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Title: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 28, 2014, 10:22
The Hour record

Ok so we have a fabian thread but news is hoting up, so I thought a Genral thread for all info and if we want we can have individual for those riders who have a go

Rule Changes:

+ they are reverting to one single record which will be based on rules for current track bikes
+ Boardman, Obree's timings etc will be re-instated in the record books along with those of Moser, Indurain and Rominger
+ Bizarrely, the record time will remain at 49.700 by Ondřej Sosenka because that time was set within the rules of the time even thought it was slower than now valid times

1st up

(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2014/02/000_SAWH990312529390-658x440.jpg)

Ondřej Sosenka has been in the press saying he will have another go at the record this year, some time after Fabs I think.


Hour record regulations could see changes by mid-year (http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/02/bikes-and-tech/hour-record-regulations-could-see-changes-by-mid-year_318195)

Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on February 28, 2014, 12:18
Hang Cookson High !

The Hour is on a traditional bike, with the three-point rule and without air-penetration enhancement. Otherwise it does not mean anything.

Marcel Berthet would have held the record from 1929 to 1984 if any kind of bike was allowed.

Moser beat Merckx's record in 1994, at age 40. Meaningless ! 
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Blackbandit222 on February 28, 2014, 16:34
I'm excited by the HR Record being back in the news.  Let's just have a Big Show Down weekend with 8 TTers from different countries Durbo, Phinney, Malori, Fabs, Tuft, Wiggins or Dowsett, Martin and Kwaitkowski !!!!   :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on March 08, 2014, 13:45
I think it wouldn't be the same if Cancellara did the Hour under new rules. It wouldn't be as legendary as if he did it under Merckx conditions (old rules), and if they then change the rules, just did it again.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on April 15, 2014, 10:51
https://twitter.com/spokedoke/status/455991595020877824
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on April 15, 2014, 18:35
And that is why the heads of sports federations shouldn't just "say something".
I'll grant that Cookson makes fewer of these blunders than McQuaid (Pat had one per week), but even these few are too many.

Cancellara is the biggest star of cycling nowadays, and his Hour Record attempt could re-juvenate this almost-forgotten discipline. Instead of throwing sticks in his spokes, they should at least have a dialogue with him and his folks on how to manage this to the best for all sides.
Christ, it can't be that hard, can it? :fp
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Blackbandit222 on April 15, 2014, 19:06
I think it wouldn't be the same if Cancellara did the Hour under new rules. It wouldn't be as legendary as if he did it under Merckx conditions (old rules), and if they then change the rules, just did it again.

I hate to say it but I'm in favor of TT bikes!!  I grew up w/ Obree & Boardman and total obsurdity in terms of bikes.  I'm sure whatever Trek supplies him with will be relatively tame in comparison.  We should have a BM/AM record by that I mean Before & After Moser.

Honestly, it's like in Baseball when they try to support Babe Ruth's Home Run record!  The times have changed everything has advanced not just the bikes but training methods, etc.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on April 15, 2014, 19:57
Training methods mainly changed because equipment changed since the eighties but as I showed in several of my biographies, riders from the seventies already followed very advanced training methods.

About technology I'll try to expand on the arguments I touched upon above, which I think are hard to counter.

The UCI had already cancelled several attempts against the Hour record long before Moser.

We have the case of Marcel Berthet. It wasn't exactly cancelled because Berthet made his performances knowing full well the UCI wouldn't accept it but still...

In 1933, Marcel Berthet set hour performances of 48.600km and then 49.992km despite the age of 47. It means that he was faster than Merckx, Boardman 2000 and Sosenka.

Berthet rode on a stramlined bike, not sanctioned by the UCI of course and as I said he knew it before setting them. So it was just for fun.

(http://usrehoncyclo.wifeo.com/images/v/vel/velodyne-2.jpg)

In 1934, Francis Faure broke Oscar Egg's Hour record by more than 800m: 45.055km vs 44.247km. That time it was originally considered a new record before the UCI decided to cancel it (I think Egg lodged a complaint but that needs verif. ;))

(http://usrehoncyclo.wifeo.com/images/f/fau/faure-ar.JPG) 

My point is that first those two men set the first "best hour performances" as they are known today, though that label appeared long after their death.

..and second, more importantly, if the UCI had already acted against some new technology added to a bike in a long time past, why can't they act again? They had set precedents in the thirties, so why should they suddenly become more liberal?

After all lenticular wheels and funny bike frames were not sanctioned by the UCI in 1984, so normally, Moser's record is illegal. The problem is that the UCI acted 16 years later while they should've cancelled it straightway. But it remains that it was illegal and they should've done what they have done for Francis Faure.   

Edit: by the way, doesn't this thread belong to the track section?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on May 15, 2014, 14:38
The rules are being changed
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/hour-record-rule-change-athletes-hour-scrapped-123397 (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/hour-record-rule-change-athletes-hour-scrapped-123397)

basically
+ they are reverting to one single record which will be based on rules for current track bikes
+ Boardman, Obree's timings etc will be re-instated in the record books along with those of Moser, Indurain and Rominger
+ Bizarrely, the record time will remain at 49.700 by Ondřej Sosenka because that time was set within the rules of the time even thought it was slower than now valid times

So this opens the way for track bikes and modern technology to be used in hour attempts.

I guess some will say that this opens the way for Wiggins etc to tackle the hour, and with Boardman and Obree's times being re-instated Brian is showing some favouritism. On the other hand, this finally gets the hour record to a sensible state, and hopefully paves the way for it to get back some of its prestige by top riders of teh day attempting it.

In theory, Sosenka's time should now be very easy to beat, and getting him off top of the record books would maybe be a good thing all things considered.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: KeithJamesMc on May 15, 2014, 14:51
I would argue that Brian and his buddy have been listening to lobbying from Trek for Cancellara ;)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: M Gee on May 15, 2014, 15:36
I think it wouldn't be the same if Cancellara did the Hour under new rules. It wouldn't be as legendary as if he did it under Merckx conditions (old rules), and if they then change the rules, just did it again.

That would indeed be legendary! I think Canc could take both hour records.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on May 18, 2014, 05:40
Cancellara and Trek team put hour record attempt on hold due to change in UCI bike rules (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/05/cancellara-and-trek-team-put-hour-record-attempt-on-hold-due-to-change-in-uci-bike-rules/)

Wiggins interested in hour record (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-interested-in-hour-record)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on May 18, 2014, 21:33
So many people approving the reform is really beyond me !! They really have understanding of what it means. They really don't know the Hour Record means. Besides they all fail to give arguments to my Francis Faure jurisprudence.

There are no cycling fans anymore. There's no cycling anymore !
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on July 15, 2014, 10:12
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/fabian-cancellara-may-attempt-hour-record-world-championships-130239
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on July 15, 2014, 10:41
Great.
Spartacus, the Panzerwagen and Sir Wiggo all considering the biggest feat in cycling. The Hour is back, baby!

Now we only need someone to invest in enabling an interesting coverage of the attempts - split-screen comparisons with Merckx/Sosenka/Boardman/each other, calculations of time/distance to go, a packed velodrome etc.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on July 15, 2014, 10:47
He's to do it on an aerobike.

So no value in my eyes, regardless. Nothing to see, folks.  ;)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on July 15, 2014, 10:51
He's to do it on an aerobike.

So no value in my eyes, regardless. Nothing to see, folks.  ;)
Of course he is. He'd be stupid not to; it's allowed under the new rules.

Weren't you the one saying that the UCI (or whatever its predecessor was called) was stupid not to approve the records made in the 1930s on a fully streamlined bike? You have double standards, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on July 15, 2014, 10:57
On the contrary if I reminded you of these old facts (on this very thread), it's to show that the ban is justified. There were precedents before the 2000 ban. Aerodynamic gains have never been tolerated.

But of course if I'm saying something and people think I'm saying the opposite, I won't make myself understood.  :S
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on July 15, 2014, 11:00
On the contrary if I reminded you of these old facts (on this very thread), it's to show that the ban is justified. There were precedents before the 2000 ban. Aerodynamic gains have never been tolerated.

But of course if I'm saying something and people think I'm saying the opposite, I won't make myself understood.  :S
OK, point taken, I mis-remembered your earlier post.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on August 06, 2014, 16:42
Part of my upcoming Oscar Egg bio in which I discussed the performances by Berthet and Faure and the UCI's historical campaign against aerodynamics, the Moser performances which were illegal, the counter-reform of 2000 and the counter-counter-reform of 2014.

I fail to see how it can be disputed that the Hour Record should have strict rules with regards to aerodynamics. The contest was really falsified by Moser and the UCI's laxness. Wake up, "cycling fans" !

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1933 : New Technologies to Break Egg’s Hour

A)   Berthet’s Streamliner

By 1933 there were rumours of  a return to competition for Oscar Egg in order to reach the 50km mark in an hour with the new rocket bike that he manufactured: http://bentmania.free.fr/site/index.php/velo-couche/velo-couche/une-petite-histoire-du-velo.html

He never came back but old rival Marcel Berthet took it seriously and did go for it, at age 47 on a “streamliner”.

The story of these hour performances non-sanctioned by the UCI is VERY important as it gives historical background for the UCI’s decision (anno 2000) to cancel the “records” on aero-bikes since Francesco Moser in 1984 and rehabilitate the Merckx record and shows how absurd and anti-tradition the decision by the UCI in 2014 was to tolerate again “devices that cut wind resistance.”

But first we need to give some sort of historical perspective to Berthet’s new performances.

Already in the very first cycle races riders realized that drafting wheels cost a lot less effort to maintain the speed than leading. From that observation, some riders started racing behind motors or tandems, they were called stayers. Along came the first tandem-paced or motor-paced hour records, the latter exceeded 100km in 1913. http://bentmania.free.fr/site/index.php/velo-couche/velo-couche/une-petite-histoire-du-velo.html (in French)

The derny-paced hour record still exist today and is owned by Dutchman Maas van Beek, since 2012. Who in the cycling world would consider a motor-paced hour record as a genuine hour record? Nobody. Yet the aim of motor pacing is just the same as that of the modern aero-bikes: cutting wind resistance. Therefore, it should be logical for the UCI to treat the two the same way!

So by 1913 the magazine “L’illustration” reported that “the motor-paced Hour record exceeded 100km while the Hour record without pacemaker was only just 43km.” What is known today as the “Hour Record” has often been labeled “Hour Record without pacemaker” (“record de l’heure sans entraineur”). This fact illustrates once again that riders have never been entitled to all the most advanced technological devices in order to break the official Hour Record, unlike some liberal idealists might think, otherwise motor-pacing would be allowed in the same category as the official Hour Record!

However still in Autumn 1913 while he was the Hour record holder Marcel Berthet started working with an expert in aerodynamism and a pioneer in aviation: Étienne Bunau-Varilla.

Bunau-Varilla was an airplane pilot who took part in the first internetional air meeting in Reims in 1909 with a Farman biplane. It should be mentioned that French/British aviator Henri Farman was a cyclist and even a French stayer champion. So were the Wright brothers. Along with engineer Marcel Riffard, Bunau-Varilla designed the so-called “Vélo-Torpille” (Torpedo-bike) with a special removable fairing in order to cut wind resistance. The machine was nicknamed: “Berthet’s Egg” (!). Berthet broke several records with it in 1913:

250m in 17.4”
5km in 5’46”04
1km in 1’04” despite strong side wind and later in the same day in 1’02”. He broke the record by 8”, says an article from “Le sport illustré” http://veloretrocourse.proboards.com/thread/1056/maillots-tales-2-marcel-berthet The article noticed that Berthet was not even a sprinter and wonders what the likes of Gabriel Poulain, Frank Kramer or Léon Hourlier would have done with the same machine.

Egg set a world record for the 1km flying start at ~1'08", one year later.

On Christmas’ Eve Berthet raced a pursuit match against tandem riders Charron and Rousseau and improved is 5km record: 5’39”03.

Some German manufacturers like Göricke and Brennabor prepared their own versions of the Torpedo-bike and Germany’s Arthur Stellbrink broke Berthet’s record in Berlin in early 1914: 5’23”.

The UCI decided to stop the madness after that event and so article 31 of the UCI ruling in 1914 said:

Quote
"Les machines de tous types sont légales, équipées ou non de composants tels que changement de vitesse, roues libres, etc., à condition qu'elles fonctionnent seulement par la force de l'homme, qu'elles ne requièrent pas d'appendice ou dispositif pour réduire la résistance de l'air et qu'elles n'excèdent pas les dimensions de 2 mètres en longueur et 75 centimètres en largeur. Ceci s'applique aux machines à un seul cycliste qui occupent une seule file".

Which roughly translates :

« Machines of all kinds are legal, equipped or not of components such as gear shifting, freewheels, etc on the ground that they are functioning by the only strength of man, that it does not require any appendix or device to cut wind resistance and that it does not exceed a length of 2m and a width of 75cm. This applies to the machines with only one cyclist who occupies only one line.”

The records by Berthet are not completely cancelled though because the UCI would assign to them the label: “record with bike equipped with a device to cut wind resistance”. Doesn’t this label ring any bell? It’s roughly the same kind of labels that the UCI will apply to the post-Moser record in 2000: “Best Hour Performance”!

History repeats itself.

This website (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/aerodynamics.htm) confirms this fact:
“Starting from 1913 records were broken with aerodynamically faired racing cycles (5, 6). However, the governing body of bicycle racing, the Union Cycliste International (UCI), did not view these as regular records and tried to prevent any possible technical advantages to individual racers by changing the regulations. Racing should serve as a comparison of athetes, not a comparison of technology. Because of that the most important incentive to aerodynamic improvements to the bicycle was omitted going forward.”
His sources being:
1.   Gronen, Wolfgang: The History of Human Powered Land Speed Records. in: Third International Human Powered Vehicle Scientific Symposium. Proceedings. Indianapolis 1986. pp. 84 – 88
2.   Gronen, Wolfgang; Lemke, Walter: Geschichte des Radsports, des Fahrrades. Eupen 1978


All this story shows that Oscar Egg’s final record was the first one performed under the new rules. It means that he was not allowed any devices to cut wind resistance! This article would apply to EVERY Hour record from Egg 1914 till Merckx 1972 (+ between 2000 and 2013) but it was also valid in 1984 when Moser made his two hour performances in January 1984 and he broke it, which the UCI ignored.


A lot of people still think that Moser’s record was legal. On this CN article (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gallery-francesco-mosers-hour-record) a comment says: He broke no rules, he was fast, but I guess if he used a method later banned, all anyone can really say is that going really fast in that way is just not surprising or worthy of record holder status.”

Nothing could be wronger. Moser blatantly broke rules with his wheels: the spokes being “covered by carbon-fibre fairings to minimize air turbulence”: http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/?showtopic=29344
Besides his funny bike with a lower front wheel than back wheel is an obvious device to cut air resistance.

In 1984, article 31 of the UCI ruling of 1914, became article 49. When Moser broke his “record” Merckx lodged a complaint to the UCI via the Belgian federation because it broke articles 49 and 51 of the UCI ruling. The Belgian added that he was offered to race some disc wheels himself in his 1972 attempt but the UCI commissars refused it.

Here (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/aero/aerodynamics.htm) is another confirmation that aerodynamic gain were still not tolerated by the UCI in 1984 (even though this website does not mention Moser once but rather talks about the L.A. Olympics):

Starting in 1982 Kyle and others developed the technical configuration for the US Olympic Cycling Team for the '84 olympics in Los Angeles. Some aerodynamic components already existed beforehand, e.g. the aero helmets of the Czechoslovakian team. But now for the first time the complete system of the bicycle and rider was aerodynamically optimized. UCI regulations specify a conventional seating position and also forbid any aerodynamic accessories. Not forbidden, however, is the aerodynamic arrangement of functionally necessary components.
This means for example that covering a spoked wheel with plastic sheet is forbidden, since this has no basic function - it serves only aerodynamics. It is different however, if the wheel has so few spokes that it is not sufficiently stable in itself for racing applications and sufficient stiffness can be achieved only by the additional basic function of the disk (made from composite material).


Obviously the UCI rejected Merckx’s legitimate complaint at first. However 16 years later they finally realized that they had made a mistake, while in the meantime the record had been completely falsified (Théo Mathy said it multiple times on RTBF) and at everyone’s reach.

The debate for a (counter-)reform had started by October 1996, shortly before the World Championship, while Boardman made the final performance now labeled “Best Hour”. They issued the “Lugano Charter” which gave strict criteria for the Hour record: triangle frame, 16 spoke wheels of equal diameter etc and a helmet that should only be meant for safety without any devices or shape that intended to cut wind resistance: http://archives.lesoir.be/l-heure-la-plus-eprouvante-d-eddy-merckx-_t-20121020-0251YR.html (in French).

This charter was effective in 2000. When this (counter-)reform was enforced, everybody thought it was something new and that the UCI never had such rules before. We’ve just seen that it was just a modern version of its own ruling of 1914 and that all hour record between Oscar Egg and Eddy Merckx were set within the framework of that rule.

So when in 2014, President Cookson of the UCI decided to cancel this rule again, everybody in the cycling world, whether spectators or cyclists, were happy to see an “absurd” rule disappear. It shows how the cycling fans nowadays are ignorant of the sport’s history.

On May 2014 Wiggins told Cyclingnews: "We've lost a decade now of the hour record. It's a shame that they changed it. It's a shame, really, that we've missed maybe [Fabian] Cancellara doing it five or six years ago. So it's good I guess that they've gone back now." http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-interested-in-hour-record

It begs the question who ever stopped Wiggins from going for the Hour on a bike that fits with the rules, like all those past greats. Besides, Cancellara did not lose a record because of the rule against aerodynamics but he did lose a record on a traditional bike that he was preparing when incompetent Cookson decided to cancel the rule, encouraging Cancellara to postpone his attempt and to do it on a aero bikes, making his attempt worthless in any case!

"It kind of begs the question: Why did they change it in the first place?," Wiggins asked Saturday following stage 7 at the Tour of California.

Wiggins is a talented rider but he’s not a historian. The “change in the first place” occurred in 1984 and was consecutive to Moser’s illegal hour performances. The “Lugano Charter” was a back to the roots reform. It’s the UCI finally being in tune with itself and with its own rule that they set 100 years before Wiggins’ comments: article 31 of the 1914 UCI ruling when they defined for the first time what a real bike was, when they argued that the Hour contest should be a comparison between athlete performances and not between technologies, in the same way as the previously considered a motor-paced hour record as an unofficial hour record. All hour records ever since were broken within the context of that rule from Egg to Merckx, plus Boardman in 2000 and Sosenka (though a 50+ hematocrit rider).

There are no such things as an hour record being set with all the technology available since already Oscar Egg wasn’t allowed to the “vélo-torpille”/streamliner that Berthet had used for records on shorter distances…

Berthet did not intend to break the Egg hour since he knew in advance that the UCI would not sanction it as such. However they were official performances that fell under the category “Vélos spéciaux avec dispositif pour réduire la résistance de l'air" (“Bike with special devices to cut air resistance”).

Berthet had been retired from cycle races for many years but he called back engineer Marcel Riffard to design a new streamliner. These have evolved since 1913 and took several shapes. The one Berthet will use covers the whole bike to the bottom of the wheels. The front wheel was smaller than the rear wheel (just like Moser, 51 years later!). It was called “Vélodyne”.

The first attempt occurred in August 1933 on the Parc des Princes. He covered 48.6km. On September 9 he made a second attempt but a tyre blew and he crashed while heading towards the 52km. The third attempt occurred on November 19 1933 (while Egg’s record had already been broken) and he covered 49.922km. It’s more than the present-day record by Sosenka on a traditional bike! He was aged 47!

B)   Francis Faure’s Recumbent

The recumbent was an invention by French manufacturer Charles Mochet who first designed a  four-wheeled bike: "Human Powered Vehicle" (HPV) or vélo-car and then divided into two two-wheelers because it was too dangerous.

The story of Faure’s recumbent has been told in great details on this webpage (http://www.helsinki.fi/~tlinden/winforb.html):

On the racing side Mochet was looking out for a good rider to ride his new recumbent bike in cycling events. At first Mochet had Henri Lemoine, a pro cyclist, riding it. Henri was astonished at the comfort and how easy it was to steer. Even so, he couldn't be convinced to ride the Velocar in contests. Perhaps it was the ridicule of other cyclists that kept him from riding it in competition. In any case Henri Lemoine never entered a single cycling event on a recumbent bike, much to his loss.
Mochet's second choice of riders was Francis Faure, brother of the famous cyclist Benoit Faure[inaccurate, author’s comment]. Francis was a decidedly lesser rider than either Lemoine or his brother Benoit. But he was the first serious cyclist who really took an interest in Mochet's recumbent bike. After a few test rides he decided to enter a race riding it.
At the start this event the other riders laughed at him and said: "Faure, you must be tired and want to go to take a nap on that thing. Why don't you sit up upright and pedal like a man?" They quit laughing when Faure poured his annoyance into the pedals and left them all behind. They couldn't even get close to him. Afterwards they were upset that they couldn't even draft his funny bike. One after the other Francis Faure defeated every first-class track cyclist in Europe, taking advantage of recumbents' clear aerodynamic superiority.. The following year Faure was practically unbeatable in 5000 meter distance events. Even in races against three or four top riders, who would alternate pacing a leader, Faure would leave the Velodrome in the yellow jersey. Beside the successes on the track the Velocars and their riders won a lot of road races. Paul Morand, a road racer, won the Paris-Limoges in 1933 on a recumbent bike constructed by Mochet.
After Faure had established new world records on various short courses and other cyclists on recumbents had handily beaten their competitors at road races, Charles and George Mochet as well as Faure decided to attack the hour record, long considered the "ultimate" bicycling record. Mochet wanted to be sure that a record with his split Velocar would be acknowledged. He therefore queried the UCI (Union Cycliste International) in October 1932. He received a positive reply to his letter: "The Velocar has no add-on aerodynamic components attached so there is no reason to forbid it."

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We need to correct one thing. Francis Faure is not famous Benoit Faure’s brother. It comes from a mistake by the Miroir des Sports which reported the Six-Days of St-Étienne in 1930 where Benoit Faure was injured and replaced by his “brother Francis”.  http://www.france-hpv.org/francis_faure/index.htm

The response given by the UCI to Mochet is testament of a few things. First the recumbent does not have anything to do with research in aerodynamics. Second, the UCI at that time was OBSESSED with aerodynamics. Finally, the UCI already could not keep their promise but still who would consider an hour record on a recumbent as a proper hour record. So when Faure started his attempt, he clearly went for Egg’s record, unlike Berthet.

The website Helsinki.fi continues:

The 7th of July 1933 was to be the decisive historical day. Francis Faure rode 45.055 km (27.9 miles) in one hour on a Paris velodrome and thereby smashed the almost 20 year old record by Oscar Egg. Faure and Mochet's Velocar abruptly grabbed the media's attention. In journals and cycling magazines pictures of the record setting vehicles were being published. Soon questions were asked: Is this actually a bike? Will the Faure record be acknowledged? Will the common bike be obsoleted by the Velocar? Statements, interviews, comments and "political" cartoons all addressed this issue. […]

Rousseau, the French UCI commissioner, brought the issue back into focus. He stated that the UCI and its rules were intended to regulate races, define the legal length and breadth of the bicycle, to prohibit addon aerodynamic aids, but not to define the bicycle itself.
The other commissioners apparently disagreed, and designated a task force which would define, or in effect, re-define exactly what was or wasn't a bicycle. They then voted to recognize the (upright) record of Maurice Richard. Immediately thereafter the [new] definition of what constituted a sport bicycle was accepted by a 58-to-46 vote. The following rules would be in effect in UCI sanctioned racing from that point in history on:
•   The bottom bracket had to be between 24 and 30 centimeters above the ground.
•   The front of the saddle could only be 12 centimeters behind the bottom bracket.
•   The distance from the bottom bracket to the axle of the front wheel had to be between 58 and 75 centimeters.
According to these rules, a recumbent wasn't a bicycle, but something entirely different, despite having two wheels, a chain, handlebars, a seat, and human propulsion. The ruling would take effect on April 1, 1934. It was to be recumbents' darkest day. Faure's record was shuffled into a new category called: "Records Set By Human Powered Vehicles (HPV's) without Special Aerodynamic Features"
Embittered by the decision of the UCI, Charles Mochet wrote an appeal letter to the Union de Cycliste. No luck. Rumors at the time were that the decision "banning" recumbents had less to do with sportsmanship than with economics: The upright bicycle manufacturers and professional riders had money and contacts and together formed a powerful lobbing force.


So the performance by Francis Faure gave birth to a new category: "Records Set By Human Powered Vehicles (HPV's) without Special Aerodynamic Features". Again that category announces the one that the UCI coined in 2000 “Best Hour Performance”. Throughout the years and the decades, they acted the same way but how can we blame them for wishing a “comparison athletes”?

The story of Mochet and Francis Faure did not stop there. They would try to best the Berthet record in the category: “Record Set By Special Bike with Aerodynamic Device” (same source):
In 1938 Francis Faure and Georges Mochet decided to try to better the record of Marcel Berthet in the special class. Francis Faure also wanted to be the first cyclist to ride more than 50 kilometers in one hour. They produced a faired Velocar. The frame was modified: Faure sat lower and a smaller front wheel was installed to reduce drag.
On March 5, 1939, Faure rode 50.537 kilometers in one hour requiring under 4:15 minutes to circle the 4000 meter track!
[…] Francis Faure became the first cyclist to travel 50 kilometers in less than one hour without a pace vehicle. He rode 50.537 kilometers on the Vicennes Municipal Cycling Track. The press went wild, both in Europe and the U.S. Pictures of Francis Faure, Georges Mochet and the Velocar appeared in all the bicycling journals.



Illustrations

Marcel Berthet in the "vélo-torpille" in 1913:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RjdEOiWayMs/U2uqobiC87I/AAAAAAAAEu0/wS0UHATcUf8/w702-h542-no/*Berthet-torpille+BunauVarilla-1913-Gallica.jpg)

With Étienne Bunau-Varilla:

(http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6928192g/f1.highres)

Article of Le sport illustré (which we used to as source) about Berthet 1km performance:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-W5MP7LJYd7c/U4MOPh2M66I/AAAAAAAAFBY/YeH1lLSAjv8/w953-h730-no/**Berthet-invention.jpg)

Other picture of the "torpedo bike":

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N2XJyD8xDSg/U4MORGSXNKI/AAAAAAAAFB8/u4ZZbZl2p6w/w512-h732-no/**BunauVarilla-velo+torpille-1913-4.jpg)

The inside of the bike:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-heIWv8nomYk/U2uqpUDcY_I/AAAAAAAAEu8/PvovchOPE3Q/w1141-h777-no/*Berthet-torpille-1913-2.jpg)

Marcel Berthet in the "Vélodyne" in 1933, with which he made several hour performances:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GVDA6rG5tXc/U2uqygjHlxI/AAAAAAAAEwc/Pq5VusoSq1Y/w800-h486-no/*Berthet-velodyne-1933.jpg)

The attempt:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W4KHH9pxzCg/U2uq186xWzI/AAAAAAAAEwk/U9SA9xVgdg0/w923-h671-no/*Berthet-velodyne-1933-5.jpg)

Other picture:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kj9wmDNa4yQ/U2uquCEp2nI/AAAAAAAAEv8/QLnLQj9_Bw8/w350-h512-no/*Berthet-velodyne-1933-2.jpg)

An article in English:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2THXRZMvDUM/U2uqxXbBC8I/AAAAAAAAEwU/UMbOatnWSPo/w540-h782-no/*Berthet-velodyne-1933-4.jpg)

Francis Faure's recumbent:

(http://bikefix.co.uk/sites/default/files/faure.jpg)

The proof that Merckx lodged a complaint after Moser's Hour performances:

http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/?showtopic=29344

(http://www.clochette.co.uk/TTF/Scanned%20Articles/1984/84moserhourmk2merckx.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on September 03, 2014, 14:51
as announced by Popovych a couple of days ago...Jens Voigt will target the hour record

http://app.bronto.com/public/?q=preview_message&fn=Link&id=7854jrgel8vjepr0ivbzyr41ldb59&ssid=31334&t=3

http://www.trekfactoryracing.com/news/jens-voigt-targets-hour-record-september-18
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on September 03, 2014, 14:53
Voigt up 1st

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I'm going to target the Hour Record on September 18

Hello friends,
Jensie here. I have big news, and I want Trek Factory Racing fans to be the first to hear it from me:

On September 18 in Grenchen, Switzerland, I am going to attempt to break the hour record mark of 49,7 km, previously set by Ondrej Sosenka. It’s a huge challenge for me, both physical and mental. This is a huge project and probably it’s going to come as a surprise for many people. We have been doing some discrete tests in the velodrome in Roubaix prior to the Dauphiné and we believe that I have a fair chance.

It’s a fascinating event: it’s super hard, but it’s a great discipline. Man and machine against the clock. A lot of logistics comes in play: when, where, how, etc. But I didn’t have to convince anybody: both Trek and our GM Luca Guercilena were all exited when I told them about my idea. They gave me a lot of support. Luckily we could use some of the blueprints that were being drawn for Fabian, so we kind of hit the ground running.

I look at this as one last present for my fans. I want to give them something to smile about - before the final curtain falls. But also: I want to do a good performance. This is not a circus act. The ‘hour’ has lost some of its magic over the last years. Maybe my attempt could kick off a new round of hour-record attempts. I could establish a mark for everyone to give it a try. Make a bridge, you know. I raced against Boardman, Indurain and Sosenka. And I’m racing with Fabian and his generation. If I make it, it would be sandwiched between those names. I can pave the way for them. I have no illusion to keep the record once Fabian and other specialists start having a go. But I kind of like the idea of telling me grand children about it, when they sit on my lap when I’m 75.

Trek developed a really good bike for me, based on the super fast SpeedConcept, and we did some testing with different skin suits, helmets, positions, etc. I’m training very hard for the attempt. I have the Tour de France as a base layer and then I did some altitude racing in Utah and Colorado. My near-win in Colorado Springs, where I was caught with 700 meters to go, was a good reference in terms of power output. I basically was out there for one hour by myself. I had this attempt in mind that very day, besides taking the stage, of course.

Why I do this? Why not! Everyone saw the memo from the UCI. It’s been four months and I honestly find it quite strange that nobody has given it a try so far. We have 18 WorldTour teams, plus more than a 1000 pro continental riders and an immense group of amateurs that also can have a go. I’m not to blame that I take the chances that life - or in this case the UCI - gives me. I’m the first one that’s brave enough to do it. Everybody had the same time frame to be ready for it.

The hour record is one of the oldest events in our sport. I want to put a little bit of light and focus on this. The UCI wanted to give back some recognition to the event and I follow their reasoning. It will be no pleasure cruise, but I’m really convinced that I can make it. It’s never 100 percent sure, of course, but I worked hard and I will keep working hard until the day is there.

I always ride my best when you are cheering for me, so I'm asking you to cheer one more time. Join me at the Velodrome Suisse by getting tickets at the link below, or join the conversation on Twitter with #HourRecord.

Best,
Jens Voigt



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Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on September 03, 2014, 14:58
Ninja'd  :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on September 03, 2014, 15:12
Quote
MEDIA RELEASE

HOUR RECORD ATTEMPT WITH JENS VOIGT / TREK FACTORY RACING

On Thursday evening, September 18th, the professional cyclist Jens Voigt from Trek Factory Racing will try to improve the hour record at the Velodrome Suisse in Grenchen, Switzerland as last big step of his career.

The hour record is one of the most prestigious in cycling. The first hour record with 35,325 km was set 1893 by the founder of the Tour de France, Henri Desgrange. The current record is at 49.700 km set in 2005 by Ondrej Sosenka.

Jens Voigt is already a legend of the sport and with this record will retire on top of the world.

Welcoming this announcement, UCI President Brian Cookson said: “I'm delighted that one of the most popular riders of the modern era, Jens Voigt, is going to make an attempt on this, the most iconic of all the UCI's records. It is exactly what we hoped would happen when we changed the rules earlier this year to allow the use of modern track bike design and technology. Jens has proven over a long career to be one of the very best riders at the long lone effort, and cycling fans around the world will be delighted with this news. Having been present myself at two previous Hour records, I'm sure his attacking style and willingness to commit himself 100% will provide a superb spectacle. And, like Jens, I too am hoping that this will be the beginning of a new wave of interest in 'The Magic Hour', as it was known in a previous golden era of our sport.”

The agenda for the hour record:

5.30pm: doors open
6pm: interviews and entertainment
7pm: start of the hour record
8pm: finish race, afterwards interviews
Around 9pm: end of event

The event is organized by IMG, the global leader in sports, fashion and media.

Public and hospitality
tickets are available Cycling fans can follow this hour record attempt live on site. Tickets are available on the website www.velodromesuisse.ch for CHF 25.- but also on site with an addition of CHF 3.-
.
As a special offer there are hospitality tickets available which can be booked on the website as well and which contains access to the Velodrome Suisse hospitality area with best view to the track and an exclusive catering.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on September 03, 2014, 15:15
Jens just tweeted they are trying to get a live stream set up
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on September 03, 2014, 15:59
JENS!
What a legend.

Didn't get that last breakaway victory in Utah or Colorado - just goes for The Hour instead.
:pray
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on September 03, 2014, 16:28
:pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on September 10, 2014, 10:46
https://twitter.com/Eurosport/status/509633835437674496
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on September 10, 2014, 11:06
I love the fact that - rather than talk about it for months and months - Jens has basically said, "yes, I'll have a go. How's next week for you?"

I really want him to get it, and then for no-one else ever to attempt it, and then for Trek to build a statue of Jens in every city in the world.

OK, getting carried away a bit there...
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on September 10, 2014, 23:33
This better be on after 4 pm CEST.

Otherwise I'll just have to take some hours off work. How often do you get to see a legend go out with a bang, no matter which way?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on September 10, 2014, 23:49
the "race" starts at 7, as mentioned above
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on September 10, 2014, 23:50
the "race" starts at 7, as mentioned above
I should learn to read. :fp

Excellent. Time to make a strict schedule, unplug the phone and excuse myself from any activities that might happen next Thursday. :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Francois the Postman on September 16, 2014, 13:00
OK, hold that referundum!

Right, so that's the holy trinity of a family birthday, an independence vote and now Jens having at go at the Hour.

Talk about icing on the cake: consider Thursday booked!

And I will have to find a way to insert a small lecture on the benefits of the Hour into discussions with both Aye and Nae sayers over the coming 2 days.

Pretty miffed that we have dropped the Hour bike restrictions and I will keep throwing a small hissy fit every time someone even mentions wattage output meters. But at least it is the Hour again. A different one. But most certainly a 3600 seconds long Hour. Unless using the Laws of Relativity to get a slight advantage on the clock is also becoming a UCI sanctioned allowable new development.

I guess I am gonna leave the old Hour the fond memory it was, and treat Jens's attempt as the first of "The Hour v2". Some way to bow out. Lovin' it. 

Go Jens! Make that clock hurt!
 
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: M Gee on September 17, 2014, 21:34
and the drum roll begins

prrrrrrrrr -- drrrrrrrrrrr . . .
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: M Gee on September 17, 2014, 21:45
Training methods mainly changed because equipment changed since the eighties but as I showed in several of my biographies, riders from the seventies already followed very advanced training methods.

 . . .

Are you referring to what you have written in the VR "Archives" section? If yes - I will have to head over there and read them. Although I agree that riders in the seventies were following very advanced training methods, I also think there have been some significant advancements in the science of sports physiology since then. So I'd like to read what you've got, if its there!

:)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on September 17, 2014, 21:59
so...what can we expect here? Popovych said he is not prepared for this, but we can surely expect the "record" to be crushed very soon? Someone on cn calculated a ~380 Watt average is enough with the new equipment, so we can even expect Jens to get this record fairly "easy" I think?!
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on September 17, 2014, 22:06
Trek give us the lowdown on Jens Hour attempt!! (http://www.trekfactoryracing.com/news/hour-record-twitter-qa)


To answer your question Search..

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Q: @Bike_ABK6: What average wattage will Jens target?

A:  370 watts average will likely be the result, but his goal is based on distance, not power.


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Q: @Nickd39: What if he falls or suffers a mechanical?

A: He may choose to continue, after a bike change, or to stop the attempt. Whether he chooses to continue depends on how far into the ride he is.

 

Q: @ZacharyAllison: Is Jens' bike a true track bike, or a modified road bike?

A: While it is based on the Trek Speed Concept, there are many modifications to the bike, including a different rear end. We had to have it approved by the UCI as a unique design.

 

Q: Many people asked - What does the bike weigh?

A: 8,150g (just under 18 lbs)

 

Q: @sufferfest: Can he see his wattage? Q: @JHLudlum: How about using an earpiece?

A: He cannot see live power data, per UCI-standard track-racing rules, but he can record it for later analysis. We've worked closely with SRM to keep his 55-tooth crank setup freshly calibrated so we can get a lot of information from this attempt. He cannot have an earpiece, but is allowed one person on the side of the track to give him verbal coaching.



And most importantly of all...

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Q: @BWSimons: What’s on Jens’ 60-minute playlist?

A: We asked him, and this is what he said:

Warmup:

REO Speedwagon "Keep on loving you"
Brian Adams "Summer of 69"
Journey "Wheel in the sky"
Air supply "Making Love out of Nothing at All“
Metallica "Turn the page"
Hour Record:

Republica "Ready to go"
P.O.D. "Feel so alive"
Metallica "One"
AC/DC "Hells Bells"
AC/DC "Highway to hell"
Farmerboys "Here comes the pain"
Ugly Kid Joe "Goddam Devil"
AC/DC "Thunderstruck"
Black Sabbath "Paranoid"
Metallica “Frayed ends of sanity"
Europe "Final Countdown"
Cooldown:

Metallica "Nothing else matters"
Cranberries "Zombie"
Kansas "Dust in the wind"
Air Supply "All out of love"
Lita Ford/ Ozzy Osbourne "Close my eyes forever"
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: M Gee on September 17, 2014, 22:09
Yeah - I checked out some of that song list - I can tell Jens is not in my generation I guess. :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on September 17, 2014, 23:25
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/09/obree-on-the-hour-record-it-is-a-whole-phenomenon-rebooted/

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“I think it is fabulous for a couple of reasons,” Obree told CyclingTips this week. “Firstly, it is good because it is a rejig of the current record, using a state of the art pursuit bike, and also because it would mean that Sosenka, the convicted drug cheat, doesn’t hold it any more.”

[...]


“Whoever does it first is always going to do 49.7 because of the bike and because it is three kilometres less than I did in Bordeaux,” he said. “So there is no way that Jens Voigt is not going to break the world record. He is going to set out a time that other folk can then in turn attack. He is a respectable rider and others will then take his record on.

“It gives a credibility in that other people will be able to attack a valid record set by a respected rider. It brings the record alive again.”

[...]

“It would be nice to see him doing more than Moser did in Mexico City. That is the modern era benchmark,” he said, referring to the 51.151 kilometres covered by the Italian on January 23 1984. “I would think he can do about 51 kilometres, which would be a respectable ride.”

[...]

“I think Bradley is probably capable of…I would reckon three kilometres more than Jens. Yeah, I think 54 kilometres,” he suggested.

“If you compare that modern era, if you look at the bike Indurain used, then 52, 53, 54 is a benchmark of what you can do on that without having Dr. Conconi on the case. You have got to remember that the 90s saw road cycling endemic with drug taking.

“So I think 52, 53, 54 kilometres…Chris Boardman stepped up the hour record the first time and then before he joined the road scene, he did 52.2 or something like that.

“That was what Boardman was capable of at that point in time. We were going neck and neck. I stepped up and did 52.7. Indurain did 53, just over 53. So that gives you an idea of kind of where the ballpark is here.”
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on September 18, 2014, 04:40
Pinotti was asked if he thought about having a go

@fabrizioviani I had already honest and good career. No needs for me to do circus for my ego.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on September 18, 2014, 14:03
Are you referring to what you have written in the VR "Archives" section? If yes - I will have to head over there and read them. Although I agree that riders in the seventies were following very advanced training methods, I also think there have been some significant advancements in the science of sports physiology since then. So I'd like to read what you've got, if its there!

:)

The Monseré thread. Though I don't have much credit for that. Mark Van Hamme made a brilliant biography of the late Jean-Pierre Monseré in which he insisted a lot on his very advanced training methods. :)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: M Gee on September 18, 2014, 14:48
 - - - Please Stand by.                     3:12:02

We might have a live link from the UCI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjjM2tI6THs

it says some geo restrictions - but I've got the countdown timer at least
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: M Gee on September 18, 2014, 14:49
I like this quip in the comments on that page:

"Jens Voigt doesn't get road rash, the road gets Jens Rash"
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: M Gee on September 18, 2014, 16:51
Jens jokes may get to be a small vogue!

shut up hour

Jens Voigt doesn't get road rash, the road gets Jens Rash.

Domestiques try to see how many bottles they can carry back from the team car. Jens Voigt tries to see how many team cars he can carry back to the peloton.

Jens Voigt can only motorpace once a week because the scooter needs 6 rest days to recover.

Once the CSC team bus broke down and Jens Voigt had to push it. French police pulled them over and detained the team for more than hour before letting Jens go with just a speeding ticket.

Jens no longer has a shadow because he dropped it repeatedly until it climbed into the Saxo Bank team car claiming a stomach ailment and retired.

Jens Voigt has never been in a breakaway. But he has successfully dropped the peloton on a number of occasions.

After a race stage, the team mechanic takes Jens Voigt's bike out back and shoots it to put it out of its misery.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on September 18, 2014, 19:09
51.115 km jeepers ( I think that is right)

that was better to watch than I expected,  All the docos I have seen have much more around and the ride
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: M Gee on September 18, 2014, 19:11
A few more Jensies worth recording:

He's actually been told not to cycle too fast as Jens can affect the rotation of the earth.

Jens is so powerful that scientists from CERN are using the data for his laps for particle acceleration tests.

Jens Voigt and Superman once fought each other on a bet. The loser had to start wearing his underwear on the outside of his pants.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on September 18, 2014, 23:08
Mentioned this in the chatbox but it bears restating: saying that Jens 'broke' the hour record today is pretty silly. He rode 1415m further in an hour than someone who was using a vastly inferior bike and riding position ten years ago. If you compare his distance to other riders using aero positions you have to go back to Moreno Moser thirty years ago to find a time when the record was shorter than what Jens managed.

What Jens did today was set a baseline for the 'modern' hour record, and ring in what Cookson at least hopes will be a new era of activity for the hour record. I can't imagine that a Fabian Cancellara or a Bradley Wiggins would have much trouble at all beating Voigt's mark.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on September 18, 2014, 23:29
What Jens did today was set a baseline for the 'modern' hour record, and ring in what Cookson at least hopes will be a new era of activity for the hour record. I can't imagine that a Fabian Cancellara or a Bradley Wiggins would have much trouble at all beating Voigt's mark.

no, of course not, I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them go ~5% further - because that's probably what they are, at least 5% better than him (no one would be surprised to see Voigt finishing ~3 minutes behind Tony Martin in a usual 60 minute time trial at least).

Sporting wise today's result has not much relevance, it mainly was a fantastic promotion for Trek - and (although Echoes will not agree), in a way also for cycling in general.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: M Gee on September 19, 2014, 03:55
no, of course not, I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them go ~5% further - because that's probably what they are, at least 5% better than him (no one would be surprised to see Voigt finishing ~3 minutes behind Tony Martin in a usual 60 minute time trial at least).

Sporting wise today's result has not much relevance, it mainly was a fantastic promotion for Trek - and (although Echoes will not agree), in a way also for cycling in general.

I heartily agree! EXCEPT the bolded bit - today's effort was hugely relevant. And I do not agree that it was mainly a promotion for Trek - it was first a promotion for the UCI and cycling "as an audience sport on tv" in general. Trek would come in 3rd, in that competition, in my estimation, but it WAS a promotional event for Trek. Trek has a lot of ground to recover, and it seems their team is doing a good job of it. Between the Jens "retirement" bike, and this event - they have gained a lot of publicity. POSITIVE publicity. Granted, they need more if they are ever to regain me as a customer (I used to race on a Trek, but this is the first time I've admitted it in at least a decade).

As to relevance? Was Graeme Obree relevant? Chris Boardman copied his techniques, so I would guess he IS relevant. If they were relevant, then Jens is relevant. I want to preacher-up, and admonish, "Quit being so negative! Lighten up! To move FORWARD, you have to first MOVE!" (end of lecture).

Could we use more categories of hour records? Imo, YES!! :)  You know, I agree that it would be nice to have a "level playing field" area in terms of technology - that would be great! But I've decided not to be dogmatic about this - as at least we are back in the public eye, and in a positive light.

Besides, Jens put in a beautiful effort today! Massively great! He REALLY played on his talents to put together this effort. Job well done.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: L'arri on September 19, 2014, 09:01
Yeah, I would like to see a few more attempts at the Hour now. It has been too long in abeyance and there are several riders around today who could put some serious distance on the clock, Martin especially.

The best we can hope for is that the manufacturers fancy the tilt. Trek will back Cancellara and, if we're lucky, make Specialized jealous enough to put pressure on the German.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: killswitch on September 19, 2014, 19:16
... you have to go back to Moreno Moser thirty years ago to find a time when the record was shorter than what Jens managed...
Well, that explains his dip in form and bad recent results.  :shh
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2014, 06:22
Phinney has mentioned it as well

So BMC might want the limelight for a while
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: batchuba on September 21, 2014, 21:40
Jens jokes may get to be a small vogue!

shut up hour

Jens Voigt doesn't get road rash, the road gets Jens Rash.

Domestiques try to see how many bottles they can carry back from the team car. Jens Voigt tries to see how many team cars he can carry back to the peloton.

Jens Voigt can only motorpace once a week because the scooter needs 6 rest days to recover.

Once the CSC team bus broke down and Jens Voigt had to push it. French police pulled them over and detained the team for more than hour before letting Jens go with just a speeding ticket.

Jens no longer has a shadow because he dropped it repeatedly until it climbed into the Saxo Bank team car claiming a stomach ailment and retired.

Jens Voigt has never been in a breakaway. But he has successfully dropped the peloton on a number of occasions.

After a race stage, the team mechanic takes Jens Voigt's bike out back and shoots it to put it out of its misery.


You had me at "shut up hour".
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: batchuba on September 21, 2014, 21:45
today's effort was hugely relevant.

Besides, Jens put in a beautiful effort today!

Much as I like auld Jensie, I have to disagree.

With sufficient technological gumption, our collective Mom's could have broken the Hour record all on the same Unicycle going up a 20% gradient.

Its completely meaningless.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on September 24, 2014, 16:24
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-considers-hour-record-attempt-comeback

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-to-target-hour-record-in-2015
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 02, 2014, 12:29
Apparently the man moutain wants to have a go for real now, only issue as Fus said and twitter and i was about to, he needs ABP and then there ks the darkside issues

https://twitter.com/SadhbhOS/status/517620120060170240
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 17, 2014, 09:33
Alex whereabouts Rasmussen plans to have a go at the record 2015
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 22, 2014, 10:18
Next up #iam M Brändle 

When 30th Octobet

Where UCI track in *ch

so Scott step into the hour record battleground

http://www.sudinfo.be/1130135/article/2014-10-22/deja-un-concurrent-pour-jens-voigt-l-autrichien-matthias-braendle-s-attaquera-au
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 23, 2014, 11:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47bmQXlU5fU
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on October 23, 2014, 16:23
Clever & inevitable idea to go for it as soon as possible before the big guns raise the bar too high.
It may end up being a race now between riders like Brandle, Rasmussen etc to get their attempts in before Wiggins, Martin & Fabian.
It will also give us a fair indication as to how high the bar can go & just how good a ride Jens did do.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on October 23, 2014, 16:39
Can anyone explain to me what Dr Hutch means when he tweets about the UCI track being a bad choice because it's 200m? Would the shorter lap make it harder work?

Voigt did it on a standard 250m track, right? As is Aguascalientes which is where Hutch reckons the big guns will go for it (for reasons of altitude, temperature, etc.)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: DB-Coop on October 23, 2014, 18:11
Can anyone explain to me what Dr Hutch means when he tweets about the UCI track being a bad choice because it's 200m? Would the shorter lap make it harder work?

You lose some power in the turn as you push against the track and turn your momentum, the longer the track the less angles you turn per meter meaning you lose less power.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on October 23, 2014, 18:27
You lose some power in the turn as you push against the track and turn your momentum, the longer the track the less angles you turn per meter meaning you lose less power.

Yeah, that makes sense. Also why Hutch was on about Aguascalientes - which is actually a 330m track, I have just discovered.

So why would Brändle pick a 200m track, then? Even if we assume that Jens' benchmark was not high, Matthias is giving himself extra work to do to match it, let alone beat it? Is there a significance to it being the UCI velodrome? Because IAM - as a Swiss team - would surely be equally happy at the same velodrome where Jens went (the name of which momentarily escapes me)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on October 23, 2014, 20:01
IAM is a company from Geneve and the team is based in Nyon, so it probably was their decision to do it on a track situated in the Romandie as well.

The website of the track (http://www.accv.ch/temp/141030_rec_heure.htm) says about it

IAM Cycling n’a pas choisi la piste du Centre Mondial du Cyclisme (CMC) à Aigle, où l’entrée sera libre, par hasard. Etablie à Nyon depuis ses grands débuts, fin janvier 2013, dans le peloton des professionnels, l’équipe suisse souhaite encore affirmer un peu plus, si besoin était, son attachement à la Romandie et aussi à l’organisation faîtière du cyclisme.

[...]

Pour IAM Cycling, il s'agit là d'un point crucial pour IAM Cycling. Effectuer la tentative sur la piste construite dans les jardins de l'UCI lui donne des garanties de visibilité lors de l'événement tout en faisant entrer IAM Cycling dans l’histoire du record de l'heure. Une synergie pourrait également voir le jour et inciter les responsables de l’UCI de pousser d’autres candidats à venir tenter leur chance sur cette même piste.


so that sounds like the UCI appreciated the decision to do it on the track in their headquarter's backyard as well
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on October 23, 2014, 20:30
I think its mainly a swiss velodrome for a swiss team, partly for local coverage but theres also the cost. Lugging the bike and support team halfway across the world, getting there early to train and get used to altitude etc, all mounts up.

This is the age of budget hour records.

personally, i dont think the attempt should be allowed on tracks longer than 250m. there has to be some sort of level playing field for those who can afford the travel and those who are budget restricted.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on October 23, 2014, 22:29
For years not a single WT pro even considered a go at The Hour.
Then Cancellara started talking about it, but eventually put it on standby after the rule change, giving Jens the first shot at it, a nice retirement event and, most importantly, a bunch of benchmarks for his own attempt that will follow later.

Now Brändle is going for it as well. Alex Rasmussen is planning it, Quaade isn't dismissing it out of hand, Wiggins is interested as well ... I love it.

The Hour is back.
The UCI should consider including the Hour Record on the WT/Conti points scales. Maybe with a number of points awarded to every rider attempting it, and extra points awarded for the fastest rides at the end of each season?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 26, 2014, 01:29
Now Brändle is going for it as well.
Yes, but didn't Jens essential render the Hour record as somewhat meaningless now?

We had heard, for years, from Eddy Merckx as to just how difficult the Hour Record was. He had warned Cancellara about the grueling nature of it, and how Merckx himself could barely walk for a few days afterwards.

And yet Jens, after beating the record, got off his bike with all the concern of having just had a massage. Clearly, it seemed, that if Jens had so easily dispatched the record, then any number of other riders could've done so just as easily. Better equipment and rule changes to blame for all this? I suppose, but it will take more than Jens owing the record for me to care about this.

In other news... :P
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BMC Racing's Taylor Phinney said he may attempt to break the Hour Record as part of his recovery from the season-ending leg fracture sustained at the US national championships in May.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-considers-hour-record-attempt-comeback (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-considers-hour-record-attempt-comeback)

I wouldn't mind seeing Taylor displace Jens as the record holder, but this is what it seems to be reduced to:
"as part of his recovery."


That's a far cry from:
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"It's very, very hard," he said. "I couldn't walk for a few days after I did it. That's how hard it is."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/merckx-warns-cancellara-about-the-hour-record (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/merckx-warns-cancellara-about-the-hour-record)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on October 27, 2014, 09:15

The Hour is back.

It's not back it's dead.

Only the "performances" remain. Until somebody finds good counter-arguments to my reasoning. What looks like the Hour record today is just a travesty.

Found an interesting article about Boardman. It's not that new (2013 when Cancellara decided to go for the real Hour) but very interesting. Many things I didn't know.

http://roadcyclinguk.com/racing/chris-boardman-backs-fabian-cancellara-to-break-hour-record-but-calls-on-uci-to-set-more-stringent-rules.html (http://roadcyclinguk.com/racing/chris-boardman-backs-fabian-cancellara-to-break-hour-record-but-calls-on-uci-to-set-more-stringent-rules.html)

Chris Boardman backs Fabian Cancellara to break hour record but calls on UCI to set more stringent rules

British legend reveals thinking behind his own successful attempt in 2000


His battle with Graeme Obree during the 1990s for the hour record defined a generation of British cycling and pushed the limits of bicycle design.

It is little surprise, then, that Chris Boardman now heads his own bicycle brand and Boardman Bikes unveiled their 2014 Elite Series range on the 31st floor of London’s Centre Point tower earlier this month.

However, the British legend hopes innovation and technology will be cast aside when Swiss star Fabian Cancellara attempts to break the hour record next year.

 Chris Boardman claims to be involved in ‘every nut and bolt’ at Boardman Bikes, but hopes technology will not play a part in Fabian Cancellara’s hour-record attempt
Boardman and Obree’s records, achieved with tri-bar extensions and a radical ‘superman’ position, were later reclassified by the UCI as ‘best human efforts’, as cycling’s governing body insisted any future attempts be made on a standard bike like that used by long-standing record-holder Eddie Merckx.

Boardman responded by breaking the Belgian’s 28-year mark, on a bike fitting strict criteria, by just ten metres – setting a new record of 49.441km shortly before his retirement in 2000.

Only one man – Czech rider Ondrej Sosenka – has broken the record since, riding 49.7km in 2005, and it is this mark that Classics king Cancellara will target next year, according to reports in La Gazzetta Dello Sport.

Boardman, however, hopes the UCI will seize the opportunity to regain a firm grip on the rules of the hour record, in order to set a mark to last the ages – as he and manager Roger Legeay hoped would happen after his 2000 attempt.

Boardman told RoadCyclingUK: “It was a project that was first conceived in 1993 while researching an attempt on the ‘standard’ hour in Bordeaux.

“A ‘technology-free’ attempt was subsequently forgotten about and then revived in 2000 by my then-boss, Roger Legeay.

“His rational was that, as I’d been one of the two riders (the other being Graeme Obree) held rightly responsible for pushing the technological limits of the time, establishing a mark that had nothing to do with technology and was just about the athlete seemed poetic, sort of tidying up before I left
.

“Also, after the mess of the Festina affair in 1998 we requested the UCI take and store blood and urine samples for future testing specifically to create a mark that cycling fans could believe at face value. Sadly the UCI of the time didn’t see the value in this, something I’m sure they now regret!

Fabian Cancellara will bid to break the hour record next year according to reports in Italy
“I hope this element can be added in now as combined, the goal of establishing a record that allowed comparison between athletes 30 years past or 30 years in the future could be truly realised – ‘The Athletes Hour’.”

Although initially a private exercise, Legeay kept the UCI informed of Boardman’s attempt in 2000 to ensure they would properly recognise it.

However, to Boardman’s frustration, the governing body of the time later took control.


He explained: “What most people won’t know is that when we started on the project, it was an entirely private exercise but Roger was keen that the UCI recognise it so kept them in touch. Fine by me.

“Sadly, near the end they decided to ‘take charge’ of the event and adopt it as their own invention, which would also have been fine by me had they not decided to start messing with the super-simplistic rules we had set out for ourselves, or anyone else that would follow.”

Such rules included limits on the bike – which had to be metal and of a traditional tubed design – with all the tubes strictly round, and no smaller than 25mm, except for stays and forks.

Aero sections were to be banned, while the wheels used all had to be spoked with a minimum 18 on the front and 24 on the back – all measuring no more than 2mm in diameter.

The weight of the bike was also not to exceed 6.8kg. “It seemed if you have to pick a mark that was as good as any for this exercise,” said Boardman


Boardman is backing the Classics star Fabian Cancellara, pictured winning Paris-Roubaix for the third time, to break the hour record.
Position and clothing for the attempt were to be controlled using the UCI’s guidance for the points race, although Boardman and Legay’s proposal for no helmets – “the human head isn’t going to change shape in the next few million years” – was over-ruled.

Boardman added: “By and large though, the overriding philosophy behind this event was that those attempting it respect the whole point of it.

“It was to be a mark set without the aid of progressive technology, one that is completely about the rider and in such a way as to allow direct comparison between athletes regardless of the date or even era the attempt is made.

“In the years immediately after my retirement, when I saw the record attempted with no stringent doping controls that kept samples, and aero seatposts and forks used, I was really disappointed that those who had been left in charge of this event had immediately lost sight of why it was established in the first place.

“It would be great if the new UCI establishment got a firm grip on the rules for this potential Monument and defended them rigorously, and as Cancellara’s attempt is set to take place next spring, they haven’t got long to get on top of it.

“If they don’t then it will be a tragic waste of an opportunity to create something quite beautiful, a single athletic mark in a time of massive uncertainty, that the fans can believe in at face value, something everyone could desperately use right now.”

Nevertheless, Boardman is still pleased the record is set to end up back in the spotlight next year.

He said: “I was delighted to hear that Fabian Cancellara was to attempt the athletes hour record as if they are not attempted, preferably by the very best in the sport, records just gather dust and die.

“As for whether he can do it? I have no doubt a rider of his calibre can take the record and, in doing so, make it the Monument it should be – I’m rooting for him!”

Discuss in the forum

For more information on Boardman Bikes, or to see their 2014 range, visit www.boardmanbikes.com (http://www.boardmanbikes.com)


Read more at http://roadcyclinguk.com/racing/chris-boardman-backs-fabian-cancellara-to-break-hour-record-but-calls-on-uci-to-set-more-stringent-rules.html#ZoShJB6Wfz1VYgq8.99 (http://roadcyclinguk.com/racing/chris-boardman-backs-fabian-cancellara-to-break-hour-record-but-calls-on-uci-to-set-more-stringent-rules.html#ZoShJB6Wfz1VYgq8.99)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on October 27, 2014, 09:41
It's not back it's dead.
You have your opinion, and I completely respect that.

I just happen to have a different opinion - whether it's because the heyday of The Hour was before I got into cycling, because I'm just easily excitable, or because I'm brainwashed by the Cookson's minions doesn't really matter: I won't change my opinion anytime soon.

You think that the UCI's rule change killed the traditional Hour - fair enough, I can even follow you on that to some degree.
But I think that before the rule change, even Cancellara was only 'considering' an attempt; now we have had Voigt do it, Brändle will do it soon, and many others have expressed a serious interest. In my opinion the rule change hasn't killed The Hour, it has reinvigorated it.

Let's agree to disagree on this issue, and enjoy the athletic performances under the current rules. Whether we call them 'Hour Records' or 'Best Human Performance under UCI rules' is a semantic problem that needn't lead us into a quarrel.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 27, 2014, 10:57
I agree Fus the Hour is not dead, it is just changed

I would rather watch and read about attempts that sit around a bar and talk about the old days, when things were always better
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on October 27, 2014, 11:17
Yeah always the same catchphrase from those who have no arguments.

"You are nostalgitards", "You are living in the past", "Grampa stories", etc etc. I pity you. If you can just read what I'm saying you'd quickly see it doesn't hold for a penny.

Or in order to please you, I might just share this line from a Bob Seger song: "Call me a relic, call me what you will, say I'm old-fashioned say I'm over the heels. Today's music ain't got the same soul, I like that old time rock & roll" :P

By the way it's just amazing that many here are bashing the UCI when it suits them but then when it matters they would always swear allegiance to whom it should.
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Many riders are interested in that "performance" now because it's within reach for many second-tier riders (provided the sponsors can pay for it, of course, that's an aspect that many of you ignore). Once Martin makes his "performance", nobody will ever go for it again...

The greatness of the Hour record was its rarety. Only Cancellara interested in it (the real Hour) is what would have been so great about it. Sadly ... 
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on October 27, 2014, 15:39
"You are nostalgitards", "You are living in the past", "Grampa stories", etc etc. I pity you. If you can just read what I'm saying you'd quickly see it doesn't hold for a penny.
I don't think I said this anywhere. Please do read my actual words.

By the way it's just amazing that many here are bashing the UCI when it suits them but then when it matters they would always swear allegiance to whom it should.
When the UCI discussed the rule change, I was against it. I wanted The Hour to be ridden under the old rules, on a Merckx-style bike[1].
But, for better or worse, it is the UCI that makes the rules. I can disagree with them, I can strive to change them, but I have to at least acknowledge them and take them into account.
And in my opinion there is no turning back now that Voigt has set a new benchmark. That can be applauded or beweeped, but it is a fact. And under these circumstanes I'd much rather follow the attempts that are to come than try to roll back the tide.

Many riders are interested in that "performance" now because it's within reach for many second-tier riders (provided the sponsors can pay for it, of course, that's an aspect that many of you ignore). Once Martin makes his "performance", nobody will ever go for it again...

The greatness of the Hour record was its rarety. Only Cancellara interested in it (the real Hour) is what would have been so great about it. Sadly ...
Sosenka? Hutchinson? That British dude whose name I don't even know who got stopped by Cookson inventing a bio-passport requirement?


Whatever I say, I won't convince you - and the other way around. Let's leave it at that, and use the thread to cover the actual athletic performances that are made.
 1. and please don't reply to say it isn't a Merckx-style - that's just the shortest way to refer to a particular bike setup, and everyone knows what is meant
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 27, 2014, 17:02
Yeah always the same catchphrase from those who have no arguments.

Total lack of respect for other participants in the debate.

People do have an argument, regardless of whether you concur with it.  Your beef is not with us, it is with those who have exercised the authority to change regulations.  If you want to be rude and dismissive, go and take that attitude with them.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Echoes on October 28, 2014, 10:56
and please don't reply to say it isn't a Merckx-style - that's just the shortest way to refer to a particular bike setup, and everyone knows what is meant.

I reply to say that! Guess you are reading my comments on CN because I don't recall saying this here. The shortest way to refer to this particular bike setup is to say "normal bike."

"Merckx-style bike" is an Anglo trick to show that that kind of bikes is not the normal bike and now on CN everybody seem inclined to believe that the counter-reform of 1996 was caused by Merckx's personality, which is staggering! In my language I've never heard it that way. Only on Anglophone websites ...

Quote from:  Armchair Cyclist
Total lack of respect for other participants in the debate.

Caricaturing my comments by saying "talk about the old days, when things were always better", is that showing respect for a partipiant inn a debate you think?

The worst insult for me. I'll always get angry when I'm reading such things. Can't help!
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 28, 2014, 14:56
https://twitter.com/8aldwin/status/527108993224024064
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2014, 08:13
https://twitter.com/M_Braendle/status/527369967600427008
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2014, 20:07
https://twitter.com/SSbike/status/527534834575749121
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 30, 2014, 02:44
Taylor Phinney

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-continues-lengthy-recovery-from-broken-leg (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-continues-lengthy-recovery-from-broken-leg)
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Yeah, I'm thinking about it, but I can talk about it and say I'm thinking about it and people love to make it a headline. There's a lot of people thinking about it. The bar was set, but it wasn't set that high.
  :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on October 30, 2014, 13:07
interesting feature by Der Standard on today's attempt, including time lines, statistics and bike comparisons

http://derstandard.at/2000007309371/Die-Rekordjagd-des-Kilometerfressers (german)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on October 30, 2014, 13:42
First Voigt, now Brändle ...

Makes me wonder if it's in the rules that Hour attempts must be made on a Thursday? ;)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on October 30, 2014, 13:51
interesting feature by Der Standard on today's attempt, including time lines, statistics and bike comparisons

http://derstandard.at/2000007309371/Die-Rekordjagd-des-Kilometerfressers (german)
Good article, but - yes, I am that pedantic - with some factual errors. Voigt the rider with most Tour participations? I think not.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on October 30, 2014, 13:56
the way they are paraphrasing it ("no one has participated in the Tour de France more often"), it is correct, I think, but the numbers are wrong (Hincapie, O'Grady and him have all taken part 17 times - not 13)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on October 30, 2014, 14:25
the way they are paraphrasing it ("no one has participated in the Tour de France more often"), it is correct, I think, but the numbers are wrong (Hincapie, O'Grady and him have all taken part 17 times - not 13)
I see - never trust anyone! :shh
I believed their number of 13 to be correct, and thought 'hang on, that can't be right - Hincapie has 17'.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 30, 2014, 20:59
First Voigt, now Brändle ...
https://twitter.com/nyvelocity/status/527900021640151040 (https://twitter.com/nyvelocity/status/527900021640151040)

 :P
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 30, 2014, 21:07
Happy Brändle took it

ad Happy now everyoe on twitter can spell his name  :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 30, 2014, 21:16
Today the headlines read:Brändle breaks Voigt's hour record as if Jen's had a lasting legacy.


The fun part will be next time when they read, "Rider X breaks  Brändle's hour record."  :D

Good for him though. As he said in prior interviews, he saw a rare opportunity to garner what was admittedly some short-lived attention, and a place in the record books, so he went for it. I admire that more than all the Jib-jab provided by other riders who never got around to actually doing it.

For now, it's "Brändle's" hour record.  :cool
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 30, 2014, 21:26
It's just now occurred to me that this whole thing has become the inverse of what was the ongoing Andy Schleck countdown.

In that instance, we counted up the days to see how long it would take for him to actually finish a race.

With the Hour record, we're counting down the time it takes for someone to break it again. According to that NYvelocity tweet discussion, Voigt held it for all of 1008 hours.  :D


Maybe Andy should give it a go? Then we could sublimely combine both polls!  :cool
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 31, 2014, 07:34
https://twitter.com/IAMcyclingFans/status/527904702005260288
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on October 31, 2014, 08:14
this is great from pro cycling trumps

https://vine.co/v/OM9xQMhuJuI (https://vine.co/v/OM9xQMhuJuI)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: L'arri on October 31, 2014, 09:59
I have read comments that claim the TV coverage was dull. I saw a few minutes of it and certainly it wasn't spectacular. I didn't see the whole event so what follows may have been done to some extent, I don't know.

Given the amount of preparation required to do an hour record attempt, there is absolutely no reason not to have prepared short items to play intermittently during the period of 15mins to 45mins, showing those preparations and other relevant content.

This way, the producers can give a bit more airtime to the bike sponsors, who seem to be the real drivers in this new period of record attempts, and also show the riders in interviews and some broader footage of their careers. While still young, Brändle has been around a while, after all. And why not show us bits of older record attempts? The Obree position still excites a lot of interest.

Perhaps it is because the UCI wants to be the exclusive broadcaster. UCI-backed broadcasting is rarely sparkling and often has the rather neutered character of a televised Eurovision Song Contest.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on November 02, 2014, 01:42
Wiggins spreading more rumors about 2015

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/news-shorts-wiggins-to-attempt-hour-record-next-summer (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/news-shorts-wiggins-to-attempt-hour-record-next-summer)
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Bradley Wiggins’ hour record attempt could happen in July or August of next year, according to the Diario de Mallorca newspaper. The paper also reported that Wiggins would make his hour record attempt at the El Palma Arena in Mallorca. Wiggins has spent the past few weeks in Mallorca and met with the velodrome’s technical director Joan Llaneras at the Tolo restaurant in Port de Pollença a week ago.

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The meeting between the two happened during a celebration hosted by the ex-footballer Tomeu Llompart. “Wiggins wants to break the record of the time in Mallorca in Palma Arena and fill the public velodrome. And he is convinced that this will mobilize thousands of English fans to travel on holiday to the island to see his attempt," Llompart told the newspaper. “He considers Mallorca as his home and therefore wants to face the record on the island."
Any thoughts on the bolded part above?



Not quite sure what this has to do with the Hour record though. :slow
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The El Palma Arena velodrome is owned by the Mallorcan government and was the subject of an enquiry after it was linked with the embezzlement of public funds, forgery and bribery.
  :shh
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on November 02, 2014, 07:09
Wiggins spreading more rumors about 2015

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/news-shorts-wiggins-to-attempt-hour-record-next-summer (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/news-shorts-wiggins-to-attempt-hour-record-next-summer)Any thoughts on the bolded part above?
Depends on when he'll do it. If it's during summer holidays, the island will be full of Brits anyway. Whether that's the kind of audience you want is a different matter ... ;)


But as Dim said in the Brändle Hour livechat, Wiggins would most probably do his attempt on a *gb track.
Maybe he just met with Llaneras (a retired track cyclist) to talk about old times. :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LaVelocipede on November 08, 2014, 09:13
In 3 hours, Andrzej Bartkiewicz (Me neither) will challenge the hour record in Pruszków. There is a stream here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHUmrjaVKCk)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on November 08, 2014, 09:34
https://twitter.com/8aldwin/status/531016483061903361
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on November 08, 2014, 12:45
20mins left. on schedule for 47.8k


Post Merge: November 08, 2014, 12:55
10 mins left: pace dropped slightly.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on November 08, 2014, 12:59
Broke national record (his main goal, I assume) with 6 minutes to spare.  Pace now about 47.65 km
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on November 08, 2014, 13:05
47.5km + about half a lap.

I don't understand a word of Polish, but the commentator seems both excitable and repetitive.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LaVelocipede on November 08, 2014, 13:07
47.618 km.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on November 08, 2014, 13:26
the commentator seems both excitable and repetitive.
Yes and yes. :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on November 11, 2014, 07:34
another one to try...

https://twitter.com/thomasdekker/status/532063832995545088

...in spring though, which could very well be too late for him to have a chance to take it. Although to be honest I don't really see him beating Brändle anyway, all Dekker has proven post-doping is, that he really is far away from being capable to do anything special on the bike
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on November 11, 2014, 07:51
another one to try...

https://twitter.com/thomasdekker/status/532063832995545088

...in spring though, which could very well be too late for him to have a chance to take it. Although to be honest I don't really see him beating Brändle anyway, all Dekker has proven post-doping is, that he really is far away from being capable to do anything special on the bike
1 can hope he goes all Rominger on it.

1st of tne Neo hours that I am all a bit meh about to be honest
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on November 11, 2014, 10:17
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/news-shorts-kohler-wants-freedom-to-chase-wins-in-2015

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Sporza journalist to attempt hour record

While the hour record has become a new focus for several riders in the professional peloton, Belgian journalist Ruben Van Gucht has decided to make his own attempt on the record which was recently set at 51.850km by IAM Cycling's Matthias Brändle.

Van Gucht will make his attempt on November 21 at the Flemish Cycling Centre Eddy Merckx in Ghent and has been training with help from Tom Boonen and Tom Steels. Van Gucht tweeted that he is expecting to ride between 38-40 kilometres.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Flo on November 11, 2014, 10:32
FFS everyone and their uncle having a go lately
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on November 11, 2014, 10:55
If you expect to ride 13 km short of the current Hour Record, that's not an "attempt at the Hour Record".

That's just riding laps of a track for 60 minutes.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: 42x16ss on November 11, 2014, 12:02
38-40km is nothing special at all on a TT rig with deep wheels. Is this guy doing it for a documentary or segment for Sporza to show the everyday punter how hard it is?

Dekker having a shot is a bit of a laugh, I think he'll struggle with Jens' mark, let alone Brändle's.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on November 12, 2014, 14:02
If you expect to ride 13 km short of the current Hour Record, that's not an "attempt at the Hour Record".

That's just riding laps of a track for 60 minutes.

its no official attempt anyway I guess. Lars Teutenberg said he wanted to apply for it back in June to be the first to get the new record, but he would have had to wait 6 months at least for not being part of the ABP program at that point

http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_90341.htm

...and I seriously doubt that Sporza guy is.

Teutenberg is not planing to have a go at it anymore by the way as Brändle's mark is out of reach for him anyway
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on November 19, 2014, 13:21
Martin targets the Hour (http://cyclingquotes.com/news/martin_the_hour_record_is_on_my_agenda/)

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One big issue in recent monhts has been the Hour Record. Bradley Wiggins has already made it clear that he will make an attempt next summer. However, he may have to battle against Martin who is also considering giving it a try.
 
"That's on my agenda and I will discuss with my team in December how we can approach this issue without compromising my goals on the road," he said. "That is an essential factor: I need to find a time and a way of preparation which does not affect my road shape. I am surrounded by capable people and I have a team that supports me. So I think that we will find a date, preferably already in the coming year."
 
If time allows, I'm ready for it," he confirmed his ambition to make an attempt in 2015.
 
One disadvantage for Martin is the fact that he doesn't have Wiggins' experience on the track.
 
"In the beginning, his advantage is infinitely big due to his experience on the track," he said about Wiggins. "He comes from the track - no one is better than him. Luckily, I have also been educated there at the youth level and I feel good there but I definitely need longer time to adapt. I will probably need two, three or four attempt to beat the mark that he is likely to set. But I want to work in that direction and after the first training sessions on the track, I can say whether it is realistic or not."
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on November 21, 2014, 13:17
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/news-shorts-kohler-wants-freedom-to-chase-wins-in-2015

"Sporza journalist to attempt hour record

While the hour record has become a new focus for several riders in the professional peloton, Belgian journalist Ruben Van Gucht has decided to make his own attempt on the record which was recently set at 51.850km by IAM Cycling's Matthias Brändle.

Van Gucht will make his attempt on November 21 at the Flemish Cycling Centre Eddy Merckx in Ghent and has been training with help from Tom Boonen and Tom Steels. Van Gucht tweeted that he is expecting to ride between 38-40 kilometres."


https://twitter.com/sporza/status/535778212211875841
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on December 16, 2014, 14:26
https://twitter.com/DameSarahStorey/status/544857371936571392

I still expect to see a Movistar announcement on Friday that Alex Dowsett will attempt the men's record the day afterwards...
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Leadbelly on December 17, 2014, 07:09
https://twitter.com/cyclingtips/status/545110270184390657
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 18, 2014, 01:43
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/rohan-dennis-announces-hour-record-attempt-149864 (http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/rohan-dennis-announces-hour-record-attempt-149864)

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Rohan Dennis is the second Australian track star in as many days to announce he will try to break the Hour Record early next year.

Dennis, who took a silver medal in the Team Pursuit at London 2012, will take to the Velodrome Suisse track on February 8 in his quest for success.




In other news, the UCI has just released a short list of other riders who may also be interested in the Hour Record.
Possible Hour Record attempts for 2015 (http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/cqRankingRider.asp?current=1)  :P
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on December 18, 2014, 10:40
https://twitter.com/koruptvision/status/545527208228294656
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: pastronef on December 18, 2014, 11:13
https://twitter.com/koruptvision/status/545527208228294656

oh, Campagnolo crankset?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on December 19, 2014, 06:52
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/q-and-a-bobridge-on-setting-hour-record-benchmark (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/q-and-a-bobridge-on-setting-hour-record-benchmark)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on December 19, 2014, 08:58
if Bobridge takes it seriously, this will put a quick end to the numerous attempts. I can't see more than 2 or 3 riders who can beat him - and one of them is not interested
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on December 19, 2014, 10:33
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5NSttfCIAEhnTF.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on December 19, 2014, 12:08
https://twitter.com/BMCProTeam/status/545910282170925056
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 21, 2014, 04:31
Alex Dowsett setting the record in his sights

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/dowsett-announces-hour-record-bid-wants-to-inspire-others-with-haemophilia/ (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/dowsett-announces-hour-record-bid-wants-to-inspire-others-with-haemophilia/)
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Alex Dowsett and his Movistar team today announced the rider’s plan to break the UCI hour record on February 27.

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Both Jack Bobridge and Rohan Dennis have announced that they will aim for the record. Bobridge’s bid will take place in Melbourne’s DISC velodrome on January 31, while Dennis will make his attempt in Grenchen, Switzerland on February 8.

Dowsett’s attempt will come 19 days after the latter bid. This means that he isn’t yet aware what distance he will have to travel to break the record, but he will continue working hard in the meantime.



When I first read the closing line:
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A total of 6,000 places are available for those who want to be present at the bid, and can be purchased here.

I was half expecting it to say:
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A total of 6,000 places are available for those who want to attempt the Hour record themselves.
:-x
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on December 21, 2014, 11:54
All three of Dowsett, Dennis & Bobridge are of a considerably higher calibre then what we have had till now..
Assuredly the opportunity to get your name in the records books once and for all is quickly fading and now the real specialists are getting involved. Particularly, Bobridge & Dennis as two of the best TP riders in recent history will be especially competitive, if Dowsett is in good form then he may well come very close to either of those distances.

The Hour record is considerably longer than the higher intensity TP and so I wonder how Bobridge will fare, as he is up there as the best IP rider in the world. Definitely of benefit for the Australians to get their attempt done with in the Australian summer.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Joelsim on December 21, 2014, 12:43
All three of Dowsett, Dennis & Bobridge are of a considerably higher calibre then what we have had till now..
Assuredly the opportunity to get your name in the records books once and for all is quickly fading and now the real specialists are getting involved. Particularly, Bobridge & Dennis as two of the best TP riders in recent history will be especially competitive, if Dowsett is in good form then he may well come very close to either of those distances.

The Hour record is considerably longer than the higher intensity TP and so I wonder how Bobridge will fare, as he is up there as the best IP rider in the world. Definitely of benefit for the Australians to get their attempt done with in the Australian summer.

Not sure Dowsett is any better than Brandle to be honest. Dennis will set the best time of the three. Then it will be smashed in the summer.

Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 21, 2014, 17:57
I do wonder if the Hour record is becoming the Bucket Challenge of cycling.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 09, 2015, 08:03
(http://cdn3.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2015/01/08/1/2015_aust_nationals_tt_18_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pacing-key-to-dennis-hour-record-attempt
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 12, 2015, 11:48
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/01/dekker-dennis-is-a-better-rider-but-going-for-the-hour-at-altitude-could-give-me-the-edge/ (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/01/dekker-dennis-is-a-better-rider-but-going-for-the-hour-at-altitude-could-give-me-the-edge/)

lots of stuff in there, not just the hour Garmin time and other stuff, seems pretty honest
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 17, 2015, 02:22
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancellaras-interest-in-hour-record-wanes (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancellaras-interest-in-hour-record-wanes)

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“I really started this hour and then suddenly it gets changed from the UCI in a way that I don’t have this motivation,” Cancellara said during a conference call from his team’s latest training camp in Majorca.

“At the moment I am focussing on other things and not who is doing it or where they’re doing it or how it’s going to go,” he said. “The last thing I want to do is make a one-hour show and at the moment it looks like everyone wants to do a show.


I take back my question! I take back my question! I take back my question!  :-x

 :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on January 22, 2015, 16:02
http://movistarteam.com/news/2015-1-22/alex-dowsett-movistar-team-s-uci-hour-record-attempt-postponed

Alex Dowsett and Movistar Team regret to announce that the British rider’s UCI Hour Record attempt, scheduled for February 27 on the velodrome of London’s Lee Valley VeloPark, has been postponed.

Following Dowsett’s crash last Tuesday, his collarbone fracture and the subsequent surgery, the initial recovery program proposed to secure the attempt on the original date has not been fulfilled. Both rider and squad consider it would not be realistic to carry on with February 27 as a goal. Movistar Team also states that attempting the record would have been a risky decision, compromising the rest of the season for Alex and putting extra pressure on his recovery.

"I'm really gutted this has happened,” says Dowsett. “I’ve never worked harder for anything and to make this difficult decision with the team and lose this opportunity is a real blow. The positive is that it is a record attempt so we will be attempting it at a later date. I cannot thank Movistar, Canyon, Endura and the rest of the team partners enough for their continued support as well as my family and friends. But most of all I'd like to thank everyone that's supported me with words of encouragement both in training pre-crash and words of support and well wishes post-crash, it really was overwhelming. I'll now recover properly and be back to full fitness for the road season and another crack at the ‘perfect hour.’”

Movistar Team wishes to thank Canyon, Endura, Power2Max, Eurosport, FACE Partnership and Cyclevox for their support, comprehension and full backing of Dowsett and the team’s choice, as well as the media and especially the fans, for their countless heart-warming messages during the last few days.

Once Alex is fully recovered, all the parties will re-evaluate the UCI Hour Record process to begin again, in order to find the most suitable date.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on January 22, 2015, 17:06
Shame, that would have been his chance to get his name onto The Hour before Wiggo set The Benchmark.
But better in the long term to recover properly - and Dowsett is a great ITT rider, with good preparation he could break even Wiggo's Benchmark HourTM.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on January 23, 2015, 09:09
Cav quiet about crash details - he posted a picture of both training in Essex on day of crash... no comment as to his presence or otherwise at the impact!
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 28, 2015, 05:43
Not a lot of really big news going around, but Jacky Boy is up this Sunday night
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on January 28, 2015, 17:17
I for one am hugely excited to see Bobridge have a shot. He is WR holder for the IP and surely one of the best if not the best endurance track rider as a result. You watch him ride the TP and he drags the Aussie team around the track. He has never translated that into success on the road, but he is undoubtedly hugely talented and has shown brief glimpses at times.

After his TDU performance he looks in great shape and I expect him to smash Brandle's distance by some measure. He is the first true serious rider to take this on in my opinion. Whether his distance will be trumped by Dennis? I really don't know..

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/57852/Bobridge-set-for-hour-record-attempt
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 29, 2015, 07:54
https://soundcloud.com/cycling-central/podcast-29-jan-15-dogged-dennis-evanss-exit-looms-and-bobridges-hour-record (https://soundcloud.com/cycling-central/podcast-29-jan-15-dogged-dennis-evanss-exit-looms-and-bobridges-hour-record)

cycling central podacast with Rob Arnold they talk the hour record of Jacky Boy and Dennis

some good stuff from Rob

Jack looking at average of 385 watts for the hour and looking to put the record out of reach  :o
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on January 29, 2015, 09:10
https://twitter.com/ridemediaHQ/status/560575049040535581
https://twitter.com/ridemediaHQ/status/560593754097086464
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on January 29, 2015, 17:02
really gutted for Dowsett, he had  a real shot at breaking it, and if not breaking it pushing it really close (i actualy think someone failing is really needed to heighten the prestige). Movistar as well had put a lot into it, hiring velodromes for him to practice on.

If he goes post wiggins i think he loses out, not only in terms of time needed to beat it, but as far as media goes in no longer being the first brit to tackle it.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on January 29, 2015, 21:24
I am a big Dowsett fan, but he really needs some 'luck' with injuries - everything crossed for a fine season, and no more recovery room instagram selfies.   :cool
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 30, 2015, 06:15
https://twitter.com/ScottMcGrory/status/561038915339968512
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 30, 2015, 09:59
http://www.ridemedia.com.au/ride-features/how-will-melbournes-conditions-affect-bobridges-hour/
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 31, 2015, 06:47
link for the bobridge hour record - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs2UOIKezU0
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 31, 2015, 07:32
30 min to go

https://twitter.com/KatherineLBates/status/561426356462833667
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: pastronef on January 31, 2015, 09:08
he did not make it :(

around 51.3
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 31, 2015, 09:27
51.3 km official

went out too hard.

plan was 16.9 per lap went low 16 for awhile and then blew, 18.5 for 1 lap. Was after MB from lap 70.

looked absolutely fliped at the end
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: ansimi on January 31, 2015, 09:33
I didn't think we'd get a miss yet but I agree with Dim that failed attempts help build excitement.

I feel terrible for him but at least he had a great TDU.

Did his equipment all look in order to those of you knew know about such things?

I wonder if this will make Rohan Dennis more or less nervous?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 31, 2015, 09:47
https://twitter.com/velochrono/status/561460346184273921
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 31, 2015, 09:47
I didn't think we'd get a miss yet but I agree with Dim that failed attempts help build excitement.

I feel terrible for him but at least he had a great TDU.

Did his equipment all look in order to those of you knew know about such things?

I wonder if this will make Rohan Dennis more or less nervous?

Martin Wiggo and Dennis will have all gone oh flip i think
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on January 31, 2015, 14:20
https://twitter.com/velochrono/status/561460346184273921

Think this is pretty telling, just got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to excited and went far too hard early on. Compared with voigt, started very disciplined, then saved it for the end, and brandle who looks like he did a perfect hour, steady and controlled all the way through.

as ive said before though, i think a failed attempt is a good thing at this point, heightens the prestige, we now have a real proper baseline for the hour (brandles attempt), that we know can be beaten, but we also know isnt easy to beat.

Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on January 31, 2015, 14:23
Cycling Australia doing themselves absolutely no favours by the way

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2nw3jmp.png)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on January 31, 2015, 15:19
Cycling Australia doing themselves absolutely no favours by the way

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2nw3jmp.png)

there was 2 places to watch but the coverage was really bad so being told to go away was better  :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 02, 2015, 10:52
https://twitter.com/GraemeObree/status/562199050351808513
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Leadbelly on February 02, 2015, 10:59
His twitter messages overnight did tend to imply he would be giving it another go at some point, but no clues as to when.

https://twitter.com/JackBobridge/status/562091338238140416

https://twitter.com/JackBobridge/status/562091563400978433
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 02, 2015, 11:03
I think it might be on Hendo is retweeting everything
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: DJW on February 02, 2015, 11:49
Think this is pretty telling, just got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to excited and went far too hard early on. Compared with voigt, started very disciplined, then saved it for the end, and brandle who looks like he did a perfect hour, steady and controlled all the way through.


Yep, looks like maybe his good ride at TDU made him believe his own hype a little too much and that he was, if not guaranteed to beat it, then at least win by going hard from the off in the same style he was riding round South Australia the other week.

I hope he has another go, but maybe not straight away. Agree that the odd failure helps make it more of an accolade to win but that will soon be spoilt if everyone starts piling in on early attempts just to get their name in the books before the big names join in.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 03, 2015, 09:54
https://twitter.com/BudgetForklifts/status/562546571917533184

Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 03, 2015, 09:55
https://twitter.com/CyclingCentral/status/562543530585755648
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 04, 2015, 16:36
Dennis training, cool photo

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9AwHkLIIAA0Mcf.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 05, 2015, 07:11
https://twitter.com/BMCProTeam/status/563169866773835777
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on February 08, 2015, 12:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1czalpk4j7E

Live Coverage, going live in approx 30 seconds:

(http://i59.tinypic.com/316aowp.png)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on February 08, 2015, 13:02
Quote
Marco Pinotti says Dennis will try to ride just above the current record for the first 40 minutes, then it's up to him how hard he pushes it
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 08, 2015, 23:03
Do we care so little for this grand achievement that a new Hour record doesn't even warrant its own post?  :D

Rohan Dennis sets new UCI hour record with 52.491 kilometres (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/02/rohan-dennis-sets-new-uci-hour-record-with-52-491-kilometres/)

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Showing excellent form and fine track technique, BMC Racing Team’s Rohan Dennis was successful in his attempt to tackle the UCI hour record on Sunday, smashing the previous record of Matthias Brandle.

Dennis covered 52.491 kilometres to go almost 600 metres further than Brandle’s 51.852 kilometres, as had been set on October 30 in the World Cycling Centre in Aigle, Switzerland.

Highlights (They're only a minute)  :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH2hDx_gWDU


I'm actually starting to warm a bit to this somewhat meaningless endeavor. It's got a few things going for it.

1) You know exactly how long it's going to take, so viewing can be scheduled accordingly.

2) An hour is really not all that long (unless you're the one trying to break the record) so it won't impose too much on one's day.

3) You will most likely witness a victory, of sorts, and that is always good for one's spirit.

4) The video feed from the UCI is exceptional, and the weather is not likely to impose any problems.

5) There's only one rider, so that eliminates the frustration of directors only showing us, "one rider."

6) There is something undeniably sleek and stylish about this discipline.

7) There is also something slightly soothing about the meditative repetition of a lone rider circling a velodrome with such dedicated focus.

8) It's only going to get better, and become more entertaining, as the likes of Wiggo, Martin, Phinney and Cancellara throw their hat in the ring.


So there you have it.  :)




And I can't believe I just said all that!  :o  :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 09, 2015, 09:08
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9VACdaIQAE9zCo.png)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 09, 2015, 11:16
Dekker

https://twitter.com/Dasiahaarlem/status/564743943347515392
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on February 09, 2015, 11:47
"Speed is everything"

Pretty sure it's not. Just ask Bobridge.

Methinks Dennis will be resting fairly easy...
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on February 09, 2015, 14:40
Yes, Dennis may not have paced it as well as Brandle and tailed off slightly towards the end, but he consistently edged ahead during the first 45 or so minutes and had enough in the tank to maintain that advantage to the end.

A very strong ride, underlining his credentials as a rider who can both climb and Time Trial. Still he didn't manage over 53km and once again showed that both Brandle and Voigt's times weren't pushovers. Still amazing to think that Voigt could post such a time at his age and stage of his career, every attempt just goes to underline just how impressive he ride was.

I definitely think Bobridge's decision to ride in his native Australia, rather than somewhere like Switzerland wasn't too clever, but then again it probably wasn't his decision to make at least in large.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 10, 2015, 09:39
https://twitter.com/robridemedia/status/565055084392751104
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: L'arri on February 10, 2015, 13:43
Yeah ... except I think many of us have got Hour Fatigue Syndrome now. We need a break before Wiggins has his go at it, because that sort of hype would eclipse even One Direction winning the TTT at the Tour de France.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 10, 2015, 22:08
Yeah ... except I think many of us have got Hour Fatigue Syndrome now.
Not me.  :)

As I alluded to up-thread, it's only after having been beaten on the head by this recycled story that I was eventually able to see the forest for the trees. With each passing attempt at the Hour, I suspect that I will actually follow it even more closely. I like the fact that the lead up to, and execution of, this event is wrapped into a very reasonable time frame for any given rider. Considering how slow so many of the more pressing issues in cycling seem to unfold, and how vague the timelines are for many of the issues that peak my curiosity the most, I'm all in favor of the sense of urgency that has surrounded the Hour as of late.

This initial wave of hungry aspirants are seizing a moment that they all know full well will evaporate as soon as the big guns have a go. Which is good, it means there's simply no time for messing around. Go for it, or STFU, would seem to be the unspoken mantra of the day.

Having a better understanding of how performance might vary from one locale to another, and comparing the efforts of these vanguard attempts, will only deepen my interest and overall understanding of The Hour as we approach a time that will truly set a mark to be reckoned with. If Wiggo had come right out and beat everyone to the punch, I doubt that the details of his ride would've captured much of the imagination (or at least not mine). But what we have now is the warm-up act, and every once in a while the opening band does reward you for getting to the club earlier than originally planned. (I remember seeing Bryan Adams open for the Kinks one time. I don't really care for the Kinks, never had. And I would say the same of Wiggo. Hell, I've never even been a Bryan Adams fan, but the two of the combined made for a memorable evening.)
:lol

I digress...

I find that these monthly attempts at the Hour record provide a unique blend of farcical entertainment and deepening intrigue. And much like the opening act of any concert, before you know it, the lights go down and the headliners take the stage. This prelude will pass quickly enough, and when the real contenders do have a go at it, it will carry more weight, and have more meaning due to what we are currently witnessing.



that sort of hype would eclipse even One Direction winning the TTT at the Tour de France.
To be fair, with a name like One Direction, I imagine they might hold their own better in a TTT than half the pros.
 :-x
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 16, 2015, 10:54
https://twitter.com/CyclingQuotes/status/567267396336242688
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 16, 2015, 11:47
This is pretty cool

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/02/putting-the-hour-record-in-perspective-how-does-an-amateur-compare/
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on February 24, 2015, 14:37
https://twitter.com/Eurosport/status/570219189241303040
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 25, 2015, 02:03
I haven't quite understood how Dekker thinks this will land him a new contract. Surely any team that had an interest in him would already know what his numeric capability is. Him riding in circles, ever so slightly faster than the last guy (and I've already forgotten who currently holds the record, and I refuse to look upthread at this moment), is hardly going to convince any team of...anything really.

Does anyone, anywhere, truly believe that Dekker is capable of producing a time that won't be unseated by any of the true contenders yet to take this on? Any leverage gained by holding the record would certainly be short-lived, and any team anywhere on the planet would certainly be aware of this.

That being said, I will watch it if I can.  :)


[Edit]
Oh well. 1:30pm my time. Not gonna happen.


[Edit 2]
It's Rohan Dennis!  :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on February 25, 2015, 08:57
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/570506224619397120
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 25, 2015, 10:15
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/570492491620884480
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on February 25, 2015, 13:58
What's the general feeling here? Will he or won't he?

Also, it's on Eurosport and starts at 6.30, right?. So I should tune in at about 7.28?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Capt_Cavman on February 25, 2015, 14:10
What's the general feeling here? Will he or won't he?

Also, it's on Eurosport and starts at 6.30, right?. So I should tune in at about 7.28?
I'm assuming that if his numbers weren't there or thereabouts, he wouldn't bother
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on February 25, 2015, 14:50
What's the general feeling here? Will he or won't he?
He has a good motor, and did a decent ITT in his best days[1].
But Rohan Dennis is no nobody, and while 52.4 km may not be a tough task for Wiggins, Martin & co., it definitely is for Dekker.

It'll be touch-and-go in my opinion - but if it isn't, an Hour record really is watching paint dry. If he's always just around the benchmark, it is very exciting.
 1. although how these best days came about is best discussed elsewhere
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: pastronef on February 25, 2015, 15:35
I'd like to see him break the record. Nothing against Dennis, I like him, but good ol' Thomas keeping the record for a few weeks would be nice
before Dowsett and Wiggo give it a go
actually if Alex Rasmussen beats it when he tries, would be even better
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on February 25, 2015, 15:47
actually if Alex Rasmussen beats it when he tries, would be even better
If Alex beats it, I'll ... be surprised. :P

Has he set a date yet?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 25, 2015, 18:51
With no speed/distance info on screen, it is less than gripping watching.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on February 25, 2015, 18:59
don't say you didn't count the laps  :lol

Post Merge: February 25, 2015, 19:00
looks like he did 100 laps in ~23:30 or something like that
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on February 25, 2015, 19:04
https://twitter.com/RobHeerdink/status/570659945957474304

 :S
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on February 25, 2015, 19:45
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Thomas Dekker came less than a lap from breaking the Hour Record distance of Rohan Dennis (BMC), but fell just shy of the mark set by the Australian. Dekker rode 52.221 km in the 60-minute test on the velodrome at Aguascalientes, Mexico, just under the 52.411 set by Dennis at sea level in the Velodrome Suisse earlier this month.

The results are unofficial, due in part to confusion over the clock and lap count at the track, but also because the UCI must ratify the results.

Wow never fancied that. On another day he could have beaten Dennis's mark.
I wonder how much difference riding at altitude makes...
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 25, 2015, 19:51
What a logistical debacle that was.

No functioning clock; no certainty about his distance; NO UCI YOUTUBE FEED... :angry

Then Eurosport quickly moved to ski jumping. :fp

Dekker looked fairly at ease as he walked away. I can't believe he actually had to ask for a drink after his ride though. Hello, support crew?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on February 25, 2015, 20:19
I wonder how much difference riding at altitude makes...

Back in the day Boardman said he thought riding at altitude ended up making no difference. The gains you make in reduced air resistance are countered by the lowered oxygen density.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 25, 2015, 23:46
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/02/dekker-unsuccessful-in-hour-record-bid-dennis-continues-status-as-quickest-rider/ (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/02/dekker-unsuccessful-in-hour-record-bid-dennis-continues-status-as-quickest-rider/)

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“Beforehand I knew it was going to be tricky. Rohan Dennis is such a good rider. He is one of the big stars in cycling at present. I think I’ve done a good attempt. Unfortunately, it is just not enough the record, but if I’m honest I could not be better.

https://twitter.com/xavierdisley/status/570674055164129281

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Pedalling a massive 58×14 gear, Dekker initially looked to be on course during his bid at the Aguascalientes velodrome. He was moving well after ten minutes, moving that gearing well but drifting on the corners and floating up towards the red line.

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He said that he hoped two weeks’ preparation would be enough to acclimatise to the decreased oxygen saturation.

“To get 99 percent used to it, it will take around two weeks,” he said. “In the third week and the fourth week, you are improving still at one percent, and after five weeks you are totally adapted. But I hope 99 percent is enough…I’ll go two weeks before.”

Given that his distance was approximately 0.5% shorter than that of Dennis, he will likely wonder if spending a little longer at altitude might have given him the edge he needed.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on February 26, 2015, 00:37
Rohan Dennis "one of the biggest stars in cycling at present"?!
That's a bit too much #garmin camaraderie between two former riders of the team - off the top of my head, I can think of ~20 riders that are bigger stars.
One of the biggest talents, definitely; but to be one of the biggest stars, Dennis will have to do more than win an Aussie race off two good uphill sprints against other Aussies. His best 'real' result is still the 8th place overall in the 2013 Critérium du Dauphiné - evidence of talent (as are his results in North America), but hardly star material. Yet.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 26, 2015, 01:04
Rohan Dennis "one of the biggest stars in cycling at present"?!

Well, he is the current record holder for the Hour.  :P
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 26, 2015, 01:19
Now I'm wondering if Eddy Merckx pulled off one of the better cons in modern cycling.

God knows, he's proven himself to be quite the master troll on more than one occasion in the past several years. But what if his claims of how extraordinarily difficult it was to conquer the Hour were nothing more than a smokescreen to deter others from even attempting it, thereby securing a longer tenure for his own name in the record books?  :P

If Mighty Merckx found the endeavor to be such a brutal test of oneself, what chance might mere mortals have against the clock?  :o

The one thing I hope these recent attempts at the Hour will do, is put away, for good, the myth created by Merckx surrounding the suffering and sacrifice necessary to take it on. Maybe it was true for him. Maybe it was. But enough already. It's hard, and it requires dedication, focus, and the right genetics. At this point, I'm entertained by it, and find it interesting. Shouldn't that be enough? It's enough for me.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 26, 2015, 01:28
Some interesting points from Rohan Dennis about his attempt. Rupert Guinness doing his best to create a Merckx-style narrative though—trying to extract tales of suffering. The truth was probably not as glamourous nor heroic as he was hoping.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/q-and-a-world-hour-record-holder-rohan-dennis (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/q-and-a-world-hour-record-holder-rohan-dennis)

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Rupert Guinness: How did you recover from your ride - from that night to the days after?

Rohan Dennis: Physically not too bad. I have felt worse. It was probably more just sitting on the saddle afterwards was probably the biggest challenge.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 26, 2015, 01:42
Middle of the night for the German and Dutch contingent, so I may as well just keep babbling to myself here.  :lol

I found it curious that during Dekker's Hour attempt, commentators Carlton Kirby and Magnus Bäckstedt spoke of Wiggins' possible attempt as being much less than certain. Had I not read anything otherwise, I would've thought they were suggesting there was only a 50/50 chance of Wiggins going for it.

Hasn't Sir Bradley :-x been more reassuring than that about his own ambitions to tackle The Hour?

You couldn't find a more rabid flag waver than Kirby, so I was somewhat surprised to hear him nearly expressing doubts about Wiggins' future plans. Am I missing something here?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on March 03, 2015, 09:27
Ballsy very Ballsy

https://twitter.com/Mr_Hebsgaard/status/572668066875752448
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on March 03, 2015, 14:48
Yep, that's Quaade in a nutshell - he's a complete maniac. But a monster engine, and a very experienced track rider.

If anyone can beat Wiggo's mark, it would be him.
He's a Copenhagener, so if he goes for it he'll probably do it at home. I shall be trackside then. :cool
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on March 03, 2015, 15:39
What is his history on the track like?

Seems significant, Dennis was an accomplished tracker in his own right.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on March 03, 2015, 19:17
What is his history on the track like?

Seems significant, Dennis was an accomplished tracker in his own right.
Danish junior champion in individual pursuit in 2007, and team pursuit in 2008. Senior IP champion in 2009, and part of the national TP team since then, taking a.o. bronze at the 2013 Track Worlds and silver at the 2014 Track Worlds. Those are the biggest results.

He knows how to ride the track, he has a hell of an engine and is a fighter like no other (seriously, the true successor of Jens Voigt), and he gives 110% (or even more) every time: Collapsed after the 2011 U23 ITT Worlds that he lost to Durbridge by 35", after his 6th-place ride in 2013, and every year after the Tour of Denmark ITT.
All he needs is a bit of race craft, so that he goes full throttle not whenever he can, but only when it's actually a good idea. ;)
But that's of minor significance for the Hour. 60 minutes all-out is what he does best.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on March 04, 2015, 23:40
I just stumbled across this accidentally...a blog post about the hour record, by Dr Michele Ferrari

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The Hour Record - 2014

By: Michele Ferrari
Published: 4 Jan 2015



After over 10 years of obtuse obscurantism that had decreed that the Hour Record had to "get back" to Eddy Merckx (49,431 km / h in 1972) and his bike, instantly erasing the performances that came after his attempt, from great athletes such as Moser, Obree, Boardman, Indurain , Rominger and Boardman again in 1996, the "pundits" at UCI decided in 2014 to retrace their steps, allowing the use of aerodynamic bikes again, in line with those authorized for pursuit racing on track.

The previous decision had in fact castrated every interest in this fascinating challenge, with only Chris Boardman (49,441 km/h in 2000) and an admirable Ondrey Sosenka (49,700 km/h in 2005) making serious attempts, which eventually resulted in them doing better than Eddy Merckx.
This however showed how utterly RIDICULOUS the UCI's demand to compare performance that were decades away was, although achieved with similar bikes: a result that showed Sosenka to be stronger than Merckx is at odds, to say the least, with the palmares of the two riders...

The back track decision of the UCI has immediately reignited the interest in the Record, with several athletes having (successfully) tried, or announcing attempts in the near future.

The UCI has canceled the performances achieved in the 80's and 90's, although obtained according to the UCI rules from back then.
Even though Obree's (51,596 km/h in 1993 and 52,713 km/h in 1994) and Boardman's (56,375 km h in 1996) aerodynamic positions would no longer be legal today and Indurain's (53,040 km/h in 1994) profile of the frame was also unauthorized according to today's standards, one cannot help but wonder why Boardman's performance in 1993 (52,270 km/h) has been struck out.
His position on the bike and the Corima frame are in fact no different from that adopted by Voigt and Brandle in their successful attempts in the last months, and even the wheels (both 28") would be admitted today.
Tony Rominger (53,832 km/h and 55.291Km/h in 1994) used a steel frame that would be embarrassing if compared to today's standards, but his front wheel was 26", with a 28" on the rear, and this is not allowed by current UCI's regulations, even though the fact that a smaller front wheel can give an advantage is yet to prove (in fact, even back then many track top athletes, including Boardman, chose 28" wheels in the front too).
Even Francesco Moser (50,808 km/h and 51,151 km/h in 1984) had used a front 26" wheel, but his frame and the position on the handlebars were much less aerodynamic than those accepted today: in particular the "triathlon position" (now allowed) enables a speed increase of 1-2 km/h compared to the famous "cow-horns handlebar" position that he adopted.

- TRACK LENGTH -

Back in the 80's we were convinced that longest tracks were the fastest, and that long straights could favor the speed of the cyclist.
As a matter of fact, it is truly the exact opposite.
The banked curves allow the center of gravity of the rider to travel a shorter distance than the measurement line followed by the wheels: in substance, the mass of the cyclist "cuts" the curves, saving about 2-3 meters per lap, depending on the velodrome.
In fact, the longer the curves compared to the straights, the faster the track.
This explains for example why Rominger gained 600m/h at the Manchester Velodrome over that in Bordeaux: both are 250m long, but the English one has longer curves than the French.
As a matter of fact, the UCI even then had forbidden the use of tracks shorter than 250m for Hour Record attempts.
Thus it is a bit surprising that the current Hour Record set by Mathias Brandle (51,852 km/h on October 30th 2014) has been achieved on the velodrome in Aigle (headquarters of the UCI), which measures only 200m and therefore provides an "illicit" advantage over longer tracks.

- MUSIC during the Attempt -

In the past, the regulation was forbidding the diffusion of music during the attempts and the use of all types of earphones was not admitted either, because it was believed (rightly so...) that the athlete could take advantage of this.
I remember that Francesco Moser, during one of his several attempts at sea level (Stuttgart 50,644 km/h in 1988) was approached by an individual who promised great advantages (1-2 km/h, according to him...) if Francesco had chosen to listen to the music that he advised, during the effort: of course it all came to nothing, because the regulation expressly forbade it.
Jens Voigt during his successful attempt on the 18th of September 2014 (51,115 km/h) was "accompanied" by music personally selected by him and played out loud in the velodrome in Grenchen...

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=135

and more information about the music here (http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=134)

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Indeed, many scientific studies show that listening to music can modify the efficiency of breathing and increase Hb saturation, effectively improving the transport of oxygen to the muscles.

Listening to music before or during the effort has a relaxing effect on the musculature, reducing the consumption of O2 for those muscles not engaged in the action, therefore increasing the oxygenation of the muscles involved in the gesture. Even coordination and brain-muscles communication gets better, economizing energy expenditure, with a "mechanism of bio-chemical feedback derived from an external source": music, precisely.

A recent study (Pre-task Improves swimming music performances, J Sports Med Phys Fitness, 2014) demonstrated that listening to music 5min (self selected) up to 1min before the race (200m free-style) improves the performance time by about 2" (1.44%) in a group of swimmers of regional level, compared to the control group, which was to race in silent conditions.
Another 2014 study (Music Enhances performance and perceived enjoyment of sprint interval exercise, Med Sci Sports Exerc) detected an improvement in peak power and average power in 4 repetitions of 30sec "all-out" efforts on a cycle-ergometer, separated by 4 min recovery, in a group of moderately trained young adults.
Already in 1998 (Int J Sports Med, 19: 32-37) it was noticed that listening to music for 15min running at 70% of VO2max showed significant reductions in heart rate (from 152.9 to 145.9 beats/min), systolic blood pressure (from 158.1 to 151.7 mmHg) and lactic acid (from 2.75 to 2.13 mM/l in well trained men.

Another study on elite triathletes (J Sci Med Sport, 2012; 15: 52-57) engaged in running, shows an extension of the "time-to-exhaustion" by 19% when listening to music. Lactate also resulted lower and O2 consumption was reduced by 1% at the same speed. The gesture of running is more economical as well.
The authors conclude that "Music produces ergogenic benefits, psychological and physiological".

Personally, trying out myself while engaged on some cycle-ergometer training, and listening to songs from The Doors, always the same ones, I noticed a reduction in the feeling of fatigue as well as decreased lactate concentrations at a given heart rate. Probably those musical rhythms I am so keen on, induce those neuromuscular feedback mechanisms, sensibly improving my performance.

...so Drummer Boy finally got some kind of scientific reason why Thomas Dekker was not successful in breaking the hour record :P
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 05, 2015, 00:10
...so Drummer Boy finally got some kind of scientific reason why Thomas Dekker was not successful in breaking the hour record :P
I had my finger on the "Reply" button before I even saw the personal reference.  :D

The Doors?!?!?

Fook me if I believe for one second that The Dark Knight himself would gain some sort of scientific advantage from a band that didn't even have a bass player. :fp


So far, I've found the loud music playing in the background of these events to be annoying as all hell (and that's just from the audio bleeding into the UCI Youtube feed). Personally, I could never even fathom the concept of riding, or running, with music. FFS, that would be my nightmare. God forbid that one should have to contend with one's own thoughts during such an undertaking.

Then again, I hardly listen to music at all (true story). I prefer to play it.  :P
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on March 10, 2015, 12:13
https://twitter.com/NigelWynn/status/575265999110455296
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on March 10, 2015, 13:12
Fueled by #cult energy drinks, the Swedish monster will rip Dennis' meagre time apart and set a time for the ages! :yuush

Or he's just going to see how hard it is to break the current record, and provide a benchmark for his teammate Quaade. Taking the record as a nice side-effect if he breaks it. :shh

Choose one. ;)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 10, 2015, 21:58
Gustav Larsson ready for tilt at hour record in Manchester (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/track-cycling/11461947/Gustav-Larsson-ready-for-tilt-at-hour-record-in-Manchester.html)

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Larsson, an accomplished time trialist who finished second in the discipline at the Beijing Olympics, 2009 world championships and the 2013 edition of the Chrono des Nations, will make his attempt at the afternoon session of the sixth and final round of the Revolution Series.

“I am very confident of breaking the Swedish hour record but it is the world record I am after” he said in a statement. “I think it will be possible – it will not be easy but I am feeling ready for the challenge.”

“I was inspired to try for the hour record when I was trying to heal my broken back last year. It was one of the goals to get back on the bike and to look forward to through the rehab and winter training.”
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03227/gustav-larsson_3227214b.jpg)


Furthering my complete turnaround on this activity:
I actually think I would enjoy watching something like this live, especially in such a place.  :)

I presume that the UCI Youtube channel will be broadcasting this?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on March 11, 2015, 19:13
Malori after today's prologue:

Hour record: “It’s unlikely that I’ll attack the hour record because I don’t have much technique on the track, and it is a lot more important than you might think. I’d need two months to work at it. It might be something for the future, but for now I’m focused on the road.”
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: froome19 on March 11, 2015, 19:15
Certainly winning a 5.4km prologue shouldn't be much indication of a successful Hour record attempt..
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 11, 2015, 23:16
"I’d need two months to work at it."

I'd need two months to work at learning needle point. Pretty sure the Hour is safe from a Malori conquest.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 15, 2015, 01:31
Obviously this was the biggest story of the day.
It must've been 12 hours ago already, but no updates here.  :-x


Sweden’s Gustav Larsson came nowhere near beating Rohan Dennis’s UCI Hour record in Manchester this afternoon, falling nearly 10 laps short (http://road.cc/content/news/145571-gustav-larsson-falls-10-laps-short-uci-hour-record). 
:flustered

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The 34-year-old was attempting to beat the distance of 52.4901km that the Australian rode last month, but was off the pace early.

By the half-hour mark, the Cult Energy was behind schedule by well over a minute – equivalent to around four 250m laps of the track at the National Cycling Centre.

At the end of his ride, he had covered 50.016km – well short of Dennis’s benchmark, but comfortably breaking the Swedish record of 45.335km.

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Alex Dowsett indicated this week that he is riding back into form and may attempt it next month.

Sir Bradley Wiggins is expected to go for the record in June.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on March 15, 2015, 01:46
Well  no live coverage, and he failed.. not much to say :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on March 31, 2015, 11:54
Back on, baby...

https://twitter.com/Movistar_Team/status/582829752018345984

https://twitter.com/Movistar_Team/status/582855232780111872
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on April 15, 2015, 09:37
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCnf-pAWAAEGx57.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on April 15, 2015, 09:42
So, without getting ahead of ourselves, this means Dowsett will hold the record for a maximum of 5 weeks... that feels somewhat unsatisfactory.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 16, 2015, 15:21
I'm glad to see this in the spotlight again.

Has Dowsett targeted a specific distance that he feels is within his grasp?

Even if Wiggo unseats him some weeks later, Dowsett will have still have a good story to tell, and his name in the record books.

Was he realistically hoping for more than that anyway?


I'm also curious to know what the estimates on Wiggo's final distance are. Has he suggested a number himself?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on April 16, 2015, 21:13
I don't have the source to hand, but I think he said something about being between Rominger's two figures...
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Capt_Cavman on April 16, 2015, 21:43
I don't have the source to hand, but I think he said something about being between Rominger's two figures...
Oh man I need glasses, I read that as between Rominger's two fingers. First thought was, that doesn't sound far. Next thought was it's probably an allusion to something shady in the past. I even googled it.  :S
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on April 17, 2015, 01:01
Next thought was it's probably an allusion to something shady in the past.
It is now! :lol

Here Tony can be seen showing his two fingers in the Giro:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/iycxzm.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 17, 2015, 17:05
Tickets to watch Wiggins’ Hour Record attempt sell out in seven minutes (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tickets-to-watch-wiggins-hour-record-attempt-sell-out-in-seven-minutes)

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Tickets to watch Bradley Wiggins’ Hour Record attempt at the Lee Valley VeloPark, London’s Olympic Velodrome, on June 7 went on sale on Friday morning and reportedly sold out with in seven minutes according to a report on Sky Sports.

The velodrome holds a capacity of roughly 6,000 spectators but many fans were left disappointed when they weren’t able to purchase a ticket on the Sky Tickets website. The highest priced tickets were reported to have cost €49.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on April 17, 2015, 17:36
So, even if those were the most expensive categories, they're going to make some good money.

Assuming an average price of 30 €, that'll be 180.000 € - enough to pay the minimum wages for 6-7 pro cyclists for a whole year. :o
I've finally found out how Team ALL CAPS is funded! :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on April 17, 2015, 18:11
Actually, that assumption was too low ... :o
https://twitter.com/CafeRoubaix/status/589112485166342144

I guess it'll be £29 for the turns, £39 for the cheap seats on the straights, and £49 for trackside seats.
A turnover of more than £200,000 in total = ~277.000 €.

Team ALL CAPS has 9 riders (apart from Sir Brad himself) - 30.000 € per person! :tinkov
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on April 18, 2015, 09:08
Actually, that assumption was too low ... :o
https://twitter.com/CafeRoubaix/status/589112485166342144

I guess it'll be £29 for the turns, £39 for the cheap seats on the straights, and £49 for trackside seats.
A turnover of more than £200,000 in total = ~277.000 €.

Team ALL CAPS has 9 riders (apart from Sir Brad himself) - 30.000 € per person! :tinkov

could run a womens team for 6 months at the highest level
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on April 18, 2015, 20:43
could run a womens team for 6 months at the highest level
Yeah, but who would want that ... :P

It's ridiculous how (relatively) much money is burned on men's teams while the women - whose races are often more entertaining, who are better ambassadors (for the sport, and by extension for the brand that sponsors them), and who are immensely grateful for every little help they get - are struggling to get by. :angry
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on May 01, 2015, 15:15
Salzwedel is live on German Eurosport at the moment during the Tour of Yorkshire coverage, he said Dowsett's numbers in training were very good, and Wiggins' try will be his "one and only", and he wants to "set a milestone"
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 02, 2015, 13:35
Live Eurosport coverage of Dowsett's attempt. Just past the half-way point.

http://www.sportingvideo.tv/20150502/vv55447ed222f470.49503477-1062962.html (http://www.sportingvideo.tv/20150502/vv55447ed222f470.49503477-1062962.html)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 02, 2015, 14:14
Alex Dowsett sets new Hour Record

52.937

Monster effort, and still had the energy to hoist his bike aloft at the finish.

Looks like he could've touched the 53 mark with all the energy he had. I wonder if he'll defend it if Wiggo temporarily unseats him?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 02, 2015, 15:56
Great ride by Dowsett, good marker, and yes he did say when asked if he'd ever do it again he would consider that after June 7th...
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on May 02, 2015, 21:23
he would consider that after June 7th...
Yeah, I mean, what's the point in doing it again if Sir Wiggo only does 52.930? :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: AG on May 03, 2015, 01:23
I like Dowsett.   Super happy for him, and I hope that if Wiggo does do better that he goes again and gets 53km

Honorable mention to Movistar too for supporting him in this.  Its different training than on the road and it has taken time out of his regular season.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 03, 2015, 07:34
Yes indeed agree all that AG.  I wonder too if having been allowed to keep working so hard on his TT ing that movistar might throw him in for a crack at the yellow jersey in Utrecht?  After that he has shown that he does not shirk his Dom responsibilities.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on May 05, 2015, 08:36
https://twitter.com/BMCProTeam/status/595490620736540673
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on May 05, 2015, 09:42
I like Dowsett.   Super happy for him, and I hope that if Wiggo does do better that he goes again and gets 53km

Honorable mention to Movistar too for supporting him in this.  Its different training than on the road and it has taken time out of his regular season.

More than that, but supporting him up to his initial intended date in February (which would have allowed a pretty normal road season), and then continuing to support him after his injury.

I was driving during the attempt, so I lived vicariously through the tweets of Michael Hutchinson. This one, particularly, highlights the effort that the whole team put in for Alex.

https://twitter.com/Doctor_Hutch/status/594442835342000130

This follow-up article, also by Hutch, is a great summary.

https://twitter.com/Doctor_Hutch/status/595183143986077696

Also, a thought on Wiggins. As a time triallist - and on his day - he is certainly one of the best in the world. His biomechanics, position and pacing are incredible. His benchmark next month - 52.938km (i.e. Dowsett + 1m) - is 211.752 laps of a 250m track. That means he will need to average 17 s/lap for the whole hour. If he can bring that average down by 0.1 s/lap, he will make 53.254km, beating Dowsett by 317m. The magical 55km that some corners of the internet have mentioned - that's 220 laps, at an average of 16.36 s/lap, a whole 0.64 s/lap faster than Dowsett managed. Over the course of an hour, that is a big difference.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 05, 2015, 15:42
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Mrs Doc just looked at the squads of Movistar staff around here and said, "When we did your hour attempt, there were three of us. Three."

I'm missing something here. Could someone explain that tweet to me?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on May 05, 2015, 15:55
I'm missing something here. Could someone explain that tweet to me?

Michael Hutchinson attempted the hour record, twice, both times unsuccessfully[1]. He was in attendance in Manchester at the weekend, apparently with his wife (the aforementioned "Mrs Doc"). Her comment was to contrast the legions of Movistar team support staff (and, by extension, the marketing team and all involved at Canyon, Endura et al/) with the three people who apparently acted as Michael's crew for his attempt(s).
 1. I'm trying, equally unsuccessfully, to find out how far he managed to go
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on May 05, 2015, 16:00
I'm trying, equally unsuccessfully, to find out how far he managed to go

Aha! He didn't actually complete the hour, either time. Which I why I can't find a distance. But, the first time around, he was aiming for Boardman's mark of 49.441km, so wouldn't have troubled Dowsett, Dennis or even Dekker.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 05, 2015, 16:07
I'm trying, equally unsuccessfully, to find out how far he managed to go

It appears that in both instances, he abandoned before the finish after realizing that his attempt would be futile.

[Edit]
Ah. I should've looked up. Beaten to the punch.  :P
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on May 06, 2015, 10:37
Before I post this post - why isn't the Hour Record thread on the Velodrome/track board? Seems illogical to me.

Anyway - in what could be a classic case of putting the cart before the horse/running before you can walk/other similar metaphors, Ol' Wiggomatic will be wearing these when he attempts to break the record on June 7th.

(https://igcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t51.2885-15/11240729_394985450695846_801190646_n.jpg)

If he doesn't make it, do you think Dowsett might dig into his pockets for a new, silver pair?!?  :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on May 06, 2015, 10:41
Been interesting how little Dowsett news there has been

Dennis got a lot Even Dekker got more

Be great is Wiggo missed it  :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on May 06, 2015, 12:35
Been interesting how little Dowsett news there has been

Well, he was on BBC TV the morning after. But I think the British public are only interested if it's a name of a team/rider they recognise. Hence the outrage that Sky's team for the Giro had "no Brits!", and comments like "Where's Geraint?!". "Might as well call it Sky Italia".

Back on topic... sorry.

Be great is Wiggo missed it  :lol

I disagree - at least, partially. It would be bad, for a whole host of reasons, if Wiggo smashed the record beyond any recognition. If he gets 54.5, 55km, no-one else will attempt it. Fabs is peeed off with the record anyway, and probably doesn't have the TTing in him anymore. That only really leaves Panzerwagen, and he could conceivably attempt it immediately after the Worlds (to have the form), but I don't know that he would want to dedicate the track time necessary to do it.

If Wiggins misses it, great for Dowsett, and for any future attempt. If he beats it by a few hundred metres (53.5km is eminently plausible, as per my fag-packet calculations a few posts up) then it also leaves the door open for Dowsett to have another go, or Panzer, or Kwiato? Stefan Küng? I'm just throwing out names of good track riders now...
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 06, 2015, 16:37
Before I post this post - why isn't the Hour Record thread on the Velodrome/track board? Seems illogical to me.
There's a track sub-forum here?  :-x


Been interesting how little Dowsett news there has been
I get the impression that if Wiggo beats the record, that's all that much of the mainstream media will care about. If Dowsett were to ride 60km the next day, the press would still bang on about "the time that Wiggo beat the World Record."


I'm just throwing out names of good track riders now...
Taylor Phinney. Pretty sure he's got the Hour in his sights.

Not sure where Wiggo gets off suggesting a 20 year gap before anyone is able to beat something that he hasn't even done yet.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: cj2002 on May 06, 2015, 20:42
Not sure where Wiggo gets off suggesting a 20 year gap before anyone is able to beat something that he hasn't even done yet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/32610892 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/32610892)

This is the piece to which DB is referring. The arrogance of that man[1] is astounding.

Quote
"It sounds a bit horrible to say, but I think I could break the record tomorrow"

Roll on June 7th so we don't have to hear about him anymore.
 1. Wiggins, not DB, naturally
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 06, 2015, 21:21
It'll be interesting to see if Dowsett has another go to see what he could do.

It was the most controlled of all the recent attempts and was clearly ridden to break the record rather than to see how far he could go.

I think he could maybe push 54km if he wound it up from further out than he did this time.

I hope Wiggins sets a mark of somewhere between 53.5km and 53.75km as it won't put others off having a go for it and if people like Martin and Phinney were to also have a go at the record as suggested above it would be very interesting to see what they could do as they are the 2 riders who i think could really set a high and possibly untouchable mark.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on May 06, 2015, 21:52
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/32610892 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/32610892)

This is the piece to which DB is referring. The arrogance of that man[1] is astounding.

Roll on June 7th so we don't have to hear about him anymore.
 1. Wiggins, not DB, naturally
Good God. What an arrogance - and what a lack of respect, bordering on contempt, for his competitors.
In that piece, he sounds like he's God's gift to cycling, deciding to grace our sport by his immaculate presence.
 :barf


I believe Dowsett's strategy of going for breaking the current record was better. If you bite off too much, you could run into trouble trying to chew it all.
55 km would require sub-16.4 lap times on average for an hour.

I look forward to Wiggo's attempt - if he can really do that (and I doubt that he can), I'll salute him. If he can't, he's received his come-uppance.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on May 06, 2015, 22:15
Only just watched Dowsetts record. Incredibly disciplined, very un-alex like performance but got the job done.

Theres no doubt in my mind that Dowsett can go quicker than he did, now hes had the record even if Wiggins gets it I think Alex will have another go and put himself deep into the red.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on May 06, 2015, 22:20
It appears that in both instances, he abandoned before the finish after realizing that his attempt would be futile.

[Edit]
Ah. I should've looked up. Beaten to the punch.  :P

He wrote a very good book about the hour and his failed experiences though
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on May 06, 2015, 22:38
On a side note, it was interesting to see not just Unzué in Manchester, but a huge number of Movistar staff.

Its quite interesting, in a good way, that a Spanish team have taken on this lad from Essex, and renewed his contract for another three years now untli 2017. In the hour record attempt alone there seems to have been a huge amount of investment, not just financially from the team in hiring the london velodrome multiple times, canyon etc, but also the sheer man hours theyve put into Dowsett.

In return, hes won stage of the giro (and helped them come second in the TT - although its noticable their TT'ing has improved since he joined.. dunno if hes giving them pointers), and a stage in the Circuit Sarthe, but considering the win at all costs the peloton shows at times (and considering Dowsett is someone considered by many to have very few darkside issues), that 2 wins is enough to get another three years.

They even allow him time to do things like London Nocturne, go for british national 25m tt records, ride national track titles, madison etc.

I realise hes still very young, only 26 and they are making an investment for the future, which could pay off if he goes for the hour multiple times, I just find it interesting that a Spanish team has so much faith in a wee lad from Essex. Maybe they just arent paying him very much.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 06, 2015, 22:57
On a side note, it was interesting to see not just Unzué in Manchester, but a huge number of Movistar staff.

Its quite interesting, in a good way, that a Spanish team have taken on this lad from Essex, and renewed his contract for another three years now untli 2017. In the hour record attempt alone there seems to have been a huge amount of investment, not just financially from the team in hiring the london velodrome multiple times, canyon etc, but also the sheer man hours theyve put into Dowsett.

In return, hes won stage of the giro (and helped them come second in the TT - although its noticable their TT'ing has improved since he joined.. dunno if hes giving them pointers), and a stage in the Circuit Sarthe, but considering the win at all costs the peloton shows at times (and considering Dowsett is someone considered by many to have very few darkside issues), that 2 wins is enough to get another three years.

They even allow him time to do things like London Nocturne, go for british national 25m tt records, ride national track titles, madison etc.

I realise hes still very young, only 26 and they are making an investment for the future, which could pay off if he goes for the hour multiple times, I just find it interesting that a Spanish team has so much faith in a wee lad from Essex. Maybe they just arent paying him very much.

It would be intersting to know the fine details of his contract at Movistar. My guess is that he is on less than he was at Sky but that has come with the freedom to set some personal goals. At sky he might have ended up just being another domestique (although probably well remunerated) with limited opportunities for himself.

If he makes the tour team for Movistar this year with the right preparation coming off his training for the hour I would make him a serious contender to take stage 1 and the yellow jersey which would certainly be something for the team to aim for with him.

With regards to the point about the teams TTing I remember an article where he basically had to beg the team to give him a TT bike for training. Perhaps they've realised for the riders to get better at it they all need a training TT bike.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 06, 2015, 23:04
Not sure he would be on less than he was at Sky, as I think they were back in to re-sign him before he re-upped with Movistar, so something broadly comparable.  He is a great lad, and I really hope he gets to wear yellow in Utrecht.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on May 06, 2015, 23:07
I think he was very disappointed after having to miss the tour last year, so that he still signed for another 3 months just a couple of weeks later must be a sign that he is really satisfied there overall
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Dim on May 06, 2015, 23:48
With regards to the point about the teams TTing I remember an article where he basically had to beg the team to give him a TT bike for training. Perhaps they've realised for the riders to get better at it they all need a training TT bike.

movistars TTT'ing seemed to improve the minute he joined in 2013. I find it hard to believe a team that had guys like Indurain in its history wouldnt have had some TT'ing experts and training bikes.

I guess the way movistar look at it is they have plenty of contenders for one day races and grand tours, so to an extent they can afford to let Alex do his own thing. If he can take yellow in the tour, coupled with his Giro win he stands as maybe becoming one of the rare group to win a stage in all three grand tours, and as i say, still very young. With Wiggins, Cancellara out of the way, and Martin waning, even world championships arent out of his reach now
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: AG on May 07, 2015, 00:58
yep - he is the TT'ing star of the future.  (Martin still has a fair amount of time left in the sun though)


As for Wiggins - that interview is a prime example of exactly why I dislike him so very much.   Blergh
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on May 07, 2015, 04:37
Dowsett said after he won tge Giro ITT he had to beg for a TT bike at home, and the win showed why it was important.

Rory Sunderland really likes the team as well, calls it a family atmosphere
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on May 07, 2015, 16:57
As something of a traditionalist I can't believe I am suggesting this, but I think those riders who hold or have held the hour record should be able to show this on their team kit.  I am not suggesting any form of dilution of the sacred rainbow sleeve bands, but some other permanent recognition of their endeavour and achievement.

What do you think and what might work? 

Nb I appreciate the hour is track based but (as the placement of this thread shows) it transcends cycling so I would suggest that the suitable motif be allowable on track, road race and TT kit!


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Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on May 07, 2015, 17:08
As something of a traditionalist I can't believe I am suggesting this, but I think those riders who hold or have held the hour record should be able to show this on their team kit.  I am not suggesting any form of dilution of the sacred rainbow sleeve bands, but some other permanent recognition of their endeavour and achievement.
I couldn't agree more.
Samu had golden accents on his #euskaltel kit, and I believe he kept those even after 2012. The team winning the Worlds TTT gets a stupid logo to put on their kit (all team jerseys, not just those of the riders who participated) - Hour Record holders should have something similar.

At the very least, they should be allowed to put the logo on the board behind Dowsett on their personal kit & equipment:
(http://www.insidethegames.biz/media/image/1326/o/Alex%20Dowsett%20broke%20the%20world%20hour%20record%20with%20a%20distance%20of%2052.937km.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 08, 2015, 02:56
As something of a traditionalist I can't believe I am suggesting this, but I think those riders who hold or have held the hour record should be able to show this on their team kit.
I like the idea, but only if someone is a current record holder. Since "have held" could be for only a very short time, I think it would more appropriate to only go to an active rider for as long as they actually own the record.


At the very least, they should be allowed to put the logo on the board behind Dowsett on their personal kit & equipment:

I was imagining something a bit more subtle:
(http://images2.mtv.com/uri/mgid:file:docroot:vh1.com:/sitewide/flipbooks/img/shows/hip_hop_honors_2009/hhh_2009_red_carpet/01_91098162.jpg?enlarge=false&matte=true&matteColor=black&quality=0.85)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on May 08, 2015, 08:43
Very subtle indeed. Almost unnoticeable! :lol

I like the idea, but only if someone is a current record holder. Since "have held" could be for only a very short time, I think it would more appropriate to only go to an active rider for as long as they actually own the record.
I can see why - but, e.g., Dowsett can't do for the fact that Wiggins' attempt is scheduled to be only one month after his own, can he?
I believe an Hour Record Holder (past or present) should be entitled to 'ex-champion bands'. Make them blue or white, with that aforementioned logo.

The current holder could then have a more noticeable logo on his jersey.
Maybe the size of it could be scaled according to how much he beat the record by ... :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on May 19, 2015, 00:11
Interesting little bit of news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02rnyr1

Bradley Wiggins competed in the (Hull) City Road Club 10 mile time trial on Saturday. Ten mile TTs on public roads are a great tradition of UK cycling clubs.

What makes this interesting is that the current British 10 mile record is held by one Alex Dowsett, and Wiggins fell short of his mark by 38 seconds. It doesn't really mean given that we are talking about barely regulated events on roads full of traffic and who knows what kind of weather conditions but still a bit juicy!

[edit] Also cool to see how many people were out standing on overpasses and hard shoulders just to watch Wiggo go by. Also he won 50 pounds for first place.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 19, 2015, 03:54
Ten mile TTs on public roads are a great tradition of UK cycling clubs.

Interesting. I did not know that. I've been seeing some of the chatter about this event, but I had no idea they it was actually held on open roads.  :o

Crazy.

Also crazy is the speed with which Wiggins completely scorches past Andy Birdsall in that video. He's going damn near as fast as the cars!  :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 01, 2015, 21:19
Only a few more days left before Wiggo's attempt.

UCI provides clarification about hour record doping control testing for Wiggins and others (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/06/uci-provides-clarification-about-hour-record-doping-control-testing-for-wiggins-and-others/)

I've edited the following to provide a tidy recap of recent attempts.

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Jens Voigt — 51.110 km on September 18, 2014.

-IAM Cycling’s Matthias Brandle — 51.852 km on October 30, 2015

-BMC Racing Team’s Rohan Dennis — 52.491 km on February 8, 2015

-BMC Racing Team’s Alex Dowsett — 52.937 on  May 2, 2015

Bobridge, Dekker and Gustav Larsson (Cult Energy Pro Cycling) all came up short in their attempts.

Quote
Current UCI world time trial champion Wiggins has predicted that he will beat Dowsett’s record by over a kilometre when he takes it on this coming Sunday [June 7th]. At the start of May he suggested that he would likely go between 53.5 kilometres and 55 kilometres in the 60 minutes.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 02, 2015, 01:09
Wiggins putting on his more reasonable face in this video.

Bradley Wiggins targeting 55.250km in hour record attempt (http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/21686/9872254/sir-bradley-wiggins-targeting-55250km-in-hour-record-attempt)

He'll not be accused of ignoring the details of the Hour attempt. With the right conditions, Wiggo suspects he may be able to surpass Boardman's record.
Quote
“I’m not a weather man, but if you have really low pressure, under 1,000 [grams per cubic metre], you will travel a lot further on the day – anything up to 1km for the same power.

“The weather forecast for the first week in June is abnormally low pressure for London for that time of year, which is fantastic. That has dictated everything. You could go a kilometre either way depending on air pressure.
Quote
“Pace judgement is everything in the hour record,” he said. “If you can ride 16.1 or 16.2-second laps constantly for 221 laps, and not go 15.9s or 16.4s, it’s keeping it on the line every lap, lap after lap.

Quote
Where you can watch Wiggins' hour

-Sky Sports 2HD

-Sky Sports' apps

-Freeview channel PICK

-www.skysports.com 

-Sky Sports' YouTube channel  That's great!
God damn it! Live stream UK only.  :angry WTF?!


Quote
The attempt will take place from 6.30pm-7.30pm BST and we will screen every minute - uninterrupted by adverts - in no fewer than five places.

Our programme will run from 6pm-8pm, with 30 minutes of build-up and 30 minutes of reaction afterwards.

We will have an exclusive interview with Wiggins, as well as expert studio guests Dame Sarah Storey and Rob Hayles giving their insight and opinion.


Quote
Everyone in the UK can watch thanks to live coverage from Sky Sports on television and online.
 :lll
How myopic can they be? (http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/9861529/sir-bradley-wiggins-hour-record-attempt-how-to-watch)
Why isn't the UCI broadcasting this internationally on their own Youtube channel?
WTF is the problem here?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on June 02, 2015, 16:04
Regarding the low pressure, Dr. Hutch begs to differ:
https://twitter.com/Doctor_Hutch/status/605694414892187648
https://twitter.com/Doctor_Hutch/status/605695232068468736

Live stream UK only.  :angry WTF?!

How myopic can they be?[/url]
Why isn't the UCI broadcasting this internationally on their own Youtube channel?
WTF is the problem here?
They really lost the plot here. Cycling's greatest star since Eddy Merckx a Tour winner, TT and track Olympic champion taking on cycling's grand event, and the world is shut out ... Seriously, UCI, you show Thomas Dekker - but not Bradley Wiggins? :fp
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on June 02, 2015, 16:55
Regarding the low pressure, Dr. Hutch begs to differ:
https://twitter.com/Doctor_Hutch/status/605694414892187648
https://twitter.com/Doctor_Hutch/status/605695232068468736
They really lost the plot here. Cycling's greatest star since Eddy Merckx a Tour winner, TT and track Olympic champion taking on cycling's grand event, and the world is shut out ... Seriously, UCI, you show Thomas Dekker - but not Bradley Wiggins? :fp

al about the Money someone somewhere will be holding the exclusive rights


pps is it ok to hope he doesn´t beat the record and cracks the sh*ts and never tries again ??
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 02, 2015, 20:12
I thought the London velodrome had some climate control system to make the conditions better for potential world record times at the Olympics.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 02, 2015, 20:56
I thought the London velodrome had some climate control system to make the conditions better for potential world record times at the Olympics.
I would think that Wiggo would avoid using a track that has the word "slow" as part of its description.  :S

Quote
@Doctor_Hutch
Combination of slow London track... :slow


What makes it slow, and is this something that's universally accepted as fact?
Perhaps Mellow Velo could weigh-in on this one.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 02, 2015, 21:10
someone somewhere will be holding the exclusive rights

To what end though? What is there to be gained by shutting out the world on a "world record" attempt?

Seeing it live is really the only thing they can capitalize on. No one is going to watch any after-the-fact broadcast or purchase the DVD Collectors Edition. He either breaks the record or he doesn't. 60 seconds after he finishes, everyone will know, and the story will be complete.

I am curious about the Sky Media vs UCI dynamics in all this. How do the rights get sorted, and what is the plot that I am missing here?

They seem to be offering it for free viewing in the UK, so why eliminate the rest of the planet?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on June 02, 2015, 21:36
They seem to be offering it for free viewing in the UK, so why eliminate the rest of the planet?
Obviously all the people who do not live in the UK are unworthy of watching the brilliance of Sir Wiggo. :P

It can't even be that there are no Sky channels elsewhere (although the German and Italian Sky is different from the British) ... :(
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on June 02, 2015, 21:38
al about the Money someone somewhere will be holding the exclusive rights
:barf

pps is it ok to hope he doesn´t beat the record and cracks the sh*ts and never tries again ??
Paraphrasing Bert Brecht, 'the thoughts are free'.
You can hope for whatever you want. Nobody can stop you from that. ;)

Yes. yes, it is OK. :shh
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: AG on June 03, 2015, 00:38
perhaps they thought the rest of the world wouldnt be that interested  :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 04, 2015, 20:36
http://thecyclingpodcast.com/podcast/the-bradley-wiggins-hour-record-preview-show

The Telegraph's cycling podcast talks about the hour and interviews all three Brits to hold the record (Graeme Obree, Chris Boardman, Alex Dowsett) as well as Sir Bradley Wiggins.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on June 06, 2015, 08:40
an infographic about the development of the records, from today's Het Nieuwsblad

(http://i.imgur.com/fwAg4R0.png)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 06, 2015, 16:09
So this isn't the result of the best and brightest minds of British Cycling working in unison to achieve a landmark in the sport?

Not being facetious here. I genuinely assumed this to be quite the collaborative effort. But I guess not. :slow

Bradley Wiggins liberated by Hour Record challenge (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bradley-wiggins-liberated-by-hour-record-challenge)

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“You’re a one-man band,” [Wiggins] told reporters at the velodrome on Tuesday. “From the start of this it was my project – I had to take control and lead it, and have my own input and ideas on what I thought I needed to do for this record. So in that sense it’s been a lot easier than just being dictated to. It’s quite liberating.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 07, 2015, 00:19
 :lol

https://twitter.com/ProCyclingStats/status/607300631494160384
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 07, 2015, 01:52
an infographic about the development of the records, from today's Het Nieuwsblad

(http://i.imgur.com/fwAg4R0.png)

Where's Chris Boardman?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on June 07, 2015, 09:04
Where's Chris Boardman?
Who?

That Russian guy is also missing. What time will the Bradster be released today? It is rumoured he did about 55 in training already  :S

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/607435398676148224

Yeah, it worked again!
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 07, 2015, 10:18
For those of you outside the UK who appeared to be worried that you wouldn't be able to watch the great Sir WIGGINS ride round and round in ovals it does appear that a stream will be available outside the UK on the UCI Youtube channel.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on June 07, 2015, 14:04
Who?

That Russian guy is also missing.
That Russian guy is a *cz Czech guy! :angry
Ondřej Sosenka, a veritable beast of an engine (and, sure, banned for EPO later).
He did his Hour in Moscow, but he's NOT Russian!


Also, good to hear that it's on the UCI channel after all.
Seems that *gb British article simply only referenced the ways for Brits to watch Wiggo's Hour - for everybody knows that nobody outside the UK is worth being addressed ... ;)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on June 07, 2015, 14:30
Sorry, I meant that Polish guy off course:
(http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?chs=440x220&cht=t&chtm=world&chf=bg,s,EAF7FE&chco=FFFFFF,DCE6F2,376092&chld=PLUS&chd=t:100,33.333333333333)

http://lastnames.myheritage.nl/last-name/sosenka

 :-x

Those names are abacadabra to me, my bad.

Will Sir Bradster beat Rominger's time?

https://twitter.com/festinaboy/status/607535295681167362
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 07, 2015, 14:52
It does appear that a stream will be available outside the UK on the UCI Youtube channel.

I just hope it doesn't turn out to be Geo-restricted at the time of broadcast.

As the moment, there is a visible clock countdown. What's strange, is that according to the on-screen stats:

Quote
Please stand by  3:30:00

"24 watching now"  :D

157-thumbs up  14-thumbs down  :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XgL3ByqBVo
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 07, 2015, 14:57
I just hope it doesn't turn out to be Geo-restricted at the time of broadcast.

As the moment, there is a visible clock countdown. What's strange, is that according to the on-screen stats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XgL3ByqBVo

If that is what you're getting at the moment i'd imagine it won't be geo restricted. I'm in the UK and it is already telling me that

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country"
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: pastronef on June 07, 2015, 17:26
some fans waiting and chatting

https://www.twitter.com/richardmoore73/status/607577553231081472
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on June 07, 2015, 17:44
Pastro, am I allowed to laugh now?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: pastronef on June 07, 2015, 17:49
Pastro, am I allowed to laugh now?

yes, why?

Bruyneel lives in London, Miguel invited by Pinarello

I know the pic can irk somebody. but it's my teenage memories that like it. "l'entrèe dans Liege" Tour 1995. wow
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Joelsim on June 07, 2015, 17:50
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggoooooooooooooooo!

(Sorry to be partisan).

 :cool
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on June 07, 2015, 18:06
yes, why?
You know.

But blessed are those who don't want to know.

[Mig gives me an idge, I didnt even recognize fat Johan, he means shiiite to me, I am no Americano]

Have a great evening fellows!

And I mean that.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 07, 2015, 18:08
yes, why?

Bruyneel lives in London, Miguel invited by Pinarello

I know the pic can irk somebody. but it's my teenage memories that like it. "l'entrèe dans Liege" Tour 1995. wow

It Irks me. Being the Indurain fanboy that I am I would like Miiguel to punch Johann for that Stage into Liege in '95
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: pastronef on June 07, 2015, 18:13
It Irks me. Being the Indurain fanboy that I am I would like Miiguel to punch Johann for that Stage into Liege in '95

well, back on topic to the hour record. nice to see Wiggo on a Pinarello, after Miguel in 1994.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 07, 2015, 18:20
well, back on topic to the hour record. nice to see Wiggo on a Pinarello, after Miguel in 1994.

I thought he might be on a UK Institute of Sport bike to be honest. Designed specifically for the track rather than a heavily modified road TT bike.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on June 07, 2015, 18:37
Can't believe they missed the start for ad break  :angry
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on June 07, 2015, 18:59
Couldnt anyone explain to Brits the standard in cycling isnt Miles PH but Kilometres PH?

Thats sad fella's.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: pastronef on June 07, 2015, 19:09
https://www.twitter.com/GraemeObree/status/607597208733683712
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Murrjt on June 07, 2015, 19:36
Thanks for the free energy gels, Brad.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 07, 2015, 20:25
Wiggo smashed the record but I don't think he put it out of reach in the way he'd hoped to. 54.526km is his official distance.

If it's true that he managed 54.9 in training then I'd really like him to go for a stealthy second attempt on a day when the weather is more favourable, you could tell he was really struggling to stay on his pace towards the end of the hour. It's weird that this whole thing was engineered more as a TV spectacle than a legitimate attempt to push the record as far as it can go.

I could see Tony Martin beating this time with the right conditions.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on June 07, 2015, 20:57
If it's true that he managed 54.9 in training then I'd really like him to go for a stealthy second attempt on a day when the weather is more favourable, you could tell he was really struggling to stay on his pace towards the end of the hour.

I didn't watch it, but what happened to the air pressure regulator in the London velodrome, that allowed the Brits to go for all the fabulous world records in the Olympics?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 07, 2015, 21:32
I didn't watch it, but what happened to the air pressure regulator in the London velodrome, that allowed the Brits to go for all the fabulous world records in the Olympics?

I guess they can't regulate the pressure, only the temperature? I'm not certain. I suspect the high pressure causes more problems over longer distances.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: l29205 on June 07, 2015, 21:35

I could see Tony Martin beating this time with the right conditions.

Martin is the only person I see able to beat this distance. 
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on June 07, 2015, 21:36
I didn't watch it, but what happened to the air pressure regulator in the London velodrome, that allowed the Brits to go for all the fabulous world records in the Olympics?
That switch is only turned on at the Olympics, you knew that.


Great new record for Wiggins.

Do I care? No, sorry. Never cared, never will, only for benchmarking.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Joelsim on June 07, 2015, 21:43
I didn't watch it, but what happened to the air pressure regulator in the London velodrome, that allowed the Brits to go for all the fabulous world records in the Olympics?

There isn't one.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 07, 2015, 21:48
Does anyone have a graphic of Wiggo's lap times? They briefly flashed one on the UCI stream but it was stretched out and wacky.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Joelsim on June 07, 2015, 21:54
Does anyone have a graphic of Wiggo's lap times? They briefly flashed one on the UCI stream but it was stretched out and wacky.

Here

Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 07, 2015, 22:08
Compare with

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9VACdaIQAE9zCo.png)

Wiggo extraordinarily evenly paced with his effort, even though he does fatigue in the second half and has a few crises in the final 50 laps. Two quick laps at the very end.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Joelsim on June 07, 2015, 22:26
Compare with

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9VACdaIQAE9zCo.png)

Wiggo extraordinarily evenly paced with is effort, even though he does fatigue in the second half and has a few crises in the final 50 laps. Two quick laps at the very end.

He's a master. His body hardly moved for the whole hour.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Claudio Cappuccino on June 07, 2015, 22:40
When the air pressure regulator would have been turned on he would have gone even faster, more stabile I guess.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Joelsim on June 07, 2015, 22:45
When the air pressure regulator would have been turned on he would have gone even faster, more stabile I guess.

They only turn that on for the Olympics to ensure the Brits win lots of world records. Or when Mo Farah comes to town.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on June 07, 2015, 23:21
Got to say the most stylish "hour" of this 2000's era, great marketing from Wiggins, Sky, Rapha, pinarello, and the distance jacket was a thing of beauty, never buy one, never wear one, but an iconic piece of cycling kit!
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: AG on June 08, 2015, 00:29
wow - comparing those graphs, that is an incredible effort from Brad ...
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 08, 2015, 01:03
Wiggo smashed the record but I don't think he put it out of reach in the way he'd hoped to.

54.526km is his official distance.

I think that's worth highlighting, if just for the sake of what we do around here.

Personally, I thoroughly enjoyed it (even though I bailed on the live chat as it went off the deep end). I enjoyed the build up to it, and I learned quite a bit along the way.

The UCI Youtube feed was excellent, and Matt Stephens did a great job with his one-man commentary (his own Hour record, of sorts, come to think of it). I'm not a fan of Brad, but it wasn't about him as far as I was concerned. I couldn't care less if he broke the record or not. I just enjoyed watching it all unfold. As I stated previously, I find it surprisingly easy to sit through these attempts. Thirty minutes of bad TV programming can easily be more difficult to endure. I actually like the hypnotizing monotony of the Hour. Although I suspect that the participants my have a different take on the experience.

So there it is: 54.526km
Now we have a modern record worthy of contesting. And I believe that to be much of the point behind Wiggo's effort in the first place.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 09, 2015, 01:01
So this isn't the result of the best and brightest minds of British Cycling working in unison to achieve a landmark in the sport?

Not being facetious here. I genuinely assumed this to be quite the collaborative effort. But I guess not. :slow

Bradley Wiggins liberated by Hour Record challenge (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bradley-wiggins-liberated-by-hour-record-challenge)
Quote
“You’re a one-man band,” [Wiggins] told reporters at the velodrome on Tuesday. “From the start of this it was my project – I had to take control and lead it, and have my own input and ideas on what I thought I needed to do for this record. So in that sense it’s been a lot easier than just being dictated to. It’s quite liberating.

Well this is interesting.
British Cycling was 'too involved' in Sir Bradley Wiggins record (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/33050858)
Quote
British Cycling was "too involved" in Sir Bradley Wiggins' hour record bid, says a coach of fellow Briton Alex Dowsett, the man whose record he beat.

Steve Collins alleged the governing body helped design parts of Wiggins' bike, which he felt was "not allowed".

"He also had the help of British Cycling which, well, is not allowed. It was a bit strange to see British Cycling, like [coach] Shane Sutton, getting so involved last night when he doesn't work for Team Wiggins, I'm not sure how that's allowed."

Can someone sort this out for me?  :S

I would've thought that half the point was to rally the troops and bring all the fire power one could muster to set a new world record.

Didn't Cancellara have the full support of Trek, and everything they could bring to the table, when he was originally considering this?

Since when is the supposed to be a "one-man band"?

And if Wiggins did have a full team of people behind him, why is he spouting such BS about it being something other than that? (Rhetorical, I know.)

What are the "rules" regarding collaboration etc?


I guess this means there's yet more to learn about the fascinating pursuit of The Hour.  :cool  :P
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 09, 2015, 01:16
When Wiggo says 'one-man band' he is trying to say that he was the one making the decisions about every aspect of his hour attempt, not that he did the whole thing on his own. Rather than British cycling telling him 'OK Brad, Athens in four years, you are going to spend every week between now and then training to ride four kilometers in four minutes and sixteen seconds', this was him going to British cycling and saying 'I am going to attempt the hour record and I want to target Rominger's pace and you should help me'.

I can understand Dowsett being peeved though, Wiggo is absolutely the golden boy of British Cycling and he absolutely gets preferential treatment. I don't know about this quote from Steve Collins though, I wasn't aware there was any restriction on who is allowed to assist a rider making an hour record attempt and how much assistance they are allowed to offer.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on June 09, 2015, 07:04
I can understand Dowsett being peeved though, Wiggo is absolutely the golden boy of British Cycling and he absolutely gets preferential treatment. I don't know about this quote from Steve Collins though, I wasn't aware there was any restriction on who is allowed to assist a rider making an hour record attempt and how much assistance they are allowed to offer.

Collins seems to be conflating situations like "Simon Clarke is on a different team from Richie Porte and was not allowed to help him by a wheel change" with "Shane Sutton is on a different team from Bradley Wiggins and so shouldn't be allowed to help him": a totally false parallel.  If he thinks it is against a rule, he should be able to point at a rule that it transgresses, and there isn't one.

Although I get the impression that Dowsett had full backing from all involved with Movistar, and part of the commercial imperative behind such attempts is to show off the abilities of one's suppliers, Collins seems to have an agenda of "Dowsett is British too: how come he didn't get the backing of BC?".  In this, he seems to totally ignore the nature of the relationship between Sky, Team Wiggins and British Cycling.

The difference between the two successful attempts in terms of media coverage in the UK has been rather nauseating to observe, though.  That might be the Sky/BC PR machine at work, but I think it is far more likely that it is the case that it is not sufficient in a minority sport to be a record breaking Brit to earn acclaim for one's achievement, it is all about being a 'sleb'.  Puke.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: AG on June 09, 2015, 07:59
Collins seems to be conflating situations like "Simon Clarke is on a different team from Richie Porte and was not allowed to help him by a wheel change" with "Shane Sutton is on a different team from Bradley Wiggins and so shouldn't be allowed to help him": a totally false parallel.  If he thinks it is against a rule, he should be able to point at a rule that it transgresses, and there isn't one.

Although I get the impression that Dowsett had full backing from all involved with Movistar, and part of the commercial imperative behind such attempts is to show off the abilities of one's suppliers, Collins seems to have an agenda of "Dowsett is British too: how come he didn't get the backing of BC?". In this, he seems to totally ignore the nature of the relationship between Sky, Team Wiggins and British Cycling.

The difference between the two successful attempts in terms of media coverage in the UK has been rather nauseating to observe, though.  That might be the Sky/BC PR machine at work, but I think it is far more likely that it is the case that it is not sufficient in a minority sport to be a record breaking Brit to earn acclaim for one's achievement, it is all about being a 'sleb'.  Puke.

I think you have it there.

We have to remember too that Brad has told all and sundry that he has ridden his last race for Sky - that he is now training for Rio ... for British Cycling ... and is and always has been under both banners.

Its not terribly surprising that he was being supported by both
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: L'arri on June 09, 2015, 08:21
I was pretty impressed with MOV letting Dowsett spend so long off the road but I suppose it had much to do with Canyon being hungry for something on its palmares, just as Pinarello was very visible on Wiggins' ride.

It is true that the razmatazz around Wiggins was a bit over the top but Dowsett can always have another shot later in his career.

I think there will be a period of quiet now. As long as the record was still beatable by increments, any specialist TTist could have a crack at it, but now it will need a world standard TTist.

Not sure Cancellara will bother but Tony Hans Joachim Martin might want to do it, since it would probably appeal to his methodical nature. There's no hurry for him though, he's five years younger than Wiggins.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: lancasterke on June 09, 2015, 08:25
slight aside, here, but it looked like BW was wearing a skinsuit of a similar style to the ones sky wore a couple of years ago, with a very prominent wire/seam at the front of the arm.

I thought these were illegal, and hence why sky didn't wear them anymore.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03333/bradley-wiggins_3333322b.jpg

with regards to legal or illegal components. I'm sure the custom TT bars are intended to be illegal when the rules were written (about everything being commercially available) but British Cycling have long flouted this by pretending to sell their stuff to anyone who pretends they want to buy it.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on June 09, 2015, 11:10
https://twitter.com/cyclingweekly/status/608207322557607936
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Flaco on June 09, 2015, 15:16
Bradley Wiggins position in the hour record it's illegal, the position was banned immediately after Floyd Landis used it in the TdF 2006, arm should be horizontal. I guess rules don't apply for Wiggins, first ar the Tour of Yorkshire and now in the hour record. Brain Cookson is worth then Pat McQuaid.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on June 09, 2015, 15:21
https://twitter.com/cyclingweekly/status/608207322557607936
Only the guy isn't actually Dowsett's coach ... :fp
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on June 09, 2015, 15:33
Only the guy isn't actually Dowsett's coach ... :fp

look who wrote it  :lol
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on June 09, 2015, 15:56
look who wrote it  :lol
I don't need to ... :P
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 09, 2015, 18:52
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/09/bradley-wiggins-team-rebut-rule-bending-accusations-hour-record

The complaints from people peripherally associated with Dowsett's camp are nothing but hot air. The attempt never would have gone ahead without UCI approval of the bike and the skinsuit.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: AG on June 10, 2015, 01:53
I laughed though - I thought that I had read that Canyon developed stuff on their bike especially for Dowsett as well ...


I do think that Sky/BC push the boundaries when it comes to equipment.  The rules are supposed to be that it must be commercially available, and that simply aint the case with their equipment.   

But that is something the UCI should be pulling up BEFORE the attempt.  Not for others to use to slag him off afterwards.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Jamsque on June 10, 2015, 02:27
Yeah this is always how BC have done it, I remember some brouhaha around the skinsuits they used in London too. The 'commercially available' rule turns out to be pretty lenient, you have months and months after the fact in which to meet it and you might only have to sell one of each piece of equipment to be safe. I read that Canyon made nine bikes for Dowsett's attempt and plans to sell at most two of them.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on June 10, 2015, 21:17
Some graphs:
https://twitter.com/xavierdisley/status/608541932139257856
https://twitter.com/xavierdisley/status/608542454103613440
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on September 28, 2015, 09:26
Eddy Planckaert set a new hour record last week - on a wooden bike

(http://nl.metrotime.be/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/BELGAIMAGE-85628356-1024x682.jpg)(http://nl.metrotime.be/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/75811017_72347030.jpg)
(http://nl.metrotime.be/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/BELGAIMAGE-85628516-1024x659.jpg)(http://nl.metrotime.be/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/BELGAIMAGE-85628636-1024x740.jpg)(http://nl.metrotime.be/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/BELGAIMAGE-85628585-840x1024.jpg)

11km, 932m and 94 centimeter

http://nl.metrotime.be/2015/09/25/news/eddy-planckaert-57-vestigt-uurrecord-op-houten-fiets/
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: just some guy on November 22, 2015, 09:07
Wiggins might have a go at the merckx hour - after the Olympics at some stage , maybe


http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/11/news/wiggins-hints-at-taking-on-merckx-hour_389714
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on September 12, 2016, 19:03
#rally Tom Zirbel goes for the hour this week, and targets to break the American record

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zirbel-to-make-hour-record-attempt-this-week/
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 15, 2016, 03:54
#rally Tom Zirbel goes for the hour this week, and targets to break the American record

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zirbel-to-make-hour-record-attempt-this-week/

"The American record."  :lol

Why is there even such a thing? It holds zero relevance in the big picture.

The Hour Record really needs to be all or nothing. Isn't that the whole point?

Bradley Wiggins is the man to beat. Period.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on September 15, 2016, 05:41
"The American record."  :lol

Why is there even such a thing? It holds zero relevance in the big picture.

The Hour Record really needs to be all or nothing. Isn't that the whole point?

Bradley Wiggins is the man to beat. Period.
The same way there are world and national records in virtually any other timed athletic discipline, there are national Hour Records as well.

But yes, you're right.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on September 15, 2016, 20:55
So who next for an attempt on the real record - passed mr dowsett driving in opposite direction earlier tonight - another go?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Archieboy on October 01, 2016, 09:25
Just want to say good luck to Colin Lynch on his attempt in Manchester today.
Go fella
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 01, 2016, 10:43
Archieboy we need you to channel all of the luck that you can muster to the 'London Stadium' this afternoon...   :o
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Archieboy on October 01, 2016, 21:23
Just want to say good luck to Colin Lynch on his attempt in Manchester today.
Go fella

Well done that man, smashed it.





Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on January 28, 2017, 18:24
http://feltet.dk/nyheder/martin_toft_madsen_satte_timerekord/ (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/martin_toft_madsen_satte_timerekord/)

Reigning Danish ITT champion Martin Toft Madsen set a new *dk Hour Record, smashing Ole Ritter's 1974 distance of 48.879 km (which was the World Hour Record at the time) and posting 52.114 tonight as part of the Copenhagen Sixdays program. :cool

And he's said that he will try to go after Wiggins' mark of 54.526 at some point in time too.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on October 11, 2017, 11:22
#jopiels Dion Beukeboom plans to give it a try to beat Wiggins' record at the Aguascalientes velodrome in Mexico

Quote
“I do not have the illusion that I am a better cyclist than Wiggins. But I know that Wiggins did his record under conditions that were not ideal, [...] the Hour Record was not as quick as it could have been. There is a window of opportunity and we want to crawl through it.

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/dutch-rider-youve-never-heard-says-hes-going-break-bradley-wiggins-hour-record-354675
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 11, 2017, 23:24
Wonder if Dowsett's iminent transfer means that his November attempt is on hold - possibly indefinitely if he really makes the progression to full time Dom next season rather than light Dom and occasional ITT er ?
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on October 12, 2017, 07:19
Wonder if Dowsett's iminent transfer means that his November attempt is on hold - possibly indefinitely if he really makes the progression to full time Dom next season rather than light Dom and occasional ITT er ?

it has been cancelled, yes:

Quote
Dowsett had been scheduled to have a second tilt at the World Hour Record, which he lost to Bradley Wiggins in 2015, this year but that has been cancelled. However, he is still keen to reclaim it though he has not had any detailed discussions directly with Katusha.

“I’ll get settled first.” he said. “I’ve got seven years to do the Hour Record but it’s a shame it didn’t happen this year. I know the numbers are there and I can do it, I just need three months’ warning and an hour slot in Manchester.”

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/alex-dowsett-relishing-chance-marcel-kittel-lead-role-katusha-2018-350602

he is still with Canyon though as Katusha uses the same bikes as Movistar. So if the company still thinks that he can do it, there's a chance that he will get another try I guess
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on July 27, 2018, 04:40
It seems that Danish National Time Trial Champion Martin Toft Madsen made an attempt in Mexico today but came up short. He was about 900 meters off the record of 54.526 km. Toft Madsen finished at 53.63 kilometers.

I can't find anything in English about this, so maybe someone else can provide more info. I did, however, come across one great Google translation. Dutch rider Dion Beukeboom will apparently be making his run at Wiggins' record on August 22 at the Mexican Velodromo Bicentenario in Aguascalientes (which is where I believe Toft Madsen made his attempt today?).

Google Translate offered this gem:
Quote
Beukeboom has already announced its attempt some time ago, but the UCI is now reporting that all data are in jugs and jars.
:D I've no idea what that's supposed to mean.  :lol


Apparently there was a live Youtube feed of today's attempt, but I hadn't seen a word about it.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on July 27, 2018, 10:10
It seems that Danish National Time Trial Champion Martin Toft Madsen made an attempt in Mexico today but came up short. He was about 900 meters off the record of 54.526 km. Toft Madsen finished at 53.63 kilometers.
It was live on Danish TV, but even I only learned about it a few days ago, mostly by accident.

Here's the UCI livestream from YouTube from Toft's attempt in Aguascalientes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7mgcmQUe_w

And a news article from Feltet.dk in *dk:
Martin Toft Madsen slog ikke timerekorden (http://www.feltet.dk/nyheder/martin_toft_madsen_slog_ikke_timerekorden/)

It seems that Danish National Time Trial Champion Martin Toft Madsen made an attempt in Mexico today but came up short. He was about 900 meters off the record of 54.526 km. Toft Madsen finished at 53.63 kilometers.

I can't find anything in English about this, so maybe someone else can provide more info. I did, however, come across one great Google translation. Dutch rider Dion Beukeboom will apparently be making his run at Wiggins' record on August 22 at the Mexican Velodromo Bicentenario in Aguascalientes (which is where I believe Toft Madsen made his attempt today?).
Danes, if their last names is a patronym (finishes in a -sen), are virtually always always referred to by their middle name (or middle name + last name) to avoid confusion with the millions of other Madsens, Hansens, Christensens etc. :snooty
So, not Madsen, but Toft (or Toft Madsen). :)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on August 22, 2018, 08:56
Beukeboom goes for it today. Live on the UCI channel (and Dutch Eurosport, apparently) at 20:00 cest
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on August 22, 2018, 22:00
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlO2N-cU4AABY-Y.jpg)
52.757 km for Beukeboom. New *nl record, but far off challenging Wiggins' mark.

Lap times by @xavierdisley (https://twitter.com/xavierdisley):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlOwS_7XsAEHKrr.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Leadbelly on September 14, 2018, 05:30
https://twitter.com/zciclismo/status/1040357624825491456
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on September 25, 2018, 22:54
Next attempt:
U23 ITT #rainbow Mikkel Bjerg (*dk #axeon)
4 October
Odense Cyklebane


Feels to me like this is just a 'test event' to see how far he is from the Hour Record with top condition (a week after the Worlds), but without any specific training.
He might still surprise, but it's unlikely he'll break Wiggins' mark.
This time. :shh
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 14, 2019, 07:31
Huh. I'm always rather shocked when media outside of the cycling world even notices.

Why It's Almost Impossible to Ride a Bike 60 Kilometers in One Hour | WIRED


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiUE3qDnFtU

It'd be fun to be able to go through the level of analysis that the guy in this video did.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: search on April 16, 2019, 09:20
next try today: #lotto Victor Campenaerts, and he looks likely to get the record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICk3aID5xLs

Live at 18:00 cest
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 17, 2019, 02:02
:cool 55.089 km  :cool

Lotto Soudal's Victor Campenaerts set a new UCI Hour Record at the Aguascalientes Bicentenary Velodrome in Mexico on Tuesday, covering a distance of 55.089 km. (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/campenaerts-breaks-bradley-wiggins-uci-hour-record/)

The previous Hour Record, set by Bradley Wiggins in 2015, at the Lee Valley Velo Park in London, was 54.526 km.

The margin of victory for Campenaerts was 0.563 km.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICk3aID5xLs


The commentator is, uh, well, I guess the focus should be on the rider anyway. But watching the onscreen numbers, I was totally confused at the end because it wasn't very apparent to me what his actually final distance was, and what the winning margin turned out to be.

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1118202376832393221

https://twitter.com/marc_sergeant/status/1118205304511062016

Quote
The choice of venue for attempting a feat of this level of difficulty must strike a fine balance between atmospheric conditions, track speed, and available oxygen for a top aerobic performance. The Aguascalientes velodrome is at an altitude of 1,800m, and while the reduced air pressure makes it one of the fastest tracks in the world, performing in the lower oxygen conditions takes specific adaptation.

Campenaerts slept in an altitude tent in Belgium and Mexico to simulate an altitude of 3,000m in order to prepare his body for the effort.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on April 17, 2019, 08:48
So I think marathon running has two records - with and without pacemakers..., [I think another with and without is probably in order too but that is darkside running chat...]

So should the hour have a sea level level and an altitude record?

Put another way - is 500m at altitude really better than 500m less in London...???
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 17, 2019, 09:22
So I think marathon running has two records - with and without pacemakers..., [I think another with and without is probably in order too but that is darkside running chat...]

So should the hour have a sea level level and an altitude record?

Put another way - is 500m at altitude really better than 500m less in London...???

 Folks don't choose to go to Aguascalientes for nothing. I know there is a payoff in endurance events, but so many records have been set there.
 My niece even holds a couple. :D
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 17, 2019, 14:49
So should the hour have a sea level level and an altitude record?

As long as the same venues are available to everyone (and that seems to be the case with Mexico), then I believe that's the equivalent of "a level playing field." Riders are free to choose where they do this.

Three factors come into play though: Air pressure, temperature and humidity. In that linked CN article, it mentions that, "[Wiggins] set a distance of 54.526km, well below the 55km mark he hoped to achieve due to unfavourable atmospheric pressure." So had the barometer been different that day, the overall conditions may well have been in Bradley's favor.

It seems inescapable that those variables will always come into play with The Hour Record, but that's part of the game, I suppose. Any close victories will be viewed through that lens, but what could be done to mitigate such things? Even if all the record attempts were forced to take place in the same venue, would they then have to narrow it down to a margin of acceptable environmental conditions such as temp, humidity and air pressure?

On one hand, the argument could be made that the record itself is somewhat meaningless because of such variables. On the other, it could be argued that getting all the variables to align to one's advantage is just part of the overall equation.

I'm not sure exactly where my personal beliefs are on the matter. I still find some excitement in watching these attempts, although I'm honestly not entirely sure why!
 :P
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Servais Knavendish on April 17, 2019, 15:00
I still find some excitement in watching these attempts, although I'm honestly not entirely sure why!
 :P

Yes agree with you on that  - and also not at all sure why!
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: LukasCPH on April 17, 2019, 22:21
The commentator is, uh, well, I guess the focus should be on the rider anyway.
:lol

Chapeau, Victor Campenaerts.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Joelsim on April 17, 2019, 22:24
Well done Victor for completing the hour in just 59 minutes and 32 seconds.
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 18, 2019, 11:09
As long as the same venues are available to everyone (and that seems to be the case with Mexico), then I believe that's the equivalent of "a level playing field." Riders are free to choose where they do this.

Three factors come into play though: Air pressure, temperature and humidity. In that linked CN article, it mentions that, "[Wiggins] set a distance of 54.526km, well below the 55km mark he hoped to achieve due to unfavourable atmospheric pressure." So had the barometer been different that day, the overall conditions may well have been in Bradley's favor.

It seems inescapable that those variables will always come into play with The Hour Record, but that's part of the game, I suppose. Any close victories will be viewed through that lens, but what could be done to mitigate such things? Even if all the record attempts were forced to take place in the same venue, would they then have to narrow it down to a margin of acceptable environmental conditions such as temp, humidity and air pressure?

On one hand, the argument could be made that the record itself is somewhat meaningless because of such variables. On the other, it could be argued that getting all the variables to align to one's advantage is just part of the overall equation.

I'm not sure exactly where my personal beliefs are on the matter. I still find some excitement in watching these attempts, although I'm honestly not entirely sure why!
 :P

The obvious solution would be for several people to make their attempts at the same time, in the same place.

They might even be able to draft off each other and go even faster...
Title: Re: The Hour record
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 18, 2019, 17:46
 :D

https://twitter.com/Cyclocosm/status/1118905622672465920