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Title: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on June 09, 2018, 10:01
The 'Transfers and Rumors' thread very much is full of news from other sources. This is a more speculative version of the same thread, asking "who should go where?"

...or as it's been said in previous years' threads, "predict the transfer before the rumour".

So we don't want to hear about GVA to Bahrain please. ;)

I'll say we got a couple right last year, even if I'm sure the Kittel one had already been rumoured beforehand.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 09, 2018, 16:06
Mezgec #mitchelton --> #bora
Good leadout man but if Ewan is leaving anyway ...

Cavagna #quickstep --> #ag2r
Massively strong rouleur, underused at an overtalented team

Elissonde #sky --> #ag2r
Bardet needs a better climbing dom with Sky insider knowledge

Gougeard #ag2r --> #efd
Naesen rules at AG2R while EF's Classics team is ageing; guy needs to stop wasting his talents on attacks and become more of a leader

Frank #ag2r --> #trek
Hasn't done much good with Lavenu. Bit of a loner, so suits this team.

Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: t-72 on June 09, 2018, 18:08
OK, I predict that following the drama following the verdict and the appeal and god knows what comes out of Chris Froome's Salbutamol case, he will have a fallout with the management in his current team and the eventual outcome will be (6 months, 1 year  or maybe even 2-3 years ahead):

#sky Chris Froome -----> #didata

Like Cavendish, he'll bring some sponsors of his own and he'll build 40-50% of the team around himself.

EDIT: I first hinted at this in the Chris Froome thread on the darkside forum a few days back, but I think it is so wilidly speculative it belongs here  :D
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 09, 2018, 18:20
#sky Chris Froome -----> #didata

And what a brave new world that would be. Almost a different pro cycling. :D
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on June 09, 2018, 20:00
#sky Chris Froome -----> #didata
I'd put the chance of this happening at maybe 0.01%.
But if it did ... oh boy.

Back in the #mtn2013 days in 2013, their DS Jens Zemke (now with #bora) told me that while they would love to sign Froome, there was just no way in hell they could afford him.

Even with Dimension Data on board now and some 'personal sponsors' brought on by Froome, I still don't see it happening.
Not so much because it would fly in the face of the team's vision to develop African cycling - Froome is the first African GT winner, after all! But Doug Ryder doesn't strike me as the guy who would put absolutely his entire team behind one rider in that way.

Then again, I thought much the same before they signed Cav, so what do I know. :D
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: pastronef on June 09, 2018, 20:03

Elissonde #sky --> #ag2r
Bardet needs a better climbing dom with Sky insider knowledge


Dave please, splash the cash and keep him ;)
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: pastronef on June 09, 2018, 20:05
the spanish guy says Thomas to Trek is a badly kept secret.
I think it´s just a rumor for now

https://www.twitter.com/alexrodrigo29/status/1005509999513276422

I´d love that anyway
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: t-72 on June 09, 2018, 20:13
I'd put the chance of this happening at maybe 0.01%.
But if it did ... oh boy.

Back in the #mtn2013 days in 2013, their DS Jens Zemke (now with #bora) told me that while they would love to sign Froome, there was just no way in hell they could afford him.

Even with Dimension Data on board now and some 'personal sponsors' brought on by Froome, I still don't see it happening.
Not so much because it would fly in the face of the team's vision to develop African cycling - Froome is the first African GT winner, after all! But Doug Ryder doesn't strike me as the guy who would put absolutely his entire team behind one rider in that way.

Then again, I thought much the same before they signed Cav, so what do I know. :D

WAIT WAIT WAIT! There is precedence, and it is just not about Cavendish - you just haven't thought about it: A mid size European squad previously known as Netapp-Endura was transmogrigified into the #bora team that we know today. If you can sign riders at the Sagan level, they bring so much market value with them, the economy seems to sort itself out anyway. Froome is at the Sagan level, but as a sponsor object not equally valuable for obvious reasons.

Basically what needs to happen for Froome to sign anywhere else is for Froome to decide that he wants to ride for a different team , and then his contractual commitments to Sky to be fulfilled. (I assume none of us know the terms). He can make  any grand tour he want to at this point (except maybe the 2017 Vuelta ;) ) and he can also make any cycling team he wants.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on June 09, 2018, 20:16
...or as it's been said in previous years' threads, "predict the transfer before the rumour"

the spanish guy says Thomas to Trek is a badly kept secret.
I think it´s just a rumor for now

https://www.twitter.com/alexrodrigo29/status/1005509999513276422

Pastryyyyyy! :angry :spank :P
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on June 09, 2018, 20:31
Navardauskas --------> #academy

Bahrain are on a big recruitment drive, so there'll have to be some casualties. Ramunas will complete the Baltic Connection for the Bike Geeeeeeeeeks. It's either him or Baggy.

Jorgenson ---------> #axeon

At Jelly Belly at the moment, but been riding entirely so far this year with the US U23s in Europe. Has impressed with some good performances in his first year out of juniors.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 09, 2018, 20:38
Mertz #lotto --> #wanty

A good lad but hasn't done much beyond domestique duties in his two seasons with Sergeant. Maybe just a Walloon quota thing. :P

Wouters #lotto --> #crelan

Solid at U23 but not much to show for his two seasons at Lotto either. When you think about what Benoot or Lambrecht did in their first showings ...

James Shaw #lotto might get to hang on though.

Martin #katusha --> #bora

A last hurrah for a fading legend? He can't have had happy times at KAT though.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 09, 2018, 21:11
the spanish guy says Thomas to Trek is a badly kept secret.
I think it´s just a rumor for now

https://www.twitter.com/alexrodrigo29/status/1005509999513276422

I´d love that anyway

When I saw the annual/biennial article on cyclingnews about Thomas having offers from other teams my first reaction was that it'll follow its usual path of announcing a contract extension with Sky on one of the Tour rest day and I still think that will happen. He should have left 5 or 6 years ago if he was going to go, at 32 years old I think it would take a massive offer to move him away from Sky now.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on June 11, 2018, 07:20
Here's one from me:
Alexander Krieger #leopard --> #wallonie or #wanty
Krieger has found a nice niche for himself at #leopard - but he's shown his versatility and strength in several .1 and .HC races now, with 5th in hilly Luxembourg and 9th in hilly-but-still-finishing-in-a-sprint Köln the latest results.
It's unusual these days for a rider to turn pro only at 27, but I can see some teams taking a punt on him.

After several years with a *lu team (and having grown up in Baden-Württemberg), his French ought to be decent enough for it not to be a barrier if he's offered a contract by #wallonie. Alternatively, there's #wanty who have had the odd German (in no small part because of bike sponsor Cube).
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: bikeracer33 on June 14, 2018, 05:34
Mezgec #mitchelton --> #bora
Good leadout man but if Ewan is leaving anyway ...


or join his compats at #bahrain
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on June 14, 2018, 14:21
Well if Ewan goes to Lotto, how about someone going the other way...

Greipel -------> #mitchelton

If Ewan left they'd only have Trentin and Edmondson (?) for sprints. I'm not aware of any good young Aussie sprinters coming through, so why not use Andre as a stop gap for a couple of years.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/wj8ewk.png)
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 14, 2018, 21:25
Not exactly connecting the dots but give recent performances is

Stephen Williams  #seg  ----->  #sky

A completely unrealistic transfer?
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: search on June 14, 2018, 21:40
#manzana Fabio Duarte --> #movistar Movistar

Looking at their transfer policy (Betancur, Valls, Sepulveda...) Fabio's performance so far this season must be poor enough to attract Movistar's interest :D
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 15, 2018, 09:12
Not exactly connecting the dots but give recent performances is

Stephen Williams  #seg  ----->  #sky

A completely unrealistic transfer?

I think there will be a lot of interest in Williams and he is ready to step up now at 22, but I don't see #sky signing him with all the talent it hired in 2017. Elsewhere the future of #bmc might also play a role in how many doors are open to him.

As well as his team, #seg is also his agent, so it will look to place him wherever it has firm connections. So far this has been in teams with a strong *be and *nl management presence: #quickstep #katusha #roompot #jumbo. I could also see a path to #mitchelton depending on what the Yateses do.

As an aside, SEG's placement rate so far is pretty low in comparison to a similar team like #axeon. Some of the team's alumni (e.g. Schultz, Bokeloh) look like they went off and got their own deals elsewhere. And although Jakobsen has been an instant hit, Lefevere seems to be talking up his future relationship with Merckx these days.

SEG will also be looking to shift Jan Maas off the books this year. A talented lad and a shoo-in for #sunweb or Jumbo if they have space on their rosters.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 15, 2018, 11:38
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bouhanni-its-complicated-at-cofidis/

Bouhanni #cofidis --> ANYWHERE!  :o
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: pastronef on June 15, 2018, 19:33
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bouhanni-its-complicated-at-cofidis/

Bouhanni #cofidis --> ANYWHERE!  :o

maybe they strike a deal: Bouhanni cancels his 2019 deal with Cofidis and Cofidis re-ups with Laporte for 2019 (his contract ends this year)

;)
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 20, 2018, 13:03
maybe they strike a deal: Bouhanni cancels his 2019 deal with Cofidis and Cofidis re-ups with Laporte for 2019 (his contract ends this year)

;)

I think this is indeed what will happen eventually. Bouhanni is never going to want to stay unless he can't get a deal anywhere else, while there will be nobody else at #cofidis to take the #1 sprinter role from Laporte.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 20, 2018, 13:21
This thread needs some good guesses in the event of a #bmc meltdown. Even if Ochowicz hangs on, some riders will inevitably leave.

#katusha should buy up a few riders if it has the money because it badly needs experienced riders. That team is in a woeful state after putting up for Kittel and, so far at least, getting very little in return.

Caruso or De Marchi could be a good fit, because Zakarin appears to lack climbing support. #trek might fancy them too. Teuns has wilted in 2018 and he would be a good buy for any WT team, such as #jumbo or #sunweb, which might need something more in the Ardennes Classics and short stage races.

Dennis ... well he might expect absolute leadership. Not #ef again but perhaps #didata. Personally I still don't see him as a GT contender and he doesn't see himself as that either, he might fit in at #sky or #bahrain or even #uae, which lacks a decent TTer.

Van Avermaet I just don't know. #sky might have the money for a standout cobbled Classics man. It still doesn't have one yet until Moscon matures, Kwiatkowski decides to focus on them or Thomas (assuming he is re-signed) comes to understand his proper place again. GVA and the Sky culture though ... hmm, does not compute, but then again if GVA were allowed to do things his way ...
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 20, 2018, 14:34
[quote author=L'arri link=topic=9060.msg2241513#msg2241513 date=1529497297

Van Avermaet I just don't know. #sky might have the money for a standout cobbled Classics man. It still doesn't have one yet until Moscon matures, Kwiatkowski decides to focus on them or Thomas (assuming he is re-signed) comes to understand his proper place again. GVA and the Sky culture though ... hmm, does not compute, but then again if GVA were allowed to do things his way ...
[/quote]

My guess for GVA would be one of the Lottos.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on June 20, 2018, 20:40
This thread needs some good guesses in the event of a #bmc meltdown. Even if Ochowicz hangs on, some riders will inevitably leave.

Unsurprisingly there are a lot of rumours flying around already for these guys.

Dennis is 90% certain of going to #bahrain according to CN.

GVA has been heavily linked to #bahrain and #lotto.

Caruso. Can't remember exactly, but I think #ag2r and one of the Gulf teams have been mentioned.

I will have a proper guess though and say that I can see Jempy at AG2R if it goes tits up at BMC.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: pastronef on June 21, 2018, 11:08
no place for Caleb Ewan in the Mitchelton team for the TDF
I guess he already signed elsewhere for 2019 (maybe Lotto-Soudal as the rumors said)
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: AG on June 21, 2018, 12:31
yeah just came here to say exactly that ... I am guessing he has already signed somewhere else
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 21, 2018, 21:10
A few more suggestions for the grand liquidation of  #bmc

Gerrans ---------> Retirement
TJVG ------------->  #efd
Roche ------------>  #uae or a French team that he hasn't previously ridden for.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 22, 2018, 11:17
A few more suggestions for the grand liquidation of  #bmc

Gerrans ---------> Retirement
TJVG ------------->  #efd
Roche ------------>  #uae or a French team that he hasn't previously ridden for.

Good picks. I do think Gerrans is headed for the glue factory. He's too pro to 'phone his lines in but it's weird not to see him wheelsucking in the vanguard of races this season.

The fragility of #bmc might represent the right moment for Van Garderen to look for pastures new. At #efd he would be a big fish in a very small pond and nobody else there would clash with his rider profile. Woods and Uran he ain't. What he might struggle with is the diet they all have to follow there because this team is generally way too skinny.

Roche, well, he's like an old-timer road captain sort of guy now. Very pro and very limited but solid for any team that craves the gravitas of a senior figure. I don't seem him willing to step down from WT though. Like with Gerrans, I think he'd see that as beneath him.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: pastronef on June 22, 2018, 20:14
Caleb Ewan has followed Trek-Segafredo on instagram  ;) ; :lol
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 23, 2018, 13:08
TJVG ------------->  #efd

Carlo clearly has the inside track on this one.

https://www.hln.be/de-krant/van-garderen-op-weg-naar-education-first~acb4425e/

HLN also says GVA is to leave #bmc and will announce his new team before the Tour.

https://www.hln.be/sport/koers-kort-20-06-quick-step-viert-in-adriatica-ionica-van-avermaet-verbindt-toekomst-niet-langer-aan-bmc~a7c583d7/
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on June 23, 2018, 16:10
HLN also says GVA is to leave #bmc and will announce his new team before the Tour.
Can he do that?
UCI rules say no contract may be signed before 1 August.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: M Gee on June 24, 2018, 20:33
Fortuneo-Samsic tells us they WON'T be hiring Greipel. Is that trying to drag you in to reading the article based on the headline, or what!

http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-transfert-fortuneo-samsic-reverait-de-s-offrir-a-greipel-75546.html (http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-transfert-fortuneo-samsic-reverait-de-s-offrir-a-greipel-75546.html)
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 25, 2018, 12:25
Fortuneo-Samsic tells us they WON'T be hiring Greipel. Is that trying to drag you in to reading the article based on the headline, or what!

http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-transfert-fortuneo-samsic-reverait-de-s-offrir-a-greipel-75546.html (http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-transfert-fortuneo-samsic-reverait-de-s-offrir-a-greipel-75546.html)

I would be amazed if Greipel were to accept a PCT deal. Way too classy for that.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 25, 2018, 15:37
This as a possibility sprung into my head today at work for some reason.

Guillaume Martin --------->  #groupama

Rumours Pinot might be leaving and Martins contract at #wanty is up at the end of this year I think.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on June 26, 2018, 10:43
Can he do that?
UCI rules say no contract may be signed before 1 August.

Ah sorry, my bad, he will decide before the Tour and let the relevant parties know what his intentions are. We won't know until Aug 1 as you say. :D
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on July 08, 2018, 10:26
Sieberg to Bahrain
The rumour starts here:
Greipel #lotto --> #bahrain
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on August 23, 2018, 11:46
The rumour starts here:
Greipel #lotto --> #bahrain
Yeah, well. This just goes to show that even the closest-knit relationships drift apart sometimes.


But I have other predictions to make:
Nicolai Brøchner #holowesko --> #riwal
He's said to be not entirely happy in the US outfit, and really only went there because they stepped up to ProConti. Now that his old team is doing that as well, I expect him to return.

Michael Carbel #fortuneo --> #riwal
Hasn't exactly had the most successful year with the Bretons, and now they've brought in Greipel. His old DS has signed with the Danish ProConti hopefuls, and there he'd probably be the designated sprinter no matter what.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: search on August 23, 2018, 11:53
#wilier Pippo Pozzato -> #direct Direct Energie

Terpstra still lacks a bit of assistance on the cobbles, and with Wilier exclusively partnering with Direct Energie on from 2019, they may request one or two Italians to be signed at least.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: ciranda on August 23, 2018, 16:47
Yeah, well. This just goes to show that even the closest-knit relationships drift apart sometimes.


But I have other predictions to make:
Nicolai Brøchner #holowesko --> #riwal
He's said to be not entirely happy in the US outfit, and really only went there because they stepped up to ProConti. Now that his old team is doing that as well, I expect him to return.

Michael Carbel #fortuneo --> #riwal
Hasn't exactly had the most successful year with the Bretons, and now they've brought in Greipel. His old DS has signed with the Danish ProConti hopefuls, and there he'd probably be the designated sprinter no matter what.


Maybe it's not unlikely but would be really undeserved with at least fifteen other non-u23s that are way better. Those two are just not very good. Hope Riwal will sign the strong ex-Virtus because Kamp, Guldhammer, Weyhe, Kragh Andersen, Schultz have done way more than enough. Also Quaade, Bak Klaris and a couple more.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on August 23, 2018, 22:45
Hope Riwal will sign the strong ex-Virtus because Kamp, Guldhammer, Weyhe, Kragh Andersen, Schultz have done way more than enough.
The question will be whether any of those will leave Virtu.
After all, Riis has said he wants to go ProConti as well ... :shh
If and when there is a #waoo --> #riwal transfer we'll know that the "Made In Denmark" team isn't happening.

Also Quaade, Bak Klaris and a couple more.
Definitely.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on August 27, 2018, 19:38
With Aqua Blue folding, these two predictions are almost too simple to make:
Lasse Norman Hansen #aquablue --> #riwal
Casper Pedersen #aquablue --> #riwal

LNH may want a WT deal (and does deserve one), but one bird in the hand and all that. Also, Riwal('s predecessor) was where he started his career before moving to Virtu('s predecessor team) and then to Vaughters.
Casper P had two seasons at Riwal before going to Giant-Castelli where he more than earned himself a pro contract.

Both of them might want a bigger team than 'only' a Conti team stepping up - but as a Conti team, Riwal have a reputation for paying well (and on time), keeping their word, and generally being a stable set-up.
That is not at all unimportant, as can be seen from their current team folding almost out of the blue.

And maybe they can even get some of their team mates along? Many of Aqua Blue's riders would be at least 'nice to have' for a new ProConti team.


Also, a DS transfer prediction:
Nicki Sørensen #aquablue --> #virtu
Nicki and Bjarne Riis are very close friends. Nicki even DNFed a Tour of Denmark once in order to be able to attend Bjarne's wedding - while being a rider on Bjarne's team.
If Nicki is presented as DS at any other team, we will know that Riis' ProConti plans have come to naught. If Nicki signs on with Bjarne, that could be a sign that maybe there is some substance in Riis' talk after all.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on August 27, 2018, 20:44
Some suggestions off the top of my head for where some  #aquablue might end up

Warbasse ------->  #rally

Dunbar -------->  #trek

Denifl -------->  #bora

Blythe ------->  #didata
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: rote_laterne on August 27, 2018, 21:03
I doubt Denial will get a WT-contract with him being prone to injuries and not being the youngest talent. I see him on one of the french PT teams or the Austrian CT teams.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on August 28, 2018, 14:18
I doubt Denial will get a WT-contract with him being prone to injuries and not being the youngest talent. I see him on one of the french PT teams or the Austrian CT teams.

Agree. Felbermayr or Tirol, very much in the Zoidl style.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on August 28, 2018, 14:29
Some suggestions off the top of my head for where some  #aquablue might end up

Warbasse ------->  #rally

Dunbar -------->  #trek

Denifl -------->  #bora

Blythe ------->  #didata

Cruel hat on.

I think #didata would do well to stop being a retirement home for has-been anglophones and their doms. He's a decent fellow but Blythe is no longer WT material and nowadays I doubt he's even a safe bet for PCT either. #onepro at best if they keep going or else #jlt.

Dunbar has talent but now needs a proper régime to develop it. #trek does look like a decent fit indeed to get him into the Classics. He won the U23 Ronde but he looks like a better fit for Brabantse Pijl, LBL, etc where they're still a bit short-handed. Risk with staying PCT is that he won't get the experience.

Warbasse I really don't see as WT or even PCT "over here" because like a lot of Americans he doesn't really fit into the deeper Euro team cultures but at the same time the teams that traditionally hire Americans can probably do better than him or else have enough already.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on August 28, 2018, 18:47
Warbasse I really don't see as WT or even PCT "over here" because like a lot of Americans he doesn't really fit into the deeper Euro team cultures but at the same time the teams that traditionally hire Americans can probably do better than him or else have enough already.

I think there could be some legs to Carlo's connecting of dots. Rally will be "riding a heavier European calendar" next year and although he's only 28 Warbasse has more experience of doing that than anyone in the current Rally roster bar Anderson and Pate (who'll be retiring anyways). I think he could be a good figure to have around for them.

Alternatively with a not so serious hat on....

Warbasse + Denifl ----------> #academy

Carlstrom is getting the IAM crew back together. :shh
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: search on August 28, 2018, 18:59
Warbasse + Denifl ----------> #academy

Carlstrom is getting the IAM crew back together. :shh

#bora Matteo Pelucchi --> #academy

:P
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: rote_laterne on August 28, 2018, 21:55
Alternatively with a not so serious hat on....

Warbasse + Denifl ----------> #academy

Absolutely. In fact, after my posting I thought I should have mentioned #academy too. I think both would fit in and improve the roster.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on August 29, 2018, 08:52
Agree. Felbermayr or Tirol, very much in the Zoidl style.
Tirol are focussing on developing U23 riders now. So it's very much Felbermayr.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: ciranda on August 30, 2018, 18:58
If Nicki is presented as DS at any other team, we will know that Riis' ProConti plans have come to naught. If Nicki signs on with Bjarne, that could be a sign that maybe there is some substance in Riis' talk after all.


During and after the TDF there was a crazy amount of hype so I think it would be official by now if they have a chance. As I understand they need ten more sponsors who want to invest what WAOOOOO does to be on Gianni Savio style jerseys. I'm conflicted here because while a solid team is badly needed and any team with any management is better than no team I also want the most narcissistic man in the world gone forever.

Happily the Riwal project have applied for PCT with the stated ambition to give more riders chances although I'm not sure they have funds ready.

Neopros have two-year deals so they can bring their own salaries to a new team. Edward Dunbar will have no problems as an english-speaking person and was also pretty good in Tour de l'Avenir last week. Casper Pedersen has a good chance too I think as euro champion last year and an ok season with a fifth overall in Dunkerque and minor signs. His agents is the Corso company who can maybe find a place somewhere.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: t-72 on August 30, 2018, 21:39
Carlstrom is getting the IAM crew back together. :shh

There's no Aretha to do the R-E-S-P-E-C-T talk anymore, so everyone should be able to get back on for that last gig, even Matteo. :)
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on August 30, 2018, 22:12
During and after the TDF there was a crazy amount of hype so I think it would be official by now if they have a chance. As I understand they need ten more sponsors who want to invest what WAOOOOO does to be on Gianni Savio style jerseys.
Yeah.
No. I don't think that (10 sponsors who go into it to not even see their brand in the team name) is going to happen.
It took them basically a year to even get Waoo on board - and this deal was only from the Tour of Denmark to the end of the year. Essentially two months (August-September), probably for a pittance.

Happily the Riwal project have applied for PCT with the stated ambition to give more riders chances although I'm not sure they have funds ready.
I can guarantee you that they have more funds ready, signed, sealed, delivered, than does Riis. :)

Riwal ProConti is going to happen.
Riis ProConti? I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on September 04, 2018, 09:56
Riwal ProConti is going to happen.
Riis ProConti? I'll believe it when I see it.
TV2 thinks so too:
http://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2018-09-03-chris-ankers-hold-rykker-op-jagter-rytter-hos-riis (http://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2018-09-03-chris-ankers-hold-rykker-op-jagter-rytter-hos-riis)

And they claim that Riwal have already signed a Waoo rider. But which one?

The easy way out would be to predict one of the big riders to switch over. And I am going to do it:
Alexander Kamp #waoo --> #riwal

However, I am also going to give you a truly left-field prediction, just to be able to say "I told you so" if it comes true:
Jesper Schultz #waoo --> #riwal
He has never been the big star on any of the Conti teams he's raced for so far, always working for a more established leader, and still getting decent results himself. Now could be the time for him to become a domestique on a ProConti team.
Also, he's raced for three out of the four existing Danish teams already: #bornholm #coloquick #waoo - time to add the fourth team to the list! :D
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on September 04, 2018, 12:49
Loving this whole Scandinavian corner thing going on over here. :cool :cool :cool

I know most of the >23 year old riders on the domestic scene by name only but it's fun to read all the predictions and the politicking.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on September 06, 2018, 07:03
TV2 thinks so too:
http://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2018-09-03-chris-ankers-hold-rykker-op-jagter-rytter-hos-riis (http://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2018-09-03-chris-ankers-hold-rykker-op-jagter-rytter-hos-riis)

And they claim that Riwal have already signed a Waoo rider. But which one?
It's Torkil Veyhe.

Doesn't mean that Kamp or Schultz won't be on the roster! :D
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on September 12, 2018, 18:40
http://www.silberprocycling.com/blog/silber-pro-cyclings-legacy/

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.... And if one other rider gets a pro contract this year, (discussions are ongoing) our legacy will be to have graduated 1 in 5 to the pro conti level.

Most likely Zukowsky. The only other option might be Roberge.

Most likely destination is Rally of course, with ICA as an outside bet.

Zukowsky ----------> #rally
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2018, 10:14
(http://i67.tinypic.com/9itthz.png)

The old "who's following who on twitter" connecting of dots.

Liepins ----------> #illuminate
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: search on September 26, 2018, 10:39
yeah, I heard rumors it could come true ;)
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2018, 10:52
yeah, I heard rumors it could come true ;)

.....and you didn't tell us. :o

Anyway it's probably not the best calendar for him, but a job is a job.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: search on September 26, 2018, 10:57
there's nothing signed yet, but the way I understood it, there's not much competition, to say so.

And the calendar of Illuminate next year may move more towards Europe, so that could play into his hands.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: L'arri on September 26, 2018, 12:45
Liepins does look pretty good. Fast finisher but not really a sprinter. Hanging tough in Glasgow until that puncture.

Would have thought him worthy of a bit more than #illuminate anyway but with #onepro going down, beggars can't be choosers. He's a bit like Aksel Nommela for me: obviously a talented rider but hasn't yet had enough of the right opportunities.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on September 28, 2018, 17:37
He's Scandinavian, he's still young, and he showed today that he can keep up with the best:
Jaakko Hänninen --> #riwal ;)

I actually expect him to sign with a bigger team than Riwal after today's U23 Worlds showing. But I also think that it wouldn't be a bad team for him to continue his development.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 03, 2018, 10:44

Any thoughts on this dot that is yet to be connected?

https://twitter.com/Scott_Thwaites1/status/1047381355401764864

I've always had time for Thwaites and hope that he does get to pin on many more pro numbers; but clearly he is without at present
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: search on October 03, 2018, 13:09
yeah, you'd think a team like CCC or Direct Energie would be interested in a strong rider for the classics... but apparently not
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on October 03, 2018, 16:55
yeah, you'd think a team like CCC or Direct Energie would be interested in a strong rider for the classics... but apparently not
BMCCCC sign whoever GvA wants, and/or Belgians.
Bernaudeau signs Francophones or, if he absolutely has to, Lowlanders who already have a Roubaix cobble on the mantlepiece.

Thwaites has the wrong passport to go to those teams, even though he would be an above-average addition to their roster.
Unfortunately for him, many teams are unable of thinking outside their cozy (but small) boxes.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: search on October 03, 2018, 19:05
yeah, best chance to stay in WT is probably a one year domestique deal with Quickstep at minimum wage
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on October 03, 2018, 21:16
Did Thwaites leave Bora on good terms? That's the one team I would think he would fit in at at if he were to remain in the WT.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 05, 2018, 08:56
Yes good suggestions - I suppose my concern is with the UK conti scene imploding, and down to poss just four very lightly funded 'semi pro' squads next year, and also Aqua Blue gone from these isles, there is no sub-WT safety net for a British rider,  clearly there is a world of pro-conti's to look at but there can be as many national issues in those teams as per the WT comments above.  Anyway hope it works out for him.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on October 10, 2018, 19:25
http://www.elcorreodeburgos.com/noticias/deportes/nuevo-burgos-bh-ya-listo_180252.html

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A VETERAN.

It remains to incorporate a corridor that has significant experience in professionalism to the Burgos staff

Moreno ------> #burgos ?
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on October 21, 2018, 12:31
For future reference:
Rui Costa #uae --> #unknown
https://twitter.com/wolf_fernandes/status/1053967130629234688

How many teams can afford a rider of his calibre? And how many of those need a(nother) rider of his calibre?

It'll be a short list. My money is on BMCCCC.
Rui Costa #uae --> #ccc?!
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on October 21, 2018, 13:19
Some teams were mentioned a couple of weeks back as being interested in him. I think they were EF-Drapac, Astana and Katusha.

My money would be on the last of them.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: mudplugger on October 21, 2018, 17:47
Did Thwaites leave Bora on good terms? That's the one team I would think he would fit in at at if he were to remain in the WT.
He was originally offered a good deal as one of their key classics riders, However this was revised down with the arrival of Sagan and friends.The management suggested that his performances justified a better deal than they could offer and suggested he may be better leaving. He had several teams interested but accepted a good deal at DDD following pressure from Cavendish. 

His agent was told by Ryder that they would like him to renew, but when it came to paperwork they started posturing, finally telling him there was no place at the end of September. He probably suffered from the inept performances of most of their names, the need to sign more new names, renewal of some names who do not perform, bike sponsor calls and the need to keep a significant African component.

He had nothing sorted as of last week.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on October 23, 2018, 09:51
For future reference:Rui Costa #uae --> #ccc?!
Some teams were mentioned a couple of weeks back as being interested in him. I think they were EF-Drapac, Astana and Katusha.

My money would be on the last of them.
It all turned out to be black smoke; Rui Costa stays where he is.
https://twitter.com/TeamUAEAbuDhabi/status/1054652236582842368
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on November 05, 2018, 15:19
https://twitter.com/TeamCOFIDIS/status/1059389467004362757

WT and rode a grand tour this year.

TVA is my choice.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on November 05, 2018, 22:26
WT and rode a grand tour this year.

TVA is my choice.
Not a bad choice. :cool

I wouldn't mind an *er #cofidis duo of Daniel T and Natnael B, though. ;)
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: Leadbelly on November 06, 2018, 19:19
Not a bad choice. :cool

I wouldn't mind an *er #cofidis duo of Daniel T and Natnael B, though. ;)

DirectVelo and other sources had reported it earlier today as being Berhane, but there has been nothing from Cofidis and some are now saying that it isn't him after all.
Title: Re: Connect the Dots - Transfer Predictions 2018/19
Post by: LukasCPH on November 07, 2018, 12:20
DirectVelo and other sources had reported it earlier today as being Berhane, but there has been nothing from Cofidis and some are now saying that it isn't him after all.
It is him, after all: :cool
https://twitter.com/TeamCOFIDIS/status/1060094507574747143

On the other hand, he's not teaming up with Daniel T., but replacing him: :(
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cofidis-sign-berhane-and-release-teklehaimanot/ (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cofidis-sign-berhane-and-release-teklehaimanot/)