-and-tested line of "past behaviour is no indication of current behaviour", but I've seen Madiot hailed alongside JV as someone known for running a clean team. (Unless I've been misreading things...).

It certainly doesn't seem fair to tar JV - who is open about his past and his present, and is running a clean team - with the same brush as Bruyneel or Riis.

The JV Question was raised yesterday, but the list isnt just about "which teams are dirty", just a demonstration of how many people in the sport have a "past". My personal view as it has been all along is that Sky's approach may not be the right one.

A case in point: BMC

they have a whole host of incredibly suspect staff, but conversely, actually, on the surface appear to be one of the cleaner teams. Young guys like Phinney speaking up, but ive also heard interesting rumours from several sources that new signings such as Hushovd and Gilbert were actually told prior to signing NOT to dope. Now wether or not this was because Ochs and co were worried about the extent of the USADA investigation, or wether its because they are genuinly trying to create a clean environment on the team is one that will be debated.

The point is, BMC could make a huge statement and gain themselves huge amounts of credibility in the eyes of the fans, press etc, if key members such as Ochs, Lelangue, Testa, or Sciandri were to come out and say "look guys, this is what we all did in the past, we arent proud of it, but we are being open, and we are trying now to move forward with a clean approach".

Its not about which team is dirty, which team is clean, which staff have dodgy pasts, but about which staff perhaps need to come forward, admit to their past, and express a desire to change the sport.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on October 29, 2012, 15:20
Ah, my favourite period of pro cycling!   :D

De Wolf was a weird flash in the pan. Zero to hero just like that and back again almost as fast. Was he what technology people call an "early adopter"?  ;D

I do vaguely remember Cornelisse from back then. Doesn't have a super palmarès but he certainly hit a purple patch in 1991.

Kind of surprised he made it onto a team as big as TVM though. That's a bit big-league for him, although if what you say is true, he will no doubt have felt at home there. ;)

1990 Worlds RR was a strange race indeed... reports in Flanders newsapapers at the time were of Dhaenens 'waking at three am' to go training as to adjust his body clock for Japanese time! (Don't forget Rudy was riding for PDM at the time...) Both he and De Wolf were so dominant in the race it was a joke.

Cornelesse also rode on Panasonic, and a small Belgian Kermesse team called 'La William'... how he ever won Tour of Luxemburg being primarily a rider for the flat one-days opened a few eyes at the time too! (Nice guy though...)

Dirk was a solid pro, considered not to be a thinker... good strong domestique. Goes to show what a good soigneur will do...  ;)

Edit: Just remembered another name that raises suspicion: Laurent Biondi. Again linked to the Ton Ton Tapis team in 1990 (when surprise surprise he wins the worlds pro points race...) Later worked as DS for AG2R... not sure who he's with now...
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Flo on October 29, 2012, 15:21
I thought Marti was no longer in team Saxobank
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 29, 2012, 15:22
Someone posted a link to this thread on the bmc facebook page.

their response

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It's not our place to censure things, Philip. But we will point out that the credibility of that list is undermined by the numerous spelling errors in many of the posts.

My response

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the spelling errors are my fault,I wrote the initial post and i do suffer mild mental health issues and struggle with spelling. My bad. I will do my best to go through and correct the spelling errors.

I will say something which I have re-iterated in the post but will say it here for those following the link. The list is in now way meant to be an accusation of which teams are "dirty" or "clean" etc, but a demonstration of how the sport in every time, inevitably has links to the past, links we cant escape from.

Its my personal opinion, based on comments by guys like Taylor Phinney, but also on things ive heard on the grapevine that BMC are one of the teams that are doing their best to drive forward in a positive way (if you'll excuse the pun), and do the right thing by the sport. Huge numbers of people in the sport have a past, from guys like Vaughters and Dave Millar who are now a vocal part of the Anti Doping fight, to guys like Bobby Jullich, dismissed from Sky (I believe wrongly) for admitting his past.

The list demonstrates just how many people have a past, whether it be through doping themselves as a rider, being part of a dubious team setup, or merely by association, but i think the sport has a great opportunity right now. Teams or individuals that come forward and say "yes, we might have done this in the past" or "I did some things im not proud of but i want things to be different" will get the full support of the fans, and if anything, fans will have a greater respect for them for being open and honest about the "dark times" and showing a desire to genuinely change things for the future.

https://www.facebook.com/BMCProTeam/posts/448283865218103?notif_t=share_comment (https://www.facebook.com/BMCProTeam/posts/448283865218103?notif_t=share_comment)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 29, 2012, 15:30
1990 Worlds RR was a strange race indeed... reports in Flanders newsapapers at the time were of Dhaenens 'waking at three am' to go training as to adjust his body clock for Japanese time! (Don't forget Rudy was riding for PDM at the time...) Both he and De Wolf were so dominant in the race it was a joke.

Cornelesse also rode on Panasonic, and a small Belgian Kermesse team called 'La William'... how he ever won Tour of Luxemburg being primarily a rider for the flat one-days opened a few eyes at the time too! (Nice guy though...)

Dirk was a solid pro, considered not to be a thinker... good strong domestique. Goes to show what a good soigneur will do...  ;)

Interesting stuff!  8) I reckon Rudy would probably still be working in cycling if he were alive today.

That 3am stuff sounds like the classic nightly exercises to prevent blood clotting, doesn't it?
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 29, 2012, 15:33
Someone posted a link to this thread on the bmc facebook page.

their response

My response

Spelling errors undermine credibility. That is hilarious. Now your 'mild mental health issues' will certainly kill any remaining scrap of credibility you had with them, Dim.  ;D You're just another mental Internet troll.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on October 29, 2012, 15:41
Some food for thought...

Sky...
Yates... obv.
Servais Knaven: TVM & Domo- Farm Frites... (both teams known in the bunch for liking the needle...) Milram & T-Mobile... not to mention time with Quickstep...
Marcus Ljungquist: Cantina Tollo (with Matt White) / Credit Agricole / CSC
Steven de Jongh: TVM & Rabo (Now gone)
Nicolas Portal: Caisse d' Epargne (retired due to 'cardiac trouble')
Shane Sutton: obv. Speak to Daryl Webster and other pros of his era...
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Havetts on October 29, 2012, 18:35
Disclaimer; This is from memory, I have currently no way to review the Avondetappe because im on a German IP and because this internet is horribly slow. Any Dutch person (and Belgians, but not sure) can view the Avondetappe broadcasts here (http://nos.nl/dossier/385020-tour-de-france-2012/).

Regarding Michel Cornelisse, he was on the Avondetappe (Dutch talk show during the Tour) this year during the Tour de France. They talked about how he won the Tour of Luxembourg as his biggest win in his career. So he started talking. He was in one of those crazy breakaways in which he finished second, who took a ridiculous amount of time. I think he was the best placed in that breakaway, so he gained the leaders jersey.

Every stage after that he one he lost (a lot of) time, but was the only one from the previously mentioned breakaway to have a motive to keep riding 100% full gas. In the end he (barely) won the GC.

Again, if im wrong; memory didnt work properly then :P.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on October 29, 2012, 19:17
Disclaimer; This is from memory, I have currently no way to review the Avondetappe because im on a German IP and because this internet is horribly slow. Any Dutch person (and Belgians, but not sure) can view the Avondetappe broadcasts here (http://nos.nl/dossier/385020-tour-de-france-2012/).

Regarding Michel Cornelisse, he was on the Avondetappe (Dutch talk show during the Tour) this year during the Tour de France. They talked about how he won the Tour of Luxembourg as his biggest win in his career. So he started talking. He was in one of those crazy breakaways in which he finished second, who took a ridiculous amount of time. I think he was the best placed in that breakaway, so he gained the leaders jersey.

Every stage after that he one he lost (a lot of) time, but was the only one from the previously mentioned breakaway to have a motive to keep riding 100% full gas. In the end he (barely) won the GC.

Again, if im wrong; memory didnt work properly then :P.

I don't quite recall it the same way, but to be frank I was out the arse most days! I guess freak-days like that do happen (I once ended up in the break at Trophee des Grimpeurs, and on a mountain stage in Asturias, so yep, anything can happen!) I've suffered on his wheel far too many times to believe he's squeaky clean.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: search on October 29, 2012, 19:43
Just remembered another name that raises suspicion: Laurent Biondi. Again linked to the Ton Ton Tapis team in 1990 (when surprise surprise he wins the worlds pro points race...) Later worked as DS for AG2R... not sure who he's with now...

he is still directeur sportif (http://www.cyclisme.ag2rlamondiale.fr/equipe/encadrement.asp) at AG2R. He was sacked in 2005 after spending a night in jail for doping investigations (http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2005/03/05/dopage-biondi-en-detention-dans-une-affaire-de-pot-belge_400407_3242.html) but returned in 2007 (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/biondis-back-in-le-peloton)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 29, 2012, 20:18
he is still directeur sportif (http://www.cyclisme.ag2rlamondiale.fr/equipe/encadrement.asp) at AG2R. He was sacked in 2005 after spending a night in jail for doping investigations (http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2005/03/05/dopage-biondi-en-detention-dans-une-affaire-de-pot-belge_400407_3242.html) but returned in 2007 (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/biondis-back-in-le-peloton)

You're right and you've reminded me, thanks. :tu I originally recorded Biondi in Dopeology and then turned him off because he walked free, but since then I started to record arrests regardless of the outcome. So he needs re-illuminating. He's still in the database, he's just "turned off" at the moment.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: lllludo on October 30, 2012, 14:54
True Nardello has never been tested positive  ;)
However he was member of MAPEI between 94 and 2002 & Telekom 2003-2006 where leaders & key helpers systematically took EPO.
Furthermore he's cited in the USADA file as the guy who intimidated Simeone during the Tour'2004 after he was reeled in by the peloton in the 18th stage.
May be the Puerto trial or Ferrari's case in november will tell us more about Daniele ...
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 30, 2012, 15:51
Vacansoleil staff : Pieter Lagrou worked with Astana betwee 2007 to 2009
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on October 30, 2012, 16:40
Crap! Just deleted a paragraph worth of info on Lotto... ::)

To paraphrase:
Marc Sergeant - Links to the Panasonic 'doping' system under Peter Post.
Mario Aerts - as mentioned.
Herman Frison - Histor-Sigma, Tulip (some rumours, nothing more), Lotto under JL VDB.
Bart Leysen - (Unsure if he's with Lotto or Katusha at present) Lotto under JL VDB, Mapei...
Marc Wauters - very interesting career, including stints as rider with Lotto, and Rabobank.
Michel Elijzen - Rabo conti, Rabobank, Cofidis, Lotto...

Jean Pierre Heyndrickx is a guy that needs looking into.
Funny story when we raced against one another: I always got along really well with him, and when we were at Ronde van Midden-Zeeland in 89 or 90 I remember riding up behind him and slapping his arse... he went utterly mad at me, cursing and carrying on... I didn't realise until a bit later that I'd inadvertantly burst his bubble of amphets! So much for slow release!

As I say, a lot of supposition but if anyone's got spare time, could be worth looking into.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 30, 2012, 18:18
...
Marc Sergeant - Links to the Panasonic 'doping' system under Peter Post.
...

I know that Sergeant tested positive in his career as a rider, but I can't publish it because I haven't seen the source myself.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 30, 2012, 18:19
You're right and you've reminded me, thanks. :tu I originally recorded Biondi in Dopeology and then turned him off because he walked free, but since then I started to record arrests regardless of the outcome. So he needs re-illuminating. He's still in the database, he's just "turned off" at the moment.

Biondi is back "on". It's worth noting however that he successfully appealed his criminal conviction.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 31, 2012, 16:01
Added: Nardello, Biondi
Not Yet Added: Sergeant, Frison, Leysen, Wauters, Elijzen, or Heyndrickx
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 31, 2012, 16:03
Added: Nardello, Biondi
Not Yet Added: Sergeant, Frison, Leysen, Wauters, Elijzen, or Heyndrickx

Can give you the reference for Sergeant but I haven't seen it so I'm not 110%. It's an old print edition of L'Equipe, I think. Dates back to '84 or something like that.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 31, 2012, 16:14

Jean Pierre Heyndrickx is a guy that needs looking into.

Was trying to remember were i knew his name from. He was the boss at Topsport Vlaanderen, along with Walter Planckaert when Freddy Knolf died in Qatar.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on October 31, 2012, 19:43
Was trying to remember were i knew his name from. He was the boss at Topsport Vlaanderen, along with Walter Planckaert when Freddy Knolf died in Qatar.

Holy crap... that's not good news at all. Walter's been a naughty little Plankaert in his day too! Thanks for the heads-up Dim.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on October 31, 2012, 19:46
Can give you the reference for Sergeant but I haven't seen it so I'm not 110%. It's an old print edition of L'Equipe, I think. Dates back to '84 or something like that.

L'arriv... I'll ask my old man if he's still got his back-copies of Bicisport and Wieler-Revue. Might throw some light on the matter...
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Havetts on October 31, 2012, 19:49
Added: Nardello, Biondi
Not Yet Added: Sergeant, Frison, Leysen, Wauters, Elijzen, or Heyndrickx


Just wondering what is with Elijzen that makes him considered to be dodgy? DS for Lotto? He has not had a great career at all, just scoring one win in an Eneco Tour prologue.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 31, 2012, 20:06
Just wondering what is with Elijzen that makes him considered to be dodgy? DS for Lotto? He has not had a great career at all, just scoring one win in an Eneco Tour prologue.

thats why at the moment hes not on the list. we like to be sure and have documentation before we add people to our lists of doom :D
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on October 31, 2012, 21:26
Just wondering what is with Elijzen that makes him considered to be dodgy? DS for Lotto? He has not had a great career at all, just scoring one win in an Eneco Tour prologue.

Michel Elijzen - Rabo conti, Rabobank, Cofidis, Lotto...

Suspicion by association?
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 31, 2012, 21:43
L'arriv... I'll ask my old man if he's still got his back-copies of Bicisport and Wieler-Revue. Might throw some light on the matter...

Cool! So he's not checking every issue, my info actually states two separate positives for Marc Sergeant on 13 April 1983 (Ruta del Sol) and the 1985 Scheldeprijs from which he was DQ'd. Both unknown substances.

First one from L'Equipe which I haven't seen. Second no source at all that I know of.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: search on October 31, 2012, 22:24
Cool! So he's not checking every issue, my info actually states two separate positives for Marc Sergeant on 13 April 1983 (Ruta del Sol) and the 1985 Scheldeprijs from which he was DQ'd. Both unknown substances.

First one from L'Equipe which I haven't seen. Second no source at all that I know of.

do you know the date it was published in l'Equipe? I don't have access to the archives of l'Equipe but maybe it was quoted somewhere else a day later or so
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on October 31, 2012, 22:27
do you know the date it was published in l'Equipe? I don't have access to the archives of l'Equipe but maybe it was quoted somewhere else a day later or so

No idea, search, sorry!  :-[
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Havetts on October 31, 2012, 22:32
So with the Servais Knaven thing, the name of Jeroen Blijlevens has come up. I had forgotten about him, 1994-1999 TVM. 2000 Polti.
Spoiler (hover to show)

Blijleven is to be part of the ex-Rabobank team as Directeur Sportif for the mens team.

Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on October 31, 2012, 23:04
Cool! So he's not checking every issue, my info actually states two separate positives for Marc Sergeant on 13 April 1983 (Ruta del Sol) and the 1985 Scheldeprijs from which he was DQ'd. Both unknown substances.

First one from L'Equipe which I haven't seen. Second no source at all that I know of.

remember schelderprijs was at the end of july then..

updated the first post. Now working on
Herman Frison
Bart Leysen
Marc Wauters
Michel Elijzen
Jean Pierre Heyndrickx
Michel Corneillese
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on November 01, 2012, 15:45
remember schelderprijs was at the end of july then..

updated the first post. Now working on
Herman Frison
Bart Leysen
Marc Wauters
Michel Elijzen
Jean Pierre Heyndrickx
Michel Corneillese

Hey guys... have just spoken to the old man... there's a s**tload of mags, etc in the loft in boxes... he sold a load a few years ago, so he's unsure of what's left. I will have a dig about but might take a while. I also have a few boxes of mags/newspapers from my days in Belg, but they're back in Australia at the moment. When I eventually get them out of storage I have a nosey too...

I'm wondering if the BWB, KNWU, FFC might have records of past indiscretions?

I've also emailed Joe Parkin to see if he has any recollections that didn't make it into 'Dog in a Hat'... I know there's a few 'stories' missing, but having been close to Joe I have to say that he is very discreet. We'll wait and see...
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on November 01, 2012, 15:51
Hey guys... have just spoken to the old man... there's a s**tload of mags, etc in the loft in boxes... he sold a load a few years ago, so he's unsure of what's left. I will have a dig about but might take a while. I also have a few boxes of mags/newspapers from my days in Belg, but they're back in Australia at the moment. When I eventually get them out of storage I have a nosey too...

I'm wondering if the BWB, KNWU, FFC might have records of past indiscretions?

I've also emailed Joe Parkin to see if he has any recollections that didn't make it into 'Dog in a Hat'... I know there's a few 'stories' missing, but having been close to Joe I have to say that he is very discreet. We'll wait and see...

I'm sure they do have records, but they're not public. It's really difficult because everything's dirty laundry. If this was a palmarès enquiry, you could probably get the info out of them.  ;D I still have about two or three other positives, not team staff today as far as I know, which remain in the vault until such time as I find some published sources of them. Guy I know has even better records from the 80s but he had to visit public archives to get his sources for most of them.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on November 01, 2012, 17:07
Tell me about it, when we were investigatinsg Levi's positive USA Cycling told us the best person to ask was Levi :D
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: search on November 01, 2012, 22:30
No idea, search, sorry!  :-[

I did have a look and the only archives of daily newspapers I have digital access to (which go back to the 80's) are El Pais and Times - and obviously there's nothing in there regarding Marc Sergeant. L'Equipe does not seem to have an online archive of these days at all - but Het Belang van Limburg has. I don't have access but maybe jojo can step in, often these archives are available from national universities (or via vpn)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on November 04, 2012, 18:35
This wont be good for Riis, Danish press publishing an interview with Hamilton

http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Cykling/2012/11/04/180155.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Cykling/2012/11/04/180155.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Quote
They HAVE met.  I remember an episode from 2002 - I think it was in April - when Fuentes, Bjarne and I were in the same hotel room in Spain.  I can still remember how the hotel looks.  Bjarne wanted to meet him, but afterwards  Fuentes was angry that Bjarne came with me.  I think that Fuentes wanted to keep it as private as possible, says Hamilton.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on November 19, 2012, 23:15
This could be interesting
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/27senior-cycling-figure27-accused-of-doping/4380686?section=sport (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/27senior-cycling-figure27-accused-of-doping/4380686?section=sport)

watch at 5m20 the name is bleeped out, but looks decidedly like Shane Sutton
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on November 20, 2012, 00:02
Hog on CN says Charlie Walsh. no idea who he is.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: AG on November 20, 2012, 00:26
Charlie Walsh was the head of the Aus track cycling program for a VERY long time.  Big name, but not so surprising .... would be surprising if he wasnt involved somehow ;D
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2012, 05:11
Hog on CN says Charlie Walsh. no idea who he is.

Walsh is a loved well not loved admired and hated figure in Oz cycling, came to Oz from behind the wall and built Australias track cycling program from a couple of talented riders into a powerful machine, especially the mens side of things.

Bascially had my way or the highway idea, plus if you survived then you were the strongest.

No way injections were going on without Walsh knowing abouit it.

But Charlie has already been throw under a bus, hence my it is Charlie Walshs fault 1 liners in threads about Oz cycling.

So not a real big story if it is Walsh.

Dim sort of Australias Eddy B I guess
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2012, 07:43
This could be interesting
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/27senior-cycling-figure27-accused-of-doping/4380686?section=sport (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/27senior-cycling-figure27-accused-of-doping/4380686?section=sport)

watch at 5m20 the name is bleeped out, but looks decidedly like Shane Sutton

Just watched the bleeped out bit

I agree Sutton which one Shane or Gary , plus Walsh got thrown under a bus years ago as I said, this person is still working in cycling



Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2012, 07:49
where is Esa ? some stories please re the OZ guys

ps Dean Woods  :win
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Arb on November 20, 2012, 08:47
When did Barnes start working in cycling?

He was one of the first on the scene at the Del Monte investigation.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2012, 09:05
When did Barnes start working in cycling?

He was one of the first on the scene at the Del Monte investigation.

not much help but from CN

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Barnes brings many years of experience to the table, having worked on the medical staff on the Australian Olympic teams at the 1996, 2000 and 2004 Games and worked closely with Cycling Australia, through its most successful period, as part of the Australian Institute of Sport medical team. The South Australian also spent 12-years (1997-2009) as the Chief Medical Officer for Port Adelaide Football Club in the AFL. He has also worked as Chief Medical Officer at the Tour Down Under.

But after this named person I think ??

ps here is the CAS PDF for those that want to read Del monte

http://www.asada.gov.au/publications/rules_and_violations/CAS/CAS_French.pdf (http://www.asada.gov.au/publications/rules_and_violations/CAS/CAS_French.pdf)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2012, 11:50
Quote
Dave (Dim) ‏@dimspace
@daveyboy390 the timeline fits, but he doesnt hold what youd called a senior position in australian sport anymore, i dont think

Dim they never said in Australian cycling

they said Australian holding a senior position in cycling

hence why I think he works overseas.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on November 20, 2012, 13:42
Gary Suttons name being bandied around, along with Phil Bates, Gary's brother in law.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Arb on November 20, 2012, 13:49

But after this named person I think ??


When they signed Barnes I thought he was an "outsider", no in depth cycling experience. Then I read the Del Monte report and his name came up (as an investigator). This showed to me that he knows what goes on, and leaves me wondering how those past experiences shape his stance today.

To me there are three types of doctors:

Facilitators: They are actively involved in doping and one of the core components of a program.

Agnostics: They do not want to encourage doping but will do the right thing by their team in making sure they stay legal.

Anti-doping: Will not involve themselves in any doping at the team, could be either passive or aggressive in this stance.

IMO most would fit into the second category.

At the moment I'd probably say Barnes is a #2.

Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2012, 13:57
When they signed Barnes I thought he was an "outsider", no in depth cycling experience. Then I read the Del Monte report and his name came up (as an investigator). This showed to me that he knows what goes on, and leaves me wondering how those past experiences shape his stance today.

To me there are three types of doctors:

Facilitators: They are actively involved in doping and one of the core components of a program.

Agnostics: They do not want to encourage doping but will do the right thing by their team in making sure they stay legal.

Anti-doping: Will not involve themselves in any doping at the team, could be either passive or aggressive in this stance.

IMO most would fit into the second category.

At the moment I'd probably say Barnes is a #2.



agreed re the 3 types nicely done

no idea re Barnes but he worked closly with cycling during the growth in OZ cycling so he must be a fool not to know a shed load more than we do
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: riding too slowly on November 25, 2012, 12:58
Could be Charlie Walsh.  Vinnicombe was in the same St Georges Cycling Club that Gary and Shane Sutton had been in.  Both would fit the bill as being senior riders who achieved and to whom Martin would look up to.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: riding too slowly on November 25, 2012, 13:02
Sorry, just catching up at the week-end.  I see that connection was already made in the clinic.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on November 30, 2012, 11:41
Lampre wants to win this award - Michele Bartoli going to the team as a coach/ds not in a car though
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: esafosfina on December 01, 2012, 01:06
where is Esa ? some stories please re the OZ guys

ps Dean Woods  :win

Hello boyz and girlz...! Sorry haven't been around for a while; I'm back in Oz for a few weeks...

In all honesty I don't think Woodsey was on anything, he's just a natural talent, and a favoured son of Charlie Walsh. There were always rumours about Vinnicombe, which seem to have been correct and valid.

I think you'll find the person that is being 'suspected' is a sprinter... an ex-world champion sprinter, NSW based, and still very much involved with the National Team. (Without mentioning names, it's not too difficult to figure who won the world's sprint in 2002)

Back in the late 90s and early 00s there was a vet (as in vet surgeon) that supplied many of the PEDs on the Australian scene... John Katakasi. I know he and the above sprinter were involved, but no 'proof' was ever forthcoming. Check this link for some background info: www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/02/1088488156166.html (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/02/1088488156166.html)

I'd be stunned if Sutto (Gary) is involved... he has/had a rep as being clean, and I remember having a conversation years ago about Shane, and Gary said one of the reasons that he didn't want to ride the sixes with Shane was Shane's 'preference' for certain pharmacueticals!

Anyway... some food for thought. I've limited access to the net at the moment, so forgive me if I don't get to replying.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Flo on January 02, 2013, 13:41
again... pepe marti stopped working with Alberto when he (Berto) joined Saxo
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Arb on January 07, 2013, 12:49
Chann needs to be added for Slipstream?
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Arb on January 07, 2013, 14:21
The San Luis website has the full list of team staff attending. Looking at GreenEdge I had no idea who any of them are, according to L'arri a certain Vicente Iza is ex Banesto staff unfortunately caught up in the Blitz raids.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on March 25, 2013, 08:22
I note from CN this morning that Joxean Matxin is now a DS at Lampre. Dodgy track record Geox and Saunier Duval.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on October 30, 2013, 11:27
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: Dim on November 01, 2014, 16:17
Emilio Magni has joined Astana :D
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on November 17, 2014, 12:51
So Vaughters signs a DS who was a) arrested as a rider over Oil for Drugs and subsequently received a two-year suspension for buying banned substances and who b) also remains one of the very few lucky individuals to beat an EPO positive on a negative B-sample.

The memories are short and the silence is deafening. ;)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: LukasCPH on November 17, 2014, 13:00
the silence is deafening. ;)
Mainly because e.g. I didn't know about it until just now.
It's the off-season for fans too. We can't be alert 24/7, 365 days a year. ;)
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on November 17, 2014, 13:02
Mainly because e.g. I didn't know about it until just now.
It's the off-season for fans too. We can't be alert 24/7, 365 days a year. ;)

Also it's Garmin and Vaughters, so he must be well advanced on the path to redemption.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: LukasCPH on November 17, 2014, 13:04
Also it's Garmin and Vaughters, so he must be well advanced on the path to redemption.
Hopefully so. Whatever that means.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: search on November 17, 2014, 13:07
Also it's Garmin and Vaughters, so he must be well advanced on the path to redemption.

regarding Tinkoff's new choice of directeurs sportif, not wanting to stay there (or not being "needed" anymore) might not be the worst sign...
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: just some guy on November 17, 2014, 13:30
Also it's Garmin and Vaughters, so he must be well advanced on the path to redemption.
Maybe, either he has or is talking to USADA or no one cares because LA was not involved
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: L'arri on November 17, 2014, 13:47
The judgement is still around. I got it from ItaliaCiclismo.net (http://www.italiaciclismo.net/allegati/GUIDI_sentenza08.pdf) but I've attached a copy here if anyone's interested.

In a nutshell, Guidi is wiretapped talking to Balestri about blood bags in coded language.

The authorities raid a property and find growth releasing hormone which the defendant's father claims was prescribed to him for a health condition related to his work as a painter.

When asked to provide evidence, namely a doctor's referral or details of a pharmacy, he suddenly can't remember the details (now I dunno about you, but my parents would never bullsh*t the police even if it meant I got busted).

Guidi's lawyer tries to get the case dismissed on the grounds of the defendant no longer being a cyclist (he had since retired) and that the conversations were about equipment and race tactics in Milan - San Remo rather than drugs.

The panel didn't buy it and Guidi got a two-year suspension.
Title: Re: The Dodgy Team Staff Thread - A work in progress
Post by: LukasCPH on November 17, 2014, 14:39
When asked to provide evidence, namely a doctor's referral or details of a pharmacy, he suddenly can't remember the details (now I dunno about you, but my parents would never bullsh*t the police even if it meant I got busted).
Italians are different. They stand up for their own (be it family or friends), under almost any circumstances.
Sometimes that's good, at other times it's not.[1]
 1. *cough* Yellow Fluo Giro wildcard *cough*