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Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 15, 2012, 03:30
Just thought I would mention that the Australian GP is this weekend and my office is about 500m from the track surface.  From where I am sitting I have already had several aircraft pass the windows at roughly eye-level.  Can't wait till the F1 practise starts up tomorrow and we get to feel the windows rattling.  :-D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 15, 2012, 03:40
Hoping Webber can beat his team mate this time.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 15, 2012, 04:03
Would be nice to see him finally win his home GP - especially since virtually his best effort here was his first start in the Minardi...  although, yes he has led the race several times to no success..
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Tuart on March 15, 2012, 04:15
As a Sandgroper I am meant to be behind Riccardo all the way (btw, he had a piece on him behind the Gazzetta paywall, did anyone get to read it?) but really, the hype in the WA media he's got whenever he farted, I'm over it now, so I hope he retires on lap one. :D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 15, 2012, 04:20
Would be nice to see him finally win his home GP - especially since virtually his best effort here was his first start in the Minardi...  although, yes he has led the race several times to no success..
Another reason I like him more than his some of his successful counterparts. He worked his way up to a top team, through a below average jaguar and williams, while nowadays drivers are earmarked for top teams from their first year.

Although, I don't think he'll have much of a chance to beat Vettel with the team orders back, unless Vettel has some proper failures.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 15, 2012, 04:35
In a way I am sorry that he didnt take a seat at Ferrari this year.  Its been rumoured for a few years that Massa's seat was his for the asking.  If this year is another smashing by Vettel then he may end up with only lower team options for next year...  If he keeps it close (or wins) however, he will be driving at the top end for a few more seasons.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 15, 2012, 04:35
As a Sandgroper I am meant to be behind Riccardo all the way (btw, he had a piece on him behind the Gazzetta paywall, did anyone get to read it?) but really, the hype in the WA media he's got whenever he farted, I'm over it now, so I hope he retires on lap one. :D

You're Australian - that's how it is supposed to work
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 15, 2012, 04:42
In a way I am sorry that he didnt take a seat at Ferrari this year.  Its been rumoured for a few years that Massa's seat was his for the asking.  If this year is another smashing by Vettel then he may end up with only lower team options for next year...  If he keeps it close (or wins) however, he will be driving at the top end for a few more seasons.
Doesn't Massa's contract end this year? I've heard Luca di Montezemolo hint at his departure after that a couple of times. Either way, it'll be a bit of a case of fire to frying pan if Webber goes to an Alonso led Ferrari.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Tuart on March 15, 2012, 04:52
You're Australian - that's how it is supposed to work

What, the unrequited following or schadenfraude? :D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 15, 2012, 04:55
What, the unrequited following or schadenfraude? :D

One followed by the other, or in an opposite's relationship.

eg:  Follow Greg Norman until he makes it and then once he is earning, drop him like a rock and laugh every time he chokes.

Thousands of similar examples, but Leighton Hewit is another one.  Australian cricket team is another.

We love strugglers but are sickened by "winners"
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Tuart on March 15, 2012, 05:16
Really? I get Tall Poppy Syndrome and all but usually we love a champion and milk them for all their worth. TPS is *usually* reserved for non-Aussies. :D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 15, 2012, 05:29
Really? I get Tall Poppy Syndrome and all but usually we love a champion and milk them for all their worth. TPS is *usually* reserved for non-Aussies. :D

...and successful Aussies who have become annoying.

(fixed that for you)  :D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Arb on March 15, 2012, 08:03
As a Sandgroper I am meant to be behind Riccardo all the way (btw, he had a piece on him behind the Gazzetta paywall, did anyone get to read it?) but really, the hype in the WA media he's got whenever he farted, I'm over it now, so I hope he retires on lap one. :D

At least he got AFL off the back page.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 15, 2012, 08:06
Agree with those hoping Webber can do well.  I am hoping Vettel is a little more human this year, and therefore, Webber is on a bit more a level playing field.  Don't see why he would want to go to Ferrari - he's nearing the end of his career, he's in the best car (probably)...do one, maybe two more years at Red Bull and retire?

Overall, I am hoping Mclaren give Button a car that is capable of challenging Red Bull, and delivering him a second world title.  Or at the very least, one that sees him out perform Hamilton again  :)

Roll on the weekend! 
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Arb on March 15, 2012, 08:11
What are the rule changes this year?

Haven't watched much the last couple of years, too busy with two wheels.
Title: Lewis Hamilton's dad to launch 'X-Factor' style F1 talent hunt
Post by: Zam on March 15, 2012, 10:35
 Lewis Hamilton's dad to launch 'X-Factor' style F1 talent hunt
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London, Mar 13 (ANI): Lewis Hamilton's dad Anthony is set to launch a Formula 1 talent contest which emulates the style of shows like 'X-factor', to hunt for Grand Prix stars of the future.
The McLaren drivers' father said that he has tentative backing from F1 teams to make race seats available on the 2014 Formula 1 grid if the drivers, one male and one female, make the grade.
The format, christened 107 percent, is intended to be a global competition to find race drivers for F1 and other forms of motorsport.
Just as it is in Formula 1, at each stage competitors will have to be within 107 percent of the winner or they will be kicked out of the competition.
According to sources, the plan has influential backing in motor racing circles and a major manufacturer involved.
"The idea is to reach deep into the untapped pool of the general public to find talented individuals who could be race drivers and that must exist worldwide," the Mirror quoted Anthony as saying.
"The idea is to create 'X-factor' and 'Apprentice style' opportunities for the general public who dream to become race drivers. The intention is to use on-line qualifying within 107 percent of a set time as part of the process then the competition is within the reach of everyone who has a dream of becoming a race driver.
"The only qualifications for entrance will be that you can reach the pedals of a road car! Essentially you pay a modest fee to download a programme and then you can try and qualify as many times as you want.
"If you pass the on-line qualification stages you will be invited to take part in the actual competition where there will be various televised boot camps and it will end in a televised live F1-style final," he said.
He also said that there were other modes of payment, if one was not enough.
"If you can't play on-line, you will still get the opportunity to enter the competition by visiting a dealer showroom.
"The winner gets a full season's drive with an F1 team - a real race drive not a one- off test. Most people dare not even dream of an F1 or race driver career because the various steps on the ladder are so expensive. Well my dream is that 107 percent can help make some people's dreams come true.
"I am planning - and hoping - to launch 107 percent in the next two months. I'm putting my reputation on the line with my belief that somewhere out there a new star is waiting to be found, if I fail I'll take up fishing! The concept can work, I just need everything to come together to make it happen and so far it's all looking good, so fingers crossed," he added.
Anthony is legendary for the way he helped his son Lewis, the 2008 world champion, negotiate the pit falls of an F1 career to become the best in the world.
Now he is working with his other son, Nic, 19, who is a saloon car racer, and running an elite management group which includes rising F1 star Paul di Resta, world kart champion Nick De Vries and the son of retired world champion boxer Chris Eubank. (ANI)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 15, 2012, 14:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16872627 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16872627)

Well, it certainly won't be the best looking grid (for car's) this year.  I know the 'hump' on the nose is to fit in with the new regulations, but it sure as a hell isn't pretty to look at.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 15, 2012, 14:15
Why no stepped nose for McLaren?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 15, 2012, 15:41
Why no stepped nose for McLaren?

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Every other team has decided that the best solution to the new rules forcing a lower nose is to plough ahead with having as high a chassis as possible, in order to maximise the flow of air underneath the car.

“I’ve asked our technical guys if they are sure that we have done the right thing and they have told me not to worry,” team boss Whitmarsh is quoted by Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport.

He admitted there is an obvious aerodynamic benefit to the ‘step nose’ solution.

“But we have a lower centre of gravity, more freedom in the suspension geometry, and a more comfortable seating position and a better view for the driver,” added Whitmarsh.

The main reason for McLaren’s decision is that, having already gone a different route to Red Bull at the front of the car last year, a ‘step’ nose would have required a wholesale design philosophy change.

“This car is an evolution,” confirmed Whitmarsh.

“In terms of radical innovations that are visibly obvious, I’ll have to disappoint — these rules just don’t leave that sort of room any more.”

How about the Renault Lotus colour scheme, harks back to the JPS Lotus glory days.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 15, 2012, 17:09
Cheers Captain.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 15, 2012, 23:13
Agree with those hoping Webber can do well.  I am hoping Vettel is a little more human this year, and therefore, Webber is on a bit more a level playing field.  Don't see why he would want to go to Ferrari - he's nearing the end of his career, he's in the best car (probably)...do one, maybe two more years at Red Bull and retire?

Not sure that Red Bull will give him that much time in the car.  I have a feeling that he has 3 years left as a driver at Ferrari or another team but probably only 1 at Red Bull.  There are so many top drivers pushing to get that second seat that Mark may be pushed out of it.  If for example - not that its that likely - Hamilton were to approach Red Bull when his McLaren contract ends Mark wouldn't stand a chance.  its been pretty clear for a while that they consider Mark to be the Red Bull "Massa".
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on March 16, 2012, 04:34
...will be very interesting how the Button Hamilton drama plays out this year...who does the McLaren car design favour and how will the driver driven politics steer up-season car developments and refinements...

...ahh the soapy drama of it all...

Cheers

blutto

 
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Sizzle on March 16, 2012, 07:24
I am looking forward to the day this anachronistic event leaves Melbourne. A fifty million dollar government subsidy - what a waste of taxpayer money. Better nurse-patient ratios instead, please.

On another note: I live about 2 km from the track and ride through Albert Park regularly. It's always interesting to watch the unfurling of Grand Prix paraphernalia (grandstands, concrete barriers etc) over a two month or so period, and then its withdrawal. The noise of the cars and the road closures don't bother me at all. But I HATE the jet fighter plane flyovers. I cannot tell you how much.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: sublimit on March 16, 2012, 14:56
Nice to see F1 back,  looking out for more heroics from Kobayashi.   Button with the usual calmness personified and getting the job done while his teamate loses it, and Massa spending the year inevitably getting his butt kicked by Alonso.

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 16, 2012, 21:45
I am looking forward to the day this anachronistic event leaves Melbourne. A fifty million dollar government subsidy - what a waste of taxpayer money. Better nurse-patient ratios instead, please

I get what you are saying but in terms of sport in Melbourne the GP is cheap - it is also credited with helping us get the comm games.  Its also silly to think the money would go to public sector jobs instead.  It would just go to another big event to promote Melbourne.

As a former queens road resident - 150 metres from the track I used to think it was awesome once the road closures started and we could do team time trial training on the fast surface with only rollerbladers for company.

Flyovers do scare the pets though.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 16, 2012, 21:48
Just checking - has passing been re-introduced to F1 yet???   ::)

Have you been under a rock? LOL

More passes per race some times last year than in whole seasons in the Schumey era
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 17, 2012, 07:10
Grid (top 10):
Hamilton (McLaren)
Button (McLaren)
Grosjean (Lotus)
Schumacher (Mercedes)
Webber (Red Bull)
Vettel (Red Bull)
Rosberg (Mercedes)
Maldonado (Williams)
Hulkenberg (Force India)
Ricciardo (Toro Rosso)

Both Ferrari's outside the top 10, Alonso spinning off in Q2.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 17, 2012, 07:18
grosjean  :o

Good to see Red Balls struggling.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Tuart on March 17, 2012, 07:31
It's nice when your outside fantasy pick qualifies 3rd :D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 17, 2012, 10:02
Ouch, this season has the makings of a procession for Mclaren, the teams and drivers they would be most afraid of are a long way back. Early days though.

If the Renault is this good, they are seriously going to regret not having a better driver line up. (Raikonnen not having raced for two years)

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Auscyclefan on March 17, 2012, 10:09
Why didn't Riccardo post a time in the final qualifying session? Was it to save a pair of soft tyres for the race?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 17, 2012, 10:41
Got home from the track a little while ago. Awesome sunny LOUD day :-D

Interesting spread at Lotus and quite a surprise at red bull.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: sublimit on March 17, 2012, 11:51
Alonso driving like an amateur, crashes out of Q2  but still out qualifies Massa..  :fp   
And Michael seems to be up to speed at last. 
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Arb on March 17, 2012, 13:51
Qualifying is actually exciting for the first few races, until the natural order is established.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on March 17, 2012, 14:04
...so the testing sessions were somewhat accurate which is pretty unusual...

...Raikkonen must be just livid over the cock-up the qualifying was for him...be very interesting how the race will go him, what with a fast car stuck way off at the back of the grid...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 17, 2012, 14:33
He's not half bad for such a situation. My mind always goes back to his McLaren days, especially 2005.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 18, 2012, 07:44
Top drive by Button, now the commentators are having a wank about Button when at the start of last year they were saying he was a bit of a dandy compared to Hamilton. Think it may have something to do with driving for a rubbish team like Honda (for the most part) after farking up his Williams opportunity.

Raikonen and Alonso did well too and Mercedes may have reliability issues. Poor Maldonado, farked up in one corner, sill a good ride by him.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on March 18, 2012, 08:28
Agree with most of what you say Ram.  Have heard/read somewhere that the Mercedes is very hard on its tyres so over the whole race they look like they are going to struggle.  Wonder if other teams will still be claiming that Mercedes are cheating... ::)

Superb drive by Button.  Big fan of his, and hope he outperforms Hamilton again this year, winning his second title in the process.  :win

Really feel for Maldonado, especially after the season Williams had last year.  Both Saubers had good races, particularly Perez from the back of the grid.  Lotus look very promising for the season ahead, but I can't  help but feel it will be McLaren and Red Bull fighting it out for honours this year, and everyone else competing for third...
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 18, 2012, 08:41
Button winning the championship, now that would be noice. That he was able to agree to being equals with Hamilton when being defending champion deserves some praise.

Aye, let's wait and see if the cheating claims are sustained. Softcocks.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on March 18, 2012, 11:54
...yeah, good on Button...now we'll see how the car will be refined thru the season and how the political battle that has fed that development in the past plays out...methinks if it continues to be a Button car it is proof positive that Hamilton's star at McLaren has faded and he will be gone at season's end...

...also good to see that Raikkonen seems to have a good car to play with...he could become a very interesting wild card this season...especially as both Ferrari and Mercedes have produced cars that are not entirely up to scratch( the former simply bad and the latter functionally bad long term, as in hard on tires in race conditions )....

...this could be a great season...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Tuart on March 19, 2012, 01:22
Wish the Froggie didn't crash out :( I like the look of that Lotus/Renault car.

After being in the first corner flip up and ending up at the back of the pack, good to Riccardo get 9th. He's the new Jack Brabham!!! :P
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: joe_papp on March 25, 2012, 00:51
Ouch, this season has the makings of a procession for Mclaren, the teams and drivers they would be most afraid of are a long way back. Early days though.

If the Renault is this good, they are seriously going to regret not having a better driver line up. (Raikonnen not having raced for two years)

Dude, no offense, but are you kidding? Did you watch Quali from Malaysia before leaving your post unedited for so long that I could respond to it?! lol...
If I read you correctly, you're suggesting that if the Lotus E20 proves to be a reliably fast car, the team will regret/lament having signed Kimi Raikkonen? (btw: in place of...who? Rubens, for example?! ::))

Even having made a couple of errors during his Q3 flying lap (which he admits to), Raikkonen's pace was competitive and his technique was visually beautiful to behold. Obviously as fans we don't have access to any data or real insight into the team, but just from his performance at Melbourne where he finished 7th after having started waaay back, and what he did today, I don't know how you could continue to think that Raikkonen's two-year break from F1 retarded his abilities. I don't even know how you could've thought that initially! lol  :fp

Anyway, enjoy tomorrow's Grand Prix. I'll leave you with something from Autosport...


From AUTOSPORT http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98348 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98348):

Kimi Raikkonen believes his Lotus had the potential to be inside the top two in qualifying for the Malaysian Grand Prix, had not made a mistake on his Q3 flying lap at Sepang.

Raikkonen will start from 10th on the grid in Sunday's race after the team was forced to change his car's gearbox, but Raikkonen believes his pace was good enough to contend for pole; on paper, at least.

Asked by AUTOSPORT if he could have been one of the two fastest drivers in qualifying, the winner of this event in 2003 replied: "Yeah for sure. It's [his time] a tenth away from the top three and for sure we lost that easily.

"I got out of shape in two places and lost maybe a tenth or two, and on a perfect lap for sure it could have been two tenths faster, but it's not often that you get everything right like that so..."

The Finn also revealed that he was happier with his car after overnight changes to the floor and repairs to his KERS, which hadn't functioned properly during Friday's practice.

"It worked today, so I mean it didn't work yesterday, we had some issues with KERS and all sorts of things," he explained. "Now it is normal and it's fine. I don't think in Melbourne... it didn't feel something right. We ran the same floor, and then we changed the floor yesterday because we had some issues and suddenly it's like it was in testing."

The 2007 world champion was quick on race pace on his return to F1 at Melbourne last week, where he finished seventh, and though he hopes to be able to achieve a similar speed on Sunday, he was cautious about predicting a podium place..."If it is the same like yesterday I think we have a pretty good car."
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: sublimit on March 25, 2012, 08:48
I'm not entirely certain Kimi has the raw speed of say an Alonso, Hamilton or Vettle but yeah a classy driver- He's probably more comparable to Button and like easy on the eye.

He gets a 5 grid penalty this time so lets see what he does in whats looking like a wet race, I think Schumi will go well today IMO.

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: DinZ on March 25, 2012, 10:28
I'm not entirely certain Kimi has the raw speed of say an Alonso, Hamilton or Vettle but yeah a classy driver- He's probably more comparable to Button and like easy on the eye.

He gets a 5 grid penalty this time so lets see what he does in whats looking like a wet race, I think Schumi will go well today IMO.

well you certainly put the curse on Schumacher there

no live coverage here (not that i would be allowed to watch it. already had way too much sport on this weekend) but still waiting for this safety car to go in and actually do some racing
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: DinZ on March 25, 2012, 10:33
Dammit what is Hamilton playing at. Balls up of a pit stop and loses the lead.

Button shows his silky smooth driving skills by parking his car in an HRT
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: DinZ on March 25, 2012, 10:46
Much as i like Mclaren it is always good to see guys who do not have the 'best' cars leading a race. Already know Alonso can drive the cr@p out of any car but Perez is doing a great drive right now
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: sublimit on March 25, 2012, 11:51
Oops, I put the kiss of death on Schumacher there.  :fp
Alonso wins and the impressive Perez second.   Possibly a future Ferrari driver maybe- he has to be better than Massa.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: DinZ on March 25, 2012, 12:06
Interesting that Hamilton does not quite have the race pace to match his qualifying pace in both races so far
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 25, 2012, 12:33
Slept after the race got stopped and woke up well after it finished, good timing.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Tuart on March 25, 2012, 16:14
Disappointed for Perez. I hope his team getting on the radio telling him to just race for 2nd whilst he had the aibility to pass Alonso didn't flip up his concentration there. Meanwhile Grosjean has a terrific start then gets taken out by Schumacher?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: benotti69 on March 25, 2012, 17:40
Disappointed for Perez. I hope his team getting on the radio telling him to just race for 2nd whilst he had the aibility to pass Alonso didn't fornicate up his concentration there. Meanwhile Grosjean has a terrific start then gets taken out by Schumacher?

Dont think Sauber (ferarri engines) are unofficially allowed to win in front of Ferarri in a situation like that.  ;)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: DinZ on March 25, 2012, 22:49
Slept after the race got stopped and woke up well after it finished, good timing.

That is what formula 1 is for. When i was in Uk spent many a sunday afternoon watching the start, sleeping for 90 mins then waking to see the final 2 laps
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: joe_papp on March 26, 2012, 00:52
Much as i like Mclaren it is always good to see guys who do not have the 'best' cars leading a race. Already know Alonso can drive the cr@p out of any car but Perez is doing a great drive right now

+1.

I'd hate to be Massa right now though. Can't see it getting better for him. The slow downward spiral will continue until Perez takes over?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Tuart on March 26, 2012, 06:33
Dont think Sauber (ferarri engines) are unofficially allowed to win in front of Ferarri in a situation like that.  ;)

Bullsh*t!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: DinZ on March 26, 2012, 06:46
+1.

I'd hate to be Massa right now though. Can't see it getting better for him. The slow downward spiral will continue until Perez takes over?

Not sure many people want to be Alonso's team mate, especially in a dodgy car. Always thought he was the best at getting the most out of a crap car.

Really interested in why Hamilton does not have the race pace to back up qualifying. Is it a design issue in car or a mental issue in his head

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 26, 2012, 07:33
Oh, I don't know.  I think a large % of the grid would take a contract at Ferrari without even reading it - I exaggerate for comedic effect but you get the idea.

There isn't necessarily all that much overlap between the drivers who want to go there and the drivers that Ferrari wants to get though.  Thats the problem, and increasingly its probably the reason that Massa still has a seat...

Mind you, he recovered his weekend pretty well.  Imagine the press if he finished where we all expected him to after Qualifying!?!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on March 26, 2012, 12:35
Bullsh*t!

...given Ferrari's long history of shady dealings and long being blessed by super special  unique decisions handed down by the powers that be that arrangement you have so emphatically written off is not exactly beyond the realm of possibilities...

...and sorry that my response is conspiracy writ large but this is Ferrari we are talking about...they are after-all, the head snake in a den of deadly vipers ( which, for me at least, is a big part of the fun in this very soapy melodrama) ...

...that being said, great drive by Alonso...he took maximum adavantage of some real lucky breaks...

Cheers 
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Tuart on March 26, 2012, 14:43
I don't doubt it could be true. I said bullsh*t because it's bullsh*t they can do that. Perez had the fastest car and would have be an awesome and deserving winner.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on March 27, 2012, 00:13
I really don't see Peter Sauber signing a contract with that hanging over his head.  Oviously there is not going to be anything written down in the normal paperwor - but I still dont think he would sign if there was something else going on in the background.  If so, he would have switched to Renault (like the other half of the grid) by now.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on March 29, 2012, 17:28
...find below link to a nice article on Vettel's season so far...and as an extra added bonus includes with some interesting insights into the relationship btwn car design and driver success ( oddly enough the same issue runs across the Button/Hamilton divide )


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2012/03/vettel_collision_a_champion_un.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2012/03/vettel_collision_a_champion_un.html)

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 29, 2012, 18:10
Vettel did come across as a half brained whinging bolloc after the incident. For farks sake, accidents happen and backmarkers are racing a bloody thankless one. That said, HRT are slow as sh*t.

As for the Red bull, it's good that they aren't dominating this year, can't have another Ferrari '99-'04.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 29, 2012, 18:18
Who said this is the sport section? We can talk about anal lube sex too if we wish.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on March 29, 2012, 18:21
Too much lube and the battering ram would go round and round too.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Capt_Cavman on March 29, 2012, 21:36
Dude, no offense, but are you kidding? Did you watch Quali from Malaysia before leaving your post unedited for so long that I could respond to it?! lol...
If I read you correctly, you're suggesting that if the Lotus E20 proves to be a reliably fast car, the team will regret/lament having signed Kimi Raikkonen? (btw: in place of...who? Rubens, for example?! ::))

Even having made a couple of errors during his Q3 flying lap (which he admits to), Raikkonen's pace was competitive and his technique was visually beautiful to behold. Obviously as fans we don't have access to any data or real insight into the team, but just from his performance at Melbourne where he finished 7th after having started waaay back, and what he did today, I don't know how you could continue to think that Raikkonen's two-year break from F1 retarded his abilities. I don't even know how you could've thought that initially! lol  :fp

Anyway, enjoy tomorrow's Grand Prix. I'll leave you with something from Autosport...


[Some stuff that demonstrated that he had a super quick car but failed to get the most out of it]

No offence, but are you seriously suggesting that everyone should edit their posts as each event unfolds? If only it was that easy to rewrite history.

There are two drivers in a team, my point was that Grosjean wasn't good enough for the drive (and I may turn out to be wrong here, and no, I won't edit this post if I am) and Raikkonen hadn't competed in the sport for two years. (cheers for the spelling tip).
To suggest that Raikkonen is as good as he can be straight away in race one is bizarre, he's never used DRS before in a race and when he used KERS three years ago, it's benefits were so limited that only two teams ran it throughout the season. And lo and behold he doesn't get the results the car is capable of, while Grosjean parks up what's left of his car twice in a row.

As for other drivers, even now there are plenty of proven quick drivers without an F1 drive or in 'lesser' teams let alone when they started their search for drivers for 2012.

I expect Raikkonen to improve. The trouble is I also expect Ferrari, Red Bull, McLaren and possibly Mercedes to improve their cars at a faster rate than Renault once they all get them back to Europe. So while he is currently cobbling together a few points in what may be the second fastest car out there, he will end the season cobbling a few points in the fifth or sixth fastest.

So yes, on the evidence so far Renault will rue the fact that their driver line up currently isn't able to take advantage of the speed of their car.

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 14, 2012, 15:24
...the Chinese Grand Prix grid seems to indicate that we are in line to have one cracker of a race...heck, there is even the possibilty, though remote, that Kobacrashi may win ( now wouldn't that force the world to spin off axis for a while )...and there are other delicious possibilities here ( especially if there is moisture in the mix...Alonso could pull off another miracle...)...great on Raikkonen...and Vettel is off lost in the weeds ( and has to do something real super to assuage his fragile ego... )...and speaking of ego, the battle between Hamilton and Schumacher may end up with very big thud and plenty of carbon bits flying about...

...so stock up on cold beverages...this may be a race for the ages...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on April 14, 2012, 15:37
Good qualifying session that, now the protests about the dodgy Mercedes rear wing should become more vociferous. Have to say, Ross Brawn does have a knack of finding loopholes, the blown diffuser and now the rear wing.

Let's see what Vettel is really made of with a not perfect car and high expectations. Wouldn't mind a Mercedes win and would be brilliant if Kobayashi could.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: sublimit on April 14, 2012, 16:04
Nice qualifying by the flying Japanese driver Kobayashi!     
  I'd love to see what he could do in a Ferrari or any better car.         

  He puts plenty of the other drivers to shame and is just been a breathe of fresh air in the last 2 or 3 years IMO.



Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: nobilis on April 14, 2012, 17:09
I think Perez is more likely to take Massa's spot at Ferrari next season, if not before.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on April 14, 2012, 17:13
Aye, think I've written earlier in the thread that Di Montezemelo in his interviews last year said categorically that Alonso would drive for the length of his contract at least and conspicuously avoided the other driver, Massa.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 14, 2012, 17:58
...the Chinese Grand Prix grid seems to indicate that we are in line to have one cracker of a race...heck, there is even the possibilty, though remote, that Kobacrashi may win ( now wouldn't that force the world to spin off axis for a while )...and there are other delicious possibilities here ( especially if there is moisture in the mix...Alonso could pull off another miracle...)...great on Raikkonen...and Vettel is off lost in the weeds ( and has to do something real super to assuage his fragile ego... )...and speaking of ego, the battle between Hamilton and Schumacher may end up with very big thud and plenty of carbon bits flying about...

...so stock up on cold beverages...this may be a race for the ages...

Cheers

blutto
All so true.  Not a huge fan of Vettel, so am delighted to see him not getting it all his own way - he looked murderous after getting knocked out this morning.  Should be interesting to see how he copes driving out of the midfield...

Would love to see Rosberg win from pole, or Raikkonen (anyone bu Schumacher...)  Fervently hoping Button has some decent race pace (because his qualifying pace was utterly woeful) and can get near the podium.

As for cold beverages, it's on 8 in the morning here, so think I'll be nursing a nice big cup of coffee  :)

Nice qualifying by the flying Japanese driver Kobayashi!     
  I'd love to see what he could do in a Ferrari or any better car.

Arguably he (and Perez) are currently in a car that is better than the Ferrari  ;)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: benotti69 on April 14, 2012, 18:05
Will it rain? If it rains i might watch it. Otherwise it is too much of a procession for me. I appreciate the engineering that goes into F1, but the actual races tend to be more about the cars ability than the drivers.  But when it rains we really get to see some talent.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Capt_Cavman on April 14, 2012, 18:22
Will it rain? If it rains i might watch it. Otherwise it is too much of a procession for me. I appreciate the engineering that goes into F1, but the actual races tend to be more about the cars ability than the drivers.  But when it rains we really get to see some talent.
The Mercedes being on the front should make it worth watching. The theory is that this controversial air intake operated by the DRS switch makes a massive difference for qualifying but very little for the race. If so, there should be a fair amount of reshuffling.

Of course, the theory may be garbage. Only one way to find out.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 14, 2012, 18:56
...apparently that intake thingee is a big advantage on high speed straights...which we will have in this race...but the Mercedes also chews up tires which will hurt in the curvy bits...

...so a bit of ying + a bit of yang = one potentially great race...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: sublimit on April 14, 2012, 19:01
Ferrari seem to be struggling yes,   Massa is dead wood but Alonso is wringing the neck of the thing and leading the championship but clearly the car will improve through the next races coming up. 

Perez has a great chance of getting a drive there depending if Alonso is happy with that.   I'd go with Kobayashi from a racing point of view myself.


Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 14, 2012, 19:13
If it stays dry throughout the race, I think the Ferrari will be exposed, no matter how brilliantly Alonso drives.  As said by Blutto, Mercedes have yet to show anything in races, because their tires disintegrate, so although they lock out the front row, and will no doubt make a lightening fast start tomorrow, I don't think either will win.

If it rains of course, whole different ball game  :)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 14, 2012, 19:41
If it stays dry throughout the race, I think the Ferrari will be exposed, no matter how brilliantly Alonso drives.  As said by Blutto, Mercedes have yet to show anything in races, because their tires disintegrate, so although they lock out the front row, and will no doubt make a lightening fast start tomorrow, I don't think either will win.

If it rains of course, whole different ball game  :)

...yes...and  there will undoubtedly offerings made to the rain gods by certain folks tonight...and if Alonso survives to do well it gives Ferrari a chance to save their season ( their issue is aerodynamics which is potentially fixable...at least that is what Alonso has said)...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: benotti69 on April 14, 2012, 20:08
Ok i'll stick it on and hope for for a race  :)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 15, 2012, 09:38
I'm really not a fan of Vettel but to go from 11th on the grid, have a shocker of a start to drop to 14th, and then finish 3rd/4th/5th is a very impressive drive.  Button's 3rd pitstop cost him the chance of victory  :(
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on April 15, 2012, 09:45
Fifth only for Vettel.

Top race by Rosberg and Mercedes, and only 2 stops, bar the Schumacher pit-flop.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 15, 2012, 13:37
...very nice race...happy to see Schumacher leave early ( not a fan at all )...good on Rosberg to finally get his act together on race day...which will really not sit well in Schumacher's craw....too bad for Kobacrashi but he has a very fast car so maybe next time...and too bad Kimi ran out of tire toward the end...

...a bit of race course history for next year...

The 5.451km circuit is built on a former swamp and is supported by a buoyant polystyrene 'sandwich' which includes over 40,000 concrete piles, some of which go 80m deep into the soft earth. The track was also built at such a fast pace - it was completed in around 18 months - that it is vulnerable to subsistence, hence the bumpy nature.


Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on April 15, 2012, 17:43
Cheers blutto, interesting that.

Bahrain next, not a perfect place in any sense of the word at the moment.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 15, 2012, 20:34
Cheers blutto, interesting that.

Bahrain next, not a perfect place in any sense of the word at the moment.

...yeah its about as perfect as a Baghdad Grand Prix ( if it had been staged 15 or so years ago)...gawd is this next race a black eye for F1....

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on April 16, 2012, 00:23
I'll admit something at this point.
Regardless of whatever else happens in the season or how they interact with other drivers in the standings, I am quietly rather happy with the way that Webber has been shading Vettel so far this season.  All those years of driving dogs have prepared him well for an 'off' Red Bull
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 16, 2012, 04:31
...the other way to look at it is that Webber is in a car again that suits his style ...its not unlike the situation at McLaren where Hamilton and Button have different driving styles and require different car dynamics to get maximum advantage...

...in China Vettel went for an older exhaust system that helped the car become more comfortable for him...it ended up being a bit slower but it was his kind of handling package...

...but point taken...good on Webber to roll with the punches and just do his job and be good pro ( yet again....and yes, I do believe he was done in by his team's car development when he just missed out on the title...whether consciously or by serendipity, the team gave Vettel  a car that more suited him and not Webber )

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 19, 2012, 13:20
...this could get very messy...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767409 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767409)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767985 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17767985)

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on April 19, 2012, 19:52
They're bringing this mess upon themselves, next they should have a race in Syria and be adamant about driver safety. Great attitude at the FIA.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on April 20, 2012, 12:39
Force India opt to miss the second practice sesssion so that they can get back to their hotel safely in daylight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17785335 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17785335)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 20, 2012, 15:05
...Andrew Benson does some tech background articles for the BBC, here is one of his latest...real good read....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2012/04/how_webber_turned_tables_on_ve.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2012/04/how_webber_turned_tables_on_ve.html)

...be fore-warned he has lots of good stuff...reading this guy adds a lot of meat to the F1 story...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on April 20, 2012, 15:40
Good read, what should be interesting is whether there are differing degrees of downforce, there clearly has to be, but to what effect will be an issue. Will the drivers, in this case Vettel, choose a different setup for low downforce tracks like Monza and Spa to the ones he is now?

Gee, Gary Anderson would've answered a fair bit of these questions. Shame he left the commentary, the only half decent voice there was here.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Zam on April 20, 2012, 16:54
JUST IN:'Anonymous' hackers group just hacked and shut down http://F1.com (http://F1.com) as protest against the F1 GP in Bahrein
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: benotti69 on April 20, 2012, 19:10
JUST IN:'Anonymous' hackers group just hacked and shut down http://F1.com (http://F1.com) as protest against the F1 GP in Bahrein

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 20, 2012, 22:47
 ....ok...ok...this has become so obvious even FoxSports has picked up the story....though to honest they may be covering this in a weird attempt just to make those fancy-dan Europeans look bad( because there is no way on earth they have a clue about the real issues...in which case they would have buried this story immediately or more likely just ignored it)..yeah I know that sounds stupid but it is a recurring theme in the US especially among consevative lunk-heads....

...that being said, here is a link that shows a poster for the Bahrain Grand Prix most folks are unlikely to see...

 http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/gallery/Formula-One-Bahrain-Grand-Prix-protests-042012#photo-title=Making%20a%20statement%20&photo=30924439 (http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/gallery/Formula-One-Bahrain-Grand-Prix-protests-042012#photo-title=Making%20a%20statement%20&photo=30924439)

...and here is a shot of a commemorative t-shirt that tells the story of the race for many in Bahrain...these people seem to be really excited about this race...seems to auger well for future of the sport does it not?....

http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/gallery/Formula-One-Bahrain-Grand-Prix-protests-042012#photo-title=Committed%20to%20the%20cause%20&photo=30924438 (http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/gallery/Formula-One-Bahrain-Grand-Prix-protests-042012#photo-title=Committed%20to%20the%20cause%20&photo=30924438)

....btw they should twin this race with the Grand Prix of Fallujah....which would celebrate Western efforts to bring humanitarian aid to the Middle East...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on April 24, 2012, 04:36
...some interesting post Bahrain tech discussion...the bit about the Schuey Ferrari advantage is especially interesting...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17816565 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17816565)

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on May 13, 2012, 18:25
Slept through the whole race, but kudos to Maldonado for that win. First since the Montoyan era? Wowzers, it's been a dry spell for Williams.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on June 24, 2012, 09:48
Just caught on qualifying from yesterday... Vettel, wow.  On a different level!  Also liked the interview with Button afterwards - along the lines of 'are you hopeful that you'll be able to move up during the race?' Answer - 'no. It's Valencia. It's boring and impossible to overtake here.'  BBC interviewer rapidly covers tracks
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on June 24, 2012, 11:57
Aye, I don't like these new street circuits. Valencia and Singapore have got to be the two of the worst races of the season. Valencia being the worst, followed by Bahrain.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on June 24, 2012, 15:06
Scratch that, it was mental. Brilliant race, and top winner. Maldonado, top racer, but lacks a bit of sense.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on June 24, 2012, 15:10
 ;D The racing gods decided to rip up the form book completely.  After a shocker of a weekend, Webber went from 17th to 4th - superb effort.  Also, that has got to be the highest number of retirements/dnf's for a very long time.  Alonso was practically in tears at the end on the radio, clearly meant a great deal, chapeau.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on June 25, 2012, 15:01
Yep.  Epic race if you consider what we were all expecting to watch.  After seeing that first round the outside move I thought wow - that wont be beaten for a while.  Then that exact move was pulled what 5 times?

Meanwhile, how did Senna get punished for the Kobayashi tuff up?  Seriously?  He is passed and is fully on the racing line (where there is no space on the right) and is minding his business and because Kamui poked a wheel into an impossible gap he gets a drive through?   hmm
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on June 25, 2012, 16:25
...except for the distraction of the unfortunate bad smell that came off the Bahrain race this has been an unbelievable year for F1...Montreal is usually boring...not this year!...ditto Valencia...but again not this year!!!...

...was hoping for more from Kimi and Weber toward the end but alas it was not to be....

...can hardly wait till Silverstone...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on July 07, 2012, 04:19
Maria de Villota, Marussia test driver and Atletico Madrid driver in the Superleague formula, is now out of a critical condition according to doctors, but is still in serious condition. She has lost her right eye in a freak accident where the car suddenly accelerated into a support lorry.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on July 07, 2012, 05:09
Yes. She had just done an installation lap on the straight and was crawling to the pit area at under 40kph when the car suddenly left forward through the pit crew and hit the rear tray of the truck.  Much of the impact was direct to her helmet and she suffered a fractured skull.  Unfortunately the efforts to save her eye failed in the higher priority of saving her life.

No statement yet on what caused the surge.  Speculation (the idiotic kind) is all over the internet in last few days.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on July 07, 2012, 09:20
Yeah, what caused the spurt is the weird thing. Mind, don't they have to keep it in gear when the vehicle is rolled back to the pits? If so, that could be a plausible explanation of things.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on July 07, 2012, 10:41
Could be anything.  And for any of them there is generally a human caused option to go with a mechanical/software one.

For example:
If the pit limiter was used and accidentally switched off with the trottle down?
Using the same system and it having a failure?
KERS?
Or what if she had a seisure that caused her leg to force the throtle down?  (VERY unlikely but still just as possible as a lot of garbage I have seen written)

I can come up with at least 15 other possibilities and the odds are that they are all wrong.

What I do know at this point is that the accidenta didn't happen due to the "Fact" that" women are not physically capable of driving an F1 car".
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Zam on July 07, 2012, 10:49
The average finishing position of Jenson Button at silverstone is 10th
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on July 07, 2012, 17:30
Nice drive by Alonso, and Schumacher having a bit of a resurrection in recent times. Shame for Button, seems like one of the few nice guys nowadays. A stretch considering his Williams brattishness. Thought Lotus were disappointing considering their season.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on July 08, 2012, 06:00
And for once, I hope it rains in Blighty.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on July 09, 2012, 02:55
Best season I can remember, this. Top effort by Webber, and I just don't see any reason why Ferrari should be on the podium so often, speaks volumes about Alonso's ability.

Maldonado is an idiot, he's an entertainer, but an idiot.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on July 09, 2012, 05:20
...so then, what do we file Kobacrash'si performance under?...

...apart from that bit of silliness, was another pretty great race...Webber did the job....and Alonso again drove out of his mind....heck, even Massa showed up to play...too bad about the way the season is working out for Button...he really needs a situation that produces a car/set-up that suits his style and I don't think he is going to get it at McLaren....

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on July 09, 2012, 18:29
In a way it's so bloody funny to see Hamilton bumbling along like a clueless idiot, but it's just a right shame that Button's his team mate. Funny how a seemingly nice guy ends up as a team mate for a bleeding twit. Button, Massa, Webber, at least Button's as good as his team mate, if not better. I'll consider Hamilton a proper great driver when he drags an average car to the podium on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on July 10, 2012, 11:20
Maldonado is an idiot, he's an entertainer, but an idiot.

Interesting in his interview after the crash that Perez laid into him in a big way, pretty much calling him irresponsible and a liability who all the other drivers dislike (on track at least) 
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on July 11, 2012, 05:39
Incidentally, my face was one of the thousands that crossed the line first on Mark's car.

Nice feeling to help the cause and take the win as well.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on July 11, 2012, 15:13
Nice one Marty.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Zam on July 13, 2012, 21:15
Amazing Reactions by Dino Zamparelli in a Racing Car!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDQatnFUA3E#ws)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on July 13, 2012, 23:15
That's mentally good driving.  Eau Rouge in the soaking wet, and then to swerve and then keep it out the wall...unreal.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on July 16, 2012, 21:40
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18857338 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18857338)

Interesting here by Hamilton

I was actually at lunch with the head of the Mclaren F1 organisations or something, he doesnt get involved in the mechanics or anything but he did reveal quite a few interesting things about the team as he apparently goes out quite regularly with the drivers.
He was hardly impressed by Ron Dennis's personality and likewise with Lewis Hamilton who he derided as too much of a playboy type, yet he hugely respected Jenson Button.

Also on Button's recent struggles he attributed it to the car just not suiting Jenson they are apparently attempting to configure it anew to suit though, otherwise apart from a few minor comments and his outlook on the whole is it the car or the drive that was it for F1 though he had quite a lot to say about the new Mclaren Venge ridden by Cav which he was involved in amongst other things
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on September 13, 2012, 15:36
And with the two lowest downforce races out of the way, McLaren will shift back to the old rear wing and I'd expect Red Bull to be back up front again. With their wonky gearing and not very effective DRS, they really had no chance in Monza.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on September 23, 2012, 15:41
...just brilliant work from Schumacher today ( brain cramp?...old age creeping in?...or just bad luck?...)..worst case scenario his ride next year may be a walker...combine that with more car trouble for Hamilton and it may be the combination that could land Hamitrouble in a Mercedes seat next year...

....other than the car troubles borrrrring....

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on September 23, 2012, 16:11
Thought there might've been something mechanical too. There's a lot of strain on the brakes, obviously, the gearbox, twice as many shifts as in Monza, and even the hydraulics (in particular) due to the extreme bumpiness of the circuit. Jammed gears, failed brakes and  all seem plausible. Then again, it could easily be driver error too. Just thinking what would've happened if Verne did that to Schumacher. At least Schumacher apologised, so he's better than Sato.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on September 23, 2012, 16:25
Thought there might've been something mechanical too. There's a lot of strain on the brakes, obviously, the gearbox, twice as many shifts as in Monza, and even the hydraulics (in particular) due to the extreme bumpiness of the circuit. Jammed gears, failed brakes and  all seem plausible. Then again, it could easily be driver error too. Just thinking what would've happened if Verne did that to Schumacher. At least Schumacher apologised, so he's better than Sato.

....would love to give the benefit of a doubt as the same thing happened last year( and twice this year )...so yeah maybe a car issue that becomes apparent on that circuit...but on the other hand Rosberg didn't have the same troubles....

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on September 23, 2012, 16:33
Yeah, Rosberg didn't and this is where I'd love for F1 to be a bit like V8 supercars and maybe make public some more sensitive data.

Looking at the way the 2 Mercedes have had such contrasting performances over the same races, it really wouldn't be a surprise if their suspension stiffness, tyre pressures and even the gear speeds were substantially different.

Though all this is likely to be a load of balls.

On the race itself, what a drive by Massa, and Senna nearly put him into the walls.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on September 23, 2012, 17:32
Very unlucky for Hamilton today, and would have been a cracking race between him and Vettel.  Have to say, if he does jump ship and go to Mercedes, I think he'll be making a very bad move.  McLaren have won 2 out of the last 4, had pole in all 4, and barring mechanical failures, would have had 2 on the podium at both Monza and today in Singapore.  Mercedes, in contrast, have been nowhere.  Does he really think they can give him a title winning car?   
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on September 23, 2012, 17:35
5 million quid pay cut. Would anyone accept that?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Anthony Moan on September 23, 2012, 22:49
Prost was racing today or I missed something again?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on September 24, 2012, 09:32
5 million quid pay cut. Would anyone accept that?

I think with F1 heading towards a budget cap, and Hamilton's last contract having been negotiated before the global economy went south, he may not have a choice. Merc almost certainly won't be able to offer much more in terms of hard cash.

The advantage they do have, though, is the wider appeal of their brand. Hamilton would make much more from additional endorsements, etc. than he would with McLaren. And if that is the reason he moves, he doesn't deserve a title-winning car!

Didn't watch much of the Singapore GP - the WCs were much, much more interesting!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on September 24, 2012, 09:47
Prost was racing today or I missed something again?

The Professor finished 3rd yesterday
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Anthony Moan on September 24, 2012, 12:50
The Professor finished 3rd yesterday
Thanks ;D!
And Sir Brabham?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on September 24, 2012, 13:07
I think with F1 heading towards a budget cap, and Hamilton's last contract having been negotiated before the global economy went south, he may not have a choice. Merc almost certainly won't be able to offer much more in terms of hard cash.

The advantage they do have, though, is the wider appeal of their brand. Hamilton would make much more from additional endorsements, etc. than he would with McLaren. And if that is the reason he moves, he doesn't deserve a title-winning car!

Didn't watch much of the Singapore GP - the WCs were much, much more interesting!
Nah, Singapore was very good.

Mercedes could easily sh*t on most offers. The budget caps will not happen till all of F1 and FOTA get behind it (aye, Ferrari are backing it now). When does that happen? Surely, not in the next season.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Martin318is on September 24, 2012, 13:08

On the race itself, what a drive by Massa, and Senna nearly put him into the walls.

You mean that Senna on the normal racing line in a section with only one line was nearly hit by Massa who was squirreling out of control after having nearly all 4 wheels off the circuit?  That bit?   ;)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on September 24, 2012, 13:09
Yeah that bit, just a natural aversion to all Brazilian kin of World Champions. Him and that Piquet.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on September 24, 2012, 13:19
Senna at least has shown some of his own talent. Piquet junior has managed only to succeed when running in his own team, and then deliberately crashed into a wall :fp.

Rosberg has done well on his own, although not up to his father's standards. Also juniors Hill and Villeneuve have a pretty healthy palmeres ;)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on September 24, 2012, 14:35
Dunno, was Keke so great? Won only 5 races and in a more than decent Williams. He's one who'd have made it even without the surname for mine. And 1998 is said to be the year that aerodynamics went to the next level in F1 with Newey, Mclaren and Hakkinen, who'll have his birthday in four days. That's another thing to consider.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on September 24, 2012, 15:07
the 1982 Williams wasn't that great, the turbocharged cars already had an advantage I think. But of course, Rosberg profited from Pironi crashing a couple of races before the end of the season.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on September 28, 2012, 08:05
So it's all done, Hamilton to Mercedes (slightly surprised), Perez to replace him at McLaren.  So presumably, Massa is also staying put at Ferrari

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19755236 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19755236)

I like this bit:
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sources close to the 27-year-old insist he has switched teams with a view to long-term performance...But Mercedes have sold the move to Hamilton on the basis that they are preparing for a huge push in 2014, when new chassis and engine rules are introduced

Cue the toys rapidly leaving the Hamilton pram if/when this does not materialise   :)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on September 28, 2012, 09:54
So it's all done, Hamilton to Mercedes (slightly surprised), Perez to replace him at McLaren.

I'm more than slightly surprised. He is leaving a team with a car capable of winning the title for a team without a car capable of winning at all (or even finishing most races...), on the basis that they will make a car capable of winning in a couple of years. But Hamilton wants to win now. And given their reputation and staff, I'd argue that McLaren might well do better under the new engine regs anyway.

Perez would be a great fit for McLaren - he is young, supremely talented and already more mature/disciplined on the track than, say, Maldonado or Grosjean. Plus, one assumes he will bring his Mexican sponsorship with him, which is an added bonus for my local boys from Woking (Woo! Surrey!  :win :win :win) and supremely damaging for Sauber. Losing that money will certainly rule out any move there from Schumi, however unlikely that would be for any number of other reasons.

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So presumably, Massa is also staying put at Ferrari

Not guaranteed by any means... There are a couple of Ferrari academy drivers out there who would be in with a shout of his seat. Di Resta, for example. Massa never got back to his previous best after his accident a couple of years back.

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Cue the toys rapidly leaving the Hamilton pram if/when this does not materialise   :)

Definitely a when, I think. And no way McLaren will take him back!

Incidentally, the Daily Telegraph story contains possibly my favourite line of all time:

Quote from: Tom Cary, Daily Telegraph
The announcement is almost certain to end the career of the most successful driver in Formula One, seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher, whose return three years ago to the sport he once bestrode like a colossus palpably failed to live up to expectations.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Capt_Cavman on September 28, 2012, 10:01
My reading of it is that McLaren made Hamilton's decision for him. Being a complete cock when releasing telemetry data on twitter was probably the last straw and McLaren stopped waiting to see what Hamilton would do and brought in the best young talent available instead.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on September 28, 2012, 10:15
My reading of it is that McLaren made Hamilton's decision for him. Being a complete cock when releasing telemetry data on twitter was probably the last straw and McLaren stopped waiting to see what Hamilton would do and brought in the best young talent available instead.

I do love that they have announced Hamilton's replacement before Mercedes have officially confirmed his signing. A great "up-yours" disguised behind a polite smile.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on September 28, 2012, 10:26
Lot depends on McLaren's plans to go their own way on the engine front. Their contract with Mercedes ends in 2012 AFAIK and there are new regulations on engines next year. Whether it's a given that McLaren will be successful is questionable if so.

Hamilton wanted the cash, Mclaren wanted to rid him, and both be happy.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on September 28, 2012, 11:02
Lot depends on McLaren's plans to go their own way on the engine front. Their contract with Mercedes ends in 2012 AFAIK and there are new regulations on engines next year.

You're partly right. This season is the last in which Merc are providing McL with engines for free. As of next year - where the engine regs will be the same - McL have to pay for the engines as a customer team, in the same way as Force India currently do.

The new engine regs - for 1.6L Turbo V6 engines - comes into force in 2014. So far, there's no word on who will be making these. I know the FIA were hoping that other car manufacturers might be tempted to join F1 if the engines required will be closer to their road cars - Volkswagen was a name I remember mentioned.

We can safely assume that Merc, Renault and Ferrari will make new-style engines, but we may find someone new coming in. Williams are working on a hybrid engine with Jaguar at the moment, I believe, so anything can happen on that front. With the engineering talent and experience on hand at Woking, I can't see McLaren suddenly falling to the back of the grid when the regs change in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on September 28, 2012, 11:54
:censoreds can't even implement change :fp
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on October 07, 2012, 04:46
Bathurst 1000> Japanese GP any day

Only shame is that Whincup's looking good for victory. Carn Van Gis.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on October 07, 2012, 09:17
Crapulent race in Japan, and Vettel will win another title. All while having a treat for Bathurst.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on October 11, 2012, 13:15
Di Vilota's skull post accident
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on October 11, 2012, 13:22
F*** me...
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on October 11, 2012, 17:01
Seem to remember reading that her right eye is blind, but she's well enough to hold a press conference. So that's good.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on October 15, 2012, 08:36
Vettel to Ferrari in 2014.  Bit surprised tbh... Alonso is Ferrari's top dog and the team is built around him.  He even vetoed them trying to sign Hamilton (for obvious reasons) earlier this year apparently, but I can't see Vettel being a willing number 2 at all, especially as he will go there having won more Championships that the Spaniard (probably...).  Either way, means Ferrari will need to get their act together and produce a car worthy of their driver line up.  Will be interested to see who gets linked to Red Bull - who at the moment claim that they have Vettel until the end of  2014.  Webber must be near retirement soon I would have thought, so they could potentially end up with two new/relatively inexperienced drivers in one go...not ideal for them.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on October 15, 2012, 10:58
2014 is the year everything changes, engine-wise. Webber might well retire at the end of next year rather than carry on under the new regs.

Meanwhile, I would have thought Renault stood a better chance of a title-winning engine than Ferrari. 1.6L is a little below what the boys at Maranello are used to crafting!

For what it's worth, Horner and Mateschitz are both denying it (quelle surprise, etc.). If Vettel is still challenging for the title this time next year (potentially on the verge of his 4th successive title, something only 1 person has done before), I can't see him moving.

But stranger things have happened in the crazy world of F1.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on October 15, 2012, 11:26
as I read the BBC is the source for this, is it Eddie Jordan again who brought this to the public?!

From Vettel's point of view I think it's a good move, he has been with Red Bull long enough and has won everything - taking another challange is the right step at that point of the career + winning a championship with Ferrari is something special, of way more worth than winning it at Red Bull, even if would be the 5th consecutive titel. With the engine situation I also think it's not a bad move to join a factory-team.

Regarding Alonso, I don't think he is a driver who avoids competition. The situation is different now than it was an McLaren, he is way more mature - sure he'd prefere Massa to stay but I think he will like to face Vettel.

For Red Bull it's a bit different, they might struggle to find equivalent replacements. Their young drivers were not exactly as promising as expected, maybe Ricciardo will mature driving another year for Toro Rosso but I doubt he is fast enough. Maybe, depending on the progress at Mercedes and his relation to Hamilton, Rosberg might be an option. Maybe also Kimi, I think he always had some kind of relationship to Red Bull.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on October 15, 2012, 14:00
Romain Grosjean to Red Bull. You heard it here first.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on October 15, 2012, 14:14
Romain Grosjean to Red Bull. You heard it here first.

If only to increase his chance of being thrown out of a space balloon...
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on October 15, 2012, 14:30
And he'd fly at supersonic speeds. 8 time World Champion
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: sublimit on October 15, 2012, 14:32
as I read the BBC is the source for this, is it Eddie Jordan again who brought this to the public?!


For Red Bull it's a bit different, they might struggle to find equivalent replacements. Their young drivers were not exactly as promising as expected, maybe Ricciardo will mature driving another year for Toro Rosso but I doubt he is fast enough. Maybe, depending on the progress at Mercedes and his relation to Hamilton, Rosberg might be an option. Maybe also Kimi, I think he always had some kind of relationship to Red Bull.

Glock perhaps also.   I reckon Webber will stay as a safe option for a while yet IMO.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on October 15, 2012, 14:36
And he'd fly at supersonic speeds. 8 time World Champion

He's more likely just to crash, though, don't you think?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on October 15, 2012, 14:57
Phurt, the negative crap.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on October 15, 2012, 15:01
For Red Bull it's a bit different, they might struggle to find equivalent replacements. Their young drivers were not exactly as promising as expected, maybe Ricciardo will mature driving another year for Toro Rosso but I doubt he is fast enough. Maybe, depending on the progress at Mercedes and his relation to Hamilton, Rosberg might be an option. Maybe also Kimi, I think he always had some kind of relationship to Red Bull.

What's the exact relationship between Red Bull and Toro Rosso?  Does Red Bull have much, if any say, in what goes on at the junior team?  I know that it's designed to be an F1 testing ground for drivers who then graduate into the senior team, but how does that work if you have 2 new drivers every year?  Neither Buemi or Algesuari did that badly last year, yet both got the boot (but are rumoured to be coming back next season).  Is there an 'obligation' that Red Bull take on/get first refusal on a Toro Rosso driver, or is it that since Vettel, quite simply none of them have been particularly good?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on October 15, 2012, 15:10
As I understand it, Red Bull (the team run by Horner and Newey in Milton Keynes) have no say in what happens at Toro Rosso (who are based, I believe, in Italy). The drivers at TR are, however, part of the Red Bull development programme. There are other drivers on the programme, and being on it does not - as far as I know - guarantee you a race seat at either team. The senior Red Bull team doesn't have an obligation to take on a driver from TR to fill a vacancy, but given that the parent company has invested heavily in both, you have to assume that is where the next RB driver will come from.

As an aside, and for context - Sergio Perez is part of the Ferrari driver academy. I don't know whether this helped him get a seat at Sauber (who are Ferrari engine customers - I suspect the sponsorship from Mexico was a bigger factor), but when looking at their 2013 options, Ferrari decided that Perez wasn't experienced enough. They then allowed him to sign for one of their major rivals. This may turn out to be a mistake  ;D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on October 15, 2012, 15:45
allegedly they tested both Perez and Bianchi last year in direct comparison and Perez was too slow - that's why they've chosen Bianchi over Perez es Ferrari test driver. Also Kobayashi never really featured in the lower series so it will be interesting to see if Perez will be able to prove himself versus Button.

regarding Toro Rosso, both, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso are owned by Dietrich Mateschitz and - eventhough he officially is just the "motorsport consultant" - managed by Dr. Helmut Marko. So he has the force to make personal decisions in both teams. And as he is the former holder of the "Red Bull Junior Team" most (all?) drivers at Toro Rosso come from this development program.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on October 15, 2012, 16:09
As an aside, and for context - Sergio Perez is part of the Ferrari driver academy. I don't know whether this helped him get a seat at Sauber (who are Ferrari engine customers - I suspect the sponsorship from Mexico was a bigger factor)

indeed, yes, the sponsorship money from Mexico did have an influence. With Carlos Slim being confirmed to keep sponsoring Sauber in 2013 (eventhough Perez will leave) I also think it's very likely that Esteban Gutierrez will take his seat. With Hülkenberg being rumoured to take the second seat (and therefor Kobayashi being sacked) it's also possible Gutierrez will take his place for the last races this season.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on October 15, 2012, 16:25
Interesting - I'd heard that Perez was taking his sponsorship with him to McLaren. If not, then Gutierrez is almost certain to take the seat.

I'd heard Hulk for Sauber as well, which seems like a bit of a sideways move. Certainly not the jump up in performance a driver of Nico's talent deserves. Perhaps he's jumping ship because of the dodgy dealings of his current boss  ;D

Edit - link (http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/10/problems-mounting-up-for-force-india-boss-vijay-mallya/) if you hadn't seen anything about Mr. Mallya's current problems. Not dodgy, per se, but not good news for the boys and girls back at the factory.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on October 15, 2012, 16:52
yep, that may be a reason, I think pacewise it won't make much difference

Telmex to stay at Sauber was reported by Autosport (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103073) a while ago
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on October 28, 2012, 10:48
So normally, I'd be all excited about watching the GP this afternoon, but I just don't see anyone other than Vettel winning, en route to his third straight championship.  And I don't really like Vettel, so this irritates me  :(   

On the plus side, I think the India circuit looks great  :tu
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on October 28, 2012, 11:02
On the very positive side, flip Ferrari, :censoreds
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on October 28, 2012, 11:19
best thing about that race is that it's over already
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on October 28, 2012, 12:21
And the worst would have to be Ferrari making a sh*t political statement and lying about it.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Zam on October 31, 2012, 16:22
The greatest.
Top Gear on Ayrton Senna (Full Segment) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oLSYSJO5Ik#ws)
Title: Grand Prix: Abu Dhabi
Post by: kabloemski on November 02, 2012, 17:59
Any F1 fans out there? #F1 quali at 11:50 SA time tomorrow - Abu Dhabi here we come #AbuDhabiBaby #GoGoJenson #ILoveMcLaren
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 10:57
I just found this - didn't realise you guys had F1 section - awesome #AbuDhabiBaby
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 10:57
The greatest.
Top Gear on Ayrton Senna (Full Segment) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oLSYSJO5Ik#ws)

Awesome, Zam.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 18:52
Abu Dhabi drama - Vettel ran out of petrol last lap of Quali 3 - been penalized - starts at back of grid - this has truly been quite a year in Formula 1 - the plot thickens once again.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 03, 2012, 18:56
If it's anything like the V8s, it should be a snoozefest. Two races with barely an overtaking. Seriously crap track, and what idiots Red Bull are.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 19:00
Oh yeah, the Supercars is on too, saw a tweet this morning. Yeah, heard about the tracks being lame, think it's all the same German architect?
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 19:01
and what idiots Red Bull are.

Yeah - they have no need to take chances like that - in a good position in the champs race, 4th on grid would've sufficed - risky bizniz.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 19:05
Seriously crap track

Hermann Tilke. Of course, a lot of people say it's for safety reasons.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 19:09
Wiki: "Tilke's track designs have been the subject of criticism. A 2009 profile in The Guardian noted that Tilke "has been accused of penning boring tracks and, even worse, of butchering legendary ones like Hockenheim."[1] Former driver and team owner Sir Jackie Stewart was critical of Tilke in a 2011 piece in The Daily Telegraph, blaming his designs for the lack of overtaking and excitement at many Formula One races, saying they "are largely carbon copies of each other". Stewart, while praising the vast improvement the designs have brought to the sport's safety as well as "bringing fantastic amenities and luxuries to the sport", argued that the tracks have "gone too far the other way" in terms of safety. His primary complaint was that the large tarmac run-off areas fail to "penalise mistakes"; he cited the 2010 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, where Mark Webber was unable to pass Fernando Alonso, despite the latter running wide on four occasions, because the track's run-off areas did not impede him. Stewart suggested that the run-offs be made of a substance that slowed the cars down and thus punished drivers' mistakes. Webber echoed Stewart's views, stating that he was "spot on"."
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 03, 2012, 19:11
It's under floodlights though, it has to be perfect even if it's dog's balls. At least that's what our commentators say
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 19:17
The tyre situation has done a lot to improve the comp, if/when that goes stale and people lose interest due to boring tracks and Formula 1 loses $ I guess they'd have to do something to change the track, money talks. Time will tell I guess.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 19:48
Vettel starts at back of grid

That's even worse than back-of-grid...

“@SkySportsF1: Christian Horner: 'Sebastian will start from the pit lane for tomorrow’s race'”

So that's what disqualified from quali means - completely off the grid.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 03, 2012, 20:13
2nd try... I've gone & confoozed myself completely - to clarify - disqualification from quali leads to back-of-grid penalty - Red Bull's Chris Horner is choosing to start in pit lane so that they can work on/check Seb's car...

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/vettel-disqualified-sent-to-back-of-grid-20121104-28rq2.html

"Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel will start Sunday's Abu Dhabi Grand Prix from the back of the grid after he was disqualified from qualifying for a fuel irregularity, the governing body FIA said.

The Formula One championship leader, who had qualified in third place on Saturday night, did not have enough fuel in his car for a sample to be taken.
The decision means Ferrari's Fernando Alonso, his closest rival in the title race, will move up one place to sixth.

McLaren's Lewis Hamilton is on pole position for the race with Red Bull's Mark Webber second.
Vettel has a 13-point lead over Alonso in the championship after winning the past four races"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 12:54
Ok, it's AbuDhabiTime - let's hope it's not all snore&bore - sometimes the drivers surprise us.. #McLaren
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 12:57
And although Ferrari have been total & utter douchebags, I do like Fernando, and although Button's my man, I think Alonso's possibly the best driver of them all, and wouldn't mind him winning this year - he's earned it.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:07
Agreed, hard to look past Alonso when talking about talent as a driver solely..
He constantly has outperformed his team mates and that is enough for me to mark him out as being a cut above the rest.

So would like him to win as would show it is not all about the car, as opposed to Vettel ::)

Obviously going for Hamilton today, but he just seems to always be a bit too erratic..

Vettel up to 20th,

And Hamilton about to be passed by Raikkonen :fp
And Alonso passes Webber..
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 04, 2012, 13:09
Webber needs a new spark plug considering his starts.

Ferrari are still :censoreds.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:16
Webber needs a new spark plug considering his starts.

Ferrari are still :censoreds.

Yeah, Webber - one almost expects him to f%#k out.. Yeah, Ferrari *spits*
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:20
Rosberg, Karthikeyan out..
Safety car out..

Agreed, Webber is always very underwhelming..
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:20
is not all about the car

Hmm, now why does that sound vaguely familiar... :-D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:21
Hmm, now why does that sound vaguely familiar... :-D
T'was very deliberate I assure you  :)
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:22
Rosberg, Karthikeyan out..
Safety car out..

Agreed, Webber is always very underwhelming..

Good news for Vettel... DAMMIT!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:22
T'was very deliberate I assure you  :)

High five!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:30
Vettel front wing not having the best of days..
and Sebastien is not going in, pretty risky, yet he has little to lose..
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:31
Ok scrap that.. :fp
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 04, 2012, 13:33
Over two disciplines of motorsport through the weekend on this tracck, there have been zero laps of excitement except Vettel's misfortunes.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Archieboy on November 04, 2012, 13:33
Vettel smacked it avoiding a Toro Roso
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:35
Over two disciplines of motorsport through the weekend on this tracck, there have been zero laps of excitement except Vettel's misfortunes.
That is why I try to avoid the sport when I can.... it just gets so monotonous however hard the commentators attempt to invent drama.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:36
Hamilton deffo fastest.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:36
Webber on Alo's ass.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:39
Over two disciplines of motorsport through the weekend on this tracck, there have been zero laps of excitement except Vettel's misfortunes.

Quite a few fights going on for positions at the mo, though.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:39
Not too unexciting at the mo IMO.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:40
Oh no - thunder in Durban - satellite just lost signal - NOOOOO!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 04, 2012, 13:42
Quite a few fights going on for positions at the mo, though.
Aye, but that's a bit like saying entering a full stadium will be a bit of a rush. Safety car induced, imo.

That is why I try to avoid the sport when I can.... it just gets so monotonous however hard the commentators attempt to invent drama.
V8s are normally good and used to be better in the pre 2 manufacturer era. Nissan and Mercedes' arrival will hopefully change that. This track though is utterly hopeless for racing.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:42
Just tuned in :).

Go Kimi! :woohoo
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:44
Aye, but that's a bit like saying entering a full stadium will be a bit of a rush. Safety car induced, imo.
V8s are normally good and used to be better in the pre 2 manufacturer era. Nissan and Mercedes' arrival will hopefully change that. This track though is utterly hopeless for racing.

Are you watching?
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:44
Hamilton OUT!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:44
Can't believe it!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:44
HAMILTON NO POWER!!! :o
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:44
And Hamilton has gone..  :-X

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:44
Kimi in the lead :woohoo!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:45
Probably good news for Fernando... Very disappointed #ILoveMcLaren
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:45
Vettel now 12th..
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:45
ALONSO!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:46
Well done, Alo - and I've no love for Maldonado whatsoever.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:46
Good for Kimi..

But somehow you could just predict that, seems to be how it is for Lewis..

And Alonso second, this getting better and better for him..

Off to watch CX/Football/Maths for now, Hamilton malfunction has put me off..  :(
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:47
Everybody going to pass Maldonado :fp
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:48
Luckily satellite back. Kimi's so cool :-) #FinnsAreFunny
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:49
Oh Webber...
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:49
Webber pushed out by Maldonado.. O_O
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:50
Webber rejoins... but .. :police: :fp

Maldonado needs to get off the track  :P
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:50
Webber was past Maldonado.. real wonder that there is no damage to webbers car
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:51
Webber pushed out by Maldonado.. O_O

When Pastor qualifies high on grid I make sure to tweet him every time - the tune of 'Dear @PastorMaldo no crashes please #SafetyFirst'

Button! Up in 3rd! Vettel coming up...
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:52
Stewards investigating the 'crash'. Plus adbreak, quick toilet break!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 04, 2012, 13:52
Not Maldonado's error that. Neither's error, for me.

Street circuitesque, this. Not demanding at all on aerodynamic efficiency,
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:53
Stewards investigating the 'crash'. Plus adbreak, quick toilet break!

Not too boring after all hey :-D
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:54
Not Maldonado's error that. Neither's error, for me.

Missed it! Too busy posting :-P Vettel 8th.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:55
Oh Massa.. :fp :fp :fp
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:55
WTF! Webber!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 13:55
Massa... Webber...

It is all going haywire..

Though only benefiting Vettel tbh..
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:56
So webber has had two blows to the left side, once on back wheel once on front wheel.. hope for him his suspensions havent taken blows.. :fp
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:56
Oh my goodness - Mass or Webber? Massa did go wide...
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:56
Webber providing the stewards some work for their money :D
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:56
Though only benefiting Vettel tbh..

I know! Sucks!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 04, 2012, 13:56
Breaking news- Hamilton posts his telemetry strop
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:57
Breaking news- Hamilton posts his telemetry strop

:-D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:57
And... Vettel is in the virtual lead again.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 13:58
If they end in these positions Vettel still 1 ahead of Alo on points.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:58
No further action against Webber & Maldonado.. ok.. ???
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 13:59
And no action against Massa or Webber either.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 04, 2012, 13:59
No further action against Webber & Maldonado.. ok.. ???
Good decision. Can't police that, or we'd not really have racing.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:00
And no action against Massa or Webber either.

Yeah, the latter wasn't clear cut to me, missed the Maldo move, so no idea.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:00
Perez overtoook Maldonado. Webber soon too.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:01
I havent followed Formula 1 actively last few years, only really since Kimi is back.. but is Maldonado the new Jarno Trulli? The Trulli-Train, nobody able to overtake him  eventhough theyre much faster than him so the people in front of Maldonado take a huge gap?
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:02
Perez overtoook Maldonado. Webber soon too.

Early days but I like Perez - happy he's going to McLaren.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:03
I havent followed Formula 1 actively last few years, only really since Kimi is back.. but is Maldonado the new Jarno Trulli? The Trulli-Train, nobody able to overtake him  eventhough theyre much faster than him so the people in front of Maldonado take a huge gap?

Maldo caused a few crashes past year - cowboy - not a fan.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:04
Love that wheel camera angle. Would love to see Button on podium #GoGoJenson
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:05
Vettel 2nd again, but he hasnt gone into the pit yet, right?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 04, 2012, 14:06
Will Vettel make it to the end with these tyres.. or will he not?

That is the question..
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:06
Vettel in 2nd place - my gosh - Red Bull sure is something else. Button goes fastest.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:16
Perez!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:17
Shucks!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:17
Safety again!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:18
Holy moly. Hmm, early days re Perez indeed - investigation?
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:19
Webber.... Eish.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:22
There goes kimis lead :fp
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:25
Yeah, my goodness. I love Kimi - "yes yes yes" to his team when they talk to him #Chutzpah
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:28
Perez 10 sec penalty.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:39
Vettel ON Button.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:42
"@McLarenFamilyF1: I am bit worried about Perez driving style #MclarenFamily"

Last couple of races Perez been a bit dodge, I'm not too alarmed yet.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:43
Alright, had a nice convo with my parents and uncles & aunts, now back to F1 ;D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:43
OOOOOOOOOOHHH VETTEL!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:44
Darn! Button! :-(
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:45
Alright, had a nice convo with my parents and uncles & aunts, now back to F1 ;D

Ha ha - it kinda slowed down a bit anyways so all good :-)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:45
Alonso closing in scarily close to Kimi..

Cmon Kimi!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:46
Nervewrecking.. go Kimi! :woohoo
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:47
Raikkonen the next winner in a Lotus car since Senna in 1987 should he win!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:48
Nervewrecking.. go Kimi! :woohoo

Yeah - I'm gonna need a nap after this.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:49
RAIKKONEN!!!!! :woohoo

#TheIcemanIsBack!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:49
Kimi :-D
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:50
RAIKKONEN!!!!! :woohoo

#TheIcemanIsBack!

High five #TheIcemanIsBack
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:51
Cheers, Havetts, was fun :-) #AbuDhabiBaby
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 04, 2012, 14:51
Well played Kimi. Awesome drive by him and Vettel.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:52
Well played Kimi. Awesome drive by him and Vettel.

Yeah, was cool, huh!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 04, 2012, 14:53
If Vettel wouldve started 3rd or 4th.. man he wouldve won this easily! But some more tension for the WC now :)
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:54
Raikkonen the next winner in a Lotus car since Senna in 1987 should he win!

Very very cool :-) #Senna #Legend
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 14:55
If Vettel wouldve started 3rd or 4th.. man he wouldve won this easily! But some more tension for the WC now :)

Zegactly! Fun F1 times! Catch you soon :-)
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 19:06
V8s are normally good and used to be better in the pre 2 manufacturer era. Nissan and Mercedes' arrival will hopefully change that.

Pre 2 manufacturer era? Only 2 diff car manufacturers in V8? I know very little about it, is it really very cool to follow?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: krabkakes on November 04, 2012, 19:35
way cool
http://www.redbull.no/cs/Satellite/no_NO/360-F1/001243262600173 (http://www.redbull.no/cs/Satellite/no_NO/360-F1/001243262600173)
It seems Red Bull is at it again, providing us with entertainment that gets the adrenaline going, simultaneously exciting us and making us feel we might lose our lunch. This time it is with an interactive 360-degree camera mounted to the top of one of their Formula One Red Bull racecars.

Cameras in racecars are nothing new these days, but generally you'll only get a few views — depending on how the team covering the race decides to direct the action. Red Bull Racing has partnered with Making View to attach one of their 360-degree ViewCams on the top of their cars and the key difference with this cam is you can control the camera view.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 19:41
way cool
http://www.redbull.no/cs/Satellite/no_NO/360-F1/001243262600173 (http://www.redbull.no/cs/Satellite/no_NO/360-F1/001243262600173)
It seems Red Bull is at it again Red Bull Racing 360-degree ViewCams

Sounds cool! No flash player on phone though :-( will have to check it out on the laptop once I'm home again
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: killswitch on November 04, 2012, 19:58
Bit late but... Kimi  :win  8)
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 20:20
Bit late but... Kimi  :win  8)

:-) #TheIcemanIsBack
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 20:37
"Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone said he's not worried about Bahrain once again hosting a Formula One race despite ongoing clashes between security forces and anti-government protesters...The Bahrain Grand Prix was held in April without violence at the race, although it was a public relations disaster for F1. Sectarian violence rocked the streets of Manama, causing death and injury during the race weekend. It created a disturbing background for the race, which was won by Sebastian Vettel."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jJkmIIESEabJiIpOkd8CTESMymzQ?docId=57f7dc12550447a8a606084ad8303f59

I have subsequently read quite a few articles on Bahrain, particularly this regarding medics who had given protestors and human rights activists medical treatment after riots, and were then arrested, and now sentenced:

"Amnesty International issued a statement condemning the arrests. "Today's imprisonment once again marks the lack of any real commitment from Bahrain's government to be held accountable and deliver true justice for victims of human rights violations,” said Ann Harrison, the group's Middle East and North Africa deputy programme director."

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=23809

And this "The teenager sustained severe injuries and was left to bleed to death in police custody," the Shia opposition party al-Wefaq claimed in a statement"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/bahrain/9576269/Bahrain-police-shoot-17-year-old-protester-dead-in-new-wave-of-Shia-unrest.html

It's heavy stuff and personally I think they should not go to Bahrain.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 04, 2012, 20:44
Re the medics being arrested for giving medical treatment to protestors:

"On the frontline, treating hundreds of these wounded civilians, doctors had first-hand knowledge of government atrocities. As a result of their efforts to provide unbiased care for wounded protestors, the government initiated systematic and targeted attacks against medical personnel. This assault on healthcare workers and their patients constitutes extreme violations of the principle of medical neutrality and are grave breaches of international law."

http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/issues/persecution-of-health-workers/bahrain/

Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 05, 2012, 06:30
"@nhishamm: Caterham group and Caterham F1 team major announcement is expected today. It's either Caterham Group tie-up with Renault Sport and/or Caterham F1  driver line up for 2013. All these France connection can only be mean one thing; France driver is on his way to join Caterham F1 Team. If caterham F1 team fail to secure 12th place at any last 2 races; they will lose $20 million prize money, that is huge sum for small team. Tony Fernandes seem desperate; If Caterham F1 fail to take back 10th place in constructor standings from Marrusia F1 team..He might lose $20million and also he will let go Heikki Kovalainen and get another driver than can bring huge sum of sponsorship money. This is when Charles Pic, currently with Marrusia F1 team is said to join Caterham F1 with all these france connection stuff going on."
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 06, 2012, 11:35
"@DaveMorecambe: Jackie Stewart: F1 and Austin ‘a very, very good fit’ | http://t.co/orGlGLwe http://t.co/yEn0zcy5"

"Stewart told the American-Statesman last week that he’s never been to Austin but is looking forward to seeing the race, the circuit and the city. 'We’re coming to a part of America and particularly a city in America that’s great for young people because of the university and the high technology that exists there. I think it’s a very, very good fit.' Stewart, who was made an honorary Texan by Gov. Bill Clements on Nov. 15, 1982, acknowledged that there will be some growing pains for the Circuit of the Americas in this first year."

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 06, 2012, 14:58
....interesting article that kinda makes Hamilton's comments about Vettel being lucky on Sunday sound a bit less like sour grapes....and if you push this scenario to its logical conclusion starting on pit row after anything other than a stellar qualifying performance, like being out of a points position, may actually be the smart move...

...so that move would get you much more speed and as an added bonus tire wear is greatly reduced...two major factors in moving thru the field especially when you have a DRS option available on virtually every lap on top of the extra speed...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20210164 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20210164)
 
Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 06, 2012, 15:08
....interesting article that kinda makes Hamilton's comments about Vettel being lucky on Sunday sound a bit less like sour grapes....and if you push this scenario to its logical conclusion starting on pit row after anything other than a stellar qualifying performance, like being out of a points position, may actually be the smart move...

...for instance that move would get you much more speed and tire wear is greatly reduced...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20210164 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20210164)
 
Cheers

blutto
Their car is perfect for a race like India where there is a long high speed corner and their superior downforce on such corners allowed them to carry a 10 or 15 kmph advantage over the rest.

For a near street circuit like this, think they miscalculated by not going for straight line initially.

And their KERs are also dodgy.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 06, 2012, 15:16
Their car is perfect for a race like India where there is a long high speed corner and their superior downforce on such corners allowed them to carry a 10 or 15 kmph advantage over the rest.

For a near street circuit like this, think they miscalculated by not going for straight line initially.

And their KERs are also dodgy.

...yeah but then factor in the tire management issues and the big speed advantage plus the DRS option which is a part of every circuit....KERS wouldn't really have to play that big a role...

...and btw I was refering to the possibility of any and all teams using this strategy....so the cars with good KERS systems and those other advantages would have a real huge advantage...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 06, 2012, 15:21
Yeah, that last bit was just a musing. It did seem that they got it wrong in qualifying.

As Hamilton said though, it all fell in place for Vettel. Maybe if teams got a sh*tty 20th or so in qualifying, they could go for the pit lane option and change settings as Red Bull did. Still will be rare for mine.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 07, 2012, 10:44
"HRT denies Ma Qing Hua rumours  HRT has denied reports in the Chinese media that Ma Qing Hua has been chosen as one of its drivers for the 2013 season."

http://en.espnf1.com/hrtf1/motorsport/story/94286.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 07, 2012, 10:48
"Tony Fernandes confirms Caterham exit

Tony Fernandes: "We are definitely better at business than finding tenths of seconds around a lap" Tony Fernandes has confirmed he is to step down as team principal of Caterham.

The Malaysian, who is also chairman of Premier League football side Queens Park Rangers, feels he has taken the team as far as he can and that the time is right for some fresh input.

"On the racing side we have come to the conclusion that it is better if someone else takes over the team principal role to move forward," Fernandes told Autocar. "We are definitely better at business than finding tenths of seconds around a lap. It was right for us to lead the team initially and set a template of how it should be. That vision is now set and the team is ready to move forward to the midfield."

http://en.espnf1.com/caterham/motorsport/story/94278.html
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 07, 2012, 14:57
As Hamilton said though, it all fell in place for Vettel. Maybe if teams got a sh*tty 20th or so in qualifying, they could go for the pit lane option and change settings as Red Bull did. Still will be rare for mine.

yeah, in general the advantage is not big enough. I think the essence of the article is more likey Red Bull's availability of using that different approach regarding setting up the car in future again (on tracks which don't favor the characterics of the car exactly).

Austin looks like a good track but I think it will favor the Red Bull again, if Alonso wants to win the championship he needs to rely on rain and chaos in Interlagos.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 07, 2012, 15:24
yeah, in general the advantage is not big enough. I think the essence of the article is more likey Red Bull's availability of using that different approach regarding setting up the car in future again (on tracks which don't favor the characterics of the car exactly).

Austin looks like a good track but I think it will favor the Red Bull again, if Alonso wants to win the championship he needs to rely on rain and chaos in Interlagos.
Aye, we had Gary Anderson as analyst here for a couple of years as commentator here. Good voice to have around for the technical side of things. I know that he was technical director at Stewart and its successor Jaguar. Needs an opinion coaxed out of him more often than not.

Agree about Austin, there's a sweeping corner in the final sector and the S's early in the lap.

Also, turns 16,15 and 14 look a bit like the corner after Pinherinho in reverse.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 07, 2012, 15:36
Aye, we had Gary Anderson as analyst here for a couple of years as commentator here. Good voice to have around for the technical side of things. I know that he was technical director at Stewart and its successor Jaguar. Needs an opinion coaxed out of him more often than not.

he is working for the BBC now (since beginning of the season I think) and is a huge enrichment to their team. Before he joined Stewart he was at Jordan for several years, btw.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 07, 2012, 15:41
Before he joined Stewart he was at Jordan for several years, btw.
Of course :fp completely forgot that.

I'm happy not seeing the beeb coverage, would just make me more peeed at how crap ESPN Star's coverage is. Terrible
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 07, 2012, 15:45
while we are talking about these old fellas...I don't know how popular it is, maybe everyone knows it already, but I always enjoy watching The Flying Lap on Smibs TV (http://smibs.tv/the-flying-lap) with Peter Windsor. It's every wednesday live from 2pm EST (in other words today's show airs in ~3:15 hours). Information content may vary with his selection of guests, but in general it's quite interesting mostly.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 07, 2012, 15:52
I've only heaerd of it, never watched it. See Karun Chandok's name as one of the guests there. Chandok was surprisingly good with his F1 history. Helps to have a dad being head of Indian motorsports.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 07, 2012, 16:05
yep, he's on there occasionally, he is also doing the live commentary for the practice sessions in the BBC at times.

They put all the shows of The Flying Lap on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/SmibsTV) by the way.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 07, 2012, 16:09
yep, he's on there occasionally, he is also doing the live commentary for the practice sessions in the BBC at times.

They put all the shows of The Flying Lap on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/SmibsTV) by the way.
Cheers, will see the next one.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 07, 2012, 17:12
"@FakeTomita: McLaren boss admits team does not know how good Perez really is http://t.co/GBM9R7N1 #f1 #news"

"McLaren have admitted that they do not know exactly how good their new signing, Sergio Perez really is, as  the 22-year-old Mexican has failed to score a point in the four races since he was announced in September as successor to departing 2008 champion Lewis Hamilton.

Before the announcement, Perez had chalked up three podium finishes with Sauber.

“I think he’s got a lot of talent but if I’m honest, I don’t know,” McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh told reporters when asked about his new signing’s potential at the weekend’s Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. “We wouldn’t have signed him unless we thought that he could go to another level, but we don’t [really] know.”

Perez..is the same age as Hamilton was when he joined McLaren in 2007 for what was to turn out to be a sensational debut season.

The Mexican has been at Sauber for two years and was seen initially as a ‘pay driver’- someone who owes his seat as much to the financial backing he brings as his talent. That notion changed this season, with Perez earning considerable praise for the way in which he has managed the tyres and fought for podium placings..“There’s been examples of drivers who have got a lot of talent and they can live with that pressure and deliver and others that can’t,” said Whitmarsh of the challenge ahead. I think it would be foolish of me to sit here and say, taking a very young driver, there’s not an element of risk in it. But we wouldn’t have done it unless we felt there was a possibility. Time will tell.”"
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 07, 2012, 22:01
Bit late on the uptake here, but can someone explain to me why Vettel started from the pit lane rather than the back of the grid (team's decision/FIA decision/the rules allow this?) and why his car was not in parc ferme after qualification, and consequently, why the mechanics could completely alter his car set up?  As this Gary Anderson article says, his car went from second to last in the speed trap in qualifying to 4th in the race.  That to me, doesn't seem quite right that that is allowed, just because his team made a mistake with his fuel in qualifying...
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 07, 2012, 22:03
can someone explain to me why Vettel started from the pit lane rather than the back of the grid (team's decision/FIA decision/the rules allow this?)

Was team's decision - don't know about the rest.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 07, 2012, 22:08
/the rules allow this?

"It meant the German was relegated from third on the grid all the way back to 24th and last, although Red Bull later announced that he would instead start from the pit lane, which he is within his rights to do."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/9653647/Abu-Dhabi-Grand-Prix-2012-Sebastian-Vettel-to-start-from-the-pit-lane-after-being-excluded-from-qualifying.html
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 07, 2012, 22:35
Here's more.. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20193545

I can't find which rule states that they can get out of 'parc ferme' under these circumstances - seems the stewards accepted 'force majeur' for failing to make his way back to pit on his own steam, but then disqualified him because he had less than the required 1l fuel left.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 07, 2012, 22:38
Bit late on the uptake here, but can someone explain to me why Vettel started from the pit lane rather than the back of the grid (team's decision/FIA decision/the rules allow this?) and why his car was not in parc ferme after qualification, and consequently, why the mechanics could completely alter his car set up?  As this Gary Anderson article says, his car went from second to last in the speed trap in qualifying to 4th in the race.  That to me, doesn't seem quite right that that is allowed, just because his team made a mistake with his fuel in qualifying...

the rules say that you need to start from pitlane if you break parc fermé regulations. So originally he was set back to the back of the grid and Red Bull swapped the gearbox and changed the gearing and so on and therefor he had to start from pitlane.

You can have a look at the official documents on the website of the FIA:

Abu Dhabi Grand Prix / Document #41 (http://184.106.145.74/fia-f1/f1-2012/f1-2012-18/Formula%201%20Abu%20Dhabi%20Grand%20Prix%202012%20DocumentNumber-41.pdf)

Abu Dhabi Grand Prix / Document #46 (http://184.106.145.74/fia-f1/f1-2012/f1-2012-18/Formula%201%20Abu%20Dhabi%20Grand%20Prix%202012%20DocumentNumber-46.pdf)

Abu Dhabi Grand Prix / Document #47 (http://184.106.145.74/fia-f1/f1-2012/f1-2012-18/Formula%201%20Abu%20Dhabi%20Grand%20Prix%202012%20DocumentNumber-47.pdf)
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 07, 2012, 22:41
the rules say that you need to start from pitlane if you break parc fermé regulations.

So you can choose to break parc ferme whenever you want to as long as you take your pit lane penalty?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 07, 2012, 22:50
So you can choose to break parc ferme whenever you want to as long as you take your pit lane penalty?

yep, it says so in the sporting regulations (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/3C9E78D2AAE9B15DC1257617002CF08F/$FILE/Stable%20Sporting%20Regulations%20-%2024%20July%20-%20CLEAN.pdf)

Quote
34) POST QUALIFYING PARC FERMÉ

34.1 Each car will be deemed to be in parc fermé from the time at which it leaves the pit lane for the first time during qualifying practice until the start of the race.

[...]

34.5 If a competitor modifies any part on the car or makes changes to the set up of the suspension whilst the car is being held under parc fermé conditions the relevant driver must start the race from the pit lane and follow the procedures laid out in Article 38.2.

[...]

38.2

[...]

Any car which is still in the pit lane can start from the end of the pit lane provided it got there under its own power. [..] All such cars may then join the race once the whole field has passed the end of the pit lane for the first time after the start.

so in theory everyone could just change his car and start from pitlane, but it's a huge disadvantage of course. Vettel did a good race on sunday coming from pitlane but we may not forget that he benefited massively (approx ~40 seconds + having the better tyres in the end) from the two safety cars.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 07, 2012, 22:55
yep, it says so in the regulations

we may not forget that he benefited massively (approx ~40 seconds + having the better tyres in the end) from the two safety cars.

Ah, thanks a mil for that. And yes he did. I really enjoyed the race :-) nerve-wracking
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 07:57
I've always been a huge fan of Jenson's donuts... Love this clip, watched it like 5 times in a row!

http://t.co/xR533G8q

And it just HIT ME - I'm planning a trip to Europe next week in May - Barcelona & Monaco - that's IT - I'm going to see my FIRST GRAND PRIX! Barcelona would be awesome, but Monaco's a no brainer. Currently the plan is to stay 3 weeks in total, and they are 2 weeks apart on the schedule, not sure how much the tickets are, but if price is not too much of a factor - does Monaco have cheaper/free zones?? - might just see them both... I can't begin to tell you guys how f*cking excited I am right now.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 08, 2012, 08:09
Boys and their toys  ;D

That sounds awesome Kabloemski!  Monaco would be amazing to watch and the  atmosphere would be unreal.  No idea how ticketing for it works, but hope you do make it!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 08:16
That sounds awesome Kabloemski!

I'm just about doing back flips around the house right now :-D Monaco is my 1st choice for sure. I'll keep you posted re how I get on.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 08, 2012, 08:56
Monaco is no bargain for sure...tickets for race day start at ~350 EUR (http://www.formula1-grand-prix.com/redirticket.php?idgp=15&lang=en) + everything else will be extremeley expensive as well, especially if you need to take hotel and so on.

there are tickets for 75 EUR as well but the reports (http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g187234-i138-k3795935-2011_Monaco_Grand_Prix_Tickets-Nice_French_Riviera_Cote_d_Azur_Provence.html) do not sound exactly promising:

Quote
the cheap option is the general entry that allows you to pick your own spot on the Rock and cling to it if you can. Believe me it is not worth the candle and you are competing with thousands who will be there from 5am for the best vantage points. You will already have an unpleasant crush situation on the trains from Nice to Monaco that day. [...] I suggst there is no alternative to one of the grandstands. You would be far better watching the race on TV.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 09:07
Monaco is no bargain for sure..especially if you need to take hotel and so on.

there are tickets for 75 EUR as well but do not sound exactly promising:

Thanks search :-) I will deffo not stay in Monaco, will be day tripping. I'll be staying with various mates around Europe, which is why I can afford it in the 1st place. Reckon it would be worth saving for - and I can always cut something else off the itinerary to budget for that - worth it, right?
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 14:46
"@BBCSport: F1 drivers warned over bad language after Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen swore on air following Abu Dhabi GP http://t.co/SQvlPlOo”
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 14:55
Anybody know what they said? It did seem that DC was not too impressed when Seb poured bubbles over his head on stage :-)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 08, 2012, 14:58
Gave me sh*t and we didn't flip it up.

Bring back Freddie Trueman.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 08, 2012, 15:11
lol, reminds me of the BBC labelling the F1 Forum with a strong language warning in the iplayer for Hülkenberg saying "sh*t"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 15:59
lol, reminds me of the BBC labelling the F1 Forum with a strong language warning in the iplayer for Hülkenberg saying "sh*t"

I love that Vettel also cursing - his stock is rising :-D
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 08, 2012, 18:48
I really really like F1, but this nice Dutch dude that I follow on Twitter just tweeted this.. "@Formula1etc: @jojokoek After the #BrazilianGP there are 3 months and 19 days to go untill Race 1 of 2013 (15-03-2013). ;-) #F1etc” Awesome.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 09, 2012, 00:12
Gave me sh*t and we didn't flip it up.

Bring back Freddie Trueman.

He he
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 09, 2012, 12:04
"@kabloemski: Love this :-) Jenson Button Feature with David Coulthard http://t.co/2SnwRUCm"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 09, 2012, 12:25
"@kabloemski: Michael schumacher gives david coulthard a ride at canada gp http://t.co/PrjPShgz"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 09, 2012, 12:47
Last one - I never supported Ferrari or Michael - Mika always was my fave #LoveTheFinns #ILoveMcLaren Mika's little giggle, classic http://t.co/XewGVrIx
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 09, 2012, 18:58
"@Formula1etc: Alcohol might just have saved Force India  http://t.co/ki75c5cG via @F1Times #F1etc”

http://thef1times.com/the-paddock/display/06952

"British multinational Diageo, the world's largest producer of spirits, has just purchased a controlling 53.4 per cent stake in Mallya's second, and profitable business, United Breweries - India's largest producer of beer."
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 10, 2012, 11:30
"Race2Recovery is a team of injured army veterans who following their motto “Beyond Injury, Achieving the ­Extraordinary” have put together a team of QT Wildcat racers with the goal of competing in next year’s Dakar rally in January." Jenson Button & McLaren have taken an interest:

http://www.race2recovery.com/

"@Race2Recovery: In August, Race2Recovery were honoured to be invited to the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking as part of their... http://t.co/6PXcrSUG"

Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 10, 2012, 18:48
“@Formula1_GP: Mark Webber takes a day off work - http://t.co/mf8TIS1t” Just classic
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 11, 2012, 12:37
"@andrewbensonf1: RT @Jamesallenonf1: Austin looks like a real Red Bull circuit http://t.co/WGhOqRMA"

"Sectors 1 and 3 look to especially favour Red Bull; Sector 1 is like the Magotts/Beckets sequence at Silverstone, while in the final sector the RB8 will devour the long triple apex Turn 17.

Apart from that corner, the rest of Sector 3 has similarities to Korea and parts of Abu Dhabi, where the McLaren was very fast in Lewis Hamilton’s hands, but the overall impression is that the race is Sebastian Vettel’s to lose, unless Ferrari have come up with a silver bullet in development terms...The one unknown is what the track surface will do to the tyres. It looks more abrasive than the recent races, but once again Pirelli has gone conservative with the Medium and Hard tyres from the range, so barring some major shock, it is likely that the race will feature a number of one stop strategies, with some teams trying two because the pit lane is quite short"
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 11, 2012, 16:27
We won 5-2 at home from Roda today, couldve been about 9-2 if only a quarter of the chances were goals :fp
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 11, 2012, 16:31
We won 5-2 at home from Roda today, couldve been about 9-2 if only a quarter of the chances were goals :fp
And did you win at Yas Marina?

Did Jos Verstappen score the goals?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 11, 2012, 16:56
Yes.. :fp Wrong thread, oh well. :)
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 11, 2012, 17:24
Yes.. :fp Wrong thread, oh well. :)

Phew another dumbass, at last I've got company ;-D
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 12, 2012, 00:33
"@redbullracing: 3 things of beauty. La Moneda, a ready to race RB7... Oh and @therealdcf1 just landed in Santiago! #redbullracingCL http://t.co/humsqrtA"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 12, 2012, 00:38
"@redbullracing: That will be over 50,000 happy Chileans. DC and the RB7 burnt some rubber in Santiago #redbullracingCL http://t.co/037YuWTc"

Action, and then a cool pose, looks great
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 12, 2012, 11:05
"Van der Garde plays down Caterham reports

Well-backed Dutchman Giedo van der Garde has played down reports that he is set to be imminently announced as a Caterham race driver for 2013.

Van der Garde, who this year contested the GP2 championship for Tony Fernandes’ team, has also been Caterham’s reserve driver in 2012 and has recently been driven the green CT01 in Friday morning practice sessions."

http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/11/12/van-der-garde-plays-down-caterham-reports/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Yallaf1com+%28YallaF1.com%29
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 12, 2012, 15:49
"@f1zone: Pirelli will give teams an extra set of hard tyres on Friday in order to help them learn the track #F1 #Cota"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 12, 2012, 16:00
"@Formula1etc: Raikkonen gifts 'leave me alone' t-shirts to Lotus staff  http://t.co/pEop1gFx via @motorsport #F1etc"

"Kimi Raikkonen has turned his newly-famous grand prix-winning catchphrase into a t-shirt for the entire staff of the Lotus team."

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/raikkonen-gifts-leave-me-alone-t-shirts-to-lotus-staff/

Love that Kimi!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 13, 2012, 01:33
... great on Kimi to do this :tu...

...maybe we should get a hold of Lotus and snag a whack of primo swag....I mean given the Kimi-love that exists here a group buy seems like a simply grand idea...btw I take a xl or xxl....

...thanks in advance... ;D

Cheers

blutto
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 13, 2012, 02:17
...btw I take a xl or xxl....

...thanks in advance... ;D

Cheers

blutto

Classic! I'm a firm believer in taking the cheeky approach, I'm mailing them - nothing to lose, right...
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 13, 2012, 04:44
...oooh...this is so exciting...Christmas may come early this year....yipeee....and good luck with that cheeky move....

Cheers

blutto
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 13, 2012, 05:48
...oooh...this is so exciting...Christmas may come early this year....yipeee....and good luck with that cheeky move....

Cheers

blutto

Check it, no cheek needed, just a bit of googling :-)

"If you didn’t already have enough reasons to like Kimi Raikkonen, here’s one more"

http://aclassblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/leave-me-alone-tee/

"This is just fantastic. The t-shirt is actually for sale here."

http://www.fistpumpshirts.com/shirts/kimi-i-know-what-i-m-doing-shirt-formula-one-driver-yells-at-his-team-commemorative-shirt.html

$29 ain't too bad - and in cotton - yay "The shirt is available in high quality cotton and the color scheme of the winning team" and all the way up to XXL :-)

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 13, 2012, 14:47
...wonderful news...though truth be known getting to the prize via the cheeky route would have yielded a much more better story...errr...adventure...akin to something that would be told late at night around VeloRooms campfires for generations to come.... ;D

Cheers

blutto
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 13, 2012, 15:44
...wonderful news...though truth be known getting to the prize via the cheeky route would have yielded a much more better story...errr...adventure...akin to something that would be told late at night around VeloRooms campfires for generations to come.... ;D

Cheers

blutto

Well, I did still e-mail Lotus... so if I get some kind of response it will get posted straight here ;-)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 13, 2012, 18:59
...be great to have that up here....truth be told have been a Lotus fan since the days of Jim Clark...so that is tres cool pour moi...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 14, 2012, 11:09
"@FakeTomita: Nurburgring unlikely to host grand prix in near future http://t.co/lXisPjd0 #f1 #news"

http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/11/14/nurburgring-unlikely-to-host-grand-prix-in-near-future/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Yallaf1com+%28YallaF1.com%29
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 14, 2012, 12:06
Jacques Villeneuve:

'Vettel reacts like a child'

"For me, it has confirmed what I think about Vettel," Villeneuve told Autosprint of the race in Abu Dhabi. "These are facts: while recovering from the back, he first got in contact with Senna who was ahead of him and damaged his front wing. Then he lost control of his car and crashed under the safety car. A very serious error that had light consequences. As for the rest, he has shown to be super quick, but he was lucky and I'm not changing my mind: Alonso deserves the 2012 title more."

When it comes to a head to head comparison between the two, Villeneuve is of the opinion that Alonso is superior mentally and emotionally, meaning that the Ferrari man is a better driver who is able to react effectively to different situations.

"I have no doubts: Fernando Alonso is the best, that's why I root for him," said the 1997 title winner."

"These behaviours indicate two different states of maturity but, let's be clear, Sebastian is an ace too; however, he struggles more in critical situations."

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/8247473/-Vettel-reacts-like-a-child-?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+jaf1%2Fplanetf1+%28PlanetF1+News%29
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 14, 2012, 18:14
...be great to have that up here....truth be told have been a Lotus fan since the days of Jim Clark...so that is tres cool pour moi...

Cheers

blutto

Guess what...

"Hi Karen

Thank you for your enquiry.

We have received a huge number of requests for the Kimi shirt and are exploring options currently - stay tuned for more news!

Kind Regards

Lotus F1 Team


-----Original Message-----
From: K B [mailto:kabloem@me.com]
Sent: 13 November 2012 05:30
To: Web Team
Subject: Kimi's 'Leave Me Alone' T-Shirt

Hi there - this is probably not the appropriate e-mail address for this.. but closest I could find. We are a bunch of big Kimi & Lotus fans and would love to buy one of those T-shirts! Who could we contact to see if they'd be keen?

Thank you

Best Regards

Karen

South Africa

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Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 15, 2012, 09:50
"Tilke predicts tough test for drivers

Controversial track designer Hermann Tilke has told Autosport the Circuit of the Americas could prove to be one of the biggest challenges of the season for drivers and teams. "I think there are some real difficult parts of this track," Tilke told the magazine. "I expect in first practice the drivers will make many mistakes, but they are so good they will learn it quickly because they are the best in the world.

"The track goes up and down, and there is also one corner which is banked the wrong way. For the drivers it will be hard, it will be difficult to set up the car and it will be tough to keep the tyres running correctly too. That could mean there are more problems with the tyres, which will be good for the race." The general view is that there are four clear overtaking zones on the circuit but until the cars have been out on track, Tilke preferred not to be drawn on what kind of spectacle will be produced.

"This year they had a lot of overtaking at Abu Dhabi, and there are opportunities to overtake here. In the end overtaking is only possible when a faster driver is behind a slower driver. If it is the opposite then overtaking is not possible.

"We have to see what the drivers will say about it. That first statement will be important, and hopefully it will be a positive one. But you never know how it works."

http://en.espnf1.com/usa/motorsport/story/94841.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 15, 2012, 10:35
"@SkySportsF1: McLaren team staying positive http://t.co/cXIe3GCv"

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12433/8249347/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 15, 2012, 22:45
...this may be preaching to the already converted but for those who missed this it is supremely slick...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20343490 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20343490)

Cheers

blutto
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 16, 2012, 13:26
Very cool :-D

"@clubforce: @NicoHulkenberg is the proud owner of the coolest @alpinestars boots on the planet  - inspired by The Hulk! Take a look http://t.co/E0pywACs"
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 16, 2012, 16:56
Ffs, Vettel goes from nowhere to 1.4 seconds quicker than anyone else by the end of FP1.  ONE POINT FOUR SECONDS!!!  The rest might as well pack up and go home now.  Or head to the beach and forget Brazil, because much as it pains me to say this, there is no way I don't see Vettel winning both the race and the title this weekend  >:(
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 16, 2012, 18:05
Eish, I missed all of it! And will probably miss all qualis too. Am in Johannesburg Sunday night, my friend will just have to handle the F1 :-D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 16, 2012, 18:59
Ffs, Vettel goes from nowhere to 1.4 seconds quicker than anyone else by the end of FP1.  ONE POINT FOUR SECONDS!!!  The rest might as well pack up and go home now.  Or head to the beach and forget Brazil, because much as it pains me to say this, there is no way I don't see Vettel winning both the race and the title this weekend  >:(

Pirelli offered another set of hard tyres today, Vettel was one of the few who made use of it in P1 already
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 17, 2012, 06:27
"@MagicZoetrope: @kabloemski  check out on board cams ->  http://t.co/7VMsAPZI"

http://stream.speedtv.com/mobile/idevice/mercedes
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 17, 2012, 10:01
"@f1fanatic_co_uk: Hamilton's had pole position six times this year, Vettel five, Alonso and Webber twice, Rosberg, Maldonado and Button once. #F1"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 18, 2012, 05:35
So who's amped for Austin? I'm watching it in Jozi tonight :-)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 18, 2012, 15:09
So who's amped for Austin? I'm watching it in Jozi tonight :-)

...moi!...moi!...moi!....

...and the dream scenario is that somehow Alonso manages to finish in front of Vettel ;D and Kimi wins over-all :win...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 18, 2012, 15:13
...moi!...moi!...moi!....

...and the dream scenario is that somehow Alonso manages to finish in front of Vettel ;D and Kimi wins over-all :win...

Cheers

blutto

:-D Blutto - I'm getting BLOTTO in Jozi :-D And yes - dream scenario right there! WOOOOOOP!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 18, 2012, 15:15
Alonso and Vettel out in the first lap with a mega crash in the first corner ( I dont know the Austin circuit, didnt watch QF ). Kimi to win and make the Brazil GP even more exciting ;D.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 18, 2012, 15:21
Rubbish, Saddam Hussein drops a nuclear bomb on the track and Narain Karthikeyan's the sole driver still in the race and wins.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 18, 2012, 15:48
Rubbish, Saddam Hussein drops a nuclear bomb on the track and Narain Karthikeyan's the sole driver still in the race and wins.

 ;D   

And hell might freeze over, you never know...

Head says Vettel  will win this comfortably and probably the title with it.  Heart says anyone but him, even Hamilton.  For that to happen, Vettel's got to duff his start somehow, and Lewis has to get in front before turn 1. 

Ideal scenario for me would be for Button to drive through the field to take the win, Alonso gets second to get good WC points, and Vettel crashes out.   But then as I said, hell might freeze over...   :police:
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 18, 2012, 15:56
Alonso and Vettel out in the first lap with a mega crash in the first corner ( I dont know the Austin circuit, didnt watch QF ). Kimi to win and make the Brazil GP even more exciting ;D.

WOOP :-D #ItsAllGoodYo
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 18, 2012, 15:58
Um, crashing's not cool, though.. I'm tipsy :-D #ThatIsAllOverAndOUT
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 18, 2012, 16:12
Rubbish, Saddam Hussein drops a nuclear bomb on the track and Narain Karthikeyan's the sole driver still in the race and wins.

...well...if one is to dream...dream big!...will be watching for that from the safety of my bunker...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 18, 2012, 16:19
One never knows, *cough* Michelin 2005 USGP
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 18, 2012, 16:19
;D   

And hell might freeze over, you never know...

Head says Vettel  will win this comfortably and probably the title with it.  Heart says anyone but him, even Hamilton.  For that to happen, Vettel's got to duff his start somehow, and Lewis has to get in front before turn 1. 

Ideal scenario for me would be for Button to drive through the field to take the win, Alonso gets second to get good WC points, and Vettel crashes out.   But then as I said, hell might freeze over...   :police:

...anyone but Hamilton( he is a much better story when he crashes...someone described his response to failure as akin to a petulant child throwing his toys out of his pram...that image for me pretty well describes that idiot savant)....I like the ideal option lots though...anytime Button wins(and beats the house favourite is deicious)

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 18, 2012, 16:22
One never knows, *cough* Michelin 2005 USGP

...moving into the bunker as we speak...thanks for the heads up ;D

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 18, 2012, 16:26
I'm already in it, have been all day, and yesterday. Though not too bothered by the nukes.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 18, 2012, 16:28
...anyone but Hamilton( he is a much better story when he crashes...someone described his response to failure as akin to a petulant child throwing his toys out of his pram...that image for me pretty well describes that idiot savant)....I like the ideal option lots though...

Cheers

blutto
Tis good, even an F1 car looks like a 300kmph pram.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 18, 2012, 16:57
Tis good, even an F1 car looks like a 300kmph pram.

..now doesn't that image just throw that whole circus into a weird perspective....the mind boggles at the humour possibities doesn't it...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Sauna in Duvel on November 18, 2012, 17:26
Do any of you read www.pitpass.com? (http://www.pitpass.com?)

Its quite a good new site in its own little way.

I did like this article from a few mins ago about Massa's gearbox change:  http://www.pitpass.com/47951-Massa-gets-a-grid-penalty (http://www.pitpass.com/47951-Massa-gets-a-grid-penalty)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 18, 2012, 17:34
Do any of you read www.pitpass.com? (http://www.pitpass.com?)

Its quite a good new site in its own little way.

I did like this article from a few mins ago about Massa's gearbox change:  http://www.pitpass.com/47951-Massa-gets-a-grid-penalty (http://www.pitpass.com/47951-Massa-gets-a-grid-penalty)

Aye, I actually do go there sometimes. Used to be a regular when a was an  F1 nutjob earlier.

Cheers for the link.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 18, 2012, 18:29
Ferrari getting all the measures out there to not give Vettel the WC already. Lets see how itll work out for them.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on November 18, 2012, 18:30
Dodgy cheating twits, they are. That's all.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 18, 2012, 18:33
Man I feel for Massa.  One of the few times he out-drives his team mate in qualifying all year and then this happens.  However, I can see where Ferrari are coming from, and they are within their rights to do it.  And as I intensely dislike Red Bull (well, Vettel mainly), thenn I hope it works out for them. 

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 18, 2012, 18:34
To be honest for me though probably a rather pointless move for Ferrari it was one they had to go for.. and at least it shows that the two riders are actually on a team together, you sometimes forget that otherwise in F1... they are called team mates, but the only proof of that is in the press and the cars they drive, not their actions on the road (not to say that Massa had any involvement in this whatsoever :P)

Post Merge: November 18, 2012, 18:35
And all I am hoping for right now is a classic grand prix. It can only be beneficial for the sport if it hits of in the states and of course it really would be very disappointing if Vettel leads all the way from start to finish as is currently seemingly very likely..
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 18, 2012, 18:36
I dislike Vettel too. I dont support Alonso, but I dont dislike him like I dislike Vettel.

Go Kimi :win

Post Merge: November 18, 2012, 18:37
I do fear a lead from start to end (barring pitstops) by Vettel. Lets hope it does not happen and it becomes an exciting race, but is it likely? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 18, 2012, 18:38
Also interesting analysis by BBC tech guy saying:

Quote
"Ferrari have a new diffuser design here in Austin, which only Fernando Alonso is using, and I suspect it may be to blame for his poor qualifying position. The diffuser is designed to work the airflow around the rear tyres more and it should produce more downforce, but it will also make the car more aerodynamically sensitive. It will be an improvement in the wind tunnel but I suspect it means that the problem I believe Ferrari have in the diffuser airflow not reattaching quickly enough when the DRS closes, causing rear instability on corner entry, will be worsened. However, that problem doesn't exist in the race and the extra downforce the new floor provides may mean Alonso is even more competitive on Sunday than normal."

Could be optimism more than anything, but then again it could make sense.
Also for some reason hoping Hamilton can do something tonight, don't know why I am still behind him after all he has done but it surely must be time he actually delivers? As the commentators said a couple of weeks ago, he currently does seem as if he is a lot of wasted potential.. former world champ or not.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 18, 2012, 18:41
I do not dislike Vettel, just sick of the way he dominates races. Much more refreshing to see someone like Maldonaldo or even Kimmi leading races than the same driver every single time..

Also Sergio Perez is increasingly looking a very poor signing by Mclaren who have already admitted they have no clue what to expect.. a bit of a snatch and grab maneuvre to me as he is barely outdoing Kobayashi atm..
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 18, 2012, 20:20
Btw we are here (invaded Paris tours ;D): http://velorooms.com/index.php?page=livechat2 (http://velorooms.com/index.php?page=livechat2)

Currently Hamilton leading, but Vettel is in second with Alonso still in with a shout.. just..
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 18, 2012, 20:31
GO GO FERNANDO :-D
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 18, 2012, 20:46
"@kabloemski: YES! CHAMPIONSHIP DECIDER IN #BRAZIL #GoGoFernando"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 18, 2012, 20:56
"@f1zone: In 7 days time we will have our 2012 world champion. Who will it be. What. A. Season #f1"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 19, 2012, 12:40
I cannot believe the F1 is going to be decided in the last race, how fantastic! Although I guess the signs have been there all year.. It's going to be epic, I cannot wait.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 19, 2012, 17:05
....looks like the rats...errr...gentlemen at Ferrari are up to their old tricks...though to be absolutely honest about it rules are after all rules and they do define the game...but there is this niggling spirit thang that seems to have been trampled on...

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20389331 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20389331)

Cheers

blutto

Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 19, 2012, 17:11
I love the fact that guys driving round a course is deemed a sport! What next Golf or Darts to earn the 'sport' tag?

...you forgot the ever popular full contact square dancing which is a blood sport in some parts...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: froome19 on November 19, 2012, 17:13
I love the fact that guys driving round a course is deemed a sport! What next Golf or Darts to earn the 'sport' tag?
I met a little kid who informed that WWE is apparently a sport  :fp
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 20, 2012, 09:24
I'm so excited :-)

"@Formula1etc: Pirelli preview of Brazil.  http://t.co/3NGrpuTS #F1etc"

"For the first time in its history, Pirelli will approach the final round of the Formula One season as sole tyre supplier with the championship yet to be decided, thanks to eight different winners from the season so far - seven of them coming in the first seven races.

Just like last year, the last race of the season will be held at the legendary Interlagos circuit in Sao Paulo, and Pirelli has nominated the P Zero Silver hard tyre and P Zero White medium tyre for the title decider.

Interlagos is one of the shortest but also one of the most technically challenging circuits on the calendar of the year, with a 4.309-kilometre lap characterized by fast corners, hairpin bends and dramatic elevation changes.

The different surface variations mean that generating optimal grip and downforce is vital, particularly as there are a number of camber changes as well. Turn 14 - the slowest corner of the track - is a good example of some of the technical challenges that Interlagos poses for the tyres: the drivers brake hard while heading uphill and then turning into the corner, before managing wheelspin carefully as they exit the turn.

Just to add to the demands of what is already an extremely complex and busy circuit, the weather at Interlagos is notoriously variable, meaning that the Cinturato Green intermediate and Cinturato Blue full wet tyres could be called into service.

The teams will also have two extra sets of next year's prototype tyres at their disposal for Friday's free practice sessions, in order to give them an idea of the characteristics of the 2013 tyres. The compounds and construction of the slick tyres will be different, so this will be a valuable opportunity for the drivers to prepare for next year. But with the title fight so closely balanced, many drivers will prefer to concentrate on Brazil: just one of the many crucial strategic decisions that they will have to make over the course of the weekend."

http://www.pitpass.com/47985-Brazilian-GP-Preview-Pirelli
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Anthony Moan on November 20, 2012, 10:25
WTF is that drs sh*t :D, I was watching race in US after decade, and found that sh*t very interesting...
WTF is that, sh*t :P
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 20, 2012, 11:06
WTF is that, sh*t :P

Hold your horses, Wiki to the rescue!

"Drag Reduction System"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_reduction_system
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 20, 2012, 11:10
WTF is that drs sh*t :D

And not to be confused with this...

"Umpire Decision Review System"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpire_Decision_Review_System
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Ram on November 20, 2012, 13:35
WTF is that drs sh*t :D, I was watching race in US after decade, and found that sh*t very interesting...
WTF is that, sh*t :P
Dude, finally.

I'll just say this, everything is sh*t. Just combine the sh*t and it's art. That's what they told me
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: killswitch on November 20, 2012, 20:11
Classic Kubica  O0

Kubica Rally di Como. Mknący Pocisk ;) 16.11.2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imD6_ppMjk#ws)
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 20, 2012, 21:58
Classic Kubica  O0

Awesome.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 22, 2012, 04:23
"@gordsreid: 3 days, 11, hours, 39 minutes counting until #F1 hits Interlagos for the seasons finale and the decisive Grand Prix"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 22, 2012, 06:48
"@Formula1_GP: "I would be happiest if I could say goodbye with a strong race and I am sure we will do all we can to make it happen.” - Schumacher"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 22, 2012, 08:59
"@Sentletse: Bahrain has sentenced 23 doctors to 3 months in jail for treating injured protesters during the 2011 uprising. Friends the US keeps!"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 22, 2012, 18:58
"@Formula1etc: Button wants Alonso to win title http://t.co/EKFl2O5U #F1etc"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20452607
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 24, 2012, 08:59
"@Formula1etc: Hamilton cries during interview for last McLaren race http://t.co/E0oenKSf via @f1zone #F1etc"
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 24, 2012, 15:27
"@Formula1etc: Hamilton cries during interview for last McLaren race http://t.co/E0oenKSf (http://t.co/E0oenKSf) via @f1zone #F1etc"

....it may be much worse next year for the petulant little boy....and that crying could well be a season long shrieking whine...

...and speaking of real tragedy Kimi done blowed up his engine in qualifying...but the good news is Lotus has an engine "ready and waiting" ( there was a comment in the story about Lotus calling it a GP winning engine...now whether that is hyperbole or they do have something really special will be known pretty soon...lets all hope the latter is true and Kimi makes the pole later this morning :tu..and then takes the race tomorrow :win....)

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 24, 2012, 15:54
...and in related news...

http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1-bernie-ecclestone-targeted-in-bribery-probe-112312 (http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1-bernie-ecclestone-targeted-in-bribery-probe-112312)

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 24, 2012, 19:10
So Hamilton pole, Vettel 4th and Alonso 8th. Vettel, bar dnf, has got this in the bag.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 24, 2012, 19:22
Maldonado+10 penalty, so Alonso up to 7th & propably with wet setup - gonna be fun if the rain is going to come
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 25, 2012, 12:38
"@f1fanatic_co_uk: RT @Adorimedia: Great to hear @xevipujolar here in the Williams suite. His info says its going to be a dry race #raindance #F1"
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 25, 2012, 13:05
I just pray for a 2003 Interlagos scenario. Not a dry boring race (Without Fisichella Kimi will win again ;D)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 25, 2012, 16:12
....oh my gawd...what a race start...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: blutto on November 25, 2012, 16:31
....ahhh...there is great joy in India....Hulkenberg leads...what a mad race!...

Cheers

blutto
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 25, 2012, 17:01
It's CRAY :-D
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 25, 2012, 19:10
"@SkySportsF1: Here's the Vettel overtaking under yellow flags controversy for those who missed it. http://t.co/WtxATons #skyf1"

http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/12870/8282348
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 26, 2012, 15:26
So was it exciting?

Thank funk it's all finished until next year. Is it 20 races in a season? If so can't they just do them every third day.

Yeah exciting as funk, lovelovelove it - if all goes according to plan I'll be tweeting & forumming live from Monaco end of May 2013!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 26, 2012, 19:21
Classic Kubica  O0

Kubica Rally di Como. Mknący Pocisk ;) 16.11.2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imD6_ppMjk#ws)

Holy cr*p that's fast!  Hope he gets back into F1 sooner rather than later.

As for Brazil, very happy Button won, less happy that Vettel won the title.  I still haven't  quite managed to work out he went from so far back on the first lap to being in the top 10 only a couple of laps later.  For me, the most poignant part of the whole thing was the close up of Alonso, still in his helmet, just after he had got out of his car.  The camera focussed just on his eyes and the bitter disappointment and hurt in them was really striking.  He deserves better from his team, and I hope that Ferrari really pull their finger out this winter and produce something properly competitive.  The same can be said of McLaren - their reliability this year has been atrocious.  With the addition of Perez, Button becomes the undisputed team number 1, so I hope that they will build the car for next year around his driving style - whereas in the past he's had to compete with Lewis orientated set up, and also, Perez has (I think) a similar, go easy on the tyres driving style.  So hopefully McLaren can also take the fight to Red Bull properly next year... 

And at some point, Vettel's luck has to give... Doesn't it?
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 26, 2012, 20:29
"@vicmaharaj: Would be great if Heikki goes to Lotus.. “@OskariSaari: Long story short: Heikki talking to Lotus. Still: GRO most likely option.”
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 26, 2012, 20:32
Dancing, we all saw that look - I wanted to climb into the TV to give him the biggest hug ever. One could also see the moment he mentally moved on - and that makes him so strong. Yeah, he deserves better. I'm a Button & McLaren girl, and JB deserves better too, but Alo was the best this year.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Havetts on November 26, 2012, 23:36
Kimi Räikkönen EPIC Team Radio Abu Dhabi 2012 = Just leave me alone! I Know what to do!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wr2C7Niak8#ws)

:D


Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 28, 2012, 08:56
"@LukeSmithF1: Williams should confirm Bottas today #F1"
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 28, 2012, 08:59
....it may be much worse next year for the petulant little boy....and that crying could well be a season long shrieking whine..

I hear you, I mean Mercedez have been struggling. There is loads more $ to be had for Ham over there, but if I know anything about F1 dudes, and most top sportspeople it's that $ do not compensate for not winning... #Whining
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 28, 2012, 08:59
Kimi Räikkönen EPIC Team Radio Abu Dhabi 2012 = Just leave me alone! I Know what to do!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wr2C7Niak8#ws)

:D


Spoiler (hover to show)

Awesome :-D love me some Kimi!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 28, 2012, 11:19
Confirmed, Bottas joins Williams along with my "friend" Pastor.. hope he's less of a douche than the latter!

"@SkySportsF1: Here's our updating story on the Williams driver announcement.... http://t.co/9zhdv0QU"
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Anthony Moan on November 28, 2012, 15:22
Hold your horses, Wiki to the rescue!

"Drag Reduction System"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_reduction_system (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_reduction_system)
Ok I see but who push button?

Post Merge: November 28, 2012, 15:23
Dude, finally.

I'll just say this, everything is sh*t. Just combine the sh*t and it's art. That's what they told me
I am on gay parade now...later
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 28, 2012, 15:51
Ok I see but who push button?


I am on gay parade now...later

"The system is activated by the driver through a button on the steering wheel"

http://www.quora.com/Formula-1-1/What-is-a-DRS-system-in-F1


Pics please!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 29, 2012, 08:36
Potential sting in the tail?  Looks like Vettel overtook under yellow flags which, if found guilty, would see him get a 20sec penalty, therefore demoting him to 8th and giving Alonso the title.  Have seen the video a few times, and it looks fairly clear cut  to me that Vettel's been a bit naughty and may need to cork the champagne.
Sky picked up on it straight after the race - page 3 of video, McNish examines Vettel controversy  http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/ (http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 29, 2012, 08:42
yep, it was a little bit strange as there was no obvious reason for these yellow flags and I also think that things like that might happen in tricky conditions like that - but anyway, as F1 generally is very strict in enforcing it's rules he should have got a penalty, yes. What McNish says about Kobayashi going to the pits does not make any sense by the way
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 29, 2012, 08:42
I saw that on Twitter, people were speculating during the race already, I was kinda holding my breath the whole time, not knowing if they were going to announce a drive through/whatever, but then after there were quotes from various people saying it was yellow AND red lights, which has different rules to yellow light only. I couldn't watch the clip, wouldn't load on my phone, gonna try the laptop.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 29, 2012, 08:45
PS I have to say I hate when this happens - it's just not the same as when somebody wins on the day - if something comes of it, and Alonso gets it in the end, good for him, but I just find it so blah blah blegh.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 29, 2012, 08:54
yellow flags..as F1 generally is very strict in enforcing it's rules he should have got a penalty

What McNish says about Kobayashi going to the pits does not make any sense by the way

The vid also not loading on laptop, my wifi being dodgy. So yellow flags, not lights. Hmm, wonder what's gonna ensue.

What did he say about Kobayashi... and Kob's got no ride for next year, hey?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on November 29, 2012, 09:45
The vid also not loading on laptop, my wifi being dodgy. So yellow flags, not lights. Hmm, wonder what's gonna ensue.

What did he say about Kobayashi... and Kob's got no ride for next year, hey?

Kobayashi went to the pits after he was overtaken by Vettel and McNish said, that it would be difficult to punish Vettel as Kobayashi went to the pits and thefore Vettel was not even given the opportunity to acknowledge to himself that he made a error (and let Kobayashi pass again). But I don't think that he has a point here - sometimes drivers give back their place if they gained it for cutting a corner and so on, but in my view it's different in this case as it's not about getting a penalty for having gained a place unlawfully but for being a possible danger for everyone else.

But as far as I can see all the discussion at the moment are about Vettel's move on Vergne in lap 4 (which was under green flag - from my point of view). I don't know what happened to the Kobayashi incident

...and yeah, I think Kobayashi will come short for next year

Edit: I did read another article and apparantly the lights were actually yellow/red-striped, and therefor his move on Kobayashi was okay
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 29, 2012, 10:06
Thanks, Search!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on November 29, 2012, 16:28
PS I have to say I hate when this happens - it's just not the same as when somebody wins on the day - if something comes of it, and Alonso gets it in the end, good for him, but I just find it so blah blah blegh.

Agreed, even if it is overturned - and I far prefer Alonso to Vettel, it doesn't feel 'right' if you know what I mean.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 29, 2012, 18:38
Agreed, even if it is overturned - and I far prefer Alonso to Vettel, it doesn't feel 'right' if you know what I mean.

I know exactly what you mean. Though I guess if you asked Alo who worked so hard all year he wouldn't agree.. but we're fans, not drivers, and this is our perspective. I am still not enamoured of Ferrari though (never have been, McLaren all the way..) but I respect Alo, he has given the most exciting moves all year, despite a hamstrung machine #Respect
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Anthony Moan on November 29, 2012, 22:03
"The system is activated by the driver through a button on the steering wheel"

http://www.quora.com/Formula-1-1/What-is-a-DRS-system-in-F1 (http://www.quora.com/Formula-1-1/What-is-a-DRS-system-in-F1)


Pics please!

I see...thanks...was thinking that umpire has something to do with it...

What pics? You mean my new brasilian haircut :D
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on November 29, 2012, 22:08
What pics? You mean my new brasilian haircut :D

WAWAWEEWA!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Anthony Moan on November 29, 2012, 22:55
ok ok guys just wait 8)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: krabkakes on November 30, 2012, 00:12
ok ok guys just wait 8)
TONY! NO!
You Rabbi now.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Anthony Moan on November 30, 2012, 23:27
TONY! NO!
You Rabbi now.
I will do it brother...I will...you know me...just wait...
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on December 01, 2012, 18:15
No HRT in 2013
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/entry_lists_decisions/files/2013%20FIA%20Formula%20One%20World%20Championship%20Entry%20List%2030.11.2012.pdf (http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/entry_lists_decisions/files/2013%20FIA%20Formula%20One%20World%20Championship%20Entry%20List%2030.11.2012.pdf)

One crapshoot out then.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 07, 2012, 06:18
"@Formula1_GP: Not only did Kimi Raikkonen finish every race in the 2012 F1 season, he also completed the most racing laps: 1,191"

I love my Jenson but a competitive Kimi would be oh such fun next season, look like good stats there?
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 08, 2012, 06:48
"@FakeTomita: Suzi Perry tipped to replace Jake Humphrey  http://t.co/vfrIrg05"

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/186727/1/suzi_perry_tipped_to_replace_jake_humphrey.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 17, 2012, 18:36
"@Formula1_GP: Waking up the Iceman!"

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/18/e7uvy5et.jpg)

Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 17, 2012, 18:46
This thread surely needs to be moved to the general section. The only time I'd call driving a sport is when the fuzz are chasing you.

Hey B-Bop, I owe you one of these anyway   :nuts   ;D
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on December 17, 2012, 18:57
because your knowledge of motorsports ends with Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on December 17, 2012, 23:05
Next up you'll be telling me that a truck driver, driving from a European city to another is sport. Infact maybe I should copyright that idea, you never know what junk TV stations buy.

you are way too late, Ice Road Truckers is on History Channel all the time
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 18, 2012, 08:59
"@EDGE_F1: Romain Grosjean will partner Raikkonen again for the 2013 season @Lotus_F1Team have confirmed #F1"

Grrrrrrr
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 18, 2012, 16:03
"@MBrundleF1: As former Brit F1 driver I'm pleased to see 4 Brits on 2013 grid now that @MaxChilton_ confirmed at Marussia. Amazingly no Italians again yet"
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on December 18, 2012, 22:05
"@EDGE_F1: Romain Grosjean will partner Raikkonen again for the 2013 season @Lotus_F1Team have confirmed #F1"

Grrrrrrr

Grosjean is quick, he just lacks consistency so far. I think he deserves to stay in F1 at least for another year, if he doesn't deliver he needs to go. But for the moment, way better choice than Senna of course
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 18, 2012, 22:16
Grosjean is quick, he just lacks consistency so far. I think he deserves to stay in F1 at least for another year, if he doesn't deliver he needs to go.

But for the moment, way better choice than Senna of course
Yeah his speed is super exciting. I know crashes are part of the sport, but I distrust him for the same reason I distrust Maldonado.. I dislike the way he kept crashing out & taking some main contenders with him, imagine if Alonso had not been taken out that time..

Yes, poor Bruno - and like Massa I really wanted him to do well - really happy about how Massa turned things around towards the end of the season. Not sure of the facts or if it is indeed true, but heard somewhere that Massa is physically 100% fine & recovered, which implies that his issues were psychological - or perhaps his car was just sh*te??
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 21, 2012, 09:55
"@BBCSport: here's Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo explaining why he'd take Vettel over Hamilton as lead driver: http://t.co/xAh7aWSy #formula1"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20809274
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 21, 2012, 11:03
"@neilr1975: http://t.co/mJaYOrWZ #f1 interesting..especially given there good reliability. Hope thet dont fix the package but break the reliability"

Quote
Ferrari has appointed separate design co-ordinators for its 2013 and '14 Formula 1 cars as part of a reorganisation of its technical efforts

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104906?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: cj2002 on December 21, 2012, 13:07
News from the BBC:

'Suzi Perry has been named as the new presenter for the BBC's Formula 1 coverage, taking over from Jake Humphrey.

Perry is a former presenter of the BBC's MotoGP coverage and has also hosted The Gadget Show on Channel 5.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/64897000/jpg/_64897219_7ce0b845-7be2-4dd7-9afe-7d7d60eb2a09.jpg)
 
Ben Gallop, BBC Head of F1, said: "We're delighted to welcome Suzi to the team. She'll bring real energy and years of experience to one of the biggest jobs in sports broadcasting. Her presenting ability, coupled with her love and knowledge of motorsport, make her an excellent addition to our line-up. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank Jake Humphrey for his enormous contribution to the coverage over the last four years and we all wish him the best for the future."

The BBC also confirms that it will show the following Grands Prix live on television in 2013:

China: 14 April
Spain: 12 May
Canada: 9 June
Great Britain: 30 June
TBA*: 21 July
Belgium: 25 August
Italy: 8 September
Japan: 13 October
India: 27 October
Brazil: 24 November

In addition to those races live on TV, there will be extended highlights coverage of the remaining ten races. All 20 races will be live on BBC Radio 5 live or 5 live sports extra.'


Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 22, 2012, 16:09
"@Formula1_GP: Team-mates once again... http://t.co/uVb9Jz82"

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Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 23, 2012, 09:44
"@Formula1etc: Could this realy be the future for F1 ?? Is this realy the prototype of the Ferrari F12013 ?? #F1etc http://t.co/yAjgwDjp"

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Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: ram on December 23, 2012, 10:02
They might even challenge for the title if they spent their resources on building real cars instead of unnecessary prototypes.
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 23, 2012, 10:05
Looks cool though, hey?
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 24, 2012, 06:32
"@Formula1_GP: The Finger Statue! -  Sebastian Vettel's hometown in Heppenheim. http://t.co/GD1zQQyn"

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Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 24, 2012, 08:18
Quote
In addition to those races live on TV, there will be extended highlights coverage of the remaining ten races. All 20 races will be live on BBC Radio 5 live or 5 live sports extra.'

I'm quite surprised that they're not televising all races live?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on December 24, 2012, 09:26
it was the same this year already. they lost half of them due to bernie's deal with sky sports (+bbc not willing to pay enough money)
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 24, 2012, 09:28
Ah I see, thanks. Kinda sucks hey?
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: search on December 24, 2012, 09:58
yep, their pre- and post-race coverage is/was the best in the world. Not sure if they can absorb losing Jake Humphrey.

On the other side, they still have the huge advantage that the new host can't be any worse than that Crofty guy on Sky
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 26, 2012, 20:14
What a bummer.

Ha ha never seen the dude, but now I want to!
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on December 31, 2012, 09:43
"@GrandPrixDiary: Nothing on TV today? All 12 episodes of McLaren's 'Tooned' shorts here: http://t.co/ac6V8cfq"

Sorry, can't seem to copy the link somehow. I kinda enjoy these.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: krabkakes on December 31, 2012, 13:51
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PS7RGtTciRk/UOGXwUDKtMI/AAAAAAAAbwE/8lKrTa-nXrE/s1152/alon_vett_spaf_20111.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: krabkakes on January 03, 2013, 19:40
The Helmet Store (http://www.f1helmetstore.com/by_driver/intro.html)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7hBKzWpTjNg/UOXeciS3ErI/AAAAAAAAcJY/38OS4mWuCAg/s733/Capture.PNG)We are a group of Formula 1 fans located in Buenos Aires, Argentina, who have been making F1 driver replica items since 1998.

First we made them as a hobbie, but the quality and the passion that we put in this work, lead us to start making them at a professional level.

We started making Full Size F1 Replica Helmets, and our success in this field, encouraged us to make high quality Half Size F1 Replica Nosecones, from the top F1 teams.

Today, we are really confident about what we achieve: High quality F1 Replicas,
for Formula One fanatics and fine collectors.
Title: Re: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: Dancing on the Pedals on January 03, 2013, 20:09
Maybe there's hope for the rest yet...: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20898956 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20898956)

Not best pleased about Perry replacing Humphrey.  What was wrong with promoting Lee McKenzie to the top job?  Always been impressed with her when filling in for Jake, very knowledgeable, knows and seems to get on well with all the drivers (and I have a bit of a crush on her, but moving on...).  That said however, where that article says the rest of the team will be confirmed in due course, does this mean that DC, Eddie, and Lee may not be there next year either?   :-\
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on January 04, 2013, 06:03
I also like those 3, jeez, hope they're still there ???
Title: Formula 1 - 2012
Post by: kabloemski on January 06, 2013, 08:15
"@JackLeslieF1: With Michael Schumacher retiring, Jenson Button takes the reigns of "most experienced" in the field as he goes into his 14th season #F1"