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Title: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on January 23, 2016, 09:25
There was plenty of jaw-jaw about U23 racing last year, so here's a spanking new thread to prove that we at VR truly have our fingers on the knob of youth ...
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on January 23, 2016, 09:28
First up are the U23 Asian titles.

TT first and a resounding win for Mongolia, for which we don't have a flag afaik:

1. *mn Maral-Erdene Batmunkh 45m 22.00s
2. *hk Ka Hoo Fung at 47.00s
3. *jp Masaki Yamamoto at 01m 04.00s

In the RR, we have the first Iranian winner since 2013:

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 23, 2016, 10:06
There was plenty of jaw-jaw about U23 racing last year, so here's a spanking new thread to prove that we at VR truly have our fingers on the knob of youth ...
Either an ambition I wish to totally disassociate myself from, or an unfortunate consequence of translating idiomatic phrases.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on January 23, 2016, 10:55
TT first and a resounding win for Mongolia, for which we don't have a flag afaik:
Try harder, Laz. It's *mn mn, not mg. :P

Also, here's the full U23 ITT result:
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on February 05, 2016, 11:18
As a recent article in DirectVelo points out, much of the very best of *be youth talent in recent years is now in the professional ranks.

In 2016, six more launched their careers:

#etixx

Laurens De Plus

#topsport

Ruben Pols
Aimé De Gendt
Kenneth Van Rooy
Maxime Farazijn
Dries Van Gestel

So who's left and who should we be looking at this season? Belgian U23 boss JP Dubois lists these names...

Classics:

These guys could all have turned pro already, so they have some work still to do.

#bmc Devo Nathan Van Hooydonck
#seg Jenthe Biermans
#etixx U23 Benjamin Declercq

Sprinters:

Lots of talent here, ripe for the Qatar Worlds.

#lotto U23 Enzo Wouters
#lotto U23 Milan Menten
#etixx U23 Dennis Deltombe
#colorcode Charlie Arimont

Climbers:

Not too much to talk about here but a couple of good names.

#lotto U23 Steff Craes
#etixx U23 Jacob Relaes

http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/48823-les-espoirs-belges-a-surveiller-en-2016.html (FR)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on February 05, 2016, 14:30
In a similar vein, but with a lean to mainly French riders, Velo-Club have been doing interviews with the "Les Champions de demain".

http://www.velo-club.net/route/continentales/continentales-news/109200-recap-les-champions-de-demain

*fr

Felix Pouilly
Aurélien Paret-Peintre
Leo Vincent
Clément Betouigt-Suire

*ru

Pavel Sivakov

*it

Filippo Ganna
Edoardo Affini

*be

Bjorg Lambrecht
Thomas Vereecken

*at

Felix Gall

*za

Keagan Girdlestone
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on February 11, 2016, 12:59
As the new season opens, #ag2r feeder team Chambéry Cyclisme Fondation faces a tough time matching a singular 2015, in which it racked up a record breaking 29 wins.

"Things should continue much like last year," predicts team manager Loïc Varnet, "the youngest guys have progressed well and the core of the team is still the same."

When asked what would constitute a successful season, Varnet's response manages to be both sensible and surprising:

"First and foremost that every rider passes his exams. It's important for us. In three out of the last four years, every rider has passed them."

"On a sporting level," he continues, "we need to be setting ourselves up for the win every time and then try to pull it off. And we need to help some of the guys turn pro. That's our vocation ... So we're about putting together the right conditions for success both on and off the bike.

"Unlike other teams, we don't head south for training camps. Our riders train in Chambéry and sometimes it snows. But the good thing about youngsters is that they stay motivated even in bad weather. Team spirit is high again this year and that's good to see. The second half of the winter was really positive. They worked hard, did some 'cross and, when the track in Grénoble reopened, some of that too. In the last five weeks, they've basically ground out the kilometres. They followed the programme and there haven't been any problems. I'm not going to be worried about them when the racing kicks off."

http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/48919-chambery-cf-dans-la-continuite-de-2015.html (FR)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on February 15, 2016, 10:16
Now here's something you don't see every day.

On Stage 2 of the Circuit des Plages Vendéennes, Direct Energie feeder team Vendée-U was under pressure to perform on local turf, so it put together a breakaway ...

(http://i65.tinypic.com/34o68bb.jpg)

... and took out the entire Top 10.

Channelling Gewiss or just trolling the race? :lol :lol :lol

http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/48984-circuit-des-plages-vendeennes-ep-2-classement.html (FR)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 15, 2016, 12:56
Now here's something you don't see every day.

On Stage 2 of the Circuit des Plages Vendéennes, Direct Energie feeder team Vendée-U was under pressure to perform on local turf, so it put together a breakaway ...

(http://i65.tinypic.com/34o68bb.jpg)

... and took out the entire Top 10.

Channelling Gewiss or just trolling the race? :lol :lol :lol

http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/48984-circuit-des-plages-vendeennes-ep-2-classement.html (FR)

I didn't know there were races allowing 10 man teams.

Are you sure it wasn't a TTT?
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on February 15, 2016, 13:06
I didn't know there were races allowing 10 man teams.

Are you sure it wasn't a TTT?

I think at this level you can just enter with any numbers. There were also two other Vendée U riders in 76th and 78th place.

In any case, it's a crazy result. Almost impossible at senior level due to the rules, Nat Champs being an exception. IIRC in last year's Belgian Nats, #topsport started with all 24 riders.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on February 16, 2016, 19:41
Vendée-U continued its remarkable domination today of the Circuit des Plages Vendéennes with places 1, 3, 4 and 7 out of the top 10 on Stage 3. Stage winner Simon Sellier is now the overall leader on GC, which itself features Vendée-U riders in places 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 and 10, while there are three stages left in the race.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on February 23, 2016, 13:57
Just thought you might like to know that Vendée-U did let some other riders have a go.

In the end, the Circuit des Plages Vendéennes was won by Vendée-U's Charles Herbert from Kevins Le Cunff of Auber93 and Fouache of Creuse Oxygène.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on February 23, 2016, 14:02
Just thought you might like to know that Vendée-U did let some other riders have a go.
They did still take the win, mind. :lol
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: cj2002 on February 23, 2016, 14:13
IIRC in last year's Belgian Nats, #topsport started with all 24 riders.

You have to give them credit, though... it worked.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00006/thumbs/Preben_Van_Hecke_2016.jpg)

I wonder how many of this apparent Vendée-U supersquad will ever make it at the top level. Having good young riders is one thing, but turning them into the next Coquard, Pinot or - dare I say - Voeckler is a whole other challenge.

And given recent comments from JV about Pierre Rolland, I'm not sure it's going to be quite the conveyor belt they would like.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on February 23, 2016, 14:16
You have to give them credit, though... it worked.

(http://www.procyclingstats.com/uploads/uploads00006/thumbs/Preben_Van_Hecke_2016.jpg)

I wonder how many of this apparent Vendée-U supersquad will ever make it at the top level. Having good young riders is one thing, but turning them into the next Coquard, Pinot or - dare I say - Voeckler is a whole other challenge.

And given recent comments from JV about Pierre Rolland, I'm not sure it's going to be quite the conveyor belt they would like.

I was there and the race was more a question of how Roelandts lost than how Van Hecke won. ;)

Yeah, not many of them, one would suppose. As has been pointed out recently by Jimmy Casper, youngsters don't want to ride as a team because it means they're less likely to get noticed.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: cj2002 on February 23, 2016, 14:21
I was there and the race was more a question of how Roelandts lost than how Van Hecke won. ;)

Don't go using reality as a counter-argument, Larri  :P :lol

Quote
Yeah, not many of them, one would suppose. As has been pointed out recently by Jimmy Casper, youngsters don't want to ride as a team because it means they're less likely to get noticed.

Unfortunately, working as part of a team is - with very few exceptions - what new, young pros would have to do. An interesting conundrum. Glad that I'm a) not good enough to be a pro cyclist[1] and b) too old to be a neo-pro.
 1. Although I will happily discuss my VO2max if anyone wants to
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on February 23, 2016, 14:57
Don't go using reality as a counter-argument, Larri  :P :lol

Unfortunately, working as part of a team is - with very few exceptions - what new, young pros would have to do. An interesting conundrum. Glad that I'm a) not good enough to be a pro cyclist[1] and b) too old to be a neo-pro.
 1. Although I will happily discuss my VO2max if anyone wants to

Kids tend to ride for themselves with all but the rarest exceptions, such as when representing their country. That's why a neo pro has a lot of learning to do. The French produce some of the very best young cyclists in the world but the challenge is to keep them stepping up year after year and to keep them at work in mind and body but, until fairly recently at least, that was proving difficult for French pro teams.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on March 10, 2016, 09:13
Another name to watch. Chambéry Cyclisme Fondation, also known as the feeder team for #ag2r, welcomes a Dutchman this year in the form of Jaap De Jong.

De Jong, until recently a trainee chef, claims that the only French words he knew on arrival were "bonjour" and "bon appétit". He was surprised at how seriously his French teammates took their dietary intake: "I get the impression it's an obsession here", he says.

Unlike most other members of the Chambéry CF, De Jong is a big rouleur and, at 194cm tall, he hopes to excel in TTs and get a result at the U23 Paris-Roubaix.

http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/49410/jaap-de-jong-un-petit-reve-d-etre-ici (FR)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on March 10, 2016, 09:38
De Jong, until recently a trainee chef, claims that the only French words he knew on arrival were "bonjour" and "bon appétit". He was surprised at how seriously his French teammates took their dietary intake: "I get the impression it's an obsession here", he says.
In which way does he mean this?
Do they weigh every piece of bread they're eating, or are they gourmets who enjoy meals that are far from the usual 'omelet, pasta, chicken' staple of cyclists?
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on March 11, 2016, 09:45
In which way does he mean this?
Do they weigh every piece of bread they're eating, or are they gourmets who enjoy meals that are far from the usual 'omelet, pasta, chicken' staple of cyclists?

The former. A bit worrying, really. :(
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on March 11, 2016, 10:48
The former. A bit worrying, really. :(
Yes. They're French, goddammit! :(
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on March 24, 2016, 09:39
A brief round-up of various tidbits from what is still the most interesting U23 beat in European racing. I am, of course, talking about France.

La Durtorccha

Last weekend saw the climbers' classic La Durtorccha, which takes place in the Puy de Dôme area, and U23 hotshot Nans Peters of Chambéry CF upset Team Pro Immo Nicolas Roux on the latter's home turf.

With what might have been a touch of false modesty Peters, who's expected to turn pro later this year with #ag2r, said that he didn't want to leave the amateur peloton without a big win at senior level.

Peters is a rouleur but still managed to pull off that win by going solo, crossing the line with over a minute's advantage on a small group. The sprint for second went to Pro Immo's Sylvain Georges who's now in his second season at the local team since returning from his #ag2r doping suspension.

La Bernaudeau Junior

Strictly speaking, the #direct boss' titular race is sub-U23 but it deserves a special mention for its importance in the season of many a youngster. At 130km, it's a tough test for any aspiring youth, and there was another trophy at the finish for the Turgis family cabinet.

Echoes has been banging on about the three brothers for a few seasons already and Tanguy is the youngest at 17. So he was the winner in the Vendée out of a field that included Richmond Worlds runner-up Clément Bétouigt-Suire (6th).

Culled from a few bits and pieces on directvelo.com
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Michielveedeebee on March 30, 2016, 14:40
(http://www.petitereinefrasnoise.be/images/contenu/affiche2016b.jpg)

this starts in 2 days!
I just did a reconnaissance of the local laps of the 2nd day and damn it'll be hard
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on March 30, 2016, 14:54
I just did a reconnaissance of the local laps of the 2nd day and damn it'll be hard
Bonne chance Michiel! :cool
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Not My Circus on April 15, 2016, 10:20
Mens U23 Nations Cup

Thought I'd try and keep track of the results over here.

Calendar of Events 2016
Race Date Category
Gent-Wevelgem/Kattekoers 27th March 1.NC
Ronde van Vlaanderen Beloften 9th April 1.NC
ZLM Roompot Tour 15th-16th April 2.NC
Course de la Paix 3rd to 5th June 2.NC
Coppa dei Laghi - Trofeo Almar 31st July 1.NC
Tour de L'Avenir 20th to 27th August 2.NC

Results so far....
Gent-Wevelgem / Kattekoers

Pedersen on a rich vein of form. I tweeted this one, I'll spare you the details suffice to say I was a tad happy.

https://twitter.com/ArmandIDK/status/714624144139091968

All 7 races happened on the same day which produced this very cool podium
(http://i65.tinypic.com/24o6hyr.jpg)


Ronde Van Vlaanderen Beloften


Super win by Slovenia's David Per who'd just missed the podium at Kattekoers


ZLM Roompot Tour
3 stages over 2 days. Kicks off this morning with a TTT - 23km around Tholen.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Not My Circus on April 15, 2016, 11:37
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2vx0q5i.jpg)

ZLM Roompot Tour

Echelons ahoy!!
I LOVE this race.
It's well covered for social media and there will be a TV highlights package via Omroep Zeeland Sport iirc

Website (http://www.zlmtour.nl/en)
Startlist (http://www.zlmtour.nl/public/files/deelnemerslijst2016(NED)%20doc%2006402016(3).pdf)
race twitter (https://twitter.com/ZLMRoompottour)
Live Ticker (http://www.directvelo.com/) from Direct Velo
Omroep ZeelandTV/Radio (http://www.omroepzeeland.nl/streams/tv/)

Stage 1, TTT, 23km
Technical, pan flat and windy
(http://cdn.directvelo.com/uploads/racing/races/57109913706a3.jpg)

Results (Top 3)
Place
Place Team Time
1 Norway 27:46
2 France 27:53
3 Denmark 27:59
Full results here (http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/ZLMRoompot_tour_2016_Stage_1_TTT)

Norway win the TTT, Amund Jansen Grondahl wears the leaders jersey
https://twitter.com/omroepzldsport/status/720911254450282496

The top three were the only teams under 28mins. GB team was expected to challenge, but unfortunately Cullaigh fell on the course, hope he's OK. The Danes lost Mads Pedersen early on...
https://twitter.com/MadsWurtz/status/720910670364065792

Video for TTT (http://www.omroepzeeland.nl/nieuws/2016-04-15/993972/noorwegen-wint-ploegentijdrit-zlm-roompot-tour-video#.VxEM2TArIdU)


Stage 2, Kamperland to Zierikzee, 124k
Kicks off at 16.00 CET
(http://i65.tinypic.com/e9jeyu.jpg)
Neeltje-Jans!! I don't think I need to say anything more  :cool

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Not My Circus on April 15, 2016, 21:20
ZLM Roompot Tour

Stage 2, Kamperland to Zierikzee, 124k
Oh my what a stage. Wet, windy and chaotic. Peloton split into pieces and reforming all the time. Constant attacks as the wind veered direction. Hard, attritional racing and the crashes to go with it. Team Norway never looked in real trouble and protected their leader all the way. It all came together for a bunch sprint at the end. Sounded like a nasty crash going into the final corner at 200m, there was a rider down for a long time and I'm not sure who that was.

(https://scontent-mrs1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/t31.0-8/13029712_1028462743888144_1934139377592732820_o.jpg)

Sprint take  by Fabio Jakobsen from the Netherlands from Simone Consonni of Italy and Ivan Garcia Cortina of Spain.
(https://scontent-mrs1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/13040909_1028485840552501_2635312588001742887_o.jpg)
Lead still held by Amund Grundhal


Not sure why there is no 6th place ??

19 x DNF (incl Mads Pedersen)  and 2 x DNS  :(

Images from Race Facebook  (https://www.facebook.com/zlmroompottour?fref=ts)

Stage 3, Goes to Goes, 177.2k
(http://i64.tinypic.com/qrnjpw.jpg)


Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Not My Circus on April 16, 2016, 07:06
Video and write up from stage 2... looked a yuck day on a bike

https://twitter.com/omroepzldsport/status/721074791097233410
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Not My Circus on April 16, 2016, 09:28
U23 Liège - Bastogne - Liège
Sat 16th

Race Website (http://www.pesantliege.be/LBL%20Esp%2016/AAAmenu2016.html)

Route
(http://www.pesantliege.be/LBL%20Esp%2016/LBL%2016%20iti1.jpg)
details here (http://www.pesantliege.be/LBL%20Esp%2016/Itineraire%202016.html)

Climbs
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2vsoqv7.png)

Startlist
https://twitter.com/ProCyclingStats/status/721240933191303168

2015 results
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: just some guy on April 16, 2016, 16:12
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Not My Circus on April 17, 2016, 09:59
ZLM Roompot Tour

Stage 3

The Danes get their win, the Norwegians take the GC... seems fair (It's not  :angry)





Write up and video highlights here (http://www.omroepzeeland.nl/nieuws/2016-04-16/994324/deen-stokbro-wint-3e-etappe-zlm-roompot-tour-eindzege-noorwegen#.VxNPUXErLnB)

Still love this race ;)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on May 13, 2016, 12:11
We may or may not have skipped a few U23 races in this thread, I've lost sight of it a bit.

But today we'll see the start of the first bike race in my new hometown, the U23 Tour de Berlin (http://www.tourdeberlin.de/)!
Held for the 65th time, this nice little race consists of five stages on four days.

Tonight there'll be a 6.3 km TTT on the Kurfürstendamm, three 2.1 km laps with one of the turning points at the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtnis-Kirche.
Tomorrow morning the race goes to the very west of Berlin for 121.6 km consisting of 16 laps around the Schäferberg (the closest to a mountain you'll get here), and on Sunday they trek to Baruth (approximately half-way between Berlin and Dresden) for a morning ITT (21.4 km) and an afternoon road stage (135.3 km).
Finally, Monday sees a 151.2 km stage in Birkenwerder just north of Berlin, consisting of 12 laps with 1800 m of cobbles per lap.

The startlist consists of 24 teams including many of the strongest U23 development teams, several Continental squads and two national teams.

Biggest names are #seg Jakobsen, #trefor Würtz, #trefor Asgreen, #trefor Rahbek, #teamde Ackermann, #awt Bokeloh, #awt Schachmann, #awt Schreurs, #lkt Franz, #bmc Appelt[1], #bmc van Hooydonck, I would say.

I'll be roadside for the TTT and the stages on Saturday and Monday, doing the odd update on Twitter (https://twitter.com/lukascph/) (#TourdeBerlin (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TourdeBerlin)) and hopefully collecting a couple of thoughts here each day.
 1. apparently not starting after all
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on May 13, 2016, 21:20
The TTT was a great way to start this race: On the Kurfürstendamm in the middle of Berlin - I've lost count of the number of people who asked me just what was going on here (and I happily explained it to them).

#bmc BMC Devo were the strongest over the 6.3 km, but only just: #awt Klein Constantia, #trefor Team TREFOR, and #teamca Team Race Clean all finished only one second behind.

On the podium, #bmc Bas Tietema dedicated their win to Gijs Verdick. The Dutchman was scheduled to ride this race with #piels Cyclingteam Jo Piels, but passed away at the start of the week after a heart attack at the Carpathian Couriers Race and was being laid to rest today. #piels understandably pulled out of the race.

Pre-race favourite #trefor Mads Würtz suffered some sort of bad luck and apparently finished way behind his teammates - he's listed as dead last on GC now. Time will tell if he has fire in his belly and takes his revenge on the coming days was registered as having lost over two minutes on the TTT, but he didn't.

Result:
1 #bmc BMC Development Team 7:23
2 #awt Klein Constantia 7:24
3 #trefor Team TREFOR 7:24
4 *ca Team Race Clean 7:24
5 #kuota Team Kuota - Lotto 7:28
6 #seg SEG Racing Academy 7:29
7 #soigneur Team Soigneur - Copenhagen Pro Cycling 7:35
8 *de P&S Team Thüringen 7:36
9 *be Baguet - MIBA - Indulek - Derito 7:37
10 #teamde German National Team 7:38
11 #colorcode Color Code - Arden Beef 7:38
12 #heizomat Team Heizomat 7:38
13 #lkt LKT Team Brandenburg 7:39
14 *de KED Stevens Radteam Berlin 7:40
15 #teamch Swiss National Team 7:40
16 *nl NWVG Fila Nijwa Trucks 7:43
17 *de Matrix Racing Team 7:45
18 *de LV Berlin 7:54
19 *de Team Sauerland NRW p/b Henley & Partners 7:57
20 *de Cyclingteam Sachsen 8:01
21 #wsa WSA - Greenlife 8:07
22 *de Fachklinik Dr. Herzog 8:21

The race continues tomorrow at 8 am (that's in less than 10 hours) with a 16-lap, 121.6 km road stage. The finishing straight is uphill, so it won't be a straightforward affair.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on September 15, 2016, 19:09
(http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/50/87/62/20160817/ob_c385cd_51.jpg)

Who knows if he'll make it big, but the latest Estonian on the Pro Immo Nicolas Roux talent conveyor belt, Karl Patrick Lauk, is racking up the low level French wins recently.

http://www.directvelo.com/coureur/15027/karl-patrick-lauk

(http://i68.tinypic.com/dvhd9v.png)

He's from Saaremaa, the same as Raim. He's got a long way to go anyway, but let's hope Pro Immo Nicolas Roux's potential relegation from D1 doesn't blunt his progress.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Echoes on April 03, 2017, 21:42
Hey I just realised that Jasper Philipsen won the Tryptich Mounts & Castle.  :cool


If you remember Jasper was the victim of Qatar heat at the Worlds : http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=7581.msg2221306#msg2221306


The Tryptich is probably the best Belgian stage race for U23 & amateur riders. Let's remember that its main climb is the Côte du Beau site, probably the second hardest climb in the Flemish Ardennes to the Koppenberg only it's in Wallonia (but just beyond the laguage border and in the region that is historically Flemish). A cobbled climb with no dend after the top and with no gutter to "cheat" on the climb. ItIt was formerly on the route of Dwars door Vlaanderen when the latter race was still called Dwars door België (good ole days).


Jasper is really a very good ITT talent from Limburg. I hope he can evolve. :)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: zinoviev letter on April 08, 2017, 18:15
Philipsen second at the U23 Ronde today behind Eddie Dunbar  #axeon who came second to Philipsen in the Tryptique des Monts et Chateaux. Philipsen looks like a big cobbled talent. Dunbar however is a climber and one of the least likely looking guys to suddenly turn out to be great on the cobbles.

As of a year ago I'd have said that Dunbar was a prospective JRod or Pozzovivo kind of espoir. Since then he's won the Irish U23 TT, got a top 5 in the U23 Euro TT, a top 10 in the worlds U23 TT, came second at the Tryptique M et C and won the U23 Ronde. Thereby proving that I know nothing about this stupid sport.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on April 08, 2017, 19:50
Philipsen second at the U23 Ronde today behind Eddie Dunbar  #axeon who came second to Philipsen in the Tryptique des Monts et Chateaux. Philipsen looks like a big cobbled talent. Dunbar however is a climber and one of the least likely looking guys to suddenly turn out to be great on the cobbles.

As of a year ago I'd have said that Dunbar was a prospective JRod or Pozzovivo kind of espoir. Since then he's won the Irish U23 TT, got a top 5 in the U23 Euro TT, a top 10 in the worlds U23 TT, came second at the Tryptique M et C and won the U23 Ronde. Thereby proving that I know nothing about this stupid sport.

I don't think it shows you nothing about this sport. I think its more a case of when they are U23 and especially juniors they still arent really specialising in a way they will probably have to do when they start riding pro/senior races.

I always think Junior/U23 results give a guide to who should be a good rider in the future not necessarily what type of rider. Kittel was a double junior TT world champ but developed into a sprinter and Popovych winning the U23 Roubaix and then going on to 3 or 4 GT top 10's are a couple of examples of big wins when younger in a different area they excelled at later.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: zinoviev letter on April 08, 2017, 21:03
I don't think it shows you nothing about this sport. I think its more a case of when they are U23 and especially juniors they still arent really specialising in a way they will probably have to do when they start riding pro/senior races.

I always think Junior/U23 results give a guide to who should be a good rider in the future not necessarily what type of rider. Kittel was a double junior TT world champ but developed into a sprinter and Popovych winning the U23 Roubaix and then going on to 3 or 4 GT top 10's are a couple of examples of big wins when younger in a different area they excelled at later.

I agree entirely about the relative lack of specialisation in age group races and that many riders grow up to have a very different focus than the one they appeared most likely to develop.

But in Dunbar's case the issue isn't so much that he says he's a climber, although he does, or that he was the outstanding climber among Irish or British juniors, although he was. It's that he weighs around 55kg. That really isn't a very likely physique for a guy producing those results.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Echoes on April 09, 2017, 11:13
In order to second Carlo's post I remember discovering Robert Gesink when he was European TT champion as a junior. When he turned pro, I didn't see his first results immediately and was told he rather was a climber. I said what? Also Marc De Maar won the Classique des Alpes as a U23 but as a pro if ever there's a style of races he was a specialist at is the cobbles. Dumoulin was not really a Time Trialist in the youth categories either, I think. So I agree with Carlo, those races are good to notice the best riders but not really the type of races they would be good at as pros.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on May 26, 2017, 13:31
(http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/50/87/62/20160817/ob_c385cd_51.jpg)

Who knows if he'll make it big, but the latest Estonian on the Pro Immo Nicolas Roux talent conveyor belt, Karl Patrick Lauk, is racking up the low level French wins recently.

Just won stage one of the Tour of Estonia.  :cool
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on July 14, 2017, 18:37
http://www.axeoncycling.com/news/costa_loa

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Axeon Hagens Berman Cycling Team announced today that Adrien Costa will take a break from competitive cycling for the remainder of the 2017 season.

The California native, who is one of the sport's most promising young talents, has cited fatigue as the reason behind the hiatus, explaining that at just 19 years of age, he wants to make sure that he doesn't rush his development.

“This was an incredibly tough decision for me to make, but for my personal development I think it's the best option. I want to take time to do other things that I've always been passionate about and finding a new balance between the sport I love and the rest of my life."

I had been thinking that the death of Chad Young might have had something to do with his absence from the racing scene. Still could be.

Anyway even with today's news, it still feels like we're not hearing the whole story, but it's not really our place to pry. So hopefully he'll find what it is he's searching for.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on July 14, 2017, 19:37
http://www.axeoncycling.com/news/costa_loa
Chad Young, team press officer Sean Weide ... and Costa is still only 19.
Losing two people you've been working closely with - and that you probably considered friends - within such a short period of time would be hard on anyone.

The fatigue he cites may not be the whole story, nor may the deaths of two team members.
But like you say, it's not our place. He decided to take a break and not rush anything, and that sounds like the completely right decision to me.

It is only a sport, after all.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on August 06, 2017, 23:12
https://twitter.com/WillElliott25/status/894248776092831744

https://twitter.com/TeamRaceClean/status/894208776571674631

He's in his last year with Team Race Clean as he ages out, so a performance like this could help get him a contract for 2018 and beyond.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on August 08, 2017, 12:53
He's in his last year with Team Race Clean as he ages out, so a performance like this could help get him a contract for 2018 and beyond.
I've heard that #academy are not beyond looking on the Canadian market ... ;)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on August 28, 2017, 18:59
http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/60815/coupe-des-nations-les-reserves-pros-invitees-en-2018

WT Devo teams in the Coupe des Nations?

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The Coupe des Nations Espoirs, launched in 2007 with the ambition of bringing national teams into opposition exclusively, has already undergone modifications and derogations, such as when teams of clubs and Continental competed in the Canadian round of Saguenay in 2013 or, When the World Cycling Center, which gathers riders of different nationalities, is engaged on tests. Since last year, the organizers of the Nations Cup have been allowed to invite regional teams.

According to our sources, the peloton could now include Continental teams attached to World Tour groups, such as Dimension Data-Qhubeka or Development Team Sunweb.

This change of rules is intended to maintain a high level of sport on the sleeves of the Nations Cup and to respond to the budgetary problems of many federations that no longer have the means to compete in all the events of the calendar.

Final decision at the Worlds.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on August 28, 2017, 19:10
http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/60815/coupe-des-nations-les-reserves-pros-invitees-en-2018

WT Devo teams in the Coupe des Nations?

Final decision at the Worlds.

Perhaps it is time to get rid of the Coupe des Nations and have it replaced by a more coherent set of .2U races throughout the season that National, Regional and Conti/Devo teams can all ride in.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on August 29, 2017, 10:31
Perhaps it is time to get rid of the Coupe des Nations and have it replaced by a more coherent set of .2U races throughout the season that National, Regional and Conti/Devo teams can all ride in.
Hear, hear!

The Nations Cup (on U23 level at least) has shrunk to no more than half a dozen races anyway; instead of reducing a Nations Cup to the absurdity of being contested by non-national teams, they should get rid of it altogether and establish a season-long U23 ranking based only on .2U races. The Tour de l'Avenir or Baby Giro could even be ranked as 2.1U if the UCI finds its long-lost never-had flexibility.

It would just make much more sense ...
... so we know for sure it'll never happen. :fp
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: ciranda on August 29, 2017, 15:00
Another directvelo article talks about a proposed nations cup race in Cameroun. That sounds way cool but surely too expensive for many teams that were in l'Avenir.

Season ranking sounds like a good idea but bigger races need to still be for national teams. As development teams channel wealth and investment to riders from the same few countries the result is the sport gets even more insular. Avenir with more trade development teams means no bielorussian and moroccan teams and even harder for riders from other nations to get noticed.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on November 22, 2017, 15:58
https://twitter.com/FirstCycling/status/927493606360993792

An interview with the future of Finnish cycling.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on December 13, 2017, 18:14
For those of you who miss the U23 ramblings of Vlaanderen90 on Espoirs Central, salvation could be at hand.

@U23CyclingZone (https://twitter.com/U23CyclingZone/with_replies)

He's only recently started up and with no races on at the moment, it's mainly interviews. Some of the folk that he has spoken to include Kanepejs, Abderrahim, Foss and Thijssen.

@EspoirsWorld (https://twitter.com/EspoirsWorld/with_replies#) is another option.

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on March 13, 2018, 09:30
Keeping an eye on these youngsters this year:

Maikel Zijlaard *nl = good genes, it takes  #axeon's Merckx Jr to know one

Marc Hirschi  *ch = tipped for years already, no surprise #sunweb has noticed

Karl Patrick Lauk  *ee = surprise stagiaire at #astana last season, already doing well in France

Mikkel Bjerg *dk = another #axeon scoop and future big

Add any others you know.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on March 13, 2018, 10:57
Burgaudeau at Vendee U is a very obvious one. Already racking up some results in 2018. Watch out for him at Triptyque des Monts et Chateaux, Circuit des Ardennes and LBL U23s in April.

Kippers at Bike Aid has already shown what he can do in Sharjah beating Rebellin. Sibiu awaits.

Julius Johansen. A year behind Bjerg in development, but should still leave his mark in 2018. That still leaves five or six Danes for Fus to name.

Javier Montoya did pretty well at Oro y Paz considering the big names there and the local teams wanting to shine. Put him up against some less developed lights at the mountainous Baby Giro, Aosta, l'Izard or Savoie Blanc and he could steal the show.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on March 13, 2018, 11:12
Burgaudeau at Vendee U is a very obvious one. Already racking up some results in 2018. Watch out for him at Triptyque des Monts et Chateaux, Circuit des Ardennes and LBL U23s in April.

Kippers at Bike Aid has already shown what he can do in Sharjah beating Rebellin. Sibiu awaits.

Julius Johansen. A year behind Bjerg in development, but should still leave his mark in 2018. That still leaves five or six Danes for Fus to name.

Javier Montoya did pretty well at Oro y Paz considering the big names there and the local teams wanting to shine. Put him up against some less developed lights at the mountainous Baby Giro, Aosta, l'Izard or Savoie Blanc and he could steal the show.

Nice picks, LB! I didn't include Burgaudeau because I felt he'd been "outed" already as a future big, but he does look like a shoo-in. Going to keep an eye on your others too.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: DJW on March 13, 2018, 20:31
Apart from a few of the more obvious picks who featured last season:

Jacob Hennesy *gb #mbe   -  former  #wiggins , Gent-Wevelgem u23 winner last year and already has a top 10 in Dubai (ahead of Cav, Kittel, Degenkolb...) this year

Ian Garrison  *us   #axeon  - Second behind Hennessy at G-W u23, 10th in Tour de Beauce and a decent TT

Jacob Scott *gb #onepro - Couple of decent placings in Belgian 1.1 races last year and riding for One Pro so should get an opportunity to test himself in the UK races

Remco Evenpoel *be - Still a junior but highly rated and heading to #axeon next year so will be interesting to keep tabs on him
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: t-72 on March 13, 2018, 21:26
I will see your picks and raise with a #unox Tobias Foss.  :shh
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on March 14, 2018, 07:10
Some excellent and, to me at least, previously unknown picks here (who is this Foss kid, for example?), especially because the topic of U23 is not as well covered online as I would sometimes like.

Too often it is only when the junior versions of the big Classics are decided that we hear about these kids until they burst through "from nowhere" at the Tour de l'Avenir.

DirectVélo is an excellent source for the high-level French scene, where all the world seems to come to learn how to race in a climate rather less claustrophobic than the intense (and reportedly very Dark Side) Italian or the barely reported Spanish scenes. DV also covers Belgium, which is a great service for those of us hunting for updates about the kermissen and the semi-Classics.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on March 14, 2018, 13:36
Julius Johansen. A year behind Bjerg in development, but should still leave his mark in 2018. That still leaves five or six Danes for Fus to name.
I think that while Julius Johansen will definitely make his mark this year, we shouldn't expect too much from him in his first U23 season. I'll happily let myself be surprised though.
I expect more from Bjerg (who's already delivered) and Egholm for this season.

My five or six Danes:
1995:
#virtu Kasper Asgreen: doesn't need an introduction. Definitely pro material, probably stayed with #virtu in the hope that the team will step up to at least ProConti next season. If they don't, he ought to look elsewhere - he absolutely has the potential for a pro contract at a foreign team.

1996 (last U23 season):
#coloquick Jonas Vingegaard: was stopped in his tracks by a broken leg in 2017, but is now back and will be a contender for the Tour de l'Avenir, with a pro contract for 2019 definitely possible
#riwal Jonas Gregaard Wilsly: almost certain he'll get a pro contract for 2019, just has to figure out where he wants to sign
#riwal Rasmus Bøgh Wallin: while not as far as Vingegaard or Gregaard yet, he's a versatile rider who won a UCI race last year. Raced the Tour of Denmark the past two years and should improve on his result there even more this year. Will probably have a hard time getting a pro contract with a non-Danish team, though, as he's just not very much on the teams' radars.

1997:
*dk Mathias Kjeldsmark Christiansen: Racing for Sydkysten Cycling (as far as I know) and working part-time as 'handelselev' (commerce/business apprentice??). No results to speak of so far, but apparently did some big riders in a training camp in January and impressed Kamp enough for him to say "I'll have to talk to Riis and Skelde". We'll see what comes of that. :shh

1998:
#virtu Jakob Egholm: junior #rainbow in Qatar, last season was a year where he could get used to the longer & harder races at elite level; after #roskilde folded, he was picked up by Riis & Skelde for #virtu

There are even more U23 riders one could keep an eye on - #coloquick Price-Pejtersen, #coloquick Rodenberg, #coloquick Salby, #bornholm Hulgaard, #riwal Mathias Norsgaard Jørgensen (the brother of #bigla Emma), #riwal Kron, #riwal Stokbro, #riwal Søren Malling Siggaard (the brother of #virtu Christina), #virtu Honoré, #virtu Niklas Larsen, #virtu Jesper Schultz ...

Some excellent and, to me at least, previously unknown picks here (who is this Foss kid, for example?), especially because the topic of U23 is not as well covered online as I would sometimes like.
:o
For real? Have you lived behind a rock last season? :P
He's THE hot sh*t in Norwegian cycling. With #unox he will have pro-level support, and he can climb. Tour de l'Avenir battle vs. Vingegaard coming up.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on March 27, 2018, 08:39
So, last weekend saw the 187.5km Kattekoers U23 Gent-Wevelgem, the first round of the UCI Nations Cup (http://www.uci.ch/road/ucievents/2018-road-uci-under-23-nations-cup/243455518/), with most riders competing in national jerseys.

Let's appraise ourselves of the Top 20, with bold formatting if we already tipped the rider above:

1 JERMAN Žiga 4h39'44''
2 STEWART Jake
3 BURGAUDEAU Mathieu
4 KRON Andreas Lorentz
5 HONORÉ Mikkel Frølich
6 AALRUST Håkon Lunder
7 BENNETT Sean
8 KANTER Max
9 CULLAIGH Gabriel
10 SCHINNAGEL Johannes
11 PHILIPSEN Jasper
12 BARBIER Pierre
13 HIRSCHI Marc
14 MALECKI Kamil
15 KURIYANOV Stepan
16 DE POORTER Maxime
17 HORVAT Žiga
18 STOKBRO NIELSEN Andreas
19 GALVAN FERNANDEZ Francisco
20 GUGLIELMI Simon

... All same time

Well done, folks!

Out of the above, Kanter and Philipsen definitely deserve to make the list too.

Winner of a fairly reduced bunch sprint (or possibly a late flyer - I didn't see it) on the cobbles of Ieper/Ypres, Jerman from *si caught me unawares. Still only 19 and largely unknown in Western Europe, he performed well against a stacked field.

Next round is this weekend's Ronde van Vlaanderen Beloften.

Source: https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/64955/kattekoers-gand-wevelgem-classement (FR)

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on March 27, 2018, 09:45
Winner of a fairly reduced bunch sprint (or possibly a late flyer - I didn't see it) on the cobbles of Ieper/Ypres

The first seven were part of a break that went with ~40km to go. They just managed to avoid capture.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on March 27, 2018, 17:21
Out of the above, Kanter and Philipsen definitely deserve to make the list too.
As Kanter is the German U23 champion racing for a WT devo squad, and Philipsen has actually turned pro already with #axeon, I wouldn't say they are so much 'riders to watch for their breakthrough' as they are 'riders who haven already broken through'. :P

*de #tirol Johannes Schinnagel is also someone to watch. Has been with Austrian teams for all his U23 years, now (in his final U23 year) he's getting good results in UCI races too. Methinks that with their *at connection, #bora will be giving him a call sometime.
*uk #wiggins Gabz Cullaigh has been at or near the top of the U23 scene for some years now, too, and he is a 1996 as well. The next #sky classics hardman?

#virtu Kasper Asgreen: doesn't need an introduction. Definitely pro material, probably stayed with #virtu in the hope that the team will step up to at least ProConti next season. If they don't, he ought to look elsewhere - he absolutely has the potential for a pro contract at a foreign team.
Well, that went faster than expected.
Asgreen is off to #quickstep effective immediately. :cool
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on April 16, 2018, 12:11
Time to catch up with a few results.

U23 Ronde Van Vlaanderen (NCup)

The Nations Cup continued with the U23 Ronde van Vlaanderen, won by a relative neophyte in cycling, the 21-year old Aussie James Whelan. He beat perennial favourites Max Kanter and countryman Robert Stannard but until a few weeks ago it wasn't even certain he would be there.



The full story on that is at CyclingTips:

https://cyclingtips.com/2018/04/faces-of-the-future-u23-tour-of-flanders-winner-james-whelan/

ZLM Toer (NCup)

Then over the last weekend, the fourth round of the Nations Cup, the ZLM Toer, brought the early Spring campaign to a conclusion with a big bunch sprint.

1. Moschetti, Matteo *it 3:51:23
2. Weemaes, Sasha *be z.t.
3. Kanter, Max *de z.t.
4. Barbier, Pierre *fr z.t.
5. Jerman, Ziga *si z.t.
6. Rostovtsev, Sergei *ru z.t.
7. Oliveira, Rui *pt z.t.
8. Marchetti, Moreno *it z.t.
9. Lonardi, Giovanni *it z.t.
10. Grosser, Aaron *de z.t.

The Aussie heroes of Flanders were, according to a BTL comment in the earlier article, less successful here, with crashes and injuries for both Whelan and Stannard.

U23 Liège-Bastogne-Liège

Not an NCup race, and therefore disputed by "club" teams, the youth LBL is nonetheless a world class event and there was an upset in the result as TT specialist Almeida beat out the climbers with a solo ride to the line.

"Based on what he's been showing in the last few weeks, it's a surprise to see Joao at this level," said DS Koos Moerenhout, who had marked out Philipsen, Barta and Oliveira as #axeon 's leaders for the race. The Belgian was cooked, the American had a bad day and the Portuguese finished 20th behind his compatriot.

And let us not forget that Almeida, folks, is just 19 years old.



https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/65448/joao-almeida-a-surpris-son-directeur-sportif (FR)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on May 18, 2018, 16:48
It's that time of the year when, although the Nations Cup is on hold while we transition from Spring to Summer, some of the U23 banner events are held.

In recent weeks we had the Circuit des Ardennes stage race and the Flèche Ardennaise classic which, although open to CT-level teams and therefore much older, more experienced riders, are important proving grounds for youngsters.

Runner up in the former and winner of the latter was 22-year old Dutchman Cees Bol of #seg, a rider agency-backed team that rivals #axeon in depth and quality of future greats.

We also had the Gran Premio della Liberazione in Rome with a solo win for Alessandro Fedeli ahead of that man Ziga Jerman and former SEG now #wiggins fastman Gabriel Cullaigh. Fedeli had also picked up the hefty accolade of the Trofeo Edil C back in early April.

Right now we are in the middle of the Ronde de l'Isard, one of the great U23 climbers' races which takes place in the Pyrenéean foothills and SEG is at it again. The first two stages were both won by Brit Stephen Williams, who is in his second season with the Dutch team. Also featuring strongly so far are Belgium's Julian Mertens and soon-to-be #ag2r neo pro Aurélien Paret-Peintre.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on May 25, 2018, 09:05
Stage 3 of the Ronde de l'Isard ended in a bunch sprint and Stage 4 in a long and ultimately successful solo. Williams dropped a couple of seconds to Paret-Peintre in a slight split at the line but he still had 20 seconds in hand over the Frenchman in the GC, whose consolation was to hop over Julian Mertens for second overall.

Williams rode the Baby Giro last season in a support role. Leader for the same or Avenir in 2018?

If he didn't already have some callers, Williams may expect a bit of interest from pro teams after this result. As mentioned above, Paret-Peintre has already signed with #ag2r and Mertens may do another season at #lotto U23.

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on May 29, 2018, 12:20
DJW tipped him already upthread but perhaps Remco Evenepoel shouldn't even qualify for mention on this thread. :D

OK, so he is under 23, but the lad has only just turned 18. The kid is so talented, #axeon has bagged him already for 2019.

Last weekend we had the junior Nats here in Belgium at the Lac de l'Heure and he added the RR to his TT title from the beginning of the month, soloing to the line over four and a half minutes ahead of second place.

What makes Evenepoel remarkable is that he was as recently as April 2017 a youth footballer for RSC Anderlecht having come over from PSV Eindhoven's kids team. His father Patrick was briefly a pro cyclist in the 90s.

Evenepoel also finds himself in a very unique situation: he has a choice of stagiaire options. Does he go early to #axeon for a foretaste of next season or does he make a near-unprecedented jump straight to #quickstep for the late season? The latter will require Merckx Jr's help anyway, since UCI rules require a rider to be at the U23 level to do a stage.

Anyway the young Belgian told DirectVelo that he would have to accept one of the offers because "I reckon there isn't much to learn for me at the national and international Junior level. Given my weight and watts, I should be able to stick with the U23s on the climbs. It would be nice to be a World Champion but it wouldn't do much for my career progression."

Indeed.

https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/66530/remco-evenepoel-plus-grand-chose-a-prouver-chez-les-juniors (FR)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on May 29, 2018, 12:37
The Circuit de Wallonie (UCI 1.2) is a jaunt around the lesser known roads of southern Wallonia with a finishing circuit and uphill sprint to the line. It suits a rouleur and often features promising youngsters. Past winners include Reinardt Janse van Rensburg (2012 - Tim Wellens was fourth) and Maurits Lammertink (2014).



I mention this result here because it features several names tipped by VR members at the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on May 29, 2018, 12:59
Killer result for promising #lotto U23 rouleur Stan Dewulf at last weekend's Paris-Roubaix Espoirs, beating off some serious talent and, in the finale, the numeric advantage of #seg.

Fortunately for Dewulf, the Dutch riders got nervous about the approach of chasers including pre-race favourite Jasper Philipsen of #axeon and Arensman sacrificed himself for van den Berg, who then lost the sprint to Dewulf in the vélodrome.

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on May 29, 2018, 17:24
Evenepoel also finds himself in a very unique situation: he has a choice of stagiaire options. Does he go early to #axeon for a foretaste of next season or does he make a near-unprecedented jump straight to #quickstep for the late season? The latter will require Merckx Jr's help anyway, since UCI rules require a rider to be at the U23 level to do a stage.

Anyway the young Belgian told DirectVelo that he would have to accept one of the offers because "I reckon there isn't much to learn for me at the national and international Junior level. Given my weight and watts, I should be able to stick with the U23s on the climbs. It would be nice to be a World Champion but it wouldn't do much for my career progression."
Is it possible at all for a junior rider to become stagiaire with a pro team?
I would have thought that the barrier between juniors (who race against other juniors) and U23 (who race against other U23, but also against elite) is pretty strict.

I certainly can't remember any previous case of a junior doing a stint as stagiaire, no matter how talented they were.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on May 29, 2018, 18:44
Is it possible at all for a junior rider to become stagiaire with a pro team?
I would have thought that the barrier between juniors (who race against other juniors) and U23 (who race against other U23, but also against elite) is pretty strict.

I certainly can't remember any previous case of a junior doing a stint as stagiaire, no matter how talented they were.

I didn't think they could. I thought to be a stagiaire you had to be either U23 or Elite riding for a Conti team and never ridden for a Pro Conti or WT team.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on May 29, 2018, 20:39
Is it possible at all for a junior rider to become stagiaire with a pro team?
I would have thought that the barrier between juniors (who race against other juniors) and U23 (who race against other U23, but also against elite) is pretty strict.

I certainly can't remember any previous case of a junior doing a stint as stagiaire, no matter how talented they were.

I didn't think they could. I thought to be a stagiaire you had to be either U23 or Elite riding for a Conti team and never ridden for a Pro Conti or WT team.

Hard to say whether a junior is allowed at 18 to do a stage or whether joining #axeon early on paper would enable him to step up to #quickstep because, as you say, Axeon is PCT now. I don't know these rules. Perhaps he hadn't thought it through when asked or he just doesn't know himself. But he is meeting Lefevere this week so he will know then. :D
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on May 30, 2018, 06:21
I didn't think they could. I thought to be a stagiaire you had to be either U23 or Elite riding for a Conti team and never ridden for a Pro Conti or WT team.
You don't have to be on a Conti team; you can come from a national-level (vulgo amateur) team. You just mustn't have raced for a pro team before (on a full-year basis; previous stagiaire stints are OK).

Hard to say whether a junior is allowed at 18 to do a stage or whether joining #axeon early on paper would enable him to step up to #quickstep because, as you say, Axeon is PCT now. I don't know these rules. Perhaps he hadn't thought it through when asked or he just doesn't know himself. But he is meeting Lefevere this week so he will know then. :D
I think that if he joins #axeon for 2019 that would indeed preclude any stagiaire stays with #quickstep in 2019 or later as he would already be a pro. A future contract for 2019 wouldn't stop him from a 2018 stagiaire contract ... but his junior status probably would.

Here's the relevant paragraph from the rulebook:
Quote
2.15.110 bis
In addition, in the period between 1 August* and 31 December, each UCI WorldTeam may admit into the team three elite or under 23 trainees on the following conditions:
1. In the case of an elite rider, he shall not previously have belonged to any UCI WorldTeam or professional continental team;
2. The UCI WorldTeam must notify the UCI of these riders’ identity before 1 August;
3. The UCI WorldTeam shall obtain the authorisation of the national federation of the rider’s nationality and if applicable, the authorisation of the national federation of the continental team in which he is registered;
4. During that period, these riders may join only a single UCI WorldTeam;
5. These riders may only participate in races of the UCI continental circuits.
6. The riders in question may continue to take part in events in their club team or, if appropriate, in their UCI continental team.

* Upon justification of the participation in a stage race starting in July and ending in August, the registration of these riders may occur in July no earlier than the day before the first race day of the aforesaid race.

In all other respects, the relationship between these riders and the UCI WorldTeam shall be mutually agreed between the parties.
Condition 1 is interesting - I understand it to mean that U23 riders can go stagiaire at another team even though they're already on a pro contract.
So what I said above (#axeon contract for 2019 precludes #quickstep stagiaire stint in 2019 & later) is incorrect.

However, the rule pretty clearly states "elite or U23".

For the UCI, a rider's age for a year is defined as the age he has on 31 December of that year:
Quote
1.1.034
For participation in events on the international calendar, riders' categories are determined by the age of those competing as defined by the difference between the year of the event and the year of birth of the rider.


Quote
1.1.036
[...]
Juniors (MJ: Men Juniors)
This category shall comprise riders aged 17 and 18.

Under 23 (MU: Men Under 23)
This category shall comprise riders aged 19 to 22.
So Evenepoel is a junior in 2017 & 2018, and becomes an U23 rider on 1 January 2019.
There is a provision that allows second-year women juniors to participate in women elite races (outside the WWT, and racing for a national team, club team, or regional selection) - but the same provision does not exist for men juniors. And even if it did: #quickstep is a WT team. The teams who can enter WJ riders must not be registered with the UCI.

To sum up: I don't see any provision under which Evenepoel would be able to race as stagiaire with an elite team before 2019.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 01, 2018, 12:12
Seems like yesterday when last I thought, oh good, I can breathe a bit before the Nations Cup gets going again.

I have this sort of manic interest in putting together a consistent season of U23 notes just to see what it will look like at the end, but it's not easy when you know so few of the personalities involved.

And I thought wrongly because the GP Priessnitz Spa, aka the Course de la Paix or Peace Race, is underway.

What can you do in only two minutes of racing against the clock? You can get out of the start house, turn a corner or two and just sprint for the line.



Rasmus Tiller is the current *no élite RR champion. The 21-year old has had a steady, perhaps rather modest season so far, here beating one half of the #axeon Oliveira twins Ivo and last year's Paris-Roubaix U23 winner Nils Eekhoff, himself something of a specialist in short prologues.

Looking ahead, we have a rolling stage today and then two MTFs this weekend, so the GC should go to a decent climber.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 03, 2018, 17:48
Stage 1 of the GP Priessnitz Spa saw *be wunderkind Kobe Goossens, who finished dead last in the prologue, claw back a chunk of time as he finished fourth behind Italian Samuele Battistella in a successful breakaway.

Battistella, who had taken over the leader's jersey with that win, hung on in Stage 2 while the fabulous Swiss and Sunweb Dev rider Marc Hirschi took the stage.

Lying sixth overall going into the final stage, young Slovene Tadej Pogacar decided to gamble his GC consistency on a solo move which ended in a stage win and the overall title. Pogacar, who will be joining #uae next season, has had a solid Spring and is, in common with Battistella and Hirschi who completed the podium, still only 19 years old.



Next up in the Nations Cup is the big one, folks: the Tour de l'Avenir (17-26 August)!  :cool
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 03, 2018, 19:21
DJW tipped him already upthread but perhaps Remco Evenepoel shouldn't even qualify for mention on this thread. :D

OK, so he is under 23, but the lad has only just turned 18. The kid is so talented, #axeon has bagged him already for 2019.

Well, no more flying under the radar for Remco: he was interviewed on the national news this evening. Says he wants to be a stage racer.

Having met with Lefevere this week, Evenepoel has not signed a contract with #quickstep but he has made a gentlemen's agreement. He will probably do two seasons at #axeon in the meantime and Lefevere commented that his experience bringing over Narvaez from chez Merckx Jr was a positive one.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on June 03, 2018, 21:16
Having met with Lefevere this week, Evenepoel has not signed a contract with #quickstep but he has made a gentlemen's agreement. He will probably do two seasons at #axeon in the meantime and Lefevere commented that his experience bringing over Narvaez from chez Merckx Jr was a positive one.
Since there's talk of #quickstep being in dire straits financially practically every year:
What is the word on the Belgian cycling grapevine on Lefevere's team still being around in 2021 (when they would pick up Remco after two years with Merckx jr.)?
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 04, 2018, 09:35
Since there's talk of #quickstep being in dire straits financially practically every year:
What is the word on the Belgian cycling grapevine on Lefevere's team still being around in 2021 (when they would pick up Remco after two years with Merckx jr.)?

Honestly, I think most of it is hubris. Not just because Lefevere has the winningest team in the WT, but moreso because you have to look at who he is. In the media he is cautious, critical and frequently pessimistic. This Spring was the only time I ever saw him genuinely gleeful and even then he didn't like to make a big show of it.

Something is getting lost in translation though, because however unpleasant he comes across, particularly in the foreign media, few insiders will have anything bad to say about him. He is a shrewd businessman, the likes of whom are quite rare in cycling. I think only Spekenbrink stands out as a similar, younger example. Lefevere can talk to sponsors in their language as an equal and he is a well-known figure along the E17 corridor, where many of Belgium's successful homegrown businesses are based and where most of the money men come from his generation.

All of which is to suggest that it is better to look at his behaviour. Short-termism for Lefevere represents a certain reality in the sport and also a powerful bargaining tool but he is not someone who operates as if his team is about to fold.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 07, 2018, 19:38
The U23 "Baby" Giro d'Italia got started today with a prologue in Forlì, one of those towns that sounds like the home of some exotic pasta dish.

(https://www.giroditaliau23.it/giro18/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/GU23-18_Generale_plan-taglio.jpg)

(https://www.giroditaliau23.it/giro18/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/GU23-18_Generale_alt.jpg)

And we have a stacked field for this ten-stage spectacle: remember that this is mostly a "trade" team event rather than one exclusively for national teams that we see in the Nations Cup.

So we have #axeon, #seg, #polartec, #wiggins,  #astanacity, #mitchelton, #didata and the cream of club teams. Sadly no #dsu though.

ASD CICLISTICA MALMANTILE – Toscana
BIESSE CARRERA GAVARDO – Lombardia
CYCLING TEAM FRIULI – Friuli Venezia Giulia
DELIO GALLINA COLOSIO EUROFEED – Lombardia
DIMENSION DATA FOR QHUBEKA – Toscana
EQUIPO LIZARTE – Spain
GENERAL STORE BOTTOLI – Veneto/Lombardia
GS MALTINTI LAMPADARI – Toscana
HAGENS BERMAN AXEON CYCLING TEAM – USA
IAM CYCLING SA – Switzerland
ISEO SERRATURE RIME CARNOVALI – Lombardia/Trento
LOTTO SOUDAL U23 – Belgium
MASTROMARCO SENSI NIBALI – Toscana
MITCHELTON BIKE EXCHANGE – China
NAZIONALE COLOMBIA – Colombia
NAZIONALE RUSSA – Russia
PETROLI FIRENZE MASERATI HOPPLA’ – Toscana/Emilia-Romagna
POLARTEC – KOMETA CYCLING TEAM – Spain
SEG RACING ACADEMY – Netherlands
TEAM ASTANA CITY – Kazakhstan
TEAM COLPACK – Lombardia/Veneto
TEAM PALAZZAGO SOLIGO AMARU’ – Lombardia
TEAM WIGGINS – Great Britain
TIROL CYCLING TEAM – Austria
UC MONACO – Principato Di Monaco
UC PORTO SANT’ELPIDIO – Marche
VENDÉE U Pays De La Loire – France
VIRIS L&L SISAL MATCHPOINT VIGEVANO – Lombardia/Piemonte
ZALF EUROMOBIL DESIREE FIOR – Veneto
ZAPPI RACING TEAM – Great Britain

So without further ado, let's take a look at today's Prologue results:



Strong starts for some of the fastmen like Philipsen and Moschetti, although they will be expected to fall away when things go uphill in a few days' time.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 08, 2018, 10:22
There was a note of surprise at the finish of yesterday's Baby Giro Prologue after the day's best time was recorded by Aussie Drew Morey who is, for the moment at least, rather an unknown quantity in Europe but racing here with #mitchelton U23.

Turns out Morey turned up and started 30 seconds earlier than his allotted start time, taking the place of #seg's Gabriel Cullaigh.

Officials at the start allowed this but not informed the officials at the finish. So, a few minutes and 4.4km later, Cullaigh posted a very underwhelming time and Morey looked to have comfortably secured a big victory.

Eventually the correction was made before the printing of the first pink jersey.

https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/66778/giro-u23-prologue-il-part-trop-tot-et-frole-la-victoire (FR)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 08, 2018, 20:36
Not much to worry the sprinters today and Lonardi is one of the fastest among the current crop. Philipsen takes the overall lead although he would've probably preferred a win.



Tough ride with a long drag across the Apennines tomorrow with a hilltop finish.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 09, 2018, 15:30
Fat gaps, people, fat gaps.

The first uphill finish of this year's edition of the Bambino Giro ended with an impressive solo victory for 20-year old Markus Wildauer. This was the profile:

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1005351289423876096

The BOTD consisted mainly of rouleurs including maglia rosa wearer Philipsen #axeon but the last of them were caught inside the last 10km.

Wildauer rides for #tirol, a team which bravely decided to cut back all of its' senior riders and go exclusively U23 in order to continue in 2018.

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1005436645443821569

After a consistent if fairly unremarkable run at junior level, including a national TT title, Wildauer endured a very difficult 2017, riding mostly with the bigs and finishing relatively few races throughout the year. It's fair to say that he's still got a bit of a problem getting over that line but his results have improved after recalibrating to U23.

GC hopeful Robert Stannard #mitchelton stole a couple of seconds on his nearest rivals at the finish but no big conclusions to draw yet among the overall contenders. Back to the flat roads tomorrow.

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Flo on June 09, 2018, 17:58
Moschetti #polartec in 10th, quite impressive, from the profile it looks like the finale was quite tough and he normally struggles when the road goes uphill
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 11, 2018, 16:58
Philipsen gets his stage win.

https://twitter.com/JasperPhilipsen/status/1005875159033696257



And then this:

(https://www.giroditaliau23.it/giro18/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/GU23-2018_T04_alt-1.jpg)

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1006162654996713472



Suss or not? It's the Pavlov response to a duolo win and this is the Giro Bio, after all. But really, had I actually seen the stage, I would have known that this handsome couple only got together within the last 2km of the final climb and everyone else was all over the road by the finish.

Seventh-placed Zoccarato was in the BOTD and really wanted this but he was swept away by a late charge from Muñoz, who was joined by Osorio. On the line there was a tyre's width in favour of Greg Lemond Osorio, who took over the maglia rosa with the same time as a distraught Wildauer.

But there's much more to come: tomorrow's stage features two Cat 1s and another MTF.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Flo on June 12, 2018, 10:14
3rd placed Mäder was in the break as well, FWIW :)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 12, 2018, 15:20
(https://www.giroditaliau23.it/giro18/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/GU23-18_T05_alt.jpg)

Hard to pick the queen stage of the Baby Giro this year but this was probably it.

A BOTD full of talent rode off in search of glory but every rider was eventually brought back.

The final climb was 13km long and predictably scattered the field. Two *co national team riders Rubio and the "other" Muñoz found themselves in a group of four and made the effort to keep the maglia rosa in the team.

The gradient began to bite hard as Rubio jumped with just over a kilometre to go. Muñoz slipped back and was eventually overtaken by #seg climber Stevie Williams, who gained enough time on his nearest GC rivals to snatch the jersey.

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1006532130774675457

The winner of last month's Ronde de l'Isard now leads on GC from Osorio after the Colombian finished thirty seconds down while third on the stage Natarov also now sits in third overall. Anything can still happen, especially with such a strong *co team but Williams also has a solid team behind him, so he's got to be confident.

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 14, 2018, 10:44
Well it all went a bit pear-shaped for Williams on what should have been an easier day, albeit with a Cat 1 climb in the middle of it.

I don't have all the details but that or around there was where a group of four got away including GC danger Osorio *co and it looks like #seg had only Maas left to assist Williams in a chase group that also included third overall Natarov and eventually finished over two minutes down.

Bennett of #axeon took the stage from Stannard #mitchelton but as an active participant in that lead group, Osorio grabbed the maglia rosa with a comfortable margin over third place on the day Donovan #wiggins.



Such a big shake-up means that Osorio has 39 seconds over Donovan (who had been languishing in 10th overall after the big mountain stage) with Williams a now fairly distant third at 2:39 and Natarov pushed off the last podium step.

Another big MTF showdown today but with the way the *co contingent has been riding, is it game over already?

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1007163228642738179
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Flo on June 14, 2018, 13:16
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfpHc5IWsAYn9hJ.jpg)

Looking good boys :)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 14, 2018, 19:15
Here was today's sawtooth profile:

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1007163228642738179

Nineteen riders went away in the day's big move, many of them big names including Flo's favourite Moschetti, Philipsen, Bjerg and Burgaudeau.

And this was the final climb to the MTF:

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1007243873377292288

It was the platform for Stevie Williams, who lost the maglia rosa yesterday, to exact a revenge of sorts over his powerful *co rivals and he took a solo victory atop the Pian delle Fugazze, closely followed by Vlasov of #gazprom, who has been strong all week without troubling the podium.

Fifth over the line was 19-year old Mark Donovan of #wiggins who had leapt to second overall yesterday. The unassuming Brit had distanced pink jersey holder Osorio by almost a minute and now takes over the lead with three stages to go.

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1007294886838718464

One more big one tomorrow and then we might see things settling in ... although I've been wrong after every other stage so far.  :lol
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on June 14, 2018, 20:24
This is a great edition of the Baby Giro:
Lots of different tactics & stage winners, #rosa changing almost every day, and with two days left, the race is still open.

:cool
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 15, 2018, 15:17
*co came back with crushing performance today with another 1-2 in Asiago. This time it was turn of the "other" Muñoz and right behind him came Stage 5 winner Rubio. Although beaten in the final run-in, Vlasov crossed the line in third and got a podium result at last.

Here was the profile of the day:

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1007525616218976256

By the mid-stage HC climb of the Monte Grappa, maglia rosa Donovan was riding tempo in the peloton as solo breakaway Marlon Gaillard tried to salvage something from a bruising week for Vendée U.

Early race leader Wildauer attacked from a chasing group which included Rubio, Muñoz and Vlasov but which had only been allowed about 30 seconds of rope by the bunch.

The Austrian soon fell away as the chase group was whittled down to the trio mentioned and the peloton increased the pressure behind. Gaillard was finally caught and also dropped with about 25km to go.

At that point, the race exploded. By the finish, the trio had about a minute on U23 LBL winner Almeida #axeon, about 1'30"-2' on a couple of chasing groups of chasers and >2' on the peloton.

Due to a lack of specific information (one or two tweets an hour from the organisers), it's hard to figure out the exact circumstances, but it would seem that previous maglia rosa holder Osorio *co was in one of the chasing groups in between the trio and the bunch, so he finds himself once again in pink tonight.

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 20, 2018, 09:43
Now where were we? OK, so I was guessing every day what might happen and getting it wrong, largely because how the senior pros do it does not apply at this level.

OK, so we had a pretty short flat stage in the morning before the key ITT that would decide the GC. That was a bunch sprint won by sprinter Dainese but even here there were unexpected surprises. Maglia rosa Osorio crashed and lost 1:26 and that all but completely extinguished the hopes of a *co victory after such a strong week.

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1007904989145124865



Come the afternoon, a final 22km all-out effort against the clock was all that stood between 135 riders and a well-deserved rest. There was just the small matter of the overall race to decide and it would be decided on a parcours that was far from easy, with three ramps including the final 1km maxing out at 18%. Added to that, the top six on GC was all within two minutes.

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1007948401940369408

Vlasov of #gazprom had slipped into pink after the Colombian disaster. He had not been a stage winner but his performance throughout the week was marked by shrewdness and consistency rather than opportunism. Following that template of reliability for the last time, he put in a respectable performance that would seal him the overall title, while the superb rides of stage winner Stannard #mitchelton and TT specialist Almeida #axeon secured for them the other steps of the podium. U23 World TT champion Bjerg was third.



So there we are, folks. 22-year old Aleksandr Vlasov is your 2018 Baby Giro winner. Runners up Almeida and Stannard, who are both 19, also look like becoming stage racers in the future. Stannard is an obvious all-rounder but Almeida, who won the U23 LBL earlier this year, seems to be one of those talents who effectively hangs on in the mountains and then grabs time in the TTs.

https://twitter.com/giroditaliau23/status/1008027327790534657

A nice edition that kept us guessing every day and a surprisingly downbeat ending for the *co contingent because much of the unpredictability of the race was thanks to the escarabajos.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 20, 2018, 09:53
Time waits for no man (or woman), a fact of which riders at the U23 level, like most of their contemporaries in life, tend to be blissfully unaware, so let's crack on with some National RR results.

*no Torjus Sleen - a full #unox podium, with last year's surprise winner at élite senior level Tiller in third here.

*ch Lukas Ruegg - a season helping the bigs is beneficial back at this level; favourite Hirschi was third.

*de Max Kanter - bunch sprint won by bunch sprinter: quelle surprise ;)

*lu Pit Leyder - another winner who's been serving time with the bigs.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on June 20, 2018, 11:57
*ch Lukas Ruegg - a season helping the bigs is beneficial back at this level; favourite Hirschi was third.

*de Max Kanter - bunch sprint won by bunch sprinter: quelle surprise ;)

*lu Pit Leyder - another winner who's been serving time with the bigs.
It's worth noting that these were won in a combined *de *lu *ch race in Unna that, as you say, finished in a bunch sprint.
Would be very interesting to see the 'combined' result.
(https://www.rad-net.de/nachrichten/images/radnews/img44479.jpg)
Going by this photo, the result was:
1 *de Kanter
X *de M. Franz (relegated)
2 *de Rutsch
3 *ch Rüegg
4 *de Grosser
5 *de Gross
6 *ch Froidevaux
as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on June 20, 2018, 12:36
It's worth noting that these were won in a combined *de *lu *ch race in Unna that, as you say, finished in a bunch sprint.
Would be very interesting to see the 'combined' result.
(https://www.rad-net.de/nachrichten/images/radnews/img44479.jpg)
Going by this photo, the result was:
1 *de Kanter
X *de M. Franz (relegated)
2 *de Rutsch
3 *ch Rüegg
4 *de Grosser
5 *de Gross
6 *ch Froidevaux
as far as I can tell.

Wow, yeah, I hadn't actually noticed that. Very odd. Bit like back in the day when they used to let "foreigners" do the Aussie nats.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on September 21, 2018, 12:26
I have been somewhat remiss with this thread lately, especially because one of the goals was to follow some of the names to which we were introduced in Spring right through to stagiaire and/or pro contract.

We left the story just after the Nats but a good while before the final and most important round of the U23 Nations Cup, namely the Tour de l'Avenir. Let's look at the GC palmares since 2010:

2017 - BERNAL Egan
2016 - GAUDU David
2015 - SOLER Marc
2014 - LÓPEZ Miguel Ángel
2013 - FERNÁNDEZ Rubén
2012 - BARGUIL Warren
2011 - CHAVES Esteban
2010 - QUINTANA Nairo

And here's the top 10 of the very closely fought 2017 edition, showing those who would go on to sign for teams and those who we could expect to see again this year:

1. BERNAL Egan 29:56:33 --> #sky
2. LAMBRECHT Bjorg at 1:09 --> #tdflotto
3. EG Niklas at 1:12 --> #trek
4. HAMILTON Lucas at 1:28 --> #mitchelton
5. CRAS Steff at 2:03 --> #katusha
6. SCHLEGEL Michal at 2:06 --> #ccc
7. FOSS Tobias at 2:11 --> returns in 2018
8. KNOX James at 2:38 --> #quickstep
9. STORER Michael at 3:14 --> #sunweb
10. HINDLEY Jai at 4:10 --> #sunweb

While the time gaps weren't huge on last year's parcours, this time around and in common with the TdF, the riders faced a 36km mountain stage, as well as three stiff Alpine tests of a more normal length.

Many of the "usual suspects" turned up: a strong Colombian contingent now reinforced by the precocious Ivan Sosa, the complete Baby Giro podium of Vlasov, Almeida and Stannard and several hot tips already racing among the bigs including Brandon McNulty, Edward Dunbar, Damien Touze and Fernando Barcelo.

Future sprint king Max Kanter took the opening gallop while Alain Riou scored from the next day's BOTD to put himself in yellow at least until the TTT on Stage 4. Touze took Stage 3 in commanding fashion to continue the home nation's impressive run.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, *dk destroyed the TTT on a short 20km course, putting 13 seconds into nearest rival *be but a solid ride from third-placed *no put Hakon Aalrust into yellow. The stage was particularly tough on  *rw, already down to a duo after four of its riders DNF'd the previous day due to crashes and time limits, but Areruya and Mugisha did enough to stay in the race.

In this most crashy of Avenirs, Aalrust and Kanter both hit the deck and the Norwegian was forced to hand the jersey back to Riou who now held a comfortable cushion over his next nearest rival Andreas Stokbro on GC. Matthew Gibson won the mass sprint.

19-year old #uae recruit Alessandro Covi stole a win from the bunch on Stage 6 with a long BOTD success but the sharp end of the week was afoot and, having been patient on the flat, it was now Sosa's turn to shine on the short mountain stage, outsprinting McNulty - whose victory salute proved premature - and Tadej Pogacar after barely an hour of fierce racing.

At this point, Sosa was too far back on GC to draw closer than 13th overall, which meant that Pogacar, still only 19 and already the winner of this year's Peace Race in this year's Nations Cup, took over with a narrow lead. This set the scene for the stages to follow, with the entire top 10 on GC now inside a minute.

Stage 8 featured a long, rather uneventful approach to the Col de Saisies and, perhaps more importantly, its descent, the bottom of which would bring the peloton within 2km of the uphill finish. Swiss talent Gino Mäder climbed with the leaders but distanced them downhill, hanging on to a fifteen-second gap to take the victory from an élite group in a result that did little to change the overall standings.

The penultimate stage included the major obstacles of Les Arcs and the MTF at Val d'Isère and Fernando Barcelo made his big solo attack on the penultimate climb of the day. Meanwhile, isolated but more than capable of following the moves of the day, Pogacar put a big stamp on GC by attacking with 20km to go. Sosa, who had been riding through illness, could not follow and would lose well over a minute, while McNulty punctured on the final climb and lost almost five. The Slovene leader had Barcelo in his sights as he and Luxembourgeois rival Michel Ries hacked away at the last few kilometres but the the bold Spaniard would hold on for a famous win.

Pogacar could now contemplate the final day, from Val d'Isère to the Col du Glandon, with a comfortable 1:07 margin over Ries but, with the Col de l'Iseran in between, he had every reason to feel trepidation. As it turned out, however, the organisers were forced to shorten the stage due to conditions on the Iseran and so the race started further along the route.

If Pogacar enjoyed any benefit from skipping the Iseran, he would quickly lose it on the descent of the Col de Chaussy, where he mistook a corner and, while narrowly avoiding a crash, found himself dropped by the other contenders. The demon descender Mäder had no such problems and built himself a decent gap, lying thirty seconds on virtual GC before being reeled in with six kilometres to go. Pogacar eventually regained contact and looked on as Mäder, seemingly undaunted by being caught, outsprinted Dunbar for the stage. The Swiss also took third step on the GC podium behind Dutchman Thyman Arensman who had himself ridden a more measured, tactical race.

But it was Pogacar who retained yellow and won the 2018 Tour de l'Avenir. Another #uae signing for next year, given due time and careful coaching, he will surely become a future Grand Tour contender.

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on September 21, 2018, 12:31
More upcoming names here:



Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on September 24, 2018, 08:14
https://twitter.com/FirstCycling/status/927493606360993792

An interview with the future of Finnish cycling.

The future is now!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnzFuXhX0AUCZS3.jpg)

Hanninen slew the mighty Taaramachine at the  Tour du Gevaudan Occitanie. Former winners include Guillaume Martin, Pinot and......Rebellin.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2a0gro7.png)

Plenty of climbing including two ascents of Montee Jalabert towards the end of the race.

https://www.twd.fi/?x118281=460396

Quote from: Hanninen
When I looked at the start list, I thought I could be in the 15th place. As the race progressed, I noticed that there are opportunities for the top 10. The point I saw is that there are opportunities for four. And soon I was fighting for the victory of the race. Yes, this is an incredible feeling

https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/69531/tour-du-gevaudan-les-reactions

Quote from: Taaramae
I'm a little disappointed today because I'm beaten by an amateur. But when you know the level of the pros and we know that I'm doing well at the moment, as we saw the weeks spent on great races, I can say that the one who won (Jaakko Hanninen) will be a great champion in the future. He was really impressive.

My feeling is that he'll end up at the new Groupama CT team next year (Jussi has given him help and advice in the past), but performances like this might even have him on the radar of PCT outfits.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: L'arri on October 03, 2018, 13:11
#rainbow #rainbow #rainbow Mikkel BJERG *dk ITT  #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow

Of course it was.



#rainbow #rainbow #rainbow Marc HIRSCHI *ch RR  #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow

Hirschi Bar has been racing toward this result, the U23 World RR title, for two seasons already and with his talent he deserves to be around a lot longer than that dreadful wisp of hair he's been growing on his face.

Still only 20, Marc's not become a prolific winner yet but he can climb, do a more than respectable TT and descend like a stone. And I think, with the sport as it is today, downhilling probably now deserves a bigger spot than ever on the young pro's to-do list.

Compact and light but with a good engine, he is certainly a potential GC package, but it's still hard to say with the U23 calendar still rather dominated by one-day events.



It wasn't all about Hirschi and his compatriots, even if *ch rode like the best team on the day. A lot of other nations showed up for the race, with the notable exception of *co, which really should have done better on this, the ideal parcours. *gb and *fr deserve a mention even if neither got a medal out of it.

Lambrecht was second again but a very strong result for a young man who has been doing the hard yards all year. He has a super fast finish for a lightweight but didn't really have to push it in the finale against Hanninen, who produced an extraordinary, if not entirely unexpected performance after his recent Gevaudan Occitanie result (see above). Sure he was pretty much cooked on the last lap but that he was still there at all is remarkable: like Stake Laengen in the bigs, he's a hefty fellow to be getting over those climbs.

Following up on an excellent summer, Mader was one of the strongest riders in the race and did a great preparatory job for Hirschi. Perhaps the strongest of all was the tenacious Padun, who was caught and dropped after striking out too early but still kept the leaders in sight all the way to the line.

Finally Pogacar, who has achieved arguably the best U23 stage race palmares this year without the kind of support enjoyed by representatives of the big nations, still managed to get a top 10 in a war of attrition that became increasingly tactical.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: M Gee on October 03, 2018, 15:12
. . .
Plenty of climbing including two ascents of Montee Jalabert towards the end of the race.
 . . .

Have they given Laurent his own mountain?   :S  :lol
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 03, 2018, 16:40
Have they given Laurent his own mountain?   :S  :lol

You surprise me that you didn't know that the Côte de la Croix Neuve into Mende was renamed, in time for the Tour's visit there in 2005, the  Montée Laurent Jalabert in honour of his 1995 stage win there.

Usually gets a few mentions any time they climb up to the airport.
Roadsign pic from French Wiki (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/BorneJalabert.jpg)

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on November 12, 2018, 08:54
https://twitter.com/ChrisLeMevel/status/1061712613934018560

http://www.be-celt.com/2018/11/11/royaume-uni-stuart-balfour-cotes-darmor-elu-meilleur-espoir-2018-par-la-dave-rayner-fund/

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Yesterday evening in Leeds (England), the Scot Stuart Balfour (Côtes d'Armor Marie Morin Veranda Rideau) was elected by the foundation "  The Dave Rayner Fund ", best British runner hope. The last winner of the Plouay Amateur Grand Prix succeeds Chris Lawless (Team Sky). He also joins, on the laureates' shelf, runners like Dan Martin (UAE Emirates), Adam Yates (Scott Mitchelton), Owain Doull (Team Sky), James Shaw (Lotto Soudal) and Tao Geoghegan Hart (Team Sky) in 2016 , Dan McLay (EF First Education by Drapac) and many others since the very first with David Millar.

Interview (http://www.be-celt.com/2018/11/06/stuart-balfour-braveheart-venu-decosse/) with him from a week ago.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on March 15, 2019, 14:09
https://twitter.com/LGSCyclingTeam/status/1106552467599360000

The Hungarians are coming!

20 year old Valter winning today on the cobbled climb into Labin on stage 1 of the Istarsko Proljece. He was also third overall at Antalya the other week, but really came to prominence last year with a third on a stage of the Okolo Slovenska.

Things are looking quite rosy for the Magyars with Peak and Dina also making their mark.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 01, 2019, 15:03
I'm assuming there isn't an official "Juniors" thread, but this future U23 rider should be one to watch.

17-year-old American Quinn Simmons.

(http://luxcycling.com/app/uploads/2018/11/38025465_10155646697771334_7854417212017213440_n.jpg)

I only just became aware of him because he won the Junior Gent-Wevelgem this past weekend, the first American to ever do so (beating out three Brits behind him, and easily clear of the field).

(https://dur-duweb.newscyclecloud.com/storyimage/DU/20190331/SPORTS01/190339950/AR/0/AR-190339950.jpg?ts=1554067364&maxw=700)
(I don't know about ya'll, but those junior podium girls look creepy to me.)

It looks like he might have quite a future. I'm curious to see how he does at the World Championships this year.

The last American Jr. to win worlds was Jeff Evanshine who won back in 1991 (subsequently busted for doping; prepared by the notorious René Wenzel, etc, etc, etc.) Prior to that, the only other American Jr. to win Worlds was Greg LeMond in 1979.


Inside Quinn Simmons’s historic Gent-Wevelgem victory (https://www.velonews.com/2019/03/news/inside-quinn-simmonss-historic-gent-wevelgem-victory_491587)

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Hours before he raced solo down the streets of Wevelgem, becoming the first American to win the junior men’s race at Gent-Wevelgem, 17-year-old Quinn Simmons found himself on the back foot. Minutes after the peloton left the starting line in Ypres, Simmons crashed and destroyed his cycling shoe.

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The victory marks the latest chapter in the growing book of Simmons’s accolades. Simmons hails from Durango, Colorado, and showed early talents in mountain bike racing. In 2018 Simmons won the U.S. national title in both the junior road race and junior mountain bike race. He turned heads within the U.S. domestic road scene after he won Arizona’s Valley of the Sun professional race while riding for the Lux development team.

(https://dur-duweb.newscyclecloud.com/storyimage/DU/20190331/SPORTS01/190339950/EP/1/1/EP-190339950.jpg)

Durango’s Quinn Simmons first American winner of junior Gent-Wevelgem
 (https://durangoherald.com/articles/270297)(Video of win embedded in link)

Next stop, Paris-Roubaix on April 14.  :cool
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: LukasCPH on April 01, 2019, 17:54
(https://dur-duweb.newscyclecloud.com/storyimage/DU/20190331/SPORTS01/190339950/AR/0/AR-190339950.jpg?ts=1554067364&maxw=700)
(I don't know about ya'll, but those junior podium girls look creepy to me.)
Until it became part of the Gent-Wevelgem race day, the U23 race was (and still is) known as the "Kattekoers" (Cats' race). The U19 is known as the GP Noyelle, the U17 is the "Katjeskoers" (Little cats' race).

So the podium girls for all three races are dressed as cats (with red mice on their arms).
It is ... different. :snooty
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on April 27, 2019, 19:14
https://twitter.com/LGSCyclingTeam/status/1106552467599360000

The Hungarians are coming!

20 year old Valter winning today on the cobbled climb into Labin on stage 1 of the Istarsko Proljece. He was also third overall at Antalya the other week, but really came to prominence last year with a third on a stage of the Okolo Slovenska.

https://twitter.com/U23CyclingZone/status/1121004479980232704
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 30, 2019, 04:02
Durango’s Quinn Simmons first American winner of junior Gent-Wevelgem
 (https://durangoherald.com/articles/270297)(Video of win embedded in link)

Next stop, Paris-Roubaix on April 14.  :cool

Just to follow up on this a bit...

It turns out that Paris-Roubaix was quite the target for him this year, and he was extremely unhappy with his 20th place finish, as he had been preparing for this for a couple of years. Things did not go as planned. (https://durangoherald.com/articles/272483)

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In the junior men’s race that was nearly 69 miles long, Durango’s Quinn Simmons placed 20th. The 17-year-old was seventh at Roubaix a year earlier despite a crash and a flate tire. This year, he was frustrated by his result, especially coming off a win a the Gent-Wevelgem junior race in Belgium two weeks earlier.

“When people lose sight of the overall goal you get beat,” Simmons said in a post to Instagram. “Days like today show you who your true friends are. :-x No stone for me but I will keep coming back until I get one. Hopefully the next time I’m here will be with the big boys.

The race juniors was won by Hidde van Veenendaal in 2:44:29. Simmons finished in the group 17 seconds behind the winning time. France’s Hugo Toumire was second, and Lars Boven of the Netherlands finished third.

Simmons said his equipment and legs were good this year.

“Today wasn’t the day,” he said in another Instagram post. “Good legs, good equipment, and good preparation can only get you so far. Spent the last 2 years preparing for this day so it hurts. Some would say ‘that’s bike racing,’ but it’s a lot more (than) that.”

Simmons, the reigning junior road race national champion, will compete at nationals again this year and will now turn his big focus to the 2019 UCI Road World Championships in September in Yorkshire, England.
:cool

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Disappointed and a bit angry (https://durangoherald.com/articles/274151), Simmons channeled his emotions into the four-stage Ster van Zuid-Limburg race in the Netherlands. Simmons finished second, one second behind his teammate Michael Garrison, in the time trial. Magnus Sheffield gave the USA Cycling juniors squad a podium sweep with a third-place result. Simmons was able to win the fourth-and-final stage. USA Cycling claimed the team victory in Holland.

(https://dur-duweb.newscyclecloud.com/storyimage/DU/20190425/SPORTS01/190429748/AR/0/AR-190429748.jpg)

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Still, the sting of seeing the pre-race plan fall apart at Paris-Roubaix is hard for the young rider to swallow. He doesn’t know when he will get another shot at Roubaix. While there is an under-23 race, it will be up to his future team to decide which events he can race, and he may not make it back until he reaches the elite level.

“Roubaix, I’m using that disappointment as motivation for the rest of the year and going into the world championships in Yorkshire later this year,” he said. “Roubaix was my biggest goal of spring. This year, we had that unique, block headwind all day. For the juniors, that kind of slows the race down because there’s not enough firepower like pro races where big teams put guys on the front to keep the speed high. The slower race works worse for me and keeps more people in contention.

“We had a plan going in to have guys ride the front, keep it relatively together but to try to make it hard enough through the cobble sectors. One of our guys went up the road in one of the last couple sectors and blew it up. That put myself and other guys on the team riding defensively trying to shut down moves. Being the most-marked rider, everyone sat in the group watching what I was doing. I could only cover so many things, and a couple guys slipped away. With gour guys away and all the other teams following me around with only 10 (kilometers) to go to the line, we didn’t have the chase to catch the guys.”

Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on April 30, 2019, 09:03
Michael Garrison was the offending party (from his view point anyway).

If you haven't read the Gila thread, they're not just USA junior team mates, but they also ride for the same team over in the States (LUX/Sideshow p/b Specialized).
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on June 15, 2019, 18:56
https://twitter.com/Tour_de_Hongrie/status/1139894207764750344

Okay Dina is actually too old for this thread, but him and Valter are still impressing. Just to buck the trend of CX + Road = Wins, they both come from MTB backgrounds. I'm not 100% sure, but I think Valter has already done enough to qualify for the Olympics in that event.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Leadbelly on July 20, 2019, 08:32
In lieu of a junior thread, this can go here.

https://twitter.com/directvelo/status/1152463394479464449

It's not just Rujano's offspring that are making waves.
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 10, 2019, 22:59
A bit of a double-post, but whatevs... :P

More Quinn-time. (https://www.velonews.com/2019/08/news/grotts-tops-worldtour-road-pros-to-win-third-leadville_499018)  :cool


Leadville Trail 100 Elite Men’s Results:

1. Howard Grotts, Specialized, 6:19:18
2. Quinn Simmons, Lux Cycling, at 3:06  :snooty

3. Lachlan Morton,  #ef EF Education First, at 3:24
4. Peter Stetina,  #tdftrek Trek-Segafredo, at 3:25
5. Alex Howes,  #ef EF Education First, at 7:47


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The most impressive ride of the day, however, belonged to 18-year-old Quinn Simmons (Lux Cycling), who caught the chase group on the run-in to the finish and then won the sprint for second place overall.

Simmons was competing in his first ever Leadville 100—previously he was too young to register for the event.

Simmons closed a six-minute gap in the waning miles of the race to catch the WorldTour road riders. Simmons said he suffered four flat tires on the course—some of which came from thumb tacks on the course.

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“I flatted four times—someone threw tacks on the course and I flatted four times and had three kilometers of riding on the rim going down [the] Powerline [descent],” Simmons told VeloNews. “By the second feed zone someone told me I was 10:45 back. I rode it back to five minutes by the top of Powerline and caught these guys on the top of Powerline on the second time up.”

Simmons is a rising star of U.S. pro cycling, and in 2018 won the U.S. junior national titles in the road race, criterium, and cross-country mountain biking. In April he became the first American to ever win the junior version of Gent-Wevelgem.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBoXNVJWkAEZ8Y2.jpg)
Title: Re: U23 news, results, rumours and all that jazz
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 16, 2019, 21:16
Things are warming-up in the lead up to Worlds.  :cool

https://twitter.com/USACjuniors/status/1167744110998052864

https://twitter.com/USACjuniors/status/1167743260929994752

https://twitter.com/FirstCycling/status/1168133923165167616

https://twitter.com/19U23/status/1172885979180544000

https://twitter.com/FirstCycling/status/1173165168685195265

https://twitter.com/FirstCycling/status/1173270635033890817