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Title: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on October 21, 2014, 11:08
It all started in Horsens: In the 1980s Erik Skelde started up a cycling team that stayed on the local level for a while. Finally, in the year 2000, "Cycling Horsens" got its first UCI license, with Erik's son Michael a young rider on the team.
Michael would go on to ride as a pro at *dk Team Fakta and *it Alessio-Bianchi before returning home to finish his career at the team and, together with his wife Christa, take over the management from 2009.

In 2001 the team changed its name to represent its primary sponsor, Danish metal packaging company Glud & Marstrand, that stayed with the team until 2012. A new main sponsor was found in the upcoming Danish energy drink brand CULT Energy, starting their title sponsorship with the 2013 season.

In the past 14 years, a large number of riders have passed through Glud & Marstrand, many talents continuing as pros at bigger teams. Others returned after a few years in the pro ranks and re-ignited their careers. The list of alumni is a Who's Who of Scandinavian cycling:
*dk Michael Skelde (now DS at the team)
*dk Jacob Nielsen
*dk Kasper Klostergaard (7 pro years with #csc #saxotinkoff)
*dk Jens-Erik Madsen (a mainstay in the Sixdays scene)
*dk Søren Petersen (an old journeyman with connections to the US)
*dk Lasse Bøchman (2 pro years with #csc)
*no Roy Hegreberg (now DS with #oster Team Øster Hus-Ridley)
*no Håvard Nybø
*dk Michael Berling
*dk Thomas Guldhammer (now DS with #cwk Christina Watches-Kuma)
*no Alexander Kristoff (needs no introduction; two Monuments and an Olympic bronze medal are but the tip of the iceberg)
*no Christer Rake (was one of the best Norwegians riding at local level until his retirement)
*dk Kaspar Schjønnemann
*dk André Steensen (4 pro years with #csc, retiring and turning DS after this season)
*dk Troels Vinther (3 pro years with Unibet & #saxotinkoff)
*dk Christopher Juul-Jensen (until now 3 pro years with #saxotinkoff #tinkoff)
*za Luthando Kaka (took valuable experience back to South Africa)
*usa Max Jenkins (1 pro year with #uhc)
*dk Ricky Enø (now a DS with ColoQuick)
*se Philip Lindau (rode for the junior team)
*dk Mads Christensen (5 pro years with #quickstep13 #barloworld #saxotinkoff)
*dk Christian Moberg
*dk Niki Østergaard
*dk Michael Valgren (until now 1 pro year with #tinkoff)
*dk Jimmi Sørensen
*dk Patrick Clausen
*dk Jesper Hansen (until now 1 pro year with #tinkoff)
*dk Sebastian Lander (first non-Riis rider in 5 years to win the #champdk, 2 pro years with #bmc)
*dk Rasmus Sterobo
*dk Magnus Cort (11 UCI victories in 2014, wore the #white Europe Tour jersey in August, will turn pro with #orica next year)
*dk Michael Reihs (3 pro years with #phonak & Fakta)
*dk Mads Würtz Schmidt (2012 Junior Paris-Roubaix winner)
*dk Michael Carbel (runner-up in the *dk champs in his first senior year, great sprint talent)
*dk Martin Mortensen (4 pro years with #vacansoleil #leopard)
*dk Mads Pedersen (2012 & 2013 Trofeo Karlsberg; 2013 Junior Paris-Roubaix, Course de la Paix Juniors; 2014 U23 Rund um Frankfurt)
*dk Emil Vinjebo


Plans to create a Danish ProConti team have been around for a while. The old Team Designa Køkken considered it for years, but ultimately the plans never came to fruition. Christina Watches talk about it every autumn, however that's always nothing but hot air.
The Skelde team have slowly, but surely established themselves as the most successful Danish Continental team, and this summer the finances were secured for the step up to ProConti level.
The team will have its home base in Luxembourg, with *lu Christian Weyland stepping into the team management together with Christa Skelde. Michael Skelde will continue to be the main DS, assisted by André Steensen and (announced today) Olympic track champion and Sixdays veteran Luke Roberts.

#cult CULT Energy Pro Cycling have re-signed some riders of the current squad and strengthened the team with Danish and foreign pros. 14 riders are on the 2015 roster until now - but as a ProConti team must have at least 16 riders, further announcements can be expected.

The 2015 team (will be updated):
*dk Michael Carbel
*gb Russell Downing
*de Linus Gerdemann
*dk Rasmus Guldhammer
*cz Karel Hnik
*lu Alex Kirsch
*se Gustav Larsson
*fr Romain Lemarchand
*de Christian Mager
*dk Martin Mortensen
*dk Mads Pedersen
*dk Rasmus Quaade
*dk Michael Reihs
*dk Troels Vinther
*de Fabian Wegmann
*lu Joel Zangerle


This thread will be the place to discuss everything CULT-related.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: cobblesandstones on October 21, 2014, 11:53
Curious to see them perform. Most curious about:

Michael Carbel: Can't wait to see him sprint against the best in the world. He is the only sprinter in this team

Mads Pedersen: Hope he will get some chances to ride for himself. Huge engine!

Whats your expectations of these two and the others?

Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on October 21, 2014, 12:01
Luke Roberts will ge dsing so there is the token *au for the team

ps welcome to VR Cobblesandstones

:welcome
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on October 21, 2014, 15:49
Welcome to Velorooms, cobblesandstones! :welcome
Nice nickname by the way.
If you want to, you can introduce yourself here (http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=26.0).

Curious to see them perform. Most curious about:

Michael Carbel: Can't wait to see him sprint against the best in the world. He is the only sprinter in this team

Mads Pedersen: Hope he will get some chances to ride for himself. Huge engine!

Whats your expectations of these two and the others?
Carbel could become a great sprinter. Don't forget that 2015 will be his only second senior season, I wouldn't expect him to compete with the very best sprinters right away. He definitely has the talent, but will need time to learn and adapt. Russ Downing will be a good mentor.

Pedersen's junior palmarès is staggering, and winning the U23 Rund um Frankfurt at age 18 shows he still has it. He's still very young, but the Skeldes have a great track record with talents and getting the best from riders. I expect him to continue his good development; it'll probably take some time until he is at the level Magnus Cort is at now - on the other hand, nobody expected Cort to be this good just 18 months ago.

I'll do a breakdown of my expectations for the other riders later.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on October 22, 2014, 11:43
Had a talk with Luke Roberts yesterday: :)
CyclingQuotes: Luke Roberts: "No Grand Tour for Cult in 2015" (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/luke_roberts_no_grand_tour_for_cult_in_2015/)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on November 25, 2014, 09:08
Knock Knock House keeping

https://twitter.com/mrconde/status/536901809722654720

https://twitter.com/mrconde/status/536902776887209984

The official press release says:

Quote
After disrupting partnership with Christian Weyland, Christa Skelde takes over as team manager for Pro Continental Team, Cult Energy Pro Cycling. This is the natural decision after a series of disappointments where Weyland has failed to live up to the expectations.

“With immediate effect, we have decided to dismiss the partnership with Christian Weyland. He simply failed to fulfill our expectations as a trustful partner and this is undoubtedly the right choice for the team. As team owners we have certain values and obligations to run things professionally along with a sound amount of stability and we won’t compromise our integrity by continuing the partnership with Weyland. Once again, Cult are showing their fantastic support and passion for this project and they support our decision morally and economically until we find a co-sponsor”,

says new team manager, Christa Skelde.

Brian Sørensen, owner of Cult Energy states:

"You can't measure the value, Cult Energy Pro Cycling has had for us in the past two years. Cult are now on top of the market in Denmark so obviously, we have a huge interest in making this project succeed. We have a special agreement with Skelde that goes beyond normal contract deals. We fully support their decision and we're backing up financially until a co-sponsor is found."
Ouch. Sounds like he was selling snake oil.

Team should survive financially for now, but they need that co-sponsor more than ever ... which might be the very reason Weyland was shown the door, according to this Feltet.dk article (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/cult-manager_fyret_1/).
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Leadbelly on December 18, 2014, 19:09
https://twitter.com/CULTEnergyPro/status/545638331846254593
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on December 18, 2014, 20:52
Also, trying to go to lioncycling.com (http://lioncycling.com) now auto-directs you to the team's Facebook page - try clicking the link.

Interesting ... :-x
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on January 23, 2015, 20:41
Very excited to see details of Post Cup 2015 released this week (oooh fancy a TT round being included  :cool).

I was musing on the best way to follow these races when a horrible question occurred.  I have been assuming Cult will be contesting this competition, but does their Pro-Conti status alter this?  I did attempt to find the find the rules on the DCU website, but without too much  success.

Anyone know?
Midge
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on January 23, 2015, 23:45
Very excited to see details of Post Cup 2015 released this week (oooh fancy a TT round being included  :cool).

I was musing on the best way to follow these races when a horrible question occurred.  I have been assuming Cult will be contesting this competition, but does their Pro-Conti status alter this?  I did attempt to find the find the rules on the DCU website, but without too much  success.

Anyone know?
Midge
Remind me to look into it. In two weeks. ;)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: DB-Coop on January 25, 2015, 07:29
Remind me to look into it. In two weeks. ;)

I found nothing either, but since you are winking, why in two weeks?
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on January 25, 2015, 15:53
I found nothing either, but since you are winking, why in two weeks?
Because I have better things to do until then. Like a holiday in *no Norway. :D
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on April 01, 2015, 20:54
Nice interview by Ed Hood with Mads Pedersen in Pez Cycling News:
PEZ Talk: Mads Pedersen (http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/interviews/pez-talk-mads-pedersen/#.VRxC9vnF8Xs)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Leadbelly on April 01, 2015, 21:29
Use [ url=http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/interviews/pez-talk-mads-pedersen/#.VRxC9vnF8Xs ]Interview with Mads[ /url ] but without the spaces.

Interview with Mads (http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/interviews/pez-talk-mads-pedersen/#.VRxC9vnF8Xs)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on April 01, 2015, 21:43
Thank you  :D

Looks a lot better now  :cool
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on April 24, 2015, 22:10
It's been on my mind to do a little season update on the team, but I thought I'd wait until after the Liege-Bastogne-Liege. 

However I just came across a piece written by Mogen Jacobsen in Politiken. Full article is HERE (http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE2636439/uventet-efterspoergsel-fra-storloeb-udsaetter-dansk-hold-for-haardt-pres/). In Danish, but google translate will do the business... sometimes with amusing consequences.

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Demand for Cult Energy riders have for the organizers proved to be so great that with a squad of 16 men just very difficult to do to satisfy it. 

Indeed from Michael Skelde...
Quote
"We now have so many tasks that the riders are really hard pressed. When it's come to this, is the fact that many organizers waiting long to provide information about whether they want us or not, while other states to immediately '.

The Cult team have really hit their races hard, racing aggressively and often making the breaks and flashing the kit, it's been good to see.  This week between AGR and LBL they were also down for Giro del Trentino... and it has stretched them so that they only field a team of 5.  Two of their young riders (Carbel and Pedersen) are also in U23 set up and are taking a well earned break. Quaade has been selected for European games track squad (I think) which will put him out of team action later.

It's a good problem to have, but I wonder how much longer they can keep this pace up? Hope they find their second sponsor in time for 2016.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: search on April 24, 2015, 22:16
many organizers waiting long to provide information about whether they want us or not, while other states to immediately '

this is interesting, there was an article about Pro Conti teams in CS last month, I wanted to sum up the interesting facts, but forgot about it...the same was mentioned in there. Teams get invites to smaller races early and can't just speculate on getting an invitation to a bigger one at the same time, because they might end up without races, or closing the door for next year. So they end up with a handful of riders doing the smaller one, like Cult in Trentino
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on April 24, 2015, 22:50
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Teams get invites to smaller races early and can't just speculate on getting an invitation to a bigger one at the same time, because they might end up without races, or closing the door for next year.

Yes that stood out for me too, and particularly so for Cult with this being their step up year. If google translate has worked correctly it read like, they were half hoping that the Trentino organisers  would say don't race, but I may be interpreting that incorrectly. Until this year I had little idea how non WT races went about getting teams... or teams got to compete in the races they wanted... so it's all been an eye opening business.

I can imagine not many are willing to gamble getting wildcard invites to bigger races and turning down 'smaller' races to do so... with all the consequences that might have.

Quick look at the 20 PCT team squads reveals: only Cult and Bardiani  have the minimum 16 riders, with a further 6  fielding teams below 20. Might have to look at the race days etc on this... but not tonight ;p
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: DB-Coop on April 24, 2015, 23:08
Yes that stood out for me too, and particularly so for Cult with this being their step up year. If google translate has worked correctly it read like, they were half hoping that the Trentino organisers  would say don't race, but I may be interpreting that incorrectly. Until this year I had little idea how non WT races went about getting teams... or teams got to compete in the races they wanted... so it's all been an eye opening business.

That would be correct, I read the article, Skelde talked to Trentino organizers, stating that they would not be able to start a full team. Skelde was expecting and hoping the organizers would be okay with just ripping up the contract, but Trentino organizers wanted Cult even though not a full team.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on August 19, 2015, 08:47
lots a news re the future of the team

presser on thursday

Lots of speculation re Riis yes or no, new Sponsor etc etc

https://twitter.com/CafeRoubaix/status/633907427231068160

lat is quite left field and due to that might be true  :D
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 20, 2015, 05:26
lots a news re the future of the team

presser on thursday

Lots of speculation re Riis yes or no, new Sponsor etc etc

https://twitter.com/CafeRoubaix/status/633907427231068160

lat is quite left field and due to that might be true  :D
It is true:
Feltet.dk: Danish cycling's flagship survives - merges with German team (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/gode_cult-nyheder_-_dansk-tysk_fusion/) (in *dk)

Spent much of yesterday doing detective work. It checks out. :cool

Post Merge: August 20, 2015, 05:27
https://twitter.com/lukascph/status/634213303225417728
;) :P :D
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: pastronef on August 20, 2015, 05:29
It is true:
Feltet.dk: Danish cycling's flagship survives - merges with German team (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/gode_cult-nyheder_-_dansk-tysk_fusion/) (in *dk)

Spent much of yesterday doing detective work. It checks out. :cool

Post Merge: August 20, 2015, 05:27
https://twitter.com/lukascph/status/634213303225417728
;) :P :D

Orange POC helmets?   :D
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on August 20, 2015, 10:04
https://twitter.com/AJ_MAYDAY/status/634289100456071168
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: cj2002 on August 20, 2015, 10:27
Orange POC helmets?   :D

Oh hell no...

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2012/08/03/2/rsw_0139_600.jpg)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on August 20, 2015, 11:36
They are the future. :)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: pastronef on August 20, 2015, 17:13
Oh hell no...

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2012/08/03/2/rsw_0139_600.jpg)

ahaha let´s see who gets the deal between Kask (Cult) and POC (Stolting)

If Larsson stays with the team I think hie personal sponsor POC could have a good chance
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 20, 2015, 23:19
Lots of interviews about the #cult #stolting merger today ...
Brian Sørensen, CULT owner (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/cult-ejer_lang_haard_kamp/) *dk
Michael Skelde (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/quotstlting_var_den_rigtige_mulighedquot/) *dk
Rasmus Guldhammer (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/guldhammer_uden_kontrakt_vil_gerne_blive_hos_skelde/) *dk
Gerdemann & Wegmann (http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_95089.htm) *de
Jochen Hahn (http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_95088.htm) *de

And I had a talk with Luke Roberts myself: ;)
Roberts: "A good opportunity for both teams" (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/roberts_good_opportunity_for_both_teams/) *au
Roberts: "Holdene passer godt sammen" (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/roberts_holdene_passer_godt_sammen/) *dk
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on August 20, 2015, 23:29
If Larsson stays with the team I think hie personal sponsor POC could have a good chance

No no no no! It has to be Kask PLEASE - for the love of God  :o
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 21, 2015, 23:56
Changed the thread title to reflect the new situation. :)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 22, 2015, 04:56
I'm excited about this merger! :D
Unlike other mergers born out of necessity to stop the merging teams from going under, it's a very good match.

The two sponsors aren't in it only to boost their brand recognition - the company bosses are fully on board with the sponsorship, and do it because of their love for the sport. The Stölting Ruhr-Profi Radteam GmbH[1] is a daughter company of the sponsor.

Both teams have always put the development of riders first. The list of Skelde's pro exports is in the opening post. Stölting's list isn't quite as impressive - but the team has only been around for five years:
#roompot *nl Jesper Asselman
#bora *de Phil Bauhaus
#cult *de Christian Mager ;)
#giant *de Max Walscheid[2]
#bora *de Silvio Herklotz[3]
#katusha *de Nils Politt[4]


Now, let's look at the equipment. #cult has ridden on Ridley bikes, #stolting on Stevens. As Ridley only came on board this year and as perennial bike sponsor at #lotto traditionally have a bigger role in the pro peloton, I expect them to continue. See also further down for another reason I believe in Ridley ... :shh

The kit manufacturer for #cult has been Marcello Bergamo with Kask providing the helmets. At #stölting both parts were united at POC who also provide #tcg with their lids. I expect POC to stay on board, Marcello Bergamo is a small company in comparison. Orange helmets and kit details! :carrot


With that out of the way, we come to the most interesting part of the merger:
Transfer speculations! :woohoo

Here's a table with the teams' 2015 squads, followed by another table with prospective new signings.
Nat. Name 2015 Probability Notes
*lu Alex Kirsch #cult 100 Has contract for 2016.
*de Christian Mager #cult 100 Has contract for 2016.
*de Fabian Wegmann #cult 100 Has contract for 2016.
*lu Joël Zangerlé #cult 100 Has contract for 2016.
*de Lennard Kämna #stolting 100 Confirmed as having signed for 2016 in #stolting presser.
*de Linus Gerdemann #cult 100 Has contract for 2016.
*dk Mads Pedersen #cult 100 Has contract for 2016.
*dk Michael Carbel #cult 100 Has contract for 2016.
*dk Rasmus Quaade #cult 100 Has contract for 2016.
*cz Karel Hnik #cult 95 Not confirmed in #cult presser, but ought to have two-year neo-pro contract. Probably just an oversight.
*dk Rasmus Guldhammer #cult 90 No contract yet, but wants to stay. And they'd be stupid not to keep him.
*dk Martin Mortensen #cult 80 No contract yet, but one of the better riders of the team.
*dk Michael Reihs #cult 80 Road captain and Skelde's right hand on the road – the only reason not to keep him would be if he became a DS.
*dk Troels Vinther #cult 80 No contract yet, but one of the better riders of the team.
*de Jan Oelerich #stolting 70 Has been with #stolting since the beginning in 2011; doubled as the team's press officer. Will probably get a contract.
*de Sven Reutter #stolting 65 Very promising youngster. Although 2016 will only be his second U23 year, I think he'll get offered a deal.
*de Manuel Porzner #stolting 60 Promising youngster. Although 2016 will only be his second U23 year, I think he'll get offered a deal.
*de Thomas Koep #stolting 60 Has been with #stolting since the beginning in 2011. Despite a lack of results, I believe that he'll be carried through; probably a good domestique.
*se Gustav Larsson #cult 55 May retire.
*uk Russell Downing #cult 50 May move to one of the *uk ProConti prospects #onepro & #nfto, or retire.
*de Jonas Tenbrock #stolting 40 2016 will be his third U23 year, has some decent results. May or may not get a deal.
*de Maximilian Werda #stolting 35 Dominated the Tour of Malopolska last year. Could lose out on a pro deal if push comes to shove.
*de Arne Egner #stolting 25 Has good results from his junior years – but these are some time ago by now.
*de Til Schuster #stolting 25 Was #stolting's best finisher in the Velothon Berlin, but that's the 18-year old's only result. Expect him to be handed off to a Conti team.
*de Moritz Backofen #stolting 15 Second in German U23 champs, but otherwise nothing that would justify a pro contract.
*de Ole Quast #stolting 15 One of the older #stolting riders, not many results.
*nz James Early #stolting 10 Was recommended to #stolting by Luke Roberts if I remember correctly, but that may not be enough for a pro contract.
*fr Romain Lemarchand #cult 10 Was signed with the prospect of getting some race invites (through his ex-pro father François). Didn't really work out, and hasn't done much of note.
*bg Nako Georgiev #stolting 5 No results of note, no idea how a Bulgarian got onto #stolting in the first place. Will probably be cut.
*de Nils Politt #stolting 5 Stagiaire with #katusha, a pro contract looks to be on the table. Confirmed as leaving in German media.
*de Silvio Herklotz #stolting 0 Has signed with #bora already.

Nat. Name 2015 Probability Notes
*dk Lasse Norman #tcg 50 Out of contract at #tcg, didn't exactly excel in his neo-pro years. A step down to ProConti would enable him to focus on the Rio Olympics – just like Quaade will do.
*dk Mads Würtz #coloquick 45 Rumoured to have pro contract offers, although it may be too early for WT. This team would be a good stepping stone.
*de Paul Martens #jumbo 45 Has lots of WT experience, would be one of the leaders.
*nl Jens Mouris #orica 40 Leaving #orica. He would be a good road captain.
*de Tino Thömel #rts 40 Would strengthen the team's sprint squad – Carbel can't do it all on his own.
*dk Alexander Kamp #coloquick 35 Has some contract offers, will almost certainly become a pro. If there is a WT contract, he'll take that – if not, the team's Danish component will be attractive.
*se Alexander Wetterhall #treberg 35 Has some pro experience, even at WT races. Might want to give it another try.
*dk Asbjørn Kragh #ttbw 30 Has several pro contract offers. Doesn't have to stay with his brother, but may well do so. Possible, but unlikely.
*na Dan Craven #europcar 30 Bearded Namibian champion & former Olympian. Attracts media attention, speaks fluid German, likes Denmark.
*de Gerald Ciolek #mtn 30 Said to be happy at #mtn, but didn't ride a GT this year. #cult took over much of the #mtn support staff last winter – maybe they'll sign a rider too?
*be Jurgen van den Broeck #lotto 30 Is leaving #lotto after what feels like forever – may want to stay on a Ridley bike. Could get the team a GT wildcard, otherwise he could lead them in shorter stage races.
*se Michael Olsson #ttbw 25 Twice Swedish champion, he's been riding at a level that's too low for his talent. Should be picked up in my opinion.
*de Roger Kluge #iam 25 Former track rider with six years of pro experience, including 3 GT starts. What looks like a step back could be a chance to build a lasting role at a team that's on the way up.
*de Andreas Schillinger #bora 20 Would be a good road captain if #bora let him go.
*se Jonas Ahlstrand #cofidis 20 Hasn't done that great in his #cofidis year – a (partly) Scandinavian team would offer new opportunities.
*si Marko Kump #adria 20 Would be a good sprinter for the team, and this may be his natural level – WT is too high, Conti far too low. Not from the sponsors' principal markets, though.
*dk Matti Breschel #tinkoff 20 Out of contract at #tinkoff, and not extremely likely to get a new deal there. But a step this far down may not be for him.
*dk Søren Kragh #ttbw 20 Has his picks of other pro offers, several at WT level. Very unlikely.
*se Alexander Gingsjö #treberg 15 Current Swedish champion. Is 32 though and, unlike other prospects, has no previous pro experience.
*dk Patrick Clausen #ttbw 15 Decent Danish rider, has ridden for #cult previously. Would mostly have a domestique role, so may prefer to continue where he is now.
*de Ralf Matzka #bora 15 Should get a new #bora deal – but if he doesn't, he would provide experience.
*dk Chris Anker #tinkoff 10 Out of contract at #tinkoff, will definitely go elsewhere. Rumoured to be close to signing for #bora, though.
*se Gustav Höög #treberg 10 Promising Swedish talent with a special preference for Estonian races. Early for a pro contract at 20, but could continue his development at the team.
*fi Jussi Veikkanen #fdj 10 Out of contract at #fdj, might want to end his pro career by building up a new team – and maybe provide a pathway for young Finns.
*nl Stef Clement #iam 10 Experienced rider, good time trialist, road captain. But this may not be the best fit for him.
*lu Bob Jungels #trek 5 Out of contract at #trek – but I don't see him not getting a new contract there. Unlikely.
*de Christian Knees #sky 5 Would be a phenomenal road captain, but #sky will probably retain him. They'd be stupid not to.
*ee Gert Jõeäär #cofidis 5 Estonian champion, but will probably stay with Cofidis if offered a new deal.
*de Paul Voss #bora 5 Out of contract at #bora, but will probably get a new deal.
*de Rick Zabel #bmc 0 Will surely get a new #bmc contract.

If you add up all the probabilities (which are meant as percentages), you'd get 25-26 riders. A great deal more than the 16-20 floating around as the team's target size, but some of my suggestions will be snapped up by other, bigger teams or re-sign with their old squad, making this a realistic assessment in my eyes.

Let the discussion begin! :)
 1. that will do the team management
 2. stagiaire
 3. from 2016
 4. stagiaire, possible pro contract
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 22, 2015, 08:42
Saturday fun ... :D
https://twitter.com/lukascph/status/634993838956879872
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on August 22, 2015, 10:32
Excellent work Lukas  :cool :cool

I am excited too, I had been very worried the whole project was going belly up. As you say the merger works well for lots of reasons:

Cult are saved and Stolting can go PC, something that would have been risky/unfeasible otherwise.

It sounds as though the financial base is solid, a rarity in these times especially for smaller teams.
 
The few details we have about the backroom staff sounds heartening and will allow the likes of Skelde to concentrate on his core skills and not have to deal with the burden of running the business. Providing they have the right people in place (and I have no knowledge to comment on that) this is a very important detail. For all I moan at Tinkoff-Saxo, the separation of business from sporting duties is the way to go.

What I love most of all is that the two teams have the shared background in and desire to keep developing new talent...

On the issue of team kit... You think Marcello will lose the kit contract? :( I suppose I can't have everything and I am agog to see what the new design will be like mind  :lol

However, POC helmet and glasses... look at Trefor Blue Water  #shudders. The Kask is so much neater on the and doesn't look like an abomination stuck on top of their heads. On the brighter side I suppose it will give me something to gripe against over the next THREE YEARS....

:D :D THREE WHOLE YEARS does happy dance again  :D :D

And now to TRANSFERS cos that's where the most fun will come from
I am hoping to see a squad nearer to 20 than 16.  I felt  #cult were over stretched this year, almost certainly as a consequence of not knowing which races they would get invites to early enough in the season. I hope it will be a little easier to plan for 2016.  Plus if they have both Quaade and  #tcg Lasse Norman on board, they will need extra cover to allow for Olympic prep.

10 riders on board (I think Hnik must have had a two year neo-pro contract too), so looking for another 6 to 10.

I can't see any good argument for not offering new deals to  #cult Guldhammer, Mortensen, Vinther, and Reihs. In fact they should be knocking at Guldhammer's door right now. I thought Reihs might step down and become a DS after this year, but a yet another new challenge might tempt him... and I guess how many Ds's will they operate, especially with Skelde back to sporting duties.

As for #stolting I know hardly anything about their squad... but a mix of U23 and more senior experienced squad members sounds feasible

If they offer all 8  contract, that only leaves two places for their upper limit of 20 riders  :o :o... and you have offered a veritable chocolate box of options.

FWIW I think they will go for  #coloquick Mads Wurz. He was close to making the cut last year and I think he'll be suited at this level before a move further on. Plus I think I'm right in saying TTing may be a bit of a speciality for the team.

Not sure about  #tcg Lasse Norman. My heart would love to see it, but with the only a dicey potential two places up for grabs, not sure he'll make it.

They do need another sprinter. Marko Kump would be great, but I don't think it'll happen. There must surely be a young German talent to bring on board. I know Russ Downing hasn't produced the results and may prefer to go for a UK based team, but I do think he has been a good team player, helping that team to bond. And while that may not be enough to keep him, it should be recognised.

Not keen on  #lotto J vdB so ruling that one out  ;)

#trefor Kragh brothers and #Kamp are all brilliant but probably destined elsewhere

Good road captains are crucial. It's a pivotal role and particularly for a team finding it's feet in the Pro peloton and with a slant towards younger riders.  My gut feeling is they'll look for a German which would rule out  #greenedge Mouris  :(#sky Knees would be tip top, fingers crossed he's looking for a new challenge. Of course there is ALWAYS  #sky Bernie Eisel \o/ along with his partner in crime  #etixx Cav - thereby solving the sprinter dilemma  ;)

Of all the low probability choices I think I like  #fdj Jussi Veikkanen best, closely followed by  #europcar Dan Craven

I might just explode if they signed Special Breschel  :D 
But for all that I don't think it will happen, he'll want WT for sure... though I can't see where atm #worried

Right I'll stop rambling now and finish with one last thought. It is definitely exciting times ahead.  A lot of thought will be put into just what sort of team they want to be, which type of races they want to focus on.  I know that's a bit chicken and egg, in that the riders they already carry through and of course sponsors needs will dictate that to some extent... but even so it might help to narrow down where their new signings will come from.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on August 23, 2015, 08:01
https://twitter.com/RadsportNewscom/status/635333923996868609
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 23, 2015, 19:29
A good move to have a team manager who is familiar with cycling, but still comes from "outside". He won't have the blinkers many "insiders" have.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: ciranda on August 25, 2015, 00:09
So on the one hand that manager talks about nationality not being important and on the other, if I understood, about a German core. I don't know what that means but for sure keeping any of the current riders from Stölting would weaken the team. Last year CULT cut almost everyone, even really talented guys like Sterobo and Christensen. There is no reason it should be different now and besides with four Germans (and also Kirsch I guess) there is already a significant number of German riders.

For signings two or three real quality guys is what it should be about. I don't really see a need for capitaine de route types or support riders. Jeannesson would maybe be great if he can't continue with FDJ or someone from Europcar or maybe Baptiste Planckaert for the Belgian races. Burghardt and Gretsch are some German riders who could improve the team but they are probably not going anywhere.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 25, 2015, 08:45
So on the one hand that manager talks about nationality not being important and on the other, if I understood, about a German core. I don't know what that means but for sure keeping any of the current riders from Stölting would weaken the team. Last year CULT cut almost everyone, even really talented guys like Sterobo and Christensen. There is no reason it should be different now and besides with four Germans (and also Kirsch I guess) there is already a significant number of German riders.
CULT kept 5 riders, though. Sterobo retired, Mads C may have wanted more than the UCI minimum wage (there's good money in the *dk Conti scene if you know where to go to), or simply didn't want to give the pro life another try - he retired in July, so that's actually very likely.

They may not keep many #stolting guys, most are simply not good enough - but it would go against the "old" Stölting team's philosophy if they did a complete clean-out.

Managers say a lot, much of it doesn't necessarily have to mean anything. ;)
Nationality may not be the only factor in deciding which riders to approach - but it could play a role in which riders say yes.


For signings two or three real quality guys is what it should be about. I don't really see a need for capitaine de route types or support riders. Jeannesson would maybe be great if he can't continue with FDJ or someone from Europcar or maybe Baptiste Planckaert for the Belgian races. Burghardt and Gretsch are some German riders who could improve the team but they are probably not going anywhere.
Three hours ago I would have said that Jeannesson isn't ever going to happen. Now he's confirmed as leaving #fdj - good pick there. :cool

"Someone from Europcar" - most French riders stay in France for their entire careers. Craven would be an option, as I said in my own crystal ball post (he speaks German fluently) - other than that, it's anyone's guess.

Burghardt & Gretsch are out of contract; especially Gretsch has been somewhat of a journeyman, never more than two years at the same team. I don't think they'll have the money for Burghardt, but Gretsch is a possibility.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Leadbelly on August 25, 2015, 09:24
Has this changed Cult's plans for the rest of the year? They still finishing racing early?
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on August 25, 2015, 09:56
Has this changed Cult's plans for the rest of the year? They still finishing racing early?

No, I'm sure I read that they'll still finish on Sept 13th... they have riders at the Worlds so would be stretched to roster a team. I'll see if I can remember where I read it.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on August 25, 2015, 10:02
I don't really see a need for capitaine de route types or support riders.

Still think they'll need one, particularly if they take younger riders. If Reihs stays, that's one. But they need to  offer something other than good road captain skills.

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Jeannesson would maybe be great if he can't continue with FDJ
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Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 25, 2015, 10:09
Has this changed Cult's plans for the rest of the year? They still finishing racing early?
No, I'm sure I read that they'll still finish on Sept 13th... they have riders at the Worlds so would be stretched to roster a team. I'll see if I can remember where I read it.
You read it here: ;)
And I had a talk with Luke Roberts myself: ;)
Roberts: "A good opportunity for both teams" (http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/roberts_good_opportunity_for_both_teams/) *au
Roberts: "Holdene passer godt sammen" (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/roberts_holdene_passer_godt_sammen/) *dk

They'll finish (as a team) after Britain, with a couple of guys going to Richmond of course.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on August 25, 2015, 11:05
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You read it here: ;)

Knew it was somewhere  :P
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 27, 2015, 22:10
Jeannesson would maybe be great if he can't continue with FDJ
Jeannesson speculated as going to ex-Europcar (which makes a whole lot more sense from a French point of view).

Looking at talented ex-Stölting riders who might "come back", I've found two:
#leopard Jan Dieteren, who's currently doing well in l'Avenir, but doesn't have a pro deal yet as far as I know; and #kuota Max Walscheid, who's a Giant-Alpecin stagiaire, but may look for a lower rung of the ladder if he isn't taken over full-time there.

I know that they've said they'll look for experience and routine more than promise and potential in their new signings, but paper and press microphones don't blush. And these two could be spinned as not really being new signings, but instead returning to the fold.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on August 27, 2015, 22:55
The few details we have about the backroom staff sounds heartening and will allow the likes of Skelde to concentrate on his core skills and not have to deal with the burden of running the business. Providing they have the right people in place (and I have no knowledge to comment on that) this is a very important detail. For all I moan at Tinkoff-Saxo, the separation of business from sporting duties is the way to go.

What I love most of all is that the two teams have the shared background in and desire to keep developing new talent...
Yes. :win

On the issue of team kit... You think Marcello will lose the kit contract? :( I suppose I can't have everything and I am agog to see what the new design will be like mind  :lol

However, POC helmet and glasses... look at Trefor Blue Water  #shudders. The Kask is so much neater on the and doesn't look like an abomination stuck on top of their heads. On the brighter side I suppose it will give me something to gripe against over the next THREE YEARS....
Marcello Bergamo is a small brand. Very small, actually. They could want to promote themselves as supplying kit for CULT Stölting only, but I think it's more likely that POC step up to the task. The Swedish company had basically put its corporate branding on the #stolting kit, hinting at a substantial involvement (and financial contribution). They would be able to do whatever they wanted with kit & equipment if they become a main partner.
It could also be one of the "regular" kit manufacturers like Santini, Alé, Bio Racer or Vermarc - but I think POC is overwhelmingly likely.
Sorry, Midge. :P

As for bikes - it could be just about any brand really. I expect Große Kreul[1] busily scouring the Eurobike these days talking to bike producers, trying to sell his team to them. :D

I am hoping to see a squad nearer to 20 than 16.  I felt  #cult were over stretched this year, almost certainly as a consequence of not knowing which races they would get invites to early enough in the season. I hope it will be a little easier to plan for 2016.  Plus if they have both Quaade and  #tcg Lasse Norman on board, they will need extra cover to allow for Olympic prep.
Definitely closer to 20 than 16. Maybe even above 20 if they can some extra money (POC! Big bike brand! Company with interests in both countries!).

FWIW I think they will go for  #coloquick Mads Wurz. He was close to making the cut last year and I think he'll be suited at this level before a move further on. Plus I think I'm right in saying TTing may be a bit of a speciality for the team.
Würtz would be a most obvious signing. I'm sure they would be happy to have him - but he might get bigger offers (from teams with larger coffers)[2] after his summer performances.

Not sure about  #tcg Lasse Norman. My heart would love to see it, but with the only a dicey potential two places up for grabs, not sure he'll make it.
It depends on how many places will be up for grabs. Norman could lose out as he's not from the Skelde stable, and especially with being out for some time because of Rio ... but they could also turn it around and put together tailor-made programs for him & Quaade in cooperation with DCU.
Not many teams are willing to accommodate a track Olympian, this one is - that will play into the rider's own decision-making process.

They do need another sprinter. Marko Kump would be great, but I don't think it'll happen. There must surely be a young German talent to bring on board. I know Russ Downing hasn't produced the results and may prefer to go for a UK based team, but I do think he has been a good team player, helping that team to bond. And while that may not be enough to keep him, it should be recognised.
Russ Downing is a good guy to have on your roster, personally I'd want to keep him. But the lure of a British PCT may be too big.
Agree on Kump, he's more likely to go to an Italian[3] team: #lampre Lampre-Merida? #ccc CCC Sprandi? If he has no other options & can find a rich uncle, #androni Androni Giocattoli-Sidermec?
And that's where Tino Thömel comes in ... :D

Not keen on  #lotto J vdB so ruling that one out  ;)
#katusha have solved this problem. :)

#trefor Kragh brothers and #Kamp are all brilliant but probably destined elsewhere
Yeah, it's not going to happen. They're destined elsewhere, for bigger and better (?) things.

Good road captains are crucial. It's a pivotal role and particularly for a team finding it's feet in the Pro peloton and with a slant towards younger riders.  My gut feeling is they'll look for a German which would rule out  #greenedge Mouris  :(#sky Knees would be tip top, fingers crossed he's looking for a new challenge. Of course there is ALWAYS  #sky Bernie Eisel \o/ along with his partner in crime  #etixx Cav - thereby solving the sprinter dilemma  ;)
Knees would be a top pick; he's probably very well-paid at Sky, though.
Eisel - not going to happen, and neither is Cav. They'll spend (part of) their off-season in *za South Africa, I'm sure! :P
Burghardt and Gretsch have been mentioned, and I'll use this opportunity to shovel more coal on the Ciolek fire. ;)
Another stellar signing would be Marcel Sieberg - but there's no way he'll leave Greipel's side. And there's no way Greipel will leave #lotto Lotto-Soudal.

Of all the low probability choices I think I like  #fdj Jussi Veikkanen best, closely followed by  #europcar Dan Craven
Crossing fingers for both. In particular Dan from Nam, of course! :)

I might just explode if they signed Special Breschel  :D 
But for all that I don't think it will happen, he'll want WT for sure... though I can't see where atm #worried
Too expensive in my mind. But who knows, if he's out of favour everywhere else ...

There have been some new smoke signals saying that #champdk Chris Anker is a potential signing - but I don't see it happening myself, really. Puzzled why he isn't announced at #bora already, actually.

A good, consistent and attacking rider who would strengthen the team is #vorarlberg Grischa Janorschke. But the team will probably be too small to take on riders like him.

Right I'll stop rambling now and finish with one last thought. It is definitely exciting times ahead.
Very exciting! :woohoo
 1. what a marvellous name
 2. yes, I did this on purpose
 3. or "Italian"
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: DB-Coop on August 28, 2015, 21:18
https://twitter.com/veloropa/status/637299457151893504

Considering this, well maybe...
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on September 23, 2015, 07:14
http://cultenergyprocycling.com/lennard-kamna-signs-two-year-contract-with-cult-energy-stolting-group/ (http://cultenergyprocycling.com/lennard-kamna-signs-two-year-contract-with-cult-energy-stolting-group/)

Kämna's neo-pro deal is now officially official. :)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: DJW on September 23, 2015, 17:45
http://cultenergyprocycling.com/lennard-kamna-signs-two-year-contract-with-cult-energy-stolting-group/ (http://cultenergyprocycling.com/lennard-kamna-signs-two-year-contract-with-cult-energy-stolting-group/)

Kämna's neo-pro deal is now officially official. :)

Great signing!
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on October 01, 2015, 18:25
#cult Troels Vinther ---> #riwal
Hmm. The *dk exodus at #cult continues - Mortensen, now Vinther ...
I hope they'll keep a reasonable number of Danes. :(
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: ciranda on October 01, 2015, 18:52
Yeah, what's the point of the team if they only have four, maybe five next year?
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: search on October 01, 2015, 19:00
well, how many riders will they have? ~16-18? Around 1/3 Danish, 1/3 German, 1/3 International I think, would make sense to me. This year most of the riders were not Danish already, and that was before they got a German sponsor.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on October 01, 2015, 20:00
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I hope they'll keep a reasonable number of Danes.
Me too, not quite sure what is going on atm. The (re)-signing of Quaade for example. Surely he was a neo and on a two year contract anyway? Maybe it's because it's not strictly the same team??  Are they going through the whole process with all Carbel and Pedersen too.

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Yeah, what's the point of the team if they only have four, maybe five next year?
We'll have to wait and see I guess... Guldhammer, Quaade, Kamp.. Carbel and Pedersen, unless they're renegotiating them as well. The only Danes left unaccounted for is Reihs, I might have missed something though I guess.

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well, how many riders will they have? ~16-18? Around 1/3 Danish, 1/3 German, 1/3 International I think, would make sense to me. This year most of the riders were not Danish already, and that was before they got a German sponsor.
I'm hoping for more than 16, and would be looking more like 20... they were struggling this year to field teams, particularly when the young guys were national team duties.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: ciranda on October 01, 2015, 22:06
well, how many riders will they have? ~16-18? Around 1/3 Danish, 1/3 German, 1/3 International I think, would make sense to me. This year most of the riders were not Danish already, and that was before they got a German sponsor.

Without looking at nationality Vinther has been one of the better riders this year, better than all international riders except maybe Hnik. In addition he is good support for Guldhammer because he is the same type of cyclist more or less.

So Vinther seemed like a valuable rider to keep. It's unlikely that he preferred to go elsewhere. Five Danish riders are confirmed right now and unless they sign more it's not okay for a team who has talked a lot about their ambition to develop cyclists and help transition into WT teams. It's true that the lineup this year was already a disappointment in that regard but that was explained by the late start last year.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on October 01, 2015, 22:10
Yeah, what's the point of the team if they only have four, maybe five next year?
They had 7/16 this year.
That number will go down, it appears now, but hopefully not by too much.

Me too, not quite sure what is going on atm. The (re)-signing of Quaade for example. Surely he was a neo and on a two year contract anyway? Maybe it's because it's not strictly the same team??  Are they going through the whole process with all Carbel and Pedersen too.
Who knows? It's all very confusing to me. :S

I'm hoping for more than 16, and would be looking more like 20... they were struggling this year to field teams, particularly when the young guys were national team duties.
I would hope for more than 16 too; 18-20 would be good.
5 Danes are confirmed so far (if we assume that the neo-pro contracts of Carbel & Mads P will be honoured), 1-4 more could be added - Reihs, Norman, Würtz, AKA. I don't think we'll see more than 2 of those at the team.
5 Germans are confirmed until now (including neo-pro Christian Mager), plus the 3 "foreign" neo-pros Hnik, Kirsch & Zangerle.
I'd expect 2-4 more Germans to be announced; if the number of extra Germans is low, one or two "foreigners" might come on board too.

All in all, that gives us this:
*dk 5-7
*de 5-9
*eu 3-4
The two main sponsors may want to keep a balance of Danes & Germans, putting us to e.g. 7 each, plus the 3 foreigners - that's a roster of 17. If an exceptional prospect comes along, that balance may be thrown out the window though.


I have to say that the merger team is starting to leave me with a sour taste.
Last year when CULT stepped up there was a cleaning out of sorts - but they still kept several of the team's mainstays (Reihs, Vinther; Steensen as DS) and their biggest talents (Carbel, Mads P; letting Würtz go, well ... even Skelde can't do everything right).
As it is now, Stölting only carry over Kämna and Reutter, while Herklotz and Politt have signed with other pro teams (I guess they can't do much about that). But no matter what, almost a dozen of 2015's #stolting riders will be looking for a new team.

The "old" Stölting team's emphasis on development inside and outside cycling (the team encourages riders to continue their education, and offers employment in the company for ex-riders) appears to be another victim of the sponsor's step up to the bigger (but, with a squad that's all but the bare minimum, still relatively modest) scene.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on October 01, 2015, 22:16
Vinther seemed like a valuable rider to keep. It's unlikely that he preferred to go elsewhere.
Some of the Danish Conti teams pay quite handsome wages to their more established riders; #riwal is said to be the team with the highest budget (I know, you wouldn't guess so from their results). It's not inconceivable that they've matched or even exceeded CULT-Stölting's contract offer (that won't have been much above the prescribed UCI minimum).


Five Danish riders are confirmed right now and unless they sign more it's not okay for a team who has talked a lot about their ambition to develop cyclists and help transition into WT teams. It's true that the lineup this year was already a disappointment in that regard but that was explained by the late start last year.
Fully agree (as posted above).
This year, there was the uncertainty about the sponsor situation though, with planning for 2016 only really starting in mid-August. That would explain some of the helterskelterness with which the roster is again assembled - but not all of it.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: search on October 01, 2015, 22:22
Without looking at nationality Vinther has been one of the better riders this year, better than all international riders except maybe Hnik. In addition he is good support for Guldhammer because he is the same type of cyclist more or less.

with "International" you mean not German or Danish? Because without Wegmann and Gerdemann they would struggle to get invites to any proper races I think. So I see those two as key riders for the team, basically no matter the results. Downing also opened some doors to the British races I guess. Although Gerdemann even secured their biggest win of the season in Luxembourg.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: ciranda on October 01, 2015, 22:57
Some of the Danish Conti teams pay quite handsome wages to their more established riders; #riwal is said to be the team with the highest budget (I know, you wouldn't guess so from their results). It's not inconceivable that they've matched or even exceeded CULT-Stölting's contract offer (that won't have been much above the prescribed UCI minimum).

That's interesting, you mentioned that before. Alright but Vinther seems like someone who really loves cycling and would choose a better race program over money. Yeah, Riwal sucks pretty hard most of the time.

The "old" Stölting team's emphasis on development inside and outside cycling (the team encourages riders to continue their education, and offers employment in the company for ex-riders) appears to be another victim of the sponsor's step up to the bigger (but, with a squad that's all but the bare minimum, still relatively modest) scene.

Oh cool, Stölting seems like a good team. I care mostly about the Danish riders, as is obvious. And from this chauvinistic perspective it's like Danish cycling need a team like CULT more than German cycling does. Signing Reutter is equal to signing Klaris Bak or Gregaard (although both have much better results) and no way is that going to happen. It wouldn't be a good option anyway for them because they need to get better first.

The real thing CULT should do is take established or almost established, experienced guys who can be valuable and Vinther surely is one.

with "International" you mean not German or Danish?

Yeah same definition you used above.

Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on October 02, 2015, 00:16
That's interesting, you mentioned that before. Alright but Vinther seems like someone who really loves cycling and would choose a better race program over money.
True enough. But we don't know what's happening for him outside cycling. Maybe he wants to take a university degree and cuts back on the cycling for that, maybe his girlfriend is pregnant and he wants to spend more time with the family ... All possible.

Signing Reutter is equal to signing Klaris Bak or Gregaard (although both have much better results) and no way is that going to happen.
Ha, good point. :lol
But as always, whoever pays the bills gets to call the shots.

If I had to guess, I would say that CULT (the sponsor/the Danish half of the team) can pick ~1/3 of the squad, Stölting (the sponsor/the German half) have another 1/3, and the last third is chosen based purely on sporting criteria.

If the half-dozen neo-pros (Quaade, Carbel, Mads P, Hnik, Kirsch, Zangerle) were to be considered part of the "CULT legacy", that's their whole allotment as good as gone.
Guldhammer & Kamp can be assigned to the third that makes sense from a sporting standpoint, as can Kämna, Gerdemann and Wegmann.
Maybe Wegmann could be pushed over into the Stölting allotment, joining Reutter there.

But even then, you might want to brace yourself for a few more *de signings - better to be prepared. Mager, Oelerich, Porzner, Koep ... :shh


;)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: search on October 02, 2015, 08:06
oh, most definitely. But Carbel can still do the leadout for Porzner I guess  :P
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on November 06, 2015, 11:30
A bit of technical information...

https://twitter.com/SpazioCiclismo/status/662586801668780032

Looks like Cult-Stölting will ride Rose bikes for 2016 (Cult were on Ridley, not sure what Stolting rode in 2015)

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the link gives this....
The Cult Energy - Stölting Group announced a new technical partner for 2016. The German company  Rose will supply all the equipment on bicycles in the Danish team taking over the Belgian  Ridley . The agreement was recently signed revealing one of the keys to unlock the negotiations for the signing of Gerald Ciolek from MTN-QHUBEKA. This is the first time at these levels for the Rose that has probed so far the only national market in particular by sponsoring the team RadNet - Rose .

Interesting for the link re Ciolek.  I've placed orders with Rose before (not a bike though), excellent company to deal with and a nice move for them to get involved at a higher level.

Just a little niggle though, I know I'm biased, but this feels less and less Danish as the time goes on (and yes I KNOW it was always going to be so ;p)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on November 06, 2015, 11:43
2016 team update as of Nov 6th

Riders (17)
 *dk CARBEL SVENDGAARD, Michael
 *de CIOLEK, Gerald
 *de GERDEMANN, Linus
 *dk GULDHAMMER, Rasmus
 *dk HANSEN, Lasse Norman
 *dk KAMP, Alexander
 *lx KIRSCH, Alex
 *de KOEP, Thomas
 *de KäMNA, Lennard
 *fr LEMARCHAND, Romain
 *de MAGER, Christian
 *dk PEDERSEN, Mads
 *dk QUAADE, Rasmus
 *dk REIHS, Michael
 *de REUTTER, Sven
 *de TENBROCK, Jonas
 *de WEGMANN, Fabian

I'd still like to see them with at least one or two more... but we shall see.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on November 09, 2015, 10:45
 :(

Not listed on the long-awaited first tranche of teams receiving WT and PCT licences released today  (http://www.uci.ch/pressreleases/registration-uci-worldteams-and-uci-professional-continental-teams-for-the-206-season/)

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Six teams applying for UCI Professional Continental status have had their application declined in the first instance and their files have been referred to the Licence Commission in accordance with article 2.16.017.

The UCI will communicate the decisions of the Licence Commission concerning the award of further licences during November and December.

Wonder what the problem is this year? Last year it was due to the late loss (well non appearance) of Luxembourg sponsor and money, and having to redo all the paperwork.  But they have had time this year to submit everything...

We'll have to wait and see, hopefully it's a procedural problem which can be sorted quickly.



Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on November 09, 2015, 11:36
We'll have to wait and see, hopefully it's a procedural problem which can be sorted quickly.
I don't expect any serious problems at all. Not for this team (nor for any other, really).
They have two main sponsors, a committed bike partner, a strong roster (stronger than for 2015 in my opinion) - it must be procedural. Could be as simple as faxing a copy instead of mailing an original; nothing more than a 2-week hold-up.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on November 12, 2015, 11:21
Couple of interviews form Danish riders, both in Danish but only one where Google Translate can help.

First up an excellent article on the oldest man in Danish cycling Michael Reihs in Cykelmagasinet  (http://cykelmagasinet.dk/cults-alderspraesident-som-sidst-i-tyverne) on doing things the Cult way
He talks about his advanced years and retirement thoughts  ;)
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Never say, it is the last. But that is no lie when I say that I did not expect to be the next Jens Voigt. Very few people who can handle it. Although I recently was made ​​aware that I am the oldest current Danish rider in the field, so feel absolutely not the oldest. I feel like a late 20s, says Reihs laughing, adding cheerfully:
His own season highlights,
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I rode a good DM, and actually began to smell a DM jersey at the time..... Despite good legs were never Reihs' day in Randers. When Martin Mortensen dashed, he showed himself as the loyal teammate and gave his wheels at the expense of its own ambitions. 15th place at the Championships.

Amstel Gold Race and Liege Bastogne Liege is always special and was really cool to drive this year. It was flipping hard, but really fat. Another great moment was in Het Nieuwsblad, where I was part of the outbreak and was leading in the race.

His Cult highlights
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I remember Mads Pedersen's performance at '4 days of Dunkerque'. It was great, because everyone on the team backed up around him. It was really cool to see how he once again proved how he holds true world class.

Rasmus Guldhammer: - Guldhammer has blossomed tremendously up while he has been with us. I almost think that he has run the top 10 in all the years we've been in. It's incredibly impressive.
The merger
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It will be a new team with a new composition. Skelde is back in his old role as sports director, and I think it's good for the team and good for Michael himself. Now he can focus one hundred percent on the sporting and leave the administrative to others. I think this is really good.

Although the team includes a large internal age difference, the co-operation and belief in each other something that shines through the interim president: - We have a really good team and like to do things "Cult-way". We help each other and hills always hundred percent up on the projects. We will try and carry further the same style next year.
and finally 2016
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There has been some new in, but we'll try to teach them how we do things, he says and refers to the merger with the team's co-sponsor, Stölting Group, which has brought some young German talents in its wake. The newcomers forces has indisputably increased competition within the team, but Reihs' experience remains irreplaceable, and therefore change his role on the team itself does not: - My role will continue to be, to take care of the young and the new. It will be my task to bind the team together and make sure that we are running as Michael Skelde and I think we should run.

Next up is Feltet's interview with young sprinter Michael Carbel (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/hvad_er_michael_carbels_hoejeste_oenske/) (recently relocated from Luxembourg to Girona).

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2015 did not go quite as easy and successful as many had hoped. Learn about this and more in the interview with Michael Carbel below. Here you can also get an explanation of the cause, for he even began to cycle - and it is perhaps not exactly what we had expected - to hear what the World Tour team, he hopes to be running for.
Read more at http://feltet.dk/nyheder/hvad_er_michael_carbels_hoejeste_oenske/#UakfqE0DY4QCQgeU.99
The answers to this and more are to be found in the filmed portion of the interview.  It's about 20 mins long, takes place in a white room and they have him backed into a badly lit corner.  Other than that I can't help much more  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdedfwasRlk

Enjoy ...
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on November 24, 2015, 13:43
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/669148289648885760
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on November 24, 2015, 14:05
Press release (http://cultstoelting.com/news/) on brand new website

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CULT Energy – Stölting Group is looking forward to presenting the team’s approach, look, goals, lineup and race calendar at the team presentation at the end of January in Mallorca, Spain.
aww no slide at Cult HQ  :lol

Looks like the lineup is complete????
Would have liked more than 17 riders... particularly with at least two trying for Rio
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2016 Lineup
Michael Carbel Svendgaard (DEN)
Gerald Ciolek (GER)
Linus Gerdemann (GER)
Rasmus Guldhammer (DEN)
Lasse Norman Hansen (DEN)
Alexander Kamp (DEN)
Lennard Kämna (GER)
Alex Kirsch (LUX)
Thomas Koep (GER)
Romain Lemarchand (FRA)
Christian Mager (GER)
Mads Pedersen (DEN)
Rasmus Quaade (DEN)
Michael Reihs (DEN)
Sven Reutter (GER)
Jonas Tenbrock (GER)
Fabian Wegmann (GER)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on December 02, 2015, 07:14
Medie: CULT mangler lønkroner for november (Feltet.dk) (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/medie_cult_mangler_loenkroner_for_november/) (in *dk)

According to Ekstra Bladet, CULT Energy hasn't paid out wages for November.
The team's "economic director" René Thill[1] says that there'll be money coming in next week, and the wages will be paid then.
 1. who I've never heard of until now
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 02, 2015, 09:19
Medie: CULT mangler lønkroner for november (Feltet.dk) (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/medie_cult_mangler_loenkroner_for_november/) (in *dk)

According to Ekstra Bladet, CULT Energy hasn't paid out wages for November.
The team's "economic director" René Thill[1] says that there'll be money coming in next week, and the wages will be paid then.
 1. who I've never heard of until now

I was waiting for your take on this. I read it this morning with a sinking feeling. But was unsure if it was EB being all... well EB - and making a mountain out of a molehill when in fact this is just an admin error. Or if it was something symptomatic of the fact they can't get it together even with a new sponsor on board. It doesn't look good for them to be struggling with funding issues so early. At best get the admin sorted guys! At  worst... a long hard season awaits where once again money takes the focus away from the cycling. I hate that they are seem dogged with problems.  Hopefully a switch to German admin will help.

As for Mr Thrill (What a GREAT name).. no me neither, but he seems to go back a long way with the usual suspects.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 02, 2015, 13:25
Interview (http://www.worldcyclinglife.com/2015/12/02/kamps-next-move/) with Alexander Kamp...

Looks like his first objective is the Spring Season. Also looks like the team are confident of Oman invite (or they know and just waiting for the press release)
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Yes, I will be opening my season with Tour of Qatar and after Tour of Oman. That is going to be a really good motivation and training for me, to prepare for the races I have in March. It is always good to start the season with stage races, to prepare for the classic as well. I really think it will help me to the races that I have to put my focus into, a little bit longer into the spring season.

Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on December 04, 2015, 00:05
I was waiting for your take on this. I read it this morning with a sinking feeling. But was unsure if it was EB being all... well EB - and making a mountain out of a molehill when in fact this is just an admin error. Or if it was something symptomatic of the fact they can't get it together even with a new sponsor on board. It doesn't look good for them to be struggling with funding issues so early. At best get the admin sorted guys! At  worst... a long hard season awaits where once again money takes the focus away from the cycling. I hate that they are seem dogged with problems.  Hopefully a switch to German admin will help.
It's a common misconception (one that I shared in myself, see below) that the announcement of a new sponsor means the immediate influx of new cash to a team.
But until 1st January, CULT is on its own. And the team has had more than its fair share of trouble - from Weylandt selling snake-oil to the theft of a truckload of bikes.
When the merger was announced, I asked Luke Roberts if the race program would be extended now that the future was secured. He replied that the decision to stop racing after the Tour of Britain was made to ensure that everyone would be paid for the whole year - which in hindsight indicates that money was indeed very tight.

So it's not "struggling with funding issues so early"; it's instead "struggling with funding issues so late". We tend to forget it, with transfers announced and team camps going on, but it's still 2015. ;)

The letter to riders & staff appears to have said (like Thill is quoted) that those with lower wages would get 100% while those with higher wages might not get their whole wages paid. Therefore I think that EB has indeed made a mountain of a molehill.

And it's all academic anyway as CULT boss Brian Sørensen has stepped up and said he'll make sure everyone gets their money: CULT-boss vil betale rytternes løn (Feltet.dk) (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/cult-boss_vil_betale_rytternes_loen/) (in *dk)
Hats off to that. He doesn't have to do it, but he does.

As for Mr Thrill (What a GREAT name).. no me neither, but he seems to go back a long way with the usual suspects.
Thill, not Thrill. :P
Possibly (probably, even) related to the #differdange rider Tom Thill.
He hasn't been mentioned anywhere until now, which isn't the worst thing for a guy who's basically a fiduciary. And he'll be out of the whole thing in a month anyway.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 07, 2015, 13:43
https://twitter.com/Staghoj/status/673855702608289792

When the new Cult-Stolting announced their roster for 2016 was full, *se Gustav Larsson wasn't on the list.

The SVT link put through google translate explains that the Swede signed a one year contract with  #cult Cult for 2015 with an option for an additional year in 2016. He just needed to tell them if he wanted to exercise this option, which he did. Only to be told by the newly merged Cult-Stolting that they don't regard this as valid because the deal was not made with them, but the old team.

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The right to contract

Larsson himself says he has one year ago signed a contract with Danish Cult which is a plus one year. If only he announces the team in the time that he wants to use his second year, he is entitled to it. And he has done, he says.

But the next season, the team has been bought by German Team Stölting, and renamed. Larsson has during the autumn had difficulties to contact the new German team managers, but have been told by email that they do not see themselves forced to fulfill his contract when he wrote it with the old team and not the new.

Something that Larsson does not agree with and has taken it further.

- Of course it does not work that way. If a company buys another, they buy the also their liabilities, for example. You buy the whole package.

Larsson has now enabled the cyclists' association CPA, Cyclistes Professionnels Associés, which has taken over the communication.

- They're trying to get to a meeting and see if we can resolve it in some way, he says.

If you would have the right and you'll get your contract with the team, you would want to run a year for them?

- Yes, of course I do. I would love to.

I'm not up on the law, but the 'new' team did go through the process of resigning, and presumably renegotiating with the 2015 neo-pros who were mid way through their two year contract.  Not sure where the law lies and suspect there is a huge grey coloured area between what is required by law and what would be moral / right thing to do. We shall see.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on December 07, 2015, 13:50
tbh the more you hear about the way the team is run the more you want the team to go away
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 07, 2015, 14:20
tbh the more you hear about the way the team is run the more you want the team to go away

I know what you mean, I keep thinking it's teething troubles to do with the merger and it'll come out right... but the contract situation point to a harder line.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 09, 2015, 11:52
https://twitter.com/CULTStoelting/status/674554141377765376


Hmmm....
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The CULT is an invitation to press conference on future of CULTs with Stölting Cycling GmbH.     
Time: today d. 9. December kl. 15.00. Place: CULT HQ.

ADDED: seems this is an unexpected press call, as in none of the usual Danish journos know what to expect. Rumour mill in full drive and the general consensus seems to be negative rather than good news...
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on December 09, 2015, 11:55
https://twitter.com/CULTStoelting/status/674554141377765376


Hmmm....

Unkle Bajrne to be Manager I think
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 09, 2015, 12:18
 
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Unkle Bajrne to be Manager I think

Hah! never a Danish cycling rumour without Uncle B  :P

But I don't see it... what with the BIG rumour about new team etc etc etc etc
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on December 09, 2015, 14:21
Cult pull out sponsoring the team because they have lost faith in Stölting

this from the guys that could not cover wages and peeed off Gustav-Erik re 2016 contract seems a bit rich

Think I might have been correct earlier

They can go away now

Unkle Bjarne to save the team now ?
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Joelsim on December 09, 2015, 14:24
Cult pull out sponsoring the team because they have lost faith in Stölting

this from the guys that could not cover wages and peeed off Gustav-Erik re 2016 contract seems a bit rich

Think I might have been correct earlier

They can go away now

Unkle Bjarne to save the team now ?

Certainly looks that way.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on December 09, 2015, 14:43
https://twitter.com/veloropa/status/674599130405183488
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 09, 2015, 14:43
Cult pull out sponsoring the team because they have lost faith in Stölting

this from the guys that could not cover wages and peeed off Gustav-Erik re 2016 contract seems a bit rich

Think I might have been correct earlier

They can go away now

Unkle Bjarne to save the team now ?

Not quite accurate, in that it was the new team (Cult-Stolting... under their new management) that peeed of Gustav and probably a whole load of other people. It was non payment of transferred assets from the old Cult team to the new merged one... that caused the financial trouble... seems  unfair to blame Brian from Cult for that given he stepped in to make up the shortfall.

And yes they will in fact go away now I suspect, though that has yet to be confirmed. If Stolting have no money for a partnership then they're unlikely to have any without.  And the going away will take the livelihood of all their staff.

Whether Uncle B steps in or not.. it's not going to save them this season I suspect... and for that I am sad. 
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 09, 2015, 14:44
https://twitter.com/veloropa/status/674599130405183488

Hmmm.... I shall not hold my breath
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 09, 2015, 15:34
First press reports....

Feltet  (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/cult_stopper_sponsorat/#dFodWObBuE6HVkJK.97)

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auto-translate
CULT announced today at a press conference that they stop their sponsorship of the CULT Energy Stölting Group with immediate effect.
CULT Energy Pro Cycling

Denmark's cycling team, Cult Energy Pro Cycling, which has merged with Team Stölting to become CULT Energy Stölting Group, lose their main sponsor for three years, has CULT just announced at a press conference.
 
Energy company has experienced a large breach of contract from Stölting Groups page, when the German company did not deliver the payments that they have undertaken since September, and CULT has terminated cooperation with Stölting of today. It announced CULT-owner Brian Sørensen Germans just three hours ago.
 
"We are saddened by what happened today. We members have struggled for it, but we will not put my name to Stölting when they can not keep appointments," says Brian Sorensen Feltet.dk
 
"Confidence Unfortunately away. CULT can not have a close cooperation with a company whose morality is not consistent with our values. As a consequence, we have per. Today decided to terminate our sponsorship," it said. Brian Sørensen while guaranteeing the riders get paid the rest of 2015, but the Danish company will not sponsor any of the 2016th
 
Stölting should have taken payments from the former owner company Lion Cycling, but it has not done, and therefore CULT purchase all the stock from Lion Cycling, guaranteed pay and stop our cooperation with Stölting. Brian Sørensen does not rule out that at some point they will return. Where that leaves the team, he does not know as it is only three hours ago, they announced Stölting that they would leave things around.
 
"I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will have no impact on the Danish cycling. Michael Skelde contracted at. 1st January with Stölting so that it still applies. I do not think there is anything that prevents the team continues on Danish license . I do not know if they will or can turn it into German license, "he concludes.

Read more at http://feltet.dk/nyheder/cult_stopper_sponsorat/#S6ZSfHOKzFwxXkJC.99

Cult have purchased the assets form Lion Cycling, will guarantee wages to end of 2015... but all future co-operation on the three year deal (2016 - 2018) cease now.  Stolting looking for a new partner, will try and continue 2016... but the story moves fast.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on December 09, 2015, 17:22
https://twitter.com/euroschulle/status/674618476745662464

Stölting saying they have down what they were meant too

tius going to get ugly
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on December 09, 2015, 21:49
I'll withhold my opinion/comment/judgment until the dust has settled and things are a bit clearer.

All I'll say for now is: What a mess. :(
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 09, 2015, 22:46
I'll withhold my opinion/comment/judgment until the dust has settled and things are a bit clearer.

All I'll say for now is: What a mess. :(

It all happened so fast, and of course the Cult announcement meant the DK press were first off the mark, and Stolting have to have time to react. It's a mess as you say, and I'm sad for the staff caught up in this whirlwind.

In a way it really doesn't matter who said or did what, and when... The fact remains that even if a solution is found and the riders race which I hope happens),  the team that grabbed my attention and the leaders jersey at PDR all those years ago is gone, and with it a little part of my hopes for DK cycling ...  and that makes me sad too
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on December 14, 2015, 08:30
https://twitter.com/MogensenSteffen/status/676317940824805377
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on December 14, 2015, 11:28
Well, that is unexpected.
I hope the Germans know what they're doing. :S
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on December 14, 2015, 11:52
Danish cycling is getting a right kicking, many of the younger stars may end up sitting out the year the way things are going
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 14, 2015, 14:37
Danish cycling is getting a right kicking, many of the younger stars may end up sitting out the year the way things are going

Yes it is, yes they might, and I could cry...
We have Lasse Norman quoted as saying he feels cheated, and I can't say I blame him.  What are any of them to do at this time of year... Danes and Germans alike. Guess we'll have to wait until Weds (I think that's the day Stolting said they would make an announcement) to see what the plan is: Pro-conti, Conti or nothing...
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Leadbelly on December 15, 2015, 22:26
http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/cult-ryttere-reddet-team-stolting-fortsaetter/5873221

Press conference tomorrow morning to confirm it (or not, as the case may be).
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 16, 2015, 09:46
Stolting to go it alone as Pro Conti
http://www.team-stoelting.de/news/pressemitteilungen/2015-12-16-deutschland-hat-ein-neues-profi-radsportteam (http://www.team-stoelting.de/news/pressemitteilungen/2015-12-16-deutschland-hat-ein-neues-profi-radsportteam)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on December 17, 2015, 13:01
It has been a most strange December for this set-up.

For what it's worth, the dust appears to have settled, and the team continues as a ProConti team in 2016.
However, it will be as Stölting Service Group after CULT Energy pulled out of their sponsorship contract.

Both sides claim they've been the "good guys" - for the moment, it's CULT's word against that of Stölting Cycling (the team management, not the sponsor). It's hard to say who's telling the truth ... and I expect it will be some time until the truth does come out.

So, even though the era of #cult CULT Energy Pro Cycling & Skelde Cycling is effectively over, there'll still be stuff to report on.

For the new ProConti team, I've started a new thread: Stölting Cycling (http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=7681.0)
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: just some guy on December 21, 2015, 13:59
https://twitter.com/DennisPraest/status/678937262458052609

put here rather the pollute the other thread
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 21, 2015, 14:06
https://twitter.com/DennisPraest/status/678937262458052609

put here rather the pollute the other thread

More here from TV2 (http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/krimi/2015-12-21-cult-direktoer-faar-skattesmaek-paa-95-millioner-afsloeret-af-el-regning)

Tax evasion caught up with him ... well that all makes sense now... in a bad, terrible way.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on December 21, 2015, 22:18
Tax evasion caught up with him ... well that all makes sense now... in a bad, terrible way.
Nightclubs, energy drinks, alcopops - it was too good to be true.

Strange how so many Danish businessmen who chose to involve themselves in sports go down the drain though: First Kasi-Jesper and his handball investments, now CULT-Brian and the cycling team ... :(
Where are the good, old reliable businesspeople who deal fairly and openly?[1] :Sleepy:
 1. Did they ever exist?
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 22, 2015, 12:18
Nightclubs, energy drinks, alcopops - it was too good to be true.

Strange how so many Danish businessmen who chose to involve themselves in sports go down the drain though: First Kasi-Jesper and his handball investments, now CULT-Brian and the cycling team ... :(
Where are the good, old reliable businesspeople who deal fairly and openly?[1] :Sleepy:
 1. Did they ever exist?


I don't know Lukas to be honest. I'm sure they exist, though I fail right now to find an example other than at a grass roots level. But for all the mess it ended in... and yes It was a HUGE stinking pile, there were still years where it worked and worked well.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: Not My Circus on December 22, 2015, 12:25
Hadn't thought about this side of things...

DCU lose 60,000 kroner as company teams switching from Danish into German license. (http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE2984784/sponsors-farvel-giver-union-smerteligt-tab/)

Also it appears from this article that in exchange for a decrease in salaries the riders have been allowed to leave the contract open for a while... meaning they can look at other offers. At least one has chosen this option.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on December 22, 2015, 13:00
Also it appears from this article that in exchange for a decrease in salaries the riders have been allowed to leave the contract open for a while... meaning they can look at other offers. At least one has chosen this option.
Mads P says that if an interesting offer comes along, he doesn't rule out signing elsewhere, yes. But I think that's rather academical.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on January 22, 2016, 21:08
Good news:
http://feltet.dk/nyheder/skelde_kommer_tilbage_-_fra_2017/ (http://feltet.dk/nyheder/skelde_kommer_tilbage_-_fra_2017/) (in *dk)

Michael Skelde has started to lay the bricks for a new cycling team, to start racing in 2017. :cool

No indication of the level of the team yet.
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: P. on February 17, 2016, 16:41
So Cult is back in Cycling with Cult Energy Vital Water.
At least it is a bit surprising. Aren't there still the court procedures against Stötlting and the tax problems in danmark? I think they should wait untill this problems are solved.
 And what does it mean for the Team Stölting? Think the riders are not amused that they had to give up big parts of their wages and now Cult invests money in another team
Title: Re: The CULT ... of Stölting!
Post by: LukasCPH on February 17, 2016, 18:58
Aren't there still the court procedures against Stölting and the tax problems in danmark? I think they should wait untill this problems are solved.
The tax problems were about the private wealth of the founder and CEO of the company, Brian Sørensen. As far as I know, he had to pay a fine - that was published in December -, but that was the end of that.
All that said, Brian was very involved in the sponsorship and relations with the team, and it's not impossible that at least some of the money came not from team accounts, but his own pocket.
No idea about the possible court case from Stölting Cycling (the team management company).

And what does it mean for the Team Stölting? Think the riders are not amused that they had to give up big parts of their wages and now Cult invests money in another team
Wegmann certainly isn't happy!
https://twitter.com/FabianWegmann/status/699683640075251712