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Title: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 28, 2015, 07:10
(http://www.dohacycling2016.com/Images/20159205472434.png)

Place yourself in the middle of the action; join us in Doha 2016 at the UCI Road World Championships
The State of Qatar hosts the World Road Championships organized by the Union Cycliste Internationale Doha, 9-16 October 2016. Doha will host around 1000 racers from 75 countries and more than 5700 participants from national federations, delegations, technicians and journalists in addition to around 30,000 fans and millions of spectators from all over the world.
In Doha 2016, The Road World Championships are different!
RWC is an annual event, which the UCI has been organizing since 1921. The first edition took place in Denmark. By hosting the UCI RWC in Doha 2016, Qatar will become the first Middle East country to stage it and the second Asian country after being hosted by Japan in 1990.
The unforgettable experience will be totally different as for the first time; the broadcasting will be through very outstanding parkour with the surroundings of the Arabian Gulf, Katara Cultural Village and Pearl.
The Arabian well-known hospitality, the windy weather, the gulf surroundings, and the generous touches will add different flavors to 2016 Championships.
Doha: a World Sports Hub!
“The vision of HH Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir, aimed at making the sport lifestyle by creating a productive generation able to hoist Qatar’s name higher at several sport and coronation podiums”.
Said by HE Seikh Joaan bin Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, President of Qatar Olympic Committee.
In line with Qatar National Vision, Qatar has been contributing in the promotion of sport in the world and in using it as means of communication and of strengthening ties between different nations and peoples by hosting multiple regional and international sports events in recent years. This led the sport infrastructure to being comprehensively and increasingly developed, allowing Qatar to become an international sport hub.
In recent years, Qatar proved the exceptional ability and outstanding facilities to host hundreds of international and regional sports events. In the coming few years, Qatar will be hosting many world class events along with the UCI RWC 2016; such as World Bowling Championships 2016, World Artistic Gymnastics Championships 2018, Athletics World Championships 2019, and FIFA World Cup 2022.


:web (http://www.dohacycling2016.com/Page/RWC2015)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: L'arri on September 28, 2015, 09:54
There's always a hint of sadness after the Worlds - it's almost the end of the season and one of too few opportunities to see different types of riders racing together - but in Richmond that feeling was stronger, since it will be at least two years before we get another selective, competitive Worlds.

There was talk of wind and echelons in Doha but we now know that the majority of the race will take place on a city circuit which promises to be flatter than Copenhagen and as dull to watch as Zolder. It's fortunate that 2016's other big race for national teams, at the Rio Olympics, should offer more of a challenge to a broader selection of potential winners.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on September 28, 2015, 09:57
there is a selfie contest though

http://www.dohacycling2016.com/Page/selfie
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on September 28, 2015, 10:30
There was talk of wind and echelons in Doha but we now know that the majority of the race will take place on a city circuit which promises to be flatter than Copenhagen and as dull to watch as Zolder.

I couldn't find a profile, but that UCI director said last year "Qatar has been chosen to organise the 2016 UCI Road World Championships, but the courses visited did not meet the requirements for a world championship. [...] It’s been decided to build a hilly course."

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/hilly-course-for-2016-qatar-road-world-championships-29255#PzRhD8TjeJf4BSm7.99

edit: okay, nevermind, that's from 2013 even, and meanwhile they said they will not build any artificial climbs (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-specially-built-circuit-for-qatar-2016-worlds/)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: cj2002 on September 28, 2015, 10:37
there is a selfie contest though

http://www.dohacycling2016.com/Page/selfie

And the winner will - like all the others at the World Championship - be awarded a rainbow jersey.

(http://i61.tinypic.com/2j0gpx5.png)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: L'arri on September 28, 2015, 15:47
I couldn't find a profile, but that UCI director said last year "Qatar has been chosen to organise the 2016 UCI Road World Championships, but the courses visited did not meet the requirements for a world championship. [...] It’s been decided to build a hilly course."

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/hilly-course-for-2016-qatar-road-world-championships-29255#PzRhD8TjeJf4BSm7.99

edit: okay, nevermind, that's from 2013 even, and meanwhile they said they will not build any artificial climbs (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-specially-built-circuit-for-qatar-2016-worlds/)

I guess the desert winds smoothed away that particular problem ...
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: AG on September 29, 2015, 01:36
yep - will be very flat, very boring

still - Greipel deserves to be WC so I suppose it will be ok
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 29, 2015, 10:57
still - Greipel deserves to be WC so I suppose it will be ok
Indeed. After all the work he's done for teammates, both #lotto and #teamde, in races that weren't suited to himself, he so deserves a #rainbow jersey.

Great Britain had the Project Rainbow, all designed to have Cav win in Copenhagen, and worked specifically towards that target for several years.

If Germany qualify 9 riders for Qatar (which is very likely), my selection would be:
Greipel - designated sprinter
Sieberg - Greipel's trusted lieutenant
Degenkolb - plan B if Greipel should crash out or something
Geschke - Degenkolb's trusted lieutenant, can double as workhorse
Knees - workhorse
Martin - workhorse par excellence
Burghardt - workhorse, experienced with racing in Qatar
Martens - workhorse
Voss - workhorse

It's an all-or-nothing approach; but if it works, it'll be Germany's first (pro) world champion since Rudi Altig in 1966.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on September 29, 2015, 11:07
 Yes was happy to see Sagan as a rightful champion, and would have no qualms about Andre in rainbow jersey at all... or Marcel if he can end his slump / lack of form / fitness.  But who's to say that GB wont dust down Project Rainbow to give a resurgent, rejuvenated Cav, all puffed out and cock sure after securing 4 more stage wins in France another year in the bands... oops have I completely succumbed to whimsy and wishful thinking

 :S

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: cj2002 on September 29, 2015, 11:15
Yes was happy to see Sagan as a rightful champion, and would have no qualms about Andre in rainbow jersey at all... or Marcel if he can end his slump / lack of form / fitness.  But who's to say that GB wont dust down Project Rainbow to give a resurgent, rejuvenated Cav, all puffed out and cock sure after securing 4 more stage wins in France another year in the bands... oops have I completely succumbed to whimsy and wishful thinking

 :S

Nothing wrong with whimsy. I think Cavendish has suffered from being one of many egos in a big team. It was the same when he was at Sky. His own ego is such, it seems, that he can't take that for long. Yes, his star is on the wane, but when he is "puffed out" there is still no-one tactically better in a sprint than Cav. Faster - well, that's a different debate, these days...

Incidentally...

(http://i59.tinypic.com/5y9qu1.png)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 29, 2015, 11:21
Indeed. After all the work he's done for teammates, both #lotto and #teamde, in races that weren't suited to himself, he so deserves a #rainbow jersey.

Great Britain had the Project Rainbow, all designed to have Cav win in Copenhagen, and worked specifically towards that target for several years.

If Germany qualify 9 riders for Qatar (which is very likely), my selection would be:
Greipel - designated sprinter
Sieberg - Greipel's trusted lieutenant
Degenkolb - plan B if Greipel should crash out or something
Geschke - Degenkolb's trusted lieutenant, can double as workhorse
Knees - workhorse
Martin - workhorse par excellence
Burghardt - workhorse, experienced with racing in Qatar
Martens - workhorse
Voss - workhorse

It's an all-or-nothing approach; but if it works, it'll be Germany's first (pro) world champion since Rudi Altig in 1966.

Kittel ??
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on September 29, 2015, 11:27
Kittel ??

Who's this Kittel fella?

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on September 29, 2015, 11:29
Joel, in *gb he is called Kittle, friend of Griepel
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 29, 2015, 11:31
:fp

sorry
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: cj2002 on September 29, 2015, 12:15
:fp

sorry

Don't be sorry, JSG. You got it right!
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 29, 2015, 12:24
Kittel ??
He'd need to get back to his 2014 form first. Then he'd be an obvious pick - but only then.

And even then the team would have to agree on a clear leader to ride for (whether that's Greipel or Kittel, or Degenkolb). Petacchi and others abandoned their personal ambitions to help Cipollini to the #rainbow in 2002; the German team would have to find a similar agreement.[1]
 1. With a plan B worked out in case plan A fails
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 29, 2015, 12:46
Don't be sorry, JSG. You got it right!

I did well blow me down with a feather
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Archieboy on September 29, 2015, 19:29
Greipel, Kittel... Kittel, Greipel, does it matter...

Important thing is will there be a room where we can get beer and bacon sarnies :cool or will it be :shh
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: pastronef on September 29, 2015, 21:18
pro road race on October 16, 2016

races where the 2016 World Champ can show the jersey in 2016

Japan Cup?
Saitama Crit?

even Nationale Sluitingprijs is raced before
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on September 29, 2015, 22:46
Well with the football World Cup final on Dec 18th traditions can go out of the window.

I hope that the pretty disgraceful about turn by London does not prevent GB getting a hosting slot in 2018, 19, or 20.  It's a long time since Goodwood.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: AG on September 30, 2015, 00:36
October 16????

why????

I though tthey finally had it right moving it to a couple of weeks after the Vuelta

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on September 30, 2015, 08:18
October 16????

why????

because currently there are ~40°C in Doha I guess
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: pastronef on September 30, 2015, 10:53
October 16????

why????

I though tthey finally had it right moving it to a couple of weeks after the Vuelta

from 2017 the race will be hel on Sept 24th, as normal

weather conditions pushed the 2016 race so late in the year.

it really will be the LAST race of the season

UNLESS the ABU DHABI TOUR moves 2 weeks later that this year (8-11 October this year) so they can get the world champion.

but is should be raced on October 20-23... meh...  :-x
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 30, 2015, 14:30
it really will be the LAST race of the season

UNLESS the ABU DHABI TOUR moves 2 weeks later that this year (8-11 October this year) so they can get the world champion.

but is should be raced on October 20-23... meh...  :-x
I expect that they will. They'll have Sagan this year; surely the sheikhs will cough up the cash to get the 2016 #rainbow as well - it's only a short hop across the water from Doha.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: pastronef on September 30, 2015, 14:43
I expect that they will. They'll have Sagan this year; surely the sheikhs will cough up the cash to get the 2016 #rainbow as well - it's only a short hop across the water from Doha.

right! I did not think about that. they can even start on Tuesday instead of Thursday.
yes, the Sheikhs will ready

problem is: will the next world champ team be on the start list?  :o  :D

then by 2017 I hope they pull a Beijing and stop it  :shh
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 30, 2015, 14:54
right! I did not think about that. they can even start on Tuesday instead of Thursday.
yes, the Sheikhs will ready

problem is: will the next world champ team be on the start list?  :o  :D
That's why they'll stick with Thursday - so that there's 72 hours between the end of the Worlds and the start of this 'race', and thus enough time to invite the world champion's team if they're not already invited. ;)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: pastronef on September 30, 2015, 15:00
That's why they'll stick with Thursday - so that there's 72 hours between the end of the Worlds and the start of this 'race', and thus enough time to invite the world champion's team if they're not already invited. ;)

did not know about that.
is there a 72 hours time limit to invite a team?

anyway, a race ending on October 23rd... riders and team staff will be chuffed..  ;)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 30, 2015, 15:05
is there a 72 hours time limit to invite a team?
There is a 72-hour time limit for teams to confirm their final line-up. I know that much because several teams changed their line-ups for the Sibiu Cycling Tour just before that deadline ...

I don't know the rules for team invitations by heart, but I can't remember any restrictions that are longer than said deadline.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 29, 2015, 09:52
https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/659667597668032512

https://twitter.com/bambula/status/659668438823079936
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: jacinta on November 17, 2015, 13:59
Hi there
I am looking to work at the RWC as a volunteer or part of the organisation for the duration. I have sent my e mail to the OC address and would love to be involved. I work on the Giro / Tour de France and Vuelta and this would be my dream to work this too. Please can you help me contact you?
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on November 18, 2015, 18:42
Hi there
Hi Jacinta!
We're a fan-run site, so we don't have anything to do with the organisation of the Doha Worlds.
You'll want to contact the UCI (http://www.uci.ch/contact/) (Philippe Colliou seems to be the relevant person) or the local organising committee (http://www.dohacycling2016.com/Contact).
Be aware that at least the UCI isn't the fastest to reply to e-mails, so allow for time to get an answer.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: P. on February 06, 2016, 15:33
Does anyone know how the qualification system will be?

Which ranking will be decisive ? The new UCI World Ranking  (nations) or still the UCI WorldTour  Ranking (nations)? Still 9 riders for the Top 10 nations?
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on February 06, 2016, 18:51
Does anyone know how the qualification system will be?
No, not yet. The UCI management committee usually decides on the qualification system at their meeting during the CX Worlds (where they awarded the 2018 Worlds to Innsbruck, e.g.), but they're poor at at communicating their decisions. Or the switch to new rankings caused a delay in the vote that will be done later (likely via electronic ballot). That happened 2 (?) years ago already, when they finally made the (old) qualification criteria less ambiguous (though still horribly complicated).

Which ranking will be decisive ? The new UCI World Ranking  (nations) or still the UCI WorldTour  Ranking (nations)?
I dearly hope for the new UCI World Ranking. If they used the WT & Conti rankings "because the World Ranking isn't 52 weeks long yet", that would defeat the whole purpose of the new ranking. And the WT & Conti rankings aren't 52 weeks long either, being started from scratch every January. Just about ANYTHING would be an improvement over the previous years' system.

Still 9 riders for the Top 10 nations?
This is the only thing I can answer with relative confidence: Yes. I see no reason for the UCI to change that.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on February 07, 2016, 15:35
https://twitter.com/gregorbrown/status/696354492241940480

 :lol
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on February 07, 2016, 20:22
https://twitter.com/gregorbrown/status/696354492241940480

 :lol
What's it this time?
He's right, to a degree ... :-x

That Worlds course is as "un-Qatari" as possible. The Tour of Qatar built its reputation on echelons and sand - and now we'll see a rollercoaster ride on an artificial island that's more reminiscent of Dubai.
They might as well have landscaped the island to include ascents while they were at it.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on February 07, 2016, 21:08
What's it this time?

oh, just the funny course design
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on April 06, 2016, 08:54
#southeast Jakub Marceko will start in the U23 world championships - and thereby we have a clear favorite for the win I guess

http://www.ovettodicolombo.it/jakub-mareczko-velocista-southeast/
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on April 06, 2016, 09:07
#southeast Jakub Marceko will start in the U23 world championships - and thereby we have a clear favorite for the win I guess

http://www.ovettodicolombo.it/jakub-mareczko-velocista-southeast/
Now *dk Anders Lund has to nominate #giant Søren Kragh! :D
He's performed very well in the Tour of Qatar, and could well reach the medals.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on April 06, 2016, 09:19
are WT riders allowed to start now?
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on April 06, 2016, 10:41
are WT riders allowed to start now?

yep as of this Worlds if you are U23 rider riding in a WT team you can ride either the U23 or Senior RR and ITT but I think not 1 and then the other ie U23 ITT and senor RR
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on April 06, 2016, 13:05
are WT riders allowed to start now?
Yes.
As JSG says, you have to commit to one category for the year. Either U23 or elite. But WT riders may freely participate in the U23 category if they're eligible.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on May 26, 2016, 11:32
https://twitter.com/UCIDoha2016/status/735778243144351747
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Joelsim on July 08, 2016, 11:18
Candelabra not racing the Worlds this year by the sounds of things.

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on August 22, 2016, 17:53
There will be more dessert desert for the men:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/changes-to-doha-road-world-championship-course-more-desert-fewer-local-laps/ (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/changes-to-doha-road-world-championship-course-more-desert-fewer-local-laps/)

151 km out-and-back through the desert followed by 7 laps of the circuit:
(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2016/08/22/2/road_race_men_elite_map_736x1024_670.jpg)

The women get a short run-in and then 7 laps, too:
(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2016/08/22/2/road_race_women_elite_1024x736_670.jpg)

No info on the men's U23 race.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Not My Circus on August 24, 2016, 20:16
There will be more dessert desert for the men:

Well that throws a little different complexion on the whole thing
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 06, 2016, 18:39
https://twitter.com/RenaudB31/status/773211963191009281

I must admit that I don't know which Escobar, Vargas, Mendoza & Ramírez he's referring to.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 13, 2016, 16:18
https://twitter.com/UCI_media/status/775713784530886657

he Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) and the Association Internationale des Groupes Cyclistes Professionels (AIGCP) have agreed on a number of adjustments to the 2016 UCI Road World Championships Men's Team Time Trial format, ensuring a maximum of UCI WorldTeams will take part in the event to be held in just a few weeks in Doha, Qatar.

Acknowledging teams' concerns raised by the AIGCP, the UCI has opted for a non-compulsory format for UCI WorldTeams. As a result, no UCI WorldTour points will be awarded, bringing the Men's Team Time Trial event in line with the rest of the UCI Road World Championship events.

It was also agreed that the model of the event shall be revised for future editions in collaboration with the AIGCP.

Following this agreement, the UCI and AIGCP confirm that the following teams will participate in this year’s Men’s Team Time Trial: AG2R La Mondiale, Astana Pro Team, BMC Racing Team, Etixx – Quick Step, Movistar Team, Orica-Bikeexchange, Team Giant – Alpecin, Team Katusha, Team Lotto NL – Jumbo and Team Sky. More teams are expected to confirm their participation in the days to come.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 15, 2016, 08:01
TEAM AUSTRALIA

MEN

Zak DEMPSTER (VIC)
Rohan DENNIS (SA) - Time Trial
Luke DURBRIDGE (WA) - Time Trial & Road Race
Mitchell DOCKER (VIC)
Caleb EWAN (NSW)
Adam HANSEN (QLD)
Heinrich HAUSSLER (NSW)
Mathew HAYMAN (ACT)
Michael MATTHEWS (ACT)
Mark RENSHAW (NSW)
WOMEN
Tiffany CROMWELL (SA)
Gracie ELVIN (ACT)
Katrin GARFOOT (QLD) - Time Trial & Road Race
Chloe HOSKING (ACT)
Lauren KITCHEN (NSW)
Loren ROWNEY (QLD)
Sarah ROY (NSW)
MEN’S UNDER 23

Lucas HAMILTON (VIC)
Jai HINDLEY (WA)
Jason LOWNDES (VIC)
Alexander PORTER (SA)
Nicholas SCHULTZ (QLD)
Callum SCOTSON (SA) - Time Trial
Miles SCOTSON (SA) - Time Trial
Michael STORER (WA)
Final team to be confirmed closer to the Championships.

UNDER 19

Macgregor CARTER (VIC)
Alastair CHRISTIE-JOHNSTON (VIC)
Harry SWEENY (QLD)
Madeleine FASNACHT (TAS)
Jaime GUNNING (QLD)
Chloe MORAN (SA)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Not My Circus on September 15, 2016, 09:26
*dk TEAM DANMARK  *dk
Catherine Marsal, Anders Lund and  Henrik Simper announce

Time Trial
Jnr Men
Mikkel Bjerg - Team Børkop Bicycles - Carl Ras Roskilde Junior #champdk
Julius Johansen (Team Børkop Bicycles - Carl Ras Roskilde Junior

U23 Men
Mads Würtz Schmidt -  #virtupro  Team VirtuPro - Velo Concept  #champdk  (Current World Champ)
Kasper Asgreen -  #virtupro Team VirtuPro - Velo Concept
Mads Pedersen -  #stolting Stolting Service Group

Elite Men
Martin Toft Madsen - #bornholm Almeborg-Bornhom #champdk
Soren Kragh Andersen -  #giant Giant-Alpecin

Elite Women
Cecile Uttrup -  #bms BMS-Birn #champdk
Julie Leth -  #hitec Hitec

Jnr Women
Simone Eg - #bms BMS-Birn
Johanne Marcher

Road Race
Elite Women
Cecile Uttrup -  #bms BMS-Birn
Julie Leth -  #hitec Hitec
Amalie Dideriksen -  #boels Boels-Dolmans
Reserve Riders: Christina Siggaard and Camilla Møllebro Pedersen -  #bms BMS-Birn

Jnr Women
Emma Norsgaard Jørgensen #champdk
Simone Eg - #bms BMS-Birn
Johanne Marcher

U23 Men
Mads Pedersen -  #stolting Stölting
Kasper Asgreen - #virtupro VirtuPro - Velo Concept
Mads Würtz Schmidt - #virtupro Team VirtuPro - Velo Concept #champdk
Michael Carbel -  #stolting Stölting
Emil Vinjebo Team  #scatto Giant Scatto U23

Jnr Men
Frederik Rodenberg - Team Børkop Bicycles - Carl Ras Roskilde #champdk
Mathias Larsen - Team Børkop Bicycles - Carl Ras Roskilde
Jakob Egholm - Team Børkop Bicycles - Carl Ras Roskilde           
Andreas Kron - Team Pythonpro.com  Velo Wear
Mikkel Bjerg - Team Børkop Bicycles - Carl Ras Roskilde
Julius Johansen - Team Børkop Bicycles - Carl Ras Roskilde

Elite Men

Magnus Cort -  #orica ORICA-BikeExhange
Michael Mørkøv -  #katusha Katusha
Søren Kragh Andersen -  #giant Giant-Alpecin
Lars Bak -  #lotto Lotto-Soudal
Chris Juul Jensen -  #orica ORICA-BikeExchange
Matti Breschel -  #cannondale Cannondale



Hoping they use that snazzy Rio kit
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Not My Circus on September 19, 2016, 13:31
Denmark for Doha updated... [scroll up]
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2016, 09:03
*usa

Team USA for the 2016 UCI World Championships

Elite men's road race
Robin Carpenter (La Jolla, Calif./Holowesko-Citadel Racing Team p/b Hincapie Racing)
Chad Haga (McKinney, Texas/Team Giant-Alpecin)
Eric Marcotte (Scottsdale, Ariz./Team Jamis)
Taylor Phinney (Boulder, Colo./BMC Racing Team)
Kiel Reijnen (Bainbridge Island, Wash./Trek Factory Racing)
Joseph Rosskopf (Decatur, Ga./BMC Racing Team)

Elite men's individual time trial
Taylor Phinney (Boulder, Colo./BMC Racing Team)*
Alexey Vermeulen (Pickney, Mich./Team Lotto NL-Jumbo)

Elite women's road race
Allie Dragoo (Grand Rapids, Mich./TWENTY16 Ridebiker)
Megan Guarnier (San Mateo, Calif./Boels Dolmans Cycling Team)*
Amber Neben (Lake Forest, Calif./BEPINK)
Coryn Rivera (Tustin, Calif./UnitedHealthcare)*
Alexis Ryan (Ventura, Calif./Canyon SRAM Racing)
Carmen Small (Durango, Colo./Cylance Pro Cycling)
Lauren Stephens (Dallas, Texas/Team TIBCO-Silicon Valley Bank)

Elite women's individual time trial
Amber Neben (Lake Forest, Calif./BEPINK)
Carmen Small (Durango, Colo./Cylance Pro Cycling)*

U23 men's road race
Adrien Costa (Bend, Ore./Axeon Hagens Berman)*
Geoffrey Curran (Tustin, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)*
Gregory Daniel (Englewood, Colo./Axeon Hagens Berman)*
Colin Joyce (Pocatello, Idaho/Axeon Hagens Berman)
Justin Oien (Escondido, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)
Neilson Powless (Roseville, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)

U23 men's individual time trial
Geoffrey Curran (Tustin, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)*
Neilson Powless (Roseville, Calif./Axeon Hagens Berman)*

Junior men's road race
Cameron Beard (Bend, Ore./Team Specialized Racing-NCCF)
Ian Garrison (Decatur, Ga./Holowesko-Citadel Racing Team p/b Hincapie Racing)*
Gage Hecht (Parker, Colo./Hot Tubes Development Cycling Team)
Bjorn Larson (Duluth, Minn./Holowesko-Citadel Racing Team p/b Hincapie Racing)
Brandon McNulty (Phoenix, Ariz./LUX-Stradling p/b Specialized)*
Tyler Stites (Tucson, Ariz./El Grupo Youth Cycling)

Junior men's individual time trial
Ian Garrison (Decatur, Ga./Holowesko-Citadel Racing Team p/b Hincapie Racing)
Brandon McNulty (Phoenix, Ariz./LUX-Stradling p/b Specialized)*

Junior women's road race
Hannah Arensman (Rutherford College, N.C./TWENTY16 Pro Cycling)
Megan Heath (Alpharetta, Ga./Frazier Cycling)
Summer Moak (Foothill Ranch, Calif./TWENTY16 Pro Cycling)
Skylar Schneider (West Allis, Wis./ISCorp Cycling p/b SmartChoice MRI)*

Junior women's individual time trial
Hannah Arensman (Rutherford College, N.C./TWENTY16 Pro Cycling)*
Skylar Schneider (West Allis, Wis./ISCorp Cycling p/b SmartChoice MRI)

*Automatic selection
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2016, 10:40
*no

Menn elite: Alexander Kristoff (Katusha), Edvald Boasson Hagen (Dimension Data), Sven Erik Bystrøm (Katusha), Vegard Stake Laengen (IAM Cycling), Vegard Breen (Fortuneo-Vital Concept), Kristoffer Skjerping (Cannondale-Drapac), Sondre Holst Enger (IAM Cycling), Daniel Hoelgaard (FDJ) og Truls Engen Korsæth (Joker-Byggtorget).

Menn elite tempo: Edvald Boasson Hagen (Dimension Data), Vegard Stake Laengen (IAM Cycling)

Menn U23: Kristoffer Halvorsen (Joker-Byggtorget), Anders Skaarseth (Joker-Byggtorget), Amund G. Jansen (Joker-Byggtorget), Ole Forfang (Joker-Byggtorget), Fridtjof Røinås (Team Sparebanken Sør), Rasmus F. Tiller (Lillehammer SK).

Menn U23 tempo: Rasmus F. Tiller (Lillehammer CK), + en ubesatt plass

Menn junior: Iver Knotten, Andreas Leknessund, Sedrik Ullebø, Ludvik Holstad, Joakim Kjemhus, Håkon Aalrust

Menn junior tempo: Iver Knotten (Tønsberg CK), Andreas Leknessund (Ringerike SK)

Kvinner elite: Cecilie Gotaas Johnsen (Hitec), Katrine Aalerud (Bryne), Emilie Moberg (Hitec)

Kvinner junior: Susanne Andersen (Stavanger SK), Ingvild Gåskjenn (Horten)

Tempo kvinner junior: Susanne Andersen (Stavanger SK)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 20, 2016, 19:46
*ca

http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews.php?id=31758&title=cycling-canada-announces-elite-u23-team-for-road-world-championships

Elite Men

Ryan Anderson, Spruce Grove AB (RR)
Guillaume Boivin, Montreal QC (RR)
Adam de Vos, Victoria BC (RR)
Antoine Duchesne, Chicoutimi QC (RR)
Hugo Houle, St-Perpetue QC (TT, RR)
Ryan Roth, Guelph ON (TT, RR)

U23 Men

Alec Cowan, Calgary AB (TT, RR)
David Drouin, St-Prosper QC (RR)
Sean MacKinnon, Hamilton ON (TT, RR)
Nicolas Masbourian, Montreal QC (RR)
Benjamin Perry, St. Catharines ON (RR)

Junior Men

Matthew Staples, Oro-Medonte ON (RR & TT)
Nickolas Zukowsky, Dundas ON (RR & TT)
Charles-Étienne Chrétien, Amos QC (RR)
Thierry Kirouac-Marcassa, Boucherville QC (RR)

Elite Women

Sara Bergen, Coquitlam BC (RR)
Karol-Ann Canuel, Amos QC (TT, RR)
Annie Foreman-Mackey, Kingston ON (RR)
Alison Jackson, Vermilion AB (RR)
Leah Kirchmann, Winnipeg MB (RR)
Joelle Numainville, Laval QC (RR)

Junior Women

Erin Attwell, Victoria BC (RR & TT)
Laurie Jussaume, Contrecoeur QC (RR & TT)
Devaney Collier, Edmonton AB (RR)
Maggie Coles-Lyster, Maple Ridge BC (RR)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 21, 2016, 16:00
*uk

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/gbcyclingteam/article/20160921-gb-cyclingteam-news-Great-Britain-Cycling-Team-long-list-named-for-2016-UCI-Road-World-Championships-0

Elite men road race (one to drop out from the list)

Adam Blythe
Mark Cavendish
Stephen Cummings
Alex Dowsett
Dan McLay
Luke Rowe
Ian Stannard
Ben Swift
Geraint Thomas
Scott Thwaites

Elite men time trial

To be selected from the above (two places qualified)

Elite women road race

Alice Barnes
Hannah Barnes
Lizzie Deignan
Dani King
Laura Massey
Annasley Park
Abby-Mae Parkinson
Eileen Roe

Elite women’s time trial

Hannah Barnes
Hayley Simmonds

Under-23 men road race

Gabriel Cullaigh
Scott Davies
Jon Dibben
Chris Latham
Tao Geoghegan Hart
James Shaw

Under-23 men time trial

To be selected from the above (two places qualified)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Echoes on September 21, 2016, 22:00
According to Gazet van Antwerpen Kevin De Weert almost has the Belgian team in mind with only a few names remaining but it's often the last ones that are the hardest to choose.

Timothy Dupont could be the last name to enter. Kevin says he cannot overlook the  wins by Dupont this season, the most prolific winner in Belgium. Of course these are in smaller races but you still need to do them, says De Weert.

He also examined whether it was possible to take him because Dupont is currently racing for the Continental Team Verandas Willems but there's no problem for it.

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/855877TIMOTHYDUPONTGvA20160921.png)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 22, 2016, 10:39
*nz

Mens
Jack Bauer
Patrick Bevin
Dion Smith

Mens U 23
Hayden McCormick
Hamish Schreurs
Sam Dobbs

http://www.cyclingnewzealand.nz/news/bauer-to-lead-new-zealand-team-to-world-championships

no womens named

Linda Villumsen will not be going as she is focusing on 2017 after the Olympics campaign took its toll according to the report
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 22, 2016, 11:24
Greipel is not at all amused by the BDR not having made a decision on the team leader for Qatar yet:
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160919_02476329 (http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160919_02476329)

"We want to defend our chances as well as possible with the German team, and I don't think that's possible with both of us on the team."
"I don't understand the BDR. I want to prepare as well as possible for the Worlds, but I don't even know if I'm going. I can't plan my travel."
"It's not good if you always think about whether or not you will participate with only three weeks to go to the Worlds. Marcel feels the same way, it is a difficult situation for both of us."
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 22, 2016, 12:15
*ch

La sélection :
Contre-la-montre
Elite Hommes
Reto Hollenstein (IAM Cycling)
Stefan Küng (BMC Racing Team) - notre photo
Remplaçant
Silvan Dillier (BMC Racing Team)

Elite Dames
Nicole Hanselmann (Cervélo Bigla Pro Cycling Team)

Espoirs
Tom Bohli (BMC Racing Team) *
Martin Schäppi (BMC Development Team)

Juniors Hommes
Stefan Bissegger (GD Weilenmann)
Marc Hirschi (Team ROTH

Juniors Dames
Lena Mettraux (VC Echallens)

Courses en ligne
Elite Hommes
Silvan Dillier (BMC Racing Team)
Martin Elmiger (IAM Cycling)
Reto Hollenstein (IAM Cycling)
Stefan Küng (BMC Racing Team)
Pirmin Lang (IAM Cycling Team)
Fabian Lienhard (BMC Development Team)
Gregory Rast (Trek-Segafredo)
Michael Schär (BMC Racing Team)

Elite Dames
Nicole Hanselmann (Cervélo Bigla Pro Cycling Team)

Espoirs
Tom Bohli (BMC Racing Team)
Patrick Müller (BMC Development Team)
Martin Schäppi (BMC Development Team)
Lukas Spengler (BMC Development Team)
Mario Spengler (BMC Development Team)
Remplaçant
Nico Selenati (EKZ Racing Team)

Juniors Hommes
Stefan Bissegger (GD Weilenmann)
Robin Froidevaux (Team ROTH)
Marc Hirschi (Team ROTH)
Reto Müller (Team Gadola-Wetzikon)
Joab Schneiter (Team ROTH)
Valère Thiébaud (Zeta Cycling Club Colombier)
Remplaçant
Leon Russenberger (RV Merishausen)

Juniors Dames
Lena Mettraux (VC Echallens)
Pauline Roy (Cimes – Cycle La Chaux-de-Fonds)
Svenja Wüthrich (RV Rieden Walliselle)


Lire la suite : http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/53622/mondial-la-selection-suisse
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 23, 2016, 07:32
https://twitter.com/ridemediaHQ/status/779201604582936576
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 25, 2016, 14:08
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/779943032884002816
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 26, 2016, 08:23
https://twitter.com/UCIDoha2016/status/780306103817080832
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 26, 2016, 11:50
*fr selection for Qatar:
https://twitter.com/RenaudB31/status/780358532214452224

Both Bouhanni and Démare ... that'll be fun! :D
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 26, 2016, 12:12
The *dk selection for the men's RR is in:
https://twitter.com/JStadum/status/780362813617410049
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 26, 2016, 12:15
And the *de selections as well ... except for ME - Greipel, Kittel & co. will have to wait until Wednesday:
http://www.rad-net.de/nachrichten/bdr-nominiert-erste-fahrer-fuer-die-wm-in-katar;n_40217.html (http://www.rad-net.de/nachrichten/bdr-nominiert-erste-fahrer-fuer-die-wm-in-katar;n_40217.html)

Those with a * will ride the ITT as well as the RR:
Frauen
(Startplätze: Zeitfahren 2, Straßenrennen 6)
Lisa Brennauer (Durach/Canyon-Sram)*
Romy Kasper (Forst/Boels-Dolmans)
Lisa Klein (Erfurt/Cervélo-Bigla)
Mieke Kröger (Bielefeld/Canyon-Sram)
Stephanie Pohl (Cottbus/Cervélo-Bigla)
Trixi Worrack (Erfurt/Canyon-Sram)*

U23
(Startplätze: Zeitfahren 3, Straßenrennen 5)
Pascal Ackermann (Kandel/rad-net ROSE Team)
Phil Bauhaus (Bocholt/Bora-Argon 18)
Lennard Kämna (Fischerhude/Team Stölting)*
Marco Mathis (Tettnang/rad-net ROSE-Team)*
Maximilian Schachmann (Berlin/Klein Constantia)*

Junioren
(Startplätze: Zeitfahren 2, Straßenrennen 5)
Richard Banusch (RSC Cottbus)*
Bastian Flicke (PSV Forst)*
Felix Groß (RSV Venusberg)
Maximilian Hamberger (VC Regensburg)
Niklas Märkl (RSV Linden)
Jonas Rutsch (Frankfurter VC)

Juniorinnen
(Startplätze: Zeitfahren 2, Straßenrennen 5)
Franziska Brauße (TSV Betzingen)*
Liane Lippert (RSV Seerose Friedrichshafen)
Christa Riffel (RSV Edelweiß Oberhausen)*
Hanna Steffen (Genthiner RC 66)
Lea Lin Teutenberg (FC Lexxi Speedbike)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 26, 2016, 13:16
*be

SELECTIE TIJDRIJDEN:

DAMES JUNIOREN:
Geen deelname.

HEREN JUNIOREN:
Ruben APERS – Jasper PHILIPSEN
Geen reserve.

HEREN U23:
Senne LEYSEN – Nathan VAN HOOYDONCK
Geen reserve.

DAMES ELITE:
Ann-Sophie DUYCK
Geen reserve.

HEREN ELITE:
Victor CAMPENAERTS – Yves LAMPAERT
Geen reserve.

SELECTIE WEGRITTEN:

DAMES JUNIOREN:
Lotte ROTMAN – Febe SCHOKKAERT
Geen reserves.

HEREN JUNIOREN:
Ruben APERS – Jasper PHILIPSEN – Gerben THIJSSEN –  Brent VAN MOER – Lothar VERHULST – Sasha WEEMAES
Reserves (in alfabetische volgorde): Gilles BORRA – Stijn DEMOLDER – Sander DE PESTEL

HEREN U23:
Piet ALLEGAERT – Jenthe BIERMANS – Christophe NOPPE – Guillaume SEYE – Nathan VAN HOOYDONCK – Enzo WOUTERS
Reserves (in alfabetische volgorde): Kevin DELTOMBE – Edward PLANCKAERT – Senne LEYSEN

DAMES ELITE:
Valerie DEMEY – Sofie DE VUYST – Jolien D’HOORE – Lotte KOPECKY – Kaat VAN DER MEULEN – Anisha VEKEMANS
Reserves (in alfabetische volgorde): Annelies DOM – Kaat HANNES

HEREN ELITE:
Tom BOONEN – Jens DEBUSSCHERE – Iljo KEISSE – Jens KEUKELEIRE – Nikolas MAES – Oliver NAESEN – Jürgen ROELANDTS – Jasper STUYVEN – Greg VAN AVERMAET
Reserves (in alfabetische volgorde): Timothy DUPONT – Yves LAMPAERT – Jonas VAN GENECHTEN – Jelle WALLAYS
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Capt_Cavman on September 26, 2016, 13:51
Stijn DEMOLDER

Little things please little minds. This pleased mine.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Not My Circus on September 26, 2016, 14:47
 *dk team announcements are now complete... [scroll up]

let the medals roll  :D

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 26, 2016, 16:37
Yet more team selections:
http://www.cyclingpro.net/velopro/road/mondiaux-les-selections-russe-suedoise-et-japonaise (http://www.cyclingpro.net/velopro/road/mondiaux-les-selections-russe-suedoise-et-japonaise)


*ru Men Elite
RR: Anton Vorobyev, Maxim Belkov, Sergey Lagutin, Alexander Porsev, Viacheslav Kuznetsov, Roman Maikin
ITT: Anton Vorobyev, Maxim Belkov

*ru Women Elite
RR: Olga Zabelinskaya, Oksana Kozonchuk, Alexander Chekina
ITT: Olga Zabelinskaya

*ru Men U23
RR: Artem Nych, Pavel Sivakov, Sergey Rostovtsev, Maxim Piskunov, Alexander Kulikovskii, Stepan Kuryanov
ITT: Artem Nych, Pavel Sivakov


*se Men Elite
RR: Jonas Ahlstrand

*se Women Elite
RR: Alexandra Nessmar, Emma Johansson, Emilia Fahlin, Sara Mustonen, Sara Penton
ITT: Emilia Fahlin

*se Men U23
RR: Marcus Fåglum Karlsson

*se Men Juniors
RR: Andreas Andersson, Jacob Eriksson, Erik Bergström Frisk, Linus Kvist

*se Women Juniors
RR: Clara Lundmark


*jp Men Elite
RR: Fumiyuki Beppu, Yukiya Arashiro

*jp Women Elite
RR: Eri Yonamine, Miho Yoshikawa, Kajihara Yumi
ITT: Eri Yonamine
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 27, 2016, 10:34
https://twitter.com/cjwaine/status/780700747361116160
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 27, 2016, 17:17
The *nl team is in:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/double-duty-for-dumoulin-van-der-breggen-at-world-championships/ (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/double-duty-for-dumoulin-van-der-breggen-at-world-championships/)

WJ ITT: Maaike Boogaard, Karlijn Swinkels
MU ITT: Pascal Eenkhoorn, Jan Willem van Schip
MJ ITT: Nils Eekhoff, Jarno Mobach
WE ITT: Anna van der Breggen, Ellen van Dijk, Annemiek van Vleuten
ME ITT: Tom Dumoulin, Jos van Emden

WJ RR: Maaike Boogaard, Fleur Nagengast, Arianna Pruisscher, Nicole Steigenga, Karlijn Swinkels
MU RR: Cees Bol, Pascal Eenkhoorn, Fabio Jakobsen, Jan Willem van Schip, Bram Welten
MJ RR: Lars van den Berg, Nils Eekhoff, Daan Hoole, Dennis van der Horst, Jarno Mobach, Ide Schelling
WE RR: Anna van der Breggen, Chantal Blaak, Ellen van Dijk, Roxane Knetemann, Amy Pieters, Annemiek van Vleuten, Marianne Vos, Kirsten Wild
ME RR: Dylan van Baarle, Tom Dumoulin, Jos van Emden, Dylan Groenewegen, Koen de Kort, Sebastian Langeveld, Tom Leezer, Niki Terpstra, Danny van Poppel
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 27, 2016, 17:20
And *de has decided to select neither Greipel nor Kittel - but both of them! :D
http://www.rad-net.de/nachrichten/bdr-faehrt-mit-greipel-und-kittel-zur-wm;n_40231.html (http://www.rad-net.de/nachrichten/bdr-faehrt-mit-greipel-und-kittel-zur-wm;n_40231.html)

Greipel has been made leader, with Kittel in a free role.


John Degenkolb (Frankfurt/Giant-Alpecin)
André Greipel (Hürth/Lotto-Soudal)
Marcel Kittel (Erfurt/Etixx-Quick Step)
Tony Martin (Kreuzlingen/Etixx-Quick Step) - also ITT
Nils Politt (Hürth/Katusha) - also ITT
Marcel Sieberg (Bocholt/Lotto-Soudal)
Jasha Sütterlin (Freiburg/Movistar) - also ITT

They've selected seven riders for six spots though (three for two ITT spots), so someone will eventually miss out - or pull out himself.
My guess would be Sütterlin doing only the ITT, Tony Martin doing ITT & RR, and the other five doing the RR.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 27, 2016, 17:37
They've selected seven riders for six spots though (three for two ITT spots), so someone will eventually miss out - or pull out himself.
My guess would be Sütterlin doing only the ITT, Tony Martin doing ITT & RR, and the other five doing the RR.
Or just listen to Susan: :D
https://twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/780808241894817792
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 28, 2016, 08:14
https://twitter.com/UCIWomenCycling/status/781028477378105344
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on September 28, 2016, 19:19
*no
Menn elite: Alexander Kristoff (Katusha), Edvald Boasson Hagen (Dimension Data), Sven Erik Bystrøm (Katusha), Vegard Stake Laengen (IAM Cycling), Vegard Breen (Fortuneo-Vital Concept), Kristoffer Skjerping (Cannondale-Drapac), Sondre Holst Enger (IAM Cycling), Daniel Hoelgaard (FDJ) og Truls Engen Korsæth (Joker-Byggtorget).

This announcement + Edvald's stage win in Eneco Tour = the annual Aleksander vs Edvald debate is on!
Sprinkle a little bit of last year's "I could not ride for medals with GvA because orders were to ride for Aleksander" over, and serve hot!
It's a never ending soap opera, at least it brings cycling back in national headlines!
 
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 28, 2016, 21:47
It's a never ending soap opera, at least it brings cycling back in national headlines!
Soap opera or not - what's your opinion?

I would think Kristoff deserves leadership, with EBH to follow any dangerous moves in the final so that the other riders don't have to chase. And if that group makes it, EBH is surely one of the fastest in there.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 29, 2016, 11:40
Womens TTT numbers have according to the folks at cyclingfever at 8

8 whole teams you go the UCI

15 for the mens and they Cyclingfever are correct some crazy teams

ie Vino4ever
KOLSS-BDC TEAM
STRADALLI - BIKE AID
VERANDAS WILLEMS CYCLING TEAM
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on September 29, 2016, 11:45
Verandas should be correct, there was something in Belgian media the other week that they will go
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 29, 2016, 11:47
Verandas should be correct, there was something in Belgian media the other week that they will go

Lotto pulled out due to the costs of 40 000 - 50 000 euro cost where the hell do they get that sort of cash from I was surprised any other than the WT teams would go even if you have 50% of the costs claimed be the real costs
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on September 29, 2016, 11:55
#verandas Verandas Willems said that they found cheaper flights than what the UCI recommended, and as the accommodation for the riders is paid for anyway by the organizers, the total costs will be something around 15000-20000 Euro.

It's an honor for them to have the opportunity to start at the world championships, and as they found a new sponsor during the season, they can cover those costs

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160913_02467721
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 29, 2016, 14:01
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/doha-world-championship-course-a-dream-for-chloe-hosking/
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 29, 2016, 15:54
15 for the mens and they Cyclingfever are correct some crazy teams
I remember having read at some point that #academy will participate.
They're not on the Cyclingfever startlist; I expect, nay hope, that there will be more teams announcing their participation in the coming days.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on September 29, 2016, 22:44
Soap opera or not - what's your opinion?

I would think Kristoff deserves leadership, with EBH to follow any dangerous moves in the final so that the other riders don't have to chase. And if that group makes it, EBH is surely one of the fastest in there.

The Doha course is more tactically locked than the one we had last year in Richmond. There are probably a lot of teams that would like the finale to end in a sprint. The bunch sprint scenario would be seen as the Kristoff scenario, but I don't think he will win a bunch sprint. He hasn't done so all year, at WT level there is the longest list of almosts and "won the sprint in the peloton" type performances. There are impressive stages ending in a 2nd both in Paris-Nice and in the Tour de France, but no wins.

Edvald Boasson Hagen, on the other hand,  has performed better this year than in the last few years, with a notable down after the TdF including absolutely nothing in the Olympics. He grabbed WT stage wins in the Criterium de Dauphiné and in the Eneco tour, and rode the best Paris Roubaix of his life. (I mention this because if is of utmost importance to Edvald personally: his personal goal is to win P-R.) He won the national championships, beating Kristoff in the finale by exploiting terrain (let's not forget that either, it is the closest to a mano a mano race they have come this year.)

I think the highest chances of a podium is with Kristoff, but the one more likely to win is Edvald. However, there is little use in consistent top 10 finishes at the worlds. What we want is rainbows - or bust! To win the race with Kristoff, we need to find a way to tire all the other sprinters. This might include riding hard in bordures in the desert, or sending VSL 15-20  minutes up the road :) .

I would like to mention there is a third guy who may be as fast as and sometimes faster than Kristoff in a sprint - but maybe not in a sprint after 260 km. I think Sondre Holst Enger is an outsider and may be our strongest card in a really messed up chaotic sprint - he's excellent at surfing wheels and getting the right positions all alone (although the master of the craft is probably Elia Viviani). It has been said that he is not seen as the leadout man for Kristoff (too small).

What I hope to see is that they improve on the decision making compared to last year, when Norway messed it up and lost a very probable medal by not making decisions in time. When it's all chaos the guy in front must be trusted  to make decisions.  Could it be we'll get the attacking Kristoff instead of the sprinter?

 






Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 30, 2016, 08:15
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/781753449725689856
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 30, 2016, 08:34
*ie

Elite Men
Sam Bennett (RR)
Matt Brammeier (RR)
Ryan Mullen (RR + TT)
Nicolas Roche (TT)
Elite Women
Anna Turvey (TT)
Jun Men
Jake Gray (RR)
Ronan Tuomey (RR + TT)
Xeno Young (RR +TT)
U23 Men
Eddie Dunbar (RR + TT)
Michael O’Loughlin (RR + TT)
Matthew Teggart (RR)
Daire Feeley (RR)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Capt_Cavman on September 30, 2016, 10:13
...the annual Aleksander vs Edvald debate is on!...
No debate in my head. @ 260km AK wins every time; I would love to be proved wrong but history doesn't favour EBH.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 30, 2016, 13:44
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/781753449725689856
Bit the same in Denmark. The elite riders are covered - except for ITT champion Martin Toft who has to pay his own airfares. So do the U23 & junior riders, including defending ITT #rainbow Mads Würtz.

Money isn't tight in DCU, it's non-existant.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 30, 2016, 16:26
And *de has decided to select neither Greipel nor Kittel - but both of them! :D

Shouldn't this German Fudge recipe be in the Kitchen thread instead.  :P

*ie

Jun Men

Xeno Young (RR +TT)


I saw this name pop-up during the Euro Championships in France the other week and I thought how the hell does an Irish lad end up with the name Xeno.

*does some research*

I didn't find out about the name, but it turns out he goes to my old school. :fp  :lol
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 01, 2016, 11:54
how the hell does an Irish lad end up with the name Xeno.
Maybe his parents are fans of JK Rowling and named the kid Xenophilius? :lol

I didn't find out about the name, but it turns out he goes to my old school. :fp  :lol
Nice. Go Xeno! :cool
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 01, 2016, 13:09
15 for the mens and they Cyclingfever are correct some crazy teams

[...]

STRADALLI - BIKE AID

confirmed now

http://www.bikeaid.de/en/racing/racing_article/title-stradalli_bike_aid_to_uci_road_world_championships_in_doha/article-57ef66caa02c6

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 01, 2016, 21:31
You go girls!  *no  *no  *no

https://twitter.com/Karl_Lima_Hitec/status/782306465218428928
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 03, 2016, 19:48
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-ready-to-shorten-road-races-in-extreme-heat-at-world-championships/
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 04, 2016, 07:35
https://twitter.com/dohanews/status/783185105565036544
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 04, 2016, 07:46
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/782615666251694081
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 04, 2016, 07:51
Mens and Womens TTT Start list (http://www.uci.ch/road/ucievents/2016-road-uci-road-world-championships/111129016/widgets/entries-start-lists-results-179892/)

Doha World Technical Guide ~pdf  (http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/News/17/99/13/UCI_GUIDETECHN_CMR2016_GB-web_English.pdf)

Course

(http://www.dohacycling2016.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/team-time-trial-women-and-men.jpg)

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 05, 2016, 09:26
https://twitter.com/cyclingbetting/status/783582388848689152
https://twitter.com/cyclingbetting/status/783582630029643780
https://twitter.com/cyclingbetting/status/783582785806086145
https://twitter.com/cyclingbetting/status/783583049757765632
https://twitter.com/cyclingbetting/status/783583573676740608
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 05, 2016, 10:17
Well, I have to say that my sympathy is rather limited. If you can afford to live on The Pearl, you won't be used to any discomfort.
Not saying this couldn't have been handled better ... but rich Arabs or expats buying luxury property on an artificial island can do one.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 05, 2016, 12:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NKxB-7S2P8
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 05, 2016, 21:42
Mens and Womens TTT Start list (http://www.uci.ch/road/ucievents/2016-road-uci-road-world-championships/111129016/widgets/entries-start-lists-results-179892/)

Not a complete list though? No Cycling Academy on that pdf, but they still think they're competing.

Quote from: Cycling Academy
The Viking Mihkel Räim Official was our first rider to land in Doha a few hours ago to prepare for our world championship TTT this Sunday.

Rest of our riders including Israeli champion Guy Sagiv and Aviv Yecheskel will be landing in the coming days .

Take a look at the postcards that the Viking sent us from his first training. "It took about 30 min before the water in my bottle started boiling״...
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 05, 2016, 22:45
Not a complete list though? No Cycling Academy on that pdf, but they still think they're competing.
Maybe the sheikhs had something against an *il team competing, and the UCI 'forgot' to relay that? :shh
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 06, 2016, 08:24
https://twitter.com/bikeGEEEEKS/status/783930346651938816
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 06, 2016, 10:09
 Eurosport UK

Eurosport

Sunday October 9
0820-1015 LIVE women’s team time-trial on Eurosport 2
1330-1430 Women’s team time-trial highlights on Eurosport 2
1600-1800 LIVE Men’s team time-trial on Eurosport 2
2030-2130 Men’s team time-trial highlights on Eurosport 2

Monday October 10
0920-1415 LIVE U23 time-trial on Eurosport 2
2000-2135 U23 time-trial highlights on Eurosport 2

Tuesday October 11
1105-1455 LIVE women’s time-trial on Eurosport 2
1730-1845 Women’s time-trial highlights on Eurosport 1

Wednesday October 12
1135-1430 LIVE men’s time-trial on Eurosport 2
1730-1845 Men’s time-trial highlights on Eurosport 1

Thursday October 13
1730-1845 U23 road race on Eurosport 1

Saturday October 15
1300-1445 LIVE women’s road race on Eurosport 2
1530-1845 Women’s road race highlights on Eurosport 1

Sunday October 16
1730-1915 Men’s road race highlights on Eurosport 1


Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/uci-road-world-championships-2016-tv-guide-288593#waEVcdk5ude1mmlR.99
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 06, 2016, 11:09
https://twitter.com/UCIDoha2016/status/783971054591041536

Fus will luv that  :D
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 07, 2016, 15:58
found this wind forecast site https://www.windfinder.com/weather-maps/forecast/qatar#7/25.322/51.197 and Knots to km/h converter http://weather.org/conversion.htm
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 08, 2016, 10:09
https://twitter.com/JoshJEvans/status/784674732343959552
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 09, 2016, 08:59

Sunday October 9
0820-1015 LIVE women’s team time-trial on Eurosport 2


Is this right or is it now later in the day?
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 09, 2016, 09:01
starts at 13:10 cest, so it can't be right
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 09, 2016, 09:43
Yeah must have been the original plan until only 13 mens and 8 women's teams turned up so all same 2 hour block
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 09, 2016, 17:33
Pretty brutal TTT that.

Hats of Etixx and Boels.

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 09, 2016, 20:13
https://twitter.com/jcastroviejo/status/785140105736495104

Ignoring the first split, they would have finished just behind the Ogres.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 09, 2016, 22:12
Did anyone see the sitation with   #raboliv Rabo-Liv rider Anouska Koster?

Here's a tweet with a video of the situation:
https://twitter.com/NOSsport/status/785096595557810176

My question, how do you interpret what happens when she tries to get on the bike again? Is it just her being disoriented, or does the guy who comes running up to her force her off the bike. It looks to me like he's laying it down when she tries to stand up?
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 09, 2016, 22:28
For those complaining about the heat, have you considered that the temperatures during the Tour and the Vuelta are sometimes as high as they were in Doha today and that similar temperatures are known from both Los Angeles,  Atlanta GA , and Athens (in Greece, not GA :) )in August, when they hosted the Olympics?
I have to say I recall some less pretty sights from the LA olympics, but Atlanta should normally be worse due to high humidity.

By the way, in TTT it would still be fair competition if they had mandatory stop & drink at the intermediate time checks. I am not really serious about that but in Rio de Janeiro they play football in 4 quarters instead of 2 halfs in the state championships, which are run in summer months, with temperatures sometimes up to 38-40 degrees. I found that quite extreme just sitting in the shade watching, but as long as the air is dry at least you get to cool  a little by sweating. I wonder if part of the problem is humidity not temperature. The sea around the pearl was visibly steaming and the shadows were long hinting at that the temperatures might already have been dropping (which raises relative humidity, makes sweating less effective for cooling down.)

 
 

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: AG on October 10, 2016, 00:30
yes T-72 the humidity is most definitely an issue.

40 degrees in Perth or LA or France is very different to 40 degrees in Qatar.   its hot and humid and oppressing in a way the body just cannot deal with.

To give you an idea - on the Tour or on any of the other races there are plenty of people on the roadside ... but in Qatar there is no one.  Its not because they dont care about cycling (they dont but they would come and watch anyway just because its there) but because the heat is so horrible that no one wants to be out in it. 

Heatstroke is going to be an issue for the road race - whatever the distance
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 10, 2016, 08:18
 It looked to me as if Anouska Koster may have blacked out on the bike, thus hitting the barriers.
Riders were reporting temperatures as high as 43C.
The problem in Doha for me is that a large proportion of competitors are not season old pros, but young lads and girls.
The won't have the experience to manage their effort in these conditions and are more susceptible to it's effects.

The other thing that concerned me was that Kirby (OK not exactly a reliable source) gave the distance for the men's road race, should the extreme weather protocol be enforced.
The figure he gave over the air was just 102kms. What sort of distance is that, to decide who gets to wear the  #rainbow for a year?
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2016, 08:49
It looked to me as if Anouska Koster may have blacked out on the bike, thus hitting the barriers.
Riders were reporting temperatures as high as 43C.
The problem in Doha for me is that a large proportion of competitors are not season old pros, but young lads and girls.
The won't have the experience to manage their effort in these conditions and are more susceptible to it's effects.

The other thing that concerned me was that Kirby (OK not exactly a reliable source) gave the distance for the men's road race, should the extreme weather protocol be enforced.
The figure he gave over the air was just 102kms. What sort of distance is that, to decide who gets to wear the  #rainbow for a year?

yep the 102 km is the shortened race for the mens
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 10, 2016, 08:49
https://twitter.com/jcastroviejo/status/785140105736495104

Ignoring the first split, they would have finished just behind the Ogres.

yep - and talking about split times... :win

TEAMINT 1INT 2FIN
1ETIXX 15:11.52 (1) <-12:45.22 (2)->27:56.74 (1) <-14:35.65 (1)->42:32.39
2BMC 15:14.76 (2) <-12:42.05 (1)->27:56.81 (2) <-14:47.27 (2)->42:44.08
3ORICA 15:27.89 (6) <-12:50.85 (3)->28:18.74 (3) <-14:50.77 (4)->43:09.51
4SKY15:17.19 (3) <-13:03.03 (6)->28:20.22 (4) <-15:06.45 (6)->43:26.67
5JUMBO 15:24.35 (4) <-13:01.14 (5)->28:25.49 (5) <-15:01.69 (5)->43:27.18
6MOVISTAR15:56.99 (9) <-12:57.04 (4)->28:54.03 (7) <-14:49.38 (3)->43:43.41
7GIANT 15:24.80 (5) <-13:11.74 (7)->28:36.54 (6) <-15:22.15 (7)->43:58.69
8KATUSHA 15:41.80 (8) <-13:23.73 (8)->29:05.53 (8) <-15:28.21 (8)->44:33.74
9ASTANA 15:37.76 (7) <-13:31.76 (9)->29:09.52 (9) <-15:44.33 (9)->44:53.85
10VERANDA'S 16:06.98 (11) <-14:04.59 (12)->30:11.57 (11) <-16:00.28 (10)->46:11.85
11AG2R  15:58.30 (10) <-13:57.16 (10)->29:55.46 (10) <-16:20.33 (13)->46:15.79
12CAT16:53.26 (15) <-13:59.58 (11)->30:52.84 (13) <-16:04.38 (11)->46:57.22
13CCC . 16:34.79 (12) <-14:09.92 (13)->30:44.71 (12) <-16:13.85 (12)->46:58.56
14KOLSS 16:39.13 (13) <-14:21.89 (14)->31:01.02 (14) <-16:35.82 (14)->47:36.84
15SKYDIVE* 16:48.12 (14) <-14:35.88 (15)->31:24.00 (15) <-16:52.44 (15)->48:16.44
16VINO 4-EVER 16:57.82 (16) <-15:02.31 (16)->32:00.13 (16) <-17:03.47 (16)->49:03.60
17STRADALLI 17:20.52 (17) <-15:30.65 (17)->32:51.17 (17) <-17:05.09 (17)->49:56.26

*2nd split handstopped
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2016, 08:52
Jnr womens ITT

1 Swinkels 18'21 *nl
2 Morzenti 18'29 *it
3 Labous 18'43 *fr
4 Schneider 18'51 *usa
5 Arensman 18'55 *usa
6 Brausse 18'56, *de
7 Eg 19'00, *dk
8 Vigilia *it
9 Fasnact *au
10 Pirrone *it
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 10, 2016, 10:13
My question, how do you interpret what happens when she tries to get on the bike again? Is it just her being disoriented, or does the guy who comes running up to her force her off the bike. It looks to me like he's laying it down when she tries to stand up?
I've read that the DS made her stop. Probably for her own good.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 10, 2016, 10:16
The other thing that concerned me was that Kirby (OK not exactly a reliable source) gave the distance for the men's road race, should the extreme weather protocol be enforced.
The figure he gave over the air was just 102kms. What sort of distance is that, to decide who gets to wear the  #rainbow for a year?
yep the 102 km is the shortened race for the mens
I can't find it right now, but I read an article on Saturday that the road race would not be shortened by that much. If they cut the desert loop, they would add laps on The Pearl.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2016, 13:41
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuaDubEXYAA9TIw.jpg)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2016, 13:47
Medal Tally /gm /sm /bm
1 *de Germany 11
2 *nl Holland 1
3 *it Italy1
4 *fr France1
4 *au Australia1
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 10, 2016, 14:06
Heat not getting any better That Callum Scotsman blow out was impressive
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 10, 2016, 14:27
The UCI has presented a new ITT #rainbow rainbow jersey:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuaKogyWIAA5EPN.png)




;)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 10, 2016, 21:15
.... If they cut the desert loop, they would add laps on The Pearl.

OK, then the logic is not to cut distance to reduce fatigue, but to run the race where help is close at hand. That is actually not a bad idea. Maybe install ice box crash pads on the outside bends too  :lol
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: pastronef on October 10, 2016, 21:52
https://www.twitter.com/gavinmannion/status/785570927119626240
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 10, 2016, 22:03
A diplomatic crisis between Quatar and Norway was averted today because the cycling fan known as T-72 was NOT in the country at the time when some random Quatari official with a uniform drove his car into Susanne Andersen's bike from behind, and then reportedly walked out of the car and lit a cigarette. IF the cycling fan had been in the country, it is probable that T-72 would have been used to one of the few things T-72s are good for, namely FLATTEN THAT CAR WITH THE F!"#%"#% RETARDED DRIVER INSIDE  :angry :angry :angry :angry :angry. If that was the Quatari chief of staff, so #¤%/Y¤#% be it.

Susanne thinks she will be ok and start the road race. Her bike is broken.
The first Quatari - Norwegian war won't start for maybe one more year, but if  mr offical asshole  shows up in Bergen next year it might not be possible to avoid it anymore...

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 10, 2016, 22:34
The first Quatari - Norwegian war won't start for maybe one more year, but if  mr offical asshole  shows up in Bergen next year it might not be possible to avoid it anymore...
Since Mr Official Asshole is apparently a local Qatari police officer (with blatant disregard of both cyclists and women), the risk of him turning up in Bergen is pretty low. ;)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: DJW on October 10, 2016, 22:44
https://twitter.com/ryanmullen9/status/785420760110235648
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Ram on October 11, 2016, 05:43
^Wonder how long hehad a car to draft.

I think there's one key difference  between the heat in Spain and the heat in the middle east, and that's the perception among fans. The latter tends to get a lot more heat from them.

Qatar is not humid. Not in the day anyway. This is a regular feature in day night cricket matches in Asia.  think Mellow's regarding experience point is very valid. We'll see over the next couple of days how the more experienced riders handle the heat.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on October 11, 2016, 10:28
Finally caught up with the TTT last night on TV.

Underwhelming comes to mind.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 11, 2016, 10:40
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuejzwuW8AAJ8DI.jpg)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 11, 2016, 10:43
after Jnr mens ITT

Medal Tally /gm /sm /bm
1 *de Germany 11
2 *usa USA11
3 *nl Holland 1
4 *it Italy1
5 *fr France1
5 *au Australia1
5 *dk Denamrk1
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 11, 2016, 11:33
^Wonder how long hehad a car to draft.
The ambulance was there for maybe 20-30 seconds.
It wasn't optimal, and it definitely shouldn't have been there, but I think it didn't influence the race much.
Mathis is a very strong rider, won all the endurance disciplines at the German track champs, a.o. beating Roger Kluge in the IP. He hasn't deserved to be painted as "the guy who only won due to drafting".
Even if without having possibly gotten an advantage from drafting (and, like I said, I don't think he did), he would still have finished on the podium.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 11, 2016, 14:24
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CufXLnzXgAE4Y0J.jpg)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 11, 2016, 14:27
Medal Tally /gm /sm /bm
1 *usa USA21
2 *de Germany 11
2 *nl Holland 11
4 *it Italy1
5 *au Australia2
6 *fr France1
6 *dk Denamrk1

after Womens ITT
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 11, 2016, 22:45
There are some not so pretty results from heat exhaustion to be seen in the shorter races we have seen so far. The road races must take the heat into account (although I think the weather forecast looks better).  Either go slower, or go shorter. I hope helicopter evacuation is an option if someone collapses 70 km out in the desert.
I honestly admit I may have underestimated the heat - frostbite and hypothermia may be preferable after all. The effect seems harder on the younger riders, perhaps they are less aware of the signals or more willing to push themselves despite signs of danger. The problem is if many riders in the  RR simultaneously drive themselves  to a state of dehydration and heat exhaustion  - how large is the capacity to treat these conditions? In the desert, they will need to be evacuated into a cool environment somewhere, reasonably quick, and the distances are considerable - at least for the men's RR.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 11, 2016, 23:06
There are some not so pretty results from heat exhaustion to be seen in the shorter races we have seen so far. The road races must take the heat into account (although I think the weather forecast looks better).  Either go slower, or go shorter.
The problem with "go slower" is that the riders make the race. And they're unlikely to go slower just because it would be prudent to do so; on the contrary.

I really, really hope that the exhaustion we've seen so far will be the worst casualty we'll have during this Worlds week. :(
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 11, 2016, 23:22
The problem with "go slower" is that the riders make the race. And they're unlikely to go slower just because it would be prudent to do so; on the contrary.

I really, really hope that the exhaustion we've seen so far will be the worst casualty we'll have during this Worlds week. :(

Personally, the hottest day I ever experienced was in  Arizona, so I shouldn't be too surprised that  "Heat native" *usa Brandon McNulty is victorious in Doha. There may be some advantages with familiarity with the weather:
Quote
"It was definitely toasty out, but my hometown is Phoenix, Arizona"
:D
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Ram on October 12, 2016, 07:03
Might I add just one point, most riders have been preparing for the heat of racing in Qatar by racing in the late September, early October chill of Europe. That's not perfect preparation to say the least.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 12, 2016, 07:16
it depends I think, the Canyon SRAM girls for example arrived 1 1/2 weeks before the start, as it (according to the team) takes 8-9 days for the body to adopt with the conditions. Not everyone has the opportunity to do that of course, or to do a training camp in Oman like the Dutch girls, but we need to keep in mind that most of those who had severe problems so far were basically "amateurs".

Sure, some people can cope better with the heat than others, but generally I think it won't be much of a problem for the men's elite race - and all the others aren't that long anyway
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 12, 2016, 08:07
The problem with "go slower" is that the riders make the race. And they're unlikely to go slower just because it would be prudent to do so; on the contrary.

I really, really hope that the exhaustion we've seen so far will be the worst casualty we'll have during this Worlds week. :(

 I think our experience of watching hot, flat Vuelta stages in Southern Spain suggests that the riders will indeed "go slower" for much of the race.
I would not at all be surprised for Sunday's event to take well over 7 hours to complete, should it be the full course.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 12, 2016, 10:03
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/world-championships-fifth-for-van-vleuten-a-miracle-after-broken-vertebrae/
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 12, 2016, 14:05
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 12, 2016, 14:21
Medal Tally /gm /sm /bm
1 *de Germany 21
2 *usa USA21
3 *nl Holland 11
4 *it Italy1
4 *by Belarus1
6 *au Australia2
7 *fr France1
7 *dk Denamrk1
7 *es Spain1

after the ITTs
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 12, 2016, 14:44
https://twitter.com/xavierdisley/status/786192632200372224
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on October 12, 2016, 14:55
Been an odd worlds so far for me.

Feels pretty low key.

Good win for Tony though, going to seem weird him not in a Quickstep rainbow skin suit next year though.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 12, 2016, 16:53
Talking of the lack of crowds, Yorkshire gets the 2019 Worlds. :D
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: pastronef on October 12, 2016, 17:12
Talking of the lack of crowds, Yorkshire gets the 2019 Worlds. :D

it will be amazing to see the hundred thousands of people on the course.

one of the few right choices made by the UCI
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 12, 2016, 17:16
it will be amazing to see the hundred thousands of people on the course.

one of the few right choices made by the UCI

sure will be crowds how much will it cost to have barriers for 254 km :lol
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: zinoviev letter on October 12, 2016, 18:38
Outstanding ride by Ryan Mullen. He's been touted as a big TT prospect all through the age group ranks, so it's great to see him up with the big boys in the discipline, fifth in his first elite WC TT. He was still eligible to ride as an U23, I think, certainly he is well under 23 but I'm slightly confused by the new eligibility rules for U23s with pro contracts.

He's actually had a quiet neopro year up until this. He even got beaten by Roche and Eddie Dunbar in the Irish TT championships. Whatever about Roche, he really shouldn't be losing to Dunbar. Dunbar is a surprisingly good TTer for a midget climber (he came 9th in the U23s TT Worlds the other day), but Mullen has basic physical advantages over him and is just better at the discipline. Great to see him get back on course.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 12, 2016, 19:10
He was still eligible to ride as an U23, I think, certainly he is well under 23 but I'm slightly confused by the new eligibility rules for U23s with pro contracts.
He was still eligible for U23, yes.

It's really surprisingly simple: Anyone with a "cycling age" of 22 or less (so, for 2016, born in or after 1994) can enter U23 Worlds (and U23 Nations Cup races), pro contract or not. :)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: zinoviev letter on October 12, 2016, 20:40
He was still eligible for U23, yes.

It's really surprisingly simple: Anyone with a "cycling age" of 22 or less (so, for 2016, born in or after 1994) can enter U23 Worlds (and U23 Nations Cup races), pro contract or not. :)

But is there not also a rule that you aren't eligible if you've previously entered an elite WC? And can you ride the elite TTT and the u23 ITT?
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 12, 2016, 21:13
But is there not also a rule that you aren't eligible if you've previously entered an elite WC?
Yes, there is; very well remembered. :cool

And can you ride the elite TTT and the u23 ITT?
Apparently you can.
There are only provisions for former participants of the elite RR to start the U23 RR or former participants of the elite ITT to start the U23 ITT. So you could, in theory, enter the elite ITT (but not the RR) in one year and still be eligible for the U23 RR (but not the ITT) the next year.
You could even enter the U23 ITT and the elite RR (or the elite ITT and the U23 RR) in the same year! :lol
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 12, 2016, 22:34
Was it just me who noticed many riders had trouble with cycling straight today? Would be interesting to see the differences in measured length, even if that is clearly not the key to Tony Martin's big win today. Hats off!


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Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 13, 2016, 08:26
some more about riders struggling with the heat, from Norwegian press, basically agreeing to what I said the other day, that it's mainly a problem of a lack of professionalism

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According to the Norwegians have really riders who have collapsed and been carried away only themselves to blame.

- I think it's about poor preparation. That is my opinion. I do not know what they've done, but I saw few U23- and junior riders at the airport when I arrived last Tuesday. Coming the day before competition, then you have a problem. In any case, whether you come from Northern Europe, and it is not so hot in Southern Europe now that you are acclimatized when you come here. So it requires an effort. But it's too expensive for associated travel here and be here long. So one must weigh the bit and cons. But there is also a lot you can do at home. But the fact that people collapsing ... I think it's because of some poor preparation.

It believes Amund Grondahl Jansen - one of the big outsiders at U23 mass start Thursday.

Ole Forfang, now recovered from severe stomach cramps on Monday and Tuesday, agrees.

- It's probably more that they have prepared themselves poor. Are you a little bad to drink in a training, for example, so know one very. We've been down here a long time now because of the heat. If we just drink enough nor enough water whatsoever, so is not really heat such a big problem. Are you a little careless, so it can go bad.

- Is Norway better prepared than others?

- In the U23 side we are probably better prepared. Among the pros, there are plenty pretty similar, but there are many Under-23 nations that have not made the same preparations in the heat as we have.

While most Norwegian riders have been in Qatar for over a week already, it is far from everyone else who is equally early.

The French senior riders, for example, does not come to Doha until late Wednesday night - and that despite the fact that they, among other things with the big favorites Nacer Bouhanni and Arnaud Démare the squad.

Junior riders were not in place long before the competition either, which perhaps explains how this year's European champion in pace, Alexys Brunel managed to be number 34 on Tuesday.

Kristoffer Halvorsen, one of gold favorites on Thursday, agrees with his colleagues on the Norwegian team.

- I also think it's about that one is ill prepared. It's hot, but do you do things right in advance, then it goes here very well.

...although EBH yesterday still finished way down the order in the time trial as he suffered from the heat :D. But well, that's a different story I guess - he wasn't able to show his potential, but (as far as I know) his health was not at risk
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 13, 2016, 08:31
https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/786467418088452096
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on October 13, 2016, 13:30
Explains a lot...
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 13, 2016, 13:55
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Echoes on October 13, 2016, 16:08
Has it been said that each rider are provided "ice-vest"?

The Gazet van Antwerpen showed a picture of Victor Campenaerts on their front page with such a vest on. Each rider also has 18 bidons...


(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/256324CampenaertsGvA20161013.png)

According to the Belang van Limburg, it comes from clothing manufacturer "Bioracer", a Limburgish company. Raymond Verstraeten, CEO of Bioracer explains that it is a kind of synthetic towel - Intercooler Top -  in the undershirt which once it's humid keeps the body temperature cool. the vest is put in iced water just before the start. It can be reactivated during the race by bidons.

Three Etixx rider raced with it during the TTT. Martin wasn't one of them but in the meantime he got one for the ITT.

Peter Hespel is an effort physiologist who is not surprised at the display shown by riders cooked by the sun and expects a lot more victims.

Riders in Doha are sweating more than normal whereby the blood volume lowers down. Their heart pumps less blood per minute and in the end their heart beat and blood pressure drop. Riskier is overheating. The body temperature can go well beyond 37°C. As a consequence the brains may be hit and the body thermostat as well. The rider then stops sweating and loses drink stimulus. He then gets a heat stroke whereby his coordination ability gets lost and he gets disoriented. If you don't look out, the Tom Simpson scenario is possible, he warns.  :o

If the UCI keep their project, the men are racing 253k and women 138k. "Absurdity" says Hespel "Judging from what we saw during the ITT, it can only get worse in the in-line race. The riders who will have to retire from the race after they had put their leader in front might get saved but for those who have to give themselves out, the heat-exhaustion lays on the lurk."

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/327883wkBELANG201610132.png)

Van Avermaet said he can handle that heat (front page of the Belang van Limburg)

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The front page of the Belang's sport extra features a bbig picture of Tony Martin of course and also the headline: "Riders are cooked by the heat"

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/605431wkBELANG20161013.png)

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 13, 2016, 22:12

Warning: below post might be suffering from the biased point of view of the poster.  :-x


Sorry for calling in late, I had to see this for myself.
1) Norway was handed the full responsibility in the peloton for 60-70% of the way.
2) Norway had a full team where everyone was in good shape and completed their tasks very well.
3) Norway had the best sprinter.

When UCI hands you a flat course that's how you squeeze a victory out of it: make the race and take the race. Any complaints?

 *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no  *no 

JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 14, 2016, 08:28
https://twitter.com/UCIWomenCycling/status/786830719477805056

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CutjFjeWIAA5u6n.jpg)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 14, 2016, 08:46
Medal Tally /gm /sm /bm
1 *de Germany 2 2 0
2 *usa USA 2 1 1
3 *it Italy 1 1 1
4 *nl Netherlands 1 1 0
5 *no Norway 1 0 1
6 *by Belarus 0 1 0
6 *dk Denmark 0 1 0
8 *au Australia 0 0 2
9 *es Spain 0 0 1
9 *fr France 0 0 1

after the jnr womens
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Echoes on October 14, 2016, 11:47
Enzo Wouters aged 20 is the second Belgian rider hit by the heat.  :(

Again he started to hyper-ventilating, that was with 3k to go, reached the finish with foam on the mouth, panted for breath. On the line he just left his bike. Afterwards he does not remember what went on.

Doc Kris Van der Mieren said that the problem with Enzo is that he had to race one lap and a half without drinking. It's not easy to give a bidon to a rider in the finale. Enzo got an infustion and got his senses back immediately.

Doctor forbade Jasper Philipsen to race today. Jasper wanted to and felt like he could. He did everything he could to persuade the doc. Personally I'm relieved. I understand that a young kid like him is eager to race but it was a wise decision by the doc. I would be worried if he were racing. 

Doc:
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I wouldn't let my children ride and so I don't let Jasper do it.

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Belang van Limburg

In the Nieuwsblad, Enzo admitted making a mistake to race through. At the end he felt really stuffy. And he was told that his body temperature was 40°C  :o Jean-Pierre Dubois, national coach for U23 said he was for a little while unconscious. He tried to keep standing but fell in the arms of soigneurs and was transported in an ambulance.

It's also been said that in the feed zone many riders missed the bidons. Feeding would be crucial during the pro races.

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/997753ENZOWOUTERSNIEUWSBLAD201610143.png)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Havetts on October 14, 2016, 12:28
Still havent watched a single second of footage out of principle, its a disgrace that its even hosted there... Money talks  bullsh*t walks.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 14, 2016, 12:30
It's also been said that in the feed zone many riders missed the bidons. Feeding would be crucial during the pro races.
This is the main concern I have.
If they're racing not 3-4 hours, but 6-7 hours, the problem will become bigger. :(
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 14, 2016, 14:22


Medal table after the MJ road race:
Medal Tally /gm /sm /bm
1 *de Germany 2 3 0
2 *usa USA 2 1 1
3 *it Italy 1 1 1
4 *dk Denmark 1 1 0
4 *nl Netherlands 1 1 0
6 *no Norway 1 0 1
7 *by Belarus 0 1 0
8 *au Australia 0 0 2
9 *ch Switzerland 0 0 1
9 *es Spain 0 0 1
9 *fr France 0 0 1
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 15, 2016, 08:58
Still havent watched a single second of footage out of principle, its a disgrace that its even hosted there... Money talks  bullsh*t walks.
There are a lot of allegations concerning corruption and bribes in the UCI related to the Quatar worlds, but I think it doesn't have to be that way at all. There is a much simpler explanation, the price tag for hosting the worlds is ridiculously high, and the Quataris (Quatars?) were the only ones that were prepared to pay the full price. Other host cities bargain with the UCI and pay less. I don't know (don't remember) the numbers but Bergen's applications did not have the budget for paying full price, and that is the norm. You never pay retail, if you are buying a cycling championship- unless you're from Arabia.

However, there is a huge difference between a competitive bidding process in which money is the only criterion that is being considered, and corruption. If it was corruption you'd blame both parties, but for the poorly designed process of selecting the next location for the world championship, the responsibility is with UCI alone. They should have some filters applies before it comes to the bidding: "is there a cycling club in your country", "have you seen a cycling fan before", "do you have a national championship, for how many years?" "What does a hill look like ?" Etc :)
Hopefully the money UCI earns from the oversize Arabian host fee payment will be spent on something useful for the sport. From a sporting perspective I am ambivalent despite Norwegian medals: these races lack something we had in Firenze, Pontferrada and Richmond - and most recently, in Rio.
I don't think cycling really needs the world championships in the years with Olympic Games. The Olympics make the world championship a secondary event, of less sporting value. If you agree to that perspective, then you can maybe also see the point that selling that second-rate product to a party that is willing to pay full price is probably an exceptional business deal for the UCI. One does not need to invoke corruption to explain it.
As for the sporting perspective, I think there is a positive long term effect: the worlds in Bergen next year will be better - as more of the best racers will make it a top priority, compared to this year, when many prioritized the Olympics. Come see it for yourselves :)


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Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Echoes on October 15, 2016, 11:01
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From yesterday's De Morgen

Greg Van Avermaet can become World Champion next Sunday. He even has a concrete plan but he won’t say more. The only thing we know for sure is that training mate Oliver Naesen will play a crucial role in it but even the accomplice will shut up like a dead.

You are both part of “De Parelvissers” (“The Pearl Fishers”), a band of riders from the Waasland and the area of the Dender River who go training together. Have you learn to know each other from there?

Van Avermaet nodding: I’ve founded the “Parelvissers” along with my cousins Matthias and Thomas Ongena. In the meantime we’ve forgotten about where the name “Parelvissers” came from but it’s a fun way to train. We are a roughly 10-man band, a fun band. Four years ago Matthias asked whether Oliver could get along in an Ardennes weekend, our fixed rendezvous to finish the season. I didn’t know him but I agreed to it.

Naesen: I had a good welcome and we got along very well right away. I was no pro yet back then but I’ve kept training along and never missed a day.

You do have very different characters, don’t you? Oliver is the talkative parrot while Greg is more introvert. Is that correct?

Greg: There aren’t so many differences but Ollie is more social than I am, yeah.

Ollie: I’m a bit more extravert. If something is sticking to my throat, I have to vent it out.

Like after the Eurometropole Tour? You called Dylan Groenewegen villainous [actually not him, but what happened], retarded and moronic after a sprint incident. Greg doesn’t even dare to think of such things.

Greg: Thinking about it, I do. But it’s true I would never say it. I’m a bit more quiet but I would also have been angry if I were him. If you sprint for the win and you are pushed to the barriers, you are furious.

Ollie: My problem was not the win. It was very dangerous. At 65kmh I landed in the gutter and even had to jump over a block of concrete in a 1mm thick jersey and with a plastic helmet. I read that I’m a bad loser but that’s not true. I’m doing nothing but losing. If I crash there and break my wrist. Then I couldn’t have gone to the Worlds. That was the point.

You got a lot of support in the peloton. Edward Theuns named it the interview of the year.

Ollie: In Binche-Chimay-Binche (two days after the Eurometropole Tour, ed) teammates of Groenewegen’s came to me one by one and said “We may not say it loud but you are right”

Who is your favourite for Sunday?

Ollie: In my opinion it’s Greg. You cannot predict the wind but I’m assuming it can be a hard race.
Greg: I suspect the temperature won’t be a problem but I fear the sprinters will still be favoured. But who? I say Cavendish.

Ollie: But he hasn’t raced for long.

Greg: He still raced in Italy. Cavendish can race in echelons and is very fast. But After a hard race, You don’t know. Then there are chances. After a hard race I can beat anyone, even Cavendish.

You’ve never done that yet?

Greg: After 250k he also is no longer there anymore.

You rarely play hide-and-sneek. If you say you are tired, then it’s true, isn’t it?

Greg: Yeah in the meantime there’s been a lot to do about it but what should I say if I’m asked about it, lying?

Does a tired Van Avermaet have any chances at the Worlds?

Ollie: the Van Avermaet of Rio was also tired.

Greg: True. I had raced the Tour of France and the Classica San Sebastian. I was not super fresh but I was ready. Why these doubts? Look at my results. First in Montreal. 2nd in Quebec, 4th in the Tour of the Low Countries and 4th in Binche. Try to find somebody with better results in the last few months.

Is Oliver the man who can keep you from the wind like Maes will do with Boonen?

Greg: That’s been agreed with the national coach. Iljo Keisse will stay with me. I think Oliver can get deeper in the race. He must think further. He’s too good to sacrifice himself so early. If I got him newt to me in the final lap, then a lot is possible.

Tell us

Greg: I have something in mind but I won’t say it yet.

Do you know his plan?

Ollie (laughing his head off): I shut up.

Oliver, for you, it’s your first Worlds: it’s apparent how enthusiastic you are.

Ollie: I find it a real honour. We have a nice team to ride here. Look at the names: Boonen is the King of Qatar, Greg is along with Sagan the best rider in the world and all the domestiques have won something this year. We should do such Worlds more often.

You have no problem with secondary roles?

Ollie: A somebody should know his place. The best Naesen can still hardly reach the heels of the worst Van Avermaet.

You called yourself a lighter version of Van Avermaet.

Ollie: Greg light, even superlight. I’m trying to emulate his style but I’m far from being as good.

Greg, how nice is it to have with you a rider you can trust with your wallet?

Greg: That’s very important. Having a good mate in support is totally different from a passer-by who for a while comes to ride for you. Ollie gives me peace. I like having a team that is 100% behind me. That’s when I perform the best.

Ollie: For me the relationship is reversed. Greg inspires me. Training with the Olympic champion is a great incentive.

Greg: That works both ways. Ollie also makes me better. He pushes me in training. When he came for the first times in the Ardennes I knew immediately: this guy can do more. Normally if I attack there’s nobody left in my wheel but he was still in my wheel. I still remember I thought: “Jeez, this kid here can do things” [hard to translate, it’s dialect words]

We had thought that you would have pleaded for him in BMC.

Greg: I did. After the classics I said I wanted Ollie with us. “It’s good”, they said. “But you still need to wait a little bit.” I reiterated my request before the nats but they waited for too long (Naesen signed with AG2R last July, ed). Now they asked: “How stupid have we been?” It’s the most stupid thing they could have done and I also told them so. They then came up with a few other names but I don’t want to pick somebody like that. I praised Oliver because I was 100% sure he would have been an added-value. He can do more than those who are now along.

Ollie: I would really have liked to go to BMC but it didn’t seem to succeed. AG2R offered two years and sporting freedom: then you shouldn’t hesitate for too long. If you see where I was two or three years ago, then you won’t hear me complain.

The story goes that you went racing to get rid of hangovers.

Ollie: That’s over the top. I’ve been a student like everybody and went occasionally with friends to a football match and would drink a beer. I haven’t finished my studies and started working as a courier. 10 hour days. In that period all my spare time were dedicated to racing. A hard combo but I was rather good in kermesses and that’s how I got a contract with Topsport Vlaanderen.

Greg: He’s very good in local laps. Beware of him for next Sunday.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 15, 2016, 11:10
very interesting, thanks a lot. Although I personally think that Naesen has a bigger chance of winning than van Avermaet, flying a bit more under the radar - even if that chance is still slim of course
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 15, 2016, 11:51
There are a lot of allegations concerning corruption and bribes in the UCI related to the Quatar worlds, but I think it doesn't have to be that way at all. There is a much simpler explanation, the price tag for hosting the worlds is ridiculously high, and the Quataris (Quatars?) were the only ones that were prepared to pay the full price. Other host cities bargain with the UCI and pay less. I don't know (don't remember) the numbers but Bergen's applications did not have the budget for paying full price, and that is the norm. You never pay retail, if you are buying a cycling championship- unless you're from Arabia.
Only they paid the double price! :o
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 15, 2016, 14:38


Medal table after the WE road race:
Medal Tally /gm /sm /bm
1 *de Germany 2 3 0
2 *usa USA 2 1 1
3 *dk Denmark 2 1 0
4 *nl Netherlands 1 2 0
5 *it Italy 1 1 1
6 *no Norway 1 0 1
7 *by Belarus 0 1 0
8 *au Australia 0 0 2
9 *fi Finland 0 0 1
9 *ch Switzerland 0 0 1
9 *es Spain 0 0 1
9 *fr France 0 0 1
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 15, 2016, 14:40
Congratulations  *dk !


This leaves  *is as the only nordic country without a medal in this year's championships! (olympics and worlds).

By the way, it was a perfect race as a hangover cure :)

EDIT: Lukas beat me to it with the results table...media geeks!  :D
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 15, 2016, 14:46
This leaves  *is as the only nordic country without a medal in this year's championships! (olympics and worlds).
And it's likely to stay that way. :lol
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 15, 2016, 14:55
Congratulations  *dk !


This leaves  *is as the only nordic country without a medal in this year's championships! (olympics and worlds).



GB & Belgium also notable absentees... as yet...!!! :shh
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 15, 2016, 18:44
is has been a while... star ratings :win :win

*be Het Nieuwsblad

***** Greipel
**** Gaviria, Cavendish
*** Boonen, Sagan, Démare
** Kittel, Kristoff, Bouhanni, Matthews
* Viviani, Degenkolb, Groenewegen, GvA, Terpstra
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 15, 2016, 19:50
is has been a while... star ratings :win :win

*be Het Nieuwsblad

***** Greipel
**** Gaviria, Cavendish
*** Boonen, Sagan, Démare
** Kittel, Kristoff, Bouhanni, Matthews
* Viviani, Degenkolb, Groenewegen, GvA, Terpstra

Good pointers... I always get bent out of shape worrying that the winner will be a dud, not really fit to wear the bands, I know if you win you have earned them, but in this most inauspicious set of Champs races I am hopeful that a 'deserver' gets 12 months of bliss.  So for gentle arguments sake, for me, the above would fall into the following categories:

Well deserving of Perpetual Rainbow cuffs (obvs some are already owners): :cool
Greipel / Cav / Tomeke/ Sagan / GvA / Degenkolb (just)

Probably will elevate to that group in a few years but it is tooooooo soon: :shh
Gaviria, Bling, Groenewegen

The Rui Costa Partial Dud but better than Valverde group: ;)
Terps, Kitt, Demare

The Please please please dont let it be them for a variety of reasons group: :o
Kristoff / Bouh / Viv /


Fair comment?
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 15, 2016, 20:40

The Please please please let it be them for a variety of reasons group: :o
Kristoff Kristoff and only Kristoff!

Fair comment?

That was very nice of you Servais  :D


 :angel
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: zinoviev letter on October 15, 2016, 21:55
Good pointers... I always get bent out of shape worrying that the winner will be a dud, not really fit to wear the bands, I know if you win you have earned them, but in this most inauspicious set of Champs races I am hopeful that a 'deserver' gets 12 months of bliss.  So for gentle arguments sake, for me, the above would fall into the following categories:

Well deserving of Perpetual Rainbow cuffs (obvs some are already owners): :cool
Greipel / Cav / Tomeke/ Sagan / GvA / Degenkolb (just)

Probably will elevate to that group in a few years but it is tooooooo soon: :shh
Gaviria, Bling, Groenewegen

The Rui Costa Partial Dud but better than Valverde group: ;)
Terps, Kitt, Demare

The Please please please dont let it be them for a variety of reasons group: :o
Kristoff / Bouh / Viv /


Fair comment?

I am almost exactly opposite in my preferences: I want an underdog to win just about every race, and when it's a race where people get sniffy about "undeserving" winners, I slightly perversely want some random nobody to win. I'd quite enjoy the outrage if some third or fourth rank sprinter gets to wear the bands for year.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: pastronef on October 15, 2016, 22:57
me

riders I wish or not to win:

Viviani: yes just because he rides for Sky (if he rode for other teams I wouldnt care)

Nizzolo: strangely I cheer for an Italian, he´s had good form this autumn and rides for Trek.

Sagan: please no, no no no.

Kittel: no

Greipel: well, if a German has to win, I wish Greipel for sure

Demare: no

Bouhanni: yes, oh the outrage. and Cofidis is not invited to Japan Cup nor Abu Dhabi. I´d like to see how/if they can get a fast tracked wild card (mind, Etixx is not invited to both races either)

Bling: mmm, finally yes, even though he leaves Orica to go to Giant

Danny Van Poppel: yes, same reason as Viviani

Groenewegen: yes, Lotto-Jumbo need a big win

Cav: yes ohohoh!

Gaviria: no no

Kristoff: mmm, better than Sagan for sure

Stannard: I cant even think about that. it would be so fantastic and marvellous and.. well.. I´m dreaming

I forgot Boonen: same as what Slow Rider says. nothing against him. but lefevre and his fans...
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Slow Rider on October 15, 2016, 22:58
On today's women's race: Dideriksen is a surprising winner, nice to see a young talent announce herself in a big way like this. The Dutch controlled the race but made two small mistakes: letting Neben attack without any Dutch rider with her, and Wild going a bit too early. They missed 1 person in their train, despite a brilliant lead-out effort from Van Dijk in particular.

Some strange tactics from the riders from Italy and Germany, who both didn't really have a sprint favourite yet rode as though they had: very defensive, refusing to take over when following an attack. It was too bad, as that meant the Dutch and Neben were the only ones interested in making something out of this race, and those efforts were ultimately in vain. Australia and Belgium had a free ride until the finish, but I guess the race was harder than it looked because both Hosking and D'Hoore were nowhere near at the sprint.

Overall probably the worst women's WC RR I've ever seen. Pointless parcours, which really devalues the rainbow jersey. Not that Dideriksen is an unworthy winner - she was a worthy winner on an unworthy parcours.

Good pointers... I always get bent out of shape worrying that the winner will be a dud, not really fit to wear the bands, I know if you win you have earned them, but in this most inauspicious set of Champs races I am hopeful that a 'deserver' gets 12 months of bliss.  So for gentle arguments sake, for me, the above would fall into the following categories:

Well deserving of Perpetual Rainbow cuffs (obvs some are already owners): :cool
Greipel / Cav / Tomeke/ Sagan / GvA / Degenkolb (just)

Probably will elevate to that group in a few years but it is tooooooo soon: :shh
Gaviria, Bling, Groenewegen

The Rui Costa Partial Dud but better than Valverde group: ;)
Terps, Kitt, Demare

The Please please please dont let it be them for a variety of reasons group: :o
Kristoff / Bouh / Viv /


Fair comment?

I do like to see the rainbow jersey on a big rider, preferably either a GT contender or a cobbled classics contender. Seeing it on Cavendish or Kittel wouldn't feel right to me, but Greipel I do like and respect so I'm just a hypocrit. I would definitely prefer any random rider winning the jersey in an attack over a big name sprinter winning it though. Except that's definitely not going to happen, unfortunately.

And unlike you, I would love Valverde to win the rainbows before he retires. Besides Sagan there is not one rider more prominently present in the peloton throughout many different races - and different kinds of races - than Alejandro is. He would honour the jersey more than anyone.

Just please, anyone but Boonen. Nothing against the guy, but the Sporza commentators would be insufferable next spring.

And Lefevre would be happy. I hate it when Lefevre is happy.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: AG on October 16, 2016, 01:29
totally agree with everything SR said about the womens race.

I can only hope the mens race is an improvement (though in the last few years the womens race has been much better so its not looking promising)

I would really like Greipel to win it.  He is someone I have a huge amount of respect for, and who I would love to see wearing rainbows.

Otherwise - Cav and Sagan have had a turn, though both are good enough that I wouldnt be too upset.  I would be happy with Matthews just caus ... Aussie etc  :P


would prefer not
Kittel - just not quite there
Gaviria - not yet
Vivianni (though I dont mind him really)
Demare - after cheating to win MSR I dislike him
Bouhanni  :(

I would not like an outsider.  The rainbows are just too much.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 16, 2016, 06:37
more stars:

*it Gazzetta dello Sport

***** Sagan, Gaviria
**** Boonen, Bouhanni, Cav, Kittel, Kristoff
*** Demare, Greipel
** Groenewegen

Post Merge: October 16, 2016, 06:58
*fr l'Équipe

***** Greipel
**** Sagan
*** Cav, Boonen, Matthews
** Démare, Gaviria, Kittel, Kristoff
* Bouhanni, Groenewegen, GvA, Martin, Terpstra, EBH
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 16, 2016, 07:08
there was something about the distance as a factor in today's l'Équipe:

(http://i.imgur.com/X0QeIMY.png)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on October 16, 2016, 07:53
there was something about the distance as a factor in today's l'Équipe:

(http://i.imgur.com/X0QeIMY.png)

I've been wondering if the first part of the race before they reach the Pearl might be ridden so slowly the actual length of the race might not be as bigger factor as it sometimes might be.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 16, 2016, 08:01
nah, there's word that alliances have been made already, and teams like Belgium and the Netherlands will smash it from km 0

let's hope they really do  :)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on October 16, 2016, 08:25
nah, there's word that alliances have been made already, and teams like Belgium and the Netherlands will smash it from km 0

let's hope they really do  :)

Have just seen the forecast for the winds. Cross winds on the way out becoming crosstail for the way back to the pearl so if they're strong enough it could be interesting.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 16, 2016, 09:15
there was something about the distance as a factor in today's l'Équipe:

(http://i.imgur.com/X0QeIMY.png)

Very interesting reading! I always wanted better stats coverage for sprints and classics like there is for climbing times.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 16, 2016, 14:53


Worlds medal table:
Medal Tally /gm /sm /bm
1 *de Germany 2 3 0
2 *usa USA 2 1 1
3 *dk Denmark 2 1 0
4 *nl Netherlands 1 2 0
5 *it Italy 1 1 1
6 *no Norway 1 0 1
7 *sk Slovakia 1 0 0
8 *uk Great Britain 0 1 0
8 *by Belarus 0 1 0
10 *au Australia 0 0 2
11 *be Belgium 0 0 1
11 *fi Finland 0 0 1
11 *ch Switzerland 0 0 1
11 *es Spain 0 0 1
11 *fr France 0 0 1
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 16, 2016, 15:00
well, three former #rainbow World Champions were in the race - and all of them finished on the podium. So that's something at least :)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: pastronef on October 16, 2016, 15:36
that´s Tinkoff team for Abu Dhabi

who will give his place to Sagan?

151 CONTADOR, Alberto
152 BALLERINI, Davide
153 BAŠKA, Erik
154 HANSEN, Jesper
155 KOLAR, Michael
156 SAGAN, Juraj
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 16, 2016, 15:42
that´s Tinkoff team for Abu Dhabi

who will give his place to Sagan?

151 CONTADOR, Alberto
152 BALLERINI, Davide
153 BAŠKA, Erik
154 HANSEN, Jesper
155 KOLAR, Michael
156 SAGAN, Juraj
Big brother. Or Jesper Hansen.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: pastronef on October 16, 2016, 15:43
someone is not happy

https://www.twitter.com/2WheelTonio/status/787661380463779840
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: M Gee on October 16, 2016, 16:34
SAGANNNNN! 

How long has it been since somebody won 2 world champs?

How long since 2 in a ROW!

I was rooting for Cav, but Sagan, man, strong.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on October 16, 2016, 16:38
How long has it been since somebody won 2 world champs?

How long since 2 in a ROW!

9 Years
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on October 16, 2016, 16:41
In a sport that can sometimes have unexpected world champions its good to see that for the last 2 years the rider who I think is the best in the world is world champion and to do it in 2 different ways.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Echoes on October 16, 2016, 17:24
Had Cav won, pretty much everybody would have said it was a dull race but since it's colourful wheelying Sagan, it'as if it was the greatest race of the year. Last year he sucked wheels until the last 3k and this year until the last 200m.

I denounce this hypocrisy. Sagan won after sucking wheelsof domestiques all day long. We've got to admit it. Leezer would have been a worthier World Champion. I'm proud of my countrymen either, though tactically inept, they really worked hard all day long and should be rewarded for that more than the eventual winner. Props to Oliver, Jappe and Jens K. They are the true champions of the day (along with Van Aert & Van der Poel, of course).
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: benotti69 on October 16, 2016, 17:52
Cav made 2 errors. Not following Sagan or when he went left, he went left again instead of going through the gap in between Matthews and Boonen.

Getting old. :D


Kristoff had a great lead out by EBH. He didn't have the legs to come around his leadout man. Weak to blame EBH.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 16, 2016, 17:57
Had Cav won, pretty much everybody would have said it was a dull race but since it's colourful wheelying Sagan, it'as if it was the greatest race of the year.

well, I don't know, for me personally Cav or Sagan winning it didn't make a difference in regards of the quality of the race. And Belgium worked for a reduced bunch sprint all day, and they got what they wanted I think - just not the result they desired. And Cav and Sagan did their turns in the beginning at least
Title: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 16, 2016, 18:21
Kristoff had a great lead out by EBH. He didn't have the legs to come around his leadout man. Weak to blame EBH.

On the contrary, that leadout was only good on paper - in practice it was a giant flip-up. Edvald did not start his leadout where he should and then got in the way of Aleksander when he stalled. Not a good day on the job for either of them, and it's now aggravated by blaming each other in public.
I try to forget it and celebrate the stellar performance of Truls Korsæth. He was supposed to work in the first 150km but was the *no roadcaptain for 260 km. This is the second year in a row he rides very well in the worlds. Today he stepped up to the seniors and raced  like a seasoned pro.

That, and his teammate who won the U23 RR. #joker Joker-Byggtorget was the best team with *no riders, not #katusha or #didata. Aleksander Kristoff and Edvald Boasson Hagen need to talk to each other first and the press afterwards when racing for the same team. Today was a screw-up for both of them.


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Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 16, 2016, 20:02
 There was apparently a rather angry discussion on the Norwegian bus post race. Kristoff being very forthright...

Team Wales both flatted during the crosswinds. Must have been those extra round wheels.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 16, 2016, 20:21
There was apparently a rather angry discussion on the Norwegian bus post race. Kristoff being very forthright...

It is everywhere in national media, relieving some of the pressure from the johaug doping scandal...a good old fashioned boss rivalry, how pleasant.   :cool
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Slow Rider on October 16, 2016, 21:44
Had Cav won, pretty much everybody would have said it was a dull race but since it's colourful wheelying Sagan, it'as if it was the greatest race of the year. Last year he sucked wheels until the last 3k and this year until the last 200m.

I denounce this hypocrisy. Sagan won after sucking wheelsof domestiques all day long. We've got to admit it. Leezer would have been a worthier World Champion. I'm proud of my countrymen either, though tactically inept, they really worked hard all day long and should be rewarded for that more than the eventual winner. Props to Oliver, Jappe and Jens K. They are the true champions of the day (along with Van Aert & Van der Poel, of course).


Sagan did do a number of turns at the beginning, and his teammate did work as well but simply is less than half the rider someone like Stuyven is. I think Sagan personally did about as much as GVA and Boonen did: take some turns in the beginning and when it was necessary, and then leave it to the domestiques after. It's just that the Belgians had more riders who could work. Can't blame Sagan for being born in a nation that doesn't produce a lot of top cyclists.

The Belgian team did very well to make the race hard. However a small group sprint between Boonen and Cavendish and Sagan would always be very difficult, even after a tough race. They were the strongest and bravest team here, but maybe in hindsight should have done more to make the faster sprinters work.

Personally, I am happy with the winner. Sure Sagan didn't ride the most aggressive race ever, but he has been the best WC in living memory the past year so I'm happy for him to continue that another year. Going to take some doing to stop him taking a triple next year: any WC parcours made for Kristoff will be good for Sagan too.

Overall a much better WC than exected - that doesn't change based on who won in the end. Definitely not an all-time great, there was far too little action between km 150 and 20 for that, but an enjoyable race nonetheless.

It was a bit odd for me as I had to leave with about 50 km to go. I was driving to a family event and followed the last hour on the radio in the car. By the time I got there it was 10 km to go... So I just rode around in circles until the winner was announced. I've seen all corners of my grandfather's hometown now, but it was worth it :lol
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 16, 2016, 21:51
It was a bit odd for me as I had to leave with about 50 km to go. I was driving to a family event and followed the last hour on the radio in the car. By the time I got there it was 10 km to go... So I just rode around in circles until the winner was announced. I've seen all corners of my grandfather's hometown now, but it was worth it :lol
:lol :cool
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 16, 2016, 22:28
any WC parcours made for Kristoff will be good for Sagan too.

The WC parcours here (I live in Bergen) is not made for Kristoff. They'll go up Landåslien (re-named Mount Ulriken) way too many times for that. There is, however a flatter finish but it comes with some bends and little hills that make for attacks. I'd say more a course for GvA, Edvald Boasson Hagen, oh - and Peter Sagan, than one for Kristoff.  Rumours say they'll remove the buses so it will be a bit easier than this year  :)
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 16, 2016, 22:37
Rumours say they'll remove the buses so it will be a bit easier than this year  :)
Shame, a chaotic parcours with buses could work out in Kristoff's favour. :P
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 16, 2016, 22:48
I trust Peta Cavendish has put the best crokery safely away at home, he'll be hell for a while after that... Great podium though, the sight of those three will last longer than memories of the dreadful parcours, and complete lack of fans and atmosphere.

Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: M Gee on October 16, 2016, 23:26
I trust Peta Cavendish has put the best Crickery safely away at home, he'll be hell for a while after that... Great podium though, the sight of those three will last longer than memories of the dreadful parcours, and complete lack of fans and atmosphere.

Imagine that, gender equality has arrived. Cav throwing dishes!  :lol

I would have been yelling for Cav, had he taken it. Just think, tho, no matter which of the 3 took it, it would be a twofer.

Wikipedia has already been updated to reflect Sagan's win. Only 4 riders have ever gotten the rainbow stripes 3 times. Alfredo Binda ( ITA ) Rik Van Steenbergen ( BEL ) Eddy Merckx ( BEL ) Óscar Freire ( ESP ). Since Freire was riding in the dark era, I kinda mentally discount that accomplishment. Props to Freire tho, otherwise, as I recall liking him as a rider.

If Sagan makes it a hat trick next year, it will be the first ever. I think it is possible that Sagan has it in him to match Merckx as an all-time winner.

I haven't gotten to watch this race yet - I'll have to download it later. But I am sure going to. Sounds like it was MUCH less boring than predicted!
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: AG on October 17, 2016, 02:44
for what was going to be the worlds most boring bike race, it ended up being waaayyyy better than we could have expected.

The crosswinds made it good, Belgium made it a great race.  They worked incredibly hard in order to give Boonen a shot at it, and the old guy tried super hard to finish it.  Unfortunately he is just that bit too old to match it with Cav and Sagan.

Going in I (as always) was concerned that such a flat course could produce a super lame world champ.  That a 10km sprint at the end would not be selective enough to be worth of a world championship race.   But the way it unfold I was pretty happy - Anyone who could win that race is deserving of the stripes, and that is all we can really ask for.

No it didnt have the fans, or the atmosphere - but it did produce a good race after all so the UCI was pretty lucky really.

Props to Sagan - he rode very well.  He did work hard when he needed to, and had enough left to finish it off.  He was a great world champ this season and I am pretty happy that he retained his jersey.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Echoes on October 17, 2016, 08:57

Props to Sagan - he rode very well.  He did work hard when he needed to, and had enough left to finish it off.  He was a great world champ this season and I am pretty happy that he retained his jersey.

I thought you didn't like him?
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: AG on October 17, 2016, 10:17
I dont like him

But I recognize his talent.  And I have to give him credit for his WC year this year.  He won a monument, defended his Green Jersey and honored the WC jersey well.

I still think he is an arrogent egotistical jerk ... but he is a jerk with talent, and dual rainbows  :P
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Capt_Cavman on October 17, 2016, 11:58
Had Cav won, pretty much everybody would have said it was a dull race but since it's colourful wheelying Sagan, it'as if it was the greatest race of the year. Last year he sucked wheels until the last 3k and this year until the last 200m.

I denounce this hypocrisy. Sagan won after sucking wheelsof domestiques all day long. We've got to admit it. Leezer would have been a worthier World Champion. I'm proud of my countrymen either, though tactically inept, they really worked hard all day long and should be rewarded for that more than the eventual winner. Props to Oliver, Jappe and Jens K. They are the true champions of the day (along with Van Aert & Van der Poel, of course).

I couldn't disagree with you more. Belgium and to a lesser extent Italy and Norway decided what kind of race it was going to be, a sprint. Why? only they know as none of them had a winning sprinter. As soon as Degenkolb pulled out, the need to pull on the front disappeared, Cav and Sagan sat at the back as if to say, "Do what you like, I'm not chasing anything."

I felt sorry for the Dutchies, sitting there for kilometer after kilometer waiting for someone, anyone, to attack and allow them to counter. But no, the Belgians, Italians and Norwegians wanted their mediocre sprinters to take on Sagan, Matthews and Cavendish and got pretty much what they deserved, not a lot.

If someone is prepared to hand you a medal on a plate, what are you supposed to do? say, "Sorry I really don't deserve it, you go first."? No, the polite thing to do is say, "I don't know why you did that but thank you all the same."

I must admit I really enjoyed Sagan's post race interview, an ecstatic cascade of words in a language he finds as difficult to understand as Belgian team tactics.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Yellow Peril on October 17, 2016, 21:34
Boonen has a rich history of winning in the desert so  think it was a reasonable call by the Belgians to invest one last time in a potential sprint win for him.

I really enjoyed the race and the way the Belgian team emerged from the peleton right on cue as they turned onto the croswinds section and drove the race made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Yellow Peril on October 17, 2016, 22:13
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu5zvKHWcAErBKN.jpg)

A superb photo by Graham Watson of Tom Boonen making the rest of the world dance the Belgian Tango in the crosswinds yesterday.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Jimmythecuckoo on October 19, 2016, 10:12
well, I don't know, for me personally Cav or Sagan winning it didn't make a difference in regards of the quality of the race.

Absolutely. The Finale wasn't the best but the racing with over 170km to go was among the most entertaining we have seen this season.

If they have race Lombardy or Flanders like that we would be talking of a race for all ages.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 19, 2016, 21:44
I couldn't disagree with you more. Belgium and to a lesser extent Italy and Norway decided what kind of race it was going to be, a sprint. Why? only they know as none of them had a winning sprinter. As soon as Degenkolb pulled out, the need to pull on the front disappeared, Cav and Sagan sat at the back as if to say, "Do what you like, I'm not chasing anything."

I felt sorry for the Dutchies, sitting there for kilometer after kilometer waiting for someone, anyone, to attack and allow them to counter. But no, the Belgians, Italians and Norwegians wanted their mediocre sprinters to take on Sagan, Matthews and Cavendish and got pretty much what they deserved, not a lot.

Giacomo Nizzolo and Aleksander Kristoff are not mediocre sprinters compared to Sagan, Matthews and Cavendish, but for a 260 km race, it matters more how you get to the sprint compared to a typical Tdf sprint stage of 160 km. It probably matters even more than that if the race is run in exceptionally hot conditions. Sagan and Boonen are very good in long races, even better than Kristoff - while Cavendish has some advantages when it comes to hiding from wind.
Italy, Belgium and Norway did not have a winning sprinter on the day, but they were all going to risk the sprint if only they could get rid of the Germans, which they did.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Yellow Peril on October 19, 2016, 22:04
Giacomo Nizzolo and Aleksander Kristoff are not mediocre sprinters compared to Sagan, Matthews and Cavendish, but for a 260 km race, it matters more how you get to the sprint compared to a typical Tdf sprint stage of 160 km. It probably matters even more than that if the race is run in exceptionally hot conditions. Sagan and Boonen are very good in long races, even better than Kristoff - while Cavendish has some advantages when it comes to hiding from wind.
Italy, Belgium and Norway did not have a winning sprinter on the day, but they were all going to risk the sprint if only they could get rid of the Germans, which they did.

To be fair Kristoff hasn't had much of a op level sprint season. With such a lack of form it isn't surprising that he couldn't come around EBH at the end.
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: search on October 20, 2016, 09:04
I had not seen Greipel's comment on the race yet, but I think it's worth a read, and also shows again what a great sportsperson he is

Quote
Hi guys,

around 48 hours after the World Cup, here are some infos about the race from my point of view.

The German team was very motivated and well prepared for the race. All riders, coaches and the sporting management had invested a great effort to be well prepared. Peter Sagan proved again, that you don’t need 6 or even 9 riders to become champion. Congrats to Peter for his strong performance. He’s got such a wide range of abilities, which no other cyclist in the world has got. Not only his diverse physical abilities and his self-confidence are unique, he also can read a race pretty good.

the race:

Through the preparatory work of Nils Politt, Jasha Sütterlin and Tony Martin, John Degenkolb and I could jump into into the first echelon. After another curve and an even narrower road, I couldn’t get into the next created echelon and so i quickly found myself in the second group. A little bit later John fell back with a defect and had to join the second group where Marcel and I were trying to get closer to the leading group. Without this defect Dege could have a had a chance to fight about the world title.

We tried everything to close the gap but we had no chance. Especially the teams from Belgium and Italy with 8 riders gave full speed and kept us at a distance. We had a realistic chance of the podium, but simply do not act consistently enough at the crucial moments. Even when we rode the rounds on Pearl Island we gave everything in the first three rounds to get closer but little by little our resources were gone. For certain our time trial riders could have helped us here, but unfortunately the wind wasn’t on our side this day. In my opinion,  all the speculation about our team were useless. Marcel and John have proven that they are team player. They have sacrificed themselves for me. I really appreciate it. And I respect all of my team mates for the work they have done.

I will learn from these experiences and I already look forward to the new season. Cycling is my passion and my job at the same time. If there are possible improvements then I will focus on them and continue the hard work to become even better. I’m gonna fight for every millimeter.

I have been the captain of the German team and of course I’m taking responsibility for the race. It’s always a great honor to represented Germany, so knew I wanted to finish this race, even there was nothing to gain.

Thank you for your permanent support. Please keep your fingers crossed for the next season.

Yours André

http://andregreipel.de/en/2016/10/18/our-chance-gone-with-the-wind/
Title: Re: Doha 2016 world road cycling championships - General discussion
Post by: Capt_Cavman on October 20, 2016, 11:01
Giacomo Nizzolo and Aleksander Kristoff are not mediocre sprinters compared to Sagan, Matthews and Cavendish, but for a 260 km race, it matters more how you get to the sprint compared to a typical Tdf sprint stage of 160 km. It probably matters even more than that if the race is run in exceptionally hot conditions. Sagan and Boonen are very good in long races, even better than Kristoff - while Cavendish has some advantages when it comes to hiding from wind.
Italy, Belgium and Norway did not have a winning sprinter on the day, but they were all going to risk the sprint if only they could get rid of the Germans, which they did.
We'll just have to agree to differ. And I should make this clear, I don't think Kristoff is a mediocre cyclist, I think he is a great cyclist, just a mediocre sprinter when compared to the best on a pan flat course (It was a long, hot race but it wasn't in any way hard once they turned for the Pearl). Nizzolo has never demonstrated anything that suggested he could beat all the other sprinters in that group.

I don't see the point of getting rid of the Germans and leaving Cavendish in there, I'd take my chances against Sagan and Matthews, but leaving all three of them to sit in the wheels when you've got weapons like GVA and EBH unutilised and the Dutchies ready to mix it up, seemed a big mistake at the time and even more so with hindsight.