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Title: EF Drapac Cannondale Team Vaughters news
Post by: just some guy on August 21, 2014, 08:24
As good as place to start as any, the combining of teams, in fact turns out to be a merger of sorts.

Cannondale execs get 2 spots on the slipstream board, team has a bike and components sponsor well forever.

POC probably and long term Garmin staying for next year.

The
Ok this gets a bit messey

Cannondale-Garmin / Garmin-Cannondale

Current garmin riders staying

Among the 14 riders who have contracts with Slipstream Sports for are Andrew Talansky, Daniel Martin, Ryder Hesjedal, Tom Danielson, Ben King, Nathan Haas, Sebastian Langeveld, Tom-Jelte Slagter, Nick Nuyens, Nate Brown, André Cardoso, Norman Hansen Lasse, Ramunas Navardauskas, and Dylan Van Baarle.


6 or the 8 riders offered contracts

 Moreno Moser,  Matej Mohoric, Kristijan Koren, Alan Marangoni, and Elia Viviani.

One rider contracted with Cannondale, Davide Formolo, has already signed a Slipstream contract




not sure the other 2

Ted King Phil Gaimon Steele von Hoff Farrer Wurf and Bennett all looking for new teams

Saint Millar retires

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/08/news/slipstream-sports-confirms-cannondale-sponsorship_341719#ZIChD24WRttsWihq.99

a re merger though as Cannondale are on the board of Slipstream now

long term sponsor deal


Garmin say they will honor all contracts that Canondale has signed, Davide Villella was in his first year, only 2 year deals to neo-pro's so he must be one of the two. By the same logic the other must be Alberto Bettiol.


Funny how a team changes.

USA mainly with a touch of OZ for Garmin, Italian with a touch of Sagan for Cannondale.

Most oz gone from Garmin and Sagan from Cannondale

so now we get a real mix of old north American Doper, younger GC talents in Dan and Andrew and whole bunch of Italian kids
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Jamsque on August 21, 2014, 17:14
Excited to see what kind of horrible blue-green kit they come up with for 2015
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: pastronef on August 21, 2014, 18:24
Excited to see what kind of horrible blue-green kit they come up with for 2015

Vaughters said "lime green argyle" no blue involved. Garmin will remain as a supplier

do you think Sram will remain with Cannondale, so that the team will not have to buy their Shimano groups?
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Dim on August 21, 2014, 19:14
He said "at the moment its green argyle" and "at the moment its team cannondale"

I would assume thats just while they are dotting i's and crossing t's on what "garmins" status will be.

I dont think "at the moment" will be the "final"

That said, Dan Martins green argyle was lovely..

(http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/apr09/romandie09/romandie095/Tdr_Stage_5_Dan_Martinjpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on August 22, 2014, 07:34
(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2014/08/Cannondale-659x440.jpg)

Amadio said Cannondale is leaving behind one of cycling’s prized, 18 first-division licenses in the process. He has no intentions to find a new sponsor and continue the team. He will instead ride out the 2014 season — he is now in Spain with Sagan for the Vuelta a España — before deciding his next move.

“It’s too early to say what everyone’s going to do,” added Amadio. “The team is trying to organize itself, the mechanics, the masseurs and the staff. We’ll have to see in this period if they are able to find work. They are all great people, so I think that most of them will be able to find a solution.”

Times are tough, however, in Italy. Earlier in August, the nation’s economy slid back into a recession for a third time since 2008, with national public debt still hovering at 2 trillion euros ($2.65 trillion). Without Cannondale in Italy, only Lampre-Merida remains the country’s only first division team for 2015.

“Italy has the riders, resources and directors who are smart, capable and able to build great team. When the economy returns to a good level in Italy, the big teams will return, as well,” Amadio said. “I’m afraid we’re going to have to wait a few years before that happens.”


Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/08/news/cannondale-slipstream-merger-a-reflection-of-italys-economic-woes_341987#uVZLjjvqD2TtSeHy.99
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 27, 2014, 22:32
Team Cannondale takes shape as Vaughters lines up new roster

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-cannondale-takes-shape-as-vaughters-lines-up-new-roster

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The team confirmed to Cyclingnews that Janier Alexis Acevedo, Nate Brown, André Cardoso, Tom Danielson, Lasse Norman Hansen, Ryder Hesjedal, Alex Howes, Ben King, Sebastian Langeveld, Dan Martin, Ramunas Navardauskas, Tom Jelte Slagter, Andrew Talansky and Dylan van Baarle all have deals for next year.
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From Garmin-Sharp’s existing team Jack Bauer, Thomas Dekker, Caleb Fairly, Koldo Fernandez, Phillip Gaimon, Raymond Kreder, Lachlan Morton, Nick Nuyens, Johan Vansummeren, Tyler Farrar, Steele von Hoff and Fabian Wegmann are out of contract.

Vaughters would not confirm which riders from the out of contract list would be offered new deals but Cyclingnews understands that at least Bauer and Vansummeren would be given offers.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on September 25, 2014, 04:59
Reads a bit like a cover letter for a cv

but

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/09/phil-gaimon-interview-still-waiting-still-hoping-for-garmin-sharp-renewal/
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on October 14, 2014, 09:52
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/dombrowski-looking-for-fresh-start-in-2015
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on November 10, 2014, 11:55
Subtle pot shot at JV by Ryan  :D

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-dan-martin-interview-lessons-in-success

not much in it, except Garmin staff all staying seems little Cannondale, have a feeling this may blow up like the last merge
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: L'arri on November 10, 2014, 12:27
Subtle pot shot at JV by Ryan  :D

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-dan-martin-interview-lessons-in-success

not much in it, except Garmin staff all staying seems little Cannondale, have a feeling this may blow up like the last merge

I suppose that we can say it was all about business, this merger, because these are two very, very different team cultures that are now expected to find a way forward. The irony is that cycling on the ground is nothing like business. I think that every team has a cultural balance that is probably quite delicate.

It will be interesting to see if they can do it, but the good thing is that some guys get to stay at the top level who might otherwise not have found a contract without extreme difficulties. I could see there being a sort of two-speed team.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on November 10, 2014, 12:40
I suppose that we can say it was all about business, this merger, because these are two very, very different team cultures that are now expected to find a way forward. The irony is that cycling on the ground is nothing like business. I think that every team has a cultural balance that is probably quite delicate.

It will be interesting to see if they can do it, but the good thing is that some guys get to stay at the top level who might otherwise not have found a contract without extreme difficulties. I could see there being a sort of two-speed team.

I think much depends on Ted King if he signs, that bridge between the Italian and North American,  and if say Moser wins early to bring the win from the Cannondale side.

lets hope they signnTed King  :)
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 17, 2014, 16:30
lets hope they sign Ted King  :)
They did! :)

Here's an interview with everyone's favourite New Englishman:
Ted King on Cannondale-Garmin move: “Opportunities for me should be more frequent than years past” (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/11/ted-king-on-cannondale-garmin-move-opportunities-for-me-should-be-more-frequent-than-years-past/)
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: cj2002 on November 20, 2014, 08:36
Just an observation... I've read more about Joe Dombrowski in the last 2 days by following JV's Twitter than I did in all of his 2 years at Sky.

Remind me which team is run by the global media conglomerate..?
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on January 13, 2015, 17:37
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/dombrowski-aiming-for-good-health-and-consistency-in-2015
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: cj2002 on January 15, 2015, 17:06
https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/555769816041013248
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: DJW on January 15, 2015, 17:25
Wow  :lol
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Joelsim on January 15, 2015, 17:33
He's not doing himself any favours. What a chump.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Wallenquist on January 15, 2015, 18:39
Later he says that signing Nuyens was one of the biggest mistakes. Well, at least he's honest :)
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: L'arri on January 16, 2015, 08:23
You don't tweet this and then expect no response on it.

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/555769816041013248

A bit ugly-public from Vaughters but it is what we have come to expect. His later replies on Nuyens amount to a half-story of insinuations ...

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/555842650436157440

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/555875194321920002

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/555874196077555713

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/555881941342232577

Perhaps he is more sensitive to criticism than he would pretend.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: t-72 on January 16, 2015, 21:15
On a definetly less controversial note, neo-pro Skjerping will be replacing Azevedo for Tour de San Luis. Skjerping is more of a flatlander and in an interview reveals that his tactics for the mountains in Argentina is to grab Mark Cavendish' wheel and hold on to it on all the climbs.   :lol
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 17, 2015, 09:32
Perhaps he is more sensitive to criticism than he would pretend.
Oh, there's no pretending about it. JV has always been very open about his own thin skin. His feeling are easily hurt, and he's not very good at letting criticism go. Which makes his own behavior so perplexing. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. One of the reasons he catches so much flak is because he dishes it out.

His often-immaturity on Twitter is matched reasonably well by Bruyneel, funnily enough.  :-x

It's all part of the comedy show that is pro cycling. And they wonder why it's hard to take any of them seriously.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: t-72 on January 25, 2015, 14:29
.. Skjerping is more of a flatlander and in an interview reveals that his tactics for the mountains in Argentina is to grab Mark Cavendish' wheel and hold on to it on all the climbs.   :lol

That is what he said and this is what he did:

Stage 2: -> Mirador de Potrero
Cavendish 90th, Skjerping 98th, finished on same time

Stage 5: -> Alto El Amago
Skjerping 91st, Cavendish 97th, finished on same time.

Stage 9: -> Filo SIerras Comechingones
Cavendish 100th position, Skjerping 103rd - same time again
 
I am lost for words when it comes to describe this, but Skjerping is definetly a man for his words.
 :S Looking forward to the day when he says his plan is to win the Ronde  :cool
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: L'arri on February 06, 2015, 11:43
While I was sick recently, I came across a bunch of unusual written features on riders in last year's Tour, the sort of thing you never see in Anglophone publications. These were written by sometime CN contributor and DirectVélo honcho Pierre Carrey for French lefty daily Libération and, because they focus on the man rather than the current results, they're just as relevant months later. I'll try to translate some of them in the coming days...

The Uncontrollable Alex Howes

(http://www.instants-cyclistes.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Alex-Howes-3.jpg)

Survival kit for the Tour de France: an autograph book, a t-shirt with a map of France printed on it, another "casual" t-shirt. And a packet of cigarettes, "in case things turn really bad". The folks back in Colorado have thought of everything for their buddy Alex Howes, who has joined up for the toughest bike race in the world. At the bottom of the package, there is a block of sticky notes, each one including an inspirational phrase.

...

After the rain and snow of the 2013 Milan-Sanremo, he declared while changing clothes: "I had forgotten that I had such a small dick!" Explaining how he feels a bit Tea Party and a bit hippy at the same time (but a bit more hippy), he says: "I mean I'm all-American: the eagle, the flag, liberty and barbecues. I'm talking about firing guns and fighting for gay marriage."

Those friends who put a survival knife in the package know him well. Howes hoards seemingly useless objects, like the harmonica he played at the start of the national championships. His friend Julian Kyer reveals: "for Hallowe'en, he bought an American cravat with a tiger on it and a pipe shaped like an ear of corn. He still wears the cravat and he keeps the pipe in his car. He likes to pull on it when he's driving." Howes completes the picture with real intellectual spectacles and sometimes an equally authentic moustache or beard.

For the Tour, his friends have sent him a pretty depressing book, the story of a theatre boss who worked for the Nazis. He reads a lot. Son of a primary teacher and a satellite systems engineer, Howes is the happy administrator of the Pro Cyclists Book Club, membership reserved for enlightened riders like himself. The conditions for admission are very strict: one must read at least one book per month, except for those of more than 400 pages ("read the Koran in your own time!"), teenage novels, cycling literature and "stupid crap about Lance".

He is easily misunderstood. In Colorado, the cool kids shun him when he goes off salmon fishing. French riders complain because he makes a game out of braking as little as possible while in the peloton. When he steps onto a dancefloor completely sober, his moves make the bartender think he is totally drunk.

...

At 19, he was the youngest pro in the peloton but when his team, the future Garmin, decided to beef up its roster, he was asked to go back to the amateurs. Hence the shipwreck of his French education: one season at VC La Pomme Marseille in 2008. Depressed, without having learned a word of the language, Howes weaved hammocks and slept in until noon. His friends sent over peanut butter by the pallet.

"You could see he had something in those legs, but he was living on another planet," remembers Mathieu Delarozière. "Sometimes we got the impression that he just didn't care about any of us!" Still admiring of Howes, the former teammate recalls a time trial at the Tour des Corbières: "Ten minutes before the start, he was still having siesta in a van, laidback almost like he had a straw in his mouth. Five minutes before he was due off, he stuffed on his shorts with the bibs over his jersey. We waited for hours at the finish line wondering what had happened to him!" Suddenly, Howes appeared, bike in one hand, shoes in the other, walking lightly in his socks. His chain had broken and he'd lost it in a field. "Really, you'd never have believed this guy would end up riding a Tour de France one day!"

http://www.liberation.fr/sports/2014/07/20/l-incontrolable-alex-howes_1067382 (FR)
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on February 09, 2015, 12:01
Ted is funny

https://twitter.com/cannondalePro/status/564717283260379136
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 13, 2015, 02:16
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-on-cannondale-garmins-past-and-future (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-on-cannondale-garmins-past-and-future)

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"With the Cervélo merger, it was a lot of really big contracts that we couldn’t necessarily afford and some riders who were very concrete in their thinking, and weren’t really open to doing things a new way," Vaughters told Cyclingnews. "Some of them were able to integrate and were great guys, and others were just more set in their ways."

Yaaaah, I pulled out my magnifying glass, read between the lines, and came up with...


Thor Hushovd


Honesly,  I was quite happy for Thor when he won the Worlds, but for all of his time at Garmin I thought he carried himself like nothing more then a spoiled and entitled little brat.


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The past couple of years have seen the departure of some of its elder statesmen, including David Millar, Christian Vande Velde and Dave Zabriskie

Well allow me...

GOODBYE! :wave


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"We’ve seen teams where there’s a rider who has some sort of an issue and decides to speak publicly, they ostracise this one person and they do that in the name of saving their image. And at the end of the day, we were never going to do that."
Except for the fact that, ya' know, some of the guys did exactly that. But anyway...
(http://thedreamalchemist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/17-281x300.jpg)


I lost all faith in that team in the wake of USADA's Reasoned Decision.
Everything that came out of the mouths of CVV, JV, Millar and the rest was just insulting beyond words. So f'ck them. Seriously. That's when I really starting packing it in for this sport.



[Edit] Just to clarify the above:
My disgust had nothing to do with the Reasoned Decision itself (the contents weren't that much of a surprise). It was their uninspired and transparently phony PR-speak that followed the release of the report. They really must consider us fools if they expected any of it to come across as even the slightest bit genuine or contrite.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on February 16, 2015, 14:22
well I will not get those minutes back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLFVdGyrMFw

the most nothing video ever
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: L'arri on February 16, 2015, 15:57
well I will not get those minutes back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLFVdGyrMFw

the most nothing video ever

Says he who embeds it here... ;) It is dull though, for sure. The explosion of video in cycling media is one thing but until they get some quality in place, then it's just going to be more of this sort of foolishness.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 16, 2015, 16:01
Ted is funny
You're stating the obvious there. :P
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 16, 2015, 16:03
The explosion of video in cycling media is one thing
It's way less work to do a video of an interview and throw that up as a 'unique insight', than to transcribe the interview, edit it and put it into perspective.

I can understand why some go down the easier road - but I certainly don't approve of it.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 16, 2015, 21:58
the most nothing video ever
Which is fully consistent with most of the video content I've seen produced by CN.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: LukasCPH on February 16, 2015, 23:20
The Garmindales will be easy to pick out in the rain:
https://twitter.com/Shop_Argyle/status/567362262197735425
Better than nothing. Let's hope for lots of rainy races ... ;)
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on February 17, 2015, 07:57
(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2015/01/08/2/matejmohoric_7_220.jpg)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mohoric-content-to-learn-at-garmin-cannondale
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on March 03, 2015, 14:48
https://twitter.com/nealrogers/status/572770373713862657
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: pastronef on March 28, 2015, 17:23
https://www.twitter.com/Vaughters/status/581804779636133888

 :cool
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: le_moccasin on May 25, 2015, 01:29
Randomness:
* Formolo's win at the Giro was impressive. His two crashes since have slowed him down a bit but I'm still impressed with his performance.
* I expect Ryder to finish in the top 10 of the Giro. He looked really good today.
* Danielson quit the Giro today. Injured his knee early on and its been killing him since.
* Good to see Talansky come back after ToC and grab the USA TT title.
* I expect the team to be all-in for Howes tomorrow at the USA Road Race Championship. Let's see if he can better his 3rd place finish from last year.

--------
Transfer rumors are starting to whirl. At this point, next year's squad is pretty thin. Lots of contracts need to be re-upped.

Riders out of a contract at the end of the year:
ACEVEDO, Janier
BAUER, Jack
BETTIOL, Alberto
BROWN, Nathan
DANIELSON, Tom
FORMOLO, Davide
HAAS, Nathan
HESJEDAL, Ryder
KING, Ben
KING, Ted (retiring)
KOREN, Kristijan
LANGEVELD, Sebastian
MARANGONI, Alan
MARTIN, Dan
MOHORIC, Matej
NORMAN HANSEN, Lasse
SLAGTER, Tom-Jelte
VAN BAARLE, Dylan
VILLELLA, Davide

Riders under contract for next year:
CARDOSO, André
DOMBROWSKI, Joe
HOWES, Alex
MOSER, Moreno
NAVARDAUSKAS, Ramunas
SKJERPING, Kristoffer
TALANSKY, Andrew
ZEPUNTKE, Ruben

With the way the past contracts have been handled the last few years, this volume of work needed is a bit scary. Especially with how poorly the team has performed this year.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on May 25, 2015, 07:12
and while Darkside

There are less and less riders JV can provide a caring environment for , and thus loses a major selling point of the team. And the holes start appearing and then are a lot of them 
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: ansimi on May 25, 2015, 07:55
They really need to sign a couple of guys who can at least show the jersey in the finishing photo for bunch sprints.

I think there are lots of continental teams with better sprinters so there must be some fast guys who could be brought in pretty cheap.

Losing Von Hoff and some of their other roster choices last year were quite strange.

I think Hesjedal's a lifer there and not ready to retire. Probably Danielson too.

I think Dan Martin's happy there but he'll probably consider some other options.

Acevedo doesn't seem to have worked out for them.

Not sure about their Dutch guys?

Formollo is the big question mark. He's a magnificent talent and also very marketable. I imagine Cannondale are extremely keen to keep in on their bikes. If they manage to keep him then they'll probably keep some of the others they got in the Cannondale deal.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: le_moccasin on May 25, 2015, 14:20
I get the sense the team is at a significant crossroads this offseason.

The gents from the Cycling Podcast brought up the lack of sprinter issue in one of their recent podcasts. I think it was Friebe who was saying how the team needs a sprinter to essentially boost morale with a win or two at the beginning of the year. I can't help but to agree with that. Letting Farrar walk at the end of the year was the right decision. He needed a change of scenery. As for Von Hoff, I think he could have notched a few podiums early in the year.

Your Hesjedal and Danielson statement is what kinda scares me about this offseason. Their contracts are probably more costly than the rest of the free agents combined (excluding Langeveld, Slagter and Dan Martin). Ryder at 34 is probably worth resigning for his GT leadership alone. Danielson at 37... I'm not so sure. Especially at his price tag.

Daniel Friebe and I had an exchange on twitter a few weeks ago where he mentioned that Dan Martin is looking around. Its probably standard procedure for him to do so, but its a bit concerning that things aren't locked up already.


The Dutch guys and Bauer are the big, big question marks for me. If they let them all go, the team doesn't have a single rider who is capable of winning a spring cobbled classic.  That combined with the fact that they have no sprinter.... **shudder**
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 25, 2015, 16:42
I get the sense the team is at a significant crossroads this offseason.
*snip*
Some good points.

The lack of a sprinter is hurting them - it's an area where you can get results relatively easily. If your only card is van Baarle (with Navardauskas having a good sprint among his many other qualities), you're not going to get noticed much.

But the team has been built around GC guys since its inception, hasn't it?

It's a complicated puzzle.


Oh, and welcome to Velorooms! :welcome
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: LukasCPH on May 25, 2015, 22:32
Rest day stuff - mechanics & bus driver telling stories: :D
http://velonews.competitor.com/mechanics-telling-stories (http://velonews.competitor.com/mechanics-telling-stories)
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 26, 2015, 03:17
There are less and less riders JV can provide a caring environment for , and thus loses a major selling point of the team.

Do you mean the old guard from the Horner generation?

I think the most part,  JV's mantra has run its course and no longer carries much prestige.

How does he leverage the image with sponsors anymore? "Clean team? Aren't they all clean now?"

He has nowhere to go with his tired old tales.

And no one cares about the likes of Tommy and Ryder anymore.

It can't be long before Garmin and JV both step down from the sport. Then they'll just another team like any other. And the previous sales pitch will appear—at best—as quaint, in the rearview mirror.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: le_moccasin on May 31, 2015, 13:18
* Ryder was amazing during the last week. a top 5 finish is a fantastic result after how things started for him and the team.

* Cardoso with a solid overall performance coming in at 21st. Didn't really see much of him during the race coverage.

* Formolo really suffered after his injuries and during the 3rd week. Totally understandable. I will always remember his stage win.

* Most importantaly, imo, all the young guys (Brown, Formolo, Villella) finished the race in good health.

Dauphine is next. Will Martin and Talansky be riding together?
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 31, 2015, 13:59
And no one cares about the likes of Tommy and Ryder anymore.

Ryder was amazing during the last week. a top 5 finish is a fantastic result after how things started for him and the team.

No doubt about it. He put on quite a courageous show, and significantly increased his market value for the rest of the season. Never count him out, is the message he sent most clearly. Well done.


Interesting contrast of emotions from one day to the next.
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May 29
As I keep saying, I’ve won the Giro, so I’m not excited for fifth or seventh overall.

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May 30
I’m happy with my Giro. I had fun. It’s a brutal race. To have won it a few years ago, taken a top 10 last year despite setbacks and then a top five this year… I’ve had a good time.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on July 28, 2015, 11:31
So then what you all think?

really seems to me the team has lost it´s way since the Giro win by Ryder - Do Talansky and Martin need to leave to start over

https://twitter.com/LaVelocipede/status/625975510519148544

sure there might be my confirmed bias getting involved but

Sure Ryder was great at the Giro this year but .... ?
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: LaVelocipede on July 28, 2015, 11:52
I want Martin to leave. IAM would be good if they did a bit of a revamp, or maybe Trek or Orica.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: stereojet on July 28, 2015, 12:15
A conspiracy theorist might suggest that Garmin's decline has come about since Hjesjedal's murky past came to light and the arrival of new techniques/drugs that have enabled teams like Astana etc. to produce freakish results like this year's Giro. The merger with Cannondale might have resulted in numerous problems behind the scenes which could affect results. Plus Vaughters seems to be playing a less active role these days.

I should say that I've no evidence of this. Just thinking aloud.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on July 28, 2015, 12:16
A conspiracy theorist might suggest that Garmin's decline has come about since Hjesjedal's murky past came to light and the arrival of new techniques/drugs that have enabled teams like Astana etc. to produce freakish results like this year's Giro. The merger with Cannondale might have resulted in numerous problems behind the scenes which could affect results. Plus Vaughters seems to be playing a less active role these days.

I should say that I've no evidence of this. Just thinking aloud.

pssst this is not the darkside  :)
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: stereojet on July 28, 2015, 12:18
Whoops!
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: L'arri on July 28, 2015, 12:26
Not that it's all about winning but ... six wins this year if you also count National titles.

Merger didn't work?
Wrong racing focus?
Too many underperforming talents?
Vaughters' step back?
Dark Side?

Before 2015, it seemed clear enough already that Garmin was not a team of big winners and Cannondale was zilch without Viviani and Sagan.

What other factors explain the frightening transparency of argyle this season?
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: LukasCPH on July 28, 2015, 16:14
Vaughters has openly said that the team underperformed in the spring season. And they have.

Since May, it's become slightly better: Formolo's stage win & Hesjedal's 5th place overall in the Giro, two ITT championships, a decent, but not great 11th place in the Tour for Talansky ... but it's still far from where they could reasonably hope to be.

Mergers are always tricky; and this one was a particularly tricky one, combining two very different teams.
The Garmin-Cervélo merger wasn't easy either, with more than half a dozen riders going elsewhere after the first year.

I expect a similar situation now, with several riders not getting new contracts for next year - both the #cannondale 'dead weight' and a few 'original' #garmin riders who couldn't convince lately.
Whether that will include the team's stars, Martin, Talansky, and Hesjedal, I can't say. Martin has, in my opinion, simply had a bad year after the outstanding 2013 & 2014 seasons.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: search on July 28, 2015, 17:16
Vaughters has openly said that the team underperformed in the spring season. And they have

he said the same about the first part of the Tour

Two days ago, Cannondale-Garmin manager Jonathan Vaughters was embarrassed with his team of riders at the Tour de France.

They already knew they were underperforming at cycling's pre-eminent race. Missed breakaway opportunities, inattentiveness while racing and failing to follow instructions from directors Robbie Hunter and Charly Wegelius were just a few of the problems. American Andrew Talansky was far back from yellow jersey leader Chris Froome, so far behind that the Boulder-based team abandoned any hope of a top finish in the general classification.

"I was embarrassed and disappointed in their performance last week," Vaughters told The Denver Post, recalling what he told the team two days ago. "Physically, they've been good. But that doesn't mean (expletive) if you have your head in the clouds."


http://www.denverpost.com/cycling/ci_28524957/garmins-andrew-talansky-makes-strong-move-tour-de
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Joelsim on July 28, 2015, 17:33
What's happened to Formolo? He hasn't raced since the Giro.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: search on July 28, 2015, 17:42
probably just taking a little break. He was training on altitude last week and will return for the USA Pro Challenge

edit: maybe he will do Utah as well then?!
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: Joelsim on July 28, 2015, 17:44
Is he definitely racing USA?

Post Merge: July 28, 2015, 17:45
And the Larry H. Miller too?
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: search on July 28, 2015, 17:47
sounds like he will

https://twitter.com/davideformolo/status/625767945239691264

he will not do the Vuelta at least

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/624304007129886720
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: search on September 09, 2015, 07:46
rouleur.cc did a feature on Davide Formolo

http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/davide-formolo-interview

I haven't had the time to read it yet though, will do so later on
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on November 22, 2015, 08:57
https://twitter.com/nealrogers/status/667443998198484993

sort of fits here sort of Darkside if we can keep anydarkside chat in the Tommy D thread that would be great
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on January 17, 2016, 11:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwyOxx4As5g
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: L'arri on January 18, 2016, 09:12
I hadn't read this thread in a while but it's funny that, even in May 2015, there was a lot of concern about the team's performance.

I think the merger was a big failure but at least they got a secure sponsor after Garmin backed down. Some of the Italians have moved on and a few of those may miraculously bounce back on other teams.

The departure of Martin and Hesjedal will force the team to start over in some ways and that's probably a good thing.

I was very surprised by Uran's arrival - that was probably the transfer I least expected in the off-season - and now they will need to find ways to support his ambitions. He's a good fit to a certain extent, an Ardennes performer and a GT runner up, but some guys will have to step up to give him the backing he deserves.

Bike manufacturers are happy just to represent at this level - Trek and (until quite recently) BMC underperformed a lot over the years - so one hopes that Cannondale can be patient until the wins start to roll in from the younger guys.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: zinoviev letter on January 18, 2016, 15:18
In theory they have a strong team of climbers, but it is perhaps a little top heavy with leaders and young guys who want to be leaders and a little light on reliable climbing domestiques of the Cardoso sort. A lot will depend on how willing guys like Uran, Rolland, Talansky, Dombrowski, Formolo are to go into the trenches for whoever is the leader in any given race. The "old guard" of Garmin climbers had their limits and their inconsistencies, but they were often willing to bury themselves for each other. The "new guard" looks on paper like an improvement, but we will have to see if they work out that way.

If Wippert picks up, say four or five wins in small races this year, that will help keep morale high and make the wins column look healthier.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 18, 2016, 16:54
The "old guard" of Garmin climbers had their limits and their inconsistencies, but they were often willing to bury themselves for each other. The "new guard" looks on paper like an improvement, but we will have to see if they work out that way.

Honestly they had a great off-season.

I think my plan for their GC men and climbers for the GT's and US races would be something like this:
Rolland, TdF leader
Uran, Giro and Vuelta leader
Talansky TdF and Vuelta plan B guy (Maybe leader at California)
Formolo, Giro Plan B guy and Tour climbing dom
Dombrowski, Tour climbing dom (Before leading fall US races)
Clarke, Giro and Vuelta climbing dom
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: zinoviev letter on January 18, 2016, 17:14
I don't think that there's any chance that Talansky gets any worse than equal billing as Tour leader. This is not a question of whether he should or should not, but instead a question of his position in the squad, salary etc. While Uran will definitely lead the Giro, I also doubt if he will get better than co-leader at the Vuelta, alongside whichever of the rest of those named above (other than Clarke) are in form. Again that's not really a statement about whether Uran would be the best option, more one about how the team have usually done things.

It will be quite a tough balancing act to keep all five guys happy in terms of opportunities to ride for themselves in big races. Which is a nice problem.
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on January 19, 2016, 11:17
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/689402040854806529
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: DB-Coop on January 19, 2016, 22:41
I don't think that there's any chance that Talansky gets any worse than equal billing as Tour leader. This is not a question of whether he should or should not, but instead a question of his position in the squad, salary etc. While Uran will definitely lead the Giro, I also doubt if he will get better than co-leader at the Vuelta, alongside whichever of the rest of those named above (other than Clarke) are in form. Again that's not really a statement about whether Uran would be the best option, more one about how the team have usually done things.

It will be quite a tough balancing act to keep all five guys happy in terms of opportunities to ride for themselves in big races. Which is a nice problem.

Agree on Talansky, but that is fine really, I mean unless Rolland is in the top 5 and looks like landing there, he won't need a super dom, if he is then there will be no question, as plan B man you want him to stick in the GC as well so that is fine too. But let's just be honest if one of them was to be in a position for the win it would be Rolland, not Talansky.

As far as Dombrowski and Formolo goes I can't see how anybody could defend making either leader in a GT. Formolo might be coming to a time where he will need to be given a bit of responsibility and maybe even trying to do a placing on GC, 10-15 ish, but he can do that in the Giro and still help Uran. Dombrowski has done nothing of note outside of the US, and US races are notoriously noteworthy for weird results because a lot of time skilled riders come in out of shape and jet lagged meaning there are a lot of upsets. He did not enough in the Vuelta to mean he should have any protected role, but I would say a Tour start seems fitting for him though as a let's see what you can do for the team now, if he goes great, you give him a shot next year at one for himself maybe.

Also I seemed to have left out Cardoso earlier, so a quick correction:
Rolland: Tour
Uran: Giro/Vuelta
Talansky: Tour/Vuelta
Formolo: Giro
Cardoso: Giro/Vuelta
Dombrowski: Tour
Clarke: Tour/Vuelta
Title: Re: Garmin-Cannondale news
Post by: just some guy on January 20, 2016, 11:41
http://cyclingtips.com/2016/01/alex-howes-diary-purple-tights-and-a-splash-of-bourbon/

Fun Diary
Title: Re: Cannondale news
Post by: Not My Circus on March 31, 2016, 09:49
Classics Squad hit by influenza, stomach bugs and food poisoning  :o :o

https://twitter.com/Ride_Argyle/status/715310283057721345

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Breschel has been one of the worst guys hit on the team. He just can’t pedal, and he was going to be one of our top guys for the classics,” said Bauer, shaking his head in disbelief. “We are struggling to get one person across the line in the front group. At Gent-Wevelgem, we couldn’t get anyone across the finish line. It’s disappointing, but it’s a bad season for illness.”
:beaten  :( I have no words for this

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“It’s bad, and we have so many sick riders right now. We’ve also had some crashes,” Van Lancker [DS] said. “That’s what happens sometimes. They’re skinny, and it goes quickly around the peloton.


Knew there had to be problems, but have to say, their communications has been poor on this. Not surprised they've been inundated with questions... they have put out virtually no information.
Title: Re: Cannondale news
Post by: Not My Circus on October 17, 2017, 10:00
Wasn't sure where to post this...plumped for the Cannondale thread.

Good, in depth piece on the Cannondale crisis...still doesn't feel right to me. But at least they survived and for longer than a year as well

https://twitter.com/CaleyFretz/status/920074890312421378
Title: Re: Cannondale news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on November 02, 2017, 12:59
Kit reveal tonight...


Its going to be pink based on the spoilers.
Title: Re: Cannondale news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 02, 2017, 14:18
Kit reveal tonight...
Tomorrow. :shh

Its going to be pink based on the spoilers.
I'd say it will be also - but not exclusively - pink:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNZEEJYUEAAbS4G.jpg)

And, big surprise, it will follow the common POC design:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNhob57UEAEsols.jpg)

Clue no. 3 in ~2 hours.


Also, something to (further) explain the signing of Kim Magnusson:
https://twitter.com/Ride_Argyle/status/925365332369436672
Vaughters was teammates with Glenn Magnusson, Kim's dad. :D
Title: Re: Cannondale news
Post by: LukasCPH on November 03, 2017, 11:58
Kit reveal tonight...


Its going to be pink based on the spoilers.
You may be more right than I first thought - this looks very pink:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNo_NbnXkAAEAYK.jpg)
Title: Re: Cannondale news
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on November 03, 2017, 14:55
 :(

I am not sure about the hype around cycling kits any more.

The best ones I remember are from teams that didn't change them radically every season.

I think Lotto/Soudal are the best example currently.

Maybe this will be a banger and I will be won over...



Maybe.
Title: Re: Cannondale news
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on November 03, 2017, 16:14
Pink shoulders, white torso, black shorts, green trim.  Argyll scarcely visible. meeh...
Title: Re: EF Drapac Cannondale Team Vaughters news
Post by: L'arri on April 06, 2018, 12:37
Not that it matters in the grand scheme, but it appears that there is only one, solitary American rider even entering the race this year—Taylor Phinney? After winning the junior race twice, he was never a threat in Roubaix as a pro. I haven't been following along, so is he even healthy? Has he accomplished anything of note this season that would put him on anyone's radar? Truth be told, I hadn't even realized he was still even riding professionally.


No wonder American TV is giving zero priority to Roubaix this year.  :secretlol

he is riding.

He rode Flanders last weekend, but didnt do anything of note.

to be totally honest - he has never been even close to the same rider since his accident.  I am glad he is riding this race as he does love it, but I dont know if he will ever get back to that level

I don't think he will.
I also think he's not beating himself up about that, but has accepted this 'fate', enjoying to be a classics super-domestique instead. And painting some paintings in his spare time.
:)

I was hoping someone would pick up on this for a discussion topic.

So, Taylor Phinney. Is he now living on his good name and the distant glimmer of a couple of promising seasons?

Before the terrible accident he suffered at the US National RR in 2014, I was never quite convinced that he could match the hype. Then afterwards, I rather hoped he would come back and do exactly that.

In any case, it's been hard for him and his profile today probably has as much to do with his colourful extracurricular outlook as it does his continued presence in the peloton.

One could argue, I suppose, that his much reported philosophising might suggest that he has been coming to terms with the reality for a while longer than his fans, but he still keeps turning up for races and his attitude does seem to fit the Vaughters brand. Phinney is out of contract at the end of 2018. What then?
Title: Re: EF Drapac Cannondale Team Vaughters news
Post by: just some guy on April 06, 2018, 15:47
I recon Phinney signs 2 years with Dimension or UHC and then retires to paint and drive his 911 around boulder
Title: Re: EF Drapac Cannondale Team Vaughters news
Post by: rote_laterne on April 07, 2018, 00:27
I guess he'll re-sign with  #efd or go PCT with  #holowesko
Title: Re: EF Drapac Cannondale Team Vaughters news
Post by: L'arri on April 11, 2018, 11:09
Phinney's 8th place finish on Sunday was a bit of a surprise after a pack-fodder Spring so far. Perhaps I should start to question the career longevity of other riders ...

I expect that alone will buy him another a couple of years as long as he doesn't get too ambitious.
Title: Re: EF Drapac Cannondale Team Vaughters news
Post by: AG on April 11, 2018, 11:28
or maybe that will help him get back the hunger a bit.

either way - I am really happy for him.  Great result
Title: Re: EF Drapac Cannondale Team Vaughters news
Post by: M Gee on April 11, 2018, 15:59
or maybe that will help him get back the hunger a bit.

either way - I am really happy for him.  Great result

I hope it does. One thing for sure, he's met, up close and personal, with the man in the hood carrying the big scythe. Had to stare that one in the face for a few brief moments - but I guarantee those moments are life changing. He'll file that somewhere in that philosophizing head of his.

As far as his talent - if anybody has good genes, Phinney does. The only way you could get better would be if Merckx had married Babe Didrikson or Beryl Burton. I agree that he has never quite been in that top 10% - hovering close outside. But I don't think he has the hunger his mom and dad did, either.

It was great to see him back, and super great to see him back near the top - where I think he should be!
Title: Re: EF Drapac Cannondale Team Vaughters news
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 21, 2019, 02:51
Bumpity bump...

Nice article here.

Michael Woods: How personal tragedy inspired Canadian cyclist's greatest success (https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/48688183)

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/320/cpsprodpb/11891/production/_107452817_woods_rex_promo.png)
Quote
"I heard my sport director Juan Manuel Garate on the radio," says Woods. "Juanma is an incredible human, an incredible director, and he knew how much I wanted to do something for my family.

"He didn't use it all race. He waited for this very moment. He came on the radio said to me: 'Do it for your family, Mike. Do it for your family.'"

Quote
When he was told in his teens that he was too small for the crash and bang of hockey, he threw himself into running, and by the end of high school had broken national records at 1500 metres, finished seventh at the World Junior Championships and won the Pan-American Championships.

Very nice profile.  :)