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Title: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: search on January 03, 2019, 08:26
Santos Tour Down Under

January 15th to 20th 2019

Since 1999 the cycling world comes to Australia for the start of the season, and so it will do this year. With the king in new colors. Until he takes the ochre jersey at least.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZYvW9YB.jpg)

As usual, the parcours features stages surrounding Adelaide, from flat to undulating.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjhJ0qmW0AUZugS.jpg:large)

The stage 2 finish wasn't used for a while and is a bit uphill, but most likely it'll all come down to Montacute and Willunga Hill again.

Apart from Porte, also former winners #mitchelton Daryl Impey, #bahrain Rohan Dennis, #dimension Tom-Jelte Slagter and #astana Luis Leon Sanchez will return to the race.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: just some guy on January 13, 2019, 08:36
Little Caleb wins the crit only rider who cares about the race.

Wonder if he gets lost next week as is normal practice
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Joelsim on January 13, 2019, 10:56
How come Sagan never ever gets involved in a crash. Everyone else does but him at some stage.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: L'arri on January 13, 2019, 11:47
How come Sagan never ever gets involved in a crash. Everyone else does but him at some stage.

Bike handling skills blah blah, but was he close to it this time? I didn't watch the clip because I know it takes me at least ten replays to even fix my eyes on the nucleus of any bunch crash.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on January 13, 2019, 14:53
Bike handling skills blah blah, but was he close to it this time? I didn't watch the clip because I know it takes me at least ten replays to even fix my eyes on the nucleus of any bunch crash.

He was the right hand rider in a row of three riders near the front of the group. Going round a bend the rider on the left of those three slipped out and took the rider directly to Sagans left out. Sagan managed to get by before they would have ended up taking him out.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: search on January 13, 2019, 15:51
the stage 3 circuit is also new btw, and could potentially mix things up quite a bit as well:

https://twitter.com/raffilpt/status/1084476145846898688
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: just some guy on January 13, 2019, 15:55
Hot weather looking like shorter stages at least on Wednesday
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: AG on January 14, 2019, 01:22
they have shorteded stage 2 (Wednesday) as it is looking to be over 40 degrees.

Holding a bike race in the middle of summer - what can you expect really?    It is going to be pretty hot all week so dont expect too much from the riders
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 14, 2019, 02:31
I couldn't figure out just what the hell any of you were talking about, as search's OP states the race as being from January 15th - 20th.
 :S

Now, I realize that Australia has its own time zone, but I didn't think they were that far ahead of EST.

Turns out that this crazy little race has begun already. I had no idea!  :D

OK, now I see. It's the Down Under Classic, which is, or isn't, officially part of The Tour Down Under?
:slow
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 14, 2019, 02:43
How come Sagan never ever gets involved in a crash.
Bike handling skills blah blah...

Well, yeah!  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgrJ0XrU_2U
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: just some guy on January 14, 2019, 05:39
I couldn't figure out just what the hell any of you were talking about, as search's OP states the race as being from January 15th - 20th.
 :S

Now, I realize that Australia has its own time zone, but I didn't think they were that far ahead of EST.

Turns out that this crazy little race has begun already. I had no idea!  :D

OK, now I see. It's the Down Under Classic, which is, or isn't, officially part of The Tour Down Under?
:slow

Not just a warm up crit.

All started for Lance and Cancer awareness
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: t-72 on January 14, 2019, 06:46
How come Sagan never ever gets involved in a crash. Everyone else does but him at some stage.

Sagan doesn’t crash in bike races.   :-x Bike races occasionally crash into Sagan and that ruins the races.   :S

(Wasnt he finishing TdF at half speed last year? Still brought HIS jersey home but the race was completely shambles afterwards, and some guy that never won before was able to walk away with yellow. :)

Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Arb on January 14, 2019, 10:01
Slight changes to the first two stages due to the conditions, not sure why they don't bring the start time forward but anyway.

http://www.tourdownunder.com.au/news/2019/jan/14/summary-of-stage-modifications

Ziptrak Stage 1 will now be 129 km, with the riders expected to finish in Port Adelaide at 2.24 pm.
Novatech Stage 2 will now be 122.1 km, with the riders expected to finish in Angaston at 2.22 pm.

Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Arb on January 14, 2019, 10:08
(http://i67.tinypic.com/w8wdnk.jpg)

yikes
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: search on January 15, 2019, 07:35
Robbie McEwen didn't win today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7Qw55a4o8g

#ccc Bevin and #sunweb Storer snatched 5 bonus seconds underway. Otherwise not much of interest happened, I think

Tomorrow's finish is a bit uphill, but nothing too major. The same one was used in 2009


and 2011:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lHNUh_7pnM
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Arb on January 15, 2019, 09:43
Perfect finish for Harley, scary how good he was those early months of 2011.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: LukasCPH on January 15, 2019, 10:21
Looks to me as if Viviani was closing the door a teeny bit on Walscheid at the end. :shh

He'd still have won without that maneuvre, but it seems he wanted to make sure.

EDIT:
Looking at the overhead shot, he definitely starts going left before his rear wheel is clear of Walscheid's front wheel.
https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1085116604587933696

This is what happens in sprints, though, and Viviani was way clear at the line.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Joelsim on January 15, 2019, 12:19
Increasingly looking like Kuba will score 18 times as many points as Sagan this season.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 15, 2019, 12:58
EDIT:
Looking at the overhead shot, he definitely starts going left before his rear wheel is clear of Walscheid's front wheel

I think he looks clear there. It's a bit deceptive at first look because the shadow of his rear wheel is trailing him the whole way. The wheel itself, however, appears to be positioned more safely. I'd bet that if there was a side camera angle it would be more evident.

But that is one, insane acceleration. It looked like a man against boys. I can't believe how far back he was. But I still don't understand why we never get to see the overhead angle in real time. The worst place to assess a mass sprint from is that typical head-on perspective. There's no depth perception for the viewer, and it's usually impossible to see the actual space between riders. 

Powerful win, though.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: LukasCPH on January 15, 2019, 13:55
I think he looks clear there. It's a bit deceptive at first look because the shadow of his rear wheel is trailing him the whole way. The wheel itself, however, appears to be positioned more safely. I'd bet that if there was a side camera angle it would be more evident.
You're right about that. Damn shadows! :D
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Mellow Velo on January 15, 2019, 16:18
I just watched, or rather endured the full stage coverage from Ziggo Sports, recorded last night.
Kind of them to let Liggett and McEwen's commentary go out live, instead of their Dutch commentators.

 What a strange stage. Breakaway reeled in 40 plus kms from the finish, then it becomes a training jaunt for the next hour, before the usual 5km charge for the line.

 There was a headwind and McEwen had warned of the dangers of opening up too early.
Max Walscheid duly obliged. :D
Viviani's finishing speed looked kms faster than anybody else.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: search on January 15, 2019, 16:47
Kind of them to let Liggett and McEwen's commentary go out live, instead of their Dutch commentators.

after having seen Sunday's race with the Dutch commentary, I can only agree to that... ;)
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: t-72 on January 15, 2019, 19:49
I just looked at the results and wonder about #uae UAE and their already started Kristoff vs Gaviria for which sprints and which classics discussions. Here comes Jasper....  :shh

EDIT: on Jasper after watching his win in Gylne Gutuer  last year
Quote
By the way, it was a great race watching, much better than the vuelta stage and Jasper Philipsen should graduate to WT ( #quickstep or #lotto?)  someday soon...great classics riding with smooth tactics where the norwegians and danes were shooting each other down for 50 km , Philpsen just waited for the decisive moves and followed.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: search on January 16, 2019, 12:34
looks like it could turn out to be the (expected) mistake to gift 5 seconds to #ccc Bevin during stage 1... today he takes 10 more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2xXJu_oedo


He has a good kick uphill, as displayed by coming 2nd (behind Gilbert) at a tough Tour de Suisse finish in 2017, and also in Bristol (behind Alaphilippe) at the Tour of Britain, but I didn't really think this arrival would be difficult enough to make that much of a difference, to be honest. He basically won it with ease
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: LukasCPH on January 16, 2019, 15:29
looks like it could turn out to be the (expected) mistake to gift 5 seconds to #ccc Bevin during stage 1... today he takes 10 more:
Good sprint by Bevin.

Less good commentary by Liggett: "Impey going for it, Impey in the lead, Impey ... this looks like Luis Leon Sanchez"
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Mellow Velo on January 16, 2019, 17:14
I still prefer the less good commentary option to the Ziggo's Dutch duo.
At one point during today's commentary, McEwen and Jens Voigt managed to  exclude the old codger completely for about 5 minutes. :D

Anyhow 2 stages done and my conclusion, so far on the TDU: The only race to have a 5kms neutralized start and a 50km neutralized finish. :lol
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Leadbelly on January 16, 2019, 17:42
It's not Marc de Maar doing the comms for Ziggo is it? Think he was doing some for them last year.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Arb on January 17, 2019, 00:16
https://twitter.com/tourdownunder/status/1085691770850045952
https://twitter.com/tourdownunder/status/1085691909899673600

LRP definitely going to try something
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Mellow Velo on January 17, 2019, 16:48
Just finished watching again.
That first tweet sums up the stage.
A lap and a half of racing just not enough to be very selective.

Btw: I am having real issues posting on the site, when using Firefox.....
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: search on January 18, 2019, 07:31
yeah, somehow it was just selective enough for an out of shape Sagan to be left without competition though ;)


The Corkscrew stage today saw more of the same, but this time without Sagan.


Woods, Porte, Bennett and Poels had a bit of a gap on the climb but were brought back early.

In a very strong manner #dimension Ryan Gibbons made it over the climbs both days btw - just to finish 12th twice, in a small bunch of non-sprinters :S
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Arb on January 18, 2019, 10:02
Just finished watching again.
That first tweet sums up the stage.
A lap and a half of racing just not enough to be very selective.

Btw: I am having real issues posting on the site, when using Firefox.....

Same, maybe it's telling me to finally ditch FF... It's a Chrome clone now and I have to use the latter for many more modern sites.

Pogacar seems to be legit. Gibbons survived Cameron Highlands last year (err 2017) remember so he's definitely not a single dimension.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Mellow Velo on January 18, 2019, 15:09
 20 riders over the Corkscrew makes it the least selective ascent to date.
So, come Willunga and it's all down to a race among the usual suspects......minus a few of the usual suspects. :D
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Mellow Velo on January 19, 2019, 14:06
 So, a sprint stage ends up with more drama than the Corkscrew.
Bevin looked badly beaten up after the crash. Not sure whether he'll be OK for the Willunga finale.
Surprised they dqf'd the home town boy, Ewan.
The UCI making friends down under.

No idea how to post PCS's results, these days.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: LukasCPH on January 19, 2019, 14:27
No idea how to post PCS's results, these days.
Instructions here: :)
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=2134.msg2245606#msg2245606 (http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=2134.msg2245606#msg2245606)

Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Leadbelly on January 19, 2019, 20:46
https://twitter.com/ridemediaHQ/status/1086544301859819520

I'm fine with the relegation. It wasn't quite as bad as Renshaw's from a few years back, but then he got a full DSQ. Consistency is what is needed, which isn't always easy as things aren't always black and white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv7mTPKpet4

Renshaw's excuse. :lol
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 19, 2019, 22:13
What in god's name am I supposed to be looking for in that Caleb Ewan clip? I've watched it four times but I've yet to come up with anything noteworthy.

:slow
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: t-72 on January 19, 2019, 22:36
I just looked at the results and wonder about #uae UAE and their already started Kristoff vs Gaviria for which sprints and which classics discussions. Here comes Jasper....  :shh

 :angel  :angel  :angel

rightwhatdidasay!

 :D
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Leadbelly on January 20, 2019, 07:27
What in god's name am I supposed to be looking for in that Caleb Ewan clip? I've watched it four times but I've yet to come up with anything noteworthy.

:slow


Ewan and Philipsen are the riders vying for fifth position. Ewan, on the left, butts Philipsen with his head a couple of times to barge him off Sagan's wheel.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Drummer Boy on January 20, 2019, 14:55
Ewan and Philipsen are the riders vying for fifth position. Ewan, on the left, butts Philipsen with his head a couple of times to barge him off Sagan's wheel.

Ah, yes. Now I see the connection. Giving him the ol' "Renshaw."

Here's another angle with a slightly better view of the point of contact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oPM2HcUWU0

 :P
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Mellow Velo on January 20, 2019, 15:12
Meh.
They could save a lot of money by just recording one edition of this race and replaying it each January.
Another 400 metres and Impey would have won on Willunga.
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: LukasCPH on January 20, 2019, 15:20
They could save a lot of money by just recording one edition of this race and replaying it each January.
Hear, hear! :D
Title: Re: Santos Tour Down Under
Post by: Ram on January 22, 2019, 03:19
(https://i.imgur.com/w2GrGY1.png)