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Title: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 07, 2012, 13:25
  Objective for Olympics and TDF

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/video-sky-lays-down-objectives-ahead-of-tour-de-france-and-olympic-games (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/video-sky-lays-down-objectives-ahead-of-tour-de-france-and-olympic-games)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dr. Horrible the Mad Elephant Man on March 07, 2012, 13:59
Well being night time the sky is rather dark.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on March 12, 2012, 12:39
I first thought this thread was about Sky as in Rupert Murdoch,  dollybird news/weather presenters and watching rubbish movies or whatever. :fp   



Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2012, 08:03
(http://news.velonation.com/Men/Road/Wa_Wl/2012/original/Wiggins_Bradley_Sky12-1.jpg)

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11353/Bradley-Wiggins-Its-more-realistic-that-I-can-win-the-Tour-now.aspx (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11353/Bradley-Wiggins-Its-more-realistic-that-I-can-win-the-Tour-now.aspx)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/mar/12/paris-nice-tour-de-france-bradley-wiggins (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/mar/12/paris-nice-tour-de-france-bradley-wiggins)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2012, 08:10
(http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/resize/file/3671_wiggins-640-getty.jpg/id/128121/w/640/h/360)

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/matthew-keenan/blog/125799/can-wiggins-win-the-tour (http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/matthew-keenan/blog/125799/can-wiggins-win-the-tour)

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My Sky nine for the Tour
Bradley Wiggins, Mark Cavendish, Christopher Froome, Edvald Boassan Hagen, Christian Knees, Danny Pate, Richie Porte, Kanstantsin Siutsou and Rigoberto Uran.

Keenan you are wrong re the team there is no way Eisel does not ride if healthy no way in hell.

So called Journalist I guess you can have an opinion - but Wiggins Cav Froome and Bernie will be the 1st picked   
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2012, 10:05
(http://cdn3.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2012/01/28/1/_mjf7820_600.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-hits-pedestrian-in-italian-training-accident (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-hits-pedestrian-in-italian-training-accident)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on March 13, 2012, 15:36
(http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/resize/file/3671_wiggins-640-getty.jpg/id/128121/w/640/h/360)

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/matthew-keenan/blog/125799/can-wiggins-win-the-tour (http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/matthew-keenan/blog/125799/can-wiggins-win-the-tour)

Keenan you are wrong re the team there is no way Eisel does not ride if healthy no way in hell.

So called Journalist I guess you can have an opinion - but Wiggins Cav Froome and Bernie will be the 1st picked

It sucks putting your head on the line and having an opinion doesn't it? :D

It's only pure speculation at this stage and I think he has the composition right, 4 for sprints, 5 for GC.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Amsterhammer on March 13, 2012, 15:46
Can we expect 'news' topics for every other team as well, or does Sky enjoy a special status here?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2012, 15:48
Can we expect 'news' topics for every other team as well, or does Sky enjoy a special status here?

there already is rabo thread maybe you should update it

I also update the BMC drama thread as well

Amster - don´t complain do
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Amsterhammer on March 13, 2012, 16:06
there already is rabo thread maybe you should update it

I also update the BMC drama thread as well

Amster - don´t complain do

It was a question. Besides, you're the "do" guy around here by the look of it. Unless you're just another Sky fanboy. :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2012, 18:52
It was a question. Besides, you're the "do" guy around here by the look of it. Unless you're just another Sky fanboy. :P

quite the opposite in fact saw you opened a VASC thread look forward to being kept updated
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on March 13, 2012, 20:21
Its better than my Albert Timmer thread  :( especially now he is broken.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on March 14, 2012, 16:50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/geraintthomas/2012/03/leaving_team_sky_behind.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/geraintthomas/2012/03/leaving_team_sky_behind.html)
Completely vague by Geraint.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 14, 2012, 17:28
my play on words re the title has been changed  O0
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on March 14, 2012, 17:29
 :)
Was nice, except they're right thundermuppets are sky news.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 17, 2012, 07:17
Any ideas on what Nordhaug is up to atm?  Having had a good start to the season, he's not been selected for either Paris-Nice or Catalunya (according to the start list), which seems a bit odd to me as he would be a pretty good domestique going uphill for Wiggins...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Zam on March 17, 2012, 08:09
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/16032012/58/tour-de-france-cavendish-sacrifice-tour-olympics.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/16032012/58/tour-de-france-cavendish-sacrifice-tour-olympics.html)

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Mark Cavendish could quit the Tour de France early to focus on the Olympic cycling road race, the world champion's coach said.


Cavendish, who won the green jersey for the points classification last year and at 26 already has 20 Tour stage wins to his name, would not enter the race with the goal of defending the shirt.
"Mark has said he wants to finish the Tour, but if he knows he can win the Olympics he will take the final week day by day," coach Rod Ellingworth, who is also Britain's Olympic road-race team manager, told The Guardian online.
"If the green jersey comes, it comes. He wants to win stages at the Tour, not have the green jersey as his main objective. There is a chance he could get off in the Tour if he is tired and is digging himself into a hole."
The Tour ends in Paris on July 22, with the London Olympic road race scheduled for July 28.
Should Cavendish actually give up his green jersey ambitions, his Team Sky could favour compatriot Bradley Wiggins, who emerged as a potential Tour winner after his Paris-Nice victory this month.
Reuters
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on March 17, 2012, 08:25
No major surprise there.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on March 17, 2012, 10:12
I would rather a green jersey than a gold medal.

But a gold medal will help his financial future better than the green jersey, but as fan of cycling and not the olympics, i prefer a green jersey.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 17, 2012, 10:59
dont know if this has ever been reported, but all the sky guys who rode with cav at the worlds have a medal on the inside of their shirt collar. Cav insisted on it.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on March 17, 2012, 12:11
dont know if this has ever been reported, but all the sky guys who rode with cav at the worlds have a medal on the inside of their shirt collar. Cav insisted on it.

Would be curious to know what he got them for the win. I remember Contador bought watches for his 2009 winning TdF team mates.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on March 17, 2012, 12:32
dont know if this has ever been reported, but all the sky guys who rode with cav at the worlds have a medal on the inside of their shirt collar. Cav insisted on it.
Good man. What about non Sky team mates, if there were any?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 17, 2012, 12:32
I would rather a green jersey than a gold medal.

But a gold medal will help his financial future better than the green jersey, but as fan of cycling and not the olympics, i prefer a green jersey.
It's a different history for Sky/GB though. Sky was a project spun out of the track programme. All the GB riders on SKy, bar Hunt, were first and foremost identified as potential Gold medal contenders. There is a legacy there that means Brits will tend to rate Olympic baubles more highly than the rest of the peloton.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 17, 2012, 12:36
Good man. What about non Sky team mates, if there were any?
David Millar and now Steve Cummings?

Hard for Cav to insist JV does anything but who knows...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Esteban on March 17, 2012, 22:38
Any ideas on what Nordhaug is up to atm?  Having had a good start to the season, he's not been selected for either Paris-Nice or Catalunya (according to the start list), which seems a bit odd to me as he would be a pretty good domestique going uphill for Wiggins...

He is doing Criterium Internationale, along with Henao and Froome.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 18, 2012, 08:32
He is doing Criterium Internationale, along with Henao and Froome.

Ta.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 20, 2012, 12:09
Arrow will not pay anything until Flanders: "The aim is to Roubaix"

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/eventos_online-ficha.asp?id=166&hl=en&langpair=es|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/eventos_online-ficha.asp?id=166&hl=en&langpair=es|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1)

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Despite his hand injury progressing well, Juan Antonio Flecha and technical and medical staff of Team Sky have decided not to take risks and the broker will not contest this week Catalan tests Flemish Dwars door Vlaanderen, Vlaanderen-E3 Prijs Harlebeke and Ghent-Wevelgem. Thus, take the exit at the Tour of Flanders on April 1 without competing with the mind of the Paris-Roubaix a week later.

Arrow had surgery of the third metacarpal of his right hand after a fall in training prior to the Tirreno-Adriatico, which has disrupted their plans. "The hand is fine and we decided on the team not taking any chances. Yesterday I visited the surgeon and the lesion is well sealed and bone fit nicely into place, but of course the hand is still weak when taking the handlebars and the potholes and cobbles could hurt me. not worth it and is too risky, "confirms BiciCiclismo.

"It's okay because I'm either way, I'm training very well in roll and on Thursday I'll go on the road, just two weeks after the operation. I am quite happy and quiet. I go out and run now, but be realistic and I have not the same strength in the hand, "he explains.

So do not run this week Waregem, E3 Prijs and Gent, nor the Criterium International. "I'll go out in Flanders without running anything before, but from the beginning the goal has always been Roubaix. I have a doubt run Ghent. The doctor told me it could be, although it is best not to assume that risk for a career and a day competition, "he says.

"So on Thursday of next week I will travel to Flanders, the recognition will on Friday and will run on Sunday," he concludes. Meanwhile, continuing its training in Puigcerdá so far on the roller, and from Thursday morning, perhaps do some trial and return to the road. Until his accident, shone in the Tour of Qatar and the Omloop Het Nieuwsblad, third in both tests. Now expected to reach timely and Northern Hell on 8 April.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 20, 2012, 12:16
Arrow has always been one of my favourite riders and here's hoping he reaches Northern Hell in good form
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 20, 2012, 12:47
Struggling to fill race squads..

Dwars (6)
Mark Cavendish, Jeremy Hunt, Christian Knees, Salvatore Puccio, Luke Rowe, Chris Sutton
E3 (7) Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Jeremy Hunt, Christian Knees, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton
Criterium (6) Chris Froome, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Michael Rogers, Luke Rowe
Gent (8 ) Edvald Boasson Hagen, Mark Cavendish, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Jeremy Hunt, Christian Knees, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton 

No Eisel or Flecha for Dwars, No Henao for Criterium.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: NDC on March 20, 2012, 13:36
I appreciate I'm permanently wearing my Sky tinted spectacles but bearing in mind they already have Davide Appollonio, Richie Porte, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Rigoberto Urán, Bradley Wiggins and Xabier Zandio at Catalunya, how many other teams could field such strong (in quality of rider not sheer numbers) line-ups in what is effectively 5 races in a week...?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 20, 2012, 14:16
I appreciate I'm permanently wearing my Sky tinted spectacles but bearing in mind they already have Davide Appollonio, Richie Porte, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Rigoberto Urán, Bradley Wiggins and Xabier Zandio at Catalunya, how many other teams could field such strong (in quality of rider not sheer numbers) line-ups in what is effectively 5 races in a week...?

75% of the WT peloton  O0
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 20, 2012, 14:27
I appreciate I'm permanently wearing my Sky tinted spectacles but bearing in mind they already have Davide Appollonio, Richie Porte, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Rigoberto Urán, Bradley Wiggins and Xabier Zandio at Catalunya, how many other teams could field such strong (in quality of rider not sheer numbers) line-ups in what is effectively 5 races in a week...?

there is that.

im a bit frustrated that Geraint cant leave his track training for a couple of weeks and come and help out. Put him into dwaars and it makes a world of difference
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on March 20, 2012, 16:31
A bit unforgivable with Sky going into 3 ongoing and upcoming races understrength.  I know Olympic track has disrupted stuff but its beginning to get ridiculous.

 The Great JTL must be brought in before its too late.  O0
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on March 22, 2012, 13:02
With Tennant being added link (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tennant-added-to-team-gb-for-track-world-championships) does that suggest there is a possibility of one of Kennaugh, Thomas and Swift not playing a role at the Worlds or in London, and meaning their absence from the road will be for nothing?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 27, 2012, 15:59
April Squads

Ronde
Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Juan Antonio Flecha, Mathew Hayman, Jeremy Hunt, Christian Knees, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton

Pais Vasco
Davide Appollonio, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Michael Rogers, Luke Rowe, Xabier Zandio

Schelder
Bernhard Eisel, Juan Antonio Flecha, Mathew Hayman, Jeremy Hunt, Christian Knees, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton

Rouaix
Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Juan Antonio Flecha, Mathew Hayman, Jeremy Hunt, Christian Knees, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton

Amstel
Edvald Boasson Hagen, Mathew Hayman, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Xabier Zandio

Fleche
Davide Appollonio, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Luke Rowe, Rigoberto Urán, Xabier Zandio

Liege
Davide Appollonio, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Luke Rowe, Rigoberto Urán, Xabier Zandio

Romandie
Mark Cavendish, Chris Froome, Jeremy Hunt, Danny Pate, Richie Porte, Michael Rogers, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Bradley Wiggins

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on March 27, 2012, 22:45
With Tennant being added link (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tennant-added-to-team-gb-for-track-world-championships) does that suggest there is a possibility of one of Kennaugh, Thomas and Swift not playing a role at the Worlds or in London, and meaning their absence from the road will be for nothing?

Pretty sure it is swift who is going to miss out.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on March 27, 2012, 22:46
April Squads

Ronde
Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Juan Antonio Flecha, Mathew Hayman, Jeremy Hunt, Christian Knees, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton

Pais Vasco
Davide Appollonio, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Michael Rogers, Luke Rowe, Xabier Zandio

Schelder
Bernhard Eisel, Juan Antonio Flecha, Mathew Hayman, Jeremy Hunt, Christian Knees, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton

Rouaix
Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Juan Antonio Flecha, Mathew Hayman, Jeremy Hunt, Christian Knees, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton

Amstel
Edvald Boasson Hagen, Mathew Hayman, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Xabier Zandio

Fleche
Davide Appollonio, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Luke Rowe, Rigoberto Urán, Xabier Zandio

Liege
Davide Appollonio, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Luke Rowe, Rigoberto Urán, Xabier Zandio

Romandie
Mark Cavendish, Chris Froome, Jeremy Hunt, Danny Pate, Richie Porte, Michael Rogers, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Bradley Wiggins

am excited about some of those squads. interested to see how Henao, Nordhaug and Uran are going at liege
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 27, 2012, 22:54
Yeh, I think that Henao, Uran, LPN combo could be fun. All young (ish) all show promise.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on March 28, 2012, 07:32
Is Tennant going to race in the omnium? Swift isn't in the team pursuit anyway and only did the omnium in London. Thomas and Kennaugh won't be dropped from the team pursuit from all that I've read so far. Steve Burke or Ed Clancy possibly then.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on March 28, 2012, 09:41
Brailsford is trying to pull off a very complex juggling act with the Track and Road squads for Team GB and Team Sky, and expectations are (to put it mildly) flipping high.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on March 28, 2012, 23:14
As far as the perception of the British press and public goes, no amount of success at the Tour would make up for a poor performance at the Olympics. I think fewer than two golds in the Velodrome would be seen as a major disappointment, the expectation is somewhere around four. Medals in the road race/ITT would be a bonus.

If Cav wins green again it will get similar or perhaps a little less coverage than it did last year, which is to say front pages on the broadsheets and page 2 or 3 of the sports pages in the tabloids (assuming no football news).

If Wiggo wins yellow I honestly have no idea what the reaction will be. I imagine it will be big news for a few days but once the Olympics start it will be forgotten.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on March 28, 2012, 23:29
Is Tennant going to race in the omnium? Swift isn't in the team pursuit anyway and only did the omnium in London. Thomas and Kennaugh won't be dropped from the team pursuit from all that I've read so far. Steve Burke or Ed Clancy possibly then.

Ed Clancy is the best omnium rider in the team generally. Swift is still in the pursuit team and was the 5th rider in london so did the omnium instead.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on March 29, 2012, 00:27
I do think its a waste.  He is trying for the pursuit team, but probably wont make the cut ...

so sacrificed his season for basically squat
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on March 29, 2012, 00:49
I do think its a waste.  He is trying for the pursuit team, but probably wont make the cut ...

so sacrificed his season for basically squat

Thats a bit harsh. Lot of riders have tried to win races this year and got nothing. would you consider their seasons wasted?

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on March 29, 2012, 01:25
No to spend a decent part of the road season, focusing on the track to then not get picked is a waste.

yep - that
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 29, 2012, 07:39
Long way to go until the Olympics - injuries etc Swifty Bits could still ride
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on March 29, 2012, 07:56
Not much opportunity behind an in-form Cav and EBH anyway, he hasn't missed much.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on March 29, 2012, 08:55
(assuming no football news).

I should know this but is there any clash with the European football champs and the Tour or Olympics?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on March 29, 2012, 10:13
I should know this but is there any clash with the European football champs and the Tour or Olympics?

The Tour starts on the 30th of June this year, and the finals of the Euros are on the 1st of July.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on March 29, 2012, 12:48
April Squads



Amstel
Edvald Boasson Hagen, Mathew Hayman, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Xabier Zandio

Fleche
Davide Appollonio, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Luke Rowe, Rigoberto Urán, Xabier Zandio

Liege
Davide Appollonio, Sergio Henao, Thomas Löfkvist, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Salvatore Puccio, Luke Rowe, Rigoberto Urán, Xabier Zandio


Its cool that Luke Rowe is getting a go at F-W and Leige,  Nordhaug was flying the other day so deserves a run in the big races also.  Hopefully grab a top 10 somewhere.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: hatcher on April 07, 2012, 18:34
Any idea who Kennaugh is replacing in FW, or who Thomas is replacing at Romandie?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 09, 2012, 23:14
If Wiggo wins yellow I honestly have no idea what the reaction will be. I imagine it will be big news for a few days but once the Olympics start it will be forgotten.

I think the reaction would be pretty big, but as you say, once the Games kicks off, particularly in the Velodrome, it will get pushed down the agenda.  Brailsford's juggling act could all come tumbling down around him if the yellow/green conundrum ends up with neither, and GB get trumped by the Aussies on the track...

Not so much Sky news, but a question; how should Sky view the Cobbles season that has just finished?  They did well at Omloop and at KBK, but when push came to shove in the races that mattered most, they were found wanting, particularly worrying (if that is the appropriate word) as the Cobbles are meant to be one of their stronger suits.  I accept that Flecha was strong at Paris Roubaix, but the team tactics as a whole once Boonen went away left a lot to be desired.  What do they need to do to improve next year (apart from getting G back on the road)? 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on April 09, 2012, 23:18
I think not having Geraint was a huge fail. As a road cycling fan, im still annoyed by the damn olympics taking precedent.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on April 10, 2012, 09:12
I think not having Geraint was a huge fail. As a road cycling fan, im still annoyed by the damn olympics taking precedent.

Typical Britain, if you ask me. The Man doesn't want the country looking stupid at its own Olympics, so it's all hands on deck and sod your own life choices. Like the BCF nurtured you so now you owe the BCF (or whatever they call it nowadays). The Man just gets Brailsford to lean on the youngsters.

I'm more jaundiced than a leader's jersey about the Olympic track events, in no small part thanks to my sour grapes over not getting a look in on the tickets (and who the hell actually did get some?).

So what I look forward to is the steady but inexorable trickle of lads and lasses announcing they're quitting the track from August onwards. Boardman's already out, Pendleton probably actually will quit this time. And Swifty and Thomas are up next ...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on April 10, 2012, 09:51
Sky's classics season has been a failure this year. Flecha was his usual close-but-not-close-enough self, EBH still can't seem to hang with the big boys on the cobbles and Cav squandered a very real chance to win Gent because he counted on the strength of his team instead of relying on his own strength.

I think next year will be a different story. With the Olympics out of the way, G will be in the frame as co-leader with EBH for Flanders and Roubaix, and hopefully Flecha will be downgraded to road captain and super-dom. I don't say that out of spite, I love JAF, but his chances of winning one of those races have passed and it's time he paid back some of the work that has been done for him over the past two years.

I expect Hayman will leave the squad so he can have a shot at leadership somewhere, which will be a bit of a blow, but hopefully Wiggo will ride Roubaix again (remember he was 25th in 2009!) where he could be a real asset.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 10, 2012, 09:56
Whats the deal with EBH ?

Shold be doing a lot more with what he has imo
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on April 10, 2012, 10:01
Whats the deal with EBH ?

Shold be doing a lot more with what he has imo
If I knew I'd be on the blower to Brailsford right now.

He's looked just a little bit off all spring, like his form is just a few weeks away from being where it needs to be but never gets any better.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on April 10, 2012, 10:02
I don't mind Thomas in the track, they have a decent enough squad to challenge without him. Will Sky suddenly start winning cobbled classics with him in the squad? I'm don't think so.

Did he ride MSR? He could've made a proper difference there.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on April 10, 2012, 10:05
Without wishing to advertise...

I was quote focused in an old blog to say that he would be the future of classic racing (the other guy in the article has arguably outshone him so far).

http://road.cc/content/blog/8689-tour-flanders-2012 (http://road.cc/content/blog/8689-tour-flanders-2012)

After his Tour stage win last year I thought he would kick on, but it hasn't happened for his this season as yet.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on April 10, 2012, 10:05
I don't mind Thomas in the track, they have a decent enough squad to challenge without him. Will Sky suddenly start winning cobbled classics with him in the squad? I'm don't think so.

Did he ride MSR? He could've made a proper difference there.

All he's done on the road this year is Down Under and Paris-Nice.

I don't think his return will suddenly transform Sky in to a dominant force in the classics, but you can see from the numbers they had at the front in Roubaix that they have a very strong squad, they just seem to lack a real winner. On-form EBH should be able to fill that role, but G certainly can too.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on April 10, 2012, 10:09
See Jamsque I disagree with you there.

If they had used Flecha better at PR, he might have had a decent chance.  Using him to attack and try to get the others to work and riding for EBH was the wrong decision.  If they had ridden solely for JAF he would have done better.

It is hard for them though, with so many goals and half the team out ....
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on April 10, 2012, 10:15
All he's done on the road this year is Down Under and Paris-Nice.

I don't think his return will suddenly transform Sky in to a dominant force in the classics, but you can see from the numbers they had at the front in Roubaix that they have a very strong squad, they just seem to lack a real winner. On-form EBH should be able to fill that role, but G certainly can too.
Cheers Jammy. It may take some time and patience if these two are the winners of the classics.


Without wishing to advertise...

I was quote focused in an old blog to say that he would be the future of classic racing (the other guy in the article has arguably outshone him so far).

http://road.cc/content/blog/8689-tour-flanders-2012 (http://road.cc/content/blog/8689-tour-flanders-2012)

After his Tour stage win last year I thought he would kick on, but it hasn't happened for his this season as yet.
Nice one, and top memory too, I couldn't remember this edition of the RvV if I tried.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on April 18, 2012, 13:20
Sky's classics season has been a failure this year. Flecha was his usual close-but-not-close-enough self, EBH still can't seem to hang with the big boys on the cobbles

I realise this was written beforehand but I was more disappointed at EBH's futile suicide attack at AGR than his lack of cobbled success. A "sprint" up a hill should be his forte and he seemed to be progressing well in this regard (last years Tour).
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on April 18, 2012, 13:27
I disagree.

EBH is too hefty to be a contender in a sprint up a 10-15% gradient. His best chance at winning an Ardennes race is a solo attack so he can take advantage of his huge motor. Tactically it made sense for him to go because Nordhaug was in the group and obviously going well.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dan-J-92 on April 18, 2012, 14:12
I dont think EBH will ever be that competative in the ardennes. Think he needs to focus his efforts around the cobbled classics, time trialing and sprinting. Like in the previous post i dont think he can sprint on a 10-15% gradient. However i think sky can improve massivly in the ardenne classics. I think Kennaugh, Nordhaug, Uran and Heneo are all capable of placing high in the ardenne classics. If Lofkvist stays (hope he does) i think he needs to concentrate his efforts on hill climbing. I dont think he has what it takes to be a GC man. Maybe then he can get some results again.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Zam on April 20, 2012, 16:58
hey now at home with sky.

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,25135_7687044,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,25135_7687044,00.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on April 20, 2012, 18:45
New Jaguar XF Sportbrake Team Car Launched..

And the rest of the photos if you like cars http://albums.teamskyfans.com/2012/XF%20Sportbrake%20Launch/index.html (http://albums.teamskyfans.com/2012/XF%20Sportbrake%20Launch/index.html)
photo credit ndc

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 20, 2012, 18:53
New Jaguar XF Sportbrake Team Car Launched..

More photos to follow on tsf, photo credit ndc

FUGLY

Nice photo ndc ofc but I much rather the rainforest sky kit.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 21, 2012, 08:56
2 sky Docos coming out

wonder how many times Wiggo will say he is in the form of his life  ::)

http://skyatlantic.sky.com/bradley-wiggins-tour-of-duty/two-new-cycling-documentaries-coming-to-sky-atlantic?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://skyatlantic.sky.com/bradley-wiggins-tour-of-duty/two-new-cycling-documentaries-coming-to-sky-atlantic?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on April 21, 2012, 09:00
2 sky Docos coming out

wonder how many times Wiggo will say he is in the form of his life  ::)

http://skyatlantic.sky.com/bradley-wiggins-tour-of-duty/two-new-cycling-documentaries-coming-to-sky-atlantic?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://skyatlantic.sky.com/bradley-wiggins-tour-of-duty/two-new-cycling-documentaries-coming-to-sky-atlantic?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Lots until the first long  TdF TT when he loses minutes to T Martin, Canc and a few others. Then we will start to hear about all the little problems he had in the build up ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on April 21, 2012, 09:06
FUGLY

Nice photo ndc ofc but I much rather the rainforest sky kit.
Sacrilege, did you just call the Jag ugly?

But it does look a bit carp in comparison to the usual Jaguar lot.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 21, 2012, 09:10
Sacrilege, did you just call the Jag ugly?

But it does look a bit carp in comparison to the usual Jaguar lot.

yes flipping ugly even

seriously who puts a huge teal blue strip through the middle of a Jag - team sky obviously  :-[

what they should have done is gone the rainforest green of last year TDF but pained the whole car that colour

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on April 21, 2012, 09:15
It's the region below the headlights where it seems all hacked up. The bumper...

An XKR, that would be sexy as hell.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on April 21, 2012, 17:46
Full audio interview from yesterday with Juan Antonio Flecha
http://teamskyfans.com/audio.html (http://teamskyfans.com/audio.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Zam on April 24, 2012, 12:24
Chris froome returns to action tomm   after wrestling with recurrent Bilharzia, Pneumonia and Typhoid  says  Paul Sherwen.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 24, 2012, 12:27
Chris froome returns to action tomm   after wrestling with recurrent Bilharzia, Pneumonia and Typhoid  says  Paul Sherwen.

think you missed the plague - Typhoid Chris Brother of Mary  O0 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on April 24, 2012, 12:47
Bloody hell, what has Froome been eating?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on April 24, 2012, 12:56
Must've stood too close to Paul, would explain the typhoid. Good luck to Fromage, hope he has a top second half though.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 26, 2012, 09:03
(http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/resize/file/1799_rogers-640-getty.jpg/id/27413/w/640/h/360)

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/36141/Rogers-embraces-different-run (http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/36141/Rogers-embraces-different-run)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 27, 2012, 08:23
(http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2012/tour-de-romandie/photos/stage-02/090-RTR31982.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: FreeWheelin on April 27, 2012, 08:39
(http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2012/tour-de-romandie/photos/stage-02/090-RTR31982.jpg)

Gaeh
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on April 27, 2012, 08:41
(http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2012/tour-de-romandie/photos/stage-02/090-RTR31982.jpg)

as an Englishman i cannot believe they have this. i would cringe with embarrassment every time someone read it
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on April 27, 2012, 08:58
as an Englishman i cannot believe they have this. i would cringe with embarrassment every time someone read it

Sounds vaguely familiar. Was it taken from the film Wall Street or something?  ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on April 27, 2012, 09:00
Sounds vaguely familiar. Was it taken from the film Wall Street or something?  ;D

I bet they got a serious amount of slagging from the peloton.  ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on April 27, 2012, 09:05
(http://www.grassyknolltv.com/2012/tour-de-romandie/photos/stage-02/090-RTR31982.jpg)

:fp

Get Fred Trueman to correct that.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on April 27, 2012, 12:09
Wow, 'Edge is always Turning' is now conservative marketing compared to this :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Archieboy on May 02, 2012, 11:42
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_7722563,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_7722563,00.html)

Good news..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 02, 2012, 11:45
(http://img.skysports.com/12/05/640/SkyBritishCycling_2758831.jpg)

I swear Cav is sucking his gut in in that photo
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Ram on May 02, 2012, 12:07
Must not post objectionable matter.....

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_7722563,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_7722563,00.html)

Good news..
Good indeed.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on May 02, 2012, 15:11
http://road.cc/content/news/57438-sky-extends-british-cycling-sponsorship-four-more-years-end-2016 (http://road.cc/content/news/57438-sky-extends-british-cycling-sponsorship-four-more-years-end-2016)

Carry on Sky....
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kanari on May 07, 2012, 20:14
Edvald Boasson Hagen is finishing his cooperation with his personal coach Fredrik Mohn. Team Sky will now be solely responsible for his training schedule with KA Arvesen as his main contact. I think this is about time and hopefully someone can do something so that his engine improves for the classics.

http://www.tv2.no/sport/sykkel/boasson-hagen-bryter-med-treneren-3775940.html (http://www.tv2.no/sport/sykkel/boasson-hagen-bryter-med-treneren-3775940.html)

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on May 07, 2012, 20:22
Edvald Boasson Hagen is finishing his cooperation with his personal coach Fredrik Mohn. Team Sky will now be solely responsible for his training schedule with KA Arvesen as his main contact. I think this is about time and hopefully someone can do something so that his engine improves for the classics.

http://www.tv2.no/sport/sykkel/boasson-hagen-bryter-med-treneren-3775940.html (http://www.tv2.no/sport/sykkel/boasson-hagen-bryter-med-treneren-3775940.html)

That's interesting. Any reasons given? EBH is definitely an underperforming talent. This spring was really low-key for him and at this point in his career he needs to be doing better than that.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 07, 2012, 20:30
EBH needs to move away from Norway during the winters be a huge help
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on May 07, 2012, 20:47
(http://img.skysports.com/12/05/640/SkyBritishCycling_2758831.jpg)

I swear Cav is sucking his gut in in that photo

I swear Wiggin's is wearing a rug  ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on May 09, 2012, 08:00
Porte's a happy chappy these days - http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/porte-happier-and-in-his-element-at-team-sky (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/porte-happier-and-in-his-element-at-team-sky)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Zam on May 14, 2012, 20:40
Bradley Wiggins's Beijing Olympic souvenir medal stolen in break-in

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/14/bradley-wiggins-beijing-medal-stolen?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cyclingrightnow%2FGuardiancouk+%28Guardian+Sport%3A+Cycling+%7C+guardian.co.uk%29 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/14/bradley-wiggins-beijing-medal-stolen?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cyclingrightnow%2FGuardiancouk+%28Guardian+Sport%3A+Cycling+%7C+guardian.co.uk%29)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on May 14, 2012, 21:19
EBH needs to move away from Norway during the winters be a huge help

I think Edvald needs to be much closer to the team generally as far as training goes. They relied the first two years on his talent being enough and to organise his own training, but its clearly not worked too well. He goes out to Mallorca but even then doesnt spend a huge amount of time at the camp, he seems to be in the Carlstrom plan of spending the winter having fun in the snow. Arvesen hopefully can get some organisation into the kid.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on May 14, 2012, 21:27
Ryder Hesjedal revealed he winters in Maui, which seems similar to what happens when riders go to Mallorca and apart from 'preparation' in means they have a consistent level of weather to keep the training consistent and get the miles into the legs.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: lancasterke on May 15, 2012, 13:34
on the weekend i was riding in richmond and saw a guy in full Sky kit, sky pinarello, helmet, everything. he was riding really smoothly, but we were going through traffic on flat ground so didn't really see how strong he was, but he was pretty skinny.

his kit had BECKETT (or similar, possibly Duckett or somehing) and a union flag on the side.

do sky sell personalised kit to fans or was this guy on the staff in some way?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dev on May 17, 2012, 17:37
on the weekend i was riding in richmond and saw a guy in full Sky kit, sky pinarello, helmet, everything. he was riding really smoothly, but we were going through traffic on flat ground so didn't really see how strong he was, but he was pretty skinny.

his kit had BECKETT (or similar, possibly Duckett or somehing) and a union flag on the side.

do sky sell personalised kit to fans or was this guy on the staff in some way?

Employees who work for Sky (and friends/family) have their own cycling club 'Sky Velo' (they have a twitter account too) prolly was someone from there.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on May 17, 2012, 18:47
Employees who work for Sky (and friends/family) have their own cycling club 'Sky Velo' (they have a twitter account too) prolly was someone from there.

yeh, sky velo all have customised shirts, but virtually all the staff have customised shirts as well, not just the team staff, but some office staff etc also have them.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on May 19, 2012, 10:10
Nice set of Cav photos

http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,17548_7765340,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,17548_7765340,00.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on May 20, 2012, 08:55
loving these Scott Mitchell photo sets of sky

http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,25248_7766966,00.html#photo=0 (http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,25248_7766966,00.html#photo=0)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on May 23, 2012, 00:30
Nice article on wiggins and his training regime

yes it starts with the obligatory 'i am in the form of my life' but then goes on to say why

if he does win tour can say that he has earn't it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9283386/Bradley-Wiggins-reveals-Team-Skys-explosive-secret-that-has-put-him-in-contention-for-Tour-de-France.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9283386/Bradley-Wiggins-reveals-Team-Skys-explosive-secret-that-has-put-him-in-contention-for-Tour-de-France.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 23, 2012, 07:31
Nice article on wiggins and his training regime

yes it starts with the obligatory 'i am in the form of my life' but then goes on to say why

if he does win tour can say that he has earn't it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9283386/Bradley-Wiggins-reveals-Team-Skys-explosive-secret-that-has-put-him-in-contention-for-Tour-de-France.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9283386/Bradley-Wiggins-reveals-Team-Skys-explosive-secret-that-has-put-him-in-contention-for-Tour-de-France.html)

good article I wonder if Porte or even Götland will make big in roads from training up there with him

Froome I do not know if he has it in - the bloke is always sick
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: killswitch on May 30, 2012, 01:38
Inside the Team Sky service course

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/05/inside-the-team-sky-service-course/ (http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/05/inside-the-team-sky-service-course/)

(http://cyclingtipscontent.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/MG_8897.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on May 31, 2012, 08:39
Great pic of Rigoberto Uran Uran

http://www.fabbricadellabici.com/post/23693155686/rigoberto-uran-by-smashred-on-flickr (http://www.fabbricadellabici.com/post/23693155686/rigoberto-uran-by-smashred-on-flickr)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on May 31, 2012, 08:47
Bernie about the Giro

Quote
“At a certain point we were on the plane back home. I mean, I will never give up, if I’m out of time, I’m out of time. But it was tough. I told Cav twice just to keep thinking about Delilah.

“Yesterday he was on his hands and knees, and then he crashed as well, he was tired.  “And I was like ‘that’s it, we’re not going to make it’. There were these long, long roads into a headwind and I was just giving it everything and I was like ‘just keep going.’ Then Jez came back and I was thinking ‘if he’s come back, that’s three of us going to go home.’

“But Cav was recovering really well, he was on the wheel for 20k and then he started dropping me because I was empty. And I just killed myself trying to get through on the last part.”  “It was one of those Giro stages you just hate. All those small ramps [climbs], they were real bastards.

“As soon as you lost contact with the bunch, it became a day that was never-ending.” 

“We were drilling it. For the last 20k I couldn’t see any more. I don’t know what I had, a heat-stroke. Then I had an asthma attack afterwards and I was lying on the bus for 30 minutes. Even the team doctor asked me if I wanted to go home. It was just one of those miserable days.”

BERNIE EISEL ON BATTLING TO FINISH WITH CAV, PHINNEY AND OTHERS, BEFORE THE TIME CUT AT YESTERDAY’S GIRO. THEY GOT IN WITH A MINUTE TO SPARE.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on June 02, 2012, 08:09
do sky sell personalised kit to fans or was this guy on the staff in some way?

http://www.bibshortsncyclejerseys.co.uk/page.php?team=27&action=208&page=1&teamname=sky (http://www.bibshortsncyclejerseys.co.uk/page.php?team=27&action=208&page=1&teamname=sky)

Samewood offered them too.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on June 02, 2012, 08:35
on the weekend i was riding in richmond and saw a guy in full Sky kit, sky pinarello, helmet, everything. he was riding really smoothly, but we were going through traffic on flat ground so didn't really see how strong he was, but he was pretty skinny.

his kit had BECKETT (or similar, possibly Duckett or somehing) and a union flag on the side.

do sky sell personalised kit to fans or was this guy on the staff in some way?

There's a former "pro" called Matthew Beckett, races in Wales now so not sure where/how that places him in the USA but if the bloke on the left looks like the guy in the SKY kit then that's him :D

(http://www.sisportsimages.co.uk/Galleries2012/CYCLING/AbergavennyRoadRace1Apri2012/slides/DSC_3431.jpg)

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=15517 (http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=15517)

EDIT: he just came 7th in the Welsh Road Race Champs 5 days ago, so can't be him then :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on June 08, 2012, 00:57
Wiggins - Skys the limit
BW Stl (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrduyt)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 08, 2012, 12:11
Danny ‏@dnelissen
Jonathan Tiernan-Locke schijnt te hebben getekend bij Team Sky ... #transfer
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Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on June 08, 2012, 12:14
According to France's L'Equipe sports newspaper Team Sky will drop Pinarello next season and move over to Specialized bikes.

 The new contract is said to be worth 6 million euro.

http://italiancyclingjournal.blogspot.it/2012/06/lequipe-team-sky-dropping-pinarello.html (http://italiancyclingjournal.blogspot.it/2012/06/lequipe-team-sky-dropping-pinarello.html)

dont have a link to L'Equipe
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on June 08, 2012, 12:17
yep - CN have it up too

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-to-ride-specialized-bikes-in-2013? (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-to-ride-specialized-bikes-in-2013?)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 08, 2012, 12:27
Who cares about marginal gains when you can have a shitload of money instead.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on June 08, 2012, 12:38
Danny ‏@dnelissen
Jonathan Tiernan-Locke schijnt te hebben getekend bij Team Sky ... #transfer
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Reasonably, he doesnt usually say stuff with no foundation, but has got it wrong occasionally.

But theres been rumours for about a year. He has trained with the team in the past, including at Tenerife, and its likely that he will be in the worlds squad.

Personally, im dont think its a good move for JTL
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 08, 2012, 12:50
Reasonably, he doesnt usually say stuff with no foundation, but has got it wrong occasionally.

But theres been rumours for about a year. He has trained with the team in the past, including at Tenerife, and its likely that he will be in the worlds squad.

Personally, im dont think its a good move for JTL
Agree to disagree, I think he's a good fit. It's the Colombians who seem out of place, and what's happened to Xandio this year? He was Sky's favourite domestique in 2011.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on June 08, 2012, 13:30
what's happened to Xandio this year? He was Sky's favourite domestique in 2011.

babysitting the kids at the vuelta
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on June 09, 2012, 22:48
Stannard repeats Dowsetts efforts on last year and laps the field for the win in the London nocturne. Unlike Dowsett who did it on his own, stannard took House with him but beats him in the final sprint
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 12, 2012, 03:44
The Manchester United of cycling? that's so 2008. Sky are the Bayern Munich of cycling
Sourcage (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/martin-sky-are-the-bayern-munchen-of-cycling)

Who's the Dortmund?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 12, 2012, 12:18
Team Sky - Tour De France 2012 - Teaser Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlCzT24rUH8#ws)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on June 12, 2012, 20:21
Agree to disagree, I think he's a good fit. It's the Colombians who seem out of place, and what's happened to Xandio this year? He was Sky's favourite domestique in 2011.

I'm with Dim I think.  I don't like the idea that all British cycling talent will instantly gravitate towards Sky - hence why I like seeing Blythe and Fenn do well, so would like to see JTL prosper elsewhere.  But who would  take him and give him a good shot at racing in the Ardennes - where he seems best suited, and also give him the support that he would undoubtedly get at Sky?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on June 12, 2012, 20:29
Garmin?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on June 12, 2012, 20:51
Garmin?

Good shout.  He and Dan Martin would be quite a handy double act if that happened.  Add him to the Uran/Henao/Nordhaug trio and you potentially get too many chiefs...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on June 14, 2012, 23:37
Cannot win with some people. Sky meet with ASO (apparently something they have done twice a year since before they were even a full team) to present information on the team and help prove that they are clean and trying to change the mindset of the sport and everyone sees it as proof they are dirty

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sky-meeting-with-aso-is-routine-team-says (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sky-meeting-with-aso-is-routine-team-says)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on June 15, 2012, 03:39
Oh come on Dave, yeah nothing suspicious about it at all... ::)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 15, 2012, 05:26
If people want to see it as suspicious, it will be suspicious. I don't think it's a save me from doping scandals plea yet, and what would the ASO do with regards to doping?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on June 15, 2012, 05:28
If they're the only team doing it, yes. Then you also have to ask why they are in contact to begin with.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on June 15, 2012, 05:35
If they're the only team doing it, yes. Then you also have to ask why they are in contact to begin with.

i think they started doing it in 2009 in case they did not get world tour and were reliant on wild card entries

they are keen to show they are clean

i honestly do not understand how a team publishing data to show to an external party that they are clean makes them more suspicious. that really does not make any sense at all and shows the mentality people have got into
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 15, 2012, 05:50
Mind, going to the UCI or WADA would've been proper dodgy, but ASO don't do doping controls.

Also, would Wiggins' season have been as good if the routes were less TT friendly or if someone, or anyone, attacked him more often? Westra did in one stage and he almost won the PN.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on June 15, 2012, 07:32
Also, would Wiggins' season have been as good if the routes were less TT friendly or if someone, or anyone, attacked him more often? Westra did in one stage and he almost won the PN.

Not Wiggo's fault if the opposition don't bring the fight to him.  Conversely, Sky have raced superbly all year and done their best to minimise opportunities for others to attack - Dauphine being the most obvious recent example. 

I don't read too much into Sky showing their data to ASO, I think it is just a part of them trying to be open etc regarding doping.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on June 15, 2012, 08:29
i think they started doing it in 2009 in case they did not get world tour and were reliant on wild card entries

they are keen to show they are clean

i honestly do not understand how a team publishing data to show to an external party that they are clean makes them more suspicious. that really does not make any sense at all and shows the mentality people have got into

It's highly irregular if not highly suspicious, I couldn't give two curry-filled farts one way or the other about Sky but doing something "different" is always going to be viewed as weird, if you can't accept that then don't you have the same mentality as the "antis", just with the shoe on the other foot?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 15, 2012, 08:39
No, it's a case of giving the benefit of the doubt for now. They showed some numbers to the ASO. Right, now tell me why you find it unimaginably suspicious? That they'll be immune to doping positives? When did the ASO take over those duties? If BMC's tyres get mysteriously punctured during the tour, then we'll have a definite reason to suspect them. Had they gone to the UCI or WADA, then defo reason to suspect them.

If you couldn't give a couple of curry filled farts, why bother about it?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on June 15, 2012, 11:59
No, it's a case of giving the benefit of the doubt for now. They showed some numbers to the ASO. Right, now tell me why you find it unimaginably suspicious? That they'll be immune to doping positives? When did the ASO take over those duties? If BMC's tyres get mysteriously punctured during the tour, then we'll have a definite reason to suspect them. Had they gone to the UCI or WADA, then defo reason to suspect them.

If you couldn't give a couple of curry filled farts, why bother about it?

I'm entitled to have an opinion about something, even if it seemingly goes against what others think. Also should be allowed to have that opinion without being labelled bias one way, clearly from someone with feelings the opposite way too. How is that any better?

I view this as suspicious, woe is me for being so cynical in this sport.  ::) Whatever their reasons for doing so '09 that was 3 seasons ago, why the need to do so now? There is certainly no worry for Sky now to lose their WT license (apart from obvious factors that apply to all teams) so how is that a concern now? Have wildcard teams this year "proven" themselves too? Are they sucking up, it certainly looks like it and no one likes the teachers pet, so its an highly presumptuous act, however you look at it.

If this came to light in '09 of course people would comment about it and apart from the CN bashes who are a lot more inflammatory in their thoughts towards Sky than I, I don't think anyway would think its outrageous, just suspicious as I pointed out.  If people think that's because of some vendetta against Sky then they have their own problems that need addressing.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 15, 2012, 12:14
Mind, I wasn't the one who said the farting bit, just asked you what you said.

Again, my question was why? That's still to be answered. If teacher's pet is the best that's there, well I'll leave it.

I've explained my position, biased or not, and I don't love Sky.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on June 15, 2012, 12:48
Cannot win with some people. Sky meet with ASO (apparently something they have done twice a year since before they were even a full team) to present information on the team and help prove that they are clean and trying to change the mindset of the sport and everyone sees it as proof they are dirty

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sky-meeting-with-aso-is-routine-team-says (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sky-meeting-with-aso-is-routine-team-says)

If you are trying to change the mindset of the sport surely campaigning to clean out the UCI is the place to start. making sure the testing is done by WADA letting journalists like Kimmage spent a TdF and a crucial training camp watching the workings of everything leaving no stone unturned etc is the way to go?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on June 15, 2012, 12:57
I really don't see the problem. Sky have a meeting with ASO, good for them. It's not like the other teams are forbidden to have these meetings. If Sky do have them, that's a smart move probably, since the ASO is a very important player that is best kept on friendly terms. Other teams should learn from this and hold these meetings too. It would only be unfair or suspicious if other teams were not granted these meetings. But as it stands, with JV apparently also meeting regularly with the ASO, that's not the case. Thus I don't see anything wrong with all this.

And doping doesn't have anything to do with this. The ASO doesn't do doping checks, so I honestly don't see why that is dragged into this?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 15, 2012, 13:02
If you are trying to change the mindset of the sport surely campaigning to clean out the UCI is the place to start. making sure the testing is done by WADA letting journalists like Kimmage spent a TdF and a crucial training camp watching the workings of everything leaving no stone unturned etc is the way to go?
maybe, but that is a totally separate issue. That Sky lobby the ASO has nothing to do with the above so why are people linking it in?

Whether Sky's lobbying of the ASO is a good thing is another argument. 100Kms of TT anyone?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 15, 2012, 13:07
It is not the meeting for me it is the presentation of blood and training information at the meeting is weird.

Do you think Bolts people provide that sort of data to the diamond league people?

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on June 15, 2012, 13:16
I am assuming that to guarantee funding, Sky had to be invited to the Tour ... and to guarantee that (before they were awarded a UCI pro-tour licence) ASO had some conditions.

Quite honestly, given the history of cycling ... especially at the Tour ... its not that surprising that ASO are taking an interest in this kind of thing.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 15, 2012, 13:19
maybe, but that is a totally separate issue. That Sky lobby the ASO has nothing to do with the above so why are people linking it in?

Whether Sky's lobbying of the ASO is a good thing is another argument. 100Kms of TT anyone?
Which is what I thought originally, and they certainly can't go public and say that the route was such because of such.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on June 15, 2012, 13:21
meh - everyone lobbies the ASO in different ways.

They changed the finish in Leige purely to suit Phil. 
They openly admit they changed the rules for the Green jersey so that Cav could win

Its always been open to political manipulation by the players
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 15, 2012, 13:23
While that's true, I don't think it would be in any way prudent for Sky to admit that publicly.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on June 15, 2012, 13:32
I think this is actually a much less questionable way to ensure favour with the ASO and gain entrance to the Tour than to sponsor it directly, such as Vacansoleil for instance does (or did at least, not sure if they still do), and Cofidis does with the Vuelta. They basically bought their wild-cards, while Sky only present their team and show just how clean they are.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on June 15, 2012, 14:33
I am assuming that to guarantee funding, Sky had to be invited to the Tour ... and to guarantee that (before they were awarded a UCI pro-tour licence) ASO had some conditions.

Quite honestly, given the history of cycling ... especially at the Tour ... its not that surprising that ASO are taking an interest in this kind of thing.

So why have we heard of no other team doing this?

You forgot NetApp at the Giro this year SlowRider, and yes that sort of sponsoring is dodgy but we know about that. I don't think we're getting the whole story here, certainly not all of why ASO "requires" things from Sky.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 15, 2012, 14:38
Maybe, just a slight chance that nobody reports it in the media. This wasn't a piece of investigative journalism, it was a case of foot in mouth.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on June 15, 2012, 14:42
So why have we heard of no other team doing this?

You forgot NetApp at the Giro this year SlowRider, and yes that sort of sponsoring is dodgy but we know about that. I don't think we're getting the whole story here, certainly not all of why ASO "requires" things from Sky.

I agree with Tu: a decent explanation (greater than a 50 word PR-bullsh*t soundbite) might have been better. You don't go to - where are they, just south of Paris someplace, I think, Montargis? - and present to an organisation like ASO just for the tea and biscuits.

One of the world's best funded cycling teams sponsored by an enormously powerful publishing family meeting with a sports event organiser owned by, ahem, an enormously powerful publishing family.

People have every reason to be suspicious. And I am.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 15, 2012, 15:27
...

People have every reason to be suspicious. And I am.

Suspicious of what?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on June 15, 2012, 16:30
Suspicious of what?

What could be more suspicious than a team that races bikes talking to a company that organises bike races? What could they POSSIBLY be talking about?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on June 15, 2012, 18:34
Suspicious of what?

What could be more suspicious than a team that races bikes talking to a company that organises bike races? What could they POSSIBLY be talking about?

Suspicious of anything at all ever. Closed-door meetings how dare they? How dare they close the door when they're doing a number two?

At all times I demand to be tweeted.

I mean suspicious of stuff that organisations do all the time. Even ordering stationery.

Suspicious of anything that would only look dodgy in pro cycling. Because taking your Gran out for Sunday lunch looks dodgy in pro cycling.  ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on June 15, 2012, 19:13
Meeting ASO ahead of tour can be about what appear to be innocent things like hotel accommodation logistics for VIPs, but that info can be used to plan other activities.

As L'arri said the ASO and Murdoch meeting is not to slap each other on the back and say how great each other is without further motives. What those motives maybe might be for all we know a better future for cycling, but somehow i doubt it.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on June 17, 2012, 13:05
What Sky have been up to since the Dauphine;
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17545_7815516,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17545_7815516,00.html)
http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,17548_7819924,00.html#photo=0 (http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,17548_7819924,00.html#photo=0)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on June 18, 2012, 05:07
saw that stuff about the squad. the fact they have been all hanging out together and the fact that Sky made so much of how the team spirit was great in the tour team, you have to think the guys that are there are the front runners for tour slots

especially with Loftkvist fading in Switzerland and having knee problems

Cav is still talking about trying for the Green jersey so i think any ideas he would not ride or would not compete seem to be wrong
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 18, 2012, 19:23
we know this already ( Dim did the work )

(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/06/Wigginstreble-e1340020974148-676x421.jpg)

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/06/news/wiggins-aims-at-paris-after-record-setting-spring-treble_224729 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/06/news/wiggins-aims-at-paris-after-record-setting-spring-treble_224729)

Quote
Teammates Danny Pate, Richie Porte and Kanstantsin Siutsou were at Wiggins’ side in all three races

Interesting
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 18, 2012, 20:56
Not really too much of a surprise, the Wiggins crew has been around for pretty much every race that Wiggins races. Pate would be the only one who I'd be half surprised by there.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on June 19, 2012, 14:31
Pate will ride for sure,  the way he rode last year in pulling on the front for seemingly ages for HTC got him a slot.

Useful for both Cav and Wiggo in neutralizing stuff IMO.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on June 22, 2012, 07:52
Pate will ride for sure,  the way he rode last year in pulling on the front for seemingly ages for HTC got him a slot.

Useful for both Cav and Wiggo in neutralizing stuff IMO.

 :fp

Christian Knees rides instead of Pate.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on June 22, 2012, 08:02
:fp

Christian Knees rides instead of Pate.

yeah i think siutsou (i have no idea how to spell it) got the Pate spot. I think they see Knees as having a little more speed for the final Cav run in. Guess they are banking on other teams helping bring back the break. Considering the number of teams dedicated to the sprint it is a risk worth taking
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on June 22, 2012, 11:44
Yeah,  glad Knees is riding this - really underestimated racer and a great guy.
It must be a bit different than riding for his ex team Milram in being part of this Sky squad I would imagine.   Ridiculous to the sublime.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on June 22, 2012, 11:51
the other thing i like with Knees is rarely seems to have an off day. is always there to work for the team when needed. kiss of death there, Knees for Lantern rouge anyone
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 26, 2012, 06:21
http://soundcloud.com/official-teamsky/the-elite-ft-ollie-sloan-go (http://soundcloud.com/official-teamsky/the-elite-ft-ollie-sloan-go)

Sky song for the Tour de France. It's sh*te.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on June 26, 2012, 06:37
my god that is awful
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 26, 2012, 06:47

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Auscyclefan on June 26, 2012, 06:55
http://soundcloud.com/official-teamsky/the-elite-ft-ollie-sloan-go (http://soundcloud.com/official-teamsky/the-elite-ft-ollie-sloan-go)

Sky song for the Tour de France. It's sh*te.

That is 3 minutes in my life I won't get back. GreenEdge's song is way better!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on June 26, 2012, 06:57
That is 3 minutes in my life I won't get back. GreenEdge's song is way better!

you made it through the whole thing?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 26, 2012, 06:59
Third time I'm listening to it, and it's still sh*te. Patience is a virtue, maybe the 26th time will actually be decent.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Auscyclefan on June 26, 2012, 06:59
you made it through the whole thing?

I had the volume down low so I could tolerate it. Rather repetitive.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 26, 2012, 07:08
dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dumdumdumdumdum
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on June 26, 2012, 07:17
Cycling teams  have official songs?  That I did not know. 

In the blurb bit describing the song: "The synergies with Team Sky were immediately apparent. The Elite are 100% committed to their art and their work ethic is second to none. They want to be the best so their collaboration with Team Sky was a natural fit"   :fp
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DinZ on June 26, 2012, 07:18
Cycling teams  have official songs?  That I did not know. 

In the blurb bit describing the song: "The synergies with Team Sky were immediately apparent. The Elite are 100% committed to their art and their work ethic is second to none. They want to be the best so their collaboration with Team Sky was a natural fit"   :fp

the only synergy is i am pretty sure they were on drugs when they did their work...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on June 26, 2012, 07:19
Team Sky - Tour De France 2012 - Music by The Elite.mov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5i9npCTYUI#ws)

Starts very well indeed.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: brassyn on June 26, 2012, 21:14
I feel like Sky's Tour preparation was coming along nicely until they revealed this song. Bad omen  ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on July 17, 2012, 19:13
has this been linked ?

anyways some fans Video

all cool but scary how much weight he has lost, especially considering the last interview he is discussing this years tour and olympics

The Rise of Wiggo: Tour History of Bradley Wiggins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v44N93--G4M#ws)

ps if you feel the need remember what section we are in
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on July 25, 2012, 09:51
new doco

Bradley Wiggins - a very British champion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syqLaLR73Vc#ws)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Poster Formerly Known As Moondance on August 20, 2012, 10:49
Okay, sorry if there's already a thread for this, but I am struck once again by Brad Wiggins' utter arrogance. Basically he's said, "this town ain't big enough for the two of us"...

"I love seeing him win as much as anyone else and to see Mark back out on the Tour winning six, seven or eight different stages and challenging for the green, he probably has to go [to another team]." http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-cavendish-should-probably-leave-sky (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-cavendish-should-probably-leave-sky)

So why, for all that is holy, does Brad think that he's the top long-term asset? I know the Cavendish rumours have been floating around, but Sky have the worlds top sprinter... They have a GC man who is in every way Wiggins' equal (Froome) and is a fair few years younger, and a superior climber to boot. He won a Tour which was tailor-made for him, he's 32 years old, where he didn't even have to compete with Contador, who is now back and out for revenge. I think Sky would be foolish to ditch both Froome and Cav, if it means keeping Mr. Sideburns placated. Wiggins proves once again why he deserves the scorn and derision of every cycling fan.

Perhaps I'm overreacting, but I'd grown to accept Wiggins, in part because he'd shut his mouth a bit and didn't constantly say stupid things. Now he's unmuzzled, and proves once again that he's the greatest ego on two wheels.[/rant]
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dr. Horrible the Mad Elephant Man on August 20, 2012, 10:53
An extremely stupid thing to say unless he know for absolute certain that Cav is going somewhere else. What happens if Cav stays at sky?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 20, 2012, 10:57
I have a feeling that it is DB that started the rumors - ie Cav may need to find a new team as we focus on GC etc

But Wiggo being seen as the team leader someone asked his his views , standard

But as with a few guys, wiggo should not say anything to the media it just does not come out well
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on August 20, 2012, 11:07
 ::)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Havetts on August 20, 2012, 11:13
Not much will happen when Cavendish stays, the focus will be GC again with probably only Bernie to help him out during the Tour..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on August 20, 2012, 11:15
I don't think we should read anything more into it than Froome's interview, mid-tour, with L'Equipe. DB has said Cav is free to go, Brad is just echoing the same sentiment. And it's nothing anyone else isn't thinking. Cav keeping tight-lipped on the situation, same as he did this time last year. So we can expect to be kept guessing until after the Worlds.

And guess we will, I guess.  :-\

And Moondance - I'm not sure it is arrogance solely on Wiggins' part... if Sky really do have ambitions to go for all 3 GTs in a season, and believe that they have the squad to do it, that is arrogance on all of their parts. Perhaps justified, but better left unexpressed. Particularly if they fail to achieve their highly-publicised ambitions (a la the Olympic RR...)

And I'm a Sky fan!!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on August 20, 2012, 11:20
I agree, Cav indeed may be jepoardising Wiggins' chances of winning the Tour again or whatever other targets he may have in the future and the truth is that currently Sky's priority is Wiggins, Froome and winning GTs and classics etc and though Cav is certainly an extra aspect to their team; if he is an aspect which will get in the way and prevent Sky reaching their targets than Wiggins has a right to want to get rid of him.

Admittedly the way he announces it to the media is probably inapproriate but unfortunately that sometimes seems to be Wiggins' way.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 20, 2012, 14:53
“For me [it is] not big at all,” he said, referring to missing the worlds TT. “I am the Olympic champion, that is the one everyone wants to win. I won't be doing the time trial. I have a lot of commitments now in the next six weeks and I am probably not going to be able to give the time to the training that is required to win the gold there.

"I will be there in a supporting role to help the guys in the road race and it is the same with the Tour of Britain. A lot of guys have ridden for me all year and rather than just stop and say I have won what I wanted to win and go on holiday for six months and get fat, I thought it would be nice to go back there and help the team in those races."

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12674/Wiggins-says-leaving-Team-Sky-might-be-best-for-Cavendishs-career.aspx#ixzz245uH53bZ (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12674/Wiggins-says-leaving-Team-Sky-might-be-best-for-Cavendishs-career.aspx#ixzz245uH53bZ)


Nice to ride for others

not sure the Olympics is the one everyone wants to win but still nice touch to super dom for the team and GB
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on August 20, 2012, 16:50
For a GB rider Olympics > Worlds, at least at the moment.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on August 30, 2012, 09:42
For a GB rider Olympics > Worlds, at least at the moment.

And forgo the chance to spend a season in rainbows?   :fp

Announced this morning that Rapha will become thee official clothing provider for Sky next year (for 4 years), replacing addidas
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on August 30, 2012, 09:43
TEAM SKY CHOOSE RAPHA ON AND OFF THE BIKE
Rapha Performance Roadwear will become the official clothing provider to Sky Pro Cycling from January 2013. Rapha will provide a complete range of clothing and accessories to dress Team Sky – the world’s highest ranked team – both on and off the bike.
As part of the four-year agreement, Rapha will develop a full collection of top-end, high-performance racing and training kit and off-bike dress for both riders and staff. The Rapha offering will also extend to the best selection of riding and fan wear for supporters of Team Sky.
“We are delighted that, after only eight years as a business, we have been chosen by Team Sky, the world’s number one team, as their partner.  We share their passion for performance and team ethic and are enthusiastic to inspire and engage a wider fan base around the globe,”  – Simon Mottram, Founder and Chief Executive of Rapha.
Dave Brailsford, Team Principal of Sky Pro Cycling, said: “Team Sky has achieved this year’s level of success because of a strong and steady vision to find improvement at every level to help our riders win.  I see Rapha joining us next year as another step in that direction. They share our ambition and vision for cycling.”
The full Sky Pro Cycling collection will become available for sale in January 2013 on the global Rapha online store (www.rapha.cc (http://www.rapha.cc)) and at select cycling retailers around the world.
Register to receive updates from Rapha »
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on August 30, 2012, 09:51
TEAM SKY CHOOSE RAPHA ON AND OFF THE BIKE
Rapha Performance Roadwear will become the official clothing provider to Sky Pro Cycling from January 2013. Rapha will provide a complete range of clothing and accessories to dress Team Sky – the world’s highest ranked team – both on and off the bike.
As part of the four-year agreement, Rapha will develop a full collection of top-end, high-performance racing and training kit and off-bike dress for both riders and staff. The Rapha offering will also extend to the best selection of riding and fan wear for supporters of Team Sky.
“We are delighted that, after only eight years as a business, we have been chosen by Team Sky, the world’s number one team, as their partner.  We share their passion for performance and team ethic and are enthusiastic to inspire and engage a wider fan base around the globe,”  – Simon Mottram, Founder and Chief Executive of Rapha.
Dave Brailsford, Team Principal of Sky Pro Cycling, said: “Team Sky has achieved this year’s level of success because of a strong and steady vision to find improvement at every level to help our riders win.  I see Rapha joining us next year as another step in that direction. They share our ambition and vision for cycling.”
The full Sky Pro Cycling collection will become available for sale in January 2013 on the global Rapha online store (www.rapha.cc (http://www.rapha.cc)) and at select cycling retailers around the world.
Register to receive updates from Rapha »

Heading: TEAM SKY CHOOSE RAPHA ON AND OFF THE BIKE
Subheading: Deal clinched with poncey, overpriced, élitist, Fredwear firm gives haters another reason to hate

;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on August 30, 2012, 11:20
And forgo the chance to spend a season in rainbows?   :fp

Announced this morning that Rapha will become thee official clothing provider for Sky next year (for 4 years), replacing addidas

Oh I agree, it sucks. I would much prefer to see Wiggo racing this autumn but this has been the pattern of his career, after he achieves a big goal he has spent years working for he just doesn't give a crap for 6-9 months.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on August 30, 2012, 13:50
Heading: TEAM SKY CHOOSE RAPHA ON AND OFF THE BIKE
Subheading: Deal clinched with poncey, overpriced, élitist, Fredwear firm gives haters another reason to hate

;D

And I thought the Adidas replica jersey was expensive. I'll take their £90 over £140 for a Rapha. Looks like I'm finding another team next season  ::)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on August 30, 2012, 14:27
For a GB rider Olympics > Worlds, at least at the moment.

He said its the one "everyone" wants to win, not the one "I wanted to win".

Though i do agree that olympics, time trial especially is bigger.

Dont get the last sentance, does he think "putting in the  neccesary training" would guarantee gold. Tony Martin is a pretty good time trialist.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on August 30, 2012, 15:29
Heading: TEAM SKY CHOOSE RAPHA ON AND OFF THE BIKE
Subheading: Deal clinched with poncey, overpriced, élitist, Fredwear firm gives haters another reason to hate

;D

well i did say in the spring there was a brand new kit for 2013..

didnt say how much it would be.. :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on August 30, 2012, 17:17
well i did say in the spring there was a brand new kit for 2013..

didnt say how much it would be.. :D

OK, BBC correspondent, surely you brokered a Velorooms discount? Or did we all diss Sky too much in these hallowed threads?

I just hope they don't attempt any of that faux retro silliness.  ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 31, 2012, 11:20
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boasson-hagen-sky-stops-riders-from-talking-about-cavendishs-future (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boasson-hagen-sky-stops-riders-from-talking-about-cavendishs-future)

(http://cdn0.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/07/05/2/pic293060320_220.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on August 31, 2012, 12:19
That is as firm a confirmation as I need, Cav is definitely gone.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on August 31, 2012, 12:31
That is as firm a confirmation as I need, Cav is definitely gone.

Agreed. Much as last year, though, he and the team are keeping their lips sealed out of respect for his new team.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on August 31, 2012, 12:38
That is as firm a confirmation as I need, Cav is definitely gone.
I dont see why it is not just a case of the team focusing on the job at hand rather than being distracted by the media.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on August 31, 2012, 12:43
I dont see why it is not just a case of the team focusing on the job at hand rather than being distracted by the media.

Well... you would think that a clear and concise denial that Cav was going anywhere would be easier for Sky to issue that the continuous drips and drops of Wiggo and EBH making vaguely cryptic comments. Would you be at all surprised if he was in a different jersey next season (and I don't mean the new retro-Rapha design that is forthcoming)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on August 31, 2012, 12:45
Which team out there has the most money and the least chance of contending for the GC at Le Tour 2013? OPQS does seem like a pretty strong contender.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on August 31, 2012, 12:51
Well... you would think that a clear and concise denial that Cav was going anywhere would be easier for Sky to issue that the continuous drips and drops of Wiggo and EBH making vaguely cryptic comments. Would you be at all surprised if he was in a different jersey next season (and I don't mean the new retro-Rapha design that is forthcoming)
Agreed, but I do not think we can see that anything has been concluded just yet.

I personally expect him to go to OPQS but we will have to wait and see, I wonder what Peter Velits thinks of it all?  :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on August 31, 2012, 22:22
Boonen leading out Cav next year?   :police:  ;D

Agree, OPQS does seem like the most likely of destinations.  And whilst that might irritate Peter Velits, imho he's never really shown (since his 3rd in the Vuelta) that he can compete with the best in a GT and therefore warrant 8 other guys riding for him.  Cav > Velits
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on September 01, 2012, 22:36
Boonen leading out Cav next year?   :police:  ;D

Agree, OPQS does seem like the most likely of destinations.  And whilst that might irritate Peter Velits, imho he's never really shown (since his 3rd in the Vuelta) that he can compete with the best in a GT and therefore warrant 8 other guys riding for him.  Cav > Velits
Exact my thoughts, I am sure OPQS really want a rider who can do well GC wise in the Tour and a podium for them there would be dreamland for them... but they would probably if presented with the opportunity to sign Cav say "stuff them all"... as Guaranteed multiple stage wins > Unlikely GC contender.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on September 02, 2012, 16:23
As long as Brian Holm is DS at OPQS, I am almost certain that Cav - if he changes teams - will go to OPQS.
I mean, he even tried to get Holm to Sky by paying his salary himself (but Holm didn't want that): I can't imagine Cav going from Sky to a team that doesn't have Holm as DS.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on September 02, 2012, 20:00
Will OPQS poach Renshaw from Rabobank then? Who is the best pilotfish on that squad as it stands?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: killswitch on September 02, 2012, 20:02
Will OPQS poach Renshaw from Rabobank then? Who is the best pilotfish on that squad as it stands?
Gert Steegmans probably.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 04, 2012, 11:44
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-i-didnt-enjoy-the-tour-de-france (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-i-didnt-enjoy-the-tour-de-france)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on September 04, 2012, 12:13
Ugh. I didn't enjoy Le Tour much either, for much the same reasons.

However, answering a question about Armstrong with a typical Armstrong soundbyte is not good.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on September 04, 2012, 12:20
Gert Steegmans probably.

Steegmans as a minion - er lead out guy for Cav will go down well with IG.   ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on September 09, 2012, 00:13
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-it-cant-work-with-sky (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-it-cant-work-with-sky)

Quote
"It's like a long-distance relationship. Everything's great but you live apart and it can't really work out. You want to be friends and you'd rather the best thing happened so that you can stay close," Cavendish said.
 
He added: "We obviously had ambitions that can't work out. The Tour de France is the hardest sporting event in the world. When you realize that you can't go in with a double-pronged attack…that maybe became apparent at the Tour. I was incredibly proud to be part of the British team that won the yellow jersey with a British rider [Bradley Wiggins]. That was a big thing in my career. Hopefully we can find an amicable solution."

The end is near..

Edit: Video of interview here; (dont know if geo-restricted) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19534076 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19534076)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on September 09, 2012, 12:52
Nigh on impossible to see him there next year.  Having said that, I don't think even buying him out of his contract will be that big an obstacle - sounds like he'd be prepared to put up some of the money himself...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on September 09, 2012, 18:14
Cavendish got a raw deal from Sky.

They got the glory of Cav and he only got 12 victories, no green jersey,  no Olympic medal and unlikely to get the Rainbow one either and no classics or monuments.

Bet he regrets it now, but aint gonna say it. Wait till next year then tear into them.

It will have to be OPQS. No other team there for Cav.


Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Havetts on September 09, 2012, 18:25
Katusha? Now theyve lost their sprinter due to EPO positive and Freire retiring. Theyve got the Russian oil money though. I think Katusha and OPQS are the only ones able and willing to afford Cavendish, and theres always this extra person on your team with Eisel following Cavendish everywhere he goes.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 10, 2012, 09:21
...theres always this extra person on your team with Eisel following Cavendish everywhere he goes.

That said, Havs, I'm sure in one of the write-ups of the interview it mentioned that Sky wanted to keep Bernie and the Latvian soigneur that Cav brought with him from HTC. It's almost certain that's he's off now, though, just the Is to be dotted and the Ts to be crossed.

On a related note... who managed to create this new team in their copy..?

Quote
Rumours have been circulating since the Tour that he is likely to join the Omega-Pharma-Liquigas team

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9530857/Mark-Cavendish-breaks-long-silence-to-confirm-he-wants-a-move-away-from-Team-Sky.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9530857/Mark-Cavendish-breaks-long-silence-to-confirm-he-wants-a-move-away-from-Team-Sky.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 10, 2012, 09:32
That said, Havs, I'm sure in one of the write-ups of the interview it mentioned that Sky wanted to keep Bernie and the Latvian soigneur that Cav brought with him from HTC. It's almost certain that's he's off now, though, just the Is to be dotted and the Ts to be crossed.

On a related note... who managed to create this new team in their copy..?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9530857/Mark-Cavendish-breaks-long-silence-to-confirm-he-wants-a-move-away-from-Team-Sky.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9530857/Mark-Cavendish-breaks-long-silence-to-confirm-he-wants-a-move-away-from-Team-Sky.html)


Daniel Friebe's write up for Cyclingnews on Sat mentions Belgian sources claiming that provisional terms between Cav and OPQS are already agreed - and mentions SKy wanting to keep Bernie and the siogneur
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-it-cant-work-with-sky (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-it-cant-work-with-sky)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 10, 2012, 10:25
They got the glory of Cav and he only got 12 victories, no green jersey,  no Olympic medal and unlikely to get the Rainbow one either and no classics or monuments.

I've just had a look, and he only got 13 victories last year... I accept that those included the Worlds, and don't include the Green Jersey, but he can hardly feel shortchanged by Sky. Regardez:

2011:
Tour of Oman 1 stage
Scheldeprijs
Giro 2 stages, abandons after Stage 12
Tour 5 stages, Green Jersey
London-Surrey Cycle Classic (Olympic Test Event, 1.2, riding for TeamGB)
Tour of Britain 2 stages
World Championships Road Race (riding for TeamGB)

2012
Tour of Qatar 2 stages
Kuurne - Brussel - Kuurne
Tirreno - Adriatico 1 stage
Giro 3 stages, 2nd in points classification, completes all stages
Ster ZLM Tour Overall GC
Tour 3 stages, including record-setting 4th win on the Champs-Élysées
Tour of Denmark 1 stage
Tour of Britain ... tell me you don't think he'll win a stage!

So I make that 11 victories in his HTC jersey last year, and 11 so far in the Sky/Rainbow combination, plus an overall GC.

He's leaving, for sure... but let's not pretend Dave Brailsford has given him a raw deal!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 10, 2012, 10:31
I've just had a look, and he only got 13 victories last year... I accept that those included the Worlds, and don't include the Green Jersey, but he can hardly feel shortchanged by Sky. Regardez:

2011:
Tour of Oman 1 stage
Scheldeprijs
Giro 2 stages, abandons after Stage 12
Tour 5 stages, Green Jersey
London-Surrey Cycle Classic (Olympic Test Event, 1.2, riding for TeamGB)
Tour of Britain 2 stages
World Championships Road Race (riding for TeamGB)

2012
Tour of Qatar 2 stages
Kuurne - Brussel - Kuurne
Tirreno - Adriatico 1 stage
Giro 3 stages, 2nd in points classification, completes all stages
Ster ZLM Tour Overall GC
Tour 3 stages, including record-setting 4th win on the Champs-Élysées
Tour of Denmark 1 stage
Tour of Britain ... tell me you don't think he'll win a stage!

So I make that 11 victories in his HTC jersey last year, and 11 so far in the Sky/Rainbow combination, plus an overall GC.

He's leaving, for sure... but let's not pretend Dave Brailsford has given him a raw deal!


Good injection of facts and common sense there... :tu
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 10, 2012, 10:37
He probably got quite a few victories on his own work where as the last years much less.

But if he had the full team support - Green for sure plus 2 more stages at the tour

Olympics is hard to say really, but if you asked Cav I bet he would fell a little let down, which is stupid because he knew this going in - but I think Benno´s point is Sky gained more out the deal and Cav lost
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on September 10, 2012, 10:57
Reading the newspaper this morning, this caught my eye:
Quote
Telegraph Sport understands that there are no ’buy-out’ or penalty clauses in the contract and that Cavendish will simply be asking that Brailsford and Sky, as an act of good faith, release him from his contract, which has two years to run, so he is free to race elsewhere next year. In that event Omega Pharma-Quick Step would be strong favourites to secure his signature.

No buy-out clause?  If that's true, then it makes it far easier for OPQS or whoever else to afford him...  I would have thought that these things were written into the contracts for definite - think Wiggins leaving Garmin, Canc leaving Saxo.  Bit of an own goal for Sky if it is true.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 10, 2012, 11:00
Reading the newspaper this morning, this caught my eye:
No buy-out clause?  If that's true, then it makes it far easier for OPQS or whoever else to afford him...  I would have thought that these things were written into the contracts for definite - think Wiggins leaving Garmin, Canc leaving Saxo.  Bit of an own goal for Sky if it is true.


or not

DB maybe saw this coming  ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 10, 2012, 11:18
He probably got quite a few victories on his own work where as the last years much less.

But if he had the full team support - Green for sure plus 2 more stages at the tour

Olympics is hard to say really, but if you asked Cav I bet he would fell a little let down, which is stupid because he knew this going in - but I think Benno´s point is Sky gained more out the deal and Cav lost


Worth remembering that in the process his salary went up from 750k pa (HTC) to 2m...and that's now his base for negotiations with next team...

Being able to beat Sagan for Green this year if he'd had full support....that's debatable, with Sagan's ability to be able to pick up points at times when Cav wouldnt have stood a chance, but still always be there in the mix of a bunch sprint...hmmm...

(and I'm a big Cav fan)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on September 10, 2012, 12:36
I've just had a look, and he only got 13 victories last year... I accept that those included the Worlds, and don't include the Green Jersey, but he can hardly feel shortchanged by Sky. Regardez:

2011:
Tour of Oman 1 stage
Scheldeprijs
Giro 2 stages, abandons after Stage 12
Tour 5 stages, Green Jersey
London-Surrey Cycle Classic (Olympic Test Event, 1.2, riding for TeamGB)
Tour of Britain 2 stages
World Championships Road Race (riding for TeamGB)

2012
Tour of Qatar 2 stages
Kuurne - Brussel - Kuurne
Tirreno - Adriatico 1 stage
Giro 3 stages, 2nd in points classification, completes all stages
Ster ZLM Tour Overall GC
Tour 3 stages, including record-setting 4th win on the Champs-Élysées
Tour of Denmark 1 stage
Tour of Britain ... tell me you don't think he'll win a stage!

So I make that 11 victories in his HTC jersey last year, and 11 so far in the Sky/Rainbow combination, plus an overall GC.

He's leaving, for sure... but let's not pretend Dave Brailsford has given him a raw deal!

2011 he wins a rainbow and a green jersey.

2012 has not equalled that. I consider that short changed. Considering he was supposed to win a Gold and a Green.

Yes he won a rainbow with basically a sky team, which i am sure they did not let him forget and hence used to get him to sign with sky no doubt assuring him a gold.

I doubt in Cav's career he will look back at 2012 as one of his better years.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 10, 2012, 12:40
I doubt in Cav's career he will look back at 2012 as one of his better years.

I strongly suspect you're right. 2012 has been a year of frustration and nearly-moments (the Giro, especially) for Cav.

Definitely time for him to move on and blitz next season (are the Worlds going to be flat next year? It's Florence, right? So right near where Cav's Italian base is...)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on September 10, 2012, 12:46
If Eisel doesn't go it has to be because Sky is offering greater Classics freedom. Without Flecha, that leaves Thomas, Hayman and Stannard as the handsome cobblers. Which would presumably mean a step up for any of them.

Meanwhile Cataldo leaving OPQS suggests that the latter has no GC interests at all in 2013, except perhaps a free hand given to Velits to just follow moves as best he can in the mountains. I say this because Leipheimer might end up being a write-off if USADA has anything to do with it.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 10, 2012, 16:17
Benotti, L'arriviste: thinking about it, you're probably right - more lows than highs for Cav this year, he's not achieved the biggest goals he had for himself, and no, 2012 wont rank up there for him.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on September 10, 2012, 19:03
I strongly suspect you're right. 2012 has been a year of frustration and nearly-moments (the Giro, especially) for Cav.

Definitely time for him to move on and blitz next season (are the Worlds going to be flat next year? It's Florence, right? So right near where Cav's Italian base is...)
Worlds are going to be way out of Cav's reach as far as I know.

His aims will really vary depending on his team. At OPQS he will have a team built around him at the Tour and GTs but that may not be the case for the classics and some stage races. The opposite may be said if somehow goes to somewhere like Katusha or Rabo. Tbh there really is not much choice other than OPQS atm which would mean a crack at the green jersey of mountaineous route and a Giro ride will most likely be his primary goals.

He has been unlucky at classics but that will not be allowed to continue at a team with such a strong classics base and with such a classics pedigree as OPQS there will be no room for the Cav theatrics of the past couple of years when it comes to the cobbles.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 11, 2012, 09:31
Quote
Failing to define his six runners for World Championship team time, the case of early Sky block for Circuit Franco Belgian, the Giro Piemonte and Lombardy.

In Lombardy, WorldTour Classic last September 29, the British set a great team announced: the winner of the Tour de France Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome, Rigoberto Uran more, Sergio Henao, Richie Porte, Peter Kennaugh and Danny Pate.

Giro For Piemonte (September 27), Chris Froome, Rigoberto Uran, Sergio Henao and Richie Porte will be accompanied by Peter Kennaugh, Davide Martinelli, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Montréal GP winner, and Danny Pate.

And the Circuit Franco-Belgian (27-30 September), the Sky will introduce the following riders: Michael Barry, Edvald Boasson Hagen, Juan Antonio Flecha, Michael Rogers, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas

GT

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=55438 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=55438)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 11, 2012, 10:00
Stolen from the BBC's live sports text update ticker page.

Quote
British cycling's performance director Dave Brailsford has been talking to BBC Sport about Mark Cavendish's desire for an "amicable" split from Team Sky.

Brailsford said: "Mark and I have known each other a long time. We all want the best for each other - let's not forget I've got the role of British cycling performance director as well as Team Sky principal and my interest is in seeing all GB riders perform to the best of their abilities in the right environment. There's no issues really."
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 11, 2012, 10:05
GT

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=55438 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=55438)


Strong team for the Italian races. Tempted to go to watch Lombardia, such a beautiful race
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 11, 2012, 10:07
Stolen from the BBC's live sports text update ticker page.

ie he is out of here
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 11, 2012, 10:19
Strong team for the Italian races. Tempted to go to watch Lombardia, such a beautiful race

Well, a strong team which includes Froomey - who is cooked - and Wiggo - who has already mentally finished his season. I'm not sure who else the parcours would suit... maybe Froome will work for Henao or Uran after their work in Spain?

ie he is out of here

Ha - indeed. Which makes me question the BBC's definition of news. Let's hear nothing more about it until the picture of Cav and Brian Holm - holding the new, rainbow trimmed OPQS jersey - appears in a few weeks time (I appreciate that this sort of photo is a football thing, but you know what I mean ;) )
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 11, 2012, 10:24
Well, a strong team which includes Froomey - who is cooked - and Wiggo - who has already mentally finished his season. I'm not sure who else the parcours would suit... maybe Froome will work for Henao or Uran after their work in Spain?

Ha - indeed. Which makes me question the BBC's definition of news. Let's hear nothing more about it until the picture of Cav and Brian Holm - holding the new, rainbow trimmed OPQS jersey - appears in a few weeks time (I appreciate that this sort of photo is a football thing, but you know what I mean ;) )

Plus non of the Italian races are for single pace climbers

Uran and Henao should be the leaders will do much better than Froome and Wiggans 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 11, 2012, 10:47
Plus non of the Italian races are for single pace climbers

Uran and Henao should be the leaders will do much better than Froome and Wiggans


Yeah, that's what I'm thinking - the Colombians. Froome and Wiggo to help out.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 11, 2012, 10:50
Well, a strong team which includes Froomey - who is cooked - and Wiggo - who has already mentally finished his season. I'm not sure who else the parcours would suit... maybe Froome will work for Henao or Uran after their work in Spain?

Ha - indeed. Which makes me question the BBC's definition of news. Let's hear nothing more about it until the picture of Cav and Brian Holm - holding the new, rainbow trimmed OPQS jersey - appears in a few weeks time (I appreciate that this sort of photo is a football thing, but you know what I mean ;) )


Quite. The BBC are acting this week like they're on to some hot exclusive ???
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on September 11, 2012, 11:02
So after ToB is Cav finished for this season?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 11, 2012, 11:15
Well, you never know, Brailsford might dispatch him to the Tour of Beijing as a farewell present ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on September 11, 2012, 11:48
Well, you never know, Brailsford might dispatch him to the Tour of Beijing as a farewell present ;D

Brailsford aint stupid. There might be a flattish World champs coming in a few years.

How long before Cav is spotted riding a Cipollini or a Venge in Lucca, Tuscany? ::)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 11, 2012, 12:22
So after ToB is Cav finished for this season?

I was looking at Team Sky's remaining races... Cav has still never won Paris - Tours, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him there. ToB will certainly be the last Sky/Rainbows combination with Cav inside it.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on September 11, 2012, 15:40
So after ToB is Cav finished for this season?
Well he is going to the Worlds...

But after that probably just Paris Tours as Cj says he is always determined to go for that particular race. I doubt he will go to Beijing but we will have to wait and see

Well, a strong team which includes Froomey - who is cooked - and Wiggo - who has already mentally finished his season. I'm not sure who else the parcours would suit... maybe Froome will work for Henao or Uran after their work in Spain?


Dont underestimate Wiggins. Even in substandard mental frameset and form he still carries a threat with his massive engine and as he showed today in the TOB he is prepared to give his all for his team mates and really make an impact. I think many will be surprised with his form come the Worlds, just because he is not doing the TT people consider him to be lax and not to be truly caring, but it seems like Wiggins has turned a new leaf at least from the signs so far in the TOB and he seem to be truly determined to make it work. We will see how strong he is later this week, but I have a feeling that he is stronger than many expect.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 11, 2012, 15:51
I would love to see Wiggo do well at the Worlds - I would never underestimate his strength, but all the sounds coming from his camp suggest that he won't compete. That's not to say he won't work 100% for someone else. I guess we need to wait for the final list to come out of TeamGB HQ.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 11, 2012, 15:54
I would love to see Wiggo do well at the Worlds - I would never underestimate his strength, but all the sounds coming from his camp suggest that he won't compete. That's not to say he won't work 100% for someone else. I guess we need to wait for the final list to come out of TeamGB HQ.

How is Wiggo going to compete at a up-hill sprint then hold with 1.7 km to go for a sprint

it is just not his bag
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 11, 2012, 16:26
it is just not his bag

If I had photoshop in front of me right now, I would so definitely mock up a photo of Wiggo as Austin Powers saying that! Maybe when I get home (*counting down the minutes till I can leave*)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on September 11, 2012, 18:16
Saw the quote from DB as well, about him being both head of British Cycling and Sky.  Surely there is a conflict of interest there?  With his Sky hat on, he probably isn't too fussed if Cav goes - simplifies their  GT ambitions for the future.  But from a British point of view, he presumably would want Cav under his/Sky's control so that for the greater good of British Cycling they can monitor his fitness and form and so on - i.e. like they did before the Olympics (as it's fair to assume that had Cav been elsewhere he wouldn't have been able to prioritise it quite so much I don't think).  That said though, next Olympics aren't for 4 years, and  unlikely to be a Cav friendly WC course like Copenhagen any time soon, so presumably Brailsford's Sky hat will win...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on September 11, 2012, 18:27
Like Warwickshire, England and the King of Spain.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 11, 2012, 18:55
Told you I would...

(http://media.winewithoutfrontiers.com/notmybag.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 12, 2012, 10:11
Saw the quote from DB as well, about him being both head of British Cycling and Sky.  Surely there is a conflict of interest there?  With his Sky hat on, he probably isn't too fussed if Cav goes - simplifies their  GT ambitions for the future.  But from a British point of view, he presumably would want Cav under his/Sky's control so that for the greater good of British Cycling they can monitor his fitness and form and so on - i.e. like they did before the Olympics (as it's fair to assume that had Cav been elsewhere he wouldn't have been able to prioritise it quite so much I don't think).  That said though, next Olympics aren't for 4 years, and  unlikely to be a Cav friendly WC course like Copenhagen any time soon, so presumably Brailsford's Sky hat will win...


Dont see a conflict of interest at all, personally. To date, Cav being in another team hasnt hindered what he's achieved for GB and British Cycling. The Worlds was won last year with Cav at HTC during all of the 3 years building up to it.  Rod Ellingworth has always been his coach since Cav left the Academy, and will no doubt remain so given that Cav regards him as the best coach in the world. I take your point about the Olympics and the advantage for him being at Sky this year, but this was an exceptional year - and I suspect a lesson all round about the lottery that is the Oly RR for 5 guys to try to control - I doubt Brailsford and Ellingworth will try to do that again.
Looking back to last year and the run up to the Worlds, Cav was even extra miles behind the moto with Ellingworth after stages of ToB which Cav was riding with HTC. 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 13, 2012, 09:01

(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/09/09/2/smiling_wiggins_leaves_sign_on_220.jpg)


Life of Tour de France and Olympic champion coming to the big screen

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wigginss-achievements-set-to-become-a-hollywood-film (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wigginss-achievements-set-to-become-a-hollywood-film)

lead actor

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Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on September 13, 2012, 09:28
(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/09/09/2/smiling_wiggins_leaves_sign_on_220.jpg)


Life of Tour de France and Olympic champion coming to the big screen

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wigginss-achievements-set-to-become-a-hollywood-film (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wigginss-achievements-set-to-become-a-hollywood-film)

lead actor

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 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Never gonna happen. Usual nonsense courtesy of the Daily Express...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 13, 2012, 09:40
I just hope it doesn't happen... at least not with Rhys Ifans. Otherwise I'll spend the rest of my days with a mental image of Bradley Wiggins in his underpants on a doorstep in Notting Hill. :fp

And I won't be photoshopping that, so don't worry!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on September 17, 2012, 19:13
I'm starting to believe that Brailsford is a bit like human marmite, you either love him or you hate him.  His latest interview:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9547064/Dave-Brailsford-wants-to-give-Team-Sky-a-home-as-he-eyes-yet-more-British-cycling-success.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9547064/Dave-Brailsford-wants-to-give-Team-Sky-a-home-as-he-eyes-yet-more-British-cycling-success.html)

My 'favourite' bits: 
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If you’re trying to hydrate people, don’t give them water to drink, give them flavoured water. It tastes better, so they’ll drink more

If you say so Dave.   :tu

Regarding the dark days of the past,
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In those days,” he says, “the way to get a competitive advantage was to know a lot about pharmacology, be brilliant with logistics — how to move it around. Once you take that out, what do you do now?
"Fortunately, at around that time, we came along, and our background was in sports science and coaching.

:woohoo  Sky to the rescue! :woohoo

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He is already thinking of creating a permanent base for Team Sky that will throw its doors open to the public...You can go to Chelsea, and see their shop, and see their stadium,” he says. “You can’t go and see Team Sky, or Rabobank – not that you’d want to see Rabobank. It’s time that we came together and had a coaching base, similar to what we’ve had in British cycling, where you pull together expertise in a single location. We’re trying to create a home where people can come and see Team Sky.

So kind of like a service course which have been around for years Dave?  But with added laboratories and the ability to hold pressconferences to smack talk Rabo?

A women's team? 
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Brailsford indicates that a British women’s road team may well be in the pipeline.
“As it currently exists,” he explains, “you’ve got Laura Trott, Jo Rowsell and Dani King, then you’ve got three or four very good Welsh riders...There’s a development model, and we’ve identified it as potentially an area where we could do something
 

Ok, we all know that trackies can transfer successfully onto the road, but seems a bit ridiculous to be overlooking the current and perfectly capable current crop of British female road cyclists.  I mean, Armitstead is only 23 for goodness sake.  Seems a bit half-arsed to me, but then we'll see what happens in the future. 

And finally,
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No longer is his ambition to create merely the world’s greatest bike team, but the world’s greatest sports team.

You're welcome   ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on September 18, 2012, 09:24
And in the same paper...

Bradley Wiggins wants to invest in a cycling team for Britain's women

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9549351/Bradley-Wiggins-wants-to-invest-in-a-cycling-team-for-Britains-women.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9549351/Bradley-Wiggins-wants-to-invest-in-a-cycling-team-for-Britains-women.html)

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“I would like to help form a women’s team although at the moment I don’t know how to go about that,” Wiggins said.

“I have no idea what it would cost but it would be something I would be willing to put in some of my own money in to start up. It would have to be all or nothing, though, I wouldn’t want to be involved in a tuppence-ha’penny team. It would have to be a full-on set up.

“I just have an amazing respect for what our women do. They are the forgotten ones in the sport and yet they have just as big a success as we do with the men."
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2012, 11:28
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=56292 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=56292)

GT

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The general manager Dave Brailsford's Team Sky has given the alternative to Jonathan Tiernan-Locke (1984) and winner of the Tour of Britain will compete in the elite next year with the number one team in the world.

Brailsford confirms the overall philosophy: "At Team Sky we are determined that the best British talent have the opportunity to compete at the highest level of our sport. We have closely followed the progress of Jonathan and we are delighted to offer this contract" he says.

Undoubtedly the Sky in 2012 has had the top three British cyclists today, Bradley Wiggins (1980), Mark Cavendish (1985) and Chris Froome (1985). And within it polishes those who come, Geraint Thomas (1986), Ben Swfit (1987), Ian Stannard (1987), Alex Dowsett (1988) and Luke Rowe (1990).

With them comes Tiernan-Locke, spectacular in 2012, with victories in the Tour of the Mediterranean, the Tour Haur-Var, the Tour Alsace and icing on the Tour of Britain, and was second in the Tour of Murcia after Nairo Quintana . "He has worked hard to get where he is today and deserves his chance to compete against the best riders in the world," said Brailsford. "Next season will be a great opportunity for him. Believe that this is the right place to achieve their full potential and are looking forward to have him on the team," he added.

A handful of riders with projection, however, have not come so far in school the Sky, as Adam Blythe (1989), in the BMC, or Andrew Fenn (1990), in the Omega Pharma-Quick Step outside more veterans like David Millar (Garmin) or Stephen Cummins (BMC).

rant

But Dave what about the women ?

If Sky want to be a truly British team they should have a womens team as well me thinks

ORGE has and they market themselves as the Australian pro team 

It just sh*ts me the way the British women are getting treated or seem to be treated by the Sky cycling machine - track and Road

rant over
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on October 10, 2012, 12:18
This seems to keep on going around in circles.  If Sky the sponsor arent interested in an senior pro womens team, that's it, DB cant hive off part of the budget from the mens team  People can rant all they like but thems the facts. There are plenty of other mens teams with no equivalent womens teams. Its unfortunate but thats the situation.

Besides, considering the criticism DB and his management team get right now from a number of quarters, why on earth are those same quarters calling for him to set up a womens team?  To enable double the grief to be dished out? ???
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2012, 12:23
This seems to keep on going around in circles.  If Sky the sponsor arent interested in an senior pro womens team, that's it, DB cant hive off part of the budget from the mens team  People can rant all they like but thems the facts. There are plenty of other mens teams with no equivalent womens teams. Its unfortunate but thats the situation.

Besides, considering the criticism DB and his management team get right now from a number of quarters, why on earth are those same quarters calling for him to set up a womens team?  To enable double the grief to be dished out? ???

Where has Sky said nope we do not want to sponsor a womens RR team ?

I have the same issue with BMC not having a womens team even if they do have an under 23 now and MTB team - women cycling needs it

as for the other issues you speak of - unlikely womens cycling seems a different beast
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on October 10, 2012, 12:26
Where has Sky said nope we do not want to sponsor a womens RR team ?

Conversely where have they said that they can.

They can only sponsor one when they have the funds available to do so, and currently we have seen no indication of those funds being available. True DB can push it with the sponsors , but is it really worth it?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2012, 12:32
Conversely where have they said that they can.

They can only sponsor one when they have the funds available to do so, and currently we have seen no indication of those funds being available. True DB can push it with the sponsors , but is it really worth it?

is it worth it ?

Seriously is it worth supporting British women Road riders and being truly the British team

is it worth it ?

Is it better the Emma Pooley goes back to her PHD

is it worth it ?

How much do you extra do you think it would cost

10 % of the mens budget maybe

is it worth it ?

How much good publicity would it bring - a shed load more than the extra cost

is it worth it

really ? disappointing

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on October 10, 2012, 12:35
is it worth it ?

Seriously is it worth supporting British women Road riders and being truly the British team

is it worth it ?

Is it better the Emma Pooley goes back to her PHD

is it worth it ?

How much do you extra do you think it would cost

10 % of the mens budget maybe

is it worth it ?

How much good publicity would it bring - a shed load more than the extra cost

is it worth it

really ? disappointing
True- question I was asking is it worth DB pushing it with the sponsors from his point of view.

Your points still stand though and I do agree, but it is more difficult when dealing with the sponsors, maybe he has approached Sky?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on October 10, 2012, 12:38
is it worth it ?

Seriously is it worth supporting British women Road riders and being truly the British team

is it worth it ?

Is it better the Emma Pooley goes back to her PHD

is it worth it ?

How much do you extra do you think it would cost

10 % of the mens budget maybe

is it worth it ?

How much good publicity would it bring - a shed load more than the extra cost

is it worth it

really ? disappointing


From a sponsorship point of view, maybe not, but considering the amount they must be sh*tting around, they could easily. If MTN Qhubeka with a budget of 3 mill could
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2012, 12:48
maybe a better question is what don´t Sky provide money re British cycling ?

all Olympic cycling

WC mens and womens road

Track mens and Womens

Road - Sky mens team

have no idea about MTB or para Olympic programs

but see the hole 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on October 10, 2012, 13:00
They definitely support GB MTB too. but only the team GB, not a separate team as would be the case ehre. It would be a cost thing, and that would take away from signing every person who could climb.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on October 10, 2012, 13:13
The problem with one sponsor pouring so much into the sport in a single country is that there's always going to be a demand for them to do everything. I've seen demands for them to sponsor British races.  I mean, where does it stop?

I dont know why Sky dont seem to have the appetite to sponsor an elite pro womens team. 

But what I do know it that it seems strange that on one hand Brailsford and his management team get criticised like crazy for being sexist/not being 'fit' to run womens cycling teams (see criticism of handling of Pendleton and Pooley) and yet still looked to, to set up a team.  Make up your minds: are they fit to manage a womens road team, or not?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on October 10, 2012, 13:26
Sky are looking into the possibliity of a road team, but say they wont make a rush decision.

personally im against the idea. i would rather they put the money into womens race sponsorship, tv coverage of womens racing. etc
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on October 10, 2012, 13:34
Sky are looking into the possibliity of a road team, but say they wont make a rush decision.

personally im against the idea. i would rather they put the money into womens race sponsorship, tv coverage of womens racing. etc

I wonder whether the TV coverage is an issue for them. As far as I know, Sky don't broadcast any live cycling, and I suspect so long as Eurosport are in the picture, are unlikely to. I can't see there being a huge market for domestic races for men or women.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on October 10, 2012, 13:40
There is an increasing market though for International cycling though, and that maybe something which they could consider rivaling Eurosport- who are not considered the best in the business- for.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on October 10, 2012, 13:43
Improve the shoitehouse golf coverage and maintain the cricket before getting on to cycling. Mind, if they pinch Laidlaw or Donnelly, I'd go apesh*t.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on October 10, 2012, 13:56
There is an increasing market though for International cycling though, and that maybe something which they could consider rivaling Eurosport- who are not considered the best in the business- for.

No absolutely, but ES serves the whole of the European market including those places with a long and traditional cycling following. Sky would only be serving the UK market which - growing though it might be - is still not huge. Just watch - with the Tour and the Olympics out of the way, cycling will quietly drop from the press until next June. May, perhaps, if Wiggo takes on the Giro.

Besides which, and correct me if I'm wrong, Eurosport is only available in the UK to Sky subscribers. Unless - like me - you pay the £3 a month direct to them and thus gain access to their online streaming. But it means that Sky benefit commercially from the growing interest in international cycling without having to make any outlay.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on October 10, 2012, 13:59
3 quid a flipping month? That's bloody robbery.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on October 10, 2012, 14:12
I wonder whether the TV coverage is an issue for them. As far as I know, Sky don't broadcast any live cycling, and I suspect so long as Eurosport are in the picture, are unlikely to. I can't see there being a huge market for domestic races for men or women.

my thoughts being, if they have some spare money to put into womens cycling, rather than putting a million pounds (which is chicken feed to sky) into creating a womans team, i would rather see them looking at others ways to put money into the sport. They could sponsor the entire womens tour series for very little, i dont know what it would cost them to sponsor a race, but when you bear in mind how much the winner of the womens gent wevelgem for instance costs, sky could probably be a main sponsor of about ten races for that million remembering they arent just in the british market but italy ,germany etc.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on October 10, 2012, 14:35
3 quid a flipping month? That's bloody robbery.

That depends on how much I watch it! And compares extremely favourably to the cost of a Sky subscription - the latter also having the downside of lining Murdoch's grimy pockets.

my thoughts being, if they have some spare money to put into womens cycling, rather than putting a million pounds (which is chicken feed to sky) into creating a womans team, i would rather see them looking at others ways to put money into the sport. They could sponsor the entire womens tour series for very little, i dont know what it would cost them to sponsor a race, but when you bear in mind how much the winner of the womens gent wevelgem for instance costs, sky could probably be a main sponsor of about ten races for that million remembering they arent just in the british market but italy ,germany etc.

I quite agree - I'd forgotten they had fingers in those particular continental pies.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Rolling Along on October 10, 2012, 15:15
No absolutely, but ES serves the whole of the European market including those places with a long and traditional cycling following. Sky would only be serving the UK market which - growing though it might be - is still not huge. Just watch - with the Tour and the Olympics out of the way, cycling will quietly drop from the press until next June. May, perhaps, if Wiggo takes on the Giro.

Besides which, and correct me if I'm wrong, Eurosport is only available in the UK to Sky subscribers. Unless - like me - you pay the £3 a month direct to them and thus gain access to their online streaming. But it means that Sky benefit commercially from the growing interest in international cycling without having to make any outlay.


I'm not so sure about that.  Wiggins has just been voted UK's 'Most Influential Man', by a mens website polling 10k Brit guys, apparently. Everything he does gets media coverage. His new autobiography's out in Nov. He's fav to win SPOTY.  I dont think his popularity is a flash in the pan.  Cav might not get so much atention but his goings on are still getting press coverage.  Autumn's going to see the Revolution series shown on ITV4 again, I believe, and I bet it gets higher viewing figures that last season's series.

Hell, even the the Tour of Beijing got a mention in the sports pages of the Times today. Might only have been a 2 inch write up but a non-GT/non-ToB race - and one without Wiggo or Cav riding...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on October 10, 2012, 15:32
You're right, RA, at least I hope you are.

I'd love to see cycling become as common in the sports news as other sports (let's leave Football out of this for the moment). I suppose the new London cycle classic will help to keep eyes on cycling in the UK in the summer, alongside the Tour of Britain.

I'll think positive, and I agree that having Wiggo and Cav in the public eye will help keep the rest of the sport's profile high. I'm just not confident enough that it will be a high enough profile over the winter to register above the noise of football and all its January transfer melee, Six Nations rugby and whatever winter tour our Cricket team will be doing. Here's hoping, though :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on October 10, 2012, 21:08
Sky are looking into the possibliity of a road team, but say they wont make a rush decision.

personally im against the idea. i would rather they put the money into womens race sponsorship, tv coverage of womens racing. etc
my thoughts being, if they have some spare money to put into womens cycling, rather than putting a million pounds (which is chicken feed to sky) into creating a womans team, i would rather see them looking at others ways to put money into the sport. They could sponsor the entire womens tour series for very little, i dont know what it would cost them to sponsor a race, but when you bear in mind how much the winner of the womens gent wevelgem for instance costs, sky could probably be a main sponsor of about ten races for that million remembering they arent just in the british market but italy ,germany etc.

These.  More professional women's teams would be fantastic, be they sponsored by Sky/BMC or whoever, but the issues are far deeper than that.  That is where the investment and re-structuring needs to go.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on October 21, 2012, 14:16
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220787/Bradley-Wiggins-accused-signing-abusive-Cayman-Islands-tax-avoidance-scheme-Bill-Roache.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220787/Bradley-Wiggins-accused-signing-abusive-Cayman-Islands-tax-avoidance-scheme-Bill-Roache.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on October 25, 2012, 11:08
So if Wiggins does the Giro, what will his 2013 race programme look like.  As I recall he has indicated he'll probably not do Paris Nice, will he need to be T-A in 'racing to win' form.  Would Pais Vasco come in to the reckoning - would he ride the Ardennes?  Would Romandie (with a similar parcours to 2012) actually offer anything useful?

If he does have his sights on a career Grand Tour Grand Slam (and gets part 2 next May) but races the 2013 Tour to support Froome, could we see him turn up at Paris Roubaix in 2014, tour as superdom and Vuelta as leader (that Unipublic/ASO suddenly decide needs to be TT heavy)?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on October 25, 2012, 11:13
I think Pais Vasco is more likely than the Ardennes. Neither suits his style particularly well but Sky suddenly have an embarrassment of riches in the hilly classics department. If Wiggo does ride the Ardennes I'd expect it to be in support of JTL, EBH, Uran and Henao.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on October 25, 2012, 11:20
I wasnt thinking he would contend in Ardennes week, just ride in support and as prep for anything punchy at Il Giro.

Also if he does have a tilt at the cobbles in 2014, I hope he gives RvV a proper run as well.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on October 25, 2012, 11:52
I would really love to see him go at Roubaix but I think he'd have to put on a bit more weight.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on October 25, 2012, 12:17
I would really love to see him go at Roubaix but I think he'd have to put on a bit more weight.

Yeah,  but I suppose he can take some inspiration from Vansummeren,  another stickman that performs well in this race.

And I hope Stannard gets a proper go at this race now That Flecha has gone.



Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on October 25, 2012, 14:56
And I hope Stannard gets a proper go at this race now That Flecha has gone.

Noo, gotta do unlimited turns on the front for EBH to come 20th!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on October 25, 2012, 16:24
Unconfirmed reports that Jullich is leaving Sky

confirmed http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_8194069,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_8194069,00.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on October 25, 2012, 16:34
He should walk into another job - perhaps with Garmin (or follow LPN to Rabo?)- if the credit given to him as one of Sky's Race Coaches is legit...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on October 25, 2012, 16:37
So Julich is 1. Still waiting for Yates and Rodgers...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Kvinto on October 25, 2012, 16:38
Let the window-dressing begin  ::)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on October 25, 2012, 16:56
Well talk turns to action..

Once again the no win situation Sky have put themselves in just gets emphasises, they would have been criticised if they had done nothing and criticised if they let someone such as Julich go.

From what I have hard of his work at Sky, this is certainly a big blow to the team and he will be difficult to replace.

Though not in the Dark side, it does show that Sky's policy does not in fact support omerta as much as some people seem to claim.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on October 27, 2012, 13:33
Another nail in the Froome/Sky coffin?

Julich and him were reportedly close.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Kvinto on October 27, 2012, 20:48
Maybe I overlooked it and the article was posted before. In fact his position is not something brand new but anyway - Jonathan Vaughters on Sky's anti-doping declaration:

http://road.cc/content/news/69320-team-skys-anti-doping-declaration-wont-work-insists-jonathan-vaughters (http://road.cc/content/news/69320-team-skys-anti-doping-declaration-wont-work-insists-jonathan-vaughters)
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“It’s just not the correct course for them to try and change history,” he told the Telegraph. “They would be better served by realising that people of that generation do have a lot to commit and contribute.

 “Dave [Brailsford] has stepped into a sport that has 100 years of history and those 100 years sadly include some generations when the testing was not on a par with the doping and that the rules were unable to be enforced properly, because the science didn’t exist to do that. The drugs were so effective that the whole dynamic of the peloton was being manipulated.

“It’s just so difficult to ever figure out if a person signing the paper is telling the truth or not and it runs the risk of forcing people into a situation where they have to lie.

“You are given a piece of paper and told to sign and if we find out you were lying, then you are sacked. But if you don’t sign it you are sacked as well. You are pushing people towards dishonesty. I appreciate the idealism but it just feels like it is twisting a little bit more towards forcing people to be dishonest.


Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on October 27, 2012, 20:53
But at the same time you can argue that you are forcing them to be honest as well.

(just attempting to give an objective view :P)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Kvinto on October 27, 2012, 20:56
Yeah, be honest = be sacked, makes total sense  ???
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on October 27, 2012, 20:58
Well, it does not make sense but it may nevertheless have an impact on members of the team to own up and well that is a good thing.. isn't it? :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 27, 2012, 21:03
Only is they do ofc

then it is just stupid  :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on October 27, 2012, 22:53
Only is they do ofc

then it is just stupid  :D

So it works seemingly  :D

Yates previously denies it straight out, now admits according to Sunday Telegraph

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6PhJVACMAAM4v-.jpg:large)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: barrus on October 27, 2012, 23:16
De Jongh is also gone from Sky
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9638483/Sean-Yates-loses-job-at-Sky-as-Dave-Brailsfords-doping-cull-continues.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9638483/Sean-Yates-loses-job-at-Sky-as-Dave-Brailsfords-doping-cull-continues.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on October 27, 2012, 23:31
 It is thought that Sky have now interviewed all of their current riders, and that all will sign the declaration. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9638457/Sean-Yates-fate-proves-Team-Sky-will-show-no-mercy-in-doping-cull.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on October 30, 2012, 12:39
Froome's initial calandar for 2013 (initially reported by L'Equipe)

Algave
Criterium International
Romandie
Dauphine

with the possibility of adding Paris Nice and/or Pais Vasco

italian link (GT) (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spaziociclismo.it%2F&act=url)
french link (GT) (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyclismactu.net%2Fnews-saison-2013_chris-froome-devoile-deja-son-programme-28563.html&act=url)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on October 30, 2012, 12:44
Some thoughts on possible new DS candidates for Sky Spazio (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spaziociclismo.it%2F&act=url)

McGee
Piva
Lloyd
Hammond

Has Brian Smith got a significant role in Netapp-Endura? perhaps he could be a candidate...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 30, 2012, 12:51
Brad took a job in NSWIS and probably will get Whites OZ job so I would count him off the list - he moved back to OZ for family reason

Edit I do not think Smith likes the Sky guys so would not count him in
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on October 30, 2012, 12:57
Brad took a job in NSWIS and probably will get Whites OZ job so I would count him off the list - he moved back to OZ for family reason

Edit I do not think Smith likes the Sky guys so would not count him in

Yeah Spazio acknowledge the McGee just took a job - only posted the article to stimulate debate.  I mentioned Smith as he has the clean credentials and could be of help in the transition of JTL to the 'Majors'

There arent really any obivious candidates - if Arvesen has signed the pledge could he step up?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on October 30, 2012, 16:14
Has Brian Smith got a significant role in Netapp-Endura? perhaps he could be a candidate...

Would they run the risk of going ex-Motorola again though?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on October 30, 2012, 17:05
Smith has been on the end of Armstrong's nasty side in the past, so unlikely he was ever involved in that sort of thing.  As this article makes clear, his promise to his dad meant a hell of a lot to him.  No idea if he'd take a job at Sky, but his past is ok I think.  Would be a shame if he did get a job because I like his commentary  :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2216492/Lance-Armstrong-latest-Brian-Smith-told-cyclist-hed-drugs-sacked.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2216492/Lance-Armstrong-latest-Brian-Smith-told-cyclist-hed-drugs-sacked.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on October 30, 2012, 17:07
Alex Dowsett joins Movistar...

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/21684/8212773/Movistar-sign-Team-Sky-rider-Alex-Dowsett-on-two-year-contract (http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/21684/8212773/Movistar-sign-Team-Sky-rider-Alex-Dowsett-on-two-year-contract)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on October 31, 2012, 10:46
Smith has been on the end of Armstrong's nasty side in the past, so unlikely he was ever involved in that sort of thing.  As this article makes clear, his promise to his dad meant a hell of a lot to him.  No idea if he'd take a job at Sky, but his past is ok I think.  Would be a shame if he did get a job because I like his commentary  :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2216492/Lance-Armstrong-latest-Brian-Smith-told-cyclist-hed-drugs-sacked.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2216492/Lance-Armstrong-latest-Brian-Smith-told-cyclist-hed-drugs-sacked.html)

I think this somewhat illustrates the limitations of Sky's bridge burning policy.

He seems to be a stand-up guy but does he really have the depth of knowledge and experience to be a WT DS?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on October 31, 2012, 11:05
An interview with Patrick Lefevere on Cav's move, courtesy of CyclingNews.

Lefevere to build Tour de France team around Cavendish (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefevere-to-build-tour-de-france-team-around-cavendish)

I particularly like this little throwaway line:

Quote
"We don’t have a GC rider. Of course we have Peter Velits..."

Poor Petey...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on November 03, 2012, 09:43
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/02/bradley-wiggins-interview-tour (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/02/bradley-wiggins-interview-tour)

An excellent interview with Wiggins from the Guardian. Not a lot of new things, but does paint a picture of him as a person. And he seems to be a genuinly nice guy.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on November 03, 2012, 10:20
I would hazard a guess that most tour winners came from places like Kilburn but in France, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Holland etc etc.

The only rich winner of a modern GT was Roberto Visentini as far as I know. But then my cycling knowledge is not encyclopedic
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on November 03, 2012, 11:14
Come on man, one line in a whole novel. He's never been the sharpest tool.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/02/bradley-wiggins-interview-tour (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/02/bradley-wiggins-interview-tour)

An excellent interview with Wiggins from the Guardian. Not a lot of new things, but does paint a picture of him as a person. And he seems to be a genuinly nice guy.
Good interview. Knew his dad was murdered; didn't know, and didn't bother really, that he was a proper :censored.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on November 03, 2012, 15:29
was a good read that.. for the guardian.. :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on November 03, 2012, 15:54
Sounds like his old man had it coming.       Interesting stuff.   

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on November 03, 2012, 19:05
was a good read that.. for the guardian.. :D

Completely off-topic, but I've heard a few people talk down the Guardian. What exactly is wrong with it? When I lived in England I found it a fine newspaper, though I didn't read it (or any other paper for that matter) that often.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on November 03, 2012, 19:19
Completely off-topic, but I've heard a few people talk down the Guardian. What exactly is wrong with it? When I lived in England I found it a fine newspaper, though I didn't read it (or any other paper for that matter) that often.

It's not so much the Guardian's output, it's the Guardian itself that people talk down. These ought to be the same thing, I suppose, but for many people they're not.

The Manchester Guardian, the original version of today's 'paper, was a pioneer. As a populist and later increasingly leftist publication, it was rightly admired as an alternative to the centrist and rightist "educated parrot" mainstream.

Over the years, however, it has drifted away from this standpoint of independent, alternative journalism to embrace what is sometimes called the "champagne socialism" embodied in the nu-Labour era. This impression is further compounded by its generous coverage of the arts (the preserve of the few) and the public sector.

So this is considered an irreversible slide from the 'paper's radical origins and I think many who are aware of that, like myself, will accept that, while there is some quality in the output, the loss of some of the radical founding principles of the publication is to be lamented.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on November 03, 2012, 20:08
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/swift-targets-sky-classics-spot-in-2013 (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/swift-targets-sky-classics-spot-in-2013)

Quote
The 24-year-old has targeted a slot in Sky’s Classics line-up as his first target but in terms of season objectives, he's looking to up his win rate.

“The biggest plans and targets are just to win as much as I can. I only had two wins on the road this year but I had 8 seconds and 5 thirds so I was close a lot of the time so I just want to turn those around and into wins. Id love to break into the Classics like Milan-San Remo and get some experience there

Seems a shame, I would have had him odds on for the Placegetter award next year..  :D

I think he can do well in some of the semi classics such as GW and E3, as he is typically a sprinter who's niche is sprinting from reduced groups.  The big bunch sprints of the Vuelta really are not his style tbh.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on November 04, 2012, 02:36
It's not so much the Guardian's output, it's the Guardian itself that people talk down. These ought to be the same thing, I suppose, but for many people they're not.

The Manchester Guardian, the original version of today's 'paper, was a pioneer. As a populist and later increasingly leftist publication, it was rightly admired as an alternative to the centrist and rightist "educated parrot" mainstream.

Over the years, however, it has drifted away from this standpoint of independent, alternative journalism to embrace what is sometimes called the "champagne socialism" embodied in the nu-Labour era. This impression is further compounded by its generous coverage of the arts (the preserve of the few) and the public sector.

So this is considered an irreversible slide from the 'paper's radical origins and I think many who are aware of that, like myself, will accept that, while there is some quality in the output, the loss of some of the radical founding principles of the publication is to be lamented.
Maybe something to do with the acquiring of the Observer? Where it could take a more centrist line.

From a sports pov, they've always had the finest have the Manchester Guardian. From Cardus to Selvey. All forgiven as long as the pair of them have him and Marks.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on November 04, 2012, 03:57
It's not so much the Guardian's output, it's the Guardian itself that people talk down. These ought to be the same thing, I suppose, but for many people they're not.

The Manchester Guardian, the original version of today's 'paper, was a pioneer. As a populist and later increasingly leftist publication, it was rightly admired as an alternative to the centrist and rightist "educated parrot" mainstream.

Over the years, however, it has drifted away from this standpoint of independent, alternative journalism to embrace what is sometimes called the "champagne socialism" embodied in the nu-Labour era. This impression is further compounded by its generous coverage of the arts (the preserve of the few) and the public sector.

So this is considered an irreversible slide from the 'paper's radical origins and I think many who are aware of that, like myself, will accept that, while there is some quality in the output, the loss of some of the radical founding principles of the publication is to be lamented.

What I don't understand is why it would be subject to any more ridicule for its editorial policies than a Murdoch rag?

Or is there also a quality thing?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on November 04, 2012, 17:01
What I don't understand is why it would be subject to any more ridicule for its editorial policies than a Murdoch rag?

Or is there also a quality thing?
Because Murdoch's papers are far better at what they do.

The Guardian is renowned for making mistakes and generally being endearingly and well-meaningly wrong about most things. The lurch to become little more than a Labour party cheerleader with a good arts section has been a little hard to take but I still buy it, if only to laugh at the preachiness of Tuscan villa owning multimillionairess Polly Toynbee and to do the crossword.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on November 04, 2012, 17:11
Because Murdoch's papers are far better at what they do.

The Guardian is renowned for making mistakes and generally being endearingly and well-meaningly wrong about most things. The lurch to become little more than a Labour party cheerleader with a good arts section has been a little hard to take but I still buy it, if only to laugh at the preachiness of Tuscan villa owning multimillionairess Polly Toynbee and to do the crossword.

And that sums it up beautifully, in a lot less words than I tried to do. ;)

I was at secondary school with a kid who is now an arts journo with the Guardian and he was so far up his own griefhole, he could have cleaned his teeth from there. However, as the good Cap'n says, you could never seriously dislike him, even if you stopped short of passing him his toothpaste.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 07, 2012, 22:06
Wiggo in hospital with a few broken ribs after being involved in a collision with a van...

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/wiggins-in-hospital-after-crash-1-5102981 (http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/wiggins-in-hospital-after-crash-1-5102981)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Zam on November 08, 2012, 16:58
Whats up with most of the brits and their hatred towards cyclist

C,L ‏@ChrisLawlor22
Glad some1 knocked Bradley wiggins off his bike..all cyclists on the roads are :censoreds
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 08, 2012, 17:01
Zam did you respond ?

Mine would be...

Yet you seem to be a top bloke, muppet
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Zam on November 08, 2012, 17:08
Zam did you respond ?

Mine would be...

Yet you seem to be a top bloke, muppet

Yes, i did.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 19:00
Yes, i did.

Looks like you're not the only one

“@SGFuthey: You limp dicked little twit.
@chrislawlor22 first blocked me, then he protected his acct then he deleted it.
I was nowhere near done…”
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: NDC on November 08, 2012, 20:16
For anyone that may wish to send a tweet @chrislawlor22 is now @lawlorfocus   ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 20:20
For anyone that may wish to send a tweet @chrislawlor22 is now @lawlorfocus   ;)

:-D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on November 09, 2012, 00:47
Did Wiggins have lights or reflective material or cat eye equivalents?

If he ventured out without them in the darkness, it's not the driver's mistake.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on November 12, 2012, 16:22
I might have missed it, so apologies if I have.

Teamskyfans is scaling back operations...  :(
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on November 12, 2012, 16:49
I might have missed it, so apologies if I have.

Teamskyfans is scaling back operations...  :(

Yup, we will be facebook only from 2013 while the site will focus on a retrospetive summary of the 2 years six months from formation through to winning the tour. The decision was made during the Tour de France (Co-incidentally  the guy who created and built Sky's website also moved on to other things after the Tour).

The fansite was set up partly to help build british interest in the team which it did, and to cover the progress of the team through the years. With the original goal of the team being to win the tour with a british winner, post wiggins win things reached a kinda natural conclusion. It also gets harder and harder to maintain a site of a succesful team, its harder to report success than it is to report progression.

It also became very hard to maintain an impartial stance. With the exception of blogs the site was never an opinion site, always keeping well out of any sky related discussion and that gradually became harder and harder. It was either become an opinion site, or step back altogether. Decision was to step back altogether.

over the winter it will be rebuilt creating a history of those first two years. Its likely the blogs will continue, but in its current form it reached a natural close.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on November 12, 2012, 19:14
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/cycling/2012/11/12/cycling-shane-suttton-discharged-from-hospital-after-bike-crash-91466-32219077/ (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/cycling/2012/11/12/cycling-shane-suttton-discharged-from-hospital-after-bike-crash-91466-32219077/)

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British Cycling head of performance Shane Sutton has been discharged from hospital and is on bed rest in Cardiff after he suffered head injuries in a crash involving a motorist last week.

The 55-year-old was released Saturday night and did not undergo surgery for a fractured cheekbone sustained in the accident he remembers little of.

"They were going to do surgery on the cheekbone but I've opted against that because it's not like I need it to be honest. It's a pretty clean fracture," said Sutton.

Good to know and also thank god he was wearing a helmet..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 12, 2012, 19:17
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/cycling/2012/11/12/cycling-shane-suttton-discharged-from-hospital-after-bike-crash-91466-32219077/ (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/cycling/2012/11/12/cycling-shane-suttton-discharged-from-hospital-after-bike-crash-91466-32219077/)
Good to know and also thank god he was wearing a helmet..

apparently - anyone who knows Sutton has never seen him in a helmet
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on November 12, 2012, 20:11
apparently - anyone who knows Sutton has never seen him in a helmet

It seems he started wearing one a few months ago
@friebos
We doubted it..but Shane Sutton says he started wearing helmet few months ago after 'non-stop nagging'. 'I can't thank those people enough.'  link (https://twitter.com/friebos/status/267205736323481600)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 12, 2012, 21:05
good to know

would not mind a picture though now that he is on the mend and out of hospital
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on November 13, 2012, 08:52
Whether he is dodgy or not I have followed his career since the Banana days with great fondness.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on November 13, 2012, 09:15
Whether he is dodgy or not I have followed his career since the Banana days with great fondness.

I think I did a few steady rides when he was there, this was when I was a kid and Sutton was still racing. He had this blonde moustache which was very fetching. Presumably the Banana boys we used to see back then stayed at Keith Lambert's place or something like that. Brian Smith was never there but a lot of the others were.

Keith was the team manager and they rode on his bikes for a season or two in the last of the Banana years. I grew up not far from his shop and one of my training mates bought a really nice ex-team bike with a Reynolds 753 frame and the long-forgotten Suntour Superbe Pro groupset. Could never afford it myself. ;)

Several of the Banana lads would come out on Saturdays at quiet times in the season and that was often because the British racing calendar was pretty flabby back then. Apart from Keith, I remember Rob Holden who was a very quiet guy. And the late Dave Rayner, with whom I got to pair up sometimes on the bigger rides.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on November 13, 2012, 10:24
I was a massive fan of Chris Walker.

He did a great ride in winning the Milk Race in (I think 1992)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 14, 2012, 10:31
"@Pro_Cycling: Team Sky brings experienced Australian triathlon coach Stephens on board http://t.co/4NCsXH17 #cycling"
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on November 14, 2012, 13:37
It certainly fits in with their trend of merely using the best methods irrelevant of the sport, as seen by Kerrison who is supposedly their finest member of staff..

Though as a Tri coach he will certainly not be in the dark as much as Kerrison was when he first came into the sport...

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 14, 2012, 13:59
It certainly fits in with their trend of merely using the best methods irrelevant of the sport, as seen by Kerrison who is supposedly their finest member of staff..

Though as a Tri coach he will certainly not be in the dark as much as Kerrison was when he first came into the sport...

I'm totally ignorant regarding this, will google Kerrison to see what you mean, thanks :-)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on November 14, 2012, 14:01
Here read this thread about him  :D http://velorooms.com/the-doping-section/tim-kerrison/ (http://velorooms.com/the-doping-section/tim-kerrison/)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 14, 2012, 14:11
Here read this thread about him  :D http://velorooms.com/the-doping-section/tim-kerrison/ (http://velorooms.com/the-doping-section/tim-kerrison/)

Thanks, you're the best.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 14, 2012, 20:24
Here read this thread about him  :D http://velorooms.com/the-doping-section/tim-kerrison/ (http://velorooms.com/the-doping-section/tim-kerrison/)

Let me start by saying, Froomy, thank you - a very informative read, and nicely put together! I do hope it is technique. Perhaps this is something that can support trans-disciplinary training somewhat - I mentioned the bio 'Open' by Andre Agassi in the Books section - Andre himself met up with his fitness trainer Gil Reyes whilst the latter was involved in a different sporting discipline, "Gil Reyes was the strength and conditioning coach for the basketball program at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas before meeting Agassi in 1989. Reyes was their strength coach when they won the 1990 NCAA championships." (via Wiki http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Reyes_(tennis)#section_1)

Been a while since I read the book, but if memory serves Agassi's trainer at the time had him running up hills, etc. When Agassi told him about his training program, Reyes observed that it seemed to him that tennis mainly consisted of running in sharp short explosive bursts from left to right, and as such AA should be focussing on training fitness for that, not running longish distances up hills... He also focussed on mixing drinks containing electrolytes for pre-hydrating Andre before matches, as well as during matches. (Electrolyte - Physiology - Any of various ions, such as sodium, potassium, or chloride, required by cells to regulate the electric charge and flow of water molecules across the cell membrane - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=Electrolyte)

PS The book is also well worth a read for giving a bit of insight into what it is like for professional athletes, many of whom started training at ridiculously young ages to get to the pinnacle.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 18, 2012, 20:16
My friend in Jozi's brother with Chris Froome #JaguarLandrover #Jozi
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 19, 2012, 11:05
(http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/resize/file/8916_porte-640-getty.jpg/id/34679/w/640/h/360)

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/40865/Richie-Porte:-Sky,-Omerta-and-a-new-generation (http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/40865/Richie-Porte:-Sky,-Omerta-and-a-new-generation)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 19, 2012, 11:08
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-heads-to-majorca-for-training-block (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-heads-to-majorca-for-training-block)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on November 20, 2012, 11:25
As ISG posted in the track news thread Brailsford to maintain dual roles, this guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/19/rfu-bradley-wiggins-british-cycling) article indicates continued speculation that one of the candidates for the vacant Team Sky DS roles comes from the track coaching staff
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 26, 2012, 12:40
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=57443 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=57443)

GT

A sea of ​​questions for Team Sky, 2013


November, time preseason. Most cyclists often exploit the penultimate month of the year to start work next year. Usually, during this time the runners accumulated miles in their legs without overstretching the machinery. There will be time. The experts called training phase as this volume. However, this model has broken Sky traditional. Specifically Tim Kerrison broke it last winter, a swimming physiologist who arrived a year ago and revolutionized cycling fitness methodology. None of volume, intensity from day one. Series, and motorcycle training after velodrome since November. They call it reverse periodization method and, theoretically, is the key between Sky and its rivals. imagine that the British team will repeat the success of 2012 is at least complicated. Besides corridors, infrastructure and technical equipment to achieve these results is essential combination of a number of factors that are difficult to reproduce in full: absence of some rivals, favorable routes and ability to surprise with this new model. What's more, Team Sky's ambition knows no bounds and the next year intend to storm the Tour with Chris Froome and Bradley Wiggins in the Giro . Divide the group should subtract effectiveness. In fact, this season Kerrison cared only preparing a few brokers to carry out meticulous track of them. Others like Cavendish, Arrow, Henao Urán or were not monitored by the Australian coach, former master swimmers. Would it mean that this one of the blocks will soften? Will there be other teams imitated their training model? also issues related to preparation treated one wonders how the bodies of cyclists a second season with the training requirement. Fatigue? Accused for having preserved the way for so long? All equipment was built to achieve victory in the Tour de France with a British rider. Once achieved, now what? Brailsford at Team Sky aims to make the team stronger, stringing several wins in Grand Tours. Is it enough to keep motivating his men? motivation doubts They can torment its referent, Wiggins. The goal of his career and the horizon of their training was located in the Tour de France. His current goal is to achieve the triple crown [Giro and Vuelta win], but we will see if it retains the mentality of 2012 or is carried away by success, his personality makes this possible risk.










Wiggo acknowledged in an interview with The Guardian that her celebrity status was pounding. Since gold in London has had to deal with the press for photography in which she appeared with a drink and a cigar, first, and then by the finger to reporters after his outrage . Shane Sutton, her personal trainer, did not hesitate when Nicole Cooke criticized for not knowing assimilate success. Sutton himself is convinced that Wiggins will not repeat their mistakes because they "want to be a legend." Is he right? Will he be able to keep intact Wiggins his hunger for victory after a 2012 historic? Moreover, Wiggins will face a Giro of Italy than the last Tour . While you will have 55 kilometers of individual time in the torment that Vincenzo Nibali, who is emerging as his main rival, the 6 end up attached to the recovery of bonuses can play against. Not to mention the fact of running Away [the Italians always have the homecourt in the Giro]. Besides the fact of not running with Froome, who was responsible for the attack neutralize each squalo in the last Grand Boucle. Wiggins go forward to win the triple crown and the Giro, or will encounter a scenario far from ideal in which won the last Tour? Precisely Froome is another of the great unknowns for 2013. After two missed opportunities to win great returns to be slowed by Wiggins, the Kenyan British citizen will have to confirm their level in the Tour next direct duel against Alberto Contador and Andy Schleck. Precisely stated Contador as the team to beat . In addition, following the presentation of the course recognized that expected higher hardness. Will clearing balls out or really do not rely much on their options? What's more, Dave Brailsford has warned that the team may lose potential in 2013 because of layoffs following the Armstrong case. The zero tolerance policy, criticized even by a philosophy akin as manager Jonathan Vaughters , has led them to fire (or not renew) Sean Yates [first team manager, former teammate of Armstrong in 1996 and director of Discovery Channel between 2005 and 2009], Steven De Jongh [director of Sky, by recognizing doping], Bobby Julich [Sky coach, also recognized as having used doping corridor], Michael Barry [runner, former teammate of Armstrong between 2002 and 2005] and Geert Leinders [team doctor for the Rabobank worked between 1996 and 2009, a period marked by suspicion of doping]. many questions about the Team Sky 2013. True? Indications that the computer domain is ending, or an attempt to find weaknesses in the team's strongest point? Time will tell.








Navarro Cave
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 27, 2012, 18:23
"@UCI_Overlord: Brailsford gives early indications of @chrisfroome Tour captaincy http://t.co/1EyWBgaK in a @rapharacing kit no less. link via @dexradio"
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on November 27, 2012, 19:27
BBC: Froome will get vote over Wiggins to lead Tour de France challenge (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20516939)

Not a surprise given the things we've already heard Wiggo and others say. Smart decision by Sky, Wiggins is a guy who needs fresh challenges constantly and Froome has more than earned a shot at Le Tour.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on November 27, 2012, 23:36
yeah I think it is a smart decision by Sky.

Certainly my respect for Wiggins has gone up a notch or two (though it started pretty low, so only way was up  ;D  )

Doing the Giro and leaving the tour for Froome makes sense, is good for both and good for the team. 

And good for the fans too - as it should make for some interesting racing  :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on November 28, 2012, 11:02
Great news. Although I wonder if the remainder of the team will be as supportive as they were of Wiggins.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 28, 2012, 11:20
BBC: Froome will get vote over Wiggins to lead Tour de France challenge (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20516939)
Froome has more than earned a shot at Le Tour.

Can't wait to see how he does :-)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 28, 2012, 11:22
And good for the fans too - as it should make for some interesting racing  :P

Agreed. Ha ha AG, you're funny :-D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 28, 2012, 12:36
Doc of the week #6 - Bradley Wiggins A Year in Yellow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn7FdQCKxuc#ws)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on November 29, 2012, 12:53
"@mattslaterbbc: Team Sky seek safe European home http://t.co/0O51RxWe Promenade des Anglais? Wouldn't it be lovely"

"Team Sky need European training base - Dave Brailsford"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20535637
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 02, 2012, 12:30
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_8302856,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_8302856,00.html)

Quote
Alex Dowsett bowed out in style at the Revolution track series on Saturday night as he and Luke Rowe claimed a hat-trick of victories for Team Sky in Manchester.

Dowsett - who will ride for Movistar next season after two years with the team - marked his final competitive outing with a superb victory in the Scratch Race - the final Elite Championship event of the evening.

Earlier on, Rowe had got the ball rolling by outsprinting his rivals at the finish line to win the Points Race, and then powered around the final bend in the Elimination Race to pip former Team Sky man Russell Downing in the most exciting clash of the night.

The duo had been playing cat and mouse as the event reached its conclusion and Rowe looked to have been caught napping when Downing swooped down on the Welshman from the top of the track.
Really good news that, sad to see Dowsett go but he will have more opportunities to display his considerable talent at Movistar

 :wave
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 02, 2012, 21:22
Dont know if Brad gets pick of the litter.

Uran is the most interesting case as he really now is pushed into the doldrums. Does he really want to be left to having only the Vuelta to race properly after such a promising Giro? It will be very interesting to see whether him and Henao race the Giro, though as Colombians they are supposedly stereotyped to be better at it :D Kiryenka I would imagine would go to the Tour and I would believe that Porte would also. Cataldo probably Giro? A lot of uncertainty though I thought I had it all worked out in that thread about Sky's GT lineup.  :D

Edit: This is what I posted in that thread, how things have changed in 2 months  :D
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Giro:

Appolonio
Dowsett
Henao
Dombrowski
Kennaugh
Pate
Puccio
Uran
JTL/Cataldo


Tour:

EBH
Froome
Wiggins
Pate/Knees
Porte
Rogers
Siutsou/ Cataldo
Thomas
Kiriyenka




Vuelta:

Eisel/Rowe
Dowsett
Henao
Stannard
Swift
Zandio
Uran
Dombro
Lopez
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 02, 2012, 21:27
http://velorooms.com/mens-road-cycling/sky-2013-gt-domination/msg56347/#msg56347 (http://velorooms.com/mens-road-cycling/sky-2013-gt-domination/msg56347/#msg56347)

Already with Brad doing Giro, Appo, Rogers (probably) and Dowsett gone there have to be changes
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on December 03, 2012, 05:53
"Froome won't assume Tour de France leadership

3rd Dec 2012

Wiggins may defend title, says Sky teammate

Team Sky's leadership at the 2013 Tour de France is far from certain according to this year's second-place overall Chris Froome. Those inside and outside of the team's confines have suggested this year's Tour champion Bradley Wiggins should focus on the Giro d'Italia however, his teammate Froome suggests Wiggins' programme is far from being finalised.

Froome has previously stated he would like to lead his British team at next year's Tour de France is would be "counting on the support of Wiggins" however, that is not to say the Tour and Olympic champion will not head to france with an eye on capturing a second title.

"I do not assume that Bradley will help me in the Tour," said Froome to Sporza. "It is not yet decided whether he will defend his title in France. He may aim at the Giro. If the goal of the team is for me to go for yellow, then I can count on the help of Bradley. I would like to get the green light to go for victory in the Tour. Even if I fail, and only finish only fifth or sixth, I'll be happy as long as I am able give everything."

The Kenyan-born climber demonstrated his ability to lead a grand tour when he overtook his then captain on the road, Wiggins, at the 2011 Vuelta a España. Unfortunately for Froome, his loyalty to Wiggins arguably cost him the overall title. Froome finished second while Wiggins placed third."


http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-wont-assume-tour-de-france-leadership
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on December 08, 2012, 08:46
"@mrjakehumphrey: Well done @SkySportsF1 - voted the Best Broadcaster in F1. 2 British broadcasters winning it for 2 years running. Only the best for you guys"
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on December 08, 2012, 13:00
"@CyclingNewsInfo: Rogers' departure not linked to anti-doping policy, Team Sky says http://t.co/JoakfLan"

http://www.cycling-news.info/road-cycling-news/Rogers--departure-not-linked-to-anti-doping-policy-Team-Sky-says/10766
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on December 08, 2012, 13:16
http://velorooms.com/mens-road-cycling/sky-2013-gt-domination/msg56347/#msg56347 (http://velorooms.com/mens-road-cycling/sky-2013-gt-domination/msg56347/#msg56347)

Already with Brad doing Giro, Appo, Rogers (probably) and Dowsett gone there have to be changes

No way :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 09, 2012, 18:32
"@mrjakehumphrey: Well done @SkySportsF1 - voted the Best Broadcaster in F1. 2 British broadcasters winning it for 2 years running. Only the best for you guys"

 :-\
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Waterloo Sunset on December 09, 2012, 18:45
No way :D

You do realise he included Rogers in a list of riders who were leaving, right?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2012, 08:46
Quote
José Been ‏@TourDeJose
Wiggins just told BBC he will lead Team SKY in TDF2013. Now I am confused. (Tip @robertcunliffe). Sort it out, please

and J-Rod the Giro and Vuelta  ;) ;D

:froomedog  :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on December 13, 2012, 08:50
lol if Wiggins ruins our Contador v Froome v Andy showdown.

Actually it's probably not how we should interpret it.

He will do the Giro (basically confirmed), and then as defending champion, "lead" Sky in the Tour. Which is what we expect to happen. Thing is how far will he push that "leadership", Wiggins v Froome in the TTT :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 13, 2012, 10:09
Im pretty sure he'll do the giro

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2010/05/29/1/7_600.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2012, 12:21
“As it stands I'm probably going to try and win a second Tour de France, so I don't know, maybe we'll have two leaders. That’s more than likely, I guess,” he told BBC Radio 5 Live. “How that's going to work with the team I don't know, it's more Dave's problem, really.”

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13487/Wiggins-changes-tack-and-says-he-now-wants-to-win-2013-Tour-de-France.aspx#ixzz2Evxkl1lK (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13487/Wiggins-changes-tack-and-says-he-now-wants-to-win-2013-Tour-de-France.aspx#ixzz2Evxkl1lK)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wiggins really is a ..... I think I might like him a bit more because of it  ::)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on December 13, 2012, 12:30
It was the same with Basso and Nibali last year.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on December 13, 2012, 21:26
Some more meat on the bones Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/dec/13/bradley-wiggins-tour-de-france-20131) seems to be a reaction to finding he's in better shape than he expected.

gives some of the race programme - T-A, Giro del Trentino, Giro and Tour, starting with either Algave or the Mallorca races.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 13, 2012, 21:58
it's more Dave's problem, really.”

Gee whiz, Wiggins really is a team manager's dream.  ::)

I don't have time now but I'd like to assemble all the quotes from last year where Brad said he would support Froome Dog.
Froome sacrificed not just one, but two GCs for Wiggo. What would Brad's justification be in trying win another himself, or going to the Giro and therefore possibly not being as prepared as possible to support Froome at the Tour?

Does he feel entitled to another Tour win even though his first was launched off the back of Froome?  :-\

Do. Not. Like.

Although I suppose Froome was free to sign with any team he wanted after his breakout Vuelta. I wonder how he feels now?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on December 13, 2012, 22:22
So, Wiggo stirring up some sh*t again, peeing people off.

I seem to be liking that guy more with every comment he makes. Go Wiggo!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 13, 2012, 22:34
So, Wiggo stirring up some sh*t again, peeing people off.
He does seem to enjoy the process.  :-X
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on December 13, 2012, 22:56
He does seem to enjoy the process.  :-X

He might be one of the most boring riders of the peloton on the bike, off the bike he's probably the single most entertaining one.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 13, 2012, 23:20
He might be one of the most boring riders of the peloton on the bike, off the bike he's probably the single most entertaining one.

Ricco ?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on December 13, 2012, 23:39
what a tosser    :(
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on December 13, 2012, 23:40
Brads growing on me, im amazed the press believe anything he tells them :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on December 14, 2012, 00:39
Ricco ?

#1 in any category.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 14, 2012, 01:11
Brads growing on me, im amazed the press believe anything he tells them :D
Why do I always find Dim's use of emoticons to be the funniest?  ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on December 14, 2012, 01:43
what a tosser    :(
Were Nibali and Basso last year the same?

He has whored the attention he wants.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 14, 2012, 08:56
(http://cyclingweekly.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11141/000007c53/31df_orh315w315/tdf12st8-brad-froome.jpg)

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536041/bradley-wiggins-aims-to-defend-tour-de-france-title.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536041/bradley-wiggins-aims-to-defend-tour-de-france-title.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on December 14, 2012, 09:01
I am just sore as I actually believed him when he said he would do the Giro and leave the Tour for Froome - and I thought more of him at the time.

Now I think it was just an attention thing and he had no intention of letting Froome have anything ...

Nibbles on the other hand - I always liked, so I can forgive him  ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on December 14, 2012, 09:30
Well Basso robbed Nibali off his chances at winning his home race......

They're all :censoreds, either they fake modesty or they're too cocky.
They're media whores or don't connect enough with fans.
Too selfish or don't have desire.

:censoreditude is just a mandatory requirement at the top.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 14, 2012, 09:33
Wiggo is genius  O0   ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on December 14, 2012, 09:37
He drew 18 posts by barely drawing a breath. He's the messiah.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 14, 2012, 09:41
He drew 18 posts by barely drawing a breath. He's the messiah.

agreed I am now looking forward to the avatar bet I lost to Dinz next year I might add a quote sections as well

Guru I tells ya !!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on December 14, 2012, 10:24
This is a real something from nothing story, amazing how much coverage it is getting for one loose word out of Wiggo's mouth!

I don't think the plan has changed. Wiggo will ride the Giro to win and will show up at the tour in the best shape possible. The Sky PR line will be that he and Froome are joint leaders but Froome will be strongest and will 'win the job on the road' (even though he was always leader anyway).
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on December 14, 2012, 11:07
Sage, and why'd he stop? Everyone bites every time, and Sky are in the back pages, even when doing nowt.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 14, 2012, 12:43
Were Nibali and Basso last year the same?


I dont recall any controversy between them. Basso always wanted to do the Giro, even before the previous season finished, and Nibali wanted to do the Tour and thats how it went.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on December 14, 2012, 12:51
Which is what I'm saying. Meal's being made of nothing, or another Wiggins press statement (and when's that been reliable?).

Liquigas didn't announce who'll do what in November last year, they did take their time.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 17, 2012, 09:00
Brad will go for the Double

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2012/12/17/1355705908188/Bradley-Wiggins-008.jpg)

Quote
To further evident discomfort, he is highly likely to be knighted in the New Year's honours list. And, following an encouraging training camp in Mallorca, he said he was targeting another tilt at the Tour.

"I've always wanted to win a second Tour. I'm the defending champion. I want to try and win the Giro D'Italia and win the Tour de France behind it. People say it can't be done, winning two Tours. So let's have a go at it."

With that the people's champion, the reluctant rock star was off to celebrate. "There's a free bar, isn't there? It would be rude not to."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/dec/17/bradley-wiggins-sports-personality-year (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/dec/17/bradley-wiggins-sports-personality-year)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on December 17, 2012, 09:14
I dislike the thought of him being knighted - save things like that for once he's retired.  As for the double, I think it's unlikely, but the sort of thing I'd like to see him try.  In Britain, there is sometimes the tendency that once a big goal has been achieved, the individual involved goes a bit awol and will appear in the press saying 'I've got no motivation...'/'Everything's a bit boring now...' etc.  Therefore, it is good to see Wiggo saying that he wants to win more Grand Tours, and targeting the Giro which he's not raced before.  Realistically, I think he'll peak for the Giro, go to the Tour as second leader with Froome (who must be absolutely thrilled with this news!), and as he fades, become superdom.  However, if he sets himself a target, I think you're brave if you bet against him.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 17, 2012, 09:19
I dislike the thought of him being knighted - save things like that for once he's retired.  As for the double, I think it's unlikely, but the sort of thing I'd like to see him try.  In Britain, there is sometimes the tendency that once a big goal has been achieved, the individual involved goes a bit awol and will appear in the press saying 'I've got no motivation...'/'Everything's a bit boring now...' etc.  Therefore, it is good to see Wiggo saying that he wants to win more Grand Tours, and targeting the Giro which he's not raced before.  Realistically, I think he'll peak for the Giro, go to the Tour as second leader with Froome (who must be absolutely thrilled with this news!), and as he fades, become superdom.  However, if he sets himself a target, I think you're brave if you bet against him.

Save knighthoods for real heroes not celebrities. Though wiggins is himself far more deserving than des lyman, Jake.Humphrey, Adrian chiles etc etc etc.

As.for.the tour i think.if he fades he'll go for a tt so that he can stamp his name.on his defense tour unlike Evans.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on December 17, 2012, 10:12
Can Belgians be knighted by the British Queen?  :P

The Queen can knight whoever she wants!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on December 17, 2012, 10:59
yeah, I wouldnt hold your breath honey    ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on December 17, 2012, 11:02
hey - me and Lizzie go way back
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on December 17, 2012, 11:35
Wiggins to go for the double next year. Who'd have thought it, wonder what Froome is thinking!

Or Michelle?  WAG war's take 2, here we go!

Save knighthoods for real heroes not celebrities. Though wiggins is himself far more deserving than des lyman, Jake.Humphrey, Adrian chiles etc etc etc.

If he retires with another GT or two under his belt, then his overall career achievements would warrant it.  I have no problem with people being awarded knighthood's to recognise outstanding achievement in their professional field, but I object to 'knee jerk knighthood's' - Woodward and Hoy spring to mind.  Anywho, back on topic...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on December 17, 2012, 13:44
Contador didn't manage the double, so now Wiggo's going to show him how it's done.. Seriously starting to love that guy.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2012, 07:54
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9751875/Chris-Froome-defiant-over-Bradley-Wiggins-challenge-to-Tour-de-France-ambitions.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9751875/Chris-Froome-defiant-over-Bradley-Wiggins-challenge-to-Tour-de-France-ambitions.html)

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Despite being the Olympic bronze medallist in the discipline and runner-up to Wiggins in both long time-trials in this year’s Tour, Froome has never tested his position and bike in a wind tunnel. In time-trial terms, he has been operating in the Stone Age, with elbows out as if riding a scooter.
Froome described his riding style as “rugged” with ample room for improvement, even if the time trials will not be as decisive on next year’s Tour. “I’m making a lot of headway but there are so many things I can improve on,” he said.

well that is it then give him the yellow and red and WC for ITT as well
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2012, 11:23
Froome states Brailsford has told him he is the designated leader for the Tour

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13521/Froome-states-Brailsford-has-told-him-he-is-the-designated-leader-for-the-Tour.aspx#ixzz2FOxqcCTj (http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13521/Froome-states-Brailsford-has-told-him-he-is-the-designated-leader-for-the-Tour.aspx#ixzz2FOxqcCTj)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on December 18, 2012, 11:40
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9751520/Tour-de-France-and-Olympic-champion-Bradley-Wiggins-set-to-be-knighted-in-New-Year-Honours-list.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9751520/Tour-de-France-and-Olympic-champion-Bradley-Wiggins-set-to-be-knighted-in-New-Year-Honours-list.html)

Knighthoods coming for Wiggins and Brailsford, no surprises there.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on December 19, 2012, 06:06
"The Tour of Italy is something I'd love to win, in cycling terms it's just as big as the Tour for me, but also going back as defending champion next year to try to win a second Tour de France.

"We're very fortunate that we have two people that can win the Tour de France. Having two people equally as strong, trying to beat the likes of (Alberto) Contador and Andy Schleck, is going to work in our favour.

"It could be any one of us, it could be Chris Froome on the day, it could be me, but once we get on that line we all have a professional obligation. We saw this year what Chris did for me, it could be that I'll be doing that for him next year for the team to win."

Wiggins, 32, expects his team to go into the Tour de France with a clear idea of their leader, but accepts not every eventuality can be accounted for in advance.

"You go out there with a plan," he said. "That plan may change during the race depending on crashes, illnesses or form, but you certainly start out with a game plan and follow that game plan as much as possible.

"If that's Chris Froome then the whole eight riders will commit to Chris.

"But we saw a couple of years ago, once I crashed out the team was left without anything to do, really, because all our eggs were put into the basket of me.

"This year, had I crashed out in that first week, we always had a back-up plan with Chris Froome. It always helps to have strength in numbers, it's a nice problem to have."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/more-sport/bradely-wiggins-happy-to-take-team-orders-during-tour-de-france/story-e6frfglf-1226540073005 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/more-sport/bradely-wiggins-happy-to-take-team-orders-during-tour-de-france/story-e6frfglf-1226540073005)

Says Bradely Wiggins
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 19, 2012, 06:11
Seems like Dave gave Bradley a talking to....:fp
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on December 19, 2012, 06:47
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9751520/Tour-de-France-and-Olympic-champion-Bradley-Wiggins-set-to-be-knighted-in-New-Year-Honours-list.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9751520/Tour-de-France-and-Olympic-champion-Bradley-Wiggins-set-to-be-knighted-in-New-Year-Honours-list.html)

Knighthoods coming for Wiggins and Brailsford, no surprises there.

Congratulations. I don't mind as long as it's not mentioned in commentary.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 19, 2012, 17:08
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gallery-team-sky-tackle-tour-of-flanders-course (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gallery-team-sky-tackle-tour-of-flanders-course)

Quote
Geraint Thomas, who is returning to the Classics after his Olympic year, Ian Stannard, Bernhard Eisel, Luke Rowe and Edvald Boasson Hagen formed the core of team who spent the last few days riding reconnaissance over the Tour of Flanders course with Rod Ellingworth shepherding the riders from the team car. Another participant in the mini-training camp was Gabriel Rasch, who signed from FDJ in the off-season.

Sorry to over do it, but am I really, really excited at how the Team will perform on the cobbles :-[. With experience, youthful talent and marginal gains we can't lose   :win
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on December 19, 2012, 17:16
On a similar note, they are considering the classics squad not doing stage races and focussing totally on one day races

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536141/no-tirreno-or-paris-nice-for-sky-s-classics-riders.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536141/no-tirreno-or-paris-nice-for-sky-s-classics-riders.html)

No tirreno or paris nice..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 19, 2012, 17:22
On a similar note, they are considering the classics squad not doing stage races and focussing totally on one day races

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536141/no-tirreno-or-paris-nice-for-sky-s-classics-riders.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536141/no-tirreno-or-paris-nice-for-sky-s-classics-riders.html)

No tirreno or paris nice..

Should get tongues wagging

It is a smart idea though, goes against traditional cycling but makes sense if the squad puts in the miles, will hurt the GT squads though at t-a and p-n  who will drive groups set up wins etc
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 19, 2012, 17:26
Should get tongues wagging

It is a smart idea though, goes against traditional cycling but makes sense if the squad puts in the miles, will hurt the GT squads though at t-a and p-n  who will drive groups set up wins etc
Yeh I had a whole post written up on this but then scrapped it. But this basically said it all.
It is what is unique about Sky as they can turn their backs on the traditional side of cycling and actually focus on what will aid them as much as possible. Cycling is certainly still very far from the professional sport if can be and a large reason of that is down to its tradition which is held very dearly. It may not be beneficial but it certainly is a good try.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on December 19, 2012, 17:27
Should get tongues wagging

It is a smart idea though, goes against traditional cycling but makes sense if the squad puts in the miles, will hurt the GT squads though at t-a and p-n  who will drive groups set up wins etc

tour squad do paris nice, giro squad do tirreno i guess. now of course, when the classics squad train in mallorca rather than racing and end up winning flanders and roubaix the clinic will go mental
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on December 19, 2012, 17:40
You Sky fans are getting a bit ahead of yourselves. Not that much chance anyone from Sky will win in Flanders or Roubaix. As if Geraint and EBH are going to ride Boonen and Cancellara straight off their wheels...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on December 19, 2012, 18:03
Sage, it's not like they have Ki Ho Choi.

But I don't think anyone has claimed the Sky lot will win.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on December 19, 2012, 18:52
So excited to see G focusing on the classics.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on December 20, 2012, 01:16
I dont think they will win - but its good to see Sky focussing some attention on the classics.  They do have a pretty good basic squad for it, and I do hope that G does well.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on December 21, 2012, 11:57
(http://img.skysports.com/12/12/295x160/Nice2_2873299.jpg)
Super Fans Rusty and Kay's Season Highlights link (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17545_8327460,00.html)

& Gallery link (http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,17548_8327092,00.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on December 22, 2012, 10:23
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/australians-fume-at-uk-bike-secrecy-20121221-2brnj.html (http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/australians-fume-at-uk-bike-secrecy-20121221-2brnj.html)

Aussies tried to buy Team GB bikes and couldnt ... interesting
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on December 22, 2012, 14:14
We will never allow the Australians to possess the secret of our extra round wheels. NEVER!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on December 24, 2012, 16:33
(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2011/12/velonews.jpg)
Dombrowski interview
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/12/news/dombrowski-on-giro-ditalia-path-with-wiggins_269828 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/12/news/dombrowski-on-giro-ditalia-path-with-wiggins_269828)

Joe riding Oman, Tirreno, Criterium, Trentino, along with the Giro squad, so currently in with a shot of riding the Giro. Thatll cause some excitement.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 24, 2012, 16:37
I am hoping he gets a shot similar to Henao this year..

For all that it matters I do not think he will if he has to support Wiggins throughout the Giro, but I would love to see race a GT this year and anyways it will be good preparation for 2014 domination :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on December 24, 2012, 17:17
think hes got a good shot of doing the giro, they always put one neo pro in the squad.. he gets the giro, main squad do the tour, rigo and sergio get to headline the vuelta with supporting cast of kennaugh, sutton etc.

Im excited for the Vuelta. With Contador and J-Rod planning to focus on the Tour, Henao has a real shot. His first year as a european pro, top ten giro, 14th in vuelta. I just hope sky get his contract wrapped up nice and early
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 24, 2012, 17:29
think hes got a good shot of doing the giro, they always put one neo pro in the squad.. he gets the giro, main squad do the tour, rigo and sergio get to headline the vuelta with supporting cast of kennaugh, sutton etc.

Im excited for the Vuelta. With Contador and J-Rod planning to focus on the Tour, Henao has a real shot. His first year as a european pro, top ten giro, 14th in vuelta. I just hope sky get his contract wrapped up nice and early
Agree that he will probably do the Giro, put him on the predicted list a couple of pages back.
Though I would like to see Puccio also get a go at the Giro, I would think after one season they would put some of last year's batch in. I would also like to see Rowe racing a GT, hopefully the Vuelta and we still have to wait and see what Martinelli is all about.. :)

:woohoo Christmas Smileys  :P

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on December 25, 2012, 01:35
Seems we aren't so stupid afterall ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 26, 2012, 18:50
 Wiggins announces programme  (http://)

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Although he followed a certain route to his first Tour de France victory in 2012, Bradley Wiggins has decided on a different build-up to the defence of his title and will miss out on Paris-Nice next season.

The Briton has passed on the chance to try to take a second successive Race to the Sun because he wants to try to win the Giro d’Italia in 2013.

The twin Grand Tour bid will effect other changes to his programme, but Wiggins is prepared to depart from his 2012 formula in his attempt to take the first Giro-Tour double since Marco Pantani in 1998.

According to Bicicilismo, he will return to Mallorca and build form with his fellow Sky team-mates, then travel to the Volta ao Algarve for the February 13-17 event. That also began his 2012 season, with the Briton taking third there.

In place of Paris-Nice, he will dispute Tirreno-Adriatico between March 6th and 12th, then head back to the Volta a Catalunya six days after the end of the Italian event. He withdrew on stage three this year but will hope to compete the race next season.

Interesting that, basically the very same programme he raced in 2012 asides from TA as opposed to PN. I guess he just wants to have some Italian experience, all the style of the racing, similar route etc. Though then again maybe it would have been better to wait until the routes/No. of time trials were announced  :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on December 26, 2012, 19:13
Wiggins announces programme  (http://)

Interesting that, basically the very same programme he raced in 2012 asides from TA as opposed to PN. I guess he just wants to have some Italian experience, all the style of the racing, similar route etc. Though then again maybe it would have been better to wait until the routes/No. of time trials were announced  :P

Think as well, because the basics of the giro squad is riding tirreno, the tour squad riding paris nice he wants to get some time with riders he wont have ridden with so much before.

It also rather puts Froome on the spot. If hes riding Paris Nice, expectation will be for him to do well. If he doesnt, already the questions will start getting raised (wether its fair or not) over wether Froome will be leader at the Tour.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 26, 2012, 21:34
Think as well, because the basics of the giro squad is riding tirreno, the tour squad riding paris nice he wants to get some time with riders he wont have ridden with so much before.

It also rather puts Froome on the spot. If hes riding Paris Nice, expectation will be for him to do well. If he doesnt, already the questions will start getting raised (wether its fair or not) over wether Froome will be leader at the Tour.

Questions from who? there were already idiots in the press who said that if Froome doesnt win the Vuelta he cant lead the tour :fp Whatever they say Froome will go to the Tour as leader and determined to do his best.  Based on his past 2 seasons, its likely he will suck Andy Schleck style until June when hell start performing. Wont mean anything as to how good he can be in the tour.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 26, 2012, 22:21
I think there may have been some idiots who may have questioned Froome after the Vuelta but as you say they were idiots. If he fails in PN which Wiggins won on the way to his build up to the Tour it may raise more doubts and this time from more respected journalists and people within the British media. Remember Wiggins will be in the position where he can say that on my way to the Tour I won this race, now Froome on his way to the Tour has.. it will be subtle but it will certainly start to raise doubts and most importantly it will give Wiggins the upper hand especially if he performs better in TA.

And if Wiggins wins the Giro then I do not think that Froome will go to the Tour as leader specifically. The Sky management may consider Froome to be the eventual leader most likely, but I think they will let it play out and see who comes out on top in the early exchanges.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 26, 2012, 23:37
I think there may have been some idiots who may have questioned Froome after the Vuelta but as you say they were idiots. If he fails in PN which Wiggins won on the way to his build up to the Tour it may raise more doubts and this time from more respected journalists and people within the British media.

The person who.i referred to.that said froome couldn't lead the tour if he didn't win the vuelta was the gallacker douche from the telegraph ( also ghost writer for 1 of wiggins books)- someone you would consider a respectable journalist though i consider him the anthony tan of Britain.

And no understanding of.cycling will ever come.out of "respectable journalists in the British media" or any national media. They know nothing about our sport. Martin Samuel  the most respected sports journalist in Britain wrote some horsesh*t article where he said anything under 45 minutes on ape d huez is doping. In 2009 i read articles about how weak cycling is as a sport because lance managed to podium his comeback. Or how many times i had to read that lance was the greatest cyclist of.all.time.




Remember Wiggins will be in the position where he can say that on my way to the Tour I won this race, now Froome on his way to the Tour has.. it will be subtle but it will certainly start to raise doubts and most importantly it will give Wiggins the upper hand especialy if he performs.in TA.

Remember what?

 the concept that wiggins will be fighting some meaningless media war against froome iin order to.make him domestique again is ridiculous.


 If wiggins wanted the tour he could have gotten it. It would have smelled foul but he could have subjicated froome once again. Instead he went for the giro.

What you are suggesting is that wiggins will.kill himself in the giro then hurt froomes quest for the tour by playing down his chances and end up looking like the guy who didn't want Britain to retain the tour. For no gain as he goes into a tour which doesn't suit him without the form to win one that would.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on December 27, 2012, 00:41
Gallagher is an idiot. He recently wrote that Sky would be interested in Rodriguez and may try to sign him. He also claimed the Cav signing for Sky deal as done for about 18 months. Eventually he was right.

The fans, the press all take great pleasure out of even the slight hint of trouble at Sky. If Froome doesnt win Paris Nice you can bet there will be a whole bunch of people on his case. Of course, that will get worse if Wiggins DOESNT win the giro :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 27, 2012, 11:41
I disagree. I think in Britain  until.July they'll still be mostly talking about  wiggins as the tdf champion
 - the 1 race that matters , and will be looking forward to him and froome going again in July


Itv may show the giro and if.as expected wiggins wins it.will.make the news and the newspapers will try to explain its significance.

But ultimately its all about the tour. Anything else is too off the radar to gather news unless someone does well.

The only exception is dauphine where because its so close if froome sucks questions would make the news because its what everyone.in cycling including sky would be thinking.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on December 27, 2012, 12:22
I agree with the point that coverage will depend on success, but 2013 could be the year to break that status quo - ie there could be success in the classics (that might bleed into track world champs coverage) and giro.  We could be in a position where all 3 GTs are covered on itv.  the acid test will be if they show the Vuelta without a brit in it for GC.

Froome will need to show he has 'the numbers' that's what seems to count at Sky, he doesnt need to win any races before the tour if he has the numbers.  the numbers should get him a top 10 at Paris Nice and Dauphine.

At some point I expect Wiggins will talk about success in 2013 being winning the giro, and winning or helping froome win the tour.  Wiggins could win the Giro in such a way as it reinforces Froome as leader for the tour, if it relies on him gaining time in TTs and limiting his loses on the climbs.  On the otherhand if he wins it chasing down attacks and dropping people in the mountains, its likely he'll have gone too deep (physically and mentally) to do it all again, taking on a teammate at the same time, in July.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on December 27, 2012, 21:32
I agree with the above.

The racing will get progressively relevant from Paris Nice on, but PN is a bit of an oddity, it's quite possible for none of the GT stars to feature, it's more a question of Froome demonstrating he's able to keep up with the other Tour contenders. If everything goes to plan, Froome will be given leadership of the Dauphiné and will be expected to challenge. Quite what Sky do if he does fail, I don't know.

If Wiggins fights all the way for the Giro, he won't be able to challenge for the Tour, but he's still a useful foil to take pressure off Froome for the first two weeks. If he doesn't compete fully in the Giro, he falls off or gets ill or any number of issues which can put someone out of contention, then Wiggins could turn up to the Tour in condition to win it.

Can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 27, 2012, 21:37
And the thing which fuels the flames even more is Ryder Hesjedal's claims that he never felt more on form than just before this year's Tour and that he was in the form of his life then..rather than at the Giro. Especially as he managed to attain his highest training scores at that time ;D

For some reason I believe Hesjedal especially as he truly believed it himself, he was not just punting for the Tour when he decided to ride it. Though I would expect one's fitness to go down towards the end of a simultaneous Grand Tour as Froome's did at the Vuelta dramatically.

Then again I would not put anything past Wiggo  ::)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on December 28, 2012, 01:32
That is not unusual, but the form evapourates by the 3rd week.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on December 28, 2012, 11:56
If Wiggo wins the Giro, he'll be mentioned as one of the big favourites for the Tour. Particularly by British media who don't know how hard the Giro-Tour double is. If that were the case, Wiggins would be nominal leader, and when he'd collapse in the third week Froome would take over. The question is, will that protect Froome from the pressure in the first weeks, or will it prevent him from attacking and gaining time?

If Wiggins does not win the Giro despite finishing, he'll still be a favourite for the Tour, but not as high on the list as when he'd win. More pressure would be on Froome in that case.
Should Wiggins crash out or abandon without serious injuries, he'll probably want a full shot at the Tour again. That would mean the biggest clash between Wiggins and Froome. I expect great social network fights, women screaming at eachother over Twitter, Cavendish to throw himself into the frame as a mediator, Contador laughing and walking away with the title, and generally just a lot of lovely media quotes. Oh, how I'm looking forward to that..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 28, 2012, 12:01
The problem here is that Froome was pretty put out by his treatment in the Vuelta. He was the leader for Sky in the final week (admittedly a toothless final week) but it ended up being too late by then.

I do not think he will want a repeat of that no matter what, he is generally placid but in terms of the Vuelta debacle he has made his thoughts very clear and if the Tour starts off in a similar vein with him being limited by Wiggins, I do not think he will best pleased and indeed he has a right to be disappointed if it may cost him the Tour, the competition will probably be sterner this year (we have to wait and see, we said the same thing last year.. then Contador was banned, Evans went bad, Samu broke ribs, Menchov was never to be seen again and Schleck went off the map) and he needs every bit of help he can get..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 28, 2012, 12:09
The problem here is that Froome was pretty put out by his treatment in the Vuelta. He was the leader for Sky in the final week (admittedly a toothless final week) but it ended up being too late by then.

I do not think he will want a repeat of that no matter what, he is generally placid but in terms of the Vuelta debacle he has made his thoughts very clear and if the Tour starts off in a similar vein with him being limited by Wiggins, I do not think he will best pleased and indeed he has a right to be disappointed if it may cost him the Tour, the competition will probably be sterner this year (we have to wait and see, we said the same thing last year.. then Contador was banned, Evans went bad, Samu broke ribs, Menchov was never to be seen again and Schleck went off the map) and he needs every bit of help he can get..

Anyone who didnt see Contador's ban coming a mile off has only themselves to blame, Cadel was 35 and the course did not suit Andy Schleck 1 bit (he may have won the Tour for someone else but he would never win it for himself).   So im a bit puzzled to hear there were people who thought the competition would be sterner in 2012.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 28, 2012, 12:15
Anyone who didnt see Contador's ban coming a mile off has only themselves to blame, Cadel was 35 and the course did not suit Andy Schleck 1 bit (he may have won the Tour for someone else but he would never win it for himself).   So im a bit puzzled to hear there were people who thought the competition would be sterner in 2012.
Than in 2011?
Maybe later I will dig out the previews I had from the beginning of the season on the Tour.. but I personally believe you exxagerate a bit Contador's ban. It was touch and go.. they could never find enough evidence to convict properly in the end. Cadel was 35 but he had never showed any signs of slowing prior to this season and seemed to be getting better with age. You can never discout the reigning Tour champion like that. Andy was still the best climber in the world at the time (ok probably..). And then there was Menchov coming back to the Tour (you personally thought he would have a chance  ;)), Nibs deciding to fight it out for the Tour rather than the Giro.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 28, 2012, 12:17

If Wiggo wins the Giro, he'll be mentioned as one of the big favourites for the Tour. Particularly by British media who don't know how hard the Giro-Tour double is. If that were the case, Wiggins would be nominal leader, and when he'd collapse in the third week Froome would take over. The question is, will that protect Froome from the pressure in the first weeks, or will it prevent him from attacking and gaining time?

No the British media will wonder why their only reference point Armstrong never did the Giro and begin to ask questions. After the first 3 cycling experts on their list including Boardman  reply with "Giro? What the hell is that", they will ask Millar or someone and find out that the reason is the Giro Tour double is hard.

No way do i see the wiggins media dumping extra pressure on their favorite when its clear the Giro is actually a legitimate excuse for underperformance

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Should Wiggins crash out or abandon without serious injuries, he'll probably want a full shot at the Tour again. That would mean the biggest clash between Wiggins and Froome. I expect great social network fights, women screaming at eachother over Twitter, Cavendish to throw himself into the frame as a mediator, Contador laughing and walking away with the title, and generally just a lot of lovely media quotes. Oh, how I'm looking forward to that..


I know you are joking for the most part but Bailsford  has built up an image of himself as a manager who focuses on team spirit, and controlling all the little details. an in team fight played out in the media would destroy both those carefully crafted perceptions and Bailsford will never let that happen.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on December 28, 2012, 12:21
I just hope and pray Wiggins will be strong enough to be ahead of Froome after the first ITT, before the real big mountains. Ideally he'd even be in yellow by then (which isn't that unlikely). Now which team is going to make the current GC leader and defending champion work for someone else? Honestly, they can't ask that of poor Wiggo, can they? ;D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 28, 2012, 12:52
I just hope and pray Wiggins will be strong enough to be ahead of Froome after the first ITT, before the real big mountains. Ideally he'd even be in yellow by then (which isn't that unlikely). Now which team is going to make the current GC leader and defending champion work for someone else? Honestly, they can't ask that of poor Wiggo, can they? ;D
The solution to that is so simple you appear to have missed it. They won't make wiggins work for froome and they won't make froome work for wiggins.both ride in the train and do what they want in the mountains. In fact that's probably how they play it regardless of whether wiggins is in yellow.or not.

Unless wiggins feels his strength fading and decides to work for froome voluntarily.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on December 28, 2012, 13:10
I do not foresee Froome doing anything which is not in the best interests of his final GC (whilst he is still in the game).
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 28, 2012, 14:03
Than in 2011?
Maybe later I will dig out the previews I had from the beginning of the season on the Tour.. but I personally believe you exxagerate a bit Contador's ban. It was touch and go.. they could never find enough evidence to convict properly in the end. Cadel was 35 but he had never showed any signs of slowing prior to this season and seemed to be getting better with age. You can never discout the reigning Tour champion like that. Andy was still the best climber in the world at the time (ok probably..). And then there was Menchov coming back to the Tour (you personally thought he would have a chance  ;)), Nibs deciding to fight it out for the Tour rather than the Giro.
Contadors case was not touch and go. The rules were clear from the start that contador had to prove  the clen did not come.from.doping and he never had a chance of doing that. The only doubt was from.the cynics asking if his lawyers could somehow bribe  cas to backdate the suspension a year rather than the mandatory 2.

" you can never discount a reigning tour champion" yes you can. Pereiro sastre, and i don't believe wiggins has a chance at defense either. But im  not discounting Evans just saying he would not make the competition sterner than in 2011 because he was there already at his best in 2011 and could only get weaker with an extra year.

Menchov yeah i admit he was seen as a real threat by me and others. Especially since the bookies totally underrated him. I thought he would be there and challenge.

Andy is the best climber but if you look at the route you will see that he would have very few chances to put this climbing skill to any use. The moment the route was announced everyone said this would be a good year for Andy to try the giro. He even had to address these suggestions.


As for nibali don't make me laugh. He's a true racer with a lot of balls but he has a tt barely better than andy schleck and not half the climber. He might make the competition for a top 5 sterner but there is a long way to go before he adds any major strength to a tdf gc fight.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on December 28, 2012, 15:08
The solution to that is so simple you appear to have missed it. They won't make wiggins work for froome and they won't make froome work for wiggins.both ride in the train and do what they want in the mountains. In fact that's probably how they play it regardless of whether wiggins is in yellow.or not.

Unless wiggins feels his strength fading and decides to work for froome voluntarily.
Absolutely. No Cavendish means that Froome and Wiggins could have a train each. They won't of course, but Porte and Siutsou Kiryenka etc will be able to see off most of the field, and Wiggins and Froome will have to work things out from there.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: againsttheclock on December 28, 2012, 15:42
The solution to that is so simple you appear to have missed it. They won't make wiggins work for froome and they won't make froome work for wiggins.both ride in the train and do what they want in the mountains. In fact that's probably how they play it regardless of whether wiggins is in yellow.or not.

Unless wiggins feels his strength fading and decides to work for froome voluntarily.

All well and good but if we're down to a group of 8 and Alberto attacks, everyone will look to Wiggins and Froome to make the pace...so who will? 

Co-captaincy so rarely works. 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on December 28, 2012, 15:52
The solution to that is so simple you appear to have missed it. They won't make wiggins work for froome and they won't make froome work for wiggins.both ride in the train and do what they want in the mountains. In fact that's probably how they play it regardless of whether wiggins is in yellow.or not.

Unless wiggins feels his strength fading and decides to work for froome voluntarily.

Aw come on, let a man dream of controversy.. :P

Also, Againsttheclock makes a good point. If someone gets away and one of the Sky boys has the yellow, they will have to do the chasing. Then who works for who? Porte and Sivtsov can only do so much, when it's Contador, Schleck and Rodriguez attacking they won't be able to help. Froome might jump on the wheels of attackers and refuse to cooperate while Wiggins diesels back up the hill, but Froome would want the stages and time on the rest as well.

I still hold hope for some fights in the Sky camp, although I fear Hitch will be right and all will be managed effectively.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on December 28, 2012, 16:28
All well and good but if we're down to a group of 8 and Alberto attacks, everyone will look to Wiggins and Froome to make the pace...so who will? 

Co-captaincy so rarely works.
froome will go with contador. Wiggins will pace hisself or get a teammate to do.it. Or.froome will pace himself and not care if wiggins follows him or not because ultimately froome knows he will be able to break wiggins when he wants.

As far as im concerned wiggins if he does become.co.captain will be co captain tstrictly for feel.good reasons. He is.not.going to actually compete with froome contador and schleck unless they all get injured.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on January 01, 2013, 19:33
Sky have updated their website so profiles of new riders (some proof reading might have been good for the Q and As), also updated are the races for 2013.  Most notable is that no Strade Bianche again and only US Pro challenge of the US races (I thought it might be more now with Dombo and Boswell on board).  No doubt the programme is provisional but still interesting.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 01, 2013, 19:40
I dont think RCS have announced the Strade Bianche lineups yet and as its not WT they wont list it yet. You would think with the dedicated classics squad this year, doing nothing but one day races they would plan to do it.

US - I very much doubt Sky will ever bother doing Tour of California again. The only purpose for them to do it is because its shown on the tv in the uk. They have no sponsors over there (unless murdoch adds more names to the shirt), they dont see it as tour preparation (they won the tour without doing it), it isnt worth any World Tour points. The pro cycling challenge is a better race and comes at a better time of year for them.

You do have to wonder how the Pro Cycling \Challenge organisers feel about getting the #1 team in the world, and the Tour of California organisers feel about not getting the #1 team in teh world. :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on January 01, 2013, 19:55
presumably the classics squad will do Qatar?

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 02, 2013, 15:53
Dan Hunt joins the team as a director Sportif.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 02, 2013, 20:03
Bit unusual for a track coach to go into a road car isn't it?  Can't imagine he knows huge amounts about road tactics...  :-\
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: againsttheclock on January 02, 2013, 20:12
He says as much himself. Good to see fresh faces, a recruitment that's actually in line with what was claimed to be their way forward from the beginning.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 02, 2013, 20:52
Bit unusual for a track coach to go into a road car isn't it?  Can't imagine he knows huge amounts about road tactics...  :-\
Not unusual for Sky in terms of that they got their main man Kerrison from the swimmers and got Shaun Stephens from the triathlon side of things. Though granted that being in the car is a bit different to working on the sidelines.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 02, 2013, 20:59
Actually saying that he actually does seem to have quite a bit of experience on the road and was with Sky a bit in their first season before solely focusing on the track in the build up to the Olympics.

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The Brit was part of the team during its inaugural season in 2010, dovetailing his work on the road with his coaching position on the track within British Cycling.

Fresh from a momentous summer which saw him help guide the men’s team pursuit quartet to a world record-breaking defence of their Olympic title in London, Hunt is now ready to reintegrate himself into road racing.

With Team Sky and British Cycling sharing a base at the National Cycling Centre in Manchester - as well as training camps and a common leader in Dave Brailsford - Hunt already has an intimate knowledge of the team and staff.

“We’ve walked the same corridors with the same people for three or four years now,” said Hunt. “I know everyone on this team and I have a fantastic relationship with them all.”

As for the job at hand, after a few years out of the team car, Hunt admits: “I want to learn the races and re-learn the job of a Sports Director. But maybe also bring different things to the table, because I’m not an ex-pro. I haven’t ridden these races, so I’ve got a bit of homework to do.

And also:
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“In 2010 I was asked to DS on the road. I ended up doing quite a lot – around 80 days. I didn’t start racing until Tour de Picardie in May so it was a lot of racing, mainly as second DS. I did a heavy summer road programme and then went straight back onto the track. 2010 was the start of Olympic qualification and we had to start scoring points, starting at the European Champs.”

Makes it a bit more explicable now.

He also knows some of the guys really well, specifically the likes of Swift, Thomas, Kennaugh who he coached and liased with on the track.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 04, 2013, 14:19
Team Kit prices finally released.

Full replica short sleeved jersey £75
Full replica Pro Jersey £150
KIds replica jerseys £50

They are though doing a "Supporters" jersey which is basically a loose fit casual version of the jersey that looks like a cycle jersey but isnt priced at £40

http://www.rapha.cc/shop/jerseys-and-baselayers (http://www.rapha.cc/shop/jerseys-and-baselayers)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 04, 2013, 14:54
Gulp.  A quick google shows me that, by way of comparison, a Saxo jersey will cost just under £60, and a Belgium Champion jersey from OPQS is about £46. 




Edit:  I think I've got these figures right.  Happy to be told otherwise...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 04, 2013, 15:04
Gulp.  A quick google shows me that, by way of comparison, a Saxo jersey will cost just under £60, and a Belgium Champion jersey from OPQS is about £46. 




Edit:  I think I've got these figures right.  Happy to be told otherwise...
I guess it all comes down to the quality of the team. Top class teams have more expensive shirts than merely average teams or teams on the verge of Pro Conti.

 :-[
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on January 04, 2013, 15:15
Demand, not quality. Though the former's proportional to the latter. Still well overpriced, unless they've still got the sales.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 04, 2013, 16:35
Got to say the t-shirt at £25 is superb

(http://www.rapha.cc/images/gallery/3802-100.jpg)(http://www.rapha.cc/images/gallery/3802-101.jpg)

Im taking credit for this.. i did mockups back in summer 2011 :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on January 04, 2013, 21:34
By the way, what is that third sponsor logo on the back (below Sky and Pinarello, looks like a # with three stripes instead of two)?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 04, 2013, 21:36
By the way, what is that third sponsor logo on the back (below Sky and Pinarello, looks like a # with three stripes instead of two)?

(http://niadhelp.com/images/logo-main.png)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Havetts on January 04, 2013, 21:39
Rapha? Not sure, might be because its on the front as well..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 17, 2013, 10:00
Chris Froome - The Next Tour de France Winner? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SE-yypzlv0#ws)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on January 18, 2013, 15:17
Team GB and Team Sky head coach Shane Sutton steps down from his position to take up a part time advisory role, reports The Daily Telegraph.

"I'm working in a support role alongside Dave [Brailsford, team director] as an advisor and a troubleshooter," says Sutton. "We've worked together for a long time and we've got a good working relationship.

"If there is an issue that the team has identified or an area that needs exploring then Dave will be able to bring me in and we can take a look at it."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9811064/Exclusive-Shane-Sutton-steps-down-as-Team-Skys-head-coach.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9811064/Exclusive-Shane-Sutton-steps-down-as-Team-Skys-head-coach.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 18, 2013, 17:41
I tweeted this on the 8th January.. Telegraph and CN are talking out their butts. :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 18, 2013, 22:27
I tweeted this on the 8th January.. Telegraph and CN are talking out their butts. :D

All hail Dim :pray

With so much change behind the scenes over the winter, will be interesting to see what effect, if any, it has on the road. 

On a different note, with the season about to begin, I can't wait to see how Luke Rowe gets on this year - showed signs of his promise last year, and hopefully, he will get the chance to kick on this year and do something special
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on January 18, 2013, 23:53
so who IS working there this year?

all I have heard is people leaving ... who have they picked up?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on January 19, 2013, 03:17
so who IS working there this year?

all I have heard is people leaving ... who have they picked up?
PERFORMANCE
Sir Dave Brailsford
Dr Steve Peters
Carsten Jeppesen
Fran Millar
Tim Kerrison
Rod Ellingworth
Shane Sutton
Marcus Ljungqvist
Dan Hunt
Servais Knaven
Nicolas Portal
Shaun Stephens
Kurt-Asle Arvesen
Alan Farrell
Richard Freeman
Phil Riley
Richard Usher

Dim, why is the sky website so sh*te?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 19, 2013, 11:02
The 'GC squad' in Mallorca - http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,17548_8409142,00.html#photo=0 (http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,17548_8409142,00.html#photo=0)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on January 19, 2013, 19:53
Wow, J-Lo D-Bro looks like he is about 12 years old.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 19, 2013, 20:26
so who IS working there this year?

all I have heard is people leaving ... who have they picked up?
dan hunt from the track, ellingworth will do some ds'ing (god help us) and shaun stephens.

Post Merge: January 19, 2013, 20:28

Dim, why is the sky website so sh*te?

the guy who did the original dev and ran it for 2 years left in july. But if anything, its actually a bit slicker now.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on January 20, 2013, 13:10
Wow, J-Lo D-Bro looks like he is about 12 years old.

No opinion on that. But I absolutely love the nickname! :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on January 21, 2013, 18:49
For any UK members without Sky (but with Freeview), Bradley Wiggins - A Year in Yellow will be on Pick TV on Thursday 24.1.13 at 7.30pm.  (its on youtube somewhere as well I think.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 22, 2013, 13:21
(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2012/12/27/2/000_dv1217404_220.jpg)
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-confirms-the-giro-ditalia-as-his-major-goal-of-2013 (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-confirms-the-giro-ditalia-as-his-major-goal-of-2013)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on January 22, 2013, 14:03
Nice interview with Knees:
http://www.christianknees.de/cms/index.php/news#english (http://www.christianknees.de/cms/index.php/news#english)
I wonder if he doped before that though?

In that L'Equipe 'score' in 2010 he had a high value, 7 or so.

--> Doping talk to the Dark Side, folks. :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 22, 2013, 14:55
Oops  :embarrassed

And moved  :cheesy
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 23, 2013, 20:39
Ok Sky playing guess the Sky rider :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBUEpLlCYAAfeVU.jpg:large)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 25, 2013, 14:06
http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france (http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france)

Goodish piece
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 29, 2013, 15:01
ha ha

Bradley Wiggins on 2013 Giro d'Italia, Tour de France and Froome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efcybb_vzak#ws)

doing the dbl brought back into limelight

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 29, 2013, 20:53
Good to see the hunger back. Reformed Wiggo was always more likely to have it back but there was always the danger 2013 could become 2010.

With Kerrison :win I wouldn't want to put the double past them, but...no.. Bradley.. no.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on January 30, 2013, 03:37
Darling (no connection to Alistair), what do you want to do when you grow up? I want to be the Prime Minister. When I become Prime Minister, I will make the country a superpower.


"With Kerrison...  I wouldn't want to put the double past them"
Wouldn't want to put it past them? Sorry, but anyone that does do that double can have his file marked.

He can win the Giro; doubt Nibali's mint enough to beat a 2012 Wiggins. Basso, yes, Ivan there with Wiggins.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france (http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france)

Goodish piece
Very good article. David Kinjah rung a bell, was in the early break of Melbourne commonwealths. ANd the Aussie kit then was good, compared to the sh*te now.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 30, 2013, 07:16
ha ha

Bradley Wiggins on 2013 Giro d'Italia, Tour de France and Froome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efcybb_vzak#ws)

doing the dbl brought back into limelight



Poor Froomey
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on January 30, 2013, 07:28
Sorry, but anyone that does do that double can have his file marked.

Well said.

I saw this yesterday:

"@cyclopathy: @fmk_RoI no, amnesty is not the issue. A full education plan by UCI and reduce races from the cycling calendar, also stage races max 2 weeks"
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on January 30, 2013, 08:01
Won't make any more insinuations (better off on other parts of the forum), Wiggins is a darn good rider, but not Giro tour double level. Don't think he's close.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kabloemski on January 30, 2013, 08:28
Ah yes, of course, Dark Side, forgot.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 30, 2013, 15:05
Squads for February

Classics Squad:

Qatar - Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Gabriel Rasch, Luke Rowe, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton, Geraint Thomas

Omloop - Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Salvatore Puccio, Gabriel Rasch, Ian Stannard, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas

Kuurne - Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Luke Rowe, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas

Le Samyn - Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Salvatore Puccio, Gabriel Rasch, Luke Rowe, Chris Sutton, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas

Giro/Tour Squad

Mallorca Challenge -  Ian Boswell, Josh Edmondson, Sergio Henao, David López, Danny Pate, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Ben Swift, Jonathan Tiernan-Locke, Rigoberto Urán, Bradley Wiggins, Xabier Zandio

Oman - Dario Cataldo, Joe Dombrowski, Chris Froome, Peter Kennaugh, Vasil Kiryienka, Christian Knees, Richie Porte, Bradley Wiggins

Volta ao Algarve - Ian Boswell, Josh Edmondson, Sergio Henao, David López, Danny Pate, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Jonathan Tiernan-Locke, Rigoberto Urán

from there, the bulk of the Oman squad will head off to Tirreno Adriatico, while the Algarve squad go to Paris Nice, although it could be that Froome will jump across to the other squad then.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 30, 2013, 15:12
Is wiggins actually talking about winning both, or it not having been done in the modern age to win both, or is he talking about being competitive in both, which arguably hasnt been done for a fair while either.

I think hes talking about Tim thinking its possible to be competative in post, and hes just feeding the press a bit of a worm to see if they bite.

Be interesting to see the Paris Nice squad. If froome gets to ride that then the plan is still froome for the tour, if hes forced to follow wiggins around tirreno..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on January 30, 2013, 15:29
Is wiggins actually talking about winning both, or it not having been done in the modern age to win both, or is he talking about being competitive in both, which arguably hasnt been done for a fair while either.

I think hes talking about Tim thinking its possible to be competative in post, and hes just feeding the press a bit of a worm to see if they bite.

Be interesting to see the Paris Nice squad. If froome gets to ride that then the plan is still froome for the tour, if hes forced to follow wiggins around tirreno..

The implication of this article is that Wiggins will skip both PN and TA and go from Oman to Cataluyna  :link (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_8431901,00.html)

As for the tour I think he is saying he wants to be a credible alternative to Froome if he should falter and by implication play a similar role to Froome in 2012.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on January 30, 2013, 16:31
Is wiggins actually talking about winning both, or it not having been done in the modern age to win both, or is he talking about being competitive in both, which arguably hasnt been done for a fair while either.

I think hes talking about Tim thinking its possible to be competative in post, and hes just feeding the press a bit of a worm to see if they bite.

Be interesting to see the Paris Nice squad. If froome gets to ride that then the plan is still froome for the tour, if hes forced to follow wiggins around tirreno..
I don't know what he said, it's a video after all, and I thought it was a parody video judging by the dodgy background. And interpreting his statements, be it positive or negative, are a rather grating task.

Being perfectly honest though, he's shown that he's not an Oxbridge educated orator (not many cyclists seem to be), and I certainly don't think he's got the tact to manipulate the media into following on from his quote. He'd certainly not have imploded/exploded (depending on the POV) if he'd had those traits. He's nowhere near Lance Armstrong in that regard.

He's one of those sportsmen I'd rather see riding a time trial than listening to.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 30, 2013, 17:18
A Team Sky webchat where you can ask questions to JTL and Swift. From 5-6 British time.

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17545_8456251,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17545_8456251,00.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on January 30, 2013, 17:39
A Team Sky webchat where you can ask questions to JTL and Swift. From 5-6 British time.

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17545_8456251,00.html (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17545_8456251,00.html)
JTL seems nicely settled in and relaxed.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 06, 2013, 18:20
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thomas-builds-for-classics-at-tour-of-qatar (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thomas-builds-for-classics-at-tour-of-qatar)

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Thus, rather than race in France or Italy in early March, Team Sky's classics outfit, including Geraint Thomas, Bernhard Eisel and Edvald Boasson Hagen, will train in the relative seclusion of Mount Teide, Tenerife for close to two weeks ahead of Milano-Sanremo. The dormant volcano was an important training site for Team Sky's Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome ahead of the 2012 Tour de France, as well as for third-placed Vincenzo Nibali an many of his new Astana and former Liquigas-Cannondale teammates.
Interesting that Tenerife rather than being dropped really seems like the place for Sky to be atm, you wouldn't think of it for the classics squad but Kerrison has nailed everything he has done so far.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on February 06, 2013, 18:40
Seems like a huge gamble if you go by conventional cycling wisdom. From a fan perspective I'm mostly just annoyed that I won't see some of my favourite riders in those great early-season stage races.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on February 11, 2013, 18:25
Wiggo :fp

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-confirms-that-froome-will-lead-team-sky-in-oman (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-confirms-that-froome-will-lead-team-sky-in-oman)

Wiggins prefers to focus on his own training and racing rather than gathering intelligence on his key rivals. He did not know that Contador had won in Argentina and struggled to identify Joaquim Rodriguez.

"I don’t really follow the results. What did he (Contador) do?" he asked, with genuine ingenuity.

"I think he's probably the favourite on a climb like that. Then there's the Spanish guy from Katusha who is quite good too. Looking how steep it is in the book, it seems suited to those guys."
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 11, 2013, 18:34
He's in the zone  :cool:
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on February 11, 2013, 18:37
Wiggins taking the mick regarding Rodriguez. As far as contador, how many fans even bother keeping up with the results of San Luis, i doubt half the peloton checks all the latest results for races their team isnt involved in. To be honest, I know contador was at San Luis, but i couldnt tell you if he won a stage and if he did which one, i really wasnt paying much attention.

The J-Rod thing is amusing though :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 11, 2013, 18:43
Yeh he certainly knew who Purito was. I guess his point was that he isn't really bothered atm about this race and where he finishes. It isn't for him.
Though having said that he isn't the brightest cookie in the jar.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on February 11, 2013, 22:50
Wiggo is the wind-up master, I love it, and he knows exactly what he is doing.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on February 11, 2013, 23:28
thats is just gamesmanship.

pretty well done ...  :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on February 11, 2013, 23:53
Gamesmanship and winding up who? To what end?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on February 12, 2013, 00:00
Gamesmanship and winding up who? To what end?

Dont think its gamesmanship against J-rod, its gamesmanship against the press and fans. Brad just loves giving the snarks something to get het up about.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on February 12, 2013, 00:05
 So he punks J Rod like that just to get some power kick? Strange to say the least
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on February 12, 2013, 00:35
So he punks J Rod like that just to get some power kick? Strange to say the least

It's not aimed at J-Rod, it's aimed at the press and the fans.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on February 12, 2013, 03:06
McGrath, or is it Warney? Still should be enough to grate off the arse of many around. The reaction will make it funny.

In real news
http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/8494769/Bradley-Wiggins-and-Mark-Cavendish-warned-over-track-cycling-return (http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/8494769/Bradley-Wiggins-and-Mark-Cavendish-warned-over-track-cycling-return)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on February 12, 2013, 06:44
Its not wiggins comments that annoy. These ones anyway seem harmless, which is the point. Its the declarations by fans like was always the case with mourinho, evertime he says something that whatever words.come.out of his.mouth in whatever order must be part of some  thoroughly thought out chessmaster mind games designed for maximum.impact.

By calling j.rod.a katusha rider, really? In an offhand comment at the crappiest race of the crappiest month to an article no one will read. From.a guy notorious for not thinking before speaking.
Really?

Wiggins could fart into the microphone without noticing and some.people here would analyze it as a carefully designed critique of 1 his haters, 2 the uci and 3 the UN, all.at once.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on February 12, 2013, 06:50
He's no genius, and spews a lot of shoite, I've said that earlier. If he was savvy he'd have easily avoided the doping fracas in the past.

This wasn't mastery, but it was a pretty obvious wind up. Really, does a wind up need media training? And seeing that CN article, the first comment shows that he has grated some.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on February 12, 2013, 08:32
so actually wiggins is just a bit of a jerk
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on February 12, 2013, 08:42
The reactions make it funny, QED.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 12, 2013, 09:54
Exactly. It winds up people who don't like him and amuses people who do; mainly because it winds up people who don't like him.

It's self-fulfilling but couldn't be made possible without the help of negative comments. So thanks to those who made them.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on February 12, 2013, 10:05
I seriously don't understand why Wiggo fans like his behavior. If Alberto started doing sh*t like this I would not like him anymore. Show some respect I'd tell him.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on February 12, 2013, 10:20
Remember when Lance called out CVV and Sastre? :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 12, 2013, 13:36
I seriously don't understand why Wiggo fans like his behavior. If Alberto started doing sh*t like this I would not like him anymore. Show some respect I'd tell him.
If Wiggins started doing that twitty pretending to shoot a gun thing, he'd have to be a lot more amusing to make me still like him. No sign he's going to, fortunately.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on February 12, 2013, 16:56
Whats worse, Wiggins behaviour, or the behaviour of the press who jump on every single backhanded comment and turn it into a story?

They are both as bad as each other, Wiggins for winding them up, the press for falling for it and publicising it, and then of course the fans read the press, get the wrong idea, and in the month of february, with not much racing going on, who are we talking about.. Wiggins :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on February 12, 2013, 17:35
If Wiggins started doing that twitty pretending to shoot a gun thing, he'd have to be a lot more amusing to make me still like him. No sign he's going to, fortunately.

Doing that twitty pretending to shoot a gun thing says nothing about his personality though, fortunately.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 12, 2013, 20:01
Just a reminder we are all friends and respect each other
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 12, 2013, 23:14
Yeh Wiggo plays the media merry go round very nicely imo.
At the same time he does come across as a bit weird and he probably is..but then aren't we all?   :P

And the media.. you would think they are studying English literature back in school analysing the number of commas in each stanza and then reasoning out the deeper meaning behind those commas  :rolleye
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on February 12, 2013, 23:50

And the media.. you would think they are studying English literature back in school analysing the number of commas in each stanza and then reasoning out the deeper meaning behind those commas  :rolleye


The media?  :S

The headline of the article was "Wiggins confirms that Froome will lead Team Sky in Oman" and 99% of it was about how Wiggins and Froome are doing in Oman

There was a very brief mention right at the end with absolutely no analysis that Wiggins "struggled to identify Joaquim Rodríguez"

So where exactly was all this - " analysing the number of commas in each stanza and then reasoning out the deeper meaning behind those commas".?


The only people who seem to be  overanalyzing his comments are you guys with comments like this.
Quote
Wiggo plays the media merry go round very nicely imo.



Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ansimi on February 13, 2013, 10:36
I predict Wiggins will make a lot more news in 2013 for saying stupid things than for his bike riding.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 13, 2013, 12:03
I predict Wiggins will make a lot more news in 2013 for saying stupid things than for his bike riding.

cool, then we can discuss the comments and why he said them and who posted what and what that means again

 :'(
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on February 13, 2013, 12:13
We need to employ a linguistics specialist to analyze the comments of Wiggins and subsequent comments by us for a definitive answer IMO.



Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on February 13, 2013, 13:52
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/different-role-at-giro-ditalia-for-uran (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/different-role-at-giro-ditalia-for-uran)

Quote
Different role at Giro d'Italia for Uran
"This year will be different because I will be fully available to the team"

I'm not really a Sky hater but if Uran and Henao end up spending their entire season on the Sky train in the service of Wiggins and/or Froome, I will be hugely disappointed.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on February 13, 2013, 14:07
Well, they should get the Ardennes (as support for JTL  :lol ). They aren't really good enough to be genuine leaders in stage races other than say Catalunya, Basque, Trentino, Poland, Burgos. Should be racing Catalunya and Trentino though so will get opportunity there.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on February 13, 2013, 14:31
Aye, I'm still not convinced if Uran can ever deliver in stage races apart from the occasional flashy top 5 top 10 or whatever on the climbs.  Henao is a more interesting rider for me.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on February 13, 2013, 14:33
Wiggins was dropped today in Oman :evil:
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on February 13, 2013, 17:06
Aye, I'm still not convinced if Uran can ever deliver in stage races apart from the occasional flashy top 5 top 10 or whatever on the climbs.  Henao is a more interesting rider for me.

That's fair enough but let's see some more evidence to prove it. Never going to find out if they both have to sit there and drag the rubios up mountains all year! :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on February 13, 2013, 17:11
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/different-role-at-giro-ditalia-for-uran (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/different-role-at-giro-ditalia-for-uran)

I'm not really a Sky hater but if Uran and Henao end up spending their entire season on the Sky train in the service of Wiggins and/or Froome, I will be hugely disappointed.

He only mentions the giro though, last year he and sergio were given free reign to do what they wanted in the giro, this year they are domestiques. its only one race though. Think its a long way from the two of them being domestiques all year.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on February 13, 2013, 17:16
Looking at the squad for Algarve, the pair of them - along with JTL - will be the hope for the GC there. Not sure any of the three of them have the sort of TT ability that Wiggo and Froome have. In the GTs that's where they would come unstuck, and with Tony Martin in Portugal with them, I suspect they will come unstuck there as well.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 13, 2013, 18:14


The media?  :S

The headline of the article was "Wiggins confirms that Froome will lead Team Sky in Oman" and 99% of it was about how Wiggins and Froome are doing in Oman

There was a very brief mention right at the end with absolutely no analysis that Wiggins "struggled to identify Joaquim Rodríguez"

So where exactly was all this - " analysing the number of commas in each stanza and then reasoning out the deeper meaning behind those commas".?


The only people who seem to be  overanalyzing his comments are you guys with comments like this.
I would say personally from what I see it is safe to say that the media do go OTT with Sir Brad and what he says, especially the British media who seem to fawn over him a bit. Over the off season he must have made numerous references to his decisions about the Giro each one which led to another couple of articles.

And sorry I guess that is just me being a bit disenchanted with analysing commas atm, but I wouldn't say that such a statement is over analysing. It is just a general opinion of how he presents himself to the media.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 13, 2013, 18:48
He only mentions the giro though, last year he and sergio were given free reign to do what they wanted in the giro, this year they are domestiques. its only one race though. Think its a long way from the two of them being domestiques all year.
Maybe not domestiques for the whole year but riders with their obvious talent do deserve more. Froome and Wiggo will be given priority for all the stage races they enter and that will probably leave them with the lesser ones to themselves if someone like Porte doesn't come and then challenge himself (though Porte will probably be following Froome around mostly I guess). The Ardennes classics can be theirs because Sky don't have a standout challenger, but they still need to prove themselves there. I don't know if Froome will be racing them but even if he does I doubt they are very high on his agenda and JTL..who knows?

They definitely showed with their Lombardia performance they can cope and challenge in the classics and so I am hoping they show what they are capable of this year. The Tour is off limits which means they will be left with the Vuelta. You can't really predict what will happen and who will go to the Vuelta at the beginning of the year and you can never know what can occur which may lead some riders to ride it. Hopefully they get their chance in the Vuelta this year though and maybe even in the Giro if something happens to Wiggo as it would be a shame to see a whole year wasted with them as domestiques when they so obviously have such amazing GT potential.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on February 14, 2013, 01:30
the problem with signing on a team full of stars is that there are often limited opportunities. 

The thing is though - when they do get those opportunities, they will have a pretty great team dedicated to them, so they have a good shot at the chances they do get.

Its a double edged sword
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on February 14, 2013, 01:40
Wait in the queue, Richie Porte's still...

Post Merge: February 14, 2013, 01:59
And why's this a stuck on top topic?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on February 14, 2013, 02:36
Wait in the queue, Richie Porte's still...

Post Merge: February 14, 2013, 01:59
And why's this a stuck on top topic?

think someone just clicked sticky by mistake, for us mods its a button next to reply and everything else.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ram on February 14, 2013, 02:43
Ah, cheers.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Reno on February 15, 2013, 10:14
He only mentions the giro though, last year he and sergio were given free reign to do what they wanted in the giro, this year they are domestiques. its only one race though. Think its a long way from the two of them being domestiques all year.

That's fair, innit? Henao has stated he does have some room for his own ambitions, among which the young riders' jersey.
But what struck me is that Teak SKY is sending their A-team to the Giro (except Froome), assuming Uran/Henao/Porte won't be doing the Giro&Tour double, will Froome have enough strong mountain support?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on February 15, 2013, 16:34
If you have Wiggins and Froome as team leaders, it seems only logical to have Uran and Henao as their domestiques. But if they can (co-)lead in the Vuelta and some other races (Ardennes come to mind for Uran), I think they can be content with their situation.

I don't think Froome has much to worry about. He'll likely have both Wiggins and Porte supporting him at the Tour, who will still be good despite having ridden a Giro. Plus they have guys like Cataldo, Sivtsov, perhaps Dombro, and even EBH and Thomas. There are the makings of a more than decent Tour squad imo.
Besides, Froome doesn't need a train as much as Wiggins. He can deal with tempo changes and respond to them, while he doesn't need a team to weaken the opposition before an attack since he'll have a ITT lead to defend anyway.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 16, 2013, 16:48
Poor Froome dog - still looks as if he has some way to go to win DB's complete backing: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsford-impressed-by-froomes-success-in-oman (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsford-impressed-by-froomes-success-in-oman)

I found this bit particularly revealing;
Quote
Brailsford does not have the same close relationship with Froome as he has with Wiggins. That, like Froome's Tour de France leadership ability is a work in progress
  Given that Wiggins is planning to be in good shape for the Tour, even with the Giro in his legs, how confident will Froome be of 100% support?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 16, 2013, 18:21
It's not surprising given that Brailsford has been working with Wiggins for years and Wiggins has provided him with a big percentage of his successes.


More interesting to me was this phrase, "There is no love lost between Brailsford and Team Saxo-Tinkoff manager Bjarne Riis ..."

Not something I was aware of.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on February 18, 2013, 16:50
http://www.elpedaldefrodo.com/rigoberto-uran-sky/ (http://www.elpedaldefrodo.com/rigoberto-uran-sky/)

Interview with rigo going over his cycling career. Mostly predictable.answers but still.interesting if you speak.Spanish. Main aim.this season is worlds and main aim for.his career.is gt podium he says.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 18, 2013, 17:46
Also:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536951/joe-dombrowski-s-successful-sky-debut-in-oman.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536951/joe-dombrowski-s-successful-sky-debut-in-oman.html)

Quote
"Young Joe Dombrowski rode 90 kilometres on the front [on Saturday] which he's never done before. It's great experience for him, something different and a nice little box ticked for him," Sky's principal, David Brailsford told Cycling Weekly.

"It's a new team, and you've got to learn to ride. All the other teams put us under pressure, and they responded. It sets it up for the rest of the season."

http://www.benswift.cc/news-blog/ (http://www.benswift.cc/news-blog/)

Good to hear that Swift is recovering well and hopefully he will have his fair chance at the cobbles. I am unsure as to how he will perform on them but it would be a shame if he at least did not get a proper shot at them this year.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 18, 2013, 17:57
Also:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536951/joe-dombrowski-s-successful-sky-debut-in-oman.html (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536951/joe-dombrowski-s-successful-sky-debut-in-oman.html)

http://www.benswift.cc/news-blog/ (http://www.benswift.cc/news-blog/)

Good to hear that Swift is recovering well and hopefully he will have his fair chance at the cobbles. I am unsure as to how he will perform on them but it would be a shame if he at least did not get a proper shot at them this year.
Yeah I really like Swift or as the French call him, Sweeeeft. My worry is that he's quite good at a number of disciplines but not great at any of them. Needs to specialise methinks.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on February 18, 2013, 20:34
Yeah I really like Swift or as the French call him, Sweeeeft. My worry is that he's quite good at a number of disciplines but not great at any of them. Needs to specialise methinks.

Poor man's EBH?   ;) 

He was pretty exceptional as a junior (4th in world's in Varese (?) iirc) but injuries and track commitments have meant he's not fulfilled his potential yet imo.  Here's hoping he stays injury free all year and has some good results.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 26, 2013, 11:39
Paris-Nice: Ian Boswell, Vasil Kiryienka, David Lopez, Danny Pate, Richie Porte, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Jonathan Tiernan-Locke, Xabier Zandio

Tirreno-Adriatico: Dario Cataldo, Joe Dombrowski, Chris Froome, Sergio Henao, Peter Kennaugh, Christian Knees, Salvatore Puccio, Rigoberto Uran

Mian-San Remo: Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Vasil Kiryienka, Salvatore Puccio, Gabriel Rasch, Luke Rowe, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas

Volta Catalunya: Dario Cataldo, Josh Edmondson, Peter Kennaugh, Christian Knees, David Lopez, Danny Pate, Rigoberto Uran, Bradley Wiggins

Dwars door Vlaanderen: Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Salvatore Puccio, Gabriel Rasch, Luke Rowe, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas

E3 Prijs Vlaanderen: Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Salvatore Puccio, Gabriel Rasch, Luke Rowe, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas

Criterium International: Ian Boswell, Josh Edmondson, Chris Froome, Vasil Kiryienka, Richie Porte, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Jonathan Tiernan-Locke, Xabier Zandio

Gent-Wevelgem: Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Salvatore Puccio, Gabriel Rasch, Luke Rowe, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas

Tour of Flanders: Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Mathew Hayman, Salvatore Puccio, Gabriel Rasch, Luke Rowe, Ian Stannard, Chris Sutton, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on February 26, 2013, 11:45
Paris-Nice: Edvald Boasson Hagen, Vasil Kiryienka, David Lopez, Danny Pate, Richie Porte, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Jonathan Tiernan-Locke, Xabier Zandio

I think they have mistaken EBH with Boswell, who said he'd do Paris - Nice (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/for-american-neo-pro-ian-boswell-paris-nice-is-the-latest-adventure_275914) while Eddie is supposed to be on training camp with the classics squad.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 26, 2013, 11:48
I think they have mistaken EBH with Boswell, who said he'd do Paris - Nice (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/for-american-neo-pro-ian-boswell-paris-nice-is-the-latest-adventure_275914) while Eddie is supposed to be on training camp with the classics squad.

made the change thanks
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 26, 2013, 12:44
I assume this means Porte been given a crack at P_N but without the support of any of the big boys this time; whereas at last year's Algarve, Porte had Wiggins and a fit Siutsiou working for him.

I wonder which GTs he'll have to tow the team leader around in, in return.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 26, 2013, 12:50
I assume this means Porte been given a crack at P_N but without the support of any of the big boys this time; whereas at last year's Algarve, Porte had Wiggins and a fit Siutsiou working for him.

I wonder which GTs he'll have to tow the team leader around in, in return.

already Froomes super dom so TDF and I assume Vuelta
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 26, 2013, 13:16
already Froomes super dom so TDF and I assume Vuelta
Would you rate the two Colombians as better GT shots currently? I'm not sure I would, which begs the question, Who would he be super-domming for in the Vuelta? Either he's to fatigued to be any use to anyone or he's got a chance himself.

Unless Wiggins rides but while the Vuelta is a series of uphill sprints and a ridiculously steep queen stage, I can't see Wiggins being interested.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 26, 2013, 13:22
Would you rate the two Colombians as better GT shots currently? I'm not sure I would, which begs the question, Who would he be super-domming for in the Vuelta? Either he's to fatigued to be any use to anyone or he's got a chance himself.

Unless Wiggins rides but while the Vuelta is a series of uphill sprints and a ridiculously steep queen stage, I can't see Wiggins being interested.

I would rate him as GT rider above the 2 Colombians

Hold on just as well , maybe not the same attack but ok and can ITT and recover better so as a GT rider I would yes

But I assume Froome or Wiggo will ride the Vuelta as leader
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: August on February 26, 2013, 13:49
Would you rate the two Colombians as better GT shots currently? I'm not sure I would, which begs the question, Who would he be super-domming for in the Vuelta? Either he's to fatigued to be any use to anyone or he's got a chance himself.

Unless Wiggins rides but while the Vuelta is a series of uphill sprints and a ridiculously steep queen stage, I can't see Wiggins being interested.

At the Vuelta the Colombians will be the leaders. Wiggins won't ride the Vuelta after doing the Giro and Tour.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 26, 2013, 13:51
I have a feeling that Wiggo might get beat up in the Giro and pull out of the tour.

he will be fatigued and ride the Vuelta , just a feeling 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 27, 2013, 15:42
I agree with you JSG. The other thing that always requires attention when it comes to Sky is that Brailsford is head of British Cycling too. If he thinks a rider has a shot at the Worlds, he'll need to think about selecting him for the Vuelta.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 28, 2013, 23:20
David Brailsford from today onwards shall no long be called by Dave but rather Sir Dave

Edit: Highlights here from around 1:15
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21612195 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21612195)
 :cheesy
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 01, 2013, 08:31
Just beautiful, everyone should watch this - Sky Cav focus , but amazing

 
It ain´t about Cav
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 15, 2013, 06:51
Countdown To The Classics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSb7bFxFR1w#ws)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 18, 2013, 14:16
Chris Froome asked Michelle to marry him

The soon to be Mrs Dog said to be happy  :lol

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 19, 2013, 11:38
(http://cyclingweekly.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11141/000009e45/221e_orh315w315/pn2013-st5-porte-podium.jpg)

Richie Porte's high hopes for Tour de France
  (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/537457/richie-porte-s-high-hopes-for-tour-de-france.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 23, 2013, 15:52
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/03/news/bradley-wiggins-hints-he-might-add-vuelta-a-espana-to-his-2013-program_278801 (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/03/news/bradley-wiggins-hints-he-might-add-vuelta-a-espana-to-his-2013-program_278801)

He he
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on March 23, 2013, 16:02
GT triple?
Is he nuts? :S

EDIT: Hang on, don't answer that. We already know he is.
Is he completely and utterly nuts?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 23, 2013, 18:00
GT triple?
Is he nuts? :S

EDIT: Hang on, don't answer that. We already know he is.
Is he completely and utterly nuts?

More like not ride the Tour I think.

as I said somewhere - I have a feeling Wiggo will come out of the Giro and say No tour for me too tired , by the way good luck Chris
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on March 23, 2013, 23:41
yep - if he is already talking about adding the Vuelta I think its fair to assume that is the plan.   Wiggo for Giro and Vuelta and Froomedog for Tour.

Makes sense really ... and Sky currently have enough high level dom's to field them each a decent enough team to make it happen.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on March 24, 2013, 07:44
Hmm, I didn't think of that.
But why on earth can't he just say that directly, instead of these vague half-sentences?
Would the British populace go mad if their "hero" didn't "defend" his title in the "greatest" race there is?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Kwibus on March 24, 2013, 08:00
I have a feeling that Wiggo might get beat up in the Giro and pull out of the tour.

he will be fatigued and ride the Vuelta , just a feeling

I think he will compete for the win. There are TT's in which he can gain a good amount of time on his competition an his rivals will have a hard time dropping him in the mountain. Luckily this is the Gio and not the TdF. There will be more variety in stages, allthough I haven't really chekked the ourse yet.

I doubt he will do the TDF though.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 26, 2013, 10:06
(http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2013/03/20130324-AM3P48581-659x440.jpg)

Great expectations: Sky a tale of two teams (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/03/news/great-expectations-sky-a-tale-of-two-teams_279077)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Blackbandit222 on March 26, 2013, 13:33
Other riders can benefit from Skys Mtn Train.  Inorder to capitalize they need a great TT and be prepared to attack in final 3k of stages.  In Criterium International, all other GC riders looked well below Skys performance on climb.  What ever happened to building form towards goal.  I know Sky has there consistent form mantra now.  Wiggins appears to still be building up for Giro which starts in a month......in contrast to last yr.  Maybe, he plans to build for TDF thru Giro n catch Froome off gua.rd
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sling on March 26, 2013, 21:42
Has anyone heard the reason for Tiernan-Locke's DNF at Crit Intl? I know he DNF at P-N, where he was ill, but not aware of any reason for the latest.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sling on March 26, 2013, 22:21
Thanks - I did hear that he'd been pulling hard early on the last stage but wasn't sure if anything had come out. Sounds likely in any case.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Havetts on March 26, 2013, 22:30
Was terrible weather on the climbing stage, so just pulling out might  be logical.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 11, 2013, 11:10
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-In9cCbZ8AZk/UWLq2P5K4DI/AAAAAAAANSI/0j7yOmMJ2Nk/s1600/EiselBongo.gif)

 :lol bored me thinks
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 16, 2013, 14:41
Sky's Giro and Tour teams near finalisation
  (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/537922/sky-s-giro-and-tour-teams-near-finalisation.html)

Cycling Weekly believes the Grand Tour teams will be roughly as follows...

Giro d'Italia: Bradley Wiggins, Pete Kennaugh, Dario Cataldo, Rigoberto Uran, Vasil Kiryienka, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Christian Knees, David Lopez, Danny Pate.

Tour de France (9 out of 10): Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Richie Porte, David Lopez, Sergio Henao, Vasil Kiryienka, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Edvald Boasson Hagen, Geraint Thomas, Bernhard Eisel.


Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on April 16, 2013, 20:25
There are quite a few things wrong with their predictions including that as far as I know Kiryienka is certainly doing the Tour.

They really only have confirmed that Kennaugh, Uran and Cataldo will be there, all of whom have confirmed that in interviews I have read from them. I also am quite sure that Lopez will be riding the Giro as well and Zandio.

Good thinking and nice to hear DB keeping realistic about Wiggins at the Tour. He may not even turn out to be a valuable domestic. Not rocket science but still the whole winning the double thing does get bit a tad tiresome.

Even more interesting though is the final word of the article:

Quote
"The reality is there'll be a little bit of question mark over Bradley coming out of the Giro," Brailsford added. "He could be flying, but he might not. We don't want to count on him necessarily. If he is in great shape, he and Froome will be there, if not then [it'll be] Richie and Sergio."

Does that mean that Henao will not be riding the Giro?
If so then that really will be encouraging for Froome and will additionally be a big loss to Wiggins. With the form that Henao has shown so far this year he will probably be the most valuable domestic at the Giro.

Also if Henao does not do the Tour then what does that mean for his Vuelta chances? Most people kind of have assumed that Sky will send Uran and Henao to the Vuelta (maybe Wiggins will arrive to spice things up as well and prepare for the worlds). But if Henao does the Tour then he may not end up as leader for the Vuelta, especially as going on Porte's form at the Vuelta (where he nearly won a MTF stage, but was not up there consistently) even a domestique for Sky will have hard time maintaining proper form in the Vuelta. So that may mean Uran gets the leadership...

Yet it may be that DB meant Sergio will ride Tour and Giro, which would be disappointing as he may be burned out for the Tour and it would also mean that he will be forced to be domestiquing for both, rather than receiving his own chance in the Vuelta.

This seems to suggest so as Wiggins apparently seems to say that Henao will be supporting him in the Giro:

Quote
And asked about the Giro, wrote: "In recent days, I could not complete the survey as I wanted, but after the Trentino and have time to try the stopwatch. In turn the optical condition is generally good, the approach was similar to the Tour last year, I have a good feeling. Henao will live up to replace Froome, I have full confidence in him. "

Pretty interesting, but all speculation..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 29, 2013, 17:45
Wiggins  has come out and said that he intends to ride the Tour as near to 100% as possible.  Froome's heart has sunk into a pit of oblivion somewhere.  Michelle is sharpening her knives as we speak...

In all seriousness though, unless he has the world's greatest recovery powers (at which point the clinic/dark side goes into meltdown), there is no way he can hope to pull it off - in my view.  Froome has been pretty impressive this year, and deserves to go in as the team's leader.  If Wiggins does continue to talk about joint leadership, I'd love to see Froome put the hammer down on the first mountain stage, and go nuts   :)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on April 29, 2013, 17:57
The only problem is that Wiggins seems to be talking like he wants the leadership decision made within the first week of the Tour. If he somehow convinces DB of that and then goes ahead and takes his Giro form to the Tour..

Well like Froome showed in the Vuelta you can be in good form in the first week and then most likely he will combust as the Tour goes on, so I hope he does not jepoardise Froome's chance of winning, because that would just be daft.

But I don't think that will happen, sometimes I just wonder when it comes to Wiggins..  :rolleye
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on April 30, 2013, 00:19
Froome responds
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22347741 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22347741)

Quote
"I have been reassured by the management at Team Sky that I have their full backing."

"There has been much speculation regarding the leadership for Team Sky at the Tour de France this year. I have made it clear that winning the Tour would be my main objective for 2013.

 "Attempting to win the Tour de France, is a massive undertaking, and will take total commitment from each and every team member.

 "The Tour team has yet to be selected but with the depth of talent that we have at Team Sky, I have no doubt that the strongest and most willing riders will be there to support me."
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on April 30, 2013, 00:41
Its a work. No way theyll be disunited at the Tour.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on April 30, 2013, 01:09
might make the Tour a bit more interesting  :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on April 30, 2013, 01:26
might make the Tour a bit more interesting  :D
If something is too good to be true its probably too good to be true. 2 months is more than enough time to patch up differences.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 06, 2013, 12:51
Team Sky Team Principal Sir Dave Brailsford has re-emphasised the team’s Grand Tour objectives after a strong start to the season. (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_8693031,00.html)

Quote
On the decision process for this summer Brailsford added: “As always the team selection is a management decision and it will be evidence-based. However it is crucial there is clarity of purpose and for that reason we will go to the Tour with one leader.

“Taking that into consideration and given Chris’ step up in performances this year, our plan, as it has been since January is to have him lead the Tour de France team.

“With over seven weeks until the Tour and the Giro to focus on, our final selection of nine won’t be confirmed until after the Dauphine

so Chris is the leader but we might change that  ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 06, 2013, 14:02
The very fact that he feels the need to communicate publicly that Froome is the leader is very telling.
Did they sack their PR agent to make room for Kerrison? Such things get sorted behind the scenes... :'(
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on May 07, 2013, 22:32
Finally we have the leadership for the Tour sorted  :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXL3yVu0zTw&feature=youtube
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 08, 2013, 06:28
Kind of funny but a bit meh

Funny would have been him say wiggo  :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on May 31, 2013, 22:46
Kennaugh after winning the Lincoln GP
http://vimeo.com/66048347
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: taiwan on May 31, 2013, 23:19
I have a feeling that Wiggo might get beat up in the Giro and pull out of the tour.

he will be fatigued and ride the Vuelta , just a feeling
Good shout. :slow
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Xe.no on June 20, 2013, 19:01
Edvald Boasson Hagen National TT-champion of Norway. Solid ride. Dead even with Thor at half way point. Should be a nice skinsuit for the tour.

Top 5:
1 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Team Sky) 36.04
 2 Thor Hushovd (BMC Racing Team) +27
 3 Reidar Borgersen (Joker Merida) +42
 4 Truls Engen Korsæth (Joker Merida) +1.03
 5 Kjetil Amunddrud (Asker) +1.18
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on June 22, 2013, 15:58
One for the Dutchies: A NOS documentary on Chris Froome (http://nos.nl/video/521269-chris-froome-een-wonderlijke-renner.html).

Very interesting documentary, talks about cycling in Kenya and South Africa, his beginnings in Europe, his illness, why he never performed before the 2011 Vuelta, the 2012 Tour, Amrstrong and doping. Nothing really new, but he does seem like a genuinly nice guy. Some interesting points:
- The illness (can't be bothered to google its name) hurt his career during some years, he's still not completely rid of it and still has to take medication every half year.
- He blamed his lack of performances until the 2012 Vuelta largely to strategic ineptness and inexperience. He attacked at the wrong moments and did the wrong things, etc. In that Vuelta he was forced to control his efforts in support of Wiggins, which helped him perform.
- '12 Tour did hurt, having to work for Wiggins while feeling he could do more on the climbs, but he understands it's the team strategy and just how cycling works.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: August on June 22, 2013, 17:42
One for the Dutchies: A NOS documentary on Chris Froome (http://nos.nl/video/521269-chris-froome-een-wonderlijke-renner.html).

Very interesting documentary, talks about cycling in Kenya and South Africa, his beginnings in Europe, his illness, why he never performed before the 2011 Vuelta, the 2012 Tour, Amrstrong and doping. Nothing really new, but he does seem like a genuinly nice guy. Some interesting points:
- The illness (can't be bothered to google its name) hurt his career during some years, he's still not completely rid of it and still has to take medication every half year.
- He blamed his lack of performances until the 2012 Vuelta largely to strategic ineptness and inexperience. He attacked at the wrong moments and did the wrong things, etc. In that Vuelta he was forced to control his efforts in support of Wiggins, which helped him perform.
- '12 Tour did hurt, having to work for Wiggins while feeling he could do more on the climbs, but he understands it's the team strategy and just how cycling works.

Good to know how he feels about that Tour. Also glad to hear he can just move past it as opposed to going on and on about it all the time like Wiggins does with him riding away from him.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on June 25, 2013, 22:29
(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2013/06/25/2/img_8590_670.jpg)

Telly and movies. It's like Disco 2.0.  :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Blackbandit222 on June 25, 2013, 23:06
Kennaugh after winning the Lincoln GP

Rock Racing leaders jerseys ??????!!!!!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on July 08, 2013, 14:01
David Lopez Tour Data
TrainingPeaks analysis of stage 7 data

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,29129_8813338,00.html
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on July 08, 2013, 18:22
Not very helpful when they give the data of the worst rider on the Sky team atm (who is uninjured) on a flat stage.. meh..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on July 15, 2013, 17:06
No surprise, but no Vuelta for Wiggins. Riding the Tour of Britain
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on July 31, 2013, 10:57
He was reasonably visible in last years Tour of Britain.

Let's hope he has a good attitude and wants to race.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 12, 2013, 17:28
reports that wiggo is attempting to put on 8 kg to help his ITT at the WC

But he was a world beater at his TDF weight and less so before , the norm is weight as is track , but seems a bit odd, unless it is ITT and P-R as has been suggested

anyway without darkside being discussed any ideas ?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on August 12, 2013, 17:34
reports that wiggo is attempting to put on 8 kg to help his ITT at the WC

But he was a world beater at his TDF weight and less so before , the norm is weight as is track , but seems a bit odd, unless it is ITT and P-R as has been suggested

anyway without darkside being discussed any ideas ?
I don't believe anything Wiggins tells the press.
His belly looked a tad bigger today.
You'd think that Kerrison would tell him to put on muscle not fat :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: benotti69 on August 12, 2013, 23:14
reports that wiggo is attempting to put on 8 kg to help his ITT at the WC

But he was a world beater at his TDF weight and less so before , the norm is weight as is track , but seems a bit odd, unless it is ITT and P-R as has been suggested

anyway without darkside being discussed any ideas ?

as Keith says, Wiggins could be doing a rock star thing and telling lies to the media for the fun or if not than it is dark side material.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 13, 2013, 08:44
:lol funny

Chris Froome Looking at Stems (http://chrisfroomelookingatstems.tumblr.com/?og=1)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on August 13, 2013, 09:45
:lol funny

Chris Froome Looking at Stems (http://chrisfroomelookingatstems.tumblr.com/?og=1)
:lol
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on August 13, 2013, 15:06
Really funny website that :)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 26, 2013, 09:17
Jonathan Tiernan Locke feature: Returning to an old approach in order to get back to top form

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15326/Jonathan-Tiernan-Locke-feature-Returning-to-an-old-approach-in-order-to-get-back-to-top-form.aspx#ixzz2d3qzmcn4
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 26, 2013, 12:25
Froome says he’s put on four kilos since the Tour, but can get into shape for the worlds

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15332/Froome-says-hes-put-on-four-kilos-since-the-Tour-but-can-get-into-shape-for-the-worlds.aspx#ixzz2d4cDApWO
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 29, 2013, 11:35
(http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/resize/file/6512_porte-640-getty.jpg/id/42429/w/640/h/360)

Richie Porte: leader, mentor, and mate (http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/road/news/50923/richie-porte-leader-mentor-and-mate)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on September 12, 2013, 11:57
Sean Yates' book is being serialized in the Times, some interesting nuggets have already come out:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/sep/12/bradley-wiggins-almost-quit-2012-tour-de-france
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/yates-defends-armstrong-but-is-critical-of-team-sky

Nugget one: Yates still isn't willing to say anything negative about Armstrong
Nugget two: On stage 11 last year, the plan was for Froome to attack in the final 500m and take the stage, after protecting Wiggo up most of the climb. When Froome went back on this agreement and attacked at 4km to go Wiggins was not at all happy.
Nugget three: Yates does not think much of the current Sky management group, saying that none of them knows much about bike racing and that the squad they took to the Tour de France this year had raced too much and too hard in the early part of the season.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Froome's Thoughts on September 12, 2013, 22:00
Nugget two: On stage 11 last year, the plan was for Froome to attack in the final 500m and take the stage, after protecting Wiggo up most of the climb. When Froome went back on this agreement and attacked at 4km to go Wiggins was not at all happy.

Froome used his initiative to attack earlier. Team said no so he sat back...what was so wrong?

Anyway, for Wiggins to suggest that he considered quitting the tour over it is ludicrous.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24061236
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: August on September 12, 2013, 23:54
Froome used his initiative to attack earlier. Team said no so he sat back...what was so wrong?

Anyway, for Wiggins to suggest that he considered quitting the tour over it is ludicrous.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/24061236

Confirms what a spoiled brat Wiggins really is. Really? Quit the Tour, that thought would never even enter a "real" racers mind.  :forreal
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on September 12, 2013, 23:56
The bit about wiggins saying he considered quitting, i swear i already heard that ages ago
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Arb on September 13, 2013, 02:53
Wiggins already said it in an interview iirc.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on September 13, 2013, 06:21
Confirms what a spoiled brat Wiggins really is. Really? Quit the Tour, that thought would never even enter a "real" racers mind.  :forreal

I'm never going to sit in judgement on what is and isn't a 'real racer', despite having been a 'racer' myself at an earlier point in my life. I think a TdF win, several Olympic track Golds and an Olympic TT Gold stands up quite nicely against any attack on Wiggin's racing prowess.

I've never ridden a GT, but I have ridden multi-day endurance events so I have some notion of the way in which pressure, fatigue and emotions can take you. I don't hold that against Wiggins. Its part of sport.

 The key point is that he didn't quit and he did win.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on September 13, 2013, 09:06
I think it's more likely that he wanted Froome put in his place by the management. If he'd just had a moan, then the reply would have been, "Don't worry, no harm done, we'll have a quiet word, blah blah." Wiggins probably wanted something a little stronger and probably got it too.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: al_pacino on September 13, 2013, 12:36
Wiggins already said it in an interview iirc.

Its in his book too.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on September 13, 2013, 18:48
I think it's more likely that he wanted Froome put in his place by the management. If he'd just had a moan, then the reply would have been, "Don't worry, no harm done, we'll have a quiet word, blah blah." Wiggins probably wanted something a little stronger and probably got it too.

Quite right too.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: August on September 14, 2013, 01:57
I'm never going to sit in judgement on what is and isn't a 'real racer', despite having been a 'racer' myself at an earlier point in my life. I think a TdF win, several Olympic track Golds and an Olympic TT Gold stands up quite nicely against any attack on Wiggin's racing prowess.

I've never ridden a GT, but I have ridden multi-day endurance events so I have some notion of the way in which pressure, fatigue and emotions can take you. I don't hold that against Wiggins. Its part of sport.

The key point is that he didn't quit and he did win.

It's not about Wiggins palmares or and attack on Wiggins "racing prowess." In my opinion, a real racer races for the joy of racing. They don't complain about the course, or the weather, or what may happen on the road. They're in it to do what they love to do, race. And if a a teammate riding away for a couple hundred meters (and then realizing and stopping BTW) is enough to make a rider think about quitting, then their not showing a true racers spirit. 

Nonetheless, I'm glad that he didn't quit the race.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on September 14, 2013, 07:19
In which case many of the racers I raced with and indeed myself were not real racers. You can probably exclude a fair chunk of the pro peloton too.   :D

By the way, with regards to the 2012 TdF, I think you are massively underestimating the actual incident, as well as the general ill-feeling that generated and followed the incident. Froome didn't ride up the road and then 'realise'. He was barked at by everybody in the team car. It wasn't an insignificant event, it was the key domestique attacking his leader in direct contradiction of team orders. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 14, 2013, 08:35
If he knew what he was doing then he should have blown the doors off and taken yellow.

Thing is I read Yates quotes as he wanted to go, he wanted stages , he saw a rider taking away his stage wins, he went , blew away wiggo and then get a reminder.

A calculated , knew what he was doing would have just gone and won the race.

But I also think froome is not really that smart so who knows maybe Michelle told him to attack  :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on September 14, 2013, 11:45
If he knew what he was doing then he should have blown the doors off and taken yellow.

Thing is I read Yates quotes as he wanted to go, he wanted stages , he saw a rider taking away his stage wins, he went , blew away wiggo and then get a reminder.

A calculated , knew what he was doing would have just gone and won the race.

But I also think froome is not really that smart so who knows maybe Michelle told him to attack  :D
So I have read both the Wiggo and Yates bio's, the Yates bio goes into far more detail than the Wiggo bio:
1. Yates had told Froome before the TdF when they were reconning the stage that if he wanted to win the TdF the best place to make a winning move was 5km from the top on that mountain. Yates blames himself for putting the seed into Froome's mind.
2. Wiggins was made the leader before the TdF because of the ITT km's and lack of killer climbs. Sky mgt knew Froome was the better climber, but Wiggo was the better TT'er
3. After Froome lost 1m on a flat stage, there was no more doubt in the mgt minds. Froome/Porte almost got back on as well. All in Wiggo.
4. The night before they had a mgt meeting to *agree* on strategy - Brailsford/Yates/Wiggo/Froome - and it was agreed by all that Froome could attack in the last 500m to win the stage otherwise was to ride tempo for Wiggo. Froome asked to attack from 5km out.
5. After deciding this on the morning on the race Froome was asking Yates could he attack from 4km out? No. 2km out? No.
6. Froome attacked not only from 5km, but after pulling off and leaving Wiggo to think he was on his own for the rest of the stage.
7. After the text arrived, Brailsford instead of going to see Wiggo was going for an evening stroll with Kerriston and Ellingworth.
8. Yates told Brailsford in no uncertain terms to come to Wiggo room
9. Yates and Brailsford gave Wiggo some love and said he was going to win, don't be silly, calm down.
10. Yates told Brailsford afterwards to give Froome a bollocking.
11. Yates saw Froome at 10pm. Brailsford hadn't spoken to him. So Yates gave him the bollocking personally.

Froome knew exactly what he doing and how emotionally retarded and weak Wiggins.

Next season, Froome is golden boy. Yates is gone. Wiggo needs his Aussia Sargent- Major back to help him prepare for Worlds.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: August on September 15, 2013, 03:36
In which case many of the racers I raced with and indeed myself were not real racers. You can probably exclude a fair chunk of the pro peloton too.   :D

By the way, with regards to the 2012 TdF, I think you are massively underestimating the actual incident, as well as the general ill-feeling that generated and followed the incident. Froome didn't ride up the road and then 'realise'. He was barked at by everybody in the team car. It wasn't an insignificant event, it was the key domestique attacking his leader in direct contradiction of team orders. He knew exactly what he was doing.

I think the incident is actually overestimated by many (Wiggins being one of them), a lot of people see Froome riding away for a while as some kind of travesty. As if he was attacking Wiggins in a attempt to take his yellow jersey. The way some talk about it, it sounds like the crime of the century. He wasn't trying to steal Wiggins jersey, he attacked for the stage win, and when he was told to stop he did and let Wiggins catch back up to him.

Sure it wasn't an insignificant event of the 2012 Tour, but it wasn't nearly as big an incident at it's built up to be.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on September 15, 2013, 15:00
No-one thinks Froome was attacking to take the jersey away from Wiggins. The 'big incident' is Froome going against a completely unambiguous plan laid down by his team (even though that plan included a chance for him to win the stage).

Froome saw that Wiggins was struggling to follow his pace, started to worry that they wouldn't be close enough to the leader on the road for an attack with 500m to go to win, and decided to leave Wiggins behind and press on for glory. Even if you give Froome the benefit of the doubt and assume the attack was impulsive and not pre-meditated, it is a move that makes him seem untrustworthy and disloyal.

I am sure that some would argue in Froome's defence that he was just showing the HEART of a TRUE RACER or similar, and I imagine many if not the majority of those people also have no love for Bradley Wiggins. I don't think one's opinion of Wiggins should matter here: every rider, great or minor, must sometimes play the role of domestique, and a good domestique follows the team plan and certainly does not value personal glory over protecting their leader unless explicitly let off the leash.

This is not a scandal to shake the foundations of cycling itself, but it is a juicy bit of Tour de France drama in the same vein as 'chain-gate' or the crosswind stage when Armstrong made the first echelon and Contador did not.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on September 15, 2013, 15:39
I believe that Froome wanted to put enough time into Wiggins lead on that climb to convince the management that he should be able to duke it out with Wiggins for the Yellow jersey on the remaining stages. Yates said that was what Froome wanted in his bio, but the management had decided before the Tour that such a strategy would only open the gate for Nibali.

Remember Wiggins started out as the leader at the Vuelta in 2011, but Froome took over the role (too late) after the Angliru.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on September 15, 2013, 16:13
I agree.  Which explains why Wiggins was so peeed off and threatened to pack.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on September 15, 2013, 16:58
By the way, with regards to the 2012 TdF, I think you are massively underestimating the actual incident, as well as the general ill-feeling that generated and followed the incident. Froome didn't ride up the road and then 'realise'. He was barked at by everybody in the team car. It wasn't an insignificant event, it was the key domestique attacking his leader in direct contradiction of team orders. He knew exactly what he was doing.
I agree.  Which explains why Wiggins was so peeed off and threatened to pack.

If Froome was really that bad of a team mate then how come he didn't pull the same trick again, you are in second after a guy you know you are better than and team management is making you not attack, guy in 1st threatens to leave, why not attack again and make Wiggins leave and take the win if Froome was really that cold.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on September 15, 2013, 17:17
We don't know what Froome was threatened with (or promised) that evening.

I think the events of April/may this year give a fair indication of just how significant the incident was.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on September 15, 2013, 20:35
We don't know what Froome was threatened with (or promised) that evening.

I think the events of April/may this year give a fair indication of just how significant the incident was.

Apart from kicking him out of the tour not much the team could do, plus if Wiggins already went home would they dare kick out their new captain? Even if he would never ride for sky again, who cares, he would get away from Wiggins, and as TDF winner he would get a good offer.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on September 16, 2013, 10:48
So could anyone tell me what the hell is going on with EBH? He was again completely invisible in this Vuelta, while against this sprint field a few years ago he'd have won a number of both flat and uphill sprints. Now, he was nowhere. Are there any excuses for that, illness or something?

He won one Dauphiné stage, that Tour of Norway and his national ITT championships: far too little for a man of his talents. How long does his contract still last? He is of great value as a domestique, but I fear he's ruining his own career if he stays at Sky for much longer.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on September 16, 2013, 11:17
You ask a very good question Slow Rider. At this point Eddy seems to have had more 'troubled' seasons than successful ones. I thought the switch from using his own trainer to working with Team Sky's staff would get him back on the right rack but it seems he is still struggling to find good form and hang on to it for more than a week at a time. We know he's always struggled with keeping food down while on the bike and being nervous in bunch finishes but he has been in the sport long enough that I don't think those are good excuses any more.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 16, 2013, 11:24
You ask a very good question Slow Rider. At this point Eddy seems to have had more 'troubled' seasons than successful ones. I thought the switch from using his own trainer to working with Team Sky's staff would get him back on the right rack but it seems he is still struggling to find good form and hang on to it for more than a week at a time. We know he's always struggled with keeping food down while on the bike and being nervous in bunch finishes but he has been in the sport long enough that I don't think those are good excuses any more.

My bet is what you kind of get at Jams if I am reading in between the lines

the problem with EBH is Sky - he needs to be in a team like Argos where getting in a break and going off the hook is encouraged, rather than program ride in the pact , set a pace , and Eddy yo try and sprint if it comes down to it .

The 2 wins at the tour came when the GC was dead , and as Keith said Sky take the same Grand tour ideas to 1 day racing

EBH just needs to be told just ride and get in a break or go with the flow imo

 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on September 16, 2013, 12:06
Love him or Hate him, Wiggo always gives a good interview:

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/20876/8924650/sir-bradley-wiggins-not-planning-to-hold-talks-with-rival-chris-froome (3 min - advise to watch video and ignore text)

1. He doesn't know where people get some stuff about his weight (Errr, that would be Wiggo) and the hour record (Errr, that would be semi-retired coach Sutton)
2. No olive branch to Froome - we're all pro's, get on bikes and do job - and anyway media like a good soap opera.
3. He has caused enough trouble - now just going to do whatever he is told (Err, couldn't see if he had his fingers crossed)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on September 16, 2013, 13:52
My bet is what you kind of get at Jams if I am reading in between the lines

the problem with EBH is Sky - he needs to be in a team like Argos where getting in a break and going off the hook is encouraged, rather than program ride in the pact , set a pace , and Eddy yo try and sprint if it comes down to it .

The 2 wins at the tour came when the GC was dead , and as Keith said Sky take the same Grand tour ideas to 1 day racing

EBH just needs to be told just ride and get in a break or go with the flow imo

I'm not sure what you saw between my lines, I wasn't trying to insinuate anything in particular.

I'm not sure Sky is the problem with EBH per se, although I definitely agree that riding for him in a bunch sprint has been demonstrated several times as being an exercise in futility.

If he does stay at Sky it will presumably be as a co-leader in the classics and a sort of Jens Voigt in the Grand Tours, allowed to go in breaks some days and grinding out the miles on the front on others. He can do very well in that role if that's what he desires, I even still have faith that he can win Flanders or Roubaix some day. If he was going to develop in to the monster we all saw glimpses of in his years at HTC he would probably have done it by now.

He could well decide to head somewhere else and spend less time working for GC leaders, and a change of scenery would undoubtedly do him some good. Whether he would actually land any big wins if he was on Argos or Vacansoleil is another question.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on September 16, 2013, 13:58
EBH does seem to have regressed,  always looks to be a bit stuffed when reaching the latter stages of races and never in any condition to sprint properly.   

Maybe a lighter racing programme or something would help.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Froome's Thoughts on September 16, 2013, 16:52
I'm not sure Sky is the problem with EBH per se, although I definitely agree that riding for him in a bunch sprint has been demonstrated several times as being an exercise in futility.

He did win the bunch sprint behind Mollema on stage 17 though.

Have to agree that he is much more of a breakaway man where he would be able to out sprint fellow breakees fairly easily.

He was again completely invisible in this Vuelta, while against this sprint field a few years ago he'd have won a number of both flat and uphill sprints. Now, he was nowhere. Are there any excuses for that, illness or something?

BH did pull out of the tour with a fractured shoulder blade and he might have been a bit naive about the effect it had on his training prior to the Vuelta when he said “I would anyway have a little more quiet period after the Tour de France, so I do not think the injury has changed so much for me,”.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on September 16, 2013, 20:09
Maybe a lighter racing programme or something would help.
A lighter racing programme..allowing him to do more of his own thing. All of that may help.

EBH can be such a great classics rider and I won't rest until he is. Breakaways in stage races is great but he is better than that in my opinion. The defining fact is not how he has been racing, but the level he has been racing at. His form at the Tour prior to his injury was substandard and his classics form was relatively woeful.

Get to the level I know he can get to and then the wins will start coming.. just watch ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on September 19, 2013, 10:22
EBH is a real enigma.

In a previous life I wrote this piece about him (and Thomas De Gendt) on Road.cc. Back in 2009 I saw him dominating racing.

http://road.cc/content/blog/8689-tour-flanders-2012
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: lancasterke on September 25, 2013, 16:53
and thus endeth the worst follow up (excluding seasons lost to injury and drugs bans) since.... it's been a while.

(this is a worse drop off than gilbert a couple of years ago. you could say cobo a couple of years ago, but he was a long way from dominant in 2011, cadel was closer to competitive in 2012 and less dominant in 2011)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Froome's Thoughts on September 25, 2013, 17:27
http://www.teamsky.com/video/0,27287,17549_8902974,00.html

Favourite cyclist Jens Voigt!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on September 25, 2013, 17:31
On the World Champion podium isn't exactly a non-achievement.

I don't know. I think Wiggins had to dig really deep and make enormous sacrifices last year. They paid off, but I think the price was too high for him to want to repeat the process.

Its understandable. He won cycling's biggest prize. Where do you go from there?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: lancasterke on September 26, 2013, 10:11
he was unlikely to top 2012, but considering he has managed to race a full program (just about the same volume as last year) but geared to giro vs tdf i do think it's surprising he's been basically so ineffectual. best rider in the world (fairly easily) to 2nd best tter

this seasons highlights are 5th at trentino and catalunya, and 13th @5.22 and getting worse when pulling out after 12 stages of the giro

he's still a super strong bike rider, but this season he has featured at he business end of races on reputation not because he's been competitive.

the boy probably just needs a holiday.

(all that being said he'll probably win the WCRR and lombardia, making me look rather silly)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on September 26, 2013, 11:20
From my own comparatively humble experiences, the outstanding years ive had have always been followed by disastrous years. I thoroughly understand how Wiggins motivation and results have wavered.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 01, 2013, 20:35
In regards to the Nieve signing I was wondering if it was a good or a bad thing, I starting out thinking, "oh no another good rider stuck duing dom work on Sky" however I ended up seeing that if this was managed correctly it could be great. Wiggins appears to be done being relevant for GC in the GT's, and Porte is more relevant than ever, he will ride the Giro and Froome will try to repeat his Tour win. Porte will likely backup Froome at the Tour, if Nieve is slated to do the same, he could be Sky's leader at the Vuelta, and Henao, who I don't think ever will be a top 5 GT rider, can do the Giro and Vuelta, and on the way focus on the hilly classics like LBL and San Sebastian which he should be a very good bit at a winner at. Also wih Froome, Porte and Nieve not being as dependant on a train riding them up the mountain consisting of 7 riders, Froome will be fine with 4 guys in the mountains he can use when and if he needs them, it will allow team Sky's classic riders, Stannard, Thomas and Hagen to focus on the classics, when they don't have to worry about being able to set pace uphill. Question is if Sky will use this signing correctly or not?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on October 01, 2013, 22:14
In regards to the Nieve signing I was wondering if it was a good or a bad thing, I starting out thinking, "oh no another good rider stuck duing dom work on Sky" however I ended up seeing that if this was managed correctly it could be great. Wiggins appears to be done being relevant for GC in the GT's, and Porte is more relevant than ever, he will ride the Giro and Froome will try to repeat his Tour win. Porte will likely backup Froome at the Tour, if Nieve is slated to do the same, he could be Sky's leader at the Vuelta, and Henao, who I don't think ever will be a top 5 GT rider, can do the Giro and Vuelta, and on the way focus on the hilly classics like LBL and San Sebastian which he should be a very good bit at a winner at. Also wih Froome, Porte and Nieve not being as dependant on a train riding them up the mountain consisting of 7 riders, Froome will be fine with 4 guys in the mountains he can use when and if he needs them, it will allow team Sky's classic riders, Stannard, Thomas and Hagen to focus on the classics, when they don't have to worry about being able to set pace uphill. Question is if Sky will use this signing correctly or not?
Nieve will be crushed next year trying to deal with the Kerrison training load.
Porte will never GT podium, he has bad days and cannot keep it going for 3 weeks.
Kennaugh, Dombrowski or Edmondson will surprise next year in a GT.
Henao will podium in a GT.
Froome will win the TdF.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Froome's Thoughts on October 01, 2013, 22:25
Nieve is a great signing because Sky lack anyone with his climbing capabilities who understands that they are coming into the team to work for Froome in the Tour and accept that any GT leadership status will be a bonus. I can't imagine that Sky outlined it differently in the agreement.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Tuart on October 02, 2013, 01:40
On the subject of EBH is it a case of too much unrealistic expectation? Putting aside this year, he's had some great seasons. Using CQ  from '09-13 he's ranked 6th, 16th, 11th, 6th each year respectively. That is an elite performance, regardless of high his ceiling is meant to be. Last year was his best season too, with 1780pts bettering the 1616pts from 2009. He did a lot of racing.

He raced 70 days, Jan to Oct:

1 x Grand Tour (TDF)
4 x WT Stage Races (TDU, T-A, CdD, ToB)
10 x WT Classics
Worlds & Olympics

22-Jan   
172 pts @ TDU
7th Overall
5 top10 placings
1st Points
   
12-Mar
42pts @ Tirr-Adr
1st St3
   
25-Mar
79pts @ Gent-Wev (5th)
   
20-May
154pts @ Norway
1st Overall
1st St4
   
10-Jun
60pts @ Dauphine
1st St 3
5th Points
   
24-Jun
78pts @ Nats
1st R.R
2nd ITT
   
22-Jul
174pts @ TDF
2x 3rd (St 1,13)
2nd St 3
5th Points
   
19-Aug   
79pts @ Vattenfall (5th)
   
26-Aug   
220pts @ Plouay (1st)
   
23-Sep   
240pts @ WC R.R (2nd)
   
13-Oct   
230pts @ Beijing
3rd overall
1st points
3 x 3rd (St 1,3,5)

That is an amazingly consistent season spanning the whole cycling season. I don't think his '12 got the wraps it deserved.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on October 10, 2013, 10:25
Very disappointed with Team Sky in October:
- only raced with 6 at Lombardia
- now starting Beijing with 7

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2013, 10:47
Very disappointed with Team Sky in October:
- only raced with 6 at Lombardia
- now starting Beijing with 7

have done the same last 2 years in a row
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on October 10, 2013, 12:53
We  could have a whole new thread dedicated to Sky screwing up race selections/race programmes for their riders IMO.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on October 10, 2013, 13:04
We  could have a whole new thread dedicated to Sky screwing up race selections/race programmes for their riders IMO.

yes, let's have a thread for everything we don't like about them  :ohu
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on October 10, 2013, 13:10
We  could have a whole new thread dedicated to Sky screwing up race selections/race programmes for their riders IMO.
Actually, they are not sending a terrible team
Quote
Team Sky are sending a host of climbing talent to the Republic, with Ian Boswell, Joe Dombrowski and Josh Edmondson all featuring as they aim to ride David Lopez and Richie Porte into contention. Bernhard Eisel and Mathew Hayman round off the seven-man squad and will provide some much-needed horsepower during the flatter sections, as well as in the sprints.
Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,29771_8956923,00.html#eSwQ0ofyiGisDHI6.99
I would just have preferred if they would have sent a complete team.

Why, for instance, didn't they send Chris Sutton to at least compete in the flat stages?
 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: sublimit on October 10, 2013, 14:21
yes, let's have a thread for everything we don't like about them  :ohu

I wouldn't go that far,  but this situation of going with depleted teams is puzzling considering they have a squad of 28/29 or whatever.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on October 18, 2013, 16:08
I was looking at some YouTube interviews of Brailsford to try and discover when he first promised Transparency and I came across the one with the Guardian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSR_65RF3MY

I was caught by the mention of "clarity" as the most important attribute that a team can have.

This can work in a 3-week GT because the individual random events are balanced out and the strongest team will in all probability emerge as the winner (except in 2011 when Wiggins crash probably prevented him winning and Sky didn't have plan B.

But, it is harder to work in the Classics where random events all the time and really successful teams like OPQS have plenty of options. It will be interesting to see what Sky do next year to overcome this.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 30, 2013, 14:16
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 13, 2013, 17:32
Philip Deignan Q&A: Back in the high life (http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2013/11/Phillip-Deignan-659x440.jpg)


http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2013/11/Phillip-Deignan-659x440.jpg (http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2013/11/Phillip-Deignan-659x440.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 26, 2013, 17:51
More fool me. It turns out that the weight and (presumed) power gains which Wiggins had talked about as long ago at the Tour of Poland in August 2013, were part of a long term project of gaining flatland horsepower for a tilt at the Hell of the North in April 2014. “The thing is,” added my mole, “Brad’s won one of everything, hasn’t he? A Grand Tour, Olympic gold on road and track and World track golds – but one of the thing’s he’s missing is a Classic, isn’t it? He’s not got a Classic.” That much is certainly true.

(http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Wiggins-Roubaix-2004.jpg)

http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/wiggins-plus-roubaix-project-pave/ (http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/wiggins-plus-roubaix-project-pave/)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 26, 2013, 18:21
Well, if he takes that one, I tip my hat, bow down deeply and allow him to have a go at the Hour. :D

But remember that he didn't win the Tour the first time he tried - so it's more likely that he wins Roubaix in, say, 2017.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on November 26, 2013, 18:40
 :Sleepy:
Well, if he takes that one, I tip my hat, bow down deeply and allow him to have a go at the Hour. :D

But remember that he didn't win the Tour the first time he tried - so it's more likely that he wins Roubaix in, say, 2017.
Wiggo has done Paris Roubaix three time before with top position of 25th in 2009.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 26, 2013, 19:39
Wiggo has done Paris Roubaix three time before with top position of 25th in 2009.
But did he go for the win in these cases? I don't really think so.

He rode two Tours while at Cofidis, before going for GC in 2009. It then took him until 2012 to win it.
Therefore, I presumed 2014 would be the first time he'd go for the win in Roubaix - and that he wouldn't succeed until approximately three years later.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on November 26, 2013, 19:51
But did he go for the win in these cases? I don't really think so.

He rode two Tours while at Cofidis, before going for GC in 2009. It then took him until 2012 to win it.
Therefore, I presumed 2014 would be the first time he'd go for the win in Roubaix - and that he wouldn't succeed until approximately three years later.
Agreed. I was trying to make a joke. Apologies.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 26, 2013, 19:53
Agreed. I was trying to make a joke. Apologies.
Don't apologize for a joke.
But maybe make it a bit more obvious that it is a joke. ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 03, 2013, 10:46
Little Richard talking himself up and gives 2 years notice to Sky,

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15935/Porte-says-hell-leave-Team-Sky-when-his-contract-is-up-wants-chance-at-personal-glory.aspx
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Zam on December 03, 2013, 11:00
Oh mate, i don't know,  i might need more dough, as the great warrior poet tupac said hard times man make me wanna holler.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: ansimi on December 03, 2013, 11:45
Yikes! I've always found it miserable to keep working even a couple of weeks when I've given notice. I seem to remember he had an agreement with Sky a year ahead of time when he couldn't break his contract with Saxo. Maybe he thinks it's normal to line things up that far ahead? It's just terrible business to talk like that. The smart career strategy would have been to do well at the Giro and make sure everybody knows he likes being leader.

I'm guessing Greenedge will be happy to have him even if he fails at the Giro and keeps saying stupid things though. Yay nationalism.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 03, 2013, 19:00
Yes it is shame, but there is so much which could go on between now and then.. dark side issues, losses of form, sudden jumps in ability. As the old saying goes.. there is all to play for.

And so saying things like what Richie said is a bit of a shame, I just hope it didn't come out of lots of frustration bubbling over and therefore he felt he had to say something and get it out, because that will be hard to deal with for the next two years. Anyways 2 years ago who would've said he would be leading favourite or so for the Giro.. things change..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on December 03, 2013, 19:34
Kind of inevitable. I suppose he'd never be allowed to go for a Giro win because he is too valuable for a Froome attempt on the TdF. 

Its his only option and I doubt he'll have any issues motivating himself until 2015.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 09, 2013, 08:29
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2013-report-card-team-sky
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dirk Hofman on December 09, 2013, 21:26
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2013-report-card-team-sky

Fairly accurate all 'round I'd say.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on December 10, 2013, 12:55
Team Sky DS changes - Ljungqvist moves on to spend more time with his family (although this is a notorious euphemism in politics for getting kicked out, seems genuine here) and is replaced by Dane Dan Frost.  I wouldnt be surprised if Brailsford has his eyes on one or more of the super talent young Danish riders, and this is a preemptive move as part of the recruitment process.

link (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9066474,00.html)

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on December 10, 2013, 14:50
ARISE SIR WIGGO

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25315380
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on December 11, 2013, 11:29
Peace on Earth, Good will to all men and Froome / Wiggins have buried the hatchet and are going to play nice with each other this year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2521521/Chris-Froome-says-Bradley-Wiggins-spat.html

Hmmm, words are cheap and let us see what happens at the races.

To me, the greater problem is how to keep the overall Team happy in 2014:

1) The fight for places at the Tour will be greater than ever.

The four best climbers (Froome, Henao, Wiggins and Porte) have already pronounced they want to ride the Tour.
I presume that Nieve has been signed for support at the Tour.
Edmondson and Swift are Yorkshire lads and will be desperate for the start line
The race also runs through Stannards home lane.
And, I don't suppose that Kennaugh and Thomas will want to be left out.

And that is before the rest put their hands up...

2) The pressure on the Classics team is immense

Team Classics captain of Hayman has gone (is it now Eisel?)
But another year of underperformance will not be acceptable.

3) Porte at the Giro

He fancies his chances, but are they realistic? Uran, Evans and Quintana could easily push Sky off the podium.

All in all, a tough 2014 coming up for Team Sky whether Froome and Wiggins are mates or not.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on December 29, 2013, 15:31
Eddie takes a different route to Cobbled Classics glory

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/boasson_hagens_gamble/

My heart wishes it so, but my brain says "Don't be ridiculous"
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on December 29, 2013, 20:30
My heart wishes it so, but my brain says "Don't be ridiculous"

What other choice do they have really, I like the schedule that way a lot, and EBH could return to former glory. I would give Thomas and Stannard the same schedule. I like the idea.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on December 29, 2013, 20:47
And very interestingly EBH is not down on the 'pre Tour list' what the consequences of that will be interesting to see. It would be refreshing to see him compete in the Giro and I would love to see a rider with his obvious talent just be allowed to race, though of course he will have to lend a helping hand to Porte.  :(  I would be surprised if he didn't go to either.

And I really wouldn't call that a gamble so too speak. It seems like a logical, well thought out schedule which isn't tremendously revolutionary. I do wonder about the rest of the Sky cobbles team though. Surely, their intensive Tennerife training will be scrapped, but for what? This form of schedule or something else?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on December 30, 2013, 00:13
And very interestingly EBH is not down on the 'pre Tour list' what the consequences of that will be interesting to see. It would be refreshing to see him compete in the Giro and I would love to see a rider with his obvious talent just be allowed to race, though of course he will have to lend a helping hand to Porte.  :(  I would be surprised if he didn't go to either.

And I really wouldn't call that a gamble so too speak. It seems like a logical, well thought out schedule which isn't tremendously revolutionary. I do wonder about the rest of the Sky cobbles team though. Surely, their intensive Tennerife training will be scrapped, but for what? This form of schedule or something else?

With that dense spring campaign I doubt he will race the Giro, IMO the best for him is Vuelta only, where with a weak sprinter field like this year should be able to win many sprints. That is what the spring campaign looks like, resembles Cancellara's schedule of 2013 very much.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on December 30, 2013, 13:01
What other choice do they have really, I like the schedule that way a lot, and EBH could return to former glory. I would give Thomas and Stannard the same schedule. I like the idea.
THOMAS, STANNARD, EISEL and ROWE, who are also part of the classics squad, are down to race the Tour Down Under.

So I am guessing that EBH and RASCH have a special programme designed by ARVESEN who I believe is their coach now.

In that article, ARVESEN also calls bull on the Biciclsomo-tdf-ten

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.procycling.no/hva-ingen-boasson-hagen/
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on December 30, 2013, 13:19
THOMAS, STANNARD, EISEL and ROWE, who are also part of the classics squad, are down to race the Tour Down Under.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.procycling.no/hva-ingen-boasson-hagen/

To me it seems smething is wrong with the TDU, it seems that riders going there always have bad seasons. I would send the least valuable riders only there if I was a DS. Maybe send one decent guy whose race schedule is flipped so he peaks for Beijing and TDU and hardly races in June and August.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on December 30, 2013, 13:26
To me it seems smething is wrong with the TDU, it seems that riders going there always have bad seasons. I would send the least valuable riders only there if I was a DS. Maybe send one decent guy whose race schedule is flipped so he peaks for Beijing and TDU and hardly races in June and August.

Agree.

I can see some riders want to get off to a flying start and earn some early WT points, but for GT leaders it makes no sense whatsoever.

I cannot understand why PORTE is racing, I cannot see him peaking for TdF starting the season so early.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on December 30, 2013, 13:38
Eddie takes a different route to Cobbled Classics glory

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/boasson_hagens_gamble/

My heart wishes it so, but my brain says "Don't be ridiculous"

Is it really that different to previous schedules. Will have to dig back but don't think it's too much different. Just no tour down under.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 30, 2013, 15:04
Agree.

I can see some riders want to get off to a flying start and earn some early WT points, but for GT leaders it makes no sense whatsoever.

I cannot understand why PORTE is racing, I cannot see him peaking for TdF starting the season so early.

well he has been home for a month or so so makes sense weather wise.

it is a punchers race not a climbers race.

Valverde and Evans have ridden and had good years after, but Argentina is where climbers go.

As for Porte peaking for the tour, more like holding on. He will peak for the Giro
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on December 30, 2013, 18:12
Just looking back, its pretty much the same schedule as usual for EBH with the exception of Tour Down Under. Most years hes done Oman/Qatar, then some years he does Tirreno or Algarve and thats it except for classics until Norway in May, so apart from skipping TDU i dont really see much difference.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on December 30, 2013, 18:36
Just looking back, its pretty much the same schedule as usual for EBH with the exception of Tour Down Under. Most years hes done Oman/Qatar, then some years he does Tirreno or Algarve and thats it except for classics until Norway in May, so apart from skipping TDU i dont really see much difference.
The big difference from last year is that Sky have abandoned the much ridiculed Tenerife training camp.

Not every idea appears to work :D

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on December 31, 2013, 01:54
Agree.

I can see some riders want to get off to a flying start and earn some early WT points, but for GT leaders it makes no sense whatsoever.

I cannot understand why PORTE is racing, I cannot see him peaking for TdF starting the season so early.

It makes sense for Teams to target this race ... as car placings for the spring classics depend on the results.   Those hoping for a good spring campaign need a reasonable showing at the TDU to have their car up the front ...

Porte - isnt he going for the Giro?   so TDU makes sense for him as he needs to start a bit earlier to peak for that.  Even Cuddles is doing Aus Nats and TDU this year to prepare for the Giro.

But in essence I agree - those GT leaders going for the Tour shouldnt be doing Aus races.  Those going for spring or the Giro should be starting ...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 01, 2014, 17:31
Really team Sky really, skinsuit? http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gallery-riders-reveal-their-new-team-kit-for-2014
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on January 02, 2014, 15:18
Sky back at Strade Bianchi in 2014?

they think so link (http://www.teamsky.com/races/0,27631,2014,00.html#month=3)

and at ATOC link (http://www.teamsky.com/races/0,27631,2014,00.html#month=5)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 02, 2014, 15:30
No Tour of Norway :-(

No Vuelta a Burgos
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on January 02, 2014, 15:48
No Tour of Norway :-(

No Vuelta a Burgos

I wouldnt take an omission from the site as definitly not doing it.  PCS has Norway listed for Sky and I've seen Norway on EBH's programme for 2014 somewhere too.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 02, 2014, 16:54
I wouldnt take an omission from the site as definitly not doing it.  PCS has Norway listed for Sky and I've seen Norway on EBH's programme for 2014 somewhere too.

This. Sky often dont put all the races up straight away, sometimes they have to wait for teh organisers to officially announce etc.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on January 02, 2014, 17:17
I wouldnt take an omission from the site as definitly not doing it.  PCS has Norway listed for Sky and I've seen Norway on EBH's programme for 2014 somewhere too.

in theory he could still do it for a national team like Hushovd in the Tour des Fjords though. PCS's source for putting Sky on the startlist is propably just EBH saying that he would do the race
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: August on January 02, 2014, 18:11
Sky back at Strade Bianchi in 2014?

they think so link (http://www.teamsky.com/races/0,27631,2014,00.html#month=3)

and at ATOC link (http://www.teamsky.com/races/0,27631,2014,00.html#month=5)

I like hearing this, Joe Dombro to crush.  :cool
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on January 02, 2014, 18:16
(http://img2u.info/ckgni/i/ga9d3bdaf.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 02, 2014, 21:19
Great interview the Boz.

http://www.rapha.cc/back-to-basics-year-two

He confirms he is riding Tour of California, along with a star which I am guessing is Wiggins

Quote
Then a return to Tour of California, first time since 2011. I grew up not too far from the start in Sacramento and my family can come down watch it. Plus, we’ll have a pretty star studded team with ambitions of winning it. We didn’t show the American fans how dominant we can be when we raced Colorado last year. It will be fantastic to come back and hopefully riding at the front with the yellow jersey on one of our riders would be fantastic.

The Sky secret sauce:
Quote
It’s funny, a lot of Americans ask me “what is Team Sky’s secret?”, but there isn’t really one. It’s not one thing, you can’t pin our success on the fact that we drink beet juice or do one-legged squats, it’s a combination of many things that come together to make you better. That’s the secret- there is no secret.

Too funny, the interview will drive the conspiracy theorists wild  :o
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 07, 2014, 09:10
https://twitter.com/Petekennaugh/statuses/420471541420548096

I guess Kennaugh is not happy with the write-up of this interview and especially the Froome/Wiggins question being the headline.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kennaugh-froome-and-wiggins-can-work-together

Can't blame him really.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on January 07, 2014, 09:13
That is probably the only reason they phoned him.

He'll learn.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 07, 2014, 09:27
Have a nice Christmas / New Year?
Training Hard?
Programme for 2014?
Oh TdF, do you think both Froome/Wiggins will do as well?
Finally, do you think JTL is a doper?
Oh no comment, OK. Have a nice season...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 08, 2014, 15:35
New Sponsor / Equipment Provider - Muc-Off

Quote
At Muc-Off, we pride ourselves on our commitment to R & D and our determination to create and develop exciting new technologies that improve efficiency and performance, so we're excited to support a team that's just as driven as we are.
With countless wins (including the last two yellow jerseys from le Tour), Team Sky have made a name for themselves in the world of cycling and taken the sport firmly into the mainstream. We've already started working with team mechanics to develop specific drive chain products and treatments to increase power and save precious watts, and we're looking forward to a very exciting 2014 season on the UCI Pro Tour!

R&D on cleaning products to save watts??

I've an easier idea - Wiggo get rid of the beard => 10W
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 09, 2014, 12:55
Christian Knees has published his race programme for the start of the year:
http://www.christianknees.de/cms/index.php/111-ein-paar-kilo-zugelegt

- Tour of Qatar
- Tour du Haut Var
- Flemish classics Kuurne-Brussels and Het Niewsblad-Kuurne
- Tireno-Adriaticco
- Milan-San Remo
- Tour of Flanders
- Paris-Roubaix

I'd put money that this is Wiggo's programme as well.

Knees also said that he has put weight on - muscle not fat - for the cobbles.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on January 09, 2014, 13:48
Christian Knees has published his race programme for the start of the year:
http://www.christianknees.de/cms/index.php/111-ein-paar-kilo-zugelegt

- Tour of Qatar
- Tour du Haut Var
- Flemish classics Kuurne-Brussels and Het Niewsblad-Kuurne
- Tireno-Adriaticco
- Milan-San Remo
- Tour of Flanders
- Paris-Roubaix

I'd put money that this is Wiggo's programme as well.

Knees also said that he has put weight on - muscle not fat - for the cobbles.
Cool. Wiggo's decsent of the Poggio in damp conditions will provide some entertainment if the racing fails to.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on January 09, 2014, 14:44
Christian Knees has published his race programme for the start of the year:
http://www.christianknees.de/cms/index.php/111-ein-paar-kilo-zugelegt

- Tour of Qatar
- Tour du Haut Var
- Flemish classics Kuurne-Brussels and Het Niewsblad-Kuurne
- Tireno-Adriaticco
- Milan-San Remo
- Tour of Flanders
- Paris-Roubaix

I'd put money that this is Wiggo's programme as well.

Knees also said that he has put weight on - muscle not fat - for the cobbles.

Hmm, stacked up early doors. Wonder if this says anything about which GTs Knees will be gruntworking this season.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 09, 2014, 14:57
Hmm, stacked up early doors. Wonder if this says anything about which GTs Knees will be gruntworking this season.

I think it is the schedule of the Cobbled Classics team.

I don't think it says much about GT's...

Last year:
- Puccio made it into the Giro
- EBH, Stannard and Thomas made it into the TdF Team
- Rowe and Puccio made it into the Vuelta Team (and EBH because of his fall at the TdF)
- Sutton, Rasch, Hayman and Eisel didn't ride a GT

So, really anything is possible.

I do think that Knees will be Wiggo's domestique all year as he is the only one on the team big enough to shield him from the wind.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 09, 2014, 15:16
I think it is the schedule of the Cobbled Classics team.

I don't think it says much about GT's...

Last year:
- Puccio made it into the Giro
- EBH, Stannard and Thomas made it into the TdF Team
- Rowe and Puccio made it into the Vuelta Team (and EBH because of his fall at the TdF)
- Sutton, Rasch, Hayman and Eisel didn't ride a GT

So, really anything is possible.

I do think that Knees will be Wiggo's domestique all year as he is the only one on the team big enough to shield him from the wind.

Stan ?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 09, 2014, 15:26
Stan ?

Stannard = 1.89cm
Wiggins = 1.90cm
Knees = 1.94cm

The dream domestiques are the Belarussians, but they are too small:

Suitsou = 1.84cm
Kiryienka = 1.82cm

Here is a great interview with Kiryienka hot off the press:

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9107990,00.html

Quote
“What you don’t see is when I go home, I am tired for days and days afterwards. All I can bring myself to do is a small ride to the nearest coffee shop and back.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 09, 2014, 15:32
Woah knees = monster
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 09, 2014, 15:49
Woah knees = monster

From Sean Yates bio:

Quote
"From Day One when we started planning tdf12, the most important person to have in Sky's armoury was Christian Knees. Some people in the organisation couldn't see it, pointed out that he wasn't a sprinter, wasn't a climber. However, amongst our roster of riders, he was the only man for the job of a horse: the man who never says no to a job, the rider who can tow the whole race at high speed for hours at a time, who never tires, who is always at Bradley's side."

From Wiggo's bio:

Quote
"People never really noticed how much work he did in the 1st week. For the first five days he was constantly riding in the wind at the front of the race... We realised that after 5 days of that we simply had to give him a rest, because he was not going to make through the tour if he kept doing that. But we got to the first hilly stages and he was doing it there. Christian was man of the match in the Tour"
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on January 10, 2014, 00:48
I think it is the schedule of the Cobbled Classics team.

I don't think it says much about GT's...

Last year:
- Puccio made it into the Giro
- EBH, Stannard and Thomas made it into the TdF Team
- Rowe and Puccio made it into the Vuelta Team (and EBH because of his fall at the TdF)
- Sutton, Rasch, Hayman and Eisel didn't ride a GT

So, really anything is possible.

I do think that Knees will be Wiggo's domestique all year as he is the only one on the team big enough to shield him from the wind.

Interesting no E3 ...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 17, 2014, 06:16
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/52618/Earle-out-to-repay-Sky's-faith

seems weird they sign him without knowing what sort of rider he is quote unquote
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 17, 2014, 06:41
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/52618/Earle-out-to-repay-Sky's-faith

seems weird they sign him without knowing what sort of rider he is quote unquote

Richie Porte knows him and will have vouched for him and recommended.

Confirms that Wiggo is going to the Tour of California.

Overall, good interview and I get the sense he will fit in fine - just get on with his his job no moaning - let's hope he is strong enough.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 17, 2014, 06:46
Richie Porte knows him and will have vouched for him and recommended.

Confirms that Wiggo is going to the Tour of California.

Overall, good interview and I get the sense he will fit in fine - just get on with his his job no moaning - let's hope he is strong enough.

I know that, but a very 80's way of doing it, especially from a science side
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on January 17, 2014, 06:50
I'd have signed him as well just after reading Jono's feature on him ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 17, 2014, 17:11
Wiggo/Froome racing together first at Tirreno-Adriatico:

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/9120207/sir-bradley-wiggins-keen-to-race-more-with-team-sky-team-mate-chris-froome-in-2014

They are obviously making an effort to patch over their differencies.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on January 18, 2014, 23:12
Wiggins, the journalistic present that just keeps on giving

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541847/Bradley-Wiggins-court-battle-5m-Tour-win-Cyclist-disputes-740-000-bill-management-team.html

(sorry about the Daily Fail link)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 20, 2014, 18:59
Very strong team going to Ruta del Sol:

Wiggins
Porte
Boasson Hagen
Kiryienka
Kennaugh
Thomas
Deignan
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 24, 2014, 14:29
Nice Wiggo interview:

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/12040/9131113/cycling-tour-de-france-target-for-bradley-wiggins

- Winter training went well
- wants to hit ground running in early season as in 2012
- wants to perform well in Tour of California and sounds like other USA events
- wants to be on tour team in "whatever capacity"
- ducked the "withholding bonus from Froome" question saying reasons behind it were an internal matter and it is a strange one that it was made public.

All in all, it is looking like he is in a good place
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on January 24, 2014, 14:51
There is a non-Darkside Sky news thread you know
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 24, 2014, 15:04
Quite a lengthy article in The Times with quotes from both Sky and Rapha

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/life/onyourbike/article3985068.ece (subscription required)

It look as if Froome's partner has ruffled a few feathers (again)

Quote
However Rob Jorgensen, a Team Sky spokesman, said the kit was the same as that used by the team during last year’s Tour de France and was also currently in use by Froome’s teammates in the Tour Down Under.

“You have the likes of Richie Porte riding in the Tour Down Under in exactly the same kit in probably the hottest racing conditions you could imagine and we haven’t had any problems with it,” he said. “There is nothing wrong with the kit, but you do need to apply suntan lotion with it. In this instance it looks as if Chris forgot to.”

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on January 24, 2014, 15:36
There is a non-Darkside Sky news thread you know

Is moved. Thanks, Jambalaya!  :cool
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 24, 2014, 16:05
Is moved. Thanks, Jambalaya!  :cool

Apologies just picked the first thread from a Wiggins search.

It won't happen again

Anyway, compare and contrast:

Wiggins interview with BBC in July 2013 at the Tour of Poland:

Quote
Wiggins said he "focused on the positives rather than sitting watching telly depressed" when the Tour de France was on.

He added: "I watched the end of the first stage when I heard the bus knocked the finish down, but otherwise I just followed what the guys did from afar."

Wiggins interview with Sky in Jan 2014 on training camp:

Quote
“I’d love to be back at the Tour de France,”
 
“I missed it last year and I was watching it on the TV. When you see it from the outside, you see just how great the Tour de France is.”

 :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on January 27, 2014, 10:06
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BempY5-IYAAIGxj.jpg)

Probably been posted elsewhere, possibly the darkpinkside, but anyway...


Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on January 27, 2014, 10:11
I can barely stand to look at that photo. Having had a couple of instances in my life of severe sunburn (once because I fell asleep and the other because I didn't realise until it was too late), the memories of discomfort go very deep.

On the one hand, one could argue that adequate sun protection is the rider's responsibility but on the other, a lot of clothing out there these days has a minimum UV rating. To me, this is your job and you need to have at least some basic elements in your working conditions. How is it a marginal gain to suffer sunburn because your jersey is so aero as to be non-existent? It would be like me agreeing to sit on a sh*t quality office chair for years. Oh, wait... ;)

I have often thought that racing cyclists are exposed to the sun so much during their careers that, although their bodies must adjust to the conditions to some extent, it's a wonder there are not more skin problems among the gringos and rubios.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 27, 2014, 10:28
Interesting piece from Robert Millar on the Wiggins/Froome tensions:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/robert-millar/conflict-avoidance-at-team-sky

It would have been more interesting if he would have forecast what will happen this year...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 27, 2014, 10:38
Interesting piece from Robert Millar on the Wiggins/Froome tensions:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/robert-millar/conflict-avoidance-at-team-sky

It would have been more interesting if he would have forecast what will happen this year...

was about to post that, was a nice read for the Roche sections as well.

the whole sir Brad thing does my nut in, especially since it was not sir Dave
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on January 27, 2014, 10:39
I can barely stand to look at that photo. Having had a couple of instances in my life of severe sunburn (once because I fell asleep and the other because I didn't realise until it was too late), the memories of discomfort go very deep.

On the one hand, one could argue that adequate sun protection is the rider's responsibility but on the other, a lot of clothing out there these days has a minimum UV rating. To me, this is your job and you need to have at least some basic elements in your working conditions. How is it a marginal gain to suffer sunburn because your jersey is so aero as to be non-existent? It would be like me agreeing to sit on a sh*t quality office chair for years. Oh, wait... ;)

I have often thought that racing cyclists are exposed to the sun so much during their careers that, although their bodies must adjust to the conditions to some extent, it's a wonder there are not more skin problems among the gringos and rubios.
I had some initial sympathy  being fair-skinned and I usually go through a bright pink stage on my way to the pinky-brown shade that I call a tan. However this is Chris Froome, born in Kenya, spent his childhood in Kenya and S. Africa. You just don't go out in the sun for any length of time unprotected if you're white; it's the rules.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 27, 2014, 10:43
was about to post that, was a nice read for the Roche sections as well.

Interesting that he seems to be against the Roche decision or at least puts it down to his competitive spirit, whereas in the race itself Millar helped Roche.

I suspect he thinks Bradley will do the same in 2014.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on January 27, 2014, 10:50
Interesting that he seems to be against the Roche decision or at least puts it down to his competitive spirit, whereas in the race itself Millar helped Roche.

I suspect he thinks Bradley will do the same in 2014.
Didn't former winner Delgado ride in the service of Indurain for a number of years? Maybe Millar's purged Perico from his memory.

As to helping Roche, the deal was done; rights and wrongs didn't come into it.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 30, 2014, 16:40
Interesting interview with Kerriston:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/01/news/sky-coach-says-froome-brings-confidence-to-2014-after-yellow-jersey-win_315267
Quote
“Chris is in the early stages of his development,” Kerrison said. “If you look back at his progression, his actual raw power numbers haven’t improved that much. What’s improved is his ability to deliver that in real race situations. … There are a few little rough edges that we can smooth out over the next couple of years, so he uses his talents more efficiently.”

Basically, this is going to be the Sky storyline now:
- Chris Froome always had the potential
- He didn't know how to race
- Team Sky taught him and he served a 2yr apprenticeship
- Team Sky are wonderful for rider development

Plus:
- No you can't see his data
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 30, 2014, 16:46
I wonder if his alien riding style counts as a few little rough edges...?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joachim on January 30, 2014, 17:08
Regardless of whether he is doping/not doping, it is absolutely clear that his riding style in Barloworld and his riding style now are night and day.

The few of you here who have trained, progressed and raced will understand the significance of that.

The armchair experts will probably not.

Moderator Comment Lets keep away from personal digs thank you
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on January 30, 2014, 17:33
may I suggest you both to calm down and have a KitKat?  :hi
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 31, 2014, 17:15
Team Sky races and rider for Feb

http://www.teamsky.com/races/0,27631,2013,00.html#month=2
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on January 31, 2014, 17:52
Team Sky races and rider for Feb

http://www.teamsky.com/races/0,27631,2013,00.html#month=2
Yes but not on that link.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on January 31, 2014, 18:10
yeh, that's from last year. Easy to fix though

http://www.teamsky.com/races/0,27631,2014,00.html#month=2
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on January 31, 2014, 18:24
yeh, that's from last year. Easy to fix though

http://www.teamsky.com/races/0,27631,2014,00.html#month=2
apologies.

it was quite exciting to see JTL racing again...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on January 31, 2014, 23:24
Interesting interview with Kerriston:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/01/news/sky-coach-says-froome-brings-confidence-to-2014-after-yellow-jersey-win_315267
Basically, this is going to be the Sky storyline now:
- Chris Froome always had the potential
- He didn't know how to race
- Team Sky taught him and he served a 2yr apprenticeship
- Team Sky are wonderful for rider development

Plus:
- No you can't see his data

the issue I have with this storyline ... that I have always had ...  How is it that you learn a 'new' style, how to race, how to win within a 3 week bike race.

He went from basically not being able to win anything above a local crit (maybe an exaggeration there :P )  to a podium on a GT, and winning anything and everything he wanted.      There doesnt seem to have been a 'learning period' ... he went for 3.5 yrs not learning it - to the point of almost being dumped by his team, to all of a sudden not only knowing how, but knowing how consistently over 1, 2 and 3 weeks at a time.  Almost without faltering.

I dont buy the 'he just needed to learn how to race' any more than I buy the bilharzia was the only reason ... even when its both, you would expect a period in the middle where he had good days and bad days.  Where he learned and made mistakes. Not just a jump from donkey to GT winner.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 05, 2014, 06:31
Confirmed wiggo P-R

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-says-aim-is-to-return-to-levels-of-2012

plus some other stuff
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 05, 2014, 10:20
So Team Sky have a media day, everyone flocks to Majorca and everyone is filling column inches with Sir Wiggo's plans.

My thoughts...

1. On Wiggo's sabbatical:

In retrospect given his history post-Olympic Golds, I should have expected this. It is interesting that he says he was making the numbers in training, but he wasn't right for racing. It is bizarre that after all these years at the top, Wiggo is so psychologically unstable.

2. On Paris-Roubaix:

I'm excited, but he should be talking about it as a medium term goal rather than a single year. Too many random things happen. But no doubt if successful, PR plus TdF plus Track Olympics will put Wiggo as one of best all-round cyclists of all time.

3. On Tour of California:

Yawn. It seems like a goal decided upon by sponsors/agents for publicity rather than real athletic goal. I can't believe his heart is in it.

4. On preaching the clean message - loud and hard:

That will be interesting and given past performance, Wiggo really doesn't have the media skills to be successful. This could end up being painful to watch.

5. On his kids changing school:

Wiggo is a celebrity - a change from state to private schools was inevitable. It is not really about doping, if Wiggo was a footballer the same result would have happened, but about a different subject matter.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: 42x16ss on February 05, 2014, 10:26
the issue I have with this storyline ... that I have always had ...  How is it that you learn a 'new' style, how to race, how to win within a 3 week bike race.

He went from basically not being able to win anything above a local crit (maybe an exaggeration there :P )  to a podium on a GT, and winning anything and everything he wanted.      There doesnt seem to have been a 'learning period' ... he went for 3.5 yrs not learning it - to the point of almost being dumped by his team, to all of a sudden not only knowing how, but knowing how consistently over 1, 2 and 3 weeks at a time.  Almost without faltering.

I dont buy the 'he just needed to learn how to race' any more than I buy the bilharzia was the only reason ... even when its both, you would expect a period in the middle where he had good days and bad days.  Where he learned and made mistakes. Not just a jump from donkey to GT winner.

But, but, but David Walsh said it was legit and everything. And he's not even on the Sky payroll or nothing!!!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 05, 2014, 10:33
So Team Sky have a media day, everyone flocks to Majorca and everyone is filling column inches with Sir Wiggo's plans.

My thoughts...

1. On Wiggo's sabbatical:

In retrospect given his history post-Olympic Golds, I should have expected this. It is interesting that he says he was making the numbers in training, but he wasn't right for racing. It is bizarre that after all these years at the top, Wiggo is so psychologically unstable.

Or you could put it another way...

It is not bizarre that after all these years of being psychologically unstable, Wiggo is so psychologically unstable.

2. On Paris-Roubaix:

I'm excited, but he should be talking about it as a medium term goal rather than a single year. Too many random things happen. But no doubt if successful, PR plus TdF plus Track Olympics will put Wiggo as one of best all-round cyclists of all time.

Can't see it myself, is there any reason to believe he can do this?

3. On Tour of California:

Yawn. It seems like a goal decided upon by sponsors/agents for publicity rather than real athletic goal. I can't believe his heart is in it.
Given that the other option in May is domming for Porte for 3 weeks, it's not a difficult choice.

4. On preaching the clean message - loud and hard:

That will be interesting and given past performance, Wiggo really doesn't have the media skills to be successful. This could end up being painful to watch.
Yeah, I don't know where he gets this idea that he's God's gift to PR and Froome is useless. The reverse is closer to the truth.

5. On his kids changing school:

Wiggo is a celebrity - a change from state to private schools was inevitable. It is not really about doping, if Wiggo was a footballer the same result would have happened, but about a different subject matter.
No teasing at private schools, oh no, not never.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 05, 2014, 13:06
Can't see it myself, is there any reason to believe he can do this?

Well looking at Wiggo's past PR results, there is zero evidence.

So, just a gut feeling...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on February 05, 2014, 13:38
CyclingWeekly going very much the "Wiggins targets Roubaix" line

https://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradley-wiggins-target-paris-roubaix-113900
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on February 05, 2014, 13:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt5h-rnsF6I
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 05, 2014, 16:47
Does anybody buy this "We are doing the Tour of California because it is important to our sponsor, 21st Century Fox?"

I don't.

And as for making Wiggo a star in the USA that is rubbish as well.

I just think that because they effectively have three leaders (plus Henao) to satisfy this year, they needed a pre-Tour stage race that Wiggo could target.

Simple as.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 05, 2014, 18:08
Why don't you buy it Keith?

Personally, I always find Sky's yearly absence at ATOC particularly conspicuous as they just seem like such an ATOC worthy team. They went to Colorado last year after having signed the deal and have 3 Americans on their roster.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 05, 2014, 18:21
Why don't you buy it Keith?

Personally, I always find Sky's yearly absence at ATOC particularly conspicuous as they just seem like such an ATOC worthy team. They went to Colorado last year after having signed the deal and have 3 Americans on their roster.

If the Tour of California was imprortant to 21CF then Sky would have ridden it last year.

It just annoys me when Brailsford spouts nonsense and expects everyone to believe it.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on February 05, 2014, 18:24
Does anybody buy this "We are doing the Tour of California because it is important to our sponsor, 21st Century Fox?"

I don't.

And as for making Wiggo a star in the USA that is rubbish as well.

I just think that because they effectively have three leaders (plus Henao) to satisfy this year, they needed a pre-Tour stage race that Wiggo could target.

Simple as.

Given the length of time between the TOC and the Tour de France I would imagine that Wiggins would also start either the Dauphine or the Tour de Suisse aswell. One of those two would be his real pre tour target would be my guess.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on February 05, 2014, 20:33
If the Tour of California was imprortant to 21CF then Sky would have ridden it last year.

It just annoys me when Brailsford spouts nonsense and expects everyone to believe it.
The deal with Twentieth Century Fox only began before the Tour last year, after California. Since then they have ridden Colorado and will ride ATOC.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 05, 2014, 20:38
The deal with Twentieth Century Fox only began before the Tour last year, after California. Since then they have ridden Colorado and will ride ATOC.

21CF has been part of NewsCorp since the 1980s. It was the seperation of the media and newspaper companies that led to 21CN on the shirt instead of NEwsCorp.

I agree that three US riders mean riding in the States is more interesting to Team Sky.

There is also a really weird Brailsford interview in the Guardian tonight.

Something is going on...

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/05/team-sky-hub-france-nice-monaco
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on February 05, 2014, 21:05
Perhaps they're just afraid of Sky not continuing as a sponsor and are looking towards the American market for a potential replacement?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on February 05, 2014, 21:10
The deal with Twentieth Century Fox only began before the Tour last year, after California. Since then they have ridden Colorado and will ride ATOC.

but Colorado had been on their programme from the start of 2013 - so either riding it was nothing to do with the sponsor or announcing the deal before the TdF was more important to the sponsor than actually riding ATOC* - so would seem strange they are suddenly demanding Brailsford sends a team there for the 2014 race.  My take is the sky/wiggins/brailsford have identified an attainable target for BW that doesnt encroach on any other Sky Capos**.  No doubt DB can say to the sponsor 'we do it for you', but I dont think for a second they would have instigated/demanded it

*assumption being that the deal was in the works for a while/ready to go at anytime and was announced pre Tour for added publicity value.
** if he rides Dauphine or Suisse it is likely to be at the service of Froome to prove his usefulness and loyalty, and for me wouldnt be a likely challenger

Perhaps they're just afraid of Sky not continuing as a sponsor and are looking towards the American market for a potential replacement?

you might be on to something, even if they are only hedging their bets...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 06, 2014, 14:22
One thing that is surprising about this media bash in Majorca.

I'm seeing reports in The Times, Guardian, Independent, Telegraph and even video on the BBC and BskyB, but very little on the cycling websites.

Were the cycling press invited?

And, the baboon story appeared in three papers - is Brailsford just giving group interviews?

It all seems very stage managed and impersonal...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 06, 2014, 14:27
One thing that is surprising about this media bash in Majorca.

I'm seeing reports in The Times, Guardian, Independent, Telegraph and even video on the BBC and BskyB, but very little on the cycling websites.

Were the cycling press invited?

And, the baboon story appeared in three papers - is Brailsford just giving group interviews?

It all seems very stage managed and impersonal...

and very Sky  ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 07, 2014, 20:22
I read an article with David Lopez on a Spanish website.

He was given a 3-year contract at the end of the year which is not bad for a 32-year old.

I was also surprised that he was the 6th highest WT points scorer for Sky ahead of Wiggins and EBH.

Job is primarily as a domestique though.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 09, 2014, 19:01
Wiggins doing vuelta as well as tdf this year.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 10, 2014, 08:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whAPV2aJ0Rw
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: mc_mountain on February 10, 2014, 11:16
Humans Invent Podcast - Sky training camp special (https://audioboo.fm/boos/1908631-team-sky-training-camp-special)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 11, 2014, 08:53
Stannard believes Sky should have fewer leaders at Classics (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/stannard-believes-sky-should-have-fewer-leaders-at-classics)

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com//2013/06/30/2/8_rsw_7513_220.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on February 11, 2014, 09:26
I think Sky's problem was not so much too many leaders as it was not enough guys who could lead.

After Flecha left, last year's Classics team was pretty redundant. Boasson Hagen couldn't perform, Thomas spent more time on the ground than on the bike and Stannard seems not to have the nous to ride as a potential winner.

Perhaps that's a bit harsh but I had a feeling while watching at the roadside of last year's freezing Omloop Het Nieuwsblad that none of the guys on Sky, who were still there in numbers on the Molenberg, did not have a serious contender among them.

And it always seemed to be that way from that point forward last Spring. A guy like Eisel or Stannard could be up there in the last third of the race but nobody would expect either of them to go all the way.

Can't see what will be different this year but we will see. Perhaps one of the eternal youngsters can grow up and graduate in time for the cobbles.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 11, 2014, 10:52
That article and what Stannard said is very disappointing.

It just says that Team Sky are clueless about how to win (or even podium) at the classics.

It certainly points to tactical naivety (3/4 best riders - all to themselves).

And, it points to disagreement over the build-up needs (to race TA or not)

I would have thought that the tactics are up to the DS and if Servais Knaven is not up to the task, Sky should get someone who is.

Perhaps that is the idea with Gabriel Rasch? Bring him on this year and get rid of Knaven at the end of the year??
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 11, 2014, 10:59
That article and what Stannard said is very disappointing.

It just says that Team Sky are clueless about how to win (or even podium) at the classics.

It certainly points to tactical naivety (3/4 best riders - all to themselves).

And, it points to disagreement over the build-up needs (to race TA or not)

I would have thought that the tactics are up to the DS and if Servais Knaven is not up to the task, Sky should get someone who is.

Perhaps that is the idea with Gabriel Rasch? Bring him on this year and get rid of Knaven at the end of the year??

I think it is a trust issue with EBH , Stan , Bernie tbh

They want GT to be the Boonen or the Fabs but he has had track and a few injuries at the wrong times, i am not sure they trust the other 3 tbh.

Stan seemed to take for ever to get a contract

bernie not trusted to Road Capt the TDF

EBH well ebh
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 11, 2014, 11:55
They want GT to be the Boonen or the Fabs
But the spring classics aren't a GT (see what I did there?). You can't simply say "We want this guy to win", train him for a year and win. It takes years to get the necessary experience - GT doing the track in 2012 didn't help at all, and back then I already had reservations whether this would be the right road in the long term. Home Olympics or not.

Geraint Thomas has shown that he has the talent to become a very good classics rider; but then he should be allowed to concentrate on that. No more being a part of the Wiggins/Froome/Porte delivery train, no more leading out EBH for GT sprint stages: Go all in on the spring classics.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 11, 2014, 12:56
But the spring classics aren't a GT (see what I did there?). You can't simply say "We want this guy to win", train him for a year and win. It takes years to get the necessary experience - GT doing the track in 2012 didn't help at all, and back then I already had reservations whether this would be the right road in the long term. Home Olympics or not.

Geraint Thomas has shown that he has the talent to become a very good classics rider; but then he should be allowed to concentrate on that. No more being a part of the Wiggins/Froome/Porte delivery train, no more leading out EBH for GT sprint stages: Go all in on the spring classics.
It's the difference between a strategy and a plan.

A plan says, "We go with GT"
A strategy says, "We do this and if such and such happens, then we go with GT, if this happens we go with EBH, etc etc"

There have been too many times when Sky have failed to take advantage of a situation because they didn't know what they should be doing, or just got the tactics plain wrong.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 11, 2014, 15:05
It's the difference between a strategy and a plan.
:cool

In other words, they have no plan B.
We could see in the 2013 Tour that that goes for all parts of Team Sky, not only the classics squad - they don't have a strategy for when plan A fails.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 13, 2014, 07:04
Flanders and Roubaix are what counts, says Eisel (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/flanders-and-roubaix-are-what-counts-says-eisel)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 13, 2014, 07:09
Flanders and Roubaix are what counts, says Eisel (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/flanders-and-roubaix-are-what-counts-says-eisel)
Finally someone at Sky who has his priorities in order!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 13, 2014, 07:18
Finally someone at Sky who has his priorities in order!

I disagree the RvV and P-R are the only ons that count though-

If sky picked off 2-4 smaller one day races in spring and had a podium in the big spring races MSR as well I would say they had a good spring
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 13, 2014, 07:29
I disagree the RvV and P-R are the only ons that count though-

If sky picked off 2-4 smaller one day races in spring and had a podium in the big spring races MSR as well I would say they had a good spring
I posted my comment before reading the article. ;)

While RvV and P-R are the overwhelming highlights of the spring season, bar none, and the targets of any top-class classics rider, I think that Sky (at this moment) doesn't have a top-class classics rider - there aren't that many of those.

Therefore, I agree that Sky would do well by trying to win one of the semi-classics - Geraint Thomas could well do that, he's been close to a win several times already (2011 Dwars door Vlaanderen, 2013 Omloop & E3 Prijs).

And I don't think that Wiggins should just be allowed to slot in as captain for P-R if he so desires. The last time he's ridden Paris-Roubaix (or any cobbled classic for that matter) was in 2011; if I were Eisel, Geraint or EBH I'd be pretty miffed if Sir Brad just comes in and gets the unquestioned support of the team.
Give him a free role, but keep one of the others as actual leader and see how things develop on the road. That's what #sky Sky should do - but I'm not sure they will.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 13, 2014, 09:03
Very interesting article that with Bernie and much better than Stannard's the previous day.

A few points:
- Bernie was only talking about the cobbled classics, I think Sky have much better chances in MSR and LBL
- Bernie is right that success for the top teams will only be measured by performance in the Monuments not the semi-classics
- but, Bernie did say a victory in a semi-classic will set up a rider for 4-6 years (perhaps this should be a more realistic objective for 2nd tier riders such as Thomas, Stannard, Eisel and Rowe)
- there is no-one at Sky who can compete with the big guns at the cobbled monuments that is in my opinion they are putting forward the team joker, Wiggins.
- Rasch hinted that EBH is better suited for MSR and I wonder if that is his major goal?
- Sky will then probably put some of the 2nd tier GC guys into the Ardennes (Henao, Lopez and Nieve)

I'd be happy with a single win in one of the classics and probably EBH is the best chance at MSR, but still is an outsider.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on February 13, 2014, 09:31
There was a photo in that Eisel article in which Puccio also appeared. I haven't forgotten about him, another of Sky's silent youngsters.

Puccio was an awesome U23 performer. Wore pink at the Giro for a day or whatever last season but nothing else of note.

In what will be his third season, it's really time he got the opportunity to step up in 2014.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 13, 2014, 09:41
There was a photo in that Eisel article in which Puccio also appeared. I haven't forgotten about him, another of Sky's silent youngsters.

Puccio was an awesome U23 performer. Wore pink at the Giro for a day or whatever last season but nothing else of note.

In what will be his third season, it's really time he got the opportunity to step up in 2014.

Agreed.

I wonder if his objectives are something like this:
1. Italian 1 day races, especially MSR and Lombardy for support and opportunity in 2-tier (eg Roma Maxima)
2. Stage hunting in Italian 1-week races, especially TA and Trentino
3. Stage hunting in the Giro.

I suspect he is one of 11-Sky riders due to finish contract at the end of the year.

He needs to given quite a few chances to shine this year.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on February 25, 2014, 10:06
Mildly interesting article on Team Sky tactics on Green Mountain:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/02/news/stud-poker-sky-shuffles-froome-deals_317924

- what it all boils down to is whether Sky are going to add another dimension to their SkyTrain tactics this year

And some really nauseous material on Brailsford and helping the footballers before the World Cup which is basically in all the papers:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/24/roy-hodgson-england-dave-brailsford-world-cup
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 25, 2014, 10:46
Mildly interesting article on Team Sky tactics on Green Mountain:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/02/news/stud-poker-sky-shuffles-froome-deals_317924

- what it all boils down to is whether Sky are going to add another dimension to their SkyTrain tactics this year

And some really nauseous material on Brailsford and helping the footballers before the World Cup which is basically in all the papers:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/24/roy-hodgson-england-dave-brailsford-world-cup

I think the Sky train is fine when you have a rocket like froome to launch

Porte not so much, sometimes sure

funny 2011 story

Gilbert was riding net to Saint David , he said I am going to attack there, come if you want.

Millar got ready, Gilbert even asked if he was ready.

Gilbert attacked , Millar blew up , Phil won

So with a flying Froome it works , Porte not so much
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 06, 2014, 16:31
Nice interview with Wiggins:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/sir-bradley-wiggins-exclusive-interview-now-happy-to-toe-the-team-sky-party-line-9171980.html

- sees helping out Froome main roll for Tour (he'll have to tell him not to attack so early in the mountains)

- wants to win the TT

- early season goals (PR & Cali) designed not to clash with Froome

- "You'd have to be mad to do it [dope] in this day and age, maybe a bit psychopathic."

- no chance of emulating Horner, sounds like Rio may be his final hurrah



Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on March 06, 2014, 16:41
I have big doubts over Wiggins domestique capabilities, but I guess we will see how he goes.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on March 06, 2014, 22:15
I have big doubts over Wiggins domestique capabilities, but I guess we will see how he goes.

Kinda hard seeing a rider that can't motivate him self to do well in the Giro, when the whole team is build around him, go out and be super motivated to ride for somebody else. I will give it a better chance than Gadret as a dom for Movistar working out though. If Wiggins was behind Froome I would think Wiggins would at least give Froome his bike if he needed it as long as Wiggins wasn't second behind Froome maybe. In which case it may not matter for Sky either.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 07, 2014, 14:51
Wiggins says pretty much the same to talk sport as he said to the independant.
http://talksport.com/cycling/sir-bradley-wiggins-le-tour-his-yellow-jersey-pride-and-challenging-doping-hypocrites
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on March 09, 2014, 09:25
I found this on the other place.
It's originally from 12 months ago, but as a characterisation of Ian Stannard it stills holds true:
http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/ian-stannard (http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/ian-stannard)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 10, 2014, 11:36
Here is what we are being told:

1) Froome has a minor back strain, which is the same strain that caused him to pull out of Giro Lombardia at the end of the last season.
2) Froome pulls out Tirreno-Adriatico, both Porte and Wiggins are named as replacements.
3) Porte claims he is the man and Wiggins just there for timetrialling
4) Froome will back in training after a couple of days of rest.

Perhaps, this official version is true, but:
1) Historically, teams have hidden injuries
2) Historically, team sky have liked to dominate in races leading up the TdF

What if:
1) Team Sky are really worried about Froome's fitness
2) Team Sky don't yet know what to do Plan B for the Tour - Porte or Wiggins?

If I was in charge, I would be sending my best riders to compete with the best and try to figure out what is the best "Plan B".

I cannot think of another reason for sending Wiggins to Tirreno-Adriatico, especially given Porte-Froome-Wiggins are all due to race at Catalunya in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on March 10, 2014, 11:45
but why wouldnt they keep Porte at PN and let Wiggo do TA ... still does the same thing?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on March 10, 2014, 11:58
TA is where Sky's A team is racing. Thus, now Froome is gone they can give Porte/maybe Wiggo valuable experience in racing and leading the A team.

Nevermind that TA has a much better course for any GC contender at least in Sky's eyes and therefore it would have been their first choice for sending their GC contender to. Unfortunately they had Froome there already and thus wanted to give Porte leadership which meant sending him originally to Paris Nice.

Porte is no doubt the Plan B imo for Sky. He is the up and coming GC rider and I highly doubt Wiggins is any shape to compete for a Grand Tour.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on March 10, 2014, 11:58
Because the two punchy hills and a crazy Nibbles descend that are going to decide PN ( :P ) are not really comparable to the TT and mountains that will decide TA. Having the two of them ride the same parcours makes it easier to compare. Also let's face it, neither of Wiggo and Porte stands a chance in PN while both of them have a chance of winning TA.

I wonder how Froome will deal with this, last year he indeed won almost everything in spring stage races. He was well under way at Oman, I think this is just a temporary setback and he'll be back to crushing the field at his next races, probably Criterium International.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on March 10, 2014, 12:01

Porte is no doubt the Plan B imo for Sky. He is the up and coming GC rider and I highly doubt Wiggins is any shape to compete for a Grand Tour.

But will that still be the case after Porte has competed for a tough Giro? Or will they pull him out of that Giro to focus on the Tour if there's any chance of Froome not making it?

I'm somewhat hoping for Wiggo to be the Sky leader at the Tour. It will be funny to see him go up against Nibali on some big climbs instead of the hills they did 2 years ago.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on March 10, 2014, 12:05
But will that still be the case after Porte has competed for a tough Giro? Or will they pull him out of that Giro to focus on the Tour if there's any chance of Froome not making it?
And that is why they have to act swiftly..   ;)

I don't know what will happen, but I do know that Sky will never compromise the Tour for anything (well to a reasonable degree, otherwise they wouldn't be sending Porte in the first place).
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 10, 2014, 12:08
Wasn´t JTL injuried in September 2013 and that is why he did not ride worlds ?

 :lol
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on March 10, 2014, 12:10
:rofl:
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: The Hitch on March 10, 2014, 13:07

I'm somewhat hoping for Wiggo to be the Sky leader at the Tour. It will be funny to see him go up against Nibali on some big climbs instead of the hills they did 2 years ago.
isn't Nibali supposed to be even better at hills? 2nd in liege, 3rd in msr that year etc

if it was his forte the hills he lost on 2 years ago I fear for him in the mountains  ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 10, 2014, 13:14
:rofl:

What is for sure is that if Team Sky are trying to keep anything quiet, Brailsford has learnt nothing from the JTL case and will be in serious trouble with the sponsors.

If fact, if I remember correctly on the SkySports News special where it featured Froome's Skype calls to his partner during the Tour de France, there was one where he had made a nest on the floor and was complaining of back problems.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Havetts on March 10, 2014, 13:20
Froome was in crazy peak form in Oman already, 6,5w/kg - 6,7w/kg estimates. Im pretty sure thats why hes not riding, else he'll hold on to that crazy peak form and misstime his peak later in the season. Back injuries are a nice cover up for that, atleast thats what I guess is happening.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on March 10, 2014, 13:38
isn't Nibali supposed to be even better at hills? 2nd in liege, 3rd in msr that year etc

if it was his forte the hills he lost on 2 years ago I fear for him in the mountains  ;)

But this Nibali is with the Vino team, different Nibali from 2 years ago. He'll crush them all, no matter where: hills, mountains, descents, flats, time trials, in bed, sprints, at the dinner table...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on March 10, 2014, 16:34
Froome was in crazy peak form in Oman already, 6,5w/kg - 6,7w/kg estimates. Im pretty sure thats why hes not riding, else he'll hold on to that crazy peak form and misstime his peak later in the season. Back injuries are a nice cover up for that, atleast thats what I guess is happening.
Froome is Kerrison's pet. He does what Kerrison and the Tennerife folk tell him, if he is told to drop his form and go low then that is what he will do.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on March 10, 2014, 21:22
But will that still be the case after Porte has competed for a tough Giro? Or will they pull him out of that Giro to focus on the Tour if there's any chance of Froome not making it?

I'm somewhat hoping for Wiggo to be the Sky leader at the Tour. It will be funny to see him go up against Nibali on some big climbs instead of the hills they did 2 years ago.

that's a long shot, but if Froome's injury turns to be worst, Sky needs to have a shot at the Tour anyway, that's the main race. so Porte being pulled out of the Giro came to my mind too as soon as I heard of Froome's back problems.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 11, 2014, 10:43
Interest alternative theory of Richie Porte switch (which Bruyneel retweeted)

http://jorgequintanaorti.com/?p=248 (in Spanish)

Basically:
- most teams fed up with ASO who refuse to share (or even discuss) sharing the TV rights pot
- no-one wants to miss the Tdf
- everyone wants to assist and enhance RCS (who are willing to share pot)
- hence the hierarchy #1 RCS #2 ASO (except for the TdF)
- and that is why the best riders are in Italy

Something else I noticed:
- the Tirreno-Adriatico highlights are on Sky as well as Eurosport.
- without Wiggins or Froome the race has little appeal to the non-hardcore cycling fan.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 11, 2014, 10:50
What's wrong with the obvious explanation that P-N doesn't suit Porte and the only reason he was doing it was because Froome was doing T-A? And Froome's withdrawal makes the switch a no-brainer?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 11, 2014, 11:08
What's wrong with the obvious explanation that P-N doesn't suit Porte and the only reason he was doing it was because Froome was doing T-A? And Froome's withdrawal makes the switch a no-brainer?

do you leave you tin hat at home today :D

I think that is kind of what they told the ASO fwiw
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 11, 2014, 11:12
What's wrong with the obvious explanation that P-N doesn't suit Porte and the only reason he was doing it was because Froome was doing T-A? And Froome's withdrawal makes the switch a no-brainer?
That is what I am buying with regard to Porte switch.

I still can't figure out the Wiggins switch.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 11, 2014, 11:14
That is what I am buying with regard to Porte switch.

I still can't figure out the Wiggins switch.

time trails and weight loss was my idea.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 11, 2014, 11:32
time trails and weight loss was my idea.
Beat me to it. The TTs become more important because Porte can't compete on the steep ramps.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 11, 2014, 11:48
time trails and weight loss was my idea.

I'm now thinking Wiggins will now not race Catalunya, instead it will be Froome and Henao.

Sky can't risk Wiggins beating (or at least knowing he is the equal of) Crocked Back and re-opening the Tour leadership can of worms ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 11, 2014, 12:15
I'm now thinking Wiggins will now not race Catalunya, instead it will be Froome and Henao.

Sky can't risk Wiggins beating (or at least knowing he is the equal of) Crocked Back and re-opening the Tour leadership can of worms ;)
I could be wrong but given Wiggins' form in Andalucia, there's as much chance of Kenny Van Hummel beating Froome.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on March 12, 2014, 18:40
Quote
The size of the gaps is a surprise, Porte starts 27 seconds behind Uran and Kwiatkowski. I wonder where he would have finished without Wiggins...  :s

Interesting.. maybe another reason for the Wiggins move. However, it doesn't explain why he only was listed so late on.. unless they were concerned Richie would need a bit more time on his rivals in the TTT than :froomedog would :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 12, 2014, 20:23
Wiggo to make a guest appearance on the Archers:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thearchers/posts/Bradley-Wiggins-to-appear-in-The-Archers

Very iconic
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on March 16, 2014, 07:52
Team Sky looking for a new media officer http://m.sportsrecruitment.com/jobs/details/1298/media-officer
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on March 19, 2014, 14:36
Geraint Thomas' latest BBC column, (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/26605209) focusing on his crash at Paris - Nice.

The Beeb also has an interview with Shane Sutton (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/wales/26634755), who thinks that G will lead Team Sky at the Tour de France one day.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on March 20, 2014, 21:44
was thinking about posting this in the dark side, but I think we better start over here, maybe there is a logical explanation
...

Stannard did not start in the Tirreno TT (without notice) - that's not too unusual though in case he was preparing for MSR - but now he is not on the start list for Milano Sanremo as well.

any reason for that? Plenty of "sick" or "injured" riders at Sky being swapped out of races on short notice at the moment...

he was 14th the stage before he left Tirreno, so that does not look like he was fatally ill...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 20, 2014, 21:54
I don't know what is going on:
- thomas is racing even thoughmhe admits he is not 100% afer his pn crash
- eddie is racing even though he pulled out of pn
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on March 20, 2014, 22:04
They sure have pressure to win a monument. Just imagine one of those two get in a break and make it to the finish and win. It could be a much easier route to winning a monument than having to try and defeat Sagan, Cancellara and Boonen. Not to mention they just lost one of their best hopes for an Ardennes win.

But yes all very confusing, haven't heard anything,.. and fishy  :-x
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 20, 2014, 22:51
I think Stannard is just pulled to refocus and prepare for flanders and roubaix. MSR is pretty much going to be no day at the races for sky unless they get lucky. EBH isnt 100%, and with thomas not 100% theres no real point Stan slogging his guts out for nothing.

I think Sky have basically written off MSR

Its also slightly possible that Stan might be going to Catalunya. Of their team due for Catalunya it includes Froome (back) Porte (possibly Ill) so they may send Stan the mountain goat as Thomas and EBH arent fit enough to do a stage race.

The other more likely is that Stans being given a break to get ready for Dwars, where with Thomas not fully fit, he may have to play a bigger role.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on March 20, 2014, 23:04
yeh, it's possible, although he still came 6th last year and it's not too unlikely it will be selective again.

but you may be right, I can't really see this initially having been a target for Stannard with the originally planed more hilly parcours - and Gilbert said a couple of days ago you couldn't win MSR with a couple of weeks of preparation like Cav (Gilbert himself is preparing specifically since November), so Stannard might just stick to his original schedule.

In case he doesn't do DDV as well we can still move this to the dark side ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on March 20, 2014, 23:33
Thomas has the potential to be part of a selection over the Poggio if there are attacks, of course we don't know how badly his crash will slow him down.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 21, 2014, 00:18
worth noting sky have pulled all their squad lists for the upcoming races from the website.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 21, 2014, 08:51
I'm being driven crazy with the twitter frenzy on VO2max.

This sums it up for me:

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/210737951951429634

Whenever I have seen Kerriston discussing performance, it is always about Power/Lactate/Time Curves.

This was highlighted in Bradley Wiggins "Year in Yellow" - when they were comparing 2011 vs 2012.

It is a classic example of people on the internet/twitter asking the wrong question (and probably the Team Sky coaches laughing at the questions.)

They should be asking for Wiggins/Froome's/whoevers power curves.

Even back in 2011, Wiggins explained to Birnie that power/lactate was the measurement they were concentrating on.

http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-and-comment/wiggins-and-sky-a-different-route-to-the-tour/

Quote
But now we’re doing lab testing periodically every six weeks and we do a threshold test that lasts about an hour. It ramps up and they take lactate levels, we’re doing acclimatisation work, which I didn’t do last year. So everything is tested and recorded so we know exactly where I am. We did one recently and my lactate levels were ridiculously low for a given power, which was 475 watts, and that is evidence. We’ve got this data to back it up so you go out into the field feeling confident. So the doubts aren’t there. I’ve never done that in the past.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on March 21, 2014, 15:57
wiggins swapping catalunya for 2-week block of mountain goating

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9224348,00.html

hmmm, sky getting nervous about tour climbers?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on March 21, 2014, 23:42
hmm

Quote
Explaining the new focus, Wiggins added: “We’ve now changed the programme in order to ensure that I keep moving forward. Having spoken to the coaches we’ve decided that I’d benefit a lot more from a couple of weeks of hard training to work on my climbing before coming back for Paris-Roubaix – all with a view to being in good form for the Tour of California, the Dauphine and making the Tour team.”

so he is going to do hard mountain training in preperation for .... Paris Roubaix     :S   :S    :S



Who wants to bet he pulls out of PR ?????
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 21, 2014, 23:57
Wiggins wont ride Roubaix. it was all just pr.. :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on March 21, 2014, 23:59
Wiggins wont ride Roubaix. it was all just pr.. :D
Ruddy motherflipping idiots (if what you're saying is true). :angry

Paris-Roubaix (well, any monument, but this one in particular) is not a race you announce you'll prepare for and ride to win (or try to win) only to then withdraw after getting some PR love.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on March 22, 2014, 00:12
Ruddy motherflipping idiots (if what you're saying is true). :angry

Paris-Roubaix (well, any monument, but this one in particular) is not a race you announce you'll prepare for and ride to win (or try to win) only to then withdraw after getting some PR love.

Sort of silly PR too, as Sky basically only care about the Tour because that is all Britain will see. Really a weak PR move. I mean cycling fans would like it, but now be disappointed. Non cycling Wiggins fans will be like "What is Roubaix?" I mean hardly a successful campaign. Maybe some of the non cycling Wiggins fans will now watch Roubaix, but what is the chance Sky wins? Good luck Stannard.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Gotland on March 22, 2014, 09:33
I'm being driven crazy with the twitter frenzy on VO2max.

Whenever I have seen Kerriston discussing performance, it is always about Power/Lactate/Time Curves.


The twitter frenzy about Vo2 max may come from Doc at Veloclinic (and others) and his power duration model(s) which builds on Vo2 max/predicting Vo2max.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 26, 2014, 10:55
Should we read anything into the 'collapse' of Sky at TA and PN? Porte was decent in the first TA mountain stage but didn't set the world on fire either - certainly not a performance of a person who is going to beat Rodriguez and Quintana at the Giro. Nieve did what would be expected of him but nothing more. At PN meanwhile, Thomas did well enough but crashed out while the rest of the team were not exactly dominating.

Sure Froome is missing, but it's a far cry from the team-wide domination of last spring races. Did the others catch up darkside or otherwise, did Sky do something wrong, or is it just bad luck and will they be back to dominating starting in Spain next week?
Well something's going horribly wrong. Since Slow Rider asked this on the darkside thread we've had the Henao situation, we've had Porte selected for Catalunya and then failing to get home in the first (sprint stage), and Stannard missing MSR (what could he have done for Swift and Puccio?) while an injured Thomas raced (and failed to contribute). Then we have the lack of rider lists until the morning of Dwars door Vlaanderen, and when it appears, the guy who shone in San Remo, Swift, has been sent to Settimana Coppi e Bartali.

Post Merge: March 26, 2014, 17:35
Sky appear to have started Dwars door Vlaanderen with 6 despite only putting the 8 on the website that morning. EBH and Eisel were missing I think.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on March 28, 2014, 17:30
well. things not going so bad for Sky, Kennaugh wins in Italy after attacking uphill and Thomas gets the podium in E3. they're slowly getting back, while Porte heals and Froome improves his form.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 31, 2014, 10:26
well. things not going so bad for Sky, Kennaugh wins in Italy after attacking uphill and Thomas gets the podium in E3. they're slowly getting back, while Porte heals and Froome improves his form.
To be fair, they've not had a lot to beat in Italy with Ulissi off form. Which is interesting in itself as Sky haven't been doing much beating up the locals in recent years. Maybe it shows a slight change in emphasis, giving domestiques a chance for glory.

It was also interesting to see Cataldo working for Kennaugh. A while ago I was accused of mislaying my tin-foil hat but it's firmly back in place now as I wonder if the inability to sign the Yates brothers has caused a rethink with more opportunities for glory spread wider about the team. I'm sure that when the Yates brothers were looking at Sky, Peter Kennaugh's footsteps would have been the ones they saw themselves following and it didn't look much fun. That was not only Kennaugh's first pro win, it was virtually the first time he's been in contention for one with maybe the Route du Sud in 2011 being the other.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: al_pacino on March 31, 2014, 15:03
To be fair, they've not had a lot to beat in Italy with Ulissi off form. Which is interesting in itself as Sky haven't been doing much beating up the locals in recent years. Maybe it shows a slight change in emphasis, giving domestiques a chance for glory.

It was also interesting to see Cataldo working for Kennaugh. A while ago I was accused of mislaying my tin-foil hat but it's firmly back in place now as I wonder if the inability to sign the Yates brothers has caused a rethink with more opportunities for glory spread wider about the team. I'm sure that when the Yates brothers were looking at Sky, Peter Kennaugh's footsteps would have been the ones they saw themselves following and it didn't look much fun. That was not only Kennaugh's first pro win, it was virtually the first time he's been in contention for one with maybe the Route du Sud in 2011 being the other.

Probably some truth in that, not many youngsters sign with a team with the ambition to be a domestique for the next 15 years.

However in a interview i read on CN it seems Sky were only interested in Simon Yates and they wanted to stay together.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on March 31, 2014, 16:39
Probably some truth in that, not many youngsters sign with a team with the ambition to be a domestique for the next 15 years.

However in a interview i read on CN it seems Sky were only interested in Simon Yates and they wanted to stay together.
Also Kennaugh was originally labelled as the potential first British Tour winner thing. Sky always considered him a huge talent and now maybe the time that they start to develop that talent and provide him with vital leadership experience. His British roots and his supposed talent would make him a perfect contender for the next big 'thing' if Thomas doesn't get there before him.

Sky have definitely changed their results pattern this year, maybe showing a shift of focus but I believe it is too early to tell. They definitely have not dominated the stage races as of yet, in the manner in which they dominated. Even Froome's Oman win wasn't a cruise and by this time last year they had already won Paris Nice, Tirreno and Criterium International in addition to Oman. Their heavy approach to stage racing may have been a conscious alteration as they realised that in particular their domestiques.. Kiri, Lopez etc. suffered when it came to the Tour last year after their peak form in the early stage races. Obviously there is a lot of poor results in there as well, but that explains some of it.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on March 31, 2014, 20:03
Ian Stannard will not race Flanders and Roubaix after his fall in GW  :( he injured one vertebrae
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on April 01, 2014, 00:43
Also Kennaugh was originally labelled as the potential first British Tour winner thing. Sky always considered him a huge talent and now maybe the time that they start to develop that talent and provide him with vital leadership experience. His British roots and his supposed talent would make him a perfect contender for the next big 'thing' if Thomas doesn't get there before him.

Sky have definitely changed their results pattern this year, maybe showing a shift of focus but I believe it is too early to tell. They definitely have not dominated the stage races as of yet, in the manner in which they dominated. Even Froome's Oman win wasn't a cruise and by this time last year they had already won Paris Nice, Tirreno and Criterium International in addition to Oman. Their heavy approach to stage racing may have been a conscious alteration as they realised that in particular their domestiques.. Kiri, Lopez etc. suffered when it came to the Tour last year after their peak form in the early stage races. Obviously there is a lot of poor results in there as well, but that explains some of it.

Actually Nibbles won Tirreno ... but your point is well made.

Sky not having an easy time of it this year.  Will be interesting to see how they deal with challenges
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 01, 2014, 15:53
Funny interview with Sean Sutton (mainly about Wiggo)

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/sutton-i-used-to-criticise-wiggo-for-lack-of-work-ethic

1) Wiggo basically never did anything on the road before 2009 because he was lazy
2) Thinks Wiggo would have won tdf in 2011 as well as 2012
3) Doesn't seem 100% convinced that he is currently "on-track"
4) Biggest objective is Tour of California not Flanders.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 07, 2014, 17:15
Blah blah wiggo blah  and ps little Ritchie will not ride the Giro http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9254206,00.html
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 07, 2014, 18:00
The wheels are falling off the Sky stage racing bus.
Nobody capable of genuinely leading a GT team.
They haven't got a top of the line sprinter.
So, all on Kiriyenka to pull his solo stage stunt.

Worse still is the Spanish resurgence.
So, all their eggs have to go into the TDF basket, but currently the chickens are all sickly.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 07, 2014, 18:56
Tuesday after Roubaix

Wiggo to lead Team sky at the Giro

you heard it hear 1st
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: SadlyWiggins on April 07, 2014, 20:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM

Just a bit of sky-lage you may find amusing (warning its about Football)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 10, 2014, 13:30
Wiggo playing the role of perfect team member saying all the right things...

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/9258530/sir-bradley-wiggins-targeting-paris-roubaix
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on April 10, 2014, 16:59
Sebastien Henao to do Giro for Sky (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=70761)

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There are great leaders of the team, but trust in the possibilities of Snow. "Mikel is a great runner, has experience, knows the route, and has already proved on the first day," warns Henao.

It is still undefined in its first year on the European cycling and the WorldTour. "These races, such as the Basque Country, I really like, five, six days, I think I performed well. I have peace, moreover, that if I have to play some Large races I've done two weeks in Colombia. Step your day to day. "

His next race will be the Giro del Trentino. "You may have the opportunity to be the Giro d'Italia. Start in my first year would be something magnificent. It is not fully realized, but hopefully do well and also do well in the Giro, "he says.

Sebastien Henao being thrown in at the deep end. No expectations, but it won't be easy.


Also one insignificant line on his cousin:

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"He is quiet and hopefully soon race is"
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on April 11, 2014, 00:56
hmmmm       :-x
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on April 11, 2014, 02:19
Sir Dave Brailsford quits performance director job at British Cycling (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/apr/10/sir-dave-brailsford-team-sky-leave-british-cycling)

Formalizing what was already a fait accompli, and drawing the curtain on an era of almost unparalleled dominance in track cycling for Great Britain.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 11, 2014, 08:16
Sad news about Brailsford, but I suppose it was inevitable.

This is more interesting to me:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/shane-sutton-british-cycling-has-gone-stale-9252670.html

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Before then, Wiggins has this season to face after last year's frustrations. Will he and Chris Froome ride the Tour de France, with its glorious British Grand Depart, together? "Do you want me to bullsh*t you or tell you the truth?" replies Sutton and grins disarmingly. "Do I see Chris and him riding together? I would hope so. But I'm not so sure. Brad has to roll his sleeves up and get the work done and get in that team – being in Britain, he wants to make the Tour.

"That Tour team really is Froome's team – he's the current holder and there's a lot of faith in him at Team Sky. They will put the best riders available on the grid for Chris to win the Tour come July and I'm not sure whether Brad is going to be on that list. Only Brad can say that by winning big races and showing the team he is worthy of his place."

I am not sure whether Sutton is implying that:
1) Wiggins form says that he won't make the squad; or
2) Chris Froome has veto over final selections and therefore Wiggins won't make the squad.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 11, 2014, 08:23
Sir Dave Brailsford quits performance director job at British Cycling (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/apr/10/sir-dave-brailsford-team-sky-leave-british-cycling)

Formalizing what was already a fait accompli, and drawing the curtain on an era of almost unparalleled dominance in track cycling for Great Britain.

Which is only reason why I'm not happy about this.
On the up side: If Sky do sink off the back of a major doping bust, he gets to go down with only the one ship.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on April 11, 2014, 10:19
Which is only reason why I'm not happy about this.
On the up side: If Sky do sink off the back of a major doping bust, he gets to go down with only the one ship.
Forgive me for asking as I know you have a personal interest in one of the projects, but are you 100% confident it would be that way round?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 11, 2014, 10:48
Forgive me for asking as I know you have a personal interest in one of the projects, but are you 100% confident it would be that way round?

The personal interest now extends to 3 areas of BC, but the main is certainly the track.
No PI in Sky.
Not sure if your are asking whether or not the whole BC set up would crumble, were Sky to implode,
or questioning the probability of another BC area taking a doping hit first.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 11, 2014, 10:49
Peters also gone from British Cycling, but will hang around helping to recruit and setup new team.

Brailsford doing a Fergie and hanging around for "help, advice and support" (if needed)

http://www.teamgb.com/news/brailsford-steps-down-british-cycling-announce-changes
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on April 11, 2014, 10:55
The personal interest now extends to 3 areas of BC, but the main is certainly the track.
No PI in Sky.
Not sure if your are asking whether or not the whole BC set up would crumble, were Sky to implode,
or questioning the probability of another BC area taking a doping hit first.
The latter.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 11, 2014, 11:17
The latter.

Obviously, there is always the chance of a rogue rider, but I would say, given all I know, that the odds are very unlikely.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 11, 2014, 11:28
You have to ask how much pressure was there from Sky or bskyb or whatever it is called and the track people for DB to move away.

Does this increase or decrease the chance of bskyb pulling sponsorship from the road team ?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on April 11, 2014, 17:01
so niiiiiice win for Swift!  :cool it took me a while to see who the Sky rider in the fron group was, I thought it was Earle. even nicer win, otherwise we'd get another Valverde stage win, meh.
Would Sky have preferred that Swift finished out the back and Nieve in the front pack? And Kennaugh and Kyrienka forced out   yesterday due to fatigue.

Swift's performance is a silver lining, but that's a massive dark cloud with the Giro just round the corner.

I know it's all a bit doom and gloomy, but when it comes to Sky's sudden stage race implosion I do feel quite gloomy and uh doomy.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 12, 2014, 08:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85MSK0SFzs
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 12, 2014, 10:32
Would Sky have preferred that Swift finished out the back and Nieve in the front pack? And Kennaugh and Kyrienka forced out   yesterday due to fatigue.

Swift's performance is a silver lining, but that's a massive dark cloud with the Giro just round the corner.

I know it's all a bit doom and gloomy, but when it comes to Sky's sudden stage race implosion I do feel quite gloomy and uh doomy.

Kiryenka abandoning through fatigue? This time last year, he looked indestructible with infinite power and stamina.

There are now so many abandons and injury problems, I can only deduce that Sky are trying something new in training and preparation.

I'm still totally clueless as to who will be in the Tour team, but given what has happened this spring, I think Sky will place all their bets on the Tour and send a very second rate team to the Giro.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on April 12, 2014, 11:55
Kiryenka abandoning through fatigue? This time last year, he looked indestructible with infinite power and stamina.

There are now so many abandons and injury problems, I can only deduce that Sky are trying something new in training and preparation.

I'm still totally clueless as to who will be in the Tour team, but given what has happened this spring, I think Sky will place all their bets on the Tour and send a very second rate team to the Giro.
I was assuming the Giro team is this team that has done the Basque Country and Coppi e Bartali
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 14, 2014, 15:40
Anybody remember this time last year (or more precisely when Wiggo turned up for the Giro start) -

- Wiggo opened up a huge can of worms when he said he would win the Giro and then Sky could pick who was going to be leader at the TdF
- Froome replied with some sterile politically correct stuff
- Cound tweeted that Froome would be leader and Wiggins wouldn't be on the start line (tweets now deleted)
- Brailsford gave out some management speak "As always the team selection is a management decision and it will be evidence-based."
- Robert Millar blogged that in signing a new contract Froome insisted on sole leadership and no Wiggins for TdF13 (and received a lot of criticism for saying it)

Now spring forward 12 months and both Shane Sutton and Wiggins have more or less admitted that Froome has at worst some sort of veto and at best input into the decision about the Tour riders.

Froome has to play this carefully. No-one in UK will understand if Wiggins is fit and is left out of the Tour team. No amount of explanation wound hide the obvious that it would be petty and vindicative. Froome and Brailsford would get hammered in the UK press. If Brailsford has given his best rider a veto over team selection then it is a incredibly poor and short sighted decision.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on April 14, 2014, 19:56
Froome has to play this carefully. No-one in UK will understand if Wiggins is fit and is left out of the Tour team. No amount of explanation wound hide the obvious that it would be petty and vindicative. Froome and Brailsford would get hammered in the UK press. If Brailsford has given his best rider a veto over team selection then it is a incredibly poor and short sighted decision.

It makes sense if you ask me, I think it will be a mess, unless Froome feels he can trust in Wiggins completely I think you don't bring him. If they have to make up some PR BS to save face in the press they will do that. The problem is what happens when Wiggins is still at +0.00ish and Froome is dropped on the cobbles? does Wiggins wait? I think it is a situration of rather safe than sorry, and bringing EBH instead might suit Froome better.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 16, 2014, 12:55
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boasson-hagen-considering-his-future-at-team-sky

So, agent doing his job and looking at options turns into Eddie is leaving...

More interesting:
- Eddie to Giro (probably indicates Sky to go stage hunting rather than fight for GC)
- Eddie's agent is Sky's Norwegian agent in terms of looking for talent (none signed)

My thought is that if Sky didn't work out for Eddie, it is extremely unlikely anywhere else would - although I'm sure that Garmin would take the risk and give him lots of TLC.

Eddie plus Sagan at Cannondale would solve a lot of problems, but the language seems to rule it out.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on April 16, 2014, 13:00
Sky isnt for everyone though, and I dont think Sky have done Eddie any favours actually.   It obviously hasnt been working for him for some time now ... so I think a change of scene would be a good thing for him.

Why does it need to be english speaking?   other riders go to foreign teams and learn the language ....
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 16, 2014, 13:08
No sure about the English angle, but it one of the criteria listed by his agent:

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Birger Hungerholdt told Verdens Gang that Boasson Hagen is happy at Team Sky but listed the criteria any new team has to offer his client. These included peace of mind, good teammates, an English speaking team, a good programme and the chance to ride for himself in some races.

Peace of Mind = long contract?
Good Teammates = buddies - Nordhaug/Kristoff/Hushovd??
Good Programme = must be World Tour level?
Chances = leader at 1-day races??
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Slow Rider on April 16, 2014, 13:11
My thought is that if Sky didn't work out for Eddie, it is extremely unlikely anywhere else would - although I'm sure that Garmin would take the risk and give him lots of TLC.

I disagree. Sky is a perfect team to get the best out of some riders, but it doesn't work for everyone. It's very much possible that Sky's training methods don't work for EBH. And having to focus on riding GTs in support of others doesn't do him any favours either. A different team could allow him the freedom to develop into a different direction. Many have said for years he needs to move on because he hasn't developed at all in his time at Sky.

Should be some teams that would be interested in signing him. Trek as support for Cancellara perhaps? English language, decent enough budget and could really use him. Tinkoff has the money, but that might leave him supporting GC riders again. Katusha as replacement for Kristoff should he leave, or BMC as they are always looking for overpaid underperforming riders to add to their collection. Belkin perhaps if they find the budget, could work.

Should be plenty of teams interested, but his wages may be a bit of a problem..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on April 16, 2014, 13:14
I disagree. Sky is a perfect team to get the best out of some riders, but it doesn't work for everyone. It's very much possible that Sky's training methods don't work for EBH. And having to focus on riding GTs in support of others doesn't do him any favours either. A different team could allow him the freedom to develop into a different direction. Many have said for years he needs to move on because he hasn't developed at all in his time at Sky.

Should be some teams that would be interested in signing him. Trek as support for Cancellara perhaps? English language, decent enough budget and could really use him. Tinkoff has the money, but that might leave him supporting GC riders again. Katusha as replacement for Kristoff should he leave, or BMC as they are always looking for overpaid underperforming riders to add to their collection. Belkin perhaps if they find the budget, could work.

Should be plenty of teams interested, but his wages may be a bit of a problem..

:rofl:    :win
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 16, 2014, 13:20
Should be plenty of teams interested, but his wages may be a bit of a problem..
If a team could convince him to move Monaco rather than high tax Norway then problem solved ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 16, 2014, 14:01
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boasson-hagen-considering-his-future-at-team-sky

So, agent doing his job and looking at options turns into Eddie is leaving...

More interesting:
- Eddie to Giro (probably indicates Sky to go stage hunting rather than fight for GC)
- Eddie's agent is Sky's Norwegian agent in terms of looking for talent (none signed)

My thought is that if Sky didn't work out for Eddie, it is extremely unlikely anywhere else would - although I'm sure that Garmin would take the risk and give him lots of TLC.

Eddie plus Sagan at Cannondale would solve a lot of problems, but the language seems to rule it out.
'

That is just silly Keith at HTC he was on the up and Up ready to smash cycling apart

Then came Sky and basically except for 2 weeks when Sky TDF feel apart and he won stages he has been a shell of himself

I think he could do well again at another team

My Guess would be Greenedge as I said in the transfers thread
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on April 17, 2014, 17:02
No sure about the English angle, but it one of the criteria listed by his agent:

Peace of Mind = long contract?
Good Teammates = buddies - Nordhaug/Kristoff/Hushovd??
Good Programme = must be World Tour level?
Chances = leader at 1-day races??

Hushovd contract with BMC ends this year. he'll be 37 next year, he cloud be a kind of Gabba (Rasch) and move to Sky and look after EBH.
I'd love Thor to Sky
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on April 18, 2014, 01:25
I dont know that Thor and EBH like each other that much though?  do they?

I remember some tension in the national team (but that may have just been who was to be leader...not sure)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on April 18, 2014, 05:42
There was some national team stress, but EBHnused to look up to Thor and Thor tried to help him a couple of years ago.

Can't see Thor at Sky fwiw
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 24, 2014, 09:49
Richie has penned another "insight":

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/richie-porte/ready-for-return-to-racing-at-liege-and-romandie

My thoughts:

1. It does seem that Richie himself rather than management decided to withdraw from the Giro for the greater good (supporting Froome at the TdF)
2. Sky got booted from "their" hotel on Teide halfway through the stay. No sure if this is because another team was better organised, offered more money or Sky are just a pain in the neck.
3. Froome "flying" again in training. Big difference between training and flying in races (see Contador and Valverde)
4. Porte seems to be using negative views of teams prospects as a positive, which is good.
5. No mention of the big "W"
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on April 25, 2014, 05:28
2. Sky got booted from "their" hotel on Teide halfway through the stay. No sure if this is because another team was better organised, offered more money or Sky are just a pain in the neck.
Woah, what would you have to do to get that? :o
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on April 26, 2014, 15:03
What has happened to Sky... Rod Ellingworth claimed an objective was to perform beyond July, but what about pre-July?  The Giro squad, with a home nation start, does not look capable of being that competitive in any of the jerseys?  For a team paying GC contender wages to three riders it is incredible that none of the three will start in Belfast, and unlikely the trio will be seen in the Vuelta.  It was great to see Wiggo's turn in P-R, and pre-injury Stannard' OHN win but save the TDF what is the point of Sky Pro Cycling at present?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 26, 2014, 17:24
Let us see froome v nibz next week in Switzerland


Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on April 26, 2014, 20:40
A few Websites are listing Sky as having only 7 starters for LBL tomorrow. Does anyone else think thats pretty poor that one of the biggest teams in the world can't have a complete team at one of the biggest races of the year.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on April 26, 2014, 20:48
A few Websites are listing Sky as having only 7 starters for LBL tomorrow. Does anyone else think thats pretty poor that one of the biggest teams in the world can't have a complete team at one of the biggest races of the year.

pee Poor. They only had 6 at FW as well.

It looks like Kennaugh has dropped out for whatever reason...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on April 26, 2014, 22:21
Don't think Nibz is racing Romandie Keith..

Also Sky are facing a slight crisis at the moment with injuries, coupled with Rasch's retirement (which they knew about), Henao ban etc and if Kennaugh had to miss the race they obviously didn't want to over race another rider in his place when the team is on the brink or so.

Their performances in the stage races this year have been disappointing, I enjoyed Thomas's go at Paris Nice, but asides from that no one else has stepped up to fill the gap left by Froome, Henao, Uran or Porte sometimes.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on April 27, 2014, 00:06
Wiggins says hes in perfect shape to support Froome at the tour

(http://i61.tinypic.com/34djz9v.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on April 27, 2014, 00:25
A few Websites are listing Sky as having only 7 starters for LBL tomorrow. Does anyone else think thats pretty poor that one of the biggest teams in the world can't have a complete team at one of the biggest races of the year.

And whats going to happen when teh UCI get their way and teams are restricted to 20 riders with a seperate development squad?

Sky have 8 listed
Ian Boswell, Nathan Earle, Josh Edmondson, Chris Froome, Peter Kennaugh, David López, Danny Pate, Richie Porte

Dont know why Kennaugh isnt appearing on startlists.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on April 27, 2014, 07:45
And whats going to happen when teh UCI get their way and teams are restricted to 20 riders with a seperate development squad?

Sky have 8 listed
Ian Boswell, Nathan Earle, Josh Edmondson, Chris Froome, Peter Kennaugh, David López, Danny Pate, Richie Porte

Dont know why Kennaugh isnt appearing on startlists.

If the squads are cut to 20 it'll be ridiculous. Would probably mean a team like Sky wouldn't ride at a race like Trentino which would be a shame as its a good race or it would be the development team there.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on April 27, 2014, 09:39

Sky have 8 listed
Ian Boswell, Nathan Earle, Josh Edmondson, Chris Froome, Peter Kennaugh, David López, Danny Pate, Richie Porte

Dont know why Kennaugh isnt appearing on startlists.
Down to 6 now.. as posted in the LBL thread:
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,30569_9285765,00.html

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Pete Kennaugh was also unable to start the race due to an unrelated illness, while Vasil Kiryienka has also been forced out of the upcoming WorldTour race in Romandie, starting on Tuesday.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on April 27, 2014, 22:41
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Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on April 28, 2014, 16:52
CJ Sutton coming back from knee injury got a late call and will start in Romandie tomorrow
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on April 29, 2014, 09:50
keith-style round-up of the Froome interview in l'Equipe today...

- had to take antibiotics but stopped a week ago

- always has problems with his chest. his back is better though, no more pain at the moment, did work with the physio every day on Tenerife

- lost 1,5kg during altitude training

- a win would be good for the team at this point of the season, but there is no pressure

- there were so many teams on Mt Teide that Hotel Parador was full, they had to sleep 500m lower. They went back up there in the 2nd week. It did not affect his training though

- power output is about the same as last year, even slightly better. he is absolutely there where he should be in preparation for the tour
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Havetts on April 29, 2014, 10:06
Strange that he can ride after being out with a chest infection two days ago..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on April 29, 2014, 10:14
- lost 1,5kg during altitude training

He surely doesn't have 1.5kg to lose! It scares me - and it is bound to affect his health in general, and his ability to recover from illness and injury.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on April 29, 2014, 10:18
"Mes chiffres à ce moment de la saison sont les mêmes que l’an passé, voire mieux. J’ai aussi perdu un kilo et demi pendant ce stage, ce qui est aussi bon signe. Il me reste à peu près pareil à perdre d’ici à juillet (où il sera à environ 66 kg). Sur le papier, je suis vraiment là où je devrais être en prévision du Tour de France."

my french isn't any good, but this sounds like he has lost 1 1/2 kilo and have to lose another 1 1/2 to reach is perfect weight of 66kg for the Tour, I think?!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on April 29, 2014, 10:57
"Mes chiffres à ce moment de la saison sont les mêmes que l’an passé, voire mieux. J’ai aussi perdu un kilo et demi pendant ce stage, ce qui est aussi bon signe. Il me reste à peu près pareil à perdre d’ici à juillet (où il sera à environ 66 kg). Sur le papier, je suis vraiment là où je devrais être en prévision du Tour de France."

my french isn't any good, but this sounds like he has lost 1 1/2 kilo and have to lose another 1 1/2 to reach is perfect weight of 66kg for the Tour, I think?!
I used google translate and it also converted the kilos into pounds which is interesting. Maybe a proper human translation?

"My numbers at this time of the season are the same as last year or better. I also lost three pounds during this stage, which is also a good sign. I still have about the same to lose by July (where it is about 66 kg). on paper, I'm really where I should be ahead of the Tour de France. "

Apologies for finding google translate mildly more interesting right now. The way Sky's been this season, it wouldn't be a surprise to see Sky lining up with 6 at the start of the TdF with CJ Sutton leading the GC challenge.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 04, 2014, 19:25
very interesting stuff from ferrari
Quote
FROOME, PORTE and TEAM SKY : far too many and recurring health problems for the top riders in this team, who just last year were swapping places on the podium in all the stage races.
Froome, already too skinny and performing in Oman, has shown issues related to his musculoskeletal system, whereas Porte forced himself to race even though still recovering, resulting in a long break and will miss the start in the Giro d' Italia .
An overall lackluster performance of Team Sky in the classic then: Wiggins was the only good one with a respectable placement in Roubaix.

basically, too skinny means injuries...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: George Ogden on May 04, 2014, 21:15
very interesting stuff from ferrari
"An overall lackluster performance of Team Sky in the classic then: Wiggins was the only good one with a respectable placement in Roubaix."

So, Wiggins was the only good one with a respectable placement in Roubaix, yet actually managed to finish two places beyond Thomas who had being in a long break earlier, and who also finished 8th in Flanders (one place above Wiggins). Not intending to disparage Wiggins' effort in Roubaix, just suggesting it doesn't fill with confidence that Ferrari has his finger on the pulse.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 05, 2014, 00:08
very interesting stuff from ferrari
basically, too skinny means injuries...

Yep. I can't think who it was but I remember someone once saying about pro cyclists in top condition something like "Being that fit is not actually healthy"
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: FatBoy on May 05, 2014, 13:34
The way Porte and the rest of the team are suffering right now Froome had better start sucking up to Brad again. Might be the only team mate he has left unless the likes of Nieve and Porte find some form or they get Henao back riding
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on May 05, 2014, 13:42
yeh, Henao's vacation in Colombian could turn out to be the key to have someone who is fresh for the Tour...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 06, 2014, 11:44
Death star rumours episode 34532

Kennaugh was pulled from the Giro to cover little Ritchie at the tour.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 06, 2014, 11:54
Death star rumours episode 34532

Kennaugh was pulled from the Giro to cover little Ritchie at the tour.

When you put all your eggs in the Tour basket, it is best to ensure that they are fresh and not out-of-date ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 06, 2014, 16:00
OK, my theory is that Team Sky are trying to step up Porte and Kennaugh on the ladder towards GT leadership roles which involves heavier training.

Their bodies can not take it and keep breaking down.

I hope this is not the case, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Kiryienka likewise ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 06, 2014, 16:14
Anvery cold war approach if true, but I kind of agree Keith.

But Sky will need to take a look at things D-ski is injured as are quiet a few of the younger guys, now if you are a young rider with a GB passport, and you look at sky and the injuries etc and then Adam Yates over at Greenedge. Is the gloss of riding for the team of a tour winner enough ?

The team has become so obsessed with the tour it is silly, they need to have a really good look at the direction they are heading.

very similar to what Rihs and Och did last year at BMC
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on May 06, 2014, 16:26
Kennaugh is not actually ill. Hes just nowhere near fit enough to ride the giro after being ill.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 06, 2014, 16:29
Anvery cold war approach if true, but I kind of agree Keith.

But Sky will need to take a look at things D-ski is injured as are quiet a few of the younger guys, now if you are a young rider with a GB passport, and you look at sky and the injuries etc and then Adam Yates over at Greenedge. Is the gloss of riding for the team of a tour winner enough ?

The team has become so obsessed with the tour it is silly, they need to have a really good look at the direction they are heading.

very similar to what Rihs and Och did last year at BMC

Is this a wind-up??

Cold War???

Surely it is the life of an elite athlete? The leader has to train harder than the others?? same in athletics.

I certainly don't think the team has become obsessed with the Tour.

Last year, they put up three credible riders for each of the GT's - it just didn't work out for Wiggins and Henao.

Similarly they are trying in the classics, but not getting anywhere fast. But that doesn't mean they aren't trying.

I would imagine that a young rider wants 3 things: money, coaching and team support. Just because the training is hard doesn't mean that most youngsters will not want to ride for Sky.

Why copy BMC when they are copying Sky? sounds illogical to me.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 06, 2014, 16:50
Relax Keith I am not attacking you I am having a discussion.

No the cold war thing is not a wind up.

One of Skys main training philosophy is working a sub max power output and extending the distance and time you work at that effort and then increasing what is max power output.

you keep pushing until something breaks to find what a rider is able to tolerate.

The issue is when does it break, and knowing it is about to break, the cold war approach was not worrying about the breaking point, the athletes you have left are the strongest.

This does not work for all, and clearly not that many at Sky at the moment, Froome is coping,  Wiggo took a gap year. Etc etc.

and I said they need to look at the direction they are heading aka what bmc did last year and change, now as I wrote this I did not think I needed to say imo, but will now imo.

I never mentioned training methods, but once again we have no idea what or how much influence sky's reverse periodisation training techniques etc are being used, you must also consider the influence of Pieper at BMC.

The leader may train harder may not just smarter ??
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 06, 2014, 17:02
I am chilled  :cool

We are all guessing here and you have a very decent theory, but one I don't subscribe to.

I guess we have to wait for Kennaugh's biography (Not Cav, just Pete) and Porte's (My life as a bagman for a Kenyan) to find out the truth ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on May 06, 2014, 17:06
The thing for me is that Kennaugh doesn't have to climb a hill for two weeks and it's a month until Zoncolan. Given that Sky had no GT threat, why didn't he attempt to regain his form at the Giro?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 06, 2014, 18:29
The thing for me is that Kennaugh doesn't have to climb a hill for two weeks and it's a month until Zoncolan. Given that Sky had no GT threat, why didn't he attempt to regain his form at the Giro?

It sounds to me that is exactly what Tinkov are trying to do with Rogers...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 06, 2014, 22:43
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/wales/27302427

Thomas has had several offers for next year. Be interesting to know who they were from.

If one of them is from OGE and the money they have offered is reasonable that's the one that I would hope he'd take and he's get away from Sky.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on May 07, 2014, 19:01
Wiggins says hes in perfect shape to support Froome at the tour

(http://i61.tinypic.com/34djz9v.jpg)

That has to be one of the worst photos of all time, it looks like a picture of a teenage boy with his mom who works a low paying job. Whoever decided to use this photo must really hate Wiggo, surely there are better pictures of him.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on May 07, 2014, 19:22
That has to be one of the worst photos of all time, it looks like a picture of a teenage boy with his mom who works a low paying job. Whoever decided to use this photo must really hate Wiggo, surely there are better pictures of him.

the clue was in the "perfect shape".. its photoshopped to make wiggo look overweight and therefore not focussed on supporting froome ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on May 08, 2014, 15:11
This one totally passed me by. Spot the Sky rider.:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIYSzKBqowI
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 08, 2014, 15:26
could be Cataldo or Xandio - they have beards.

Now I wonder who else has a beard ;)

All I say is that it was a good job it wasn't wet & raining, Granny descending isn't that interesting to watch  :-x
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on May 08, 2014, 17:35
Wiggo's body double?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 18, 2014, 20:20
Basically, Wiggo won Cali easily against a pretty weak field.

He is obviously being muzzled by the management and only has come out so far with some polically correct nonsense about the Tour de France.

Shame.

Some Cycling journalist needs to share a few gin and tonics with him today and then the truth would come out ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on May 18, 2014, 22:18
What truth is that?

I thought I saw a quote somewhere from Wiggins talking about the Dauphine. If he rides that, he rides the Tour; Sky always use the Dauphine as a (nearly) full rehearsal.

Also interesting to speculate... What if Sky's riders stayed at their current level of form and Froome had a veto on the Tour team. There's no way he could exclude Wiggins if he wants to win. The only way leaving Wiggins out becomes an issue is if Porte, Kennaugh, Kyrienka, Lopez, Thomas and Henao all find their form before July. I'd be surprised if they all did.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 18, 2014, 23:19
Captain you are so right, surely Wiggo's P-R and ATOC form, albeit the latter against a limited field, mean that on form, notwithstanding politics, and whatever clause Chris from Kenya has in his terms, then
Mr Wiggo starts in Yorkshire, no ifs or buts Mr Brailsford
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 19, 2014, 16:35
What truth is that?

I thought I saw a quote somewhere from Wiggins talking about the Dauphine. If he rides that, he rides the Tour; Sky always use the Dauphine as a (nearly) full rehearsal.

Also interesting to speculate... What if Sky's riders stayed at their current level of form and Froome had a veto on the Tour team. There's no way he could exclude Wiggins if he wants to win. The only way leaving Wiggins out becomes an issue is if Porte, Kennaugh, Kyrienka, Lopez, Thomas and Henao all find their form before July. I'd be surprised if they all did.

Has Wiggins said that he'll ride the Dauphine? He's already won it twice so if he had a choice he might go to the Tour de Suisse to try and add another race to his palmares. I have a feeling that Froome will lead Sky at the Dauphine and Wiggins lead the team in Switzerland and then the tour team if all come out of there prep races fit and well would be the 8 from the Dauphine plus Wiggins.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on May 19, 2014, 17:17
Very few, if any sky riders have gone from Tour de Suisse to the Tour. If Wiggins rides Switzerland I would say its 75% hes missed out on the Tour team.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on May 19, 2014, 20:30
2013
DauphineTour
1Edvald Boasson HagenEdvald Boasson Hagen
2Chris FroomeChris Froome
3Peter Kennaugh Peter Kennaugh
4Vasil Kiryienka Vasil Kiryienka
5David López David López
6Richie Porte Richie Porte
7Ian StannardIan Stannard
8Geraint ThomasGeraint Thomas
9Kanstantsin Siutsou

2012

DauphineTour
1Edvald Boasson HagenEdvald Boasson Hagen
2Chris FroomeChris Froome
3Christian KneesChristian Knees
4Danny Pate
5Richie PorteRichie Porte
6Michael RogersMichael Rogers
7Kanstantsin SiutsouKanstantsin Siutsou
8Bradley WigginsBradley Wiggins
9Mark Cavendish
10Bernhard Eisel

2011

DauphineTour
1Edvald Boasson HagenEdvald Boasson Hagen
2Juan Antonio FlechaJuan Antonio Flecha
3Simon GerransSimon Gerrans
4Christian KneesChristian Knees
5Geraint ThomasGeraint Thomas
6Rigoberto UránRigoberto Urán
7Bradley WigginsBradley Wiggins
8Xabier ZandioXabier Zandio
9Ben Swift

So in three years only one Sky rider has ridden the Dauphine and not the Tour, and that was Danny Pate making way for Cavendish and his pilot Eisel.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 19, 2014, 21:29
I had it in my head that the AN Other that got added to the Dauphine 8 usually came from the Tour de Suisse but I was clearly wrong.

Siutsou rode the Route du Sud

Cav and Eisel the Ster ZLM Toer

Its 3 years ago when Swift rode in Switzerland and then the tour that any Sky rider went that route. So it looks like Dim is right. Ride the Tour de Suisse for Sky and you have little chance of riding the Tour de France.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on May 20, 2014, 00:24
this whole  "Froome has a veto in his contract" is something I find interesting.

Where did this come from?

Isnt his current contract the one he signed after the shock podium at the vuelta?   So he went from struggling to get a contract, to having a veto over who is in his Tour team.  But he has to ride for Wiggins in between?

It doesnt make sense to me.

Did he sign a new contract with Sky after Wiggo's tour win?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 21, 2014, 00:23
yep, signed a new contract last year.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on May 21, 2014, 00:48
ah ok.   Until when?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 21, 2014, 07:55
I presume, he signed a 3-year contract as he has not been mentioned by Alonso as one of the leaders still under contract for next year.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: SadlyWiggins on May 21, 2014, 12:30
I have posted and article about whether Wiggo's Win can Help to Restore Faith and Interest in US Pro-Cycling?    :angel *uk

http://d2ride.co.uk/News-and-Blog.php   *uk *uk
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Zam on May 21, 2014, 13:22
We tend to get this kind of post or blog here  :slow. Not saying it is a bad/good thing    :zombie
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Eric on May 21, 2014, 14:14
That knighthood anecdote lays it out, really. They wouldn't understand him. He'd be seen as quirky and 'limey', a relic of the stereotypical American view of the UK rather than an exotic foreigner as was in the case of Beckham.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 21, 2014, 14:34
That knighthood anecdote lays it out, really. They wouldn't understand him. He'd be seen as quirky and 'limey', a relic of the stereotypical American view of the UK rather than an exotic foreigner as was in the case of Beckham.

I don't get it at all.

Reminds of all them bands whose only goal is "breaking America" -

- with what exactly?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 24, 2014, 13:20
A little torn on Sky at the moment... Giro performance smacks of why bother to turn up, and a heap of general disrespect for a GT, but genuinely saddened about Stannard's latest injury update, which leaves Sir Dave with even more questions ahead of announcing dauphine and TDS teams, if anything surely the loss of a diesel like Stannard further strengthens Wiggins' Daupine / TDF claims...?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 25, 2014, 00:18
Ok hats off to Cataldo, (the stage that got away) but you get my point  - two near misses and little else to fill a scrapbook about.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 25, 2014, 00:41
So excerpts from Froome's autobiography were published in the Sunday Times tonight - and it may be dynamite...

The first article is about Froome's contact extension at the time of Vuelta in 2011...

It portrays Brailsford as being a tad sneaky and Froome as being supa-intelligent

Quote
Money wasn’t the only issue. I wanted Dave to agree that I would have the chance to win the Tour de France, or at least not be stuck in a system where I couldn’t. Finishing second in Spain after doing so much work for Brad had given me confidence. When other teams proposed contracts that showed they wanted me as their leader, that made me think: why shouldn’t I go for the Tour de France?

Dave listened and said that this worked perfectly for Sky because the team wanted to go to the race with two riders going for general classification (GC). He said how good it was for the team that when Brad cracked, I was there to pick it up. Dave was enthusiastic and convincing and, though I wanted reassurance, I also wanted to stay with the team. What I remember him saying was this: “If you stay with us, we will basically guarantee to you that you go to the Tour and ride for GC.”

In hindsight I can see that Dave was being clever. I thought what he told me meant that I could go to the Tour de France and have my chance to win it. But he didn’t actually say this. Instead he spoke of two guys riding for GC, with one being the designated leader and the other riding as his back-up. If anything happened to the leader, the second guy would take over. Dave’s approach was rather like a character in Lewis Carroll’s Through the Looking Glass: “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.” My understanding was that I would go to the Tour as a protected rider but the details were never teased out. Dave’s words would mean just what he chose them to mean.

The 2nd article is even worse and recounts the 2nd attack on Stage 11 - it completely differs from the Yates account and is titled "If you've a problem Bradley, say it to my face"

Quote
On stage seven, which I won, Bradley took the yellow jersey. He had to do lots of interviews. I heard him say something like: “A fantastic day for the team. Chris winning the stage; I’m in the yellow jersey. Great.” Then he added: “Now he’s got his stage win, he’s going to be an integral part of helping me to try to win the Tour.”

I thought it was such an arrogant thing to say: Chris has had his little moment, now he can concentrate on his real job.

Within the team, the mood wasn’t as good as it should have been: Brad wasn’t always happy, I wasn’t happy and Cav wasn’t happy. One day on the bus Cav slipped me a note: “No great man ever complains of want of opportunity.”

I felt Cav was saying: “Don’t get to the end and say you didn’t have the opportunity.” This was tough but powerful. I wasn’t going to dandle grandchildren on my knee in years to come and explain that, “Yeah, I had the chance to win a Tour de France but I passed it up for a quiet life on the team bus.”
In drawing, Cav into the argument is rather stupid and risks the law of unintended consequences...

Quote
The plan was to scorch the earth again, just as we had done on La Planche des Belles Filles to put Bradley in yellow. I suggested that maybe it might be possible for me to attack towards the end of the stage, after I had shepherded Brad almost to the top.

The response was a frown from team principal Dave Brailsford and a slight unease that the question had been asked. I was used to this hypersensitivity towards Brad’s feelings but Brad was basically two minutes ahead. Today was a day when we could kill off his main rivals, Cadel Evans and Vincenzo Nibali, for him and take another stage.

I wasn’t putting my hand up and asking if I could help myself to Brad’s Tour or have a weekend away with his wife. I was asking could I go for a stage win, and get myself in a slightly better position.

Ooh, Brailsford being unfair to Froome again...

Quote
My argument was just as blunt. What happens if — as we all remember seeing on the last two Grand Tours that Brad has done — he fades in the last week, or he crashes, or something goes wrong? What if one of those things happens and I’m still too far off Nibali to be able to catch up again?

Dave, the man with a plan for all occasions, said that it was wrong to speak now of “what ifs”. These were the facts. We had to work with the facts. So we talked facts. Day one, I punctured. No contingency plan. Fact. Dave immediately apologised for that oversight. He was sincere but the point was made. There had been promises made and yet from the puncture to the special lightweight wheels and skewers, which Brad was using exclusively, all had been geared towards Brad. I had thought this was the team that didn’t do oversights.

Dave said to me: “Brad wants to go home. He’s ready to pack his bags and leave the race altogether.”

I remember thinking: “So it’s okay for him to leave and not give anybody else a hand? If he leaves, will I have to carry his bags?”

And, the piece de resistance is the final paragraphs
Quote
I gave the party line. “Brad’s in optimum position to win the race, and at the moment he’s poised to win so. . . we’re on track. And no, I’m not going to be attacking or anything like that.”

I realised, at last, that everything had been geared towards this.

It was never going to be any different. The story was completed long before we got to France. Bradley wins. The book is written. The documentary is made. The promise is fulfilled. We had just been acting it out.

So the TdF12 was a fix for Wiggo to win and everyone else was a mere actor...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 25, 2014, 00:51
FranMillar already tweeted and "deleted"

Something along the lines of

"My mother always used to say that there is their version of the truth, your version of the truth and the actual truth"

;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 25, 2014, 01:30
Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall as Michelle corrected the ghostwriters prose, trying to move poor Chris's  'statements masquerading as anecdotes' a notch  up from grey paint drying on an already very grey canvas...

That said how do these public airings leave the likelihood of a brad and froo' joint venture in Yorkshire?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 25, 2014, 01:58

That said how do these public airings leave the likelihood of a brad and froo' joint venture in Yorkshire?

Zippo.

Cycling reduced to the level of politicians.

Nobody believes the spin and they will kill each other at the first opportunity
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Icebreaker on May 25, 2014, 02:02
Jesus, how self absorbed does a brainless arrogant twit have to be to think they have material for an "autobiography" at the age of 29????
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 25, 2014, 06:11
This reads very much like Froome's version of the truth, hostwritten by Michelle.
Brailsford comes off as Macchiavellian as he probably is.

But Christ, why must they wash their dirty laundry in public? :for
Is that a British thing?
Sky comes across more and more as not a team, but a collection of individuals being convinced/persuaded/tricked/bullied into working for a "common" goal. That goal being "whatever Sir Dave B. desires".
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 25, 2014, 06:33
Walsh is a classic sometimes

I wonder if they use this book to be let gor from thier contract at Sky to go get the big money, I have a feeling they will end up at BMC next year when DB and CF/MC agree to rip up the contract.

Brailsford should call his bluff nad say no 1 individual is gretter than the team and Froome is not riding

 :lol
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 25, 2014, 11:15
This reads very much like Froome's version of the truth, hostwritten by Michelle.
Brailsford comes off as Macchiavellian as he probably is.

But Christ, why must they wash their dirty laundry in public? :for
Is that a British thing?
Sky comes across more and more as not a team, but a collection of individuals being convinced/persuaded/tricked/bullied into working for a "common" goal. That goal being "whatever Sir Dave B. desires".

I suspect that Froome feels hard done by: he is the better rider, yet the public loves Wiggo.

All the stuff that has been written about tdf12 focusses on Froome going against team orders and attacking Wiggins in his (and the UK's) moment of glory.

Froome wants his side of the story out there, however implausible.

Of course, it is Sir Dave B's team and it is his / sponsor's wish that they ride for.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 25, 2014, 13:07
One really does have to wonder about the motivation behind this book.

Money? Whatever Froome is going to make off of it must pale in comparison to what he's already earning from Sky and any other sponsors, I would think.

As has been said: Isn't a bit early in both his life and career to be putting the pen to paper? (Not that that has stopped countless others before him, of course.)

What good can possibly come from this in terms of "team" dynamics?
..........

I do find it endlessly amusing however that Wiggins was actually on the verge of throwing it all in and going home because of Froome's "attack." How and why would a team ever want to be at the mercy of such a fragile ego ever again?


Also, Note to self:
Never pass a private memo to Chris, less it end up in the pages of a book.  :shh
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 25, 2014, 13:11
The only way that froome will/ could (still a longshot) gain widespread uk support is to openly and without treachery, slay his dragon.  His action in '12 were bad form against a national icon, the public were somewhat sated with tdf glory in a non wiggins 2013, and if he chooses the contract loophole to unseat wiggins from a 'home defence' in 2014 then woe betide him in a public appeal sense.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on May 25, 2014, 13:20
Jesus, how self absorbed does a brainless arrogant twit have to be to think they have material for an "autobiography" at the age of 29????

Exactly my thoughts.

It seems to be a British thing, doesn't Cav have 3 or so out already?

By the way, from what I've read Froome comes across as a right asshole IMO.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 25, 2014, 13:25
Sergio Henao flying back to Europe tomorrow to get ready for the TdF
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 25, 2014, 13:27
But he seems just so "British."

Quote
I haven’t done much over in Britain in the last couple of years yet I’ve got so much support there. I’d love to be able to shake a few hands and say thank you to people.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2637642/CHRIS-FROOME-EXCLUSIVE-Who-needs-drugs-I-mountains-fuelled-espresso.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2637642/CHRIS-FROOME-EXCLUSIVE-Who-needs-drugs-I-mountains-fuelled-espresso.html)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 25, 2014, 16:31
To that point, surely financially there would be greater rewards in building a legacy as the first African tdf champion than the 2nd person (with in CF's case a fairly loose affiliation to GB) - perhaps it's just the chance to ride with a strong team for the rainbow bands that maintain the somewhat farcical links to blighty?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on May 25, 2014, 22:14
It is a British thing certainly, Rooney had a Biography published in 2006 when he was 20 I believe.
He has had another two published since then. Simply ridiculous, but the fascination with celebrities private lives drives the demand and that has evidently been extended into the world of cycling. A biography about now, is probably considered late for a British "sporting" "icon" like Froome.

But of course as mentioned you sense that Froome is highly frustrated with what occurred in 2012 and how the British public viewed and still view those incidents. He obviously sees this as a way to correct those misconceptions.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 25, 2014, 22:20
A biography about now, is probably considered late for a "British" "sporting" "icon" like Froome.
Fixed that for you. :P ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on May 26, 2014, 14:58
It is a British thing certainly, Rooney had a Biography published in 2006 when he was 20 I believe.
He has had another two published since then. Simply ridiculous, but the fascination with celebrities private lives drives the demand and that has evidently been extended into the world of cycling. A biography about now, is probably considered late for a British "sporting" "icon" like Froome.

But of course as mentioned you sense that Froome is highly frustrated with what occurred in 2012 and how the British public viewed and still view those incidents. He obviously sees this as a way to correct those misconceptions.

And as a way to make sure Wiggins doesn't ride the Tour maybe. Honestly their relationship is a mess. If they both ride it is going to get very ugly.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 26, 2014, 15:25
Serialisation in general is meant to build publicity for the book...

...but if the most interesting bit about Froome's story is contract negotiations with Brailsford then the book will be about as exciting as a chainlink.

Sad, really ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on May 26, 2014, 15:30
Possibly the most anodyne individual in GC cycling.

He is polished, clean and unabrasive like a good toothpaste but you only need to brush your teeth for 6 minutes a day.

When are publishers going to realise that third person biographies offer so much more potential? :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 26, 2014, 16:31
Despite Walsh's book on the tour, here is Ben Swift admitting that he loves Nutella based treats in his back pocket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-HBiDEZLCU

I can picture the Sky nutritionist hitting the roof - where are the marginal gains going??
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 26, 2014, 20:21
Despite Walsh's book on the tour, here is Ben Swift admitting that he loves Nutella based treats in his back pocket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-HBiDEZLCU

I can picture the Sky nutritionist hitting the roof - where are the marginal gains going??

There was a slightly mishievous smile when Swift first mentioned the Nutella so I was wondering if there was a little bit of micky taking/trolling going on from him there.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on May 27, 2014, 09:16
Well, what gets eaten on the race gets burned off. It could be a lard burger and it wouldn't matter, more or less. Nutella at the breakfast or dinner table is naughty though, plus the palm oil in it is less digestible. For that reason alone, I wouldn't eat Nutella. But then, I'm not a stultifyingly ill-informed young pro.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 28, 2014, 13:30
Too funny

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/12040/9329033/video-chris-froome-talks-bradley-wiggins-and-starting-the-tour-de-france-in-yorkshire

- Froome was 2kilo's too fat at romandie
- implying Wiggo will ride
- Porte is going for a podium ;)

All is well in Temerife for Team Sky and doomsayers will be slayed
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on May 28, 2014, 14:33
What!!!!!!!!!!! :o :? :angry :o
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on May 31, 2014, 11:35
https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/472665812344770560

https://twitter.com/michellecound/status/472666305804644352

??
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 31, 2014, 11:43
and wiggo was not invited to train with the team

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bo80ckGCIAAhriW.jpg:large)

CF and MC are doing their best to be in the middle of a sh*t storm of their on making it seems to me

if it blows up the might just get covered in it  :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 01, 2014, 08:48
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/05/news/news-froome-says-wiggins-spot-tour-team-still-uncertain_330299
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on June 01, 2014, 09:35
Sounds like everything is being set up nicely to leave Sir Brad at home in July.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on June 01, 2014, 11:42
Nothing really that bad in today's Sunday Times serialisation, three vignettes:

1. While racing for Kenya in the Tour of Egypt in boiling temperatures, the DS didn't bother to follow the race and hand out bottles but instead went sight-seeing. One of Froome's teammates quit suffering from dehydration and almost died untill he was picked up in the evening by a seigneur who went back to retrieve race radios.

2. Another puff piece about Froome being spat at in the Yellow jersey and having urine thrown over him. The unfairness of it all, when he is clean and paying for the sins of Lance.

3. Mount Ventoux - happy about Wiggins not being selected:

Quote
THE last step before the 2013 Tour de France was the Critérium du Dauphiné. When Team Sky planned the season I knew that Brad would be at the Giro d’Italia but he pulled out of the race after 12 days, laid low with a chest infection. He was also having a little trouble with his knee. A few days later he announced he was in no condition to ride the Tour.

The team hadn’t just dodged a bullet; we had ducked a cannonball. No matter what was said or how much we had deferred to each other in public, the first stages of the Tour would have been played as Froome against Wiggins, the gangly Kenya–born Brit against lovably gruff Mod geezer. The pressure could have cracked the team. Deciding where to sit at breakfast might have become a political decision.

Instead we went into the Dauphiné with a sense of relief and we finished it with my teammate Richie Porte and I on the top two steps of the podium. We had eight of the nine guys who would ride the Tour with us and from there we went to the French Alps for our final preparations. Our team. My team.

Nice...

Then some justification for why he attacked so early "On advice from Contador that because of the winds at top, it would be very difficult to drop people there"


All-in-all - pretty boring.

If that is the 2nd best passages, then the book is going to be tedious and just be should be as the 1st step in the process of canonization of Froome ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 01, 2014, 11:42
??
So is Michelle now the official Team Sky media-fail liaison?

I just love how Froome tries to play down the timing of his "autobiography" in regards to his 2012 disputes with Wiggo.
Quote
“I think we all need to remember that this is all stuff that happened back in 2012 and, even though it is being brought up now, it’s only because it’s in my autobiography.

Uh...yeah, Chris, which kind of begs the question, Why did you release the book right now? He doesn't seem to address that part of it.


Personally, I'm getting to the point now where I really can't stand this guy. At first I was somewhat ambivalent about him, then deeply curious but still somewhat on the fence. But my skepticism has only grown over the last couple of years to the point where now, I don't even like his face. Shallow but true.

And like Wiggo before him, I fail to see how his continued "success" will be a good thing for the sport overall.


Also, what is up with those appendages?
(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2014/05/04/2/20144471_227402_220.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 01, 2014, 11:47
Nothing really that bad in today's Sunday Times serialisation, three vignettes:
Quote
The team hadn’t just dodged a bullet; we had ducked a cannonball. No matter what was said or how much we had deferred to each other in public, the first stages of the Tour would have been played as Froome against Wiggins, the gangly Kenya–born Brit against lovably gruff Mod geezer. The pressure could have cracked the team. Deciding where to sit at breakfast might have become a political decision.

I read that, and I think, NO WAY is Brad riding the TdF this year. Will be interesting...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 01, 2014, 12:04
So is Michelle now the official Team Sky media-fail liaison?

I just love how Froome tries to play down the timing of his "autobiography" in regards to his 2012 disputes with Wiggo.
Uh...yeah, Chris, which kind of begs the question, Why did you release the book right now? He doesn't seem to address that part of it.



He can't address the timing of the book release as the obvious answer is money and sales and sportsmen can't seem to admit that they do things for those reasons.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 01, 2014, 12:08
flip it twitter campaign

#letwiggoride14tdf

ok folks lets go bananas

just for the sh*ts and giggles :lol
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on June 01, 2014, 13:11
Quote from: Via Uncle Keith
The team hadn’t just dodged a bullet; we had ducked a cannonball

... is probably the most appalling metaphor I have read this week, possibly this year. Who writes this hyperbolic nonsense?  :angry  :S

Reminds me of that classic chunk of hyperbole from the radio version of Alan Partridge's Knowing Me, Knowing You in which Alan reads out some of his own writing, from a novel that has so far failed to find a publisher:

Quote
His feet felt the hard cold stone grey floor. Feet that had trod every troublespot in the world. Feet that had tasted a touch of danger. Feet that had seen too much.

 :lol  :P

Back to Sky...

I think the explanation is, for a team that seems to do everything but concentrate on cycling, probably more straightforward. Froome and Wiggins are being deliberately kept apart for any sort of press call.

The first collision of schedules may well have been avoided due to injury or illness but I think thereafter the policy of not running both horses in the same derby has been express. However, if it is designed to minimise pot stirring, in the final analysis that has probably backfired.

One almost feels that the handprint of media manipulation is all over this.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on June 01, 2014, 13:15
... is probably the most appalling metaphor I have read this week, possibly this year. Who writes this hyperbolic nonsense?  :angry  :S

David Walsh or Michelle Cound.

Walsh was also responsible for the butterfly metaphor in last years book, which was even more crass.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on June 01, 2014, 13:23
David Walsh or Michelle Cound.

Walsh was also responsible for the butterfly metaphor in last years book, which was even more crass.

I also liked the Froome = Jesus, Contador = Barabbas comparison!!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on June 01, 2014, 16:40
So Thomas straight afer racing in Bavaria is off to France for cobbles recon with Rasch.

So that makes 5 almost certainies in the TdF squad: Froome, Porte, Nieve, Snow and Thomas. With Kiryienka and Sioutsou probably getting the rouleur roles, the door is shutting for Wiggins...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 01, 2014, 16:53
#letwiggoride14tdf
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 01, 2014, 16:53
So Thomas straight afer racing in Bavaria is off to France for cobbles recon with Rasch.

So that makes 5 almost certainies in the TdF squad: Froome, Porte, Nieve, Snow and Thomas. With Kiryienka and Sioutsou probably getting the rouleur roles, the door is shutting for Wiggins...
Nieve and Snow. They've got more options than I thought.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on June 01, 2014, 16:56
Nieve and Snow. They've got more options than I thought.

oops, that will be nieve and lopez :-(
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on June 02, 2014, 10:25
Snow

Sorry for being nickname ignorant, but who is Snow?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on June 02, 2014, 10:28
Nieve in spanish means snow so michel nieve is snow...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 09, 2014, 05:31
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/54720/Richie-Porte-on-Wiggins,-the-Tour,-Transfers,-and-missing-the-Giro
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Icebreaker on June 09, 2014, 06:35

So is Michelle now the official Team Sky media-fail liaison?

I just love how Froome tries to play down the timing of his "autobiography" in regards to his 2012 disputes with Wiggo.
Uh...yeah, Chris, which kind of begs the question, Why did you release the book right now? He doesn't seem to address that part of it.


Personally, I'm getting to the point now where I really can't stand this guy. At first I was somewhat ambivalent about him, then deeply curious but still somewhat on the fence. But my skepticism has only grown over the last couple of years to the point where now, I don't even like his face. Shallow but true.

And like Wiggo before him, I fail to see how his continued "success" will be a good thing for the sport overall.


Also, what is up with those appendages?
(http://cdn2.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2014/05/04/2/20144471_227402_220.jpg)

I am glad to have company in this camp.   Knowing what we know of him, and being subject to the sheer ignorance that is Froome, I long ago reached the "I can't stand him" mark.  I won't even watch a race he is in because I dislike everything he stands for so much.  And I can't stand to see anything that ugly on a bike.

The truth about him will come out at some point, and the fallout will not be good.  You just wonder after the last one of these "wonder" stories, how the hell did the sport decide to go all in once again, so soon.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 11, 2014, 06:38
Comments from Porte about Wiggins and Froome ride mag  (http://www.ridemedia.com.au/tour-de-france/comments-from-porte-about-wiggins-and-froome/)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 12, 2014, 16:23
From twiterville

 :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp75dBZCUAElPGq.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on June 12, 2014, 20:17
From twiterville

 :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp75dBZCUAElPGq.jpg)

Why not make Jesse into Froome? same boyish looks :lol
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on June 13, 2014, 06:05
Why not make Jesse into Froome? same boyish looks :lol

because JTL is better ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on June 17, 2014, 05:28
Brailsford in today's Times:

Quote
Speaking to The Times in Courchevel, immediately after Sunday’s final stage of the Critérium du Dauphiné, in which Froome slumped to 12th overall after leading the race for all but the final two stages, Sir Dave Brailsford, the team principal, accepted that he had a difficult decision to make.
Brailsford is still adhering to his plan to make his final Tour selection after the Tour of Switzerland, in which Wiggins, who lost ground during yesterday’s third stage, is competing.
“Two World Tour races is a long time in bike racing and all sorts of things can happen,” he said. “So we will get to next weekend, take stock and go from there.”
Brailsford refused to speculate on whether, given the tensions in their relationship, Wiggins and Froome would be able to co-habit within Team Sky at the Tour.
“These selection decisions are rebooted — like updating your apps — all the time,” he said. “You get more information as you go along and then, with all the latest information, you make a final decision.”
But Brailsford also made it clear that, despite the affection for Wiggins among the British fans, and his influential role in popularising road racing, he would not shrink from omitting the 2012 Tour champion if he felt that was the right decision.
“My job is to make decisions based on performance,” he said. “What I would say is that when I started this job 15 years ago, as a nation, we were plucky losers. In the last 15 years we have become world-beaters. Along the way, if you want to change that mindset, you have to make some tricky decisions.”
“There are popular decisions, sentimental decisions and performance-based decisions. My performance-based decisions have not always been popular, and they’re not taken to please people. I’ve got to start with a vision of a rider in yellow on the Champs Elysees and then work back from there.”
“People have enjoyed the success as a result of the mindset we’ve created, but even so, every now and then, you come up with these tricky situations which are pretty brutal. That’s the reality. But I know it has an emotional angle. I get it, I understand.”
Brailsford would not be drawn on how hard he would fight to retain Wiggins, if, as a consequence of his omission, the 2012 Tour champion did choose to move on. “That’s a hypothetical question,” he said. “But he’s a brilliant champion, he’s been brilliant for cycling in Britain, and he’s been a brilliant asset for British Cycling.”
Preparing the ground, for an unpopular decision...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on July 25, 2014, 15:44
Bradley ... and so it ends...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/commonwealth-games/28477534

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Leadbelly on August 08, 2014, 10:17
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=74079

JoDo has some work done on the iliac artery. Could be he's finished for the season. Could be he's finished with Sky.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on August 27, 2014, 07:11
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=74079

JoDo has some work done on the iliac artery. Could be he's finished for the season. Could be he's finished with Sky.

Hasn't been spectacular there, has he? But then, the youth don't get many chances to do much more than BOTD and sitting on the front. Boswell, Puccio, Edmondson ...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Leadbelly on August 28, 2014, 11:03
Hasn't been spectacular there, has he? But then, the youth don't get many chances to do much more than BOTD and sitting on the front. Boswell, Puccio, Edmondson ...

Puccio has done alright for himself this year and got his chance in the Italian one-dayers (and crashed/meched a lot in some of the other one day races), but you're right, it's crumbs from the table they're scrapping over. You'd think the youngsters could at least be given one SSR as their own mini TdF/LBL that they can aim for. I guess Boswell got a semi-chance at Route du Sud, but Edmondson seemingly has had nothing. I guess there's always Beijing.  :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on August 28, 2014, 11:29
Puccio has done alright for himself this year and got his chance in the Italian one-dayers (and crashed/meched a lot in some of the other one day races), but you're right, it's crumbs from the table they're scrapping over. You'd think the youngsters could at least be given one SSR as their own mini TdF/LBL that they can aim for. I guess Boswell got a semi-chance at Route du Sud, but Edmondson seemingly has had nothing. I guess there's always Beijing.  :P
Has Edmondson ever done anything to demonstrate he should have a team working for him? I wish him every success but his career doesn't read like a Yates or Kennaugh.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 28, 2014, 11:49
Has Edmondson ever done anything to demonstrate he should have a team working for him? I wish him every success but his career doesn't read like a Yates or Kennaugh.
How many times have Sky ridden for Pete?

I guess that is some of the issue, if the kids don't get a go or let off the chain how do we know.

it seems to me Sky ride for 3 or 4 riders only

Froome
Porte
Wiggo
G-Train

the restnare put to the sword in support, which may make them better in the end, but geez it must be hard, sucks if the riders you ride for suck or crash as well.

TBH A Yates would imo probably be a nothing man at sky 2014, but he gets a go and has done well at greenedge, different ideas 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on August 28, 2014, 12:07
How many times have Sky ridden for Pete?

I guess that is some of the issue, if the kids don't get a go or let off the chain how do we know.

it seems to me Sky ride for 3 or 4 riders only

Froome
Porte
Wiggo
G-Train

the restnare put to the sword in support, which may make them better in the end, but geez it must be hard, sucks if the riders you ride for suck or crash as well.

TBH A Yates would imo probably be a nothing man at sky 2014, but he gets a go and has done well at greenedge, different ideas
I'm not disputing any of that JSG, all I'm saying is that there is a pecking order in every team for who gets a shot and Edmondson is no where near the top of it.

That Sky offer so few opportunities to riders with potential clouds the issue but essentially there are too many riders with greater claim and that would still be the case if Sky were less controlling.

I'd also at EBH to your list of who got ridden for, back when they thought he would win many a classic.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Leadbelly on August 28, 2014, 12:07
Well I didn't mention having an entire team ride for them, but the freedom to ride for themselves and a race to target. No doubt some older, more experienced riders are more than satisfied just domming, but it must be tough mentally for youngsters rarely to have a chance, and as JSG says if you don't give them an opportunity you're never going to know.

I had to check PCS to get the exact placement, but Edmondson did impress on Malhao last year. Not the toughest climb, but seventh was pretty good going for someone in one of his first few races in the pro-ranks.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on August 28, 2014, 12:17
I'm not disputing any of that JSG, all I'm saying is that there is a pecking order in every team for who gets a shot and Edmondson is no where near the top of it.

That Sky offer so few opportunities to riders with potential clouds the issue but essentially there are too many riders with greater claim and that would still be the case if Sky were less controlling.

I'd also at EBH to your list of who got ridden for, back when they thought he would win many a classic.

I agree re Edmondson and peking order , but that list of young talent we can't say really how they would go does seems longer at Sky, as Cav  :lol

When Stan does well it always seems to me in spite of the team ideas, might change for 2015
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on August 28, 2014, 12:24
Well I didn't mention having an entire team ride for them, but the freedom to ride for themselves and a race to target. No doubt some older, more experienced riders are more than satisfied just domming, but it must be tough mentally for youngsters rarely to have a chance, and as JSG says if you don't give them an opportunity you're never going to know.

I had to check PCS to get the exact placement, but Edmondson did impress on Malhao last year. Not the toughest climb, but seventh was pretty good going for someone in one of his first few races in the pro-ranks.
This goes for all team sports I think...

There are some youngsters who warrant a shot because they excelled at a lower level, they command more money, sign with all the razzmatazz, and it's an easier 'sell' to the rest of the team. But you can't fill your squad with these because there aren't enough 'shots' to go round so (apart from your star names) you fill the rest of the places with solid pros who can do a job and know the score and take on a few youngsters who will gel well in the team and just might turn out to be really good at something. I'd put Earle, Rowe, Henao jnr and Edmondson in that group.

Post Merge: August 28, 2014, 12:28
I agree re Edmondson and peking order , but that list of young talent we can't say really how they would go does seems longer at Sky, as Cav  :lol

When Stan does well it always seems to me in spite of the team ideas, might change for 2015
No EBH will create more opportunities. Dependent on who they sign this winter.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on August 29, 2014, 11:21
It has been really tough this year for the young Sky lads. With the Injury crisis a number of them were forced early in the season to race when they were unprepared and at short notice and at races they weren't expected to race.

That a lot of those youngsters like Edmondson, haven't taken their chances or properly proven their worth it really doesn't help their claim, but Sky should be giving them more.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: August on August 29, 2014, 18:12
Sky is just all-around terrible at developing young riders.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on September 19, 2014, 06:57
British Cycling want Bradley Wiggins to head Team Sky development team
• Developmental team would help rider’s Olympic ambition
• Dave Brailsford wants ‘to support the next Bradley Wiggins’

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/18/bradley-wiggins-team-sky-british-cycling-olympics-rio (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/18/bradley-wiggins-team-sky-british-cycling-olympics-rio)

8-10 riders many track, Conti buildup to Rio

Still bugs me a lot that BC and Sky don´t have a womens team
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 08, 2014, 17:01
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/team-sky-beyond-limits-nicolas-roche?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 23, 2014, 11:36
Not sure he should be saying anything more than a no cooment to the question, but ........ it is true, not sure the whole Yates thing right, but Sky are very bad at development GB riders or not

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/brian-cookson-team-sky-failing-uk-talent-140998
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on October 23, 2014, 13:10
We've been saying it for ages and it goes for any youngsters, not just British ones.

Sky wanted a shortcut to the top: the all-consuming, one-race focus. It is tempting to believe that it all got jettisoned for that.

If so, who knows how the management strategy might have turned out if Wiggins hadn't bettered 4th in the Tour and Froome hadn't patented his Little Ring Afterburner?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on October 23, 2014, 20:38
...meanwhile Davide Martinelli didn't do a single race day as a stagiare for Team Sky. How is that even allowed?!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: lancasterke on October 24, 2014, 11:10
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/23/brian-cookson-uci-president-team-sky-abandoning-british-development-sir-dave-brailsford

I'd go further than he does and say, there's not a single British rider that has been developed successfully by sky from hugely talented neo pro to  getting the most out of their talent as a top pro.

I don't think it's a problem with british riders per se so much as a sky developing young riders problem
(possible British exception, Ian stannard, but i'd propose that he's developed despite Sky rather than because of sky, of foreigners, possibly Henao* and Uran)

there's also Froome of course (who had 8th in a stage of Romandie as his top result in his first year and a half at Sky before he cut out nuttella and coffee breaks, essentially no development at all until he, over the course of a week or two, became a top GC GT contender aged 26)

the problem with Plan A being "everyone works for the senior guy all the time" and plan B being "please see plan A" is very few opportunities for the young guys. the closest EBH has come to developing is the tour in 2011, where he was basically given free reign to do whatever he felt like.

as the point that probably best underlines this development issue, when Thomas Lokvist arrived at SKY he was a steadily improving (and viable) GC contender, you wouldn't believe that if you started following cycling in 2010.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on October 24, 2014, 11:15
Case in point - for me, anyway - is Peter Kennaugh.

I definitely expected to see Kennaugh "come through" sooner. It's almost confusing: I don't know if the kid has bags of potential or not. He looks really good sometimes but is rarely allowed to ride for himself.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 24, 2014, 12:23
Case in point - for me, anyway - is Peter Kennaugh.

I definitely expected to see Kennaugh "come through" sooner. It's almost confusing: I don't know if the kid has bags of potential or not. He looks really good sometimes but is rarely allowed to ride for himself.

Agree - &  have to say that seeing him free of team orders and able to kick past a team mate to win the UK Road Champs was a highlight this year.  I still have really high hopes for him, and his troubling surname being mispronounced across the land.   ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 27, 2014, 08:46
Xabier Artetxe moves fro  #movistar to #sky

who, what I thought, trainer of Nairo

https://twitter.com/biciciclismoweb/status/526654761417068544
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on October 27, 2014, 15:20
I wonder what prompted that swap.
Sky are always after the best in the world of marginal gains and must have really wanted and rated him.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2014, 16:17
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-set-to-unveil-his-new-development-team
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on October 29, 2014, 17:29
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-set-to-unveil-his-new-development-team

I do hope we're not now going to get a steady stream of dull, UK-specific news about this project just because Wiggins' pro road tombstone is planted in it.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2014, 19:12
I do hope we're not now going to get a steady stream of dull, UK-specific news about this project just because Wiggins' pro road tombstone is planted in it.

of course we are
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on October 31, 2014, 12:14
Viviani looks ahead to first year at Sky (http://cyclingquotes.com/news/viviani_targets_giro_and_track_in_first_year_at_sky/)

Quote
"A big part of the team is Italian," he told Federciclismo in an interview. "Sky Italia is very involved. Pinarello is a very important sponsor and other sponsors are Italian too. Having two Italian like me and Puccio was very important.
 
The goals for next season remain the same. The first part of the season will focus on the Track World Championships, the first step towards the 2016 Olympic Games in Rio.

There indeed was a lot more to this transfer than simply Garmin merging with Cannondale and Viviani deciding to leave. Sky after allowing Cataldo to leave would have had only one Italian on their roster and with whatever stake Sky Italia has they would have expected something a bit more.

Then there is the track factor. Viviani has been quite isolated on an Italian and then American team with his focus on the track. Now that he has joined Sky, the team with the largest interest in track in the WT he will have fantastic resources to work with and the understanding of the management regarding his track/road schedule.


Quote
but in 2012,Froome won the race on the climbs [in fact he finished second behind his teammate Bradley Wiggins, ed.]

:fp :fp :fp
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on October 31, 2014, 23:11
I have no words :fp

(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/inspire-ipcmedia-com/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/10/wiggobus-5.jpg)
(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/inspire-ipcmedia-com/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/10/wiggbus-2.jpg)


http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/british-bus-bradley-wiggins-customised-motorhome-142311
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on November 06, 2014, 09:25
2014 a season to forget for Stannard (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2014-a-season-to-forget-for-stannard)

Non-news really but it does perhaps initiate an interesting theoretical discussion about what it takes for a Classics specialist to be competitive for Spring.

Six Day racing, heavy winter training, Qatar and Dubai, the previous year's Vuelta?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on November 09, 2014, 17:41
Not sure where to put this, so it will go here:

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/531485725867646976

:hug
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on November 09, 2014, 18:12
 :niceday

https://twitter.com/jack_the_doctor/status/531495473384005632

 :shy
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on November 09, 2014, 23:34
well - congratulations to them.

I hope they are happy together. 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on November 10, 2014, 12:34
This will be OT but ...

It's none of anyone's business really but I guess these people will insist on splashing it on Twitter.

I have absolutely no interest in Froome's personal life. Cound inserted herself into the media coverage of cycling and that of itself was often newsworthy, even if the melodrama was usually rather facile.

Over the last few months, I have found myself reflecting a bit on the blurring of the personal and the professional in social media.

With old media (magazines and newspapers) there was always a bit more separation - publishing such stuff was either paparazzi or deliberate monetisation - but it was always a choice not to read that and not lose much in making that choice.

Now the inverse is somewhat true such that, unlike the erstwhile consumer, today I'm the one who has to be the pariah and the hermit if I don't want to participate in this sort of culture.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 10, 2014, 12:44
Now the inverse is somewhat true such that, unlike the erstwhile consumer, today I'm the one who has to be the pariah and the hermit if I don't want to participate in this sort of culture.
You'll be welcome in my cave. There's always room for another hermit. ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 20, 2014, 10:18
This fits in so many places

track, sky, womens

The Shane Sutton Interview http://audioboom.com/boos/2667668-the-shane-sutton-interview?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on November 21, 2014, 20:38
There's no way in the world that if I was a promising youngster I would sign with Sky. The Yates' made the right choice rather than just being burned out as mountain goats.

It will be interesting to see what DB does this year as his strategy has been found out and the stronger riders sit behind Kennaugh, Nieve et al until they are cooked and then go with Froome now.

Plan C needed Dave.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Leadbelly on November 24, 2014, 22:03
https://twitter.com/BiciGoga/status/536626059006185472

Henao back on a bike.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on December 09, 2014, 21:28
pic from Mallorca

nice beard Brad

https://www.twitter.com/GeraintThomas86/status/542067700135378944
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: NDC on December 16, 2014, 15:17
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Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 19, 2014, 10:39
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/brailsford-resets-team-skys-strategy-for-2015
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on December 19, 2014, 12:00
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/brailsford-resets-team-skys-strategy-for-2015

No new ideas, no response on how to address anything but GTs and the usual Tour warm-up races.

Lots of money, lots of talent, crap management.

Porte and Froome, Porte and Froome, Porte and Froome.

When they fail, this team has no other cards to show. Sky will never learn.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on December 19, 2014, 12:23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgBDO0R7VIk
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on January 07, 2015, 11:39
Phil Gilbert interview in Spain .... being ask about Chris Froome

Quote
PEZ: Why is the Cauberg so special for you?
Because it’s a climb that you can take on the big chain ring with big power and at high speed also and its short at 700 meters, so it’s perfect for my characteristics.

PEZ: How much power?
Enough, more than the others, I think.

PEZ: Do you know the numbers?
No, for me when I look at an image of how I can make a gap this is nicer than seeing a graph.

PEZ: But you use an SRM?
Yeah, like everyone, I’m sponsored by SRM.

PEZ: But do you run your life by it, or do you go by the feelings of your body?
Yeah sure, but in the final you don’t have time to see.

PEZ: Chris Froome does.
Yeah he rides like this (head down), but its good when he goes on the street, no one recognizes him because they have only ever seen his helmet. He has a very stylish position. We have fun about this with him when we are training; he knows it and can laugh about it.

PEZ: Do you train with him a lot?
No, because he is always at training camps.

funny    :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on January 08, 2015, 16:12
https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/553148028111314945
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on January 11, 2015, 12:46
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/01/news/porte-aims-for-big-2015-after-winning-national-time-trial-title_357550
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 12, 2015, 09:36
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/554570700825305088
Title: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on January 12, 2015, 11:22
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/11/team-sky-dave-brailsford-cycling


Sky "stronger than ever" with signings of Roche, Poels and König.

Froome to ride Ruta del Sol, Tirreno-Adriatico and Flèche Wallonne.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on January 12, 2015, 14:28
The supporting cast does look better on paper.

Konig and Roche is a a dream climbing/transitional stage pairing.

It's the leaders that don't do it for me.

I don't think Porte has a GT win in him and Froome needs to shake this tag of poor bike handler.

Ironically he could do with some track time !
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on January 12, 2015, 14:47
Quite apart from what my feelings are about veracity of performance at Sky, I always dread this time of year for Brailsford's annual State of the Union Scientific Psych Mumbo Jumbo Bamboozle Address.

In which:

- We need to do better in the Classics (because I must win everything not because I respect the races)

- All our bad days ever were actually vehicles for growth

- Froome is just ... (insert superlative to flatter guy you almost didn't renew in 2011)

- It's all just science and mental or it's all just mental science

- Screw you, Oleg
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 12, 2015, 15:22

Quotes from today's Telegraph:

Quote
Roche, Brailsford said, had been signed for his experience and willingness to “sacrifice” for the good of the team, which basically means his willingness to work for Froome


Quote
and Viviani because he wants Sky to become “serious about sprinting again”.

For the record I think Swift will have a stellar season.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on January 12, 2015, 16:17
Quotes from today's Telegraph:


For the record I think Swift will have a stellar season.
Hope so Froome. He seems to be very good at a number of things but not quite good enough at any of them to pick up the big career-defining win.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on January 12, 2015, 17:05
Hope so Froome. He seems to be very good at a number of things but not quite good enough at any of them to pick up the big career-defining win.
All it takes is a bit of luck and a keen tactical nous.
Sky riders aren't famed for either of those, but I am hoping Swift can make himself an exception.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on January 12, 2015, 17:10
Having just spent £3.3m on signing Froome up for 3 years on my draft game I hope he wins everything next year. Except the sprints where I want Cav to win. You can probably see the point at which I started running out of money...



Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on January 12, 2015, 17:36

Quotes from today's Telegraph:


For the record I think Swift will have a stellar season.

It'll be interesting to see how happy Viviani is at Sky. They've got the makings of a strong sprint train with the likes of Stannard, Rowe, Fenn, Kennaugh and Thomas.

In any WT stage race or GT though it's difficult to imagine Brailsford picking 3 or 4 of them together if he thought it would weaken the climbing side of the team.

I agree Swift looks ready for a great season, but sometimes it's looked like he's got good results in spite of Sky, working on his own, rather than because of them.


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Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on January 26, 2015, 16:05
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/josh-edmondson-contract-release-team-sky-153964

Quote
Rod Ellingworth, performance manager at Team Sky, explained that Edmondon’s disorganization, lack of professionalism and poor communication was behind his release from the squad.

“He is talented, but there is a lot of talent out there and this isn’t a conveyor belt,” said Ellingworth.

+more details in the print edition apparently

https://twitter.com/nickbull21/status/558283908564131840
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on January 26, 2015, 16:22
Sounds fishy to me on his part.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on January 26, 2015, 17:42
Froome left Mallorca a few days ago to go training in South Africa with Wout Poles

and here comes Wiggo to Mallorca (he was there in December too, while Froome was training in Tasmania with Porte)

https://www.twitter.com/Kelly__McLean/status/559632258379030528/
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 10, 2015, 09:33
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/stannard-finding-his-racing-legs-and-confidence-in-tour-of-qatar
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on February 10, 2015, 09:47
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/stannard-finding-his-racing-legs-and-confidence-in-tour-of-qatar

Difficult to judge whether Stannard thinks he will be a force this Spring. Hope so, of course, as Stannard is one of those riders most people (and even TV commentators) like to see at the sharp end, because it usually means that conditions are tough and the racing is hard and fractious.

There are also a few tentative signs that Rowe will improve again. It is time that Rowe started showing something more. Like Dowsett, he came up through a cobbled dom role, doing the hard yards. Unlike Dowsett though, he suits the terrain.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 10, 2015, 10:42
Difficult to judge whether Stannard thinks he will be a force this Spring. Hope so, of course, as Stannard is one of those riders most people (and even TV commentators) like to see at the sharp end, because it usually means that conditions are tough and the racing is hard and fractious.

There are also a few tentative signs that Rowe will improve again. It is time that Rowe started showing something more. Like Dowsett, he came up through a cobbled dom role, doing the hard yards. Unlike Dowsett though, he suits the terrain.

as I posted that I was thinking Stan seems to the Universal guy on Sky that all cycling fans want to do well
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on February 10, 2015, 12:16
I'd love to see Luke Rowe step up this year.
Stannard, Rowe, Fenn, Thomas and Wiggo... there's the beginnings of a decent team there
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 11, 2015, 09:18
https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/565414112289914880
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on February 11, 2015, 09:46
https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/565414112289914880

Benson interviews Wiggins - hmm... nah, I think I'll pass.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on February 11, 2015, 13:14
another article on Wiggins http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/57988/wiggins-shows-off-the-rainbow-stripes-and-more-in-qatar

last pic says he'll ride paris nice, and 3 Jours de la Panne

Sky will start these races

Omloop
KBK
P-Nice
E3
Gent
De Panne
Flanders
Scheldeprijs

curious if he also rides KBK, E3, Gent, Flanders, Scheldeprijs
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 11, 2015, 13:39
another article on Wiggins http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/57988/wiggins-shows-off-the-rainbow-stripes-and-more-in-qatar

last pic says he'll ride paris nice, and 3 Jours de la Panne

Sky will start these races

Omloop
KBK
P-Nice
E3
Gent
De Panne
Flanders
Scheldeprijs

curious if he also rides KBK, E3, Gent, Flanders, Scheldeprijs

and has been putting on the weight and training for the power surges required to win P-R he says  - now 80 kg 8 more than his worlds 14 weight  :o
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 11, 2015, 14:14
Didn't do a lot of surging in Qatar.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 11, 2015, 14:16
Didn't do a lot of surging in Qatar.

Nope Blowing a lot of hot air though
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on February 17, 2015, 11:27
https://www.twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/567606798652555265
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on February 23, 2015, 19:01
Nieve deserves a chance on his own this year as leader in a couple of races. He has been nothing but superb in doing a super domestique role so far.

Just imagine the Froome support at the Tour. Nieve, Konig, Roche, Porte, Kennaugh, Henao, Henao and G. Very very strong.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on February 23, 2015, 21:47
Just imagine the Froome support at the Tour. Nieve, Konig, Roche, Porte, Kennaugh, Henao, Henao and G. Very very strong.

Doesn't make sense if you ask me, the team needs to be balanced, while we can quickly agree that the 2nd best climber is probably more important than any other dom. There is only so many mountains and the team needs to be strong elsewhere too. Generally it seems like they always look to have a back-up GC guy or 2, 3-4 climbers, 1-3 flat doms, 1-3 intermediate doms to pace early climb but also needs to shelter Froome on the flat. In these you have to fit in your road captain and somebody that rides the same size bike as your leader.

My Guess:
Chris Froome
Vasil Kiryienka
Leopold König
Mikel Nieve
Wout Poels
Richie Porte
Nicolas Roche
Ian Stannard
Geraint Thomas
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on February 23, 2015, 22:19
Doesn't make sense if you ask me, the team needs to be balanced, while we can quickly agree that the 2nd best climber is probably more important than any other dom. There is only so many mountains and the team needs to be strong elsewhere too. Generally it seems like they always look to have a back-up GC guy or 2, 3-4 climbers, 1-3 flat doms, 1-3 intermediate doms to pace early climb but also needs to shelter Froome on the flat. In these you have to fit in your road captain and somebody that rides the same size bike as your leader.

My Guess:
Chris Froome
Vasil Kiryienka
Leopold König
Mikel Nieve
Wout Poels
Richie Porte
Nicolas Roche
Ian Stannard
Geraint Thomas

I can't disagree with you. Adding Poels, Vasil and Stan, just shows what an unbelievable roster they have.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on February 23, 2015, 22:53
I can't disagree with you. Adding Poels, Vasil and Stan, just shows what an unbelievable roster they have.

They have plenty of nice assets for sure

Probably will be a bit of an audition, they will probably outline some rider types they want and pick the best they have based on form.

Bernie, Deignan, Siutsou and Swift I would consider in addition to those we named.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on February 23, 2015, 23:09
They have plenty of nice assets for sure

Probably will be a bit of an audition, they will probably outline some rider types they want and pick the best they have based on form.

Bernie, Deignan, Siutsou and Swift I would consider in addition to those we named.

There you go. And Viviani. DB has to make some decisions then.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 02, 2015, 10:07
there is no way I would try this Brailsford must have shat himself

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/572334235341733888
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on March 02, 2015, 10:36
there is no way I would try this Brailsford must have shat himself

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/572334235341733888

Alert: insurance risk! Sanction that rider NOW!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on March 02, 2015, 20:30
Crikey....
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 02, 2015, 20:47
Doesn't make sense if you ask me, the team needs to be balanced, while we can quickly agree that the 2nd best climber is probably more important than any other dom. There is only so many mountains and the team needs to be strong elsewhere too. Generally it seems like they always look to have a back-up GC guy or 2, 3-4 climbers, 1-3 flat doms, 1-3 intermediate doms to pace early climb but also needs to shelter Froome on the flat. In these you have to fit in your road captain and somebody that rides the same size bike as your leader.

My Guess:
Chris Froome
Vasil Kiryienka
Leopold König
Mikel Nieve
Wout Poels
Richie Porte
Nicolas Roche
Ian Stannard
Geraint Thomas

I think Kennaugh will go, he's more than just a diesel and demonstrated fairly convincingly that he should never have been left out of last year's team.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on March 02, 2015, 23:28
I think Kennaugh will go, he's more than just a diesel and demonstrated fairly convincingly that he should never have been left out of last year's team.

We agree as far as that he should be on the team, I don't think he will be though. I would remove Roche from the above if I was setting the team.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on March 03, 2015, 20:42
First indications as to the teams:

Wiggins confirmed for Paris-Nice, Froome for Tirreno-Adriatico (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-confirmed-for-paris-nice-froome-for-tirreno-adriatico)

The headline should substitute Porte for Wiggins but that is what you get when reading the Anglo press.

Strade Bianche: Andy Fenn, Peter Kennaugh, Christian Knees, Salvatore Puccio, Ian Stannard, Elia Viviani, Xabier Zandio.

Tour de Langkawi: Ian Boswell, Philip Deignan, Nathan Earle, Sebastien Henao, Danny Pate, Chris Sutton.

Paris-Nice: Bernhard Eisel, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Richie Porte, Nicolas Roche, Luke Rowe, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas, Bradley Wiggins.

Tirreno-Adriatico: Chris Froome, Peter Kennaugh, Leopold König, Mikel Nieve, Wout Poels, Salvatore Puccio, Ian Stannard, Elia Viviani.


Sky may be dividing the teams up nice and early and whilst I am not sure about who will be lining up with Porte at the Giro (I have a feeling Puccio and Viviani will be on that list and certainly not Wiggins or Thomas), the TA team does seem to be roughly based around Froome;s mountain support team at the Tour, very roughly I say as Roche will be competing for a place on the Tour roster and Thomas will probably be assured one, however Konig, Nieve, Poels and Stannard will all be expecting to line up alongside Froome. I haven't been following, is there any reason why Kiriyenka isn't racing now? I also think that Lopez will lose his exalted status in the team now with the reinforcements over the winter.

I can't see past your lineup DB, unless one particular rider puts in a massive performance sometime between now and July, of course Kennaugh added in there as well, instead of possibly Poels, Roche or Kiriyenka. Kennaugh I get the feeling is now rated very highly within Sky and he certainly is rated well outside of the team. I fancy Seb Henao for the Giro after a promising performance last year, I can't imagine he has a shoo in for the Tour especially as Sky want a balanced team with experienced heads to lead them and they have ample climbing support already. Dunno about Sergio, as he hasn't started his season yet and isn't on any of these lists. I wouldn't be too surprised if they had sent him back to Colombia for some more testing..
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on March 03, 2015, 20:52
First indications as to the teams:

Wiggins confirmed for Paris-Nice, Froome for Tirreno-Adriatico (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-confirmed-for-paris-nice-froome-for-tirreno-adriatico)

The headline should substitute Porte for Wiggins but that is what you get when reading the Anglo press.

Strade Bianche: Andy Fenn, Peter Kennaugh, Christian Knees, Salvatore Puccio, Ian Stannard, Elia Viviani, Xabier Zandio.

Tour de Langkawi: Ian Boswell, Philip Deignan, Nathan Earle, Sebastien Henao, Danny Pate, Chris Sutton.

Paris-Nice: Bernhard Eisel, Lars-Petter Nordhaug, Richie Porte, Nicolas Roche, Luke Rowe, Ben Swift, Geraint Thomas, Bradley Wiggins.

Tirreno-Adriatico: Chris Froome, Peter Kennaugh, Leopold König, Mikel Nieve, Wout Poels, Salvatore Puccio, Ian Stannard, Elia Viviani.


Sky may be dividing the teams up nice and early and whilst I am not sure about who will be lining up with Porte at the Giro (I have a feeling Puccio and Viviani will be on that list and certainly not Wiggins or Thomas), the TA team does seem to be roughly based around Froome;s mountain support team at the Tour, very roughly I say as Roche will be competing for a place on the Tour roster and Thomas will probably be assured one, however Konig, Nieve, Poels and Stannard will all be expecting to line up alongside Froome. I haven't been following, is there any reason why Kiriyenka isn't racing now? I also think that Lopez will lose his exalted status in the team now with the reinforcements over the winter.

I can't see past your lineup DB, unless one particular rider puts in a massive performance sometime between now and July, of course Kennaugh added in there as well, instead of possibly Poels, Roche or Kiriyenka. Kennaugh I get the feeling is now rated very highly within Sky and he certainly is rated well outside of the team. I fancy Seb Henao for the Giro after a promising performance last year, I can't imagine he has a shoo in for the Tour especially as Sky want a balanced team with experienced heads to lead them and they have ample climbing support already. Dunno about Sergio, as he hasn't started his season yet and isn't on any of these lists. I wouldn't be too surprised if they had sent him back to Colombia for some more testing..

I can't see Puccio, Stannard or Viviani at the TdF. Swap in Porte, Thomas and Roche. That is the only objective of Team Sky this year. Everything else is a bonus.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: froome19 on March 03, 2015, 20:57
I can't see Puccio, Stannard or Viviani at the TdF. Swap in Porte, Thomas and Roche. That is the only objective of Team Sky this year. Everything else is a bonus.
Yep I agree about Puccio & Viviani for Porte & Thomas. Re-read my post  ;) I fancy Stannard in the team, they want his power on the flat and he has quite some weight with his impeding performances in the classics.  ;) He made the team in 2013 despite strong competition and would probably have made last year as well if not for his injury.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on March 03, 2015, 21:11
First indications as to the teams:

...


Sky may be dividing the teams up nice and early and whilst I am not sure about who will be lining up with Porte at the Giro (I have a feeling Puccio and Viviani will be on that list and certainly not Wiggins or Thomas)

Yes good question - a real wealth of talent to support Froome in France, with a high degree of confidence; but after last year I can no longer see Richie as a genuine grand tour GC contender, if he chokes they need a strong lieutenant; a real plan B... Who best to superdom and be ready to assume leadership?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on March 03, 2015, 22:05
Pretty certain I have read somewhere that Sergio Henao won't be back until after the Giro but that Sebastian will ride it after impressing the team management last year.

Given his 2013 performance and very vocal annoyance last year, I think it would be a big mistake for them to not take Kennaugh to the Tour this year. The logical option to me would be to have Roche, Konig, Poels, Kennaugh and Nieve plus Thomas and Stannard which would create a pretty strong team on the mountains and on the flat. Konig is a pretty decent Plan B too.

There's then a bit of flexibility to allow for an old workhorse such as Kiri or Eisel, or Swift to go for stage wins with a decent lead out.
Of course, considering that everyone apart from Astana fell apart on the cobbles last year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Rowe or even Fenn being taken to offer extra support, although Eisel's experience would probably put him in the squad if that is one of their concerns.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on March 06, 2015, 18:11
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/06/team-sky-dave-brailsford-cycling-new-technology
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on March 06, 2015, 18:14
That almost reads like a parody. Are we sure it's not a satirical website?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: cj2002 on March 06, 2015, 18:25
Fairly sure. I don't normally read Team Sky pieces, but that interested me. I'm also reading a book at the moment that mentions DB a lot in terms of his leadership and strategic planning. So I'm not surprised that he is continuing with the 'marginal gains' experiment, whatever that will entail in the coming years.

Most relevant for the discussion in hand, however, was the throwaway mention of Wiggo preparing for "his last stage race" with Sky.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on March 06, 2015, 19:51
That almost reads like a parody. Are we sure it's not a satirical website?

If you thought that was ridiculous...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/take-a-look-at-bradley-wiggins-custom-team-car-livery-for-paris-nice-161186
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on March 06, 2015, 20:04
I demand - demand! - that the UCI step in and stop this blatant disregard of their licensing rules! ;)

If Tony Martin can't have #rainbow bands on his own bike, Sir Wiggo surely can't have them on the following car.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Dim on March 12, 2015, 18:50
Former Sky Josh Edmonson has signed for #anpost Anpost Chainreaction
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 31, 2015, 09:08
http://www.ridemedia.com.au/interviews/richie-portes-reign-in-spain/

(http://www.ridemedia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Porte-Catalunya_GW.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on April 07, 2015, 22:05
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/bradley-wiggins/11519982/Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-and-Sir-Dave-Brailsford-interview-How-this-odd-couple-changed-the-face-of-British-cycling.html

DB & BW reminisce

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on April 15, 2015, 17:48
Kristoff to Sky potentially, albeit he would need leader billing for the monuments. They will also need to check his blood profile with a fine-tooth comb IMO.

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/kristoff_to_join_team_sky/

Straight from the Real Madrid school of transfers this one..."If Katusha can't afford him..."

 :-x
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on April 15, 2015, 18:25
Kristoff to Sky potentially, albeit he would need leader billing for the monuments. They will also need to check his blood profile with a fine-tooth comb IMO.

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/kristoff_to_join_team_sky/

Straight from the Real Madrid school of transfers this one..."If Katusha can't afford him..."

 :-x

Rasch needs to call Oleg and ask him how he felt about giving Sagan 4.000.000€ per year.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on April 15, 2015, 18:31
Quote
They will also need to check his blood profile with a fine-tooth comb IMO.

:fp
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on April 15, 2015, 18:36
"The challenge is to get Alexander to another level"

what level is that supposed to be? Winning the Tour de France? That's probably one of Sky's biggest problem, and a reason why some of the bigger profile riders who signed for Sky had problems to live up to the expectations - because those are disproportionately high

Edit: ok, apparently it was that Orn guy who said that, so Kristoff's personal trainer. Doesn't make it any better
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on April 15, 2015, 18:42
Edit: ok, apparently it was that Orn guy who said that, so Kristoff's personal trainer. Doesn't make it any better

He said that level was winning at least one monument per year, out of the three that are possible that is a lot to ask but for two years running it seem to be mission accomplished.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on April 15, 2015, 18:46
:fp

Florry. You know as well as I do  :shh
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on May 19, 2015, 00:14
Dunno how geo-restricted this is but Bradley Wiggins was on Desert Island Discs last week: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05tbsqb

Really nice casual interview that is not just the usual cycling stuff.

Caution: do not listen if you are an avowed Wiggins/Sky hater. The portrayal of Bradley as a human being may make it difficult for you to heap derision upon all his words and achievements in the future.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on May 19, 2015, 09:49
https://www.twitter.com/WoutPoels/status/599879472108720128
https://www.twitter.com/GeraintThomas86/status/599601518745100288
https://www.twitter.com/nicholasroche/status/599927433383550976

a few Sky guys fly to Tenerife today, should be the Tour team

Poels, Thomas, Roche.
Froome should be there too
Knees and Henao still in Cali
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on May 20, 2015, 20:52
https://www.twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/601055642959355904

Roche Kennaugh Rowe Froome Thomas Stannard

Poels is there too, I guess on different schedule/ride after his shoulder operation
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 20, 2015, 22:29
https://www.twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/601055642959355904

Roche Kennaugh Rowe Froome Thomas Stannard

Poels is there too, I guess on different schedule/ride after his shoulder operation

Add Porte and Konig to those 7 and do you have the team for the TDF?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on May 20, 2015, 22:33
Add Porte and Konig to those 7 and do you have the team for the TDF?

Maybe, or Porte and Nieve
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on May 21, 2015, 09:28
Maybe, or Porte and Nieve

Nieve got called to the Giro last minute
https://www.twitter.com/NieveMikel/status/589511834509701120

Henao should ride too
Knees I don't know
Kennaugh form and contract still to be seen

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 25, 2015, 10:25
Brailsford calls for radio communication to be aired on TV:
http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/brailsford_wants_to_allow_tv_viewers_to_listen_to_radio_messages/ (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/brailsford_wants_to_allow_tv_viewers_to_listen_to_radio_messages/)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 26, 2015, 03:39
Brailsford calls for radio communication to be aired on TV:
http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/brailsford_wants_to_allow_tv_viewers_to_listen_to_radio_messages/ (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/brailsford_wants_to_allow_tv_viewers_to_listen_to_radio_messages/)

Quote
"It would be super interesting to hear what the sporting directors are saying to the riders", he said.
That sounds like he's trying to figure out how it's done.


Quote
"It’s a complex sport. You’ve got all the sporting directors in the cars trying to play out hundreds of scenarios, like ‘who is going to chase? They all wait and watch the gap get to nine minutes, 10 minutes, and then suddenly you think, ‘hold on, I might be throwing the Giro away here. I think if everybody knew what each team was trying to do it would be fascinating and add a whole new level of intrigue and understanding."
Wouldn't that be akin to broadcasting any coach/player huddle from any number of team sports, and thereby undermining the very essence of "strategy"?

How would this work, exactly? With 20 or more different team radios, how would this get sorted out?

And wouldn't the very act of sharing all that info have an effect on the actual info being shared?

And shouldn't Brailsford be more concerned with keeping his own damn riders upright on their bikes anyway?!?!


Every team-car radio-feed that I've ever heard usually consist of little more than, "C'mon, guys. That's it. Keep it up. Go, go, go." Fascinating.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on May 26, 2015, 05:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPsUJ3EjCN0

Done and dusted Brailsford, did it add anything?

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on May 26, 2015, 06:27
Every team-car radio-feed that I've ever heard usually consist of little more than, "C'mon, guys. That's it. Keep it up. Go, go, go." Fascinating.
Tinkov posted a video from the #tinkoff car a few days ago, it was quite interesting imo because De Jongh said something like "okay so if you guys want a faster pace, Roman, up to you to decide who pulls"

Anyway I can't help but think this is a bad idea, what if teams are preparing an ambush attack, I mean if Sky hear on the radio that Tinkoff are planning to send Majka up the road at the TDF surely they will act apprioprately. Maybe Brailsfraud knows his team sucks monkey balls when it comes to race tactics so he wants to know what other teams do to level the field.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on May 26, 2015, 07:15
Tinkov posted a video from the #tinkoff car a few days ago, it was quite interesting imo because De Jongh said something like "okay so if you guys want a faster pace, Roman, up to you to decide who pulls"

Anyway I can't help but think this is a bad idea, what if teams are preparing an ambush attack, I mean if Sky hear on the radio that Tinkoff are planning to send Majka up the road at the TDF surely they will act apprioprately. Maybe Brailsfraud knows his team sucks monkey balls when it comes to race tactics so he wants to know what other teams do to level the field.

there will be codes

In many sports plays are called on the field and teams use codes

I for one think it will be interesting  and yes Sky really do suck at the race tactics part of Race craft

and tbh the more you look the worse the team looks or maybe they really are clean  :o   :lol ....... but for another section of course
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on May 26, 2015, 07:24
Especially for l'Arri, his big friend  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_17AXrMkYAk

Great idea!

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: kevchenko13 on May 26, 2015, 10:45
Add Porte and Konig to those 7 and do you have the team for the TDF?

Wonder now if they will keep König off TdF duty and give him the lead for  #red  *es later on - if he puts in a good final week in the Giro.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on May 26, 2015, 18:54
Especially for l'Arri, his big friend  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_17AXrMkYAk

Great idea!

Aalst's finest there, checkin' 1-2 on the mike in the place to be.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 27, 2015, 02:23
there will be codes

Like these?

Spoiler (hover to show)


Did Braisford even consider the international component in all of this?

I don't doubt that there may be some interesting/entertaining banter to be extracted, post-race, from one or two cars. But during? Why would any team divulge, to the world, what they're about to do?


Here's a sneak preview at the ASO/UCI/Eurosport Communications Center for Le Tour. They'll sort out all those audio feeds.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Photograph_of_Women_Working_at_a_Bell_System_Telephone_Switchboard_(3660047829).jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on May 27, 2015, 10:56
well, we have that during the Tour, don't we? It's just that the Eurosport guys keep talking (because they don't seem to have it on their headphones), so that you can understand nothing at all.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 31, 2015, 13:17
well, we have that during the Tour, don't we?

No. Unless you're referring to something different. What are you referring to?  :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 31, 2015, 13:20
This (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/news-shorts-knig-finishes-sixth-overall-at-giro-coledan-fined-by-jury) has to be the understatement of the season thus far.

Quote
To start three Grand Tours and finish them nine, seven and six is not bad I think.

- Leopold König

Not bad at all, young lad. I'd say you've got a sparkling future ahead of you!  :cool
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on May 31, 2015, 16:29
No. Unless you're referring to something different. What are you referring to?  :P

every time this little thing appears, there is radio communication from the car broadcasted

(http://i.imgur.com/3NgTfbC.png)

has been there for 2 or 3 years already

and I think everyone remembers Vaughters' "don't chase" order from the Ronde a couple of years ago. So it's nothing new, just barely in use
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 31, 2015, 16:44
every time this little thing appears, there is radio communication from the car broadcasted
I've never seen that icon before. :slow

But I would imagine that a team is fully aware of just when their broadcasts are going public?

That would be quite a bit different from every utterance being channeled through the TV producers control desk.

If the teams knew everything was being monitored, I doubt we would get much worth hearing.
Quote
Allez, allez, allez...
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on May 31, 2015, 17:33
every time this little thing appears, there is radio communication from the car broadcasted

(http://i.imgur.com/3NgTfbC.png)

has been there for 2 or 3 years already

and I think everyone remembers Vaughters' "don't chase" order from the Ronde a couple of years ago. So it's nothing new, just barely in use
Never heard it on Sporza, will check it soon on the HD channel though, me wants to hear Marc Sergeant say all those interesting thingies.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on May 31, 2015, 17:37
yeah, you don't hear it on Sporza (or the international feed in general) I think
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on June 05, 2015, 22:36
https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/606920137837576193
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on June 05, 2015, 22:48
I don't see what the big deal is. They even have separate mattresses. :P
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on June 05, 2015, 22:55
I don't see what the big deal is. They even have separate mattresses. :P

It's quite big for an RV
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jamsque on June 19, 2015, 21:41
UCI says no motorhome for Froome at le Tour.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: AG on June 20, 2015, 03:59
why was it ok for the Giro, but not ok for the Tour?   surely it should be the same rules
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 20, 2015, 08:16
UCI says no motorhome for Froome at le Tour.

Does it get a 2 minute penalty? ;)
So it's back to a box in the Ibis.
Not that I care, one way or the other, but it's yet another example of the UCI making up rules as they go along
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on June 20, 2015, 09:17
why was it ok for the Giro, but not ok for the Tour?   surely it should be the same rules
They added a rule.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on June 20, 2015, 10:57
Does it get a 2 minute penalty? ;)
So it's back to a box in the Ibis.
Not that I care, one way or the other, but it's yet another example of the UCI making up rules as they go along
Its strange. UCI want to transform cycling into a Giant Global Champions League of Cycling and when a team acts in ditto way it is not allowed.

Anyway, much ado about nothing.

https://twitter.com/AigorGaldeano/status/611985981684772864

;)


Post Merge: July 04, 2015, 09:08
Pomptidomtidom:

http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/84376/sky-wil-mikel-landa-als-vervanger-voor-richie-porte.html

https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/617228548114395136

well well well
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on July 14, 2015, 17:07
PR overdrive ...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-stage-10-quotes-froome-extends-overall-lead-in-la-pierre-saint-martin

Quote from: Porte
I think it’s one day in the Tour we can’t get too carried away. We saw it in 2013 when we got first and second on a stage and the disaster there. So we’re not getting too far ahead of ourselves.


Quote from: Thomas
... [W]e’re not going to get carried away ... We just have to remember ’13, when Froomie was in the front group by himself, and we really messed up. So you can’t take anything for granted.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on July 14, 2015, 22:08
PR overdrive ...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-stage-10-quotes-froome-extends-overall-lead-in-la-pierre-saint-martin

And the answer to the question "You know you are running a successful team when?" is

- When the disaster scenario you bring up is one where you win the Tour de France by 4'20''  :lol
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on August 11, 2015, 05:31
https://instagram.com/p/53wKTrHczM/
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on November 04, 2015, 17:00
Sky and Rapha done then...

http://pages.rapha.cc/team-sky/team-sky-an-open-letter-from-simon-mottram-2015

http://fendrieneu.tumblr.com/post/132478037134/rapha-and-sky-to-part

(https://puncheur.rapha.cc/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Sky-Announcement-Blog-1024x683.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on November 11, 2015, 14:58
http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/team-sky-alista-a-messi-fotos-11-11-2015
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on January 08, 2016, 16:57
Roche in hospital with 2nd infected spider bite...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/nicolas-roche-hospitalised-for-a-second-time-with-infected-spider-bite-205974
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on January 08, 2016, 19:59
 :cool

https://www.twitter.com/modcyclingphoto/status/685469053176168448
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on January 11, 2016, 17:38
https://twitter.com/100Climbs/status/686584349140107264

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on January 12, 2016, 12:55
So Froome adds another 2 years to his contract

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/686892518030598144
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 12, 2016, 14:08
https://twitter.com/100Climbs/status/686584349140107264

Sky change to Ford and we are onto day 3 of ICYMI stories

It just bonkers
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on January 12, 2016, 14:09
I guess that's what happens when you are sponsored by a media organisation.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 12, 2016, 14:14
I guess that's what happens when you are sponsored by a media organisation.

but it is not them it is CN, Cycling weekly etc
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on January 12, 2016, 14:23
but it is not them it is CN, Cycling weekly etc

Yes, but as a media organisation they have all the right contacts in every publishing house/TV network etc etc.

One of the benefits for Ford is the huge marketing power of Sky, contacts, PR Agencies, networking et al.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 12, 2016, 14:26
Yes, but as a media organisation they have all the right contacts in every publishing house/TV network etc etc.

One of the benefits for Ford is the huge marketing power of Sky, contacts, PR Agencies, networking et al.

If you believe that Sky marketing department are that good I guess I will leave it

It IMHO the roll on of the focus of the cycling media in general but defiantly the English cycling media on Sky, it one of the reasons why there is so much BS and crap re Sky in the 1st place
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on January 12, 2016, 14:34
If you believe that Sky marketing department are that good I guess I will leave it

It IMHO the roll on of the focus of the cycling media in general but defiantly the English cycling media on Sky, it one of the reasons why there is so much BS and crap re Sky in the 1st place

Part of the deal with Ford signing up would be the amount of PR they would get from it. Having worked in media/advertising for many years I know how it works, and as you said the other teams may issue a press release, Sky media reps/PR agency will be wining and dining, will be in day-to-day contact with all publications, and as you say English speaking.

Don't forget as a global brand, Sky, is somewhat more of a story than Quickstep flooring so as well as heavily targeting the cycling media they will also target more general media knowing that they'll get coverage. Favours for favours as well between media guys.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 12, 2016, 14:37
Part of the deal with Ford signing up would be the amount of PR they would get from it. Having worked in media/advertising for many years I know how it works, and as you said the other teams may issue a press release, Sky media reps/PR agency will be wining and dining, will be in day-to-day contact with all publications, and as you say English speaking.

Don't forget as a global brand, Sky, is somewhat more of a story than Quickstep flooring so as well as heavily targeting the cycling media they will also target more general media knowing that they'll get coverage. Favours for favours as well between media guys.

I know Ford knew they would get this focus

Sky media department are crap always have been

I has nothing to do with Sky being a global brand it has to do with the cycling media focus on Sky which brings positives ie for Ford and negatives in that is becomes so very tiresome and turns people away

Froome farts and we get 48 hours of reports

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on January 12, 2016, 14:42
I know Ford knew they would get this focus

Sky media department are crap always have been

I has nothing to do with Sky being a global brand it has to do with the cycling media focus on Sky which brings positives ie for Ford and negatives in that is becomes so very tiresome and turns people away

Froome farts and we get 48 hours of reports

Don't confuse Sky ProCycling media damage limitation with Sky's global power in partnership with brands who pay them handsomely.

Has Froome farted?

It is no different than if McDonalds were involved in cycling, they would ratchet it right up as they can afford to. Don't forget that Ford's marketing budget is absolutely huge (well over £100m in the UK alone) and they will be driving much of this (forgive the pun). They have a brand new Mondeo to sell, as well as several other SUVs, a transit and a new luxury car.

The publications also know that the more coverage they give, the more likely they will be on Ford's advertising schedules for the year.

Let's assume that Cycling Weekly see that they will get a one page ad in every issue for 52 weeks, that would probably be £5k income per week for that page ~ £250k per annum. Everyone's happy.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 12, 2016, 15:21
I will leave it here no point talking around in circles
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on January 12, 2016, 19:36
Having spent a month driving a Ford Fusion around, I have nothing but sympathy for Team Sky in 2016.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 13, 2016, 22:51
Having spent a month driving a Ford Fusion around, I have nothing but sympathy for Team Sky in 2016.

Probably still better than the Fiat Fission, where the door come off :lol
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 14, 2016, 09:04
https://twitter.com/Kenny_Pryde/status/687559634513752065

 :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on January 14, 2016, 10:32


Sky media department are crap always have been


I think you're conflating the two very different sides of the same spinning coin:

a) the ability to deal with externally generated news stories in an agile and sure-footed way minimising damage to the brand.

b) the ability to push stories out into the media that maximise brand recognition and value for sponsors.


In Sky's case: a=crap, b=gold.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on January 24, 2016, 17:02
www.cyclingquotes.com/news/van_poppel_i_want_to_win_classics/

Quote
"I got an offer from Sky, they told me that they want to make me a good rider for the Classics"

 :lol
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 24, 2016, 20:15
www.cyclingquotes.com/news/van_poppel_i_want_to_win_classics/

 :lol

To be honest, I never quite bought into him as a sprinter, so why not?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on January 24, 2016, 21:51
oh, sure, I wasn't laughing about van Poppel's potential lack of abilities there - more about Sky's (in the regard of being an attractive development team for someone who wants to improve in the classics)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on January 24, 2016, 22:25
DvP could be a very very good rider. He's only a pipsqueak now, he will grow into a winner.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on February 05, 2016, 10:53
https://twitter.com/EdwardPickering/status/695559687345979392
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on February 05, 2016, 11:01
https://twitter.com/EdwardPickering/status/695559687345979392

This season should show us whether or not Sky is properly committed to one-day racing.

Thomas' focus on GC seems contrary to that but the recruitment of Kwiatkowski and to some extent Van Poppel does suggest an attempt to broaden the team's competitiveness.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on February 05, 2016, 20:02
They have Rowe, Stannard and G for the cobbles and have tried to bolster that with Fenn, Moscon and DvP.

Froome would contest Fleche Wallonne if he can stay healthy and on his bike. Henao and Kwiatkowski also pretty good for the Ardennes.

So they have the squad to win one day races, and have won 2 Omloops and Harelbeke which is more than a lot of teams have. It's clear that a team built to keep Froome safe in the Tour will have a lot of GC talent but I think actually they've developed pretty well on the one day side the past couple of years and this could be a year they get some big results.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: t-72 on February 22, 2016, 21:39
Sky has received a lot of publicity, I think we can say mostly criticism, related to Porte's motor home in various parking lots around the start of the Giro last year. Such means of transportation are quite new to cycling (for the active pro cyclists, not for the fans, although they seem to prefer simpler varieties). However, those of us that follow other sports as well will know that they are quite common in other sports, especially in skiing. Team Sky's motorhome for Porte (aka the Porta-Porte?) is simply nothing compared to Ole Einar Bjørndalen's combined motorhome & training facility. And even Porte's palmares come quite short  compared to Bjørndalens outstanding collection of olympic medals. So, what else was there to expect: now Team Sky leader Dave Brailsford has now met Bjørndalen to learn about integrated motor vehicles for sports & camping near various sports events.

This news page from Norwegian state broadcaster NRK website is in Norwegian, but if international audience is allowed to see the clip, maybe Brailsford and Froome has something to say:  http://www.nrk.no/sport/team-sky-vil-laere-av-vm-klare-bjorndalen-1.12816339 (http://www.nrk.no/sport/team-sky-vil-laere-av-vm-klare-bjorndalen-1.12816339)

Team Sky has indicated that they would like Bjørndalen to come to one of their training camps to discuss both training and motorhome construction. Bjørndalen is 42 and still a serious contender for medals at the world championships this year. No word about how long Chris Froome intends to keep pedaling up the mountains.  :D

On a more serious note: Bjørndalen competes in biathlon and the skiing style there is more like classics racing in cycling with very variable intensity. The analogue to the Team Sky stage race style would be  cross country distance skiiers like Martin Johnsrud Sundby (who won this year's Tour de Ski).
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on February 22, 2016, 22:13
doesn't Northug have one as well?!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: t-72 on February 22, 2016, 22:27
doesn't Northug have one as well?!

He might not be allowed to drive  :lol

EDIT: he destroyed a very expensive audi driving drunk almost killing one of his friends, and ran away from the accident. Not something to be proud of  :(
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: search on February 22, 2016, 22:32
yeah, I know the story, it was a bit of a joke that they postponed his punishment until the season was over

I guess the normal person doesn't have a license to drive this one anyway, so it may be unrelated ;)

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Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 25, 2016, 12:14
Sky have got an amazing record in the first weekend of the season proper, with a lowest ever position of 4th in OHN and 2 wins and a 3rd in 5 runnings of KBK. Yet this year the team looks barely competitive...

Andrew Fenn
Michal Golas
Christian Knees
Gianni Moscon
Alex Peters
Salvatore Puccio
Luke Rowe
Elia Viviani

A couple of kids, a couple of workhorses, a few still awaiting a breakthrough performance and a 2nd tier sprinter.

I assume it's tactical, as over the same period they've rarely threatened to take a Monument victory; but are these the right tactics?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on February 25, 2016, 12:45
Sky have got an amazing record in the first weekend of the season proper, with a lowest ever position of 4th in OHN and 2 wins and a 3rd in 5 runnings of KBK. Yet this year the team looks barely competitive...

Andrew Fenn
Michal Golas
Christian Knees
Gianni Moscon
Alex Peters
Salvatore Puccio
Luke Rowe
Elia Viviani

A couple of kids, a couple of workhorses, a few still awaiting a breakthrough performance and a 2nd tier sprinter.

I assume it's tactical, as over the same period they've rarely threatened to take a Monument victory; but are these the right tactics?

To put it a bit bluntly, Stannard is only really good for maybe two weeks in Spring. On both occasions that he won OHN, he was off the boil by the time Flanders came around. In that regard, it's probably a good move.

It sure is a ragtag team though. The older guys Golas and Knees are there to add a bit of weight. Viviani will have one eye on the Track Worlds (presumably) and has already said he's there to help the team. On the other hand, Puccio has been going conspicuously well lately but never looks like living upto his U23 promise. So unless this is the beginning of a breakout by Rowe, it's hard to see who they're going with here.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on February 25, 2016, 15:39
Surely Rowe is the only one with a real chance to win OHN of the squad. I'd say protect him, if Viviani is looking stunning and the weather is good, he could be a plan B if the race is shockingly slow. Oh and if anyone fancies why not get in the break as well?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: t-72 on February 25, 2016, 19:21
Gianni Moscon is a very good cyclist and these races can be his best chance for a breakthrough. He lost the U23 worlds two years ago by slipping in the second last downhill, where it flattened out on top of the dam in a near 90-degrees tight right-hand turn. His potential is definitely higher than his results to date, but I guess that sums up Sky's classics squad and not just Moscon.


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Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on February 25, 2016, 21:51
Gianni Moscon is a very good cyclist and these races can be his best chance for a breakthrough. He lost the U23 worlds two years ago by slipping in the second last downhill, where it flattened out on top of the dam in a near 90-degrees tight right-hand turn. His potential is definitely higher than his results to date, but I guess that sums up Sky's classics squad and not just Moscon.

Agree his future is interesting, probably still too early to expect anything in a big race like this though, other than of cause experience to be used later on. :cool
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DJW on February 25, 2016, 22:34
I think I'm one of very few people who think Sky have inconspicuously develops their classics team very well over the past few years. Doubts over DVP are a shame but I see Stannard's absence as a big chance for Rowe who could easily be winning a handful of classics in a few years time.

Yes the rest of the team lacks experience and demonstrable results, but Fenn, Moscon and Rowe will have chance to show some talent and then work hard for G and Yogi later in the spring.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: t-72 on February 25, 2016, 23:08
Sky's classics team - might have done something well, but failed to get decent results with Edvald Boasson Hagen - arguably the greatest talent they had on their rooster for the classics (split with G. Thomas perhaps). This had something to do with their training or team culture. When Edvald came to Sky, he started falling from the sky, and now that he left Sky it seems he is back on track again. Dimension Data will have a role in the classics this year.

One notable things about Sky in the classics has been crashes, and not just any rider crashing but the captain or other lead riders crashing. More than any other team. Geraint Thomas enjoys hero status in the UK and it must be because he crashes so often that it is all forgotten when he wins a race. Here,  its been a joke that Sky's tactic should be to put Thomas in front of the other team's main riders, and let him wipe them out in the inevitable fall. However, it hasn't just been Thomas, Boasson Hagen and Stannard have had their share of misfortune too. As a team, they have been falling too much and while that could be technique it is more likely about concentration and psychology involved.





 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on February 26, 2016, 09:38
 I would assume the team is what is if because Luke Rowe, having served his three year apprenticeship and getting some pretty fair results in the process, now gets his opportunity to lead.
 Time for Cardiff boy one to pass the baton to Cardiff boy two, so to speak.

 As for EBH, regardless of talent or teams, to date he remains 20kms short of what it takes to win a monument.
So many great riders do.
It's the reason why they remain the jewel in cycling's crown.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 26, 2016, 11:03
I would assume the team is what is if because Luke Rowe, having served his three year apprenticeship and getting some pretty fair results in the process, now gets his opportunity to lead.
 Time for Cardiff boy one to pass the baton to Cardiff boy two, so to speak.

 As for EBH, regardless of talent or teams, to date he remains 20kms short of what it takes to win a monument.
So many great riders do.
It's the reason why they remain the jewel in cycling's crown.
We shall see. There are some riders who Sky turned from nowhere men into world beaters and others like EBH for whom the reverse is true.

He's looked like the old HTC Edvald again since his move and I might be tempted to put a few quid on him for MSR.

I suppose the original point I was interested in was the idea that riders peak within a spring classics season, essentially just the month of March. Does history tell us that it's worth giving the first weekend a miss? Quickstep always seem to have a top team, SVM seems to ride everything, BMC and Katusha? Or can you ride it without giving full gas, just for the run out?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: t-72 on March 10, 2016, 22:09
I am starting a tradition here of posting in this thread every time Geraint Thomas flips over on the race course.
No telegraph pole this time, he managed to fall on a climb.

Brits seem to be very much in favor of his skills on the bike, but in other places he is the favored gregario for the main opponent: "Put Thomas in front of him, that will take him out!"

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 10, 2016, 22:38
I am starting a tradition here of posting in this thread every time Geraint Thomas flips over on the race course.
....
This thread should exceed 40 pages by the end of March then.

In terms of spectacle, this was a poor effort, more of a gradual toppling over than a fall.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on March 11, 2016, 07:10
Perhaps he was practising for a place on the team sprint for Rio??

 :shh
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: L'arri on March 11, 2016, 09:52
This thread should exceed 40 pages by the end of March then.

In terms of spectacle, this was a poor effort, more of a gradual toppling over than a fall.

Yep, whenever I see a Sky rider on the ground, I automatically assume it's him. Even if he's not in that particular race. :lol
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on March 11, 2016, 10:58
Could you imagine if Thomas changed teams to Cannondale? They'd never finish at TTT.

Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 11, 2016, 13:33
Could you imagine if Thomas changed teams to Cannondale? They'd never finish at TTT.

 He is to bike handling, what Kirby is to commentating. ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on March 11, 2016, 13:56
Beñat Intxausti has Mono I think I read somewhere

the new Sky guys just not dealing well with the training
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 11, 2016, 16:45
2kms out, and guess who almost managed to crash on his own, again?
Staying upright seems to be Thomas's biggest obstacle in becoming a GC big cheese.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on March 11, 2016, 16:49
He is to bike handling, what Kirby is to commentating. ;)

That must make Froome Eddie Waring then?


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Sorry parochial UK / 1970's reference there...  ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on March 11, 2016, 16:50
2kms out, and guess who almost managed to crash on his own, again?
Staying upright seems to be Thomas's biggest obstacle in becoming a GC big cheese.
He really has incredible poor bike handling skills for a former track racer. No wonder Froome has a mancrush on him. Poels better watch out for that virus  ;)

Title: team Sky news
Post by: t-72 on March 19, 2016, 17:08
Oops he did it again!
(Geraint Thomas fall, Milano - San Remo).


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Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: DB-Coop on March 19, 2016, 17:17
Oops he did it again!
(Gearing Thomas fall, Milano - San Remo).

Hit the deck one more time!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on March 19, 2016, 17:26
Yeah, truly unbelievable, he is a fall magnet. I wouldnt want to ride with him in my neighborhood.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 19, 2016, 18:03
Yeah, truly unbelievable, he is a fall magnet. I wouldnt want to ride with him in my neighborhood.

I popped in to actually post the words: "I see that the crash magnet has struck again." :lol :cool
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Flo on March 19, 2016, 18:06
He is crashes more than Andy and Frank combined in their best days. Impressive.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on March 19, 2016, 18:06
I popped in to actually post the words: "I see that the crash magnet has struck again." :lol :cool
I like yours better. Crash magnet.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on April 09, 2016, 19:53
Not really news but a bit of a thought about what their team selection in the cobbled Classics.

Given that he is the rider that they have who has their best 2 results in monuments with his performances at MSR why doesn't Ben Swift ride in Flanders and Roubaix. He's someone who to me who would have the neccesary skills for the races (more so Flanders than Roubaix) and does have a decent finish at the end of a 250km+ I find it strange that he isn't selected for them.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: t-72 on April 09, 2016, 21:53
I actually forgot to add a post here for Geraint Thomas falling (again) at the RvV. Shame on me  :angry
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on October 05, 2016, 10:00
it´s beginning, slowly, but it will continue.

aftre Rapha, it´s Castelli´s turn to get a hard time on the web  :P

https://www.twitter.com/Stephen28780796/status/783423503009808384
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on October 05, 2016, 10:22
it´s beginning, slowly, but it will continue.

aftre Rapha, it´s Castelli´s turn to get a hard time on the web  :P

https://www.twitter.com/Stephen28780796/status/783423503009808384

I thought Rapha got a hard time on the Web even before they were associated with  #sky
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on October 05, 2016, 10:32
I thought Rapha got a hard time on the Web even before they were associated with  #sky
yes, it was a match made in keyboard warrior Valhalla
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on November 28, 2016, 18:12
https://twitter.com/pelotonmagazine/status/803298733563768832

Putting this here, but also remember Darkside is the doping discussion place  ;)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: just some guy on January 25, 2017, 11:49
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/824222441035677697
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on January 25, 2017, 13:38
yes, it was a match made in keyboard warrior Valhalla

Yes but somewhat deserved (outside of Sky)  -  a pompous start up selling unashamedly extortionately over priced, simply styled cycling clobber; waiting as their total reason for being as an entity to be bought out or floated... good luck to them, but they should not be immune to some gentle web ribbing!  No textile pun intended!
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on February 13, 2019, 09:31
Dave B looking for a Colombian deal

https://www.elespectador.com/deportes/ciclismo/sera-el-sky-el-primer-equipo-colombiano-en-el-world-tour-articulo-839157
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 13, 2019, 13:24
Dave B looking for a Colombian deal

https://www.elespectador.com/deportes/ciclismo/sera-el-sky-el-primer-equipo-colombiano-en-el-world-tour-articulo-839157
Well, if it works out, he can hardly mis-manage a Colombian-funded team as much as Corti did/does.

Although, he might take this as a challenge ... :shh
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 13, 2019, 14:16
Dave B looking for a Colombian dealer
  :shh
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on February 13, 2019, 17:33
 :P
it´s facebook I know
this from a comment on cyclingnews FB page (under the Sky-Colombia piece)

From what I hear, it is a certain London-based Colombian billionaire who is putting up the money, through one of his Colombian businesses, and that Team Sky's reception in Colombia would be a deciding factor ahead of an announcement closer to the Giro .. and also that Brailsford has had him lined up all along and that those hoping for the team's budget to be clipped are going to be in for a big disappointment.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 13, 2019, 20:57
From what I hear, it is a certain London-based Colombian billionaire...

Maybe one of these two guys?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/07/duke-wellingtons-daughter-debuts-rich-list-marrying-billionaire/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/07/duke-wellingtons-daughter-debuts-rich-list-marrying-billionaire/)

https://www.forbes.com/profile/jaime-gilinski-bacal/#78e6b6da3db4 (https://www.forbes.com/profile/jaime-gilinski-bacal/#78e6b6da3db4)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on February 14, 2019, 13:39
Ecopetrol, a Columbian petroleum company is now the rumoured firm to take over from Sky.

At least they will add some fuel to the rumour mill. :D
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 14, 2019, 21:40
Colombia

Just sayin'  ;)

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Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on March 25, 2019, 10:04
Well...

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/23/ineos-chemicals-environment-pollution-eu-lobbying/
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 25, 2019, 15:02
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/23/ineos-chemicals-environment-pollution-eu-lobbying/

So what are the sentiments on the ground in Britain over all this?

Will statements such as:
“This may explain why INEOS chief Jim Ratcliffe supports Brexit, but it is hardly a vote of confidence in Britain when he has cash for a cycling team but not to make his UK plants fit for the future”
be detrimental to the team's popularity? Is there expected to be a public backlash at all, or will the team and the athletes be looked at as distinctly separate from their new owner?
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 25, 2019, 18:35

So what are the sentiments on the ground in Britain over all this?

Will statements such as:
“This may explain why INEOS chief Jim Ratcliffe supports Brexit, but it is hardly a vote of confidence in Britain when he has cash for a cycling team but not to make his UK plants fit for the future”
be detrimental to the team's popularity? Is there expected to be a public backlash at all, or will the team and the athletes be looked at as distinctly separate from their new owner?

 The football loving, cycling hating section of the press with do the utmost to get a rise out of the general UK public, but in reality nobody gives a rat's rear about Team Sky/Ineos or SDB*.
 









Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Joelsim on March 26, 2019, 10:08
Personally I'll be actively not supporting Ineos. Everything about this guy is wrong.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 24, 2019, 10:15
Looks like trouble in Yorkshire paradise.  :-x

New Team Sky boss Jim Ratcliffe faces green protest at the Tour de Yorkshire next month
 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-6952109/New-Team-Sky-boss-Jim-Ratcliffe-faces-green-protest-Tour-Yorkshire-month.html)

Quote
Face masks of Britain’s richest man, Jim Ratcliffe, will be circulated to cycling fans by environmental campaigners at next week’s Tour de Yorkshire in protest against Team Sky’s new owners.

Team Sky are using the race to morph into Team INEOS after securing a three-year £120million deal with the petrochemicals giant.

But environmentalists led by Friends of the Earth are planning to campaign against INEOS’s involvement with fracking, with local groups set to attend the Team launch on May 1 before protesting over the course of the four-day stage race.


He looks pretty fit, though. I'll give him that (with a pretty big dude behind him!).
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/23/20/12629054-0-image-a-1_1556047258093.jpg)
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Servais Knavendish on April 24, 2019, 11:01
yep that's the dad from the Incredibles in costume behind...

Think the extinction rebellion protests were perhaps a little more effective than some roadside facemasks of someone that less than 0.1% of the UK population would recognize.. but will wait and see;
 
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 24, 2019, 12:10
 I wonder: Did Greenpeace use their ships to blockade the Admiral's Cup last year, or is it just the Sky brand that generates all the media attention?
 Surely Ben Ainslie's Ineos team must have been targeted by environmentalist groups in the same way, but it's hard to find anything in print beyond the odd piece on them wanting him to find a different sponsor.

 Still, it will be like the good old TDF days for the ASO. Those French farmers sure know how to protest.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on April 24, 2019, 20:39
I wonder: Did Greenpeace use their ships to blockade the Admiral's Cup last year, or is it just the Sky brand that generates all the media attention?
 Surely Ben Ainslie's Ineos team must have been targeted by environmentalist groups in the same way, but it's hard to find anything in print beyond the odd piece on them wanting him to find a different sponsor.

 Still, it will be like the good old TDF days for the ASO. Those French farmers sure know how to protest.

I think this would just be a question of profile

Cycling > Sailing even when it involves a 4 time olympic gold medallist at the head of a British Americas Cup campaign.

Also it's a lot easier to make your point on the roads of Yorkshire than it is in the middle of the Solent.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: pastronef on April 30, 2019, 19:49
https://www.twitter.com/petercossins/status/1123199873090768896
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 30, 2019, 20:29
https://www.twitter.com/petercossins/status/1123199873090768896

 So, folks are shocked when Froome hasn't become an instant chemical expert and geologist, but Nibali not having a clue about the appalling human rights issues in Bahrain is quite acceptable.
 The name may have changed but it's business as usual.
Title: Re: team Sky news
Post by: Mellow Velo on May 03, 2019, 09:17
 A number of the contributors over on BR were at the stage yesterday. Turns out that the protest was bit of a non-event. A handful of pro-protestors and press made all of the noise. The rest turned up wearing polyester fleeces, nylon yellow vests and carrying nylon ruck sacks and kit bags. :lol


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