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Title: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 08, 2017, 09:55
Colorado Classic

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The inaugural Colorado Classic (August 10-13, 2017) is a men and women’s pro bicycle race, sanctioned by Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) and designated as a 2.HC race, which is the highest category outside of World Tour races.

The Colorado Classic race routes will test the field and create new and unique experiences for spectators over the race’s four stages. Courses start and finish from the same location — as opposed to point-to-point races — and stages 1, 2 and 4 are “circuits” featuring multiple laps on challenging courses. Pro cyclists in the 4-stage race will cover 313 miles (503.5km) and endure more than 20,000 feet of intense, high-altitude climbing.

Source (https://www.veloramacolorado.com/colorado-classic/routes/)


Stage 1  »  Colorado Springs Circuit  (150.4km)

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Don't be fooled by the scale on the profile. Viviani won on this circuit when it was raced in the US Pro back in 2014

Stage 2  »  Breckenridge Circuit   (103km)

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In all likelihood the sole GC day. The finish was a favourite of the US Pro where they used it several times, but not as a circuit. Winners included Dennis, Didier and Frank.

Stage 3  »  Denver  ›  Denver   (130km)

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Stage 4  »  Denver Circuit   (120.1km)

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Official Website (https://www.veloramacolorado.com/colorado-classic/)
Official Twitter (https://twitter.com/CoClassicPro/with_replies)
Startlist (http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_of_Colorado_2017_Startlist)
#coloradoclassic (https://twitter.com/hashtag/coloradoclassic?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash)

No Tour Tracker, but it is on NBC and Eurosport. Late finishes unfortunately.
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 08, 2017, 10:12
https://www.veloramacolorado.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/CC-Rosters-Mens.pdf

Competing teams:

BMC (Bookwalter and Dillier)
Cannondale - Drapac (Uran and Howes)
Trek - Segafredo (Reijnen and Stetina)
UAE Team Emirates (Conti)

Caja Rural (Molina)
Israel Cycling Academy (Boivin and Raim)
Nippo - Vini Fantini (Canola)
Novo Nordisk
UnitedHealthCare (McCabe)

Axeon Hagens Berman (Rice and Narvaez)
Elevate - KHS (Piccoli and Rodriguez)
Holowesko Citadel (Carpenter and Eisenhart)
Jelly Belly (Tvetcov and Shelden)
Rally (Huffman, Joyce and Britton)
Silber (Cowan and Roth)

Team Rwanda

Six man teams. :cool
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 08, 2017, 10:29
https://twitter.com/alex_howes/status/894760485215588353

A possibility of rain/thunderstorms on Thursday and Friday.
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 10, 2017, 05:30
https://twitter.com/One2Go_Results/status/895447700086370305
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 10, 2017, 20:09
https://twitter.com/janelholcomb/status/895723308947308546
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 10, 2017, 20:52
https://twitter.com/Ride_Argyle/status/895732812762034179

Huffman (smart - picking up bonuses), Molina, Morton, Berlato and Schmalz. Nsengimana chasing.
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 10, 2017, 21:12
https://twitter.com/CoClassicPro/status/895738663182540801

"Race radio reports Stage 1 could be forced to a halt if storm hits."
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 11, 2017, 07:55
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/895895062562975744



Huffman (smart - picking up bonuses)

Not that smart as he got dropped. Molina was the only one from the break to make that large front group.

Nsengimana was OTL after chasing the break for too long on his own.

Other people who lost time included Dillier, Phinney, Rodriguez, Boivin, Roth and Daniel.
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 11, 2017, 20:56
https://twitter.com/RebeccaReza/status/896095083409231872
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 12, 2017, 05:20
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/896143381386088448

I obviously didn't see it, but it sounds like it might be worthwhile watching a replay.



Big gaps.
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 12, 2017, 05:30
https://twitter.com/CoClassicPro/status/896107972023074816

https://twitter.com/CoClassicPro/status/896127419924398080

Bubble machines > Smoke flares
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 12, 2017, 18:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BppFB5b91fw
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 13, 2017, 07:24
https://twitter.com/VelonCC/status/896520808327073792

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-of-colorado-2017/stage-3/results/

Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: LukasCPH on August 13, 2017, 11:16
A *ro stage win in a 2.HC race! :win
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 14, 2017, 11:26
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHK1tJwVwAAmDAZ.jpg)

https://twitter.com/Alpe__dHuez/status/896840576301182977

I thought it was going to be a relegation when I saw it live and it probably should have been, but we've seen worse get no punishment and vice versa.



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Bearing in mind that I only saw yesterday's stage, it turned out to be a better race than I and others expected from the parcour.

I just took a look at the Colorado Classic course. Gag me. Typical American stage race design from 1970. Boring. Really boring. Maybe all the WT teams should regard this like the Euro post GT crits - as a necessary PR thing - but not real important for anything else.

Has your opinion changed Hiero?

There were some coverage issues I understand with the bad weather and planes not flying etc, but that happened back in the days of the US Pro too. I think it just comes with the territory.
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 14, 2017, 11:41
http://gazette.com/article/1609050?TC_SC_REF

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Organizers received positive feedback from a change to the racing format, as the point-to-point routes used in the Pro Challenge mostly were replaced by circuits such as the one ridden Thursday in Colorado Springs. The new structure is geared toward fans and meant to make the sport more appealing and accessible.

As for the future, organizers were cautiously optimistic. When asked if he could say with certainty that the event would be back next year, Gart’s response was far from a guarantee.

“Absolutely our plan is to come back next year,” he said. “We want to tweak things and learn from our successes and learn from our failures and come back stronger and better.

“Like every first-year event it certainly wasn’t perfect, but overall we were absolutely thrilled.”

Opinions on the race's Facebook page are very split. It either gets a 5-star or a 1-star rating.

5 :onfire1

"Had an absolute blast! We drove all the way from Tulsa to watch our first pro race, and we were not disappointed. Beautiful routes, everyone we met that was working the event was super nice and the police were nothing but professional. Rode all the routes and raced on Saturday in Denver. Sad it's over, but we'll certainly be back next year! Can't wait!"

1 :onfire1

"This is the most poorly planned and poorly coordinated event I have ever seen. This should not be done on a business day so some cyclists can enjoy themselves while they inconvenience everyone else. Use the weekends for that bullsh*t."
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: LukasCPH on August 14, 2017, 13:10
1 :onfire1

"This is the most poorly planned and poorly coordinated event I have ever seen. This should not be done on a business day so some cyclists can enjoy themselves while they inconvenience everyone else. Use the weekends for that bullsh*t."
Some people ... :fp

The organisation & coordination may have been less than stellar, I don't know that.
But the cheek to assume that this was a 'fun race' where "some cyclists enjoy themselves & inconvenience everyone else", without bothering to do the least bit of research about what sort of race this was ... :fp
Bloody idiots. But they'll always be there, and they'll always complain. flip them.
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: LukasCPH on August 14, 2017, 13:12
I thought it was going to be a relegation when I saw it live and it probably should have been, but we've seen worse get no punishment and vice versa.
Watching that short clip, it looks to me as if Räim keeps his line (or, if he deviates, he still leaves enough of a gap for Canola to come around). It's the barriers that weave in and out and don't keep a straight line to the finish. Canola (understandably) complains when one such weave into the road shuts him down, but that's not Räim's fault.
DSQ the barriers! :D
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: search on August 14, 2017, 15:06
well, that 1 star rating sounds like one who was written by someone who wasn't interested in the race anyway but just gave a rating because he felt disturbed by it in his daily routine?!
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: LukasCPH on August 14, 2017, 15:43
well, that 1 star rating sounds like one who was written by someone who wasn't interested in the race anyway but just gave a rating because he felt disturbed by it in his daily routine?!
"Things were not as they always are because of this bike race[1], so now I'm peeed!"
:lol
 1. replace with marathon/demonstration/country fair/train accident/hurricane/snowstorm as appropriate
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 14, 2017, 21:00
well, that 1 star rating sounds like one who was written by someone who wasn't interested in the race anyway

I think the author was Hiero. :P
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: hiero on August 15, 2017, 02:56
. . .

Has your opinion changed Hiero?

There were some coverage issues I understand with the bad weather and planes not flying etc, but that happened back in the days of the US Pro too. I think it just comes with the territory.

Mmmmm, maybe. My opinion-meter has nudged off the -40 where it pegged on that day. We might be in the thaw range today. ;)

Edit (sometime later): Velonews just popped this article up, regarding the CC course format. It is a good review - they cover the bases well - which I don't recall seeing in other media reportage. They specifically mention that the GT and Classics race formats were designed when print coverage was king. Which as I have stated, makes for a lot of race where essentially nothing happens, and many have complained about how boring that is. Milan-San Remo, anyone?

So maybe the course design was better thought out than just a revamp of typical American stage race design of 1975. Which I consider REALLY boring. My jury is still out.
http://www.velonews.com/2017/08/news/commentary-colorado-classic-is-the-future-of-bike-racing_446110 (http://www.velonews.com/2017/08/news/commentary-colorado-classic-is-the-future-of-bike-racing_446110)
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 16, 2017, 10:00
So maybe the course design was better thought out than just a revamp of typical American stage race design of 1975. Which I consider REALLY boring.

For those of us who weren't about in 1975 can you give us a snap shot of what that race design would have been like.

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Colorado Classic is the Future of Bike Racing (http://www.velonews.com/2017/08/news/commentary-colorado-classic-is-the-future-of-bike-racing_446110)

I don't know about the future, but it does seem to be part of a ongoing trend to shake up some aspects of racing, the costs of putting on a race, revenue streams etc.

The most extreme example of this would be the Hammer Series, but there are milder things going on too like hub and spoke design (CC and Alberta), charging spectators (Nokere Koerse), Velon footage/data (I couldn't care less about this), shorter stages and smaller teams.

Some of it's good, some of it's not so good, but there's no harm trying new stuff out and cherry picking the things that work.
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: hiero on August 16, 2017, 16:12
For those of us who weren't about in 1975 can you give us a snap shot of what that race design would have been like.
 
I don't know about the future, but it does seem to be part of a ongoing trend to shake up some aspects of racing, the costs of putting on a race, revenue streams etc.

The most extreme example of this would be the Hammer Series, but there are milder things going on too like hub and spoke design (CC and Alberta), charging spectators (Nokere Koerse), Velon footage/data (I couldn't care less about this), shorter stages and smaller teams.

Some of it's good, some of it's not so good, but there's no harm trying new stuff out and cherry picking the things that work.
Trying things - seeing what works - concur - good idea.

1975 - well - thereabouts anyway - given I was paying a lot more attention in the early 80's. Mountaintop finishes were rare - I do not recall any at all. Mountain stages typically had the mountains in the middle which left so much time for recovery that things frequently came all back together.

The Bisbee Classic and the original Colorado classic (or Red Zinger, later Coors) had a circuit race stage with a very steep "wall" section multiple times. It really wasn't that exciting to watch. Selections were made early and usually stuck. No question it was massively hard. Teams had little or no impact on such stages - not that the US had much in the way of teams anyway. Of course, back then, even the Euros didn't have team action like we see today, I think. (could be wrong, as I recall). But the Euros had more team strategy and tactics than the US guys did.

So the result was either a bunch sprint, or a very small breakaway. Who won wasn't always predictable - the fields were all amateur - and there weren't that many big names like we see today. But in general, they were more predictable and had less action than Euro racing.

The "shorter" stages, by themselves, aren't new. All the US races back then had shorter stages than the Euros. I have to wonder if what makes the shorter stages good today is dropping them in the middle of a bunch of other stages. AND adding a course design where there is a good opportunity for a decisive attack or a decisive selection that is not right at the end.

If you can find the course design for the first couple of years of the Tour of California, if I recall, it was along the same lines as what I'm talking about. I think after a year or two they started adding stages like Big Bear Lake.

Video broadcast makes a lot of difference as well. There was no tv coverage of anything as small as the CC back then. Not until the late 80's, and even then it was very sporadic and local. Back then it was either watch from the roadside - so a road race you could watch the guys go by like twice - if you drove real fast to get to your 2nd observation point! Circuit races gave you a few more opportunities, but you still couldn't really see what was going on tactically. I think thats why crits were more popular - you could see your man - or your team - every lap.

Today I find crits rather tedious. The winner is going to come out of the first 20 guys. Not so much variety. In counterpoint - look at a GT stage with some ending circuits. You'll have trains fighting for position - maybe moving to the front too early for the strength they have - a tactical error. And when it comes down to a sprint, there are a few known names to cheer for. Sometimes a stranger will show his face (Johann WHO?), but typically the big names are up there duking it out, which makes the watching more fun. It's just like football, in that you don't go tossing a coin for which team to cheer for, eh? We like to have our heroes. Joe what-his-name ("who did you say that was?") doesn't quite fit that bill. Although that can change if you watch Joe put in a massive, heroic effort. Then you want to cheer for Joe ("JOE! JOE!").

Does that help any?
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: Leadbelly on August 17, 2017, 18:23
Here's an article for you Hiero if you haven't seen it already.

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/897843582962352128
Title: Re: [2.HC] Colorado Classic
Post by: hiero on August 19, 2017, 17:18
Here's an article for you Hiero if you haven't seen it already.

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/897843582962352128

Haven't seen it yet - will go read it tho.