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Professional Cycling => Women's Road Cycling => Topic started by: Dim on October 24, 2014, 15:11

Title: The Womens Hour
Post by: Dim on October 24, 2014, 15:11
This turned into quite a debate on twitter, to catch up check @festinagirl @_Pigeons and myself.

Some against it saying it doesnt have the prestige, others arguing that with the hype around the hour at the moment it would be an excellent chance of promotion for the womens side of the sport..

the uci records:
46.065 km/h Leontien Zijlaard-Van Moorsel (NED), 1 October 2003
45.094 km/h Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli (FRA), December 2000
44.767 km/h Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli (FRA), November 2000
43.501 km/h Anna Wilson-Millward (AUS), October 2000

we shall ignore the best human effort that Longo holds..

The question is, should the girls go for it and bring back some prestige...

And then Who???

Kathryne Bertine has already said she would get the ball rolling although not sure if she is serious.. Someone else has suggested Rebecca Romero who would be perfect, semi retired so has the time to focus on it, backing of british cycling, and multi talented..

Vos.. for me, vos doing it would kill it, nobody would ever beat her :D
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: LukasCPH on October 24, 2014, 15:16
Voske should do it as retirement event, like Jens did.
Leave the others in with their chance for now, and then smash it completely in her last outing as a pro.

Bertine is doing good stuff to get women's cycling into the public eye.
Although she's not the most talented rider (and she herself would be the first to confirm that), under the new rules she should have a realistic chance. And if it's sets off a number of attempts from others, all the better.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Dim on October 24, 2014, 17:45
I think thats the thing. Some have said the hour has no prestige for the women, and it would interupt their season to focus on it, and be  a distraction, but i view it more as, everyone is talking about the hour right now, its a bit of a hot topic, and from a promotion point of view, a few women going for the hour will get column inches on the cycling news sites, probably more so than some of the races.

Interesting the UCI have pretty much ignored it, even cookson has harped on about to do the hour you will have to be in the passport which completely ignores the fact that the Women arent in the pasport.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on October 25, 2014, 07:43
While the twitter thing popped up on my timeline, didn't get involved.

Vos do not think she would kill it, so many other riders with better ITT

Carmen Small would spring to mind

Linda Villumsen

Ellen Van dyke

I would even put money on Bridie ODonnell

might ask her on twitter  :D
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: riding too slowly on October 25, 2014, 10:13
On the plus side, things like jumping the furthest or highest, running the fastest over 100m 400m are "pure".  They are the ultimate in athletic endeavour.   There are no tactics; you run in separate lanes from your rivals; it is just you against the watch.  It is not 5 of you fighting to get a good run at the bar. 

It is the same with the hour record.

Sadly pharma aids and national politics have ruined these events.  Flo Jo's exploits, born of the Moscow/Los Angeles low points have cast a long shadow over women's short distance events, with no recovery on the horizon.  The current Bolt fiasco, where one athlete is protected by an administration riding the gravy train, whilst his rivals around him, doing exactly what he is doing are repeatedly pinged, is going to leave men's sprint events in an identical hole.  That hole is, in an event with so little to commentate about, apart from absolutes, it becomes tragically and permanently flawed if the absolute is distorted.  Every Women's Olympic 100m final has the time flash up as they cross the line, together with Flo Jo's World record.  Third rate - what is to talk about, let's move on ?  As one poster on the Guardian Hour article so eloquently put it, this article is all about people who broke the record, is there a story to tell about those who tried and failed?  Well of course there is, but it is not newsworthy and will never be told.   That is the problem where the event is only a measure against an absolute standard.

The hour record has already been similarly savaged.  Remember all the Tony Romminger or Moser taking it, hype.  At the time it was hard not to view it as a joke.  Obree was a small gulp of air taken by the head as it broke the surface, but death by drowning was the ultimate fate of this entertainment.

We have seen various attempts by the UCI to change rules to try and resuscitate the corpse.    Behind the current wave are the new press pack, finding out about Boardman, the pundit expert voice of cycling, for so many  for the first time.  Match their desire to hide from a truth they do not want to contemplate with Cookson and his "schoolboy" enthusiasm to ensure he never looks too closely at his heroes to see what is in their "wash bag".  Suiting both would be a renascence of this discipline. A fresh coat of paint over a very dirty house.  Sanitise the exploits of the dopers of the past with the deeds of the new "clean riders" of the present.  Look - Jens rode clean and now he has taken the hour record.  "Shut up legs".  Just go and look at the comments section of the Guardian article to see ignorance in all its splendid glory. 

Track and Field has life support locked in place courtesy of the mechanics of the Olympics. 

The sport of Cycling is in a different league from these "pure" events that at heart, have little to interest the fan who relishes a sporting drama.  I don't mean the little disciplines that are the winter training extracts from the whole, the sprint, the  pursuit, the team pursuit, the motor pace ( crickey a World Championship  at being the best skiver sitting behind somebody else ?  It used to happen !  Who else can remember the sound of the big bikes at Saffron Lane for the Amateur and Pro Motor paces World Champs – yes it was so good they had two World titles !) I do mean road racing.  Race radios did huge damage to the sport, but what else has so many factors at play all in a dynamic with so many possible permutations to be computed at one time.  A change in direction on route to a straight road with few hedges and a wind from 3/4 ahead.  No time for a lone break.

One of the great features is that the race is the race on the day, with the conditions of the day,  times are really irrelevant.  To be a great race, there have to be many features. Of course that so many of our new lovers of the sport cannot recognise this was best witnessed at the outpouring of eulogies to Brad's 2012 Tour win.  The race was one of the most boring in the past 50 years.  But move some distance away and take another look.

The hour record is something that is wholly bad for the sport.  Fundamentally it is a list of glory seeking dopers who are never satisfied with the amount they have already stolen from others - male and female.  For those who have taken it in my lifetime - nailing my own colours to the mast - I will make a single exception - Obree - technically advantage, thinking outside the box giving him enough to make good the pharma difference.   

Women competing in road cycling have less financial incentive than men and therefore a crude hypotheses might be that doping is less prevalent in women's cycling, a generalism I would endorse. 

Trumpeting an hour record is pointing the way to a  dark path that would throw away a current advantage.  Were Bolt to waltz off into the sunset with his swag bag and name in the record books, without ever being exposed, see where all that "glory" would leave men's track and field in 15 year's time.

An hour record, regardless of bike, should be nothing anyone who wants a clean sport should support, I would rather see a resurrection of the motor pace World Champs than that.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on October 31, 2014, 09:36
Bridie said never thought of it until suggested by others

https://twitter.com/FemininMagazine/status/528097926166622208
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: L'arri on October 31, 2014, 09:51
If there is a question of lack of prestige, then I would remind those who say so that prestige is equivalent to reputation. And reputation must be earned and maintained.

So it follows that a lack of competition for the Women's Hour Record guarantees a lack of prestige.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on November 02, 2014, 08:53
The Revolution track series is trying to get a women hour record attempt,  short notice I guess

but they have the track , live audience and TV ready to go.

they are now looking at riders.

A twitter list was given to them, while some if use were arguing/discussing with pigeons,  they asked us or Ant to be 100% true.

Ellen van Dyke favoured a tweet, see where it ends

said tweet

https://twitter.com/cycling_jsg/status/528119192776478720
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on December 09, 2014, 16:47
https://twitter.com/cyclingweekly/status/542338851218677760
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on December 16, 2014, 14:35
https://twitter.com/DameSarahStorey/status/544860080852987904
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on December 21, 2014, 17:43
https://twitter.com/BicyclingMag/status/546712726681055232

Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 19, 2015, 12:42
https://twitter.com/donaldgmcrae/status/557155063219892224
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on February 15, 2015, 07:19
https://twitter.com/cyclingtips/status/566856980497969152
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 16, 2015, 00:23
First of all, do we really a different thread for the men and women's Hour record?

I understand that we have different sub-forums, but it is the essence of the Hour record that has sparked my interest recently, and really nothing to do with the gender of the rider. I find the pursuit of the record interesting for its own reasons (as I've outlined the Men's thread) as the final winning time of any rider is completely irrelevant to me. Personally, I find discussing the Women's Hour much less interesting than simply discussing the Hour record itself. But that's all I've to say on the matter for now.

RE: Sarah Storey: Chasing place in history with UCI hour record (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/02/sarah-storey-interview-chasing-a-slot-in-history-with-womens-uci-hour-record/)

I understand that Shane is trying valiantly to increase interest in the Hour, but are these statements, in the opening of that article, really true?

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In terms of concept, it’s one of the most simple in sport. In terms of effort, it’s one of the most brutal.
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Riders have to go deeper than at any other point in their careers.
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Breaking the record is huge for a career, but keeping it? That’s even better.

Those sentiments seem to be an extension of Merckx's oft-quoted recounting of his own attempt, but do they still apply to the efforts we've seen recently? Regarding the first two statements: I've yet to see any signs that the current attempts at the Hour are imposing the sort of suffering upon the riders that would even come close to what so many of them must endure when confronting the harsher elements of nature. As far as the third statement, is there any evidence to back that up? The whole thing has been reset as of late, so we don't really know what it will mean, if anything, to "keep" the record. Only the passage of time will determine if anyone really cares if Wiggo or someone similar sets an enduring record. I've yet to be convinced that it will leave us with anything much more than just a curiosity.

I've now just realized that everything that article begins with, and everything I've been commenting on, has nothing, whatsoever, to do with "Women's" cycling. It seems silly for this post not to be a part of the Men's Hour Record thread (and I have no intention of duplicating there).

Btw, I'm not in a bad mood, so I hope this post doesn't come off as suggesting that. I'm just sharing some thoughts.  :)
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 16, 2015, 00:31
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Note: The UCI confirmed to CyclingTips on Friday that viewers around the world will be able to watch the bid live on Saturday, February 28th.

“The UCI supports Sarah Storey’s attempt,” spokesman Louis Chenaille told CyclingTips on Friday. “Brian Cookson will be attending. We will be paying in full the TV production and we will broadcast the attempt live on the UCI Youtube channel.

I support that.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on February 16, 2015, 17:28
https://twitter.com/RevolutionUK/status/567361406132318208
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Joelsim on February 16, 2015, 17:38
Frankly I think it's an excellent idea, but they need to get 3 or 4 of the top riders to do it to generate some chatter as there is in the men's.

What about someone like Laura Trott? At the very least it would spark some major publicity which could only be good.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Servais Knavendish on February 16, 2015, 18:44
 Def need someone other than Storey to step up, I fear her "record" will be sub Jens in quality, and without any, and I really mean any of the charm.  Plus the UK news channels will be full of her non story for days... pah! :angry

Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on February 17, 2015, 17:05
http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/12040/9719125/joanna-rowsell-interested-in-world-hour-record-attempt
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: riding too slowly on February 19, 2015, 10:30
I did not find the article by Shane Stokes but the one by Donald McRae was everything I was warning about earlier.  Merckx on a pedestal for a dope fueled ride, with not a scintilla of caution put into the tale; ridiculous statements about the physical effort of the hour and as drummer boy pointed out, unrealistic statements about the "fame" and place in history it brings.   
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on February 26, 2015, 21:04
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/02/history-of-the-womens-hour-record-sarah-storey-battling-to-join-the-greats-of-the-sport/
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 28, 2015, 16:14
An epic effort but Sarah Storey came up just a bit short of the record.

45.502Km

There was a nice discussion in the General Race Livechat.  :P

She put a serious hurt on herself though. Really shattered at the conclusion. Couldn't stand, couldn't walk, even slid out of her chair.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 28, 2015, 16:50
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/03/storey-clocks-up-45-502-kilometres-in-hour-record-bid-finishes-563-metres-adrift-of-van-moorsels-record/ (http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/03/storey-clocks-up-45-502-kilometres-in-hour-record-bid-finishes-563-metres-adrift-of-van-moorsels-record/)

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“It was definitely the hardest hour of my life. In the first half hour you are thinking ‘oh my goodness, I haven’t done 30 minutes yet.’ It was really tough.”
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: LukasCPH on February 28, 2015, 20:47
So, is Storey, for whatever reason, re-spouting the Merckxian Kool-Aid - or are all male Hour Attempters somehow super-human?!
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 28, 2015, 22:10
So, is Storey, for whatever reason, re-spouting the Merckxian Kool-Aid - or are all male Hour Attempters somehow super-human?!
Dunno, but watching it live, she was in a world of hurt at the end. She could barely move at all. Needed help just to walk, and then couldn't even stay seated in a chair. She appeared to be in muscle-cramp hell.

To answer your question as best I can, it would seem that either she wasn't as prepared for her outing as the men, or she simply pushed herself harder than they did. Judging by the breakdown of her effort—which showed the she actually increased her pace towards the end, in the hope of making up a deficit—I would say it is the latter of the two scenarios.

I mean, does this victorious image of Rohan Dennis look like that of a man who pushed himself to his absolute Merckxian-limit?
(http://www.nbcsports.com/files/nbcsports/styles/hero-image-full/public/150209-rohan-dennis-1000.jpg?itok=8lVQ-0iy)

Compare that to this image of Sarah Storey after her attempt.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/81310000/jpg/_81310554_storey_cramp.jpg)

I think maybe she's just tougher than the fellas, and pushed herself harder.  :)
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: froome19 on February 28, 2015, 22:49
Considering her career trajectory and general story that definitely would make sense DB.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: LukasCPH on February 28, 2015, 22:50
I think maybe she's just tougher than the fellas, and pushed herself harder.  :)
Ah, that's an option I didn't think about: Storey is hard as nails, and Voigt, Brändle, Dennis etc. were basically just going 80%. :P

With that in mind, I'm really looking forward to Quaade's Hour. He's one that never does things at less than 110%, and could really turn some heads. Especially if he goes before Wiggins, and The Greatest British Cyclist Of All TimesTM then fails to beat this Danish neo-pro's mark. :D
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 28, 2015, 23:14
This is something that deserves to posted both here and in the men's thread (and another example of why I'd like the two threads to merge) but can someone explain to me just why-in-the-hell they schedule these Hour attempts to coincide with other races? 
:angry

This isn't the first time that the conclusion of an Hour attempt has been nearly identical to that of another calendar event. It's not like the UCI doesn't know how long the Hour will last, or when it should start and stop. Strike that. Based on the Mexican timing debacle, perhaps clocks are indeed as elusive as calendars when it comes to the UCI main office.

I mean, FFS, it's just so inexcusable if they're seriously trying to grow interest in the Hour, and it's so completely within their grasp to make it right. If they want to schedule these things on the same day, then great! All the better for all parities involved. If done with even the slightest bit of foresight, each event could fuel the other with increased viewing.

But no. They force the already extremely limited audience of cycling fans to chose between the two. :fp

Should such things really be so difficult to effectively coordinate?
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Servais Knavendish on March 01, 2015, 23:12
I think DSS whom I have already admitted to being less than a fan of ( though full respect for the effort) took the sponsors nickle and aligned the event with the revolution series, for an event that was set to be adjacent to Alex D's tilt.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 01, 2015, 23:19
...aligned the event with the revolution series, for an event that was set to be adjacent to Alex D's tilt.
I'm going to request a translation here, because I've honestly know idea what that means.  :S
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 01, 2015, 23:29
I'm going to request a translation here, because I've honestly know idea what that means.  :S

The Revolution Series is a series of track racing meetings, which were at the London Velodrome on Friday evening and two sessions on Saturday, already scheduled before Sarah Storey and Alex Dowsett (hence Alex D) scheduled their hour record attempts on Saturday afternoon and Friday evening respectively.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 01, 2015, 23:45
The Revolution Series is a series of track racing meetings, which were at the London Velodrome on Friday evening and two sessions on Saturday, already scheduled before Sarah Storey and Alex Dowsett (hence Alex D) scheduled their hour record attempts on Saturday afternoon and Friday evening respectively.
Thanks. That explains a few things.  :)

I had already forgotten that Dowsett had been forced to reschedule from that date.

But I still don't see why these events couldn't be planned for later in the day, so as not to directly conflict with other races. Especially at this time of year, when finishing times of those races can be reasonably estimated. On two occasions now, we've had an Hour attempt align almost perfectly with the final 20 to 30km of another race. When it's that close, surely they could just wait for one to finish?
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 02, 2015, 07:18
There was already a 5 1/2 hour long evening event planned on Saturday (http://www.cyclingrevolution.com/round-5/race-programme.html), tickets probably sold before Storey announced her attempt.  Later time incompatible with that.  They could, I suppose, have had her event as the last part of the afternoon programme, but I don't know if riders in the later events needed the recovery time.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on March 02, 2015, 07:21
Thanks. That explains a few things.  :)

I had already forgotten that Dowsett had been forced to reschedule from that date.

But I still don't see why these events couldn't be planned for later in the day, so as not to directly conflict with other races. Especially at this time of year, when finishing times of those races can be reasonably estimated. On two occasions now, we've had an Hour attempt align almost perfectly with the final 20 to 30km of another race. When it's that close, surely they could just wait for one to finish?

Agree DB and most do

But I think alot of Womens cycling people just think Like the voice that spoke To costner

If you build they will come - complete lack of forward thinking and planning -  I would have timed the last 45 min to come direct after Omloop - the perfect lead in.

Event finishes and hang on more cycling ok will watch

Hmm the Hour


hmm a girl

ok this is cool

flip look at the hurt she put on herself


hmmm wonder what happened at the womens Omloop .... wow sounds like a good race those 2 Dutch girls really road well, who is this Anna Girl again, hmmmGoogle  hmm that´s right she was the one who smashed herself for Vos at Worlds a few years ago, remember that

Better watch some more womens stuff these girls are great old school lay down the hurt cycling , ok who should I follow on twitter

a new fan of womens cycling


or something like that....

Now we get the UCI, look we had more womens cycling on TV ( BBC red for those in GB only , on in the middle of the day mind and on Youtube )

Doesn´t matter the highlights are so boring and the main commentator only knows how to pronounce name of the low land riders and that is it , not a thing more

If we build it that will come

Nope - people need to start thinking and put their brains in gear   
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Servais Knavendish on March 02, 2015, 10:26
Sorry - I just meany that the UCI weren't to blame - Dowsett and Storey were both added as extra attractions around the pre-planned London Revolution track meet - I guess it made sense in that context for them (personally and financially) regardless of clashes with other events.  So in this instance no black mark for UCI

Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 02, 2015, 22:17
So in this instance no black mark for UCI
I'm far from an anti-Cookson crusader, but I'm not willing to let him off the hook quite so easily. He is the one who was so gleefully celebrating the return of the Hour, and encouraging others (both fans and riders)  to embrace it. If wide-spread support of these attempts is what he is hoping for, then they, the UCI, need to approach it more intelligently.

I will humbly submit than I am the perfect audience member for this. Only a short time ago I considered the whole thing to be somewhat of a farce, and hardly worthy of anyone's attention. But I've been converted. The Hour has its own inherent qualities that I fully support at the moment. But if they make it increasingly difficult for even someone like me to follow, then I've no idea just who they think is going to embrace this in terms of the potential audience.

The Hour Record transcends track cycling, and has the potential to attract a much larger audience than track cycling ever will. The flip side of that, is that drawing attention to the Hour will inevitably, if even slightly, attract new fans to the world of the velodrome. If executed correctly, it could, and should, be a win-win for both sides of the sport—road and track. Does any other event have the potential to bridge the two?

With that in mind, I would suggest that the UCI proceed down this path with the utmost care and attention to detail.

@BrianCooksonUCI #UCIHourRecord
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 02, 2015, 22:33
One more point to add...

Time is of the essence. The UCI needs to embrace a sense of urgency when it comes to getting this right. The live coverage needs to be consistent, and of the highest quality; the timing of the event needs to be sensible in terms of attracting the highest possible number of viewers; and the god damn clocks need to be working.  :angry

There are three main components to a successful Hour attempt:
A cyclist
A velodrome
A clock

That's pretty much it. It's not rocket science, or even cycling science. Two out of three is not going to cut it for this particular endeavor.

But why the sense of urgency? Because once the record is convincingly shattered, it will be quite a feat to generate much interest at all unless another, very serious, contender steps up to the stage. The time is now to successfully generate interest in the Hour, and to reap the potential benefits that any such interest may provide.

The clock is ticking...
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on August 13, 2015, 09:31
https://twitter.com/UCIWomenCycling/status/631177266182135808

next attempt
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: riding too slowly on September 13, 2015, 16:38
And she takes it.


http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/09/news/molly-shaffer-van-houweling-breaks-uci-hour-record_384707

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_Shaffer_Van_Houweling

nearly 43 years old.

Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on November 04, 2015, 11:17
https://twitter.com/BicyclingAust/status/661720508459708416

https://twitter.com/_pigeons_/status/661864603320770561
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on December 14, 2015, 20:32
https://twitter.com/cervelo/status/676433912541945857
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 08, 2016, 16:08
https://twitter.com/UCIWomenCycling/status/685489738262966272
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 19, 2016, 10:55
https://twitter.com/Bridie_OD/status/689320748196868100
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 20, 2016, 16:14
https://twitter.com/ellacyclingtips/status/689841110227763202
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 22, 2016, 10:56
46.882 km for Bridie :win

https://twitter.com/ftp_training/status/690486357513367552
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 22, 2016, 11:21
https://twitter.com/CyclingAus/status/690492738458943488
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 22, 2016, 11:24
https://twitter.com/procycletrumps/status/690494757609574401

 :cool
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 22, 2016, 11:24
Hoisting her bike, smiling and walking around immediately afterward. Not the soul-destroying image that the Hour is so often associated with, but certainly an impressive ride.

So who was it that she was calling out as "a jerk" in her post-ride interview? Someone who said she would "never be anything useful."


I must confess, until I heard the live announcers, I had always read her name as "Birdie."  :-x  :D
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 24, 2016, 15:20
Having know of Bridie for I don´t know 10 years or more this write is really odd

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/01/bridie-odonnell-takes-uci-world-hour-record-with-46-882-kilometres/

seems someone Googled a little and went from there with the background
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: LukasCPH on January 24, 2016, 16:47
Having know of Bridie for I don´t know 10 years or more this write is really odd

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/01/bridie-odonnell-takes-uci-world-hour-record-with-46-882-kilometres/

seems someone Googled a little and went from there with the background
I don't know much about Bridie ... can you point out what you find odd?
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 24, 2016, 16:53
I don't know much about Bridie ... can you point out what you find odd?

Just the focus on the Dr part she came to Europe for a while to race is a hard arse
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: LukasCPH on January 24, 2016, 18:58
Just the focus on the Dr part she came to Europe for a while to race is a hard arse
Yes, I did find it a bit weird that everyone focuses on her profession and treats her cycling career almost as an afterthought.
There was a similar article from DR Sporten (or TV2) with the title "Clean cut: Surgeon beats women's hour record".

She rode for teams in Europe for a couple of years. Granted, it's a while back - but she did place 7th in the Chrono des Nations in 2013, so less than 2.5 years ago, is still in the top of the Aussie ITT champs (at 40+ years of age, and while also working as a doctor!) and not far from the 'pro' women.

Putting so much focus on her being a doctor devalues the Women's Hour, in a way: "Some 41-year old Aussie doctor beat the current record, can't have been that hard." That completely misses the fact that she could be competitive in a TT (such as Rio) if she were considered for selection ... and, yes, is also a doctor.

Nobody would ever write a headline like "Economics PhD[1] places 7th in Tour Down Under" or, back in 2013, "37-year old engineer[2] Italian ITT champion".
Value the feat of Bridie O'Donnell (and any other cyclist, male or female) for its athletic performance. If the rider in question also happens to have a 'real' education and possibly even works in the field next to their cycling career - all the better.


Bridie didn't get the Hour Record because she's a surgeon - she did it because she trained her ass off, every day, for many, many months beforehand, and gave it her all on the day that mattered. And all that while working as a surgeon.

Go Bridie, more power to you. :pray
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Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: LID on January 24, 2016, 19:25
Well, as far as I am concerned that makes her achievement even more valuable. It is up to the others to prove the final result isn't that impressive by beating it.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: LukasCPH on January 24, 2016, 19:30
Well, as far as I am concerned that makes her achievement even more valuable. It is up to the others to prove the final result isn't that impressive by beating it.
Oh, of course, no doubt about that.

But some headlines make it look as if "some doctor" just waltzed into the velodrome with her bike and beat the women's hour record - when nothing could be further from the truth.


And welcome to Velorooms! :welcome
Take a look around; and if you want to, you can introduce yourself in more detail here (http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=26.0).
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 29, 2016, 15:04
Ellen van Dijk has just told Ella that she is looking at the hour later in 2016


:win
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on January 29, 2016, 15:09
And Evie Stevens mentioned it as well

:win :win
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 30, 2016, 02:48
And Evie Stevens mentioned it as well
She is, by far, one of the most interesting people to me in all of cycling. I've always  found her story to be so intriguing.

The Hour? That would be fun to follow if she does take it on.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on January 30, 2016, 08:04
One thing that interests me is that the record is starting to nudge towards the 30 mile mark.

Perhaps if there were some clever marketing people who could come up with a clever slogan and make it into a bit of a competition to see who could be the first to break the 30 mile barrier and with some of those now showing interest it looks like that barrier would be broken soon.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: LukasCPH on January 30, 2016, 16:52
Perhaps if there were some clever marketing people who could come up with a clever slogan
Dude, this is cycling you're talking about. :P
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 08, 2016, 17:35
Game on!  :cool
 
And much sooner than I had expected.

USA Cycling confirms Evelyn Stevens to take on world hour record (http://cyclingtips.com/2016/02/usa-cycling-confirms-evelyn-stevens-to-take-on-world-hour-record/)

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The 32-year-old American will make the attempt on February 27 in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
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Stevens’ coach, Neal Henderson, told Ella CyclingTips that in her hour record attempt, Stevens aims to not only break the 46.882 kilometres mark set by O’Donnell but also target the all-time distance record, which was set by Jeannie Longo in 1996 using the now banned “Superman” position. Longo’s record stands at 48.159 kilometer

Stevens’ attempt will take place on February 27th and we will host the live stream of the attempt right here (http://cyclingtips.com/ella/) on Ella.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3SW92Hk5yE
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 29, 2016, 18:28
Sooooo....no one bothered to post here since she did it? :slow

Ok then.  :)

Stevens sets new hour record mark, misses Longo’s all-time record (http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/02/news/stevens-sets-new-hour-record-mark-misses-longos-all-time-record_396687)

(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2016/02/StevensHourRecord022716008-661x440.jpg)

(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2016/02/StevensHourRecord022716021-661x440.jpg)

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Evelyn Stevens rode 47.980km in a near perfect hour under the dome in Colorado Springs to topple Bridie O’Donnell’s current women’s world hour record by over a kilometer.

The two-time U.S. national time trial champion missed the all-time mark set by Jeannie Longo in 1996, who used “superman” position, by less than 200 meters, but now holds the official UCI hour record.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: just some guy on February 29, 2016, 19:02
Sooooo....no one bothered to post here since she did it? :slow

Ok then.  :)

Stevens sets new hour record mark, misses Longo’s all-time record (http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/02/news/stevens-sets-new-hour-record-mark-misses-longos-all-time-record_396687)

(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2016/02/StevensHourRecord022716008-661x440.jpg)

(http://cdn.velonews.competitor.com/files/2016/02/StevensHourRecord022716021-661x440.jpg)
I was waiting for you.  Slack arse :lol
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: riding too slowly on April 01, 2017, 12:20
At long last, given the huge plume of dense smoke rising from 4 time TdF winners BC/Sky that is now visible to even those wearing rose-tinted spectacles and rosary beads I noted a lovely article in my Friday hardcopy of the Telegraph.  Picked up on a theme  I was writing about some years ago, Flo-Jo's toxic legacy.

On the plus side, things like jumping the furthest or highest, running the fastest over 100m 400m are "pure".  They are the ultimate in athletic endeavour.   There are no tactics; you run in separate lanes from your rivals; it is just you against the watch.  It is not 5 of you fighting to get a good run at the bar. 
It is the same with the hour record.
Sadly pharma aids and national politics have ruined these events.  Flo Jo's exploits, born of the Moscow/Los Angeles low points have cast a long shadow over women's short distance events, with no recovery on the horizon. The current Bolt fiasco, where one athlete is protected by an administration riding the gravy train, whilst his rivals around him, doing exactly what he is doing are repeatedly pinged, is going to leave men's sprint events in an identical hole.  That hole is, in an event with so little to commentate about, apart from absolutes, it becomes tragically and permanently flawed if the absolute is distorted.  Every Women's Olympic 100m final has the time flash up as they cross the line, together with Flo Jo's World record.  Third rate - what is to talk about, let's move on ? As one poster on the Guardian Hour article so eloquently put it, this article is all about people who broke the record, is there a story to tell about those who tried and failed?  Well of course there is, but it is not newsworthy and will never be told.   That is the problem where the event is only a measure against an absolute standard.

The hour record has already been similarly savaged. ……………

……..Trumpeting an hour record is pointing the way to a  dark path that would throw away a current advantage.  Were Bolt to waltz off into the sunset with his swag bag and name in the record books, without ever being exposed, see where all that "glory" would leave men's track and field in 15 year's time.

An hour record, regardless of bike, should be nothing anyone who wants a clean sport should support, I would rather see a resurrection of the motor pace World Champs than that.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2017/03/30/sinister-past-women-athletes-will-haunt-laura-muir/
Whilst the online copy has a picture of Marion Jones, the hard copy goes for a super picture of Flo-Jo in her prime.  Scr*wing the whole sport over for decades to come.  That is what dopers do.  But they can only do it when the Sports Administrators provide a car with the keys in it readily available for these crooks to facilitate the heist.  The UCI at the direction of Cookson have done just that.  But then – why would any sane person have expected him to do anything different at UCI to that he was doing at BC ? 

Silent bans existing, Cookson being not the potential president the UCI needed when compared to McQuaid,  motors in bikes being used by a good number of winners, not just evil moto-girl Femke and the hour record being a wholly negative thing for the sport.  I am not happy that I produce a narrative that is so anti what people would like to believe.  I understand why I am in a minority and am criticized as such.

In respect to the Telegraph article – lovely apart from not going anywhere near Dame Kelly Holmes defeating a bunch of dopers to do a wonderful double and oh so cleverly dissociating Paula’s marathon exploits.  When will GB athletics start to confront its demons ?  Letting Paula sit on a commission to look at removing women's records set by Eastern Block dopers is awesome irony.

Another Olympiad on and Bolt’s continued protection is even more obvious.  How his rivals must seethe.  Too big to fail just does not get near it.  Lizzie a silent ban;  Vos similarly before her and then riding not-to-win.  In their own small way each being exposed would have set back women’s cycling too much.  The motive for concealment had to be far bigger than the moral pygmies that administer sport could resist.

Let me remind all of what IAAF General Secretary Nick Davies said at the time Paula's blood passport off scores were released -  those have no place in the public domain, they should be in the IAAF safe at Monaco.

Yes Nick, along with all copies of your emails to Papa & Limine Diack.   At least Nick, you were eventually exposed as the low life scum you are.
Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: riding too slowly on August 04, 2017, 08:46
Quite sad to see the lack of action here but let me stay on the theme of this topic. 
I have just listened to Seb Coe talking to BBC Radio 4 this morning and for any anti-doping enthusiast his theme and what he said would cause you to walk away from the sport.  To the un-initiated,  the innocent,  the message was correct.  "Dopers bad - clean runners good".  Then he faced the facts.  nobody has got near Flo-Jo's records therefore they must be "bad" and need removing from the books so that the "clean" athletes can set new ones.  Current era is clean, good testing, samples kept for 10 years, yaka yaka yaka, believe, believe believe, come through the door.  His view was that the biggest problem for the sport was not doping but staying relevant to young people.

The BBC are appalling in their promotion of this illogical pap.

So let's get that straight Seb.  WADA and the IAAF would have nothing if the Stepanov's had not walked in off the street and exposed Russia. Every single domino that has fallen since would still be standing.  No Russian Ban.  No "clean up" of the sport.  So that tells us anti-doping is an "intelligence test" that sets a very low bar at "intelligence" - easily defeated with passed on experience and it does not work.  There would be no Icarus, nothing of note at all.

Flo-Jo is dead so it is easy to target her records as "dirty" to give the sport something to talk about - some new records not some second rate losers running around the track. But at the same time, "The man who saved his sport" Bolt is still alive but what was that graphic - every single one of the top 30 100m times in history have all been completed by people who have since been busted apart from Bolt's - so despite identical evidence to flo-Jo, Bolt is clean.

And now Seb, just as Bolt waves good-bye and waltzes off with his swag bag to leave the men's sport in exactly the same place Flo-Jo left women's sport, In the same f****g interview, you hold him up as the greatest athlete of all time because he has transcended his sport and dominated it for so long, but at the same time want Flo-Jo's records expunged because she so dominated her sport the only conclusion, despite "I never tested positive" is that she must have doped.

The hypocrisy of maintaining such opposite opinions about two identical situations at the same time, truly hit heights such that I am hard to think of a match anywhere, in any sphere at any time, let alone in a sporting context.

It is only topped off by referring to this ethics commission that he has put Paula in charge of.

Remind me - what female apart from Flo-Jo has a record that no-one of a 100 dopers, tooled to their eyelids with the latest and most efficacious dope,  can get near ?

In cycling thank the good lord we only have the single disgusting hour record to use to confuse and bamboozle the innocents and not a whole sport predicated on selling lies. 



Title: Re: The Womens Hour
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 14, 2018, 14:03
Vittoria Bussi breaks Evelyn Stevens’s hour record


Italian Vittoria Bussi set a new world hour record Thursday in Aguascalientes, Mexico, riding 48.007 kilometers on the high-altitude velodrome.

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The Doctor in Pure Mathematics takes the mantle from Evelyn Stevens, who covered 47.980km in an hour, in February 2016.

Bussi has been a cyclist for just five years – she was a track and field athlete in her youth and took up triathlon whilst studying for her PhD at Oxford University.

“When people told me about The Hour; it’s was just like falling in love with someone – you don’t rationalise anymore, and just say ‘I want to do that,'” she said in advance of her effort.


"Remarkably, she had attempted the hour the day before but came up short."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnAWqkpU8AAievV?format=jpg&name=small)


https://twitter.com/xavierdisley/status/1040508477309902848


:slow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPdEbacx7E