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Title: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: DJW on October 12, 2016, 21:33
Sir Gary has done it again! :D

https://twitter.com/yorkshire2019/status/786235411014103040
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Flo on October 12, 2016, 22:55
Who is Gary :S

No surprise, it wouldn't have been my choice but it was to be expected. The UCI will exploit the British dominance in cycling for as long as they can.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: AG on October 13, 2016, 00:33
compared with the crowds and the pancake flat course this year - Yorkshire will be amazing
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 13, 2016, 06:37
Who is Gary :S
Gary Verity. Boss of Welcome To Yorkshire (the local tourism agency) and the guy who organised the 2014 Grand Départ.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: search on October 13, 2016, 07:38
I don't see a problem with World Championships in GB at all, in contrary. And with Bergen, Tirol, Yorkshire and (potentially) Bogota we should have some good races secured for the coming years now
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 13, 2016, 07:44
Who is Gary :S

No surprise, it wouldn't have been my choice but it was to be expected. The UCI will exploit the British dominance in cycling for as long as they can.

who would have been

TBH I think it will be great they can have some really hard racing if they want, Crowds will be enormous, maybe even too big, it could right awful weather so a real hardmans rider should be WC

I don't see a problem with World Championships in GB at all, in contrary. And with Bergen, Tirol, Yorkshire and (potentially) Bogota we should have some good races secured for the coming years now

agree   
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: search on October 13, 2016, 07:47
Crowds will be enormous, maybe even too big

well, still three years until 2019, Stuttgart 2007 didn't turn out as expected as well, and you can never really know how things develop in those type of countries... but at the moment it's looking good, yes
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: DJW on October 13, 2016, 09:25

TBH I think it will be great they can have some really hard racing if they want, Crowds will be enormous, maybe even too big, it could right awful weather so a real hardmans rider should be WC


The weather could make it really interesting. The Grand Depart and TdY have looked great but get a wet and windy ToB stage and the peloton is usually in shreds.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Flo on October 13, 2016, 10:02
Don't know, I don't have an issue with the location, could be a great race with bad weather, but I'm just not a big fan of all this drooling over British cycling and while I'I have no doubt that even if a nicer location had presented itself, the UCI would have picked Yorkshire because Britain drool drool :luv
I mean I understand the idea of building an interest in the sport in countries that don't really have a huge (road) cycling background but it's too much, we also saw another British bid for the 2018? Grand Depart and I don't think anyone would he surprised if they got it

And why again Yorkshire  :S are they trying to convince the fans Yorkshire is the only part of the United Kingdom that's not flat and boring?

PS remember when Ponferrada had designed great super tough routes and the UCI said no the races have to be easier and more boring?
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: search on October 13, 2016, 10:37
well, we have had something like a handful of Dutch GT starts over the past years + a World Championship. I just don't see the issue tbh.

And so far Yorkshire has delivered clearly the best races of those new ones in Britain, so personally I'm very happy that it's Yorkshire again - and it's 2019, that's over 5 years after the Tour de France grand depart
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Flo on October 13, 2016, 10:47
well, we have had something like a handful of Dutch GT starts over the past years + a World Championship. I just don't see the issue tbh.
Yes and that's also pathetic and disgusting. There are over 40 countries in Europe, no need to use one location 4 or 5 times in a decade.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 13, 2016, 11:28
Yes and that's also pathetic and disgusting. There are over 40 countries in Europe, no need to use one location 4 or 5 times in a decade.

so but not all of them want it and not all them could pay
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Capt_Cavman on October 13, 2016, 12:13
Don't know, I don't have an issue with the location, could be a great race with bad weather, but I'm just not a big fan of all this drooling over British cycling and while I'I have no doubt that even if a nicer location had presented itself, the UCI would have picked Yorkshire because Britain drool drool :luv
I mean I understand the idea of building an interest in the sport in countries that don't really have a huge (road) cycling background but it's too much, we also saw another British bid for the 2018? Grand Depart and I don't think anyone would he surprised if they got it

And why again Yorkshire  :S are they trying to convince the fans Yorkshire is the only part of the United Kingdom that's not flat and boring?

PS remember when Ponferrada had designed great super tough routes and the UCI said no the races have to be easier and more boring?
One of the advantages with Yorkshire is that it's very large (relative to other unitary areas) and vary varied. This means that you can have pretty much any sort of race you want, anything from the pan flat around York to the sort of terrain that makes LBL look a little bit uneven. The finishing location will reveal what sort of race it is to be: West is good, East is boring (assuming the North Yorkshire Moors are out of the equation).

Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 13, 2016, 13:35
Don't know, I don't have an issue with the location, could be a great race with bad weather, but I'm just not a big fan of all this drooling over British cycling and while I'I have no doubt that even if a nicer location had presented itself, the UCI would have picked Yorkshire because Britain drool drool :luv
I mean I understand the idea of building an interest in the sport in countries that don't really have a huge (road) cycling background but it's too much, we also saw another British bid for the 2018? Grand Depart and I don't think anyone would he surprised if they got it

And why again Yorkshire  :S are they trying to convince the fans Yorkshire is the only part of the United Kingdom that's not flat and boring?

PS remember when Ponferrada had designed great super tough routes and the UCI said no the races have to be easier and more boring?

 Precisely why Yorkshire again is because of what Yorkshire delivered the last time and they put the bid in, not Wales (unfortunately) or Scotland..
Can't blame the UCI for not looking this particular gift horse in the mouth.
They aren't going to turn their noses up at such a lucrative venue, just because you don't like Britain, Flo. :D
Globally, it will be as prominent as Qatar is currently obscure.



Another plus will be that Colombia must now be odds on for 2020, given that Yorkshire will make it the third successive year in Europe.
That's if Yorkshire is still part of Europe, come 2019. :-x
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on October 13, 2016, 15:15
Well if it's anything like stage 2 of the TdF was last year then we're in for a treat.

I'll be gutted if they go for a flat parcours though.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Capt_Cavman on October 13, 2016, 16:15
Well if it's anything like stage 2 of the TdF was last year then we're in for a treat.

I'll be gutted if they go for a flat parcours though.
Assuming you mean 2014?

York to Sheffield = Awesome
Sheffield to York = Awful
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on October 13, 2016, 16:25
Assuming you mean 2014?

York to Sheffield = Awesome
Sheffield to York = Awful

Yeah. Whichever year it was.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: DJW on October 13, 2016, 16:39
A route that incorporates some of the steadier climbs and scenery of the Dales, the crazy steep roads of West and South Yorkshire and bits of the Peak District where the crowds were covering the moors in 2014 would suit me.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Archieboy on October 13, 2016, 16:44
Jenkin road ripped stage 2 apart
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 13, 2016, 17:56
Assuming you mean 2014?

York to Sheffield = Awesome
Sheffield to York = Awful
Anything that finishes in Sheffield will do.
I think they don't have any other choice for the road race - Sheffield is the only substantial city that is close enough to hilly terrain.

The TTTs and ITTs can then be held in other, more rural and/or flatter territory.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Slow Rider on October 13, 2016, 20:52
That hilly Tour stage in Yorkshire got a pretty worthy winner - here's hoping for a repeat!

Pretty good choice from the UCI. A region where cycling is popular yet still has room to develop further, with potential for good crowds and an interesting parcours. Don't really understand Flo's idea that this is an obsession with the Brits: the grand depart will be 5 years ago in 2019, the last UK world championships - which, unlike Tour starts, the UCI actually has an influence on - will have been 37 (!) years ago. Makes perfect sense to go there again, even leaving aside the economic reasons which are obviously the biggest factor.

After this year's non-event in Qatar, this should mean there are at least three interesting WCs coming up. Colombia in 2020 would make it four.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on July 09, 2018, 09:30
https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20180709_03604205

2018: Bye Bye TTT

2019: Hello Mixed TTT
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2018, 19:09
https://twitter.com/Yorkshire2019/status/1045009326195306496

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/45652199

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Men and women will race together for their nations for the first time in the 2019 Road World Championships in Yorkshire.

The team time-trial mixed relay is being introduced as part of a drive to "encourage gender equality".

"We have pledged to deliver an inclusive, innovative and inspiring World Championships," Yorkshire 2019 chairman Chris Pilling said.

"We are therefore enormously excited to be the first host to integrate Para-cycling into the programme."

The road races will have long run-ins (which weren't allowed in recent years?) to the finishing circuit. The circuit around Harrogate will be 14km long and undulating rather than hilly.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2018, 19:29
https://twitter.com/LasterketaBurua/status/1045010419260289024
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: DJW on December 27, 2018, 17:01
Planning to be in Yorkshire for about a week for this (with a wedding on the Saturday). If anyone else is planning on attending we could have a Velorooms pub meet up 😃
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: DJW on March 30, 2019, 15:05
https://t.co/DgPutl6C2x

Awful story but hardly surprising given recent revelations regarding British cycling
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on July 31, 2019, 18:35
 As I said in chat.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/bridge-collapses-yorkshire-2019-world-championships-course-433349


Good luck fixing this in 7 weeks.

(https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-31-at-16.46.04-1620x1082.png)

It'll take them 7 months to put a temporary crossing in.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 07, 2019, 17:10
I didn't see a thread on the European Road Championships, but this caught my eye in the CN article: (http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/uec-road-european-championships-2019/mixed-relay/results/)

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The new format, which replaces the trade team time trials and will form part of the World Championships next month, saw each nation send three men around the 22.4km course, followed by three women.

Are they planning on something similar for Yorkshire?
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on August 07, 2019, 18:09
I didn't see a thread on the European Road Championships, but this caught my eye in the CN article: (http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/uec-road-european-championships-2019/mixed-relay/results/)

Are they planning on something similar for Yorkshire?
Yes.

It basically takes the place of the trade team time trials.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 07, 2019, 19:18
Yes.

It basically takes the place of the trade team time trials.
First I've heard of this. Very cool.  :cool (I think)

How many riders per team?
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on August 07, 2019, 19:39
How many riders per team?
Good question. I think it'll be 3 men + 3 women, like at the Euros (and the African champs before that).
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 09, 2019, 17:57
Some teams have been announced over the past week or two.

#teambe

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEBZ1DVWkAAkMFq?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEBasXHWsAACpqG?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEBbI1MWsAE_B7V?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 09, 2019, 18:25
#teamnl

https://www.knwu.nl/nieuws/wk-selectie-wegwielrennen-voor-yorkshire-bekend

Elite men

Individual time trial:

Dylan van Baarle
Jos van Emden

Road race:

Mathieu van der Poel
Niki Terpstra
Bauke Mollema
Dylan van Baarle
Mike Teunissen
Sebastian Langeveld
Jos van Emden
Pieter Weening

Elite women

Individual time trial:

Annemiek van Vleuten
Anna van der Breggen
Lucinda Brand

Road race: (150 km)

Anna van der Breggen
Chantal Blaak
Lucinda Brand
Amy Pieters
Floortje Mackaij
Annemiek van Vleuten
Demi Vollering
Marianne Vos

Promises men

Time trial:

Nils Eekhoff
Daan Hoole

Road race:

Marijn van den Berg
Nils Eekhoff
Pascal Eenkhoorn
Daan Hoole
Ide Schelling

Junior men

Time trial:

Lars Up
Enzo Leijnse

Road race:

Lars Up
Enzo Leijnse
Axel van der Tuuk
Casper van Uden
Hidde van Veenendaal

Junior women

Time trial:

Shirin van Anrooij
Leonie Bos
Femke Gerrits

Road race:

Shirin van Anrooij
Ilse Pluimers
Femke Gerritse
Silke Smulders
Lieke Nooijen
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 10, 2019, 17:54
#teamno

https://www.sykling.no/article/uttak-til-vm-landevei-yorkshire-2019

Tempo K Junior, Mandag 23 september (14 km)

-Tuva Byberg, Stavanger SK
-Anne Dorthe Ysland, Gauldal SK

Tempo M Junior, Mandag 23 september (28 km)

-Fredrik Finnesand, Sandnes SK
-Johannes Staune-Mittet, Lillehammer CK

Tempo M U23, Tirsdag 24 september, (30 km)

-Tobias Foss, Lillehammer CK / UNO-X Norwegian Development Team
-Iver Johan Knotten, Tønsberg CK

Tempo K Senior, Tirsdag 24 september (30 km)

-Vita Heine, Fana IL Sykkel / Hitec Products – Birk Sport
-Katrine Aalerud, Vestby SK / Team Virtu Cycling Women

Fellesstart M Junior, Torsdag 26 september (147 km)

-Fredrik Finnesand, Sandnes SK
-Johannes Staune-Mittet, Lillehammer CK
-Tord Gudmestad, Stavanger SK
-Sakarias Løland, Ringerike SK
-Vegard Stokke, Glåmdal SK

Fellesstart K Junior, Fredag 27 september (92 km)

-Silje Mathisen, Halden CK
-Elise Marie Olsen, Halden CK
-Anne Dorthe Ysland, Gauldal SK
-Siste plass på laget står mellom Rikke Enstad eller Natalie Midtsveen (Uttaket blir tatt etter helgens ritt)

Fellesstart M U23, Fredag 27 september (193 km)

-Idar Andersen, Gauldal SK / UNO-X Norwegian Development Team
-Jonas Iversby Hvideberg, Fredrikstad SK / UNO-X Norwegian Development Team
-Tobias Foss, Lillehammer CK / UNO-X Norwegian Development Team
-Ludvig Holstad, Lillehammer CK / Joker Fuel of Norway
-Torjus Sleen, Tønsberg CK / UNO-X Norwegian Development Team
-Martin Bugge Urianstad, Stavanger SK / UNO-X Norwegian Development Team

Fellesstart K Senior, Lørdag 28 september (150 km)

-Susanne Andersen, Stavanger SK / Team Sunweb
-Stine Borgli, CK Victoria / FDJ Nouvelle Aquitaine Futuroscope
-Vita Heine, Fana IL Sykkel / Hitec Products – Birk Sport
-Ingvild Gåskjenn, Horten OCK / Hitec Products – Birk Sport
-Katrine Aalerud, Vestby SK / Team Virtu Cycling Women

Fellesstart M Senior, Søndag 29 september (285 km)

-Sven Erik Bystrøm, Stavanger SK / UAE Team Emirates
-Alexander Kristoff, Stavanger SK / UAE Team Emirates
-Vegard Stake Laengen, Asker CK / Uae Team Emirates
-Edvald Boasson Hagen, Lillehammer CK / Team Dimension Data
-Carl Fredrik Hagen, Sagene IF Sykkel / Lotto Soudal
-Amund Grøndahl Jansen, Nes SK / Jumbo-Visma
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 11, 2019, 20:20
#teamca

https://www.cyclingcanada.ca/sport/road-2/news/cycling-canada-announces-road-world-championships-team-3/

Team Canada [TT – Time Trial, RR – Road Race]

Elite Men

Guillaume Boivin – Montreal, QC [RR]
Antoine Duchesne – Saguenay, QC [RR]
Hugo Houle – Sainte-Perpétue, QC [TT, RR]
Benjamin Perry – St.Catharines, ON [RR]
James Piccoli – Montreal, QC [RR]
Mike Woods – Ottawa, ON [RR]

Elite Women

Marie-Soleil Blais – Saint-Rosaire, QC [RR]
Karol-Ann Canuel – Gatineau, QC [TT, RR]
Gillian Ellsay – Courtenay, BC [RR]
Alison Jackson – Vermilion, AB [RR]
Sara Poidevin – Canmore, AB [RR]
Other rider – TBD

Under-23 Men

Evan Burtnik – Edmonton, AB [RR]
Pier-André Côté – Levis, QC [RR]
Adam Roberge – Montreal, QC
Nickolas Zukowsky – Ste-Lucie-des-Laurentides, QC [TT, RR]

Junior Women

Adèle Desgagnés – Montreal, QC [RR]
Laury Milette – Gatineau, QC [RR]
Camille Primeau – Rosemère, QC [TT, RR]
Magdeleine Vallières-Mill – Sherbrooke, QC [TT, RR]

Junior Men

Lukas Carreau – La Prairie, QC [RR]
Tristan Jussaume – Contrecoeur, QC
Raphael Parisella – Boucherville, QC [RR]
Riley Pickrell – Victoria, BC [RR]
Jacob Rubuliak – Kelowna, BC [TT, RR]
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 12, 2019, 18:18
#teamie

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/cycling-news-item/cycling-ireland-confirms-squad-for-uci-road-world-championships-/24385

Elite Men Road Race

·       Conor Dunne

·       Dan Martin

·       Eddie Dunbar

·       Sam Bennett

·       Rory Townsend

·       Ryan Mullen

 

Elite Men Time Trial

·       Eddie Dunbar

·       Ryan Mullen

 

Elite Women Road Race 

·       Alice Sharpe

 

Elite Women Time Trial

·       Anna Turvey

·       Kelly Murphy

 

U23 Men Road Race

·       Ben Healy

 

U23 Men Time Trial

·       Ben Healy

·       Michael O’Loughlin

 

Junior Men Road Race

·       Archie Ryan

·       Kevin McCambridge

 

Junior Men Time Trial

·       Finley Newmark

·       Kevin McCambridge

 

Junior Women Road Race 

·       Lara Gillespie

·       Lucy O’Donnell

·       Maeve Gallagher

 

Junior Women Time Trial

·       Lara Gillespie

Best chances may come with the junior women.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 12, 2019, 18:39
Some teams have been announced over the past week or two.

I'm confused. Have no teams announced their specific line-up for the mixed TTT? :slow
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 12, 2019, 19:02
Some have, but I'm not that interested in I have to say.

I did notice that TT powerhouse Jan Bakelants had been selected by Belgium, which lets you know how seriously some nations are taking it.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 12, 2019, 19:15
(https://www.usacycling.org/images/USACycling_Logo.png)

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U.S. National Team includes 72-time National Champ Coryn Rivera (https://www.usacycling.org/article/usa-cycling-names-2019-road-worlds-team)
Beat that you under-aged, lazy Europeans!  :lol

 *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa *usa

Automatic qualifiers are noted with an asterisk (*).


*usa Elite Men *usa
Road Race:
-Alex Howes *
-Lawson Craddock
-Chad Haga
-Neilson Powless

Individual Time Trial:
-Lawson Craddock
-Chad Haga

*usa Elite Women *usa
Road Race:
-Ruth Winder*
-Leigh Ann Ganzar*
-Coryn Rivera
-Tayler Wiles
-Leah Thomas
-Chloe Dygert
-Katharine Hall

Individual Time Trial:
-Leah Thomas*
-Amber Neben*
-Chloe Dygert

*usa U23 Men *usa
Road Race:
-Brandon McNulty*
-Kevin Vermaerke*
-Lance Haidet*
-Matteo Jorgenson
-Ian Garrison*

Individual Time Trial:
-Ian Garrison*
-Brandon McNulty

*usa Junior Men *usa
Road Race:
Quinn Simmons* ⬅︎
 - Gianni Lamperti*
 - Michael Garrison
 - Magnus Sheffield
 - Matthew Riccitello

Individual Time Trial:
-Quinn Simmons*
-Michael Garrison

*usa Junior Women *usa
Road Race:
-Megan Jastrab*
-Ava Sykes
-Katie Clouse
-Gabrielle Lehnert
-Zoe Ta-Perez

Individual Time Trial:
-Zoe Ta-Perez*
-Megan Jastrab
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 12, 2019, 19:31
Jastrab could do with a couple of red arrows too. Great season for her and she's already got over 20 national titles. Watch out Coryn!
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 12, 2019, 19:40
Watch out Coryn!

I had just assumed that the "72" was a typo because it sounded so preposterous.

But looking at her stats, I'm no longer sure!  :o

(I don't follow, obviously.)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 16, 2019, 19:04
Quote
The brave new world of the TTT will combine men and women into a 'Mixed Relay', a format that was trialed earlier this year at the European Championships.

The men and women still race separately, but in the same team (nation) in the same race, with three men completing a lap of the course before 'tagging in' three women. The women's lap will begin when the second man has crossed the line - meaning one rider can be dropped – and the clock will stop when the second woman has crossed the line at the end of their lap.

I hadn't realized that this was the format. I was picturing a mixed team, out on the road, trading pulls with one-another.

I'm even less interested now.


Btw, is there going to be any live coverage of the Junior Men's road race on Thursday?
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 16, 2019, 20:51
There should be coverage of everything, but there is no guarantee your local broadcaster will show it. ;)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 16, 2019, 21:29
There should be coverage of everything, but there is no guarantee your local broadcaster will show it. ;)

The BBC won't show it, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 16, 2019, 21:56
The BBC won't show it, that's for sure.
Oh ye of little faith (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/49372579)

Sunday, 22 September
13:00-16:00 - Team time trial mixed relay, BBC Two

Monday, 23 September
10:00-12:05 - Women's junior time trial, BBC Red Button
13:30-17:00 - Men's junior time trial, BBC Red Button

Tuesday, 24 September
10:00-12:50 - Under-23s men's time trial, BBC Red Button
14:30-17:15 - Women's time trial, BBC Two

Wednesday, 25 September
13:30-16:30 - Men's time trial, BBC Two

Thursday, 26 September
12:00-16:10 - Junior men's road race, BBC Red Button

Friday, 27 September
08:30-11:40 - Women's junior road race, BBC Red Button
14:10-19:30 - Under-23s men's road race, BBC Red Button


Saturday, 28 September
11:30-16:30 - Women's road race, BBC Two

Sunday, 29 September
08:30-11:00 - Men's road race, BBC Red Button
11:00-16:30 - Men's road race, BBC Two

Can't really complain at that (until we find ourselves listening to Claire Balding)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: search on September 17, 2019, 08:14
#teamie

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/cycling-news-item/cycling-ireland-confirms-squad-for-uci-road-world-championships-/24385

[...]

Best chances may come with the junior women.

I'm actually not sure we really should count out Bennett for the road race. Distance can be a problem for sure, but it's a goal for him, and if it's raced conservatively I can see him staying in touch deep into the race
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on September 17, 2019, 08:45
Oh ye of little faith (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/49372579)




Can't really complain at that (until we find ourselves listening to Claire Balding)

Surely Jonathan Edwards and Rochelle Gilmour are up there with the worst pairings on TV...
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 17, 2019, 09:10
 Sporza have the best commentators to listen too, even if one doesn't understand too much of what they are saying. :D

 We leads me in to say that they have full live coverage all of the road races, from Thursday.
Besides the Primus Classic, which is also live on Eurosport, they have the Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen on Friday at 4pm CET, which, at first glance, has a better line up than the Primus. GB seem to be sending a lot of their WC team.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 17, 2019, 15:17
Just when I was wondering what Bernal's intentions were for Worlds, both he and Nibali have bowed out, feeling they weren't up to form.

Carlos Betancur to replace Egan Bernal on the Colombian team.

Nibali's replacement yet to be determined.

(https://www.en24.news/ch/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Vincenzo-Nibali)

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/07/01/14/Egan-Bernal.jpg)


Add Michał Kwiatkowski to the list now as well.

(https://naszosie.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Micha%C5%82-Kwiatkowski-1-696x464.jpg)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 17, 2019, 17:01
I had just assumed that the "72" was a typo because it sounded so preposterous.

But looking at her stats, I'm no longer sure!  :o

(I don't follow, obviously.)
It's not a typo at all. Road race, ITT, criterium, 'cross, various track disciplines, starting at an age of 14 years. The vast majority was in age groups of junior and younger (but even then often beating riders older than herself) - in the elite category, she 'only' won one crit and one road race title.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 17, 2019, 17:06
It's not a typo at all.

At first glance, I was thinking you'd have to be at least 90-years-old to have won so many national titles. That's why I thought it was a misprint.

Shows what I know!  :P
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 17, 2019, 17:30
Surely Jonathan Edwards and Rochelle Gilmour are up there with the worst pairings on TV...

Sean Kelly and Rochelle was the some of the worst I've heard. Nothing to do with the descriptions of what was going on in the race per se, but the flirting from Sean *shudder*.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 18, 2019, 01:31
*si *si *si *si *si *si *si *si *si *si *si *si *si *si *si *si

He rides again! :hi

(https://s.france24.com/media/display/aeb6e31c-f9ac-11e8-945a-005056bff430/w:1024/p:16x9/bd2a4efb2c94010cdb9d977d5e65ad40aa514ad1.jpg)

Facing all three disciplines: Road Race, Individual Time Trial, Mixed Team Time Trial.  :cool

For the mixed TTT, why do I get the sneaking suspicion that:

Primož Roglič,  Tadej Pogačar,  Jan Tratnik
+
Eugenia Bujak, Urša Pintar, Urška Bravec

= *si :win *si ?


I'm very curious to see how Roglič does throughout the week. Fresh off the Vuelta, a race that never seemed to put him at his absolute limit, I have to wonder if he might be surprisingly strong coming into Worlds? I wouldn't have considered him a threat for the Road Race, but when I think about the way he rode the opening iTT of the Giro, one has to wonder just how much explosivity he's capable of, on a course that could, possibly, suit him?

OK...OK...OK...I'm not suggesting that he's going to out-van-der-Poel van der Poel.  :P
I'm just wondering if he'll be strong enough to create a distraction?

And judging by the iTT course, I'd say he'd have to be considered a favorite. And wouldn't that be quite the achievement in the wake of his first Grand Tour win?
 :)


*si Elite Men *si
Road Race:

-Primož Roglič
-Tadej Pogačar
-Matej Mohorič
-Jan Tratnik
-Luka Pibernik
-Grega Bole
-Jan Polanc
-David Per

Fan bonus:
We get to see the power of Rog-Pog on the same team.
(Except this time they'll be wearing the same jersey  ;)).
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 21, 2019, 19:57
Mixed Relay TTT

(https://i.imgur.com/4Hbjps7.png)



Germany taking it more seriously than most. Big favourites for me with maybe four other teams fighting over the podium.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 21, 2019, 21:36
Yellow weather warning for Yorkshire tomorrow.

"Although some places will stay dry, heavy rain may cause some localised flooding"
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 22, 2019, 01:54
Yellow weather warning for Yorkshire tomorrow.

Is there any contingency plan in the event of severe weather next week?
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 22, 2019, 07:22
Wet weather gear and umbrellas, but nah I don't think it's gonna be that bad. It's just a general low level warning.

Of course if another bridge goes down.....
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 22, 2019, 14:22
Two things caught me off guard:

1.  I hadn't realized that the race actually kicked off today.

2. I had no idea that the NBC Sports Olympic Channel was covering the event.  :)

The TTT is a delayed broadcast, so it won't air until about eight hours after-the-fact, but everything else appears to be live. 
:cool

However, there's one thing that the Junior Women's Road Race and the Elite Men's Road Race have in common...

They both go on air at 3:30am!   :S

Some of the other races begin at a more reasonable 5:00am.

Either way, it seems that I'll able to watch much more of this event than I had even imagined.

#rainbow #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 22, 2019, 19:42
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFFAcrKXoAEAVYC?format=jpg)



GB and France better than I thought. Denmark a lot worse.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 22, 2019, 19:55
Junior Women's TT

(https://i.imgur.com/wZRzcAK.png)



Junior Men's TT

(https://i.imgur.com/YXgWHcT.png)



63 is one of Vino's twin sons.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 22, 2019, 19:56
https://twitter.com/19U23/status/1175749527216754688
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 22, 2019, 23:25
https://twitter.com/BasTietema/status/1175822434307645442

So the UCI agreed? :slow
https://twitter.com/BasTietema/status/1175848341885870082

(I can't seem to find the original Tweet within the UCI timeline, so maybe someone was advised to take it down?)
:-x
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 23, 2019, 10:39
https://twitter.com/ProCyclingStats/status/1176041227189456896?
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on September 23, 2019, 11:34
that is beyond ludicrous...
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: AG on September 23, 2019, 12:58
that is insane !!!
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 23, 2019, 13:02
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176094018951876611


Whoah....
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176091149422997506

She must've lost nearly 10 seconds there, which left her only a 3 second margin for the win.

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176088395887644672
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 23, 2019, 17:59
That was quite a dramatic race for the Junior Men's iTT.  :cool

I'll let Twitter tell the story...

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176130591416303616

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176136248236421121

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176140592054788098

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176160606468104194

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176161589868843013

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176162527329292289

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176167052949762048

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176165102891995136
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 23, 2019, 21:55
U23 Men's TT

(https://i.imgur.com/ktQmYfr.png)



Elite Women's TT

(https://i.imgur.com/vMTyLsN.png)

Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 23, 2019, 22:01
https://twitter.com/U23CyclingZone/status/1176224130372423683
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: search on September 24, 2019, 07:35
looks like weather will be pretty crappy today, heavy rain at times, and a strong headwind. At least it should be more or less equally bad for everyone
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 24, 2019, 13:05
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFOdHj0WwAAgQDm?format=jpg)

Valter was very, very lucky in his own crash.



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFOmFOYUwAEmf_R?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 24, 2019, 14:26
Crazy conditions!  :o

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176444683343540224

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176452820607938560

*usa *usa  :)
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176461852110393344


 *dk Mikkel Bjerg  :party
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176466264321134592
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 24, 2019, 14:30
 :o
https://twitter.com/Vanlooyalfas/status/1176451456012029952

https://twitter.com/GosuSM/status/1176445781173256192



 :P
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176436068675182592


 :D
https://twitter.com/YorkshireTea/status/1176438336212389889
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 24, 2019, 18:03
I never imagined that today's races would've held such intrigue. The earlier Men's U23 race already feels like a week ago!

The Women's Elite race began after a 40 minute rain delay, and I found myself barely paying attention as they tackled the wet road under what appeared to be cloudy but dry skies. But then...


https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176512262900727809

Wow!  :cool
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176516813187952640

She just kept passing rider, after rider, after rider until she could barely dismount from her bike at the finish, looking as though she'd just completed an Hour Record.
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176525104479645697

And yes, it would be enough. By a record margin.
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176532325624102913

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176535242636763136

As it turns out, 22-year-old *usa Chloe Dygert is half the age of 44-year-old (I'm good with maths!) 4th place (and previous champion in 2008 & 2016) *usa Amber Neban.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 24, 2019, 18:11
The narrative continues...

https://twitter.com/Yorkshire2019/status/1176523339969519616

https://twitter.com/alexdowsett/status/1176532185161113601

https://twitter.com/Yorkshire2019/status/1176542258432225280
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 25, 2019, 00:25
Another view of the mayhem from the Men's U23...

https://twitter.com/BasTietema/status/1176623250962571266


Some added historical perspective from the Elite Women...

https://twitter.com/Eurosport_UK/status/1176531036517351424
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 25, 2019, 00:43
Chloé Dygert Owen becomes youngest world time trial champion by record margin (https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2019/09/24/chloe-dygert-owen-time-trial-world-championships-cycling/)

Quote
Dygert Owen, a 22-year-old Olympic track silver medalist in the team pursuit, became the youngest man or woman to win a world title in the road time trial. She also won by the largest male or female margin in history, according to ProCyclingStats.com.

“Definitely really surprising,” Dygert Owen said on Eurosport. “I didn’t race with a power meter today, and I think that really helped not restricting myself, just kind of going as fast as I could the entire time and not really have anything to gauge it off of. Just making sure I hurt more than everybody else.”

Dygert Owen, coming back from a May 2018 road crash and concussion, aims to make the Olympic team on both the track and the road. She is coached by Kristin Armstrong, the 2008, 2012 and 2016 Olympic time trial champion.

“I’m very injury-prone, so we have to take things very slow and really salvage everything,” said Dygert Owen, who has dealt with a torn hip labrum and bulging disk in her back. “I want to race as long as Kristin Armstrong did [until she was 43].”

Before the head injury, Dygert Owen swept 2017 and 2018 World titles on the track in the individual and team pursuits. She is the world-record holder in the individual pursuit, which is not an Olympic event.

She also swept individual 2015 World junior titles in the road race and time trial before taking her first pedals on a track bike. She became a competitive road cyclist in 2013 and missed most of 2014 after tearing an ACL playing basketball that January.

(http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Chloe-Dygert-2019-World-TT-Champs.jpg)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: search on September 25, 2019, 07:28
star ratings for today:

*be Het Nieuwsblad
:*:*:*:*:* Roglic
:*:*:*:* Campenaerts, Dennis
:*:*:* Evenepoel, Asgreen, Küng
:*:* Lampaert, Affini, Durbridge, Castroviejo
:* Martin, Ganna, Oliveira, van Emden, Jungels

I'm really not sure what to think. #rainbow Dennis is back on the BMC bike, but hasn't raced for ages, same as Campenaerts - while Roglic on the other hand cancelled Sunday's TTT the day before, because he was "too tired"... may we really get to see a 19 year old World Champion in the end?! :yum
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: search on September 25, 2019, 07:39
The top 10 nations get an (additional) spot for the Olympics ITT by the way, so also the "minor" placings will be of interest
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 25, 2019, 08:04
Elite Men's TT

(https://i.imgur.com/GwMeThW.png)

Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 25, 2019, 12:24
Roglic on the other hand cancelled Sunday's TTT the day before, because he was "too tired"...
I hadn't even realized that he didn't race in the TTT. Saving himself for a full-on effort today?


Quote
may we really get to see a 19 year old World Champion in the end?! :yum
It's all the rage, isn't it? Old men like Bernal and Pogačar will need to make room in the peloton for the next generation.  :P




Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 25, 2019, 16:48
Triple Bjerg! *dk #rainbow #rainbow #rainbow :win

Chloe Dygert-Owen: Just :o :pray

Rohan Dennis: Good on him. Winning it once is something - winning it twice confirms you're really good.


A common streak among these three: They all have that rare ability of setting themselves up perfectly for that one day that matters.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 25, 2019, 17:06
Not all that much to report on from today, compared with the drama and excitement of the previous day's iTTs.

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176876767304462337

The big takeaway would seem to be Remco's accomplishment.  :cool
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176880217941565445


The one surprise for me was this moment
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176869133679497218

Then it got a bit crowded at the finish line
(Maybe Rogla was just racing for pride at that point? Give the man some room! Jeez. There was more to this in the previous meters.)
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176872970448449537


Cute Rainbow baby!  :P
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176871838150008832
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 25, 2019, 17:20
Interesting stat

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176893714037444608
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 25, 2019, 17:22
The top 10 nations get an (additional) spot for the Olympics ITT by the way, so also the "minor" placings will be of interest
And there are ten nations represented in the top-10:
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176893714037444608

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176512262900727809
They should have contracted Pro Cycling Trumps (http://procyclingtrumps.com/) for graphics like these. This just looks like a (poor) copy.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 25, 2019, 19:33
Phew that's all the TT rubbish out of the way. On to the real meat and potatoes now.

Junior Men's RR

(https://i.imgur.com/9QjxkxN.png)



I'm not too sure why they don't have both junior races on the same day.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on September 25, 2019, 20:03
Blimey, Evenepoel, at 19.

Seems like the future is having Poel in your name, unless you’re W’out Poels.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 25, 2019, 22:04
I'm not too sure why they don't have both junior races on the same day.

Obviously that's to allow more time for the inevitable Quinn Simmons celebration!  :P

:win *usa #14 *usa :win
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: search on September 25, 2019, 23:22
And there are ten nations represented in the top-10:
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1176893714037444608
there's still a chance for Switzerland to lose the additional spot though, because there must be at least two nations from every continent participating in the event (and these spots are kaken away from those who have two)

At the moment only one from Asia would qualify via the World Ranking (but I'm not sure what happens with Japan - I guess they will be around anyway?!)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on September 25, 2019, 23:46
I have to say it’s great to see an incredible TTer winning in Dennis, and a nipper absolutely smashing it. The boy has a great future, just wow.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: search on September 26, 2019, 09:23
Although Evenepoel's 2nd place secured #teambe Belgium a second spot for the Olympics, according to Het Nieuwsblad, Campenaerts missing the internal qualification criteria (Top 8) could mean, that he will not go to Tokyo. The national coach now has free choice who to hand out the 2nd spot to, and as all starters have to participate in two events at least (and as there are only 5 starters in the road race), it's more likely that the spot goes to someone who is of more use in the road race (like de Plus, for example)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 26, 2019, 16:25
This should be adopted as the Official race promo.  Quite the sight today.  :)

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177185280018845697
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2019, 18:57
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFZ20XoXoAEcF9D?format=jpg)



German Gomes did finish. Van Uden didn't.

Very anonymous rides by France, Belgium and Denmark.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2019, 19:05
Junior Women's RR

(https://i.imgur.com/YglaCOt.png)



U23 Men's RR

(https://i.imgur.com/dA8OZWB.png)

Not much longer than today's junior race and with less climbing. :S

Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 26, 2019, 21:38
Before I get to the Jr Women...

It was quite the race for the Jr Men today. The weather was just bad enough to add some intrigue and to give it a proper English flavor.

Some minor crashes kept things tense enough (I don't believe anyone suffered serious injury), and all that was left was for the strongest team to assert themselves duly.

As the road went up, so did the intensity from the determined and motivated U.S. squad.
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177199374859939840

Perhaps the most durable rider of the day was *usa 17-year-old Magnus Sheffiled, who seems built more like an Olympic gymnast than a cyclist. He's thick like a farm boy, and just as gritty.
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177204494762946561

Time and again we saw him driving the pack, keeping the pace high, and discouraging all contenders from mounting any serious threats.
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177217081063944192

Most of us were wondering if Team *usa had worked too hard, too soon—they were relentless throughout the race. But those concerns quickly shifted to wondering the same of race favorite Quinn Simmon's ambitious solo escape.
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177222874119188480

He quickly established a gap that fluctuated between 40 and 50 seconds, and never really looked back. *it Alessio Martinelli made a brave effort to reel Simmons in, but it soon became apparent that his would be a race for 2nd place.
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177228408260087812

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177229827721613314

Behind, it appeared that Sheffield was done for the day, having successfully delivered his team leader to victory. But alas, he would not be so easily dismissed. As *it Gianmarco Garofoli and *nl Enzo Leijnse pursued their own podium dreams behind Martinelli, Sheffield somehow found the strength to make it a foursome for the finish by adding himself and  *no Vegard Stokke into the mix.

With 1st and 2nd place clearly without dispute, it was the final step on the podium that would only be determined at the line. Once again, The Terminator that was Magnus Sheffield managed to lead off the front, and hold off the other three for the final sprint to further cement the U.S. dominance on the day—not something we're used to seeing when the Rainbow prize is on the line.
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177237521497055233

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177241807131947009

Who knew? I never imagined such a thing!  :P
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177258310074011649

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177244753118806016

Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 26, 2019, 21:50
U23 Men's RR

Not much longer than today's junior race and with less climbing. :S
That's the problem with having such long (and different) run-ins to the circuit: The races (or at least their profiles) end up much too different. World Championships should be defined by the (finishing) circuit and how the various categories race it, not by how the run-ins from the start to the circuit differ from each other.

And leaving aside that bit, it should be only logical that the older riders get, the more laps of the circuit they should do. Having the men's juniors and the men's U23 do the same number of laps - that's just plain weird.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 27, 2019, 00:30
I can't seem to find any proper previews of tomorrow's events from any of the big sources. :slow

My brain is full from all the racing that's taken place thus far, so I haven't the energy to investigate too thoroughly myself. But given the level of entertainment provided over the past few days, and the fact that we have another two-fer lined up for Friday, I can't imagine that one, or both, of the races won't be worth watching.

The Women's Junior Road Race kicks off at...3:30am for me. So my online attendance is "yet to be determined."  :zzz2

The Men's U23 will air at a leisurely 8:30am, so look for my uninformed perspective starting then (if not sooner).  :D


Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 27, 2019, 01:30
Jastrab could do with a couple of red arrows too. Great season for her and she's already got over 20 national titles. Watch out Coryn!

Agreed!

*usa Megan Jastrab ⬅︎ *usa


Just read this intriguing profile of her:

How Megan Jastrab became U.S. cycling’s newest star (https://www.velonews.com/2019/06/from-the-mag/how-megan-jastrab-became-u-s-cyclings-newest-star_495417)
Quote
Now 17, Jastrab remains an extraordinary talent, and she’s well on her way to making some of her dreams a reality. A condensed list of her 2019 accomplishments (thus far) includes the stage 2 victory at the Redlands Classic with her Rally-UHC trade team; victory at the first race in the UCI junior women’s Nation’s Cup, Piccolo Trofeo Alfredo Binda, in a sprint; second place at the Gent-Wevelgem junior women’s Nation’s Cup event, winning the field sprint behind a solo Elynor Bäckstedt, daughter of Paris-Roubaix winner Magnus Bäckstedt.

Then, Jastrab won a stage and the overall at the Healthy Aging Tour in the Netherlands.

And then, just this week, Jastrab won the junior national titles in the road race and criterium. Those wins marked her 20th and 21st national titles.

I may have to set my alarm now.  :P
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 27, 2019, 07:55
Having the men's juniors and the men's U23 do the same number of laps - that's just plain weird.

The U23 are doing less laps than the juniors!
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 27, 2019, 08:04
The U23 are doing less laps than the juniors!
Are they? They are. And with an easier run-in. :o
That's not just weird, that's downright ridiculous. :S

They were originally planned to do three laps, though ... I can't be bothered to find out what caused this change.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 27, 2019, 08:09
They were originally planned to do three laps, though ... I can't be bothered to find out what caused this change.

Visibility.

Concerns about dwindling daylight due to overcast skies and the time of day.

Rider safety and quality of camera coverage were cited as the primary reasons.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 27, 2019, 11:29
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177526452453031937



Joint best race at Innsbruck, but the least said about the 2019 version the better.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 27, 2019, 11:50
the least said about the 2019 version the better.
:-x

It was a crashy crash-fest on a mind-numbingly boring course. One late attack by *fr Cedrine Kerbaol was quickly matched by the lone rider from *cl Catalina Anais Soto Campos, for the first significant animation of the race. For a time it appeared that their effort might hold. But eventually the poorly organized peloton was forced into action by the quickly-approaching finish.

Rain began to fall only for the final few km. Not to be outdone, riders continued to fall as well.

The uphill finish was a two-girl race, with ➜Leadbelly⬅︎ favorite *usa Megan Jastrab overpowering TT champ  *ru Aigul Gareeva, while nabbing yet another top spot for the country where such accomplishments will go entirely unnoticed.
 :shh



And people tell me that I talk too fast!
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177531324124553216



Props to 2nd place  *be Julie de Wilde for her explosive closing speed in the final couple hundred meters. That was impressive.  :cool
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 27, 2019, 19:09
Men's  U23 Road Race...

#rainbow  :S #rainbow  :S #rainbow  :S #rainbow  :S #rainbow  :S #rainbow  :S #rainbow  :S #rainbow  :S
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Flo on September 27, 2019, 19:27
What a mess. I was rooting for Battistella and he looked really happy in his post-race interview so I'm glad. But this is so heartbreaking for Eekhoff at the same time... :S
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on September 27, 2019, 20:24
The UCI have announced that the DSQ was for drafting behind a vehicle for too long. The bits of video I have seen have not looked any worse than you see in many races when someone is coming back from a crash so at the moment it seems very harsh to me. Perhaps the UCI will provide more of the evidence that led to the decision but I will be surprised if they do
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 27, 2019, 20:50
Here's a long-ish video of Eekhoff's chase back.
I don't see anything out of the ordinary in this:
https://twitter.com/alexfalkeman/status/1177662328399155200

What I see is a rider trying to come back to the peloton, leapfrogging through the convoy (apparently after a crash). Something that happens all the time. He's using each car for a bit of slipstream, that's totally common practice. I've been in several race convoys and have seen this exact thing dozens of times. As long as you're not drafting your own team car and don't get sticky bottles, it's something that's tolerated, to the point of setting a precedent.

He doesn't get a sticky bottle - on the contrary, when he hands something to his team car, it takes only a very short time. And he doesn't stay behind the #teamnl car for more than a few seconds.

I wouldn't have DSQed him for what I saw on that video, and I certainly hope the commissaires had additional and more damning footage at their disposal to justify that call.

EDIT: Reading this piece on Cyclingnews (https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/eekhoff-devastated-and-mad-at-world-championships-disqualification/), he was 'brought back' to the convoy by the #teamnl car after a crash and mechanical.
That sounds a bit more ominous, and like something that could indeed justify a disqualification.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 27, 2019, 21:43
Elite Women's RR

(https://i.imgur.com/gthw0gM.png)



Dutch the big favourites. Their biggest enemy? Themselves, Italy and Chloe Dygert.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 27, 2019, 21:49
Dutch the big favourites. Their biggest enemy? Themselves, Italy and Chloe Dygert.
Pretty much, yeah. :D

I'm looking forward to this race. I more-than-half-expect to see Marta Beastianelli sit on every Dutch rider who moves, not take a single turn, and outsprint them all in the end ... but I'm hoping for something else.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 28, 2019, 00:11
Perhaps the UCI will provide more of the evidence that led to the decision but I will be surprised if they do
Here's a long-ish video of Eekhoff's chase back.

I certainly hope the commissaires had additional and more damning footage at their disposal to justify that call.


Apparently it wasn't just based on what may, or may not have been, caught on camera.

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Italian television channel Rai have reported that Eekhoff's GPS data aroused concern from the race jury, with the Dutchman suggested to have reached speeds beyond what should have been possible on a bike as he chased back on after his crash.
Now if that's true, and if the data indicated something truly egregious, then they might have a case. But the very least they could do is release such data. But it also begs the question of why they would've been examining his GPS data in the first place.

Odd, though, that I haven't heard anything more of this from any other sources. :slow



FWIW, the UCI Commissaires Panel is made up of:

 *be Luc Herpelinck (President)
 *it Davide Bardelli
 *ca Josée Bardard
 *uk Martin Bridgwood
 *fr Jérôme Lappartient
 *ch Ariane Previtali
 *es Vincente Tortajada Villarroya


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The UCI belatedly confirmed that Eekhoff, Alexander Konychev (Italy) and Andreas Nielsen (Denmark) were all disqualified for prolonged drafting behind a team car.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 28, 2019, 09:22
Apparently it wasn't just based on what may, or may not have been, caught on camera.
Now if that's true, and if the data indicated something truly egregious, then they might have a case. But the very least they could do is release such data. But it also begs the question of why they would've been examining his GPS data in the first place.
Exactly this.
The disqualification(s) may well be justified. We don't know.
The best thing the UCI could do - and the one thing it absolutely should do - is to explain the DSQ and release the supporting evidence.

It's so obvious a course to create transparency about this high-profile judgment that I'm not at all surprised they don't do it. :snooty
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: AG on September 28, 2019, 10:26
Given that in the Vuelta when there was a crash involving Roglic, the Commissaires actually advised that they were bringing the riders up to the peleton ... it is a little strange that they are now DQ'ing someone for doing exactly that, in essentially the same circumstances.

He wasnt dropped, he crashed. 
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on September 28, 2019, 10:31

It was a crashy crash-fest on a mind-numbingly boring course.


That was completely horrible! So many crashes it even became painful to watch the race, never mind ending up on the bottom of one of the pile-ups.

Such courses with technically difficult sections should include some difficulty before they get to the technical stuff, so that the peloton is thinned a bit (if nothing else, by a breakaway being able to break away) before the tight turns start. A few more hills early on could probably make it a safer race as opposed to the 50 km runway these girls had.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on September 28, 2019, 11:01
Concerning the Eekhoff case, it strikes me as being very similar to the case of Arnaud Demare in the Milano - Sanremo a few years back, except the outcome is the opposite (Demare was not DSQ’ed) , while the public reaction remains the same (outrage).

Isn’t it ironic?  :-x

Personally I think it is positive if hanging on to a car isn’t allowed and a positive development that the UCI dare to follow up on that even when star riders are involved. I am sorry, but this just has to hurt sometimes, or the racers won’t give it a second thought while chasing advantages to get up the road.Nibali and Bardet have experienced similar DSQs as Eekhoff, but not at races that were equally important to them.

The other question is, why not punish immediately? Eekhoff did not only make his own race, he made the race for others as well. Without him, it is likely that the chasing group would not have caught the leaders on the final lap. That would have placed Foss in 4th, ahead of Higuita and Kron. This shows that delayed action by the commissaires also introduce unfairness in the competition. On-the-spot calls should be used more frequently!

One question that comes to mind is, do all racers have a (UCI supplied) GPS data recording or -ideally- recording and transmitting unit now? It has been at the TDF, but the worlds is a simpler race with a less resourceful host. If not, GPS data as evidence is thin ice as these units can be tampered with to record only what you want to record and the resulting data files are probably even easier to hack.

With the advantage of reviewing this the day after, and seeing it in a slightly longer perspective I think the UCI commissaries here should be lauded for daring to take an unpopular decision that will benefit the sport in the long run, but criticized for doing it too slowly. This championship can be remembered for drawing the line and not accepting the Demare MSR outcome.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 28, 2019, 14:41
The other question is, why not punish immediately?
Apparently the entire footage of the drafting was not part of the broadcast, so they wouldn't have seen it until after-the-fact. Although I've yet to understand how it came to their attention.

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Eekhoff did not only make his own race, he made the race for others as well.
To me, this is where the real travesty lies. Once they crossed the finish line, there was no undoing the previous hours worth of racing. The dynamics of that front break would've been quite different without Eekhoff's presence, and to pretend otherwise is a fantasy on the part of the UCI. It would be like erasing a goal that occurred in the first period of a hockey game without recognizing the effect that goal had on everything that occurred afterward.

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With the advantage of reviewing this the day after, and seeing it in a slightly longer perspective I think the UCI commissaries here should be lauded for daring to take an unpopular decision that will benefit the sport in the long run, but criticized for doing it too slowly.
This was just released, and yes, it is a long tow. It doesn't look good. However, no one would've seen this anyway, and there wouldn't have been  any protests. But again, since he was allowed to continue and impact the race the way he did, they should've let the results stand. It's just terrible for the sport either way.

https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/1177926227983765504
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 28, 2019, 15:15
It's just terrible for the sport either way.
Quoted for the truth.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: M Gee on September 28, 2019, 16:28
. . .
This was just released, and yes, it is a long tow.  . . .

https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/1177926227983765504
Not only was it a long tow, it was quite apparent that the auto driver knew and assisted the drafting. Two damning points: midway through the tow, the car and Eekhof pass another rider. The car speeds up to pass, dropping Eekhoff. Once Eekhoff has successfully passed the other rider, the car slows sufficiently that Eekhof can get back on. Second point - during much of the tow, both before and after that pass, Eekhof is in full draft mode - I would guess less than 6" off the back of the car. You don't do that when you're just moving back up through the support vehicles. Or, at least, not for long.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on September 28, 2019, 16:43
So, should we get back to the real racing of the day?  :angel

The Dutch women continue to race like a females only pack of wolves and today´s win was highly reminiscent of Philippe Gilbert winning in the Ronde van Vlaanderen. An impressive in itself, earlier-than-you-thought-they-would attack on the second climb of the day, but of course what was most impressing wasn’t opening the gap in itself. It was maintaining it and then increasing it over 100 and then some kilometers. In other words, the
LoooooOooOoOoOOOOoOOoOOOoooOOOoooOOooOooOOOOOOoooooOOoOoooOooOoOOOngest
solo.
There was elements of tactics in having van der Breggen in the chasing group, but this was a case of simply being the strongest rider on the road attacking early and then just never looking back.
It was the most boring race to watch and I hit a record snooze/watch ratio without missing anything at all, I think. (Perfect for me while nursing my fever out of my body! )

Annemiek, you are the Queen of the day! That was a royal performance! (Look at the gaps, she absolutely smashed everyone!)

Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 28, 2019, 16:51
Women's U23 RR

1st *usa Chloe Dygert

2nd *co Paula Patino

3rd *uk Anna Henderson
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 28, 2019, 19:14
Pretty much, yeah. :D

I'm looking forward to this race. I more-than-half-expect to see Marta Beastianelli sit on every Dutch rider who moves, not take a single turn, and outsprint them all in the end ... but I'm hoping for something else.

Well you got something else but I’m not sure it was any better.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on September 28, 2019, 19:52
Tomorrow, bring your wellingtons, umbrellas and something warm to drink:

https://twitter.com/envagencyyne/status/1177990685724741632
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 28, 2019, 20:11
https://www.instagram.com/p/B28uCVQIyKs/

(https://i.imgur.com/3GgIWzV.png)

Quote from: Cassani
I'm on the path of tomorrow's world championship. A ford with 20 cm of water. If it rains tomorrow as it seems, I hope the riders are not in such situations. It would be a shame because it would become very dangerous.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 28, 2019, 20:14
Elite Men's RR

(https://i.imgur.com/EgvPBuK.png)

Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on September 28, 2019, 20:22
What is the star sign for?
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 28, 2019, 20:23
What is the star sign for?

First's favourites I guess.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on September 28, 2019, 20:27
There’s something strange with that list and I realize that there isn’t anyone with 3 previous wins on the list. The whole country is wiped off the list.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 28, 2019, 21:10
Well you got something else but I’m not sure it was any better.
It was a jaw-dropping performance by Van Vleuten, and she absolutely deserves that #rainbow jersey.

But I agree that as a race, it was rather uneventful. There were only three attacks, really: Van Vleuten starting her 105-km solo, Dygert attacking to chase her on the finishing laps (and later blowing up, likely due to inexperience), and Van der Breggen shaking off Spratt on the final lap.

Like last year, not much happened in the women's race.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 28, 2019, 21:44
There’s something strange with that list and I realize that there isn’t anyone with 3 previous wins on the list. The whole country is wiped off the list.

It's a problem with the use of the First start list Iframe, if there are a lot of teams/riders then on some screen resolutions the bottom will get cut off.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 29, 2019, 01:11
Women's U23 RR

1st *usa Chloe Dygert

2nd *co Paula Patino

3rd *uk Anna Henderson


:slow

It took me a moment to decipher this.  :D
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 29, 2019, 01:19
The whole country is wiped off the list.
Tell me about it!  :o


What is the star sign for?

It denotes all the riders who will be behind dark horse winner *usa Lawson Craddock.  :P
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 29, 2019, 02:21
https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177931915464187905

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1177931377196617728
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 29, 2019, 02:37
:win Weather (http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/world-championships-2019-mens-road-race/) :win


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Awful.   :flustered :onfire2  :cool  :D

The local area has a weather warning in place for heavy rain, with the chance of flooding. The worst of the weather will be in the morning, which would normally be good news for a bike race, but this race starts at 0840. The heavy downpour will leave the peloton feeling wet, something they won’t be able to shake for the rest of the day. The rain is to continue into the afternoon, but won’t be as heavy as the morning. The roads will be wet and slippery, expect to see many crashes throughout the day.

Poor weather will make this a hugely challenging day, a race of attrition. 2013 was the last wet world championships, we only had 61 finishers that day. I think we’ll see even less riders completing the race this year, it’s going to be a huge battle out there.

Is there any chance of course interruption?

Have they planned accordingly, in case?
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 29, 2019, 08:00
Is there any chance of course interruption?

Have they planned accordingly, in case?

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/1178190282858340354?

ie. No Buttertubs or Grinton Moor
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on September 29, 2019, 08:01
Have they planned accordingly, in case?
Apparently so.
Buttertubs and Grinton Moor are cut, shaving 40 km (and the two main climbs) off the point-to-point bit.
Instead, they will do nine laps of the Harrogate circuit and not just seven.

In other words, rain and flooding have turned the men's elite race from that weird "big loop with a circuit slapped onto the end" format to the more usual "inconsequential run-in merely serving to get distance in, followed by circuit where the actual racing happens".

As it should be. Worlds are about the circuit and the difficulties that serves, not about criss-crossing the surrounding countryside.
:admin
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 29, 2019, 08:02
:win Weather (http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/world-championships-2019-mens-road-race/) :win


Is there any chance of course interruption?

Have they planned accordingly, in case?

It’s happening apparently. Buttertubs and Grinton Moor are out. 9 laps in Harrogate.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 29, 2019, 08:09
New profile:

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Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 30, 2019, 15:10
https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1177857067660517376
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on September 30, 2019, 23:40
Wow more than 24 hours after the race this is the first post on the mens race... says something about our busy lives and dwindling numbers...

So I wonder if any of us made it to Harrogate on Sunday?  I fully intended to, but family events got in the way, and whilst I crossed the Pennines on Sunday morning and saw a lot of standing water I didn't have the chance to go on to the event.  Instead i watched it as live on BBC I player last night.

Hosted by the very welcome return of Chris Boardman; and an equally puzzling anchor role for Rochelle Gilmour in an unexplained Snow Queen Pantomine costume, although very apposite it almost was.

So despite the disappointment of the cancellation of the climbs I still thoroughly enjoyed the race; as I almost always do.   Perhaps its the lack of radios making a really positive difference to the organisational abilities of the teams, that gentle blend of simmering internecine rivalries, supposedly suspended for the day; or just the sheer enormity of the prize on offer; but I found it fascinating again.

Clearly the weather was brutal but we have all seen worse - as yesterday the temperature was mercifully pleasant, it was just the never-ending rain.  The lack of helicopters didn't seem as bad as the mid race loss of bike cameras; reducing us to fixed point views and lots of slo mo's of not that much; and a lack of coherence in following the head of the race. 

I was shocked and disappointed when MVDP blew up so horrendously; but we learn to pick a new hero and villain so was delighted to cheer Pedersen home vs odds on favourite Trentin.

The best part of the post race for me was the quick interview with Sagan, I hope you saw it Echoes, he suggested that the race boiled down to "somebody being over confident; and somebody being in the right place at the right time" - nicely put by our Peter.

So not a classic but an intriguing battle played out across some great country and in a fantastic Yorkshire town; albeit in biblical rain...

 
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 01, 2019, 01:53
So I wonder if any of us made it to Harrogate on Sunday?

The occasionally recurring informal poll would seem to indicate that no Veloroomies made it to the roadside, despite the best intentions of a few.

Seeing MvdP bonk so spectacularly was quite the surprise, but I'm not disappointed that the Rainbow Jersey eluded him. I expected him to win, but feel it would've been slightly strange for the sport, given his less-than-full-time status as a road warrior.

Sagan was certainly the secondary consideration, but we've seen that. So having a surprise at the finish—especially when the strength of Mads, and his deservedness of the win, could not be questioned—was a refreshing sight. Not to the mention the glory of being the first Dane to pull it off.
 :cool

It was a race of attrition, if ever there was one, and we can only imagine how many fewer riders may have crossed the finish line had they been faced with the intended two climbs of Buttertubs and Grinton Moor, and the extra 24 kilometers of the original profile.

Would the winner have been different? Impossible to say, of course. But this was one for the ages, and it capped off a week that offered much more than I could've hoped for. A tremendous series of races from beginning to end.
#rainbow  :)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 01, 2019, 07:45
The Colombians did surprisingly well (to me anyway). They don't really produce classic riders and with the weather being what it was, I assumed it was just a case of them turning up and probably climbing off when they got to the circuits.

However Quintana got in the early break, Martinez tried to go with Trentin/MVDP, Betancur along with Gorka attempted to bridge to the leaders, Chaves had an unlucky mech late in the race and even Hodeg outlasted Bennett in the front group.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: DJW on October 01, 2019, 08:02

So I wonder if any of us made it to Harrogate on Sunday?


I was in Harrogate on Sunday and managed to get a decent spot where the finish line was semi visible. Visible enough to see Mads raise his arms as he crossed the line which was a pleasant surprise to everyone around us.


Given the weather, the crowds were incredible around Harrogate, and were decent sized throughout the whole week (my parents live nearby and we went in to see the Men's Junior race on Thursday as well).

Seeing riders weave in and out of pub crowds on their way back to their buses was a bit surreal. Saw a very tired Roglic struggling to shift a no entry sign to get to this bus as we were parking in Waitrose. :D


https://twitter.com/Doctor_Hutch/status/1178321318904774658
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: AG on October 01, 2019, 13:38
it was a fun race to watch - a really, really hard worlds in which the winner totally deserved to win.

Disappointed for Gilbert of course - but that is racing.  I too am somewhat glad that MVDP didnt win.  I feel it would have been a bit demeaning for the rainbow jersey to be won and worn by a guy who cant even committ to the road full time.   His time will come though ...

I was a bit surprised that Alaphillipe didnt do a bit more ... I thought a hard slog was a bit more his style. 
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on October 01, 2019, 23:13
So i've just rewatched the final 70 km this evening and the performance of the riders on the podium has really shone through watching it again.

Kung went clear 67km from the finish, Pedersen 47 km and Trentin 33km. It's been quite a while since riders were off the front from that far out at the worlds in smallish groups and held on. Whether it was the course or weather or a combination of both all 3 put in impressive performances. while Trentin was considered a favourite for the race the other 2 were definite outsiders but (and this is with a massive amount of hindsight) both Pedersen and Kung had won the last one day races they'd each started so had good form coming into the event.

It might have been the lack of radios that meant a chase wasn't well organised but given that when Trentin and Van der Poel caught Pedersen, Kung and Moscon the gap was only 10 seconds had the Belgian, French and Germans worked together the move might well have been shut down and a different outcome have ended up being what occured. They didn't make that combined effort and that played to the riders in front who worked well together till the finish.

I will jut have to disagree with Servais Knavendish on one thing which was the use of Boardman by the BBC. As someone talking about the race before and after he's quite good but on commentary i thought he was quite poor. There were some howlers like when he didn't realise both Moscon and Trentin were Italian and Gilmore and Brotherton had to correct him without doing it to blatantly. His mixing up Colombians with Belgians, they do have a similair kit but not so similair that close up shots you get it wrong like he did and talking about the race as if Moscon hadn't rejoined the leading group after the first occasion he'd been dropped even though on the screen in front of us we could see he'd been back on for a few minutes. Perhaps I'm being overly harsh on him but some of it just seemed strange when watching.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 02, 2019, 01:01
It might have been the lack of radios that meant a chase wasn't well organised but given that when Trentin and Van der Poel caught Pedersen, Kung and Moscon the gap was only 10 seconds had the Belgian, French and Germans worked together the move might well have been shut down and a different outcome have ended up being what occured. They didn't make that combined effort and that played to the riders in front who worked well together till the finish.
More and more I think that we underestimate just how tired everyone was, physically but also mentally, by then.
Yes, the gap was small at that point - but after 5+ hours in the rain, without radios, and on a twisting course, you need to 1) realise that, 2) decide to make the effort, 3) actually make the effort.
And just who was left in the 'peloton' then who would undoubtedly qualify as a domestique, with no own aspirations on that day whatsoever?

Yes, #teambe #teamfr #teamde arguably still should have closed it. But the window of opportunity closed again quickly, and then it was too late.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: AG on October 02, 2019, 12:17
yep I totally agree

fatogue was a huge factor - and decision making when you are that fatigued is a different story to a normal race
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 02, 2019, 19:26
The Colombians did surprisingly well (to me anyway). They don't really produce classic riders and with the weather being what it was, I assumed it was just a case of them turning up and probably climbing off when they got to the circuits.

However Quintana got in the early break, Martinez tried to go with Trentin/MVDP, Betancur along with Gorka attempted to bridge to the leaders, Chaves had an unlucky mech late in the race and even Hodeg outlasted Bennett in the front group.

I disagree strongly on your comment about Colombia not being classics riders, here is a couple of references:
Carlos Betancur (Italian classics and the Ardennes races)
Fernando Gaviria (a factor in the MSR even on his first appearance, and win in the Paris-Tours)
And not to be forgotten, the Monument:
Esteban Chaves - Il Lombardia 2016 :win

In a pre race interview, Chaves pretty much said Betancur is their man for bad weather one-day races.


The hilly classics are classics too!
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 02, 2019, 20:09
I was in Harrogate on Sunday and managed to get a decent spot where the finish line was semi visible. Visible enough to see Mads raise his arms as he crossed the line which was a pleasant surprise to everyone around us.


Given the weather, the crowds were incredible around Harrogate, and were decent sized throughout the whole week (my parents live nearby and we went in to see the Men's Junior race on Thursday as well).

Seeing riders weave in and out of pub crowds on their way back to their buses was a bit surreal. Saw a very tired Roglic struggling to shift a no entry sign to get to this bus as we were parking in Waitrose. :D


Well good on you; that sounds great - and in spite of the deluge would have loved to have been there too... I think.

Oh well - only 4 years to wait for another "UK Based World champs Velorooms meet up opportunity" - roll on World Road Race (and everything else almost) champs 2023 in Glasgow- in the summer...???  So Similar conditions likely.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 02, 2019, 20:43
Kung went clear 67km from the finish, Pedersen 47 km and Trentin 33km. It's been quite a while since riders were off the front from that far out at the worlds in smallish groups and held on.

Doha 2016 when a group of about 20 split from the peloton in the crosswinds after about 100km? (Can´t remember exact distance but I found a map saying first passing of finish line (start of 7 local laps) was at 151 km.

Then of course, there is the discussion if a small group including Sagan, Cavendish, Boonen, Kristoff, EBH, Matthews, Hayman, Terpstra, van Avermaet is really a small group. Yes it was flat, yes Doha Quatar and all the lacking spectators, the locals using their cars to attack junior women´s cyclists and their HR record and all that - but the racing itself that day was class.

(See I almost got over the disaster of the Norwegian team back then...but now I remembered, let me curse EBH one more time for that  :angry )
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 02, 2019, 21:28
Doha 2016 when a group of about 20 split from the peloton in the crosswinds after about 100km? (Can´t remember exact distance but I found a map saying first passing of finish line (start of 7 local laps) was at 151 km.
That group consisted of 25 riders though, with several of the represented nations had 3-4 riders up there.
So the situation was much different from those small groups we saw on Sunday where everyone had to work for themselves, more or less.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 02, 2019, 22:05
That group consisted of 25 riders though, with several of the represented nations had 3-4 riders up there.
So the situation was much different from those small groups we saw on Sunday where everyone had to work for themselves, more or less.

I see your point, it depends on how you define small group - in my head, it is only clearly different from the peloton/gruppe compacto  which would be the big group, main group etc -. Even if it is a reduced peloton ?!??  (Not even entirely clear in my own head, this...)

And as far as small group means everyone has to work for themselves for a long distance, if you take that to the extreme you don´t get to Sunday, you can only come to Saturday, at which point a kind voice will explain to you in Dutch that your definition of a small group in the extreme leads to a 100 km solo win.  :D   
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 02, 2019, 22:24
I see your point, it depends on how you define small group - in my head, it is only clearly different from the peloton/gruppe compacto  which would be the big group, main group etc -. Even if it is a reduced peloton ?!??  (Not even entirely clear in my own head, this...)

And as far as small group means everyone has to work for themselves for a long distance, if you take that to the extreme you don´t get to Sunday, you can only come to Saturday, at which point a kind voice will explain to you in Dutch that your definition of a small group in the extreme leads to a 100 km solo win.  :D
Another difference between Doha and Yorkshire is that in Doha, they just drilled it in the crosswinds and gaps opened. That front group didn't attack from the peloton as such, they split the peloton through a sustained group effort - and then kept the move going.
In Yorkshire, all the riders ahead of the peloton had made an attack at some point to go ahead of the bunch.

That's the main criterion I'm using - on Sunday, there was group 1, group 2 (and group 3 for a short while); in Qatar, I would have called them peloton 1, peloton 2 etc.

Of course, groups of attackers can also become rather large: In some Grand Tour breakaway stages, you can have 30 riders in the breakaway. But again, they all attacked from the peloton.

When does a small group become a large group? On Sunday, we had a short time with a front group of four and a chasing group of four. Had those two groups merged to a group of eight, that would get close to being a large group.
4-6 riders will normally be able to agree to work together - the larger a group becomes, the more tempting it will be for riders to skip turns. When that happens, it's definitely not a small group anymore (or the rider is just a dick). There is no absolute number, just a grey area.
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: ciranda on October 04, 2019, 16:45
Pancakes was a popular treat and it still is. Mads had set aside monday for press requests and tv and all the people that had asked for him and planned to celebrate at home with pancakes tuesday. For wednesday he had been invited to the mayor's office in Copenhagen, tradition after big performances in sport, to have pancakes also. Drama followed because the also invited Magnus Cort's train was held up by several collisions and so when he made it to the reception his pancakes were cold, something that I can't stand personally.

Mads hopes to be selected for TDF next year. He will race Eurométropole, Tre Valle Varesine and Milano-Torino but not Paris-Tours. His favorite cyclist is Alejandro Valverde and he was happy to be congratulated by him after sunday's race. Historically his favorite is Tom Boonen. In the old interview quoted below he says his goal for this year was to do one performance as good as Flanders last year. He is extraordinarily mature and from the stories that people have told seems to always have been.

One of the best stories is about how at age fourteen he had said to his father that if he ever had the means he would help him do something other than a difficult day job. So last year they opened a bicycle store and his dad no longer have to get up every day to a job he hated.

This about his dad from a piece I read (https://www.giornale.dk/interview/2018/8/31/vddelberen).

- Consider when I was twelve I had to pull him up this hill while he held on (under the saddle, on a scooter I think). A twelve-year-old dragging 100 kg up a hill. I have told him that when he's old and in a wheelchair unable to do anything I'll smack him around for all the stuff he has done to make me suffer.

(https://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/13m9rb/7816454/IMAGE_ALTERNATES/relationBig_910/dcx-77474281-20191002203205)

(https://images.fyens.dk/16/2978916_1200_0_0_93_1969_1230_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 17, 2019, 10:25
He is extraordinarily mature and from the stories that people have told seems to always have been.
I didn't have that much interaction with him back in 2016 when we were both at #stolting - when he won the stage in Norway, I was on holiday at the Giro d'Italia, so it wasn't me writing the press release - and only met him in person at the team presentation and the Cyclassics.

But from what I've experienced myself and heard from others, I can confirm that he is both mature and friendly.
A good lad, and now in #rainbow. I couldn't be happier. :win
Title: Re: Yorkshire 2019 World Road Cycling Championships - General Discussion
Post by: AG on October 22, 2019, 00:39
https://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/article/2019/10/21/eekhoff-challenge-road-worlds-disqualification-cas?fbclid=IwAR1PdFt7RBgDgyyiHrqm3mEbGbFsQpiZUj5rr3EYV3CUHmlN8VolUzgti2U

so Eekhoff has decisded he is going to appeal his DQ from the U23 race ... all headed to CAS.

With the video supplied by the UCI I cant see him getting anywhere with that .. but I guess you never know