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Title: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 02, 2012, 12:28
WT points should determine length of bad

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabobank-manager-says-high-ranking-dopers-should-be-banned-longer (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabobank-manager-says-high-ranking-dopers-should-be-banned-longer)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on February 02, 2012, 15:24
Has a certain risk too it, test positive for something very small.. lets say 50 picograms of cocaine.. (numbers and whatever he tested for out- pulled out of my ass. :) ) But you lead the WT, 4 to 5 years for cocaine?

What Knebel says needs to be concrete, cause otherwise it would be just guessing..
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 03, 2012, 12:40
Riccos Coni hearing delayed - 2 experts could not make due to extreme winter in Italy.

No new hearing date -
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 03, 2012, 16:21
Cyclo-cross doping

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/did-wellens-and-two-other-riders-dope-the-day-before-belgian-nationals (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/did-wellens-and-two-other-riders-dope-the-day-before-belgian-nationals)

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A Belgian court has information that Luc Van den Broeck administered drugs to Bart Wellens and two other riders the day before the Belgian national cyclo-cross championships, Het Nieuwsblad has reported. Bart and Geert Wellens and Kevin Cant are said to have received doping products either through an injection or a drip at his office
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on February 03, 2012, 17:23
Ouch..  If that is the case then that is quite the shake up in the CX world.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: mew on February 03, 2012, 18:02
Cyclo-cross doping

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/did-wellens-and-two-other-riders-dope-the-day-before-belgian-nationals (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/did-wellens-and-two-other-riders-dope-the-day-before-belgian-nationals)

whoa. potentially big news item....

and it makes the 'dental problems' angle on top of all this sound a little contrived..
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: doolols on February 03, 2012, 18:29
and it makes the 'dental problems' angle on top of all this sound a little contrived..

I don't know much about it, but it all sounds a bit strange to me - heart problems linked to dental issues?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 03, 2012, 18:38
I don't know much about it, but it all sounds a bit strange to me - heart problems linked to dental issues?

It's the build-up of bacteria which can travel to the heart. Wellens had some medical folks back him up on the cause of the emergency, so either they were corruptible or the doping is another, separate issue. Or there was a misapprehension of the cause of the incident, which I would be inclined to doubt strongly.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Sizzle on February 06, 2012, 00:48
I don't know much about it, but it all sounds a bit strange to me - heart problems linked to dental issues?

There is definitely a connection. People having heart surgery need the all-clear from their dentist before surgery goes ahead.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: GreasyMonkey on February 06, 2012, 10:42
Yep, my ex F-I-L contracted a staph infection from dental work, the result was then an infection in the heart tissue at a very minor birth defect in one valve of his heart, resulting in the breakdown of the valve & subsequent open-heart surgery for valve replacement.

Apparently the staph bacteria has a particular liking for the heart tissues.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: mc_mountain on February 06, 2012, 22:14
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/liggett-on-armstrong-the-whole-investigation-was-a-waste-of-money (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/liggett-on-armstrong-the-whole-investigation-was-a-waste-of-money)

Liggett - I believe in him (and trips on his private jet)
Intrigued that he acknowledges having doubts...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 07, 2012, 00:14
god I think I am going to be sick after that ....   ???
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: GreasyMonkey on February 07, 2012, 05:15
Liggett...GRRrrr!! I've renamed him the vomitron - every time I hear him, I wanna be sick....  ???
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 08, 2012, 11:11
Longo´s husband arrested -

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/longos-husband-held-after-alpe-dhuez-home-raid (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/longos-husband-held-after-alpe-dhuez-home-raid)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 08, 2012, 19:26
Jan will be happy tomorrow

CAS make ruling after 6 years - http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11106/Ullrich-describes-tomorrows-CAS-ruling-as-a-happy-day.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11106/Ullrich-describes-tomorrows-CAS-ruling-as-a-happy-day.aspx)

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 09, 2012, 08:24
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/02/news/martel-sanctioned-for-testosterone_205987 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/02/news/martel-sanctioned-for-testosterone_205987)

Bejnamen Martel, a participant in the Québec provincial road championships on August 28, 2011, has been sanctioned for testing positive for the banned substance testosterone.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 12, 2012, 00:33
Doesn't really require a thread all its own so this should suffice.

With drugs so rife, could Australians be doping too?  ::)
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/02/12/with-drugs-so-rife-could-australians-be-doping-too/ (http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/02/12/with-drugs-so-rife-could-australians-be-doping-too/)

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Could the stars of the recent golden age of Australian cycling be tainted?

Mostly stating the obvious, but the conversation is what it is.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Tuart on February 12, 2012, 01:04
Yeah our cyclists don't dope just like our star footballers don't dive.  ::)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Damiano Machiavelli on February 12, 2012, 03:22
That article was good for a laugh.   Just the gentle questioning of Mick Rogers had me LOLing.  Mick Rogers doping?  Ya think?  They even got the time of the Freiberg clinic visit wrong.  It did not happen days before the 2006 Tour. It happened a few days into the Tour.

Since when has Evans been a stalwart doping critic.  All the responses from him I have read about doping have been mealy mouthed avoidences of the question.  He always comes across as someone who does not want to lie about it but does not want to address the issue either.


Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Damiano Machiavelli on February 13, 2012, 02:19

Isn't that the case for 95% of them?

Most riders in his position have become quite smooth at deflecting questions.  They usually parrot the usual talking points promoted by the UCI.  Evans responses are akward.  I certainly would not call Evans an outspoken critic of doping as the article portrayed him.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Arb on February 13, 2012, 04:15
He's awkward in response to any question, but agreed.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 13, 2012, 20:33
Since when has Evans been a stalwart doping critic.
Have you forgotten the adamant stance he took at his post-TdF press conference? After being asked if a cleaner peloton had perhaps contributed to his victory, I believe the walls actually shook after his rousing proclamation of, "I don't think I'm in a good position to comment on that. Sorry."

@11:10
Cadel Evans' Tour de France winner's press conference in Grenoble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U0tB13L6GU#ws)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: doolols on February 13, 2012, 22:50
I believe the walls actually shook after his rousing proclamation of, "I don't think I'm in a good position to comment on that. Sorry."

What surprised me is that no  one challenged him on it. "Why do you say that? Why don't you want to comment on doping in the peleton?"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 18, 2012, 12:56
(http://cdn1.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2010/04/25/2/22_2_220.jpg)

Lampre or Leaky and Giro return ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pellizotti-eyes-return-to-cycling (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pellizotti-eyes-return-to-cycling)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Maxiton on February 21, 2012, 02:44
It's the build-up of bacteria which can travel to the heart. Wellens had some medical folks back him up on the cause of the emergency, so either they were corruptible or the doping is another, separate issue. Or there was a misapprehension of the cause of the incident, which I would be inclined to doubt strongly.

Isn't the usual procedure to simply administer a large dose of antibiotic before (and after?) the dental procedure? No doping required.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Maxiton on February 21, 2012, 02:53
Have you forgotten the adamant stance he took at his post-TdF press conference? After being asked if a cleaner peloton had perhaps contributed to his victory, I believe the walls actually shook after his rousing proclamation of, "I don't think I'm in a good position to comment on that. Sorry."

@11:10
Cadel Evans' Tour de France winner's press conference in Grenoble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U0tB13L6GU#ws)

No matter how you look at it, though, whatever else it is it's an honest answer - no "I'm sorry you don't believe in unicorns."

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z336/maxiton2/586px-DomenichinounicornPalFarnese.jpg)

He's in no position to comment because, a) he's doping, too; or, b) realpolitik dictates that, as emerging Patron, he stays away from this radioactive topic. I tend to think the answer is more b than a, but it's probably a bit of both.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 22, 2012, 12:50
CAS hearing 21st of March for Sevilla

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-hearing-on-sevilla-case-fixed-for-march-21 (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-hearing-on-sevilla-case-fixed-for-march-21)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 24, 2012, 02:08
Seems other sports have no problem letting guys off.

Anyone heard this before ".....because I have nothing to hide. I have passed over 25 drug tests in my career, including at least three in the past year."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120223&content_id=26813960&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120223&content_id=26813960&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)
I always get a tremendous laugh out of these statements. The average MLB fan probably hasn't the slightest ides just how routine the whole charade appears to those of us with a more seasoned perspective.  "Three...in the past year."  ;D

Oh, make it stop!

I especially liked this quote from the New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/sports/baseball/braun-wins-appeal-on-positive-drug-test-and-will-avoid-suspension.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/sports/baseball/braun-wins-appeal-on-positive-drug-test-and-will-avoid-suspension.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1)

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The ruling was a blow to Major League Baseball and Commissioner Bud Selig, who has repeatedly said that his sport now has a comprehensive testing system second to none and that it has fully addressed a drug problem that has plagued it for more than a decade.  ::)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on February 24, 2012, 09:42
(http://i.imgur.com/Iq3VK.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on February 24, 2012, 14:51
Cipo has some good advice for Ricardo Ricco: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-ricco-should-forget-about-cycling (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-ricco-should-forget-about-cycling)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Maxiton on February 24, 2012, 15:24
Cipo has some good advice for Ricardo Ricco: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-ricco-should-forget-about-cycling (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-ricco-should-forget-about-cycling)

That's probably the best advice anyone's ever given Ricco. And besides, how do you say fait accompli in Italian?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on February 24, 2012, 15:53
I would say it must be impossible for Ricco to be involved in any legitimate sense in cycling ever. I am sure he will get into the nefarious side of it but hope he at least has some cop on to forget the sport and move on for his child's sake but he does not seem that kind of guy. :(
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: scribe on February 26, 2012, 03:39
Ricco should never be allowed to race again.

agreed
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DinZ on February 26, 2012, 06:32
Ricco should never be allowed to race again.

it is really sad that the guy is not ready to let go yet. After what has happened, when his arrogance and unhealthy relationship with the sport so very nearly killed him you would have thought he would have seen the light and yet the soap opera continues. You start to wonder what it is going to take to make him realize he is going to be better off without it
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 29, 2012, 18:50
Kolobnev free to ride CAS

Press release - http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5750/5048/0/CAS20264520Media20Release.pdf (http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5750/5048/0/CAS20264520Media20Release.pdf)

PDF File - http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5752/5048/0/Award2026452020FINAL.pdf (http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5752/5048/0/Award2026452020FINAL.pdf)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on February 29, 2012, 20:33
http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE1555449/uci-vil-have-dif-straffet-for-dopingafgoerelse/ (http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE1555449/uci-vil-have-dif-straffet-for-dopingafgoerelse/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 08, 2012, 14:29
GreenEdge joins MPCC

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11320/GreenEdge-joins-MPCC-movement-wants-international-sanctioning-body-introduced.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11320/GreenEdge-joins-MPCC-movement-wants-international-sanctioning-body-introduced.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on March 09, 2012, 02:27
What is the advantage of joining the anti-doping league, other than positive PR?
And of course feeling kind of good about oneself....
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Martin318is on March 09, 2012, 03:00
I got inspired and joined bike Pure in 2010.  I have a nice headset spacer but otherwise its made no difference to anything...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 09, 2012, 08:33
(http://news.velonation.com/Men/Road/Ma_Ml/2011/original/Millar_David_Giro11_st5-1.jpg)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11325/Millar-calls-for-better-pre-Olympic-testing-wants-parity-amongst-nations.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11325/Millar-calls-for-better-pre-Olympic-testing-wants-parity-amongst-nations.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DinZ on March 10, 2012, 08:17
Broncos players banned for giving none human urine samples

Sounds like there maybe be more to stop as tester has also been fired but players still suspended. Not quite 2 years though. 2 got 6 games and 1 got 4. think the 4 gamer actual failed due to medication which he now surprising has an exemption for.

outside of the testing and short bans my first thought was really? surely it is easier to pay one of your friends to pee in a sample bottle than your pet dog.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DinZ on March 10, 2012, 08:19
And millar on why olympic testing is not early enough to catch cheats

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/millar-questions-london-olympic-games-testing-program?ns_campaign=news&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0 (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/millar-questions-london-olympic-games-testing-program?ns_campaign=news&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2012, 08:54
Rumors re Phil

http://www.marca.com/2012/03/12/ciclismo/1331547353.html (http://www.marca.com/2012/03/12/ciclismo/1331547353.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on March 13, 2012, 09:55
Rumors re Phil

http://www.marca.com/2012/03/12/ciclismo/1331547353.html (http://www.marca.com/2012/03/12/ciclismo/1331547353.html)

That was posted yesterday mid-day and says to expect more news 'in the next few hours'.

I think this is just a lot of hot air.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2012, 09:59
Agreed but came across it and though others might want to have a  look

mew and AG will be here soonish to back up their Guy
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on March 13, 2012, 10:03
yeah I saw it.

Nothing to worry about ... Phil is the only clean guy in the peloton    ;D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2012, 15:37
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fuentes-denies-breaking-law-but-admits-giving-transfusions (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fuentes-denies-breaking-law-but-admits-giving-transfusions)

(http://cdn0.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2011/04/20/1/fuentes_220.jpg)

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The statement says: “It cannot certainly be said that the blood transfusions provided in hotel rooms were carried out without sufficient hygienic and sanitary guarantees, since such locations are ideal for carrying out these procedures in given situations where they are undertaken, in a hotel room that had recently been prepared for the arrival of a new guest and also bearing in mind that they were carried out by persons who were both well experienced and qualified to do so, namely José Luis Merino Batres, who is a haematologist and Señor Fuentes, who assisted him on some of these tasks, who is also a practising doctor.”

Along with Fuentes, Merino Batres, Belda and Labarta, the others due to face the same charges are Fuentes’ sister, Yolanda Fuentes, who is also a doctor, and Manolo Saiz, former team boss at ONCE and Liberty Seguros. All are maintaining their innocence of the charge brought against them. Merino Batres is also attempting to have the case against him struck out on medical grounds as he has been receiving treatment for Alzheimer’s since 2007. Charges have been dropped against Aldredo Córdova, a doctor who worked with Kelme and Liberty Seguros.

Those standing trial cannot face charges of doping riders because this did not become an offence in Spain until November 2006, largely as a result of the controversy stirred up by the Puerto investigation. However, the statement presented by Fuentes’s lawyers talks of athletes “voluntarily undertaking transfusions” and adds that the procedures often didn’t take place within clinics and other medical facilities because of the “logical desire for discretion and privacy on the part of the athletes and to avoid the drug controls carried out by the sporting authorities".

The statement points out that none of the athletes caught up in the Puerto investigation have come forward with a complaint about their health being endangered. It also underlines the importance that was attached by Fuentes and others to delivering the best quality service, using the same machines and processes for extracting and storing the blood as would be used in a hospital.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 14, 2012, 12:43
(http://images.theage.com.au/2012/03/13/3124204/art-353-svCHAMBERS-200x0.jpg)

to do with life time bans and the olympics

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/olympics-2012/cheats-prosper-if-ban-overturned-20120313-1uyki.html (http://www.theage.com.au/sport/olympics-2012/cheats-prosper-if-ban-overturned-20120313-1uyki.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 15, 2012, 11:23
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/greenedge-baffled-by-antidoping-story-20120315-1v6cs.html (http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/greenedge-baffled-by-antidoping-story-20120315-1v6cs.html)

GreenEdge only in discussions re  Movement for Credible Cycling group
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on March 20, 2012, 12:32
Italians have an interesting sense of humour

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 26, 2012, 13:04
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bettini-wins-lawsuit-against-german-broadcaster-in-italian-court (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bettini-wins-lawsuit-against-german-broadcaster-in-italian-court)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 27, 2012, 15:07
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kroon-angry-at-uci-over-contador-and-his-own-whereabouts-problems (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kroon-angry-at-uci-over-contador-and-his-own-whereabouts-problems)

(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/01/03/2/kroon_220.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on March 27, 2012, 15:16
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kroon-angry-at-uci-over-contador-and-his-own-whereabouts-problems (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kroon-angry-at-uci-over-contador-and-his-own-whereabouts-problems)

(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/01/03/2/kroon_220.jpg)

I am literally open-jawed at how they could put out a puff piece like that which happens to quietly implicate the UCI in a cover-up over the Contador positive.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 27, 2012, 15:41
I am literally open-jawed at how they could put out a puff piece like that which happens to quietly implicate the UCI in a cover-up over the Contador positive.

Same reaction I had - Twice he said Pat covered this up
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on March 27, 2012, 15:44
I am literally open-jawed at how they could put out a puff piece like that which happens to quietly implicate the UCI in a cover-up over the Contador positive.

Will McQuaid have a word and then the article will disappear?


Mattia Gavazzi in Italy formerly of Colnago-CFS has been handed a 2 1/2 year ban reduced to 6 months.

http://road.cc/content/news/55934-mattia-gavazzi-banned-following-positive-competition-test-cocaine-gianni-savio (http://road.cc/content/news/55934-mattia-gavazzi-banned-following-positive-competition-test-cocaine-gianni-savio)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on March 27, 2012, 15:50
Same reaction I had - Twice he said Pat covered this up

(http://sustainabilityadvantage.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/elephant-in-the-room.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 27, 2012, 16:05
Will McQuaid have a word and then the article will disappear?


Mattia Gavazzi in Italy formerly of Colnago-CFS has been handed a 2 1/2 year ban reduced to 6 months.

http://road.cc/content/news/55934-mattia-gavazzi-banned-following-positive-competition-test-cocaine-gianni-savio (http://road.cc/content/news/55934-mattia-gavazzi-banned-following-positive-competition-test-cocaine-gianni-savio)

maybe

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Saxo Bank Dutchman calls Contador's handling “almost criminal”

Karsten Kroon has nothing good to say about the UCI and doping. He is angry at how the organisation treated Alberto Contador, and the effect of the Spaniard's suspension on Team Saxo Bank. Added to that, he said he has been informed that he has missed doping controls.

"When I think about the whole situation, it's almost criminal how the UCI has handled the Contador case," Kroon told De Telegraaf.

"Listen, a month after his positive control in the Tour of 2010, Alberto was personally called by UCI President Pat McQuaid, who told him he wanted to keep that quiet. But then it was leaked by the German television.” Eventually Contador was cleared of the charges by the Spanish cycling federation, but “what does the UCI, who initially wanted to keep the whole incident quiet, do, but appeal.”

That is still not the end of the story. Not only is Contador suspended, “now they want to take away the Saxo Bank license, and that although Alberto rode for Astana in 2010.” The positive doping control had not yet been publicly announced when team owner Bjarne Riis signed Contador, but “the worst is compounded” by the fact that UCI head Pat McQuaid knew of the positive at that time, Kroon said.

Kroon is also facing his own problems with the UCI and the anti-doping programme, as his file now states that he has missed two anti-doping controls. “And this is too ridiculous for words,” the 36-year-old said.

It is not his fault, he claimed. In earlier years the Flemish Community sent out an email every quarter, reminding riders to fill out their whereabouts. This year they did not, and so he filed late. “And since I forgot, there is now a 'filing failure', as the UCI calls it.  That is equal to a a missed control," he said.

“And it gets worse. After I had called, I was coolly told that many athletes from other sports had also forgotten the form. But then I was told that I was the only one given a 'missed control', because I am a cyclist.”

 ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on March 28, 2012, 01:04
yep - incredibly dodgy

As for Kroon's missed tests, I agree that if you miss a test, then there needs to be repercussions .... but having a missed test because they filed the 3 month form late, thats just wrong.    A reminder or two isnt that hard, and is not compromising their testing program
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on March 28, 2012, 08:04
Can't bother about the Contador case, he failed a test and he couldn't prove his innocence, hence deserved his ban.

Kroon on the other hand, bad luck for him. Question is, why was he the only one caught out? And why don't teams take more responsibility in this regard.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on March 28, 2012, 10:17
Aye, that was sports bureaucracy at pretty much its worst and the UCI's thundermuppetery isn't exactly a new feature. Dufresne? It will take some bollocs to try that.

My more serious question was, why only Kroon? Do they give individual reminders? If so, agan why was he not aware? If not, who should the blame be laid on?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on March 28, 2012, 10:33
Well, it would take a really blind and unaware person to say that other sports are free of doping.  That's highly unlikely.
That said, will the positives of doping elsewhere be as high as cycling? Can coordination be chemically aided? I don't think so, I'm not a chemist or a doctor so am willing to be corrected. Many sports require coordination, more so than cycling.

I'm only saying blame because Kroon is "facing problems" (possibly suspension?) and it could've been avoided according to him.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on March 28, 2012, 10:52
Messi used HGH for an operation when he was young. Later usage hasn't been documented, but that could be due to the lack of investigation into such cases. Specifics are difficult to point out, but it's tough to envisage the complete lack of doping. If so, I'd bang a hundred lasses a month and still be immune from STDs.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on March 28, 2012, 11:02
Aye, I read that and posted there, not seriously though, too. It's a claim that could have, possibly even should have, been investigated, but with Barca's political contacts, they'd be pretty safe. So too Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on March 28, 2012, 11:24
Aye, but that would go back to the lack of investigation rather than it being due to investigation failing.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 28, 2012, 11:30
Exactly if FIFA or UFEA don't care then nothing is going to happen.

exactly what UCI/FIFA type organisation would want a big name being caught and destroying the sports rep.

Cycling was screwed from the start due to the open use of drugs in the 19th and early 20th century then Simpson - the carpet was glued down so public knowledge was already there other sports not so much
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on March 28, 2012, 11:33
Exactly if FIFA or UFEA don't care then nothing is going to happen.
Aye.
And we'll never stop talking about how big their thundermuppetery in every facet is. Lousy organisation.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 28, 2012, 15:11
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/millar-doesnt-fancy-olympics-as-team-gbs-black-sheep (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/millar-doesnt-fancy-olympics-as-team-gbs-black-sheep)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on March 29, 2012, 00:03
Also some of my friends back in the States, don't give a crap if a guy in MLB or the NFL gets busted for doping they're like so what and he should be allowed to play on.

Pretty obvious that NFL players are juiced. Cracks me up that the CN crowd watches NFL and then gets down on the dopers in cycling.
I like NFL and support a local team, and I don't care squat, how the players prepare themselves.
I have never heard any football fans call players dopers. Never heard of it in pro soccer either.
MLB, the obvious ones have been suspected or caught, and generally are tolerated without penalty, but are known as Bad Boys.

As for Kroon, he is whining because he is in trouble, same old song as Tyler,  Alberto, Floyd, and Frankie. Great rider, but if he wasn't caught he would have zipped his lips. And he was caught, if he signed a contract with the testers, promising to name his whereabouts. No ifs ands or butts. No compassion for him here, he needs to take his penalty like a man, whatever is decided.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on March 29, 2012, 00:13
flicker - he hasnt been caught.

He has 2 missed tests.  He is allowed 3 before anything happens to him ......

thats the whole point.  Here is someone who is speaking out who has not been caught.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on March 29, 2012, 00:26
flicker - he hasnt been caught.

He has 2 missed tests.  He is allowed 3 before anything happens to him ......

thats the whole point.  Here is someone who is speaking out who has not been caught.

Sorry, I am wrong. Getting back to the point about UCI coverups, etc., with Rasmusson, if he had not been caught with the individual delivering his shoes, which contained PEDs, and being outed by his peers, for lying about his whereabouts,(while Rassmusson was on his way to winning the tour, I believe Rassmusson would have had a different career path.

I guess Kroons point is that Contador did not get a pass,(ultra vez mas)IMO and Saxo is getting picked on and will likely fold leaving Kroon and his mates out in the cold? Should Contador gotten a pass? Maybe for the good of cycling he should have, but it didn't work out that way, sorry.
Bjarne chose Contador, for his points, and prestige knowing full well that Contador,MAY GO DOWN. Everyone knew that, and Kroon knew it too. Is he mad because Rassmusson the trackie got a pass? My gut feeling is that Kroon has a sense of entitlement, and I resent that, I feel that hurts the sport also.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on March 29, 2012, 02:16
But did Riis know that Contador had failed a test, when they started talking about a possible move to Saxo? Infact at that time did Contador know he failed a test?

I thought that in a desperate move to save his team after the Schlecks gutted his team, he took on Contador for his points, plus Contador is the greatest cyclist going right now.
The world of pro cycling is small, I am sure Bjarne knew every little detail about Contador.
If I were a DS I would take Contador in a New York minute, he is the best to come along since well probably Merckx.

Look at the Broncos, they took Payton Manning, an individual who may never play up to par ever again. Sports is business, to win big, you gamble big, part of the charm of pro sports.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 29, 2012, 07:43
But did Riis know that Contador had failed a test, when they started talking about a possible move to Saxo? Infact at that time did Contador know he failed a test?

no publicly - no

which is their defense for the licence commission - not out fault he was on another team so we can not be blamed etc etc 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 29, 2012, 07:51
I gess this goes in here

(http://news.velonation.com/Men/Road/La_Ll/Feature/original/Landis_Floyd_tdg06flk.jpg)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11478/Landis-appeal-against-French-court-ruling-to-be-held-in-November.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11478/Landis-appeal-against-French-court-ruling-to-be-held-in-November.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 29, 2012, 15:43
(http://cdn3.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/01/08/2/luismansillaleader_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mansilla-cleared-of-epo-doping-charges-negative-b-sample (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mansilla-cleared-of-epo-doping-charges-negative-b-sample)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 05, 2012, 05:52
Alistair Overeem’s positive for PEDs infuriates Dana White; it’s time the UFC stepped up testing

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_alistair_overeem_failed_test_dana_white_040412 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_alistair_overeem_failed_test_dana_white_040412)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 05, 2012, 08:21
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vroomen-fears-cycling-is-losing-momentum-in-doping-fight (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vroomen-fears-cycling-is-losing-momentum-in-doping-fight)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Arb on April 05, 2012, 10:47
How was 2009 perfect? We had the return of Lance and Klöden at the top end of the Tour and Contador rolling up Verbier as though it was 1995. I'd say 2010 was better than 2009, although I do agree that ground has probably been lost in the last 12months.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 05, 2012, 14:03
The year 2009 was quite a peak: 25 positive tests (the most since the bumper class of 2002) representing almost half of the 59 incidents in total. So certainly in terms of detection it was a good year.

Then 2010 saw a big decline in positive test results but I think with hindsight that we will see that the doping scene had already moved onto other techniques and substances.

Vroomen is right on the numbers. Reading the minutes of WADA Executive Committee Meetings yesterday, particularly on the development of ADAMS and the ABP, I can see his point in a more general way. The anti-doping movement is not moving quickly enough.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on April 05, 2012, 14:08
I agree, 08 and 09 seemed to be a high point for dopers actually getting caught and prosecuted effectively.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 05, 2012, 14:18
Is it not time that WADA started with a police style strategy of getting riders (athletes in other sports too) to tell them what is going on currently in exchange for immunity. Like what the police do when dealing with the mafia. Otherwise they will be constantly playing catch up years too late. And when they do catch up it is inevitably the smaller teams and poorer riders who get caught while the big teams and top riders ride off scot free. Look at OPQS this year, juicing or what. Doesn't say much for Boonen's talent that when there where 'cleaner' years he was nowhere! Now he is back juicing better than ever and winning again.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on April 05, 2012, 14:20
I'm not sure asking riders to grass in their friends is the right answer, and I don't think it will work either.

I think WADA needs to go after the doctors and team managers.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 05, 2012, 14:28
I'm not sure asking riders to grass in their friends is the right answer, and I don't think it will work either.

I think WADA needs to go after the doctors and team managers.

They would need to be grassing up the doping methods currently being used not riders. It would then allow WADA and anti doping agencies to develop tests to catch the riders. It would also help them catch the doctors and DS, which i prefer they go after.

I think that it is time that countries set up police forces to deal exclusively with sporting fraud and doping being a big part of their remit.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Flo on April 05, 2012, 19:41
How was 2009 perfect? We had the return of Lance and Klöden at the top end of the Tour and Contador rolling up Verbier as though it was 1995. I'd say 2010 was better than 2009, although I do agree that ground has probably been lost in the last 12months.

I like 2009 better.  :)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on April 06, 2012, 15:01
Alistair Overeem’s positive for PEDs infuriates Dana White; it’s time the UFC stepped up testing

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_alistair_overeem_failed_test_dana_white_040412 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_alistair_overeem_failed_test_dana_white_040412)

Damn. Brock just came home and now it turns out the reason he left UFC is faulty. Might want revenge
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 12, 2012, 10:02
(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/04/Perceptions.jpg)

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-i_213374 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-i_213374)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on April 14, 2012, 06:04
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-i-regret-talk-of-new-uci-passport-cases (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-i-regret-talk-of-new-uci-passport-cases)

McQuaid backing off on passport cases.

Quote
With no new cases since mid-2010 the passport appears to have stalled. However, McQuaid said this was not the case and that there were no financial constraints in testing or passport profiling.

“It’s not in the least frustrating. I wasn’t looking at any cases personally. As until such time as anti-doping comes to me and says we have a positive, then I know about it. Before then I don’t know about it and I don’t want to know about it.”

Asked if he had asked the UCI’s anti-doping team for any update, he added: “I haven’t. It’s not my affair to ask any questions. My affair is to get the results. I don’t ask any questions until then. Like I said, I shouldn’t have said that to you at that time because I was obviously wrong. The passport is very strong.”

:winker
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on April 14, 2012, 06:40
At least the blinkers have a good function now.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dr. Horrible the Mad Elephant Man on April 14, 2012, 09:02
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-i-regret-talk-of-new-uci-passport-cases (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-i-regret-talk-of-new-uci-passport-cases)

McQuaid backing off on passport cases.

:winker

I think the point here is McQuaid said more case were coming very shortly when he had no idea what was happening so he just lied.
Or there were cases coming and something, think big bags full of cash, came along and stopped the cases.
In fact his public comments could be seen as pressure on suspected riders to cough up the cash.
Nothing would surprise me.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 14, 2012, 17:25
McQuaid is just about the biggest idiot to run a federation ever. How he got to run the International Federation of Cycling is incredible. Verbruggen must be pull his strings. It makes me think what kind of idiots elected him. flip!!!!!!  :fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 16, 2012, 08:46
(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/04/Perceptions.jpg)

Part 1

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-i_213374 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-i_213374)

(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/04/Perceptions1.jpg)

Part 2

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/road/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-ii_213481 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/road/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-ii_213481)

Part 3

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/road/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-iii_213552 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/road/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-iii_213552)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 16, 2012, 09:53

Part 2

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/road/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-ii_213481 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/road/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-ii_213481)



Quote
VandeVelde:
But there are a lot of guys who go out of their way to be transparent and try to regain the respect of the fans. They obviously care a lot more about the sport.”

Transparency is admitting what you took, how long you were taking it for, where you bought it, and who administered it! Not too many have done that. Manzano is 1 that i know, Floyd is another.

Edit: Just remembered Kohl is another.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 16, 2012, 10:04
Transparency is admitting what you took, how long you were taking it for, where you bought it, and who administered it! Not too many have done that. Manzano is 1 that i know, Floyd is another.

Edit: Just remembered Kohl is another.

I guess we can add

Tyler to the list now
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 16, 2012, 10:09
I guess we can add

Tyler to the list now

I did not see the 60 mins on CBS in USA but did he list out his history of doping or just in relation to USPS?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 16, 2012, 10:11
I'm glad these interviews were conducted from the pov of general awareness but I'm not sure if they tell us anything particularly new. Indeed you can almost hear the sighs of resignation or reluctance.

Sometimes I think it would be better to do interviews on condition of anonymity. That way, we might get a glimpse of something more than the thin veneer of respectability that covers up all those vested interests.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 16, 2012, 10:15
I'm glad these interviews were conducted from the pov of general awareness but I'm not sure if they tell us anything particularly new. Indeed you can almost hear the sighs of resignation or reluctance.

Sometimes I think it would be better to do interviews on condition of anonymity. That way, we might get a glimpse of something more than the thin veneer of respectability that covers up all those vested interests.

I agree. But maybe it would have been better to stick the 1 or 2 anonymous in their along with these interviews. But they could've used Manzono's well documented doping as an example.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 16, 2012, 10:18
I did not see the 60 mins on CBS in USA but did he list out his history of doping or just in relation to USPS?

there you go benotti

Tyler Hamilton on 60 Minutes - LANCE ARMSTRONG DOPED (Part 1 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nTTGGnw8ak#)

Tyler Hamilton on 60 Minutes - LANCE ARMSTRONG DOPED (Part 2 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZnBpoC2jc#)

Tyler Hamilton on 60 Minutes - LANCE ARMSTRONG DOPED (Part 3 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRZeh4KEz9s#)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 16, 2012, 10:52
there you go benotti

Tyler Hamilton on 60 Minutes - LANCE ARMSTRONG DOPED (Part 1 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nTTGGnw8ak#)

Tyler Hamilton on 60 Minutes - LANCE ARMSTRONG DOPED (Part 2 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZnBpoC2jc#)

Tyler Hamilton on 60 Minutes - LANCE ARMSTRONG DOPED (Part 3 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRZeh4KEz9s#)


Cheers  :tu
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on April 18, 2012, 20:41
http://news.yahoo.com/illegal-drugs-available-runup-olympics-083735064--spt.html (http://news.yahoo.com/illegal-drugs-available-runup-olympics-083735064--spt.html)

First time I heard of genetic doping/gene splice doping was when "My Lance," gave an interview, discussing doping after retirement 1.0. Lance said,'It is important to nip genetic doping in the bud, as it will be undetectable, and proving genetic doping will be impossible.' Lance always held the Olympics in high regard, although he admitted that doping has always been around the Olympics, since the first Olympics, where the Greeks and others doped with cocaine. I guess Lance was reading history books many others never have seen.
Be that as it may, in the yahoo article, they mention undetectable doping products, which as far as I know started happening after Simpson died, and drug testing took off. Watching cycling in the 70s and reading International Cycling sport, Mirror du Cyclisme, it was obvious that chemists were flipping molecules and creating not yet banned, or undetectable PEDs. WADA has its work cut out for them. What did they say, 35 positive EPO tests out of 235,000  drug tests?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 19, 2012, 08:49
(http://cdn3.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//photos/2004/jan04/gerolsteiner/1-holczer_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-another-positive-doping-case-push-holczer-to-leave-katusha (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-another-positive-doping-case-push-holczer-to-leave-katusha)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 19, 2012, 10:51
(http://cdn3.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//photos/2004/jan04/gerolsteiner/1-holczer_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-another-positive-doping-case-push-holczer-to-leave-katusha (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-another-positive-doping-case-push-holczer-to-leave-katusha)

Sometimes the things people say come back to haunt them. Could this be true for Holczer this season?

There have not been many whole-team collapses in pro cycling. It takes a lot to tear one down with the main factor being sponsor withdrawal, something which I don't see ever being a problem for Katusha. There are plenty of oligarchs with money to launder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_US_dollar_billionaires).
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 19, 2012, 14:32
The Italian National Anti-Doping Tribunal has today issued its verdict in the Riccardo Ricco doping case, banning the 28-year-old for 12 years after he admitted to self-administering a blood transfusion in February 2011.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Flo on April 19, 2012, 15:08
The Italian National Anti-Doping Tribunal has today issued its verdict in the Riccardo Ricco doping case, banning the 28-year-old for 12 years after he admitted to self-administering a blood transfusion in February 2011.

... = a life time sentence. I hope he manages to get his life back on track.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 19, 2012, 18:30
 If you can be bothered to listen to their latest podcast:
http://www.realpeloton.com/ (http://www.realpeloton.com/)
...........and wade through a lot of dinner time prattle, in amongst the general cycling chat,
Matt Rendell makes a couple of comments, suggesting that Denis Menchov and a certain diminutive Venezuelan are soon to be busted.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 19, 2012, 18:33
If you can be bothered to listen to their latest podcast:
http://www.realpeloton.com/ (http://www.realpeloton.com/)
...........and wade through a lot of dinner time prattle, in amongst the general cycling chat,
Matt Rendell makes a couple of comments, suggesting that Denis Menchov and a certain diminutive Venezuelan are soon to be busted.

Thats some big news if it happens
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 19, 2012, 18:35
If you can be bothered to listen to their latest podcast:
http://www.realpeloton.com/ (http://www.realpeloton.com/)
...........and wade through a lot of dinner time prattle, in amongst the general cycling chat,
Matt Rendell makes a couple of comments, suggesting that Denis Menchov and a certain diminutive Venezuelan are soon to be busted.

Interesting. Begs the question: whence does Rendell get his insider info? But you can figure the sort of spin they'd put on it:

Rujano would be sent back to the old country with tail between legs and much would be made of his "difficult nature" in Europe, isolating him from everyone else in the bunch (and therefore le métier). Vultures will continue to circle around Savio whose team is registered in Venezuela.

And Menchov (who clocked 9 on the ABP-linked L'Equipe list, no?) is bordering on ancient anyway. That could be written up as an ageing rider desperate to "keep his finger on the knob of youth". Then Holczer to leave Katusha?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on April 20, 2012, 03:46
It was rumored last year that if Katusha had another positive drug test it would fold.(Last year.)
I guess that problem was "fixed." It would be sad to see Menchov go down.
Savio, "The Little Prince," is bigger than cycling, no problem there.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 20, 2012, 12:43
BOA expects to lose court battle with Wada over drugs ban

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/17781706 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/17781706)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 20, 2012, 13:17
Interesting. Begs the question: whence does Rendell get his insider info? But you can figure the sort of spin they'd put on it:

Rujano would be sent back to the old country with tail between legs and much would be made of his "difficult nature" in Europe, isolating him from everyone else in the bunch (and therefore le métier). Vultures will continue to circle around Savio whose team is registered in Venezuela.

And Menchov (who clocked 9 on the ABP-linked L'Equipe list, no?) is bordering on ancient anyway. That could be written up as an ageing rider desperate to "keep his finger on the knob of youth". Then Holczer to leave Katusha?

there is such a dark side to pro cycling who knows what goes on.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 21, 2012, 18:54
BOA expects to lose court battle with Wada over drugs ban

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/17781706 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/17781706)

(http://news.velonation.com/Men/Track/H/original/Hoy_Chris_SkyTrack11-1.jpg)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11680/Olympics-Brailsford-and-Hoy-give-thoughts-over-possible-Millar-participation.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11680/Olympics-Brailsford-and-Hoy-give-thoughts-over-possible-Millar-participation.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 23, 2012, 21:19
Edwards calls for 'Olympic cycle' drugs bans

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jgGC97MnHQP8ydjQkFdIK4x2M6ZQ?docId=CNG.82f99a6e478d920f9407dc666cba263e.4a1 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jgGC97MnHQP8ydjQkFdIK4x2M6ZQ?docId=CNG.82f99a6e478d920f9407dc666cba263e.4a1)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 26, 2012, 08:57
(http://news.velonation.com/Misc/Teams/Feature/original/Astana_2011.jpg)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11709/UCI-denies-Astana-hotel-was-searched-at-Tour-de-Romandie.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11709/UCI-denies-Astana-hotel-was-searched-at-Tour-de-Romandie.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 26, 2012, 13:26
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/25/san-diego-grand-jury-investigating-cyclist-landis-/ (http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/25/san-diego-grand-jury-investigating-cyclist-landis-/)

RR tweet.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 26, 2012, 13:28
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/25/san-diego-grand-jury-investigating-cyclist-landis-/ (http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/25/san-diego-grand-jury-investigating-cyclist-landis-/)

seems odd it took so long to come about
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 26, 2012, 13:28
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/25/san-diego-grand-jury-investigating-cyclist-landis-/ (http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/25/san-diego-grand-jury-investigating-cyclist-landis-/)
Floyd falls down.
Kick him.

Floyd gets desperate.
Kick him again.

Floyd admits.
Kick him some more.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on April 26, 2012, 19:21
Floyd falls down.
Kick him.

Floyd gets desperate.
Kick him again.

Floyd admits.
Kick him some more.

Floyd had his chance when Greg called him out.
Since then Floyd has made more and more bad decisions.
As his Mennonite brothers said about Floyd, sometimes good people do bad things.

Floyd did say he would pay back those who supported him in the Floyd Fairness Fund.

Well Floyd......where's the money?

Floyd needs to truly repent.

It isn't about USPS, Lord Armstrong, or Floyds' past.

It is about Floyds' future.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on April 27, 2012, 00:44
I actually dont have a problem with them taking action against Floyd.

He did raise funds from the public under false pretenses, and that is not ok for me.

The fact that Lance Armstrong (or any number of other people) did whatever he did and got away with it, doesnt make Floyds actions ok.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 27, 2012, 06:07


Can you learn to quote properly?  :fp  how are you sure that he doesn't fully repent?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on April 27, 2012, 06:25
Can you learn to quote properly?  :fp  how are you sure that he doesn't fully repent?
If he repented, it seems that he would have done it long ago, not at a convenient time.
Personally, I feel sorry for Floyd. He is a nice person who was caught in a maze of deceit.
So much of it was not of his own making, he was playing the same game as all of them.
So sorry to see Floyd as a fall guy. I hope the best for him. His old cronies need to bail him out.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 27, 2012, 08:53
If he repented, it seems that he would have done it long ago, not at a convenient time.
Personally, I feel sorry for Floyd. He is a nice person who was caught in a maze of deceit.
So much of it was not of his own making, he was playing the same game as all of them.
So sorry to see Floyd as a fall guy. I hope the best for him. His old cronies need to bail him out.

This sums it up nicely. I don't know if he's a nice person or not (I suspect it doesn't matter) but he must be wondering when it's all going to end. A painful process indeed, but a necessary one. :o
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 27, 2012, 09:10
If he repented, it seems that he would have done it long ago, not at a convenient time.
Personally, I feel sorry for Floyd. He is a nice person who was caught in a maze of deceit.
So much of it was not of his own making, he was playing the same game as all of them.
So sorry to see Floyd as a fall guy. I hope the best for him. His old cronies need to bail him out.

How do any of us know where Floyd is at? He may have repented, but not publicly. When you see how many fans actually care about doping and how many have put Floyd down for what he has done so far, he is damned if he does and if he doesn't.

He was caught in a maze of deceit and i still get the impression that he is not out of it.

Floyd is currently in a state of purgatory, not able to reach the promised land and not wanting to descend into hell, to use a religious analogy.

I too hope that he can move on and the sooner the better.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: TexPat on April 28, 2012, 09:25
As strange as it may seem, I am simultaneously saddened, disgusted, and bored by all of this.
Floyd is, by my reckoning, taking a lot of heat for something that wasn't at all extraordinary among his immediate peers. Let's face it; the purity of performance by the bosses of the peloton in that era is laughable. Floyd took a page from the playbook of  those same peers to build his defense after he was nabbed.
They were all cheats. He is unfortunately becoming the sacrificial lamb for systemic corruption in US cycling--the Good Ol' Boys fall guy, if you will. (Oddly enough, Floyd may be the one true cowboy among them. Imagine that! The Mennonite Cowboy!)
Be that as it may, he seems far less culpable, and his dishonesty far less insidious than his former captain's. In his mind he must have been thinking that if sh*t-for-brains-with-withered-manbits can get away with it, then surely I can.
Except, he didn't play The Game right.
It's disgusting that Justice (the big word, the ideal) seems to be so easily perverted and reverted by the power-and-money elite.
I'm filled with guilt that even the most miniscule amount of my intellectual and emotional energy has been wasted on this, yet my ego requires it. Stupid thing for a rational 21st century Man to do, no doubt. I could have used the noggin for so many other more useful endeavours.
The boredom comes from the cynical view I hold of all proceedings in the US. There is so little right in any of it.
How big of a fraud does one have to commit in the US to get away with it? It seems that a critical mass must exist at which point the  preposterous nature of the fraud exceeds the peoples' ability to recognize it as such.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on April 30, 2012, 06:17
As strange as it may seem, I am simultaneously saddened, disgusted, and bored by all of this.
Floyd is, by my reckoning, taking a lot of heat for something that wasn't at all extraordinary among his immediate peers. Let's face it; the purity of performance by the bosses of the peloton in that era is laughable. Floyd took a page from the playbook of  those same peers to build his defense after he was nabbed.
They were all cheats. He is unfortunately becoming the sacrificial lamb for systemic corruption in US cycling--the Good Ol' Boys fall guy, if you will. (Oddly enough, Floyd may be the one true cowboy among them. Imagine that! The Mennonite Cowboy!)
Be that as it may, he seems far less culpable, and his dishonesty far less insidious than his former captain's. In his mind he must have been thinking that if poo-for-brains-with-withered-manbits can get away with it, then surely I can.
Except, he didn't play The Game right.
It's disgusting that Justice (the big word, the ideal) seems to be so easily perverted and reverted by the power-and-money elite.
I'm filled with guilt that even the most miniscule amount of my intellectual and emotional energy has been wasted on this, yet my ego requires it. Stupid thing for a rational 21st century Man to do, no doubt. I could have used the noggin for so many other more useful endeavours.
The boredom comes from the cynical view I hold of all proceedings in the US. There is so little right in any of it.
How big of a fraud does one have to commit in the US to get away with it? It seems that a critical mass must exist at which point the  preposterous nature of the fraud exceeds the peoples' ability to recognize it as such.
Can't buy the fact that Lance or anyone else was responsable for Floyds' downfall. An analogy can be made that all people cheat on their income taxes. However if an individual is investigated for fudging his or her tax books and is asked for an audit by the IRS, who and what sort of individual then points fingers at others for tax fraud? How often does that strategy work?
The US has less corruption than other countries. Does that mean that the US is not corrupt.
Also it is interesting to note that two of the excluded favorites were excluded from the 06 tour because of Puerto, making it easier for Floyd to win the 06 Tour.
All that can be said in Floyds' behalf,(IMO) is that he was unlucky enough to be caught by a highly sensitive spectrometer test. That is 100 percent on Floyd and not on McQuaid, UCI, Armstrong etc.
As my man Chris Horner would say, 'Facts are facts.' Floyd rolled the dice one to many times......

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on April 30, 2012, 07:49
Yep - I am with Flicker on this one.

Its not about doping.  Its not about revenge, or someone else getting away with it and  he didnt.

He got caught - and isnt being proscecuted for that.  But where he crossed a line is he  started a fund to raise money from the public ... which he called a "Fairness Fund", and then later admitted to those same facts.

As far as I know, he still stands to gain from the 'whistleblowers' action he is taking ... so his claim to be doing it all in the public good doesnt actually ring true to me either.

I have a lot more sympathy for Tyler Hamilton ... who gave back his medal and has come clean with not much to gain, and who didnt try and get donations from people to prove his innocence.

I have a lot more sympathy for Basso and Scarponi and Valverde who got banned out of Peurto when Frank Schleck and many others didnt.

Just because someone else gets away with it, it doesnt lessen the crime that you commit.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on April 30, 2012, 10:37
Aye, a muppet is a muppet. Just because was associated with thundermuppets who didn't get caught, doesn't mean he's not a muppet and deserves to walk off. I didn't see him acting saintly at all during the duration of this case. If he's the so called fall guy, he did put himself well in that spot.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Slow Rider on May 05, 2012, 02:11
http://nos.nl/artikel/369822-rabobank-tolereerde-doping.html (http://nos.nl/artikel/369822-rabobank-tolereerde-doping.html)

Dutch article in a newspaper, here reported by the NOS, claims that Rabobank tolerated doping in 2007 and earlier. Rasmussen is mentioned, but so is Boogerd, who (of course) denied. Interestingly, Theo de Rooij (team manager) admits he knew certain riders doped. He sais the riders themselves were responsible, and only wanted to tolerate it if they were doping without too many risks for the riders' health.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on May 07, 2012, 23:18
NEW YORK -- San Francisco Giants reliever Guillermo Mota was suspended for 100 games on Monday, becoming just the third major league player penalized twice for positive drug tests.

The commissioner's office said the 38-year-old right-hander tested positive for Clenbuterol.  (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7902044/guillermo-mota-san-francisco-giants-gets-100-game-drug-suspension)

Baseball players don't even need to control their weight. Weird.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on May 08, 2012, 05:35
NEW YORK -- San Francisco Giants reliever Guillermo Mota was suspended for 100 games on Monday, becoming just the third major league player penalized twice for positive drug tests.

The commissioner's office said the 38-year-old right-hander tested positive for Clenbuterol.  (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7902044/guillermo-mota-san-francisco-giants-gets-100-game-drug-suspension)

Baseball players don't even need to control their weight. Weird.

38 year old reliever. Pretty amazing. These guys gotta be juicing in all sorts of ways. I would ask the BALCO man/all kinds of topical ointments, Victor Conte and Co. are pros.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 08, 2012, 08:52
NEW YORK -- San Francisco Giants reliever Guillermo Mota was suspended for 100 games on Monday, becoming just the third major league player penalized twice for positive drug tests.

The commissioner's office said the 38-year-old right-hander tested positive for Clenbuterol.  (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7902044/guillermo-mota-san-francisco-giants-gets-100-game-drug-suspension)

Baseball players don't even need to control their weight. Weird.

38 year old reliever. Pretty amazing. These guys gotta be juicing in all sorts of ways. I would ask the BALCO man/all kinds of topical ointments, Victor Conte and Co. are pros.

I agree with Flicker: it is pretty crazy for a guy of his age. So why use the stuff?

Apart from the brochodilatory effects - which never seem to be relevant to the doping aspect (I assume there's a reason for that) - Clenbuterol might typically be employed when the intent is not only to lose weight but also - and I think this bit is important - to lose weight quite quickly.

So while most athletes will do it for performance reasons, sometimes I think that there may also a little room for vanity and narcissism in a "candy store" drug culture that promotes too much symbiosis between sport and medical practitioners. Perhaps it's this latter idea that might cover at least part of the motivation of our ageing baseball hero.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on May 08, 2012, 10:47
NEW YORK -- San Francisco Giants reliever Guillermo Mota was suspended for 100 games on Monday, becoming just the third major league player penalized twice for positive drug tests.

The commissioner's office said the 38-year-old right-hander tested positive for Clenbuterol.  (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7902044/guillermo-mota-san-francisco-giants-gets-100-game-drug-suspension)

Baseball players don't even need to control their weight. Weird.

I think Clen has become a fashionable drug for those wishing to lose a bit fat and gain a bit of muscle. Whether it works or not for other sports apart from cycling, i have not got a clue!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on May 08, 2012, 18:38
I agree with Flicker: it is pretty crazy for a guy of his age. So why use the stuff?

Apart from the brochodilatory effects - which never seem to be relevant to the doping aspect (I assume there's a reason for that) - Clenbuterol might typically be employed when the intent is not only to lose weight but also - and I think this bit is important - to lose weight quite quickly.

So while most athletes will do it for performance reasons, sometimes I think that there may also a little room for vanity and narcissism in a "candy store" drug culture that promotes too much symbiosis between sport and medical practitioners. Perhaps it's this latter idea that might cover at least part of the motivation of our ageing baseball hero.

I agree, sports are show biz in a way. Look at how Armstrong, Tiger, and Contador beefed up.
Is it simple training, or vanity? For a 38 year relief pitcher, or for what was Armstrong 2.0. I see a lot of vanity. With Tiger and Barry Bonds, it looks more like weight training, combined with Steroids
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on May 09, 2012, 01:10
The 2004 olympic samples may be retested

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/international-olympic-committee-may-retest-2004-samples (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/international-olympic-committee-may-retest-2004-samples)

Its expected that the 172nd placed Honduras rider will be named olympic road race champion.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on May 09, 2012, 04:01
I agree, sports are show biz in a way. Look at how Armstrong, Tiger, and Contador beefed up.
Is it simple training, or vanity? For a 38 year relief pitcher, or for what was Armstrong 2.0. I see a lot of vanity. With Tiger and Barry Bonds, it looks more like weight training, combined with Steroids
Doping in golf really should have no effect at all, generally speaking. It is the coordination that makes a world of difference. Sure power helps, not so much, but a player like Matteo Manassero (who hits the ball only some 30 yards longer than I) is far more effective than a Victor Dubuisson. What we have to realise is Tiger's game was based on an awesome array of skills, and not just a long drive. He could've doped, and there's really no way to say either way, but he could easily achieve the results he did without dope. It isn't a stamina sport is golf, it is skill only, and if there's a drug to increase hand eye coordination at high speeds, it'd be pretty clear everyone would jump on it. At the moment though, I don't think that's readily available.

In essence, a short length player with fine iron skills would be well better than a long length player with dodgy irons, and a long length player with good irons can only really get a benefit in 3 holes in a round and it could, no would, be an impediment if he tried to change his game just to increase the length. Just see Martin Kaymer's career, he tried to change his swing in 2011 by increasing draw to it to suit the course at Augusta national and hasn't been the same player since.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 09, 2012, 08:28
Doping in golf really should have no effect at all, generally speaking. It is the coordination that makes a world of difference. Sure power helps, not so much, but a player like Matteo Manassero (who hits the ball only some 30 yards longer than I) is far more effective than a Victor Dubuisson. What we have to realise is Tiger's game was based on an awesome array of skills, and not just a long drive. He could've doped, and there's really no way to say either way, but he could easily achieve the results he did without dope. It isn't a stamina sport is golf, it is skill only, and if there's a drug to increase hand eye coordination at high speeds, it'd be pretty clear everyone would jump on it. At the moment though, I don't think that's readily available.

In essence, a short length player with fine iron skills would be well better than a long length player with dodgy irons, and a long length player with good irons can only really get a benefit in 3 holes in a round and it could, no would, be an impediment if he tried to change his game just to increase the length. Just see Martin Kaymer's career, he tried to change his swing in 2011 by increasing draw to it to suit the course at Augusta national and hasn't been the same player since.

Beta blockers will help golf players 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on May 09, 2012, 08:36
Valium could do that just as well. Not that I know of any professionals who have valium, nor has there ever been a come clean story, ever. There have been in other sports, not in golf.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 09, 2012, 11:42
(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/01/26/2/bettiniphoto_0096545_1_full_220.jpg)

Quote
FFC president David Lappartient told L’Équipe that the unannounced tests were carried out under the auspices of the federation, and that in the case of a sample showing elevated levels of cortisol, “a certificate preventing the practice of high level sport could be issued.”

“There were twenty tests, and one rider did not start again,” Lappartient continued.

The only non-starter on stage five of the 4 Jours de Dunkerque was former Tour de France king of the mountains Anthony Charteau (Europcar). Team manager Jean-René Bernaudeau said that his rider withdrew from the race due to a knee injury.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-federation-tests-for-corticoids-at-4-jours-de-dunkerque (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-federation-tests-for-corticoids-at-4-jours-de-dunkerque)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on May 09, 2012, 11:47
No one will be surprised if he was indeed doping.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dr. Horrible the Mad Elephant Man on May 09, 2012, 11:53
No one will be surprised if he was indeed doping.

Yes, he appears to have a big chin. Does doping cause ears to stick out?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: bicing on May 09, 2012, 11:55
(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/01/26/2/bettiniphoto_0096545_1_full_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-federation-tests-for-corticoids-at-4-jours-de-dunkerque (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-federation-tests-for-corticoids-at-4-jours-de-dunkerque)
i think l'quipe has made a desperate attempt to indicate association of doping where it doesn't really exist.

i also would not be surprised, and i don't like the guy because he exerts some sort of sick interest in winning against substandard competition in gabon, but it's weird to suggest doping for something so small...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 11, 2012, 08:51
(http://cdn4.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/05/10/2/dscn5697_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-astana-manager-sanquer-back-on-the-road-at-giro-with-fdj-bigmat (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-astana-manager-sanquer-back-on-the-road-at-giro-with-fdj-bigmat)

Sanquer's collaboration with Astana ended after only one year. Since the issue of Contador's doping ban for clenbuterol has been on his mind. "I had paid a lot of attention to the doping issue at Astana," he said. "Alberto rode the 2010 Tour de France clean. From where we started in October 2009 until the win in July, a lot of good work was done. Everyone knows me as an anti-doping campaigner. I don't want to discuss too much about the end of my relationship with Astana, but there were some different opinions."

interesting thing to say right after discussing Doping 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 11, 2012, 18:50
Just a general observation, so I won't bother to find a source. I noted with no interest at all that the Amir Khan boxing tie had been cancelled due to a positive test by his opponent.

What was interesting however was the anger of the promoter who must now compensate ticketholders and probably a host of other stakeholders, which of course does not occur in cycling. The cause of his anger, though understandable, was a misapprehension of anti-doping procedures. Khan's opponent was tested in April, he railed, so why did they only tell anyone the result now?

Apparently the unfortunate man does not know that dope tests do not yield instant results like a roadside breath test for alcohol. ;D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 11, 2012, 18:57
i think l'quipe has made a desperate attempt to indicate association of doping where it doesn't really exist.

i also would not be surprised, and i don't like the guy because he exerts some sort of sick interest in winning against substandard competition in gabon, but it's weird to suggest doping for something so small...

The results do not lie. Contador's Clenbuterol level was small enough to be called tiny but it still got him suspended. Charteau's level of corticoids was above the level produced by the body. If a doctor was injecting his knee with cortisone Manzano-style then it just showed up and it's too much.

He must now explain what happened to the French federation. The online version of L'Equipe at least was pretty straight about that. They didn't even want to call it a positive, which I find surprising.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on May 11, 2012, 19:25
UCI confirms no passport controls for Amgen Tour of California

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-confirms-no-passport-controls-for-amgen-tour-of-california (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-confirms-no-passport-controls-for-amgen-tour-of-california)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on May 11, 2012, 20:10
UCI confirms no passport controls for Amgen Tour of California

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-confirms-no-passport-controls-for-amgen-tour-of-california (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-confirms-no-passport-controls-for-amgen-tour-of-california)

No surprise there!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: GreasyMonkey on May 11, 2012, 20:48
UCI confirms no passport controls for Amgen Tour of California

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-confirms-no-passport-controls-for-amgen-tour-of-california (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-confirms-no-passport-controls-for-amgen-tour-of-california)

No pizes for guessing why it is considered a good preparation race for Le Tour.... ::)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on May 11, 2012, 21:09
No pizes for guessing why it is considered a good preparation race for Le Tour.... ::)

For sure and it does raise a few questions over those competing there with the exception of USA based sponsored teams?*

Is it possible for anti doping agencies to test during events? Could AFLD test any of the French riders during a race or would that be stepping on UCI toes?



*I presume it is not a WT race (UCI America Tour 2.HC)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: mew on May 12, 2012, 19:54
not sure if this is posted somewhere else...admin or mods feel free to delete or move

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11852/Source-says-Bruyneel-was-served-with-a-subpoena-by-federal-investigators.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11852/Source-says-Bruyneel-was-served-with-a-subpoena-by-federal-investigators.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: usedtobefast on May 15, 2012, 04:21
(http://blog.al.com/jdcrowe/2008/04/4-27-08DrugTest.jpg)

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DinZ on May 16, 2012, 06:20
L'Equipe headline

"Turgot on borrowed time?"

Paris-Roubaix runner-up S. Turgot faces possible suspension for 3 missed anti-doping controls
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on May 16, 2012, 08:11
That has implications for Europcar. might people see voeckler and Roland zooming it up the alpes a bit more scepticaly now where?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 16, 2012, 08:15
That has implications for Europcar. might people see voeckler and Roland zooming it up the alpes a bit more scepticaly now where?

it is the 2nd Europcar rider in the last 3 weeks to have suspicious issues around them re doping 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dr. Horrible the Mad Elephant Man on May 16, 2012, 10:33
Turgot turgone
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: bicing on May 16, 2012, 11:16
not sure if this is posted somewhere else...admin or mods feel free to delete or move

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11852/Source-says-Bruyneel-was-served-with-a-subpoena-by-federal-investigators.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11852/Source-says-Bruyneel-was-served-with-a-subpoena-by-federal-investigators.aspx)
I haven't read the article, but what kind of sandwich is a sub poena?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: bicing on May 16, 2012, 11:19
The results do not lie. Contador's Clenbuterol level was small enough to be called tiny but it still got him suspended. Charteau's level of corticoids was above the level produced by the body. If a doctor was injecting his knee with cortisone Manzano-style then it just showed up and it's too much.

He must now explain what happened to the French federation. The online version of L'Equipe at least was pretty straight about that. They didn't even want to call it a positive, which I find surprising.
I didn't see in the artcile that Charteau had a level of corticoids above the level produced inthe body. I read only that he DNS'd on the day that the tests were being had. Sorry fir misreading :(
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: bicing on May 16, 2012, 11:33
Turgot turgone

What a turg. He broke the rules, turgot he's got tur-got.
I mean, how professional athletes fail tur-got to a doping control, and then claim "I just plain turgoT!" What's up with that?
I hope he doesn't turg around and say to the press "I missed the controls because I ate turgle from Spain and I was afraid it would have Clenbuturgol in it" because that would be a joke, worse than the stunts pulled by Contador and Landis.
Seems this is happening more often, hope it doesn't happen to other random riders like Luke "Turbot" Durbridge.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on May 16, 2012, 12:02
Missed the obvious one, Turdot.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on May 16, 2012, 12:17
For me missing 3 controls points to the obvious. Missing 1 is understandable, 2 possible, but after that i am afraid it is the last dot to connect a rider to PEDs
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 16, 2012, 13:22
This one's moving quickly. Europcar disputes the three strikes, claims only two:

http://fr.teameuropcar.com/cyclisme/communique-de-presse_sto3273570/story.shtml (http://fr.teameuropcar.com/cyclisme/communique-de-presse_sto3273570/story.shtml) (FR)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: bicing on May 16, 2012, 13:54
Missed the obvious one, Turdot.
What a turg. I had it;
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on May 16, 2012, 14:02
I think this is turging into a Turgot memorial thread.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 16, 2012, 14:35
This one's moving quickly. Europcar disputes the three strikes, claims only two:

http://fr.teameuropcar.com/cyclisme/communique-de-presse_sto3273570/story.shtml (http://fr.teameuropcar.com/cyclisme/communique-de-presse_sto3273570/story.shtml) (FR)

not full support from Europcar

His Europcar team manager Jean-Rene Bernaudeau made his displeasure clear. "He's an idiot. He's indefensible. He has been incredibly careless," he told Reuters.

"He knew the rules. We completely support the ADAMS system.”

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11885/Turgot-blasted-over-whereabouts-violations-awaiting-possible-suspension.aspx#ixzz1v2VYR6BG (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11885/Turgot-blasted-over-whereabouts-violations-awaiting-possible-suspension.aspx#ixzz1v2VYR6BG)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on May 17, 2012, 00:31
and straight after that, they come out and say "oh but we support him fully, and two of the incidents were not actually missed tests    ::)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11888/Europcar-backs-Turgot-who-contests-claims-of-three-whereabouts-violations.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11888/Europcar-backs-Turgot-who-contests-claims-of-three-whereabouts-violations.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dr. Horrible the Mad Elephant Man on May 17, 2012, 02:03
and straight after that, they come out and say "oh but we support him fully, and two of the incidents were not actually missed tests    ::)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11888/Europcar-backs-Turgot-who-contests-claims-of-three-whereabouts-violations.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11888/Europcar-backs-Turgot-who-contests-claims-of-three-whereabouts-violations.aspx)

He is an idiot, but he is our idiot so we must defend him.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 23, 2012, 10:55
At the end of the past millennium, many cycling teams carried fridges for the conservation of the EPO, but in a total contradiction with the dark times of the sport, the Liquigas-Cannondale team has a small refrigerated truck driving from stage to stage in addition to the travelling laboratory.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/liquigas-cannondale-team-doctor-how-cycling-helps-science (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/liquigas-cannondale-team-doctor-how-cycling-helps-science)

interesting read
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 24, 2012, 13:15
(http://www.sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.1309040!image/4273741638.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape470/4273741638.jpg)

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/Giro/120524_de_gendt_giro_doping (http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/Giro/120524_de_gendt_giro_doping)

TDG I enjoy the hunt for doping
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on May 24, 2012, 16:15
(http://www.sporza.be/polopoly_fs/1.1309040!image/4273741638.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape470/4273741638.jpg)

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/Giro/120524_de_gendt_giro_doping (http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/Giro/120524_de_gendt_giro_doping)

TDG I enjoy the hunt for doping

"De Gendt know the explanation of his excellent performance. "The hunt for doping," he says. "The platoon has become a lot clearer. Without stricter controls would never be able to stand among the top ten. You notice that the small differences. State within the top 4 and a half minutes and after 17 rounds but I'm 4'38 "lost.""

Dont think he speaks the truth. What stricter controls. Stricter team regimes to avoid positives is more likely.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 24, 2012, 18:04
Bloody Oz folks

(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//photos/2008/news/oct08/oct06news/bd_20081005_00011_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vansevenants-doping-products-were-only-amino-acids (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vansevenants-doping-products-were-only-amino-acids)

this just seems so dodgy

1st it is this new doping drug from OZ

but now the firm did the old  amino acids in the jar trick

and he gets off

 ::)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on May 24, 2012, 21:18
Bloody Oz folks

(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//photos/2008/news/oct08/oct06news/bd_20081005_00011_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vansevenants-doping-products-were-only-amino-acids (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vansevenants-doping-products-were-only-amino-acids)

this just seems so dodgy

1st it is this new doping drug from OZ

but now the firm did the old  amino acids in the jar trick

and he gets off

 ::)

If the yanks can do it why not the Belgians.

Dont believe he was duped. All lies and cover up.

Bit like Schleck and Basso, 'had the intention to dope' but never did ::)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on May 30, 2012, 12:02
Pablo Pintos uit Uruguay en de Argentijn Matias Medici zijn op doping betrapt tijdens de Rutas de America van afgelopen februari. Het tweetal zou EPO hebben gebruikt en daar staat een schorsing voor twee jaar op.  Medici was derde in de bewuste etappekoers, Pintos achtste. Medici - die kandidaat was om naar de Olympische Spelen van Londen te gaan - werd op 9 maart Pan-Amerikaans kampioen tijdrijden.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on May 30, 2012, 13:30
Pablo Pintos uit Uruguay en de Argentijn Matias Medici zijn op doping betrapt tijdens de Rutas de America van afgelopen februari. Het tweetal zou EPO hebben gebruikt en daar staat een schorsing voor twee jaar op.  Medici was derde in de bewuste etappekoers, Pintos achtste. Medici - die kandidaat was om naar de Olympische Spelen van Londen te gaan - werd op 9 maart Pan-Amerikaans kampioen tijdrijden.

Translation:
Pablo Pintos from Uruguay and the Argentinian Matias Medici have been caught on doping during the Rutas de America of last February. The two would have used EPO and there is a punishment of two years for EPO. Medici were third in this stage race, Pintos was 8th. Medici - who was candidate to go to the Olympic Games of London - became on the 9th of may Pan-American champion Time Trial.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 31, 2012, 19:01
Operacion Galgo, dismissed due to lack of evidence

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/operacion-galgo-comes-to-an-end-in-spain (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/operacion-galgo-comes-to-an-end-in-spain)

again with the lack of evidence

use the system , tell us all get off scott free simples
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on May 31, 2012, 20:44
Guess it was inevitable.. Spain.. :fp ::)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on June 02, 2012, 12:29
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12012/Paris-Roubaix-runner-up-Sebastien-Turgot-cleared-of-whereabouts-violation-charges.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12012/Paris-Roubaix-runner-up-Sebastien-Turgot-cleared-of-whereabouts-violation-charges.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Flo on June 02, 2012, 13:04
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12012/Paris-Roubaix-runner-up-Sebastien-Turgot-cleared-of-whereabouts-violation-charges.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12012/Paris-Roubaix-runner-up-Sebastien-Turgot-cleared-of-whereabouts-violation-charges.aspx)

 :fp  :fp And Frenchies dare to say bad things about Spain.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on June 02, 2012, 13:14
well - in all fairness, if they are marking as a missed test a time when he actually underwent a test ... then I can see why he should get off.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: doolols on June 03, 2012, 00:59
well - in all fairness, if they are marking as a missed test a time when he actually underwent a test ... then I can see why he should get off.

And another was due to "internet problems" accessing the ADAMS system.  :-\ I would have thought pros would have internet access via phones and tablets and the like. And can't they phone up as well?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on June 03, 2012, 02:05
I read that at the time it was the ADAMS system that was down ... not his internet.   

He could prove that he tried to log on and complete/submit his forms but could not.    (they have to complete a detailed itinerary every 3 months (I think) by a certain time, and then they update/amend that by email, sms or phone ... but the actual details in the first place must be done via the internet).   

If they do not complete the detailed form by a specific date, it counts as a missed test.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on June 03, 2012, 15:04
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/02/alexander-dale-oen-death (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/02/alexander-dale-oen-death)

Maybe I'm reaching here, but could there be a connection between this tragic death and the two other incidents (Piermario Morosini's death in April and Fabrice Muamba's heart attack in March) mentioned in the article?

I know that healthy young men sometimes die unexpectedly of heart attacks caused by un-diagnosed congenital defects, but is three incidents in two months among top level athletes ringing alarm bells for anyone else?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on June 03, 2012, 16:44
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/02/alexander-dale-oen-death (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/02/alexander-dale-oen-death)

Maybe I'm reaching here, but could there be a connection between this tragic death and the two other incidents (Piermario Morosini's death in April and Fabrice Muamba's heart attack in March) mentioned in the article?

I know that healthy young men sometimes die unexpectedly of heart attacks caused by un-diagnosed congenital defects, but is three incidents in two months among top level athletes ringing alarm bells for anyone else?

Yep it did me and i posted a similar thread on the clinic but most peeps dismissed it as doping!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on June 03, 2012, 21:20
Media coverage is a difference these days, fifteen or twenty years ago, Morosini may not have been mentioned in the press. Just seeing the list of professionals who've died on the field, it's not at all a small one.

Much more finely tuned athletes, much more stress on the body, and more delicate. I'm not saying no doping, but deaths due to that? Not sure about it, and it will take some convincing beyond a bit of hearsay and speculation. That'd be the case for any sport.

Then again, I know sweet flip all about medicine to talk so convincingly.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on June 03, 2012, 21:52
One thing needs to be cleared up; Sporting at the top level is for sure not always healthy and shouldnt really be expected to be healthy, these people demand so much of their bodies.

And then im not even talking about drug (ab)use..
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on June 04, 2012, 01:39
yep.   Even before we start with the perils of injecting things into the system, the health aspects of training and riding that much have to be severe. 

It cannot be healthy to have % body fat in the single digits ... to ride a 5-7 hr race every day for 3 weeks ... to force yourself to eat and drink so much just to replace what you are sweating out and using up so unnaturally.

Endurance sports taken to the extreme like cycling is dont exactly promote a healthy balance in the first place.

As for other sports ... stuff like soccor ... I can only imagine the amount of training, skills and stress that kind of level of sport puts on your body.  Cant begin to imagine what lengths people will go to in order to acheive success when success results in that kind of fame, money and adulation.

Its scary stuff
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on June 06, 2012, 15:07
http://ht.ly/boHiI (http://ht.ly/boHiI)

Wim Sevenant wont be prosecuted for buying fake TB500.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on June 06, 2012, 16:03
http://ht.ly/boHiI (http://ht.ly/boHiI)

Wim Sevenant wont be prosecuted for buying fake TB500.

 Wims' Dumb Luck! LOL!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 07, 2012, 18:10
(http://news.velonation.com/Misc/Featured/original/WADALogo-2F.jpg)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12053/WADA-budget-constraints-hurting-fight-against-doping.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12053/WADA-budget-constraints-hurting-fight-against-doping.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on June 07, 2012, 18:24
(http://news.velonation.com/Misc/Featured/original/WADALogo-2F.jpg)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12053/WADA-budget-constraints-hurting-fight-against-doping.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12053/WADA-budget-constraints-hurting-fight-against-doping.aspx)

It is crazy how little money they have  :(
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 07, 2012, 21:09
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12012/Paris-Roubaix-runner-up-Sebastien-Turgot-cleared-of-whereabouts-violation-charges.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12012/Paris-Roubaix-runner-up-Sebastien-Turgot-cleared-of-whereabouts-violation-charges.aspx)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-may-appeal-ffcs-turgot-decision-on-whereabouts-violations (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-may-appeal-ffcs-turgot-decision-on-whereabouts-violations)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on June 08, 2012, 00:52
Quote
The Frenchman was charged with two failed whereabouts filings - one in the second quarter of 2011 and one in the first quarter of 2012, plus one missed test on May 25, 2011.

The FFC declared Turgot negligent in his whereabouts filings for entering his information late and incomplete in 2011, despite his protestations that the whereabouts computer system ADAMS was at fault for his 2012 violation.

It dismissed, however, the May 25, 2011 missed test, and therefore did not impose a suspension, which could have been maxed out at two years and would have wiped out his Paris-Roubaix result. Turgot was not available during the one-hour window provided in his whereabouts declarations on this date, however, the FFC stated that anti-doping controllers located him by telephone and performed the control.

Surely this is just ridiculous

So they actually DID the test, but the UCI still want to suspend him for 2 years because his paperwork was wrong.

This is not right

I am not saying he is innocent or guilty ... I am saying the system is completely wrong.  Surely it cant be this hard, in this day and age, to get a system where they know where the cyclists are, and that the athletes can actually live with and participate in without it being such an enormous feature of their life.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: mew on June 08, 2012, 22:22
Agreed but came across it and though others might want to have a  look

mew and AG will be here soonish to back up their Guy

HOW could I have missed that entirely!  :-*
I'm pretty sure that AG also thought it was nothing but HOT AIR

(http://jencarnes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/darth-vader_hotairballoon.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: mew on June 10, 2012, 03:13
Saw this article in the WSJ today...don't know where it belongs but stuck it here....

a 'Hall of Shame' walk for the ancient Olympians

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303753904577452351934877524.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#articleTabs%3Darticle (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303753904577452351934877524.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#articleTabs%3Darticle)

interesting that the author mentions Floyd, Ullrich, Contador and Pantani....
and who he did not mention   >:(

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 18, 2012, 23:31
Might as well post this somewhere...

Roger Clemens acquitted of all charges
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ii94EfnXa7o1Vs6CsZYYqWKU8gzw?docId=a3ede54c22d145b59c51f185aee1782f (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ii94EfnXa7o1Vs6CsZYYqWKU8gzw?docId=a3ede54c22d145b59c51f185aee1782f)


Quote
The verdict was the latest blow to the government's legal pursuit of athletes accused of illicit drug use.
A seven-year investigation into home run king Barry Bonds yielded a guilty verdict on only one count of obstruction of justice in a San Francisco court last year, with the jury deadlocked on whether Bonds lied to a grand jury when he denied knowingly taking performance-enhancing drugs.

A two-year, multicontinent investigation that looked into possible drug use by cyclist Lance Armstrong was recently closed with no charges brought, though the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency filed formal accusations last week that could strip the seven-time Tour de France winner of his victories in that storied race. Armstrong denies any doping.

The Clemens outcome also comes on the heels of the Department of Justice's failure to gain a conviction in the high-profile corruption trial of former presidential candidate John Edwards.

 :fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ansimi on June 20, 2012, 05:21
Article (in French) about stepped up testing at Canadian nationals this week:

http://www.journaldequebec.com/2012/06/19/des-athletes-sous-haute-surveillance (http://www.journaldequebec.com/2012/06/19/des-athletes-sous-haute-surveillance)

Nationals are in Quebec and 3 Quebec cyclists had EPO positives last year which they seem to find embarrassing.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on June 21, 2012, 21:56
More fallout from the Armstrong affair:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/garmin-barracuda-favors-experience-in-tour-de-france-selecti (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/garmin-barracuda-favors-experience-in-tour-de-france-selecti)

Danielson should be the rider supported for a podium. I also understood Vandveld was running well after the Giro. Looks like Garmin is playing it safe by keeping Vandveld, Z man and Danielson undercover, as domestics.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 24, 2012, 13:08
FDJ-BigMat's Mickael Delage returned an adverse analytical finding for cortisol on the eve of the French Nats and was prevented from starting:

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Delage-interdit-de-depart/293674 (http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Delage-interdit-de-depart/293674)

http://www.dopeology.org/incidents/Delage-violation/ (http://www.dopeology.org/incidents/Delage-violation/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 24, 2012, 13:18
The arch-originator of the dodgy teeth meme Bart Wellens has been given the all-clear by a Belgian dentist court.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wellens-doping-investigation-officially-dropped (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wellens-doping-investigation-officially-dropped)

Lucky Bartje!

(http://s2.hbvl.be/ahimgpath/assets_img_gvl/2012/01/10/2115226/bart-wellens-niet-langer-op-intensive-care-uza-id2460950-1000x800-n.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 27, 2012, 18:43
(http://cdn0.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2011/03/25/2/bettiniphoto_0075661_1_full_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bertagnolli-snared-by-biological-passport (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bertagnolli-snared-by-biological-passport)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 27, 2012, 18:50
(http://news.velonation.com/Misc/Teams/2012/Feature/original/Lampre_ISD_Ukraine12-1F.jpg)

Since joining Lampre-ISD - as the team points out - the rider has not returned any suspicious samples, and has been fully co-operative with anti-doping systems.
“Doctor Carlo Guardascione, responsible of Lampre-ISD's health staff, also confirms that no anomalies were detected in all the blood exams performed within the internal monitoring program that the Team has performed in cooperation with Mapei Sport Center in 2011 and 2012 (when Bertagnolli was a member of Lampre-ISD) and in the biological passport exams that were performed in the same period,” the statement concludes.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12228/Lampre-ISD-distances-itself-from-Leonardo-Bertagnollis-Biological-Passport-case.aspx#ixzz1z17vUnPj (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12228/Lampre-ISD-distances-itself-from-Leonardo-Bertagnollis-Biological-Passport-case.aspx#ixzz1z17vUnPj)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 02, 2012, 11:37
This really irritated me:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hesjedal-comfortable-in-finale-of-tours-first-road-stage (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hesjedal-comfortable-in-finale-of-tours-first-road-stage)

Quote
Coming into the Tour, Hesjedal's overall chances have divided opinion. There are those in the press room unmoved by his Giro win, who recount that the last winner of the Giro and Tour double was the late Marco Pantani. They almost scoff at the prospect of the gangly Canadian being mentioned in the same breath as the once great climber. Not even Alberto Contador could do it, they add.

Yeah, and we know why "not even" Contador could do it.

Perhaps it's because I didn't see the pinnacle of his career, only his upcoming years, but I am unmoved by Pantani. He got more than his fair share of trouble in his short life but that's how things can go when the pressure might be coming from uncomfortable places.

The man was in deep up to his little, bandana wearing head and that is why he could tear up mountains in the big ring and pull off all those memorable performances.

Doping has changed: based on the products and methods we know about, they can no longer achieve any surprise without someone at least raising an eyebrow and justifiably so. Nowadays that's one reason why there are no more ridiculous shows of bravado to fill the pink toilet paper pages.

So if Italian journos are able scoff like that without any sense of irony, then perhaps they need to get out of the sport too.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on July 02, 2012, 18:27
Very few who write about cycling write without an extreme bias whether it be nationalistic or a particluar rider.

As for CN, that is the one stop paste and copy shop for every team, federation piece of pr and other newspapers article dumbed down to CN levels.

It should really be called CP&C.

who reads it anymore?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on July 06, 2012, 08:52
Very few who write about cycling write without an extreme bias whether it be nationalistic or a particluar rider.

As for CN, that is the one stop paste and copy shop for every team, federation piece of pr and other newspapers article dumbed down to CN levels.

It should really be called CP&C.

who reads it anymore?
a poem about it by bill strickland
http://captaintbag.tumblr.com/post/26587157074/startin-tuh-feel-like-a-fuggin-tour-de-france (http://captaintbag.tumblr.com/post/26587157074/startin-tuh-feel-like-a-fuggin-tour-de-france)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on July 06, 2012, 23:24
Raymond Kerckhoffs ‏@raykerckhoffs
Morgen meer achtergrond informatie in Televisie over Usada en de Armstrong-case in #telesport
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on July 08, 2012, 22:58
Local boy, auto racer, I wonder what he is suspected of using?

http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/56093166?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CSports%7Cp&usatref=sportsmod (http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/56093166?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CSports%7Cp&usatref=sportsmod)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on July 10, 2012, 23:01
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-chief-to-dopers-stay-away-from-olympics (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-chief-to-dopers-stay-away-from-olympics)

The tests will be pointless unless they have decided to invest in proper testing.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on July 12, 2012, 14:06
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-12/di-gregorio-faces-doping-charges/4127616?section=sport (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-12/di-gregorio-faces-doping-charges/4127616?section=sport)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on July 12, 2012, 14:07
Zam I cant get the link to work...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 12, 2012, 14:46
Just in case it hasn't already been posted, the Erfurt UV case - which embroiled Marcel Kittel at the beginning of the season - was closed since a conviction was unachievable. The relevant law did not include the part that forbids retransfusion at the time of the alleged incidents and cannot be retrospectively applied.

Spread of the whole case here:

http://www.dopeology.org/incidents/Franke-investigation/ (http://www.dopeology.org/incidents/Franke-investigation/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on July 12, 2012, 14:47
Similar to Zam's but with the link working
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/prosecutors-want-di-gregorio-charged-with-prohibited-doping-methods (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/prosecutors-want-di-gregorio-charged-with-prohibited-doping-methods)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on July 15, 2012, 19:37
                 parallel universe


http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/8157366/aj-allmendinger-says-tested-positive-stimulant (http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/8157366/aj-allmendinger-says-tested-positive-stimulant)

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 17, 2012, 12:07
2004 Olympics retested

(http://cdn4.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2010/05/11/2/19090402tn_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/re-tested-2004-olympic-samples-reveal-adverse-analytical-findings (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/re-tested-2004-olympic-samples-reveal-adverse-analytical-findings)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 17, 2012, 13:13
2004 Olympics retested

(http://cdn4.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2010/05/11/2/19090402tn_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/re-tested-2004-olympic-samples-reveal-adverse-analytical-findings (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/re-tested-2004-olympic-samples-reveal-adverse-analytical-findings)

It's important to note, for those who did not read the article, that details of neither which sports nor which athletes have yet been released.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 18, 2012, 18:16
Meanwhile Lituanian rider Rasa Leleivyte also found herself in the same position after a positive A sample for EPO taken in an out-of-competition control on 12 June 2012. She took must decide if she will accept the result or opt for a B sample analysis. Like Gabrovski, she is provisionally suspended.

The 23 year old was European espoir champion in 2008 and is a multiple national champion. She took a stage win plus third in the Tour of Qatar in 2010. She is racing with the Vaiano Tepso team this year and took sixteenth overall in the Giro del Trentino plus thirteenth overall in the Giro Donne.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12433/Tour-of-Turkey-winner-Gabrovski-suspended-for-A-sample-EPO-positive-doping-test.aspx#ixzz20zlzMdwn (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12433/Tour-of-Turkey-winner-Gabrovski-suspended-for-A-sample-EPO-positive-doping-test.aspx#ixzz20zlzMdwn)

(http://images31.fotki.com/v1096/photos/1/108147/5795588/RasaLeleivyte-vi.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 18, 2012, 18:31
Meanwhile Lituanian rider Rasa Leleivyte also found herself in the same position after a positive A sample for EPO taken in an out-of-competition control on 12 June 2012. She took must decide if she will accept the result or opt for a B sample analysis. Like Gabrovski, she is provisionally suspended.

The 23 year old was European espoir champion in 2008 and is a multiple national champion. She took a stage win plus third in the Tour of Qatar in 2010. She is racing with the Vaiano Tepso team this year and took sixteenth overall in the Giro del Trentino plus thirteenth overall in the Giro Donne.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12433/Tour-of-Turkey-winner-Gabrovski-suspended-for-A-sample-EPO-positive-doping-test.aspx#ixzz20zlzMdwn (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12433/Tour-of-Turkey-winner-Gabrovski-suspended-for-A-sample-EPO-positive-doping-test.aspx#ixzz20zlzMdwn)

(http://images31.fotki.com/v1096/photos/1/108147/5795588/RasaLeleivyte-vi.jpg)

Terrible news. A prodigious young talent resorting to the heavy stuff. You have to wonder what was her motive: she seemed to be a really promising rider before this with no real blips in form. That suggests that either it is a recent thing or, much worse, she has already been getting busy with the fizzy for quite some time.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on July 20, 2012, 10:38
Terrible news. A prodigious young talent resorting to the heavy stuff. You have to wonder what was her motive: she seemed to be a really promising rider before this with no real blips in form. That suggests that either it is a recent thing or, much worse, she has already been getting busy with the fizzy for quite some time.

I am inclined to think that athletes are introduced to the fizz as early as possible, which is stupid when you think about it from a performance point of view.

The level of intensity i witnessed that Italian Juniors appear to be under from family and friends, hoping that they had the new Coppi, Bartali, Moser, Saronni etc on their hands was ludicrous. For some to avoid failure must be so high that they will do anything.

I witnessed a 9/10/11 year old out training with his father (on the scooter) during school hours, FFS. Incredible. :(
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: jobiwan on July 23, 2012, 18:34
Even the Gran Fondo New York isn't spared.

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/david-anthony-tests-positive (http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/david-anthony-tests-positive)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on July 23, 2012, 23:54
Even the Gran Fondo New York isn't spared.

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/david-anthony-tests-positive (http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/david-anthony-tests-positive)

That is one pitiful individual. I would fine him up the ying yang, and then let him keep racing. It sounds like he bus a lot of gear, and we need more businessmen like him to support the bike shops. He isn't hurting anyone but himself. I see these masters clowns around my neck of the woods, I suspect they are doping, who cares, they are jerks. Let them race with the other, self centered masters. Get some ball dave anthony and race cat 1, dope n all!!! They are self satisfying, and really are quite comical, lazer like focus at 47, come on dude.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on July 26, 2012, 17:26
Toulon's English flanker Steffon Armitage has an "abnormal" doping test result, but the French Top 14 club insist he has not taken a banned substance

Extremely fishy nonetheless.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dr. Horrible the Mad Elephant Man on July 27, 2012, 12:17
Pat McQuaid at his slimey slippery best trying to pin everything on WADA while denying he is doing it.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-disavows-uci-responsibility-in-armstrong-case (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-disavows-uci-responsibility-in-armstrong-case)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on July 28, 2012, 00:48
Pat McQuaid at his slimey slippery best trying to pin everything on WADA while denying he is doing it.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-disavows-uci-responsibility-in-armstrong-case (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-disavows-uci-responsibility-in-armstrong-case)

Are you trying to say WADA is on the up and up? I mean come on, they have let athletes get away with performance since their creation, as dirty as anyone else. Ask Victor Conte.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 09, 2012, 12:21
meh

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8250466/report-ioc-strip-tyler-hamilton-2004-gold-medal (http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8250466/report-ioc-strip-tyler-hamilton-2004-gold-medal)

sure take it away but do not give it to Ekimov  :fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 09, 2012, 12:42
Conte is in the times today saying 60 % of athletes at the games on drugs and the testing is just good press.

I have no link as you need a paid subscription -
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on August 09, 2012, 13:29
meh

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8250466/report-ioc-strip-tyler-hamilton-2004-gold-medal (http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8250466/report-ioc-strip-tyler-hamilton-2004-gold-medal)

sure take it away but do not give it to Ekimov  :fp

Be cool if Ekimov's doping came out in the USADA investigation  :tu
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on August 09, 2012, 13:35
ah Benotti - you are evil.     ;D

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on August 09, 2012, 15:57
The Ekimov thing shows just how retarded the whole doping thing is. It is possible that if Ekimov gets found in the investigation, a guy who was not even on the podium AND is known to have doped will be given a medal on the basis that he was caught doping after the original winner.

As for Conte, what he is saying makes sense to me but lets remember that according to the rules of doping discussions  he is someone who has been involved in doping before and therefore everything he says must be lies.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on August 09, 2012, 21:32
The Ekimov thing shows just how retarded the whole doping thing is. It is possible that if Ekimov gets found in the investigation, a guy who was not even on the podium AND is known to have doped will be given a medal on the basis that he was caught doping after the original winner.

As for Conte, what he is saying makes sense to me but lets remember that according to the rules of doping discussions  he is someone who has been involved in doping before and therefore everything he says must be lies.

Actually, he is quality(Conte) as an organizer of doping, cheating schedules. Conte has been transparent, (check his you tube videos) on doping methods. He organized labs to create designer steroids. He was only caught because that Tammy Man/Woman went overboard on her Ped use, and was nailed, at that point Balco was set up.
He isn't a liar like some other athletes. He did not dupe his fans into contributing to defense funds.

I see Conte as I see Ferrari. They work for profit, produce the most exceptional performances as possible, and sincerely care about the health of their athletes.

A little smarter and credible than Tyler and Landis.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on August 09, 2012, 21:35
The Ekimov thing shows just how retarded the whole doping thing is. It is possible that if Ekimov gets found in the investigation, a guy who was not even on the podium AND is known to have doped will be given a medal on the basis that he was caught doping after the original winner.

As for Conte, what he is saying makes sense to me but lets remember that according to the rules of doping discussions  he is someone who has been involved in doping before and therefore everything he says must be lies.

If Ekimov gets gold it will prove my point that the dope testers really do not care about doping, only in some sick way producing the champions they chose, for profit, and political gain.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on August 10, 2012, 06:33
meh

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8250466/report-ioc-strip-tyler-hamilton-2004-gold-medal (http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8250466/report-ioc-strip-tyler-hamilton-2004-gold-medal)

sure take it away but do not give it to Ekimov  :fp
Marion Jones and Thanou? Could be that like the 100m from 2000
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 10, 2012, 07:52
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2012/08/jacque-rogges-letter-to-tyler-hamilton (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2012/08/jacque-rogges-letter-to-tyler-hamilton)

Rogges thanks TH for returning the medal
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on August 10, 2012, 20:22
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2012/08/jacque-rogges-letter-to-tyler-hamilton (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2012/08/jacque-rogges-letter-to-tyler-hamilton)

Rogges thanks TH for returning the medal

Anyone here know if
tyler is going to return
any other results while doping?
More importantly will Tyler return
the contributions donated to him
for his defense fund?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on August 10, 2012, 22:15
Speculation rather than anything concrete, but carries on from Conte's 60% suggestion.  In a radio interview after the ladies 1500m final this evening, GB's Lisa Dobriskey had this to say; "I'll probably get into trouble for saying this but I don't believe I'm competing on a level playing field".  Unusual, but  nice, for an athlete to speak out. 

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on August 15, 2012, 10:57
As excuses go, this one is priceless  ;D
http://inrng.tumblr.com/post/29472905178/itsrainingepo (http://inrng.tumblr.com/post/29472905178/itsrainingepo)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on August 29, 2012, 11:40
Sören Svenningsen, a 47 years old Danish official of their cycling federation who is still active as a veteran has been the first ever official to test positive. He has tested positive for three forbidden substances at the same time at a race on 30th of June.

"We are shocked, its unforgivable that an official of the Danish cycling federation has tested positive" was the reaction of the shocked president of the danish cycling federation Tom Lund


http://www.nusport.nl/mixed-zone/2895785/deense-wielerofficial-47-betrapt-doping.html (http://www.nusport.nl/mixed-zone/2895785/deense-wielerofficial-47-betrapt-doping.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on August 29, 2012, 11:56
Sören Svenningsen, a 47 years old Danish official of their cycling federation who is still active as a veteran has been the first ever official to test positive. He has tested positive for three forbidden substances at the same time at a race on 30th of June.

"We are shocked, its unforgivable that an official of the Danish cycling federation has tested positive" was the reaction of the shocked president of the danish cycling federation Tom Lund


http://www.nusport.nl/mixed-zone/2895785/deense-wielerofficial-47-betrapt-doping.html (http://www.nusport.nl/mixed-zone/2895785/deense-wielerofficial-47-betrapt-doping.html)

So funny and yet so pathetic at the same time.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on August 31, 2012, 08:45
The great Cyclisme-Dopage puts out a detailed exclusive on 2012 Vuelta power numbers by Frédéric Portoleau, aeronautics engineer and co-writer of Antoine Vayer:

http://www.cyclisme-dopage.com/puissances/2012-08-30-cyclisme-dopage.htm (http://www.cyclisme-dopage.com/puissances/2012-08-30-cyclisme-dopage.htm)

Great read if you speak French, though the tabular data ought to deliver the essence even if you don't. ;) This is just a teaser from the first week or so - there will be more later in the race.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Icebreaker on August 31, 2012, 18:06
If Ekimov gets gold it will prove my point that the dope testers really do not care about doping, only in some sick way producing the champions they chose, for profit, and political gain.

^. This
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dr. Horrible the Mad Elephant Man on September 03, 2012, 11:12
No Italian team for the worlds if the headline was really true

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-bettini-to-select-worlds-team-from-suspicion-free-riders (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-bettini-to-select-worlds-team-from-suspicion-free-riders)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 06, 2012, 11:49
(http://news.velonation.com/Misc/People/Feature/original/Museeuw_Johan_PR.jpg)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12806/Museeuw-admits-doping-was-part-of-daily-life-when-he-raced.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12806/Museeuw-admits-doping-was-part-of-daily-life-when-he-raced.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 06, 2012, 13:19
Vaughters Outs Danielson

by Steve Tilford

http://stevetilford.com/?p=21510 (http://stevetilford.com/?p=21510)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 06, 2012, 14:00
Tour chats this sunday - 9th of September

 Show #44 – September 9 at 9 PM
Betsy Andreu
“I shouldn’t have to justify why I told the truth. Someone else’s guilt shouldn’t be a reason for me to shut up. Until the truth is told, you’re not even dealing with reality. A lot of people have a lot invested in not having the truth revealed. The scope of the people dependent on the myth and making money off the myth has made it harder to expose the myth.” – Bicycling.com
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 06, 2012, 15:23
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/usada-looks-forward-to-questions-concerning-its-procedures_237658 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/usada-looks-forward-to-questions-concerning-its-procedures_237658)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 07, 2012, 08:11
(http://cdn4.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2010/10/14/2/pic146390829_600.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/prosecutors-seek-three-year-doping-ban-for-bertagnolli (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/prosecutors-seek-three-year-doping-ban-for-bertagnolli)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on September 07, 2012, 17:56
WT points should determine length of bad

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabobank-manager-says-high-ranking-dopers-should-be-banned-longer (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabobank-manager-says-high-ranking-dopers-should-be-banned-longer)

Too complicated.

Here is how you do it.
Either lifetime bans for the first offenses, (that means you, Mr. David Anthony.)(http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/two-amateurs-test-positive-for-epo-at-gran-fondo-new-york-34711/ (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/two-amateurs-test-positive-for-epo-at-gran-fondo-new-york-34711/)) including jrs. amatuers top pros,
and start a breakaway league where the dopers can fuel to their hearts content. The guys who really want to rocket, hey bring it on.

I would not have an issue with that, I enjoyed Lance, Pantani, Boogard, Ullrich, Riis,the Basque Iban Mayo, the many other great Italians, Belgians and of course Tyler Hamilton, etc. etc..

Enjoy doped performances. Hey that is what cycling is about, these days. No more wimps and snivelers like Vaughters, Hamilton, Papp, Tygart, Landis,Kimmage, etc.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfkR0U2VnSs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfkR0U2VnSs)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on September 10, 2012, 19:53
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/talansky-on-vuelta-wiggins-and-calling-out-andy-jacques-maynes_238114/3 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/talansky-on-vuelta-wiggins-and-calling-out-andy-jacques-maynes_238114/3)

A lot of material here to work with...
Thought about even starting a new thread and it may necessary possibly.

It has been given a super hard time in the clinic understandably, but I really like it. If we consider that everything he says is true about the sport then what else would he be able to say but what he does say?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 10, 2012, 20:42
Betsy on tourchats

Neil Browne ‏@neilroad
It's up and posted - the Betsy Andreu interview on @TourChats. Also download on iTunes http://bit.ly/QDDc1k (http://bit.ly/QDDc1k)
Detaljer
1h Neil Browne ‏@neilroad
Stop what you're doing a watch! RT @TourChats: Podcast of show w/ Betsy Andreu is posted! http://bit.ly/QDDc1k (http://bit.ly/QDDc1k)  #thesecretrace
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Icebreaker on September 11, 2012, 04:12
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/talansky-on-vuelta-wiggins-and-calling-out-andy-jacques-maynes_238114/3 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/talansky-on-vuelta-wiggins-and-calling-out-andy-jacques-maynes_238114/3)

A lot of material here to work with...
Thought about even starting a new thread and it may necessary possibly.

It has been given a super hard time in the clinic understandably, but I really like it. If we consider that everything he says is true about the sport then what else would he be able to say but what he does say?

I have been a fan of the Garmin squad since the beginning, liked many of that team.

This little turd is turning me off Garmin, rapidly. 

He says we owe riders respect?  Really?  He doesn't think maybe they should have EARN it?

He also is the little sh$t that said Kimmage  "has no place in the sport of cycling and doesn't deserve to write about it". Really?  You think this disgusting little clown is worth following?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 11, 2012, 08:59
In Spanish not sure if in English etc

(http://www.biciciclismo.com/comun/imagenes/noticias/galeria55409-001.jpg)

Quote
More doping by old knows that by devil


A devil called doping
Verner Moller (Trad. Bernat López)
Culture Cycling *, 1998

Any question deserves to be subject to debate, although some issues have induced collective positioning that leaves no room for discussion. Doping is one of those subjects whose rejection allows some stakeholders agreed Obren unopposed on behalf of a laudable purpose muddied in the way to achieve it. Because only knowledge can develop a lucid opinion, Verner Moller (and Bernat López, whose translation, publishing and distribution has allowed the work reaches the reader Castilian) raise the debate evaded doping in cycling. "A devil called doping" reading becomes necessary in the days when the cyclist stops again present in a case of doping (no current) as the case Armstrong. Moller dismantles the arguments commonly used by current anti-doping and, based on a review of the history of cycling, made ​​their own arguments that allow you to conclude that "the main danger for the sport is all people of good will who seems not to understand that helpers have caught his arms in an embrace sport eventually suffocate suffocating ".


However, this value does not mean work as considered necessary sacred. Moller reopens the debate on the existence of doping in elite sport, says that this is a consequence of elite sport as it is designed, in contrast to the ethics of moral judgments squad dumped by institutions and media with each new case doping, review the specific actions of the Danish press in a specific case and analyzes the existential quest that incites doping. Although this professor Danish Sports Science addresses at face value, and even gets to play down the impact of doping on the health of athletes, both amateur and professional.

No doubt that a devil called doping plays discordant note in the concert sounds harmonious hegemonic doping during purging that is taking place in the cycling in the name of morality and health. It is not necessary to repeat its contents without question, nor is nod without thinking before speaking doping.

* Culture Cycling is a cycling specialist microeditorial. You can purchase his work in cultural ciclista.com

GT

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=55409 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=55409)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on September 11, 2012, 13:11
Pozzato out for three months for working with Ferrari.

Quote
the Inner Ring @inrng

 Pozzato gets a three month ban for working with Dr Ferrari, meaning he can return to racing on 19 September.

Seems it is backdated too, so he can start in 8 days. :fp

---

Edit: it gets better.

According to the Inner Ring, the ban was only three months because of paperwork. Namely Ferrari wasnt on the list of banned persons yet, therefore Pozzato gets this 'light' version of a ban.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 11, 2012, 14:14
http://www.coni.it/attivit%C3%A0-istituzionali/antidoping/18165-antidoping-il-tna-squalifica-per-3-mesi-il-ciclista-filippo-pozzato.html (http://www.coni.it/attivit%C3%A0-istituzionali/antidoping/18165-antidoping-il-tna-squalifica-per-3-mesi-il-ciclista-filippo-pozzato.html)

DOPING: The TNA disqualification for three months the rider Filippo Pozzato
Tuesday, September 11, 2012
The National Anti-Doping Tribunal, in the disciplinary proceedings against Filippo Pozzato, having regard to Articles. 17.7 and 19:13 of the Anti-Doping Rules of the Fund on 29 April 2005, and the same items of the same Regulations on December 22, 2005, as also Article 3.6 of the Anti-Doping Rules Sport of CONI on January 9, 2007, says responsibility of the athlete and deals 3 month ban, with effect from 19 June 2012 (date of notification) and deadline of September 18, 2012. It also condemns the athlete to pay the costs of the proceedings, calculated in 2000 Euros, and the economy penalty equal to 10 000 euro. Provides that the decision is communicated to, the prosecutor Doping, WADA, the UCI and FCI and company affiliation at the time.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 11, 2012, 15:27
(http://news.velonation.com/Men/Road/Pm_Pz/2012/original/Pozzato_Filippo_Roubaix12-1.jpg)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12842/Pozzato-gets-three-month-ban-and-10000-fine-for-working-with-Ferrari.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12842/Pozzato-gets-three-month-ban-and-10000-fine-for-working-with-Ferrari.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Lanced Armprong on September 11, 2012, 21:08
People think too much about how punishments should be dished out.

Dope and you get lifetime ban, END OF. Set a precendent and after the first few riders lose their entire career, it will serve as a warning to any considering doping. That  is the only way imho that you will begin to properly clean up the sport.

It'll never happen mind you, UCI is almost as corrupt as FIFA...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on September 11, 2012, 21:25
People think too much about how punishments should be dished out.

Dope and you get lifetime ban, END OF. Set a precendent and after the first few riders lose their entire career, it will serve as a warning to any considering doping. That  is the only way imho that you will begin to properly clean up the sport.

It'll never happen mind you, UCI is almost as corrupt as FIFA...

i agree time for lifetime bans. Athletes are taking the pish by letting themselves be the guinea pigs for sponsors. If they haven't go the sense not to dope, flip them, ban them for life.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on September 11, 2012, 22:00
The thing against lifetime bans are the like a contamination, sure there is the strict liability.. But a lifetime ban is too harsh for a first offense. But on the other hand, there is NO bigger deterrant to doping than strict punishments and extremely active controlling in competition and out of competition.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on September 11, 2012, 22:04
The thing against lifetime bans are the like a contamination, sure there is the strict liability.. But a lifetime ban is too harsh for a first offense. But on the other hand, there is NO bigger deterrant to doping than strict punishments and extremely active controlling in competition and out of competition.
They would be fully aware of the consequences and anyway..
That is the thing, cycling have to get out of the habit of this all together.
If cyclists know they can get away with it first time round then they what is the point?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Lanced Armprong on September 11, 2012, 22:08

If cyclists know they can get away with it first time round then they what is the point?

Exactly my point!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on September 11, 2012, 22:30
They would be fully aware of the consequences and anyway..
That is the thing, cycling have to get out of the habit of this all together.
If cyclists know they can get away with it first time round then they what is the point?

To many cyclists if not most getting caught is as bad as a life ban. If youy get caught you get spat on, your results are forever tainted, you get treated like a criminal,  you watch the likes of michael barry and phil ligget tell you they dont want your type in their sport,

. Some like Kohl just say - flip it, ill take the life ban anyway. None ever get their life back the way it was and for some like Pantani it ends worse than for others.

So the idea that cyclists dope thinking - meh if i get caught ill get an opportunity 2 years later, is imho very flawed as those 2 years are hell. The well known ones watch  their reputations dragged through the mud. The less well known ones will struggle to get onto a good team afterwards anyway.

Life bans would have little impact rather than create the utopian view that the sport is always clean as all the dopers always get thrown out therefore everyone in the sport is clean. 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Lanced Armprong on September 11, 2012, 22:34
To many cyclists if not most getting caught is as bad as a life ban. If youy get caught you get spat on, your results are forever tainted, you get treated like a criminal you get told you are cheating the people you dope with, you watch the likes of michael barry and phil ligget tell you they dont want your tyep in their sport,

. Some like Kohl just say - flip it, ill take the life ban anyway. None ever get their life back the way it was and for some like Pantani it ends worse than for others.

So the idea that cyclists dope thinking - meh if i get caught ill get an opportunity 2 years later, is imho very flawed as those 2 years are hell. The well known ones watch  their reputations dragged through the mud. The less well known ones will struggle to get onto a good team afterwards anyway.

Life bans would have little impact rather than create the utopian view that the sport is always clean as all the dopers always get thrown out therefore everyone in the sport is clean.

I disagree somewhat. You only have to look at how Contador is behaving/speaking and how a lot of riders/fans have welcomed him back with open arms to see that a small ban is not a deterrent.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on September 12, 2012, 05:35
I disagree somewhat. You only have to look at how Contador is behaving/speaking and how a lot of riders/fans have welcomed him back with open arms to see that a small ban is not a deterrent.

It was bizarre that Contador only received diminished results and a 6 month ban. He sure looks great on the bike though, and he raises the bar on competiton, I thought the Tour was boring without him, and the Vuelta was great with Contador.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 12, 2012, 06:37
Not sure where this fits

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/09/12/are-we-too-soft-on-cyclings-drug-cheats/ (http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/09/12/are-we-too-soft-on-cyclings-drug-cheats/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on September 12, 2012, 08:15
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/talansky-on-vuelta-wiggins-and-calling-out-andy-jacques-maynes_238114/3 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/talansky-on-vuelta-wiggins-and-calling-out-andy-jacques-maynes_238114/3)

Load of gobsh*te unfortunately. Too many contradictions there.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 13, 2012, 12:20
(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2009/12/04/1/000_par2428368_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/howman-welcomes-hgh-test-talks-hamilton-and-uci (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/howman-welcomes-hgh-test-talks-hamilton-and-uci)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 18, 2012, 18:11
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/raimondas-rumsas-carries-on-family-name-at-junior-world-championships (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/raimondas-rumsas-carries-on-family-name-at-junior-world-championships)

The teenager is the son of the man who finished third in the 2002 Tour de France and of the woman – Edita Rumsas – who was stopped at the Franco-Italian border that July with a car boot filled with 37 different medicines and empty syringes with traces of EPO.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on September 18, 2012, 20:52
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/raimondas-rumsas-carries-on-family-name-at-junior-world-championships (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/raimondas-rumsas-carries-on-family-name-at-junior-world-championships)

The teenager is the son of the man who finished third in the 2002 Tour de France and of the woman – Edita Rumsas – who was stopped at the Franco-Italian border that July with a car boot filled with 37 different medicines and empty syringes with traces of EPO.

Easy now ... didn't they tell you this was a new generation?  8)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 21, 2012, 02:18
Daniel Benson earning his pay on this one:

Verbruggen Won't Take Legal Action Against Hamilton
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbruggen-wont-take-legal-action-against-hamilton (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbruggen-wont-take-legal-action-against-hamilton)

Dutchman reacts angrily to questions on Armstrong testing  >:(

Some choice quotes here (and I think I'm going to get a lot of mileage out of this first one)
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"The problem is we can't find Landis,"  :win Verbruggen told Cyclingnews as he poured himself a glass of wine at a worlds presentation in Valkenburg.
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Asked if he had read [Rough Ride], which was published roughly at the same time his presidency began, Verbruggen said:
"No. No. I have no need to read that. Why should I? I'm not in cycling any more. I've never read it. I don't read very much. I'm sorry to say but there's no need.
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[Armstrong] has been controlled 500 times, maybe 200 times other than us."

The claim of 500 tests has never been officially proven but current UCI President Pat McQuaid recently publicised that Armstrong had been tested 215 times by the UCI. However when Cyclingnews pointed out that they weren't aware of how many times Armstrong had been tested or which body had tested him each time, Verbruggen added:

"You should. God dammit. You're here with your microphone embarrassing me with all types of questions. I'm mad at people like you.
Indeed, Hein. Indeed. Grrrrr!  ;D

Good job, Daniel.   :tu

Now that I think about it, I would love to hear the audio from that event.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on September 21, 2012, 03:52
All of his interviews where journalists aren't blowing his load, it's always the same.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on September 23, 2012, 08:46
Millar time!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19688373 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19688373)

Hopefully somebody will provide a transcript for those who can't access it.


 :win
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on September 23, 2012, 11:15
Millar time!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19688373 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19688373)

Hopefully somebody will provide a transcript for those who can't access it.

 :win

Strong, positive words from Millar there
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on September 23, 2012, 22:52
To many cyclists if not most getting caught is as bad as a life ban. If youy get caught you get spat on, your results are forever tainted, you get treated like a criminal,  you watch the likes of michael barry and phil ligget tell you they dont want your type in their sport,

. Some like Kohl just say - flip it, ill take the life ban anyway. None ever get their life back the way it was and for some like Pantani it ends worse than for others.

So the idea that cyclists dope thinking - meh if i get caught ill get an opportunity 2 years later, is imho very flawed as those 2 years are hell. The well known ones watch  their reputations dragged through the mud. The less well known ones will struggle to get onto a good team afterwards anyway.

Life bans would have little impact rather than create the utopian view that the sport is always clean as all the dopers always get thrown out therefore everyone in the sport is clean.

Millar, Contadro, Valverde, Boonen, Basso, Scarponi, Sella all have had bans and all are back to winning ways. FFS even Di Luca is back racing and that guy was caught 3 times. No I dont think that they are that scared of Bans, it hurts but hell if they manage the ban and are quiet they can get back and winning too.

I think if Landis accepted the ban said he was very sorry he would've gotten a ride again, maybe even with Garmin.

No lifebans can be a good thing, but it must be measured by the fact the anti-doping body is truly independent and transparent.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on September 26, 2012, 13:48
WADA announces the released of its Independent Observers' Report from the 2012 Olympics (http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World_Anti-Doping_Program/WADP-Independent-Observer/WADA-IO-Report-OG-London-2012.pdf) (PDF) fairly glowing at first glance.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on September 27, 2012, 18:12
Manuel Quinziato ‏@manuelquinziato
No japaneses (riders, staff neither antidoping commissaries) in the proTour race in China! Do we really accept that?!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on September 27, 2012, 18:33
Manuel Quinziato ‏@manuelquinziato
No japaneses (riders, staff neither antidoping commissaries) in the proTour race in China! Do we really accept that?!


Well they accept the UCI going after 1 journalist and not others.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on September 27, 2012, 18:42
The Chinese are not in any Japanese events now either.

Really, would any govt in the world just let a 'nationalisation' of a disputed island be?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on September 28, 2012, 18:07
Velverde down with a virus so wont be at II lombardia
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on October 01, 2012, 13:54
Put this one here for now unless it draws further discussion

New blood 'booster' tested in UK-led clinical trials (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19561158)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: python on October 01, 2012, 14:48
Put this one here for now unless it draws further discussion

New blood 'booster' tested in UK-led clinical trials (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19561158)
i addressed this product as no big deal on another forum.

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This is a relatively new substance in the well-known to wada class of doping products - hboc - haemoglobin-based oxygen carriers. The clinic’s old friend - hemopure - is an example. Wada labs are as familiar with hboc’s as tyler Hamilton was with edgar poe…

I am absolutely sure that developing a test, if it does not already exist, would not be a great challenge. The reason being that the chemistry of pegylation-delivered medicines is well understood and was successfully applied, for example, in developing the blood test for cera.

Another reason for my optimism is that haemoglobin substitutes molecules in general - and mp4ox does not seem an exception - are different in size from the native molecules when dissociated. This makes them easily detectable by several analytical techniques.

a professionally advised, sophisticated doper is not likely to use the crap.

in stead, they are likely to still use micro transfusions of own blood whilst keeping reticulocyctes from spiking by various altitude simulating protocols. as tyler told us, if for some reason glow time was overcooked, a speed bag of saline takes less than 15 minutes just BEFORE one submits to vampires. same old..
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on October 02, 2012, 11:00
Bayless v Derek Jeter

Derek Jeter Fires Back At Skip Bayless (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSdItdWdsE#ws)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 02, 2012, 11:11
Bayless v Derek Jeter

Derek Jeter Fires Back At Skip Bayless (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSdItdWdsE#ws)

Skip Bayless for UCI president   :win
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on October 02, 2012, 18:08
Skip Bayless for UCI president   :win

Bayless on Lance ...  ;D

Skip Bayless and Stephen A. talk about Lance Armstrong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kup2VGeuUtY#ws)

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 08, 2012, 09:55
Newstalk interview with Lemond

http://media.newstalk.ie/podcast/67851/popup (http://media.newstalk.ie/podcast/67851/popup)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on October 09, 2012, 19:40
AG2R rider Steve Houanard, who I have honestly never heard of before today, tested positive for EPO in an out-of-competition test on the 21st of September.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/houanard-provisionally-suspended-for-epo (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/houanard-provisionally-suspended-for-epo)

I wonder if he'll even bother with the B sample.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 09, 2012, 19:44
AG2R rider Steve Houanard, who I have honestly never heard of before today, tested positive for EPO in an out-of-competition test on the 21st of September.
Considering how obscure this is, I have to wonder if he was targeted due his bio-passport or something. But somehow I doubt that EPO is only being used by those in the lower ranks.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on October 09, 2012, 22:30
I've heard of him, but only as being on the AG2R roster. I can remember things like that.
Couldn't name even a single result, or what kind of rider he is.

Little fish and all that, I suppose...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 18, 2012, 13:04
I saved this image under burn it down


 :D

(http://i.imgur.com/8cRRk.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on October 20, 2012, 13:20
Christophe Bassons banned for 12 months :S
http://t.co/QesGrLkH (http://t.co/QesGrLkH)

and more info on the ban from the @inrng
http://inrng.com/2012/10/christophe-bassons-given-one-year-doping-ban/ (http://inrng.com/2012/10/christophe-bassons-given-one-year-doping-ban/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on October 20, 2012, 14:16
Bassons getting banned is the absolute height of irony and not in a good way  :(  However, although it is harsh, it is fair, and he has been given a 50% reduction - the most that they can reduce it by...silver lining and all that.  Doesn't he now work for the French sports ministry with youngsters warning them about the dangers of PED's?

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Richard Moore ‏@richardmoore73
@inrng That rules Bassons out of becoming a DS with Team Sky, then.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on October 20, 2012, 21:20
An individual criticizes Millar, and my rebuttal:

It is not Millars' fault, the system has been promoting doping for years, before Coppi.It amuses me when anti doping individuals site Oxygen vector enhancers as the begining of doping in cycling , as if doping never happened before.
If that was the case, as soon as EPO was recognized as an enhancer why were anyone in cycling rumored to use EPO, HGH,Calves blood, roids, testesterone, etc. not banned on the spot.
Rabo is right to leave the sport, I hope all the other sponsors pull out to and cycling is banned from the Olympics, at that point people will be made aware of the problem in doping in cycling. Funny thing is cycling is one of the cleanest pro sports, go figure.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on October 21, 2012, 06:26
An individual criticizes Millar, and my rebuttal:

It is not Millars' fault, the system has been promoting doping for years, before Coppi.It amuses me when anti doping individuals site Oxygen vector enhancers as the begining of doping in cycling , as if doping never happened before.
If that was the case, as soon as EPO was recognized as an enhancer why were anyone in cycling rumored to use EPO, HGH,Calves blood, roids, testesterone, etc. not banned on the spot.
Rabo is right to leave the sport, I hope all the other sponsors pull out to and cycling is banned from the Olympics, at that point people will be made aware of the problem in doping in cycling. Funny thing is cycling is one of the cleanest pro sports, go figure.


Indurain documentary, featuring Pedro Delgado, Abraham Olano, Maniolo Saiz, Pantani, Tony Rominger, Chiappuchi, Once, Kelme, Festina, etc., the pure era.

MIGUEL INDURAIN, PROTAGONISTA A LA FUERZA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS_TEzpI40s#)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on October 21, 2012, 06:44

Indurain documentary, featuring Pedro Delgado, Abraham Olano, Maniolo Saiz, Pantani, Tony Rominger, Chiappuchi, Once, Kelme, Festina, etc., the pure era.

MIGUEL INDURAIN, PROTAGONISTA A LA FUERZA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS_TEzpI40s#)

Manolo Saiz, Albertos' preferred manager. Interview.

MANOLO SAIZ EN MANU A MANU 1/8 DE BILBOVISION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D48gQDq00ik#)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 23, 2012, 15:56
Good Blog by Robert Millar

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/robert-millar/the-bare-minimum (http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/robert-millar/the-bare-minimum)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: nvpacchi on October 23, 2012, 17:27
Good Blog by Robert Millar

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/robert-millar/the-bare-minimum (http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/robert-millar/the-bare-minimum)

That was a good read.

Millar was before my time, but was he vocal about doping at all during his days?  Did he sort of fizzle out at the end of his career like Hampsten and Lemond when EPO started becoming prominent and cumpolsory?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 23, 2012, 18:34
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/independent-anti-doping-commission-needed-for-cycling-says-aigcp (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/independent-anti-doping-commission-needed-for-cycling-says-aigcp)


Nice pressure from the teams

Now we need the riders to say the same
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 24, 2012, 13:56
shane stokes interview

http://crankpunk.com/2012/10/23/334/ (http://crankpunk.com/2012/10/23/334/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on October 24, 2012, 17:11
Kiwi is right. Millar was so reticent he made Kevin Pauwels seem like an ideal host for the Oscars ceremony.

Couldn't help but love the miserable bastard though. He was awesome.  ;D

I remember raising an eyebrow even as a youth when I read that he had signed with TVM. I still don't know what Priem expected him to do there.

I think there was a sense even in 1992 that he wasn't really competitive - but he didn't seem to want to dom for Lemond. That's why I think EPO bit harder and earlier than he talks about in that article. Certainly Chiapucci and Bugno and the darlings of the early 90s eclipsed anything he was doing in the mountains.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on October 24, 2012, 20:05
Kiwi is right. Millar was so reticent he made Kevin Pauwels seem like an ideal host for the Oscars ceremony.

That right there is humour. :tu

Sorry for off-topic, but it had to be said.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on October 26, 2012, 01:20
Didnt know where to put this but this video from Perreiro is very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WgTQCdgKkZw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WgTQCdgKkZw)

He is talking about doping in football - for which i 100% applaud him because all those football journalists pick on cycling.

But the relevant bit for cycling fans is 2.20 in.

Pereiro basically says - "...due to the testimonies of 2 american riders, Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis, who tested positive in umm 2004 and 2005, or maybe 2006"

So Pereiro doesnt know the year Landis tested positive in? I recall that positive had a little bit of an impact on his life. God knows if he is playing dumb or really has no memory.
Strange also because usually he seems quite lucid.

He also seems to have quite a good knowledge of the case as he explains in detail how Landis and Tyler were rejected by lance when they wanted to come back and that this was a reason for the whole thing starting.

Most other cyclists just said  that he is a hero or that its a shame or that they hate lance.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2012, 09:56
some positive news

http://www.tnr.com/article/109212/cyclings-secret-it-may-be-the-worlds-cleanest-sport# (http://www.tnr.com/article/109212/cyclings-secret-it-may-be-the-worlds-cleanest-sport#)

Cycling's Secret: It May Be the World's Cleanest Sport


Bill Gifford
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 30, 2012, 20:36
Confirming the addition of several new teams as members, the MPCC (Movement for a Credible Cycling) has called on teams, WADA, the UCI and the race organisers to step up the anti-doping fight by reinforcing its existing regulations and also implementing new measures.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13183/MPCC-calls-on-tougher-anti-doping-stance-from-several-stakeholders-in-cycling.aspx#ixzz2AohIQSgo (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13183/MPCC-calls-on-tougher-anti-doping-stance-from-several-stakeholders-in-cycling.aspx#ixzz2AohIQSgo)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 30, 2012, 20:37

AMERICAN CYCLING MUST LEAD THE FIGHT AGAINST DOPING
Is the Sport’s Leadership up to the Task?

By David Chauner

The recent revelations about the systemic doping by Lance Armstrong and his US Postal Service squad tell an ugly truth: American champions and an American team led the world in an unseemly practice that was traditionally linked to dirty, low class European cycling subculture. This is a threat to American cycling’s credibility that must be faced swiftly and decisively.

The first few who broke the ironclad Omerta code were branded as liars and misfits, not only by fans who refused to believe their deception, but also by people in the UCI and USAC who govern cycling. As the ripple of truth became a tsunami, Armstrong’s denials began to appear as bizarre as the doping system he fostered. The discredited admissions by Landis, Hamilton and others suddenly gained credibility.

Fortunately, USADA relentlessly and thoroughly pursued the truth despite the cries of “witchhunt” by those who failed to see, or wanted to hide, the deception. Strong anti-doping advocates and investors in the sport like Americans Bob Stapleton and Doug Ellis stepped in to finance Tour de France teams that raced clean and won races. Their teams, High Road and Slipstream Sports, attracted top riders who no longer wanted to be part of the doping culture. The doctors, trainers and team directors who orchestrated doping practices are finally being identified, disgraced and drummed out of the sport. And the new young American superstars like Taylor Phinney and TJ Van Garderen are now brought up in the sport by mentors who help them perform clean. Gone are the days when the only road to the top was littered with needles, pills and blood bags.

Progress is being made... but are those days truly gone?

In the U.S., cycling insiders were shocked as recently as 2010 when an average pro, Joe Papp, admitted to supplying EPO to some two hundred clients, including amateurs, lesser pros and even age category masters who sought to improve results in local, national and international races held across the U.S. Most have never been caught, in part because of the common knowledge that drug testing by the U.S. Anti-doping Agency (USADA) is costly, not subsidized through USAC sanction fees and beyond the budgets of most race organizers.

Rumors are rife, but unproved, that some foreign riders have come to race here and have joined American teams because testing is sporadic and there is now enough cash in prize lists and team contracts to make a decent, albeit modest, living. Putting aside the new moral outrage against doping, there are still those who ignore the ethical issue in favor of a bigger prize check. As Jonathan Vaughters, director of the Garmin pro team, said in a recent New York Times article “...the rules must be enforced, and the painful effort to make that happen must be unending and ruthless”.

For many who closely follow cycling, USAC is perceived as being too closely aligned with the UCI. The controversial world governing body has come under intense scrutiny and is accused of being weak, late and indecisive in the fight against doping, sometimes turning a deaf ear in the face of overwhelming evidence. And, according to ongoing accusations, the UCI has even been complicit in covering up positive drug tests. Implicated by association and its own failure to take decisive action, USAC must now
set itself apart from the UCI by asserting world leadership in restoring a clean, level playing field to competitive cycling.

According to USAC’s CEO, Steve Johnson, the organization is committed to a clean sport but admitted: “USAC sanctions three thousand races every year. Testing at events is costly and relies primarily on USADA’s ability to conduct random tests.” He also said that USAC was open to considering all options to fight the problem. Most of USAC’s membership would agree that it is time for swift, decisive action.

A review of USAC’s annual report and budget from 2011 shows that the organization had 70,829 members and generated $11,763,000 in total revenue through license fees, team affiliations, event sanction fees, grants, donations and corporate sponsorships. Nowhere in the annual report or financial statements was there reference to a policy against doping or any line item in the budget indicating that the organization was spending any money to investigate or combat the problem, despite the fact that 2011 was a year after Joe Papp’s revelations and admissions by Floyd Landis and others that doping had reached epidemic proportions.

A lack of serious commitment, indecisive and slow action on the national level by USAC has spawned local efforts to fight doping by stakeholders who have a vested interest in keeping the sport clean. Race promoters and teams who depend upon public support and corporate sponsorship are organizing grass roots anti-doping efforts and raising funds to pay for guaranteed testing by USADA. One such effort was launched by Florida Clean Ride, a non-profit organization “designed to facilitate USADA testing at Florida road cycling events and ensure fair competition at the local amateur level.” According to their director, Jared Zimlin, there was enough suspicion of doping in local events to take action. Through donations from clubs, teams and sponsors they raised $17,000 and secured USADA testing at seven Florida events this year. Zimlin is now confident that cheaters are being driven away.

USADA’s Sport Testing & Resources Director, Andrew Morrison, says that the cost of testing all 37 of USAC’s national calendar road events, up to sixty additional sanctioned races around the country and a stronger promotion of anti-drug education would cost approximately $6,000 per event or roughly $600,000 per year. This may seem a lot for USA Cycling, an organization with an annual budget of only $12 million. But is 5% of total annual expenditures not a wise investment to help ensure that sponsors remain committed to cycling, support its membership cry for committed action against doping and offer a clean path for young athletes to follow their dreams? In light of the current credibility crisis, an investment in clean cycling should be an even bigger percentage of USAC’s annual budget.

USAC owes this to its membership and to the public. Its leadership must prioritize ways to reallocate budget and raise new funds specifically earmarked for a strong, independent, anti-doping program.

When there was a need to improve international racing results, USAC recruited Thom Weisel, the wealthy patrone behind the rise of Armstrong’s US Postal Service team, to raise money for USA Cycling’s National Development Program whose aim is “to provide promising young athletes with the tools they need to excel at the highest levels of professional cycling.” Millions of dollars flooded in from Weisel’s high profile “Champion’s Club” and smaller donors across the country. Few will deny that our top pros obtained the tools they needed to win at the highest levels. Unfortunately, we now know those “tools” included EPO, steroids, hormones and blood transfusions.

Now USAC needs to drive the same effort to banish the illegal tools and “provide promising young athletes with the assurance that they can excel at the highest levels of professional cycling without the need for artificial performance enhancements.”
Why not recruit some of the well-connected Champion’s Club members of USAC’s Development Foundation to lead an independent “Clean Cycling Commission”? Charge this Commission with raising at least $1 million annually to ensure USADA testing and education at most key American events.

The Clean Cycling Commission could solicit and publish contributions and corporate donations from companies that have a vested interest in ensuring that competitive cycling is a clean sport? Companies like Nike, Trek, Oakley, Bell, Giro, SRAM and others have denounced dopers they sponsored but still express commitment to cycling because of the broad customer base the sport provides them.

And what about the top cyclists who have come clean and now say they want to help clean up the sport? Perhaps they should use some of the money they made fraudulently to help fund the Clean Cycling Commission, an important goal of which will be to save young riders from facing the agonizing choice that led them to the dark side.

Given that American riders and an American team have been leaders in conducting one of the most egregious doping programs in the history of cycling, it is imperative that USAC prioritizes and helps fund a tough, independent program that turns the tables from being perceived as lax on anti-doping measures to leading strong reform.

David Chauner is a former Olympic Cyclist and cycling event organizer who has produced over 200 international bicycle races in the U.S. since he co-founded the U.S. Professional Road Championship in 1985 in Philadelphia. He is a member of the U.S. Bicycling Hall of Fame and has written articles on cycling for numerous cycling publications, the New York Times and Sports Illustrated.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13184/Head-of-American-Cycling-Group-calls-for-American-cycling-to-lead-the-anti-doping-fight.aspx#ixzz2AohbLgJy (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13184/Head-of-American-Cycling-Group-calls-for-American-cycling-to-lead-the-anti-doping-fight.aspx#ixzz2AohbLgJy)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 31, 2012, 12:17
Quote
Valverde conducted the interview with Marca a number of weeks ago, before he went on honeymoon and before the release of the USADA dossier on Lance Armstrong. However, a story published by Marca two weeks ago, following the release of the USADA dossier, appeared to indicate that Valverde had spoken more recently when he said of Armstrong’s Tour victories: “He won those Tours with his legs, with his body, and nobody should believe that he didn’t suffer. For me, those Tours are his. I don’t understand why we are looking back.”

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Those comments subsequently received a lot of flak, perhaps unfairly given the timing of their release. However, Valverde underlined that looking back is not something he is keen to do when asked about his links with Eufemiano Fuentes, the doctor at the centre of the Puerto affair. “Eufemiano was part of the technical staff on my previous [Kelme] team. He was there. I was there, but I don’t want go back into that,” he said.

Then asked if he had ridden clean throughout his career, Valverde replied: “My conscience is clear. I won and I have kept on winning. Each person can think what they want.”


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-my-conscience-is-clear (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-my-conscience-is-clear)

your conscience maybe clear but you did not answer the question
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on October 31, 2012, 13:08
your conscience maybe clear but you did not answer the question

News just in: Alejandro Valverde running for political office  ;D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on October 31, 2012, 13:45
Valverde and Contador are both utterly shameless and disgusting in their interviews this week.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 31, 2012, 14:07
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-if-lance-is-guilty-then-it-stands-to-reason-he-loses-his-tours (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-if-lance-is-guilty-then-it-stands-to-reason-he-loses-his-tours)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on November 01, 2012, 11:25
Moto2 rider West caught on doping.

http://www.gpupdate.net/nl/motogp-nieuws/286518/moto2-rijder-west-betrapt-op-doping/ (http://www.gpupdate.net/nl/motogp-nieuws/286518/moto2-rijder-west-betrapt-op-doping/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on November 01, 2012, 11:31
so, he'll lose the points he gained in that race and will be banned for one month (=one race as the season is nearly over anyway)?!   ??? ...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 02, 2012, 10:33

Clean competition pledge for Australian Olympians?

Athletes and officials could be required to sign declaration under oath




If passed by the AOC executive board at its scheduled meeting in Melbourne this month, it would mean that all athletes, coaches and other officials would have to sign the declaration under oath. In it, they would be required to vow that they have no current or previous link with doping. Those who refuse to sign would be unable to go to the Games.

It is understood that under the proposal, those who give a declaration under oath could face imprisonment and/or large fines if it is shown that they have lied.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13198/Clean-competition-pledge-for-Australian-Olympians.aspx#ixzz2B3n0BAHc (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13198/Clean-competition-pledge-for-Australian-Olympians.aspx#ixzz2B3n0BAHc)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on November 02, 2012, 13:35
Valverde and Contador are both utterly shameless and disgusting in their interviews this week.

Q: How do you know Valverde and Contador are lying?

A: Their lips are moving.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on November 02, 2012, 13:55
(http://i.imgur.com/Wv03O.jpg)

which lips? :-X
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on November 02, 2012, 14:08
ew
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on November 02, 2012, 20:53
Sorry I Doped: A confessional template

http://sorryidoped.com (http://sorryidoped.com)

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A handy cycling doping confession generator
Damn, someone beat me to it.  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on November 05, 2012, 03:24
I wonder if Tygart even payed attention to this when he watched the World Series?

http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Rule-Full-playoff-share-to-Melky-Cabrera-4006463.php (http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Rule-Full-playoff-share-to-Melky-Cabrera-4006463.php)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 06, 2012, 11:19
Former US Postal rider and teammate of Lance Armstrong, David George has been provisionally suspended after returning an adverse analytical finding for EPO in an out-of-competition test conducted by the South African Institute for Drug-Free Sport.


 :fp

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-armstrong-teammate-george-fails-epo-test (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-armstrong-teammate-george-fails-epo-test)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 06, 2012, 13:43
"@SkyOrla: Startling comparison here - just 21 out-of-competition blood tests in tennis in 2011, compared with 3,314 in cycling http://t.co/iU3Mnnjj"

"Roger Federer calls for increased blood testing - Roger Federer wants more blood testing done in tennis to help keep the sport clear of doping, the 17-times grand slam champion said on the eve of the ATP World Tour Finals.
Britain's newly-crowned U.S. Open champion Andy Murray raised the subject this week at the Paris Masters, suggesting there needed to be more out-of-competition checks.
World Tour Finals title holder Federer said his Scottish rival had a point."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 06, 2012, 18:01
I'm deleting the Rabo app from my phone :-(
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 06, 2012, 21:12
"@cyclecollective: Garate: Riders should police themselves: Rabobank veteran believes internal vigilance can help fight doping http://t.co/19SzEk5P"

"Rabobank veteran believes internal vigilance can help fight doping
Spanish rider Juan Manuel Garate (Rabobank) believes riders should watch for any signs of rule-breaking - i.e. doping - by their colleagues within a team rather than leave the UCI or WADA to enforce anti-doping legislation. Garate believes self-regulation can help eradicate doping.
“If a team is united, then senior riders can have a role to play in ensuring a team races correctly. Working together we can do that, and watch out for signs that things may not be going in the right direction,” the 36-year-old from the Basque Country told Cyclingnews."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 08:39
"@ukantidoping: Another reminder for athletes to check supplements after Australian boxer tests positive for MHA http://t.co/NoX2rJ45 @anti_doping"

#Female #ChickBoxing

"The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) today acknowledged the decision of Boxing Australia to impose a six-month sporting ban on Kylie Fulmer for the presence and use of methylhexaneamine."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 19:26
This dude caught my eye on Twitter, his bio reads "Independent advice in data analysis, forensics and doping issues but not 24/7" www.chemometry.com "Our proven expertise ranges from pharmaceutical and chemical through forensics to anti-doping research. N.B. The latter area constitutes our main focus now." He was doing some hard core digging at Vaughters and Daniel Benson.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 19:27
Oops - his handle @KFaber100 - might be worth a looksee.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 19:31
He was tweeting David Walsh too: “@kfaber100: @DavidWalshST Your book is a hit, but WADA knew who rode with #EPO in 1999: http://t.co/u4L4j4hZ Call it an inverse Vrijman.”

"The blood trail of cycling
Not all lab values suffice for doping bans. But they show the extent of the fraud.
August 5, 2007, 02:10
By Remo Geisser
How sick is cycling? What has been speculated for weeks can be determined quite accurately. The anti-doping laboratory in Lausanne studies blood values of pro-riders on behalf of the International Cycling Union UCI since 1996. The resulting data sets are huge because since 1997, blood samples are taken from various participants in all the major tours. Officially, these are health tests, but in truth, it was intended from the beginning to exclude athletes with conspicuous blood values from racing. This is called a protective ban because the values do not suffice to speak of doping. Such bans are rare today - the athletes and their backers have learned to dope to the limits.
What information is provided by blood values
But the doping analysts know far more than they can say out loud. They noticed that even supposedly clean pro-riders often have other blood values than normal people."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 09, 2012, 03:52
"@BikePure: I guess we don't fit in with 'black tie functions'. No invite to the Australian Cycling Awards tonight. #supportcleancycling?? #bikepure"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 09, 2012, 11:52
I like how bitchy he/she/it is :-) “@cyclopathy: All those ex pros who confess to doping, becoming "heroes and saints" could also return their prize money please? #hypocrisy #corruption”
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 09, 2012, 13:04
"@thetennisspace: Pat Cash believes tennis "is the perfect sport to take performance-enhancing drugs". Interview coming soon..."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 09, 2012, 18:28
A half-baked story is emerging that current Katusha and former Leopard DS Torsten Schmidt doped with Mouton while riding at Chicky World in 2000 and introduced Kjaergaard to him.

Norway authorities badly handled the information and the press got a hold of it, but it seems the tip probably came from Holestol or Kjaergaard. The man himself absolutely won't talk, but he has not denied the Mouton connection either.

http://www.procycling.no/article3509724.ece (http://www.procycling.no/article3509724.ece)

http://www.vg.no/sport/sykkel/artikkel.php?artid=10055639 (http://www.vg.no/sport/sykkel/artikkel.php?artid=10055639)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 09, 2012, 18:57
"@BikePure: I guess we don't fit in with 'black tie functions'. No invite to the Australian Cycling Awards tonight. #supportcleancycling?? #bikepure"

Maybe I should start a website a sell some pink titti wristbands ( barrus what you think  ;D ) and complain when not invited.

Meh
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: esafosfina on November 09, 2012, 19:30
"Mea Culpa" if this has been posted before... worth a read regardless.
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/cnt/DMF20121109_00363041?fb_action_ids=3880994578852&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%223880994578852%22%3A288351971283137%7D&action_type_map=%7B%223880994578852%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D (http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/cnt/DMF20121109_00363041?fb_action_ids=3880994578852&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%223880994578852%22%3A288351971283137%7D&action_type_map=%7B%223880994578852%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D)

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on November 10, 2012, 17:06
Spain cutting its athletics anti doping budget by 50%
http://www.as.com/mas-deporte/articulo/odriozola-propone-gastar-mitad-antidopaje/20121110dasdaimas_1/Tes (http://www.as.com/mas-deporte/articulo/odriozola-propone-gastar-mitad-antidopaje/20121110dasdaimas_1/Tes)

The 10e they save will certainly help
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 12, 2012, 09:51
Matti Helminen of Landbouwkrediet-Euphony has been suspended two years for a positive doping control for EPO. The Finn has denied doping and appealed the decision.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/helminen-banned-two-years-for-epo (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/helminen-banned-two-years-for-epo)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on November 12, 2012, 10:20
Don't dope if you are a minnow. You absolutely will get caught.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 12, 2012, 16:15
"@kfaber100: @Vaughters Did I block you on Twitter because you doped and kept all the prizes? No, I'm not an idiot. People like you come and go."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 12, 2012, 19:29
Matti Helminen of Landbouwkrediet-Euphony has been suspended two years for a positive doping control for EPO. The Finn has denied doping and appealed the decision.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/helminen-banned-two-years-for-epo (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/helminen-banned-two-years-for-epo)


Helminen claims innocence and says he was "the victim of food poisoning" (Press)

put that on the list of stupid excuses  :fp


The Finn Mattin Helminen (Landbouwkrediet) has been banned for two years by the Federation of Belgium until August 2014, finding banned substances EPO and corticosteroids


http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=57116 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=57116)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 13, 2012, 05:21
“@KevinMcCallum: RT @Namcycling: RT @Tehaspe: Novak Djokovic as undefeated WTF champion wins $1.76 million in prize money. ITF anti-doping budget is $1.6m"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 13, 2012, 16:43
Wasn't sure where to put this - "@DanielCoyle: Big news! The Secret Race nominated for GoodReads Choice Awards Book of the Year. You can go vote for it here: http://t.co/f9WfqWSv"

http://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-nonfiction-books-2012#74604-Best-Nonfiction
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 13, 2012, 19:24
"@Bosswerty: RT @CyclingViews: AP Interview: Tennis federation may follow cycling's lead with blood-testing ... - Fox News http://t.co/rulaqdS4"

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/11/13/ap-interview-tennis-federation-may-follow-cycling-lead-with-blood-testing/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on November 15, 2012, 18:32
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hour-energy-drinks-cited-13-deaths/story?id=17725137#.UKU0gktTIXg (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hour-energy-drinks-cited-13-deaths/story?id=17725137#.UKU0gktTIXg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/frankie-andreu-responds-to-armstrongs-ban (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/frankie-andreu-responds-to-armstrongs-ban)

Funny, with the concern against the harm with doping that Betsy would allow Frankie to be involved with 5 hour energy.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 16, 2012, 08:34
"@bambula: Anti Doping Danmark is considering going the USADA way, ie calling in witnesses. End game for Riis? (in Danish) http://t.co/iMtXK9Sn"

Hmmm, this could get interesting.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 16, 2012, 08:36
In all seriousness, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for blood testing ... A few years ago when the tennis federations wanted to introduce random testing, all of the men's top pro's went on strike and refused to play ...  :fp :fp

Thanks for this - seriously? Buttholes!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on November 16, 2012, 22:34
San Jose: Supplement company admits in federal court to mislabeling synthetic steroids

http://www.mercurynews.com/health/ci_22006480/san-jose-supplement-company-admits-federal-court-mislabeling (http://www.mercurynews.com/health/ci_22006480/san-jose-supplement-company-admits-federal-court-mislabeling)

Quote
According to a DOJ release, "Myogenix knowingly labeled Spawn in a manner that was intended to deceive consumers and the FDA, in that it was labeled as a dietary supplement when in fact Spawn was a synthetic steroid."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 19, 2012, 05:22
"@TourDeJose: New draft of WADA code (from 2015, if implemented) calls for longer suspensions: 4 years (Olympic period) http://t.co/ht8gGDiv"

http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/18/wada-doubling-doping-bans?cat=sport&type=article

"As a result of the new proposal, which would double the maximum penalty for a series of offences including trafficking and use of masking agents, discussions about including a version of the IOC's so-called Osaka rule – which banned any athlete suspended for more than six months from the Games that followed – were dropped. If four-year bans are enforced, it would ban cheats from the Olympics that followed in any case. "It is clear from the number of submissions we received, that there is a strong desire in the world of sport, from governments and within the anti-doping community, to strengthen the sanction articles in the Code," said the Wada president, John Fahey. "This second draft has done that, doubling the length of suspension for serious offenders and widening the scope for anti-doping organisations to impose lifetime bans."
In the wake of Merritt's case, the British Olympic Association fought a losing battle to maintain its lifetime ban for drug cheats. Its new chairman, Lord Coe, said this month he would continue to fight for stronger sanctions."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 19, 2012, 13:18
"@Cyclingnewdaily: 'Senior cycling figure' accused of doping - ABC Online http://t.co/nF0mr5wm"

"Controversial Australian former cyclist Martin Vinnicombe claims a current high-level figure in the sport once helped him with a doping injection."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/27senior-cycling-figure27-accused-of-doping/4380686?section=sport
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 20, 2012, 08:26
"@roadcc: Ex-head of France's AFLD wants inquiry into those who protected Lance Armstrong - including former President Sarkozy: http://t.co/RNSDN0I8"

"Pierre Bordry, former head of the French national doping agency, the AFLD, says that then President of France, Nicolas Sarkozy, forced him out of his post in 2010 at the request of Lance Armstrong. Speaking to French news magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, Bordry is now calling for a parliamentary inquiry into the politicians, doctors, businessmen and sport officials whom he says protected Armstrong.

Armstrong himself greeted news of Bordry’s departure from the agency in September 2010 with a three-word message on Twitter that read “Au Revoir Pierre.”"

http://road.cc/content/news/70791-former-head-french-anti-doping-agency-calls-inquiry-protection-given-lance
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 22, 2012, 04:04
"@CyclingViews: Cycling Australia encourage Vinnicombe to cooperate with ASADA - http://t.co/5IcVJIGv http://t.co/ZPsvHzpz"

http://m.cyclingnews.com/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 22, 2012, 20:02
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/janiszewski-banned-for-one-race-for-doping (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/janiszewski-banned-for-one-race-for-doping)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 24, 2012, 07:46
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13351/No-charges-for-Europcar-team-after-OCLAESP-investigation-proves-fruitless.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13351/No-charges-for-Europcar-team-after-OCLAESP-investigation-proves-fruitless.aspx)

Move along nothing to see here

Clearly with all the tendon issues they need a new bike fit guy ::)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 24, 2012, 07:56
http://theage.com.au/sport/cycling/believe-me-im-clean-gerrans-20121123-29yyb.html (http://theage.com.au/sport/cycling/believe-me-im-clean-gerrans-20121123-29yyb.html)

Gerro speaks

Ps welcome to VR againsttheclock.  :tu
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on November 24, 2012, 09:14
ok.  Officially impressed with Gerrans.  I always liked him, but I am extra happy to read that.

 :tu
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Arb on November 24, 2012, 09:15
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13351/No-charges-for-Europcar-team-after-OCLAESP-investigation-proves-fruitless.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13351/No-charges-for-Europcar-team-after-OCLAESP-investigation-proves-fruitless.aspx)

Move along nothing to see here

Clearly with all the tendon issues they need a new bike fit guy ::)

OCLAESP are a joke. They announce these investigations then quietly back away from them.

Not to say they are being dodgy, but if you're going to tell the world you should have some sort of a case.

With the 2009 medical waste they were our best hope, until Floyd.

http://theage.com.au/sport/cycling/believe-me-im-clean-gerrans-20121123-29yyb.html (http://theage.com.au/sport/cycling/believe-me-im-clean-gerrans-20121123-29yyb.html)

Gerro speaks

Ps welcome to VR againsttheclock.  :tu

His neighbour taught him well  :-[
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Slow Rider on November 24, 2012, 10:41
Google translate of a piece by the Volkskrant on Betsy Andreu:

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Without Betsy Andreu Lance Armstrong would never have been exposed as the biggest fraud in the history of the sport. The Volkskrant spoke with her​​.

Betsy Andreu (46) was the nail in the coffin of American cycling hero. "I have paid a high price, but I never became his victim," she says in an interview that Saturday to read in the newspaper.
 
Andreu, wife of former Armstrong teammate Frankie Andreu, in 1996 witnessed a conversation in which Armstrong known to have used various types of doping. "I thought: o .. my ... God. 'She had later testify. "If you were to ask me whether I prefer not Lance Armstrong had known, I would say yes."

bully
In her eyes, the fallen cyclist Armstrong a chameleon. Andreu: "He shows what he wants you to see. If he wants to intimidate, he is the bully. If he wants you to believe his lies, he is as charming as anyone can be. "And: "Lance is not a good person that makes bad choices. He is the devil in person. "

obsession
On the question of Times Reporter Marije Rand District or Armstrong has become an obsession for her, she replies: "I'm obsessed, no doubt. But I'm not obsessed with Lance Armstrong overthrow. I'm obsessed to clear my name. This is my fight. He has my name dragged through the mud. But the worse it got, the more I felt firmer. Really, so you're looking for a fight with me, Lance? Well, that you can get. "

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Sport/article/detail/3352826/2012/11/23/Armstrong-is-de-duivel-in-hoogst-eigen-persoon.dhtml (http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Sport/article/detail/3352826/2012/11/23/Armstrong-is-de-duivel-in-hoogst-eigen-persoon.dhtml)

Full version is in the paper version of the volkskrant, pretty interesting read. No new information I think, she just talks about everything that happened to her and her husband. There's no online transcript of the full version though and it's way too long to type up and translate, so I'm afraid you'll have to do with this short version ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 26, 2012, 01:37
"@CyclingNewsInfo: Contador says cycling needs to introduce "zero tolerance" for dope cheats http://t.co/e9gTlQ2F"

http://www.cycling-news.info/road-cycling-news/Contador-says-cycling-needs-to-introduce-zero-tolerance-for-dope-cheats/10389
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 26, 2012, 03:07
... and free steak for everyone!!!  ::)

I do love me a tasty rump.. :-D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on November 26, 2012, 20:49
Tyler Hamiolton The secret race weinner of the WIlliam hill sports book of the year awawrd.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 28, 2012, 12:21
Quote
Full statement from Exergy Development Group (November 27, 2012)

Over the last four years, Exergy Development Group has become one of the largest contributors of sponsorships in North American cycling, and the company remains committed to the sport. Exergy Development Group has been the title sponsor of the men’s professional cycling team, Team Exergy, since 2009, and recently announced its return for a fourth season. However, circumstances have persisted since the announcement which continues to erode the stature of men’s professional cycling. Exergy Development Group shall not return to this level of sponsorship in 2013.

Exergy Development Group has patiently awaited substantial changes between the time that the sponsorship was announced and the present, yet the industry has failed to fully grasp the gravity of the taint of scandal and deceit. The company cannot condone half measures to alleviate the severity of the problem, and requires a dramatic transformation to guarantee those who ride clean are allowed to excel at their profession and bring pride back to the sport.

James Carkulis, CEO of Exergy Development Group states, “I am totally disheartened to have to place our sponsor dollars for our disciplined men’s team on hiatus for the 2013 season, but there is no choice given the corruption prevalent within the sport. The magnitude of this situation should not be taken lightly and ignoring the severity is not going to rebuild the public’s trust in the sport. This has not been an easy decision, but one shared by our team management. In cooperation with management, we will ensure that each rider is placed and provided for. Exergy will not sit idly by, but intends to offer up rational solutions over the next month which regenerates the greatness of this perfect synthesis between man and machine.”

Exergy Development Group shall continue to invest in the future of men’s professional cycling when the funding will be met by a degree of sincerity and determination to reconstruct the sport. Exergy Development Group shall reevaluate each of our other major men’s race sponsor commitments and support those which insist on fundamental change. Exergy shall continue to support women’s and junior cycling through the professional women’s cycling team, ExergyTWENTY16, and expand opportunities for women to excel. The company shall also continue to support USA Cycling and the many events involved. The company shall continue to contribute to a groundswell of supportive efforts which focus on cultivating ethics, grace, and commitment emblematic of cycling like the Fast Freddie Foundation and youth development. This critical decision has been forced upon many of cycling’s major sponsors, and although Exergy Development Group shall continue to enable youth development and provide parity into women’s cycling, the company requires massive overhaul to the system to produce a sport that can be trusted and respected before it returns to its previous sponsorship participation.

from a team who could not pay there bills, using Doping as a excuse to get out of some of it´s commitments

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/11/news/citing-scandal-and-deceit-exergy-cuts-sponsorship-of-mens-team_266499 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/11/news/citing-scandal-and-deceit-exergy-cuts-sponsorship-of-mens-team_266499)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 28, 2012, 15:31
from a team who could not pay there bills, using Doping as a excuse to get out of some of it´s commitments

Yeah, seems like a sh*tty move.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on November 28, 2012, 18:57
"@Cycle_Nation: RT @Sport24news: I refused to dope - Lange: Former SA cyclist Malcolm Lange says he decided not to continue his ... http://t.co/y8aRnFFD"

"Johannesburg - High levels of doping in cycling at an international level deterred Malcolm Lange from competing in Europe, the former South African professional cyclist said on Wednesday.

"We know the sport has had a bad image with doping and that was one thing that deterred me from the sport," he said.

Lange was speaking at the launch of his tell-all book "Is Winning Everything? Success as defined by cycling legend Malcolm Lange".

The 39-year-old said his refusal to use performance-enhancing drugs, which were rife at the time, led to his move home in 1996 to continue his cycling career.

"This whole doping issue made me make the decision that I want to come back to South Africa and build cycling here. Doping was always available and guys could easily get a hold of it.

"If I wanted to be chasing podium places consistently in Europe, I would have to adopt a win-at-all-costs approach, which meant putting my health and my integrity at risk.

"I was there for many years and I decided that's not the avenue I want to take and I stayed clean, and I came back locally and built teams up here and raced a lot more on the local scene."

Lange said he had been unfairly criticised about his return, with his detractors saying the move was due to him being unable to compete in Europe.

"I've had some really big international wins abroad, as well as winning a big race. That was my focus and that’s what I wanted to do. I won at least 20 races in three seasons in Europe as an amateur between 1993 and 1995.

"When I turned professional for a Belgian team in 1996, I realised that I was up against a system I had no control over."

Throughout his 17-year career, Lange won numerous South African road and track titles, including Cape Argus Cycle Tours, three Momentum 94.7 Cycle Challenges and six MTN Amashova National Classics.

He holds the record for back-to-back wins at the Momentum 94.7 Cycle Challenge, in 2000 and 2001.

Lange believed there were many riders in South Africa who could continue to do well internationally without using banned substances.

"We have great talent. We have Reinardt Janse van Rensburg, who's been racing incredibly well in Europe and it shows you that we can produce great champions."

http://m.news24.com/sport24/OtherSport/Cycling/I-refused-to-dope-Malcolm-Lange-20121128
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on November 29, 2012, 02:55
Without Betsy Andreu Lance Armstrong would never have been exposed as the biggest fraud in the history of the sport. The Volkskrant spoke with her​​.

Betsy Andreu (46) was the nail in the coffin of American cycling hero. "I have paid a high price, but I never became his victim," she says in an interview that Saturday to read in the newspaper.
 
Andreu, wife of former Armstrong teammate Frankie Andreu, in 1996 witnessed a conversation in which Armstrong known to have used various types of doping. "I thought: o .. my ... God. 'She had later testify. "If you were to ask me whether I prefer not Lance Armstrong had known, I would say yes."

bully
In her eyes, the fallen cyclist Armstrong a chameleon. Andreu: "He shows what he wants you to see. If he wants to intimidate, he is the bully. If he wants you to believe his lies, he is as charming as anyone can be. "And: "Lance is not a good person that makes bad choices. He is the devil in person. "

obsession
On the question of Times Reporter Marije Rand District or Armstrong has become an obsession for her, she replies: "I'm obsessed, no doubt. But I'm not obsessed with Lance Armstrong overthrow. I'm obsessed to clear my name. This is my fight. He has my name dragged through the mud. But the worse it got, the more I felt firmer. Really, so you're looking for a fight with me, Lance? Well, that you can get. "


Betsy TS. I saw the interview with her and she spoke of the Primevera as if it were some industial park crit, puleeze, Milan San Remo.
Yeah, yeah monuments don't mean didly to Bets, but that mean, mean, bully Armstrong, who fed peds down Frankies throat like Fois de gras.
Girl, cycling is a business, it is not bout being friends, it never has been.
BTW, does Bets support womens' cycling? I do, for sure.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: flicker2.0 on November 29, 2012, 02:59

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/barry-bonds-hall-chances-people-want-angry-forever-201657573--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/barry-bonds-hall-chances-people-want-angry-forever-201657573--mlb.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on December 02, 2012, 09:54
"‏@CyclingDirectSA Not good news at all! RT @GrootLem: Apparently 4 more positive tests to be announced soon? @Cycling_SA"
 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 04, 2012, 12:39
Tinkov - move along nothing to see here

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov-claims-cyclings-doping-problems-are-exaggerated (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov-claims-cyclings-doping-problems-are-exaggerated)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Slow Rider on December 04, 2012, 17:02
Tinkov - move along nothing to see here

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov-claims-cyclings-doping-problems-are-exaggerated (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov-claims-cyclings-doping-problems-are-exaggerated)

Marcel Kittel ‏@marcelkittel

Olé Oleg! Nice interview. You're right: why should cycling need credibility and rules?!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 04, 2012, 19:26
I like Kittel, but didn't he have an 'issue' a few months ago?
UV blood cleaning a few years ago mentioned a few months ago
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on December 04, 2012, 23:27
and actually Kittel and Argos have been pretty open about it.

I dont think Kittel has any issues ... I believe him (even though I am fairly cynical about most)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 05, 2012, 04:47
and actually Kittel and Argos have been pretty open about it.

I dont think Kittel has any issues ... I believe him (even though I am fairly cynical about most)

Maybe but GGerman cycling fed are maybe going to cas to get a retro ban
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 05, 2012, 17:02
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/8041704/Drugs-watchdog-urged-to-target-real-cheats (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/8041704/Drugs-watchdog-urged-to-target-real-cheats)

 :fp :fp :fp :fp
We know you luurrve the All Blacks.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 05, 2012, 17:23
Fair enough.

It'd be optimistic to not expect them to be on dodgy painkillers at the least though, seeing it from his side.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 10, 2012, 10:44
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/offredo-finds-whereabouts-ban-too-strict (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/offredo-finds-whereabouts-ban-too-strict)

Offredo gets a year for being muppet

USADA folks who doped for years get 6 months can see why he is peeed
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on December 10, 2012, 12:47
yep, you can see why he feels hard done by
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 10, 2012, 13:59
3 violations in 18 months. He didn't even rat out anyone, soft as that was. Sook
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on December 11, 2012, 00:46
it wasnt so much that it was 3 violations that I think is the 'wrong' here.  If he had actually missed 3 tests I would be less sympathetic.

But the first 2 violations were simply for being late in putting in his forms.  He didnt miss a test.

The last violation he did miss an out of competition test - because he was competing, and got tested there.   The team changed his program at the last minute and did not complete the paperwork ... but he got tested in competition.

So basically he got suspended for a year because he cant fill out forms properly.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 11, 2012, 01:35
It's not tax return like forms where he has to be so careful, and it isn't that hardto change the dates. There's a link in one thread here about on how short a notice the whereabouts dates can be changed (a beeb scribe went through the procedure).
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 11, 2012, 05:45
So because it is easy and he fliped up some paper work you think it is ok he gets a year but blokes taking peds for 15 years tell on the big bad Lance they get 6 months

Umm makes sense  ???
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 11, 2012, 05:52
Nope, in fact I think the USADA lot got a proper plum deal with 6 months. They deserved the same as Armstrong, a life ban.

Just saying he shouldn't whinge with the paperwork, I don't file my tax papers, I get in sh*t with the govt.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on December 11, 2012, 10:57
dont get me wrong Ram - I am not saying he should have just got off ... but yeah the justice of it all does seem to be well out of whack.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2012, 07:14
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0084/3732/products/FloydNavidad_small.png?21)

gift ideas for post xmas

http://www.stomachofanger.com/products/floyd-to-the-world (http://www.stomachofanger.com/products/floyd-to-the-world)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Arb on December 13, 2012, 07:31
Nope, in fact I think the USADA lot got a proper plum deal with 6 months. They deserved the same as Armstrong, a life ban.

If that was the case then none of them would have any ban...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 13, 2012, 07:39
Sage

Or was that Hincapie, or Vaughters?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Arb on December 13, 2012, 07:52
Umm, I'd take George.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2012, 17:02
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13489/Androni-Giocattoli-Topsport-Vlaanderen-Baloise-and-Caja-Rural-apply-to-join-MPCC.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13489/Androni-Giocattoli-Topsport-Vlaanderen-Baloise-and-Caja-Rural-apply-to-join-MPCC.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 14, 2012, 22:09
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-interview-chris-horner-on-his-career-armstrong-and-pro-cycling (http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-interview-chris-horner-on-his-career-armstrong-and-pro-cycling)

The genius that is Chris Horner
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on December 15, 2012, 19:58
Ekimov awarded Tyler Hamiltons medal at the Russian Cycling Christmas Ball
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-LCf9nCIAAjWI5.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 17, 2012, 12:24
(http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/resize/file/3473_swart-640-dr.jpg/id/35207/w/640/h/360)

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/41181/whistleblower-swart-named-new-zealander-of-the-year (http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/41181/whistleblower-swart-named-new-zealander-of-the-year)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 17, 2012, 17:47
And in second place would've been the legend John Buchanan (yes, he's Aussie). Wouldn't have that mich competition to be fair.

Guessing Kiwirider's nomination would've been - Richie McCaw
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2012, 13:09
(http://www.roadcycling.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/image/pat_mcquaid_3_0.jpg)

http://www.roadcycling.com/news-results/medias-role-clean-and-reform-uci/page/0/3#.UNBpQeRQSSo (http://www.roadcycling.com/news-results/medias-role-clean-and-reform-uci/page/0/3#.UNBpQeRQSSo)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2012, 17:42
tried to make this joke earlier brain fade and failed

anyways

anyone think Mick should change his nickname to Kevin Livingston from Dodger ?

cyclist brought for knowledge  ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on December 18, 2012, 18:15
"@TourDeJose: Remarkable quote today by Max van Heeswijk: “I only respect Lance more now I know he only used the regular stuff.”
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 19, 2012, 02:11
Woahzers, Richie moonlights as a senior footballer and wins a girl a literary award? Is there anything the guy can't do?
:win
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on December 19, 2012, 13:17
"@ukantidoping: If you don't want to pick up the phone, you can confidentially Report Doping online http://t.co/qLtapE1U #CleanSport"

http://secure.crimestoppers-uk.org/UKAD/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 20, 2012, 12:31
jsg ‏@cycling_jsg
Galimzyanov gets popped in March admits in April takes until 19th of Dec for official paperwork - what is right about that 8 months - crazy

I quote myself

flip me the system is fliped  ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on December 20, 2012, 12:33
jsg ‏@cycling_jsg
I quote myself

Too cool :-D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on December 21, 2012, 22:53
And the winner of the 2005 Vuelta is....





Roberto Heras


http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13547/Spanish-Supreme-court-backs-Heras-reclaiming-of-2005-Vuelta-a-Espana-title.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13547/Spanish-Supreme-court-backs-Heras-reclaiming-of-2005-Vuelta-a-Espana-title.aspx)

Huge news imo. For fans of the history of the sport it now makes Heras's name ring out through the ages as the winner of the most Vueltas.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 22, 2012, 04:16
Armstrong should've long since changed his passport.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 22, 2012, 17:59
http://www.thenewage.co.za/75143-10-53-Suspension_of_Spains_antidoping_lab_due_to_gaff (http://www.thenewage.co.za/75143-10-53-Suspension_of_Spains_antidoping_lab_due_to_gaff)

Spain's Anti-Doping Agency (AEA) says that the mixing of two urine samples led to its laboratory being suspended for three months on Friday by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).


AEA director Ana Munoz says that in August "one urine sample was contaminated by a sample from a different athlete that contained a high concentration of a banned substance," according to a statement reported in the Spanish media.

The statement said that the error was discovered and that no athlete was incorrectly accused of doping. It added that the laboratory's head of quality control resigned on Friday after the WADA suspension.

The blow to Spain's anti-doping program comes just weeks before Madrid must submit its final bid to host the 2020 Olympic Games.



http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/summer-olympics/304-2020-bidding-sports/1012199-madrid-laboratory-suspended-by-wada-in-a-blow-to-city-s-olympic-bid (http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/summer-olympics/304-2020-bidding-sports/1012199-madrid-laboratory-suspended-by-wada-in-a-blow-to-city-s-olympic-bid)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on December 23, 2012, 23:48
Armstrong should've long since changed his passport.

As I understand it, in this case it was the Spanish who sanctioned and stripped Heras, and when a court of law  overturned it they even appealed.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on December 24, 2012, 02:03
I know what happened, and don't think doping cases should be handled in civil or criminal courts if it isn't a criminal offence.

Tis a proper farce.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on December 24, 2012, 16:13
"@renovandael: Dutch anti-doping autority is adopting similar approach to USADA. Currently talking to several riders, offering soft ban for full coopreratn"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on December 24, 2012, 16:15
That would be interesting.. never thought the Dutch had it in them :P
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Slow Rider on December 24, 2012, 16:40
That would be interesting.. never thought the Dutch had it in them :P

Hey, don't underestimate us!

There's a few riders moving towards a confession apparently, even Boogerd didn't really deny using doping any more. Who knows, perhaps we'll actually get somewhere with this.

But the leader of our anti-doping agency is called Herman Ram. With such a last name, can't expect many good things from him, can we?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on December 25, 2012, 21:43
With Rabo pulling out of the sport already, and Menchov seemingly in deep water, I guess the Dutch have nothing to lose at this point.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 26, 2012, 01:00
With Rabo pulling out of the sport already, and Menchov seemingly in deep water, I guess the Dutch have nothing to lose at this point.

and if you read the team doping thread

the Dutch we the kings at the dark side around festina
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on December 26, 2012, 19:52
Vino wants to be credible. Writes to the MPCC
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Michielveedeebee on December 26, 2012, 21:05
Vino wants to be credible. Writes to the MPCC

thah
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Kvinto on December 27, 2012, 17:35
Vino wants to be credible. Writes to the MPCC

That's OK. I don't see any reason why might Astana not fit into an organization which has Gerolsteiner as one of founding members  ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on December 28, 2012, 12:12
"@Cycling_tweets: Erik Dekker, Wauters deny doping whilst riding for Rabobank http://t.co/0L7dcYKU (http://t.co/0L7dcYKU) #cyclingnews"

http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/dekker-wauters-deny-doping-whilst-riding-for-rabobank?ns_campaign=news&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0 (http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/dekker-wauters-deny-doping-whilst-riding-for-rabobank?ns_campaign=news&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on December 29, 2012, 17:30
"@broomwagonblog: Italian judge speaks no sh*t. http://t.co/GSwT45ni Cant wait for his report to be published."

"Italian judge says doping is still a problem in cycling"

http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-judge-says-doping-is-still-a-problem-in-cycling
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on December 31, 2012, 18:30
 #astana http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kashechkin-reinstated-at-astana (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kashechkin-reinstated-at-astana) #astana

Quote
The Astana team has reinstated Kazakhstan's Andrey Kashechkin after he signed the team's internal code of conduct. He will now be free to start in the Santos Tour Down Under on January 21.

The team announced the provisional suspension of Kashechkin on December 28 after he refused to sign the document, although no specifics were given regarding which provisions he objected to.

Astana is in the process of trying to improve its image, although its current incarnation escaped 2012 relatively unscathed in the doping-scandal filled year. Its only incidents this season were the suspension of Albert Contador which dated back to his 2010 Tour de France with the squad, and the arrest of French rider Remi di Gregorio in an investigation into illegal practices during his time with Astana in 2011.

Now imo that is jut daft, would not expect anything more though from Vino and Astana.. but still that comes across as pretty lame. It now comes across as something which they have to get done rather than something which actually could help to eradicate doping.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on January 02, 2013, 09:39
"@bambula: Alex Rasmussen has gotten a month off from his suspension, may race again 1st of March. (in Danish) http://t.co/v8mUWrgf"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on January 03, 2013, 19:41
"@bikejourno: Another #Rabobank rider w/ details on doping: Doc Leinders delivered EPO, Luttenberger took some & more http://t.co/dsKIkMb1 #notsurprising"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on January 05, 2013, 05:23
"@VictorConte: Same testing facility is used. Some tactics may be different RT @arvinic: i think VADA is more credible than USADA or WADA."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 14, 2013, 12:23
Good read http://www.journalisten.dk/aarets-indroemmelse-cykelsportens-brandmand (http://www.journalisten.dk/aarets-indroemmelse-cykelsportens-brandmand)

the management of a Doping confession

Nygaard working for Riis
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on January 14, 2013, 16:03
she is referring to women's cycling, partially at least:

Quote
"I was invited into a team camper and asked what "medicines" I would like to take to help me and was reminded that the team had certain expectations of me during the race and I was not living up to them with my performance over the last couple of stages.

I said I would do my best until I had to drop out of the race, but I was not taking anything."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 16, 2013, 15:44
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jaksche-sponsors-must-also-accept-their-responsibility-for-doping (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jaksche-sponsors-must-also-accept-their-responsibility-for-doping)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on January 16, 2013, 16:09
there was an interview with him is austrian newspaper Kleine Zeitung on monday as well - not overly interesting, and already a bit outdated by more recent news, so just google translated:

Quote
"Armstrong only want to save his myth"

Jörg Jaksche (36), former professional cyclist and key witness in the Fuentes doping scandal. On confession of Lance Armstrong and the future of the sport

According to "USA Today" Lance Armstrong is planning this week, talk show host Oprah Winfrey in a doping confession. He is unpack your estimation?

JAKSCHE: I think he will turn it as if everyone else had cheated him and he had no other option. On the way, I think he will sell it.

Why, he goes out in public?

JAKSCHE: Armstrong is one who stands to be the center. Now he is the complete anti-hero. But Armstrong is an egomaniac, a man who has always need to work hard. And now he's trying to save, at least a fraction of his myth. The general public now so vilified him and I totally understand that he is trying straighten some things.

You recently stated that in the case of Armstrong's confession threatens a total stop in cycling. Is that really to be feared?

JAKSCHE: Well, if he would say anything that has expired, so the explosive details regarding the UCI and ASO, or that he had pleaded with the French President Nicolas Sarkozy to sack the head of the Paris laboratory, Pierre Bordry - then cycling can first lock for a year.

Stands and falls with the cycling an Armstrong confession?

JAKSCHE: It will go on anyway, but it should just sorted out better. But the entire leadership of the UCI has gone times. The entangle themselves so constantly in contradictions, which also believes no one. And it really depends on the credibility of cycling.

As the UCI suspended with inside?

JAKSCHE: The made to a certain way just bought. Since money has flowed from Armstrong to the UCI.

You were one of the 26 witnesses who testified against Armstrong.

JAKSCHE: I did not testify directly against Armstrong, it was more concerned that I said the UCI, and the organized doping, and the laboratory is corrupt, so and so things are going.

They are gone for years with Armstrong in the peloton. You knew something earlier?

JAKSCHE: After doping at that time was commonplace, imagine us only the question he had something better than we or he was just talented? That something has gone, but it was really clear to everyone.

Was then almost a tacit understanding in cycling. You know it, but they say nothing?

JAKSCHE: Exactly. That was part of the business.

They were crown witness of Fuentes scandal in 2006. At that time, publicly announced there were mainly cyclists, although Fuentes himself has confirmed that only about 30 percent of his clients have been identified. How is that possible?

JAKSCHE: I always ask myself. I know that the police was working well, but from above was then somehow made the cover over it. Since then any ministry has said, stop that is now too sensitive.

Would you say that something has changed since the scandals in cycling circus?

JAKSCHE: Yes, of course. At the time I started doping was completely normal. Since the driver said to one another as if all this means only dextrose. Nowadays, the sponsors make greater pressure, the expected clean performances. But at the end of the day it is also a fact that not everything can be proven.

So it's basically a cat-and-mouse game played by the mice are getting faster?

JAKSCHE: Well, the cat-and-mouse game is more of a system problem.

What would have to change then?

JAKSCHE: A first approach would be for the people for 25 years in cycling there are times their bags would. But it's just difficult when people have something to say, who know how things work just.

Under the name "ChangeCyclingNow" You try and fight another 13 people for clean cycling. Is this about her past not a bit hypocritical?

JAKSCHE: I did what I did at least added. I was part of this system, I've since gone through, I stand to it. But I can give insight to change things.

Cycling actually still has the future and how do you see?

JAKSCHE: the future of cycling has always said he will not disappear from the scene. But the cycling could be much larger. Structurally, because many things are set up totally wrong. Without the small Mental could move much. Then too much pressure would drop, which is the fundamental problem of doping. This affects the way the whole sport.

Then, is the belief in a clean sport naive?

JAKSCHE: Yes, a bit. After the start line all ethics is overthrown. It is everywhere cheated when it comes to power, money, success. And that's not a problem of cycling, but rather a human problem.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on January 18, 2013, 07:10
"@VictorConte: RT @Vada_Testing: If athletic commissions truly wish to deter cheating, you include unannounced CIR, blood counts. EPO and hGH"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on January 18, 2013, 11:27
"@cyclopathy: Lance here, Lance there, Lance everywhere...but if you knew how many Lances are in all professional sports, would you care at all?"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on January 19, 2013, 19:26
Danny Nelissen has admitted he has used doping in 1997 & 1998. Dutch Eurosport commentator, @dnelissen.

Happy he admitted, Danny seems to be a nice person. Hope the ball gets rolling in the Dutch camp.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on January 19, 2013, 22:24
"@cyclopathy: No, only for 8 hrs detectable! VictorConte: Yes RT @markbrogan: Is that right, EPO undetectable 24 hours after intravenous injection?"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 22, 2013, 15:35
            
Press release: Steve Houanard suspended two years

22.01.2013

The International Cycling Union (UCI) announces that Steve Houanard (France), who had returned an adverse analytical finding (presence of EPO) in a urine sample collected during an out-of-competition test on 21 September 2012, is suspended for a period of two years.

Mr Houanard signed a document accepting the sanction on 18th January 2013.
UCI Communication Services
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 22, 2013, 15:53
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/rogers-switch-the-talk-of-town-20130122-2d5m1.html (http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/rogers-switch-the-talk-of-town-20130122-2d5m1.html)

for there to be open gossip I think there will be fire soon
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 22, 2013, 15:55
from tourdejose

(http://www.scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/486x302/public/2013/01/22/scmp_19nov10_sp_bmx_rowing_18839903.jpg)

Champion System yesterday released a statement in which Wong apologised.

"I have let a lot of people down including the club management, my teammates and sponsors," the statement said. "I will take full responsibility for my actions."

The club claimed that the steroid got into his system accidentally through a medical cream.

http://www.scmp.com/sport/hong-kong/article/1133243/wong-wont-lose-games-gold-after-failing-doping-test-professional (http://www.scmp.com/sport/hong-kong/article/1133243/wong-wont-lose-games-gold-after-failing-doping-test-professional)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 22, 2013, 20:16
Hounard 2 year ban
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Houanard-suspendu-deux-ans/344454#xtor=RSS-1 (http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Houanard-suspendu-deux-ans/344454#xtor=RSS-1)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 28, 2013, 13:23
60 Mins from 2001 doping of the kids that went on to become ....

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-57565886-10391709/somethings-fishy-in-cycling-our-first-report/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-57565886-10391709/somethings-fishy-in-cycling-our-first-report/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: esafosfina on January 28, 2013, 20:07
If it's true it's a disgrace... but Strock has a highly inflated opinion of how good he was, ffs! Angus Fraser... hmmm!  ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 28, 2013, 20:11
If it's true it's a disgrace... but Strock has a highly inflated opinion of how good he was, ffs! Angus Fraser... hmmm!  ;)

Not the 1st time reports of junior U.S. teams and coaches injecting kids

flipers should be shoot and let bleed out
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 29, 2013, 20:23
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/01/news/spanish-prosecutors-will-not-pursue-charges-against-del-moral-marti_273006 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/01/news/spanish-prosecutors-will-not-pursue-charges-against-del-moral-marti_273006)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on January 30, 2013, 15:57
"@CyclingFlash: Live press conference at 18:00 CET on verdict Frank Schleck's doping case - http://sport.rtl.lu/cyclissem/news/387749.html (http://sport.rtl.lu/cyclissem/news/387749.html) …"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on February 04, 2013, 19:18
"@VictorConte: New EPO test COULD help stamp out microdosing http://t.co/BFs45bIf"

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13859/New-EPO-test-could-help-stamp-out-microdosing.aspx
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 05, 2013, 10:05
Growth hormone (GH) and brain trauma (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X12000530)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on February 05, 2013, 10:26
Andy Murray: Tennis must invest following Lance Armstrong scandal

from BBC News

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Andy Murray wants tennis to learn from the Lance Armstrong doping scandal and introduce tighter controls. The British number one believes that prize funds should be reduced if it is the only way to fund more regular blood testing and protect the sport's image.

"It's down to our governing bodies and the ATP to invest some of our own money and make sure we get more testing done," he said. "If it means taking some of the money out of the players' earnings then that's what we have to do."

Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes is currently on trial in Madrid after admitting providing athletes with banned substances in sport's latest drug inquiry. The World Anti-Doping Agency was initially told that tennis players were amongst the sportspeople supplied by Fuentes when his operation was uncovered by Spanish police in 2006. However Fuentes is only being tried over doping in one sport as cyclists were the only athletes that could be identified from the bags of blood seized.

"I think it's essential that the names and whoever was involved with it, it's essential for tennis that that comes out," said Murray. "If one in 100 is doping then, in my eyes, that isn't a clean sport and we need to to everything we can to ensure we have everyone that's competing at the highest level and below is clean. "I know what goes in my body and I know from my side that I'm clean, so that's all I can comment on."

Armstrong recently admitted cheating en route to winning all seven of his Tour de France titles, and US Open champion Murray believes that the damage done to cycling has focused minds across sport.

"I don't want that happening for my sport because it would be terrible," he said. "Every single week right now there's something different and it's bad for sport."

Murray argues that more blood tests, combined with biological passports that monitor for the effects of doping, is the best tactic to ensure a clean sport and may not be as costly as first appears.

"The only way you can improve your testing procedures is by having more of them and you need money to do that - it's a cost thing," he added. "But in the long term I think you save money because I think more people would come to watch sports, rather than reading all the time about these doping scandals."

The International Tennis Federation carried out a total of 131 blood tests in and out competition in 2011 - the most recent year for which figures are available - alongside 2,019 urine tests. However world number one Novak Djokovic recently complained the number of blood tests he has undergone fell in the last year.

So it looks like the world numbers 1 and 3 are pretty anti-doping and pro-testing. Now for the rest of tennis to wake up as well.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 05, 2013, 10:49
(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2013/0104/lewis_ray_g_mp_640.jpg&w=640&h=360)

Daring to Ask the PED Question (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 05, 2013, 11:42
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/interviews/cycling-did-not-do-enough-to-detect-lance-armstrong-how-could-they-not-know-8481038.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/interviews/cycling-did-not-do-enough-to-detect-lance-armstrong-how-could-they-not-know-8481038.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 05, 2013, 13:15
Dick Pound

Quote
So was the Armstrong donation a bribe?  “I don’t know if it was a bribe but I cannot imagine a more inappropriate decision on the part of UCI,” says Pound. “When you’ve got somebody suspected of doping and you agree to take a significant monetary gift, I mean God in heaven, what possessed Verbruggen that that was a good idea?”

:win

and seriously - what do they think Armstrong was paying it for?

Does anyone seriously believe that Lance, who has now admitted he was doping, gave money to the UCI to fight doping?     So if not, what did he think he was getting for the money?

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 05, 2013, 16:17
Why is "Dick Pound" not blocked by the swear filter? I only realized the hilariousness of his name when the CN forum made him into **** Pound, wouldn't have given it any thought otherwise.
OK, let's get serious again...

That article is exactly how the media should not spin this. Yes, cycling has not had (and hasn't) a perfect anti-doping regime - no sport ever had, or will have.
Yes, many people have enabled doping, administered doping, taken doping products themselves, covered up positives or simply looked the other way. Many of us fans - myself included - are guilty of that last one.
But the headline "How could they not know?" will put in people's minds a notion that cycling is doping-infested (it still is, and it certainly was) and far beyond any saving (if I thought that to be true, I'd stop following the sport). It broadcasts the message that the Armstrong affair was uncovered by people and organisations that were not in any way involved in cycling, which is untrue.
I believe that cycling is cleaning up, both in body (the amount of doping riders still take, and how many do it) and in mind (the attitude towards doping from riders, DSs - some of them -, organisators and fans alike). We're on the right path (although it's still a long and hard way), but to succeed we need "outsiders" (new spectators, possible new sponsors etc.) to consider cycling as being on that path, and being interested in getting involved, instead of thinking of cycling as some sort of freak show and comparing its truthfulness to wrestling.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 08, 2013, 08:04
Quote
Italian soccer superstar Alessandro Del Piero, playing his first season with the A-League's Sydney FC said issues of doping and match-fixing are a global problem.

During his time at Juventus, that esteemed Italian football club was involved in a match-fixing scandal in 2006, when their punishments included being relegated and stripped of two Serie A titles.

Asked for his reaction to revelations from the ACC regarding widespread doping and possible match-fixing Del Piero said on Friday: "It is a serious problem".

"It's not only an Australian problem it's all the world a problem, it's not a good thing."

Quote
Nadal wants the names of those implicated in the "Operation Puerto" trial into blood doping to be provided to clear others of wrongdoing.

"I don't understand why we never get to the bottom of these things," Nadal said.

"We need to clean everything up. I believe this doctor has worked with foreign athletes but because he is Spanish it is Spanish sport that is being prejudiced.

some gems right there Doping, match-fixing a worldwide problem (http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/doping-matchfixing-a-worldwide-problem-20130208-2e3nn.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 08, 2013, 08:55
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on February 09, 2013, 05:51
http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8931274/investigation-finds-curt-schilling-ped-claims-baseless-sources-say (http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8931274/investigation-finds-curt-schilling-ped-claims-baseless-sources-say)

World Series winning pitcher turned failed video game designer turned ESPN pundit Curt Schilling said that team doctors advised him to use drugs to rehabilitate an injury. His then-team investigated, and unsurprisingly concluded that nuh-uh that totally never happened.

Then Major League Baseball investigated, and ALSO concluded that Curt Schilling was lying.

It's almost re-assuring to see that the UCI is not the only organising body that is actively working to suppress doping revelations in their sport.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 09, 2013, 06:48
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/no-aoc-mercy-for-drug-lies-20130208-2e3z5.html (http://www.theage.com.au/sport/no-aoc-mercy-for-drug-lies-20130208-2e3z5.html)
Sign a form get caught doping 2 years in jail and a few other bits

But t&r 1st and for the future harder penalties
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on February 11, 2013, 09:26
"@VictorConte: Balance and knowledge are lacking in the drugs in sport debate http://t.co/cG597pPW"

http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/02/11/balance-and-knowledge-are-lacking-in-the-drugs-in-sport-debate/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 12, 2013, 12:45
Sporting bodies must do more: Fahey (http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/sporting-bodies-must-do-more-fahey-20130212-2ebig.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 13, 2013, 12:12
Lampre Merida confirms Scarponi is currently suspended, meeting about his future set to take place soon

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13933/Lampre-Merida-confirms-Scarponi-is-currently-suspended-meeting-about-his-future-set-to-take-place-soon.aspx#ixzz2KmSKRJ9G (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13933/Lampre-Merida-confirms-Scarponi-is-currently-suspended-meeting-about-his-future-set-to-take-place-soon.aspx#ixzz2KmSKRJ9G)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 13, 2013, 13:44
hmm - interesting
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 13, 2013, 13:59
Lampre Merida confirms Scarponi is currently suspended, meeting about his future set to take place soon

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13933/Lampre-Merida-confirms-Scarponi-is-currently-suspended-meeting-about-his-future-set-to-take-place-soon.aspx#ixzz2KmSKRJ9G (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13933/Lampre-Merida-confirms-Scarponi-is-currently-suspended-meeting-about-his-future-set-to-take-place-soon.aspx#ixzz2KmSKRJ9G)

hmm - interesting

He's done his time (again), so why the continued internal suspension? I refuse to believe that this is about the team suddenly discovering principles in a some sort of quasi-orgiastic epiphany of rectitude.

This has to go deeper. There's something else going on with Scarponi that could damage Lampre again. Perhaps he has learned that he will have to give evidence against Ferrari or something of the kind. Based on the usual Italian timetable, that should be upcoming this year, along with Mantova which is also an embarassment for Lampre, albeit from 2009.

But that all happened years ago. Cycling has changed...

Or maybe J-Rod is just better value and saving Scarpo's salary helps them to afford to less scandal-prone Catalan.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 13, 2013, 16:56
Or maybe J-Rod is just better value and saving Scarpo's salary helps them to afford to less scandal-prone Catalan.
That was my first thought.
However, wouldn't they still have to pay Scarponi's salary, even if he's suspended, when there's no "real" reason to suspend him?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 13, 2013, 17:15
That was my first thought.
However, wouldn't they still have to pay Scarponi's salary, even if he's suspended, when there's no "real" reason to suspend him?

They could easily claim he violated the team code and failed to disclose his involvement with Ferrari. He would reply that he didn't know it was illegal and they would counter something along the lines of 'you can tell the press and the public whatever you like but between this team and CONI, I think we all know that ignorance is no defence, Michele.'
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on February 13, 2013, 17:31
Maybe they are trying to make it very clear where they stand before Mantova?

As this article suggests: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/11/news/lampre-shifts-gears-ahead-of-mantova-storm_265025 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/11/news/lampre-shifts-gears-ahead-of-mantova-storm_265025)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 13, 2013, 17:44
Maybe they are trying to make it very clear where they stand before Mantova?

As this article suggests: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/11/news/lampre-shifts-gears-ahead-of-mantova-storm_265025 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/11/news/lampre-shifts-gears-ahead-of-mantova-storm_265025)

Ah well, Lampre turning anti-doping after sponsoring 21 years of doping. Suppose it could happen...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 14, 2013, 01:33
He's done his time (again), so why the continued internal suspension?

he has - but seriously, he has been suspended twice now ... he gets done for his dealings with Fuentes - and the first thing he does on his return to cycling is gets involved with Ferrari?   and then tries to say 'he didnt know'?

cmon.

I dont blame Lampre for suspending him (there own history notwithstanding) ... at some stage someone has to say enough is enough

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 16, 2013, 08:36
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/series/drugs-in-sport-special (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/series/drugs-in-sport-special)

Guardian drugs in sports special

Lots of reading
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 16, 2013, 09:16
Procycling: Based on what you saw and heard when you were at the Change Cycling Now conference in December, are you optimistic about the future of the sport?


Bassons: I am optimistic but the current situation isn’t good. In the peloton, it’s still going pretty quickly [smiles knowingly]. You don’t need muscles to go fast, apparently. That’s what we saw this year. And then there’s the way they’re recovering. Beyond that, I’ve never made a distinction between doping and doping behaviour that’s not forbidden but most people do make that distinction. They’ll go right to the line, even bending the rules if they have to. The one thing I hope comes out of this conference above all else, though, is for an independent agency to take over anti-doping. That’s absolutely essential.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/christophe-bassons-where-the-war-on-drugs-is-going-wrong (http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/christophe-bassons-where-the-war-on-drugs-is-going-wrong)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on February 16, 2013, 09:57
"@juliansavulescu: Legalise PEDs and we'll prosper, says ethicist http://t.co/KTxQBQbY via @smh"

Quote
ONE of Australia's pre-eminent thinkers, Oxford University professor Julian Savulescu, has called for world sporting authorities to legalise performance-enhancing substances.
Savulescu, a world-renowned philosopher and bioethicist, has argued for a decade that prohibition doesn't work but instead promotes links to organised crime.

The goal at the moment is to pick up anything that has a performance-enhancing effect, no matter how small the amount. That's obviously an unachievable task,'' Savulescu told Fairfax Media from England. ''You can't pick up a molecule of testosterone or a single molecule of growth hormone, yet that is what they're trying to do. Instead, the goalposts should be shifted to harm reduction, where you pick up unsafe amounts or unsafe practices.

http://m.smh.com.au/sport/legalise-peds-and-well-prosper-says-ethicist-20130216-2ejvc.html

Interesting article.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on February 16, 2013, 20:36
For me, his logic falls down really badly in assuming that all we want to see is people riding fast and winning races.

Personally, the best thing about bike racing - and in fact any sport that we get to watch - is the humanity and the effort that is involved. I'd far rather watch a good fight for position than a machine like domination for win.

Cycling's always had a tradition of celebrating the effort as much as the victory

I agree with you totally (and always loved Fignon too). I just think the point is that it seems scientifically impossible (and financially too expensive?) to police doping effectively? It's what would be ideal v what is realistic, and I hate having to choose between the lesser of two evils, but?

Perhaps he does have a point re the minimum amounts to test for? And also revising what's on the banned list? I certainly do not approve of condoning the use of PEDs in competition.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 18, 2013, 11:31
Quote
Cycling is very intense and so some time away gives you perspective and lets you reflect about how you do your job, how you handle the physical and the mental approach, all the factors that go into your performance. The new energy helps you go back and make thinks better. Guys like Lance Armstrong and Laurent Jalabert came back as better riders after they took a break. I hope the same happens to me."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-confident-for-new-season-after-good-start-in-oman (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-confident-for-new-season-after-good-start-in-oman)

Yes thats right ..............................

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 18, 2013, 11:48
Hushovd angry at Armstrong for doping (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hushovd-angry-at-armstrong-for-doping)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 18, 2013, 13:11
Hushovd angry at Armstrong for doping (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hushovd-angry-at-armstrong-for-doping)

Question: Thor, did you dope?

Answer:
Quote
“The only thing I can say is that I know that I'm sitting here with a clear conscience. Meanwhile, people who have doped said the same thing before, but in my head, and here I have it safe and fine,” pointing to his heart.

"No" would have been better.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on February 18, 2013, 19:48
"No" would have been better.

Well said.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 18, 2013, 19:54
There has been some discussion 're translation copy and paste via cycling news.

Fwiw
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 18, 2013, 22:05
I found the actual original source:
http://tv.nrk.no/serie/dagsrevyen/nnfa02021613/16-02-2013 (http://tv.nrk.no/serie/dagsrevyen/nnfa02021613/16-02-2013)
(click on "9. Thor Hushovd om Armstrong og doping")

I'll have to listen through it carefully to see 1) if the question was that explicit ("did you dope?"), and 2) what exactly he answered (if I can understand his Norwegian...).
But from the short skip I've done now I'd say the question wasn't as clear cut as that, and the answer given by CN is somewhat paraphrased.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 19, 2013, 09:03
Drug Makers, in Shift, Join Fight Against Doping (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/business/drug-makers-increasingly-join-fight-against-doping.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 19, 2013, 10:08
interesting
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 19, 2013, 12:51
Gerard Vroomen Interview: Inexplicable why the UCI didn’t target Armstrong over bio passport

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13976/Gerard-Vroomen-Interview-Inexplicable-why-the-UCI-didnt-target-Armstrong-over-bio-passport.aspx#ixzz2LLhQ7vaa (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13976/Gerard-Vroomen-Interview-Inexplicable-why-the-UCI-didnt-target-Armstrong-over-bio-passport.aspx#ixzz2LLhQ7vaa)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 19, 2013, 14:00
Vroomen wrote a really good blog about the UCI blood passport program too

http://gerard.cc/category/bike-politics/ (http://gerard.cc/category/bike-politics/)

UCI v Ashendon

asking why the blood passport program did not flag Lance's profile for the Tour

Quote
In the end, there are only two possible conclusions:

    Armstrong’s profile was flagged by the software, a sign the tool may be useful, but the UCI decided not to forward the profile to the expert panel for review.
    Armstrong’s profile was not flagged by the software, which means the software and therefore the whole protocol is useless.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 20, 2013, 12:45
Gerard Vroomen Interview: Inexplicable why the UCI didn’t target Armstrong over bio passport

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13976/Gerard-Vroomen-Interview-Inexplicable-why-the-UCI-didnt-target-Armstrong-over-bio-passport.aspx#ixzz2LLhQ7vaa (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13976/Gerard-Vroomen-Interview-Inexplicable-why-the-UCI-didnt-target-Armstrong-over-bio-passport.aspx#ixzz2LLhQ7vaa)

Gerard Vroomen interview part II: Cycling should not be WADA’s only whipping boy


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13980/Gerard-Vroomen-interview-part-II-Cycling-should-not-be-WADAs-only-whipping-boy.aspx#ixzz2LRWGD24r (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13980/Gerard-Vroomen-interview-part-II-Cycling-should-not-be-WADAs-only-whipping-boy.aspx#ixzz2LRWGD24r)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on February 20, 2013, 14:48
I found the actual original source:
http://tv.nrk.no/serie/dagsrevyen/nnfa02021613/16-02-2013 (http://tv.nrk.no/serie/dagsrevyen/nnfa02021613/16-02-2013)
(click on "9. Thor Hushovd om Armstrong og doping")

I'll have to listen through it carefully to see 1) if the question was that explicit ("did you dope?"), and 2) what exactly he answered (if I can understand his Norwegian...).
But from the short skip I've done now I'd say the question wasn't as clear cut as that, and the answer given by CN is somewhat paraphrased.

I just watched it, and the coverage by CN was terrible, to begin with the question he is asked is not "Did you dope?" it is more in the lines of "Why should I believe in you whilst one after the other has cheated and cheated and cheated?" to which he replies something in the lines of "Yes that is of cause a hard question, and I think people at home must chose what they believe, I have said mine, but at the same time I realize that my words weigh less and less for every rider that comes forward and admits to doping. But in my mind and my heart I feel comfortable and that is important to me." So essentially he is answering if he agrees that it is harder and harder to believe anybody was clean for the fans, and he says that he agrees but also states that this is no issue for him, because he knows he was clean. But he understands why people have a hard time trusting bike riders.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on February 20, 2013, 16:45
Quote
(Sounds of scaping as soapbox is dsimantled ... followed by shuffling noises as I exit, stage left ...  :D)

:-D Awesome - and I hear you - great stuff KR.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on February 21, 2013, 03:19
Belated reply due to a couple of days down with bugs ...

Completely agree that policing doping wont remove drugs from sport. The main reason for that is because "policing" as the term has now come to be defined, is one of the most ineffective and inefficient ways of trying to bring about a change in behaviour - just look to how good the KGB was at stamping out "dissenters" in the former USSR ... Or, for a more hum-drum example, look to road policing in our respective countries.

The only way to get this major change is to look at root causes of the problem of doping and to look to key "social" triggers of change.

So that's basically a two pronged approach. First off, find out why riders are taking the drugs - is it because their DS's tell them too, peer pressure, fear of short term contracts, not having anything to go to outside cycling, imbalance in pay rates between "stars and watercarriers", because it's "kinda something to do", etc, etc ... This needs to be an investigation at all levels across the sport - not just this obsessive focus that the cycling world has with the World Tour teams. By doing that, we learn both where the problem first rears it's head - and can also learn why those parts of the sport that are "clean" are in fact "clean". Strategies can be developed to address those issues - eg., "no needles" policies, removing doctors from teams, changing the minimum pay scales, building in provisions for some form of pay security or "retirement planning", drug counseling, etc, etc ... You'll note from that list that I haven't put in "higher penalties" - which is because experience has shown that they wont make the change that is needed. I(If anyone wants proof just answer me the question: how many of the people sitting on death row around the world were put off from committing their crime by the fact that they could end up paying the ultimate price? The answer is of course "none" - or else they wouldn't be sitting there ...)

Alongside this, there needs to be a set of measures seeking to change the implicit (or - if you read some of the inane comments on VeloNews and cyclingnews.com - explicit) approval of doping in the sport. This means things like emphasising that doping is cheating, bringing the media around to celebrating the effort rather than the result, exposing the impossibility of some of the results that have been achieved (there was a good programme on the Seoul 100m final that did that), etc., etc. I know that I'll sound like I've simply regurgitated the work that Bassons has decribed in his recent interview over at cyclingnews - but they are the sort of things that need to be done. This is definitely a long game - again, as Bassons says. But hey "the journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step ..." right?

What I'm saying isn't pie in the sky - and in fact I know that it works as I've had first hand experience with this type of programme in industry. I worked in both heavy industry and forestry for a number of years. The latter especially had a huge problem with drugs - in part because of the boringly repetitive nature and poor pay of some jobs, and in part because a well tended forest is ideal growing space for other, more lucrative cash crops ...

When I started, the focus was very much on "catch and punish". The environment was adversarial and riddled with all of the same sort of "omerta" issues that cycling has. We embarked on a revolutionary programme that combined all of these sorts of elements that I discussed above. Rather than punishing anyone who was busted, we actually tried to rehabilitate them - no questions asked, no reprecussions, and even no sharing of the info with the police. We also put in place some pretty major education programmes focusing on the health effects, social effects, etc of the drugs. Some of these steps were small - eg., I still have a beanie from one programme that was "drugs and alcohol - not at work" (which implies that drugs at home may still be OK?!) - but they led to larger and larger steps.

The results that we got were staggering. Massive improvements in safety. Guys who came forward to ask for help of their own accord. A few who "self selected" themselves out by not wanting to play the game. But overall, a major change and massive reduction in the use of illicit drugs - something that the previous, punishment based regime never achieved.

Now I know that forestry workers and atheletes have different personalities - but humans are humans, regardless of their job, so there is every reason to expect it to work. Also, what I am talking about is actually basic criminology and is the sort of thing that countries with very low recidivism rates use very succsessfully - again, an argument in favour.

But most importantly, the current approach isn't really working, and isn't getting us to the results that we want (to paraprhase Evans - as long as the skinny guys are still winning all of the timetrials, we've got a problem) - and isn't it the definition of insanity to keep doing the same thing in the same circumstances and expecting a different result each time?

(Sounds of scaping as soapbox is dsimantled ... followed by shuffling noises as I exit, stage left ...  :D)
But, are you talking about recreational drugs or performance enhancing drugs?

The essential difference is that one hinders the productivity in an output driven society, whereas the other improves it. Recreational drugs are better left to education, though I'd personally not support its possession or use being decriminalised, and the piloting of such in Portugal has been a relative success.

PEDs, on the other hand, drive success and a comparison I'd make is like cheating in an examination. If I were in a sticky spot bordering on failure and needed another's help, I'd sure as hell might try. Whether the other is any good is another matter. The sanction of getting caught though might mean a black mark for the future career, and there's no cajoling involved. You get caught, you fail or get suspended. If that can be implemented in a doping sense...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on February 21, 2013, 14:26
the past is in the because it is in the past and what happened in the past should remain in the past because it is in the past (he didnt say that)

EKi

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/former-armstrong-teammate-ekimov-no-comment-on-doping-scandal_275321 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/former-armstrong-teammate-ekimov-no-comment-on-doping-scandal_275321)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 22, 2013, 10:52
This fits in 5 different threads so in here it goes

Roche on McQuaid and Kimmage (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/roche-on-mcquaid-and-kimmage)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 22, 2013, 23:37
there is a huge difference in motivation - the risk v reward payoff -  to take these substances though Kiwirider.

For your forrestry guy, the motivation is purely to reduce the boredom and get through the day. Its for personal stimulation.  This can easily be replaced with positive feelings towards the company, towards self, towards any number of things.

In elite sport winning is EVERYTHING.  There isnt anything you can use as a higher motivating factor.    Unless the risk of penalty is substantial, the rewards for doing it and succeeding are just too high.

So I dont think the 'rehabilitation without repercussions' part would work.

I completely agree with this part of your statement though

Alongside this, there needs to be a set of measures seeking to change the implicit (or - if you read some of the inane comments on VeloNews and cyclingnews.com - explicit) approval of doping in the sport. This means things like emphasising that doping is cheating, bringing the media around to celebrating the effort rather than the result, exposing the impossibility of some of the results that have been achieved (there was a good programme on the Seoul 100m final that did that), etc., etc. I know that I'll sound like I've simply regurgitated the work that Bassons has decribed in his recent interview over at cyclingnews - but they are the sort of things that need to be done. This is definitely a long game - again, as Bassons says. But hey "the journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step ..." right?


Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 26, 2013, 10:48
José Been ‏@TourDeJose
Angel Vicioso rides GP Camaiore (Thursday) with Katusha…..Suspension ended. Super fast five-day suspension for him

 :lol


Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 28, 2013, 16:51
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/afld-inks-deal-to-provide-anti-doping-control-at-the-tour-de-france_276265 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/afld-inks-deal-to-provide-anti-doping-control-at-the-tour-de-france_276265)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 28, 2013, 20:31
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/federal-investigation-into-doping-in-russia (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/federal-investigation-into-doping-in-russia)

Interrogations or interviews

So countries jumping on the bandwagon increase
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 28, 2013, 20:35
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/federal-investigation-into-doping-in-russia (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/federal-investigation-into-doping-in-russia)

Interrogations or interviews

So countries jumping on the bandwagon increase

Minutes of the Inaugural Session chaired by the Honourable Chairman Makarov

The Honourable Chairman would like it recorded that he cleared his throat.

Inquest formally opened.

There is no doping in Russia.

Inquest formally closed.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on March 06, 2013, 23:36
its an interesting one.

I think if anything comes of the Essendon one in the AFL, the club will be sued by a LOT of players.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2013, 11:41
WADA issues urgent warning about black market substance GW501516

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14196/WADA-issues-urgent-warning-about-black-market-substance-GW501516.aspx#ixzz2OGfgBR2x (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14196/WADA-issues-urgent-warning-about-black-market-substance-GW501516.aspx#ixzz2OGfgBR2x)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: esafosfina on March 23, 2013, 16:20
Not sure about this one... comes from a facebook friend and ex-team-mate of Elliot: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seur_(equipo_ciclista) (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seur_(equipo_ciclista))
Couldn't find Malcolm on L'arri's Dopeology site...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on March 23, 2013, 16:22
Not sure about this one... comes from a facebook friend and ex-team-mate of Elliot: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seur_(equipo_ciclista) (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seur_(equipo_ciclista))
Couldn't find Malcolm on L'arri's Dopeology site...

They will now be added. Thanks, esa!

EDIT: uh-oh, looks like there's a whole stack of incidents here...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: esafosfina on March 24, 2013, 10:21
WADA issues urgent warning about black market substance GW501516

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14196/WADA-issues-urgent-warning-about-black-market-substance-GW501516.aspx#ixzz2OGfgBR2x (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14196/WADA-issues-urgent-warning-about-black-market-substance-GW501516.aspx#ixzz2OGfgBR2x)

Read this yesterday... interesting stance by WADA. Could be a double edged sword... paternalism V libertarianism?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on March 29, 2013, 13:22
So first he denies it, spending virtually his entire suspension time swearing he never "did it" and fighting his suspension - I remember seeing him in some talkshow where he claimed to be as pure as a unicorn - and now he says "Yeah, whatever. I did it, if they want to know more, they can ask me."

He's doing it the wrong way.
Firstly, he should have admitted, ideally right away, but denying throughout his suspension was simply absurd. Coming out now isn't worth much; only marginally better (as in sooner) than Rolf Sørensen, really.
Secondly, he shouldn't publicly announce that he would be willing to cooperate with the authorities, he should simply do it. Afterwards he could talk about it if he's narcissistic enough to need that. Now he's basically telling his partners in crime "look out, I may have to say a little bit about you, lie low for the next couple of months".
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 02, 2013, 17:43
Was just reading the convulsions from Flanders on cn, when I read this

RadioShack startle with strength in depth

While Fabian Cancellara’s strength has never been in doubt, the ability of his team has been questioned ever since he left the Bjarne Riis stable to join the nascent Leopard project in 2011. That spring, Cancellara was left isolated and frustrated in the finale of both the Tour of Flanders and Paris-Roubaix, and as recently as Friday afternoon, manager Luca Guercilena admitting to reporters that his team was not as strong as the likes of BMC and Omega Pharma-QuickStep.On Sunday, however, RadioShack pulled out a surprisingly committed collective performance.

Hayden Roulston put in a mammoth stint on the front of the peloton on the first circuit of the Kwaremont-Paterberg circuit but Stijn Devolder’s showing ahead of the finale was particularly remarkable.Devolder had reportedly travelled to Spain for a mini training camp during the week and he showed the fruits of the trip by sitting at the front of the bunch and controlling affairs ahead of the final circuit over the Kwaremont and Paterberg. The Belgian’s display was all the more striking given that he had punctured shortly beforehand and had to give chase alone.



Alarms bells went off  :rolleye
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 03, 2013, 10:06
smart phone app for WADA Adams -  http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-to-offer-smartphone-app-for-athlete-whereabouts-reporting/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=wada-to-offer-smartphone-app-for-athlete-whereabouts-reporting (http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-to-offer-smartphone-app-for-athlete-whereabouts-reporting/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=wada-to-offer-smartphone-app-for-athlete-whereabouts-reporting)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 06, 2013, 20:23
http://www.elcorreo.com/vizcaya/20130406/deportes/mas-deporte/ruso-euskaltel-aleksandr-serebriakov-201304062025.html (http://www.elcorreo.com/vizcaya/20130406/deportes/mas-deporte/ruso-euskaltel-aleksandr-serebriakov-201304062025.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on April 06, 2013, 20:55
smart phone app for WADA Adams -  http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-to-offer-smartphone-app-for-athlete-whereabouts-reporting/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=wada-to-offer-smartphone-app-for-athlete-whereabouts-reporting (http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-to-offer-smartphone-app-for-athlete-whereabouts-reporting/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=wada-to-offer-smartphone-app-for-athlete-whereabouts-reporting)

interestingly, they just say it will be for reporting on.. why dont they use the built in gps in smartphones and use that..

be like foursquare :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 06, 2013, 21:11
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22047144 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22047144)

Dillian Whyte: Scapegoat for sport’s supplement generation?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 06, 2013, 21:53
Doping in rugby as bad as cycling, says ex-hooker

http://www.sportlive.co.za/rugby/morerugby/2013/04/06/doping-in-rugby-as-bad-as-cycling-says-ex-hooker (http://www.sportlive.co.za/rugby/morerugby/2013/04/06/doping-in-rugby-as-bad-as-cycling-says-ex-hooker)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 08, 2013, 13:05
http://www.elcorreo.com/vizcaya/20130406/deportes/mas-deporte/ruso-euskaltel-aleksandr-serebriakov-201304062025.html (http://www.elcorreo.com/vizcaya/20130406/deportes/mas-deporte/ruso-euskaltel-aleksandr-serebriakov-201304062025.html)

UCI confirms Alexander Serebryakov’s positive test was for EPO

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14323/UCI-confirms-Alexander-Serebryakovs-positive-test-was-for-EPO.aspx#ixzz2PsAYkBfr (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14323/UCI-confirms-Alexander-Serebryakovs-positive-test-was-for-EPO.aspx#ixzz2PsAYkBfr)

(http://news.velonation.com/Men/Road/Sa_Sl/2012/Feature/original/Serebryakov_Aleksandr_TT1_12-1F.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 08, 2013, 14:02
Former Armstrong teammate Kjaergaard escapes doping sanctions (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/news/former-armstrong-teammate-kjaergaard-escapes-doping-sanctions_281205)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 08, 2013, 15:17
Brian Holm believes that 95 % of the riders in this year's Tour de France will be clean: http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE1939735/brian-holm-i-tour-feltet-2013-vil-mindst-95-procent-af-rytterne-vaere-rene/ (http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE1939735/brian-holm-i-tour-feltet-2013-vil-mindst-95-procent-af-rytterne-vaere-rene/) …
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 09, 2013, 13:06
(http://news.velonation.com/Misc/Featured/original/WADALogo-2F.jpg)

WADA states GW501516 doping cases are ongoing, won’t comment further

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14331/WADA-states-GW501516-doping-cases-are-ongoing-wont-comment-further.aspx#ixzz2Py1lGuvc (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14331/WADA-states-GW501516-doping-cases-are-ongoing-wont-comment-further.aspx#ixzz2Py1lGuvc)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 09, 2013, 15:20
http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/04/06/les-saisies-de-produits-dopants-en-legere-baisse_3155341_3242.html (http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/04/06/les-saisies-de-produits-dopants-en-legere-baisse_3155341_3242.html)

Le Monde reports that doping product seizures in 2012 were slightly down on 2011 figures.

Among the more notable hauls, a total of 73,182 doses of HGH were taken in a single seizure at Charles De Gaulle Airport.

Where the gear comes from:

RankCountry%
1Thailand54.6%
2Greece7.6%
3Slovakia6.87%

Of the top 10 countries through which the dope is trafficked, six are EU countries. Germany and Belgium have good customs teams but remain heavy targets. Moldavia and Romania meanwhile are softer touches.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 10, 2013, 09:04
Universal Sports Announcers Lose Their Minds at Vuelta al Pais Vasco
Suggest Quintana's Vasco win was "out of nowhere" and insinuate doping

http://www.podiumcafe.com/2013/4/10/4206558/message-to-universal-sports-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you (http://www.podiumcafe.com/2013/4/10/4206558/message-to-universal-sports-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 10, 2013, 10:59
Universal Sports Announcers Lose Their Minds at Vuelta al Pais Vasco
Suggest Quintana's Vasco win was "out of nowhere" and insinuate doping

http://www.podiumcafe.com/2013/4/10/4206558/message-to-universal-sports-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you (http://www.podiumcafe.com/2013/4/10/4206558/message-to-universal-sports-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you)

1st I agree with most of the comments that they fliped up big time, but I have an issue with something

You tweeted larri, over the last 20 years or longer we the public have been calling for commentators to take public stance against doping, not ignoring the massive pink elephant who just took a dump in the corner.

They may have called out the wrong guy, time will tell, but as corrections go it is a standard over correction from the usps days , but not a bad thing in many respects .

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 10, 2013, 11:18
1st I agree with most of the comments that they fliped up big time, but I have an issue with something

You tweeted larri, over the last 20 years or longer we the public have been calling for commentators to take public stance against doping, not ignoring the massive pink elephant who just took a dump in the corner.

They may have called out the wrong guy, time will tell, but as corrections go it is a standard over correction from the usps days , but not a bad thing in many respects .

The way for commentators to take a public stance about doping is to talk about facts, about the history and about what is currently in the news. Making the news themselves with foolish, hastily-conceived suspicions is definitely a bad thing.

There is no Team Immaculate Conception in top level pro cycling today. Fact. Doping did not begin and end with USPS and should not therefore be viewed exclusively through that prism just because you are addressing a predominantly Anglo public. Fact. History tells us that sometimes the riders we support have bought into the Dark Side. Fact. But that is a long, long way from looking at a young man who, just because you do zero research, can't speak Spanish and depend on your pompous, self-satisfied fluffball of pro racing experience from 20+ years ago, must therefore be doping.

I was a bit surprised by his TT result though not to the extreme of assuming Quintana was doping. But then again, I didn't go on national cable TV (or whatever it is) and tell hundreds of thousands of people that what he did was questionable. And besides, it doesn't overly matter what I think. There aren't too many people I can pollute with my ignorance.

Taking a stance is not insinuating that someone is a doper.
Insinuating that someone is a doper without any factual basis is irresponsible.
Irresponsible commentary undermines reputations.
Reputations in cycling are very fragile.
A fragile sport is not a healthy sport.

Perhaps I wouldn't be so incensed if this wasn't the channel that sipped the Lance flavoured Kool Aid for over 15 years. If it wasn't the channel that still namedrops the Texan at any tangential opportunity.

Meanwhile, I am personally sick of hearing these journos and self-important experts telling "the bloggers" to wind in their heads whenever people call out unprofessionalism from industry and old media. This is nothing more than cause and effect.

We live in a time when the public can talk back. When people can be held to account before public opinion. Who's whining now?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 10, 2013, 11:29
Not disagreeing with you larri, but still not the massive whohar , as I said they fliped up, but I would rather doping is discussed than not at all.

Yes Ofc it should be done in the correct way and these 2 did not, but as I said not all bad
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 10, 2013, 12:09
to expand a bit

we can have no doping talk from commentators just discussions of racing and a few bits and bobs about the local attractions

or

we can full blown twitter/forum like doping discussions

or
we can have Harmon type bullsh*t talking a big game after they are found gulity and a few stupid comments about riders he does not like.

or
we can have educated and factual discussions

but to get the last we must have a few mistakes. NBC and those 2 fliped up but rather than calling them out in a agressive way why not try and educate them, they should know better I here you all say

sure they should but how many expert cycling commentators are there really most are from other sports
 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 10, 2013, 13:07
http://inrng.com/2013/04/the-dark-side-of-the-moon/ (http://inrng.com/2013/04/the-dark-side-of-the-moon/)

inrng blog on the matter
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 10, 2013, 13:22
... NBC and those 2 fliped up but rather than calling them out in a agressive way why not try and educate them, they should know better I here you all say

sure they should but how many expert cycling commentators are there really most are from other sports

Why not try to educate them? They're not supposed to need education. Indeed, they're even supposed to educate us. That's why Kelly gets the gig at Eurosport when he would be better suited to doing audiobooks of James Joyce novels.

Even a fool like me knows that Quintana did not "come from nowhere". Casual fans might not care so much, but that makes it even more important not to insinuate that some riders are dopers. Casual fans will take your word for it and last time I checked, TV commentary was not filed under popular fiction.

Don't renew their contracts. Then they will work harder for their next job while we will get to listen to someone else who may not have spent a single season riding for Motorola but who could be a lot better commentator.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 10, 2013, 13:49
This will get nowhere as we are arguing different things

You this 1 thing me cycling commentators as a group.

I have already said they made a mistake , maybe no one can say for sure

But if there was more open discussion it would be better and in my opinion some discussion is better than not, your man Kelly a prime example.

But I will leave it as we are not on the same discussion page as I said they fliped up.

As an aside we should be educating commentators while they should know better most do not.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on April 10, 2013, 14:00
Clearly these two guys are clueless, out of touch, and ignorant..

everyone knows if you are going to call someone out make sure its a sky rider. :D And do it the harmon way, just call performances "remarkable". Everyone will just nudge each other, wink and carry on their day.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 10, 2013, 14:48
The Alpe climing times top 100 (http://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/showthread.php?38129-Ammattilaispy%F6r%E4ilij%F6iden-nousutietoja-%28aika-km-h-VAM-W-W-kg-etc-%29&p=2004795#post2004795)
no new times since 2006 fwiw
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on April 10, 2013, 14:56
1st I agree with most of the comments that they fli

ped up big time, but I have an issue with something

You tweeted larri, over the last 20 years or longer we the public have been calling for commentators to take public stance against doping, not ignoring the massive pink elephant who just took a dump in the corner.

They may have called out the wrong guy, time will tell, but as corrections go it is a standard over correction from the usps days , but not a bad thing in many respects .

The thing is, the only people ever called out are yellow-brown skilled athletes from far away countries. BBC also had their Quintana moment. Surprise surprise it was a algerian middle distance runner no one knows. We're disgusted that he was so.obviously getting away with doping. The British Jamaican or us athletes though, even if they are shattering world records, don't you dare say a word about them . Similarly the US coach went after the Chinese swimmer. Of course the American ones winning half the gold medals in the pool was perfectly all right. Now we see some dickhead calling out the most talented young rider in a generation for winning a week race. Who just happens to be Colombian mestizo. Far more suspicious performances are unquestioned.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 10, 2013, 14:59
The thing is, the only people ever called out are yellow-brown skilled athletes from far away countries. BBC also had their Quintana moment. Surprise surprise it was a algerian middle distance runner no one knows. We're disgusted that he was so.obviously getting away with doping. The British Jamaican or us athletes though, even if they are shattering world records, don't you dare say a word about them . Similarly the US coach went after the Chinese swimmer. Of course the American ones winning half the gold medals in the pool was perfectly all right. Now we see some dickhead calling out the most talented young rider in a generation for winning a week race. Who just happens to be Colombian mestizo. Far more suspicious performances are unquestioned.

I agree and also wonder if twitter would have exploded if Porte had of won and been called out

not likely these guys would have been hero´s

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on April 10, 2013, 15:16
I agree and also wonder if twitter would have exploded if Porte had of won and been called out

not likely these guys would have been hero´s

Well the outrage was that they said he came out of nowhere. And that would have been far more true of Wiggins 09, froome 11 and Richie Porte pn than it would of nairito.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 10, 2013, 15:17
Well the outrage was that they said he came out of nowhere. And that would have been far more true of Wiggins 09, froome 11 and Richie Porte pn than it would of nairito.

I know I said as much hours ago - not what I am arguing
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 10, 2013, 15:30
I know I said as much hours ago - not what I am arguing

:hug
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on April 10, 2013, 15:49
I know I said as much hours ago - not what I am arguing

Yes there would have been far less outrage on twitter if they used the d word for a sky rider. Or at least ill take your word for it, since i dont go on twitter much but i can guess what crowd you are talking about - the hog and that (though ive seen some wackjobs on the other side too)

What can I say though, its not my opinion. I think they are wrong and one needs to be consistent on these things. Which is the same as the commentators. Apply the same standards to everyone be it,- innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent, same should go for everyone.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on April 10, 2013, 16:07
Well the outrage was that they said he came out of nowhere.

I do not support those nbc guys, but what they said was timetrial-related, that's something you have to keep in mind
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on April 10, 2013, 16:39
Yep as Search says it could draw parallels with Basso when he was doped up etc.

At the same time such insinuations are daft and you would expect to find elsewhere, not by commentators to the public.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Arb on April 10, 2013, 16:47
I do not support those nbc guys, but what they said was timetrial-related, that's something you have to keep in mind

They still messed up either way. For some reason they had never seen Quintana's climbing performances before, or they misread the route assuming it was actually a flat ITT (even if you didn't look at the profile, 6 of the top10 not specialists).

I don't care so much that they accused someone of doping, rather another example of commentators knowing nothing about the sport they call  :S
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 10, 2013, 22:39
Yep as Search says it could draw parallels with Basso when he was doped up etc.

At the same time such insinuations are daft and you would expect to find elsewhere, not by commentators to the public.

How? explain it to me like i am a 2 year old.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on April 11, 2013, 03:36
I think if commentators are going to call out riders, or imply that they have questions about their results, they have a responsibility to do that in a way that is factual.

If they were to mention some of his results to back up this supposition then I wouldn't have so much of a problem.  If they were to suggest stuff in a well thought out manner - after considering such things as ...oh I dont know ... the conditions maybe - then perhaps I would give them a pass for making mistakes.

But to make allegations or suggestions about a rider they know next to nothing about in that kind of manner - its really not good enough.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 11, 2013, 08:14
Third year pro Valery Kaikov tests positive in an out-of-competition test for an unknown banned substance:

http://www.rusvelo.ch/the-official-statement-from-rusvelo-team/ (http://www.rusvelo.ch/the-official-statement-from-rusvelo-team/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Arb on April 11, 2013, 08:15
Ffs I got the team right...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 11, 2013, 09:32
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Yes, folks, it's a real magazine, not a joke. Here's a nice preview:

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Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Zam on April 11, 2013, 09:57
Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound 1m
SA cyclist Seyffert tests positive for obesity med Phentermine
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on April 11, 2013, 14:01
Third year pro Valery Kaikov tests positive in an out-of-competition test for an unknown banned substance:

http://www.rusvelo.ch/the-official-statement-from-rusvelo-team/ (http://www.rusvelo.ch/the-official-statement-from-rusvelo-team/)

GW1516 it is, that's interesting
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on April 11, 2013, 22:41
For those who missed it, our old friend Ryo Hazuki commenting on youtube in response to the bozo commentators

Quote
I stopped listening after 30 seconds. I hope both of these clowns die a horrible death, no joking. quintana has always been clean and a mega talent since junior age. he was also national u23 itt champion when he was just 18 years old!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 11, 2013, 22:43
Bassons has got his "Tony tough" groove on in today's Le Monde:

(http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2012/12/11/534x267/1804798_3_8695_christophe-bassons-chez-lui-pres-de-bordeaux_fb4d6740de69ffa1b08fe25c986eab06.jpg)

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/04/11/le-combat-sans-fin-du-heros-de-l-antidopage_3158571_3242.html (http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/04/11/le-combat-sans-fin-du-heros-de-l-antidopage_3158571_3242.html)

Quote
The eternal fight of the anti-doping hero

The lawyers Jean-Christophe Lapouble and Philippe Veber know well enough that these days, even a Finance Minister can be guilty of tax fraud [a reference to Jérôme Cahuzac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A9r%C3%B4me_Cahuzac) - L'arri], but they still don't get the paradox that befalls their client. How could it be that Christophe Bassons, - cycling's symbol of anti-doping, who got such a tough time in the peloton that it brought about the end of his career in the early 2000s, and who's now busy with the doping controls of the AFLD in Aquitaine where he has been a representative since 2002 - should now himself be punished for breaking the anti-doping rules? It's to put at end to this "aberration" that Christophe Bassons, backed by his two lawyers, now presents himself before AFLD disciplinary commission on Thursday in Paris.

On October 20, 2012, the 38 year old from the Tarn region learned in a letter that he'd been suspended by the French Cycling Federation (FFC) for failing to appear at a doping control on September 1, following the MTB national championship marathon race at Langon (Ille-et-Vilaine). The rider had recently returned to his first love, the mountain bike, in 2011, ten years after retiring from professional cycling. Two months later, on appeal, the penality had been reduced to a month, a verdict that still didn't satisfy Christophe Bassons, who fully intends to get himself acquitted.

The stubbornness of a federation

On Thursday, before the AFLD bosses, the rider repeated the course of events of that infamous September 1. After more than three hours of racing, Bassons, in an hypoglycaemic state, abandoned 20km from the finish. He gave his name and race number to an official marshal, who notified his abandon to the race director. Without passing the finish area, Bassons went back to his car, parked not far from where he'd dropped out, went for a shower, got in the car, bought some sustenance at a bakery in the nearby village, and headed back towards Bordeaux, where he lives. Two hours later, while passing through the Vendée region, he got a 'phone call from the race organisers that he'd been selected for a doping control for which he should appear within the next half hour. The cyclist explain that he was by now too far from Langon but the line was poor and the rider wasn't sure that the person at the other end had properly heard him. Then the battery on his phone gave out. He decided to go home to Bordeaux anyway where he learned, two days later, that a violation had been noted which led some weeks later to the one-year suspension.

Christophe Bassons accepts he was negligent for not going to the finish zone to check if his name was on the list of riders to control, but he considered himself to have proven that he had acted in good faith and that he had not in any case tried deliberately to duck the control. Furthermore, he underlined several times the severity of his punishment in comparison to other cases in which a year ban was handed out, such as one in which a rider was seen to throw his convocation notice on the ground and refuse to do the test.

"They want to make Christophe Bassons pay for all the fighting against doping that he's done over the years," assured his lawyers, who denounced the stubbornness of a federation which has never been willing to listen to their client's side of the story. Bassons himself can't hide his weariness: "I'm sick of it. I have to live permanently with this saga and it makes me look stupid. It brings back bad memories. Whenever I'm asked a question about it, it puts me on edge. I've sacrificed my career and 15 years on, I'm still falling down." The AFLD will give its verdict "in three to four weeks' time".
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 15, 2013, 16:48
@fmk_rol

Looks the the history of testing

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/anti-doping-testing-evolution-in-sport (http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/anti-doping-testing-evolution-in-sport)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 18, 2013, 07:41
Fleche Wallonne: The Mur - 2013 vs 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YKBD-AaBfc#ws)

watched this and though jesus then released 1994 was the not the finish , but whatever 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 18, 2013, 08:20
Fleche Wallonne: The Mur - 2013 vs 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YKBD-AaBfc#ws)

watched this and though jesus then released 1994 was the not the finish , but whatever

In 1994 they look slower (;)) but that's probably just down to bigger gears. :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 18, 2013, 08:22
In 1994 they look slower (;)) but that's probably just down to bigger gears. :D

 if you pick out corners and landmarks as I did  :P makes for interesting viewing , not worth a big bucket of sh*t really but .... 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 18, 2013, 08:25
Quote from: just some guy
watched this and though jesus then released 1994 was the not the finish , but whatever

If FtP writes the longest posts, yours are definitely the most cryptic.  :lol :lol :lol

Are you saying then that you think 1994 looks ridiculous in comparison with yesterday? I didn't think it was that obvious from the video but what do I know? And isn't that the first of two runs up the Mur de Huy in the 1994 video? Presumably, the Gee Whizzers could afford to sit up with a big gap and pretend to "drop" their third man (who still finished third). Was that Berzin or Furlan who got "dropped"? I forget now. EDIT: it was Berzin.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 18, 2013, 08:28
If FtP writes the longest posts, yours are definitely the most cryptic. Are you saying then that you think 1994 looks ridiculous in comparison with yesterday? I didn't think it was that obvious from the video but what do I know? And isn't that the first time up the Mur de Huy in the video?

point 1. - no 1994 looks slower -

point 2. as I said released 94 was not the finish , but yes 1st time up

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 18, 2013, 08:29
point 1. - no 1994 looks slower -

point 2. as I said released 94 was not the finish , but yes 1st time up

My dear JSG, how I wish you could just have said that ^^^ the first time.  :lol :lol :lol :hug
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on April 18, 2013, 23:22
Not sure of the circumstances yet, but ciclismo2005 is no more.

Both the blog and the twitter account have been deleted. the last article covered Brabantse Pijl and made reference to Sagan being managed by Lombardi. Apparently there were mentions in the comments of unconfirmed reports that Sagan visited Bruyneel before the race.

Ive dropped sergio a line, but its all very weird.

For those that like these sort of things there is an archive of teh full blog here> https://mega.co.nz/#!RIAR3QrB!Rn7MQ8oc6RkmAXEP_SaEseTv19_k2zIB3YZpmXh53PU
but this does not include comments.. there is a file doing the rounds but its 20gb in size
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 19, 2013, 08:55
Not sure of the circumstances yet, but ciclismo2005 is no more.

Both the blog and the twitter account have been deleted. the last article covered Brabantse Pijl and made reference to Sagan being managed by Lombardi. Apparently there were mentions in the comments of unconfirmed reports that Sagan visited Bruyneel before the race.

Ive dropped sergio a line, but its all very weird.

For those that like these sort of things there is an archive of teh full blog here> https://mega.co.nz/#!RIAR3QrB!Rn7MQ8oc6RkmAXEP_SaEseTv19_k2zIB3YZpmXh53PU
but this does not include comments.. there is a file doing the rounds but its 20gb in size

What the funk? Closing all accounts is one thing, but not giving any reasons when you have such a big audience makes it a bit strange. Sergio doesn't owe anybody anything of course, it's just surprising. He was hardly a lone voice in the wilderness. Hope he's OK. Let us know if you hear back, Dim.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on April 19, 2013, 13:57
What the funk? Closing all accounts is one thing, but not giving any reasons when you have such a big audience makes it a bit strange. Sergio doesn't owe anybody anything of course, it's just surprising. He was hardly a lone voice in the wilderness. Hope he's OK. Let us know if you hear back, Dim.

The blog is back in full with comments, on a belgian host.
The new address is http://ciclismo2005.blogspot.be (http://ciclismo2005.blogspot.be)

(Worth having a read on the comments about Sagan visiting Bruyneel ;) http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10551045&postID=3006667283087540858 (http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10551045&postID=3006667283087540858)
Notably Sagan heading to Madrid and meeting at Bruyneels house.. Madrid was a fair old trip for Sagan from where he wanted to be.. And meeting at Johanns house.. Huge alarm bells ringing..

Had a mail back from Sergio today, hes taking a break.. But hes fine..

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 21, 2013, 06:41
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/news/kreuziger-refuses-to-answer-questions-on-ferrari-and-ties-to-doping_283041 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/news/kreuziger-refuses-to-answer-questions-on-ferrari-and-ties-to-doping_283041)

So will not discuss now , but after Romandie. Seems there is a statement on the way.

My guess I used him as a trainer only and did not dope.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: esafosfina on April 21, 2013, 08:49
Brilliant... just what we need right now: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-anaemia-pill-idUSBRE93I0GH20130419 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-anaemia-pill-idUSBRE93I0GH20130419)

The question that beggars answer is: "Is this being abused already?" :(
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: sublimit on April 21, 2013, 09:04
Indeed,  not a good pill if you suffer from vertigo though. :cheesy
I wonder what the effect would be if you already train at 5000 feet. 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 21, 2013, 10:15
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/news/kreuziger-refuses-to-answer-questions-on-ferrari-and-ties-to-doping_283041 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/news/kreuziger-refuses-to-answer-questions-on-ferrari-and-ties-to-doping_283041)

So will not discuss now , but after Romandie. Seems there is a statement on the way.

My guess I used him as a trainer only and did not dope.

Anybody who think Ferarri is no longer working with athletes are only kidding themselves.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 21, 2013, 10:57
Brilliant... just what we need right now: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-anaemia-pill-idUSBRE93I0GH20130419 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-anaemia-pill-idUSBRE93I0GH20130419)

The question that beggars answer is: "Is this being abused already?" :(

You would have to think so - if the receipt can be obtained then the black market will produce it fast
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on April 21, 2013, 19:54
You would have to think so - if the receipt can be obtained then the black market will produce it fast

I think you mean recipe  :lol

But yes, once someone gets hold of it, it can be manufactured like 'the clean' in any backroom lab.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on April 23, 2013, 00:44
Quick plug for a mate of mine. Due out on June 7th, this is no ordinary Tour de France glossy preview magazine:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHjpKDNCAAAV4PG.png:large)

http://www.alternativeditions.com/ (http://www.alternativeditions.com/)
https://twitter.com/lapreuvepar21 (https://twitter.com/lapreuvepar21)

Yes, folks, it's a real magazine, not a joke. Here's a nice preview:

http://en.calameo.com/read/0009252827ad495f0132d?authid=9U40diNbhpKW (http://en.calameo.com/read/0009252827ad495f0132d?authid=9U40diNbhpKW)

Thanks for sharing. Looks interesting!

I've shared it around on the cyclingtips news.. will give it a read for sure
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 23, 2013, 07:46
Mainly US based and Armstrong but also concerns the UCI

Betsy , LeMonds Bill Bock Edit starts after 38 min no idea why -

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 23, 2013, 10:22
and the sound is terrible might watch more of it later
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 23, 2013, 11:20
(http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/images/2013/04/blogs/game-theory/20130420_blp514_0.jpg)

Corruption in sport
Market-driven morality (http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2013/04/corruption-sport-0)

not sure I would call it Morality driven just marketing tbh

Every time CCN is mentioned so is Skins if not by the author then by Fuller - clever and very devious but for most people the surface picture is enough - so they buy the product

Me I am looking at 2xu  ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 23, 2013, 21:15
Jetse Bol ‏@JetseBol 1h
Quote of the day; last years qstage winner (who got busted on epo) said the night before the stage "IF I WAKE UP, i gonna win tomorrow..

 :rolleye
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 24, 2013, 10:30
http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/oxygen-in-a-pill-the-next-big-thing-in-sports-doping/ (http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/oxygen-in-a-pill-the-next-big-thing-in-sports-doping/)

FG-4592/ASP1517

Already on the black market
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 25, 2013, 09:37
Nice blog by Crankpunk

a slightly over-impassioned response to a message that i probably shouldn’t post, but what the hell (http://crankpunk.com/2013/04/25/a-slightly-over-impassioned-response-to-a-message-that-i-probably-shouldnt-post-but-what-the-hell/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on April 25, 2013, 09:52
beat me to it!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 25, 2013, 09:53
beat me to it!

 :P

 :lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 26, 2013, 19:36
After Sayar's full-retard win today...


Lotsa schadenfreude about this twoyt but I think it should be encouraged.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: BadbrainAJ on April 28, 2013, 23:25
posted here for info,not joining the dots.... Tour of Algeria in 2013: Suspected doping three foreign cyclists (in french ) http://www.facyclisme.dz/news/Tour-d%E2%80%99Alg%C3%A9rie-2013-Suspicion-de-dopage-sur-trois-cyclistes-%C3%A9trangers (http://www.facyclisme.dz/news/Tour-d%E2%80%99Alg%C3%A9rie-2013-Suspicion-de-dopage-sur-trois-cyclistes-%C3%A9trangers) and the Results of said race http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/1176121-Tour-d-Algerie-2013 (http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/1176121-Tour-d-Algerie-2013)  :rolleye
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on April 28, 2013, 23:55
Quote
the fight against this scourge will not waver.  Any cheater will be flushed punished and banished forever from any competition on Algerian soil.

Banished.. Love it.. :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on April 29, 2013, 01:35
Algeria is  of course the home country of the 1500m olympic champion Talik Makhloufi, who the BBC and pretty much everyone else in the British media openly called out as a doper on the basis that his skin colour wasn't white or black, and he didn't speak english.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 29, 2013, 10:34
Seems this Algérie news has been kicking around since at least April 18th. Presumably these results are not applicable at UCI level then...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 01, 2013, 13:54
In a recent turn of events, it seems that Werner Franke, the German anti-doping campaigner, has now filed a complaint against Gerolsteiner's former doctors Mark Schmidt and Ernst Jakob for breaking laws on drugs control, treatment of the body and issuing false prescriptions:

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/cyclisme/article/432893/plainte-de-werner-franke-contre-les-anciens-medecins-de-gerolsteiner.html (FR)
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/cnt/DMF20130430_00561660 (NL)
http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Sport/article/detail/3434090/2013/04/30/Klacht-tegen-voormalig-Gerolsteiner-artsen.dhtml (NL)
http://www.t-online.de/sport/radsport/id_63183144/franke-zeigt-ehemalige-gerolsteiner-teamaerzte-an.html (DE)
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/sportpolitik/doping/doping-prozess-franke-zeigt-teamaerzte-an-12167946.html (DE)

No English sources as yet that I've found.

Vengeance, it would seem, is Franke's...  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on May 01, 2013, 14:03
Werner Franke (famous anti-doping spokesman) and Andreas Franke (the doctor who treated Kittel and Steigmiller) are two different persons, l'arri
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 01, 2013, 15:40
Werner Franke (famous anti-doping spokesman) and Andreas Franke (the doctor who treated Kittel and Steigmiller) are two different persons, l'arri

Sorry, search. I was away watching Dunkirk. Came back and I just saw a photo while looking for some more sources and I said to myself 'funny, that looks like Werner Franke, the anti-doping guy, oh wait..."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 03, 2013, 08:40
Bassons has got his "Tony tough" groove on in today's Le Monde:

(http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2012/12/11/534x267/1804798_3_8695_christophe-bassons-chez-lui-pres-de-bordeaux_fb4d6740de69ffa1b08fe25c986eab06.jpg)

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/04/11/le-combat-sans-fin-du-heros-de-l-antidopage_3158571_3242.html (http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/04/11/le-combat-sans-fin-du-heros-de-l-antidopage_3158571_3242.html)

Bassons' appeal before the AFLD was successful:

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/sport/dopage-christophe-bassons-totalement-blanchi_1245909.html

The news came from the former pro himself rather than the FFC (the French cycling authority). ;)

According to the AFLD, the FFC failed to notify the rider in writing and a telephone call was therefore insufficient.

Ironically, points out the article and not without relish, Bassons finished tenth in a UCI race last weekend and qualified for the World Championships, in which he will have to wear an official FFC national jersey.  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 03, 2013, 08:50
(http://images.smh.com.au/2013/05/03/4243389/----aaawhite-20130503173307290391-620x349.jpg)

Matt White receives six-month ban for doping (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/matt-white-receives-sixmonth-ban-for-doping-20130503-2iy7z.html)

But with the ban dating back to October 13, the suspension had passed by April 13 - meaning that he can now seek to continue his career in cycling as a sports director if a team wishes to sign him up.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 03, 2013, 09:14
(http://images.smh.com.au/2013/05/03/4243389/----aaawhite-20130503173307290391-620x349.jpg)

Matt White receives six-month ban for doping (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/matt-white-receives-sixmonth-ban-for-doping-20130503-2iy7z.html)

But with the ban dating back to October 13, the suspension had passed by April 13 - meaning that he can now seek to continue his career in cycling as a sports director if a team wishes to sign him up.

Way to go Aus cycling for keeping this on the down low. Never knew he'd been banned - was it public knowledge?

EDIT: CN quotes him saying he only found out himself in a letter last week.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/matt-white-completes-six-month-anti-doping-ban

Wish my bank was as tardy as that with its official correspondance.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on May 03, 2013, 10:26
lol - so not only are they backdating bans, they are not even bothering to tell the rider/manager that he was banned for x time

:fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 04, 2013, 20:55
Rival teams try to lure White (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/cycling/rival-teams-try-to-lure-white-20130504-2j06t.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 05, 2013, 11:20
Martin, Kittel, Degenkolb issue joint statement
Riders say none of them has ever doped and never will; ask for public confidence and better laws

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/mehr-sport/radprofis-im-gespraech-wir-brauchen-ein-anti-doping-gesetz-12172587.html (DE)

Quote
Since you're riding in the peloton, do you ever have suspicions that a competitor has made ​​a strange leap in performance?

Kittel: Of course. There's a really recent example of the Tour of Turkey: a Turk came second to last last year and this year he has won. You can put two and two together. I won the first stage and the leader's jersey, the Turk had the mountain jersey and he stood next to me at the start of the second stage, and I looked at him and thought, man, either there are damned big mosquitos in Turkey, or something on his arm is funny - there were certainly quite a few puncture marks. But this is perhaps a good sign that it's so obvious when a rider makes such a stark jump in power, perhaps it means that the whole field is moving at a relatively normal level. That would probably not noticed in earlier times.

Kittel is emotive, Degenkolb very proper and forthright and Martin a little more circumspect. Nice interview.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 05, 2013, 15:22
Haven't read the whole thing yet, but Kittel should think better before dissing another rider (even when it's probably legitimate).
The mountain jersey was Grechyn, not Sayar.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 05, 2013, 16:48
Read it now.
Having read the part about Sayar again, I've realized Kittel talks about the start of stage 2 - where Sayar was in the mountain jersey. My bad.
I feel Kittel's answers are the well-known soundbites. Races too hard, making a cut at 2007 etc... Sounds like he's just regurgitating what others told him to say.

But it's good that they do a thing like this, and in a mainstream paper like the FAZ. The first reader comments (of course it's never a representative cross-section making these comments) don't make me very hopeful that the general stance in Germany will change soon, though.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on May 05, 2013, 16:51
there was a whole page dedicated to in today in the print issue, so that was pretty big for a cycling related topic
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 06, 2013, 08:11
(http://images.smh.com.au/2013/05/03/4243389/----aaawhite-20130503173307290391-620x349.jpg)

Matt White receives six-month ban for doping (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/matt-white-receives-sixmonth-ban-for-doping-20130503-2iy7z.html)

But with the ban dating back to October 13, the suspension had passed by April 13 - meaning that he can now seek to continue his career in cycling as a sports director if a team wishes to sign him up.



Thanks toe Arbs for the heads up

Best interview so far , some stupid questions ie asking what you think of this rider and that after white has said not going to discuss

zero tolerance = zero progress , well said

anyway watch I would suggest
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 06, 2013, 10:37
Definitely a good interview. I can reiterate what just some guy said: Watch it!

He makes some good points, and if he's honest I think he's one of the "persons with a past" that could (should?) be involved in cycling in the future.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: esafosfina on May 06, 2013, 20:46
I'm not making excuses for Whitey... he made some bad errors of judgement, but he's always been a good mate and a decent guy. Good interview etc...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 06, 2013, 21:58
OK, I've watched it at last. Good to here that they aired that Trent Lowe business, something with which I have never been very happy.

I do wish he would have said something about why his decision to dope was wrong.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on May 07, 2013, 11:24
about Pieter Vanspeybrouck's ongoing 3 month suspension, from today's Het Nieuwsblad (gt):

Quote
Tested negative, still suspended

Pieter Vanspeybrouck (Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise) is suspended for three months. Because of doping. Or because he was too honest. An audit out of competition proved negative, but Vanspeybrouck told himself that he had used the banned product Duovent, that the team doctor had prescribed. "I screwed myself."

Renner. Doping. Disclaimer. You know now how it goes, but maybe just read the story of Peter Vanspeyborouck (Topsport Vlaanderen-Baloise) until the end. Because not everyone who is serving a suspension, is therefore a sinner. "I have been too honest" says Vanspeybrouck. "I just did what I always do: follow the rules," And then with a sigh: "I screwed myself. In late February Vanspeybrouck visit a physician control of the Flemish Community. Received "At six o'clock in the morning," he says. "The agreement is that you List on what medication you have used before. So that's why I said Duovent. I got that product from the team doctor on stage in Calpe. "This internship took place in January. "I was there when I asked the team doctor for the product Ventolin" says Vanspeybrouck. "I use that product my whole career." Ventolin is a 'puffer' that opens the airways and therefore is quite popular in the peloton. It used the product a 'TTN' (therapeutic use exemption) necessary, but now no longer. "At the time I have to undergo to prove that I really need the product testing," says Vanspeybrouck. "I take Ventolin certainly not just. 'Problem is that he gets on stage no Ventolin of the team doctor, but the conscious Duovent. Exact same product, says the doctor. "He assured me that there was no problem," said Vanspeybrouck. "And you believe a team doctor at his word." The rider is therefore completely innocent when the control doctor 'confesses' he used to have. Duovent "But this man told me once that I needed a certificate for it. I fell from the sky. I called the team and that the famous doctor blame. He did not know Duovent contained banned substances. "

Prohibited substance called fenoterol, but what appears after the check: the analysis of the urine sample is negative. But get Vanspeybrouck half months later in a letter stating that he should appear. Before the disciplinary committee of the federation Because he himself 'known' so. "Should I be mad at myself?" Asks Vanspeybrouck. "I've said it yourself shows that I have acted. Really good faith At the next check I'm doing the same thing. "

The conclusion is that today Vanspeybrouck three months suspended. A minimum penalty, because the disciplinary committee understands that there is no deception. "But I still like three months long. I lost my spring and I have myself not to blame. "The team doctor in question immediately resigned yesterday and did not respond. 'Unacceptable is too big a word, "says Vanspeybrouck. "But for me this is very heavy. I have been in a serious slump, but am now back in training. With extra motivation. You'll see from May 30, the day when I can cycle again. "
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: esafosfina on May 08, 2013, 14:58
Dunno if this has been posted yet... just got it off Facebook...

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/anthony-tan/blog/127762/v-lo-files-open-letter-to-whitey
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 09, 2013, 20:30
This seems very interesting

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20130508/mas-deporte/operacion-puerto-antidopaje-ana-munoz_54373315371.html (http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20130508/mas-deporte/operacion-puerto-antidopaje-ana-munoz_54373315371.html)

if blood bags not released 50 cases to be reopened
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on May 16, 2013, 16:50
Kreuziger admits being Ferrari Client. Denies doping
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/538453/roman-kreuziger-admits-working-with-banned-dr-ferrari.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 16, 2013, 16:51
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/news/kreuziger-refuses-to-answer-questions-on-ferrari-and-ties-to-doping_283041 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/04/news/kreuziger-refuses-to-answer-questions-on-ferrari-and-ties-to-doping_283041)

So will not discuss now , but after Romandie. Seems there is a statement on the way.

My guess I used him as a trainer only and did not dope.

I was correct

Roman Kreuziger admits working with banned Dr Ferrari
  (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/538453/roman-kreuziger-admits-working-with-banned-dr-ferrari.html)

"When I started working with him I was 20 years old. I was in my first year as a professional, and at the time, I believed he was one of the best coaches in the world. That was why I contacted him back then," Kreuziger said in an e-mail to Cycling Weekly. "At that time I didn't know he was banned."

Asked if he ever doped, Kreuziger said, "No. Never."


Edit beaten by Dim with the link but I am going to keep my post to show I predicted something right  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 16, 2013, 17:10
Respect to JSG the dopesleuth. Got a strangely good handle on such matters...  ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 16, 2013, 18:16
Uncle bjarne says it's ok romain we believe you, race on son.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 17, 2013, 04:46
#greenedge Vance report is in

Whitney to be 're hired

Stephen's an idiot but original he did not know ok.

Report summary can be downloaded here http://greenedgecycling.com/news/orica-greenedge-announces-vance-report-findings
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 17, 2013, 11:23
Tanja ‏@bambula 1m
The Czech cycling fed says they won't act on Kreuziger with the current information (via @Staghoj)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 21, 2013, 11:43
may as well fit in here

seems an odd target of USADA , bigger fish to fry but rules are rules I guess

Authorities contemplate Armstrong’s stake in Bontrager team (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/news/authorities-contemplate-armstrongs-stake-in-bontrager-team_287998)

and considering Big George is involved in a development team but he retired/6 months
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 24, 2013, 09:17
Quote
Pier Bergonzi ‏@pierbergonzi 5m

Bad news... Danilo Di Luca positive! In surprise controll... Epo?
The Killer is caught again. Can't say I'm surprised really.

From the looks of it, it's almost like an addiction to him. Get him into rehab, and away from cycling.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on May 27, 2013, 05:14
VERY good article
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/05/23/justice-in-sport/?utm_content=buffer13497&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

A new Australian Olympic Commission by law effectivley nullifies any athletes ability to 'plead the fifth', but the implications are that it may not stand up... http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/05/23/justice-in-sport/?utm_content=buffer13497&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on May 27, 2013, 09:02
VERY good article
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/05/23/justice-in-sport/?utm_content=buffer13497&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

A new Australian Olympic Commission by law effectivley nullifies any athletes ability to 'plead the fifth', but the implications are that it may not stand up...

Thanks, I enjoyed reading that.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 27, 2013, 10:37
Analysis: The Di Luca dilemma and walking the tightrope between cycling’s past, present, and future (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/news/analysis-the-di-luca-dilemma-and-walking-the-tightrope-between-cyclings-past-present-and-future_288487)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 27, 2013, 11:49
VERY good article
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/05/23/justice-in-sport/?utm_content=buffer13497&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
It's a slippery slope. I can certainly understand the motivation, but I can foresee some unwanted consequences if things go that way.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on May 28, 2013, 01:52
just to play devils advocate there

why should this be an issue?

Representing Australia, and being a part of an Olympic team - its a privilege, not a right.

Why on earth SHOULD any athlete who refuses to answer questions from our main doping body about his or her behavior, actions or beliefs be able to represent Australia?

We have ethical considerations to selecting teams, and being required to truthfully answer questions should be one of them.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on May 28, 2013, 07:52
Perhaps some of the riders feel that doping is a systemic problem. And since they're just fitting into 'the system' they probably feel WTF should we talk? Perhaps the attitude of hate the game, not the player. This is that balancing act of various rights, the rather over policed/under policed issue again. It gives me a headache....
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 28, 2013, 08:44
Dusting off my old legal hat I think that, if challenged, the AOC's new rule as cited in the article above...

Quote
"All Athletes must:

(2) co-operate with and assist ASADA , including by:

(a) attending an interview to fully and truthfully answer questions;

(b) giving information; and

(c) producing documents, in an investigation being conducted by ASADA, even if to do so might tend to incriminate
them or expose them to a penalty, sanction or other disciplinary measure … "

... would be struck down in court (especially in a system as famously pragmatic as that of Australia): the right to refuse self-incrimination is not something you can simply override by mutual agreement, as the author correctly states. His citations are spot on.

I don't think you can encourage healthier sport by obligation, just as I believe it should be every individual's right not to talk if they so wish.

The problem with the idea that an Australian shouldn't represent the nation if (s)he won't talk to ASADA is that one negative automatically assumes another: that the individual cannot be trusted not to besmirch the nation.

So let's say you compel athletes to talk: everything then inevitably falls on the interpretation of "truthfully", the risk of misinformation and the vagaries of qualitatively judging the level of cooperation from the individual.

You'll have a lot less problems arising from the testimony of an athlete who gave it voluntarily, which relates to the author's perfunctory conclusion: better to make athletes partners rather than objects, or worse, adversaries.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on May 29, 2013, 02:40
just to play devils advocate there

why should this be an issue?

Representing Australia, and being a part of an Olympic team - its a privilege, not a right.

Why on earth SHOULD any athlete who refuses to answer questions from our main doping body about his or her behavior, actions or beliefs be able to represent Australia?

We have ethical considerations to selecting teams, and being required to truthfully answer questions should be one of them.

I guess the response is to ask the advocate what it is exactly he or she is aiming to achieve.

If clean competition is the overall goal, then along the lines of the article, a cooperative approach may be the better approach.

So talk of rights and priviledges is the wrong thing to be focussing on. Incentives, and what will get athletes talking is the path we should be heading down.

If we want athletes to be truthful, it's clear that shaming or coercing them does not and will not work, but I imagine most people here are on board with that line of thinking
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 29, 2013, 09:21
I guess the response is to ask the advocate what it is exactly he or she is aiming to achieve.

If clean competition is the overall goal, then along the lines of the article, a cooperative approach may be the better approach.

So talk of rights and priviledges is the wrong thing to be focussing on. Incentives, and what will get athletes talking is the path we should be heading down.

If we want athletes to be truthful, it's clear that shaming or coercing them does not and will not work, but I imagine most people here are on board with that line of thinking

I'm curious, Jono. Not exclusively a Dark Side question this but, as a successful international pro, how much interaction do you have with the Australian sporting authorities in a season?

Is it just paperwork and a few race officials or do they have a bigger, more visible presence in your life? Do you have, for example, a representative to whom you can speak about anything related to cycling officialdom or is it more like choosing a phone number from a list in a handbook and calling it.

Reason I ask is because I'm interested in how "unfamiliar" it would be to have to go talk with ASADA or Australian Cycling. Sometimes you read quotes from top cycling officials and it sounds like they would get wedding invitations.  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 29, 2013, 10:15
I'm curious, Jono. Not exclusively a Dark Side question this but, as a successful international pro, how much interaction do you have with the Australian sporting authorities in a season?
Excellent question, I'm curious to hear the answer.
In fact, I'd like to make a question of this sort part of Jono's and my ongoing "interview", if you don't mind.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on May 29, 2013, 12:20
I'm curious, Jono. Not exclusively a Dark Side question this but, as a successful international pro, how much interaction do you have with the Australian sporting authorities in a season?

Is it just paperwork and a few race officials or do they have a bigger, more visible presence in your life? Do you have, for example, a representative to whom you can speak about anything related to cycling officialdom or is it more like choosing a phone number from a list in a handbook and calling it.

Reason I ask is because I'm interested in how "unfamiliar" it would be to have to go talk with ASADA or Australian Cycling. Sometimes you read quotes from top cycling officials and it sounds like they would get wedding invitations.  :D

Trust me, as much as I love to think I am, I'm no big shot at all. Even in the slightest..

If by sporting authorities you ASADA, then very litte.

Continental leve cyclists are not part of the whereabouts system, only pro conti or world tour, or AIS scholarship holders. I was a state scholarship holder, but never national and then only a conti cyclist. I can tell you the number of times I've been tested, not many!

1) In Italy with the national team at a junior race, the morning of a race they told all the managers that each rider had to front up to a blood test before they would be allowed to start. 2007
2) Goulburn to Sydney RR, finished 4th, that race they tested the entire top ten. 2008
3) Qinghai Lake - Pre race medical and blood test 2010

That's it.

Realistically, though, that's nothing to be too concerned about, because frankly, I don't win many races...

In terms of officials other than ASADA, so Cycling Australia or Cycling Victoria, In australia you get to know the same old commisaires at the races etc

I don't think I properly understand the question to be honest, there's not really that many situations where you would go and speak to the officials, but generally it is a small pond so you end up getting to know the same fish
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on May 29, 2013, 12:43
To short the waffling of the previous post, paperwork. That's it.

If you choose to go beyond that by being chatting and friendly at races, yeah ok, but it's paperworky only.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on May 29, 2013, 13:15
I don't think I properly understand the question to be honest, there's not really that many situations where you would go and speak to the officials, but generally it is a small pond so you end up getting to know the same fish

You understood it perfectly, Jono, thanks! That's what I was interested in.

When I was racing as a kid, British Cycling (or the BCF as everyone knew it then) was a pretty parochial operation. We knew some of the local figureheads by name - the ones who supposedly had some pull - but frankly even my club chairman didn't know who I was.

Everything seemed to operate on rumour and hearsay and when I rode an international race, I only heard about selection at the last moment: there was no question of preparing for the event.

It was a postcode lottery however. In some regions things were better organised and there would be people in the fabric of the BCF that would help you with contacts etc. Wiggins probably benefitted from that framework, just based on what I've read.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 31, 2013, 08:09
MPCC calls for cortisol monitoring during Tour de France (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mpcc-calls-for-cortisol-monitoring-during-tour-de-france)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 02, 2013, 01:49
Apologies if posted elsewhere already,

http://crankpunk.com/2013/06/01/same-sh*t-different-sh*t/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Xe.no on June 03, 2013, 15:11
Christmas canceled?

"the Inner Ring @inrng 3m

Mauro Santambrogio also tests positive for EPO via @pierbergonzi"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 04, 2013, 08:26
Ram and I made this point last year and rammed it home ( :lol) re all the CNN stuff I even had it in my points to fuller

but another great crankpunk blog - http://crankpunk.com/2013/06/04/the-question-of-doping-in-asia-and-a-conflict-of-interests/ (http://crankpunk.com/2013/06/04/the-question-of-doping-in-asia-and-a-conflict-of-interests/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on June 04, 2013, 09:25
Author- Lee Rodgers
Salt quantity- one whole ladle
He loves the attention, and had years to make an ad hominem post, yet here ACJ makes a proper allegation and lo and behold who's quickest to jump on the bandwagon?

Would rather a credible source say it. Yes, I know testing is lesser, the likely more unabashed doping is here, but I'd so believe any Chinese, HKG, Japanese or Australian in the CT cct than any bloody WT rider.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 04, 2013, 09:28
You don't need salt with Lee's post. In this instance
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 04, 2013, 09:39
So, Ram, you interpret it as though he's accusing Vini Fantini?
I read it more like a general painting-with-the-brush of the Asian circuit, where there undoubtedly are some dopers and possibly even doping teams, than an accusation of the few Euro teams that come over once in a while.

As for the ex-dopers that come to race in Asia - hello Nippo. Always been a dodgy team in my opinion.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 04, 2013, 09:43
Interesting from Lee that the Japanese say they don't dope:

http://crankpunk.com/2013/06/04/the-question-of-doping-in-asia-and-a-conflict-of-interests/comment-page-1/#comment-1590

I have had some contact with the Japanese fan scene recently and some of those guys seem to have been genuinely shocked by Dopeology when they learned about its existence. I wondered aloud where they'd been all these years: language issues aside, it rather fuelled the old cliché about the "hermit kingdom" anyway. :)

Mainly because of the Team Nippo connections: Alberto Elli is a DS and a few darksiders have passed through there in recent seasons, including one (Andrenacci) who tested positive during his time there.

One Japanese pro said rather diplomatically on Twitter that he found the website "very depressing".  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on June 04, 2013, 09:52
So, Ram, you interpret it as though he's accusing Vini Fantini?
I read it more like a general painting-with-the-brush of the Asian circuit, where there undoubtedly are some dopers and possibly even doping teams, than an accusation of the few Euro teams that come over once in a while.

As for the ex-dopers that come to race in Asia - hello Nippo. Always been a dodgy team in my opinion.
Def not. Just saying he had time for ages to call them and he's milking the cow that ACJ brought up, and he does like the attention, or so it seems from his prose. Always said that the most suspicious are from the continental cct, heck the cycling messiahs didn't even give a crap as JSG says.

It's also not that hard judging by who gets transferred to upper echelons against whom the allegations are made.

So many races in America, outside USA, lack any testing altogether.

Also to add, using him as a sole source of truth is a bit like using a twitter rumour for innuendo. Jono's words are far more believable, and have far more weightage cos he's not a drama queen (no offence to Rodgers).
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 04, 2013, 10:32
Jono's words are far more believable, and have far more weightage cos he's not a drama queen (no offence to Rodgers).

"just last week a well known pro on the Asian scene mailed me to check on things he had heard about guys that are ‘heavily suspected’ of doping that are in our races, and we had a whole list of tales, but all are, unfortunately, unpublishable because we have no hard proof"


Hmmmmm who could that have been....
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on June 04, 2013, 10:36
another positive at the Giro, according to Gazzetta, a russian rider

@CicloPassione 44m

Oggi Gazzetta dello sport ventila altre positività, si parla di un russo. E' la guerra zozza per il controllo del #ciclismo e dell'Uci?


so, one of those:

Quote
BELKOV Maxim
BRUTT Pavel 
GUSEV Vladimir
IGNATENKO Petr
KOZONTCHUK Dmitriy
TROFIMOV Yury
KARPETS Vladimir
PETROV Evgeni
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 04, 2013, 10:40
Belkov and his stage win would be the obvious choice
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on June 04, 2013, 10:44
yeah, would also coincide with him leaving the giro while leading in two classifications (he missed the time cut in the timetrial, officially because of a stomach bug)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on June 04, 2013, 11:10
"just last week a well known pro on the Asian scene mailed me to check on things he had heard about guys that are ‘heavily suspected’ of doping that are in our races, and we had a whole list of tales, but all are, unfortunately, unpublishable because we have no hard proof"


Hmmmmm who could that have been....
Thought he might have mailed himself.... or maybe Andrei Mizourov?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 04, 2013, 11:29
haha. nah.

It was some stupid bloke who just went and broke his hip and collarbone. Again.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on June 04, 2013, 11:33
hows the rest and recovery going Jono?

Hope you have been doing better than me  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 04, 2013, 11:44
Did my first hydrotherapy session today. and am allowed to walk with crutches rather than my stupid grandpa frame.. 


Can't complain :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on June 04, 2013, 11:49
have fun ... and hope it all goes well
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: crankpunk on June 04, 2013, 15:00
love you too brother. stay annoyed.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on June 04, 2013, 16:09
No worries mate, opinions are arseholes and mine are not even worth that. I mean, sh*t at least gives comfort and your post is being lauded by all but one person.

But not annoyed at all. And heck I even read the blog regularly.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 05, 2013, 00:32
Don't stress Lee, take RAM as a good barometer of what the real nutters out there are saying, If he reckons you talk it up at times, then there is certain to be a whole forum of whack jobs dedicated to you somewhere. replete with voodoo dolls and 15 reddit aliases they are probably going about this aready. If anything they have McCann thumb/finger/whatever in a jar of Kimchi somewhere and use it as part of some bizarre ritual to the flying spaghetti monster.

What I'm really trying to say is, how many sentences do I have to write before you both forget about whatever it was you came here to vent about?   :bouaaaaah :bouaaaaah
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 05, 2013, 02:01
Having read all this, im flabbergasted at just how often conti riders are tested.






























As many as three times.. Blimey..

This is one of the problems the sport is facing, because the level of anti doping is so low at the lower levels, its fairly easy for those that want to go the PED route to do so. Then, by the time they start reaching higher levels in the sport its already ingrained in them.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 05, 2013, 02:59
Don't forget thgouh Dim, if I started winning a bunch of races, I'd be getting tested a lot more. But most likely still not as much as we would like
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on June 05, 2013, 06:30
love you too brother. stay annoyed.

:wave

Hi Lee.  great to see you here.

you doing the tour of Korea this year?     :D

(last years edition  - http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/rider-diaries/lee-rodgers-diary-tour-of-korea-stage-5-marred-by-multiple-crashes-sketchy-support_215643 )

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on June 05, 2013, 07:24
:wave

Hi Lee.  great to see you here.

you doing the tour of Korea this year?     :D

(last years edition  - http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/rider-diaries/lee-rodgers-diary-tour-of-korea-stage-5-marred-by-multiple-crashes-sketchy-support_215643 )
They're doing a good job this year and one of our lot is well involved with the Tour in an official capacity.

And no CCN aren't riding.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on June 05, 2013, 07:59
Quote
one of our lot

Oops! Tapatalk acting a bit whack since the update, deleted. Thanks.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: lancasterke on June 05, 2013, 10:02

As many as three times.. Blimey..

This is one of the problems the sport is facing, because the level of anti doping is so low at the lower levels, its fairly easy for those that want to go the PED route to do so. Then, by the time they start reaching higher levels in the sport its already ingrained in them.

this is somewhere that the bio passport doesn't help with either.

strong conti rider, good engine, starts to dope (micro dosing epo for example) for the results to get the wins needed to get a pro conti contract, a couple of wins, and moves up a level (as a rouleur/domestique), now worried his blood levels can't fall much, keeps doping to avoid a passport positive (for not doping), keeps microdosing it becomes normal for him, not actually tested very often, but lower blood levels might get flagged, so is now weighing up glow time of epo vs too low a haemoglobin.

is this a conceivable scenario or am i missing something?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 05, 2013, 13:02
At pro conti level, i very much doubt there is too much in the way of Bio passport data. Hell, theres World Tour riders that have said they havnt been tested for 8-9 months.

I think its safe to assume that their are pro conti riders with blank passports
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 06, 2013, 11:12
UCI reveals that EUS' Alexander Serebryakov actually tested positive twice. This second positive was also for EPO and pre-dates the one already announced by a whole year:

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails2011.asp?id=OTMzNQ

Hat tip to @inrng for what will now become Team Type 1's first positive.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 06, 2013, 15:11
And why did they only announce the second positive (that's really the first positive) 16 months after it was taken?

Did it take that long to analyse? Surely not. Unless tests are simply taken, and only some get analysed right away - that would be worrying.
Or did they sweep it under the carpet at first (with some "lobbying" from Sanofi maybe?), and now that Serebryakov has been thrown under the bus anyway, Sanofi is no longer a TT1 sponsor, and the UCI's own version of Game of Thrones is underway, they decided to get more blackmail material on the Russians?

EDIT: I only now bother to read the UCI press release thoroughly (which tells you how much content they normally have). It was a re-analysis.
A good idea to re-test previous samples from riders that have a positive, only the technical details of that have me wondering. The lab only knows a number, so someone at the UCI must have told them to test no. X8U758G (completely made up) again. And I certainly hope they only asked them to re-test, without any further information... It says a lot about them if I'm getting to the point of all but accusing the UCI of manipulating evidence (or rather, producing it so that it fits the narrative) when it fits their agenda without finding it outrageous.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on June 07, 2013, 02:46
I have no doubt that they manipulate evidence.

They have been doing it for a very long time now - its not at all surprising ... just depressing.

But yeah, I would like to know a bit more about the decision and process involved in re-testing that particular sample ...

- was it because of the +ve?
- were other samples re-tested?
- what is the point of re-testing someone who has already tested +ve subsequently?  was there doubts about the latter test so they re-tested lots of that riders samples to confirm?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 07, 2013, 08:19
Nikita Novikov tests positive for a substance I've never heard of before:

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Nikita Novikov provisionally suspended

The UCI advised Russian rider Nikita Novikov that he is provisionally suspended. The decision to provisionally suspend this rider was made in response to a report from the WADA accredited laboratory in Barcelona indicating an Adverse Analytical Finding of Hydroxy-ostarine / O Dephenyl-ostarine in a urine sample collected from him in an out of competition test on 17th May 2013.
The provisional suspension of Mr. Nikita Novikov remains in force until a hearing panel convened by the Russian Cycling Federation determines whether he has committed an anti-doping rule violation under Article 21 of the UCI Anti-Doping Rules.
Mr. Nikita Novikov has the right to request and attend the analysis of his B sample.
Under the World Anti-Doping Code and the UCI Anti-Doping Rules, the UCI is unable to provide any additional information at this time.

UCI Communication Service

And the UCI needs someone to better format their PDF press releases. An editing nightmare. :rolleye
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 07, 2013, 08:26
Russians getting hammered this year!  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 07, 2013, 09:10
Russians getting hammered this year!  :D
I wonder why... :rolleye
New UCI motto: "Honi soit qui mal y pense"?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 07, 2013, 09:32
Did they dope?

is out today, folks! It's a one-off magazine on (mainly stage race) riders from the 80s through to the present, discussing their performances and analysing their numbers.

It was written by:

- the owner of French site Cyclisme Dopage

- Antoine Vayer (the ever-controversial @festinaboy)

- Frédéric Portoleau (the engineer who devised and published the methodology for measurements some years ago and who collaborated with Ballester and Walsh on LA Confidentiel), and

- Dr Jean-Pierre de Mondenard, anti-doping expert and frequent contributor to Le Monde newspaper.

I've had my copy for a week or two already and I'm now allowed to talk about it:  :D

(http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj607/larriviste/td_1_zps60742823.jpg)

I have the French language edition but it's available in English too.

Let's take a look inside...

Timings, VAM and power numbers can be rather opaque, as you can imagine, so the authors have grouped them into ranges to which they apply a simple "heat scale". Normal (green), Suspect (yellow), Miraculous (orange) and Mutant (red)  :D

There are smaller blocks dedicated to selected performances on climbs and in TTs by riders in supporting roles or those who have since been busted:

(http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj607/larriviste/td_2_zpsa245d487.jpg)

The main section of the magazine consists of double-page spreads on the big guns of recent history and how their performances measure up, based on known climbs and Portoleau's published methodology.

Let's see an example, in this case Marco Pantani:

(http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj607/larriviste/td_3_zpseda9fa05.jpg)

You can see various climbs over the years Pantani rode, with the details carefully recorded for each performance. The colour ranges have been applied so that you can get a good overall picture of what the authors think of the Italian's career.

On the opposite page, the "official" narrative of Pantani's rides followed by the allegations that dogged him, ruining his career and eventually his life.

This pattern of "weighing up" the performances - but also the surrounding hype - of riders is a common thread throughout the magazine. I found it very readable and often fascinating. Collecting all that data is very impressive.

You can find out more and order from:

http://www.alternativeditions.com/21-counts/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on June 07, 2013, 09:39
Nikita Novikov tests positive for a substance I've never heard of before

so Vacansoleil needs to hope for Rujano not to be found guilty before the Tour if they don't want to lose their spot...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on June 07, 2013, 09:55
From #vacansoleil's team manager:

Quote
Team manager Daan Luijkx was very disappointed: “At the end of 2011 we hired this young talent for two years. Since that time he didn’t manage to reach his old level in our environment despite all the efforts of our team. It needs no clarification that as a team we are devastated by this. As a team you try to give your riders a safe environment with good coaching and staff and that makes it very disappointing when a rider does something wrong, like it appears this is the case now. When I talked to the rider last night, after the UCI informed us, he said he had no idea how the substance got in his body.”

Luijkx also wants to add something positive: “I strongly believe the sport is on his way up and I am sorry for the sport that this happens but it is good that possible breaches of the rules are traced.”

And Search.. true but they won't lose their Tour spot as MPCC won't make teams withdraw from a Grand Tour (larri's got the rules in English)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 07, 2013, 10:43
A few comments to address some of the issues described above:

SARMS and Ostarine

It is true that we have not heard of this substance before in cycling. Ostarine (http://www.dopeology.org/products/Ostarine-%28SARMS%29/) is a member of a drug class called SARMS. Ostarine itself may not be so well known but the SARMS class is certainly in the spotlight.

Whilst it was only a matter of time before it appeared, I wasn't aware that there were tests for it already, so that was good news in a certain sense.

Like GW101516, Ostarine is not yet an approved drug but you can get it on the Internet. GTx, the pharma company that's developing it, did clinical trials in 2010 but as far as I'm aware, it is not out there in an official capacity as yet.

Unlike GW101516, Ostarine is arguably a bit less scary and a lot closer to market availability. It stimulates an increase in muscle and bone mass, acting as a sort of new age version of anabolic steroids but its application is both well understood and fairly limited.

MPCC

With regard to the MPCC rules, Vacansoleil doesn't have enough doping incidents to warrant an auto-suspension but it's worth bearing in mind that on the face of it, Rujano wouldn't be the tipping point anyway.

Rujano is under criminal investigation (not yet charged, just named) and that process will probably continue for up to a year from his first being named and then there would probably be another year to wait before any sort of hearing.

So let's say for the sake of an hypothetical argument that the matter was already thus advanced. Even if he were to be charged and convicted of a criminal offence right now, that would still not qualify under the MPCC rules. Where there are no positive tests or dodgy blood values, what the MPCC then requires is a sanction from the appropriate sporting body. In other words, Rujano would have to be suspended officially by the Venezuelan cycling authority (if that's where he holds his licence) acting on proof of the criminal conviction.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 07, 2013, 10:58
My "official" take on Serebryakov:
Double EPO positive for Serebryakov (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/double_epo_positive_for_serebryakov/)

Now I wait for the UCI henchmen to arrive and make me an "offer I can't refuse". ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 07, 2013, 11:06
My "official" take on Serebryakov:
Double EPO positive for Serebryakov (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/double_epo_positive_for_serebryakov/)

Now I wait for the UCI henchmen to arrive and make me an "offer I can't refuse". ;)

Nice, Fus! Note however that in your Novikov article (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/novikov_tests_positive_for_ostarine/) you state:

"O-Dephenyl-ostarine, a fat reduction product that’s still in clinical trials"

Ostarine is not a fat reduction product. Ostarine has the same effect as anabolic steroids: it promotes growth of Lean Body Mass (Muscle + Bone).
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 07, 2013, 11:16
Well, unlike you I know next to nothing about doping products. I just looked a bit at what I could find on it, and concluded it would be something like that.

Thanks for the heads-up, replaced it with "product promoting muscle growth". :)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 07, 2013, 13:32
Well, unlike you I know next to nothing about doping products. I just looked a bit at what I could find on it, and concluded it would be something like that.

Thanks for the heads-up, replaced it with "product promoting muscle growth". :)

It's cool, Fus, I just didn't want some fool like me picking you up on that. I get a lot of that with Dopeology, you know, people not correcting me as such (which I welcome) but picking holes in the scientific definitions. :)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 07, 2013, 15:36
Hope those aren't needle marks on that arm:

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com//2013/06/07/2/000_arp3544314_670.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on June 07, 2013, 22:37
Hope those aren't needle marks on that arm:

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com//2013/06/07/2/000_arp3544314_670.jpg)

Probably not, if it was he would probably be smart enough to do some sort of one armed victory scene, also could be from testing as well. Plus those marks would be very big. One would have to be very incompetent handling a needle to make such a big mark, something I suspect most dopers wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 10, 2013, 08:13
Hope those aren't needle marks on that arm:

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com//2013/06/07/2/000_arp3544314_670.jpg)

1 of them is in the wrong spot definitely the other looks a little hi as well if they were to be intravenous , and no way a needle should leave that sort of mark , IV bag if done really poorly maybe - but bruising is not quite right fwiw   
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 11, 2013, 10:53
11.06.2013

The Cycling Anti-Doping Foundation (CADF) worked to reinforce the efficiency of its programme and procedures in 2012, as testified in its business report published on Monday.

The number of tests carried out across all the cycling disciplines was 14,168, which is more than in 2011 (13,144), thanks to the renegotiation of prices with the different sample collection agencies and the increase in contribution from the UCI Professional Continental teams. Among these tests, 7558 were carried out in competition and 6610 out of competition.

While carrying out an increased number of tests, the CADF also met heightened quality criteria which earned it the ISO 9001:2008 certification. Full compliance with ISO procedures, declared in December 2012, concerns test planning, the registered testing pool, therapeutic use exemption, sample collection and results management. The ISO certification, awarded by an independent body, confirms the CADF’s transparency.

The CADF continues to develop projects in collaboration with the UCI, such as the study “Changing the doping culture in cycling,” conducted by the Institute of Sport Sciences of the University of Lausanne and presented by the CADF in 2012 as part of its education projects. This study proposed a sociological approach to anti-doping by identifying potential pressure coming from the athletes’ entourage.

The CADF’s 2012 budget, certified by an external revision body, revealed significant financial stability, after four years of investment to develop the biological passport. This pioneering tool in the fight against doping, widely recognised throughout the world, has been extended to cover all cycling disciplines as well as women athletes.

CADF Director Dr Francesca Rossi declared: “2012 was a very constructive year for the CADF as we combined the quantity of tests with the quality of our programme as far as procedures are concerned. Not only did the number of tests increase, but we have also obtained ISO certification, the international standard of quality for procedures.”

 

UCI Communication Services

report http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTYzMDQ&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=ODczMTA&LangId=1 (http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTYzMDQ&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=ODczMTA&LangId=1)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 11, 2013, 17:04
(http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/1992-Tour-Alps.jpg)

Delinquent boys: Armstrong, Ullrich and…Indurain (http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/armstrong-ullrich-indurain-tour-doping/)

good read imo
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 11, 2013, 17:16
Antoine Vayer : "Armstrong? A mere trifle compared with Big Mig"

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/06/06/antoine-vayer-armstrong-presque-un-petit-joueur-a-cote-du-roi-miguel_3425660_3242.html

Recent interview in Le Monde, by Stéphane Mandard

Since the so-called "Tour of Renewal" in 1999, a year after the Festina Affair, Antoine Vayer has closely examined the peloton's performance, calculating the power output of the riders on the big cols of the Tour de France. Again this summer, the former Festina team trainer will analyse for Le Monde the "speed cameras" he's put in place for the 100th edition. On Friday 7th June, he published 21 Counts [see above - L'arri], a one-off publication which brings together for the first time the performances of Tour winners since 1983. A useful guide for the next Grande Boucle.

You have decyphered the performances of Tour winners for the last three decades. Is anyone beyond suspicion?

One rider alone seems always to have had "human" performances, Greg Lemond. He won his first Tour with an average of 381 watts in 1986, then 408w in 1989 and 407w in 1990. He stays in the green zone. All the other winners were "flashed" at some point or other in their career doing over 410w (the threshold of a suspicious ride), 430w (the stuff of miracles) and indeed 450w (mutant). With the coming of EPO at the beginning of the 1990s, a rider who could turn out 400w for 20 minutes now managed 440w for 40 minutes! That's what happened with Bjarne Riis, nicknamed "Mr 60%" for his haematocrit level elevated well above the allowed 50%, who in 1993 topped out at 399w but then pulled off 449w during his 1996 Tour win at 32 years old. Meanwhile Lemond stayed at 410w after 1990 and was dropped by donkeys who had become thoroughbreds.

Lance Armstrong was described by the USADA as having benefitted from the "most efficient doping programme in history", yet he's not at the top of your list of highest performing Tour winners

With his average record of 438w in the 2001 Tour, "The Boss" actually comes no higher than 6th in our table. He's a mere trifle compared to "Big Mig" Indurain with his five Tour wins. The Spaniard seemed unbeatable with his 455w average in the 1995 edition. Bjarne Riis, Marco Pantani, Jan Ullrich and even Alberto Contador - with 439w in 2009 - did better than Armstrong. The American reigned for 7 Tours between 1999 and 2005 on "hardly" more than 428 to 438w on average. His heyday began after Festina and included the introduction of the EPO test, so he had to be more careful. He couldn't do EPO willy-nilly like his predecessors. He had to be more precise, specific, measured, organised and intelligent.

Unlike Armstrong, Indurain has never been bothered by doping scandals

"Big Mig" tested positive once, for Salbutamol in 1994, but he was exonerated by a "disciplinary" hearing of his national authority. In fact, Indurain's doctor Sabino Padilla was better than Armstrong's, Michele Ferrari. He turned an 80kg rider into a winged climber who could do mountains faster than a 56kg Pantani, the majority of whose performances went beyond 450w in both the Tour and the Giro. Like Eufemiano Fuentes some years later, Padilla enabled a marathon runner like Martin Fiz to be a King of Spain too.

Another rider who never tested positive is Laurent Jalabert. Having taken into account hundreds of performances, you rank the Frenchman in the category of 'mutant'?

When Armstrong heard about what "Jaja" said in front of the [French] Senatorial Commission on Doping on May 15th, he asked me if it had been under oath. "Were we doped? I don't think so," Jalabert told the senators. But how on earth did he, an excellent sprinter, transform himself into the best climber in the Tour under Manolo Saiz, the boss of ONCE and the godfather of Spanish cycling, who was recently on the defendants' bench at the Puerto trial. During the Vuelta in 1996 and 1997, the former green jersey climbed Lagos de Covadonga - 8.5km at a gradient of 9.18% - in less than 25 minutes, putting out 468 and 478 watts respectively. On the Tour, we even renamed the Col de Mende the "Montée Jalabert" after him, a guy who managed to do that climb in 1995 with 495 watts! He also claimed under oath that his doctor back then was nicknamed "Dr Citroën" as opposed to Armstrong's Dr Ferrari. So how is it then that the name "Jalabert" appears in the documents seized from Ferrari's home by a Bologna judge? Why does his phone number figure in the Dottore's notebook? And why does it also say that his haematocrit went from 42% on 19 January 1997 to 54% on 28 August 1997? If I'd been a senator, I'd have also asked him why, when he was 3rd on GC, did he run away from the 1998 Tour de France with his mentor Manolo Saiz after the police got involved? Armstrong said recently that he'd be the first to tell all if a Truth and Reconciliation Commission was put together. So Laurent Jalabert should join in.

With regard to performance analysis, you identifiy four "eras" of doping in the last 30 years

Before 1990, we were in the the pre-EPO era: flirting with 410 watts on a mix of corticosteroids and anabolics. Then we hit a full 450w when EPO was used en masse, until 1998. After the EPO test was introduced, blood transfusions made a big comeback: that's the Armstrong era, stabilising around 430 watts. Since 2011, we're talking about a new "mixed" era, where performances seem less but with still-suspicious output above 410 watts. It's simple: EPO and transfusions are too obvious and detectable, so they've given way to "power" products like AICAR. It's less about oxygenation and more about muscle fibres. They can turn out less watts for longer but they can contract their muscles longer instead.

Do you reckon that performances are more human then?

There haven't been any "miraculous" rides on our "speed cameras" since 2011. Cadel Evans was in the green at 406w on average. In 2012, Wiggins was marked yellow at 415w with Froome and Nibali above 410w. This decrease in performance enables a rider like Nibali, at 414w average, to win the 2013 Giro with his Astana team run by Vinokourov, a former "mutant".

Today the majority of riders and trainers use power calculations to measure their physical limits. Why doesn't the UCI use the same measures as an indirect proof of doping?

Since 2012, the UCI has forbidden the remote communication of these power measures which are collected by more than half of the Tour peloton. Playing the transparency card would be dangerous. It's safer to stick to the first part of the definition of doping: "Practices consisting of the use of substances or forbidden methods" and to jettison the second: "in order to increase the physical or mental capacity for performance." Accordingly, as the former WADA chairman Dick Pound recognises, detecting substances remains tough and the controls are still easy to beat. But the performances themselves, they don't lie.

You're part of Change Cycling Now, a pressure group which came together after the Armstrong Affair. Alongside Greg Lemond and its founder Jamie Fuller, you demanded the resignation of the UCI President Pat McQuaid. How is he still in that role and ready to run for another term this September?

Pat McQuaid ought to have resigned after the Armstrong Affair. Greg Lemond offered himself in December 2012 as an interim president. But a dog doesn't want to let go of a sausage. I met McQuaid in January. He told me he was sure he'd be reelected. The electoral rules - which give as much of a say to France as to any other member country - and his trips to faraway places had given him enough guarantees. Developing cycling in Africa or Cuba  is more important than the fight against doping. We told Dick Pound that we'd support him as president but he decline. We're going to Australia to meet people involved in anti-doping. Perhaps when we get back, we'll have found a candidate to run against McQuaid.

=======================

The Ashenden cometh? :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on June 11, 2013, 17:47
Nice article L'arri!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 11, 2013, 17:53
Nice article L'arri!

Thanks, Kablinka!

So it's got to be Tracey Gaudry or - an outside bet - Ashenden. Both very appropriate.  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 11, 2013, 18:00
Thanks, Kablinka!

So it's got to be Tracey Gaudry or - an outside bet - Ashenden. Both very appropriate.  :D

can only be Gaudry re UCI rules

i hope not , next election after oceania is fixed
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 11, 2013, 18:02
can only be Gaudry re UCI rules

i hope not , next election after oceania is fixed

but will make fuller look like an ass so I hope so  :niceday
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 11, 2013, 18:03
can only be Gaudry re UCI rules

i hope not , next election after oceania is fixed

Ah, OK. What are the rules, then? Just so I'm clear on who can and cannot run? Why could Greg be an interim president, for example?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on June 11, 2013, 18:04
All the other winners were "flashed" at some point or other in their career doing over 410w (the threshold of a suspicious ride), 430w (the stuff of miracles) and indeed 450w (mutant).

L'arri - great job with this.
I have ordered the magazine, but it hasn't arrived yet.
Can you please explain how the power categories was rationalised?
Thanks
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 11, 2013, 18:06
L'arri - great job with this.
I have ordered the magazine, but it hasn't arrived yet.
Can you please explain how the power categories was rationalised?
Thanks

Yeah, they took ranges of w/kg and applied what was humanly possible, suspect, miraculous and mutant. Do you need more info than that? Can probably scan it for you.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 11, 2013, 18:09
Ah, OK. What are the rules, then? Just so I'm clear on who can and cannot run? Why could Greg be an interim president, for example?

Lemond - he could not that was one of the points I made to fuller , Velocast etc and Ram and I were like wtf are these people on about , Ram did all the leg work and found the UCI rules

off the top of my head the person going for Pres much be nominated by there federation and you can not have 2 nominations per fed

Gaudry is the UCI rep for Oceania
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on June 11, 2013, 18:32
Yeah, they took ranges of w/kg and applied what was humanly possible, suspect, miraculous and mutant. Do you need more info than that? Can probably scan it for you.
Appreciate the offer, but I'll wait until I receive my copy and then I can digest at leisure.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 11, 2013, 22:04
It's simple: EPO and transfusions are too obvious and detectable, so they've given way to "power" products like AICAR. It's less about oxygenation and more about muscle fibres. They can turn out less watts for longer but they can contract their muscles longer instead.
Could you put this in simpler words for someone who doesn't understand much about the body mechanics (i.e. me)?

off the top of my head the person going for Pres much be nominated by there federation and you can not have 2 nominations per fed

Gaudry is the UCI rep for Oceania
But if Gaudry supported Ashenden, couldn't he get nominated by Cycling Australia as well? Or would he need a valid UCI license (I guess so)?
I'll have to have a look at the UCI rules myself, for some reason I love diving into them from time to time.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 12, 2013, 08:17
Could you put this in simpler words for someone who doesn't understand much about the body mechanics (i.e. me)?

Neither do I, Fus. ;)

What he's saying there is that blood oxygenation methods - i.e. EPO injections and transfusions - are now more detectable via the bio-passport and even the days of microdosing look to be coming to an end. The risks have increased.

The new frontier is with muscle enhancement drugs - the domain of these new peptide hormones and GW501516, Telmisartan, AICAR - either because they're not yet detectable or because they're much harder to catch. It's no longer about oxygenating your blood but rather about enabling your muscles to work harder for longer within the blood norms.

So the gains are more, shall we say marginal, but they still represent a significant gain on your rivals and the beginnings of another arms race.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 12, 2013, 08:20
It's no longer about oxygenating your blood but rather about enabling your muscles to work harder for longer within the blood norms.
That's something I can understand.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 12, 2013, 13:00
Pod cast with Vayer with Phil Gomes and Tanman

https://soundcloud.com/cycling-central/podcast-12-june-2013-special (https://soundcloud.com/cycling-central/podcast-12-june-2013-special)

(https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000050394632-tga2db-t200x200.jpg?a210ade)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 12, 2013, 13:10
am listening now but had this thought , Now I have not read the mag , but it seems LeMond gets the only free pass, with Evans , wiggo , Sastra being the less mutant as a far as I can work out

If this was a scientific journal there is now way it would get past the 1st step

The science is Junk but interesting the biggest thing is ofc Skins/fuller/CNN/LeMond conflict of interest

Maybe  I should not say anything having not read it but that has never stopped me before and not likely now or in the future   
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 12, 2013, 13:17
I do like the fact that the spotlight on the Big Mig
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 12, 2013, 13:26
am listening now but had this thought , Now I have not read the mag , but it seems LeMond gets the only free pass, with Evans , wiggo , Sastra being the less mutant as a far as I can work out

If this was a scientific journal there is now way it would get past the 1st step

The science is Junk but interesting the biggest thing is ofc Skins/fuller/CNN/LeMond conflict of interest

Maybe  I should not say anything having not read it but that has never stopped me before and not likely now or in the future

The magazine mentions CCN in the foreword and has lots of SKINS ads, but it's not really a "political" mouthpiece for CCN. If it was, it would be unreadable. I know that the authors needed plenty of Fuller's help to get this project funded, so that would only add to your argument, JSG, but my only response to that is "so what", really.

Meanwhile, Lemond is the only one listed among Tour winners who posted human numbers and he did so years before he was associated with Fuller or the others on CCN. According to the authors, nobody else - including Evans, Wiggins and Sastre - posts a complete spread of human numbers.

Read it, JSG. You'll enjoy it and it will show you that your feelings all these years have been right. And the rest doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on June 12, 2013, 13:26
Lemond - he could not that was one of the points I made to fuller , Velocast etc and Ram and I were like wtf are these people on about , Ram did all the leg work and found the UCI rules

off the top of my head the person going for Pres much be nominated by there federation and you can not have 2 nominations per fed

Gaudry is the UCI rep for Oceania

It reminds me of this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22846140

;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 12, 2013, 13:29
The magazine mentions CCN in the foreword and has lots of SKINS ads, but it's not really a "political" mouthpiece for CCN. I know that the authors needed plenty of Fuller's help to get this project funded, so that would only add to your argument, JSG, but my only response to that is "so what", really.

Meanwhile, Lemond is the only one listed among Tour winners who posted human numbers and he did so years before he was associated with Fuller or the others on CCN. According to the authors, nobody else - including Evans, Wiggins and Sastre - posts a complete spread of human numbers.

science is like that Larri - conflict of interest is a major thing , it does not mean LeMond is any different but if you want to use this book to hang a hat on - it falls on the floor.

It seems interesting and as I said maybe I should not say anything but ........  ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 12, 2013, 15:29
Ettore Torri has been replaced as the Italian Olympic Committee’s anti-doping prosecutor following a CONI assembly in Rome on Tuesday. Torri’s replacement is 55-year-old Tammaro Maiello, a prosecutor with the Court of Audit in Rome.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 12, 2013, 18:04
Just got my copy of Alternativ Editions as pdf.. having a root through now..
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 12, 2013, 23:45
A podcast with Atoine Vayer

https://soundcloud.com/cycling-central/podcast-12-june-2013-special

EDIT: ahh already posted. Never mind. :ohu
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Blackbandit222 on June 13, 2013, 00:07
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vayer-casts-doubt-over-performances-of-indurain-and-jalabert

I don't know about the science but certainly a Festina coach would be in the know.

I like the generation aspect and the fact the 50% Hemo test worked somewhat to tamper performances.

Need to get some video of Jalabert pulling 500 watts.

I'll listen to the podcast too.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 13, 2013, 00:08
500w is a bit misleading as all of the figures have been adjusted to 70kg rider weight..
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on June 13, 2013, 03:38
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-de-france-2009-contador-vo2max.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 13, 2013, 04:57
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-de-france-2009-contador-vo2max.html

As I said interesting but junk science.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Tuart on June 13, 2013, 08:17
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-de-france-2009-contador-vo2max.html

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"Therefore, you cannot use isolated performances, lacking control over variables, to infer doping."

Oh hey, pretty much my point in the Nibali thread :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 13, 2013, 08:23
Need to get some video of Jalabert pulling 500 watts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O71bQBwSayE

495 watts

... at about 10m30s he drops Bottaro (Gewiss ;)) and throttles up one of the nastiest climbs in France, now named after him. This ain't no Lieuwe Westra.

If I'd had a climb named after me, I might not want to admit I was doped to the gills when I "made history" on it. It's a difficult thing when people build a memorial to your bullsh*t but I guess there may come a point where you start to believe your own story no matter how silly it becomes.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 13, 2013, 09:07
Liggett sounds as if he can't believe it during the broadcast.
But nobody made the connection back then - did they not know or did they not want to know?
Riis and Indurain are looking well-prepared too.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 13, 2013, 09:34
Liggett sounds as if he can't believe it during the broadcast.
But nobody made the connection back then - did they not know or did they not want to know?
Riis and Indurain are looking well-prepared too.

The 1995 Tour was a crazy one, Fus. I don't know if you saw it. I was just a teenager then but, even though I didn't know much about doping, I couldn't avoid the sense that the performances were getting extreme. That was probably the first year I noticed the obvious big-ringing on HC cols.

I don't think the concept of "anti-doping" really existed until Festina. There were post-race controls and there were always stories about anabolic steroids but doping didn't really figure as anything pernicious until it became increasingly obvious that "everyone" was doing it.

That was the tipping point: not the candystore array of drugs and methods but the embarassment at their ubiquity. It has probably been said by far more eminent commentators than I, but the response or lack thereof to doping has always been a matter of perception rather than health, science or morality.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 13, 2013, 09:48
Aye Festina seems to have been the tipping point in world sport to a point

You would have though 1968 in Mexico would have been/should have been but nope Willy breaks his chain and sport/cycling loses it´s innocence
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 13, 2013, 10:05
No, I think the first Tour I saw must have been either 1996, 1997, 1998 or 1999. I don't remember much from those, the earliest Tour memory I have is of a Danish newspaper front page & article in 1996 on the Champs-Élysées Sunday, and the following Monday.
My earliest TV memory is of Javier Otxoa holding on to win the Hautacam stage in 2000 against an unleashed Armstrong.

The whole Festina affair wasn't someone I really understood back then - I was 11, and only a casual follower. And I was naive on the issue for some time: I remember a chat with my father's cousin in 2003 where he said "they're all doping, it's not humanly possible to ride that way". I thought he was making that up, thinking there were some dopers, but surely not the vast majority.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Blackbandit222 on June 13, 2013, 10:18
I was a Jr in HS then.  Man that opening tune really takes me back.  Funny I was just telling an eighty two yro today that 1995 wasn't long ago.  :ohno:

I love when the green jersey throttles it up a climb.  :slow  :D

Remember Jaja lived in Spain and wanted to escape the amount of testing the French Federation did.

After reading Voets book Ive assumed everyone was doping to some degree there after.  It never affected my enjoyment of the sport.  If someone asked me is Lance doping, I'd respond without a doubt.  The better question being how and why hasn't he been caught.  To which we now know the answers.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 13, 2013, 10:40
Remember Jaja lived in Spain and wanted to escape the amount of testing the French Federation did.

That's what used to annoy me about him. Omerta was and still is about keeping your mouth shut, but Jalabert never did. He railed against cycling officialdom and the authorities, he threw hissy fits and walked off races (in order to avoid testing). Despite retirement and until the recent Senate hearing - during which he struck a surprisingly weak note - he continued to moan his miserable face off.

Post-Armstrong and post-Puerto, there is nothing left of Jalabert's stance worth defending. The walls are breached and the keep has fallen.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 19, 2013, 18:06
Kenny Pryde ‏@KenBobPryde 31m
Dr Pierluigi Fiorella, in charge of Italian Cycling Federation bio passports, under investigation by NAS. Italy, the gift that keeps giving!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on June 23, 2013, 21:43
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/a-tour-of-the-orica-greenedge-service-course/

(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/nutrition.jpg)

Interesting to look at all the supplements taken. That's a lot of tablets!

Easy to see the 'slippery slope', anything legal that may present an advantage is being taken. And that's fair enough. But the strong moral opponents to doping just don't seem to get, that one year you can wake up and 2-3-4 of the regular supplements you had been taking or were being told to take are now on the banned list. So you move onto something else... this is nothing special to cycling. It's modern marketing at it's worst.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 23, 2013, 22:06
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/a-tour-of-the-orica-greenedge-service-course/

(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/nutrition.jpg)

Interesting to look at all the supplements taken. That's a lot of tablets!

Easy to see the 'slippery slope', anything legal that may present an advantage is being taken. And that's fair enough. But the strong moral opponents to doping just don't seem to get, that one year you can wake up and 2-3-4 of the regular supplements you had been taking or were being told to take are now on the banned list. So you move onto something else... this is nothing special to cycling. It's modern marketing at it's worst.



You can also see why some of the claims in the past by riders of being doped without their knowledge are not that far fetched.

Im more disturbed by the poor grammar of "3 races days" "5 races days"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 23, 2013, 23:47
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/a-tour-of-the-orica-greenedge-service-course/

(http://d4nuk0dd6nrma.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/nutrition.jpg)

Interesting to look at all the supplements taken. That's a lot of tablets!

Easy to see the 'slippery slope', anything legal that may present an advantage is being taken. And that's fair enough. But the strong moral opponents to doping just don't seem to get, that one year you can wake up and 2-3-4 of the regular supplements you had been taking or were being told to take are now on the banned list. So you move onto something else... this is nothing special to cycling. It's modern marketing at it's worst.
Completely agree.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 24, 2013, 21:49
Rutkiewicz tests positive

(http://proteam.cccsport.pl/pliki/bd_12_05_02_1335953622535.jpg)

Polish rider Marek Rutkiewicz was arrested at Orly airport in the early days of 2005 carrying a hoard of drugs bound for Cofidis riders. It was just the beginning of an affair that brought down two teams.

Despite being convicted for possession, Rutkiewicz cooperated and escaped a heavy sentence. He even managed to salvage his career back in the old country and, now still only 32, he is regarded somewhat as the wise old man of Polish cycling.

In last month's Bałtyk-Karkonosze Tour however, it seems that the Pole, currently riding for CCC-Polkowice, tested positive during the race. Details are still very thin - the substance and the precise date are still unknown - but Rutkiewicz's team confirmed that it had suspended him last Friday.

http://proteam.cccsport.pl/news,721,oswiadczenie-zarzadu-ekipy-ccc-polsat-polkowice-w-sprawie-marka-rutkiewicza.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 24, 2013, 22:31
Report is that Androni has suspended Francesco Reda, a rider I very nearly added to my Index of Suspicion.

http://www.direttaciclismo.it/news/doping/francesco-reda-sospeso-13030.php (IT)

http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/22883/androni-venezuela-schorst-francesco-reda.html (NL)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 25, 2013, 00:35
Ricco Speaks

Quote
also the 2008 tour have come out only at 4 positive epo wax when in fact the list was 48 but how come nn is out?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Francois the Postman on June 25, 2013, 03:02
Did this news item feature here yet?

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Sport/article/detail/3463774/2013/06/23/Spaanse-politie-rolt-dopingbendes-op.dhtml

Spanish police busts 2 dope rings, arrests 84 suspects, and confiscates 700,000 boxes with performance enhancing products.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 25, 2013, 15:14
Taken from somewhere else, so could be bullsh*t:

Rasmussen's revelations had more impact that we've not seen.
Check the news tomorrow. Riis is fliped.
I'll leave a hint. Who is the most popular danish rider with local fans?

Where's this coming from?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 25, 2013, 15:21
A thread about Rasmussen, somehwere else. So as I said it could be nothing more than complete bullsh*t.

Fair enough. Would have to be one of the Soerensens presumably. But I don't know what if anything of real interest there will be in that.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 25, 2013, 15:27
It would fit with Jesper Worre being cordially shown the door at DCU.
No embargoed article on Feltet.dk though, yet - I can tell you that much.

Nicki would make the most sense of the active riders. He's knee-deep in the stuff from the old days, but has made it this far without anything really sticking to him.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 25, 2013, 15:30
The Nicki story has been floating around a while, hasn't it? I seem to remember the Danish press prodding him about it before when the Chicky World stuff was coming out.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 25, 2013, 15:35
It has, but it never made the big news really.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 25, 2013, 15:43
Fus will be looking out for notable absences at tonight's nats event in Danky.  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 25, 2013, 15:46
There's absolutely no reason why any of the Saxo pros should show up there, so their absence wouldn't be unusual. Most of them come from Jylland anyway. Mørkøv is from Kokkedal (about 10 km down the road from where the TTT nationals are held), he might show up.

I won't myself, though.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 25, 2013, 17:08
The UCI disputes Riccò's claims:

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UCI statement: Cycling News report on 2008 Tour de France anti-doping

An article in Cycling News today reported that the Italian rider Riccardo Riccò, who is currently suspended for doping until April 2024, claimed on social media that many more riders had tested positive for EPO at the 2008 Tour de France than the four who were caught.
Riccò, Stefan Schumacher, Leonardo Piepoli and Bernhard Kohl all returned positive tests at the 2008 Tour. But Riccò claimed on his Twitter account that more riders had tested positive.
This unsubstantiated claim is totally untrue. In the 2008 Tour de France, the French anti-doping agency (AFLD) was solely responsible for carrying out all anti-doping testing. The UCI was not involved in the testing as the 2008 Tour de France was not on the UCI calendar but was organized as a national event.
However, any adverse analytical finding from a test that was carried out during the 2008 Tour de France was reported by the lab directly to AFLD with a copy to UCI and WADA and was seen and reviewed by AFLD, UCI and WADA. It is simply not possible for a positive test to be covered up.

"The UCI was not involved in the testing as the 2008 Tour de France was not on the UCI calendar but was organized as a national event" - why bother with this press release then? They had nothing to do with it, they say.

"It is simply not possible for a positive test to be covered up" - wording, people. Wording. :fp
Someone could take this - in and of itself true - statement, and twist it to create more trouble for the UCI. Put in a simple "at this particular Tour", and you're covered. Only that would of course imply some other things... :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ansimi on June 26, 2013, 01:40
I envision Ricco in being interrogated in a French police station. The officer says something like "we have 48 names on this list, we already know, tell us everything and maybe we can work something out". Police make up stuff like that all the time.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 26, 2013, 16:48
fits in so many places

but shane Stokes talks Pat and Lance - http://www.newstalk.ie/UCI-did-not-check-Armstrongs-blood-values-during-his-comeback (http://www.newstalk.ie/UCI-did-not-check-Armstrongs-blood-values-during-his-comeback)  interviewed for off the ball
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 26, 2013, 17:17
How could the UCI not be responsible.. Pat said its against WADA rules for them to outsource anti doping :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on June 26, 2013, 17:37
fits in so many places

but shane Stokes talks Pat and Lance - http://www.newstalk.ie/UCI-did-not-check-Armstrongs-blood-values-during-his-comeback (http://www.newstalk.ie/UCI-did-not-check-Armstrongs-blood-values-during-his-comeback)  interviewed for off the ball

This off the ball team are red hot at the moment and they've signed up Kimmage for the Tour. Brilliant.

McQuaid should challenge Cookson to a public debate.

McQuaid would win it on the night.

But then when the results come in from the media and armchair analysts over the following days, McQuaid would be disqualified for excessive bullsh*tting.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 27, 2013, 17:11
A very good point:
https://twitter.com/Bonnie_D_Ford/status/350283902394441731 (https://twitter.com/Bonnie_D_Ford/status/350283902394441731)
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W/all due respect to well-meaning folks in cycling/anti-doping, pls come up with alternative phrase for "truth & reconciliation." #mandela
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 27, 2013, 17:15
A very good point:
https://twitter.com/Bonnie_D_Ford/status/350283902394441731 (https://twitter.com/Bonnie_D_Ford/status/350283902394441731)

Umm why ?

It is what it is meant to represent , truth and reconciliation.

Mandela is not the 1st person or last involved in south Africa's cleansing process.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 27, 2013, 17:43
In my opinion, she wouldn't have needed to put in the "Mandela" at the end - in fact, she shouldn't have.

But the point stands.
Truth and reconciliation committees is what they had in South Africa after the apartheid, or in Rwanda after the 1994 genocide.
And no matter how important cycling is to us, and how important it is to get doping out of cycling as much as possible, it can under no circumstances compare to those historical events.

Therefore I think another name should be found. It's only a name.
If you now say that I've disproven my entire point with that - it IS only a name. But names can be important to people.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 27, 2013, 19:57
For the sake of arguments , who me  :D

What are going to call it

Fact and forgiveness.

Just because something deals with horrible circuit circumstances does not mean the works are not fit for cycling, the meaning is environmental , but we want the true And reconciliation.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Francois the Postman on June 27, 2013, 23:08
Coming Clean
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on June 28, 2013, 01:39
I'm with you Fus.  I think calling it "truth & reconciliation" is disrespectful and demeaning to the South African people and what they went through.

We are talking about sport ... not life and death.   Yes our sport needs some kind of process to deal with its issues, but we should call it something else
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ram on June 28, 2013, 03:22
Truth and reconciliation.... The scheme by which excessive funds are spent for professional who lied through their career to lie after it.

Call it redistribution of truth, that way Mugabe gets represented.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joachim on June 28, 2013, 06:12
I think Cookson made some very good points about T&R. It needs a lot of thought put into it first about the possible consequences, as well as consideration to whether the outcomes would be positive. I think Brailsford said something similar.

A lot of people are having a knee-jerk reaction to it of "ooh, that's a good idea"......... but actually, is it?

T&R in post-apartheid SA, or Rwanda was about bringing back together a divided community, and stopping the disputes by getting everyone to face up to their wrongdoing.

I cant see how cycling can be an equivalent. It is one community, all it on it.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 28, 2013, 23:24
Bertagnolli banned for 2 years 10 months for Passport violations.
Reduced to one year and five months for co-operating. Elible to return at the end of November (but already retired)

If he wishes to return Bertagnolli will have to pay the UCI 50,000 euro fine (reduced from 98,000 euro)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 02, 2013, 12:59
Vande Velde bittersweet over final ride at Tour de France (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/tour-de-france/vande-velde-bittersweet-over-final-ride-at-tour-de-france_293089)

good read imo
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on July 02, 2013, 13:07
Vande Velde bittersweet over final ride at Tour de France (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/tour-de-france/vande-velde-bittersweet-over-final-ride-at-tour-de-france_293089)

good read imo
I agree.
One part of the interview stood out to me:
Quote
“We got laughed at,” Vande Velde said. “People said, ‘what are you talking about? You don’t do anything? Nothing at all?’ I got laughed at a lot.”
I wonder who was laughing at them?
I didn't read anything like that in his USADA testimony.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 02, 2013, 13:12
I agree.
One part of the interview stood out to me:I wonder who was laughing at them?
I didn't read anything like that in his USADA testimony.

2006 and onwards was not really mentioned much in the USADA report as far as I can remember
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 02, 2013, 14:08
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0627/mag_talansky_576.jpg)


http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9417168/what-expect-american-cyclist-andrew-talansky-tour-de-france-espn-magazine (http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9417168/what-expect-american-cyclist-andrew-talansky-tour-de-france-espn-magazine)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on July 02, 2013, 23:42
Today's TTT was the fastest in History, 57.8 kph.

Hitch makes an interesting point on another forum,

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Its still significant though. the Tour ttts from the Armstrong era may have been long but there have been plenty of short ttts in recent years.

The Giro ttt has been 25km (todays distance) or shorter every year since 2007 apart from 2010 which was a few k longer. And that includes the mega doped 2007 2008 and 2009 giros of course, all of which were strong contenders for the most doped gt of all time prize.

The Vuelta since 2006 has had 5 ttts, all of them 16km or less. In the Armstrong (Heras) era the Vuelta had 3 team time trials, all of them similar lengh to today (24, 28 and 28km respectively)

Also most of those ttts were stage 1 and didnt come after 3 days of racing, a transfer and half the peloton nursing injuries.

Like most team time trials today was a circuit that finished where it started so it cant be explained by wind.

There are other variables to consider like how technical the circuit is, and it would be difficult to make direct comparisons between this and any other specific ttt.
But when you have a sample size of 6 ttts from the giro 8 ttts from the Vuelta, and 1 from the Tour, of this length or shorter from the last decade, and this is by far the fastest one, it does seem to at least offer a peripheral challenge the narrative that things are getting slower.

Even if we assume 2011 Tour was clean, 2011 and 2012 vueltas were clean and 2013 and 2012 giros were clean, this is still faster (and quite a bit) than all 10 ttts of this distance or less from the "doped era". (that cq has recorded since it formed anyway)

Someone has some explaining to do about a cleanER peloton.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on July 03, 2013, 00:05
That was just a response to an ongoing conversation there about the significance of this ttt being "the fastest ever". I read the same thing on twitter earlier so I thought it had backing and i was just responding to that debate.

However when I checked the results myself giro 2011 was faster, so this was 2nd of 15 ( or 11 if you prefer) not 1st. Still important perhaps,  but not as much.

My post was just brainstorming anyway.  other people will know better than me how important the other factors are in a ttt. The circuit today at first glance does not strike me as particularly fast, (no elevation lost,  has quite a lot of turns and wind works both ways) but again, i dont know exactly how it compares to others. Nevertheless it is surprising that  given all this hype about everyone going so much slower, the ttt  was so much faster compared to others.



Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 03, 2013, 00:29
there were some turns, but basically a lot of people were predicting a very fast time because it was essentially out and back - straight enough (though a few technical turns at the start) and one for 'the big engines'

But yes - wind not really a factor as its both ways, no elevation lost ... you would think there would have been TTT's with those factors involved.

Interesting thoughts.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on July 03, 2013, 00:39
CQ have that TTT at 21.5km, but CN/wiki/steephill and others have it at 19.3 so if that is the case it would be slower by a couple of kilometres an hour or so.

Thanks for that. I have a pre giro booklet from a Spanish cycling magazine from May 2011 and it also says 19.3.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on July 03, 2013, 06:48
"@cyclopathy: Lance:  "The Tour de France? No. Impossible to win without doping.” Problem is, we hear the truth the whole time, but we believe in lies"

"@cyclopathy: @Ben_M_Berry @lancearmstrong it will NEVER stop. As we speak, somewhere a drug designer is preparing the next undetectable substance"

"@cyclopathy: Dear UCI, Pantani is NOT the problem, the problem is the ones still riding and that you dont retest their few years ago samples"

@cyclopathy: @Ben_M_Berry @lancearmstrong I do not blame UCI either, they had to "protect" the sport...UEFA does it, all federations do it"

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 03, 2013, 11:13
Bölts: unavoidable pressure to dope in the late 1990s (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bolts-unavoidable-pressure-to-dope-in-the-late-1990s)

Pressure from the sponsor, the fear of not getting a new contract, and lying to one's family and friends – these are the things that Bölts said he had to deal with.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on July 05, 2013, 14:19
A good read about Sandro Donati

http://www.chrisharrisonwriting.com/journalism/_3/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on July 06, 2013, 17:52
A good read about Sandro Donati

http://www.chrisharrisonwriting.com/journalism/_3/
Very interesting piece, and still worth a read 10 years after.
Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: esafosfina on July 08, 2013, 21:04
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/cnt/DMF20130708_00651649?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=koers&utm_content=article&utm_campaign=seeding

Not sure if it's been posted before...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joachim on July 08, 2013, 21:12
In Engels?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: esafosfina on July 08, 2013, 21:25
Oh God... I'm too rusty to translate... L'Arri? Help a brother out here mate...!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on July 08, 2013, 21:29
http://au.eurosport.com/cycling/tour-de-france/2013/brailsford-controversial-leinders-an-error-of-judgment_sto3834385/story.shtml

"The whole thing is my responsibility. I will take that squarely on the chin. It's something I regret, it's a mistake," Brailsford told a news conference.

"I should not have done it. I made an error of judgment."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joachim on July 08, 2013, 21:32
I've fed it into Google and itbdoesnt seem to be anything new.
Brailsford says he should never have hired him, it was a mistake and he has to take responsibility for that.


(Not quite sure what taking responsibility for it means because I personally don't think he has)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 08, 2013, 22:09
Oh God... I'm too rusty to translate... L'Arri? Help a brother out here mate...!

Zero Dutch, I'm afraid, esa! Wrong side of Belgium for me! :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on July 08, 2013, 22:10
it's from today's press conference, so it's the same quote as in the link to Eurosport I posted up there
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on July 08, 2013, 23:07
here you go, the whole press conference in English
https://soundcloud.com/cycling-central/podcast-8-july-2013-team-sky

Brailsford puts his best pr spin on it, but my conclusion is that Froome is nice but dim - Sunday revealed it to the peloton.

The strongest individual does not always win 3-week bike races - the strongest and most intelligent teams do...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on July 12, 2013, 12:15
Maikin, Solomennikov and Ovechkin (all Rusvelo) tested positive in the russian championship's

http://biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=63888

Rusada has not published any additional information yet, regarding what substance and so on

Edit: original source (in russian) (http://www.rusada.ru/press/news/informatsiya-o-vremennom-otstranenii-velosport-0)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on July 12, 2013, 13:01
That makes 4 positives in 3 months for Rusvelo.

Which seeing as they are a member of MPCC means that they will be obliged to suspend themselves..

  :niceday
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: ansimi on July 12, 2013, 17:07
All these Russian positives is really odd. Is this happening in other sports too?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on July 12, 2013, 17:13
That makes 4 positives in 3 months for Rusvelo.

Which seeing as they are a member of MPCC means that they will be obliged to suspend themselves..

  :niceday

...for 8 days, on from the day of the next world tour race - but Rusvelo is not doing any more world tour races anyway this year, as far as I know
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on July 12, 2013, 17:17
All these Russian positives is really odd. Is this happening in other sports too?

yes, it is, there were like ~30 positives in athletics in Russia since last year (this article (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/08/us-doping-athletics-russia-idUSBRE9370I920130408) says there were ~two dozens, but it's from april and since then there were a couple more as far as I know)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on July 12, 2013, 17:33
Doesn't make a difference currently as anyways suspended themselves.. for now.. Lol what a fail this is: fp

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The Russian RusVelo team announced doping suspensions for three of its riders on Friday and cited the use of an asthma medication prescribed by a team doctor as the source of the banned substance found in all three. According to the UCI Pro Continental team, Andrey Solomennikov, Roman Maikin, and Artem Ovechkin registered positive tests for fenoterol at the Russian national championships in late June.

Fenoterol, an adrenergic agonist, acts as a bronchodialator, opening the lungs. The substance is banned for in-competition use by the World Anti-Doping Code.

“The internal team investigation proved that the drug was contained in asthma medication used by the athletes for acute asthma episodes. The medication which contained the prohibited substance was prescribed to the athletes by the team doctor,” the team said in a statement. “The team will now apply all appropriate sanctions to the team doctor for this mistake. The riders are currently temporarily suspended from competitions and team trainings until the decision of the Disciplinary Committee of the national anti-doping agency, RUSADA.

“Rusvelo management reminds that the main principle of the team is zero tolerance for doping. We support clean cycling and we intend to continue doing that.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/news/three-rusvelo-positive-for-banned-bronchodialator_294822
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on July 22, 2013, 15:39
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-rules-uv-light-blood-treatments-in-germany-were-not-doping

A strange case
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: taiwan on July 22, 2013, 16:24
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-rules-uv-light-blood-treatments-in-germany-were-not-doping

A strange case
Didn't think too much about this, but it seems pretty extreme to be prepared to have blood extracted to undergo some grey-area treatment at age 18.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on July 22, 2013, 16:27
yep, it is, but I still think at that age it's most likely not the athlete to be blamed
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: taiwan on July 22, 2013, 16:39
That's true, you don't really know what you're doing at that age.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joachim on July 22, 2013, 22:57
What's baseball?



 :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on July 22, 2013, 23:27
Braun suspended, apparently things about to get really ugly for A-Rod. ESPN saying that there is a lot more evidence on Arod than Braun
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: pedaling squares on July 23, 2013, 05:49
MLB looking tough but crime still pays in baseball.

Quote
Braun has an $8.5 million salary this year, which means he will forfeit more than $3 million during his suspension. He is owed some $133 million through the 2020 season after signing a $105 million extension two years ago but the Brewers cannot void his contract because of this violation.

So he gets a $105M extension, almost certainly due to his use of PED's, and this result will only cost him $3M as the team cannot break the contract. Was it worth it? Hell yeah. What a lesson to young players.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joachim on July 23, 2013, 18:18
Lots of "I know but I can't tell you" posturing going on about the former tour winner alledged to have recently tested positive.

Won't be long before it gets leaked.

My three guesses: Valverde, Scarponi, Cobo
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on July 23, 2013, 18:23
MLB looking tough but crime still pays in baseball.

So he gets a $105M extension, almost certainly due to his use of PED's, and this result will only cost him $3M as the team cannot break the contract. Was it worth it? Hell yeah. What a lesson to young players.

Yeah, @Cyclopathy said the best thing would be, if a rider gets caught, it's pay back all earnings + interest - not a bad idea, imo.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on July 30, 2013, 07:34
http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2013/07/29/2375881/alex-rodriguez-may-prove-how-pointless-baseballs-drug-testing-program-really-is/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: kabloemski on July 30, 2013, 12:58
Wow "Et tu, Brute?" 

Baseball is clean I tell you, no cheats whatsoever! :P

He he well I usually follow Think Progress for political pieces, when I saw a doping piece I just *had* to share!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Merckx Index on July 30, 2013, 18:56
Thanks for the link, Kabs. Now here’s an interesting analysis of why pressuring suppliers may be the best way to get at users. The author begins with pointing out that drug usage involves supply and demand, and that one can try to reduce it by focusing on either demand (testing athletes and penalizing them for being positive) or supply (focusing on dealers/doctors/labs and penalizing them for aiding athletes). An analysis of the supply-demand curve suggests that the supply-side approach doesn’t work very well, unless it is used as a tool to get at demand (threaten suppliers unless they turn in the users). The analysis is applied to the Biogenesis scandal in American Major League Baseball, but clearly has applications to cycling as well:

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The goal was never to actually pursue the damages against Biogenesis, but to compel Biogenesis to cooperate with evidence. As shown with Ryan Braun last year, it can be extremely challenging to impose the demand-side costs by testing alone. As shown with Ryan Braun this year, it can be much easier to threaten the supply-side into turning in the demand-side with clearer evidence, and then punishing the player. This is the reverse policy of the drug war. Law enforcement in the War on Drugs threatens small punishments against users, but offers plea bargains to turn in dealers as an alternative. Major League Baseball has opted to threaten the supplie[r]s to turn in the users. As long as the probability of catching players this way is high enough, this becomes an effective strategy. Value judgments aside, that is how you wage a war on drugs if you’re going to do it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-economics-of-baseballs-war-on-drugs/

See also my post on the Athletics thread, an interview with Victor Conte in which he describes what Biogenesis was doing, and how MLB could catch more dopers if they tested more often, and used the isotope test more frequently.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 31, 2013, 07:13
MI or anyone if a marker is put into a drug, is it also usually found in the black market product.

if so my are markers not made law in all drugs and instead of testing for products , tests for markers are used - which should be easier
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 31, 2013, 12:39
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQf8aNfCMAAn_B7.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 31, 2013, 13:14
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQf8aNfCMAAn_B7.jpg:large)


Some numbers:

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 31, 2013, 16:16
This was just linked on twitter

Scandal in the Tour de France [Infographic]
 (http://www.business2community.com/infographics/scandal-in-the-tour-de-france-infographic-0568404)

(http://cdn.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tourdefrance.png)

which

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on July 31, 2013, 17:30
Some numbers:


that chart is complete and utter innacurate balls..

Its purely based on Biological Passport tests, not blood tests, nor overall tests.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 01, 2013, 19:56
A couple of rusvelo guys left some stuff behind when in the US

http://cyclocosm.tumblr.com/post/57073456832/housewarming-gifts-apparently-probably-not-left
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on August 01, 2013, 22:22
A couple of rusvelo guys left some stuff behind when in the US

http://cyclocosm.tumblr.com/post/57073456832/housewarming-gifts-apparently-probably-not-left

has anyone identified the 'stuff'.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on August 02, 2013, 00:20
Considering Schleck worked with Fuentes, rode for Riis, I don't think its a stretch at all to say all his results were doped.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on August 02, 2013, 12:23
Doping: Padua magistrate says nothing has changed in cycling

Italian investigator says doping still rampant, including two new undetectable variants of EPO

http://road.cc/content/news/72609-doping-padua-magistrate-says-nothing-has-changed-cycling#comment-186750

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on August 02, 2013, 12:41
Poor Willy Voet though, being labelled a masseuse. :D

...and Festina had a french license in 1998, DS Bruno Roussel was french, most riders where french - so I don't think you can call them a "spanish team", despite having run under a spanish license in the early 90's
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joachim on August 02, 2013, 14:44
Doping: Padua magistrate says nothing has changed in cycling

Italian investigator says doping still rampant, including two new undetectable variants of EPO

http://road.cc/content/news/72609-doping-padua-magistrate-says-nothing-has-changed-cycling#comment-186750

Is something dated 7 months ago news?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: benotti69 on August 02, 2013, 15:23
Is something dated 7 months ago news?

Yes, as much as someone doping in 1998.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on August 03, 2013, 20:23
Sérgio Ribeiro caught for passport irregularities.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ribeiro-handed-12-year-ban-by-portuguese-federation

Maybe this will get his very own Wikipedia page to pop up when googling his name and the word cycling, best of luck with that for him.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on August 03, 2013, 21:27
Sérgio Ribeiro caught for passport irregularities.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ribeiro-handed-12-year-ban-by-portuguese-federation

Maybe this will get his very own Wikipedia page to pop up when googling his name and the word cycling, best of luck with that for him.

CN does however seem to have missed the bio-passport suspension of Antonio Amorim last month, who was Ribeiro's teammate at Efapel last season.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on August 05, 2013, 20:03
In a program aired 1 hour ago on danish television. featured an interview taped in the spring where Michael Skelde Claus Hembo owner of CWO stated that he still sees some strange things, and mentioned the Tour of Algeria where two riders put almost 10 minutes on Stefan Schumacher on the last stage. One of them Sayar already tested positive, Víctor de la Parte is the other one. And also pointed to less testing in more southern countries mentioning Spain and Italy in specific.

Race result: http://www.velowire.com/UCIcyclingcalendar/race/985/tour-d-algerie.html

Note correction in names, thanks to Fus for correcting me, that went a little fast I think
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: oitallefotua on August 05, 2013, 20:09
In a program aired 1 hour ago on danish television. featured an interview taped in the spring where Michael Skelde owner of CWO stated that he still sees some strange things, and mentioned the Tour of Algeria where two riders put almost 10 minutes on Stefan Schumacher on the last stage. One of them Sayar already tested positive, Víctor de la Parte is the other one. And also pointed to less testing in more southern countries mentioning Spain and Italy in specific.

Race result: http://www.velowire.com/UCIcyclingcalendar/race/985/tour-d-algerie.html

Ugh. The typical 'the darker the skin the dirtier the field' :puke
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on August 05, 2013, 20:14
Ugh. The typical 'the darker the skin the dirtier the field' :puke

Not really, he was more stating that the controls was not very good. which I can see some truth in, it would seem hard to justify a lot of money in Spain going to controls giving the unemployment rate. They also showed control of a Post Cup event in Denmark. Where they tested the Podium and random. and it varried apperently, for such level I think it makes for really well testing.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joachim on August 05, 2013, 20:36
Doesn't the US have an alarmingly low rate of testing?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 05, 2013, 20:40
Doesn't the US have an alarmingly low rate of testing?

Maybe and how often do CWO  race there, you can only comment on what you have seen.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on August 05, 2013, 20:53
Michael Skelde owner of CWO

Correction: Michael Skelde is owner of Skelde Cykling, organising the cycling team that was known for many years as Glud & Marstrand, and is now Team Cult Energy.
The owner of CWO that you're referring to is Claus Hembo (probably, haven't seen the program myself yet).
Very important difference.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joachim on August 05, 2013, 20:57
@ Byop Well, I'm not taking a pop at the US, just being vaguely supportive of Olifatuna's racism point.

But I saw some statistics (WADA, I think) recently and was shocked at how few tests were conducted in the US and equally surprised at how many were done in the UK. I didn't spend much time reading the details so don't take it as given as I may have misunderstood them
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: oitallefotua on August 05, 2013, 21:43
@ Byop Well, I'm not taking a pop at the US, just being vaguely supportive of Olifatuna's racism point.

My name is oitallefotua.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on August 05, 2013, 21:50
Correction: Michael Skelde is owner of Skelde Cykling, organising the cycling team that was known for many years as Glud & Marstrand, and is now Team Cult Energy.
The owner of CWO that you're referring to is Claus Hembo (probably, haven't seen the program myself yet).
Very important difference.

Yes you are very right it was Claus Hembo, why I get those mixed up always I really don't know.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on August 05, 2013, 23:01
I don't know about the current status of Operacion Carrera but Victor De La Parte was named in that bust - the 2011 one with the link to an Andorran pharmacy - and he was riding with Caja Rural back then. I doubt that he was totally cleared of any involvement.

Guillaume Pont was the sole Frenchman named in that investigation. Pont was riding for SP Tableware before testing positive for EPO. SP Tableware is De La Parte's current team. A modest 10-man UCI Continental squad, SP Tableware has always batted above its weight though only one star rider ever came from there: Ioannis Tamouridis, who now rides for EUS.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Sauna in Duvel on August 09, 2013, 10:50
As per retweet by Dim of last eve:

Pro Cycling Stats @ProCyclingStats
Positive dopingtest for Ilaria Sanguineti @BePinkTeam http://pic.twitter.com/Xi1qHKC6ft

Clostebol, from a medicine called Trofodermin, which apparently (according to Wikipedia) contains Clostebol in Italy, but not in many other countries.

I did attempt to translate the document above via translate and it suggests she crashed stage 2 of the Giro, took some treatment for skin damage, and it showed up in a later race. She went to the Federation, explained error and took a receipt for the drug. Awaiting outcome on sanction.

Recently likened to Peter Sagan for wheelies on the bike: http://pic.twitter.com/u6PjcxhL6y

Also now found the original thread on the forum! I did search by name!. :slow



Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on August 09, 2013, 22:21
http://twitter.com/mattslaterbbc/status/365945627894497282
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 10, 2013, 06:59
http://twitter.com/mattslaterbbc/status/365945627894497282

The more you look the worse it gets , everyday for years and years

Anti doping , meh
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 20, 2013, 06:54
Another fat troubled cricketer with booze issues gets done for weight loss drugs.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/story/663593.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 22, 2013, 11:19
Spanish Study into Doping / cycling

Attitudes towards Doping and Related Experience in Spanish National Cycling Teams According to Different Olympic Disciplines (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0070999)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on August 23, 2013, 00:56
Cycling Australia statutatory declarations for all riders to sign.

http://www.cycling.org.au/site/cycling/national/downloads/2013/Admin/CA-ACT%20NT%20-%20No%20doping%20declaration%20policy.pdf

failure to sign document, lose CA registration (so cant ride worlds), sign to say doped, referred to panel.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on August 26, 2013, 19:41
http://twitter.com/hinaultseb/status/372061422076706816

"I'm nearly the same age as him but he doesn't inspire me much, the new leader of the Vuelta! #jailuhamilton"
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 27, 2013, 17:40
Rio got any important sporting events coming up  :rolleye

Quote
WADA revokes accreditation of Rio de Janeiro Laboratory
August 27, 2013
The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has revoked the accreditation of the laboratory the LAB DOP – LADETEC / IQ – UFRJ Doping Control Laboratory (LADETEC) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil due to non-compliance with the International Standard for Laboratories (ISL) and the related Technical Documents.

The revocation will enter into force September 25, 2013 and means that the laboratory – which is currently suspended – will no longer be authorized to carry out the testing of doping control samples on behalf of WADA or any testing authority.

In the meantime, the suspension remains applicable and LADETEC is therefore ineligible to perform analysis of doping control samples for any testing authority.

The decision was taken by WADA’s Executive Committee following a thorough review of the status of the laboratory by WADA’s Disciplinary Panel.WADA suspended the Rio laboratory accreditation on August 8, 2013 before a decision on revocation was taken by the Executive Committee.

The laboratory may appeal this decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport within 21 days. It may also choose to reapply for accreditation, and can seek “fast track” process from the Executive Committee.

The decision made by WADA’s Executive Committee marks the second time the Rio laboratory has fallen below the required standards set by WADA. The laboratory was also suspended for nine months in January 2012, before being reinstated following a WADA site visit that ensured the proper corrective actions had been implemented.

Pursuant to the ISL, WADA is responsible for accrediting and re-accrediting anti-doping laboratories, thereby ensuring that they maintain the highest quality standards. This monitoring role is conducted in conjunction with ISO assessment by independent national accreditation bodies that are full members of the International Laboratory Accreditation Cooperation (ILAC).

Whenever a laboratory does not meet ISL requirements, WADA may suspend the laboratory’s accreditation. WADA may revoke a laboratory’s accreditation for repeated failures to comply with the ISL and related Technical Documents.

http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-revokes-accreditation-of-rio-de-janeiro-laboratory/ (http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-revokes-accreditation-of-rio-de-janeiro-laboratory/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 03, 2013, 15:46
Emma Pooley appointed to UK Anti-Doping Athlete Committee (http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20130903-about-bc-news-Emma-Pooley-appointed-to-UK-Anti-Doping-Athlete-Committee-0)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on September 10, 2013, 16:47
Report is that Androni has suspended Francesco Reda, a rider I very nearly added to my Index of Suspicion.

http://www.direttaciclismo.it/news/doping/francesco-reda-sospeso-13030.php (IT)

http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/22883/androni-venezuela-schorst-francesco-reda.html (NL)

Reda is back again on the road, he did take part in GP de Fourmies this weekend.

interestingly, according to Savio, it was the UCI who forced Androni to let him ride again

Quote
(gt)  "On March 13, we stopped the runner Francesco Reda to protect his health, we had subsequently reinstated and then suspended on June 21 as the International Cycling Union had requested the Italian Cycling Federation to open a disciplinary investigation against him for potential anti-doping rule violation. Although suspended the athlete has continued to receive a regular monthly salary.
Now the U.C.I. has forced us to re-integrate the runner, although it is always open disciplinary proceedings against him. We take note of, and in compliance with a decision, which we believe truly unique and absolutely do not agree, we will register the runner at the Grand Prix de Fourmies scheduled for Sunday, September 8.

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/altri_sport/ciclismo/2013/09/07-333901/%C2%ABL%E2%80%99Uci+ci+impone+di+far+correre+Reda%C2%BB
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on September 10, 2013, 18:33
nice PR from Androni. covers Savio's rear end. he won't want an off-season like two years ago.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 11, 2013, 06:59
Goodtimes indeed :fp

http://news.sky.com/story/1139722/report-reveals-flaws-in-drug-testing-in-sport (http://news.sky.com/story/1139722/report-reveals-flaws-in-drug-testing-in-sport)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 13, 2013, 10:06
Not really doping news but

(http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/files/2013/09/Abbott-lift-edit.jpg)

Amgen and *au new prime minister

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/09/13/cheap-at-twice-the-price-the-prime-minister-and-big-pharma (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/09/13/cheap-at-twice-the-price-the-prime-minister-and-big-pharma)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 19, 2013, 08:49

rant mod on

these things pee me off , if you do not want to be woken up then put a different time on your wearabouts form through Adams - If the time is 6-7 then just flipping deal with it you wrote the time down.

flipping idiots , and I like Ludvigsson as a rider , meh

rant mode off
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Tuart on September 19, 2013, 11:08
So you've never been annoyed by late traffic, a long sprint stage, a minor inconvenience you had to get through then?

There was nothing in that tweet where you could assume HE was having a rant or was anything but annoyed by the inconvenience.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 19, 2013, 11:17
So you've never been annoyed by late traffic, a long sprint stage, a minor inconvenience you had to get through then?

There was nothing in that tweet where you could assume HE was having a rant or was anything but annoyed by the inconvenience.

part of his job , if they do not like it change time of tests or stop competing simple
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Tuart on September 19, 2013, 11:19
Not really doping news but

(http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/files/2013/09/Abbott-lift-edit.jpg)

Amgen and *au new prime minister

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/09/13/cheap-at-twice-the-price-the-prime-minister-and-big-pharma (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/09/13/cheap-at-twice-the-price-the-prime-minister-and-big-pharma)
I did notice that on the photos and media video bites. Caused a bit of a wince.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Tuart on September 19, 2013, 11:22
part of his job , if they do not like it change time of tests or stop competing simple
So if you don't like watching sprint stages, don't watch them, simple.

If you don't like waiting in traffic commuting, walk/cycle, simple.

Being annoyed at something =/= ranting/raging at it or complaining about the anti-doping process. That's your assumption.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 19, 2013, 11:28
So if you don't like watching sprint stages, don't watch them, simple.

If you don't like waiting in traffic commuting, walk/cycle, simple.

Being annoyed at something =/= ranting/raging at it or complaining about the anti-doping process. That's your assumption.

go read the post again , hint the typed bits are my thoughts on the tweet

complaining about being woken up and the sarcastic I did not want sleep - it is his fault they came a 6am

 bit argumentative today tuarts ?

the above examples you give are outside of your/my control putting down 6am-7am for doping control makes it in the riders control - so complaining commenting about being woken up, when you put the time down is stupid

same as asking for a wake up call in a hotel only to bitch about being woken up = stupid 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Tuart on September 19, 2013, 11:38
go read the post again , hint the typed bits are my thoughts on the tweet

complaining about being woken up and the sarcastic I did not want sleep - it is his fault they came a 6am

 bit argumentative today tuarts ?

the above examples you give are outside of your/my control putting down 6am-7am for doping control makes it in the riders control - so complaining commenting about being woken up, when you put the time down is stupid

same as asking for a wake up call in a hotel only to bitch about being woken up = stupid

I'm argumentative but you're the one calling riders flipping idiots for a casual tweet about being annoyed? Right...

Remember that, it was a tweet. Not an article with quotes complaining about the process of having to designate a time (normally early because it's the most feasible and practical) to be contacted for a drug test.

The above examples are similar analogies to what can happen. You choose to watch a race, you choose to do something with your time that you can be doing other things with. Just because you make a negative remark about it, does not mean you suddenly hate cycling or want to stop watching . You just grumble and move on. Twitter is remarkable in that it does give people that sort of soapbox.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 19, 2013, 12:01
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=65927 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=65927)

GT

The Rusada, Russian Anti-Doping Agency has banned for life by Alexander Budaragin. The runner who started the season in the ranks of continental Helicopters accumulated two positives in less than a year.

The first by EPO, in July 2012 when he was caught in the sixth stage of the Tour de Martinique, in which the Russian rider won a stage and the final General. The second positive, a substance which has not yet been revealed, took place on June 4 in Izvetsk where a sleeve disputed Russian championship mountain.

Budaragin, 26, went through the ranks of the Romanian Continental Tusnad in 2011 and last year was stagiaire with Rusvelo. This 2013, after leaving mid April Helicopters, ran with the team of the Samara region. Its leading posts have been the 3rd in a stage of the Grand Prix of Adygeya, the 5th in the Five Rings of Moscow (2.2) or 8 ° in the two tests Ukrainian Race Horizon Park (both category 1.2), and just 35 ° National Championship.

The penalty is effective from July 10 this year.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2013, 09:35
he UCI advised Italian rider Stefano Agostini that he is provisionally suspended. The decision to provisionally suspend this rider was made in response to a report from the WADA-accredited laboratory in Köln indicating an adverse analytical finding of clostebol in a urine sample collected from him in an out of competition test on 21 August 2013.

The provisional suspension of Mr. Agostini remains in force until a hearing panel convened by the Italian Cycling Federation determines whether he has committed an anti-doping rule violation under Article 21 of the UCI Anti-Doping Rules.

Mr. Agostini has the right to request and attend the analysis of his B sample.

Under the World Anti-Doping Code and the UCI Anti-Doping Rules, the UCI is unable to provide any additional information at this time.

UCI Press Service

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails2011.asp?id=OTYyNw (http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails2011.asp?id=OTYyNw)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 23, 2013, 11:05
(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com//2013/08/12/2/pic388753179_220.jpg)

Bos cleared by Belkin to return to racing (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bos-cleared-by-belkin-to-return-to-racing)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 26, 2013, 14:58

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on September 26, 2013, 15:13
Last ditch attempt at presidential point scoring, anybody? :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 26, 2013, 15:41
Press Release: CADF announces new independent Foundation Board

26.09.2013

Addressing a meeting of UCI Management Committee, taking place alongside the 2013 Road World Championships in Florence, CADF Director Dr Francesca Rossi announced that the new Foundation Board will be presided over by Dr. George Ruijsch Van Dugteren. The board will also include two legal experts respectively in Swiss law and anti-doping/results management, Maitre Christophe Misteli and Thomas Capdevielle from IAAF, as well as a financial expert Yvan Haymoz.
Dr Rossi said of the new Foundation Board: “The new board does not include any members of the UCI senior management, further strengthening its independence from cycling's governing body. I am particularly delighted that Dr George Ruijsch will be chairing the new Foundation Board of the CADF. Dr Ruijsch is someone with enormous experience in the field of anti-doping, invaluable to the CADF. He will be accompanied in this role by an internationally recognised and eminent group of experts who will constitute the new board.”

Dr Rossi also announced that the CADF, which continues to work closely with the World Anti-Doping Agency, has been awarded an ISO certification from an independent standards body for all its activities.  The ISO 9001:2008 certification recognises the high quality of CADF's anti-doping activities in the areas of Test Planning, Registered Testing Pool, and Sample Collection.  Dr Rossi also confirmed that the supervision of the athletes' biological program remains outsourced to the Athlete Passport Management Unit (APMU) in Lausanne.

In addition, the Management Committee accepted the principles of the stakeholder working group proposals for major reforms of professional cycling submitted by the Professional Cycling Council (PCC). The reforms will start to come into effect in 2015 and will be completed by 2020, after a progressive implementation plan has been put in place.

UCI Communications Services
ogram remains outsourced to the Athlete Passport Management Unit (APMU) in Lausanne.
In addition, the Management Committee accepted the principles of the stakeholder working group proposals for major reforms of professional cycling submitted by the Professional Cycling Council (PCC). The reforms will start to come into effect in 2015 and will be completed by 2020, after a progressive implementation plan has been put in place.

UCI Communications Services
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 27, 2013, 09:11
WADA 2014 prohibited list published  (http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-publishes-2014-prohibited-list/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on September 30, 2013, 21:53
Sounds like a very hard hitting speech from Dick Pound

http://www.e-comlaw.com/world-sports-law-report/hottopic.asp?id=1364
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on September 30, 2013, 22:11
Sounds like a very hard hitting speech from Dick Pound

http://www.e-comlaw.com/world-sports-law-report/hottopic.asp?id=1364

Thanks, Uncle Keith!

Quote from: Pound
"Athletes caught in competition not only fail a doping test, but an IQ test"

I think this sums up where cycling has been for some years already. The testing isn't really working.

However, I also consider that the bio-passport borders on voodoo obscurantism and, as I have often felt, it gave the Verbruggen-McQuaid UCI and it still gives any other corrupt sporting body ample opportunity to deliver selective justice.

What's more, we have seen some recent opinions that manipulation could be continuing without the contractually-silenced ABP panel apparently noticing.

Time will tell what Cookson can do but this much is clear: in embracing WADA so wholeheartedly as he did last week, he can eventually start to pass the buck to someone else.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on September 30, 2013, 22:27
Thanks, Uncle Keith!

I think this sums up where cycling has been for some years already. The testing isn't really working.

However, I also consider that the bio-passport borders on voodoo obscurantism and, as I have often felt, it gave the Verbruggen-McQuaid UCI and it still gives any other corrupt sporting body ample opportunity to deliver selective justice.

What's more, we have seen some recent opinions that manipulation could be continuing without the contractually-silenced ABP panel apparently noticing.

Time will tell what Cookson can do but this much is clear: in embracing WADA so wholeheartedly as he did last week, he can eventually start to pass the buck to someone else.

Cookson has done three really clever moves right from the off:
1. Getting rid of responsibility for catching or sanctioning doping. Typical politco move and gives him the excuse forever "Not my problem"
2. Bringing onside Tracey Gaudrey. The hardest part of his manifesto was promising to improve the lot of womans cycling. He has effectively delegated this to Tracey now.
3. Distancing himself from Makarov. I don't believe this, but he can now manage the relationship through a more structured management committee with clear voting and transparency.

Where his potential minefields are:
1. The relationship with the Developing Nations. I don't think the Egyptian guy is strong enough to help Cookson with the sub-saharan African cpountries, let alone the Asian and South American federations. He will have to do a lot of work himself.
2. The relationship with the IOC. I expect Cookson will be making a lot of calls for help with Lord Coe and band of merrimen.
3. The relationship with the ProTour. It seems to me that half the bad press are the day to day fights with the ProTour various stakeholders and the UCI. How does he sort this out?
4. Most importantly, the internal organisation at the UCI. He probably has some good staff, but some were clearly fighting tooth and nail against change. He needs to get the organisation singing off the same song sheet and moving in his direction and not p*ssing inside the tent.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: pastronef on October 03, 2013, 19:45
Levi has retired but Specy is still sponsoring him

https://twitter.com/LeviLeipheimer/status/385599896247492608/photo/1

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 12, 2013, 20:18
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tramadol-abuse-in-the-cycling-peloton

Painkiller use pops up again
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 14, 2013, 13:51
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02697/armstrong_2697882b.jpg)

Anti-doping chief Travis Tygart hails cultural shift in cycling in the wake of Lance Armstrong’s fall from grace (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/10368824/Anti-doping-chief-Travis-Tygart-hails-cultural-shift-in-cycling-in-the-wake-of-Lance-Armstrongs-fall-from-grace.html)

agree to a point - more of a cultural shift away from blood doping to lean muscle mass non Bio passport type doping
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on October 15, 2013, 00:45
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tramadol-abuse-in-the-cycling-peloton

Painkiller use pops up again

Well I dont agree at all that its a doping issue.   Tramadol is a pain killer ... thats pretty much it.   If you can use codeine and NSAIDS (Ibuprofen etc) and paracetamol there is no issue with tramadol.

Its not performance enhancing - except to help a rider get through the pain.

Yes - the use of painkillers is an issue - and its one that they need to address.  The use of painkillers every day or on a regular basis is a health issue.  Most of those drugs are addictive and not good for you to be having all the time.  But it isnt performance enhancing.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 15, 2013, 00:51
Its not performance enhancing - except to help a rider get through the pain.

I would say being able to ride your bike and not feeling the pain would be preformance enhancing. Is it really allowed to be on codeine? in that case it is weird that riders aren't drinking lean during the classics.
(http://hiphophundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/cup.png)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on October 15, 2013, 00:59
hmm - not sure.  maybe codeine is.        :?

I dunno - I guess it depends on what you call performance enhancing.

I guess it is .. if you are using it to push through your natural pain barrier to keep going rather than just to get over an injury or something specific.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 15, 2013, 01:09
I guess it is .. if you are using it to push through your natural pain barrier to keep going rather than just to get over an injury or something specific.

I would say it is exactly for that reason, but I also see it is hard to define, I mean eating doing a GT instead of not eating for a month is probably preformance enhancing. Yet nobody would want that to be banned. So if painkillers should be okay or not is a good question, just like it can be disgussed if certain suplements should be allowed.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on October 21, 2013, 22:38
hmm - not sure.  maybe codeine is.        :?

I dunno - I guess it depends on what you call performance enhancing.

I guess it is .. if you are using it to push through your natural pain barrier to keep going rather than just to get over an injury or something specific.
Codeine is OK to use.

Tis a hard one, very much an issue that finish bottles kind of breed an unhealthy culture, but then, what about guys have 5 espressos before a crit? Hard one to draw a distinct line through.

Don't think you'll ever please everyone.

For me, I've raced once before on codeine to get through a race when I was good and proper injured and what not, but I'm not a fan, you tend to loose your perception of effort, you may push harder than you might in some circumstances, but you can just as easily cook yourself too early because you think you're superman.

I think it's all about the placebo of 'dropping' something...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on October 22, 2013, 07:15
yes.

I agree.

Its why I am a bit  :? when people suggest that doping is a big fat clear line in the sand.   To me its not. 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joachim on October 22, 2013, 07:37
...which is why a line is drawn by the relevant overseeing bodies charged (if you'll excuse the pun) with deciding which side of the line certain practices and substances should reside.

It has to be that way, and of course it is open to change as new activities emerge and new ways are found to exploit new and old substances.

Its the same with many sporting rules, and its absolutely OK for a sportsman to have his or her toes a fag paper's * width away from that line.

*note for septic readers. Fag paper= rolling cigarette paper.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 23, 2013, 07:36

as pointed out by florry in the chat, no real issue this year 2014 for 15 might
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 30, 2013, 12:17
3-4 % is massive

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 30, 2013, 15:53
3-4 % is massive

Red Bull cycling team would be dominant. Was it 3-4% more watts or 3-4% better time, if the latter then it is massive.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 30, 2013, 15:55
Red Bull cycling team would be dominant. Was it 3-4% more watts or 3-4% better time, if the latter then it is massive.

, power output was significantly enhanced after CAFF+BJ and CAFF (3.0% and 3.9% respectively, P < 0.01).
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 30, 2013, 15:58
, power output was significantly enhanced after CAFF+BJ and CAFF (3.0% and 3.9% respectively, P < 0.01).

Well a power output increase in that range is a significantly smaller time reduction, still if caffeine is allowed unlimited then maybe it could be used to improve performances.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 04, 2013, 05:07
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/al-hinds/blog/128515/rasmussen-hesjedal-weening-and-the-many-shades-of-transparency

Really good read, JV got a bit of this on twitter as well
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Tuart on November 06, 2013, 04:15
Sometimes I'm never quite sure if Al Hinds is the moonlighting alter-ego of Tanman
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 06, 2013, 12:42
this is re Ryder but the issue is more general

transparency and the new omerta

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/11/commentary/the-ryder-dilemma-when-to-come-in-from-the-dark_308771 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/11/commentary/the-ryder-dilemma-when-to-come-in-from-the-dark_308771)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 07, 2013, 22:40
Interesting read on Colombia and its apparently not-so-clean races:
http://www.cyclinginquisition.com/2013/10/colombia-must-rise-to-occassion.html (http://www.cyclinginquisition.com/2013/10/colombia-must-rise-to-occassion.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 08, 2013, 15:54
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 13, 2013, 08:29
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02732/mike-tyson_2732208b.jpg)

Confessing he had taken "blow" and "pot" before the bout, he said: “I had to use my whizzer, which was a fake penis where you put in someone’s clean urine to pass your drug test.”

Mike Tyson admits to being high on drugs during major fights, and using a fake penis to avoid detection (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/10444998/Mike-Tyson-admits-to-being-high-on-drugs-during-major-fights-and-using-a-fake-penis-to-avoid-detection.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2013, 08:57
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2013, 11:51

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on November 20, 2013, 13:40
Wait what? Bans why? Why only six months? Why backdated?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2013, 14:15
Wait what? Bans why? Why only six months? Why backdated?

No idea jams have looked on RSADA

Found this though  http://www.neurope.eu/news/wire/russian-cycling-team-suspends-3-riders-positive-doping-tests-national-championships
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2013, 15:56

Confirmed now
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2013, 15:57
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on November 20, 2013, 17:58
Are they all six months backdated? If the doctors are the only ones getting two years something is seriously wrong.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2013, 18:10
Are they all six months backdated? If the doctors are the only ones getting two years something is seriously wrong.

USADA meets RSADA basically the 3 riders threw the Dr under the bus

I assume , tis the way of the future , which is both bad and good, and the reason behind the 4 year bans or one of them

tell us all get 1 - 2 years or nothing get 4
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on November 20, 2013, 20:08
So it wasn't positive tests, then. 6 months for a confession of past misdeeds which you got away with is one thing. 6 months for failing a test and turning states evidence is another.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 22, 2013, 05:41
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/the-story-of-rick-crawford

Fits in so many threads Rick Crawford
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: pastronef on November 27, 2013, 22:13
from Lee Rodgers blog http://crankpunk.com

November 15, 2013
 a lazy re-post? no, a reaffirmation 

LA. Ballan. Sanchez. Ryder. Vaughters.

queasiness. unease. sickness. deception.

i’m re-posting this because we have to remember that WE are this sport. not them.

crank on, folks, crank on, and keep smiling…
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did i miss anything?

you ride because you love it. you ride because you need it. you ride because you want it. sometimes you ride because you don’t love, want or need it, you just do it because that is what you do. you ride because it stops you getting fat, you ride because it makes you well, you ride because you need the therapy, you ride because you need the escape. you ride because she rides. you ride because she doesn’t. or he does. or he doesn’t. or, you ride because they do. or because they don’t. (everyone covered there? good.) you ride to find God. or you ride because you know there is no God and because everything, ultimately, is futile and yet that matters so much and you may as well ride anyway because your time here is finite. you ride because you love the earth. you ride sometimes because you hate your self and f*ck can you ride fast when you are angry. you ride because you saw Stephen Roche fight his way back to within touching distance of Pedro Delgado on Stage 17 of the 1987 Tour de France, a feat that made you cry and still does, or you ride because there may be no finer thing in this world than the sight of a young Edouard Louis Joseph Baron Merckx in his Molteni jersey and that is all the inspiration you need. you ride because you once saw a grainy clip of the great Fausto Coppi and saw that pedaling motion, you felt its power and the touch of grace fleetingly upon your being and it has stayed with you forever
...


is Lee Rodgers sure that those 4 athletes were riding clean?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 27, 2013, 22:29
is Lee Rodgers sure that those 4 athletes were riding clean?
I'm fairly confident in saying that at least 3 of the 4 weren't.

But I think that's not the point Rodgers wants to make.
He says that these heroes of the past inspired him, in one way or another, to take up the sport. That doesn't directly have anything to do with the cleanness (or dirtyness) of those inspirations.
I ride (OK, mostly I watch others ride) because 13 years ago, I watched on the TV as small Spanish climber Javier Otxoa overcame the odds to win a Pyrénées queen stage. He won over a certain Lance Armstrong with 42 seconds to spare; and having been riding for Kelme, with today's knowledge I wouldn't put much on Javi being clean.
But that doesn't take away from the fact that it's inspiring to me to this day.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: pastronef on November 27, 2013, 22:35
I'm fairly confident in saying that at least 3 of the 4 weren't.

But I think that's not the point Rodgers wants to make.
He says that these heroes of the past inspired him, in one way or another, to take up the sport. That doesn't directly have anything to do with the cleanness (or dirtyness) of those inspirations.
I ride (OK, mostly I watch others ride) because 13 years ago, I watched on the TV as small Spanish climber Javier Otxoa overcame the odds to win a Pyrénées queen stage. He won over a certain Lance Armstrong with 42 seconds to spare; and having been riding for Kelme, with today's knowledge I wouldn't put much on Javi being clean.
But that doesn't take away from the fact that it's inspiring to me to this day.

the first memories for me were Chiappucci and the great Miguel, go figure
when Millar won that Tour stage in 2012 I was amazed and it was sooo great (and he confessed doping)

and I guess Ryder, Danielson, LA, Vaughters and so on, inspired some young kids that are riding now.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on November 27, 2013, 22:57
I'm fairly confident in saying that at least 3 of the 4 weren't.

Coppi was clean because doping wasn't against the rules when he rode. As far as the others then I would certainly tend to agree, it would be an almost certain 3 out of 4 for me too.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 30, 2013, 07:51
https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/406688061893128193
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 04, 2013, 09:25
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 04, 2013, 13:32
Androni Giocattoli boss: No more ex-dopers on my team (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/12/news/androni-giocattoli-boss-no-more-ex-dopers-on-my-team_310511)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on December 04, 2013, 14:03
No new contract for Emanuele Sella then (after the current one runs out)?

Or is Sella one of those Savio refers to with this:
Quote
“These riders recognized their errors, and they learned from their mistakes,” Savio continued. “All of these riders now are doing things in the correct way, and they have not repeated the same mistakes.”
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 05, 2013, 11:01
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15946/Report-Vinokourov-accuses-Astana-CFO-in-Liege-bribe-case-claims-he-hacked-his-email-to-set-him-up.aspx
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 05, 2013, 18:09
 :D  search

http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-divers-le-coni-veut-suspendre-francesco-reda-2-ans-dopage-37285.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 05, 2013, 21:45
:D  search

http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-divers-le-coni-veut-suspendre-francesco-reda-2-ans-dopage-37285.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

It's a buyer's market. Together with the 'pressure' of MPCC membership, Savio can afford now more than ever to boast that he has no need of ex-dopers, not least because Pellizotti was always going to be out the door as soon as he got the tricolore jersey and because Sella has done nothing but a few interesting breakaways since his comeback.

Reda is going to get busted shortly (this was CONI's own investigation) and I actually like that Savio suspended him back in April. That was a serious gesture from the old Signor Teflon. Even if the UCI put him back to work in the interim, CONI is now almost certainly going to freeze him and make Androni look bad (again).

Let's see if Savio's BS holds true this time around. Somehow I think it just might.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 06, 2013, 06:24
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15946/Report-Vinokourov-accuses-Astana-CFO-in-Liege-bribe-case-claims-he-hacked-his-email-to-set-him-up.aspx

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15954/Vinokourov-categorically-denies-accusing-Astana-CFO-of-hacking-his-email.aspx
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on December 06, 2013, 07:38
Kazakh politics.
It's a nasty business, and fought with all means available.

But I think Vino is just the right man to come out on topand  in the end become Nasarbayev's heir, if that's his ambition.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 08, 2013, 08:26
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 08, 2013, 09:03
I am all for the regulation of doctors in cycling, a sport that already regulates agents for goodness' sakes. I have always tried to include the identities of doctors in my research and I think that their role in so many doping incidents is too often overlooked or neglected.

In our society we seem to find it hard to question these self regulating, so called "liberal professions" but pro cycling has shown us time and again that doctors can be very corrupt even while there is occasionally some merit in certain of their arguments that they were only trying to help riders stay healthy in a deleterious sport.

I have relatively little knowledge of the medical profession but I have an idea for discussion:

In order to regulate doctors in cycling, I would require that a doctor show evidence of suitability. A doctor would remain a licensed "associate" or "consultant" to the sport for several years before being allowed to bed in with a team the way guys like Guardascione do, and in order for that to happen there would have to be some sort of independent peer review backed by evidence of propriety in sport(s) and, on the basis of recent embarassing cases, a written exam to demonstrate knowledge and hopefully compliance with WADA provisions.

A doctor in cycling could not hold any other posts that might produce conflict of interests. Again, this relates to the example of Guardascione giving seminars at CONI. A doctor could go on to occupy a relevant senior or advisory role in cycling management but not at the same time as holding a consultancy or in-house role with a trade or national team.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on December 08, 2013, 11:15
I am all for the regulation of doctors in cycling, a sport that already regulates agents for goodness' sakes. I have always tried to include the identities of doctors in my research and I think that their role in so many doping incidents is too often overlooked or neglected.

In our society we seem to find it hard to question these self regulating, so called "liberal professions" but pro cycling has shown us time and again that doctors can be very corrupt even while there is occasionally some merit in certain of their arguments that they were only trying to help riders stay healthy in a deleterious sport.

I have relatively little knowledge of the medical profession but I have an idea for discussion:

In order to regulate doctors in cycling, I would require that a doctor show evidence of suitability. A doctor would remain a licensed "associate" or "consultant" to the sport for several years before being allowed to bed in with a team the way guys like Guardascione do, and in order for that to happen there would have to be some sort of independent peer review backed by evidence of propriety in sport(s) and, on the basis of recent embarassing cases, a written exam to demonstrate knowledge and hopefully compliance with WADA provisions.

A doctor in cycling could not hold any other posts that might produce conflict of interests. Again, this relates to the example of Guardascione giving seminars at CONI. A doctor could go on to occupy a relevant senior or advisory role in cycling management but not at the same time as holding a consultancy or in-house role with a trade or national team.

Also it seems like such an easy fix, say riders only can get prescriptions from UCI Doctors, let UCI hire the doctors, and then rotate them between the teams. That way if any rider is aided in doping by a UCI doctor, when the doctors then rotate the riders passport values might be flagged.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 11, 2013, 17:26
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on December 11, 2013, 18:11
A step in the right direction.
And coming from a, frankly, unexpected direction.

They seem to want to be branding themselves as 'Green Team' as well, with all that that entails. Always good to see teams get an image that extends beyond their sponsors, like Vaughters's Argyle or Scinto's Yellow Fluo.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2013, 08:51
Via conde on twitter

Heras wanting 1 million euros in damages from 2005 annulment if epo positive

http://www.ondacero.es/audios-online/al-primer-toque/noticias/exclusivaroberto-heras_2013121300002.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2013, 12:01
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/12/13/actualidad/1386934000_620861.html

tour of Portugal winner Marque positive

not sure to what,

rumors samu will take the spot
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 13, 2013, 12:11
quelle surprise :fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: al_pacino on December 13, 2013, 12:33


rumors samu will take the spot

Maybe Anton already replaced him. The two sets of news are quite close together.

Not exactly a glowing endorsement of Portuguese  cycling though.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on December 13, 2013, 12:48
Quote
rumors samu will take the spot
maybe Samu replacing JTL on Team Sky?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on December 13, 2013, 12:56
Tour of Portugal continues to be what it is, very sad.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on December 13, 2013, 13:05
Tour of Portugal continues to be what it is, very sad.
Looking back, I feel sorry for Xavi Tondó for having to duke it out in that environment for as long as he had.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Tuart on December 13, 2013, 13:45
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/12/13/actualidad/1386934000_620861.html

tour of Portugal winner Marque positive

not sure to what,

rumors samu will take the spot

betamethasone (the most famous trademark is Celestone), a glucocorticoid.

Steroids and yes, rather convenient considering who's going to take his place.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Flo on December 13, 2013, 14:27
maybe Samu replacing JTL on Team Sky?

God that would be horrendous :o
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: pastronef on December 13, 2013, 18:42
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/12/13/actualidad/1386934000_620861.html

tour of Portugal winner Marque positive

not sure to what

cortisone

http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/alejandro-marque-cortisone-confusion-tour-of-portugal-2013/

.... But, so what, it was only cortisone! Really? While the fight against EPO, blood doping and Human Growth Hormone might hog headlines, but it appears glucocorticoids have been making a big comeback. Here’s a weird thing. In cycling, corticosteroids are banned on race days, but not at any other time. So, you have a series of performance enhancing products (the glucocorticoid family, widely called ‘cortico’), which you can take, in massive doses, during training, without fear. As long as you stop your ‘course’ ahead of your race day, you’re clean as a whistle, good to go.

Do you see how that works? You can take corticosteroids (Synacthen, Kenacort, Decadron and the rest) and charge up like a mule while you train between races. And if an anti-doping team rock up and demand an out of competition sample, well, no worries, you pee freely. Does that make sense to anyone outside of Wada?...

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on December 13, 2013, 19:02
So, the important thing would be exactly when he got the cortisone injection.
If it was 8 days or more before the start of the Volta, and the traces found were left over from that, he could get off.
Not that that would be fair, or that I necessarily believe he didn't get cortison closer to or during the race, but rules are rules.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 13, 2013, 19:15
Anyone who doesn't "get" the MPCC should now understand one of the key elements of that group's agreement: cortisol levels are tested in addition to UCI testing. This is filling a gap in the doping controls.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 14, 2013, 15:22

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2013, 10:49
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2013, 16:32
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2013, 16:52
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2013, 16:54
UCI

18.12.2013

The decision to provisionally suspend this rider was made in response to a report from the WADA-accredited laboratory in Beijing indicating an adverse analytical finding of clenbuterol in a urine sample collected from him in a test during the Tour of Taihu Lake on 5 November 2013.

The provisional suspension of Mr. Jonathan Breyne remains in force until a hearing panel convened by his national federation determines whether he has committed an anti-doping rule violation under Article 21 of the UCI Anti-Doping Rules.

Mr. Breyne has the right to request and attend the analysis of his B sample.

Under the World Anti-Doping Code and the UCI Anti-Doping Rules, the UCI is unable to provide any additional information at this time.

UCI Communications Services
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: pastronef on December 20, 2013, 10:37
comments I found on CN forum about Jens Voigt



Good. Plenty of people enjoy Froome killing everyone on the climbs and telling tales of parasites in the jungle.
Welcome to the club.






Yeah, not a fan of that. It's boring. It's ridiculous.
Jens is never boring. Jens struggles, Jens attacks, Jens fails and Jens sometimes wins. Then he talks that straight-up I-love-cycling-my-face-off talk in that Shprockets accent and I lap it up. Jens doesn't make up tropical diseases or tell me his dope was for his dog. Or Frank's. Jens says leave us alone and what do you expect–we have kids to feed.

The difference between myself and your imaginary club is that I don't think Jens is clean, I don't tell people Jens is clean, and I don't bludgeon logic and probability into a corner so I can live with the idea that Jens is clean.

I love cycling. Jens loves cycling. We all love cycling. I can't bring myself to get worked up about Jens. I guess I'm part of the problem.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 20, 2013, 13:05
Estonian Dr starts a Baltic bus

http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/34010/

via fmk
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 20, 2013, 17:03

UCI: Provisional suspension for Jonathan Breyne (BEL) | via @cobblesandhills

— vetooo (@ammattipyoraily) December 18, 2013


makes me feel sick espeically if this is as we expect food contamination
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on December 20, 2013, 18:28


makes me feel sick espeically if this is as we expect food contamination

Yeah, poor kid he´s only 22.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 24, 2013, 20:31
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/16058/Four-year-ban-for-Serebryakov-after-double-EPO-positive-earlier-this-year.aspx
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 27, 2013, 22:17
Odd article with some good points oz based

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/52420/Australians-excel-despite-a-cloudy-year-for-cycling
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on December 29, 2013, 20:30
Saw this on the other side, very interesting: global anti-doping tests completed in 2012. Haven't managed to track down the source though.
Edit: Aaah, tracked down source from @sportingintel using http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/Resources/Testing-Figures/WADA-2012-Anti-Doping-Testing-Figures-Report-EN.pdf

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQf8aNfCMAAn_B7.jpg:large)

All sports need to get down to business, but football and tennis, particularly tennis, are very disappointing.
However nothing concrete can be extrapolated from here without actual numbers of participants.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on December 29, 2013, 20:38
Saw this on the other side, very interesting: global anti-doping tests completed in 2012. Haven't managed to track down the source though.

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQf8aNfCMAAn_B7.jpg:large)

All sports need to get down to business, but football and tennis, particularly tennis, are very disappointing.
However nothing concrete can be extrapolated from here without actual numbers of participants.

This graph really points out why I believe cycling, however dirty it may be, is likely one of the cleanest sport. I heard from a chess player I know that almost all the chess pros dope with amphetamines and other attention sharpening products, basically because there is no controls. There have also been found a high number of ADHD medication dealers in american colleges, where people boost their test scores that way. Personally I never understood why there is no test for PED's at exams. But to get back on topic I think the graph is great because it highlights how easy it is to dope in other sports.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on December 30, 2013, 13:40
The graph is from the wada reports, and is very misleading. There's a thread about it somewhere.I think it includes bp samples. Would need to check, buy the graph is balls.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on December 30, 2013, 13:44
Just checked, that graph is purely bio passport samples taken!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on December 30, 2013, 18:19
Made my own graph using all samples (though not biopassport samples), not only biopassport samples. I am not sure how accurate it is, but here it is:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcwLZO9CIAAuNnN.png)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on December 30, 2013, 19:21
Made my own graph using all samples (though not biopassport samples), not only biopassport samples. I am not sure how accurate it is, but here it is:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcwLZO9CIAAuNnN.png)

A perfect example why you should not belive that a quantity is a quality in itself. By looking at the chart one is lead to believe that football, athletics and cycling are doing a bang up job in their work against doping.

Conversely, one should compare quantity of samples against the magnitude of athletes. Moreover, a much more interesting information is how many substances were tested for per sample. The latter is often overlooked/neglected by WADA and ADAs.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 03, 2014, 14:41
UCI to start testing hair as well as blood and urine.
http://feltet.dk/nyheder/dopingtest_af_haar_paa_vej/ (danish)

This will allow doping products to be detected for a longer time than before, until the hair is cut of in essence.

so no worries for Chris Horner what so ever.
 (http://www.radioshackleopardtrek.com/sites/default/files/styles/rider-picture/public/rider-picture/horner_chris_02_lr.jpg)

Seems like an easy test to avoid, when one can simply just shave to avoid being tested.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 03, 2014, 14:59
UCI to start testing hair as well as blood and urine.
http://feltet.dk/nyheder/dopingtest_af_haar_paa_vej/ (danish)

This will allow doping products to be detected for a longer time than before, until the hair is cut of in essence.

so no worries for Chris Horner what so ever.
 (http://www.radioshackleopardtrek.com/sites/default/files/styles/rider-picture/public/rider-picture/horner_chris_02_lr.jpg)

Seems like an easy test to avoid, when one can simply just shave to avoid being tested.

Begs the question ... does it have to be hair from the head?  :-x
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 03, 2014, 15:06
Begs the question ... does it have to be hair from the head?  :-x

No, but the times would be different for all of them, I mean if you doped and didn't cut your hair you could be caught maybe one and a half year later, however if you waxed everything every week, surely you cold not be caught after much more than a week. Seems an easy test to avoid imo.

Hopefully we won't see a completely shaved peloton in 2014 though, like when everybody in the nineties all of a sudden started carrying round thermos, because tea was the new thing you know.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 03, 2014, 15:14
No, but the times would be different for all of them, I mean if you doped and didn't cut your hair you could be caught maybe one and a half year later, however if you waxed everything every week, surely you cold not be caught after much more than a week. Seems an easy test to avoid imo.

Hopefully we won't see a completely shaved peloton in 2014 though, like when everybody in the nineties all of a sudden started carrying round thermos, because tea was the new thing you know.

Can't forget the systematic bleaching too. That went through the peloton like wildfire when hair testing was mooted back then.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/173e6o.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on January 03, 2014, 16:12
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/breyne-says-internet-forum-comments-drove-him-to-suicide
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 03, 2014, 16:15
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/breyne-says-internet-forum-comments-drove-him-to-suicide

The actual quote from Breyne is milder than the headline suggests, because I was ready to get uppity about it - the very idea of suggesting that fans are somehow critical in an aberration of behaviour such as attempted suicide does not sit well with me. It just seems remarkable to me that he should be sitting at a computer reading cycling forums when news of his positive comes out.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 03, 2014, 16:41
it should also be "attempted suicide".
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Anthony Moan on January 04, 2014, 08:00
63 yrs old and ex master UCI champion full of EPO  http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/12/31/3498676/legendary-local-bicycle-racer.html, I am even more sure that Tony is only clean guy here.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 07, 2014, 08:20
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=68379

Marco Arriagada  doping confession in Spanish
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 09, 2014, 09:50
http://crankpunk.com/2014/01/09/doping-does-nothing-ever-change/

great small read on reforms on how doping positives should be handled by the UCI, support of athletes.

Crazy the article from 1973.

I still this the cyclists association should be doing the support, but they can not organise a pee up in a brewery.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 09, 2014, 12:29
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kloden-i-understand-why-the-doubts-remain

klodi blah blah blah   :shh
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 09, 2014, 12:41
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kloden-i-understand-why-the-doubts-remain

klodi blah blah blah   :shh

Nice quote:

Quote from: Kloeden
I can only repeat that I have nothing to do with this case ... they could have suspended me. But they didn't because there was no proof and nothing was happening there.

But best of all ...

Quote from: Kloeden
The athlete has no chance to prove his innocence anymore

... coming from a man who says ...

Quote from: Kloeden
I did pay ... to make sure that this case wouldn't obstruct my career any longer.

Footnote: there is a significant misinterpretation in the CN article. Kloeden did not "pay the clinic" to end the investigation, he made a charitable donation to a facility for handicapped children the act of which was overseen by the authorities.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 11, 2014, 15:32

I made the point only if you get busted , if not doping can pay big time
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 11, 2014, 22:12
https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/statuses/422027002959245313

I made the point only if you get busted , if not doping can pay big time

Yes and even though Lance may lose that would he ever have increased his pay to those amounts without dope? If you get 100k per year, you then begin to dope get a 3 year 2m/year contract get caught in between year 1 and 2 then in reality you still earned money. if clean that is three time 100k per year=300k if dirty you get 2m but earn nothing in the next few years in your 2 year ban. And a clean entry level rider that never develops do to other people doping will in year 4 not earn more than the doper coming back anyway.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: The Hitch on January 12, 2014, 04:30
Hood is a hack who either knows nothing about doping or deliberately lies. He was made an expert witness in some newspaper article before the tour where he said people can trust cycling now because young riders don't dope.

The stupidity of the man is perhaps best encapsulated by this headline

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bc7k_C3CQAE3Drd.png:large)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 12, 2014, 14:47
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bc7k_C3CQAE3Drd.png:large)

A lot of evidence? isn't it more a lack of evidence, evidence that always become more apparent years later anyways? Not saying anything about Nibali, I really have no reason to suggest him doping, but I also have no reason to definitely say the opposite. Which you really never can anyway which is sort of the problem.

On another note how come last edit of my post two up was made by L'arri? what was edited?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on January 12, 2014, 14:55
On another note how come last edit of my post two up was made by L'arri? what was edited?
The tweet embedding doesn't always work as intended in a quote - probably that.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on January 12, 2014, 17:56
The tweet embedding doesn't always work as intended in a quote - probably that.

no, it's because jsg is still using the html embedding and regular users cannot use html. So when you quote jsg the forum recognizes that as a new post and therefor the html part stays cryptic

easy solution would be to jsg using the usual twitter-embedding instead of html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 12, 2014, 18:04
no, it's because jsg is still using the html embedding and regular users cannot use html. So when you quote jsg the forum recognizes that as a new post and therefor the html part stays cryptic

easy solution would be to jsg using the usual twitter-embedding instead of html

Search is right. I tested it. Folks need to stick to using the status links from Twitter.  :cool
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 12, 2014, 18:36
Someone send me a pm on how you find the http pc and tablet I can once every 1 every 150 times, and no idea how I do it

I will change my ways,

the things I do  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 14, 2014, 08:53
https://twitter.com/OlympicStatman/status/423012975201370113
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 14, 2014, 09:23
https://twitter.com/OlympicStatman/status/423012975201370113

This is a very late official ruling on Novikov's out of competition positive for SARMS-Ostarine back in May. Seems like forever ago already. :)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 14, 2014, 09:25
This is a very late official ruling on Novikov's out of competition positive for SARMS-Ostarine back in May. Seems like forever ago already. :)

the Russians have been busy, one day in Dec 18 positives  not cycling were announced :lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on January 14, 2014, 14:59
How doping products can be purchased in Colombia (but it might not be much harder elsewhere) - and what happens to you if you're too nosy for some people's liking:
http://www.cyclinginquisition.com/2014/01/omerta-and-violence-cost-of-merely.html?m=1 (http://www.cyclinginquisition.com/2014/01/omerta-and-violence-cost-of-merely.html?m=1)

(via Matt Rendell)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on January 15, 2014, 10:27
Norwegian anti-doping hunter Mads Drange publish a tell all book. Where he claims that anti-doping work is rotten within. Main topic seems to be about athletics and IOC setting an agenda that it is ok to dope - just don't get caught.

Many key actors in the anti-doping world does not have the will to fight doping.

The work of ADA's in different countries is characterised as the work of "useful idiots". Which purpose is not to catch cheaters more than to uphold the façade that sports/athletics is clean. The system is created by IOC, and they decide which athlete is caught as a doper, and not the rules and regulations.

Mads Drange claims the reason for writing his book was the knowledge of a paper witheld by WADA. Apparently, the information in the report could measure the prevalence of doping in athletics. Moreover, the number of tested positives deviated from the number of reported findings by WADA.  WADA solved the problem by instructing the authors to keep quiet and not publish the report.

The last quote in the article is interesting. "Even though Norway has problems with doping, probably far greater that many can imagine, the problem is relative in comparison to other countries [other than Scandinavia]"

Translations to English are done by me with some help by google. Any errors are mine.


http://www.tv2.no/a/5221376#.UtZVpGTuJk4
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on January 15, 2014, 12:26
An interesting article on PRP (platelet-rich plasma) and other dodgy methods; in German:
Spiegel: Die Turbo-Heiler (http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-124097548.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 15, 2014, 12:48
An interesting article on PRP (platelet-rich plasma) and other dodgy methods; in German:
Spiegel: Die Turbo-Heiler (http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-124097548.html)

The business with Spurs was in the British press iirc near the end of last year and predictably it generated no more than a muted response from either the press or the public.

What I remember particularly is that nobody used the word doping at any point, nor even the weak-tea alternative of "unfair competitive advantage".

Sometimes I wonder why we bother making any fuss at all in cycling when these idiots just stare blankly and say "so what?" But then the cops seem to like the easy bust of a  nice, juicy Grand Tour with no possibility of revenge from a rioting crowd.

Can you imagine the orange wig wearing bellies of Dutch Corner packing razor blades in the soles of their shoes and looking for trouble with the police? Didn't think so...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on January 15, 2014, 20:54
More Mads Drange in a Norwegian angle. He was responsible for setting up a national Blood Profiling Programme in 2007. Were a number of undisclosed athletes in a number of undisclosed disciplines were profiled.

He found many tampered blood profiles that displayed large variations among Norwegian athletes, some of them still active today. Drange found evidence  from EPO and blood doping in the blood profiles, and sought for a second opinion from a "leading international expert"  which verified his evidence of doping.

It is not clear why or if the samples were tested for EPO. The article states that the sample were taken to a lab in a hospital that was not WADA-credited.

Blood values saw a great change after 2009 [and the ABP was introduced ]. Mads Drange saw a dramatic change. He concludes that some of the athletes stopped doping, whilst others continued to dope within limits.

He's appalled about the athletes that dope/ continue to dope in a country that is world leading in anti-doping.

My comment on this is that he must imply cross-country skiiers and athletics. However, XC-skiing is the only sport big enough in Norway to raise bitterness and resentment in a employee to write a tell all book. It is possible that some professional riders, and maybe some skaters are in there too.


http://www.vg.no/sport/artikkel.php?artid=10149928
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 18, 2014, 23:07
https://twitter.com/Ciclismo2005/status/424673313411973120

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Ud6obZ85w

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on January 19, 2014, 00:43
hmm

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/18/sports/sportsspecial/18tour.html?_r=0

Quote
Hincapie, who now lives in Greenville, S.C., became the first support rider for Armstrong to win a daily stage in a Tour de France. He has not been known as a rider who could so easily handle such a grueling day of climbing. Usually, he paces Armstrong to the last climb of the stage and then drops back, his mission accomplished.

But on Sunday, another sweltering day on which the field rode with jerseys open and their heart-rate monitors exposed, Hincapie was part of a 14-man breakaway that left the pack behind early and built a huge lead.

Nobody in the attack group ranked higher than 24th over all - everyone was at least 24:40 behind Armstrong - so they were left free to blaze ahead over the 205.5 kilometers (128 miles) from Lézat-sur-Lèze to Pla d'Adet, a ski resort above the town of St.-Lary-Soulan.

Hincapie said he did not plan to make a push for the stage victory. "I just thought, 'I'll get ahead and I'll definitely be there for Lance in the last two climbs.' "

But when the breakaway group's lead topped 18 minutes, Hincapie was told by team officials to ride for himself and try to win. "It's your day, go for it," his team director, Johan Bruyneel, told him over the radio that most riders wear in their ears.

Hincapie is mostly known as a rider who thrives in one-day classics, having finished second in Paris-Roubaix this year. "Every year I seem to get better on the climbs," he said.

Huge crowds watched the riders ascend four mountains ranked first category on a scale of climbing length, steepness and general difficulty. Another climb was ranked second category, and the final climb was ranked beyond category.

Until sprinting away about 300 meters (328 yards) before the finish, Hincapie completed the final ascent alongside Oscar Pereiro, a Spaniard with the Phonak team. "There were so many people that we couldn't get away," Hincapie said about the crowds that narrowed the road until the final kilometer, where barriers restrained them.

After easily outsprinting Pereiro, Hincapie coasted across the finish line with his hands on his head, seemingly in disbelief, before he broke into a smile.

He was timed in 6 hours 6 minutes 38 seconds, an average speed of 21 miles an hour. Pereiro was second, 6 seconds behind, and Pietro Caucchioli, an Italian with the Crédit Agricole team, was third, 38 seconds behind.

Basso and Armstrong arrived together, 5:04 behind Hincapie, allowing Pereiro to move up to 17th place, 19:30 behind Armstrong, and Hincapie to move up to 18th, 19:35 behind.

More significant, Rasmussen lost 1:28 and Jan Ullrich, a German with the T-Mobile team, lost 1:24. Ullrich, who won the Tour in 1997 and has finished second five times, is fourth over all and may use the final time trial to try to overcome Rasmussen for a spot on the three-step victory podium at the culmination of the race in Paris next Sunday.

This Sunday belonged to the Discovery Channel team, with Hincapie winning the most difficult stage of the Tour and Armstrong surging ahead of most of his chief rivals.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 19, 2014, 16:26
https://twitter.com/Ciclismo2005/status/424673313411973120
The story according to Matt Rendall is very different:
https://twitter.com/mrendell/status/424928139165171712

https://twitter.com/mrendell/status/424928337006325760
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 19, 2014, 16:35
No, the story is right, just complicated.


George raised an amount of money with Oscar, which George meant as an offer to Oscar to let George win the stage.
Oscar says ok, but he thinks that what George wants to let Oscar win the stage.
George goes ahead and wins the stage assuming that he has paid Oscar for it.

Oscar needless to say confused, question is wether George did actually cough up.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on January 19, 2014, 16:50
sure, but that's not what the tweet you quoted says

or, not directly at least, it is possible Pereiro still got the money of course, but he did not let him win
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 20, 2014, 08:15
https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/425176570358415360
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on January 20, 2014, 09:32

Here's the full link to the Guardian piece that JSG posted through friebo's twitter.

It's a summary of Mads Drange's critique of the lack of anti-doping. His two main points are 1. to little has been done to fight doping and when the fight started ie. the blood passport it was too late.

 2. It's a money problem ADA's are being outgunned by dopers due to lack of funding.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jan/19/norway-drug-tests
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 20, 2014, 17:19
http://www.cces.ca/en/news-253-cycling-athlete-suspended-for-tampering-with

via fmk

Sebastian Salas, 2012 cali kom winner ,

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 20, 2014, 22:26
Not really news but it qualifies as one of those unusual tidbits.

(http://vivelo-bikes.com/news-holder/photos/cycling_hemus_news_101_1.jpg)

I happened to be examining the case of a Bulgarian rider called Vladimir Koev, who has ridden for such paragons of virtue as Konya Torku and whose two positives in 2006 and 2010 somehow escaped me.

There is very little information except from the UCI itself: Stanozolol in 2006 and in 2010 the Sylvain Georges favourite Heptaminol. According to the UCI, his ban started on June 11 2010.

So far so good.

What was odd though, I thought, when researching Koev's team history, was that despite serving an 8-year suspension for his second offence and thus generally disappearing from competition, he somehow managed in 2012 to race to a podium spot as an élite-sans-contrat rider...

... and then get himself signed by a Continental team where he was able to race for a bit less than a month before once again disappearing into the mists of time.

I thought there had to be an administrative error somewhere here. How could this Koev race again two years after getting slapped with an 8-year ban?

Rub your eyes, because there he is on the results sheet of the 2012 Tour of Serbia, won by Stefan Schumacher.

Well, the only logical explanation is that either a) Koev was not sanctioned for two whole years because of an appeal or lost paperwork, or b) Koev broke the terms of his suspension just for a month or so because he is a beast, which would be the cooler story of the two.

Today, Koev is an approved sports agent. With all that experience of coming out of enforced retirement, perhaps Chris Horner should give him a call ...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on January 20, 2014, 22:34
I just had a short look in bulgarian media (maybe you can ask killswitch for more detailed information), the only news about a ban I can find are from september 2012. So I guess it was backdated to june 2010

http://www.probike-bg.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4022
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 21, 2014, 09:52
https://twitter.com/OlympicStatman/status/425561749266239488

https://twitter.com/OlympicStatman/status/425562055110717440
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 21, 2014, 20:56
my posts vanished :o
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 21, 2014, 21:03
my posts vanished :o

in the Diluca thread they appear  ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 21, 2014, 22:41
i was so confuzled
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 23, 2014, 10:05
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/operacion-puerto-investigator-takes-control-of-spains-anti-doping-agency
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 23, 2014, 10:10
(https://twitter.com/mrendell/status/426294710399815680
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on January 23, 2014, 15:12
Foreign criticism of Danish team (http://cykelmagasinet.dk/udenlandsk-kritik-af-dansk-storhold) (in Danish)
The correct translation of the title should be "large Danish team", but I can't make myself write that when it concerns #christina - I just can't.

Quote from: Rudi Kemna; taken from article, translated by myself
The team's integrity is more important than success in races. We believe that rider performances and sponsor satisfaction are a result of our transparent way to manage the team. An example of the contrary is Christina Watches, who hire riders back from a doping suspension in an attempt to win. The respect for CW and their Turkish brethren, Torku Spor, is very low. Maybe they win in the short term, but long-term it's unsustainable.
Chapeau to Kemna for speaking out and saying what most people think.
It's not so much what he says, but mostly that he says it out loud - that wouldn't have happened some years ago.

For good measure, it must be mentioned that Kemna doped in his own career. But other than many others, he admitted that voluntarily and suggested his six-month suspension himself.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 23, 2014, 22:40
Foreign criticism of Danish team (http://cykelmagasinet.dk/udenlandsk-kritik-af-dansk-storhold) (in Danish)
The correct translation of the title should be "large Danish team", but I can't make myself write that when it concerns #christina - I just can't.
Chapeau to Kemna for speaking out and saying what most people think.
It's not so much what he says, but mostly that he says it out loud - that wouldn't have happened some years ago.

For good measure, it must be mentioned that Kemna doped in his own career. But other than many others, he admitted that voluntarily and suggested his six-month suspension himself.

"Storhold" seems like it must have been a mistake, how is CW a big team, they are continental for crying out loud.

One thing that always confuse me about Argos and now Giant is how they seem way too willing to start a mud flinging battle. Especially when it is so easy for CW to fire back. "So how that ozone therapy go Marcel?" Also there are former dopers I'd believe more in not doping again than non convicted dopers. Also he just threw mud on Horner which is not nice. What was up with the line comparing Sayer to Ricco, nothing alike really. Of cause you have to stick by the rules. But it is a 2 year ban for a reason. 2nd chances. So why not hire a former doper? "Winning isn't everything, it is the only thing" (V. Lombardy)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on January 23, 2014, 23:23
"Storhold" seems like it must have been a mistake, how is CW a big team, they are continental for crying out loud.
Pandering for the Danish audience plays a big part.
With Tinkoff-Saxo now Russian-registered, they are now (in their own little minds) the "biggest Danish cycling team" and therefore a "storhold". They're led by a moral winner of the Tour (who is of course a "commercial director" officially because of his suspension). They've signed Tour and Giro stage winners. They have scored far more CQ points than the other Danish Conti teams, as Hembo is wont to point out (conveniently "forgetting" that CQ is as official as VeloNews' "10 best climbers" list).

I have to hand it to Hembo, he's good at playing the media. Thankfully, most of the media (except "media" like BT) have now woken up and realised how they're being played, and take any announcement from his side with a whole barrel of salt. Maybe Cykelmagasinet haven't received the memo on that either and still swallow Hembo's stuff raw.

What was up with the line comparing Sayer to Ricco, nothing alike really.
As I read it, that's not out of Kemna's mouth. It's just very poor and somewhat populist writing by the guy who did the piece.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 25, 2014, 18:45
Justin Beiber on Clenbuterol. Apparently.

Via the Daily Fail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2545738/Justin-Biebers-recent-antics-caused-growing-dependence-steroids-commonly-used-horses.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 25, 2014, 18:56
Justin Beiber on Clenbuterol. Apparently.

Via the Daily Fail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2545738/Justin-Biebers-recent-antics-caused-growing-dependence-steroids-commonly-used-horses.html)

That article is legend in so many ways just alone the pictures.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/25/article-2545738-1AECD6B600000578-837_634x711.jpg)
with the image text "Arrest: Justin was arrested while allegedly drag racing in Miami early Thursday morning"

With a picture like that I have to assume it was Ru Paul's Drag Race he was participating in.

Also strikes me as amazing how much this photo.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/25/article-2545738-1AF17F2700000578-150_634x910.jpg)
makes him look like, this guy.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-I8y4OEc3X34/T-aSFM0cd6I/AAAAAAAACQo/9Oe9yE5q6vY/s1600/vanilla_ice%2B80s%2Busa%2Bcoat.jpg)
Vanilla Ice
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 25, 2014, 18:57
And hes using Clen to bulk up :o
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 30, 2014, 08:48
https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/428811258113306625
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 31, 2014, 16:01
https://twitter.com/8aldwin/status/429282865667244032
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 31, 2014, 16:05
What? He retired years ago...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Mellow Velo on January 31, 2014, 16:08
What? He retired years ago...

Works for Italian tv as Rai's "expert" pundit/commentator.
So, I guess he'll fall into the unemployed category, now.
More here for the google translator lottery:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/31-01-2014/doping-savoldelli-procura-coni-convocato-inchiesta-armstrong-202252510121.shtml
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 31, 2014, 16:36
Reda's was refusing to give urine sample at GP Di Camaiore
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on January 31, 2014, 16:38
Something about DiLuca's allegations and a prosecutor. No idea what though.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jono L. on February 02, 2014, 03:56
Lleton Hewitt upset at a novelt drug test...

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/lleyton-hewitt-furious-at-davis-cup-drug-testing-20140202-31uol.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 02, 2014, 04:05
Ridiculous.
How dare they test for doping at a time that might not be most convenient for the athletes!

Tennis players, grow up. :S
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Icebreaker on February 02, 2014, 06:56

That article is legend in so many ways just alone the pictures.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/25/article-2545738-1AECD6B600000578-837_634x711.jpg)
with the image text "Arrest: Justin was arrested while allegedly drag racing in Miami early Thursday morning"

With a picture like that I have to assume it was Ru Paul's Drag Race he was participating in.

Also strikes me as amazing how much this photo.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/25/article-2545738-1AF17F2700000578-150_634x910.jpg)
makes him look like, this guy.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-I8y4OEc3X34/T-aSFM0cd6I/AAAAAAAACQo/9Oe9yE5q6vY/s1600/vanilla_ice%2B80s%2Busa%2Bcoat.jpg)
Vanilla Ice

Hell no,

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/02/7yqu7y9y.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on February 02, 2014, 12:27
Ridiculous.
How dare they test for doping at a time that might not be most convenient for the athletes!

Tennis players, grow up. :S

"Hewitt also fired a sarcastic answer at a television reporter asking about whether there were positives for the future in Australia's loss to France."

I can think of one positive that might come from this.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 03, 2014, 10:03
https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/430275895476359168
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 03, 2014, 10:11
GT of the article

not much in itarticle (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNieuwe%2Bdoping,%2BWADA%2Bmachteloos%26client%3Dtablet-android-samsung%26hl%3Den-AU%26source%3Dandroid-unknown&rurl=translate.google.se&sl=nl&u=http://nos.nl/os2014/artikel/605474-nieuwe-doping-wada-machteloos.html%3Fnpo_cc_skip_wall%3D1%26npo_cc%3Dna%26npo_rnd%3D560195007&usg=ALkJrhgmI0elRVa-BlkZM8I88vcKGrMlxw)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 03, 2014, 11:11
WDR. Of course, who else - anti-doping is what they do.
It was a WDR reporter who uncovered the Contador case, and they regularly speak to Werner Franke as well.

Original article (German):
Neue Doping-Substanz von russischem Wissenschaftler angeboten (http://www.sportschau.de/doping/neue-doping-substanz-von-russischem-wissenschaftler-angeboten100.html)

Brief report in ARD Sportschau yesterday (German):
Dopingsubstanz von russischen Wissenschaftlern angeboten (http://www.ardmediathek.de/das-erste/sportschau/dopingsubstanz-von-russischen-wissenschaftlern-angeboten?documentId=19445978)

More in-depth report will be on WDR tonight, 22:45-23:15.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 03, 2014, 18:09
https://twitter.com/DorianSalome/status/430397565117284352
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on February 03, 2014, 18:33
Two articles on MGF. One scientific and another from a user perspective.


http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/39/11/787.full

http://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/peg-mgf/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 04, 2014, 11:22
http://chloehosking.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/antidoping-an-insight/

good blog by chloe Hosking about drug testing in sport ...

http://chloehosking.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/antidoping-an-insight/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 04, 2014, 14:27
https://twitter.com/friebos/statuses/430708588362088449

The merry-go-round never stops...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 04, 2014, 14:40
https://twitter.com/friebos/statuses/430708588362088449

The merry-go-round never stops...

I hear Kimmage is free. ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 04, 2014, 17:13
https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/430747771641933824
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 05, 2014, 08:48
https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/430982975518691328

Wiggo human headline

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 05, 2014, 08:55
https://twitter.com/lukascph/status/430987076578721792

 :lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 05, 2014, 08:56
What?
Never leave stuff like that out there if you can clarify, right? ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 06, 2014, 17:27
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/431478243032453121
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 10, 2014, 11:39
Omar Puentes (Elegant House), Jorge Martinez (Supergiros), Diego Quintero (GW Shimano) and jahir Pérez (Ebsa) were positive in the Colombian RCN Classic played last October, according unveiled Weather .

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=69193 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=69193)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 11, 2014, 13:30
A USA TODAY investigation finds that a wide array of dietary supplement companies caught with drug-spiked products are run by people with criminal backgrounds and regulatory run-ins

(http://i.usatoday.net/_common/_notches/-cover_riskypills_01.jpg)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/19/dietary-supplements-executives-criminal-records-spiked/4114451/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/19/dietary-supplements-executives-criminal-records-spiked/4114451/)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on February 15, 2014, 11:56
Arne Ljungkvist head of IOC's medical commission are making bold statements.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/winter-olympics/26206557
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: froome19 on February 15, 2014, 22:53
And for good reason. This is now a major deterrent for dopers and logically so, dopers may know that their samples will not be found suspect in the current day and age, but there is all the chance that that could have changed in ten years time. I don't the advantages stock up anymore compared to the risk but I just hope the athletes see that as well.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 18, 2014, 07:15
ASADA is falling apart-

The vic office which has 3 full time staff/investigators has 1 and now head of ASADA not continuing after 9th of may

https://secure.ausport.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/566341/Media_Release_Federal_Sport_Minister_Peter_Dutton_ASADA_CEO_18_Feb.PDF (https://secure.ausport.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/566341/Media_Release_Federal_Sport_Minister_Peter_Dutton_ASADA_CEO_18_Feb.PDF)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 18, 2014, 07:19
That might explain some of he delay in the Essendon saga.   It's been a year and nothing yet .....
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 18, 2014, 10:37
https://twitter.com/SSbike/status/435723999709257728
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 18, 2014, 10:38
That might explain some of he delay in the ease son saga.   It's been a year and nothing yet .....

Hird Saga ?

It is one of the problems yep
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 18, 2014, 11:41
yes - Essendon saga (stupid ipad autocorrect)


Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 19, 2014, 09:25
Interesting article in Wired about Allen Lim and his sports nutrition business

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/skratch-labs/

It does cover Landis and Armstrong and therefore is included here.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 20, 2014, 15:26
Communiqué Colombia Team:

The Team Colombia reports receiving a notice regarding the potential violation of anti-doping rules by Luis Alberto Quintero Largo due to the non-negative result of monitoring conducted out of competition, in Villongo (BG) on January 22 2014, ie, immediately after his arrival in Italy for the start of the cycling season.

Waiting to know further details and results of any further examination, the general manager, Claudio Corti, with immediate effect ordered the preventive suspension of the activity of the athlete, reserving further action when the circumstances are clarified.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: StarInTheSky on February 20, 2014, 18:25
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/20-02-2014/savoldelli-procura-antidoping-armstrong-coni-danielson-ferrari-chiarimenti-epo-usada-8099399595.shtml
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on February 20, 2014, 18:33
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/20-02-2014/savoldelli-procura-antidoping-armstrong-coni-danielson-ferrari-chiarimenti-epo-usada-8099399595.shtml

This whole system is starting to pee me off, we know what he did, he knows we know what he did. However he still keeps up the mirage. I don't mind being lied to, as much as I mind being lied to, calling the liar out, and then the liar just keeps on going with the same lie.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 23, 2014, 14:05
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/437587168026824704
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 23, 2014, 14:25
"Tested Friday" - that implies that the test was at the semi-final.

If they were serious about this, Sweden would be disqualified from the tournament.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on February 23, 2014, 16:24
"Tested Friday" - that implies that the test was at the semi-final.

If they were serious about this, Sweden would be disqualified from the tournament.

Bäckström tested positive during the game against Slovenia (Wednesday).  Normally results should be released 48 hrs later which is Friday.

He should have been suspended when Sweden played against Finland in the semi-final. Why IOC waited until two hours before the final is very strange and most certainly affected the outcome.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 24, 2014, 14:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/24377883

Veronica Campbell-Brown cleared by the Jamaican's over her diuretic doping.

IAAF must surely appeal to CAS?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on February 24, 2014, 23:12
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/6/55/95142/Sports/World/Le-Monde-forced-to-pay-Real-Madrid-,-euros-over-do.aspx

I better don't comment on that... :fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 25, 2014, 09:09
Jonathan Breyne's B-sample confirms the clenbuterol positive.

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/cyclisme/dopage-l-echantillon-b-de-jonathan-breyne-egalement-positif-530c30ad35708d729d818ca1 [FR]

Quote
... The verdict was received Monday by email from the UCI ... "Things are clear now and my lawyer Johnny Maeschalk can start to work on the case," said Breyne who has always maintained his innocence since the announcement of his positive test on December 18th 2013.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 25, 2014, 13:58
https://twitter.com/OlympicStatman/status/438310179562872832
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 27, 2014, 08:11
#androni

A hematocrit of 63 Yimmy Briceño prevents the jump to Androni

The winner of the Vuelta al Táchira Jimmy Briceño can not fulfill his dream of racing in Europe and that has produced a hematocrit of 63 (the limit is 50) examinations has made him the International Cycling Union (UCI) to adopt its Biological Passport.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on February 27, 2014, 08:45
More on this link viaveloropa on twitter use GT but his Hemi went from 21 up to 63


Laz this it the orginal article for Dopeology

Briceño Jimmy not run in Europe for high hematocrit level (http://diariodelosandes.com/content/view/245983/106231/)

was not signed yet by Androni, so not a MPCC issue for the team, he failed the testing to step up to Pro Conti.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on February 27, 2014, 08:54
intern testing at Androni, what the hell  :o
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on February 27, 2014, 09:09
"this test does not jeopardize his second title of Vuelta al Táchira because it is not related to banned substances"

"VAMPIROS!!" :D

south american media is hilarious
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on February 27, 2014, 09:21
Jaaaaaaaaysos that is actually a little scary.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on February 27, 2014, 09:25
more than a little scary   :o
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on February 27, 2014, 18:15
Haha I told my dad, who works in a hospital, and he was first worried that the guy hadnt drunk anything in the last few weeks and then said if someone had blood that thick in the hospital he'd check the infuse :P.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Flo on February 28, 2014, 13:21
More on this link viaveloropa on twitter use GT but his Hemi went from 21 up to 63


Laz this it the orginal article for Dopeology

Briceño Jimmy not run in Europe for high hematocrit level (http://diariodelosandes.com/content/view/245983/106231/)

was not signed yet by Androni, so not a MPCC issue for the team, he failed the testing to step up to Pro Conti.

I think his hematocrit level is 63 and hemoglobin 21
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 28, 2014, 16:13
Incredibly painful 25 min interview with O'Grady by Cycling Central

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/video/171964995640/Stuart-O-Grady-The-Interview

It is pretty obvious that the interviewer doesn't believe O'Grady (and neither do I)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 28, 2014, 16:28
More on this link viaveloropa on twitter use GT but his Hemi went from 21 up to 63


Laz this it the orginal article for Dopeology

Briceño Jimmy not run in Europe for high hematocrit level (http://diariodelosandes.com/content/view/245983/106231/)

was not signed yet by Androni, so not a MPCC issue for the team, he failed the testing to step up to Pro Conti.

Was wondering whether or not to include this. I don't cover cases outside of the Euro scene and he wasn't technically riding for Androni yet.

Good on Gianni 'Suspicious Santa' Savio for calling him out publicly though. Career over, in Europe at least.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on February 28, 2014, 16:51
Freudian slip?

Anyway, Xe != CO. The latter's one of the best reducing agents around. Not that I know anything about this....

Not freudian. I'm not a native english speaker though. Maybe I slipped anyway.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 28, 2014, 16:58
Was wondering whether or not to include this. I don't cover cases outside of the Euro scene and he wasn't technically riding for Androni yet.

Good on Gianni 'Suspicious Santa' Savio for calling him out publicly though. Career over, in Europe at least.

I thought the database was full of doping cases not suspicions?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 28, 2014, 17:27
I thought the database was full of doping cases not suspicions?

Unless I've misunderstood you, Keith, I thought it was confirmed that the young fellow had returned 63%. Or are you referring to Savio? He has been under investigation, so he's in there for sure, the old rogue! :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Ram on February 28, 2014, 17:30
Not freudian. I'm not a native english speaker though. Maybe I slipped anyway.
Twas just a joke. It fit in perfectly.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 28, 2014, 17:48
Unless I've misunderstood you, Keith, I thought it was confirmed that the young fellow had returned 63%. Or are you referring to Savio? He has been under investigation, so he's in there for sure, the old rogue! :D

Yep, it has been confirmed by that old rogue, Savio.

I didn't think the young rogue was under investigation.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on February 28, 2014, 18:21
Yep, it has been confirmed by that old rogue, Savio.

I didn't think the young rogue was under investigation.

Valid, Keith. Not of itself an incident. Good thinking!  :cool
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: killswitch on February 28, 2014, 19:11
Good piece on O'Grady by Blazin' Saddles (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/blazin-saddles/giving-o-grady-once-over-omloop-looms-153221502.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on March 01, 2014, 00:44
It is a good piece ... except that it doesnt mention that the 'suspicious sample' actually occurred on stage 14 - so the "only once"  (that BS explains beautifully was actually an extended program) is impossible anyway.

It really only needs 1 extra paragraph to go from being a good piece to being and excellent piece
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 03, 2014, 12:00
https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/440455717934215168
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 05, 2014, 10:48
‘The most famous game of all is the prisoner’s dilemma, and it’s a natural explanation for why athletes take drugs despite the risks’ (http://timharford.com/2014/02/testing-times-for-sochi-drug-cheats/)

some interesting ideas
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Gotland on March 05, 2014, 11:58
‘The most famous game of all is the prisoner’s dilemma, and it’s a natural explanation for why athletes take drugs despite the risks’ (http://timharford.com/2014/02/testing-times-for-sochi-drug-cheats/)

some interesting ideas

Oh, these economical explanations for everything just make me want to cry *sigh* I just don't buy that you can reduce a human figuratively speaking in to a single atom that spins around trying to maximize its utility. Which is the prerequiste economical theories. Otherwise economists can't build their *fancy* mathematical models.

This article even more funny, probably because those poor economists can't explain doping with their *fancy* models :we all gonna die . After concluding there's nothing wrong with the model the *fault* must be somene else to blame  – enter the fans. Yes of course they are the one to blame. The fans substitute for a totally discrete unquantifiable variable  i.e it is not possible to put that into a mathematical model. However they probably provide with some latent effect to the model, or exogenous effect if I'm going to speak economeeze.

The problem is that game theory does not account for structural elements in society. Which mean, what are the effects of belonging to a society or group?

Hein and Phat surely understood the scope of doping in cycling but they tried to cover it up instead of dealing with the problem. Even Lance Armstrong and was right to some extent in his argument of levelling the playing field – not as an excuse to take banned substances though.

Although the last two paragraphs has noting to do with game theory and its short comings. I do sort of agree with the last two paragraphs.  I think revealing during Sochi IOC has tested x per cent more atletes compared to previous Olympic Games in Vancouver. Togehter with the low number of athletes that has been tested positive (despite knowing lab time is a huge bottle neck, and most results will be published after the games has finished) is just to show the sponsors, not the fans mind you, that IOC are running  a smooth operation.

Disclaimer: I'm a Sociologist and I consider economists to be the arch enemy, well sort of anyway ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on March 08, 2014, 20:22
I found a Dutch newspaper on the train yesterday. No idea how it got there, but there was an interesting article on Red Bull Salzburg and their use of dodgy methods in their "Red Bull Clinic Thalgau", run by Bernd Pansold. Pansold used to dope *dd athletes in the 70s/80s and is banned from involvement in sports in *de Germany, but apparently free to do whatever he likes in *at Austria. The article also says that Austrian ski legend Hermann Maier used to work with the clinic in Thalgau (exclusively, other Austrian skier weren't allowed to go there), alluding that Maier was up to no good as well.

The article isn't available online, if wanted I could scan/photograph it and post it here.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on March 08, 2014, 21:02
Yea it was discussed after 020 (Ajax, urgh..) lost against them. Always happens when they feel they lost unfairly. They complained that Juve 1996 were blooddoped, which they probably were, but Ajax doesnt have a clean record either. For example this year Davy Klaassen's blood was centrifuged and reinjected as injury treatment, and this isnt even looked at by the press. This is pure blooddoping,  but I'll stop complaining about 020 cause Feyenoord often is said to be suffering from a calimero syndrome. :)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 08, 2014, 23:26
I found a Dutch newspaper on the train yesterday. No idea how it got there, but there was an interesting article on Red Bull Salzburg and their use of dodgy methods in their "Red Bull Clinic Thalgau", run by Bernd Pansold. Pansold used to dope *dd athletes in the 70s/80s and is banned from involvement in sports in *de Germany, but apparently free to do whatever he likes in *at Austria.

I remember reading these articles last year:

Skier Lindsey Vonn, Olympic star, saw notorious doping doctor in Germany at Red Bull clinic
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/red-flag-lindsey-vonn-red-bull-east-german-drug-doctor-article-1.1349830 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/red-flag-lindsey-vonn-red-bull-east-german-drug-doctor-article-1.1349830)


Daily News visits Red Bull's controversial training guru Bernd Pansold at clinic in Austria
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/muscling-roid-doc-news-visits-controversial-training-doctor-red-bull-clinic-article-1.1351280 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/muscling-roid-doc-news-visits-controversial-training-doctor-red-bull-clinic-article-1.1351280)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2014, 10:35
(https://twitter.com/velofacts/status/444057846020595713
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 19, 2014, 08:30
Via Velofacts

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26636371

new doping test 1000 times more sensitive,   
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 20, 2014, 09:19
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/03/news/usac-chief-denies-knowledge-postal-doping_320736

Basically:

1. Steve Johnson denies Zabriskie ever came to him and told him about doping
2. Macur denies the USAC position saying she did speak to Johnson
3. Zabriskie says "He would lie, wouldn't he"

I hope this is being investigated at the CIRC.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 25, 2014, 09:22
https://twitter.com/DorianSalome/status/448386766241013760
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on March 31, 2014, 17:52
https://twitter.com/veloropa/status/450676203054456833
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: StarInTheSky on April 01, 2014, 17:10
The Office of the Prosecutor has referred the former Anti-doping cyclist Paolo Savoldelli for violation of Articles. 2.2. and 3.2. the Sports Anti-Doping Rules applicable to the Second Chamber of the National Anti-Doping Tribunal. The request for inhibition, as the subject was not rationed, is 2 years and 8 months.

The measure was introduced in response to the request of the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) to open disciplinary proceedings against him.
http://www.coni.it/it/notizie/20221-antidoping-deferito-paolo-savoldelli,-chiesti-2-anni-e-8-mesi-di-inibizione.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 01, 2014, 20:39
So is Salvodelli going to bother defending himself or just accept the punishment?

and

Why haven't other riders mentioned in the USADA document been charged?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on April 01, 2014, 21:05
So is Salvodelli going to bother defending himself or just accept the punishment?

and

Why haven't other riders mentioned in the USADA document been charged?

But I thought it had been established that Savoldelli couldn't have doped because he doesn't speak English and Tom Danielson doesn't speak Italian. That seems like a water tight defence to me.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 01, 2014, 21:08
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/04/the-secret-pro-4/


The rider who tested positive for cocaine after a blood bag from his brother is Simeoni in 2002 I think
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 02, 2014, 07:26
https://twitter.com/velofacts/status/451243674924765184
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on April 02, 2014, 15:39
Interesting that he makes the point that MPCC teams dont use tramadol.

Well, their doctors made a commitment to not use it, doesnt mean they arent using it, and if they arent using tramadol in their finish bottles, doesnt mean they arent using something else.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 02, 2014, 15:43
Interesting that he makes the point that MPCC teams dont use tramadol.

Well, their doctors made a commitment to not use it, doesnt mean they arent using it, and if they arent using tramadol in their finish bottles, doesnt mean they arent using something else.

I also see a element of we are not using it for whatever reason so we will make public that x, y and z is happening because of it´s use and see if that stops people using it.

I think there was a lot of that in the Garmin Xenon Cyclingnew article - which is fine but I think it maybe the real reason for all this public outings
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on April 04, 2014, 12:26
I was a bit surprised by Mathieu's comments about tramadol. It is specific enough to sound like it comes from having seen or heard something.

Watching Van Keirsbulck in an interview yesterday, he sounded like he'd just woken up from surgery. Not saying he was on tranquilos but it did give me pause in light of Mathieu's comments. :P

There is a general principle, as far as I'm concerned, that non-doping drugs should only be allowed when used for their proper purpose. There needs to be a cause before you can enjoy an effect.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 04, 2014, 12:56
I suppose Team Sky have admitted using Tramadol and more or less said they will do so in the future "if medically justified"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-calls-for-tramadol-ban-in-peloton

I've heard rumours (Jeremy Whittle) that Michael Barry's book will detail use of tramadol. It remains to be seen whether it was medically justified...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 09, 2014, 08:03
https://twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/453790065870000128
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 09, 2014, 08:17
Neutral service car from Energiewacht Tour

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkwxNRjIIAAGAxU.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 09, 2014, 20:09
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=70773 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=70773)Stefano Agostini has decided to put an end to his career caught, according to the complaint, the UCI doping network, for a penalty of 15 months for their positive with Colstebol, "ointment" that declared for therapeutic use and had prescribed.

"I give up a system that has decided that at age 25 I quit being a professional cyclist," proclaims former Cannondale racer in a letter to President Brian Cookson dela UCI, WADA expert Francesca Rossi, the president of Gianni Bugno CPA and President of the Italian Federation Renato Di Rocco.

Agostini was provisionally suspended by the UCI for an "adverse analytical finding" in a urine sample taken at the Italian rider in an out of competition on August 21, and fired by his team. "I think the punishment has been decided for me is not correct as I have never used my biological passport doping is impeccable," said in his letter.

His nightmare began when the Cologne lab detected in control urine 0.7 nanograms (0.000000007 grams) of Clostebol, an ingredient of an ointment "had declared at the time of control and he had regularly prescribed by a physician to treat a rash. " "Everyone knows that you can not be doped with an ointment, prescribed by your doctor, and sold at any pharmacy or drug store, even without a prescription," he says.

Stresses that although "the UCI itself has recognized the use of Trofodermin cream for a therapeutic purpose" has imposed a penalty of 15 months, "a grotesque conclusion."

Assume that the Italian Cycling Federation to ratify the decision of the UCI and only he would resort to TAS, an expenditure of "30,000-35,000 euros" can not assume.

All this leads to "deep disappointment in the values ​​of honesty, justice and equality." "I leave professional cycling with dignity, never knowing that I cheated. I think this story, it has ruined my career and destroyed my dreams, also undermine the credibility, usefulness and the infallibility of its doping control system "

The full letter:

I want to clarify that my acceptance of the sanction is to be understood as a statement of capitulation: give up a system that has decided that at age 25 I quit being a professional cyclist.

I think the punishment you've decided for me is not correct and I do not feel at all that belongs to me as I have never used performance-enhancing drugs.

My biological passport is impeccable, different and multiple blood tests can not fail.

It's just Emeritus Cologne laboratory detected the presence of 0.7 millionths of a gram in my urine of a substance called Clostebol, the active ingredient of Trofodermin ointment that I had declared at the time of control and he had prescribed regularly by a physician to treat a rash.

The laboratory has been reported in very small extent, which was declared in perfect good faith. If I had not said, probably I would not be in this paradoxical situation, because it still would not have found. This remains a strong and unresolved question in my mind.

Everyone knows that you can not be doped with an ointment, prescribed by your doctor, and sold at any pharmacy or drug store, even without a prescription.

Well, after 7 long months of suspensions, explanations of the circumstances of the facts of the case, to request additional information maturing short-term and urgent, stressful waiting for some reaction from you (which came after weeks of my systematic inquiry), wear and tension mixed with fear ... The UCI estimated, despite having a very clear situation, documented beyond any doubt, he decided to treat me in a way much more severe than other athletes who "stumbled "with Trofodermin, even in the same way that one who does and has done in the past use of EPO, cocaine, blood transfusions or manipulations of his own blood, proposing a ban on 15 months, in addition to payment of costs incurred by you it's almost like a bad joke.

If your conclusion is that I will impose a disqualification certainly excessive, what is most striking are the reasons for this choice. The documentation provided by me duly demonstrated in his terms the veracity of my version and my honesty, UCI itself has recognized the use of Trofodermin cream for a therapeutic purpose, motivated by a prescription. But this explanation and justification was not enough, given the attribution of responsibility.

This is the culmination of the process of accepting the proposed sanction me for months, ostensibly to speed up the decision and avoid a trial and expenses related purpose. Obviously, none of this has happened, then the conclusion is grotesque.

The alternative that comes imposed is the transmission of the file to the Italian Cycling Federation in the development process after which the authority will have to confirm the decision disqualifying 15 months, otherwise the UCI, as already said it frankly in a tone of covert blackmail, recourse to the CAS in Lausanne; to me that defense would have a total cost of about 30-35,000 euros I do not have.

I dare say, in the light of the absurd conclusion of this case, the "red" Doping UCI has undoubtedly some dysfunction, since it does not distinguish as to who gets trapped, even the light of the circumstances that must definitely distinguish one case from another, like mine and the consumption of "real" doping in order to alter the performance and skew the results.

Reiterating then as the end of my career in cycling is due exclusively to 0.7 nanograms (0.000000007 g) of Clostebol to the same knowledge as an ointment used once in order to cure, medical recommendation, a disease demonstrated I would add that this vicissitude leads me to a profound disillusionment in the values ​​of honesty, justice and equality in the sense of treating similar situations equally and different situations differently.

Dejo professional cycling with dignity, never knowing that I cheated and I conquered all my results with dedication and sacrifice, aware that this absurd story has also caused considerable damage to my image.

Finally, I think this story has ruined my career and destroyed my dreams, also undermine the credibility, usefulness and the infallibility of its doping control system.

Sincerely,
Stefano Agostini
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 11, 2014, 19:07
Sports minister Peter Dutton vows to restore anti-doping panel

l (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sports-minister-peter-dutton-vows-to-restore-antidoping-panel-20140411-zqtma.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on April 12, 2014, 01:00
Truly the Minister for Sport in Aus is a complete MORON !!!   :fp

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 16, 2014, 14:11
Darach McQuaid and Paul Kimmage RTE radio interview  (http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A20564019%3A15036%3A16%2D04%2D2014%3A)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 17, 2014, 16:17
Here is some of the top Swedish athletes (31m30s) admitting taking some of the stuff that shocked Kimmage so much ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XnQyI3Mgbc&t=30m30s
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on April 23, 2014, 12:17
https://twitter.com/SadhbhOS/status/458925100847603712
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 16, 2014, 21:53
Big fan of Alex Dowsett but his PR team need to wake up, I appreciate his piece in CW is anti Tramadol, but talking of trialling the (albeit not banned) drug as a performance enhancer in training sends out a double standard, I am not advocating Omertà but following the gaffe re LA, Alex's team would be wise to recommend less DNF's and less 'keen to please interviews'.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 17, 2014, 06:14
Big fan of Alex Dowsett but his PR team need to wake up, I appreciate his piece in CW is anti Tramadol, but talking of trialling the (albeit not banned) drug as a performance enhancer in training sends out a double standard, I am not advocating Omertà but following the gaffe re LA, Alex's team would be wise to recommend less DNF's and less 'keen to please interviews'.

no it doesn´t set a double standard if Doping = WADA code

if as a rider you are of that line of thought then it fine to test, now if you finding not for you and then later talking about is a good thing to mind.

Re the Armstrong thing aye well live and learn I guess

Talansky did not say anything re his Garmin teammates whill ripping into Santa

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 17, 2014, 09:06
Hi JSG you are right - I think it just saddened me that a great young rider was in a situation where it was ok to test riding with albeit non banned pain killers, says more about the last vestiges of my naïveté than any dark side inference on mr dowsett whom I really rate.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Tuart on May 17, 2014, 09:49
"Hey Joan, do you have a headache? I take this stuff, it works a treat"
"Oh thanks Betty"

Alex is doing nothing different here, nothing illegal and it's a huge longbow to draw it to anything malicious.

Although I do remember Phinney's words from a few years ago.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 17, 2014, 21:20
T - no longbow or even set of pub darts with broken flights here, I 100% believe in the rider who has done so much good in his work as a GT stage winning haemophiliac , and whom I hope and believe will one day, 100% cleanly, pick up a set of TT rainbow bands.  My issue was that the PR team should have stepped in to stop a great young rider giving another semi-controversial interview, when there is much more to be said from him on the road.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 17, 2014, 21:25
To that end, and I have no idea, does Sky Andrew have any experience as a agent for any other top cyclists?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 17, 2014, 22:07
To that end, and I have no idea, does Sky Andrew have any experience as a agent for any other top cyclists?

I don't think he has. From what I know about him his sporting clients are mostly footballers with the odd cricketer every now and then. Probably the most high profile person he's represented in any sport is Sol Campbell.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on May 22, 2014, 08:23
I think we had this already

 Jimmy Briceño (1986) dio positivo por EPO en la Vuelta al Táchira

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=71907
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 14, 2014, 06:00
Excerpt: USADA Chief Travis Tygart shares his perspective on cycling

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/06/news/excerpt-usada-chief-travis-tygart-shares-perspective-cycling_331752#kPsgHC3Qxs3t6IK2.99
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 17, 2014, 13:14
https://twitter.com/tuttobiciweb_it/status/478872736979496960
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on June 17, 2014, 19:42
Per the tweet above, Patrick Facchini of Androni Giocattoli tested positive for Tuaminoheptine after Stage 3 of the 2014 Tour of Belgium.

He blames the result on the Rinofluimucil medication recommended by his team doctor for sinusitis contracted after an altitude training camp.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 17, 2014, 20:07
He blames the result on the Rinofluimucil medication recommended by his team doctor for sinusitis contracted after an altitude training camp.
And now in plain English, please. :P ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 23, 2014, 20:40
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/481148770428940288
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on June 26, 2014, 20:14
This might deserve its own thread:

interview of Inga Thompson with open discussion of USAC and Eddie B involvement in blood doping and some nice race stories

http://www.theouterline.com/perspectives-on-doping-in-pro-cycling-2-inga-thompson-5/ (http://www.theouterline.com/perspectives-on-doping-in-pro-cycling-2-inga-thompson-5/)

Eye-opening, at least for me, on the extent of practice in the 1980's. It is one view - but still illuminating, and not a voice we have heard from in many a year - and I don't think EVER heard from on these topics.

Rated Must Read if you spend any time reading the dark side.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on June 26, 2014, 20:42
This might deserve its own thread

yep, and there already is ;)

http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=5881.0
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on June 26, 2014, 20:52
yep, and there already is ;)

http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=5881.0

TY. Missed that! <facepalm>!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 27, 2014, 13:58
more doing this for myself so I can find them easy  :D

Bo hamburger talked with Michael Creed

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger/ (http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger/)

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger-part-2/ (http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger-part-2/)

the few Creed podcasts I have listened too I liked and Bo is an interesting case in Doping for mind
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Race Radio on June 27, 2014, 17:32
more doing this for myself so I can find them easy  :D

Bo hamburger talked with Michael Creed

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger/ (http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger/)

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger-part-2/ (http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger-part-2/)

the few Creed podcasts I have listened too I liked and Bo is an interesting case in Doping for mind

Interesting views on Riis.

Bo says clearly Riis facilitated the introduction of Basso, Hamilton, etc to Fuentes
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 27, 2014, 17:40
Sitting down for a listen now.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on June 27, 2014, 19:17
Well thats Cecchini and Riis thrown well and truly under the bus.

Part 2 is the more interesting from a darkside aspect.

Talks about joining what was then Jack and Jones, Riis was living in Italy and they both had the same "trainer, doctor, whatever" (Cecchini).

On his doping positive said Riis knew about it because he knew everything he did, but afterwards Riis always had a lawyer whenever they met, and told the team not to talk with him.  Clearly bad blood between him and Bjarne.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on June 27, 2014, 21:51
Interesting views on Riis.

Bo says clearly Riis facilitated the introduction of Basso, Hamilton, etc to Fuentes

How would Bo Hamburger know that for certain? time of that revelation in the interview?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on June 27, 2014, 21:54
On his doping positive said Riis knew about it because he knew everything he did, but afterwards Riis always had a lawyer whenever they met, and told the team not to talk with him.  Clearly bad blood between him and Bjarne.

Some of it relates to their wives as well, they were very close friends, but after Bo tested positive Bjarne's wife made it clear that they could not be friends anymore, Bo's wife was very hurt is the story I've heard.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on June 28, 2014, 04:07
. . .Stefano Agostini has decided to put an end to his career . . .

Dejo professional cycling with dignity, never knowing that I cheated and I conquered all my results with dedication and sacrifice, aware that this absurd story has also caused considerable damage to my image.

Finally, I think this story has ruined my career and destroyed my dreams, also undermine the credibility, usefulness and the infallibility of its doping control system.

Sincerely,
Stefano Agostini

snipped for brevity. What happens if they guy is honest and telling the truth?
Quote
No one values innocence so much as the innocent.
That quote may be inaccurate. It may be only a television dialogue line - but it is so true, regardless.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on June 28, 2014, 05:42
This was tweeted to Laz so might be stealing his thunder

Best performance accomplished falling on an official competition. Please inform us here . if you think we forgot data
Thresholds legend: Too short (<20 min) - HUMAN performance - SUSPICIOUS - MIRACULOUS - MUTANT
More details about the "Power-78kg standard" concept, the Thresholds and the margin of error in the section watt the flip? (http://www.chronoswatts.com/en)

seems to be a follow on from Vayer´s book not 100% sure
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on June 28, 2014, 16:33
Darach McQuaid and Paul Kimmage RTE radio interview  (http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A20564019%3A15036%3A16%2D04%2D2014%3A)

Interesting interview. Thx.

yep, and there already is ;)

http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=5881.0

more doing this for myself so I can find them easy  :D

Bo hamburger talked with Michael Creed

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger/ (http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger/)

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger-part-2/ (http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/open-mic-with-mike-creed-bo-hamburger-part-2/)

the few Creed podcasts I have listened too I liked and Bo is an interesting case in Doping for mind

Wow, can you say whiskey-powered? But GREAT discussion. The whole thing - management difficulties. Knowing more now than as stupid young guy - lovely quote material in there about "how many people I have to apologize to". What it was like as a rider.

I know the guilty always say - but "everybody" does it! But, in this case, we now think Bo is reflecting reality more than dissembling. Interesting view on how it started coming apart - when young journos - ignorant of the subculture mores - came into the mix.

How would Bo Hamburger know that for certain? time of that revelation in the interview?

I didn't catch everything that was said - but I did not notice anything being said as specifically as this. So I am also wondering at what minute in the broadcast can this be found? I noticed it was INFERRED - everybody involved, riders, mgmt, docs, and journos, was said to know what was going on.

But, you know, between the Bo Hamburger interview and the Inga Thompson interview, we really get a picture of what it was like - what was going on. I think they validate each other. Good stuff, very good stuff.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on June 28, 2014, 16:37
But, you know, between the Bo Hamburger interview and the Inga Thompson interview, we really get a picture of what it was like - what was going on. I think they validate each other. Good stuff, very good stuff.

Agree, it is just there is a difference of "knowing", knowing and being able to prove something.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on June 28, 2014, 16:59
Agree, it is just there is a difference of "knowing", knowing and being able to prove something.

Absolutely true. And we "know" that not everyone was in the loop - because we can believe Lemond's testimony that HE was not "in the loop" at the time. He has always maintained he found out some years later. Thompson's interview validates Bo's, in that she indicates a high level of involvement throughout the organizing structure. Thompson's discussion also validates Lemond's historical statements, with her natural hematocrit being high. He would have been in the same boat. 

And Bo saying that everybody was given the "story", and they all stuck to it - fits with pretty much everybody being "in on it". So much so that when young journos, who were not familiar with the omerta morality, came around, the riders talked to them AS IF they were in the know. Which is also something one would expect.

It is all individuals just telling stories, so maybe we don't really know anything. But, it all fits with the known facts. It all fits with earlier testimonies, like those primarily against LA. So it is nothing new - but it validates the darker outlooks about those twenty plus years. And, even though we only have Bo saying "everybody knew" - and we know that is only one person's viewpoint - his viewpoint is validated by others.

What these interviews, Inga and Bo's, offer is not earth-shattering - but - at least imo - we are now getting a much more complete and honest picture. And since we have had the outlines of the picture already laid out, these guys are coloring in the middle. But because they are corroborating, we can have some faith when they say "everybody knew". 

Of course, at this point there is no "proof" - no smoking needle left. Except, at some point, at some level, testimony becomes proof, yes?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on June 28, 2014, 17:13
Of course, at this point there is no "proof" - no smoking needle left. Except, at some point, at some level, testimony becomes proof, yes?

Yes, but not testimonies about people "knowing" that will never be proof, but it doesn't matter, did Riis let his riders dope on Home-Jack and Jones and Team CSC of cause he did. He must have known. But unless it is enough to suspend him for it adds very little as we all knew that about Bjarne already.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on July 03, 2014, 12:13
The wheels are slowly coming off the #cwk bandwagon ...

First there's a very public mud-fight in the comment section of Feltet.dk where the father of Alexander Kamp accuses the team of not releasing his son from the contract, with Hembo replying that there is no paperwork filed with DCU for this; arguing on technicalities as he is fond to do.

Then Danish boulevard newspaper BT has found out that Mattia Gavazzi has apparently sniffed cocaine. And Hembo doesn't deny this as much as he would if it weren't true: http://www.bt.dk/cykling/kyllingens-hold-ramt-af-dopingsag (http://www.bt.dk/cykling/kyllingens-hold-ramt-af-dopingsag)

What's more, that article mentions, almost in passing, that Tino Zaballa has been voluntarily suspended since mid-May due to an OOC AAF (out-of-competition adverse analytical finding) - in plain words, a positive test. Allegedly for a substance he has a TUE for.

:fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 03, 2014, 12:54
Sad Jonny Bellis is caught up in this mess
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 03, 2014, 13:22
The wheels are slowly coming off the #cwk bandwagon ...

Not too sure if it is of the bandwagon or just the whole bus in general. Slowly? it is more like
(http://s.mlkshk.com/r/79TQ)

Sad Jonny Bellis is caught up in this mess

Bellis was the one who got Gavazzi fired it seems he took a picture of him snorting and showed it to the Team. Why does Hembo claim that no doping violation happened when Cocaine is definitely on the banned list. Is it okay to do cocaine of of competition or something? If Zabella has that TUE why has they not let him off yet?

Why does the team have to release Kamp? He is under contract so unless they agree to rip that contract up it can't happen.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 03, 2014, 13:23
Not too sure if it is of the bandwagon or just the whole bus in general. Slowly? it is more like
(http://s.mlkshk.com/r/79TQ)

Bellis was the one who got Gavazzi fired it seems he took a picture of him snorting and showed it to the Team. Why does Hembo claim that no doping violation happened when Cocaine is definitely on the banned list. Is it okay to do cocaine of of competition or something? If Zabella has that TUE why has they not let him off yet?

Why does the team have to release Kamp? He is under contract so unless they agree to rip that contract up it can't happen.

hembo said it was after the race, so yep no doping Violation, if it was morning lines he should be busted
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 03, 2014, 14:02
I wonder if Kamp will ever find another team, 20 is a young age of having to call quits, maybe he can sign with somebody in Asia, he seems finished in Denmark. Hard to see any team signing him.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on July 03, 2014, 14:11
Not too sure if it is of the bandwagon or just the whole bus in general. Slowly? it is more like
(http://s.mlkshk.com/r/79TQ)
:lol

Bellis was the one who got Gavazzi fired it seems he took a picture of him snorting and showed it to the Team. Why does Hembo claim that no doping violation happened when Cocaine is definitely on the banned list. Is it okay to do cocaine of of competition or something?
Cocaine is only prohibited IN competition. If he snorted after the race, he's fine (where doping rules are concerned, he certainly has all kinds of other issues).
Tom Boonen is another rider who has said hello to the white lines. OOC, so no ban.

If Zabella has that TUE why has they not let him off yet?
My own, personal interpretation is that he doesn't have it, and it's the CWK management slowly backtracking as they're unwilling to admit a positive.
In January, Hamburger called Reda's case "completely ridiculous" the very day before Reda got a 2-year suspension. And that was not a "ridiculous case", that was an evaded doping control after winning a UCI race.
I imagine this case is similarly "ridiculous".

Why does the team have to release Kamp? He is under contract so unless they agree to rip that contract up it can't happen.
They don't have to. But if Kamp can prove negligence from the team, not providing goods, money and/or services that were promised in the contract, he has a good case before the DCU committee that would evaluate the case.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 03, 2014, 14:35
But if Kamp can prove negligence from the team, not providing goods, money and/or services that were promised in the contract, he has a good case before the DCU committee that would evaluate the case.

So he will likely be released sometime I guess.

I really don't know how to feel about CWO are they trying to give 2nd chances or are they just the most old school doping team out there. I tend to think the first, but every ones in a while they just seem to do some things that make me doubt it.

I think you are right RE: Zaballa, if he has a TUE why is he waiting for his B test. Could he not just say, well here you are. Maybe he is trying to get one from the UCI? I don't like how they handled the Gavazzi case in my point of view they should have told him, that he is suspended but if he decides to go through rehab he can remain on the team, let him go public with what happened, send him to rehab. Look like hero's for helping a rider and no talks about doping because it is OOC.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on July 03, 2014, 16:43
I think you are right RE: Zaballa, if he has a TUE why is he waiting for his B test. Could he not just say, well here you are. Maybe he is trying to get one from the UCI? I don't like how they handled the Gavazzi case in my point of view they should have told him, that he is suspended but if he decides to go through rehab he can remain on the team, let him go public with what happened, send him to rehab. Look like hero's for helping a rider and no talks about doping because it is OOC.
#cwk should offer you a job. You'd actually make them look good. :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 03, 2014, 16:47
#cwk should offer you a job. You'd actually make them look good. :D

I know this is Basso all over again, why didn't he just say he was donating blood to help orphans in Spain, and that the money that he "donated" to Fuentes was meant for that too. It's not doping if you don't re-infuse.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 03, 2014, 18:05
I wonder if Kamp will ever find another team, 20 is a young age of having to call quits, maybe he can sign with somebody in Asia, he seems finished in Denmark. Hard to see any team signing him.

I guess that who Bo as talking about in the pod cast
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 03, 2014, 18:12
I guess that who Bo as talking about in the pod cast

I'll give it a listen after all I think.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 03, 2014, 19:26
I guess that who Bo as talking about in the pod cast

After hearing it, I can confirm that is the case.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 04, 2014, 01:05
I know this is Basso all over again, why didn't he just say he was donating blood to help orphans in Spain, and that the money that he "donated" to Fuentes was meant for that too. It's not doping if you don't re-infuse.

Intending to dope is also an infraction

therefore its an offence to withdraw even if you dont re-infuse
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 04, 2014, 17:26
Intending to dope is also an infraction

therefore its an offence to withdraw even if you dont re-infuse

Yes I know, however if he claim the reason why he took out the blood was not for doping, what could they do?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 05, 2014, 01:56
well - the standard of prrof is "comfortable satisfaction" ... they dont have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was for doping - just that it was pretty likely.

If it was for a blood donation, surely he would have done it with a blood donor service?  If it was for research .. you withdraw different amounts, and dont store it so long, you do the research straight away etc.

I cant come up with a reason why a rider would withdraw a full blood bag, and store it with their own doctor or by another person (not a commercial service) ... other than for personal use.


So .. yes, in theory he could claim if was for another purpose - but he would need to come up with a plausible story, with evidence to back up said plausible story ... which isnt so easy
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on July 05, 2014, 02:24
I know this is Basso all over again, why didn't he just say he was donating blood to help orphans in Spain, and that the money that he "donated" to Fuentes was meant for that too. It's not doping if you don't re-infuse.

Just wanted to pitch a coupla thots in here.

1. Withdrawing blood has an impact on signaling your body to make more and make other adjustments. Just sayin', cuz seems like somebody might manipulate this process.

2. Blood is extremely perishable. You can store - what's it called? The clear stuff the cells run in? --- Google help me --- aha. Plasma. You can freeze plasma and store it for a year or two, as I recall. But the cells have a MUCH shorter lifespan when refrigerated. You have to be careful when trying to maintain blood to re-use.

So, if the purpose is to support some cause - the blood should get used soon, right?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 05, 2014, 07:20
Just wanted to pitch a coupla thots in here.

1. Withdrawing blood has an impact on signaling your body to make more and make other adjustments. Just sayin', cuz seems like somebody might manipulate this process.

2. Blood is extremely perishable. You can store - what's it called? The clear stuff the cells run in? --- Google help me --- aha. Plasma. You can freeze plasma and store it for a year or two, as I recall. But the cells have a MUCH shorter lifespan when refrigerated. You have to be careful when trying to maintain blood to re-use.

So, if the purpose is to support some cause - the blood should get used soon, right?

I believe you can keep the cells much longer, at least the red blood cells, I remember that MR commented on the centrifuge and freezer that he had set up in Austria with Kohl among others that it would enable him to store blood for any time. It is just a question of freezing it strongly enough. If you actually donated they would screen it and then use it. The main point is here that they couldn't prove that Basso didn't believe that he was donating to a charity (both money and blood) Everybody would "know" either way that he intended to dope, but they couldn't have suspended him as they couldn't prove anything.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 05, 2014, 10:13
Freezing whole blood is technically difficult, costly and time consuming.

It needs to be frozen in very specific manners, stirred, kept, maintained ... all kinds of complications.


Operation Puerto happened because Fuentes had a big special freezer and equipment for freezing blood (that he called 'Siberia') ... so that they didnt need to refresh nearly so often etc. 

But it comes with risks ... its hard to get it right 100% of the time, and easy to get it wrong.   Tyler Hamilton - happens when they get it wrong
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 05, 2014, 23:58
But it comes with risks ... its hard to get it right 100% of the time, and easy to get it wrong.   Tyler Hamilton - happens when they get it wrong

My only point was really that I think Basso could have, with good PR, lied his way out of a suspension. Not saying doping is a good idea, or that people wouldn't think he doped. But he might have been able to skip the ban. It is besides the point though, was mainly just a side point to something else.

As far as Hamilton goes are we talking about the Vuelta positive? Two team mates infusing each others blood seems avoidable to me. But to be completely honest Fuentes seems like a pretty lousy doctor, and I certainly think he is a danger to the public.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 07, 2014, 12:36
https://twitter.com/Kenny_Pryde/status/486110460887203840
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 08, 2014, 07:16
http://www.theouterline.com/perspectives-on-doping-in-pro-cycling-3-will-frischkorn/




For example, Will says, “Filippo Pozzato was my same age and a competitor as a junior, and he’d already been caught several times trying to dope and transfer drugs across borders, and so on.  So it wasn’t like we didn’t know something was going on.  We did – but it all just seemed kind of distant and hazy.”

http://www.dopeology.org/people/Filippo_Pozzato/

not according to laz hmmm

Horner :lol

But Frischkorn suggests that there were also several other American riders who decided to take a different direction.  He cites some well-known riders who were utilizing EPO programs during the Saturn years, and who had “unnatural” performance breakthroughs.  “People knew it – that EPO could really change their performance.”  Frischkorn tells of one older rider – still active in the professional peloton – who essentially explained to him the ropes of EPO usage; where to buy it, how to store it, and how to use it.   “It wasn’t anything really dark or evil, and nobody was pressuring anyone.  It was more just like your big brother showing you how to do something – just kind of trying to take care of you.”

Anyway read the rest yourself
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on July 09, 2014, 12:16
Good to see 1) anti-doping getting "mainstream" press coverage and 2) that it isn't focussed on cycling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/28194582 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/28194582)

PS:

Quote
Of non-Olympic disciplines, chess recorded three adverse findings, while bridge returned one.

WTactualF?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 09, 2014, 12:43
Good to see 1) anti-doping getting "mainstream" press coverage and 2) that it isn't focussed on cycling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/28194582 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/28194582)

PS:

WTactualF?

Page filler, but it's uppers for concentration.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LiamP on July 12, 2014, 13:48
I only know this as it was mentioned elsewhere but Menchov has been banned until 2015 for Bio Passport adverse finding. Was there any formal annoucement of this  :S

This is the link http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTU3Mjg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=Nzk5OTY&LangId=1
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 12, 2014, 14:50
I only know this as it was mentioned elsewhere but Menchov has been banned until 2015 for Bio Passport adverse finding. Was there any formal annoucement of this  :S

This is the link http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTU3Mjg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=Nzk5OTY&LangId=1

So this might be who the "Secret Pro" was talking about.

Honestly after reading MR's book it comes as no surprise that Menchov would be caught this way.

His Bio passport looked like a mountain stage that Rasmussen would have been favorite to win  :lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on July 12, 2014, 14:58
I only know this as it was mentioned elsewhere but Menchov has been banned until 2015 for Bio Passport adverse finding. Was there any formal annoucement of this  :S

This is the link http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTU3Mjg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=Nzk5OTY&LangId=1

One would think that would get coverage in the press. Wtf. Anyway, I'd be surprised if he gets a contract to come back - he's always struggled to be in the top levels. He always seemed to be one of those "not quite" riders.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 12, 2014, 15:09
He always seemed to be one of those "not quite" riders.

He won three GT's, but Rasmussen said the same in his book, a Rabo DS told Michael that he thought he had a rider that would win the Tour (Menchov) and asked what MR thought. MR remembered thinking that he agreed that they had a rider that would win the Tour, but it wasn't Menchov.  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 14, 2014, 11:07
I only know this as it was mentioned elsewhere but Menchov has been banned until 2015 for Bio Passport adverse finding. Was there any formal annoucement of this  :S

This is the link http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTU3Mjg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=Nzk5OTY&LangId=1

this is the new open UCI at work there will be no formal annoucements

According to AP, the UCI will – with the apparent exception of “some” high-profile cases – no longer issue press releases to announce positive tests and bans. The information will instead be posted to its website, without fanfare, as happened in the Menchov case.

This contrasts with the approach promised by UCI president Brian Cookson in his election manifesto in May of last year. "It is critical that the UCI embraces a more open and transparent approach in the way it conducts business," Cookson wrote at the time.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/menchov-case-an-example-of-the-ucis-new-way-of-communicating-on-doping-violations (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/menchov-case-an-example-of-the-ucis-new-way-of-communicating-on-doping-violations)

that is a disgrace
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 14, 2014, 11:10
agreed

how is that open and transparent?   

 :angry
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 14, 2014, 11:15
agreed

how is that open and transparent?   

 :angry

yep, half the thing about getting banned is the naming and shaming, They made their money , got the fame and results, A quiet press release ince every while from the UCI will not help in the negative public image that a big annoucement has associaited with it , and this negative image may stop some riders from doping.

A very backward step from the UCI and WADA ( which is where it came from )
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 14, 2014, 11:16
agreed

how is that open and transparent?   

 :angry

It is open, the information is out there, it is more a question of giving cycling a better reputation, this will lead to less coverage of the positive doping cases which will be less. This means that there is more coverage of cycling and less of doping in cycling. To be honest I think this is an improvement, those that really want the information can still find it, and it is still apparent where to find it.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 14, 2014, 11:22
A ban is handed out for 2 reasons

1 - as a punishment. There should be personal consequence if you get caught cheating.   

2 - as a deterrent.   Being caught, and publicly punished, the damage to your reputation etc ... it deters others from cheating.

So - in the case of Menchov - There is no consequence as he is retired ... and no deterrence to anyone as they didnt tell anyone.


Its not good enough
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 14, 2014, 11:30
It is open, the information is out there, it is more a question of giving cycling a better reputation, this will lead to less coverage of the positive doping cases which will be less. This means that there is more coverage of cycling and less of doping in cycling. To be honest I think this is an improvement, those that really want the information can still find it, and it is still apparent where to find it.

as far as this goes DB-Coop - I could not disagree with you more.

If they want PR .. hire a PR firm to spin it.

ITS GOOD that they punish cheaters.   The more they catch the better it is.   So much better than those other cheating sports with no positives as they are not making any effort to catch them ...

see - its not that hard.  Even I can do it.


Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 14, 2014, 11:40
as far as this goes DB-Coop - I could not disagree with you more.

If they want PR .. hire a PR firm to spin it.

ITS GOOD that they punish cheaters.   The more they catch the better it is.   So much better than those other cheating sports with no positives as they are not making any effort to catch them ...

see - its not that hard.  Even I can do it.

The problem is that the sponsors are very much afraid of doping scandals, and that the many catches (which I agree is good) have resulted in a situation where it is very hard to find sponsors, if you look at the commercial value of sponsoring a cycling team, the value of such a sponsorship to cost far exceeds that of sponsoring a football team. They need to make doping a smaller part of cycling (visually too) if cycling is to move on.

No need for a press release, just keep a list, anybody that want to know who is banned can just go look at the list. If anything they could increase the financial punishment of dopers, and flag any results by a rider prior to being caught, not just remove the one where he was caught.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 14, 2014, 11:48
but that is where the PR comes in.   Sponsors make it a GOOD thing that they are catching someone.  Shout it out loud.


Hiding it just means that there is no real deterrent to being caught ... where is the consequence if the guy just quietly goes away, and comes back in a year or two with no one knowing or caring where he has been.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 14, 2014, 12:00
but that is where the PR comes in.   Sponsors make it a GOOD thing that they are catching someone.  Shout it out loud.


Hiding it just means that there is no real deterrent to being caught ... where is the consequence if the guy just quietly goes away, and comes back in a year or two with no one knowing or caring where he has been.

Problem is that other sports that never catch anybody is seen as clean by the media/public so catching somebody is a step back from that because if you catch someone that means someone is cheating. There is way too much focus on doping in cycling, even when people don't test positive they are discussed in terms of doping. The Froome thread on this site is a good example. Even with no public shaming there still is a major incentive not to test positive. The financial loss one makes, and when riders come back often times they end up riding for lower teams Miche etc. Also I don't really like public shaming as a punishment, it seems rather medieval and does it really stop doping, after Pantani was caught did he immediately stop doping? did Hamilton? did Ullrich? The only thing this public shaming has resulted in is Pantani killing him self, and the likes of Rasmussen and Santambrogio almost doing the same. 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 14, 2014, 12:04
But does it stop the NEXT guy from doping?  the young guys coming through - do THEY look at what happens if you get caught and think about whether or not to dope?


Why is it that doping is acceptable by everyone ... but say ... putting a battery in the bike, or disabling someone elses bike ... is not?   

The public (and other riders) reactions to other kinds of cheating make it much less acceptable.  The reactions to doping are that 'its ok' - its not considered cheating.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 14, 2014, 12:16
But does it stop the NEXT guy from doping?  the young guys coming through - do THEY look at what happens if you get caught and think about whether or not to dope?

Honestly the getting caught part is not worse than having to live a lie etc. I think that the way former dopers talk about their time doping helps in painting the image that it is impossible to get away with forever and people that dope generally feel terrible about their life.

Why is it that doping is acceptable by everyone ... but say ... putting a battery in the bike, or disabling someone elses bike ... is not?   

The public (and other riders) reactions to other kinds of cheating make it much less acceptable.  The reactions to doping are that 'its ok' - its not considered cheating.

Because people are caught all the time, or seem to be (partly because of the press release) If someone test positive my reaction would not be "This is an outrage" it would be more like "oh well..." because we have seen it so many times before.

Much like how crossing a red light on foot is acceptable but in a car it is a no go.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on July 14, 2014, 13:00
It is open, the information is out there, . . .

It is open and transparent. One can not say it is not. It simply is not shouted from the rooftops. Whether or not shouting it from the rooftops is good or bad, I can not say.

It could be that, if they are truly serious, they know there will be more adverse findings, so that rather than treating them like they are exceptional - which, you have to admit, was the de rigeur format up until very recently - they want to treat them in a more matter-of-fact manner. Perhaps hoping for less "dopage" negative press events.

If Cookson gets sufficient negative attention for this new method, he may well change it. He could also be seeking ways to save money internally, and press events cost money. Let the press do some of the leg work, instead of internal staff. Who knows. Let the fuss stew for a bit, and see what Cookson's reaction is.

One other thought, on punishment - EVERYTHING about a punishment, at least in modern systems, comes down to one word - deterrent. A deterrent for the guilty, and a deterrent for the not-yet-guilty. The only other words that I think are truly definitional are revenge, and stability. Revenge is a human emotion that desires satisfaction, and may have no other practical purpose or result. Stability is the goal of the leadership, and guilty individuals may be removed from the polis to achieve stability. E.g. Socrates (who could also be said to be a victim of revenge motivation).

Punishment is usually out of proportion to the crime, because the guilty have a skewed curve of perceived reward vs risk. Therefore it takes a large risk to impress on them that there IS a risk. We don't know yet if 2 years is enough - but I think it is more dependent on the testing regimes, and how big the risk is of getting caught at all that will be the biggest variable here. IMO.

I think our systems have moved past revenge as a factor in dishing out punishment. Even if some of the public have not. The same can not be said of stability. Leaders still act to remove destabilizing influences. At least - when they are aware of them.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Dim on July 14, 2014, 17:39
Menchov's ban has been totally open and transparent, its impossible to argue otherwise. The UCI publish regularly a list of doping violations. That list is freely accessible, and lists all doping bans, that is totally open. Theres no way any other argument can be made.

What WASNT open and transparent however, was the initial announcement of proceedings being taken against Menchov for BioPassport violations. That was not published, or announced in any way. Instead he retired.

But, McQuaid was in charge then, someone not exactly renowned for his openness or his transparency.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 14, 2014, 22:00
Lars Bak unhappy with doping controls, says that how much riders is tested much depends on place of residence. DCU (Danish National Federation) confirms that this is actually an issue, Bak has apparently been tested 17 times this year already.

http://politiken.dk/sport/ECE2341426/dopingkontrol-ikke-fair-lars-bak-er-testet-17-gange-i-aar/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on July 15, 2014, 01:47
Lars Bak unhappy with doping controls, says that how much riders is tested much depends on place of residence. DCU (Danish National Federation) confirms that this is actually an issue, Bak has apparently been tested 17 times this year already.

http://politiken.dk/sport/ECE2341426/dopingkontrol-ikke-fair-lars-bak-er-testet-17-gange-i-aar/

Forgive me in advance, while I go all val-gurl on ya, even tho it is out-of-sex, not to mention way past my generation. But:

"17 times? Like, this is a PROBLEM?"

Listen - I pee several times a day. I can't see any problem EVER collecting pee. I've given blood draws for blood tests as often as once a week. I CAN NOT see any problem in that! Which only leaves the invasion of privacy issues, which are strictly psychological and personal.

NO SYMPATHY. Not here. Tough (harrrumphh, can't say that here). HTFU.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on July 15, 2014, 01:59
I don't know where else to post this - but I had a clear thought just a few minutes ago.

The radio was talking about World Cup going to Russia. Comparing it to past Olympics, particularly the last one - where Russia failed mightily. Move on to the next, Sochi, and Russia succeeds mightily.

I am NOT saying that Russia did this, but you know, one of the biggest problems about doping, ever since the East Germans started the sports experiments in supplementation, a team/country/individual could BUY a victory. That, to me, is one of the biggest betrayals. 

If you can buy the victory, I might as well watch the WWE wrestling. Phagh.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on July 15, 2014, 03:04
Vino says :hi
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 15, 2014, 08:04
Forgive me in advance, while I go all val-gurl on ya, even tho it is out-of-sex, not to mention way past my generation. But:

"17 times? Like, this is a PROBLEM?"

Listen - I pee several times a day. I can't see any problem EVER collecting pee. I've given blood draws for blood tests as often as once a week. I CAN NOT see any problem in that! Which only leaves the invasion of privacy issues, which are strictly psychological and personal.

NO SYMPATHY. Not here. Tough (harrrumphh, can't say that here). HTFU.
I  think Bak is pointing out something very important.

he gets tested 17 times other riders not once in 6 months.

What he is saying live in a easy to get to place you get tested more, live in a hard to get to place less testing.

Does not matter the athlete or what results, that is wrong and a big hole or another big hole in the system
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 15, 2014, 08:08
Forgive me in advance, while I go all val-gurl on ya, even tho it is out-of-sex, not to mention way past my generation. But:

"17 times? Like, this is a PROBLEM?"

Listen - I pee several times a day. I can't see any problem EVER collecting pee. I've given blood draws for blood tests as often as once a week. I CAN NOT see any problem in that! Which only leaves the invasion of privacy issues, which are strictly psychological and personal.

NO SYMPATHY. Not here. Tough (harrrumphh, can't say that here). HTFU.

In case it wasn't clear, (It obviously was not) the point is that others get tested way less, like JSG said, not that he gets tested too much. Basically it is cheaper to test in Lucca and other places where many riders live, which means ADA's will test these riders more often.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 15, 2014, 12:48
1st I think maybe all the uci transparent discussion maybe shoukd go in the uci cookson thread,

but this appeared on cn

I think we can do a better job. I think we can update that schedule more effectively but there have been seventy-odd cases since I became UCI president and took over and I don’t think you guys are interested in everyone but I do accept that you are interested in some more than others. We probably have to look at the way we present information to the public. If there is a case that is of public interest, I think we have to announce it in a proactive way rather than in a reactive way as we've done in the past."

70 cases in what 8 months

laz how many have you entered?

Anyway following WADA code =/= open and transparent


 http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cookson-hits-back-over-handling-of-menchov-doping-case


Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on July 15, 2014, 13:03
I don’t think you guys are interested in everyone
Yes, Mr. Cookson, we are. Some rider doping at a 2.2 race in Asia or South America is not less important than a WT pro.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 15, 2014, 13:58
Yes, Mr. Cookson, we are. Some rider doping at a 2.2 race in Asia or South America is not less important than a WT pro.

I am assuming that "you guys" means the press and that is certainly true. The press has little to say about doping outside of the European WT/ProConti scene.

Reports that do discuss these cases often do so with a view to piquant exoticism, according to the following formula:

Number of positives proportional to ridiculousness of products proportional to faraway location.

This is the way it has always been, as long as I have worked with this sort of media reporting and it is one reason I only list Euro cases: the sources elsewhere are frequently unreliable.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 17, 2014, 11:20
Xenon and Argon gas doping to be banned come September, will be interesting if we see any drop off.

http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/i23/Doping-Agency-Bans-Xenon-Argon.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on July 17, 2014, 11:29
Just in time for the winter season, at least Russia will be a bit unhappy
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on July 19, 2014, 08:58
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/support-for-armstrong-looks-like-a-sport-going-into-denial-30443701.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 19, 2014, 09:04
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/support-for-armstrong-looks-like-a-sport-going-into-denial-30443701.html

So, a journo from the country of Catholics wants no forgiveness. :D He has a point, I suppose, but I think we are still a long way from an Armstrong rehabilitation.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on July 22, 2014, 15:24
Vayer writing for Le Monde (http://www.lemonde.fr/tour-de-france/article/2014/07/15/nibali-et-son-equipe-se-promenent_4457576_1616918.html?xtmc=vayer&xtcr=3)
No idea what exactly is in this, just saw it on Twitter (thanks Tanja).

Apparently something about Andy and bio-passport trouble. :shh
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 22, 2014, 18:24
Vayer writing for Le Monde (http://www.lemonde.fr/tour-de-france/article/2014/07/15/nibali-et-son-equipe-se-promenent_4457576_1616918.html?xtmc=vayer&xtcr=3)
No idea what exactly is in this, just saw it on Twitter (thanks Tanja).

Apparently something about Andy and bio-passport trouble. :shh

I'll translate. Please wait ...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 22, 2014, 19:03
http://www.lemonde.fr/tour-de-france/article/2014/07/15/nibali-et-son-equipe-se-promenent_4457576_1616918.html

Nibali in Froome's slipstream

Antoine Vayer in Le Monde, 15 July 2014

"I'm disappointed," is an expression you hear everywhere in cycling. The cyclist underestimates himself while the footballer overrates himself. It's hard to reconcile this attitude. Jaded by revelations of cheating, the public no longer believes it. Only the latest was the disqualification of Denis Menchov from the 2010 Tour podium, after Alberto Contador had already been cut. Andy Schleck is the last man standing, but not for very long. He's been pretty miserable ever since. I'm disappointed, he said later. To turn disappointment around, you have to talk positive.

One: Chris Froome's abandon on Stage 5 due to crashes. This is a big relief. With miraculous, 430W performances, he was looking like doing better than Armstrong. He would have dominated this edition.

Two: The Saxo Bank team and Alberto, "directed" by Bjarne Riis and belonging to the mutant 450W zone, were looking questionable. On the Col de la Croix des Moinats during the first stage in the Vosges, the Saxo riders rode at more than 27km/h. Contador finished it off with a record climb of the Mauselaine, pushing 545W for 5'11". Extrapolating those numbers, he looked very capable of reaching his miraculous performances of 2009 at more than 430W for the long cols. His crash spared us that. One less cause for stress.

Three: Thomas Voeckler tried a repeat of his crazy breakaways of past times, which were equivalent to those performances of Virenque, Hamilton, Landis and Rasmussen. He slipped away with a little group, taking on the Petit Ballon (9.4km at 8.08%), the Platzerwaesel (7.05km at 8.36%) and the Oderen (6.55km at 5.87%), climbed at a tempo of more than 380W by the monster Tony Martin. Voeckler blew up on the Cold des Chevrères (3.5km at 9.5%) instead of pulling away and winning like he used to. That was reassuring.

TWO EMPTY STEPS

Four: Jean-Christophe Péraud, spokesman for the "less than 410W average" club on Grand Tour climbs (which includes Bardet, Pinot and others of the "new generation"), told us: "I won races like the Critérium International this year with the same power I've always had. That's new. Others like me have finished near the front too, just behind Froome and Contador. Now since yesterday, we're major factors in this Tour and we can even dream of a podium." That is encouraging.

What's worrying though is Vincenzo Nibali and his team. They're walking it. He belongs to the "more than 410W average" club. Winning the 2010 Vuelta and the 2013 Giro with 414W both times, on the wrong side of suspicious. After his demonstration in England (first in Sheffield) and on the pavé where he was flying (second in Arenberg) "with more power than on the cols", he pulled off the win on the Planche des Belles Filles (5.9km at 8.5%) without even getting started until halfway up the climb. He came close to the miraculous ride by Froome (16'23"), just 19" down and barely 13W less than the 467W of the Brit.

Nibali, in contrast to his Astana boss Vinokourov, himself a former 'mutant', denied working with the dodgy doctor Ferrari as he had been accused by Ivano Fanini, the manager of the Amore e Vita team. So the 2010 Tour podium now has two empty steps and it will be thus in 2014 based on current standings. On each occasion, the riders fell, on the results of a dope test or on asphalt. That just leaves Schleck in 2010 and Nibali in 2014. The Italian could still yet cause our 'speed cameras' on the high mountains to flash. And if he doesn't fall, there will still be some who will be depressed.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Mellow Velo on July 22, 2014, 20:00
 
http://www.lemonde.fr/tour-de-france/article/2014/07/15/nibali-et-son-equipe-se-promenent_4457576_1616918.html

Nibali in Froome's slipstream

Antoine Vayer in Le Monde, 15 July 2014



So, what Vayer is saying is that any performance NOT by a French rider is dirty, but the French are all clean.
Have I read that right?
 Mmmm, I wonder what rational he'll come up with to explain how the guy he just called dirty, got gapped by
a clean French rider, today?
 Not to mention Valverde getting dropped like a bag doggie doos.
 Day after a rest day, too.

 The guy has become a poisonous loon, who unfortunately is taken far too seriously by sections of the media, both professional and social.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on July 24, 2014, 23:35

So, what Vayer is saying is that any performance NOT by a French rider is dirty, but the French are all clean.
Have I read that right?
 Mmmm, I wonder what rational he'll come up with to explain how the guy he just called dirty, got gapped by
a clean French rider, today?
 Not to mention Valverde getting dropped like a bag doggie doos.
 Day after a rest day, too.

 The guy has become a poisonous loon, who unfortunately is taken far too seriously by sections of the media, both professional and social.

I would not take it as far as you have, re: Vayer, and there is an inherent problem. We have a noticeable absence of facts and trust. Vayer, at least, gives the public standards to judge by, and an "expert" opinion. I really don't need to put the "expert" in quotes, as he is truly an expert if anyone is. Which does not necessarily mean he is right.

But we NEED others, besides team managers who are former riders and riders who are currently involved to give us something to go on. There is too little data that falls into the category of "known".

Since he offers SOMETHING to hold on to, and it seems to be the most reasonable "handle" for objectivity available to most people, he gets the stage, so to speak.

I don't think he is being partial to French riders here - it is strictly the - what did he call it? The >410W club?


And, you have to admit, we ALL have our doubts about the >410W club. But I, like you, also have my doubts about Vayer's conclusions. He may be too rigid, but I'm also glad he is out there.

Edit: corrected 450W to >410W.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on July 25, 2014, 11:42
So, we get through both Tour rest days without police raids and doping violations. But the Commonwealth Games hits day 2 and is already in trouble.

Glasgow 2014: Rhys Williams suspended over doping violation (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/commonwealth-games/28479246)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on July 25, 2014, 11:49
So, we get through both Tour rest days without police raids and doping violations. But the Commonwealth Games hits day 2 and is already in trouble.

Glasgow 2014: Rhys Williams suspended over doping violation (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/commonwealth-games/28479246)

PR doping! :o

The Wales PR team goes into robot-overdrive. Did you notice this, folks?

From CJ's article above...

Quote
Williams, who was co-captain of the Wales athletics team in Glasgow, said: "I am utterly devastated about the news of this anti-doping rule violation, which has come as a great shock to me.

"From the outset, I would strongly like to state that I have not knowingly taken any banned substance."

...

"However, I recognise that the responsibility for this situation lies with me and I'm committed to working with UK Anti-Doping and will fully cooperate in the legal process."

As CJ's article states, this was Wales' second violation. In another story linked directly from there, the previous pinger, Gareth Warburton, had this to say on July 16th:

Quote
"The news of this anti-doping rule violation has come as a great shock to me," [Warburton] said in a statement.

"From the outset, I would like to state that I have not knowingly taken any banned substance."

...

"I recognise that the responsibility for this situation lies with me and I'm committed to working with UK Anti-Doping and will fully cooperate in the legal process," Warburton said.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/commonwealth-games/28329545
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on July 25, 2014, 11:53
Great spot L'arri!  :lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on August 07, 2014, 01:33
So, we get through both Tour rest days without police raids and doping violations. But the Commonwealth Games hits day 2 and is already in trouble.

Glasgow 2014: Rhys Williams suspended over doping violation (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/commonwealth-games/28479246)

Damn runners. Gawd, didn't they START the modern doping era? Lasse Viren?


[tongue in cheek, folks, tongue in cheek.];)

But it does make me wonder if the vampires were more active at the Commonwealth Games, and if so, why.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on August 18, 2014, 16:28
Well, {poof!} up in smoke - there goes one career -->

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tiernan-locke-suspension-confirmed-by-uk-anti-doping (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tiernan-locke-suspension-confirmed-by-uk-anti-doping)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on August 26, 2014, 15:46
This doesn't really belong in "news" - but I didn't know where to put it.

Ran across a link to Peloton mag - and checked out a column about Chiapucci's great escape, 1992 TdF, stage 13. Inspired me to go look it up on YouTube.

And, when I got there, and realized I was looking at a roll call of famous responders, I had to sigh, and think to myself: "visions of Floyd Landis breakaway". I've heard somewhere that Claudio was one of the dodgy ones, but this really brought that to highlight. Virenque, Big Mig, Gert-Jan T - they were all there. Big Mig is the only one of that trio who has not openly admitted or been caught - only having de facto conceded an admission. Idk if Chiappucci was ever caught - but it didn't matter. I turned off the video after only a few minutes.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on August 26, 2014, 18:26
Idk if Chiappucci was ever caught - but it didn't matter.

Two spells in the cooler for high haematocrit effectively ended his career in the late 90s.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on August 27, 2014, 19:11
https://twitter.com/Kenny_Pryde/status/504687661622513664

Giovanni Di Maria born 96 - epo

Luca Cingi born 91 -epo
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 27, 2014, 21:39
Giovanni Di Maria born 96 - epo

Luca Cingi born 91 -epo
Interesting.

http://www.rxlist.com/aranesp-drug.htm (http://www.rxlist.com/aranesp-drug.htm)
Quote
Aranesp (darbepoetin alfa) is an erythropoiesis-stimulating protein that is produced in Chinese hamster ovary (CHO) cells  :o by recombinant DNA technology.
And people are cool with injecting that into themselves so that they can ride a bike faster.  :cool  :S

http://www.aranesp.com (http://www.aranesp.com)
Quote
Aranesp® is used to treat a lower than normal number of red blood cells (anemia) caused by chronic kidney disease in patients on dialysis and not on dialysis.
Aranesp® is used to treat a lower than normal number of red blood cells (anemia) caused by chemotherapy that will be used for at least two months after starting Aranesp®.

And some possible pleasant side effects included all at no extra charge!  :shh
(Too many to list. Just follow the link.)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 27, 2014, 22:08
 :o

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/504732872444375040 (https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/504732872444375040)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwEr34JCIAAtn93.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on September 03, 2014, 14:13
So apparently Wiggins has a foundation set up to comeback poverty among children in *uk and there is a lot of anger about how some of that money has been channeled through to Wiggle-Honda. To be fair that could be PR, so I think whoever is upset have a pretty weak case.

http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/article4996656.ece (Danish) although it would seem they have it from somewhere else, given EB's standards probably some newspaper deemed less than trustworthy, anyways what is on the cover of Bild today?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on September 03, 2014, 14:16
although it would seem they have it from somewhere else, given EB's standards probably some newspaper deemed less than trustworthy, anyways what is on the cover of Bild today?
They say that they have it from Cycling Weekly. I'd normally call CW trustworthy enough. It's not the Daily Mail, after all.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on September 03, 2014, 14:21
They say that they have it from Cycling Weekly. I'd normally call CW trustworthy enough. It's not the Daily Mail, after all.

such a BS article, I mean they could give half the money they take in and they could just call it PR costs, so can't be a case. As far as donating money if people donate to a charity which only claim to fame is Wiggins you have to think they like cycling, and all charities need to have PR done, why not sponsor a team instead of having telemarketers call people?

Shame on them for the poor headline chose though: 'Tour de France Winner Spends Charity Money on Women in Lycra' would get way more clicks for sure.  :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on September 03, 2014, 14:31
it has been deleted from CW's website, but currently its still in the cache (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Qp1iE4ozHqkJ:www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradley-wiggins-charity-under-scrutiny-133997+&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&lr=lang_de|lang_en&client=firefox-nightly)

Quote
Bradley Wiggins’ charity comes under scrutiny

Bradley Wiggins Foundation criticised as it is unclear where donations are being spent

Reporting by Trevor Ward

Sir Bradley Wiggins’s charitable foundation has come under fire for using public donations to fund its sponsorship of professional women’s cycling team Wiggle-Honda.

The Bradley Wiggins Foundation — launched in a blaze of publicity two years ago on the back of his Tour de France and Olympic triumphs — has also been criticised for late payment of invoices after its first event, the ‘Ride With Brad’ sportive, held in Lancashire in August 2012, failed to sell out.

Meanwhile, supporters who contributed thousands of pounds to the Foundation have been left in the dark about how their money is being spent, while other potential donors have had emails and letters ignored.

When contacted by Cycling Weekly, a spokesman for Wiggins said: “Both the Foundation and Brad personally have made payments to Wiggle-Honda in the last two years, and there have also been other payments to various other young cyclists by the Foundation.”

He declined to comment further regarding the amounts involved or other claims about the Foundation, which is a registered charity.

None of the payments to Wiggle-Honda Women’s Pro-Cycling Team is recorded under the Foundation’s activities at the website of the Charity Commission, which regulates the work of charities in England and Wales. The Foundation’s first set of accounts is not due to be published until February 2015.

“The Foundation’s stated aims were to help underprivileged kids, not professional athletes, so is this really something it should be doing?” asked one supporter, a Manchester music promoter who asked not to be named.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on September 03, 2014, 17:02
. . .

Shame on them for the poor headline chose though: 'Tour de France Winner Spends Charity Money on Women in Lycra' would get way more clicks for sure.  :D

Unfortunately, I can not in print reproduce the proper tone, but a dear friend once taught me the following phrase:

"YES! It Would!!"

:lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 10, 2014, 19:04
https://twitter.com/ProCyclingStats/status/509761307995021313

so Eddie Dunbar wins ?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: DB-Coop on September 11, 2014, 07:37
Has it been mentioned that Valentin Iglinskiy apparently tested positive during Eneco? and that he has been fired, Valentin has admitted doping as well apparently.

http://www.feltet.dk/nyheder/fyreseddel_til_iglinskiy/ (Danish)

Edit: It has it's own thread I see, not marked "new" to me either, move along I suppose...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 12, 2014, 11:28
Fits best here I guess, not really but ....

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/510373552793870336
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: M Gee on September 13, 2014, 17:38
Another EPO positive - Rabottini:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/09/news/italian-rabottini-suspended-epo-positive_345651

That makes quite a rash of "catches" this year. Anyone hazard a guess as to why we are seeing these?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 16, 2014, 11:13
https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/511817265638289408
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on September 19, 2014, 18:32
From Festina dopes to Fiesta hopes?

Bruno Roussel, DS of RMO and subsequently Festina during That Tour, has announced that he is returning to team management after a herniated hiatus of 15 years.

The former infamous jailbird says he touted his CV to various national authorities and has been recruited to helm the Mexican junior and U23 squads.

Roussel, who will be making his début in Ponferrada next week, can already claim to be up to speed with one current trend in world cycling: he was only offered a one-year contract.

http://www.ouest-france.fr/node/2833627 (FR)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on September 24, 2014, 20:28
https://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/radsport-jaksche-doping-teil-systems-132035799.html

Jaksche says nothing has changed, compares cyclists to hookers no one cares about, the "pimps" are still the same as ever before.

(the full interview has not been published yet as far as I can see)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Havetts on September 24, 2014, 20:33
https://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/radsport-jaksche-doping-teil-systems-132035799.html

Jaksche says nothing has changed, compares cyclists to hookers no one cares about, the "pimps" are still the same as ever before.

(the full interview has not been published yet as far as I can see)

Strong and hard words by Jaksche. Its probably true, despite all the screaming about how cycling's  "culture" has changed.. The system keeps itself in place, the "pimps" deny all involvement after their "prostitutes" have been caught.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 29, 2014, 19:46
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/516658131695595520
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on September 29, 2014, 19:53
https://twitter.com/OlympicStatman/status/516660851139674113


GT
 Moscow laboratory first in the world to learn to find peptides in drug trials

Tags Nicholas Dopes  RusADA  doping

The former head of the Russian Anti-Doping Service Professor Nikolay Dopes told that the Moscow anti-doping laboratory, managed the first in the world to detect peptides in doping sample, more than one year working in this direction.

In September, the commission RUSADA not participate in training camp and competition seven Russian athletes in doping sample one of which was found hexarelin - a drug from the group of peptides. Never before doping services could not "catch" athletes on the use of peptides, which are considered very effective doping.

"Our Russian anti-doping laboratory has been leading this work in the field of peptides with the Cologne laboratory. They are large in this area docks. But I would not say now that the fight against doping after this incident occurred some new era. Similar developments are carried out over the years.

A few years ago it became clear that sooner or later the drugs will be caught. But first I have not heard that someone in the sample were detected peptides, because until recently it was believed that to catch them is in principle impossible. Catching them could only by circumstantial evidence "- quoted Durmanova ITAR-TASS.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on October 09, 2014, 11:28
https://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/radsport-jaksche-doping-teil-systems-132035799.html

Jaksche says nothing has changed, compares cyclists to hookers no one cares about, the "pimps" are still the same as ever before.

(the full interview has not been published yet as far as I can see)

the full interview is online now

its interesting, it basically is a feature about Rick Zabel, but his management has not allowed them to publish all answers that were related to doping and to his father, so only 1/3 of the initial interview was left - therefor they just called Jaksche instead and published an article about Rihs and the Phonak-BMC connection :P

http://www.brandeins.de/archiv/2014/vertrauen/rick-zabel-radsport-vertrauen-unterm-rad.html

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on October 09, 2014, 11:39
Interesting choice of a headline by the way, "Unterm Rad" (or "Beneath the Wheel" in English) is a novel by Hermann Hesse, criticizing education being too much performance oriented
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 21, 2014, 09:42
Crankpunk, has a say re Thor and his Armstrong comments,  http://crankpunk.com/2014/10/21/4682/

The whole Armstrong focus is really doing my head in , well more everyday

Thor says

32 people say you should have told the world about the devil


world goes quiet

people need to be anti doping or not already, the whole anti-LA fanboys are doing my head in, same way the LA fanboys used too

Ps why hasn't someone asked Thor what other riders he knew were doping and said nothing?

/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 22, 2014, 07:13
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/10/news/armstrong-former-usps-riders-reunite-weekend-gran-fondo-hincapie_349986

Ho Hum
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on October 22, 2014, 11:07
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/10/news/armstrong-former-usps-riders-reunite-weekend-gran-fondo-hincapie_349986

Ho Hum

A nice ethical conundrum, both sides of which I can appreciate. Or is it?

For me, this is all about good old American chumminess. Europeans would be more subtle about these things generally. We didn't have a full article about that French end-of-season annual football game. Clearly, VN made a lot of phone calls to generate this one.

Alex Howes though ...

Quote
I don’t know. I feel like I’m playing kind of the ignorance card when I say I don’t really think about it. But I really don’t. Like those guys, guys like Vande Velde and Hincapie and Zabriskie and that Lance guy

"that Lance guy"?  :lol

It's for charity, folks. It's for charity. Just tell yourself that. Charity. All publicity is good, even that generated by a lot of old dopers.

It'll be a nice day out, riding with enough cycling royalty to fill a sharps container.

It's for charity. It's for charity. It's for charity.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on October 23, 2014, 18:38
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/10/news/usa-cycling-wada-code-armstrong-ride-hincapie-fondo_350330

And we have the pronouncement... Armstrong can't ride.

If he does... he'll be...

Hang on... how do you punish someone who is already banned for life?!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on October 23, 2014, 21:15
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/10/news/usa-cycling-wada-code-armstrong-ride-hincapie-fondo_350330

And we have the pronouncement... Armstrong can't ride.

If he does... he'll be...

Hang on... how do you punish someone who is already banned for life?!

Ban them in the next life too. Buddhists HATE it when you do that.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on October 23, 2014, 22:10
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/10/news/usa-cycling-wada-code-armstrong-ride-hincapie-fondo_350330

And we have the pronouncement... Armstrong can't ride.

If he does... he'll be...

Hang on... how do you punish someone who is already banned for life?!
Make him write lines?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on October 27, 2014, 09:26
By way of illustration that even those we trust re: doping matters sometimes get other people's sh*t all over them.

Ross Tucker/@ScienceofSport, who - to my mind - provides the best and most objective analysis of cycling performances amidst the babble of climbing times and VO2max etc. etc., wrote this column in the Times today.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B08M7BHCIAA9M1k.jpg)

If that's not big enough, try:

https://twitter.com/ergospt/status/526653891900088320
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on October 29, 2014, 19:02
Péraud talks Dark Side ... some of his views seem clear enough ;)

Translation of extracts from an interview from October 23rd in Le Monde:

Jean-Christophe Péraud : « If you stop Astana, that's 30 more guys unemployed »

Is Nibali on a level above everyone?

Not everyone. Above me, yes. Froome and Contador were out with crashes, Quintana wasn't racing. Perhaps they would have rivalled him. I couldn't.

So what will you be able to do in the 2015 Tour?

In theory, I won't improve. If they got worse and I stayed at my level, then why not? But there isn't much chance of that. Technically or on how we run the race perhaps, but physically I can't do any better. I'm 37 years old.

Do you think there could be suspicions about you after the Tour?

In my case, no. As for the world of cycling, after what it's been through since 1998, I get it and it saddens me. But there has been some progress since. There's the longitudinal profiling, anti-doping controls and a lot of things have been put in place in cycling so that it gets better, and I think that's paying off. There's also a new generation of riders who started out around the time of Festina and who came up through the clubs with the understanding that doping is cheating. I wouldn't say that cycling is spotless but when I ask myself the question, I reckon 85% of the peloton is clean. I could be wrong, and there are still certainly cheaters, we've seen that with the Iglinskiys at Astana, but there are means to seek out and catch the cheats.

Have you ever had suspicions?

Sure. And I still do. A friend was at the Roc d'Azur event. He was eating behind some guys who were going to ride it and who were saying: "Péraud couldn't pull that off himself. He switched to the road so he could dope." Suspicion is easy. I used to think that myself when I was twenty and riding MTB. I was at my level, finishing 20th, not giving myself every means to succeed in terms of training, and I'd just say: "it can't be done, they're all dopers." It's easy just to say that everyone's cheating.

During the Tour, Nibali kept saying: "it's all in the past". And then a few weeks later, three positives hit his team. Is there a problem with Astana?

Hard to say and I wouldn't want to throw stones at Astana. We at AG2R-La Mondiale, we're hardly in the position to pass comment, we've had two positives in a year, pretty much, so I can hardly point the finger at Astana. With the Iglinskiys, it's two brothers and they used the same product, you could say it's almost the same case, it certainly doesn't look like organised doping. But I don't know what goes on in the Astana team. Do they have measures in their recruitment to avoid risky individuals?

Does it prejudice the credibility of anti-doping that former doped riders, like Vinokourov at Astana, remain at the head of teams

It isn't good for the image. For sure Vino has some history and that gives his team a bad image. But it's his country's team, it's difficult to get rid of him. And I think that cycling, given the situation it's in, can't afford to get rid of a team. We're seeing teams fold one after another. If you stop Astana, that's 30 more guys unemployed.

Do you believe in Nibali?

I'll believe in him for the future of our sport. If we're still going to find cheats winning the Tour, the sport can't go on much longer like that. The Tour may well be a great publicity tool for the image of France but eventually the sport will suffer. But I want to trust him.

So you won't win the Tour de France by default ten years from now?

I hope not for the sake of cycling. For me, that wouldn't change anything in my life, but it would change a lot for the sport.

Do you have the same confidence in Froome and Contador

I don't want to answer that. I don't want to talk about individuals. I don't want to turn anyone against me.

You no longer have a right to win when you're a cyclist?

Yes, of course. As soon as you ride a bike, you're suspect. So we count on journalists to relay the message that cycling is a sport like other sports. We're victims of the past.

How do you end the equation cyclist = doped?

It takes time. If during thirty years there aren't any more positives, perhaps then we'll be able to stop asking questions about cycling.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on October 30, 2014, 01:56
Thirty years sounds about right.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 30, 2014, 02:15
Do you have the same confidence in Froome and Contador

I don't want to answer that. I don't want to talk about individuals. I don't want to turn anyone against me.

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on October 30, 2014, 09:04
Hmmm...

And yet he was happy to talk about Nibali.

And Vino.

And the Iglinskys.

Hmmm indeed...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on October 30, 2014, 10:43
Aye I did a ummm what you mentioned others
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 04, 2014, 08:19
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/57237/hill-on-the-rise-after-suspension-setback

he gets 2 years, but others get 6 months, odd world sometimes,  but seems not too bitter, wish him luck
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 04, 2014, 10:18
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/57237/hill-on-the-rise-after-suspension-setback

he gets 2 years, but others get 6 months, odd world sometimes,  but seems not too bitter, wish him luck

Now that is the kind of Dark Side story I like to read. Hill must be pretty peeed at his teammate though, who probably only 'fessed up to Hill about the product because Hill got selected for testing. What on earth are these people doing carrying around junk uppers like that?

Legal highs

When I was following the Tour of the Gila this year - something I didn't do deliberately, they just happened to be racing on the same road I was driving - the road was littered with these empty capsules. I saw plenty of them because I was forced to drive at a snail's pace for an hour or so.

Most of them were recognisable caffeine boosters but I guess I am too much of a body-as-temple kind of guy not to find that surprising and unpleasant. The prevalence of road trash corresponded perfectly with the 20km-to-go banner: riders clearly wanted a boost going into the last bit of the race, so right on cue they drop this highly refined, totally synthetic crap for a quick hit. And there's me, thinking even the all-natural gels I use are a bit too processed. :P
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 04, 2014, 14:01
http://www.theouterline.com/the-dog-ate-my-homework/

 Haven't read this, too many numbers to speed read
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 06, 2014, 08:20
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=11825652

Ok this is from the MLB A-Rod case, and something I can not remember hearing before,  when taking a pee sample a person should use mid-stream not the start or beginning to lessen the likelihood if testing positive.

Is that true? Anyone heard that one?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 06, 2014, 08:51
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=11825652

Ok this is from the MLB A-Rod case, and something I can not remember hearing before,  when taking a pee sample a person should use mid-stream not the start or beginning to lessen the likelihood if testing positive.

Is that true? Anyone heard that one?

I haven't heard of that and I fail to see what difference it would make. It's not like the particles are big enough to accumulate in the bottom of one's bladder and thereby excrete first.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 06, 2014, 08:55
Agree makes little sense, but makes you think.......

This in combo with the wife having do some tests re pregnancy stuff made me think

she had to give a urine sample 1st pee to get best results.

most pro have a wake up call 6-7 for anti doping tests, I wonder if this increases the likelihood of postive being the 1st pee?

Micro dose, lots of water, you would also need to pee to get it out right?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 06, 2014, 09:01
Agree makes little sense, but makes you think.......

This in combo with the wife having do some tests re pregnancy stuff made me think

she had to give a urine sample 1st pee to get best results.

most pro have a wake up call 6-7 for anti doping tests, I wonder if this increases the likelihood of postive being the 1st pee?

Micro dose, lots of water, you would also need to pee to get it out right?

The article you mentioned is talking about during the urination rather than which urination though, isn't it?

Otherwise yes, I would agree with that. It seems obvious enough that the first urination of the day will probably contain more of the offening particles. The bit I couldn't buy was whether the first part of the urination was more concentrated.

But the only real loser in all of this is me. This discussion has entirely ruined my breakfast appetite.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 06, 2014, 09:13
The article you mentioned is talking about during the urination rather than which urination though, isn't it?

Otherwise yes, I would agree with that. It seems obvious enough that the first urination of the day will probably contain more of the offening particles. The bit I couldn't buy was whether the first part of the urination was more concentrated.

But the only real loser in all of this is me. This discussion has entirely ruined my breakfast appetite.
Sorry Laz  :angel

yes 1 was mid pee, my thoughts were 1st pee of the day.

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on November 06, 2014, 10:06
First Pee (or FMU = First Morning Urination) is actually quite common in some tests.  Pregnancy tests are a good example - they are much more likely to test posative (if you are posative that is) using FMU ...

Mid-Stream is also common in some testing.  I remember quite a few tests (though not what for off the top of my head) that required mid-stream urine only.   It can be a bit tricky for women   :-x
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 06, 2014, 10:38
But the only real loser in all of this is me. This discussion has entirely ruined my breakfast appetite.
Yep, mine too.
Why are we even discussing stuff like this? :fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on November 06, 2014, 10:42
lol - my other forum the "trying to conceive" is well and truly enough to put anyone off their food.

they want to post pics that ... well ... just no one wants to see  :lol

discussing peeing in a cup is pretty tame
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 06, 2014, 10:57
lol - my other forum the "trying to conceive" is well and truly enough to put anyone off their food.

they want to post pics that ... well ... just no one wants to see  :lol

discussing peeing in a cup is pretty tame

Pics of trying to conceive? Goodness me ... I would ask you to tell us more but of course it's off-topic. ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on November 06, 2014, 11:01
 :lol  pics of trying to conceive sounds all fun ...  :lol


till you realise that its about fertility, and womens cycles and all kinds of fluids that really shouldnt have pics posted in public  :fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 06, 2014, 11:03
:lol  pics of trying to conceive sounds all fun ...  :lol


till you realise that its about fertility, and womens cycles and all kinds of fluids that really shouldnt have pics posted in public  :fp

Mmmmm ... fluids ... all kinds of them ... ;)

... And somewhere, in the cold, clear air of northern Europe, the faint but nevertheless audible sound of Fus dry-retching.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on November 06, 2014, 11:17

... And somewhere, in the cold, clear air of northern Europe, the faint but nevertheless audible sound of Fus dry-retching.

.... and my work is done  :P
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 06, 2014, 11:28
... And somewhere, in the cold, clear air of northern Europe, the faint but nevertheless audible sound of Fus dry-retching.
Delicate I may be, but not that delicate. :P
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on November 06, 2014, 12:10
I could take that as a challenge  :lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 08, 2014, 09:04
Andrew Schleck tells CyclingTips:

Quote
For me, I am proud of the results I did, but I am more proud of the fair play ... I don’t include doping in there because I was always clean during my whole career.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/11/schleck-i-will-stay-involved-in-cycling-i-love-it-too-much-to-let-it-go/

This is a small but significant statement. With the spotlight on him as a future GT winner Schleck, A has always been somewhat equivocal with regard to doping but, now that his career is over and he presumably considers himself safe from scrutiny, he has boldly proclaimed his credentials as a clean cyclist.

The sporting narrative had established him as a golden boy, a palatable face who spoke good English, and despite a couple of dubious career moves and a pee-up with O'Grady, he seemed to possess the status of untouchable royalty.

Nevertheless, it seems improbable that he could have been clean when one considers his results, the people around him, the sport's reputation and the competition he faced while recording his best performances.

That said, much of his senior career ran parallel with the bio-passport scheme and, unlike his older brother, he has evaded all suspicions based on qualitative evidence. Will it be said now that he was protected or lucky-cautious or cycling's unfulfilled great white legend?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 08, 2014, 10:08
The Leipheimer Smack Down: 19 year old “disappointed” with former hero (http://crankpunk.com/2014/11/07/the-leipheimer-smack-down-19-year-old-disappointed-with-former-hero/)

In which a frank exchange of views on Levi Leipheimer still tearing it up at informal local races, the gist of which equates to whether or not you think old dopers should disappear quietly.

On the one hand, there are those with a tissue boxful of admiration for the massive-headed Montanian who argue that Leipheimer brings much needed publicity to such events and the fact that he wins shows that his is clearly a grand talent sine qua non.

On the other, the self-confessed doper, who definitely cheated at Postal and Discovery and probably Astana but definitely no way not at RadioShack, took the prize money and gave a very public demonstration of morality that many fear was too nuanced for the average American mind.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on November 08, 2014, 11:02
its an interesting point.

While they are doing it, they all say 'leave us alone, we dont want to talk about it' ... but the minute it comes out, they all want to talk about it and justify themselves  :fp
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 08, 2014, 11:32
its an interesting point.

While they are doing it, they all say 'leave us alone, we dont want to talk about it' ... but the minute it comes out, they all want to talk about it and justify themselves  :fp

Actually it's not what he's saying, it's what he's doing. Going out and winning these local races. A lot of folks don't like it.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on November 08, 2014, 11:37
cmon Larri - he's clean now.   He is winning them on talent alone     :angel   

he just turns up to these events to support his mates and spread the word about how the choices he made were bad and nobody should do that ;)

Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 10, 2014, 09:26
 A bit similar to Laz comments above, http://crankpunk.com/2014/11/10/matt-cooke-interview-you-would-never-know-their-names-if-they-had-never-taken-drugs/

http://www.procyclingstats.com/team/navigators_Insurance_Cycling_Team_2007

some really interesting names there, and think Matt will have spoken to these guys after, so Laz mate whike maybe a charger not sure they got together that much, so name I would not expect to see

Quote from: Matt Cooke
Of course I’ve never taken PED’s but I was told a few years after leaving Navigators by someone who was a teammate at the time “Oh you didn’t know? We were all using.”

He was exaggerating, not everyone on that team was using PEDs but many were and it blew my mind when he told me. So then I think back and remember instances in specific races where guys would make a big move in a race and I was cross eyed from trying to go with them. Or two guys I later found were juiced up racing each other for seconds in a TT and other blowing the field away. Stuff like that gets you mad because you know you could have done super well in a certain race had you not been going up against a guy who was geared up.

After Nav’s broke up at the end of 2007 guys went everywhere and the ones who were the big users kept using and kept at it on their new teams for several years after that. Those names I can’t not say right now because I don’t have photos or taped conversations but I do know it happened and authorities are being notified.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 10, 2014, 11:44
A bit similar to Laz comments above, http://crankpunk.com/2014/11/10/matt-cooke-interview-you-would-never-know-their-names-if-they-had-never-taken-drugs/

Please do not use that horrible font. It renders the quote illegible.

Admirable stuff from Cooke. But I strongly disagree with this:

Quote from: Matt Cooke
Fans do not like to have the curtain pulled back. They want to keep cheering for their favorite rider and not really think about what he did.

I think he makes an interesting point about rationalising and relativising doping, to the extent that people will eventually consider Cooke shrill and jealous just because he calls people out.

I think it is easy to rationalise and relativise because otherwise we have no pro sport left to follow. We have to let dopers slide because so many of them are still there, for better or worse, clean or dirty.

I will not deny, however, that whenever an individual I know to be a filthy POS wins, I get the cycling fan's equivalent of brewer's droop.

When Valverde wins, it was a sh*t race. Period. Call me a flipping hypocrite if you like, since there will be others who are also dirty but the fact remains unconfirmed, but that is the feeling I get and I won't apologise for it. It is a sh*t race when Valverde wins and it will continue to be the case for me until that sh*theel quits the sport. Meanwhile there is still a long queue of others about whom I feel the same.

So you can pull the curtain back, because otherwise cycling is a minefield and you cannot really be a truly happy fan of this sport if you have any sort of conscience and life experience and love for humanity. You can ignore it, you can just watch it and enjoy it, like we tell each other to do, but you know in your flipping soul - if you've got one - that it is bullsh*t and you are ever so right to question after every race why you bother.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 10, 2014, 16:25
Not sure we've had this one already:
http://pedalmag.com/doping-case-at-gp-cycliste-de-saguenay-italian-cyclist-tests-positive-for-epo/ (http://pedalmag.com/doping-case-at-gp-cycliste-de-saguenay-italian-cyclist-tests-positive-for-epo/)

#amore Luca Benedetti positive for EPO (darbopoietin) at the GP de Saguenay.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 10, 2014, 16:29
Not sure we've had this one already:
http://pedalmag.com/doping-case-at-gp-cycliste-de-saguenay-italian-cyclist-tests-positive-for-epo/ (http://pedalmag.com/doping-case-at-gp-cycliste-de-saguenay-italian-cyclist-tests-positive-for-epo/)

#amore Luca Benedetti positive for EPO (darbopoietin) at the GP de Saguenay.

It was one of those that sneaked into the UCI's document. Word is that it had been on the list for a while but I had not noticed it before last weekend.

It's remarkable that he was even using Darb (aka Aranesp or NESP). Unlike the usual rEPO, there are far more risky side effects associated with this stuff and iirc it has a longer half-life. He is the first rider to ping for Darb since 2003 (http://www.dopeology.org/products/Darbepoetin-%28NESP%29/), which was also around the time it fell out of favour.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on November 10, 2014, 18:29
It was one of those that sneaked into the UCI's document. Word is that it had been on the list for a while but I had not noticed it before last weekend.

According to CQ, his contract finished on 10/09 (by which I think they mean 10th Sept, but it might be 9th Oct); he hasn't ridden since 27th July, and has not been mentioned on the team's website news page since a couple of days earlier.  No announcement of his departure on http://team-amoreevita.com, so it looks like they knew about it some time ago.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 11, 2014, 12:02
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/532124077096706048
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 11, 2014, 14:45
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/532124077096706048

Just a quick note: please take this 'news' with a certain amount of caution. It is in fact published notice of a corrigendum for an article originally published by Reuters in 2010.

The reason for this corrigendum is the outcome of a judicial decision but it does not specify when this decision was taken or who prompted it, only that the article has to be altered as a result.

The item explains that the original 2010 article's fourth paragraph stated that Sainz had been found guilty of possession of illegal substances (among other offences) and the judicial decision now states that Sainz was found guilty of the supply of illegal substances.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on November 12, 2014, 13:34
some information about the proposed new German anti doping law...

http://www.dw.de/new-german-anti-doping-law-revealed/a-18057498

...and Degenkolb's opinion on it (in German):

http://www.hr-online.de/website/rubriken/sport/index.jsp?rubrik=6068&key=standard_document_53533069
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on November 13, 2014, 18:12
some riders noone ever heard about were added to the lists of provisionally suspended (http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/72/78/20141113ProvisionalSuspensionEN2.0_English.pdf) and suspended (http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/67/91/20141113SanctionsADRVEN2.0_English.pdf) riders on the UCI website.

Most remarkable is probably, that this guy busted for anabolic steroids

ROMERO ORDONEZ Fernando Mauricio

is 17 years old only
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 13, 2014, 19:17
and one of #androni

which explains why the silver fox went the visa route on appeal
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on November 13, 2014, 19:20
nah, Inner Ring mixed that up, Facchini was suspended by Androni back in June
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 17, 2014, 14:15
Marco Prezzi, a veteran amateur rider, competes in a local 5km TT and tests positive for ... Cocaine, Mesterolone, EPO and Furosemide.  :o :S

http://blog.cyclingpro.it/2014/11/17/amatori-italiani-stradoparsi-epo-coca-etc-per-una-corsa-di-paese-lunga-sei-minuti/ (IT)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on November 17, 2014, 14:30
Marco Prezzi, a veteran amateur rider, competes in a local 5km TT and tests positive for ... Cocaine, Mesterolone, EPO and Furosemide.  :o :S

http://blog.cyclingpro.it/2014/11/17/amatori-italiani-stradoparsi-epo-coca-etc-per-una-corsa-di-paese-lunga-sei-minuti/ (IT)

Wow - that is the ultimate combo. Stimulant, testosterone-derivative steroid, haemopoetic hormone and a diuretic to get rid of it all :lol

If there was ever a holy grail of doping, this is the elixir that would fill it!
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 17, 2014, 14:35
Wow - that is the ultimate combo. Stimulant, testosterone-derivative steroid, haemopoetic hormone and a diuretic to get rid of it all :lol

If there was ever a holy grail of doping, this is the elixir that would fill it!

It is also claimed that Furosemide slows down baldness. This veteran racer was 48 years old...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 17, 2014, 14:41
Wow - that is the ultimate combo. Stimulant, testosterone-derivative steroid, haemopoetic hormone and a diuretic to get rid of it all :lol

If there was ever a holy grail of doping, this is the elixir that would fill it!
There's an ironic saying in German, "Viel hilft viel" (much helps a lot). This is the very definition of it! He almost deserves a discount on the suspension just for the sheer bravado.[1]
 1. Of course, that discount would be on 4x4 years, so he'd only get 12-14 years instead of 16. ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on November 17, 2014, 14:43
There's an ironic saying in German, "Viel hilft viel" (much helps a lot). This is the very definition of it! He almost deserves a discount on the suspension just for the sheer bravado.[1]
 1. Of course, that discount would be on 4x4 years, so he'd only get 12-14 years instead of 16. ;)

And then, on his return in 12 years' time, the now-60 year old would get popped again. This time testing positive for sildenafil[2]
 2. Google it... unless you're at work, in which case Google it on your phone...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 17, 2014, 15:15
This appears to be our man at the start of the race (https://www.facebook.com/525572180896933/photos/pb.525572180896933.-2207520000.1416235461./615709341883216/?type=3&theater) in which he tested positive. Looks fit for a 48 year old.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on November 17, 2014, 17:34
This appears to be our man at the start of the race (https://www.facebook.com/525572180896933/photos/pb.525572180896933.-2207520000.1416235461./615709341883216/?type=3&theater) in which he tested positive. Looks fit for a 48 year old.
You realise he's the one holding the bike...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on November 25, 2014, 10:52
at this year's "Doha Goals", a forum for social and economic change in sports, there also was a short discussion about "The Crisis in Cycling", with Boyer, Kashechkin and Francesca Rossi

http://www.dohagoals.com/en/news/2014/11/a-case-study-the-crisis-in-cycling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVMvaVycbI8
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on November 25, 2014, 11:08
so Kashechkin is now an "advisor for the Minister of Industry and New Technologies for the Republic of Kazakhstan", interesting...

...that video, not so
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 25, 2014, 11:58
so Kashechkin is now an "advisor for the Minister of Industry and New Technologies for the Republic of Kazakhstan", interesting...

...that video, not so

That is interesting because when I looked at the official website of that Oil State Vanity Project Slash Offshore Tax Dodge serious cultural event, he was listed simply as a representative of his own organisation (http://www.dohagoals.com/en/program/participants#K), the imaginatively named Kashechkin Cycling Academy.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 25, 2014, 13:22
https://twitter.com/OlympicStatman/status/537232453128454144
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 25, 2014, 13:23
Ok who else thought Menchov

:lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 25, 2014, 13:34
Ok who else thought Menchov
Not me. But now you mention it ... :rofl:
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on November 28, 2014, 07:46
Interesting for the oddness of it.

real no where rider

http://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/dorval-pro-cyclist-william-goodfellow-issued-two-year-sanction-by-cces/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on November 28, 2014, 09:26
Interesting for the oddness of it.

real no where rider

http://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/dorval-pro-cyclist-william-goodfellow-issued-two-year-sanction-by-cces/

Trying to make himself a somewhere rider?  :P
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 01, 2014, 12:09
Dangerous obsession with size creates bigger need for answers
The reputation of a particular sport should not determine the level of suspicion, writes Paul Kimmage (http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/other-rugby/dangerous-obsession-with-size-creates-bigger-need-for-answers-30785080.html)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 01, 2014, 13:21
Dangerous obsession with size creates bigger need for answers
The reputation of a particular sport should not determine the level of suspicion, writes Paul Kimmage (http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/other-rugby/dangerous-obsession-with-size-creates-bigger-need-for-answers-30785080.html)

Kimmage for me has always been impressive in terms of tenacity but I find him a pedestrian writer. However this - "the writ hit the fan" - I found very droll and not a little unexpected! :lol

As for the story, funny that Bellocq's name should appear again, a dodgy doctor who was very active during Kimmage's own pro career. In any case, it does seem in rugby that the omerta is as locked in tight as a scrum, although there are plenty of other insights here.

Dietary supplements are also at issue, as far as I recall, in the AFL case that has its own thread (http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=1761.0) here.

There is precious little information about what's been found in them but certainly the results are striking. On the Kenyans, Kimmage uses the word 'steroids' and that piques my interest, especially after I have already loudly claimed elsewhere that one does not find anabolics in "contaminated" supplements.

That said, it does offer another illustration of what I was saying about the notion of "contamination" and how the semantics of that can be useful. When I mentioned it before, I was saying that the manufacturer was spiking the product to guarantee results and thereby improve sales, but the Kimmage article hints at the idea that suitably connected staff might do the spiking themselves, mixing gear with virgin product.

Even if WADA rules mean you will always be busted on a supplement positive, you can still claim ignorance in mitigation and that such ingredients were not listed on the packaging, thereby diminishing your sentence and, perhaps more importantly, retaining your reputation in the eyes of your paymasters.

Notwithstanding the risk of triggering a war with the maligned producer - which surprisingly didn't happen when Contador blamed the entire meat industry for his Clenbuterol ping - ignorance is not a valid defence in any of the legal and quasi-legal systems with which I am acquainted, but outcomes can certainly be swayed by it.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on December 02, 2014, 11:16
The Outer Line has said some stuff again:
A new approach to anti-doping (http://www.theouterline.com/changing-the-business-model-4-a-new-approach-to-anti-doping/)

Not sure if this has been posted already. And I haven't read it through (yet).
But for the sake of completeness, here it is. :)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 05, 2014, 17:36
Not sure we've had this one already:
http://pedalmag.com/doping-case-at-gp-cycliste-de-saguenay-italian-cyclist-tests-positive-for-epo/ (http://pedalmag.com/doping-case-at-gp-cycliste-de-saguenay-italian-cyclist-tests-positive-for-epo/)

#amore Luca Benedetti positive for EPO (darbopoietin) at the GP de Saguenay.

...aaaand he's gone. banned for life. Arrivederci :wave

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/67/91/20141205SanctionsADRVEN2.0_English.pdf
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 05, 2014, 17:39
and there's an addition to the list of provisionally suspended cyclist (http://uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/72/78/20141205ProvisionalSuspensionEN2.0_English.pdf) as well:

*fr #rainbow MASSOT Robert André

busted for anabolic steroids (at the age of 59) at the world championships he won (http://www.uci.ch/news/article/uci-world-cycling-tour-final-ends-with-new-faces-crowned/)

(http://www.ffc.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/MASSOT1.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 07, 2014, 15:06
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2863758/Rugby-s-drug-problem-exposed-RFU-boss-admits-realise-s-issue-addressing-it.html
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Race Radio on December 10, 2014, 15:52
http://usnew.net/reedie-told-afp-the-new-illicit-substances-encouraged-sports-cheats-2.html

Reedie talking about undetectable new drugs
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 10, 2014, 20:17
https://twitter.com/veloclinic/status/542771102661873664

Newly Identified Hormone Erythroferrone Provides Erythroblasts with Iron on Demand  (http://www.hematology.org/Thehematologist/Diffusion/3190.aspx)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 11, 2014, 17:07
https://twitter.com/pvdploeg/status/543088895555289089
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joelsim on December 11, 2014, 18:46
Cookson speaks

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-cookson-says-astana-are-drinking-in-the-last-chance-saloon
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 11, 2014, 20:20
It is, I know, unfashionable in the gene doping, biopass breaking, post-Sinkewitz Dark Side to talk about this, but ...

https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/543072975457890304

#cajarural Davide Viganó --> #idea Team Idea

... lantern jaw or what?

 :o
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: LukasCPH on December 11, 2014, 21:14
It is, I know, unfashionable in the gene doping, biopass breaking, post-Sinkewitz Dark Side to talk about this, but ...

... lantern jaw or what?

 :o
But, but ... he rode for #2012sky in 2010! He must be squeaky clean! :P


I'm going to be even more unfashionable - nihil nisi bonum and all that - and suggest having a look at Wouter Weylandt. :(
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 11, 2014, 21:20
But, but ... he rode for #2012sky in 2010! He must be squeaky clean! :P

same as Morris Possoni, linked to Ferrari in today's Gazzetta  :shh
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Mellow Velo on December 11, 2014, 22:21
same as Morris Possoni, linked to Ferrari in today's Gazzetta  :shh

This should cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth in certain circles.
The fact that Sky did not uncover this link, but the Padua investigation did.......
......on second thoughts I'll go with the lantern jaw theory.
They should pencil that into their ZTP. :P :lol
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 11, 2014, 22:35
This should cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth in certain circles.
The fact that Sky did not uncover this link, but the Padua investigation did.......
......on second thoughts I'll go with the lantern jaw theory.
They should pencil that into their ZTP. :P :lol

After a highly controversial career of massive success characterised by countless dope-fuelled victories, today Possoni is an unassuming Lampre mechanic.

It seems obvious to me that there can be just two reasons for that.

1. Hush money for Mantova

2. Complicity to insert small battery engines in the seatposts and BB shells
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 12, 2014, 10:06
from today's l'Equipe

(http://i.imgur.com/T9FBst7.png)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 12, 2014, 10:17
from today's l'Equipe

(http://i.imgur.com/T9FBst7.png)

new generation my ass
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Race Radio on December 13, 2014, 16:31
Matteo Rabottini B sample confirmed his A sample positive for EPO
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 13, 2014, 17:04
Matteo Rabottini B sample confirmed his A sample positive for EPO

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/13-12-2014/rabottini-anche-campione-b-conferma-positivita-100214964714.shtml

it was sent to the lab in Lausanne - but the results come from Cologne. How is that possible?!

There are still no information at all from CONI about the whole case by the way
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joelsim on December 14, 2014, 18:30
Rabbotini's B sample, as expected had traces of EPO. Yet his defence was based on his passport having no anomalies.

Not exactly foolproof is even a fool can get round the passport whilst taking Edgar.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 15, 2014, 12:03
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/13-12-2014/rabottini-anche-campione-b-conferma-positivita-100214964714.shtml

it was sent to the lab in Lausanne - but the results come from Cologne. How is that possible?!

There are still no information at all from CONI about the whole case by the way

B-sample tested elsewhere to guarantee impartiality?

As for CONI's silence, perhaps in the meantime Rabottini decided to talk...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 15, 2014, 12:37
yes, but this (http://ilcentro.gelocal.it/sport/2014/09/17/news/parla-rabottini-epo-io-sono-pulito-1.9951902) source said it would be tested in Lausanne, that's why I was wondering.

but maybe one of the sources is just wrong...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: lancasterke on December 15, 2014, 13:25
http://www.espn.co.uk/blogs/sport/story/378857.html



I reckon, cycling is still one of the top 10 dirtiest sports that follow the WADA code. only probably and only if you exclude the likes of NFL.
maybe i'm naive but i think a good portion of the peloton is clean (although didn't use to be) wheras there are lots of sports where doping is still in the majority.

there's zero chance seb coe is the answer to athletics problems, apart from anything else he's been a decision maker at the iaaf for years.

the number of WR that are held by athletes from countries that barely do any ooc testing makes me much more than sceptical of the author of that piece.

it's worth noting that the ben johnson run was at least as spectacular a moment of sport as bolt's 9.69, doesn't make it any less dirty
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 15, 2014, 13:41
As I just posted on twitter,

Bolt has more doping dots and dashes around him than at a morse code convenient.

His strength coach is dirtier than dirt
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joelsim on December 15, 2014, 14:09
Mo Farah just eats Quorn though. But not when he's in the Kenyan mountains.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: lancasterke on December 15, 2014, 14:27
Bolt and Radcliffe have records that are about 2.5% quicker than the best time by an athlete who hasn't got a doping conviction.
they both make me extremely suspicious
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 15, 2014, 17:19
Savio has introduced a new zero tolerance policy for his team, every rider offending the rules has to pay 100000 EUR + X

#androni press release:

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ANDRONI-VENEZUELA: THE NOTARY TO CONFIRM ZERO TOLERANCE!

At the end of the gathering of the collegial Androni - Venezuela, at the studio Legal and Notarial in Viareggio, in the presence of Notary Marco Marvaso, Att. Joseph Napoleon and the Team Manager Dr. Gianni Savio, athletes homonym team, as well as technical staff, have signed the Health Regulations internal and its appendix for season 2015. Present all runners Europeans: Italians - Pellizotti, Cat, Appollonio, Flag, Benfatto, Dall'Antonia, Nardin, Sella, Stortoni, Taliani, Zilioli and Zordan - Danish Ebsen and Romanian Ţvetcov. Venezuelans Galvis, Rodriguez, Godoy and Gimenez will travel to sign the document at a Notaria of Caracas, accompanied by the Assistant Technician Da Silva. The initiative, strongly supported by the management company, was created precisely in order to continue the policy of extreme rigor and the fight against doping, always implemented by the team in question. The Notary Marvaso, as a public official and the lawyer. Napoleon, Legal Team, have made it clear to all members of the state legislation and sports doping, specifying the content of the acts signed and authenticated by a notary. The Team Manager Dr. Savio has also stated that the guiding principle of the initiative is "zero tolerance". All of them have signed the documents, authenticated by the Notary Marvaso. The regulation provides for offenders a fine of € 100,000.00 (one hundred thousand / 00), in addition to compensation for further damages that may result to the team. Therefore, together with the already stringent and effective rules, the Team Androni-Venezuela it introduces and promotes another, albeit rank regulate, from which you can borrow the perspective in which the team will work in the coming seasons racing
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: lancasterke on December 15, 2014, 18:26
Savio has introduced a new zero tolerance policy for his team, every rider offending the rules has to pay 100000 EUR + X

#androni press release:

this sounds to me at first glance that it is a punitive contract term and does not attempt to reflect any damages. as such it would be close to, if not actually impossible to enforce under european law.

nice strong rhetoric though, but i think that's all it is.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 15, 2014, 18:34
I don't know, in that recent interview Galimzyanov said he owes Katusha ~300000 EUR or something like that because of his positive. But sure, Russia is a different story, no idea how the other European teams exactly handle that.

Cyclingtips meanwhile has also picked up Androni's press release by the way

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/androni-venezuela-team-riders-undertake-to-pay-large-fine-in-case-of-doping-positive/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 15, 2014, 21:10
I don't know, in that recent interview Galimzyanov said he owes Katusha ~300000 EUR or something like that because of his positive. But sure, Russia is a different story, no idea how the other European teams exactly handle that.

Cyclingtips meanwhile has also picked up Androni's press release by the way

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/androni-venezuela-team-riders-undertake-to-pay-large-fine-in-case-of-doping-positive/

Tough clause on minimum wage or less. ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 15, 2014, 21:15
indeed. Galimzyanov had to pay 70% of his annual salary if I remember correctly, which sounds more reasonable - problem was, that it was his first year off minimum wage, and he tested positive in February or so...

edit: I still believe that's the only reason why di Luca signed at Katusha for free by the way, 70% of 0 is still 0 :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 15, 2014, 21:20
indeed. Galimzyanov had to pay 70% of his annual salary if I remember correctly, which sounds more reasonable - problem was, that it was his first year off minimum wage, and he tested positive in February or so...

edit: I still believe that's the only reason why di Luca signed at Katusha for free by the way, 70% of 0 is still 0 :D

And for those with short memories:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/steegmans-katusha-dissolve-contract
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 16, 2014, 08:26
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/544767283915423745
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 16, 2014, 20:07
this is a weird story. If I understand that correctly, he said the package including the forbidden stuff was given to him by a former cyclist (Jose Maldonado) to deliver it to the manager of the Mexican (?) team, José Vicente Peidró.

Aguirre himself then continued to travel to Switzerland to continue what he was supposed to do: riding his bike.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on December 16, 2014, 21:22
When did they stop asking those inane questions at airports ...

... Did you pack your luggage yourself, Sir/Madam?

... Did anyone give you anything to take with you, Sir/Madam?

If asked these questions, then this guy lied.

Easily done. I lied some months ago. I had items that been given to me just before checking in and I just didn't think about it.

Even now, I still think that's why I got singled out by security that day. That and the fact that I was an unshaven lone male traveller with longer hair travelling to the meth capital of the US.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 16, 2014, 21:49
by the way this happened in April, and the Mexican Federation was notified by the UCI in October...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 16, 2014, 22:12
by the way this happened in April, and the Mexican Federation was notified by the UCI in October...
What am I missing here? How could his own federation have remained unaware, especially if he had been stopped by the police in Spain?

How was the UCI made aware of it, and how could such an event possibly go unnoticed by his own Nat Fed for so long?
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 16, 2014, 22:26
don't know, I only got that from a facebook post of another Mexican rider, who (to my understanding of it) mainly asks the question why the Mexican Federation has not made it public themself, although they were notified two months ago

https://twitter.com/LuisE_Lemus/status/544968788974649345

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"We must be objective and rely on the facts, nobody here was positive, but with possession, this happened in April, and the Union Cycliste Internationale - UCI sent a letter to the Mexican Federation of Cycling in October, then because the news is given released in December? For the federation did not make a statement before? if they want to avoid misunderstandings that leave things clear from the start and did not learn our other sources."
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 16, 2014, 22:33

"We must be objective and rely on the facts, nobody here was positive, but with possession..."

Is that the new mindset?  :S


So we're positive that they were PEDs, and positive that he was in possession of them.

As for the rest of it? No biggie. Carry on.   :shh
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 16, 2014, 22:45
As for the rest of it? No biggie. Carry on.   :shh

à propos...something I read on cn a couple of days ago, a "Cycling Canada Doping Consultation Report" (http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews.php?id=28643&title=cycling-canada-doping-consultation-report-key-findings)

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Earlier this year, Cycling Canada sent out a request for members of the cycling community to participate in a "consultation" on doping within cycling in Canada. The firm LLB Strategies was hired to undertake the project, which consisted of one-on-one anonymous and confidential interviews with participants.

[...]

64 people were contacted, consisting of athletes, coaches, sports administrators and cycling stakeholders - 21 athletes, 6 administrators, 2 team managers, and one each of a sports leader, coach and parent.

[...]

Interviewees believe that there is no organized doping culture or system in cycling in Canada and that any such activities are isolated instances by individuals.

Suppliers and influencers of doping are doctors, trainers, coaches, equipment suppliers, sports administrators and (in most cases) other cyclists.

[...]

Two interviewees independently provided information that a former Canadian sports administrator had assisted Canadian riders in obtaining PEDs.

well, if only two of them say that there is organized doping...nothing to be seen there I guess  :-x
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 16, 2014, 22:57
I read that as well. It seemed to me that the authors of that report were looking for public vending  machines.

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Insert credit card

Press B4 for Testosterone

Press E6 for HGH

Press F1 for EPO

Anything short of that would be considered "secret" and therefore not organized, or, more importantly, not systemic for the Canucks.

Or something like that.


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/20/article-2585171-1C70F6F900000578-550_634x475.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Joelsim on December 16, 2014, 23:15
I read that as well. It seemed to me that the authors of that report were looking for public vending  machines.

Anything short of that would be considered "secret" and therefore not organized, or, more importantly, not systemic for the Canucks.

Or something like that.


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/20/article-2585171-1C70F6F900000578-550_634x475.jpg)

You forgot C6 for Thyroid meds
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on December 17, 2014, 18:43
December 2014 Ricardo Ricco update: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ricco-describes-the-cycling-reform-commission-as-a-joke

STILL CRAZY

Dude nearly killed himself with dope and is mad that the Italian federation didn't reduce his ban after he cooperated with the reform commission. I completely agree with the Italian federation here, I think for Ricardo's own safety and health he should never be allowed to compete in professional sport again. The fact that he is talking about taking on some hill climb records is honestly quite worrying.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on December 17, 2014, 18:48
“I wouldn't make the same mistakes that I made. I wouldn't dope, or I'd at least do it differently.”

 :D :D
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on December 31, 2014, 08:06
Optum anti doping stance

http://www.theouterline.com/team-optum-a-model-for-the-future/
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: pastronef on January 02, 2015, 19:48
https://www.twitter.com/fredgrappe/status/551069866971901953


https://www.twitter.com/fredgrappe/status/551070736186880001


https://www.twitter.com/fredgrappe/status/551072396548259843
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 02, 2015, 20:07
https://www.twitter.com/fredgrappe/status/551069866971901953


https://www.twitter.com/fredgrappe/status/551070736186880001


https://www.twitter.com/fredgrappe/status/551072396548259843

Grappe provides evidence here for a contention that has existed almost as long as the bio-passport itself: the idea that blood values alone are insufficient as a measure of athlete performance.

For WADA, which seeks in an ideal world to be a one-stop solution for all sports and all countries, the bio-passport panacea was that it could be applicable to all endurance sports. However, critics felt that it would be better to target resources at developing and implementing a solution tailored closer to the characteristics of each individual sport. The "one size fits all" approach of blood profiling was considered insufficient by these critics.

Enter Grappe, who conducted research on a generation of sportspeople including FDJ's Thibaut Pinot, who was marked out as a talented individual and, if we are to believe the narrative, submitted to testing from as early as seventeen years old. Theses tests of Grappe et al included various parameters, and the researchers concluded that an athlete profile consisting of several threshold metrics (including power output) would give a better picture of a rider's performance authenticity than blood baseline alone.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 03, 2015, 10:04
Three years after receiving a two-year suspension, Ezequiel Mosquera has succeeded in his appeal to overturn the sanction. The Galician, who finished second behind Nibali in the 2010 Vuelta before testing positive for hydroxyethyl starch, will now have his podium spot reinstated. Now 39, Mosquera is not expected to make a comeback.

http://ciclismo.as.com/ciclismo/2015/01/02/mas_ciclismo/1420233665_711112.html (ES)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Race Radio on January 03, 2015, 15:03
While the study Grappe quotes is interesting it has little to do with most BioPassport cases.

Looking back at the BioPassport cases the UCI filed most of the available public information shows that they target spikes that are around a competition period Not during altitude training. Menchov, Pellizotti, JTL, Kruziger. All had spikes in, or around, a big competition. Not during, or around, altitude training. The passport form also has a box that a rider can check that indicates if they have recently been at altitude. 
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 03, 2015, 15:10
While the study Grappe quotes is interesting it has little to do with most BioPassport cases.

Looking back at the BioPassport cases the UCI filed most of the available public information shows that they target spikes that are around a competition period Not during altitude training. Menchov, Pellizotti, JTL, Kruziger. All had spikes in, or around, a big competition. Not during, or around, altitude training. The passport form also has a box that a rider can check that indicates if they have recently been at altitude.

Fair enough but how about that idea of a broader bio-passport consisting of more metrics? What do you reckon to that? Because that is, I think, Grappe's motivation for these tweets.

This is what some sports scientists have been saying for a while: they would like to see other data in there, including typical power thresholds on a per rider basis, in excess of which that rider's performance could also be considered suspect.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Race Radio on January 03, 2015, 15:21
Fair enough but how about that idea of a broader bio-passport consisting of more metrics? What do you reckon to that? Because that is, I think, Grappe's motivation for these tweets.

This is what some sports scientists have been saying for a while: they would like to see other data in there, including typical power thresholds on a per rider basis, in excess of which that rider's performance could also be considered suspect.

I 100% agree with this. Highroad used power along with their internal program and Garmin still uses it when engaging with new riders.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 03, 2015, 23:34
Now 39, Mosquera is not expected to make a comeback.
And somewhere, Chris Horner is saying, "Why not? What's the big deal?"  :P
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: AG on January 05, 2015, 09:20
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2014/12/31/cycling-in-the-epo-era-65-per-cent-dirty-and-probably-more-311201/

interesting artle with a good graphic

(http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Cycle-of-suspicion-JPEG.jpg)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 06, 2015, 10:26
Kortrijk's public prosecutor has decided to charge Patrick Lefevere, Tom Boonen, Stijn Devolder and five others historically linked to the QuickStep team with tax evasion.

The defendants, who have been under investigation for some years in this matter, had attempted to "hide revenues from the tax authorities using complex, fraudulent methods."

Boonen and several other riders had already legally settled certain other outstanding taxes in 2013, but this was understood to be unrelated to the present case.

A date for trial has yet to be announced.

http://www.demorgen.be/binnenland/boonen-en-lefevere-naar-rechter-voor-fraude-a2172348/ (NL)

http://www.lesoir.be/749915/article/sports/cyclisme/2015-01-06/tom-boonen-et-patrick-lefevere-renvoyes-devant-justice-pour-evasion-fiscale (FR)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: just some guy on January 07, 2015, 17:46
College football 21 year old had a heart attack

https://sports.vice.com/article/usc-football-team-doctor-admits-to-ignoring-fda-and-ncaa-painkiller-regulations
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Jamsque on January 07, 2015, 20:04
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In some cases, the use of Toradol was prophylactic—that is, given before games in anticipation of future pain, and not to treat current injuries—and accompanied by little or no physical examination of players.

flipping disgraceful. Just had a quick glance through ESPN's college football pages, no mention of this story anywhere. Fans and journalists continue to be in denial about the massive drug problem in the American college athletic system.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 14, 2015, 08:30
https://twitter.com/QuentinPacher/status/554921207884427264

Moto GP rider happy to show off his activities. Seems legit.

EDIT: pretty sure Moto GP is WADA-affiliated, so this is actually a banned practice. Tweet to self-delete in 3...2...
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on January 14, 2015, 13:49
this is awesome indeed

and yes, the MotoGP is very strict about this, one or two years ago Anthony West received a 30 day suspension for doping. I think he even had to miss one of the post season tests :o

if anyone is interested to read how serious they actually are, this interview with Ben Spies is quite a good read:

http://motomatters.com/interview/2012/09/11/ben_spies_on_doping_in_motorcycle_racing.html

and yes, tbh I can understand athletes to be annoyed to update their location in ADAMS every 24 hours, if they are not going to be tested anyway
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: L'arri on January 14, 2015, 14:05
this is awesome indeed

and yes, the MotoGP is very strict about this, one or two years ago Anthony West received a 30 day suspension for doping. I think he even had to miss one of the post season tests :o

if anyone is interested to read how serious they actually are, this interview with Ben Spies is quite a good read:

http://motomatters.com/interview/2012/09/11/ben_spies_on_doping_in_motorcycle_racing.html

and yes, tbh I can understand athletes to be annoyed to update their location in ADAMS every 24 hours, if they are not going to be tested anyway

I guess it's one of those sports in which people often don't think of PEDs as making enough difference to be relevant.

I made comments a while back on VR, with reference to Grappe's tweetage, about WADA's one-size-fits-all approach to anti-doping. Dr Search has unearthed another great example here of how the situation doesn't really suit the sport, in this case because it's probably too much supervision.
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: search on January 14, 2015, 14:13
Spies' "I don’t know for our stuff, but cycling, everybody knows that everybody does" comment is interesting in the light that he meanwhile retired from motorsports and is doing crit races in US nowadays by the way ;)
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Flo on January 14, 2015, 14:32
WTF?????????????????
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: cj2002 on January 14, 2015, 14:54
Picture is still there as of just now.

And the FIM (International Motorcycling Federation) is listed on the WADA website...

My money is on absolutely nothing happening....
Title: Re: Darkside - General news
Post by: Flo on January 14, 2015, 15:16
"PRP" is apparently allowed by WADA.....

This dude still earns the award for Retard of the Year though.. posting it on twi