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Title: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on March 22, 2017, 11:33
Tour of Flanders     
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The king of the classics with its cobbled climbs and windy and (hopefully) muddy cycle tracks is upon us again.



The Route

A few changes once again this year - though the finish in Oudenaarde remains pretty much the same.  In fact the last 75km or so of the race remains unchanged, so the Oude-Kwaremont-Paterburg combo remains the crunch sector.

The Muur is BACK !!!!   :cool  with the km long cobbled climb of 20% the Muur is legendary in this race .....  but it is with 100km to go so its likely too far out from home to be the major turning point that it once was. 

A new start city of Antwerp - but many of the tougher sections are in the middle and back end of the race, so there will be plenty of miles in the legs before the action kicks off.

The race is some 260km long - with a total of 18 climbs but with a few changes in the mix.  The Molenberg, Valkenberg and Kaperij are out and the Ten Bosse, the Muur and the new climb of the Pottelberg

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Last year Peter Sagan made his winning move on the Paterberg which is a long way from home.  Anything can still happen in this race - and much will depend on the weather too.

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This year will be Tommeke's final goodbye ... can he make his magic one last time?

Previous Winners

2016: Peter Sagan (svk)
2015: Alexander Kristoff (nor)
2014: Fabian Cancellara (swi)
2013: Fabian Cancellara (swi)
2012: Tom Boonen (bel)
2011: Nick Nuyens (bel)
2010: Fabian Cancellara (swi, image)
2009: Stijn Devolder (bel)
2008: Stijn Devolder (bel)
2007: Alessandro Ballan (ita)
2006: Tom Boonen (bel)
2005: Tom Boonen (bel)
2004: Steffen Wesemann (ger)
2003: Peter Van Petegem (bel)
2002: Andrea Tafi (ita)
2001: Gianluca Bortolami (ita)
2000: Andrei Tchmil (ita)

(http://inrng.com/medias/images/rondepreview.jpg)  (http://www.sportingtours.co.uk/classics/images/flanders/climbs/9542.jpg)

This years Contenders

Where do we start?   Well - the world champ would be the best chance I would think.

*****  Sagan, GVA
**** Van Marcke, Kristoff
*** Pick a name ... any name. 

Its hard to list so many who could do well here - depending on the weather, the crashes, the punctures, the order of the cars and the lack of Fabian Cancellara  :angry

Start list
http://www.cyclingstage.com/tour-of-flanders-2017/riders-rvv-2017/


Title: Re: 2017 De Ronde van Vlaanderen - Sunday 2nd April 2017
Post by: Echoes on March 22, 2017, 13:57
The king of the classics

Lol when was the marriage with the Queen?  :lol
Title: Re: 2017 De Ronde van Vlaanderen - Sunday 2nd April 2017
Post by: AG on March 22, 2017, 23:36
 :lol

I just remember a thread (a long time ago now) that was arguing over which was the best monument - and there was a great line that if Paris Roubaix was the Queen of hte Classics then RvV would have to be King !!!    so I have always thought of it as so  :D
Title: Re: 2017 De Ronde van Vlaanderen - Sunday 2nd April 2017
Post by: just some guy on March 25, 2017, 07:53
~pdf Ronde van Vlaanderen (Men) / Roadbook (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6g1gOm2sMzAOElxMUJMNzFwMTg)


(on Google Drive)
Title: Re: 2017 De Ronde van Vlaanderen - Sunday 2nd April 2017
Post by: AG on March 25, 2017, 07:58
Well we are getting a better idea on form as the Classics go on.

Sagan, GVA and Terpstra all in good shape.  Will be up there at the pointy end

Gilbert will be a contender this year too.

Sep Van Marcke will not be there IMO.  He has failed to stay with the groups at both DDV and E3 - and if you dont have it over 200km, you arent going to when its 260.

Benoot unlucky for Lotto.  Got a mechanical at the wrong time. 

Stuyven too was unlucky in the wheel stakes so a definite maybe ...

Naeson for AG2R been very good over those races

Kristoff was still in the group but didnt look like he was ever going to bridge or do anything much.  Not sure about him really

Degenkolb did try ... PR might be better for him though
Title: Re: 2017 De Ronde van Vlaanderen - Sunday 2nd April 2017
Post by: AG on March 27, 2017, 02:18
What we have learned ....



From Milan San Remo

1 - Sagan wants this.  Badly.

2 - If Sagan is to win, he has to learn to make others work.  At the moment, he gets into situations where he is expected to do everything as no one will work with him.  They know that if they dont - he will do it.  A lot like Cancellara in his prime - Sagan needs to hold off sometimes

3 - Kwiatkowski and Alaphilippe the only ones who could stay with the surge of power. Both looking towards the Ardennes which will be interesting this year.

4 - It is possible after all to attack on the Poggio and hold it until the finale

5 - Kristoff in ok shape too.  Will be looking for RvV




From Dwars Door Vlaanderen


Quote from: AG
1 - Quickstep finally learn some tactics.   They have long been the strongest team in these races, but have rarely used their superior numbers in the final sections to any advantage.

2 - Sep VanMarcke not there yet.  He missed the opening move, set his team to bring them back but never managed it.  They eventually sat up and followed, relying on Sep to bridge on the Kwaremont .... but he failed to gain back anything.  In fact, Stybar and Terpstra left him in their wake as they bridged

3 - Gilbert surely a contender for Flanders.  Though lets face it, the competition will be another several rungs higher with the likes of Sagan and GVA to come in.

4 - Groenewegen has a future in the classics.   Great ride from the young sprinter here

5 - Michael Matthews having made some pretty big statements about his goals on the cobbles .,.. has some work still to do

From E3 Harelbeke

Quote from: AG
1 - Phil is BACK !!!!    2 podiums in 3 days is a good indication that he is in form and ready for Flanders

2 - Quickstep made the pace ... but punctures at the wrong time meant that only Phil made the move when it happened.  They probably wont be thrilled with that return

3 - GVA in good form.  He seems a lot more settled and confident than previous years with all those second places and struggling to find a way to win.    I like the gold bands on his sleeves - much better than a gold bike.

4 - Sep VanMarcke wont be there at the end of Flanders.  Twice in 3 days he has not had the strength ... and if you dont have it in a 206km race, how do you expect to last the distance over 260?

5 - Sagan unlucky in being caught in a crash - but he was riding in the bunch with all the strongest contenders in the move in front.  Its not the normal way of things for Sagan.  MSR proved he is in shape so still expect him to defend RvV with his usual aggressiveness


From Gent Wavelgem

1 - GVA is here.   Omloop, E3 and GW .... this is his year. 

2 - Sagan is here too   :D    Great at MSR, also at E3 he missed the move but was there or thereabouts and a powerhouse here.  The battle between him and GVA (with Gilbert and a few others trying their hardest to hang in there) will be awesome

3 - Naesen having a great year.  He was in the front group again here, and if he can stay with the moves long enough things might fall his way

4 - Quickstep .... sooooo many numbers, and attacking all the time.  They dont always (or often) pull off the win - but you know they will be there.

5 - Daniel Oss was fabulous here.  He did a truckload of work setting things up for GVA and will be needed at RvV
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on March 28, 2017, 15:53
Podium on form Tuesday week of

Van Avermaet Gilbert Sagan
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on March 29, 2017, 07:27
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/846971556198862848
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on March 29, 2017, 16:00
https://twitter.com/nealrogers/status/847098889278648320
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on March 29, 2017, 16:15
https://twitter.com/velonews/status/847104493124767745
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on March 29, 2017, 19:20
https://twitter.com/velonews/status/847150618775040001
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on March 30, 2017, 00:37
Ho can I like that more  times ?


oh well - will quote it then  :D

https://twitter.com/velonews/status/847150618775040001
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on March 30, 2017, 08:35
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/847297064379629568

I recon the flat by Burgy at the wrong time certainly effected the race, if he can get in the break for both P-R and RvV Sagan will have one of the strongest Doms in his playing deck
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on March 30, 2017, 11:45
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8KP4WXUAAAAMAK.jpg)

going to be a warm one
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: LukasCPH on March 30, 2017, 12:21
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going to be a warm one
Headwind on the run-in to the hellingen & on the return from Geraardsbergen, tailwind after the Koppenberg, crosswinds on the run-in to the Kwaremont & on the final stretch to Oudenaarde.
But 3-4 Bft are really not that much.
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: hiero on March 30, 2017, 13:51
Some great historical video coverage of 1985 (Vanderaerden wins in Biblical flood conditions), and 1992 (Jacky Durand flies with an early BOTD and takes advantage of too long a leash).

http://www.velonews.com/2017/03/analysis/studying-flanders-1985-mother-natures-last-laugh_433499

http://www.velonews.com/2017/03/analysis/studying-flanders-1992-breakaway-stuns-the-favorites_434030
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 30, 2017, 14:10
 The Team Sky cheats have found a new marginal gain for the Ronde:-

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 :D :D :D
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: LukasCPH on March 31, 2017, 10:21
The Team Sky cheats have found a new marginal gain for the Ronde:-

(https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/WATSON_00004101-045.jpg)


 :D :D :D
If this happened on Sunday, Stannard (?) would be the only rider (of those pictured) left in the race. :cool
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on March 31, 2017, 12:36
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/847772507566477313

https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/847772712537862145
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on April 01, 2017, 07:11
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/848052866577289216
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: search on April 01, 2017, 08:35
from today's Het Nieuwsblad:

(http://i.imgur.com/dvZqIXp.jpg)

...and also the first star ratings in there:

*be Het Nieuwsblad

***** Sagan
**** GvA, Gilbert
*** Terpstra, Benoot, Naesen
** Degenkolb, Boonen, Vanmarcke, Kristoff
* EBH, Stybar, Stuyven, Keukeleire, Durbridge


Edit: also here

*nl de Telegraaf

***** Sagan, GvA
**** Gilbert, Degenkolb
*** Terpstra, Kristoff, Boonen, Durbridge, Vanmarcke
** van Baarle, Naesen, Keukeleire, Rowe, Demare, Pozzato
* Langeveld, Lampaert, Benoot, Stuyven, Stannard, EBH, Valgren, Felline
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 01, 2017, 08:53
Interesting star ratings

I definitely would have Kristoff ahead of VanMarcke

and I would have put Keukeleire well ahead of Durbridge


as for the Telegraph - DeMare?   really?   *     and ahead of the likes of Benoot and Lampaert   






(*and now that I have slagged him, he will no doubt go and win the race :fp )
Title: Re: 2017 De Ronde van Vlaanderen - Sunday 2nd April 2017
Post by: Echoes on April 01, 2017, 09:17
:lol

I just remember a thread (a long time ago now) that was arguing over which was the best monument - and there was a great line that if Paris Roubaix was the Queen of hte Classics then RvV would have to be King !!!    so I have always thought of it as so  :D

Yes it was on CNF. I argued that Paris-Roubaix was the harder race of the two based on what some riders told me because the cobbles are longer and flat which means that the inter-sections of asphalt are also flat while the Tour of Flanders is made of small hills meaning that afterwards you of necessity have some descents enabling recup. So I argued that Paris-Roubaix was considered the Queen of Classics and it was not just a mere subjective feeling. AK-Zaaf loves the Tour of Flanders more and so he quoted me saying, then Tour of Flanders is King.  :D It doesn't change the fact that Paris-Roubaix is the hardest of all.  ;) After all in medieval Chivalric romance the Queen is above the King, you respect a Queen.  :shy
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Yellow Peril on April 01, 2017, 18:29
So very very excited about this tomorrow! I'm using the infinite Monkey theory and predicting Jasper Stuyven for the win. I also predict a winnning time of 6hours 16 minutes and 45 seconds. Why is this the king of the classics? because although Paris Roubaix is an incredibly hard race this is also hard but requires (IMO) a little more finesse in establishing a winning move.

Anyway here's a picture of one of the greats of this race. Johan Museeuw ...the Lion of Flanders...

(http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2015/04/01/2/503986285_670.jpg)
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 02, 2017, 00:49
glad to see Eurosport getting into the spirit of things here

On Tv today

all stages of De Panne
DDV
E3
GW

and then a couple of stages of Tour of Catalunya


 :cool
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Ram on April 02, 2017, 02:47
Why is this the king of the classics? because although Paris Roubaix is an incredibly hard race this is also hard but requires (IMO) a little more finesse in establishing a winning move.
Makes sense. Paris Roubaix is the Queen of the classics, and we know that women are more difficult.


I'll show myself out
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on April 02, 2017, 07:10
https://twitter.com/OricaScott/status/848402885431918592
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: search on April 02, 2017, 07:58
more star ratings: :)

*fr l'Équipe

:*:*:*:*:* GvA, Sagan, Gilbert
:*:*:*:* -
:*:*:* Boonen, Vanmarcke, Terpstra
:*:* Stybar, Degenkolb, Naesen
:* Lampaert, Durbridge, Kristoff


*it Gazzetta dello Sport

:*:*:*:*:* Sagan, van Avermaet
:*:*:*:* Gilbert, Boonen
:*:*:* Kristoff, Vanmarcke, Degenkolb
:*:* Keukeleire, Durbdridge, Naesen
:* -
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 02, 2017, 16:24
PHIL !!!!!

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Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: t-72 on April 02, 2017, 16:29
Most boring RvV I have watched :P He was just too strong!
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 02, 2017, 16:36
I dont think even in his dreams he imagined a 50+km solo to win RvV ....    :lol
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Mellow Velo on April 02, 2017, 16:44
Not the day for Sagan's famous bike handling skills to take the day off.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8awZgBWAAE5Rye.jpg)
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: t-72 on April 02, 2017, 16:47
My theory is he wanted to prove Greg van Avermaet can't pull off the same tricks as he did in Roubaix last year.  :D

https://youtu.be/1zftjhsTHjw

Sagan still ahead on this!  :cool
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Echoes on April 02, 2017, 18:02
Tremendous scene here. A race that will certainly go down in the history as one of the greatest races of all time. I have seen some amazing achievement in 28 years of watching cycling but this is unbelievable. Say that in his prime I thought that Phil was the man for the short explosive efforts. I'm glad to say he proved me wrong. Of course he did that twice in the Omloop when racing for Madiot but that was with a somewhat depleted field. This is an incredible achievement. I'm speechless. As much as I like Van Avermaet in the end I just hoped that Phil could finish it off while it was close. Hope you've all enjoyed it folks !!! (others than AG because I don't doubt she did.  :lol) Over 80km in breakaway and 50+ solo. I don't know if Cancellara ever did that, not even on Paris-Roubaix where it's more doable.


By the way, something for Flo, Rosa did not invent dismounting on the finish line as victory celebration it was Filippo Simeoni back at the Tour of Spain in the nineties and it often happens in cyclocross. Styby did it when he won Diegem 2008.  ;)


(at 38.24)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PK3AtiPA8w
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Yellow Peril on April 02, 2017, 21:15
That was an outstanding edition of RVV. What a ride by Gilbert! He is certainly the renaissance man of the year. Some bizarrre incidents but that didn't detract from his victory. I have to say I always had him down as an Ardennes man. How wrong was I???

(https://coresites-cdn.factorymedia.com/rcuk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Philippe-Gilbert-Belgian-champion-climb-out-of-saddle-QuickStep-Floors-2017-pic-BrakeThrough-Media.jpg)
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: hiero on April 03, 2017, 01:00
Most boring RvV I have watched :P He was just too strong!

What weight oil do you run in your veins? 90 weight gear oil?

I came on tho, to make an observation. I did not realize it when I was watching it happen - but Boonen and Gilbert are both Quick-Step. Guess who was right behind Gilbert when he made the split on the Oude Kwaremont?? Boonen, and I guess Trentin. I'm thinking that they at least in part, made a conscious decision to let him go. Same team. Works for Boonen, also - he sits in with the other strong men in case that comes back together. It didn't work out quite that way - but that's why they went with PG off the front so early. Quick-Step covered their bets right there. PG made a massive, historic, and beautiful effort - and I'm thinking he owes a large chapeau to his team for setting it up, including Boonen. Boonen set it all up on the Muur, too. Wow. What a race. And what teamwork! And what FATE! This was like all the old gods decided to come back to action today and meddle with Fate. You couldn't write a movie script this good.
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 03, 2017, 02:07
What weight oil do you run in your veins? 90 weight gear oil?

I came on tho, to make an observation. I did not realize it when I was watching it happen - but Boonen and Gilbert are both Quick-Step. Guess who was right behind Gilbert when he made the split on the Oude Kwaremont?? Boonen, and I guess Trentin. I'm thinking that they at least in part, made a conscious decision to let him go. Same team. Works for Boonen, also - he sits in with the other strong men in case that comes back together. It didn't work out quite that way - but that's why they went with PG off the front so early. Quick-Step covered their bets right there. PG made a massive, historic, and beautiful effort - and I'm thinking he owes a large chapeau to his team for setting it up, including Boonen. Boonen set it all up on the Muur, too. Wow. What a race. And what teamwork! And what FATE! This was like all the old gods decided to come back to action today and meddle with Fate. You couldn't write a movie script this good.

in the interview after Phil said he had said to Boonen that he would ride for him.   that he would go on the Kwaremont and Boonen should stay in his wheel. 

And that is what happened - except Boonen had a mechanical, and when they got to the top Gilbert looked around and was by himself.   He radio'd to his team saying 'what do I do now' about 10 times but no answer .... so he just rode.  He said he was relying on team behind to make the groups so that if he didnt make it, they would

Quickstep were actually very good.  Terpstra and Trentin then were in the front group and in a good position.  After Sagan fell, Terpstra and GVA went - and Trentin was in G3 .... so QS had all groups covered and werent working.


I had a heart attack when Terpstra gave GVA and Van Baarle a couple of turns though  :lol
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 03, 2017, 02:09
WHAT A RACE !!!!


55km solo to win Flanders - I am just gobsmacked.



He truly is a remarkable bike rider. 

(http://www.steephill.tv/2017/tour-of-flanders/171212_640921257.jpg)
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: hiero on April 03, 2017, 02:26
. . .

Quickstep were actually very good.  . . .

Yes they were! Quite amazingly good on the day. Sometimes the cards fall your way, sometimes they don't. On this day, QuickStep played their cards very well - they covered Fate, realizing she could make things fall in different ways. As she did, and Gilbert took a beautiful victory - one for the ages.
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Echoes on April 03, 2017, 09:28
That was an outstanding edition of RVV. What a ride by Gilbert! He is certainly the renaissance man of the year. Some bizarrre incidents but that didn't detract from his victory. I have to say I always had him down as an Ardennes man. How wrong was I???

(https://coresites-cdn.factorymedia.com/rcuk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Philippe-Gilbert-Belgian-champion-climb-out-of-saddle-QuickStep-Floors-2017-pic-BrakeThrough-Media.jpg)

He's always had a shot at this one. He won the Omloop twice in his Madiot years. Flanders is winnable for Ardennes rider. Roubaix is much harder to.  ;)
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 03, 2017, 09:54
cmon Echoes - anything Fabian can do, Phil can do better   :lol



He did say after hte race that one of his major goals has always been - and is still - to win all 5 monuments.


He is going to decide over the next day or so if he will ride Roubaix.    I am assuming htat even if he does, it will be in support of Boonen, but a bit of experience in the race would be helpful if he is to make a proper attempt at it.

Problem is - it may compromise his attempt at Liege.

He did say last week after de Panne though, that he fully believed it was possible to ride (and compete) every Sunday until Liege .... so he had Roubaix in mind even then
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: LukasCPH on April 03, 2017, 10:30
He is going to decide over the next day or so if he will ride Roubaix.    I am assuming htat even if he does, it will be in support of Boonen, but a bit of experience in the race would be helpful if he is to make a proper attempt at it.
If he wants to make a proper attempt at Roubaix, not for a 5th place, but to win, he absolutely needs experience in the race. Several years of it.
Nobody has won P-R in recent years without having placed in the top-10 before.

I think he should go for it on Sunday, support Boonen and learn the ropes. Then he can try for himself in 2017 or 2018.
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on April 03, 2017, 10:39
If he wants to make a proper attempt at Roubaix, not for a 5th place, but to win, he absolutely needs experience in the race. Several years of it.
Nobody has won P-R in recent years without having placed in the top-10 before.

I think he should go for it on Sunday, support Boonen and learn the ropes. Then he can try for himself in 2017 or 2018.

aye the neo that he is, they will ride for Boonen but Phil is not some neo talking about being a classics specialist

Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 03, 2017, 10:45
yeah but this is Quickstep  - they will find a way to stuff it up for tommeke  :fp



and I dont know that htey will let Phil ride in prep for next year etc if it compromises his chances at liege.    Mind - they also have Alaphilippe for Ardennes so maybe they will be ok with it
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: just some guy on April 03, 2017, 10:47
yeah but this is Quickstep  - they will find a way to stuff it up for tommeke  :fp



and I dont know that htey will let Phil ride in prep for next year etc if it compromises his chances at liege.    Mind - they also have Alaphilippe for Ardennes so maybe they will be ok with it

if there is a quickstep team for 2018 of course

But Phil winning Roubiax with only MSR to go for the monuments would be huge
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Servais Knavendish on April 03, 2017, 10:55
cmon Echoes - anything Fabian can do, Phil can do better   :lol

I am assuming that even if he does, it will be in support of Boonen...

As per most quotes above - what an astonishing race, an incredible performance, and amazing QS teamwork - fantastic to see the Tomeke / PG embrace half way through the press interviews!

Now I wonder / hope if it is really possible to dream that we could see a true fairytale next week with PG repaying the support, and Tomeke bowing out with a cobble... he looked strong yesterday, certainly stronger than his gearing mech; here's hoping!

 :cool
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Echoes on April 03, 2017, 14:26
cmon Echoes - anything Fabian can do, Phil can do better   :lol


He did say after hte race that one of his major goals has always been - and is still - to win all 5 monuments.


He is going to decide over the next day or so if he will ride Roubaix.    I am assuming htat even if he does, it will be in support of Boonen, but a bit of experience in the race would be helpful if he is to make a proper attempt at it.

Problem is - it may compromise his attempt at Liege.

He did say last week after de Panne though, that he fully believed it was possible to ride (and compete) every Sunday until Liege .... so he had Roubaix in mind even then

Lol @ first sentence.

Yes it's a dream that he's had since the youth categories. I would also refer the the E3 thread where I referred to it in an article of the Laatste Nieuws. Boonen pointed to the fact that the new styled Tour of Flanders was taylor-made for Phil. He proved right.  :D

However he's raced Paris-Roubaix only once. That was in 2007. If my memory does not leave me he was 54th. The day after he read the Dernière Heure and in an interview he said he was broken down and that "it is harder than the Tour of France". You bet I remember these words. It was still in his Madiot years. Probably he's another rider now and I would love to see Phil race it again if possible next Sunday but winning it will be hard. He's a bit lightweight for Paris-Roubaix. He's had a shot at Milan-Sanremo too. If only Pozzato did not drag Goss back in 2011! but now it's going to be harder and harder for that one too. He would need a bit of luck, I think.

Even if he's a local hero, I'm not sure another Liège win interests him now
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: hiero on April 04, 2017, 03:54
So Sagan has his analysis vid of the crash now
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sagan-has-final-word-on-tour-of-flanders-crash/

Looking at this vid, I think the cause is quite clear. The slo-mo analysis is perfect here.
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 04, 2017, 06:13
yep - just touched that jacket which put him off a bit and onto the feet of the barrier.

Still - that is rider error.


He chose to ride that close to the barrier.  Its not like he was in a big bunch and forced onto the barriers ... he was riding there by choice to save energy.


And - this just shows how tired he was.  Sagan's skills are such that he would normally not be affected by that kind of thing.  He would normally be able to stay up ...
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: AG on April 04, 2017, 06:17
Lol @ first sentence.

Yes it's a dream that he's had since the youth categories. I would also refer the the E3 thread where I referred to it in an article of the Laatste Nieuws. Boonen pointed to the fact that the new styled Tour of Flanders was taylor-made for Phil. He proved right.  :D

However he's raced Paris-Roubaix only once. That was in 2007. If my memory does not leave me he was 54th. The day after he read the Dernière Heure and in an interview he said he was broken down and that "it is harder than the Tour of France". You bet I remember these words. It was still in his Madiot years. Probably he's another rider now and I would love to see Phil race it again if possible next Sunday but winning it will be hard. He's a bit lightweight for Paris-Roubaix. He's had a shot at Milan-Sanremo too. If only Pozzato did not drag Goss back in 2011! but now it's going to be harder and harder for that one too. He would need a bit of luck, I think.

Even if he's a local hero, I'm not sure another Liège win interests him now

He also said at one point that he would never ride the Tour de France ... (after doing the Dauphine)    ;)

Liege - no way.   This is the race he dreams about.  Liege will ALWAYS have that special place for him.


But - he really thinks that he can do it all.  Confidence is definitely something he does not lack  :lol   
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on April 04, 2017, 08:14
So Sagan has his analysis vid of the crash now
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sagan-has-final-word-on-tour-of-flanders-crash/

Looking at this vid, I think the cause is quite clear. The slo-mo analysis is perfect here.

Looking at that clip it appears to me like the barrier legs that Sagan ends up hitting are a bit further out than the others they've ridden past which didn't help after he got his bars caught on the jacket.
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: Echoes on April 04, 2017, 09:29
He made a big mistake if only because he chose the wrong side of the road. Gilbert climbed it on the other side and said on the Sporza TV set that it was safer and faster. They showed a comparison of the two rides on the Kwaremont. He can only blame himself and should apologise to Greg and Ollie ...
Title: Re: De Ronde van Vlaanderen
Post by: hiero on April 05, 2017, 02:56
yep - just touched that jacket which put him off a bit and onto the feet of the barrier.

Still - that is rider error.


He chose to ride that close to the barrier.  Its not like he was in a big bunch and forced onto the barriers ... he was riding there by choice to save energy.


And - this just shows how tired he was.  Sagan's skills are such that he would normally not be affected by that kind of thing.  He would normally be able to stay up ...

I will agree that late race fatigue was making an impression - i.e. Sagan was not at his freshest.

However, barrier feet or no barrier feet, left side or right side - the jacket set up the accident - without question. It jerked his handlebars to the left - setting up the dive to the right - and if the jacket pulled the front wheel on to a barrier leg - it only increased the effectiveness of the jacket. Dynamics of steering - the jacket clearly sent Sagan to the ground.

If he had been fresh at kilometer 20, maybe he could have managed - but I think not. The effort of the moment was too high. The jacket jerked the left side handlebar backwards - forcing the right lean angle - and boom - down.

So, is that Sagan's fault for not accounting enough for fan actions? Hmmmmm. Have to think about that.
Could something like this be prevented by better fan control? Hmmmm. Have to think about that.
Is it arguable that the jacket did not cause the accident? Ah, no. I do NOT have to think about THAT!

Oh, and BTW, it is only because we are talking Sagan that I am even considering this mishap to be a recoverable incident. Any other rider? Some in the pro peloton might be able to recover in perfect star-alignment sort of conditions. But only Sagan would we EXPECT to recover!

But, this was Fate. Like I said, the old gods . . .interfering . . .(they were always known for interfering) . . .the fates . . .play games with men.

Fate.


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