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Title: Astana
Post by: just some guy on November 23, 2013, 07:37
Vincenzo Nibali 2014 calendar already has "more international"

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=67460 (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=67460)

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Vincenzo Nibali knows what his way to the Tour de France that bypasses the Giro d'Italia but play a more "international" calendar, with Paris-Nice, Amstel, Liège, Romandie and the Dauphiné, and perhaps the Tour of Flanders. Beside in July will Michele Scarponi will have its own purpose of trying to wear the pink jersey in May.

From Montecatini Terme, Giuseppe Martinelli Martinelli Nibali ahead of schedule after the Tour de San Luis: "In February, when the birth of the child permits, will be in Oman. Then shall the Paris-Nice race, then Sanremo, Criterium International, Classical North Romandie and the Dauphiné. Before and after the Dauphiné, train at altitude, "Lead in La Gazzetta dello Sport .

The change in Tirreno-Adriatico, which won last year before Froome-by Paris-Nice has an explanation: "The French race has one more day of rest before San Remo, with the Pompeiana becomes a big target, and that with rest, you can prepare better. " "And there is another factor, not secondary. Nibali is a champion in Italy, but now need a more international dimension. Go to Paris - Nice and the Critérium also used to exit the shell, "he says. As for classical confirms that "the Tour, the idea of ​​taking you to know the cobblestones in the Tour of Flanders is getting stronger. After Amstel and Liege, do not know if we will see the same extraordinary Nibali of last season. "

Martinelli also talks about Scarponi: "Will the Giro in May to try to win, then in July will help Nibali in the Tour. Scarponi - explains technical Brescia - has been hired above all to help Nibali in the Tour, but it is also an investment of Astana for the Tour, where you must fight for the pink jersey and teach the trade to Aru. We can not offend a major race like the Giro. " Also confirms the program Scarponi before accompanying their leader at the Tour de France: "It will be in St. Louis with Nibali then height in February, Tirreno-Adriatico, Sanremo, concentration, Trentino, Liège and Giro maybe."

San Remo will be a target "because the two have been close to success. Maybe you do not remember: Michele did it in 2011 and reached number six. And that was San Remo sprinters. "

Finally, it also confirms that Jakob Fuglsang "will be a year of sacrifices. It should help Nibali 100%, "he concludes.

Nibali Calendar: Tour de San Luis (20-26 January), Tour of Oman (18-23 February), Paris-Nice (March 9 to 16), Milan-San Remo (23 March), Criterium International (March 29 to 30 ), Tour of Flanders (April 6)?, Amstel Gold Race (April 20), Liege (27 April), Tour de Romandie (April 29-May 4), high concentration, Critérium Dauphiné (8-15 June), concentration height, and Tour de France (July 5 to 27).

Scarponi Calendar: Tour de San Luis, high concentration, Tirreno-Adriatico (12-18 March), Milan-San Remo, high concentration, Giro Trentino (22-25 April), Liege, Tour of Italy (9 May-1 June) and Tour de France.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Slow Rider on November 23, 2013, 12:29
Yey, dedicated Nibbles topic :D

His season's build-up looks interesting. PN would be worth more than a 3rd TA title, and it's understandable he wants to target MSR with this parcours, although it will still be hard for him to win it. The fact that Nibbles will also do Criterium International and possibly the Ronde does mean that he'll likely be a bit below his top form at the Ardennes. But if he can continue his MSR peak until the Ronde, he may grab a top 10 there which would be brilliant for a GC racer.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: just some guy on December 09, 2013, 08:27
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2013-report-card-astana-pro-team
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: just some guy on December 09, 2013, 08:49
Bettini tips Nibali for 2014 success: ‘I think he can win the Tour’

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15966/Bettini-tips-Nibali-for-2014-success-I-think-he-can-win-the-Tour.aspx

Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: just some guy on December 12, 2013, 14:59
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15985/Guardini-given-good-programme-of-flat-early-season-races-aiming-to-get-sprinting-career-back-on-track.aspx
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: just some guy on December 17, 2013, 06:16
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aru-looking-for-further-progress-at-2014-giro-ditalia
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: KeithJamesMc on December 29, 2013, 17:36
strong views from birdsong:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/q-and-a-jakob-fuglsang-on-bruyneel-riis-nibali-and-the-tour-de-france-plan

- nibz for tdf
- sky string arm tactics don't work, missing road captain
- porte won't be as strong in tdf
- riis going down
- bruyneel deserved his sentence
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Gotland on January 11, 2014, 11:04
Nibs, Birdsong, Kessiakoff, Kangert, Brajkovic, Westra, Grivko, Gruzdev selected to TdF squad according to La Gazetta Dello Sport through @johanssonmalena


Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 11, 2014, 11:22
Nibs, Birdsong and Kessiakoff selected to TdF squad according to La Gazetta Dello Sport through @johanssonmalena

I really doubt if Nibali, Scarponi, Fuglsang, Kangert and Brajkovic all will ride the Tour, also I think Agnoli will most likely be selected .
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Gotland on January 11, 2014, 11:50
I really doubt if Nibali, Scarponi, Fuglsang, Kangert and Brajkovic all will ride the Tour, also I think Agnoli will most likely be selected .

Someone will have to ride the Giro too I guess. Nibs and Kessiakoff will probably ride Tdf.  Nibs probably want to have a go for the Tour. Kessiakoff will probably ride the Tour too because of his pollen allergies.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Gotland on January 11, 2014, 12:36
Nibs will ride the Tour and Scarponi will ride the Giro.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/16161/Committed-to-riding-Tour-rather-than-defending-Giro-title-Nibali-starts-in-Tour-de-San-Luis.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+velonation_pro_cycling+%28Cycling+News+%26+Race+Results+|+VeloNation.com%29
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Slow Rider on January 12, 2014, 15:01
So Nibali confirmed to do the Ronde van Vlaanderen :) Not sure exactly how much help it will be in training for the Roubaix cobbles in the Tour, but it'll be good to see him there anyway. Not expecting to compete for the win, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him launch some attacks just for the fun of it. With Westra, Grivko and perhaps Iglinsky he has some teammates who could do well here, but none of them have the kind of name to be able to ask Nibali to work for them, even in this race.

Hopefully he'll fall in love with the race and the crowds and will peak for it next year, winning the Ronde van Vlaanderen 2015 as the reigning Tour champion ;)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-to-ride-the-tour-of-flanders
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: August on January 12, 2014, 15:47
While I don't expect him to start making it a normal thing and make RVV a target, respect to Nibali for taking the initiative to take part in a big one day like Flanders. Good to see a GT rider riding a cobbled classic, as we don't see that anymore nowadays.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: just some guy on February 01, 2014, 08:16
Nibali suffers no fracture and will race in Dubai / in Spanish  (http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=68970)
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Flo on February 28, 2014, 14:58
Disappointed SR isn't on this yet ;) ;)

https://twitter.com/VincenzoNibali/status/439325241983381505

https://twitter.com/VincenzoNibali/status/439347846354333697
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Slow Rider on February 28, 2014, 15:51
Sorry to let you down :(

Now I'd say MSR is the ideal time to give the baby and her mother a nice gift?
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: AG on March 01, 2014, 00:49
yeah that would be nice for him.   Congrats to Vincenzo and his family  <3
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: The Hitch on March 01, 2014, 02:28
Nibali must be over the moon.

About the fact that his baby is born the same day as Andy Schlecks.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: just some guy on March 01, 2014, 06:13
Emma nice name.

Nibs will be a good cq pick for next year  ;)
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Flo on March 01, 2014, 07:35
Nibali must be over the moon.

About the fact that his baby is born the same day as Andy Schlecks.

:D :D
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Slow Rider on March 01, 2014, 08:33

Nibs will be a good cq pick for next year  ;)

Do not joke about such things :(
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Flo on March 01, 2014, 09:07
Do not joke about such things :(

Sorry SR it's the cold hard truth :lol

Perhaps I should be happy that rumor about a Berto baby was false :shh second place at TDF for Berto :evil:

At least Andy can't get any worse :fp
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Slow Rider on March 01, 2014, 11:52
LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on March 10, 2014, 07:37
Borut Božič Talks Classics! (http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/page/latest-news/?id=121081#.Ux1qvIXBKSo)
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Leadbelly on June 06, 2014, 13:47
Vino Mad! Vino Angry!

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=72316

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In late April, Vincenzo Nibali received a letter for his "poor performance", signed by the manager of the Astana Alexandre Vinokourov and motivated by the lack of results, winless in this case for the Italian

"We pay a lot, and we want to live performance. No excuses, no buts. Reasons we do not care, but the results so far have not been. Should be reacting, because for us things are not going well."
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Capt_Cavman on June 06, 2014, 14:04
Vino Mad! Vino Angry!

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=72316
Also, La Gazzetta confirms "the struggle" between the Kazakh part of Astana with Aleksander Shefer and Italian Giuseppe Martinelli. "The differences are profound and affect the corridor management, choice of materials and degree programs. Even medical level, the differences are total, "says the Italian sports daily.


Whatever can they mean?  :-x
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: DB-Coop on June 06, 2014, 14:11
Vino Mad! Vino Angry!

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=72316

The curse of the three year contract, gotta love it ;)

also :lol at sending angry letter to one of your riders, imagine if Andy was at Astana, I mean you wouldn't even be able to open his mailbox  :o
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on June 06, 2014, 15:08
How utterly bizarre.

Maybe Vino is trying to force Nibs to be more "professional"  :shh
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Slow Rider on June 22, 2014, 11:43
https://twitter.com/friebos/status/480636614147067904

Nibs for the double 2015!
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: froome19 on June 22, 2014, 11:48
I really don't appreciate those claims. How could anyone know what could occur between now and next year? The world of cycling is an ever moving, fast flowing machine and what Nibs wants now is very possibly not what he will want 7 months down the line.

I hope he isn't being pressured by Vino and Astana into doing the Giro to win a GT and get a big result (as the competition at the Tour next year with Froome, Contador and Nairo.. is super tough). I also hope he doesn't become a rider who finishes his career with five or more Grand Tour wins, but yet none at the Tour. He is better than that imo and that would have a bitter sweet taste to it for all.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: DB-Coop on June 28, 2014, 19:32
I really don't appreciate those claims. How could anyone know what could occur between now and next year? The world of cycling is an ever moving, fast flowing machine and what Nibs wants now is very possibly not what he will want 7 months down the line.

I hope he isn't being pressured by Vino and Astana into doing the Giro to win a GT and get a big result (as the competition at the Tour next year with Froome, Contador and Nairo.. is super tough). I also hope he doesn't become a rider who finishes his career with five or more Grand Tour wins, but yet none at the Tour. He is better than that imo and that would have a bitter sweet taste to it for all.

I would assume it is not the team, there is no way they would wan't him to do that, especially with Aru doing so well, there is no way Nibali will target both those races, Aru or Fuglsang (Is leaving) without racing the Giro would beat Nibali coming off the Giro at the Tour I think. The most logical thing seems to split leadership between Aru and Nibali at the GT's and maybe even give the Vuelta to Kangert too. It is a claim like Contador's I'll ride the Vuelta, no way Bjarne would wan't that either imo.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Slow Rider on June 28, 2014, 20:24

I hope he isn't being pressured by Vino and Astana into doing the Giro to win a GT and get a big result (as the competition at the Tour next year with Froome, Contador and Nairo.. is super tough). I also hope he doesn't become a rider who finishes his career with five or more Grand Tour wins, but yet none at the Tour. He is better than that imo and that would have a bitter sweet taste to it for all.

It's a difficult one. I agree that a second Giro win would add less to his palmares than a win at the Tour, plus the Tour is better to combine with an Ardennes classics peak. But winning the Tour against top-form Contador, Froome and Quintana will require something special. In a normal race of MTFs and ITTs he won't succeed in that, it will require a combination of downhill finishes, long-range attacks, hilly stages, and/or bad conditions. Or all three others being out of form / suspended / injured.

Aiming for one or two more Giro's on the other hand would be much more likely to succeed. And three Giro's but no Tours is a lot bette palmares than one Giro and four Tour podiums. Also, the Giro is Nibali's home race so it makes sense he wants to ride it. And not to forget that the rainbow jersey, Lombardia, LBL and MSR are all big goals for Nibali. Nibali needs to make the most of the years he still has left as a top rider, and going for that small chance of winning the Tour might not be the best use of that time.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: AG on June 29, 2014, 01:38
Maybe Vino will be a bit happier with him today     :D
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on November 17, 2014, 15:55
Beppe Martinelle talk and talks and talks, about more or less every rider at Astana, and every possible race they could do ;)

http://www.cicloweb.it/articolo/2014/11/10/l-intervista-con-nibali-ed-aru-l-astana-punta-ai-grandi-giri-parla-beppe-martine

some interesting stuff in there
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: just some guy on December 14, 2014, 06:56
Boom off to OZ then classics and tdf

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/de-australia-a-roubaix-el-inicio-de-boom-13-12-2014

Lulu

The Spaniard confirmed BiciCiclismo its schedule for the first part of the season: Tour Down Under, Tour of Murcia, Almeria Classic, Vuelta a Andalucía, Paris-Nice, Milan-San Remo, Giro del Trentino and Liege before tackling the Giro Italy. And will not lack in Puerto Banus, the output of the Tour of Spain.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/luis-leon-sanchez-descubrira-el-giro-en-2015-13-12-2014
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 11, 2015, 00:08
Not really team related, but...

A consequence of my broken ankle that is dragging on longer than I had hoped is the inability to drive.  Tendons still too rusty and stiff to be confident that I would get pedals to respond as I want every time.  While colleagues have been very helpful, literally going out of their way to get me to and from work, I have sometimes had to resort to buses.  And it was on the bus today that I overheard something I thought I never would: a harassed mother trying to stifle a shout of "Just sit still, Astana!"

From her accent, I don't think she was a homesick Khazakstani who had named her child after her home city, so is there a father in the background who is a devoted Vino fan, or just another chavvy family trying to come up with an original sounding name to haunt their child for a lifetime?
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 22, 2015, 14:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCylsswpgXU

no Romandie for Aru as well

"He has to recover, he does not feel good yet. No Romandia for him: he wouldn't have any benefit from it.”

Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: t-72 on April 22, 2015, 22:38
It was said in today's TV coverage of the FW that there are reports that Nibali will race in Il Giro this year after all. I couldn't find info on this  - is it confirmed anywhere?
I remember 2013 he was a late announced starter for the Vuelta that Horner eventually won. I guess there may be a nice payment just for showing up, as Nibali is quite popular in Italy.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 23, 2015, 08:01
so far it's only speculation

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aru-illness-prompts-speculation-that-nibali-could-ride-giro-ditalia
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: L'arri on April 23, 2015, 09:23
so far it's only speculation

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aru-illness-prompts-speculation-that-nibali-could-ride-giro-ditalia

Let's have this. Nibali will provide lots of entertainment at the Giro and he'll have a great excuse when he loses the Tour.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: cj2002 on April 23, 2015, 09:26
Let's have this. Nibali will provide lots of entertainment at the Giro and he'll have a great excuse when he loses the Tour.

Assuming Astana are allowed to ride either of them.

Maybe sending Nibali to the Giro is a last shot at going out in a blaze of glory! It guarantees him a contract with SouthEast next year, at the very least.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: L'arri on April 23, 2015, 09:29
Assuming Astana are allowed to ride either of them.

Maybe sending Nibali to the Giro is a last shot at going out in a blaze of glory! It guarantees him a contract with SouthEast next year, at the very least.

I think so too. That has to be another motivation.

Contract wise, if the sport had been healthier we might have expected a wholesale takeover with new sponsors. As it is, that seems unlikely.

Lefevere made some noises about taking on Nibali in extremis during his interview with Le Soir (see EQS thread) but it was hard to say how serious he was.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 23, 2015, 09:41
Assuming Astana are allowed to ride either of them.

having Tuttobiciweb's "No decision expected anytime soon" quote in mind, I guess that's one of the reasons for him to do the Giro, indeed.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Flo on April 23, 2015, 10:34
I doubt he'll be in good enough shape to do anything but finish top 10
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 23, 2015, 10:52
I doubt he'll be in good enough shape to do anything but finish top 10

Why so? He's just come off a month training block and it's shown.
He's looked pretty good this week and has Romandie up next.
That's 25 days racing at over 4000kms.
Bertie will not have turned a pedal in anger for 6 weeks, come Giro depart, having competed a week and a thousand km less.

Can't be that much difference in conditioning, unless there is something magical about training over racing, these days.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Flo on April 23, 2015, 11:00
Uhm, maybe because Nibali has been crap so far and has been building towards a peak for the Tour? :-x
Feel bad for Aru though, he'll lose his shot at a podium because Nibali, 2 weeks before the start of the Giro, has decided he wants to do the double which he's never going to manage.
Martinelli: " only three days at the Giro matter" boy is Nibali going to have a fun time against Alberto with that mindset :lol
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 23, 2015, 13:08
 Mmm, I know you have been busy with re-sits etc, but not watching the classics again?
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 23, 2015, 13:29
I think Nibali looked very weak yesterday to be honest, I expected him to attack on the penultimate climb, but he just wasn't able to. He couldn't even follow Wellens when he went clear, let alone create a gap himself.

He could still come in shape for the Giro though, but I don't really think his current form is a good indicator to come to any kind of conclusion

About Aru...if he is in hospital right now, and already announced to be unable to do Romandie a week before it starts, I don't really expect him to be a factor in the Giro anyway - no matter if Nibali is there or not.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Flo on April 23, 2015, 13:31
Mmm, I know you have been busy with re-sits etc, but not watching the classics again?
WTF? You too? Where does this idea that I don't watch classics or don't care about them come from?
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 23, 2015, 13:58
WTF? You too? Where does this idea that I don't watch classics or don't care about them come from?

Sorry.
Probably those folks you refer to. :fp

Anyhow, Search thought he was crap, too.
I thought he looked more than reasonable in AGR.
 I guess he won't be filling the gap in my Velogames team if folks are seeing him this differently.

It's probably a moot point in anycase.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 23, 2015, 14:03
not exactly crap, but he has been attacking left and right since Oman two months ago. By now I expected him to be able to come close to fight for the win at least
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: cj2002 on April 24, 2015, 15:15
not exactly crap, but he has been attacking left and right since Oman two months ago. By now I expected him to be able to come close to fight for the win at least

From the bits I have seen of the recent classics where Nibali has been, I think he's had the strength and form to do more than he has. Tactics, on the other hand...

Well maybe we should give him credit for trying to make a break work, rather than leaving it to the last climb like Gilbert/Matthews/Kwiato/Costa/Valverde/EVERYONE ELSE!!!

Or maybe we should laugh at him because with those 5+ and their teams definitely not working in a break (a la Panzer in AGR), he should realise there is no chance.

I can't remember if this is the Dark Side Astana thread or not, so I can't really say anything about Aru vs. Nibali at the Giro. But in terms of their chances against the rest of the field...

Aru recovering from illness[1] or Nibali making a late switch without a dedicated training focus[2] vs. Contador who has set it as a target or Richie Porte who is currently tearing around Trentino like a ...

Minor GC positions only for the boys in blue, is my feeling.
 1. "illness", if you prefer :-x
 2. Although - Nibali is currently on 20 race days since Dubai; Contador is on 19 since Andalucia (which started after Dubai, and at which time Nibali was in Oman). Richie Porte has currently completed 33 race days
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: froome19 on April 24, 2015, 15:30
I think Nibali looked very weak yesterday to be honest, I expected him to attack on the penultimate climb, but he just wasn't able to. He couldn't even follow Wellens when he went clear, let alone create a gap himself.

He could still come in shape for the Giro though, but I don't really think his current form is a good indicator to come to any kind of conclusion
Considering the way he built up last year for the Tour so very carefully and with an almost perfect peak... His form in the Dauphine was way off, but by the Tour he was perfect. He seems to following the almost exact same schedule this year around so I don't expect anything special at this point in time. He should be solid though, considering his block of training.

Romandie will tell us more..

Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 24, 2015, 15:43
well, so the Tour de France is his only goal nowadays?! He has already won that one anyway, I always thought he was going to peak for Liege to begin with
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: froome19 on April 24, 2015, 16:06
He's all geared up for Liege, but the priority is definitely the Tour (obviously). I think he started his training camp at Teide earlier this year apparently to allow for better form at Liege.

From Martinelli:
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La Doyenne, on paper, is where Nibali is at his strongest, where he took a memorable second place in 2012 following a gutsy late lone attack that only fell apart on the final ascent to Ans. And Martinelli confirmed that Nibali will be building up in the first two Ardennes Classics “so his confidence is at 100 per cent for Liege. It’s only by being in these one-day races right from the word go that you feel at ease when it matters.”

That said, as Martinelli agrees, Nibali is not yet at peak condition. “His form is still a little bit off 100 per cent, because he wants to be at 100 per cent for the Tour de France. Whenever Nibali starts a race, you can’t ever rule him out of finding a way through [to success]. But he’s still building towards the second part of the season. I think we’ll have a good Nibali at the Tour de Romandie” - his next stage race after the Ardennes - “where he’ll be at 90 per cent of his top condition.”

“Liege-Bastogne-Liege suits him the best. And he’ll be in good condition for that. Amstel’s a bit tricky for him, [because] it’s not as tough [a race].”
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 24, 2015, 16:15
what a joke, really, the Tour starts in more than 2 months, and he will have a long break after Romandie anyway.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Flo on April 24, 2015, 16:18
well, so the Tour de France is his only goal nowadays?! He has already won that one anyway, I always thought he was going to peak for Liege to begin with

yes like Andy. it's sad
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 24, 2015, 16:21
even Andy peaked for Liege in his best years. This is more like Armstrong
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: froome19 on April 24, 2015, 16:51
He always gives his 100% in races though, which is more than you could say for Andy..
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: AG on April 25, 2015, 01:25
I think he was trying last year - he was just sh*t.

It wasnt that he was so focussed on the Tour that he didnt try at any other races.  He still rode the Oman/Qatar race (one of them), he was going for GC at Paris Nice, he rode and tried hard at MSR, he rode and tried in the Ardennes, he rode Romandie and the Dauphine - and he was riding all of these races to win.   

He got a letter from Vino because his form was so bad and they were expecting him to do better.

Its not that he wasnt trying, he just wasnt up there (for whatever reason  :s )

His form turn around from the Dauphine where he was considerably outridden by Andrew Talansky when the race was there to be won on the last stage ... to stage 2 of the Tour where he outsprinted everyone on a hilly finish worthy of Gilbert ... was remarkable.


Nibbles for all his faults usually tries at all these races.  He rides from Paris Nice / Tireno right through to Lombardia ... and he rides attacking races and tries to win.

I wouldnt be surprised if he does ride the Giro (not sure that he is ... prepared ... as might be necessary for him to dominate the Giro, but I wouldnt be surprised if he rides it.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 28, 2015, 12:12
Fabio Aru is back in Sestriere for altitude training. Doesn't look too sick to me

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/27-04-2015/a-sestriere-c-neve-aru-si-allena-rulli-guarda-video-110602852242.shtml
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Flo on April 28, 2015, 12:27
That's cuz he isn't sick anymore :P
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on April 28, 2015, 12:32
why is he not in Romandie then, as planed?
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: LukasCPH on April 28, 2015, 15:44
why is he not in Romandie then, as planed?
Probably because he'd need the same thing to compete as Froome did last year - a cooperative Zorzoli. ;)
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: DJW on April 28, 2015, 15:45
why is he not in Romandie then, as planed?

Scared of Hendo?
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: L'arri on July 17, 2015, 10:06
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-says-vinokourovs-comments-were-designed-to-motivate

Vinokourov using threats as motivation is nothing new but I can imagine how this style might turn off a few of his riders.

I'm trying to think of another example where a manager uses negativity against his riders so publicly. Definitely Tinkov at #tinkoff and sometimes Lefevere when transfer season comes around at #etixx. Any others?
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on August 06, 2015, 07:46
Nibali didn't start in yesterday's Post Tour Derny in Antwerpen. According to the organizers, it's because Vino was unhappy with his performance in the Tour, and therefor decided that he must ride the Vuelta, and didn't allow him to do any races before that

“Dat gebeurde in aanwezigheid van zijn sportbestuurder”, zegt Huybrechts. “Niets liet toen vermoeden dat diezelfde sportdirecteur later op gespannen voet met zijn renner zou komen te staan. De prestaties van Vincenzo vielen tegen en manager Vinokourov dreigde ermee dat de Italiaan de Ronde van Spanje moest gaan rijden. Ook na de Tour bleef Vinokourov het been stijf houden, meer nog, hij verplichtte Vincenzo Nibali tot complete rust in het vooruitzicht van een Ronde van Spanje die hij nu móét winnen. Dus mocht Vincenzo onze dernykoers niet rijden”, aldus een beteuterde Walter Huybrechts.

Source: Gazet van Antwerpen
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: just some guy on December 01, 2015, 11:41
People getting all worked up after the latest Aru/Nibali news

Nibs only rides L-B-L for the ardennes anyway, they need a leader so Saying Aru will lead the ardennes is ok all 4 of the races suit Aru as much as a really flat Timetrial does but Astana I think expect Nibali to leave so want to give Au the we think you are our leader confidence boost

Nibs riding the normal program of T-A MSR L-B-L Giro then riding the TDF to help Aru and focus on the Olympics makes a lot of sense to me
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Not My Circus on December 01, 2015, 12:02
People getting all worked up after the latest Aru/Nibali news

Nibs only rides L-B-L for the ardennes anyway, they need a leader so Saying Aru will lead the ardennes is ok all 4 of the races suit Aru as much as a really flat Timetrial does but Astana I think expect Nibali to leave so want to give Au the we think you are our leader confidence boost

Nibs riding the normal program of T-A MSR L-B-L Giro then riding the TDF to help Aru and focus on the Olympics makes a lot of sense to me

Nicely put :lol. I get the point re Nibs. With regards Aru I think it's not particularly well done to put the pressure on the guy for races he has not favoured before... such a 'confidence boost' could well backfire on them.

If I'm brutally honest I don't really give two little hoots about which races they ride. Don't get me wrong, I like the way they both race, they animate and ride with heart.  But the whole interplay within the team, the way the power shifts (or perhaps more accurately the way it is portrayed by the media) THAT is both fascinating and sickening to watch by turns. I'd say to Aru, watch it my lad. For all your star is in ascendency now... just remember how quickly it can turn.   

Of course there are other reasons why the Ardennes captaincy and roles within that team are a topic I watch closely... but that is a faint hope and growing dimmer by the year.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: just some guy on December 21, 2015, 07:45
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/an-accidental-diplomat-fofonov-takes-the-reins-at-astana/
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: L'arri on December 30, 2015, 14:33
No way Nibali stays beyond 2016. This team is going to be about Aru and maybe Lopez thereafter. And others I've probably forgotten.

I reckon Nibali will decline as a GT force anyway. He has probably reached the peak of his results in that discipline given the competition these days, whereas he can still win LBL and other stuff.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Joelsim on December 30, 2015, 14:39
No way Nibali stays beyond 2016. This team is going to be about Aru and maybe Lopez thereafter. And others I've probably forgotten.

I reckon Nibali will decline as a GT force anyway. He has probably reached the peak of his results in that discipline given the competition these days, whereas he can still win LBL and other stuff.

Agree with all of that

Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: LukasCPH on December 30, 2015, 22:25
No way Nibali stays beyond 2016. This team is going to be about Aru and maybe Lopez thereafter. And others I've probably forgotten.
With Segafredo having come in as a co-sponsor, Nibali --> #trek is a foregone conclusion. If it doesn't happen I'll eat my cycling cap.

Aru is the hotter property anyhow, and MA Lopez will be getting there. Fuglsang and Scarponi can be the mentors/superdoms for them.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: search on January 13, 2016, 11:33
https://twitter.com/DaanRieken/status/687230450562121728

(an abstract is also available here (http://www.frieschdagblad.nl/index.asp?artID=70669&_ga=1.42944293.1848397164.1452684490))

Lieuwe Westra wants to go for a less anonymous season this year, he feels good and targets a Top 10 in the Tour Down Under for a start, before building up shape for his main goals Paris Nice and the Dutch National Time Trial Championships, which he both would like to win again.

It's not yet clear which Grand Tour he will do, but it will probably not be the Giro, although starting in the Netherlands
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 18, 2016, 15:36
https://twitter.com/Staghoj/status/788352740334395396

Basically it seems like Fuglsang is favored to be leading Astana at the Tour along with young hope M.A.Lopez. I guess this means that Aru is going for the Giro and the Vuelta then. What I in this regard find interesting is how Astana will chose to divide their powers for the various races, result in France should matter more, yet Aru is much more likely to bring home a significant result in Italy. I figured I would take a look at the Nibaliless[1] roster for 2017 (http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/team.asp?year=2017&teamcode=AST) in an attempt to see who might be headed to what grand tours in 2017.

Overall team makeup

Aru is the best GC rider at Astana and should be given a full supporting cast at any GT he lines up at. Astana does not have anybody very likely to win GT-stages that are not a GC rider anyways so not much reason to pick anything but who is best at supporting Aru whenever he is there. Aru going to the Giro means that the Giro team must feature strong climbing support as well as flat support. What this then leaves for the Tour is first of all Lopez who will need to ride the GT that Aru doesn't ride as part of his maturation process. Lopez has all the upside in the world and needs to be tested for three weeks. Lopez is however not enough to build a Tour squad around, and as Astana does not have any super obvious stage winner candidates such as a top 5 sprinter in the world it makes sense bringing another GC hope as well. Here there is three to chose from Fuglsang, Scarponi and Kangert. Fuglsang would seem to be the better option of the three here, even more so considering that he is more balanced than Scarponi who could then be used as climbing support in Aru's bid to win his second ever grand tour. Kangert looked like he might have been on his way to becoming better than Fuglsang some years ago, but his development flatted out pretty quick. Fuglsang is realistically within reach of a top 10 in the Tour, but having achieved this before he almost have to aim at the top 5, podium will be hard, but last year the difference between riders not named Chris Froome was not that big in France. Even with Quintana returning to challenge Froome the 3rd spot on the podium may be relatively open. Lopez and Fuglsang will need a few riders to help them in the mountains, two or three should do the trick. As far as flat support goes it will be relevant to look into which riders might have a chance to win a stage from a medium mountain stage as well as ride for the team leaders. Lastly there should be some Kazakhs present at all the GT's.

Giro Team
NameRole
Fabio AruAbsolute leader of the Giro squad. Aru or bust could be a relevant tittle for the Astana Giro campaign. The team will look to win the race with Aru, and if successful this would set Aru up to in 2018 start aiming for the Tour and adding the last GT to his palmares.
Michele ScarponiAru will need a strong team around him and this starts with Scarponi who should be able to provide support late in the mountains for Aru.
Tanel KangertIf Team Sky has taught us anything it is that you can never have too many super-doms when attempting a GC win Kangert fits that role and should be able to help Aru out on any stage.
Dario CataldoShould be capable of filling out the role of fourth best climber in the squad.
Luis Leon SanchezLulu is an all-around beast that adds strength to any GT lineup. He is good at so many things and as such he will be useful for Aru on many stages.
Paolo TiralongoJust an all-round solid rider that is capable of putting in good work for the team.
Moreno MoserVery strong on flat and hilly parcours when at his best. Maybe the change of teams will see him return to peak level.
Andrey ZeitsThe Kazakh climber is no free ticket and normally rides the Giro and Vuelta.
Oscar GattoGood rider on the flat and could aid his team there. Could see the team bringing another Kazakh instead though.

Tour Team
NameRole
Miguel Angel LopezYoung gun aiming to prove his GC capabilities. Lopez should try to stay up in the GC and see how well he does.
Jakob FuglsangGC should be the goal, if he starts to slip perhaps time to look for stages. If Lopez comes out guns blazing it may be back to being number two for Jakob.
Tanel KangertProviding a bit of support in the mountains for the captains as well as perhaps a chance at a stage win in the third week. Kangert should peak for the Giro to improve Aru's chances at winning, and as such he may not be at his top level for the start of the Tour.
Jesper HansenLooked good in the Vuelta in 2015 didn't get picked for GT's in 2016, but showed good form throughout. Hansen should be able to be there until the last climb providing the captains with the assistance they may need. Neither Fuglsang or Lopez is anticipated to be gunning for the win and helpers on the last climb as such is less important, mostly it is just follow the moves if you can type of racing.
Luis Leon SanchezRiding the Tour in a more free role than the Giro. Lulu will along with the next two riders share the same duty. Firstly, look to attack and make it into moves on days where there is a chance the break makes it to the end. Secondly protect the captains when you are not in these moves. Between them the three should be capable of doing both.
Michael ValgrenArguably the one of the three more likely to win a stage from something else than a break, Valgren will get his chances on shorter uphill finishes and will other wise be free to chase stages as well.
Alexey LutsenkoThe best Kazakh rider at the moment. Lutsenko is great on the flat and rolling hills and even has a pretty decent sprint.
Lieuwe WestraCould try to get in a move like the three above, but less capable finisher than the three above.
Dimitriy GruzdevStrong as nails on the flat, but will mostly look to shelter Lopez and Fuglsang on the flat.

Vuelta Team
NameRole
Fabio AruAbsolute leader, will look to win overall.
Michele ScarponiClimbing support for Aru and probably his last man in the mountains.
Jakob FuglsangSupport for Aru, perhaps with a chance to chase stages, might not hit peak shape at beginning of Vuelta.
Dario CataldoLooking to support Aru.
Andrey ZeitsMore climnbing support.
Pello BilbaoDecent allrounder that can both support Aru or go in the break.
Sergey ChernetskiyGood time-trialist that should support the team well.
Bakhtiyar KozhatayevDomestique
Danill FominykhKazakh filling out the squad.
 1. adj; To be without or lacking of Nibali
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: ciranda on October 18, 2016, 18:56
Just want to add and say again that Kangert and Scarponi are pretty much the best gregarios in the world. They decided the Giro for Nibali and I think are too important to not do Giro and Kangert probably also TDF. Valgren said in a piece I read last week that he wants to do Giro and Vuelta and that his season will be all about Liege and World's.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 18, 2016, 22:00
Valgren said in a piece I read last week that he wants to do Giro and Vuelta and that his season will be all about Liege and World's.

Giro and Vuelta is interesting, I would think that Astana have fine riders that could support Aru there allowing Valgren a chance to go for a TdF stage win instead. Team is pretty light in the non-climbers department that could win stages imo. But yes agree with Ardennes as main goal. If I am putting my self in place of the team it is hard to agree with worlds as a key goal. So in my book it would be Ardennes classics and the Tour de France as the season highlights for him.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Not My Circus on October 18, 2016, 23:28
Giro and Vuelta is interesting, I would think that Astana have fine riders that could support Aru there allowing Valgren a chance to go for a TdF stage win instead. Team is pretty light in the non-climbers department that could win stages imo. But yes agree with Ardennes as main goal. If I am putting my self in place of the team it is hard to agree with worlds as a key goal. So in my book it would be Ardennes classics and the Tour de France as the season highlights for him.

Even so, he seems  confident that his aim will be Ardennes and Worlds and he is not TDF bound, they must have talked when he signed. Though of course Astana will do as they see fir and never mind things that 'may' have been talked months ago. I can see Vuelta as the pre Worlds tune up...but not Tour/Vuelta double.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Not My Circus on October 18, 2016, 23:52
What I in this regard find interesting is how Astana will chose to divide their powers for the various races, result in France should matter more, yet Aru is much more likely to bring home a significant result in Italy.

Enjoyed your analysis of this tricky conundrum. I have replied re Valgren further up in this thread. I agree he seems logical for the TDF... nevertheless he is quite clear so far that the TDF is not on his agenda. Having said that things change.


Re: results in France meaning more. You'd think so, and yet this Italian hybrid hasn't always played this game. 2013 when Nibbles rode a triumphant Giro leaving TDF for Fuglsang comes to mind (though they didn't have the same depth of personnel)  I agree on your thinking... they will be 100% Giro and 100% Aru (Giro and Vuelta).It'll be 'odds and sods' at the TDF by comparison. 

I worry about Aru. He's a talent that much is sure, but I felt he was under all sorts of pressure this year and never really coped or recovered his confidence after the mauling at the Tour. I would hate to see that repeated in 2017. By the same token I like the fact Lopez gets a chance to try without too much pressure. I am hopeful this last hurrah will draw a line under Fuglsang's GC obsession, before it's too late.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 19, 2016, 09:53
I am hopeful this last hurrah will draw a line under Fuglsang's GC obsession, before it's too late.

Personally I don't mind it too much to be honest, I mean what else is he to do, chase stages? Me and Lukas had a discussion on this point a month ago maybe on twitter in regards to top 10's or stages meaning more. Lukas point was that no one remembered who came 7th in the Giro and my point was that no one remembered who won stage 17 either. I feel like targeting GC in GT's is fine for him. Plus it is not like he has any kind of acceleration that makes you think he could win heaps of stages other wise.

I agree he [Valgren] seems logical for the TDF... nevertheless he is quite clear so far that the TDF is not on his agenda. Having said that things change.

The way I could see it changing is in regard to his role, if Valgren has a chance to have the team ride for him at some stages in the Tour, and overall have a much more free role than he would at the Giro/Vuelta then I would see this as a better race schedule.

If I was DS and someone told me they wanted to peak for worlds I'd be trying to talk them out of that for sure. Unless I wanted them to peak close to that anyway. Worlds is for fun, it doesn't pay the bills.

Re: results in France meaning more. You'd think so, and yet this Italian hybrid hasn't always played this game. 2013 when Nibbles rode a triumphant Giro leaving TDF for Fuglsang comes to mind (though they didn't have the same depth of personnel)  I agree on your thinking... they will be 100% Giro and 100% Aru (Giro and Vuelta).It'll be 'odds and sods' at the TDF by comparison. 

They would certainly like 1st GC in France over 1st GC in Italy, but that is not the situation. The Giro field the last few years has had one of the big four show up and win it. Questions to ask is, will any of them show up in 2017? Is Contador still up there with the three others? If they don't show up Aru has a chance to win the Giro. In France I could see him get 3rd highest assuming normal amounts of missed form and dnf from favorites.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Joelsim on October 19, 2016, 11:46
Personally I think Valgren is wasted at GTs. There are plenty of smaller races that he could have a shout at, like he did in Denmark. It appears he's been bought specifically to challenge in lots of one day races and without Sagan he should get far more chances.

I'm still undecided about Aru, a good rider obviously but will he ever reach the heights of challenging for the Tour? I'm not so sure.

I wonder if Lopez will ride the Giro in a free role with no need to go for GC. He probably needs to do a 3 weeker without pressure just for experience and to get his body used to it.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 19, 2016, 14:58
I wonder if Lopez will ride the Giro in a free role with no need to go for GC. He probably needs to do a 3 weeker without pressure just for experience and to get his body used to it.

Fuglsang said he would be co-captain at the Tour, I doubt he will do a double. I think it will be Tour, have Fuglsang wear the number 1 and let Lopez simply have the goal of trying to stick with the guys in GC for as long as he can, just to test him out.

Personally I think Valgren is wasted at GTs. There are plenty of smaller races that he could have a shout at, like he did in Denmark. It appears he's been bought specifically to challenge in lots of one day races and without Sagan he should get far more chances.

I am not saying he is more likely to win a stage than to not win one, but a 10 % at a TdF stage vs. a 80 % at some race no one ever heard off, I'd take the 10 % at a TdF stage any day. Just arbitrary percentages so don't put too much into it. In the end what it comes down to is that Astana needs their best shot at winning something in the races that matter to them, one of them being the tour, and Valgren gives them a better chance than anyone they could replace him with.

I'm still undecided about Aru, a good rider obviously but will he ever reach the heights of challenging for the Tour? I'm not so sure.

If you forced me to bet on it I would bet against it. Not sure if there is more upside or he has reached his full potential to be honest.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Leadbelly on October 20, 2016, 16:10

Tour Team

Lieuwe Westra - Could try to get in a move like the three above, but less capable finisher than the three above.


If he is still riding that is. I don't think he's lost that black dog that was following him round earlier in the year.

http://www.ad.nl/sport/lieuwe-westra-veel-erger-dan-dit-kan-het-niet-zijn~a84ab872/

The Broeckx crash, his girlfriend leaving him after seven years, the loneliness of Monaco, language barrier in Astana etc. He had a bit of a mid-season break, but it's been pretty much DNFs since then.

Quote
But it's not over yet. Today or tomorrow he leaves for three months to the Spanish coast. A sandwich and protein shake for breakfast, time cycle and evening rice, lettuce and a little meat. ,, Everything stands or falls with the next hundred days and the months thereafter. I think I've lost alone in hotel costs 10,000 euros. A best investment. If you do that, you're obviously not quite ready to cycling. If I survive this, this period is also something I can be proud of. ''

He wants at all costs to finish his last year in Astana. Then perhaps to a smaller team in the Netherlands or Belgium. Think Roompotstraat or Wanty. But only if he finds it fun again, because afraid to stop Westra is long gone. Black hole after his career ?. ,, I do not think I will suffer from it. Much worse than this can not be.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: Joelsim on October 21, 2016, 21:56
Fuglsang said he would be co-captain at the Tour, I doubt he will do a double. I think it will be Tour, have Fuglsang wear the number 1 and let Lopez simply have the goal of trying to stick with the guys in GC for as long as he can, just to test him out.

I am not saying he is more likely to win a stage than to not win one, but a 10 % at a TdF stage vs. a 80 % at some race no one ever heard off, I'd take the 10 % at a TdF stage any day. Just arbitrary percentages so don't put too much into it. In the end what it comes down to is that Astana needs their best shot at winning something in the races that matter to them, one of them being the tour, and Valgren gives them a better chance than anyone they could replace him with.

If you forced me to bet on it I would bet against it. Not sure if there is more upside or he has reached his full potential to be honest.

You can never accuse Aru of not putting in 100%, he absolutely gives it everything regularly.

Maybe that's why I don't think he has quite the talent to break into the very top set. I think he'll be overtaken by Lopez, Latour and a few others fairly quickly. And I don't think he's as good as Chaves or the Yates boys already.
Title: Re: Astana/ Nibali news
Post by: DB-Coop on October 23, 2016, 19:13
I think he'll be overtaken by Lopez, Latour and a few others fairly quickly.

Any single of them I think you would have to bet on Aru being better, however if you asked me Aru or the pack of younger talent. I would pick the pack.
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: just some guy on December 13, 2016, 08:36
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/808566381671284736
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: t-72 on January 13, 2017, 21:14
Preliminary race programme for #astana Truls Korsæth:

This looks like a bit too much for a neo-pro, he's probably not confirmed for all those races. I understand these are the ones he might show up in.
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: just some guy on February 09, 2017, 09:52
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/829628506543882240
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: t-72 on April 04, 2017, 21:37
OK, just a curious question - what happened to Superman #astana Lopez?

Not seen anywhere this year :slow ?
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: Archieboy on May 08, 2017, 07:42
OK, just a curious question - what happened to Superman #astana Lopez?

Not seen anywhere this year :slow ?

Broken leg at the Vuelta last year, looks like his comeback race is California next week, well he is on the startlist  :cool
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: t-72 on February 23, 2018, 22:25
Reports in the news Vesti, Kazakh paper for those that read russian (http://vesti.kz/astana/247196/) is that Astana is pretty much broke. Riders are not getting paid, and the situation is not resolved.
It appears Astana is not getting the money that was promised from their sponsors.

Question: isn't this why there is a bank guarantee required for the WT license? Employee's pay should have priority.
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: LukasCPH on February 24, 2018, 08:10
Reports in the news Vesti, Kazakh paper for those that read russian (http://vesti.kz/astana/247196/) is that Astana is pretty much broke. Riders are not getting paid, and the situation is not resolved.
It appears Astana is not getting the money that was promised from their sponsors.
:fp
Oh joy.

Question: isn't this why there is a bank guarantee required for the WT license? Employee's pay should have priority.
Yes. But even the bank guarantee only covers three months' wages, and is only called up when an employee files paperwork with the UCI requesting that the bank guarantee be called up to cover their unpaid wages. In many cycling teams, such an employee could be certain that they would never get a contract with this team ever again ... after all, they dragged the team's name through the mud by making it public that the team didn't fulfil its obligations.
Of course that is hypocritical to the extreme, but then, this is cycling.

Jarlinson Pantano and other ex #colombia riders only applied to have their due wages paid out via the bank guarantee after they'd left the team. And they're probably not the only ones.
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: L'arri on February 24, 2018, 11:30
Obviously Vino's oft-mentioned pull within the govt back home isn't strong enough and times are hard for the super-rich utilities oligarchs.

Brings a whole other meaning to the phrase "boom and bust cycle".
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: pastronef on February 25, 2018, 20:31
the Kazakh government has stopped the funding more suddenly than many hoped Disney would do...
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: t-72 on February 25, 2018, 21:43
Obviously Vino's oft-mentioned pull within the govt back home isn't strong enough and times are hard for the super-rich utilities oligarchs.

Brings a whole other meaning to the phrase "boom and bust cycle".

Let's see if it helps anything that *kz Aleksej Poltoranin completely bonked on the 50 km in the Olympics (cross-country skiing of course) the same day as #astana Michael Valgren wins his first Omloop. Poltoranin was the favorite pre-race but this went south, completely. In cycling, there was this #astana Lopez dude putting in a very good effort in Abu Dhabi as well. Maybe cycling isn't so bad, if the objective is to make your country noticed outside central Asia :)
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: LukasCPH on February 28, 2018, 23:02
Some background on the team's financial woes:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-swf-kazakhstan-analysis/kazakhstans-frozen-billions-sound-alarm-for-sovereign-funds-idUSKCN1G40MI (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-swf-kazakhstan-analysis/kazakhstans-frozen-billions-sound-alarm-for-sovereign-funds-idUSKCN1G40MI)

A Belgian court ordered banks to freeze 22.6 billion $, ~40% of Kazakhstan's sovereign wealth fund (Samruk-Kazyna, the team's main funding source), in a legal dispute with a Moldovan businessman about 500 million $.

Man, this all sounds shady as hell. :S
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: L'arri on March 01, 2018, 10:00
Some background on the team's financial woes:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-swf-kazakhstan-analysis/kazakhstans-frozen-billions-sound-alarm-for-sovereign-funds-idUSKCN1G40MI (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-swf-kazakhstan-analysis/kazakhstans-frozen-billions-sound-alarm-for-sovereign-funds-idUSKCN1G40MI)

A Belgian court ordered banks to freeze 22.6 billion $, ~40% of Kazakhstan's sovereign wealth fund (Samruk-Kazyna, the team's main funding source), in a legal dispute with a Moldovan businessman about 500 million $.

Man, this all sounds shady as hell. :S

The key point is this:

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"The more they act like ordinary commercial investors and not as vehicles of the state, it creates a risk that courts will not view them as instruments of the state, and are less likely to give them immunity"

Lots of SWFs nowadays operate commercially and the money they contain is not only collected from state-controlled revenues but also a mix of private interests taking advantage of the inbuilt protection and increased market access to launder, offshore and secrete wealth.

If the #astana budget is indeed entirely furnished from these frozen assets, then Vinokourov will have to go cap in hand to the old country in an effort to scrape the balance from other sources. The scale of the thing is clear enough though: $22.6bn is a lot of WT teams.
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: LukasCPH on March 01, 2018, 14:10
The scale of the thing is clear enough though: $22.6bn is a lot of WT teams.
Understatement of the decade, that. :P

This is indeed on a scale that even Vino has next to no chance of sweet-talking his way out of.
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 14, 2019, 15:34
Astana: the "Astana" of Pro Cycling.  :D

I wish I could un-see this!  :o :fp 

"I'm Vino, behind me is Martino"  :lol

https://twitter.com/AstanaTeam/status/1084816681682300928
Title: Re: Astana
Post by: LukasCPH on January 14, 2019, 18:15
Astana: the "Astana" of Pro Cycling.  :D

I wish I could un-see this!  :o :fp 

"I'm Vino, behind me is Martino"  :lol
I very consciously didn't press the play button. ;)