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Title: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on December 03, 2012, 15:29
With the 2015 World Cup draw just having been announced, and the Autumn Internationals finishing last weekend, seems like a good idea to start this thread. 

Pools for the World Cup:
A: Australia, England, Wales, Oceania 1, Play Off winner
B: South Africa, Samoa, Scotland, Asia 1, Americas 2
C: New Zealand, Argentina, Tonga, Europe 1, Africa 1
D: France, Ireland, Italy, Americas 1, Europe 2

As a Scotland fan, I fear we're going home very early.  Not sure Wales fans will be too excited about the draw either after the last few weeks...

From the AI's, it's clear the Southern Hemisphere are still a good way ahead of the North, and that they are far better at closing out games, and finding a way to win 'ugly'.  Argentina, after a couple more years of Super Rugby are going to be a real force to be reckoned with and Samoa have improved hugely.  Ireland have a lot of promising youngsters coming through and I am looking forward to seeing what they can do in the Six Nations - Gilroy looks particularly dangerous.  Wales and Scotland have gone backwards, but in contrast, England look as if they are making real progress.  The challenge for them now will be too build on their stunning win and back it up in February.  Can't come quickly enough!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: lancasterke on December 03, 2012, 15:36
maybe i's the buzz from being at twickenham on saturday but bring it on.
england can win that group and there's a good chance wales finish 4th in that group. with fiji the likely other quali.

really looking forward to the 6N

i think scotland have a pretty soft group, should go through.

the france/ireland/italy is quite tough but also a bit unfortunate as those fixtures happen every year.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on December 03, 2012, 15:59
maybe I'm stillin a post-Tonga defeat malaise, but don't unless we improve our physicality dramatically, we will get beaten again by South Africa and if Samoa play like they have done this Autumn...  Presumably Asia 1 will be Japan, who are always reasonably competitive, so not easy at all  :(

Worth remembering with Australia - and looking ahead to the Lions as well - that about 3/4 of their first choice team is injured at the moment, so I think next time we see them play they will be vastly improved.  Add Cooper, O'Connor and Genia to any back line and the improvement will be huge.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on December 03, 2012, 16:01
My worry for the Argentinians is, will they have Lobbe in 2015?

And the Aussies have to get out of being perma crocks. Pretty much their whole first squad was injured through the four nations. Horwill and Pocock inclusive.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: The Hitch on December 03, 2012, 16:52
So argentina vs France/ Ireland for quarters. Probably best they could hope for.

Why are these being announced so early though. 3 years is a hell of a long time.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: cj2002 on December 03, 2012, 17:01
Well I do love an odd-shaped ball...

As for home nation performances this Autumn... Wales are in a blip. Gatland has been missing, but the quality is there and come the Six Nations they'll be back on form I'm sure. I don't think Scotland have gone backwards... they scored 3 tries against the All Blacks - that's only 1 fewer than they scored in the whole of this year's 6 Nations!

As for my dear England... the South Africa tour showed promise, but it was always going to be this series before we started to see the impact of the Lancaster regime. We were unlucky against SA and Australia, and we were simply magnificent against the All Blacks. We now have the backbone of a really strong squad for the next few years. I'm a happy fan!

The draw is fascinating... England/Aus/Wales will be very close indeed. So too France/Ireland/Italy. Scotland should be able to muster enough to get past Samoa. The qualification structure is ridiculous. I've been looking through it to try and get a feel for who might fill the spots. This is the best I can come up with so far:

A: Australia, England, Wales, Fiji (Oceania 1), Play Off winner[1]
B: South Africa, Samoa, Scotland, Japan (Asia 1), USA/Uruguay (Americas 2)
C: New Zealand, Argentina, Tonga, Georgia (Europe 1), Zimbabwe[2] (Africa 1)
D: France, Ireland, Italy, Canada (Americas 1), Romania (Europe 2)

The qualifiers shouldn't pose too much of a problem for the top teams, but that said - Rugby is a growing sport and the quality of these teams is increasing. Fiji and Canada particularly could be a banana skin to anyone who underestimates them.

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Hitch - the reason the draw is made so early is to do with the ridiculous qualifying structure. All the continents have a multiple-tier system of small leagues, with the top ranked team at the end of 2014 taking the place. But, theoretically somebody in the 3rd tier in the 2012 competition could win that tier, then win the 2nd tier in 2013 and then win the top tier in 2014. So technically the qualification has begun. At least, that's the only reason I can figure!
 1. Likely to be one of the following: South Korea, USA, Uruguay, Uganda, Spain, Portugal
 2. Zimbabwe are the current "Africa Cup" champions, and as such would qualify directly for the World Cup were it being held in 2013... the 2014 winner will take the 'Africa 1' slot in 2015.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on December 03, 2012, 18:22
Will be interesting to see whether Wales can pick themselves up and become the quality side they are, that group could be very pr*ckly. But getting Australia was lucky as all the other alternatives (France?) were worse tbh. The England team is developing well imo but there needs to develop a stable core to the side by 2015 a core which is made up of truly talented players who can win the world cup. Currently the talent is there though...

3 years is a long time..
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on December 03, 2012, 18:28
Why are Australia better? A fully fit Australia is still well better than most other teams.

This was their infirmary list during the 4 nations
Drew Mitchell, Lachie Turner, Rob Horne, Christian Lealiifano, Tomane, James O'Connor, Will Genia, Wycliff Palu, David Pocock, Ben McCalman, James Horwill, Sitaleki Timani, Palmer or Salesi Ma'afu, Stephen Moore, Sekope Kepu.

Horwill, Pocock, Genia and O'Connor are automatic picks to that team. That's a quality team, and they need Beale and Quade Cooper to flip off from the Aussie scene for the next few years.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on December 03, 2012, 18:38
Why are Australia better? A fully fit Australia is still well better than most other teams.

This was their infirmary list during the 4 nations
Drew Mitchell, Lachie Turner, Rob Horne, Christian Lealiifano, Tomane, James O'Connor, Will Genia, Wycliff Palu, David Pocock, Ben McCalman, James Horwill, Sitaleki Timani, Palmer or Salesi Ma'afu, Stephen Moore, Sekope Kepu.

Horwill, Pocock, Genia and O'Connor are automatic picks to that team. That's a quality team, and they need Beale and Quade Cooper to flip off from the Aussie scene for the next few years.
New Zealand hands down the best, South Africa not far behind, dont think you could consider Aussies to be better.. French, well you could make a case. But avoiding South Africa and New Zealand was pretty vital, though you seem to never know with this England team..
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on December 03, 2012, 18:44
No question that the Sheep are on another level. I doubt a fully fit, and a properly selected (not depending on Morne Steyn), South Africa is as good as a fully fit Australia sans Beale and Quade Cooper. South Africa, Australia, they're very different in style but I don't see missing the boks as being more important than missing Australia.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on December 03, 2012, 21:44
The England team is developing well imo but there needs to develop a stable core to the side by 2015 a core which is made up of truly talented players who can win the world cup. Currently the talent is there though...

3 years is a long time..

They say that an outstanding team needs its spine to be strong - i.e. 2, 8, 9, 10, 15.  England at the moment have Youngs x2, Morgan, Farrell and Goode in those positions.  None of them are stellar (at the moment) but the promise is undoubtedly there.  Morgan and Goode I really like, and thought Farrell had one of his best games for England - I would love to see Freddie Burns get a look in though...  The rest of the back row were outstanding, and when you throw the likes of Tom Croft and Steffon Armitage into consideration as well, England's options there are plentiful.  The pack in general is very strong - Cole is outstanding, Corbisiero is improving fast, and I like Youngs in the front row - particularly his dynamic ball carrying, but it's early days for him yet.  Parling has had, in a very understated manner, an outstanding Autumn, and Launchbury is a real find imho.  I see him in the engine room for many years to come. 
I accept that I am looking at this through very rose tinted spectacles in the warm fuzzy afterglow of Saturday, but the signs are there that this England side can continue to progress and develop.  Tuiliagi had his best game in a white shirt - now he needs to match that consistently, Barritt also.  I think 9 and the wing positions are still problematic, but the building blocks are definitely there.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on December 04, 2012, 15:51
Trouble is, I think that the game has moved on since it was about 8, 9 & 10. 7 is now the most important position, key to whether you secure your own ball at the ruck and disrupt/turnover the opposition's. In the old days openside was just about disrupting and scavenging, now it's about having the speed to get to the ball and the strength to secure it and also the handling skills and pace to link with the backs and the power to carry the ball securely in heavy traffic.

Since Michael Jones set the benchmark for what a world class Open-side should deliver, NZ have had a few world-class 7s, Australia have had them in spades and the rest of the world? Warburton maybe is on the right track, but the closest England got was Neil Back who wasn't really good enough in any area to be considered alongside McCaw, Smith, Kronfeld, Waugh, Pocock etc.
SA don't even number their loose forwards correctly and do what England tend to, just pick the biggest, most mobile lumps available and distribute them across the back row.

So where does that leave the home nations?

England have the greatest depth of the four and with home advantage must be fancied to get to the semis. But if they could produce a world class flanker from nowhere...

Wales have a great 1st 15 and were unlucky not to contest the last final. Their problem is depth up front, there doesn't seem to be a particularly long list of front 5 players knocking on the door right now.

Ireland have a chance but like Wales, they seem really short of depth in key positions like the front row, centres, scrum half.

Scotland need to find about 13 players to even be competitive. Even when they do produce a jewel, the lustre soon fades for some reason.

The good news is that Australia appear to be going backwards under Deans, playing a more conservative game than suits their talents. let's hope he stays on as coach. New Zealand didn't look as awesome as they did before the World Cup, even before England beat them. South Africa? Well you know what you're going to get so it's not too difficult to prepare for, just difficult to stop.

France? Might as well try and predict something very unpredictable.

The rest? Will continue to struggle until they can get clubs to release their players as and when they need them.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on December 05, 2012, 11:37
Cheers Captain.

Don't really follow northern hemisphere rugger, it's not on the telly round these part.

I thought the Sheep in the 4 nations were as good as any time I've seen them.  Cruden's been tops for them whenever Dan Carter's crocked (and that's quite often). Can't fault their back row either, but the forwards and scrums are their weakness. Also, SH is something they'll need to address, though Aaron Smith seems a decent one.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: cj2002 on December 05, 2012, 11:41
7 is now the most important position, key to whether you secure your own ball at the ruck and disrupt/turnover the opposition's.

More than that, Capt, I reckon "modern" rugby is more about versitility... look at the difference between an old-school prop like Jason Leonard and the new breed like Joe Marler. Marler looks more like a flanker than a prop! Everyone in the XV needs to be able to play at the breakdown and in the loose, play fast with ball in hand and defend hard.

NZ's 7 is just the most significant player for them because he cheats the most is such a strong leader  ;D
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on December 05, 2012, 14:10
I know this view is wrong, but it's only cheating if it's caught.  Several years ago, in the Heineken Cup final - Leicester vs Munster, there was a scrum late on, and Neil Back stuck his hand in to get the ball back, deny Munster the final chance a t a drop goal and the chance to win (was very close iirc).  Blatant cheating, but not seen by the ref, got away with it, and was praised to the heavens (by Leicester fans...).  McCaw is the same, he  gets away with it, how I have no idea, but is heralded as the world's best player.  However, opposition teams know exactly what he is going to do, so why not just nail him at the breakdown - forget the ball, just smash him out the way.  Moore said much the same on commentary in the Wales vs Australia game about Pocock.  If he's lying on the floor/on the wrong side, use the boot on him, and don't be too squeamish. 
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: cj2002 on December 05, 2012, 14:18
It's a fine semantic line, DotP, but I know what you mean.

You could say the same about what Thierry Henry did in the Euro 2012[1] play-off against Ireland, controlling the ball with his hand to keep it in play and set up the winning goal. He got away with it and denied the Irish an appearance at a major tournament final.

In other news, Brian Moore is brilliant. He just gets so sarcky about the refereeing sometimes, I love it.
 1. It might have been the 2010 World Cup, I can't remember now...
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on December 05, 2012, 15:01
Soft northern hemisphere refs.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: cj2002 on December 05, 2012, 15:24
Soft northern hemisphere refs.

Does Wayne Barnes really look soft to you...

(http://www.espnscrum.com/PICTURES/CMS/25400/25489.2.jpg)

Oh...  :fp
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on December 05, 2012, 15:27
Alain Rolland is
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 03, 2013, 10:39
In other news, Brian Moore is brilliant. He just gets so sarcky about the refereeing sometimes, I love it.

On the subject of Moore and referee's...

BRIAN MOORE - TOTAL RUGBY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiud8pfc2Ns#ws)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on January 03, 2013, 12:46
This is afar my favourite rugby article  ;D ;D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17431022 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17431022)

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The game was refereed by Michael Tutty until just before the mid-point of the second half when he came off injured and was replaced by Richard Kelly. Ian DaviesCornish Pirates forwards coach
"Mike Tutty's fairly clueless at the scrummage, but unfortunately Richard Kelly had even less clue.

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Ian Davies
Cornish Pirates forwards coach
Davies was particularly unhappy with the second half where referee Michael Tutty awarded penalties for infringements in the scrum.
"We pride ourselves on the set piece and the scrum, a couple in the first half I had not got a problem with, Paul Andrew got penalised quite rightly.
"Second half it seemed to be a mystery, but it was more the breakdown and his communication at the breakdown that was confusing for both sides.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 07, 2013, 17:16
Blair retires from international duty: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20932145 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20932145)

Stoddart retires from all rugby - hasn't recovered fully from his broken leg:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20935237 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20935237)

As a Scotland fan, sad to see him retire, but he's been a great servant over the years and an immense player for the team.  Credit to him for taking the decision himself, and it's a position that we're fortunate to have a bit of depth in.  Hopefully Cusiter will make a speedy recovery, or Pyrgos can continue from his fine start i nthe Autumn Internationals.  As for Stoddart, it's never nice to see injury end a player's career (and only days after Hendre Fourie had to do the same), but wish him all the best for the future.  Another victim of the physicality of the modern game.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 11, 2013, 18:40
Seems the oldies are still the goodies! 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20990965 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20990965)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on January 22, 2013, 08:53
I guess it can't be easy

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Robshaw reveals hurt of captaincy criticism

http://www.sportlive.co.za/rugby/international/2013/01/22/robshaw-reveals-hurt-of-captaincy-criticism?utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=sabreakingnews&utm_source=twitter (http://www.sportlive.co.za/rugby/international/2013/01/22/robshaw-reveals-hurt-of-captaincy-criticism?utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=sabreakingnews&utm_source=twitter)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 29, 2013, 20:32
Right, six nations kicks off this weekend, let's get excited!  Stumbled across this earlier and seems to be a wonderful idea (for anyone watching on the BBC...)  Who's keen?

(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/485962_10151254130307339_940038063_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on January 29, 2013, 20:42
I sure wouldn't bet against that.

I was talking to a rugby following friend today about who he fancies will win and he fancies England. As a true patriot I subsequently went about convincing him that England was a rather less sensible choice to hedge his bets on. In all honesty though England have a shot but I do not think we are good enough to bring consistency to win all our big matches. Then again Wales have been looking dodgy so that is a bit boost. According to him Ireland will be the biggest challengers and though the French are always lurking I am inclined to agree.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 30, 2013, 06:31
I think it will be close.  The challenge for England obviously is to show that the New Zealand wan't a one off.  They do have 3 home games in their favour, including France, but they have trips to Cardiff and Dublin which won't be easy.  My tip is Ireland - both England and France come to visit, and provided they can get off to a winning start against Wales, I think they'll take it.

My main hope however, is that Scotland somehow improve on their performance against Tonga and don't get the wooded spoon.  Is that too much to ask?!  2 victories please boys!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: sublimit on January 30, 2013, 12:54
England missing Tuilagi which is a massive blow considering he's arguably the best in that position in the World, And I see Jim Telfer has started slagging England as arrogant and condescending.  :winker

Its a yearly ritual that we've heard before and very lame and disrespectful IMO.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on January 30, 2013, 16:59
I would bet on Italy for the wooden spoon. Tuilagi is missing just for the first game isn't he? So it should not be all too bad. Hoping for a Barrit - Farrell combination in the middle that has worked well in the past. Tuilagi missed the start of the last 6 nations though and those were the games we won so hopefully we should survive this time round as well.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 02, 2013, 15:24
Wales, crap in the first half. Terribly crap. Too many penalties, too sloppy. Second half, mental. Leigh Halfpenny's mint. Maybe not Israel Dagg mint, but still pretty bloody good.

Ireland's defence has been tops too. The number of phases Wales had in some of their attacks.

Zebo's touch for Cian Healy's  try. Sensational

Bad news for the All Blacks, Corey Jane's ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament. Out for the whole year. Wonder who'll replace him for the Hurricanes, who're pretty inexperienced.

Post Merge: February 02, 2013, 17:11
Alain Rolland, what a rubbish and soft referee.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 02, 2013, 17:50
Good match, good effort by the Scots. Handling errors will be one thing to look at for England, but then again, with that tempo. England completely bossed the scrums (and the breakdowns, the mauls rather than the rucks), maybe fatigue, but twas just too lopsided that battle. England, chalk and cheese from last year.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 02, 2013, 19:44
Ireland v Wales game was unbelievable! Irish defence absolutely immense, their first half fantastic.  Wales, with all that pressure, should have done better.

Calcutta Cup game was a funny one for me to watch.  Yes, Scotland got thrashed and were never in the game, but the tries from Maitland and Hogg were excellent - yes I'm biased but Hogg at 15 for the Lions for me.  Beattie had a good game, as did Visser, and although not his usual excellent self, Richie Gray was omni-present as always.  England however, I thought were exceptional.  They completely dominated, and even though there were a few errors, they controlled the match from start to finish.  So many good performances - Robshaw, Morgan with ball in hand, Brown's strong running.  Special mention though to 12trees - fantastic debut I thought.  God forbid, England might finally have found a centre who actually knows how to pass a ball.  Twin with Tuilagi when he's fit again and that's potentially something very dangerous...  And finally, Farrell... I thought he had an absolute blinder.  Threatening, probing, fantastic kicking, and THAT pass for the Parling try - jaw dropping.  Looking forward to seeing what the French can come up with tomorrow.

Roll on next week!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 02, 2013, 23:11
Wales and Ireland looked good for a half each and pretty awful for a half each so it's hard to know where they are. Ireland don't seem to have the depth in all positions that they'll need to win the whole comp. As soon as there's an injury or someone gets tired , the team goes backwards fast. Wales don't seem to have anyone who can spark them at the moment as Shane Williams used to do.

Scotland looked better today than for some time. They clearly carry a threat in the back three and the set pieces are good enough too. Trouble is 9-13 can't hurt anyone at this level - what happened to that scrum-half they unearthed in the Autumn? Back row could cause some damage down the line but lack a true 7.

England encouraged me hugely. Forward power as a means to provide the backs opportunities rather than an end in itself. No evidence of forwards battering up the middle 5 times in a row then getting turned over on the 6th. Likewise, the penalty count was low. Lots of handling errors but that can be easily fixed; playing a brain dead, aimless forward driving game has been harder to erase from the tactical handbook. Ben Youngs looks like a world beater again after going through a long mediocre patch, Ashton looked sharper than for a while too. Farrell has nailed the 10 spot and Morgan the 8. Front row looks solid and locks are a real strength - all except Cole with good ball handling skills. Back row didn't have to content with a decent 7 so looked OK and the centres showed a lot more guile with Twelvetrees in.

The negatives for England: I thought Brown was too indecisive in running back kicked ball although he did well in the line; Goode didn't convince me either. But the biggest problem was the substitutions which disrupted the rhythm and introduced Danny Care whose hair is as annoying as his inability to pass the ball quickly.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 03, 2013, 09:17
Captain, I think North has to be that man for Wales, every time he gets the ball, the crowd respond and they need to find a way to get the ball to him in a bit of space as often as possible.  However, am I alone in thinking Cuthbert is pretty hopeless?  Yes he's big and fast, but I've thought for a while that's he crap defensively.  At fault for the first try, and he missed countless tackles in the autumn - for such a big guy, he tackles like a piece of wet tissue paper. 

Re. Scotland scrum half - Pyrgos was on the bench and came on near the end.  Laidlaw has been playing well at 9 in the Pro12 and had a pretty good game I thought.  Kelly Brown to my mind has always been more of a 6 - not sure what has happened to John Barclay  :?

With Goode, I do like him  as a player, but wish he would back himself to run it a bit more as he has great feet, rather than just kicking it.  However, he seems to have developed the tendency to run forward a bit, and then do a little 'hop' - almost a fake sidestep, but then doesn't go through with the sidestep...bit odd, and rather ineffective. 
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 03, 2013, 09:25
Although I'll give Cuthbert a bit of slack for the first try because BOD's skill was out of this world, but Cuthbert was all at sea - either step in and crunch BOD or stay out, trust the inside defender, and then smash your opposite number into touch.  Simples  :)

And if you did drop Goode, who would you bring in instead?  Brown to full back and Strettle on the wing?  Foden back in?   
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: sublimit on February 03, 2013, 11:31
Re; Tuilagi  yes missing for just one game,   12_trees is a hell of a player though and probably should have a few caps by now - but better late than never.   

Hopefully Danny Care is starting to grow up and stop acting the big hero,  Telfer can diss him any time he likes but fair play to him yesterday for scoring.

I like Foden for full back.   Armitage is unavailable I think?


Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 03, 2013, 11:42
Yeah, currently serving an 8 week ban.  Even when available, he and his brother don't exactly seem to be in favour with the new England management.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: The Hitch on February 03, 2013, 14:54
Wow. Italy play at the stadio olympico now. i always remember them playing in some weak ass 30 000 seater seria c ground.

That's fantastic. I.really want rugby to keep progressing on an international level.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on February 03, 2013, 16:25
Well the Italy - France game is getting very interesting. They would sure deserve it, an inspired performance by them.

20 minutes of do or die for them now.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 03, 2013, 17:02
From a Scottish perspective, bugger.  From a neutral's perspective, what a fantastic performance by Italy - great result for them.  Here's hoping for a French backlash next week against Wales in Paris  :)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 04, 2013, 00:43
30 Quade Coopers would've had a better match than yesterday's.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 04, 2013, 10:02
Captain, I think North has to be that man for Wales, every time he gets the ball, the crowd respond and they need to find a way to get the ball to him in a bit of space as often as possible.  However, am I alone in thinking Cuthbert is pretty hopeless?  Yes he's big and fast, but I've thought for a while that's he crap defensively.  At fault for the first try, and he missed countless tackles in the autumn - for such a big guy, he tackles like a piece of wet tissue paper. 

Re. Scotland scrum half - Pyrgos was on the bench and came on near the end.  Laidlaw has been playing well at 9 in the Pro12 and had a pretty good game I thought.  Kelly Brown to my mind has always been more of a 6 - not sure what has happened to John Barclay  :?

With Goode, I do like him  as a player, but wish he would back himself to run it a bit more as he has great feet, rather than just kicking it.  However, he seems to have developed the tendency to run forward a bit, and then do a little 'hop' - almost a fake sidestep, but then doesn't go through with the sidestep...bit odd, and rather ineffective.
I agree that big George is electric but it doesn't seem to galvanise his team mates like you would hope or expect. Interesting you should raise the Cuthbert issue but one of Wales' problems seems to me to be a lack of variety in their backline threat. They're all big, very big, from 9 to 14. Where's the elusive runner? the great handler? the mercurial kicker?. France tried this a while ago and found that teams found it pretty easy to nullify that threat especially if given time to train for it.

Laidlaw did fine with not a lot, but I never thought he was going to create any problems or warranted special attention. Fine is probably not good enough when you haven't got anything else outside you. Barclay is injured but managed to lose his place to Ross Rennie last year, who is also injured. Follows a pattern of Scottish players making a big impact initially  but then falling away somewhat. maybe because the other Scottish talent is so sparse that oppositions can give them special treatment once  they realise the threat.

Goode, Foden, Brown, it's a nice problem to have at Fullback but putting one of them on the wing doesn't solve it.

Delon Armitage. Glad he was mentioned because when he broke into the England team, he was simply awesome. He caught everything, glided past players like they weren't really trying and kicked like a howitzer. All he needed to do was learn how to play his position and England would have had someone who made Serge Blanco look a bit clumsy. He was messed about position-wise but he hasn't realised a fraction of his potential and that must be mainly down to attitude. Maybe his time in France will sort him out. Let's hope so, it's tragic to see so much talent go to waste.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on February 08, 2013, 14:57
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21375047 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21375047)

Exciting times. Big weekend here, whoever comes out victorious in the Ireland V England match will surely have the momentum to going on and possibly win the tournament.

Tuilagi back on the bench now and that will give England a boost. It is also great to see Haskell back in the England set up as he is a quality player and it would be a shame if he was left in the dark.

England: Goode; Ashton, Barritt, Twelvetrees, Brown; Farrell, B Youngs; Marler, T Youngs, Cole, Launchbury, Parling, Haskell, Robshaw, Wood.
Replacements: Hartley, Wilson, Vunipola, Lawes, Waldrom, Care, Flood, Tuilagi.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: sublimit on February 08, 2013, 15:05
The England Bench has some quality looking at that.    And I'm glad 12 trees and Barritt continue in the centres.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: cj2002 on February 08, 2013, 15:05
It wasn't so long ago that I was stood by the touchline at Esher Rugby Club, not 2 miles from my home, watching Joe Marler do things like this:

(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/London+Scottish+FC+v+Esher+RFC+0A9zEq-5FGRl.jpg)

He was obviously going to be a star even then... but to make the number 1 jersey his own is pretty special.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 08, 2013, 17:38
It wasn't so long ago that I was stood by the touchline at Esher Rugby Club, not 2 miles from my home, watching Joe Marler do things like this:

(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/London+Scottish+FC+v+Esher+RFC+0A9zEq-5FGRl.jpg)

He was obviously going to be a star even then... but to make the number 1 jersey his own is pretty special.
Are you matey with John Inverdale then?
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: cj2002 on February 08, 2013, 23:13
Matey..? No - he won't buy me a drink, but he's often around on gamedays (when he's not presenting for the BBC, of course), and doesn't hide away. So I'll always say hello. He's a nice bloke, and a top presenter, too.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 09, 2013, 18:35
Le coq ups
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on February 09, 2013, 19:28
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21345281 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21345281)

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Stuart Hogg scored a spectacular solo try against Italy as Scotland secured their record Six Nations win and their first in the tournament for two years.
Brilliant try.

Highlights:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21394782 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21394782)

And the try:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21390799 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21390799)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 10, 2013, 09:34
SCOTLAND!!! :win :woohoo :rave  etc.  Ok, yes Italy were poor, but probably the most encouraging Scotland performance I have seen in years.  On current form, no reason why we shouldn't beat France, and even though they won, I think we can beat Wales...  :rolleye

Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 10, 2013, 10:45
Weird to see Scotland get so many points per opportunity, under Robinson they hardly got any. And what was that change of strip for? It would have been much easier to tell them apart with dark blue shirts and white shorts.

France are unbelievably poor. I've never seen them this useless. They normally improve through the tournament especially with the sun on their backs in Paris; unfortunately their next two fixtures are in Dublin and London. Which makes today's Ireland-England game look like the title, and possibly grand slam, decider. Should be a good one,
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 10, 2013, 11:49
France...what on earth has happened to the side that thrashed Australia in the Autumn?  Fofana is wated on the wing - has to come in to the centres.  Michelak has been useless - Parra and T-D at half back for me.  Other than that, I don't know enough about French rugby to pick the form individuals, but it's hard to imagine them playing that poorly again.  Knowing them, they'll flick the switch and demolish whoever wins this afternoon.

Re. the Scotland kit, isn't there some rule in rugby that it is the home side that wears their change strip in the case of a kit clash?  Hence why Italy were in white last week in Rome.  Seems silly, especially as Scotland 'home' blue would obviously be very different to Italian 'away' white
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on February 10, 2013, 16:50
Scrappy game but it was Owen Farrel's supremacy with his kicking over O'Gara's and Ireland's errors which in the end gave England the edge.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Flo on February 10, 2013, 17:40
wow first time I saw rugby live on tv very nice I was cheering for ireland did not understand a thing though
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 10, 2013, 17:43
O'Gara's kicking, punts rather than goal kicking, was crap. That England could turn it around post Haskell's sin bin, especially when Eire looked to be gaining. Also top performance by Chris Robshaw.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 10, 2013, 19:28
wow first time I saw rugby live on tv very nice I was cheering for ireland did not understand a thing though


Glad you enjoyed it!  Was definitely one for the purist - awful conditions meant that it was never going to be exciting with lots of tries.  However, what it was, was gritty, determination, and a brilliantly mature performance from a very young and inexperienced England side - (BOD and O'Gara have 250 caps between them, by my calculations England's entire starting 15 = 236). 

Thought Robshaw was excellent - a real captain's performance, certainly when compared to Heaslip.  Surely he has to start for the Lions (and captain...?)  Goode was solid under the high ball and played well I thought.  Was annoyed the 12 trees came off so early, although I guess Lancaster wanted Manu to smash the Irish back as they were starting to get some momentum.  Overall, Ireland were poor - far too many handling errors, even with the weather, but England showed they can win ugly which is something that all good teams need to be able to do.  And although he was not quite as good as last week, is it bad that I have a massive man crush on Owen Farrell...?  He's class, and only going to get better imho   :embarrassed
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: The Hitch on February 10, 2013, 19:35
wow first time I saw rugby live on tv very nice I was cheering for ireland did not understand a thing though
if you enjoyed that you'll love rugby. This weekends games were far from exciting ones and today's  was particularly damp in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 10, 2013, 20:07
if you enjoyed that you'll love rugby. This weekends games were far from exciting ones and today's  was particularly damp in more ways than one.

Scotland vs Italy was pretty exciting (although I am biased I suppose) - some very good tries from the Scots for ones viewing pleasure  :)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: The Hitch on February 10, 2013, 21:11
Scotland vs Italy was pretty exciting (although I am biased I suppose) - some very good tries from the Scots for ones viewing pleasure  :)
Yeah that game was good,  though a bit too 1 sided for the neutral. ;)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on February 10, 2013, 21:27
Well I enjoyed the England game, but after watching West Ham today anything was going to be good.
Robshaw rightley MOTM.
Wonder if Paddyboy will get Cited (is that the right word) for that stamping incident ?? :-x
Grand Slam still on  :D
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 10, 2013, 21:44
Wonder if Paddyboy will get Cited (is that the right word) for that stamping incident ?? :-x
Grand Slam still on  :D

Healey has to be cited imho, that stamp was horrible.  Not a 'clearing a body out the way' rake with the boot, but a full on stamp onto an exposed ankle - could have done serious damage, and should have been carded.

But I also think Farrell should have spent 10 minutes in the bin for when he pulled back the Irish 9 early on when he was chasing through - professional foul at its best/worst!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Kvinto on February 11, 2013, 08:08
The game was quite OK, the only thing that sucks is that my least favourite team from northern hemisphere (Six Nations only) won. And the decisive (to the final score) six points were conceded while having one player more  :(
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 11, 2013, 09:49
The game was quite OK, the only thing that sucks is that my least favourite team from northern hemisphere (Six Nations only) won. And the decisive (to the final score) six points were conceded while having one player more  :(
It was strange because England had lost their way but losing a player seemed to give them focus and force them to play the way they needed to to win: controlled, patient, mistake-free, territorial rugby; much like they played in the first half.

The intensity was something else though, with both sides playing as if one defensive lapse would settle the match. One reason why the NH teams always do surprisingly well in World Cups; they're more used to playing at that level of intensity.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 11, 2013, 10:07
Though to be fair, the same is true of the tri nations (four nations) matches too. The Wallabies and Boks were eliminated by SH teams last time, and NZ always against the Frogs.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 11, 2013, 10:46
I'm not as conversant with tri-nations rugby over the years but it doesn't seem to be as attritional.

In the 2003 WC, it went to form. England were the best team in the world according to the rankings and most peoples view. Playing on foreign soil made their task harder but they still dominated just about every game despite contriving to almost give it away in the final.

If we take the 2007 WC, as soon as the matches got attritional and intense, the NH teams started winning them. France Vs NZ, England Vs Aus; even the final was nothing like the group game where SA spanked the English - I thought England were unlucky with key decisions in the final.

In 2011 the biggest pre-tournament favourites ever in NZ  (I made that up, I don't know if it's true), almost lost the final to a French team who were pretty ordinary, luckily beating a crap England and a really good Wales.

The point being I suppose, that according to the rankings the three SH giants should be getting to the semis with ease. But they don't. My view is that one of the reasons is that the 6 nations is closer somehow to knock-out, lose and you go home, competition. The SH teams always have a second crack at each other which means the individual match carries less weight. So the NH sides get stuffed in the open free scoring November internationals and the end of (NH) season tours but come right back into it when it gets tight in the World Cup.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 11, 2013, 11:29
I'm not as into NH rugby to be honest. Mainly just the southern stuff. I thought that the Sheep showed good bottle in the final last year. McCaw I seem to remember put in a big dig, and Cruden's injury would've been a blow. Carter's been a crock forever and Cruden, especially since then, has been one of the, if not the, top playmakers in Super rugby and internationals.

Wales with Bilbo, Halfpenny and Warburton then might have played a more open match then than France and with the midfield to back row that the Sheep have, that could have worked in their favour.

All conjecture of course. At present though, must say England look far better than I expected, even post the win over NZ.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 11, 2013, 11:44
...At present though, must say England look far better than I expected, even post the win over NZ.
I agree. One of the big differences has been the quality of the on-field decision making which has let England down for as long as I can remember. If they game plan didn't work, England lost. Now we're not giving away penalty after penalty, getting caught out by the same tactic repeatedly etc.

Interesting article in Saturday's Guardian which may go some way to explaining why...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2013/feb/08/stuart-lancaster-england-flops-force (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2013/feb/08/stuart-lancaster-england-flops-force)

and it relates to cycling too...

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This is a more modern, go-ahead England setup than people, as yet, appreciate. Once Matt Parker, formerly British cycling's head of marginal gains – who has recently been hired to be another of Lancaster's go-to men – gets his bike-clips fully under the table it will become even more evident.
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To a greater extent than most other coaches, Lancaster believes that a culture of self-improvement should apply as much to him as to his players. His regular brainstorming sessions with cycling's Dave Brailsford and other sporting experts are not window-dressing but genuine attempts to broaden his mind for the betterment of his squad..
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 11, 2013, 12:20
Interesting read that. Would England want to even contemplate leaving the PE teacher for the 2003 World cup winning captain or Robbie Deans? Comparing this to the world cup team, how many basic errors were made then? Especially in breakdowns.

Though Beswick's presence didn't really help the English football team then.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 11, 2013, 13:16
Interesting read that. Would England want to even contemplate leaving the PE teacher for the 2003 World cup winning captain or Robbie Deans? Comparing this to the world cup team, how many basic errors were made then? Especially in breakdowns.

Though Beswick's presence didn't really help the English football team then.
True, but I know which group of players I'd find it easier to impart new ideas to.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 11, 2013, 13:27
Aye, that would stand out as a main reason. Also a time thing maybe; the football team's barely ever together.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 12, 2013, 20:18
Gatland wtf?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21435112 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21435112)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on February 14, 2013, 16:39
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21442144 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21442144)

Healey banned, but back for the Eyetie game.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 15, 2013, 09:56
Very open match between the Rebels and the Force. Even Beale's having his moments.

Post Merge: February 15, 2013, 10:06
Well 2 sin bins had to make a difference. Kingi scores Rebels 27-16
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 16, 2013, 11:04
D'Arcy out for the rest of the 6 nations - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21478769 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21478769) 
Further blow for the Irish.  BOD to 12 and Earls in at 13?  Or keep Earls on the wing, and bring McFadden into the centres?  Luke Fitzgerald or Andrew Trimble back into the team? 

Out of context and sensationalist journalism? http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/joe-marler-england-would-win-the-world-cup-if-it-was-tomorrow-8497132.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/joe-marler-england-would-win-the-world-cup-if-it-was-tomorrow-8497132.html)

Whilst it is clearly too early to predict things like this, it's not unthinkable by any means.  Strongest team in the northern hemisphere atm, developing into a better all round team than the Aussies, more guile than the Saffa's...



I'll take the rose tinted specs off now   :cool:
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 16, 2013, 11:19
Wowzers, a couple of good wins and already world cup talk? Anyway, I'd still think that a full strength Australia, without injuries (which we've not seen for the last couple of years with one or the other always crocked) and minus Quade Cooper and Curtley Beale, is number two.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 16, 2013, 12:38
Why the hate on Quade and Kurtley?  At full strength, they're both in the Aussie starting 15 for me.  I'd have a back line of Genia, Cooper, Barnes, Ashley-Cooper, Ioane, O'Connor, Beale.  That is F.L.A.I.R.   :)

I agree it's far too premature to talk of who's going to win the World Cup, but the signs are undoubtedly promising for England, and their 'journey' is headed in the right direction.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 16, 2013, 13:03
Quade Cooper as a playmaker is poor at best imo. The number of errors, in both distribution and kicking, is just far too much for an international and he's also a pr*ck. Berrick Barnes also wasn't perfect, but I think he is better than Quade.

Beale at FB, would rather that Adam Ashley Cooper played there where he usually does rather than being tinkered around. Beale's good enough for super rugby, but he was crap in the four nations.

O'Connor's back (another pr*ck) and playing for the Rebels, and through parts of last year the Wallabies were without Pocock (who was pretty bloody brilliant for the Brumbies today), Genia and Horwill (if he comes back) in the team, with them in it should be a good one. Their current forwards will need experience though.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Zam on February 18, 2013, 18:04
Six Nations Cup 2013: Ireland - England (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmHJU_ZOsrA#ws)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 20, 2013, 15:43
Several changes for Ireland, including no ROG.  Big call for Kidney, but probably the right one (although I hope Ireland have a shocker and Scotland trounce them at the weekend! :win )

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21519953 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21519953)

Scotland the same apart from Cross in for Murray who doesn't play on Sunday due to religious reasons:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21504709 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21504709)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 22, 2013, 19:06
A really interesting insight into what the coaches get up to on game day: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21526547 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21526547)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: The Hitch on February 23, 2013, 18:54
France wooden spoon?
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 23, 2013, 20:35
If the French management are equally inept in the remaining two matches, it's a possibility. Ireland in Dublin will be tough for them but Scotland at home is usually a guaranteed win. I expect the wooden spoon will go to the Italians as usual.

A fantastic result today for England given how poor they were and how bad some of their initial selections were. I thought Lancaster was Mr Common Sense but Lawes at 6? Wood who plays 6 was at 8, Robshaw who plays 6 was at 7 but at 6 was a guy who doesn't play in the back row at all and boy did it show. England also have to sort out their wingers, Brown isn't a winger and Ashton looks like he never played rugby league as his basics are so poor. But somehow England got away with it and live to fight another day and can put right some of these selection issues.

England ended up winning comfortably for a number of reasons, firstly substitutions; England's subs improved them as a team, France's made them much worse. Secondly, fitness; France ran out of steam against Wales and it was no surprise to see them fade today. Thirdly, crucial refereeing decisions went England's way. The French should view that game as a blown opportunity and it must be especially disheartening for the game's best player, Picamole.

Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on February 24, 2013, 03:16
Desperately disappointing tactics from the Frogs. Michalak for Trihn Duc was understandable as Parra was missing every kick around, but then the others........

Tuilagi's 'try' made them mental, in the bad sense.

Chiefs looked the goods against the Highlanders in the Kiwi conference. End to end stuff. And also good to have Ma'a Nonu back.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 24, 2013, 09:49
What the hell happened to the Italian scrum?  Wales absolutely dismantled them.  Burton was very poor I thought - Orquera should have been brought on when they were chasing the game.

England won whilst playing no where near their best, always the sign of a good team.  It seemed that they were so focussed on 'winning the collisions' that they forgot everything else that they have done well in the first 2 games.  I couldn't work out what Tom Youngs had done to deserve being dropped, and Hartley's performance proved it - thought he had a stinker, and Lawes made the whole selection unbalanced.  Behind the scrum, Farrell had his worst game so far - and I realised is quite a dirty player - which limited England hugely.  As Guscott pointed out at half term, should have scored that try when he chipped over...  Having Tuilagi back makes a big difference in terms of 'go forward' ball, and even though he's not the best defender, he's phenomenal on the attack.  However, without 12trees, the whole backline looked like it was missing a bit of guile and finesse. 

France... I hope PSA gets an absolute roasting in the press.  Within about 2 minutes, Fofana in the centres was making a difference, and his try was superb.  Parra and T-D both played well, and PSA must be the only man who still thinks Michelak deserves game time as an international 10. 

Scotland vs Ireland this afternoon...past experience has taught me never to expect too much from Scotland, even on the back of recent good performances.  It's going to take a monster performance from the pack to nullify the Irish back row, and finger's crossed we get some good quality ball on the front foot...
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on February 24, 2013, 11:27
Think we saw a nasty side of Farrell yesterday.
Robshaw was imense though and Dan Cole was as reliable as ever.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 24, 2013, 16:01
That defied logic... I am almost speechless and have no idea how Scotland managed to win that!  Pulsating game, and thoroughly entertaining to watch.  Ireland butchered 2 try scoring opportunities in the first half, and Jackson missed 3 kicks at goal, but Scotland's defence was absolutely immense.  Only one stat that matters!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Havetts on March 05, 2013, 08:06
RUGBY HQ - REFCAM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur69HDsCSus#ws)

Thats awesome.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 06, 2013, 21:39
Parisse ban reduced - free to face England.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21689889 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21689889)

Absolutely buzzing for this weekend's games.  Scotland vs Wales should be a cracker...so long as Scotland win! 

Post Merge: March 10, 2013, 13:25
Hopefully two top games today.  Ireland vs France - lots riding on it for both teams coming off the back of defeats.  Ireland need to be far more clinical than they were against Scotland, but it's good to see Jackson get another chance at 10.  Apart from his kicking, I thought he had a good game, and can't wait to see Marshall back in action again.  For France, god only knows what is going on there, and he ain't telling.  Michelak back in at 10 beggars belief in my view, and I doubt PSA will change anything tactically from weeks gone by - meaning the subs will all come on at a pre-arranged point, regardless of how the match is going.  I expect Ireland to win quite comfortably.

Scotland vs Wales has the potential to be a cracker - as it frequently has been in the past.  Heart rooting for Scotland (and we are at home) but I'm a natural pessimist so not that confident.  I do think that Wales are a bit overrated in certain areas, and so I hope we can do one over them.  And to add spice into the mix, a Welsh mate and I have a little bet on the outcome with a forfeit to boot... 

Lots of Lions contests today as well;
Hogg vs Halfpenny at 15 - the two frontrunner, Halfpenny's solidity vs Hogg's flair
Cuthbert has gained a lot of press in recent weeks, but is sh*te defensively and so I hope maitland gives him the run around
Phillips is a leading candidate for 9 (massively overrated in my view) and Laidlaw is an outsider - can he make a case for getting himself on the plane?
In the 2nd row - MoM Jim Hamilton from last week and Grey will want to get one over the returning Wyn Jones.
In the back row, the returning Warburton against arguably the player of the tournament so far, Kelly Brown - fast becoming a serious contender for Lions captaincy.

Bring it on!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 09, 2013, 16:55
Well, that first game was crap.  Scotland's discipline was absolutely awful.  We fully deserved to get beaten - if 1/2p had remembered his kicking boots, it would have been an absolute hammering.  Full back battle ended roughly honours even - less than a gnat's whisker between the two.  Warburton was immense though - picked his moment to re-discover his form, in front of a watching Gatland.  If he performs like that against England next week, he's the Lions 7.

Post Merge: March 10, 2013, 13:24
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21725446 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21725446)

Warburton's chances just got another boost.   Hooper's a good substitute, but not in Pocock's class.  Good chance for the Lions to get an advantage at the break down.
Title: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on March 16, 2013, 18:31
Yo what's going down in Cardiff?

"@BBCSport: Owen Farrell has missed two penalty kicks for England. Momentum with Wales as they drive towards the try line again http://t.co/b7ZXxLgVQm"
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Havetts on March 16, 2013, 19:03
Amazing happened, what a game!
Title: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on March 16, 2013, 19:13
Crayzay! I missed the bulk of it!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 16, 2013, 20:21
Amazing happened, what a game!

 Total Welsh commitment and domination, from start to finish.
 Incredible atmosphere: best ever apparently.
 Frenetic pace, the only let up being the blasted farce which is the scrum.
 Joy and huge celebrations in Cardiff, tonight.

Gatland wtf?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21435112 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21435112)

I guess you got the answer as to what he was really saying, today.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 16, 2013, 21:48

I guess you got the answer as to what he was really saying, today.

 :cool:
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 17, 2013, 09:01
Can't argue with Wales being deserving winners, England were absolutely awful and were completely outplayed. 

A bit of a meh 6 nations really, not helped by the weather at all.  Biggest plus I think has been Italy - deserving winners against Ireland and France (who they have in their World Cup group...), and should have beaten England as well.

And based on how I'm feeling this morning, here is my (current) Lions 15 - based o n6 nations performances, so excluding those who have been injured througout, e.g. Lydiate...
15 - Hogg
14 - Halfpenny
13 - Davies
12 - BOD
11 - North
10 - Sexton
9 - Would like it to be Laidlaw or Murray, but suspect that Phillips will get the nod

8 - Morgan
7 - Warburton (c)
6 - Brown
5 - Evans
4 - AWJ
3 - Jones
2 - Youngs
1 - Cole

Bench: Hibbard, Vunipola, Healey, Gray (if fit), Wood, Laidlaw/Murray, Burns (a bit left field I know, but want an impact 10 on the bench...), Brown
So 2/3 Irishman, 3 Englishmen, 2/3 Scots, 7 Welsh...

Centres a real problem position I think, as is 8.  Neither Felatau or Heaslip has stood out this year, and so have picked Morgan on the basis of his display against Scotland.

Discuss...!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: sublimit on March 17, 2013, 11:47
No complaints with getting taken to the cleaners.

 I was clapping Wales with the way they played despite supporting England- particularly in the second half.  Losing narrowly is far worse usually.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 17, 2013, 13:20
:cool:

 Hardest thing about picking a Lion's squad is getting the balance right.
They hardly ever gel when one nation gets a disproportionate number of
players.
 The lesson learned from yesterday was that although both sides are very young, Wales had the greater experience playing high octane International rugby.
 Hopefully, yesterday's result won't have too much influence on selection, rather aid in producing a balance.
 Imo, it's essential that some "old heads" get to tour as well.
I think that an entirely youthful squad could have "implications" off the pitch.
Maybe Gatland also has reservations in this regard, re-England and their last WC campaign.
Of course, I'm only speculating, here.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 17, 2013, 13:45
Well done Wales, good performance from them, England less so. If anything could go wrong, it did starting with the selection of Steve 'I flipping hate the English' Walsh (http://www.theweek.co.uk/rugby/52001/rugby-steve-walsh-six-nations-england-wales) as referee. Missed kicks, missed tackles, missed overlaps, dropped ball all contributed too but when it becomes clear that only one side is going to get pinged at the scrum, the other side can do pretty much as it pleases: driving in virtually at right angles, driving before the put in etc. The Welsh were probably better in the scrum anyway but the refereeing of it impacted whether England were capable of securing any ball. They weren't.

Sour grapes? Probably but I'm usually pretty sanguine and I haven't read a report that alluded to the quality of the refereeing in a positive way.


My Lions team (Squad)? Assuming 37 tour like last time...

15. Halfpenny (Kearney to tour)
14. Gilroy (Maitland Hogg?)
13. O'Driscoll (Tuilagi)
12. Roberts (Davies)
11. North (Visser)

10. Sexton (Biggar, Farrell)
9. Phillips (Youngs, Murray)

8. Morgan (Wood)
7. O'Brian (Tipuric, Warburton)
6. Robshaw (R. Jones)
5. Gray (Launchberry)
4. AW Jones (Ryan)
3. Jones (Cole)
2. Hibbard (Best, Youngs)
1. Jenkins (Vunipola Healy)

Agree with DOTP that centres and No8 are big probs. I can see Farrell getting playing time at 12. I've somehow managed to pick a back row with no Welshmen but it could be all Welsh and no worse. Don't see Hogg getting in as a FB but as a winger maybe? The addition of Tommy Bowe makes the back 3 a lot stronger and maybe there's a place for Cuthbert too.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on March 17, 2013, 14:32
Well that was nice. Well played the Welsh. Are the English players still talking of winning the world cup if it were held today?

Was watching the Tahs Brumbies match when Pocock did his ACL, that match had the ref cam too btw. Absolute bastard of an injury. But Genia's back and Berrick Barnes on his way too. Then again, being the Wallabies, they'll have eight in the infirmary next week. And speaking of the Brumbies, they really are looking the goods now.

And the Blues, how thick were they to get rid of Gareth Anscombe to the Chiefs who already have a top half back in Cruden?
Title: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on March 20, 2013, 18:24
"@JeanSmyth: #Toulon owner, Mourad Boudjellal, says that Jonny Wilkinson will tell him within the next 15 days if he'll announce his retirement #rugby"
Title: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on March 28, 2013, 11:19
"@PaarlSAfrica: RT @Sport24Rugby: Meningitis setback: Stormers forward SchalkBurger has contracted bacterial meningitis, sidelinin... http://t.co/aDbZMNKQMc"

http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/Super15/Meningitis-setback-for-Burger-20130328
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 03, 2013, 09:54
Kidney given the boot by Ireland - hardly surprising given their dire 6 nations. 

Interesting read this over breakfast this morning, seems a little ott, but can't argue with the results at Sarries - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/9967907/Paul-Gustard-recruits-pair-of-wolves-to-enliven-Saracens-team-talk.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/9967907/Paul-Gustard-recruits-pair-of-wolves-to-enliven-Saracens-team-talk.html)

"@JeanSmyth: #Toulon owner, Mourad Boudjellal, says that Jonny Wilkinson will tell him within the next 15 days if he'll announce his retirement #rugby"
 
I think he is set to stay on, but is rumoured to have taken a pay cut. 
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 07, 2013, 15:56
So, 3 of the 4 Heineken Cup semi final places sorted - Saracens, Munster, Clermont.  Toulon vs Leicester coming up, should be an absolute cracker  :)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Zam on April 09, 2013, 17:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REldj24oA0g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REldj24oA0g)
Title: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on April 16, 2013, 06:37
"@JeanSmyth: RT @iainpayten: Hearing Drew Mitchell has officially signed with Toulon today. Big loss for Australian rugby."
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 16, 2013, 20:23
And Jonny resigns - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21980906 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21980906)

6 Nations fixtures for next two years announced, bringing with it a return of Friday night fixtures.  Booooooooo!  http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22169516 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22169516)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on April 29, 2013, 18:08
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22318106 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22318106)

Squad selection live on TalkSport at 11am tomorrow..
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on April 29, 2013, 18:25
I read Jonny's autobiography recently and what a man he is.
So determind and unbelievable drive. It is no surprise he is continuing to excel at this stage of his career and considering that the Lions should consist of the best squad of players which the nations can possibly field.. well he should make it merely based on recent performances.

A big shame for Saracens though, a lot of my friends are big Sarrie fans and Allianz Park is just down the road and they have really been on a high in recent seasons and can compete with anyone in Europe. It just wasn't their day against a team filled to the brim with stars.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 30, 2013, 06:52
Expecting a great deal from the Lions announcement - think there is scope to take lots of exciting and attacking players to Australia.  Have a horrible feeling though that Gatland will stick with what he knows, regardless of the form of others.  We'll see...


As an aside, a player I would love to see tour is Ian Madigan.  A bit of a 'bolter' sure, but has been on fire for Leinster in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on April 30, 2013, 12:03
So how did we do...?

LIONS SQUAD

Full-backs: Leigh Halfpenny, Stuart Hogg, Rob Kearney

Wings: Tommy Bowe, Sean Maitland, George North, Alex Cuthbert

Centres: Jonathan Davies, Jamie Roberts, Brian O'Driscoll, Manu Tuilagi

Fly-halves: Owen Farrell, Jonathan Sexton

Scrum-halves: Mike Phillips, Ben Youngs, Conor Murray

Props: Cian Healy, Adam Jones, Dan Cole, Matt Stevens, Mako Vunipola, Gethin Jenkins

Hookers: Dylan Hartley, Richard Hibbard, Tom Youngs

Locks: Alun Wyn Jones, Paul O'Connell, Geoff Parling, Richie Gray, Ian Evans

Back row: Toby Faletau, Jamie Heaslip, Dan Lydiate, Sean O'Brien, Justin Tipuric, Tom Croft, Sam Warburton
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Post by: cj2002 on April 30, 2013, 14:29
2 fly halves? And those two: Baby Owen Farrell and Breakable Jon Sexton.

Gatland is taking a massive risk not bringing Wilkinson along...

Likewise Nathan Hines... has been in awesome form all season long.

There are other questionable decisions in there. I'm wondering whether Gatland is actually secretly an Aussie... :fp
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 30, 2013, 16:54
Distinctly underwhelming and sadly predictable selection. 
A few thoughts;
Hogg - fan of his that I am - not an international 10
Of the centres, Roberts is the only 12 - and has been sh*te all season long.  Living off past glories/Gatland's Welsh myopia
2 fly halves - sure as hell going to get a hell of a lot of game time.  Unless Hogg plays there mid week?  Even so, at least one of them is going to be starting and/or benching virtually every game
No Ben Morgan - a crying shame


Grrr....
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: lancasterke on May 01, 2013, 08:28
I think Wilkinson will get called up once his season is over. He said he wanted to do the playoffs with toulon so was unavailable but think he'll be added to the squad when OF or JS pick up a knock in the early games. Otherwise 2 Foy halves is just weird


I find it continually amazing that the lions tour isn't scheduled to accommodate the best league in NH Rugby (which employs some of the best eligible players)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on May 13, 2013, 14:11
 From this weekends French semi final play off.
 6 minutes of madness and mayhem:
http://www.sudouest.fr/2013/05/12/la-video-des-bagarres-pendant-pau-la-rochelle-retour-sur-un-match-tendu-1051276-4565.php
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Kvinto on May 18, 2013, 18:50
Amazing second half, feel so sorry for Clermont, silly mistakes cost them the Cup. Experience won it for Toulon
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: lancasterke on May 23, 2013, 09:55
delon armitage is not a nice guy.
i wouldn't want him in my team.
be happy, celebrate but there's no lace in the game for disrespecting your fellow professionals, completely uncalled for.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on May 25, 2013, 18:17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22668122

Oh dear..
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Kvinto on May 26, 2013, 11:52
But his words of course were not aimed at the ref, Hartley simply got misunderstood... ones more  :rolleye 

Seriously, when someone of his record comes up with an excuse like this it reminds me of one lame joke about a man, being accused of stabbing smb. to death, who tried to persuade the jury that it happened by misadventure with: "I was sitting on a stool and peeled potatoes with my knife while he came into the room and approached me in intention to shake hands but the floor was wet and he slipped right in front of me falling exactly on my knife... and so took place another 8 times"

Meanwhile, Clermont managed to mess up whole their season in 8 days...

Edit:

An 11-week ban for Hartley and Rory Best (Ulster) as the replacement.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on May 27, 2013, 14:15
Quote
@Tony_Whelan: 'Classically defined, a Shakespearian tragedy is not misfortune': http://t.co/Bp13McMYkT by @brianmoore666 zing @TulsenTollett #SportMatters

Quote
Dylan Hartley's personal tragedy masks serious issue facing game following Premiership final shame

This column has highlighted, at first isolated and now all too common, instances of bad behaviour of players and coaches towards themselves and officials; it has argued that unabated they threaten to harm the game.

On Saturday, the first, portentous, incident was the haranguing of assistant referee Greg Garner by a Leicester water carrier...There followed a sustained berating of the fourth official by coach Richard Cockerill...before the whole West Stand and incited crowd comment...there have been regular incidents and...the rest of the game is angry that it appears he is allowed to do this, and that it works...Indeed, had the Rugby Football Union done something more than send Cockerill and Conor O’Shea of Harlequins a letter for ill-judged comments at the beginning of the season, this might not have happened. If Cockerill escapes without a ban, there will be justifiable uproar.

Professional players should know the laws inside out...referee...Barnes is to be congratulated for taking a stand but had he and his colleague been harder on this growing problem by use of cards or the 10-metre sanction, we might not be here.

This fractiousness was caused, in major part, by yet more inadequate refereeing of the scrum and if Barnes and his elite brethren did not ignore laws and/or selectively apply them, reducing the scrum to a lottery, this tension would not exist.

Classically defined, a Shakespearian tragedy is not misfortune, it is the ineluctable consequences of a character’s flaws; their inability to avoid a disastrous denouement, however they try.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/brianmoore/10081776/Dylan-Hartleys-personal-tragedy-masks-serious-issue-facing-game-following-Premiership-final-shame.html

Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: lancasterke on May 28, 2013, 19:13
almost without fail when there's controversy to be had Dylan Hartley is involved. the guy's record is embarrassing.
eye gouging, biting, punching, dwarf tossing, the thing with the hotel maid in NZ and this abusing the ref.
most players in this scenario i'd feel sorry for them, or even give them the benefit of the doubt. there's nothing tragic about this story, one of the least disciplined, least professional players in the game has earned himself another ban.

no sympathy.

also i think best is a better player and so this will strengthen the squad anyway.

Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on May 29, 2013, 00:50
So, would you usually sympathise with the players unless they are total tools? And specifically cos the ref actually made a mess up, or because nobody's perfect and sometimes people just mouth off?


dwarf tossing

I'd give all my VR$ to see that!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on May 29, 2013, 08:32
So, would you usually sympathise with the players unless they are total tools? And specifically cos the ref actually made a mess up, or because nobody's perfect and sometimes people just mouth off?

I'd give all my VR$ to see that!
Have you seen how Hockey is reffed? ("field" for those on the other side of the Atlantic). Just two officials, no mouthing off, no interference with the ball after the whistle has gone, no gamesmanship, no spats between players, nothing. The reason being that refs apply the letter of the law and players have to respond to that or find another hobby - zero tolerance. Calling someone, whoever, an effing cheat is probably a sending-off offence in most team sports; the fact that most sports, including rugby but especially football ("soccer" for those on the other side of the Atlantic) fail to stamp out these offences, does them no favours at all.

I agree with lancasterke, that I'm glad Hartley isn't going on the trip, because he's a tool. That sort of petty, pointless indiscipline can cost you cup finals and it can cost you test series. Better to stay at home and reflect on how to move forward from here.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: lancasterke on May 29, 2013, 08:41
If it was most other people I'd believe they were talking to another player and have sympathy that the  consequences were so severe.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on May 29, 2013, 09:59
Have you seen how Hockey is reffed? ("field" for those on the other side of the Atlantic). Just two officials, no mouthing off, no interference with the ball after the whistle has gone, no gamesmanship, no spats between players, nothing. The reason being that refs apply the letter of the law and players have to respond to that or find another hobby - zero tolerance. Calling someone, whoever, an effing cheat is probably a sending-off offence in most team sports; the fact that most sports, including rugby but especially football ("soccer" for those on the other side of the Atlantic) fail to stamp out these offences, does them no favours at all.

I agree with lancasterke, that I'm glad Hartley isn't going on the trip, because he's a tool. That sort of petty, pointless indiscipline can cost you cup finals and it can cost you test series. Better to stay at home and reflect on how to move forward from here.

Thanks, I'm inclined to agree with you.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on May 29, 2013, 10:00
If it was most other people I'd believe they were talking to another player and have sympathy that the  consequences were so severe.

Ok, I see, thanks.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: sublimit on May 29, 2013, 12:44
Dylan Hartley is a bit of an idiot,  Best is probably better anyway so no worries there.

But considering how poor and arbitrary some refereeing decisions can be its no surprise this sort of cheating stuff from Hartley and histrionics from the likes of Richard Cockeril are starting to creep in though.



Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on May 29, 2013, 13:59
But considering how poor and arbitrary some refereeing decisions can be its no surprise

Tbh I don't have a clue who any of these guys are, rugby is one of the sports I don't really follow at all, although I do enjoy watching it, it's not one of my faves. The article was interesting and what with all the sh*t going on in football I was curious to know what others 'in the know' think. So, are the refs *really* that bad? Bad enough to make players acting out their frustrations slightly justifiable? I know this is the rugby thread, but I guess the reason I ask in the 1st place is more to do with football than rugby.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: sublimit on May 29, 2013, 14:50
In my opinion there a lot of bad referees out there,  particularly for International matches where being a spectator you can be kind of left dumbfounded, baffled or whatever.

Welshman Nigel Owens is a particularly good referee but too many are biased, incompetent or both for me.

Title: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: kabloemski on May 29, 2013, 16:55
Thanks, Subs.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Kvinto on June 18, 2013, 13:39
Good job today by the Brumbies to deny Lions of the good spirits of 6 out of 6 before the first test on Saturday. Shame that the game was scheduled on the same week as the 1st test so both teams were considerably weakened. To be fair the Lions were non-existent before the subs. Hogg had the game to forget, maybe if Farrell replaced him earlier the Lions would’ve won (they'll  start with Sexton as their №10 on Saturday anyway) but I'm quite content it didn't happen and the Brumbies won.

Unfortunetely I won’t be able to watch the first test on Saturday but sincerely hope The Wallabies will win it. 
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 22, 2013, 13:32
 Great win for the Lions and a fantastic try from our boy.
 All round the wing play was terrific for it's quality of finishing.

The Lions clearly had problems in dealing with the referee's interpretation.
Something that shouldn't be an issue for the rest of the series.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on June 22, 2013, 16:47
Can't win tests without a goal kicker. Australia found that, 11 straight forward missed points and Beale's last penalty. How bad was O'Connor? So bad that I desperately want to see Quade Cooper. Thought the game bypassed him and Genia was the sole playmaker. Deans cocked up by not selecting Cooper for the squad. Could do worse than picking Toomua too.

Welcome to test matches Israel Folau. And so too Leli'ifano on a rather worse note.

Lions' scrum completely collapsed in the second half. Definitely expecting Australia to get more coordinated in the next match, hopefully with the Queensland pair at half back.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 22, 2013, 18:32
Lucky Lions. Sets the rest of the series up nicely though.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: AG on June 23, 2013, 01:14
more like crappy Aussies ... if the Wallabies learn to kick straight we might have a chance    :fp
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 23, 2013, 10:53
more like crappy Aussies ... if the Wallabies learn to kick straight we might have a chance    :fp

That's about the size of it.
Sure, the Lions were "lucky" that the Aussie goal kicking was atrocious,
but they sure were "unlucky" with how many of those penalties were
awarded in the first place.

According to referee Pollack's interpretation of the breakdown, it is illegal to
contest the ball on the floor while standing on your feet, because your weight
is being supported by players in the ruck. However, it is legal to dive over the ruck
to contest the ball.
That's a pretty "unique" interpretation, it has to be said.

Until yesterday, I'd never realised that a forward pass, no matter how forward, 
wasn't a forward pass just so long as a player's hand are pointing backwards at the time.

 However, very bad luck for the Aussies with all those injuries amongst their backs.

All in all, I'd say that the luck evened itself out.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LukasCPH on June 23, 2013, 11:05
Until yesterday, I'd never realised that a forward pass, no matter how forward, 
wasn't a forward pass just so long as a player's hand are pointing backwards at the time.
:wut
I don't know much about rugby, but I know that a forward pass is no-no, no matter what.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Kvinto on June 23, 2013, 11:20
Meh, it was a decent try, no need to spoil it by the itty-bitty forward pass  :brzzzz
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: ram on June 23, 2013, 12:04
The second Folau try? Thought it was along the line. And if that was an issue, BOD obstructing JOC?

The first, I agree, there was no advantage and should've been a Lions penalty.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 23, 2013, 12:51
As enny skoolboy kno,

if you run forward along the x axis with vector velocity v and throw the ball behind you with velocity u such that the vector velocity along the x axis is less than v, then the ball will travel backwards relative to the players but forwards relative to the pitch.

When you then factor in the referee's relative motion which can lead to a backwards pass looking forwards and vici versa, it is understandable that rugby looks at the direction of the players hands rather than the flight of the ball to determine marginal calls.

The Lions did get lucky with the kicks, but actually the main bit of luck was in having so many Wallabies' backs put out of the game, something that led directly to the Cuthbert try. But instead of leading to a flood of tries, that was about the last time he received a pass.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 23, 2013, 16:06
 Another stroke of fine fortune for Australia.
Cap'n Horwill gets reprieved for introducing his studs
to Alun Wyn Jones's face.
No sanction certainly makes it honours even in the luck stakes.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 25, 2013, 10:57
Mind you, watching the mid week game right now and have to say that watching the Lion's play is
a bit like watching Sky riding a mountain stage. :ohno:
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: sublimit on June 25, 2013, 12:19
The best compliment I can say is that they play like England circa 2003 -  Boring but getting the job done. 

Though that team arguably had better forwards but worse backs than the current Lions.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 29, 2013, 13:26
 Aussies well worthy of their second test win.
Seems they want to play with ball in hand and the Lion's don't.
Now to catch up with that bit of a bike race...........
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: sublimit on July 02, 2013, 14:02
Considering they have so many Welsh players the Lions are not playing like Wales at all.   Strange considering Gatland is the coach.   

Questions will be asked if they continue to play so cautiously I reckon.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on July 03, 2013, 12:28
Can't help but feel Gatland has taken a huge gamble with the team for the final test.  No BOD?  Yes he's getting on a bit, but still one of the top centres in the world and in a match of this importance I'd have him in the team.  It's basically Wales vs Australia for the final test - Aussies win.  There is zero creativity in the backs that will threaten the Aussies - Roberts to go route one, and not much else.  No back 3 cover either...



Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on July 03, 2013, 12:32
He had to change something, but has he changed too much?
He picked what I believe he genuinely believed was his best team and I can just hope they justify that. I would have liked to see Tuilagi in that team as well but obviously the competition for places in the centre is quite fierce.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on July 03, 2013, 14:34
Main problem with the centres is that only one 12 was taken - Roberts, so with him injured, they've been on the back foot. 

If they win on Saturday, Gatland's a genius, if they lose (and I fear they will), then he'll be loudly criticised.  Either way, should be a cracking match - more North vs Falau match up's please!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Kvinto on July 06, 2013, 10:55
I watched the third test of 2001 Lions' Tour the other day. Awesome game, I would love to see something on par (in terms of entertainment) today. Pity that O'Driscoll got omitted and great to see George Smith again... I'll be cheering for the Wallabies, though I perhaps bear a little bit more sympathy to the Lions squad on aggregate but I've read probably too much British press before the tour and must say they are pretty versed in alienating neutral supporters.  But anyway, may the best team win.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on July 06, 2013, 11:08
 Well the Lions have scored under the posts inside 2 minutes.
Could be in for a cracker.

Now Smith out of the game already.
Yet another clash of heads.
Hibbard's must be made of rock.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: AG on July 06, 2013, 11:18
the Lions certainly look pretty fresh and ready to play .   going to be a fun game
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Zam on July 06, 2013, 12:42
Spanking by the Lions. Oh well, it's four countries against one.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on July 06, 2013, 21:15
:woohoo 

Guess Gatland knew what he was doing after all.  Great performance by Wales *ahem* the Lions, sorry.  Deans to be looking for a new job soon I guess.  Fantastic performance by the Lions (the snippets I saw at least) - 41-16 is a good old fashioned shellacking

Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on July 06, 2013, 22:53
:woohoo 

Guess Gatland knew what he was doing after all.  Great performance by Wales *ahem* the Lions, sorry.  Deans to be looking for a new job soon I guess.  Fantastic performance by the Lions (the snippets I saw at least) - 41-16 is a good old fashioned shellacking
Great result for the Lions. I think it shows just how crucial referees are: two Southern Hemisphere refs and it's very tight between the two sides, one NH one and it's a steamroller. Ben Alexander falls on his face in every scrum in the 2nd test and for some reason Vunipola is penalised; he does the same in the 3rd but this time is sin binned and then quickly subbed.

As for Gatland's picks, he got more right than wrong: Felatau was excellent, Hibbard rewarded Gatland with decent line outs and the centres had a great game. On the negative side, It was no surprise to see Mike Philips subbed and I'm not sure that he got 6 & 7 right, but he got the job done and that's the important thing.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: AG on July 07, 2013, 02:43
Dunno that it was about the Ref'ing ... just that the Aussies played like sh*t.

Well done by the Lions though.  There certainly wasnt any question about who was the better team
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on July 07, 2013, 08:24
Great result for the Lions. I think it shows just how crucial referees are: two Southern Hemisphere refs and it's very tight between the two sides, one NH one and it's a steamroller. Ben Alexander falls on his face in every scrum in the 2nd test and for some reason Vunipola is penalised; he does the same in the 3rd but this time is sin binned and then quickly subbed.

This
Romain Poite tends to one of the better scrummaging refs, if such a person exists.
He got it right, whereas Joubert, the week before, didn't.

The scrum is a mess; a penalty minefield determining far too many match results.

Anyhow, I'm glad that the score was one sided, as it removes any bitterness from the
interpretation of the laws debate.
Title: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: z-tech on August 03, 2013, 23:55
Chiefs too good for the Brumbies in the Super Rugby final last night.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/chiefs-storm-home-to-pip-brumbies-in-super-rugby-final/story-e6frg7o6-1226690731758
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 23, 2014, 13:57
The 6 Nations is at the halfway point and with 18 months to go before the world cup, sides need to be in good shape and roughly sure who most of their starting 15 will be come the start of the competition.

Worst off is Scotland. Although they won in Italy yesterday, they have an absence of world class players, particularly at 9 & 10, and no great areas of strength. And amazingly, given how few good players they have, they seem to have no idea who they are. There would be little justification in selecting a single Scottish player from that Italy game for any of the English, French, Irish or Welsh teams.

The Italians are in a strange position in that they have an excellent tight 5 which picks itself, plus Parisse who is world class. I've always liked Zanni too but he seems out of form/favour. The trouble is that outside the pack, they've got no-one. Previous coaches played to Italy's strengths and a nine man game but you can beat poor sides like that, even decent sides on a bad day, but never good sides. The current coach is trying to develop a more rounded game and hopefully this will bear fruit in time.

France are in a bit of a state, it's anyone's guess who will line up next year. They have some wonderful backs but the pack isn't giving them the platform and 9, 10 and 13 aren't helping to release them. They could turn it all around next year but I can't see it right now.

England are looking like they could challenge on home turf. There are issues though: inexperience in the backs, no real #7, Farrell still to grow up, Twelvetrees not looking the real deal, injury prone front row, and still a wing short. But these are all fixable and I wouldn't be surprised to see England as the biggest challenger to the SH teams especially as England is the only home nation to have any sort of record of beating SH teams.

Wales had an awful game against Ireland but came back well against France, they are good to very good in every position but, with the exception of George North, not great. They also have a horrible record against SH teams given how good they've been domestically.

Finally, the best of this year's bunch so far, Ireland. They lost an epic game away to England but only narrowly. They look very strong up front and their new coach seems to have re-ignited them. The biggest worry for them is the lack of centres next year with BO'D retiring and Gordon D'arcy eligible for his free bus pass, there doesn't  seem to be anyone grabbing their spots.
 
 


Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Ram on March 07, 2014, 16:53
Gotta feel for Pocock. Ruptured ACL last year, and now has to reconstruct it and loses another season. Nice win considering the circumstances for ACT.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Ram on March 10, 2014, 03:10
Poite wasn't as bad as his horror Boks AB showing in the RC last year.

But thought that repeat offence for early push in the scrum was a penalty (with first offence being free kick), not a sin bin. England well superior though and twas a sublime through ball by Twelvetrees'
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: 42x16ss on March 10, 2014, 05:53
Gotta feel for Pocock. Ruptured ACL last year, and now has to reconstruct it and loses another season. Nice win considering the circumstances for ACT.
Luckily there are quite a few good flankers stepping up this season. When Pocock gets back he may be struggling just to win his spot back.

Luckily for me, the Waratahs are looking damn good this year! Forwards are looking strong and Beale and Folau are embarassing their opponents defence.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Ram on March 10, 2014, 06:27
Saw them in the derby against the Reds, and that was a steamrolling. Couple of things I wondered, have the Waratahs finally found a proper role for Beale (on and off the field)? Also will Queensland struggle much with McKenzie's departure? Not that they've been too bad so far.

George Smith may well be back to the Brumbies with Pocock gone. Guess that's the upside to it. And Jake White still going strong. Very surprising how he isn't an international coach now really.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: sublimit on March 10, 2014, 13:51
So England win the triple crown for what thats worth - ie zilch.   Not bad though from England with a few players I'd barely heard of before like Newall etc given a go.  Just wish the English football team manager replicating the rugby management in going for form players not passed it guys with over 100 caps that never perform when it matters.

Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 10, 2014, 15:03
Poite wasn't as bad as his horror Boks AB showing in the RC last year.

But thought that repeat offence for early push in the scrum was a penalty (with first offence being free kick), not a sin bin. England well superior though and twas a sublime through ball by Twelvetrees'
The offense was driving at 90 degrees from straight. It was quite interesting because Poite gave the penalty  to Wales at the first scrum but obviously something drew his attention to Gethin Jenkins' driving angle because later, Poite called Warburton over and warned him about it. The rest is history, but looking at the players' expressions I wonder whether Hibbard wasn't the problem. Who knows what goes on in there.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Ram on March 10, 2014, 16:35
Have to watch it again. Gethin Jenkins clearly did turn the scrum, but thought it led from an early push.... In any case, he had a few infringements while scrummaging.

Mind, I don't like Poite... destroyed the RC last year with the Bismarck du Plessis red. So I'm not clouded at all.

As an apart, must be one of the most thankless tasks being a referee.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on August 11, 2015, 20:53
Nearly World Cup time, the three year wait since the draw was made is nearly over. Are we all ready..
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: froome19 on August 11, 2015, 20:58
Interestingly enough... was just in South Africa and the Rugby World Cup fever there appears to be much greater than round these parts. I really haven't seem or heard much in England in the leadup, possibly one reason is due to the hard to come by nature of tickets and their price. My friend have to fork out £200 for a ticket..
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on August 11, 2015, 21:10
Yeah got to agree it is still quiet where the WC is concerned even with warm up matches starting in a few days time. Most chat about  it I have seen is football sites.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LukasCPH on August 11, 2015, 21:14
Rugby! :D

Admittedly the World Cup is the only rugby I ever get to see. Mainly because rugby simply doesn't exist as a broadcasted sport in Denmark, but World Cup matches are somewhat easier to get by.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on August 11, 2015, 21:28
My friend have to fork out £200 for a ticket..

If thats for Eng v Aus then its a bargin
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Joelsim on August 11, 2015, 21:41
It's not really got a massive following. It's only really played by Public Schools and Grammar Schools so is a bit elitest. It will never appeal to the masses rather like cycling. I may watch some of the England games but don't see much point unless they are against a top nation, still far too many 67-0 games for my liking.

Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Murrjt on August 11, 2015, 22:15
Ive got tickets for Argentina vs Tonga in Leicester, I'm mildly excited.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on August 11, 2015, 22:18
It's not really got a massive following. It's only really played by Public Schools and Grammar Schools so is a bit elitest. It will never appeal to the masses rather like cycling. I may watch some of the England games but don't see much point unless they are against a top nation, still far too many 67-0 games for my liking.

 Not where I come from, pal.
Rugby played in all secondary schools. Used to be compulsory, unlike football.
Dragon rugby in junior schools.
I don't think anybody will be calling us lot elitist anytime soon. :D

Hopefully our George can get through this WC without another concussion.
He's got a big wedding to attend at the start of October, mid tournament, when a certain Sky rider ties the knot. :shh ;)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LukasCPH on August 11, 2015, 22:27
Not where I come from, pal.
Rugby played in all secondary schools. Used to be compulsory, unlike football.
Dragon rugby in junior schools.
I don't think anybody will be calling us lot elitist anytime soon. :D
You're Welsh. I imagine the rugby culture is very different in Wales, Ireland and Scotland than in England. Even different from Northern England to Southern England.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Joelsim on August 11, 2015, 22:29
Oh sh*t, are you Welsh? I was starting to quite like you too.  :lol
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: 42x16ss on September 16, 2015, 07:37
Can't wait for the WC to start, Pool A is going to be nuts. RSA vs. Samoa should be a ripper, you just know that will be a great display of good, clean, wholesome, sportsmanlike Rugby :D

Eng vs. Fiji should be brutal too, you just know that the Fijians will go out with everything they've got. I must confess I love watching big forward packs mash each other up :lol
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: lancasterke on September 16, 2015, 12:47
Buzzing about the RWC. going to NZ vs Arg, and then a few more after that.

great sport, great event

hope england don't butcher their chances!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Havetts on September 16, 2015, 13:58
Hopefully its broadcasted in the Netherlands so I can actually watch some without havign to resort to illegal streams :)
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: DJW on September 16, 2015, 16:30
Can't wait for the opening weekend. Suspect England will start slowly as always.

Then going to France v Italy at Twickenham, should be an entertaining game!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LaVelocipede on September 16, 2015, 17:42
Confident of Ireland reaching at least the semis this year.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: 42x16ss on September 17, 2015, 03:51
Buzzing about the RWC. going to NZ vs Arg, and then a few more after that.

great sport, great event

hope england don't butcher their chances!
All Blacks vs. Pumas should be good, really good. Argentina has certainly improved since joining Aus, NZ and RSA in the Rugby Championship. They should be the best after the main 5 (NZ, RSA, Aus, Eng, France) and may even upset one of them.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on September 17, 2015, 10:59
Confident of Ireland reaching at least the semis this year.
The law of averages says it has to happen sometime soon.

Their best chance was last time round when a final place was well within their capability. This time they don't look as potent, over-reliant on Sexton who's good but no Dan Carter.

All Blacks are clear favourites but demonstrated again last time that they always have one sub-par performance in every World Cup.
Australia have risen back up the rankings to 2, but they'll be lucky to go through the tournament without meeting a referee who penalises their scrummage out of existence.
South Africa at 3 are the same beasts as always only with less cutting edge than in their best years.
England at 4 have home field advantage and could go all the way but look, as ever, like a work in progress.
Wales, unlucky not to go all the way last time round, have just lost two key squad members and have to beat Australia or England even to progress to the latter stages and even if they do, they have a woeful record against the Southern Hemisphere teams.
Ireland at 6, see above.
France at 7, who knows what they'll produce? Inconsistency mainly.
Argentina at 8, easy group but I think the UK won't be as happy a hunting ground as France was.

The inescapable conclusion is that no-one will win.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on September 18, 2015, 19:35
Well the waiting is nearly over with just half an hour to go until the RWC kicks of. Really looking forward to this, come on England.

Looking forward to seeing Israel Folau when he gets going.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Joelsim on September 18, 2015, 21:14
That Nadolo fella would give Betancur a run for his money in a tug-of-war
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 18, 2015, 21:35
 Nandolo just runs through half of the English team.

Swing low just about sums up the game with 15 minutes or so left.
Poor fare.
Dallaglio now whining about the referee, which he wasn't doing in the first half.

Already obvious to me is the fact that the most influential player of the tournament will be the TMO.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Joelsim on September 18, 2015, 23:53
Swing low is a sh*te song at the best of times!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 19, 2015, 09:32
 Ultimately, England got through their tricky opener with all they desired: a bonus point win and no injuries.
I was at the Wales v Fiji game last year and that was awful, due in no small measure to an inexperienced referee, the even more tedious TMO referrals and some strange decisions that resulted.

 On that subject, beware French officials sitting in front of video screens.

 I watch quite a lot of the French pro 14s and to say that their upstairs decisions regularly appear crazy and totally out of synch with the rest of the planet is an under statement.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on September 19, 2015, 09:34
Well, thank goodness it was Fiji.

The biggest causes for concern are:

1 the scrum - if we play like that against say, South Africa, we will get penalised into oblivion. All they'll need to do is drop the ball, win a penalty at the subsequent scrum, and march up the field.

2. The breakdown - we didn't win anything, we lost loads - most top teams will turrn turnover ball into points.

3. Lack of on-the-field management - England made huge progress when sending big men up the 12 channel. They did it in two drives but didn't really seem to incorporate this into a change of strategy, it just sort of occurred and then they tried something else. If the fringes are protected and if the ball gets passed down the line to a winger confronted by 3 opposition backs, the gaps must be elsewhere. You've got to earn the right to go wide, otherwise you're running into trouble with no support.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Flo on September 19, 2015, 11:52
Does anyone have a match schedule for this World cup? And what is the best way to watch, livestream? There are a few matches live on tv here though.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on September 19, 2015, 12:37
Does anyone have a match schedule for this World cup? And what is the best way to watch, livestream? There are a few matches live on tv here though.
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/fixtures
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Joelsim on September 19, 2015, 13:57
http://youtu.be/yiKFYTFJ_kw
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: DJW on September 19, 2015, 13:58
English scrum has looked uncharacteristically weak for a while now, they will come under serious pressure later in the tournament.

I think ultimately they took their opportunities well and did what they needed to, less nervy than the tournament opener could have been.

Imho they need to drop Ford for the Australia and Wales games. What he brings in his attacking game is nullified by the sides weakness in defence and lack of control over some of the basics of the game. Farrell is much better at this, same as Wilkinson used to be. If they're going to win this they will need to be same old boring England for long parts of games and strangle the opposition.


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Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 19, 2015, 14:25
Does anyone have a match schedule for this World cup? And what is the best way to watch, livestream? There are a few matches live on tv here though.

Fixture list here:
https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/fixtures

It's a pity it's not on the BBC, cos I assume you can get that.
ITV, never had cause to look and it's not as easy as i thought.

This site seems to fit the bill though.
Ireland v Canada for my local stadium, up next in about 5 minutes. ;)

http://www.realstreamunited.com/rugby-live-streaming-video.html

The recommended stream looks good to me.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Flo on September 19, 2015, 15:20
Yes I cannot get ITV. I can get BBC 1234 but not ITV. Earlier this year I watched 6 nations cup on BBC :cool

The streams look good. Canada is getting slaughtered by Ireland :D Georgia beat Tonga :o
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on September 19, 2015, 17:08
Very lively start by Japan against the Boks without reward
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LaVelocipede on September 19, 2015, 18:15
Canada is getting slaughtered by Ireland :D
Yes they did. A good start!
But  *jp!!!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LaVelocipede on September 19, 2015, 18:46
I think I speak for us all.
What the flip just happened?
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Flo on September 19, 2015, 18:48
Wow Japan!!!! *jp *jp
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on September 19, 2015, 18:52
Amazing,

So glad they went all or nothing.

They could have kicked a penalty or tried for a drop goal for the draw but they went for it and got what it deserved.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Joelsim on September 19, 2015, 18:54
That was truly brilliant!

Absolutely stunning.

Ha ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 19, 2015, 19:42
 I just finished.

Wtf? I mean wtf did we just witness?
Me too with the so glad they went all or nothing, sentiment.
Unbelievable is a word often misused, but in this instance that was truly unbelievable.

The Japanese and neutrals who watched will still think they were dreaming.
The SAs will think they are stuck in a nightmare, wishing they can wake up.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LukasCPH on September 24, 2015, 19:58
*na vs. *nz tonight.

They're going to get slaughtered, but I don't care ... Go *na Namibia! :cheer
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Slapshot on September 24, 2015, 20:08
New Zealand will be slaughtered at home in the media if they don't rattle up 100 points.... never mind  #scotland won yesterday that's really ALL that matters!!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: DJW on September 24, 2015, 20:36
It's already pretty emphatic....
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LukasCPH on September 24, 2015, 20:57
*nz 34-6 *na at halftime.

Wasn't ever going to be a real contest, but *na are holding up well. Got close to the *nz try-line several times, but not good enough to get through the defense and score a try.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 24, 2015, 21:59
 Surprisingly low score for NZ, I think. Helped by a brace of late tries, but well below their par.
They have always been unmerciful when it comes to racking up points against minor opposition.

To me, they look a bit stale, after their long season.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: DJW on September 24, 2015, 22:00
Decent performance by ~ *na, thought they were in for a hammering after 20 minutes but they gave a very good account of themselves and deserved their try.

Amazing *nz try at the end though!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Slapshot on September 24, 2015, 23:08
Chapeau to  *na they stood up well to  *nz easily expected a 100 point gap
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 26, 2015, 21:57
 Wales! :D
How did we manage that, coming back as we did with a completely re-shuffled back line?
Our George in the centre, scrum half on wing, Out half as full back and......................Alex "Clueless" Cuthbert.

Lizzie A wins too.
What an evening!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LaVelocipede on October 11, 2015, 14:12
Big game today for us! Right after Paris-Tours, the business end of which is right after Ronse.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: LaVelocipede on October 11, 2015, 18:40
Wahoo!
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Archieboy on October 11, 2015, 18:43
Nice one.

Great win sir
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 12, 2015, 11:07
 So, the pool games are completed with the biggest surprise for me, being three time winners, Japan.
Had they not been expected to turn around in just 4 days, after the hardest game they had collectively played, who knows?
They certainly faded badly in that second half against Scotland.

 Others will probably cite the non-qualification of England, but given that only 6 months earlier, Wales had been odds on favourites to win in Cardiff and this being the aptly named "group of death"....

 In the end, we get what many would have predicted as the quarter finals, from which I'd say Ireland and Wales, in that order, offer the Northern Hemisphere's only chance for progression.
 Yet, in saying that, I'd also tip Argentina as the dark horse team. No longer are they just a one dimensional, forward force.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: cj2002 on October 12, 2015, 11:21
So, the pool games are completed with the biggest surprise for me, being three time winners, Japan.
Had they not been expected to turn around in just 4 days, after the hardest game they had collectively played, who knows?

One would hope (but certainly not expect) that the performances of Japan and Georgia - both securing automatic qualification for RWC2019[1] - would trigger a rethink of the competitive structure, and push the so-called "Tier 1" nations into engaging with them to further aid their development.

Argentina are a case in point... they were included in the Tri-Nations (now, of course, the "Rugby Championship") against, arguably, the three top sides in the world, and they have progressed into a top side, who shouldn't be written off against anybody. Georgia and Japan, and perhaps Fiji and Samoa, have the same potential to develop if they are given the opportunities. Whether the old boys' club of the IRB will do anything about this remains to be seen.

I was dreading coming back here (here being both VR and the UK in general) and having to face those who, like MV, are not of a red rose persuasion after England's performance. In the 4 years under Stuart Lancaster, England have progressed from an inconsistent but potentially brilliant side to one that is consistently not quite good enough. Four consecutive 2nd-place finishes in the Six Nations would make Peter Sagan laugh in pity; and it's not as if one other side has been dominant... both Wales and Ireland have beaten us to the title in that time.

Our win over Fiji was rusty - a side getting used to the pressures of being a host nation. Against Wales we were not good enough. Against Australia we barely turned up[2]. Even the first half against Uruguay seemed laboured. We have some very good players, and there is competition for almost every position. But we don't have enough spark. We don't have enough real game changers. There are very few players, I would argue, who would worry top-quality opposition by their inclusion in the squad.

It will be interesting to see what the even-older boys' club of the RFU do next. Lancaster deserves a position within the coaching set up - he is too talented to lose completely. But I think we need someone a bit more special to take this group of players - and the exciting crop of younger guys coming through the ranks - and allow them to fulfill their potential in Japan in four years' time.
 1. Although Japan did already have a place assured as hosts, they also earned one on merit
 2. I was in Greece, 2 hours ahead of UK time... I survived to half time, which was about midnight, and gave up and went to bed...
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 12, 2015, 13:06
Interesting that you mention a rethink on the competitive structure.
I was discussing that topic this morning.
Aside the obvious need to address the issue of match turnover time, the one suggestion I would put forward would be to introduce a plate competition for the sides finishing 3rd and 4th in their respective groups. It could be played off using the same format as the main competition and served up as an aperitif, perhaps for the QFs by using the preceding Friday for two matches and having one game before the pair of quarter finals.


As for seeding and selecting groups, three years before the event. The loss of revenue to the IRB, through England's early exit, should ensure changes will be made for the next WC.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Capt_Cavman on October 12, 2015, 13:16
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I was dreading coming back here (here being both VR and the UK in general) and having to face those who, like MV, are not of a red rose persuasion after England's performance. In the 4 years under Stuart Lancaster, England have progressed from an inconsistent but potentially brilliant side to one that is consistently not quite good enough. Four consecutive 2nd-place finishes in the Six Nations would make Peter Sagan laugh in pity; and it's not as if one other side has been dominant... both Wales and Ireland have beaten us to the title in that time.

Our win over Fiji was rusty - a side getting used to the pressures of being a host nation. Against Wales we were not good enough. Against Australia we barely turned up[1]. Even the first half against Uruguay seemed laboured. We have some very good players, and there is competition for almost every position. But we don't have enough spark. We don't have enough real game changers. There are very few players, I would argue, who would worry top-quality opposition by their inclusion in the squad.

It will be interesting to see what the even-older boys' club of the RFU do next. Lancaster deserves a position within the coaching set up - he is too talented to lose completely. But I think we need someone a bit more special to take this group of players - and the exciting crop of younger guys coming through the ranks - and allow them to fulfill their potential in Japan in four years' time.
 1. I was in Greece, 2 hours ahead of UK time... I survived to half time, which was about midnight, and gave up and went to bed...
I think you should watch the second half of AUS vs ENG, the hacks in the media are earning their corn by calling it a malling but with 70 minutes gone, England had closed to within 7 pts and were in the ascendancy. Then Farrell got his marching orders and England fell apart.

But the key result was the Wales game, which England had been bossing up to the hour mark and then threw away compounded with the decision to go for the line out rather than the match tying kick.

As for Lancaster, I have mostly sympathy with a bit of criticism at some of his less key decisions. It's not his fault that Tuilagi, Hartley, Abendon and the Armitage bros absented themselves for various reasons. Either you want to play for England enough or you don't, these guys who would have made a massive difference to Engand's chances, didn't.

I thought taking Burgess was the correct decision, he might have been great (and certainly out performed Barritt) and Burrell had proved he wasn't great on plenty of occassions.

But there were ripple effects all through the team, Tom Youngs' inclusion meant that Parling had to play because of his line out ability which meant that England were weakened in the scrum and breakdown. Barritt didn't look fit and neither did Mike Brown in the AUS game. Joseph's injury was key, as was the problems England had getting a fit No8 onto the field.

The things I'd say Lancaster got wrong were a) his replacements - having three potential fly halves and three potential full backs in the match day 23 makes no sense when you only have two potential centres and two potential wings. Also the replacements seemed to destabilise England against Wales and Australia, maybe he could have left key players on longer; Delallio played every minute of 2003.
b) On the field decision making  - Robshaw isn't a tactical genius, there needs to be someone in the team who he can turn to, even if that person isn't a born leader, someone who can say, "Don't be stupid, take the three points and live to fight another day." In 2003, England had leaders all over the park, some of that simply comes with accruing International experience; England didn't have nearly enough of it and needed to have an alternative way of making better decisions on the park.

Ultimately, Lancaster had a pretty weak hand, didn't play it perfectly but it wasn't a winning hand so better to let him use this experience to make him a better coach next time round.

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Post by: Slapshot on October 12, 2015, 13:34
 #scotland #scotland #scotland #scotland #scotland #scotland shame about  *england ......... not  *scotland *scotland
 
We're through.... how did that happen and I don't buy the Japan faded bit, every game is played for 80 minutes every team is prepped to play for that 80 minutes, if the situation were reversed, Scotland wouldn't get a sniff of using the "FADED" excuse from the media, pundits or any other nation's rugby fans.

I do feel sorry for Japan but that's the way tournaments like this go.

Scotland have been a big surprise to me and a very pleasant one, I think we have a good future with this group of players. Wales have been good and I'm sure Ireland got better last night after they lost O'Connell, O'Mahoney and Sexton, England didn't deserve to go through.... they have been poor.... or maybe they just faded too!!

Do you change the format,?? Yes I think so, plate comp would be great but sort these seedings out but I think these groups have given us a fantastic tournament so far, the fact that none of the scores have been the astronomic scorelines of the past is brilliant, there's been some standout games, Ireland France last night was fantastic.

Anyway.... we now have next weekend to look forward to....... well some of us...  #scotland #scotland #scotland
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Post by: cj2002 on October 12, 2015, 13:34
All good points, Capt. Particularly this:

b) On the field decision making  - Robshaw isn't a tactical genius, there needs to be someone in the team who he can turn to, even if that person isn't a born leader, someone who can say, "Don't be stupid, take the three points and live to fight another day." In 2003, England had leaders all over the park, some of that simply comes with accruing International experience; England didn't have nearly enough of it and needed to have an alternative way of making better decisions on the park.

As it happens, I don't think Robshaw was necessarily wrong to push for the match-winning try rather than the match-drawing kick. It was going to be an absurdly difficult kick, even for the best players. Wales quite rightly didn't contest in the air and so were ready with their defence as soon as the catcher was on the floor. Should Robshaw have seen that coming... maybe. If Ford or Farrell had said "let me kick at goal" - with the sort of confidence that Wilkinson would have shown in a similar situation - would he have let them?

With the right management, England 2019 will be a force to be reckoned with... another 4 years experience and, hopefully, a consistent selection for the key positions to allow them time to learn each others' games. England need to learn to finish the job.

As for seeding and selecting groups, three years before the event. The loss of revenue to the IRB, through England's early exit, should ensure changes will be made for the next WC.

This is true, of course. I was left wondering what would have happened if one of the 6 Nations or Rugby Championship sides hadn't guaranteed themselves a spot by finishing in the top 3. There is no space in the current (totally unfair) qualification system for England to qualify for 2019, other than by their performance in 2015. Put Japan in a group with Italy and the azzurri, too, would be in difficulty.

I came up with a brilliant plan to reform European rugby, incidentally, but I'll save it for another day.
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Post by: Capt_Cavman on October 12, 2015, 14:59


As it happens, I don't think Robshaw was necessarily wrong to push for the match-winning try rather than the match-drawing kick. It was going to be an absurdly difficult kick, even for the best players. Wales quite rightly didn't contest in the air and so were ready with their defence as soon as the catcher was on the floor. Should Robshaw have seen that coming... maybe. If Ford or Farrell had said "let me kick at goal" - with the sort of confidence that Wilkinson would have shown in a similar situation - would he have let them?

We'll have to agree to differ. I was holding my head in my hands, howling "Nooooooooooooooooo", the moment I saw Ford with the ball in hand; it's not just a case of hindsight. England had achieved nothing of note with any line out up to that point; and both Farrell and Biggar hadn't looked like missing any kicks, some of which were as difficult if not more so, albeit under less pressure. That's why they're in the team.

I love brilliant plans. Can't wait to hear yours.
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Post by: Mellow Velo on October 12, 2015, 16:23
We'll have to agree to differ. I was holding my head in my hands, howling "Nooooooooooooooooo", the moment I saw Ford with the ball in hand; it's not just a case of hindsight. England had achieved nothing of note with any line out up to that point; and both Farrell and Biggar hadn't looked like missing any kicks, some of which were as difficult if not more so, albeit under less pressure. That's why they're in the team.

I love brilliant plans. Can't wait to hear yours.

 It wasn't necessarily the wrong plan, just the wrong throw.
Front of the line out? I mean if you gamble, gamble, don't go for the safest (and by far the easiest to defend) option.
As for not looking like missing a kick; Biggar hadn't, right up until he missed a relatively easy, third shot against Oz.
Had that happened to Farrell, I pretty sure hindsight would have fed folks opinions in favour of taking the line out.

 I think it's a bit unfair to distill issues such as captaincy down to a single issue.
Maybe the simpler question is better: Is Robshaw good enough? Judging from the back row play we have witnessed other top nations, the answer would be a straight forward no.



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#scotland #scotland #scotland #scotland #scotland #scotland shame about  *england ......... not  *scotland *scotland
 
We're through.... how did that happen and I don't buy the Japan faded bit, every game is played for 80 minutes every team is prepped to play for that 80 minutes, if the situation were reversed, Scotland wouldn't get a sniff of using the "FADED" excuse from the media, pundits or any other nation's rugby fans.


So, you don't see a 4 day turn around for players that have turn in the biggest performance of their lives as an issue effecting their performance against a second straight, top team?

I certainly do. I'm pretty certain that Wales faded quite noticeably against Fiji in their second half.

I'm not saying that given a few more days for recovery, Japan would have beaten Scotland, just that they would have been more competitive over the eighty minutes and folded completely, like they did.
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Post by: Slapshot on October 12, 2015, 17:08
It wasn't necessarily the wrong plan, just the wrong throw.
Front of the line out? I mean if you gamble, gamble, don't go for the safest (and by far the easiest to defend) option.
As for not looking like missing a kick; Biggar hadn't, right up until he missed a relatively easy, third shot against Oz.
Had that happened to Farrell, I pretty sure hindsight would have fed folks opinions in favour of taking the line out.

 I think it's a bit unfair to distill issues such as captaincy down to a single issue.
Maybe the simpler question is better: Is Robshaw good enough? Judging from the back row play we have witnessed other top nations, the answer would be a straight forward no.

It wasn't really a single decision, much as it pains me to say it, Jonny Wilkinson summed it up in his"long chains comment", that decision was formed on a training pitch in team meetings and discussions over the last two years not in that split second. I don't think Robshaw is a captain with a full grasp on strategy but there's no-one else on that team you'd want to lead you.

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So, you don't see a 4 day turn around for players that have turn in the biggest performance of their lives as an issue effecting their performance against a second straight, top team?

I certainly do. I'm pretty certain that Wales faded quite noticeably against Fiji in their second half.

I'm not saying that given a few more days for recovery, Japan would have beaten Scotland, just that they would have been more competitive over the eighty minutes and folded completely, like they did.

When have any of the media except the Scottish jesters labelled Scotland as a top team on the way into this tournament?? I'd love to read that, 10th seed doesn't sound like a top team to me.


I don't see that it's as big an issue as everyone is making out it is. Yes they were tired but I don't see it as the sole issue like the media is portraying, "Scotland won because Japan were knackered".... going a bit too far. What would have happened if the US had beaten Scotland?? Can't see the media letting Scotland away with the "we were tired" routine can you?? I feel sorry for Japan they created the result of the tournament but that's part of the game, it happens, we move on.

The Tournament is what it is, the wee fish get the short end of the deal in terms of turnaround whereas certain teams never have less than a 7 day turnaround, not that it did them any good. unles all the teams get some kind of parity then something like this can always happen
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Post by: Slapshot on October 18, 2015, 12:00
Gutted for  *wales yesterday, they have been brilliant throughout this tournament, thought they had done enough but I guess you can never stop the southern hemisphere nations. looks like France have a lot of soul searching to do, see if they can find the ability and flair we've come to love in French Rugby, worryingly the All Blacks seem to be able to step up another gear at every stage.

Two more today, hopefully Ireland will keep European Rugby in the tournament but I don't hold out much hope for Scotland though of course I hope the boys give the Aussies a good going over... this tournament just gets better
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Post by: Archieboy on October 18, 2015, 14:16
Really enjoying this Irish fight back.
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Post by: Slapshot on October 18, 2015, 15:27
Didn't see that happening.... WOW!!
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Post by: Slapshot on October 18, 2015, 17:55
 :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e #scotland

Alba gu Brath
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Post by: Mellow Velo on October 18, 2015, 19:35
Didn't see that happening.... WOW!!

I did.
Argentina are the closest to another NZ team in the competition. Now they have scintillating backs to compliment the usual strong pack.


:-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e :-e #scotland

Alba gu Brath

 That was truly cruel. Was that the same Aussie team that took the park last week?
Made to look ordinary, by a NH side that took the game to them and weren't just hell bent shutting down the opposition. In doing so, they exposed more leaks than a sieve in their defence.

 Ultimately undone by two very dodgy decisions from Joubert.
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Post by: Joelsim on October 19, 2015, 11:30
Shame for the Jocks. Although they have got the football to look forward to.

The World Cup qualifiers start in a year's time.
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Post by: Capt_Cavman on October 20, 2015, 12:33
I was fortunate to go to see the Scotland Australia game, my voice is still hoarse from shouting even now.

Bizarrely, I didn't want to see the game at all and had already passed up an opportunity for tickets; who's going to pay a small fortune to see a one-sided slaughter? But the good Lady Cavman texted mid-week to ask whether I was up for Ireland Argentina and I said yes and she sorted out all the arrangements, who was coming with us to the match, where we were staying etc. It was only as we were nearing the ground that it struck us that there were a surprising number of fans wearing canary yellow driza-bones.

In the ground I'd estimate the crowd make up was 20% Oz, 30% Scot and 50% neutral wondering why they'd paid so much to see this one. As the match went on, every single neutral got behind the Scots and got behind them in a ferocious way that I've not seen the Twickenham crowd ever do for England. We even droned, 'Scoooooooootlund' in a Scottish accent.

I have to disagree with MV that the Australians looked ordinary, to me they looked at least 2 classes better than the Scots, the speed with which they recycled and distributed was breathtaking. How Laidlaw got MoM when Genia was light years ahead of him in all facets of the game is a bit of a mystery. However the great thing about sport is that sometimes the weaker team wins, and thanks to the Australians botching two certain tries, missing a load of kicks and gifting the Scots two interception tries, the Scots should have won. That they didn't, is partly due to Mr Joubert but mostly due to the Scots' own inability to see out the last three minutes in a clinical, professional manner.

But anyway, without a doubt the best sporting occasion I've ever accidentally been to.
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Post by: cj2002 on October 20, 2015, 14:11
But anyway, without a doubt the best sporting occasion I've ever accidentally been to.

Line of the year..!
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Post by: DJW on October 20, 2015, 19:03
Interesting to see that World Rugby have more or less thrown Joubert under the bus. I'm not sure extending the role of the TMO is necessarily a good thing but surely situations which decide the match are as worthy of a replay as any try.
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Post by: Slapshot on October 31, 2015, 20:50
Cracking end to a damn good festival of rugby. All Blacks have shown they really are the best and certainly in my lifetime the best there's been.

In Richie McCaw I think we see the best rugby player we've ever seen and at ten I can't remember anyone better or more consistent that Dan Carter, (though my missus still thinks it Johnny - she really doesn't understand the game  :lol :lol )

I can't wait till 2019 now, the other teams that are fast improving, it's going to be a fantastic tournament
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Post by: Archieboy on November 18, 2015, 07:25
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34853536

Truly sad news, the man was a true sporting legend, and so young.
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Post by: Mellow Velo on November 18, 2015, 08:19
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34853536

Truly sad news, the man was a true sporting legend, and so young.

Just heard the news on tv.
Shocked, given he was caught on camera, several times during the World Cup.
The player who probably had more influence on how the game has evolved than any other.
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Post by: LukasCPH on November 18, 2015, 10:44
The player who probably had more influence on how the game has evolved than any other.
That's one way to put it. :shh

Rest in peace, Jonah.
The first rugby player I knew by name - even wrote a story involving him in high school.
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Post by: Slapshot on November 18, 2015, 11:00
Jonah was the man who changed back play for ever, they were no longer small skinny fast guys, jonah was the first big bulky guy that could run like a train and knock you over like a bulldozer... sad sad day for Rugby fans
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Post by: Capt_Cavman on November 18, 2015, 11:14
Just heard the news on tv.
Shocked, given he was caught on camera, several times during the World Cup.
The player who probably had more influence on how the game has evolved than any other.
100%.


http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/tearful-joost-pays-tribute-to-jonah-lomu-20151118

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Post by: Joelsim on November 18, 2015, 11:19
S Bradley Wi....is in there too!

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Post by: Ram on January 23, 2016, 12:34
Super rugby is now fliped.

Got to feel a bit for Wasps... Two losses in the ECC after 80 minutes
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Post by: Mellow Velo on January 23, 2016, 16:42
Super rugby is now fliped.

Got to feel a bit for Wasps... Two losses in the ECC after 80 minutes

No need.
Looks as if they'll still top their group.
With 20 minutes left they have bagged a bonus point while Toulon continue to play like a rudderless juggernaut.
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Post by: Ram on January 24, 2016, 04:03
Brilliant second half. Wonder what Boudjellal will threaten to withdraw from now...

Snigger @ Farrell's missed try. Seemed to lose control in one of the earlier phases just to get it under control right in time.
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Post by: DJW on March 20, 2016, 06:46
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/rugby-union/2016/03/19/england_win-large_trans++qVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg)

Thought this was worth posting to see if there were any Welsh rugby fans left on the Internet....

In all honesty, this was the worst grand slam performance probably ever. Convincing against no-one, even when 19 points up.

Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France had very little to lose after decent or as expected World Cup performances.

England had it all to prove, for me they proved very little. But I am 100% behind them for next year.
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Post by: Havetts on March 21, 2016, 13:21
Yea that performance against Italy was crazy good, we dont get to watch Rugby that often in the Netherlands but when its on and I can watch I try to.
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Post by: Mellow Velo on March 21, 2016, 14:00
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/rugby-union/2016/03/19/england_win-large_trans++qVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg)

Thought this was worth posting to see if there were any Welsh rugby fans left on the Internet....

In all honesty, this was the worst grand slam performance probably ever. Convincing against no-one, even when 19 points up.

Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France had very little to lose after decent or as expected World Cup performances.

England had it all to prove, for me they proved very little. But I am 100% behind them for next year.

I'm here.

 Put it this way, given we had already slipped up in Ireland, in terms of the Grand Slam, I would not have swapped a win last Saturday, for the World Cup win. Besides, look how big a favour it turned out to be.:D
In the end, the best team deservedly took the title. England, after an pretty ordinary start against Scotland, certainly improved with each game.

 I thought Wales were sterile throughout the competition, until Saturday. The runner up spot gained, only because other teams were even worse. To rub it in, they then play almost the whole Italy match in a similar fashion to the last 7 minutes against England.

 On a personal note, it was great to see our George grab a try in each match and regain great form, which had sadly seeped away, under the one dimensional Northampton game plan.
 Boy, have I suffered, enduring almost all their matches in the vain hope that he was given a half decent pass at speed.
 That Saturday solo try was a thing of beauty.
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Post by: stereojet on March 21, 2016, 14:49
Yup, we're still here; we're just letting the Saes gloat a little. After all, every dog has their day!
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Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 23, 2016, 17:10
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/rugby-union/2016/03/19/england_win-large_trans++qVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg)

Thought this was worth posting to see if there were any Welsh rugby fans left on the Internet....

In all honesty, this was the worst grand slam performance probably ever. Convincing against no-one, even when 19 points up.

Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France had very little to lose after decent or as expected World Cup performances.

England had it all to prove, for me they proved very little. But I am 100% behind them for next year.
I suppose it's one of those glass half empty / half full things but I thought it was one of the most convincing grand slams I've seen. I think you have to go back to the mid 2000s when France and England traded fairly comfortable slams.

England sorted out the 3 glaring problems of the Lancaster era: Competing at rucks, Coping when not dominant in the scrum, On-field decision making. And thus they looked comfortably better than each team they played.

Scotland are becoming a possible victor against the other 5 nations rivals for the first time this millenium. While Italy are slipping much further back, either they're much worse now than they were, or the old 5 nations are forging ahead. Not much evidence to support either proposition so more likely that they're trying to change the way they play to be capable of winning more than the odd match, which in turn leaves them more exposed when better teams turn on the style.

As for Wales, sterile is a better word than I could find. I'm surprised at how much credibility the last few moments of their performance against England has been given, against a team who gave away an interception try, down to 14 men, mentally already in the bar and barring a miracle (and we've seen a few of those from Wales against England), not enough time to lose the game.

Ireland - Still quite good despite the number of absentees which must be encouraging.

France - Better against England than in any recent game and still got stuffed. At home.



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Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 10, 2017, 17:07
I'd like to pay my respects to Joost van der Westhuizen, in my view the best scrum half ever to play rugby, who succumbed to Motor Neurone disease at the age of 45.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2017/02/10/joost-van-der-westhuizens-coffin-carried-south-africas-1995/

His finest hour came in the 1995 world cup final where he managed to do what very few others could and that was to stop a rampaging Jonah Lomu.   It adds extra poignancy that both players were diagnosed with terminal illnesses before hitting 40.
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Post by: Mellow Velo on February 10, 2017, 17:15
I saw the news very shortly after it broke.
Very sad indeed.
The finest scrum half I ever saw play, with the possible exception of Gareth Edwards.
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Post by: Slapshot on February 11, 2017, 09:42
I saw the news very shortly after it broke.
Very sad indeed.
The finest scrum half I ever saw play, with the possible exception of Gareth Edwards.


..... and very like the chap above he changed the way scrum halfs played the game, Joost was quite exceptional in every facet of the game. Sadly the image below is the haunting look I see every time I hear about him, taken back in 2012 when Scotland got hammered by South Africa. 

Rest in Peace Joost, bet you and Jonah are having a brilliant game of catch!

(http://a67.tinypic.com/3342ayo.jpg)
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Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on February 11, 2017, 17:26
His finest hour came in the 1995 world cup final where he managed to do what very few others could and that was to stop a rampaging Jonah Lomu.

That is what I'll remember most about him. The way that a scrum half could do what Englands 2nd row couldn't do to Lomu the week before in the semi final
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Post by: Mellow Velo on March 18, 2017, 18:09
 France v Wales ends in a farcical chaos, after 22 minutes, yes.......................22 minutes of stoppage time.
That's how long it took for France to manage to get over the Wales try line, even though Wales had men in the bin and hookers subbing for second rows.
 During that time, (at 92 minutes) our George got bitten. (Becky will be fuming)
Wales complained to the ref, Wayne Barnes, who then came out with the most amazingly wtf statement I think I've ever heard from a ref: "There is clearly a bite mark, If he has bitten himself, we will look into it." :S
Needless to say, no penalty to Wales and 10 minutes later the conversion goes over for a France win.

I wonder what is in store for the final half of the Ireland v England match?
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Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on March 18, 2017, 18:34
France v Wales ends in a farcical chaos, after 22 minutes, yes.......................22 minutes of stoppage time.
That's how long it took for France to manage to get over the Wales try line, even though Wales had men in the bin and hookers subbing for second rows.
 During that time, (at 92 minutes) our George got bitten. (Becky will be fuming)
Wales complained to the ref, Wayne Barnes, who then came out with the most amazingly wtf statement I think I've ever heard from a ref: "There is clearly a bite mark, If he has bitten himself, we will look into it." :S
Needless to say, no penalty to Wales and 10 minutes later the conversion goes over for a France win.

I wonder what is in store for the final half of the Ireland v England match?

It was farcical. I switched over to watch the last (2)5 minutes after the end of MSR. It was just scrum, penalty, scrum, penalty.
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Post by: Ram on June 07, 2017, 11:09
Going to be one hell of a long tour. Blues are easily the weakest of the NZ sides.
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Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 07, 2017, 15:22
Going to be one hell of a long tour. Blues are easily the weakest of the NZ sides.
I know, I know. but I do think that the Lions would have won that 2 out of 3.

Onwards and upwards.
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Post by: Ram on June 09, 2017, 16:00
Let's hope Gatland gets their house in order. I don't think anyone wants to see new Zealand win again. And he should really call up Launchbury, Wasps' leaky defence notwithstanding.
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Post by: Mellow Velo on June 10, 2017, 10:41
 Well, beating the best super 12 franchise after losing to the weakest is certainly better than the other way around. :D
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Post by: Ram on June 18, 2017, 02:56
Super win against the Maori ABs. WTF call ups by Gatland.
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Post by: Ram on July 08, 2017, 12:31
Well done Lions. Didn't think they'd avoid defeat. 'played Gatland and co.
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Post by: Mellow Velo on July 08, 2017, 13:41
 I think everybody was surprised by the Lion's managing to get a share of the series, especially after the first test.
I imaging the Kiwi press will be in meltdown, tomorrow.
About time somebody upset their casual expectancy towards winning.
Title: Re: Rugby...for those who like odd shaped balls
Post by: Kiwirider on July 08, 2017, 14:48

I imaging the Kiwi press will be in meltdown, tomorrow.

Surprisingly, not too badly, given the overall series result:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/ (https://www.stuff.co.nz/)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/) - minor headline, but a bit of bleating in the sports section ...

About time somebody upset their casual expectancy towards winning.

You forgot the word "smug" between "their" and "casual" ...    ;) ;)

On a more serious note - I just hope that, in the 6 years since I left, society has moved on far enough that the typical (and documented) spike in domestic violence that follows anything other than an All Black victory doesn't occur this time ...