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Title: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: AG on March 16, 2017, 11:08
(http://www.voltacatalunya.cat/img/arquitectura/logo.png)
96th Volta Ciclista a Catalunya
20-26 March
(http://www.voltacatalunya.cat/downloads/lavolta_507_2__proposta_cartell.jpg)


Official website::web (http://www.voltacatalunya.cat/)
Official twitter::twitter (https://twitter.com/VoltaCatalunya)

Previous winners

2016 | QUINTANA Nairo
2015 | PORTE Richie
2014 | RODRÍGUEZ Joaquim
2013 | MARTIN Daniel
2012 | ALBASINI Michael
2011 | SCARPONI Michele CONTADOR Alberto[1]
2010 | RODRÍGUEZ Joaquim
2009 | VALVERDE Alejandro
2008 | VELOSO Gustavo Cesar
2007 | KARPETS Vladimir
2006 | CAÑADA David

WorldTour teams
 #movistar  #sky  #bmc  #orica  #katusha  #quickstep #cannondale #trek #astana #fdj #lotto #jumbo #ag2r #bahrain #sunweb #didata

ProContinental teams
#uae #bora  #cajarural #ccc #manzana #roompot #brasil #wanty



Stage 1
(http://cdn.cyclingstage.com/images/volta-a-catalunya/2017/stage-1-profile.jpg)

Stage 2
(http://cdn.cyclingstage.com/images/volta-a-catalunya/2017/stage-2-profile.jpg)

Stage 3
(http://cdn.cyclingstage.com/images/volta-a-catalunya/2017/stage-3-profile.jpg)

Stage 4
(http://cdn.cyclingstage.com/images/volta-a-catalunya/2017/stage-4-profile.jpg)

Stage 5
(http://cdn.cyclingstage.com/images/volta-a-catalunya/2017/stage-5-profile.jpg)
(http://cdn.cyclingstage.com/images/volta-a-catalunya/2017/stage-5-lo-port.jpg)

Stage 6
(http://cdn.cyclingstage.com/images/volta-a-catalunya/2017/stage-6-profile.jpg)

Stage 7
(http://cdn.cyclingstage.com/images/volta-a-catalunya/2017/stage-7-profile.jpg)
(http://cdn.cyclingstage.com/images/volta-a-catalunya/2017/stage-7-montjuic.jpg)

The Route

Its a VERY hard route here in the gorgeous north of Spain

With a Team Time Trial of some 41+ km - and lots of lumpy mountains including the super hard Lo Port with the last 8km at 9% ...  this will be a race for the tough men of cycling.   Even the final day is a testing circuit around the gorgeous Montjuic with a 2km @ 5.7% which they do 8 times over.



Full startlist: 
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/_Volta_Ciclista_a_Catalunya_2017_Stage_1_Startlist (http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/_Volta_Ciclista_a_Catalunya_2017_Stage_1_Startlist)


The Major Contenders

Froome - *****

Skipped both Paris Nice and Tireno Adriatico this year - but did start racing in the Australian summer (though not the TDU) but still - will always be up there when the mountains are like this.   Can Sky manage a TTT better than they did at TA though?

Contador - *****

Did extremely well at Paris Nice.  Lost time on stage 1 due to wind ... but went within 2 seconds of the top step on the podium in a classic "attack at all costs" performance. 


Valverde - ****

With Quintana winning at Tireno, Valverde may feel some pressure to show some early form as well to keep his name in the mind of those in charge ... not that early season form has ever been a problem for Alejandro


Ilnur Zakarin - ***

Ok at Paris Nice.  Always a danger for the podium, and a lot will come down to the TTT - and Lo Port.


Steven Kruijwijk - ***

Pulled out of Paris Nice - but proved last year that he has what it takes in these races.  Will be interesting to see what he can do, though will need the team behind him to do a good TTT and keep him in contention


Adam Yates - **

Did ok at Tireno.  Still has a bit to do, but a good TTT will be a start


Van Garderen - **

Less than impressive in the mountains of Italy.   Will need to improve to match it with the big boys here.


Julian Alaphilippe - **

Very impressive time trial at Paris Nice had him in the leaders jersey at Paris Nice ... but he simply couldnt match the climbers at the pointy end.  Still will eventually get there, and you never know when that will be.


Outsiders
maybe a climber who's team does a great TTT will surprise us here.  It will be very hard for the pro-conti teams to feature in the GC with the time they will give up in the teams time trial though - so I think this one will go to the majors.


Other Interesting Notes

Bahrain Merida showing a bit of lack of depth - or just contempt for Spanish Cycling in sending a team of only 6 ... with Gasparotto leading. 

and one more - though not a contender - but Andre Greipel is here this week too.  Not too many sprint stages for the gorilla ... but kudos to him for showing up here.   Bouhanni is here too - but perhaps more as a 'makeup' from dropping out of Paris Nice.   ;p




*** Major thanks to the ever gorgeous Flo from whom I blatantly plagiarized this post from last year.  :D
 1. :shh ;)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 16, 2017, 13:57



*** Major thanks to the ever gorgeous Flo from whom I blatantly plagiarized this post from last year.  :D


I noticed that :D

Way too long TTT uuughh
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 16, 2017, 14:02
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7C2a36WkAASK1q.jpg)

not the best poster this year
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 16, 2017, 14:19
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7C5z2oU4AAF8LD.jpg)

good climbing ? how good TTT though from #trek close to the TDF team with 1 making way for JD and De Kort?
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 16, 2017, 14:37
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7C5z2oU4AAF8LD.jpg)

good climbing ? how good TTT though from #trek close to the TDF team with 1 making way for JD and De Kort?
They should do a decent TTT but I am afraid they will lose a lot to the likes of Movistar, Etixx and Sky anyway. 40km is really long.
wrt the TDF team I see Gogl and Stetina out for Felline, De Kort and Degs
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: zinoviev letter on March 16, 2017, 16:16
The TTT is ridiculous.

There are real mountains so it seems unlikely to me that Alaphillipe will be the strongest contender on Quickstep. It's hard to justify mentioning him as a serious contender for the win. In fact quite a few of the "contenders" mentioned in the OP seem a bit odd.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: DJW on March 16, 2017, 16:47
I actually think the TTT stage will be quite a laugh. It'll be ridiculous with huge time gaps, and will more or less ruin the rest of the race, but at least it's a bit of a different prospect to the usual 15km for BMC to sprint round and it might actually shake up the pack in a way we don't expect.

I think Contador will probably win, maybe Zakarin to be his biggest challenger.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 16, 2017, 16:47
Just seen BMC's team. Dennis will be very dangerous, he'll get big time on most other contenders in the TTT. #movistar and #sky also bring a few strong TT guys but Froome is usually not that strong here. Quick Step doesn't seem to have a good team at all for the TTT so guess we shouldn't expect much from Alaphilippe and Martin, although they could get bonus (but there's also Piti :P ).
Looking at the parcours and teams I think Berto will be 2nd again :o behind Piti or Dennis
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 16, 2017, 17:35
 What happens when organisers put a 41km TTT into a stage race?
Why, nobody sends their best trialists of course. :fp
Having said that, BMC look very strong in comparison to the rest.
Should be good for 1-5 minutes advantage.
Movistar OK, but a lot of teams seem to be relying on 2 or 3 engines to pull their climbers around.
It's a big ask.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 16, 2017, 17:57
What happens when organisers put a 41km TTT into a stage race?
Why, nobody sends their best trialists of course. :fp
Having said that, BMC look very strong in comparison to the rest.
Should be good for 1-5 minutes advantage.
Movistar OK, but a lot of teams seem to be relying on 2 or 3 engines to pull their climbers around.
It's a big ask.
Trek have the advantage that their climbers can also ride a decent TT
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 16, 2017, 18:33
Trek have the advantage that their climbers can also ride a decent TT

Very true. ;)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 16, 2017, 18:38
What happens when organisers put a 41km TTT into a stage race?
Why, nobody sends their best trialists of course. :fp
Having said that, BMC look very strong in comparison to the rest.
Should be good for 1-5 minutes advantage.
Movistar OK, but a lot of teams seem to be relying on 2 or 3 engines to pull their climbers around.
It's a big ask.

Sky look strong for that, with the exceptions of Mike Snow and Mike Moonlanding who'll be saved for the mountains.

Weird parcours, I wonder why any sprinters are going at all.

And may I just add that Bertie was a legend earlier this week, more of that please.

Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: zinoviev letter on March 16, 2017, 20:52
What happens when organisers put a 41km TTT into a stage race?
Why, nobody sends their best trialists of course. :fp

If you are going to experiment with a freakishly long TTT that will effectively destroy most of the rest of the race, don't do it in a race that clashes with an important cobbled classic. Most of the best big lumps have better things to be doing than hauling their climbers around for one stage and then spending a week getting dropped by the peloton.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 17, 2017, 07:01
I love the 40 km TTT is going to be the race day of the Spring, there I said it

Going to be carnage  :lol
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 17, 2017, 13:49
https://twitter.com/twocGAME/status/842680094661525504

great photo
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Leadbelly on March 19, 2017, 11:40
http://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/worldtour/bmc-rubate-le-bici-dennis-van-garderen/

Dennis and TJ have had their TT bikes nicked.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 19, 2017, 12:51
I love the 40 km TTT is going to be the race day of the Spring, there I said it

Going to be carnage  :lol
We've had so many great race days and you're predicting this abomination to be the race day of the spring. Go sit in the corner :spank
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Leadbelly on March 19, 2017, 12:59
https://twitter.com/Bike76Com/status/841641284607574016

Soul Brasil (Funvic) finally get their 2017 season underway. The squad has been reloaded (maybe not the best choice of words) after their multi-bust last year and we'll see three of the numerous youngsters they signed in Catalunya.

Full team:

Flavio Santos
Raphael Pires
Gabriel Silva
Caio Godoy
Magno Nazaret
Pedro Nicácio
Murilo Affonso
Jordi Simón

The youngsters are Pires (20), Silva (19) and Godoy (21). Godoy was at the CMC the past three years so he has the most experience of the trio. Silva had a fairly good stagiaire stint with the team last year too.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 19, 2017, 14:01
http://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/worldtour/bmc-rubate-le-bici-dennis-van-garderen/

Dennis and TJ have had their TT bikes nicked.

Flo must got the word out to the military arm of the Contador fan club. :lol
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 19, 2017, 14:08
Flo must got the word out to the military arm of the Contador fan club. :lol
I'd have instructed them to target Sky and Movistar instead!
It shouldn't be an issue. I highly doubt they'll be forced ride the TTT on road bikes :lol

I saw that Quick Step's aim is to be top-3 in the TTT. With Cavagna, Schachmann and Vakoc + 5 lightweight climbers. Errr.

Perhaps the TTT is way more lumpy than we think.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 19, 2017, 14:14
PCS ranking of the teams based on TT skills

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=171004&c=3&stat_id=151
Hard to look past Valverde. He could also take bonus seconds on 3 or 4 stages.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LaVelocipede on March 19, 2017, 15:35
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Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 19, 2017, 17:11
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TJVG? Interesting :)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LaVelocipede on March 19, 2017, 17:14
Ciao Conor :hi

TJVG? Interesting :)
Yes, TJVG, because I'm probably an idiot. I'll look clever if it works though!  :shh :D
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 19, 2017, 17:20
I'm thinking Trek will do a quite decent TTT maybe better than people think. I'll go out on a limb and say 3rd or 4th around half a minute behind Movistar and BMC and more or less s.t. as Sky. It'll be just enough to not put Contador out of contention from the start and will allow him to finish 2nd within a few seconds of a BMC or Movistar rider :P
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 19, 2017, 19:26
Given the TTT I reckon that the podium will be Valverde, Froome and maybe a BMC if Tejay can show some form. Bardet to win a stage but finish 5th or 6th.

Maybe Yates for a podium.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 19, 2017, 19:30
the early forecast says that it'll be a rainy weekend in Barcelona. That's not particularly good for Froome's ambitions to win the race, with the Montjuic circuit on the final day
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 19, 2017, 19:35
the early forecast says that it'll be a rainy weekend in Barcelona. That's not particularly good for Froome's ambitions to win the race, with the Montjuic circuit on the final day

He can hang in if necessary, he's shown that many times. Although no one knows what his form will be like or whether any Sky wheels will disintegrate.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 19, 2017, 19:36
One thing I really don't understand is why Bouhanni and Greipel are turning up.

It's like Chaves racing the 47 Days of Dunquerke.



Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Murrjt on March 19, 2017, 20:13
Regarding the TTT it's the fourth rider that the time will be taken for, fwiw.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 19, 2017, 20:28
Regarding the TTT it's the fourth rider that the time will be taken for, fwiw.

Interesting. I thought it was 5th. In that case Sky look stronger.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: t-72 on March 19, 2017, 20:35
Will #sky Sky ride for Froome or for Thomas in this race (Froome is usually not in shape anyway....)?

Thomas might actually win this, I think the last stage suits him better than Froome. (Or ... he will crash!)

Other team that might do better than most people think: #jumbo

101 Kruijswijk, Steven
102 Gesink, Robert
103 Bennett, George
104 Clement, Stef
105 Vermeulen, Alexey
106 Campenaerts, Victor
107 Keizer, Martijn
108 Lindeman, Bert-Jan

That's a decent mix of climbers and locomotives!  :cool
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 19, 2017, 21:59
Quick Step doesn't seem to have a good team at all for the TTT so guess we shouldn't expect much from [...] Martin

mmh, unexperienced for sure, but Brambilla, Serry, Cavagna and Schachmann are all very decent time trialists. And usually this is a major goal for Martin. I think he will be there or thereabout.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 19, 2017, 22:31
Interesting. I thought it was 5th. In that case Sky look stronger.

It changes the dynamic for all the teams, not just Sky.
But yes, with Thomas in for Lopez, they now have a full pursuit team at the start.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 19, 2017, 22:44
some interesting changes there compared to the list of pre-entries

#sky Poels --> Thomas
#quickstep Alaphilippe --> Cavagna
#katusha Restrepo --> Goncalves
#cannondale Phinney --> Woods
#jumbo Roglic --> Bennett
#ag2r Jauregui --> Bardet
#lotto Sieberg --> Vanendert
#dimension Anton --> Berhane

well, but that one also had Kelderman starting for #jumbo Lotto Jumbo, so not sure how accurate it is :lol
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 19, 2017, 22:49
tomorrow's stage, via @raffilpt:



the finish is the same as usual, but the stage is harder, using this way up to the final 1st category climb Coll Formic (so it's a double 1st-cat-climb now)

(https://i0.wp.com/www.ciclismointernacional.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/volta-1b-1.jpg)

instead of this one

(http://www.ramacabici.com/altimetrias/collformic02.PNG)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 19, 2017, 23:25
mmh, unexperienced for sure, but Brambilla, Serry, Cavagna and Schachmann are all very decent time trialists. And usually this is a major goal for Martin. I think he will be there or thereabout.
They said they want to be top 3 on the TTT so I guess I know nothing :lol on the other hand I'm guessing there'll be 10 teams aiming for top 3.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 19, 2017, 23:35
yeah, even Lotto was aiming for a Top 5 in Tirreno  :lol

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LaVelocipede on March 20, 2017, 10:14
Will #sky Sky ride for Froome or for Thomas in this race (Froome is usually not in shape anyway....)?

Thomas might actually win this, I think the last stage suits him better than Froome. (Or ... he will crash!)

Other team that might do better than most people think: #jumbo

101 Kruijswijk, Steven
102 Gesink, Robert
103 Bennett, George
104 Clement, Stef
105 Vermeulen, Alexey
106 Campenaerts, Victor
107 Keizer, Martijn
108 Lindeman, Bert-Jan

That's a decent mix of climbers and locomotives!  :cool
Lotto are damned good at TTTs. It's confusing, because they can't do anything else.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 20, 2017, 12:00
Soul Brasil (Funvic) finally get their 2017 season underway.
I wonder what their official team name will be this year.
The team itself uses "Brasil Pro Cycling".
The UCI still calls them "Soul Brasil Pro Cycling Team" ... but Soul have all but withdrawn from the team, don't show up on the team website, and I think they're using another bike brand now.
Meanwhile, the main sponsors (going by the team website) are Funvic, the city of São José dos Campos, and Spinlister.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 20, 2017, 12:50
https://twitter.com/HelleKettner/status/843797436313337856
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 20, 2017, 16:42
Trek-Segafailo will be the 4th team to start tomorrow, after #funvic , #cajarural and #cannondale because they failed to place their riders any higher than 50th. Clever thinking, guys :fp that's an extra 30 seconds lost
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 20, 2017, 17:03
a bit boring that stage, but for the sake of completeness...



pretty close it was between Cimolai and Bouhanni

(http://www.edosof.com/files/2017/17_11_finish.jpg)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 20, 2017, 17:34
stage of the year coming up :cool
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 20, 2017, 17:47
start times for tomorrow:

Pto. H.Sal. Equipo
1º      14:53      #brasil SOUL BRASIL
2º      14:56      #cajarural CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA
3º      14:59      #cannondale CANNONDALE DRAPAC
4º      15:02      #trek TREK - SEGAFREDO
5º      15:05      #katusha TEAM KATUSHA ALPECIN
6º      15:08      #lotto LOTTO SOUDAL
7º      15:11      #astana ASTANA PRO TEAM
8º      15:14      #bmc BMC RACING TEAM
9º      15:17      #uae UAE TEAM EMIRATES
10º      15:20      #jumbo TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO
11º      15:23      #manzana MANZANA POSTOBON TEAM
12º      15:26      #ag2r AG2R LA MONDIALE
13º      15:29      #sunweb TEAM SUNWEB
14º      15:32      #ccc CCC SPRANDI POLKOWICE
15º      15:35      #sky TEAM SKY
16º      15:38      #dimension TEAM DIMENSION DATA
17º      15:41      #cofidis COFIDIS SOLUTIONS CREDIT
18º      15:44      #bora BORA - HANSGROHE
19º      15:47      #bahrain BAHRAIN - MERIDA
20º      15:50      #orica ORICA - SCOTT
21º      15:53      #wanty WANTY - GROUPE GOBERT
22º      15:56      #roompot ROOMPOT - NEDERLANDSE LOT
23º      15:59      #movistar MOVISTAR TEAM
24º      16:02      #quickstep QUICK - STEP FLOORS
25º      16:05      #fdj FDJ

~pdf ORDEN DE SALIDA PARA LA C.R.E (http://www.edosof.com/files/2017/17_12_portada_Salida%20C.R.E..pdf)

live timing may become available here (http://www.edosof.com/carrera/112/etapas/21#cajaetapas)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 20, 2017, 18:00
Pto. H.Sal. Equipo
4º      15:02      #trek TREK - SEGAFREDO

Live on ES1 from 15:45 :( :(
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 20, 2017, 18:06
yeah, and with an early ad break and a bit of blah blah, we are unlikely to get any live pictures before 15:55.

If #brasil SOUL BRASIL makes it into the live broadcasting window, it could mean that it's their final day in the race, given the relatively low 12% time cut :D

Post Merge: March 20, 2017, 18:42
interactive TTT profile via @raffilpt



looks like a tough day out there
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: t-72 on March 20, 2017, 20:06
I wonder what their official team name will be this year.
The team itself uses "Brasil Pro Cycling".
The UCI still calls them "Soul Brasil Pro Cycling Team" ... but Soul have all but withdrawn from the team, don't show up on the team website, and I think they're using another bike brand now.
Meanwhile, the main sponsors (going by the team website) are Funvic, the city of São José dos Campos, and Spinlister.

What about Carrefour? I thought the reason for this team making it to Catalonia at all was that Carrefour is the sponsor both of the race and the team. Have they withdrawn as well? I guess such things happen if all your "stars" are caught doping. Well deserved. Having said that, money appears in strange strange ways in Brazilian sports, sometimes in even stranger ways than some of the "medicines" involved. I wouldn't be surprised at all i some of the money changed color from black to white as they get involved sports transactions.

However, Brasil is an important country for Carrefour, so that sponsorship was pretty straight.  If they're out, then Jordi Simon is the only reason for  (Soul) Brasil Pro Cycling to get invited? Possible, but not really a good deal I'd say - I can't see where the money are in this case if not with Carrefour   :slow

PS: To talk Brazil and cycling let's not forget their very important contribution: Liquigas, sponsors of that team with those awesome riders namely Sagan and Nibali I hold responsible for my renewed interest in cycling post Armstrong years. It is a daughter of Petrobras, the Brazilian state oil company.
PPS: At the same time they sponsored another team - my Brazilian soccer team (https://youtu.be/Usbqwmi7ccM).

That's my Brazilian soccer team, Botafogo!

Post Merge: March 20, 2017, 20:14
Carrefour used to be a sponsor: https://goo.gl/images/dmc9oq
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 20, 2017, 20:35
However, Brasil is an important country for Carrefour, so that sponsorship was pretty straight.  If they're out, then Jordi Simon is the only reason for  (Soul) Brasil Pro Cycling to get invited? Possible, but not really a good deal I'd say

not a good deal, for whom? I doubt there were many more PCT teams interested in a wildcard, and by inviting Team Jordi Simon they increased the number of Catalans in the race by 50%
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 20, 2017, 22:36
http://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/worldtour/bmc-rubate-le-bici-dennis-van-garderen/

Dennis and TJ have had their TT bikes nicked.

for those not experiencing cycling from the armchair only... how much of a problem is that for a 40k TTT, having to ride on a "different" bike?
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 20, 2017, 22:57
What about Carrefour? I thought the reason for this team making it to Catalonia at all was that Carrefour is the sponsor both of the race and the team. Have they withdrawn as well? I guess such things happen if all your "stars" are caught doping. Well deserved. Having said that, money appears in strange strange ways in Brazilian sports, sometimes in even stranger ways than some of the "medicines" involved. I wouldn't be surprised at all i some of the money changed color from black to white as they get involved sports transactions.
Carrefour ended their sponsorship of the team in March last year, the team name was changed from "Funvic Soul Cycles - Carrefour" to "Funvic - Soul Cycles", and the kit changed from #funvicv1 to #funvic16.

I remember reading something about the sponsorship being a 12-month-only deal (running from March 2015 to March 2016?); but that would be an incredibly strange timeline for a sponsorship, wouldn't it.

I'm almost sure there's more to all this than meets the eye ... but I have no idea where we would have to look to find it, nor even what to look for. :S
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: t-72 on March 20, 2017, 23:33
Carrefour ended their sponsorship of the team in March last year, the team name was changed from "Funvic Soul Cycles - Carrefour" to "Funvic - Soul Cycles", and the kit changed from #funvicv1 to #funvic16.

I remember reading something about the sponsorship being a 12-month-only deal (running from March 2015 to March 2016?); but that would be an incredibly strange timeline for a sponsorship, wouldn't it.

Not necessarily a strange timeline: March is end of summer, start of fall in SE Brazil (Carnaval is basically an end-of-summer celebration).
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 21, 2017, 08:41
there could be a bit of rain and stronger wind later in the day

http://www.aemet.es/es/eltiempo/prediccion/municipios/horas/banyoles-id17015

so maybe it was all tactics, Florry? :D
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 21, 2017, 08:45
for those not experiencing cycling from the armchair only... how much of a problem is that for a 40k TTT, having to ride on a "different" bike?

Depends on the rider, but if they are a mm out and power/comfort drops it will be huge disadvantage.

I would say it will be a very big disadvantage
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 09:39
there could be a bit of rain and stronger wind later in the day

http://www.aemet.es/es/eltiempo/prediccion/municipios/horas/banyoles-id17015

so maybe it was all tactics, Florry? :D
I looked on Accuweather and the forecast looked much different. Rain - maybe that could play a role, although on Accuweather no rain is predicted in the afternoon. Wind - stronger wind will mainly be an advantage, because there is a long straight road going west in the 2nd half during which you'd have a tailwind. Of course they're going round so in the first part it'll be a slight headwind, but that road has more twists and turns so the wind won't matter as much.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 21, 2017, 10:16
Watching TJ for 40km today could put the whole BMC team to sleep.

Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 21, 2017, 11:33
https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/844107664900734976
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 21, 2017, 15:55
Good info stat after the TTT

https://twitter.com/FranReyesF/status/844215572829290496
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 16:11
Well, at least Berto won't be 2nd again and Samu could finish on the podium. Those are pretty much the only positives I can find.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 21, 2017, 16:13
The result on Edosof has Contador as dropped from the team. He obviously was not though... did he have to swap bikes with someone maybe? They lost pretty much time in the 2nd part
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 16:22
The result on Edosof has Contador as dropped from the team. He obviously was not though... did he have to swap bikes with someone maybe? They lost pretty much time in the 2nd part
The timing is a mess. Trek finished 50'10", not 51'10" as shown there.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 16:37
Looks like Baby Nibali and 2 Funvic should be OTL...
And TACIAK, Mateusz
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 21, 2017, 16:41
BMC are complaining that Movistar riders were breaking the rules by pushing fellow riders during the TT.
There are a couple of incidents being shown on Twitter, apparently.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 16:44
BMC are complaining that Movistar riders were breaking the rules by pushing fellow riders during the TT.
There are a couple of incidents being shown on Twitter, apparently.
It was a tap nothing more nothing less. Wouldn't call it an offence.


edit:
https://twitter.com/sergi_lopezegea/status/844227096960483328

Rojas gets a 3 minute penalty, Valverde the new leader. I'm screaming this is so ridiculous :D :D :D :D :D gotta love the Spanish

Post Merge: March 21, 2017, 16:51
Via INRNG

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7dN9z7WwAIjtay.jpg)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 21, 2017, 16:59
Yup, the UCI rules are quite clear.
Someone had already pointed this out, elsewhere.
But when in Spain, you get their version of fair play.
No wonder the applaud successful dives in the penalty box.

Instead, we get the race leader that they wanted. To them it's as if the actually took a stance on the cheating.
Hilarious.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 21, 2017, 17:03
Looks like Baby Nibali and 2 Funvic should be OTL...
And TACIAK, Mateusz

someone on Twitter said that the roadbook was wrong. Apparently the time cut was 25% instead of 12%
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 17:10
someone on Twitter said that the roadbook was wrong. Apparently the time cut was 25% instead of 12%
That would make sense. I think 25% is the norm for a TT.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 17:13
Yup, the UCI rules are quite clear.
Someone had already pointed this out, elsewhere.
But when in Spain, you get their version of fair play.
No wonder the applaud successful dives in the penalty box.

Instead, we get the race leader that they wanted. To them it's as if the actually took a stance on the cheating.
Hilarious.
They could have said it wasn't a big enough "push" to actually be a push.
But now they acknowledge it was an offence but don't apply the right sanction.
This reminds me of another time when race juries pulled a sanction out of the air... I can't remember what it was??
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: cj2002 on March 21, 2017, 17:22
Who knew there could be so much controversy from a TTT :fp
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 21, 2017, 17:30
yep. And the official (?) result still has Contador at +3:04 in GC. And also all the other Trek are wrong by a minute

http://edosof.com/files/2017/17_21_portada_Resultados%202%C2%AA%20Etapa.pdf
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 21, 2017, 17:36
Looks like Baby Nibali and 2 Funvic should be OTL...
And TACIAK, Mateusz
Ha!
He's seriously just not good enough to be a WT pro. If he weren't "the brother of", he'd be on a Conti team at most.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 21, 2017, 17:38
Who knew there could be so much controversy from a TTT :fp
Way more exciting than the stage itself! :lol

They could have said it wasn't a big enough "push" to actually be a push.
But now they acknowledge it was an offence but don't apply the right sanction.
This reminds me of another time when race juries pulled a sanction out of the air... I can't remember what it was??
Pick just about any jury decision in just about any race ... :P
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 21, 2017, 17:41
Way more exciting than the stage itself! :lol
Pick just about any jury decision in just about any race ... :P

oh come on, this one is special. Rojas got 3 minutes in the end, Amador 2, and Oliveira 1  :lol
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 18:17
oh come on, this one is special. Rojas got 3 minutes in the end, Amador 2, and Oliveira 1  :lol
So that almost adds up to the 1 minute per rider they should have received :cool
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 21, 2017, 18:22
So that almost adds up to the 1 minute per rider they should have received :cool

Team effort and all that.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 21, 2017, 18:25
Full result including split times. I assume this is correct at least...

Pto  Equipo  Inter-1    Llegada
#movistar MOVISTAR TEAM 26:17 (1º) <- 22:38 (2º) ->  48:55.80
#bmc BMC RACING TEAM 26:26 (2º) <- 22:31 (1º) ->  48:57.90
#sky TEAM SKY 26:48 (3º) <- 22:53 (3º) ->  49:41.93
#trek TREK - SEGAFREDO 26:50 (4º) <- 23:20 (5º) ->  50:10.83
#orica ORICA - SCOTT 27:07 (5º) <- 23:12 (4º) ->  50:19.31
#fdj FDJ 27:12 (6º) <- 23:27 (9º) ->  50:39.57
#jumbo TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 27:22 (7º) <- 23:21 (6º) ->  50:43.80
#astana ASTANA PRO TEAM 27:36 (12º) <- 23:24 (7º) ->  51:00.82
#lotto LOTTO SOUDAL 27:40 (13º) <- 23:25 (8º) ->  51:05.96
10º #quickstep QUICK - STEP FLOORS 27:28 (9º) <- 23:40 (10º) ->  51:08.97
11º #ag2r AG2R LA MONDIALE 27:27 (8º) <- 23:43 (11º) ->  51:10.76
12º #bora BORA - HANSGROHE 27:28 (10º) <- 23:54 (14º) ->  51:22.30
13º #ccc CCC SPRANDI POLKOWICE 27:30 (11º) <- 24:02 (16º) ->  51:32.92
14º #katusha TEAM KATUSHA ALPECIN 27:56 (14º) <- 23:47 (12º) ->  51:43.20
15º #uae UAE TEAM EMIRATES 27:57 (15º) <- 23:56 (15º) ->  51:53.20
16º #sunweb TEAM SUNWEB 28:12 (17º) <- 23:47 (13º) ->  51:59.82
17º #bahrain BAHRAIN - MERIDA 27:58 (16º) <- 24:23 (20º) ->  52:21.05
18º #cannondale CANNONDALE DRAPAC 28:19 (19º) <- 24:06 (17º) ->  52:25.26
19º #dimension TEAM DIMENSION DATA 28:13 (18º) <- 24:13 (19º) ->  52:26.95
20º #roompot ROOMPOT - NEDERLANDSE LOT 28:27 (20º) <- 24:13 (18º) ->  52:40.35
21º #wanty WANTY - GROUPE GOBERT 28:29 (21º) <- 24:30 (21º) ->  52:59.76
22º #manzana MANZANA POSTOBON TEAM 28:41 (22º) <- 24:38 (24º) ->  53:19.54
23º #cofidis COFIDIS SOLUTIONS CREDIT 28:50 (23º) <- 24:32 (22º) ->  53:22.26
24º #cajarural CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA 28:56 (24º) <- 24:35 (23º) ->  53:31.93
25º #brasil SOUL BRASIL 29:06 (25º) <- 25:08 (25º) ->  54:14.21
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 21, 2017, 18:34
looks like #manzana Molano and Piedra crashed and had to abandon the race. Taking that into account, it's a respectable result for Manzana Postobon, I would say, only a minute behind the worst World Tour teams
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 21, 2017, 18:58
Crazythe whole Movistar team does not get the penalties not 3 riders but as MV said they got the right rider into the race lead so ..... cycling is so funny sometimes
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on March 21, 2017, 19:14
oh come on, this one is special. Rojas got 3 minutes in the end, Amador 2, and Oliveira 1  :lol

So Rojas was the rider doing the pushing and seeing as they've each been penalised Amador and Oliveiria were the riders that received the pushes?
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 21, 2017, 19:16
Crazythe whole Movistar team does not get the penalties not 3 riders but as MV said they got the right rider into the race lead so ..... cycling is so funny sometimes
I guess the 'reasoning'[1] is that Rojas, Amador & Oliveira pushed other riders 3, 2 & 1 time(s) respectively.
The pushed rider (Valverde, wasn't it?) obviously can't be penalised - how should he have avoided such a sneaky push by his up-to-no-good teammates?

:lol
 1. if you can call it that
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 19:47
So Rojas was the rider doing the pushing and seeing as they've each been penalised Amador and Oliveiria were the riders that received the pushes?
That's how it was explained I believe. :cool
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 21, 2017, 19:56
They said they want to be top 3 on the TTT so I guess I know nothing :lol on the other hand I'm guessing there'll be 10 teams aiming for top 3.
Aim for top-3, finish 10th.
:cool
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 21, 2017, 19:56
 :lol :lol :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/procycletrumps/status/844276006789746688
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 21, 2017, 21:29
I recon there might be a team wide penality for movistar annouced beofre the start of stage 3

https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/844299224783163392
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: t-72 on March 21, 2017, 22:10
:lol :lol :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/procycletrumps/status/844276006789746688

Procycletrumps other trumps in the media  :lol

I still don't get how you can be a UCI commissaire and miss the part that there should be a team punishment.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on March 21, 2017, 22:17
Procycletrumps other trumps in the media  :lol

I still don't get how you can be a UCI commissaire and miss the part that there should be a team punishment.

If you are a UCI Commissaire you can miss a lot. like the more people that break a rule in a race the easier it is to actually see no one break a rule.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 07:09
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7gQ5V4XkAA5LEh.jpg)

Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 22, 2017, 07:53
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7gQ5V4XkAA5LEh.jpg)

 Well, of course it is going to snow, so they have to cancel the big mountain finish.
Why else have a 41km TTT to create huge GC gaps? :fp  :lol
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 07:58
Well, of course it is going to snow, so they have to cancel the big mountain finish.
Why else have a 41km TTT to create huge GC gaps? :fp  :lol

yep Got to love cycling
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 22, 2017, 08:05
well, looking at that forecast, everything should be fine though?! "Nieve 0cm"
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 22, 2017, 08:11
well, looking at that forecast, everything should be fine though?! "Nieve 0cm"

 Just a load of freezing cold rain with a snow symbol.
I guess it's another example of Spanish flexibility. :D
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 09:24
I recon there might be a team wide penality for movistar annouced beofre the start of stage 3

https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/844299224783163392

https://twitter.com/BMCProTeam/status/844476906653335552
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 22, 2017, 09:27
????

Post Merge: March 22, 2017, 09:29
Oh dear prediction game madness :o :beaten
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 09:29
????

Movistar team gets a penalty

GC and race now wide open

Game on 
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 22, 2017, 09:31
Movistar team gets a penalty

GC and race now wide open

Game on
UCI/jury fail :fp
Should have done nothing, it wasn't anything bad. But they acknowledged it was an offence by giving the ridiculous penalties. So they had nowhere to go.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 22, 2017, 09:33
Now we have Sky in pole position :beaten that's worse than Piti
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 09:36
UCI/jury fail :fp
Should have done nothing, it wasn't anything bad. But they acknowledged it was an offence by giving the ridiculous penalties. So they had nowhere to go.

very very important for TTT´s going forward, they had to make a stand it would have got out of hand otherwise
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: AG on March 22, 2017, 09:51
what penalty did they get?

I thought it was only Rojas and Oliviera
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 22, 2017, 10:32
what penalty did they get?

I thought it was only Rojas and Oliviera

Been amended this morning. All got 1 minute penalty, Rojas more.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 22, 2017, 10:33
Correct decision. The article by Caley Fretz is a good explanation of why it had to be done.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: AG on March 22, 2017, 10:46
yeah that is the right decision
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 10:57
Via Jens Attacks

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7hG6EEW4AAUhzj.jpg)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 22, 2017, 11:11
Via Jens Attacks

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7hG6EEW4AAUhzj.jpg)
Rohan Dennis to win the GC? I think so.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: AG on March 22, 2017, 11:24
Nah - I still think it is between Froome, Valverde and Contador.

Dennis will lose too much on some of htose climbs.  tejay too.

If Froome is in reasonable shape he should win.  If not, Valverde will take it
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 12:49
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/844530815975481345
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 22, 2017, 15:36
here is Movistar's official statement:

Quote
After the events that happened following the team time trial of the Volta a Catalunya, with a one-minute penalty being eventually imposed over the eight riders that claimed victory on the stage yesterday, the Movistar Team wants to express its complete disagreement towards the sanction received.

It's a penalty due to an infringement which we consider absolutely non-existent. The rider performing the action does not "push" his team-mates, but touches the back of them with his right hand to warn them that they must take his position into the team row, a fact that doesn't influence the race's outcome at all.

We deeply regret that a sporting event sees its results distorted by the application of a rule which punishes pushing between team-mates, something which, as shown by the images, was not the case yesterday. We consider this sets a dangerous precedent for the future, since any touch between riders from now on will have to be punished.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 22, 2017, 16:24
here is Movistar's official statement:
So they dispute that there was effective pushing, saying it was touching at best. Alright, that is up for discussion, and I don't have an opinion one way or the other.

What is not up for discussion is that when this happens in a TTT, the time penalty must logically apply to the whole team.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on March 22, 2017, 16:36
here is Movistar's official statement:

Problem being with that is that on one of the occassions the rider had almost slotted back into the line infront of Rojas, albeit having lost about half a bike length on the man infront before the Rojas push/touch. That wasnt to tell the rider that he needed to slot back into line. whether it helped him or not is another matter.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 16:48
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: DJW on March 22, 2017, 16:57
Dennis DNF
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 16:58
Dennis DNF

opps

I missed all of this so no idea what happened
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: DJW on March 22, 2017, 17:00
opps

I missed all of this so no idea what happened

me too, just noticed on PCS


few others as well:


DNF Dennis Rohan BMC Racing Team  -

DNF Benedetti Cesare Bora - Hansgrohe  ,,

DNF Machado Tiago Team Katusha - Alpecin  ,,

DNF Molina Antonio Caja Rural - Seguros RGA  ,,

DNF Nicacio Pedro Autran Dourado Dutra Funvic/Brasil Pro Cycling  ,,

DNS ArméeSander Lotto Soudal  ,,

DNS de Bie Sean Lotto Soudal  ,,

DNS Ludvigsson Tobias FDJ  ,,

DNS Haga Chad Team Sunweb   ,,

DNS Mori Manuele UAE Team Emirates  ,,

DNS Geniez Alexandre AG2R La Mondiale  ,,

OTL Machado Silva Gabriel Funvic/Brasil Pro Cycling  -

OTL Pires Raphael Funvic/Brasil Pro Cycling  -

OTL Santos Flavio Funvic/Brasil Pro Cycling  -
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 22, 2017, 17:01
wow  #brasil do they have any riders left?
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 22, 2017, 17:23
I kinda like the "Movistar wins again" headline of their newest press release today, I must admit... :D
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: LukasCPH on March 22, 2017, 19:04
Dennis DNF
Guess I shouldn't take up divining just yet ... :D

Rohan Dennis to win the GC? I think so.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: AG on March 22, 2017, 23:34
 :lol Lukas.   guess not ....
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 23, 2017, 08:46
it is snowing  :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/844832619107803137
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Leadbelly on March 23, 2017, 09:47
wow  #brasil do they have any riders left?

http://bike76.com/2017/03/funvic-sofre-baixas-mas-murilo-lidera-na-montanha-da-volta-a-catalunha/

They do have some valid-ish excuses.

• First race of the season
• Nicácio had crashed in training before the race in Brazil. Obviously hadn't recovered.
• Santos had crashed heavily on stage 1

Quote
Flavio suffered a serious crash in the last descent in Calella. As it fell, it passed over the side shield and fell into a ravine, stopping at a tree.

Some cars that followed behind saw the fall and stopped to help the Brazilian. He had body scrapes and bruises on his femur and rib. At the time, he had difficulty breathing, but he managed to finish. Today, he still had a great performance helping Murilo Affonso. Then, with strong pains, slowed down and ended up completing out of time.

• The other two OTLs Silva and Pires are really young and inexperienced.

On the plus side, Affonso still leads the KoM, but it will be a tall order to hold onto it all the way to Barcelona.

Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 23, 2017, 10:58
https://twitter.com/veloropa/status/844864952942809088
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 23, 2017, 18:33
https://twitter.com/jjrojillas/status/844962944882495488

:D
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Leadbelly on March 23, 2017, 18:54
https://twitter.com/katushacycling/status/844962571526529027
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 24, 2017, 08:08
https://twitter.com/jjrojillas/status/844963031335550977
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: DJW on March 24, 2017, 08:15
https://twitter.com/jjrojillas/status/844963031335550977

The man has a point...
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 24, 2017, 08:17
The man has a point...

it is just funny the open slagging
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 24, 2017, 11:38
https://twitter.com/BMCProTeam/status/845237890649067520

So no Hermans or Dennis

TJVG better be on a Good day and Samu as well
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Joelsim on March 24, 2017, 19:45
It appears that at 6.6W/kg for 24 minutes, Piti's performance today was pretty damn amazing.

Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 24, 2017, 20:59
It appears that at 6.6W/kg for 24 minutes, Piti's performance today was pretty damn amazing.

 I actually thought that Marc Soler was the strongest rider on that mountain, today.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 24, 2017, 21:42
https://twitter.com/tejay_van/status/845318133757984769

https://twitter.com/alejanvalverde/status/845327346899013633
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 24, 2017, 22:04
Tejay shows class in defeat. Cannot be said about many other riders.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 25, 2017, 10:17
final ~70k today (via plataformarecorridosciclistas.org)

http://www.cronoescalada.com/index.php/tracks/view/273680

will be difficult for Contador to attack (successfully) on that, I fear
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 25, 2017, 10:31
https://twitter.com/Dipta_cat/status/845577785775181824

another shortened stage?
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 25, 2017, 10:37
final ~70k today (via plataformarecorridosciclistas.org)

http://www.cronoescalada.com/index.php/tracks/view/273680

will be difficult for Contador to attack (successfully) on that, I fear
Yes the climbs are way too easy and way too far from the finish..... And he doesn't have the legs, and he'll have both Movistar and Sky chasing him ;) I predict an attack that lasts 10 whole seconds.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Melbro on March 25, 2017, 15:50
Anyone having any info on details for the KOMs. The point structure on each category.
Can't find any roadbook or info on website for this race.

Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 25, 2017, 16:16
Anyone having any info on details for the KOMs. The point structure on each category.
Can't find any roadbook or info on website for this race.
Here is the roadbook :)

http://www.voltacatalunya.cat/downloads/lavolta_288_LLibre_de_Ruta_2017_Web.pdf

Edit: had a little look myself
(http://i64.tinypic.com/33tpfnd.png)
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: t-72 on March 25, 2017, 16:25
Can someone please explain what happened  :S

Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 25, 2017, 16:27
Can someone please explain what happened  :S
The race split on a tricky descent and Froome and Sky were caught napping. The gap gradually increased to about 2 minutes and then they threw in the towel.
Then a few hours of :zzz2 , a slightly eek-y descent in some parts and an escape by Cataldo and De Marchi, who were caught on the line by the group. Impey won the sprint.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 25, 2017, 16:45
something around ~50 guys missed the time cut. They should be all out tbh
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 25, 2017, 16:54
Poor Jordi Simon. All alone in the hotel tonight. :-x
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: search on March 25, 2017, 17:00
yep, everyone on from 115th is out, and rightly so. Only two Caja Rural left as well

http://www.edosof.com/files/2017/17_61_portada_Resultados%206%C2%AA%20Etapa.pdf
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 25, 2017, 18:09
yep, everyone on from 115th is out, and rightly so. Only two Caja Rural left as well

http://www.edosof.com/files/2017/17_61_portada_Resultados%206%C2%AA%20Etapa.pdf

 A pity Froome and the boys weren't in this crowd, given his words of support for imposing the rule, after the fact. :D
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 25, 2017, 21:42
TJVG did alright tbh the tweet to Valverde hanging around today, could have taken his bat and ball  grown in my eyes
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: DJW on March 26, 2017, 00:22
Any idea why Mollema DNF?
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 26, 2017, 13:32




Got no idea what happened justing getting in to watch GW  :D
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: AG on March 26, 2017, 13:59
Lots of attacking the final circuit up to MontJuic.  Froome, Valverde, Contador, Dan Martin and a bunch of others all had a go.

Dan Martin and Valverde got away for a few seconds gap.  Valverde held on to win (just) with a good sprint.
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: Flo on March 26, 2017, 14:22
Any idea why Mollema DNF?
Saving himself for the Giro
Title: Re: Volta A Catalunya 2017
Post by: t-72 on March 26, 2017, 22:36
IMHO one of the best races with the worst TV coverage available  :cool

A few honorable mentions:
#fdj David Gaudu now I understand why the hype on the FDJ website has been going on for months
#movistar Marc Soler must be the best climbing gregario out there, future skytrain derailer? If it is not
#trek Jarlinson Pantano (although Trek needs to figure out more ways to use him tactically - they have rehearsed attack con Pantano in both French and Spanish now....)
#movistar Alejandro Valverde: which Grand Tour will he be riding this year - cause right now only Quintana is possibly at the same level!