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Title: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2017, 06:54
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THE ROUTE

The Milano-Sanremo is raced on the classic route which has connected Milan to the Riviera di Ponente over the last 105 years, via Pavia, Ovada, Passo del Turchino, and then descending towards Genoa Voltri.

From here, the route strikers west, passing through Varazze, Savona, Albenga, Imperia and San Lorenzo al Mare where, after the classic sequence of the “Capi” (Capo Mele, Capo Cervo and Capo Berta), the peloton negotiates two climbs which have entered the race route in recent decades: the Cipressa (1982) and Poggio di Sanremo (1961).

The Cipressa is just over 5,6 km long with a gradient of 4,1%. The descent leading back down to SS 1 Aurelia road is highly technical descent leading.

LAST KM

The ascent of Poggio di Sanremo starts 9 km before the finish line. The climb is as follows: 3,7 km, average gradient less than 4%, maximum 8% in the segment before getting to the top of the climb. The road is slightly narrower, with four hairpin turns in the first 2 km.

The descent is extremely technical, on asphalt roads, narrow at points and with a succession of hairpins, twist and turns as far as the junctions with SS 1 Aurelia.

The final part of the descent enters urban Sanremo. The last 2 km are on long, straight urban roads. 850m from the finish line there is a left-hand bend on a roundabout. The last bend, leading into the home straight, is 750m from the finish line.

 

START


Despite its worldwide renown as the economic capital of Italy, there is more to Milan than just the Piazza Affari stock exchange, technology or industry.
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Recognised as one of the European leaders in fashion and design, the city is also a major “exhibition centre”. In 2015, it was the venue of one of the most important global events, EXPO, which hosted the official presentation of the 2016 Giro d’Italia, among other things.

Milan is also rich in art, and there is much to explore in the city of the “Madonnina”, which boasts a long tradition in literature, art, music and science. The city’s large museum network includes Museo della Pietà Rondanini, MUDEC, Cenacolo Vinciano, Pinacoteca di Brera, Museo Nazionale della Scienza e Tecnologia “Leonardo Da Vinci”, Museo del Novecento, Villa Reale, Triennale Design Museum and Museo San Siro. One may even claim that Milan was Leonardo’s city: The Last Supper, the Atlantic Codex, the Naviglio Grande gates, as well as frescoes, paintings and plenty of drawings and designs are just a little sample of the heritage that Leonardo – an architect, engineer, inventor, scientist and artist – left behind during the 20 years he spent in the city. The church of Santa Maria delle Grazie holds one of the most famous religious artworks of the Renaissance, “The Last Supper”, a mural that Leonardo da Vinci painted between 1495 and 1497, as commissioned by Ludovico Il Moro, Duke of Milan.

It is no coincidence that the city was nominated to host the 24th ICOM (International Council of Museums, created in 1946) Conference in 2016, which will take place from July 3 to July 9, after Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 2013, and Shanghai, China, in 2010.

The city will also be hosting plenty of sporting events this year, including the start of the Milano-Sanremo cycling “Classicissima”, and the 2016 UEFA Champions League final at Milan’s Stadio Giuseppe Meazza on May 28.

 

FINISH


Sanremo is known as the city of flowers and the city of Italian song. Every year, Teatro Ariston hosts the famous Festival di Sanremo, currently celebrating its sixty-sixth edition. Speaking of sports, the city is renowned as finish location of the opening race of the cycling season, Milano-Sanremo.
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Automobile racing is the second, great sporting tradition of the city. Two major events will take place here in 2016: the legendary Rallye Sanremo, celebrating its 31st edition this year, and the second Sanremo Rally Team that will run from May 22 to May 26. The latter will be a unique event in the motorsports industry, gathering all the automobile manufacturers that marked the history of the city’s Rally competition. It will run along the roads of the famous “Ronde”, and will be open to all vintage and modern rally cars by all automakers that competed in the World Rally up to 2003. Corso Fiorito (Sanremoinfiore) is another globally famous event taking place in Sanremo: a traditional parade of flower-covered floats welcoming spring with the scent and colours of blossoms that have earned the “Riviera dei Fiori” its worldwide renown. The event will take place on Sunday, March 13. “Once upon a time… The magic world of fairy tales” will be the 2016 parade theme: each participating town will be assigned one fairy tale it shall draw inspiration from to create its float.

Sanremo also owns its renown to its position, to its microclimate and to the beauty of its landscape. All this adds up to a glorious past, which left its lasting mark in the old town centre (nicknamed La Pigna, “the pine cone” for the “winding” shape of the walls). Main sights include the Basilica Collegiata Cattedrale di San Siro, the Sanctuary of Madonna della Costa, the hermitage of San Michele and the Church of Cristo Salvatore, built at the end of the 19th century by the Russian nobility, nowadays one of the symbols of the town, together with the Casino, nearby. Many private mansions built along the promenade shine as jewels of architecture: Palazzo Bellevue (which has been a luxury hotel for many years, and became the city hall in 1963), Palazzo Borea d’Olmo (a few metres away from Teatro Ariston, one of the major Baroque buildings of western Liguria), Villa Ormond (renowned for its park, with many exotic plants), Villa Nobel (built in Moorish style, the last place where Alfred Nobel lived, currently a venue for cultural meetings), Villa King, nearby (Art Deco), and Castello Devachan.

 


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Just mention Milano-Sanremo and immediately your mind goes to “Grande Ciclismo” taking action. Reminding the “Primavera” (as foreigners use to call it) brings back the first important rendezvous. The competition seasons have become longer and longer, growing out of all proportion. They begin in January in Australia for closing in October in China, but the pilasters which support the whole movement are still the same, i.e. the Grandi Giri and the Classiche Monumento, (Monumental Classics), and to begin with, the Sanremo…The “Classicissima” will always be considered as one of the most charismatic race of the cycling year. And it actually is, because its characteristics are, technically speaking, unique.
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No other race can compete with a 300 kilometers long bicycle ride. And moreover it is open to everybody’s dreams. The true sprinters such as Cavendish, Greipel and Petacchi can plan a victory, but the introduction of the “Manie” has made the sprinters’ dreams more arduous and lent wings on the heels of strikers: sprinters of course but also climbers…

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Milan-Sanremo started in 1907 and more than 100 editions later the race is no doubt still a cycling icon. An icon that was able to shake the dust off its clothes offering an ever fresh and up-to-date look. And this is the reference we wish to cling to in a fervent ride into the future

Sound not working here but cool images

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cbYNWKyYTo

Milano Sanremo: finish line moves back to via Roma

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Milano, 28 novembre 2014

Milan, November 28, 2014 – The Milano San Remo goes back to its traditions to set up a spectacular finale on the classic Via Roma finish line, which has played a key role in the history of this monument race. Also known as the “Primavera”, the Milano San Remo is organised by RCS Sport/La Gazzetta dello Sport and will be held on March 22. It will run a very similar course as the 2014 edition – with the key points on Passo del Turchino, Capo Mele, Capo Cervo, Capo Berta, Cipressa and Poggio di Sanremo – but has a substantial change for the finale. Compared to the Piazzale Calvino finish, which had 3 kilometres from the Poggio descent to the finish line and has been used for the last few editions, the Via Roma finish line will shortens this distance to “only” 2km. This change will make the race even more open and unpredictable – until the final moments – with the attackers having more chances to anticipate the fast wheels of the peloton. The total distance will therefore go from 294km to 293km from 2015. COURSE NOTES The last winner on the Via Roma was the Spanish rider Oscar Freire, in 2007. Eddy Merckx is the record holder, with 7 victories in this “Classicissima di Primavera”, winning the race in 1966, 1967, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1975 and 1976, with each of these on the Via Roma finish line – showing how the finale of this race can be open to many solutions. HISTORY OF SAN REMO FINISH LINE • from 1907 to 1948 finish in Corso Cavallotti • from 1949 to 1985 finish in Via Roma • from 1986 to 1993 finish in Corso Cavallotti • from 1994 to 2007 finish in Via Roma • from 2008 to 2014 finish in Piazzale Italo Calvino



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Last Winners
2016   DEMARE Arnaud *fr
2015   DEGENKOLB John *de
2014    KRISTOFF Alexander *no
2013   CIOLEK Gerald *de    
2012   GERRANS Simon *au   
2011   GOSS Matthew Harley *au   
2010   FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar *es   
2009   CAVENDISH Mark *gb   
2008   CANCELLARA Fabian *ch   
2007   FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar *es   
2006   POZZATO Filippo *it   
2005   PETACCHI Alessandro *it   
2004   FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar *es

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Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2017, 06:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nymdVJeI3WY
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2017, 07:01
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/841182186787217408
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2017, 07:39
~pdf Milano-Sanremo / Roadbook (https://gallery.mailchimp.com/823d3a40b51c82f60f316baa5/files/59e346c3-56ac-42bb-b168-f9aa50b2207b/Garibaldi_MISA_2017_def_OK.pdf)

(also on Google Drive)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5di2ec_milano-sanremo-2017_sport
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2017, 12:54
18 c and sunny forecast :(
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2017, 13:31
Came up on Twitter someone saying they thought Sagan would win

I named top 5

Gaviria, Colbrelli, Demare, Swift, Sagan

added into the jokers of Kristoff, Cort, Degenkolb, GVA, Matthews, EBH/Cav even Viviani lots of riders that you could see winning
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 13, 2017, 14:49
added into the jokers of Kristoff, Cort, Degenkolb, GVA, Matthews, EBH/Cav even Viviani lots of riders that you could see winning
:o

Don't think King Magnus is quite there yet. Happy to be proven wrong though!
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2017, 18:12
Lobato and Felline need to be added to the list as well

Best right hand turn in cycling, going to be great on the Poggio GVA and Sagan to try and Hold Nibali and Kwato´s wheel, the sprinters holding on to Cars and team mates
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: killswitch on March 13, 2017, 20:12
Lobato and Felline need to be added to the list as well

Best right hand turn in cycling, going to be great on the Poggio GVA and Sagan to try and Hold Nibali and Kwato´s wheel, the sprinters holding on to Cars and team mates
Is he going to ride?
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 13, 2017, 20:13
Best right hand turn in cycling
It's a shame Offredo isn't there to do his trademark attack on the lower slopes. :shh
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 14, 2017, 07:36
Is he going to ride?

No idea tbh he usually does, plus Bahrain need a win and he needs 200 plus km in his legs
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 14, 2017, 10:43
~pdf Milano-Sanremo / Roadbook (https://gallery.mailchimp.com/823d3a40b51c82f60f316baa5/files/59e346c3-56ac-42bb-b168-f9aa50b2207b/Garibaldi_MISA_2017_def_OK.pdf)

(also on Google Drive)
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 14, 2017, 10:59
Bahrain named their Team No Barbie and Quickstep look ready for any and everything
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: AG on March 14, 2017, 13:43
watching Matthews at Paris Nice ... he is in good shape and will manage the Poggio no problems.

Demare and Colbrelli also in great shape

and then there is Sagan



Anyones race
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 15, 2017, 13:07
mainly for Fus

https://twitter.com/OricaScott/status/841999078716194816
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Yellow Peril on March 16, 2017, 06:39
I'm going to go against Sagan for this race. I think he may get a podium spot but it has come down to a full on gallop in recent years and there are pure sprinters who will still be in the mix.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 16, 2017, 08:21
Funnily enough I also agree no Sagan but if him and GVA get together and decide to go for it as a " team " on the poggio and descend and work together they might get their best results, wait and 4th -8th places more likely

Now ofc I would not beat against Sagan winning  ;)
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 16, 2017, 08:53
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/842297007343575045

https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/842297087186358272

Nacer and Cav getting way too much love IMHO
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 16, 2017, 09:48
https://twitter.com/CafeRoubaix/status/842311490795380736
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 16, 2017, 10:41
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/841952938138427393
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: LaVelocipede on March 16, 2017, 19:45
This is my quite unreasonably long preview:
https://twitter.com/PodiumCafe/status/842460229753266176
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 17, 2017, 07:43
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/842642205990834176
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 17, 2017, 09:57
https://twitter.com/quickstepteam/status/842675969261539328
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 18, 2017, 06:36
Morning of :D
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: search on March 18, 2017, 07:10
Morning of :D

...the star ratings :win

*it Gazzetta:
***** Sagan
**** Gaviria, Démare, Degenkolb
*** Kristoff, Matthews, Bouhanni
** van Avermaet, Colbrelli, Kwiatkowski


*be Het Nieuwsblad:
***** Sagan
**** Gaviria, Démare
*** Degenkolb, Kristoff, Matthews
** Colbrelli, GvA, Cavendish, Bouhanni
* Cort, Gilbert, Roelandts, Kwiatkowski, EBH


*fr  l'Équipe:
***** Sagan
**** Démare, Gaviria
*** Degenkolb, GvA, Matthews
** Bouhanni, Kwiatkowski
* Alaphilippe, Kristoff, Trentin, Stuyven, Swift, Colbrelli, Viviani, Ewan

Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Yellow Peril on March 18, 2017, 07:28

My choice, local lad (Italian), good form and more importantly great kit....


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Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Echoes on March 18, 2017, 10:23
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Het Nieuwsblad 15 March

Why does Greg Van Avermaet start while Vanmarcke, Stybar, Terpstra and Boom skip a « dangerous race »

“In the Tour of Flanders they are also crashing every year, aren’t they?”

The 24th, 25th and 142nd of the 2016 Milan-Sanremo are not competing this year. Sep Vanmarcke, Lars Boom and Zdenek Stybar are leaving the Primavera for what it is. “The risk of a crash is way higher than a nice result”. Dwars door [should read “door België”, please] Vlaanderen capitalises on the dangerous image of Milan-Sanremo and gets an attractive field.

Last Monday [in Tirreno, that is] Tom Boonen finished 126th along with his lieutenant Julien Vermote: 127th. The final 10km were dangerous. They let it go and sweated 5’ behind their teammate Gaviria. Greg Van Avermaet also came against his nature only 62nd on the line. In Tirreno taking risks in order to possibly compromise your spring is a no-go.

Yet the trio races Milan-Sanremo next Saturday. Sep Vanmarcke, Zdenek Stybar, Lars Boom and Niki Terpstra let it go. Their reason is the same as Boonen and Van Avermaet last Monday.
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You can see at the condition of the soil that the Italian economy is declining. The chance is 50% that you get floored in Milan-Sanremo. I don’t want to take that risk.

Stybar seconds Vanmarcke:
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I’ve already done it 4 times. The first two times, the weather was very bad. The last two times I crashed heavily. Last year I broke a rib because of a crossing dog. I have no good memories from it.
 

The period when every classic rider badly needed to have the 290km of Milan-Sanremo in the legs eyeing on the spring seems bygone. Certainly with the classic riders without a sprint.
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The chance is small that I could ever win this race. I’m not enough of a climber to attack on the Poggio and in the sprint there will always be faster men. At best I can be about 9th. I don’t want to take risks for that. I’ll take risks for the Flemish races in which I can always have a shot at the win.

Vanmarcke, Terpstra, Boom and Stybar are coming next Wednesday at the start of Dwars door Vlaanderen [“door België” for Christ’s sake]. The race belongs to the World Tour and ripes the benefits of it. For Vanmarcke, it’s the first participation since 2012. Stybar makes his debut in it.
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Sanremo is a great race but I cannot get any results there. Our team always takes a sprinter with great chances. In the past it was Cavendish. Now it’s Gaviria. Even if I have the legs to attack on the Poggio I would not do it because of team tactics. In Waregem I can work out something.

Jasper Stuyven and John Degenkolb do race Milan-Sanremo for Trek Segafredo. They do have a strong sprint. Dirk Demol says:
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Milan-Sanremo or not is a choice by the rider himself. Devolder did only once and said afterwards: Never again. For Cancellara considering not to start the Primavera was not done[1]
 1. In English in the text

Greg Van Avermaet has not hesitated a second about starting Milan-Sanremo either.
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With all due respect to Dwars door Vlaanderen, it does not compare to Milan-Sanremo. You don’t let a monument aside like that. Not starting Milan-Sanremo would hurt my heart.

The risks that he did not wish to take in Tirreno, the Olympic Champion considers taking them in the descent of the Capi.
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It’s true that they are crashing there every year. But so do they every year in the Tour of Flanders. Myself included last year.

Tiesj Benoot who combines Sanremo and Waregem seconds him

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This week I crashed in Tirreno. So did Boonen. In which race don’t you nowadays?

Benoot makes his debut next Saturday in Milan Sanremo. Van Avermaet starts for the 10th time.
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Last year I was 5th. There’s only one way to win this lottery: keep on trying.

He did show comprehension for Vanmarcke’s choice.

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I’m more of a sprinter than Sep is and I have better chance of success, even if it be but 1%. I’m of the opinion that if you have a chance to win, you also should start. In Rio I also had but 1% chance at the start.


Post Merge: March 18, 2017, 10:35
Also according to the same Nieuwsblad edition, the 8 Lotto riders for the Primavera - Tim Wellens, Tiesj Benoot, Lars Bak, Tony Gallopin, Marcel Sieberg, Tomasz Marczynski, Jens Debusschere and the great Jürgen Roelandts - are not recognising the finale. They got to Milan last Tuesday and will stay there. I thought it was pretty unprofessional even though the route of Milan-Sanremo is not really tricky, always straight ahead but still given the conditions of the roads and especially for the newcomers (Tiesj Benoot & Tim Wellens). It don't really seem wise to me.  :S

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Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 18, 2017, 12:49
GvA has a small chance to get away on the Poggio and win a reduced sprint.

Sep & Co have no chance.

Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Yellow Peril on March 18, 2017, 17:16
What a brilliat race that was. Sagan for me is truly the best cyclist since Hinault hung up his toe clips. Yes I know Kwia won and congratulations to him but riders like Sagan come along once in a blue moon. Probably one of his best rides and he didn't even win!

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Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Leadbelly on March 18, 2017, 17:37


What a brilliat race that was.

Well...........as Sven Goran Erikson might have said "last 6km good, first 285km not so good" and when I say not so good, I mean a snooze-fest. It was as bad as the LBL from a few years back.

Does the excitement of the finale cancel out the blandness of what came before? I don't know, but Sagan has definitely won some fans today for enlivening the race.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Yellow Peril on March 18, 2017, 17:43


Well...........as Sven Goran Erikson might have said "last 6km good, first 285km not so good" and when I say not so good, I mean a snooze-fest. It was as bad as the LBL from a few years back.

Does the excitement of the finale cancel out the blandness of what came before? I don't know, but Sagan has definitely won some fans today for enlivening the race.

I have quite a high "tolerance" for pro cycling so I don't get bored that easily. For me I was pleased to see Poli from Novo in the break and with Hatch and Stephens commentating it was a good listen. I think saying it was just the last 6km is a bit harsh there was plenty of postulating and positioning a bit further out. What a break by Sagan though, absolutely crushing.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 18, 2017, 17:53
 It was a completely uneventful, incident free race for 98% of it's duration, with even less animation than one finds in the usual script.
The last 2% was great, but that doesn't elevate it beyond the mediocre for me, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: search on March 18, 2017, 18:01
only 5 retirements, that must be a novelty?! Even Betancur finished the race
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: DJW on March 18, 2017, 18:06
Too many teams with good cards to play in the bunch sprint, guess most of them were happy to play for a top 10. Chapeau to Sagan for livening it up.

Let's hope for the cobbled WT classics that the other favourites decide that they are unlikely to win unless they do something to dislodge / unsettle / tire him. At the minute, two more monuments for him wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: hiero on March 18, 2017, 21:27
What a brilliat race that was. Sagan for me is truly the best cyclist since Hinault hung up his toe clips. Yes I know Kwia won and congratulations to him but riders like Sagan come along once in a blue moon. Probably one of his best rides and he didn't even win!

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Indeed it was. The first 200k are pretty run of the mill, not a lot going on. But that's the way the race is, and has always been. It was designed in a different era, when people either read about the race afterwards, or witnessed the end in person. I suppose maybe radio coverage, but that is where color commentators, like Kirby, originated. The last 40k is different, as the selections get started on the Cipressa.

But Sagan was brilliant today. His break was perfection. That Kwiatkowski and Alaphilippe managed to follow was a testament to their strength on the day. Sagan was at the front too much, just like Cancellara and Gerrans, but at least Alaphilippe and Kwiatkowski came through a couple of times to pull. Pretty hard for Sagan to sit up anywhere for cat and mouse - the peloton was hot on their heels.

Good race, and Sagan still almost took the whole thing. Marvelous finish.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: search on March 18, 2017, 23:58
https://twitter.com/albertocelani/status/843239325252927488

an interesting point there, and it's not the first time I noticed that. Sure, today was a bit different, and had he started his sprint a bit later he may have won - but in the past there have been several examples where he didn't quite have the energy to go full out twice in a race. The latest example was last month's Omloop I think, also losing the sprint in the end after spending efforts earlier on.

In a way this applies to all riders of course but for Sagan the difference between his normal capabilities in a sprint and those after an attack earlier on seems to be much bigger.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: DJW on March 19, 2017, 00:04
https://twitter.com/albertocelani/status/843239325252927488

an interesting point there, and it's not the first time I noticed that. Sure, today was a bit different, and had he started his sprint a bit later he may have won - but in the past there have been several examples where he didn't quite have the energy to go full out twice in a race. The latest example was last month's Omloop I think, also losing the sprint in the end after spending efforts earlier on.

In a way this applies to all riders of course but for Sagan the difference between his normal capabilities in a sprint and those after an attack earlier on seems to be much bigger.

He was also absolutely bombing down the descent whilst the other two were swerving in and out, sitting on and shaking out their legs. In the past couple of years his talent seems to have emerged even more than before, but his old tactical naivety remains to some degree in some situations.

As a counterpoint to Omloop, K-B-K was a good example of when he didn't try to do everything and was a bit more savvy, and he ended up winning.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: AG on March 19, 2017, 01:14
Problem for his is - when youa re that good, no one is going to come around you.

I did think Sagan deserved the win - his attack was simply outstanding, and its about time that an attack on the Poggio made it.

Kudos to Kwia though - he did pull, he did wait until the exact right time and played to his own strengths.

As good a race as you can hope a 300km sprint will be  :D
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Echoes on March 19, 2017, 14:42
Kwiatkowski deserved the win. He was not the lucky one and hardly less strong. Only he's not the guy for the anaerobic uphill effort. It reminds me of his 2015 Amstel Gold win. Then too he could not answer Gilbert's attack on the Cauberg. Yet he regrouped and managed to outsprint a fairly big bunch. The Sagan hype is as powerful on VR as on other forums it seems. Kwiatkowski has shown several times in the past that he had better recovery skills than Sagan. After all he's the better ITT specialist of the two, which potentially means the better rider (Sagan best since Hinault, surrealistic, how many better ITTers have there been since???). In the descent, Kwiatek cut the corners much better and on the flat, he made sure that the peloton was held off. Finally he was way better at the sprint and he won. Nothing to add.

I'm very glad with this Primavera. First I saw what I don't seem to have seen since the removal of the Maniè, namely riders suffering on the Capo Berta. Long time no see. I was really glad with Tim's two attacks on the Cipressa, paving the way for Gallopin's attack on the Aurelia. And then Dumoulin setting a heavy tempo right from the start of the Poggio, which definitely exhausted many sprinters. If only that guy could ride for himself and on the classics. How many classics will he leave aside for an improbable GT win? All of these elements made the decisive attack on the Poggio possible. And what a nice winner. I have always liked Kwiatek. A discrete guy, with zero ego, founded a cycling school at age 22. A farm boy too. A champion that cycling needs. An ambassador. Team Sky floored him last year with their crazy slim down policy.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 20, 2017, 08:05
I watched the last 80 km with half an eye on it, the the last 30 km was alright, but not reall super exciting, enjoyed the Sagan attack and stuff, but it is almost time for him to attck and then if no one helps ( they kid on did a turn or 2 each), just sit up and let the other rider lose

and

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BASDtHuEMk
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Echoes on March 20, 2017, 08:14
In the streets of Sanremo, Kwiatkowski took turns as much as Sagan if not more. That's where you had to do so in order to hold off the peloton. He did not steal anything. A turn or two is what it takes to get to the Via Roma which is less than 2km from the end of the Poggio descent.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 20, 2017, 08:26
I never said anyone stole anything what I said was Kwato and JA took a turn or 2 

My point is if Sagan thinks people are not helping he should just sit up
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: Echoes on March 20, 2017, 08:30
Apologies. I misunderstood that.  :angel
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 20, 2017, 11:37
My point is if Sagan thinks people are not helping he should just sit up
He's too much of a racer to do that, I think. He just always wants to win.

I believe he should do such a move once, to show people he's prepared to lose a race that way and ensure certain cooperation in the future. But Milano-San Remo, a race he's wanted to win for so many years now and never has, isn't the place to do it.

He could do it in one of the upcoming smaller classics, though.
Lose Gent-Wevelgem to make sure everyone will always work with you in the future? Why not.
Title: Re: Milano-Sanremo 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 21, 2017, 21:21
https://twitter.com/jeredgruber/status/844291998383308801