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Title: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on January 28, 2019, 20:32
#unox Tobias Foss on his second training camp with #jumbo
so that's the first 2019 --> 2020 rumour then?  :angel
It's got to start somewhere :D
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on January 29, 2019, 13:54
It's got to start somewhere :D
Consider it started! ;)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on May 01, 2019, 12:55
#biesse Simone Ravanelli --> #androni Androni Giocattoli Sidermec

Looked very promising over the past weeks, should be a good signing

https://androniteam.it/va-avanti-la-linea-giovani-dellandroni-giocattoli-sidermec-nel-2020-arrivera-simone-ravanelli/
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on May 01, 2019, 19:05
I thought he had missed the bus tbh. He was on my radar (CQ and all that) after his performances at Valle d'Aosta back in '14 and '15 and I wondered if maybe a Italian PCT team might pick him up after those results, but he's just been puttering about at CT level for what will be four years.

It's quite similar to Carboni at Bardiani. Good performances a few years ago, but no step up. Giovanni even had to drop back down to club level with Colpack for a year.

Strange really as it's not as if there aren't the Italian PCT teams in need of homegrown talent. I don't know if either of them has been doing a university course. That could be a plausible explanation for not making the jump till they're that bit older.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: rote_laterne on May 01, 2019, 20:32
Maybe also no sponsor to pay for his PC spot.  :-x
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: rote_laterne on May 03, 2019, 21:09
Mekseb Debesay  #didata ---> #bikeaid

https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/mekseb-debesay/2019 (https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/mekseb-debesay/2019)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on May 05, 2019, 11:40
More #unox rumours:

#unox Andreas Leknessund ----> #sunweb

According to agent Manuel Qionziato there are several WT teams interested (#jumbo, #uae mentioned) but Sunweb has clearly been the most keen team to get him on board and maybe prepared to outbid other teams. If he doesn't stay with #unox for one more year, that is.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: rote_laterne on May 05, 2019, 16:05
 Only Oomen and S. Kragh Andersen developed nicely at #sunweb. Kämna was close to retiring and disappoints like Storer and Hindley. Don't know whats up with Kanter.
So I would prefer another team for him or staying one more year with  #unox.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on May 05, 2019, 19:39
...but Oomen was already quite developed out of the Rabobank U23 system, seem to remember him riding well, along with Mathieu van der Poel, at a Norwegian event already long ago!

EDIT: however, lately I have read good things about Sunweb and their development system (mostly related to the women's side though). They may not be as good as #jumbo but they are close competitors.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on May 05, 2019, 20:16
if he signs for Sunweb, that would probably be the devolopment team first anyway, wouldn't it?! I don't think Sunweb (the WT team) has picked up any youngsters elsewhere since that one exists
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on May 06, 2019, 12:42
More #unox rumours:

#unox Andreas Leknessund ----> #sunweb
Only Oomen and S. Kragh Andersen developed nicely at #sunweb. Kämna was close to retiring and disappoints like Storer and Hindley. Don't know whats up with Kanter.
So I would prefer another team for him or staying one more year with  #unox.
...but Oomen was already quite developed out of the Rabobank U23 system, seem to remember him riding well, along with Mathieu van der Poel, at a Norwegian event already long ago!

EDIT: however, lately I have read good things about Sunweb and their development system (mostly related to the women's side though). They may not be as good as #jumbo but they are close competitors.
Sunweb is a very rigid system. For some, that is good as it gives them clear benchmarks and structures, and helps them bring out their best - for others, it stifles them.
We've just recently seen Janneke Ensing, the women's team's star signing four months ago, leave the team by mutual agreement because it didn't fit her.
Ellen van Dijk didn't have great things to say about it either after leaving for Trek.

My impression is that the older you are and the longer you have been in cycling, the less likely it is that you can adapt to the 'Sunweb system'. Younger riders often slot into it well - but as rote_laterne points out, it's not a given even there.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on May 13, 2019, 10:10
https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/deze-zes-toptalenten-staan-in-het-vizier-van-jumbo-visma/

Quote
In recent years, Jumbo-Visma's policy has focused on talent development. The Dutch WorldTour team is keen to retain the greatest talent, regardless of the type of riders. In 2020, the team has made two places available for these drivers. This year, Jumbo-Visma explicitly follows six promises, two of which she hopes to contract

The six riders are:

Bjerg
Donovan
Arensman
Foss
Leknessund
Maciejuk

The bottom four are no surprise. Attracting Bjerg (vs Deceuninck and whoever) would be a great validation of their focus on development.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on May 13, 2019, 16:59
https://twitter.com/sports_ouest/status/1127954772584218625

Alaphilippe ----------> #arkea ?

I wouldn't be holding my breath Mr. Hubert.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on May 16, 2019, 15:02
I forgot this from yesterday.

Richeze ----------> #uae

The rumour according to Hatch is that a 2-year deal is already signed and sealed.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on May 17, 2019, 00:29
I forgot this from yesterday.

Richeze ----------> #uae

The rumour according to Hatch is that a 2-year deal is already signed and sealed.
Getting Gaviria his Latin American leadout man makes perfect sense. For once, a good signing by ex-Lampre. :P
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Joelsim on May 17, 2019, 10:53
I forgot this from yesterday.

Richeze ----------> #uae

The rumour according to Hatch is that a 2-year deal is already signed and sealed.

He'll need a new lead-out man once Kristoff leaves.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on May 17, 2019, 17:02
https://twitter.com/WielerFlitsBE/status/1129365366231191552

Van Gestel ----------> #ag2r or  #astana or #cofidis or #total ?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on May 17, 2019, 17:33
Van Gestel ----------> #ag2r or  #astana or #cofidis or #total ?
Dries who? :P

Sorry, he's just never crossed my radar.
I see he a.o. finished 13th in the Ronde this year, which isn't at all bad.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on May 20, 2019, 13:13
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/05/20/1558284358/androni-sidermec-talenti-in-partenza-masnada-cattaneo-vendrame-savio

Masnada -----------> #ccc ? (Trek has also been mentioned)
Cattaneo ----------> #astana ?
Vendrame ----------> #cofidis ?

Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on May 28, 2019, 07:26
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1133244009416155136

#coloquick ------------> #unox
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on May 28, 2019, 20:44
https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1133264875520712704

Ballerini ----------> #deceuninck ?
Vlasov --------------> #astana ?

Ballerini moving on surprisingly quickly. I thought with Deceuninck needing to find money to keep Alaphilippe, they'd be shopping in the CT/youngsters market instead of going after established riders. Pat got some extra moolah off Specialized?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on May 28, 2019, 20:59
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1133244009416155136

#coloquick ------------> #unox

This is the danish deal they have been preparing. Lukas, do you still find this unfeasible as a pro conti team?

(A former cannondale pro hints at the organization being better run than his former team).
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on May 28, 2019, 21:22
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1133319159918583808

Carapaz ----------> ???
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: M Gee on May 29, 2019, 02:03
. . .
Carapaz ----------> ???
Well, he's certainly showing the talent to be signed on for good money. But "deep pockets" sounds like Sky/Ineos, and he wouldn't be a leader there, would he. Maybe in another few years.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on May 29, 2019, 20:53
More #unox rumours:

#unox Andreas Leknessund ----> #sunweb

According to agent Manuel Qionziato there are several WT teams interested (#jumbo, #uae mentioned) but Sunweb has clearly been the most keen team to get him on board and maybe prepared to outbid other teams. If he doesn't stay with #unox for one more year, that is.

It's official Andreas Leknessund going Team Sunweb in 2021.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on May 29, 2019, 21:14
https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/deze-zes-toptalenten-staan-in-het-vizier-van-jumbo-visma/

The six riders are:

Bjerg
Donovan
Arensman
Foss
Leknessund
Maciejuk

The bottom four are no surprise. Attracting Bjerg (vs Deceuninck and whoever) would be a great validation of their focus on development.

If Jumbo Visma signs Bjerg, Donovan, Arensman, Foss and Maciejuk are good contractions.
Foss, Arensman and Donovan are mountain mens.
Bjerg and Maciejuk are men for ITT
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on May 29, 2019, 21:25
Dries who? :P

Sorry, he's just never crossed my radar.
I see he a.o. finished 13th in the Ronde this year, which isn't at all bad.

Good man for the classics.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on May 29, 2019, 21:32
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/05/20/1558284358/androni-sidermec-talenti-in-partenza-masnada-cattaneo-vendrame-savio

Masnada -----------> #ccc ? (Trek has also been mentioned)
Cattaneo ----------> #astana ?
Vendrame ----------> #cofidis ?

Masnada to #trek is a done deal, will go to support Nibali.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 01, 2019, 19:21
https://twitter.com/deceuninck_qst/status/1134834252531589121

Alaphilippe -----------> nowhere

As long he has got renumeration somewhere close to what he's worth, he'd have been crazy to go anywhere else.

https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1134821305876979714

Zakarin -------------> #ccc ?

No Majka then?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 02, 2019, 20:14
Since search was asking about him the other day,

https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/74595/quinten-hermans-attend-une-offre-du-worldtour

Hermans -------------> WT?

Quote
It is true that if a WorldTour team makes me a good proposal with an interesting program, I would take it into account.I would ideally be able to continue the cyclo-cross, but I am open to concentrate more on the road
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on June 03, 2019, 09:48
https://twitter.com/deceuninck_qst/status/1134834252531589121

Alaphilippe -----------> nowhere

As long he has got renumeration somewhere close to what he's worth, he'd have been crazy to go anywhere else.

https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1134821305876979714

Zakarin -------------> #ccc ?

No Majka then?

Majka will stay in the #bora, I think.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on June 03, 2019, 09:49
Since search was asking about him the other day,

https://www.directvelo.com/actualite/74595/quinten-hermans-attend-une-offre-du-worldtour

Hermans -------------> WT?

good man for the classics and for the CRI
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 03, 2019, 09:52
#katusha Marcel Kittel --> #jumbo Jumbo Visma ?

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/3681458/jumbo-visma-aast-op-kittel
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on June 03, 2019, 23:11
#katusha Marcel Kittel --> #jumbo Jumbo Visma ?

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/3681458/jumbo-visma-aast-op-kittel

I can´t make any sense of this unless it is to stop some other team from getting him.  if Kittel can find his race legs somewhere, He´s one of very few that can beat Groenewegen at what he does best.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 04, 2019, 01:34
Since this is also a "rumors" thread, can we try to get ahead of the Carapaz-to-Ineos rumblings that have been going on?

Obviously Ineos has the deep pockets, but they also have Froome and Thomas (and Bernal). So where would that leave Carapaz?

And how would adding the Giro champion to their lineup do anything other than create more tension amongst the team's current stars?

Movistar, on the other hand, has proven the ability to support Carapaz as a team leader, and the longevity of the team speaks for itself—in Spanish, no less. Speaking of: In addition to Spain, Movistar has a huge presence in both Central and South America, so having the likes of Carapaz to represent their brand seems like something worth fighting for. They already have a presence in these countries:

Argentina
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Ecuador
El Salvador
Guatemala
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
Peru
Uruguay
Venezuela

...and the home page for Movistar Ecuador is already seizing on his Giro victory.
(https://www.movistar.com.ec/documents/10184/2055844/richard-carapaz-campeon-giro-de-italia-desktop-movistar.jpg/4d6d192c-d527-452f-94a2-53ce48ef93ee?t=1559475404756)

So I would think that the opportunity for further personal endorsements would be greater for Carapaz under the Movistar banner than that of Ineos.

Besides, does anyone really want to see Carapaz at Ineos, besides maybe Ratcliffe and Brailsford?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 04, 2019, 08:05
I can´t make any sense of this unless it is to stop some other team from getting him.  if Kittel can find his race legs somewhere, He´s one of very few that can beat Groenewegen at what he does best.
In today's Het Nieuwsblad there's an article about. Him and (sports director) Zeeman are old friends from their years at Skil Shimano, and they even consider to bring the old gang together, Kittel, Martin and Degenkolb, who all raced at Thüringer Energie Team before stepping up to the pros.

Regarding Groenewegen, they say that there's enough room for having two top sprinters, and that Kittel usually excels when he doesn't have all the pressure on his shoulders alone.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 04, 2019, 10:31
(tbc) #movistar Nairo Quintana --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
(tbc) #cofidis Nacer Bouhanni --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
(tbc) #ag2r Alexis Gougeard --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic

according to Colombian media it's a done deal, Quintana will sign for 2.5 million Euro per year + a bonus if he wins the Tour

https://elpais.com/deportes/2019/06/03/actualidad/1559581016_029494.html
https://www.letelegramme.fr/cyclisme/arkea-samsic-la-piste-bouhanni-02-06-2019-12300791.php
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Flo on June 04, 2019, 11:25
(tbc) #movistar Nairo Quintana --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
(tbc) #cofidis Nacer Bouhanni --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
(tbc) #ag2r Alexis Gougeard --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic

according to Colombian media it's a done deal, Quintana will sign for 2.5 million Euro per year + a bonus if he wins the Tour

https://elpais.com/deportes/2019/06/03/actualidad/1559581016_029494.html
https://www.letelegramme.fr/cyclisme/arkea-samsic-la-piste-bouhanni-02-06-2019-12300791.php
Quintana to #arkea ?!! :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 04, 2019, 12:00
(tbc) #movistar Nairo Quintana --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
(tbc) #cofidis Nacer Bouhanni --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
(tbc) #ag2r Alexis Gougeard --> #arkea Arkéa-Samsic
:S

Waiting for our Norwegian friend to come and say that this shows Nairo and Nacer are now definitely have-beens. :D
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 04, 2019, 16:02
Quintana will sign for 2.5 million Euro per year + a bonus if he wins the Tour

So 2.5 milion it is, then?  :P
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 04, 2019, 17:38
Since this is also a "rumors" thread, can we try to get ahead of the Carapaz-to-Ineos rumblings that have been going on?

From the outside it seems like really bad contract management by Movistar.

The current wage according to recent reports (no doubt his agent has been bandying this about) is 150k a year. Peanuts. Now logic would suggest to me that post his performance at the 2018 Giro someone at Movistar should have thought "Hey this guy is seriously underpaid for the talent he has. Maybe we should sit down with his agent and sort something out now in advance of his contract year". This is what happens in some other sports. Breakthrough performance by a youngster and it earns them a better and longer contract.

It might not even have to have been a massive increase. Pulling figures out of thin air, but basic wage of 400-500k, some performance related bonuses and extra year or two on the length. Now with the Giro victory, the cost just got much higher for them and he's obviously on the radar of everyone with some cash.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 04, 2019, 18:46
well, him, Landa and Quintana leaving the ship will certainly solve some potential leadership conflicts at least. Looks like Valverde will have a lot of freedom next year?! :P
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 04, 2019, 19:20
...and the home page for Movistar Ecuador is already seizing on his Giro victory.
(https://www.movistar.com.ec/documents/10184/2055844/richard-carapaz-campeon-giro-de-italia-desktop-movistar.jpg/4d6d192c-d527-452f-94a2-53ce48ef93ee?t=1559475404756)

So I would think that the opportunity for further personal endorsements would be greater for Carapaz under the Movistar banner than that of Ineos.


When you say Movistar Ecuador do you mean the business or the UCI Continental team?

Given as you say the business being heavily involved in South America it does seem obvious that you would think they would want to keep him but it all depends on the situation between sponsor and team. Will Movistar bring enough pressure onto the team for the team to offer him enough to keep him.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 05, 2019, 04:04
well, him, Landa and Quintana leaving the ship will certainly solve some potential leadership conflicts at least. Looks like Valverde will have a lot of freedom next year?!
:P
Yes, I failed to mention the extraordinary talent drain that Movistar are currently in the midst of. All the more reason you'd think they'd desperately want to hold onto Carapaz!

Not to mention, wouldn't the departure of their marque riders mean that extra funds would be availibale to throw at Carapaz as a nice enticement to stay? And if Valverde remains, what better mentor could a rising, Spanish-speaking star hope to encounter? Alejandro—besides any opinions one may have about him—has to be considered one of the most seasoned, accomplished and enduring riders in the history of the sport. How could that possibly compare with riding in the shadow of Froome?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 05, 2019, 04:09
When you say Movistar Ecuador do you mean the business or the UCI Continental team?

The business.
That banner ad is from Movistar's Ecuadorean homepage for their mobile devices.
https://www.movistar.com.ec (https://www.movistar.com.ec)


A better question though: How did the pink bar magically appear at the bottom of my post? :slow
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on June 05, 2019, 11:40
Bjorg Lambrecht 2 more year with Lotto Soudal
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 05, 2019, 11:48
The business.
That banner ad is from Movistar's Ecuadorean homepage for their mobile devices.
https://www.movistar.com.ec (https://www.movistar.com.ec)


A better question though: How did the pink bar magically appear at the bottom of my post? :slow
Scroll bar because the image is too wide for our forum 'look'. And since we're still using the Giro theme, it's pink. :)

Yes, I failed to mention the extraordinary talent drain that Movistar are currently in the midst of. All the more reason you'd think they'd desperately want to hold onto Carapaz!

Not to mention, wouldn't the departure of their marque riders mean that extra funds would be availibale to throw at Carapaz as a nice enticement to stay? And if Valverde remains, what better mentor could a rising, Spanish-speaking star hope to encounter? Alejandro—besides any opinions one may have about him—has to be considered one of the most seasoned, accomplished and enduring riders in the history of the sport. How could that possibly compare with riding in the shadow of Froome?
Carapaz, an Ecuadorian cyclist who 'grew up' (in cycling terms) in Colombia and just won the first Grand Tour for his home country - he's pretty much the best advertisement Movistar could hope for in Latin America.
If I were Movistar (the company), I'd sign him to a very-long-term contract with a blank field for salary, to be filled out by him with whatever figure he wants, and just pay him that.

The return on that (substantial) investment is virtually guaranteed. With his Giro win, he's now well on his way to a stardom in Ecuador and beyond that can be compared to that of Boonen in Belgium, or Nibali in Italy (and look what it just brought Nibali).
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on June 05, 2019, 15:13
Yes, I failed to mention the extraordinary talent drain that Movistar are currently in the midst of. All the more reason you'd think they'd desperately want to hold onto Carapaz!

Not to mention, wouldn't the departure of their marque riders mean that extra funds would be availibale to throw at Carapaz as a nice enticement to stay? And if Valverde remains, what better mentor could a rising, Spanish-speaking star hope to encounter? Alejandro—besides any opinions one may have about him—has to be considered one of the most seasoned, accomplished and enduring riders in the history of the sport. How could that possibly compare with riding in the shadow of Froome?

Ineos seem to be so systematically recruiting and developing new riders now, that I think part of the equation is not known to the public and may be something we can only speculate about: you write “riding in the shadow of Froome” - but Team Ineos will know better than we do how long their current rank of star riders will last. Froome is one, but Thomas perhaps the better example. He has been more outspoken on the sacrifices he needs to make to get in shape for racing GC, principally on the nutrition and lifestyle side. I don’t believe he’ll carry on with that for another 5 years, to put it that way. Froome seems less bothered by the diets, but we don’t know how his body copes with so many years racing on top level. There cannot be many riders like Valverde, and now even the #rainbow man appears to be slightly fading. Froome has arguably been racing at an even higher level, and from what I gather the cumulative stress to the system from racing at top level over many years is seen as more important than age for the prediction of athlete decline. There are large indivual differences (Hi Alejandro!  ;) ), but even Froome has a treshold for how many years he can be a top level GC rider.  Wiggins said that when he quit racing, he had the bone density of a 65-year old woman and osteoporosis symptoms. Racing at this level doesn’t seem particularly healthy and hopefully all the individuals involved have a large say in the decision concerning when enough is enough.

Brailsford is clever, so when he was informed that the Sky sponsorship was coming to an end, he secured his most valuable assets by extending contracts with Thomas and Froome. Having banked that, his team could negotiate new sponsors, with an excellent track record in terms of results, and almost guaranteed future success, as it was secure that the key components of their past victories would still be present. Many teams face a crumble, if not a crunch,  at the time when they need a new main sponsor, but #sky not only evaded that, they made it an opportunity - and their new contract with Ineos is supposedly not just as good as the old one they had with Sky, it is much better, and the team has an even bigger budget now.

Like it or not, that is sponsorship transition masterclass there, well played.

So what if they did all this, while at the same time being seriously concerned that maybe Thomas can’t take another year, or at least not two more years of this? What if they have test results showing that despite looking more relaxed about the extreme diets, Froome’s bone density is plummeting and he might have to call it quits sooner than he would like to because in the next crash he will break every bone?
In that case, top priority for continuation of the business would be recruiting and developing future stars, more than propping up the current top stars with more domestiques to make sure they win yet another year. In the first race with the #ineos jersey you could not see Froome carried on a gold chair across the Yorkshire countryside. He was put to work as a road captain and performed very well in that role (what could you expect, really...) setting up the attacks that left #riwal Kamp asphyxiated while #ineos Lawless came back to win the GC.

There is a change in the way the team deals with the young riders they recruit now. They get a lot more chances to ride for their own results now than they did around 2010-2012. At that time, top talent riders like Edvald Boasson Hagen was brought in apparently for the sole purpose of being locomotives in the Sky train. Team leadership roles was really pre-defined, and not up for discussion. EBH´s number of wins per season declined through his time with Sky, reflecting not just that the team didn´t give him opportunities (in fact they did, at some occasions) but that his program was such that his ability to win was also dwindling. You have to train very hard to become Tim de Clerq, and to achieve that, the ability to finish like Peter Sagan is usually sacrificed. 

The Yates twins didn´t sign for Sky, they wanted to be captains, not domestiques - but realized or feared that the Sky programme would train them only as domestiques. Later,  at some point (last year?) I think the team realized that they don´t get good future captains from signing young talent to work as domestiques. Now it is different. This year #ineos is often the youngest squad on the road. In fact not just youngest, but youngest by a wide margin too, and their captains are young as well. The giro team was extreme, with papa Chris Knees and the youngsters - and despite lacking Bernal, it highlighted Pavel Sivakov as an up-and-coming GC captain with a brilliant 3-week performance in his first GC. A clear sporting success in the development perspective, although it hardly qualifies as a commercial success for the sponsors.

All the top talent that Sky/Ineos have been stocking up over the past few years, have one thing (or rather, don´t have one thing) in common. They´re not British, not even by colonial heritage British. Right now it looks like they are aiming to become a major player in Spanish speaking South America. This may or may not be a problem, depending on their sponsor/owner: Do they want to use their investment in the team to improve their standing in the UK or do they invest in the team for publicity to support global growth, or both?

From what the team is doing, it appears to be principally global growth that is the objective: they hire riders from all over the world, if only they are good enough. However, I think they have money for that, and then some. «Then some» as in somewhere they´ve piled two big mountains of cash marked «For Simon»  and «For Adam», just because what really seems to be missing in their plans are the next generation British GC winners (make that Tour de France GC winners, nothing else really matters).

I´ll take it as far as to speculating that in the contract negotiations with Ineos someone might have said: «if you throw in an extra 20 million or so we will see what we can do about getting the Yates twins to sign on for 2021.» Unless either 1) another British young rider appears as the next big thing 2) Mitchelton gets more sponsors with deeper pockets, I think the question is «when» not «if» the brothers will join Sky. If anything, they seem like more of a match now then they were when they shocked the British cycling establishment, by not joining Sky in the first place.
 
(Concerning that possible even younger GC rider from the UK «next big thing» - could possibly be Hugh Carthy(?) the only one seen racing 3 weeks with consistency, isn´t he? The rest of the best of the younger British riders seem to have a more of a taste for the classics (and CX) rather than 3 week tours, climbing and the GC, isn´t that right? )

Final comment on Carapaz - from what I read he was very underpaid at Movistar, and they refused to increase his salary before he won the Giro. This may come as a consequence of winning the giro while actually being 4th on the pecking order in a team with a quite hierarchical structure (I think that makes it a very unusual win actually.) 

If this is true, then if there wasn´t an agent suggesting that he can get maybe 10 times more paid elsewhere, that agent wouldn´t be doing his job! Money is important in professional sports! A South American family man will not look primarily to his sporting chances, but to his income chances and his family, and how he can best secure their future. In South America, a professional athlete is a professional first and and athlete second. One of the things that really surprised me when I lived there, was just how quickly the public opinion on a young soccer player would turn, if they did not secure a contract (and: a contract that wasn´t just good for them, but for the family.) They were immediately put on a list of irresponsible playboys, talented maybe, but good for nothing, really.  (You could almost be sure all daughters were informed they shouldn´t bring a such man into the family.) They are cool with people entering professional sports - if and only if it is a good deal for them and can support the (extended) family. Then they are heroes, but the prospect of one year without much income makes them despiccable, unresponsible idiots. There´s a work ethic behind this, and also the lacking of safety nets that makes it possible and acceptable for first-world people to be less economically productive for longer phases in our lives, I think.

This is why I am pretty convinced that if offered a large salary increase elsewhere, Richard would sign. It would be the only responsible thing to do.

You can´t really blame Ineos for being opportunistic here - a good buy is a good buy and they are running a business. However, the noise level can also just be a result of an agent that is working hard to persuade Movistar to pony up more cash for keeping Carapaz. That would also be a responsible tactic, the company can definetly afford it, and the team is reportedly not having to pay for Quintana in the future. Maybe they have already been busy for a while, trying to make increased space for Richard on their salary lists, and that is why Quintana is leasing? At Arkea he will fade, like all others that enter that team, but his income will be better than at Movistar.

I am so far actually less convinced that Carapaz is going to #ineos than that Simon and Adam Yates eventually  will go there. Let´s see how the negotiations  go.       :)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 05, 2019, 15:39
That was a pretty tremendous response, T-72. Thanks for that!  :cool

Lots of things worth considering, but I've got one foot out the door at the moment, so I'll try to respond more throughly later on.

That was news to me about Wiggins physical state of being. I hadn't realized he had pushed his body to such extremes.

Interesting also was the cultural perspective of South American athletes and those around them. It'll be very interesting to see how this all pans out.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on June 06, 2019, 11:52
Latest rumours (Marca):
Carapaz to stay with Movistar (1m/year)
Landa, Rojas and Pello Bilbao to Bahrain-Merida
Quintana to Arkea-Samsic
Fuglsang and Mas to Movistar
Zakarin to CCC
Cattaneo to Astana
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on June 07, 2019, 11:17
Morkov stay 2 more years in DQS
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 11, 2019, 11:21
#iam Simon Pellaud --> #androni Androni Giocattoli - Sidermec

(https://scontent-dus1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/1f9f020336ffa5258df8429d31772147/5D7D31A5/t51.2885-15/e35/62156167_1953058494800084_5234671219614754143_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.cdninstagram.com)

a two-year deal it is. Good to see him taking the step up again :cool

https://www.instagram.com/p/BykD6stIbW5/
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 11, 2019, 11:30
#iam Simon Pellaud --> #androni Androni Giocattoli - Sidermec
The UCI rule about "no signings before 1 August" isn't worth the paper it's written on ...
:S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 11, 2019, 12:06
The UCI rule about "no signings before 1 August" isn't worth the paper it's written on ...
:S

as far as I understand the rules, they don't apply for PCT teams signing conti riders though (unless Androni applied for a WT license, which I don't think they did)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 11, 2019, 13:21
as far as I understand the rules, they don't apply for PCT teams signing conti riders though (unless Androni applied for a WT license, which I don't think they did)
So the rule applies to WT teams signing anyone for next year, ProConti teams signing riders who are already on a pro deal for next year, but not to Conti teams signing non-pros for next year?
:fp :S :dizzy :cheesy
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on June 11, 2019, 16:08
From what the team is doing, it appears to be principally global growth that is the objective: they hire riders from all over the world, if only they are good enough. However, I think they have money for that, and then some. «Then some» as in somewhere they´ve piled two big mountains of cash marked «For Simon»  and «For Adam», just because what really seems to be missing in their plans are the next generation British GC winners (make that Tour de France GC winners, nothing else really matters).

I´ll take it as far as to speculating that in the contract negotiations with Ineos someone might have said: «if you throw in an extra 20 million or so we will see what we can do about getting the Yates twins to sign on for 2021.» Unless either 1) another British young rider appears as the next big thing 2) Mitchelton gets more sponsors with deeper pockets, I think the question is «when» not «if» the brothers will join Sky. If anything, they seem like more of a match now then they were when they shocked the British cycling establishment, by not joining Sky in the first place.

On the point of signing both of the Yates twins has Sky/Ineos policy changed policy regarding a rider who has been sanctioned for a doping violation? If it hasn't already been relaxed is Simon Yates a rider worth changing it for.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 11, 2019, 18:27
So the rule applies to WT teams signing anyone for next year, ProConti teams signing riders who are already on a pro deal for next year, but not to Conti teams signing non-pros for next year?
:fp :S :dizzy :cheesy

nah, it's not that easy :P

A transfer period exists and applies to all changes of team, whether between two UCI WorldTeams or between a UCI WorldTeam and a UCI professional continental team. [...] A UCI WorldTeam or licence applicant may only recruit riders during the transfer period. For the purposes of this article «recruit» shall be deemed to mean concluding a contract with a rider to ride for the UCI WorldTeam or licence applicant’s team.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 12, 2019, 00:23
nah, it's not that easy :P

A transfer period exists and applies to all changes of team, whether between two UCI WorldTeams or between a UCI WorldTeam and a UCI professional continental team. [...] A UCI WorldTeam or licence applicant may only recruit riders during the transfer period. For the purposes of this article «recruit» shall be deemed to mean concluding a contract with a rider to ride for the UCI WorldTeam or licence applicant’s team.
Note to the UCI: It's not a 'transfer period' (from August onwards) if the actual transfer only becomes effective several months later (in January). It's just a stupid, pointless rule that apparently doesn't even extend to all 'transfers'.
Good bloody grief.

In any case, this rule ought to preclude any 'recruiting' of a rider for the following year (like Pellaud for 2020 by Savio) outside this poorly-named 'transfer period' (which is 1 August-31 December).
The rule may be written extremely convolutedly, but the fact of it remains: Pellaud's new pro contract (or indeed Nibali's #trek signing) wasn't allowed to be announced until the beginning of August, and the fact that they were announced could be grounds for fining the riders and teams involved:
Riders and UCI WorldTeams [or UCI professional continental teams] may not reveal that they are involved in negotiations about transfers outside the transfer period. Upon complaint by a prejudiced team or any third party with a legitimate interest, the rider is liable to a fine of CHF 2,000 and the UCI WorldTeam [or UCI professional continental team] to a fine of CHF 5,000.

... but only if a 'prejudiced team or any third party with a legitimate interest' lodges a complaint. :fp

Oh for flip's sake, UCI. You're lining up hoops for people to jump through just for the sake of watching them jump through, and then, once they've jumped through all the hoops, you dismiss them with something that feels like a "talk to the head" reaction.


My problem here isn't the rule itself (though it could damn well be written in a less legalese and more understandable way).
It's the fact that
a) nobody gives a flip about the rule, and
b) the UCI doesn't give a flip about nobody giving a flip about the rule.
If you don't enforce stuff like this, how can you be expected to enforce more important rules? :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 12, 2019, 07:39
In any case, this rule ought to preclude any 'recruiting' of a rider for the following year (like Pellaud for 2020 by Savio) outside this poorly-named 'transfer period' (which is 1 August-31 December).
The rule may be written extremely convolutedly, but the fact of it remains: Pellaud's new pro contract (or indeed Nibali's #trek signing) wasn't allowed to be announced until the beginning of August, and the fact that they were announced could be grounds for fining the riders and teams involved

Nibali, for sure. But in Pellaud's case, I don't see a problem. Conti riders can be signed at any time anyway, Savio could hire him to get on the ship tomorrow if he likes to.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 12, 2019, 10:13
Nibali, for sure. But in Pellaud's case, I don't see a problem. Conti riders can be signed at any time anyway, Savio could hire him to get on the ship tomorrow if he likes to.
Yes, he could - but he didn't.
It's a contract from 2020 onwards. That qualifies as 'recruiting', doesn't it? And that's only allowed in the transfer period for WT and ProConti teams. The rule doesn't say that this only applies to riders already on a pro deal.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 12, 2019, 10:19
The rule doesn't say that this only applies to riders already on a pro deal.

as it says "between two UCI WorldTeams or between a UCI WorldTeam and a UCI professional continental team", I'd think it does
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 12, 2019, 13:24
as it says "between two UCI WorldTeams or between a UCI WorldTeam and a UCI professional continental team", I'd think it does
Whichever it is (and I'm beyond caring at this point), I think we can all agree that the rule is written to be the exact opposite of clear-cut and easily understood. :angel
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: M Gee on June 12, 2019, 15:45
Whichever it is (and I'm beyond caring at this point), I think we can all agree that the rule is written to be the exact opposite of clear-cut and easily understood. :angel
:lol
Well, that depends on who's reading the rule! Ask a lawyer! ;)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 15, 2019, 17:53
https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/john-degenkolb-op-weg-naar-lotto-soudal/

Der John -----------> #lotto ?

I put in a ? , but they say it's virtually done. Interesting move anyway.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 17, 2019, 12:00
https://www.hln.be/sport/wielrennen/koers-kort-laat-evenepoel-wk-voor-beloften-schieten-quick-step-dreigt-twee-kopstukken-kwijt-te-geraken~a9835694/

Viviani ----------> #cofidis ?

This seems even more unlikely than the Quintana to Arkea deal.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 18, 2019, 08:31
According to today's Het Nieuwsblad, Viviani will make a decision where to ride next year this week. Lefevere is flying to Switzerland today to talk to him and both would like to keep working together, but not at all costs - and apparently it's a "monster bid" from Cofidis (who also want to sign Sabatini btw).

Quickstep on the other hand has spent basically all money on Alaphilippe, and Lefevere says he is fine with Hodeg, Jacobsen and potentially the "new Viviani", #seg Alberto Dainese (I guess that's more or less a confirmation that he will join #deceuninck) taking over the sprint duties
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 18, 2019, 10:23
apparently it's a "monster bid" from Cofidis (who also want to sign Sabatini btw).
They're just repurposing the money that's now spent on Bouhanni, I guess. :P
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 18, 2019, 10:31
They're just repurposing the money that's now spent on Bouhanni, I guess. :P
partly at least, but I don't think 1.5 million a year (which Bouhanni currently gets at Cofidis) would be considered "massive". A couple of weeks ago Gazzetta reported that Bora had offered him 2 million
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 18, 2019, 20:21
https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1141041654566129665
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 20, 2019, 05:32
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1141387757203443713

Hermans + Van Kessel -----------> #total ?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 20, 2019, 18:33
https://twitter.com/EFprocycling/status/1141716198498848768

Rutsch ----------> #ef
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 20, 2019, 22:07
Rutsch ----------> #ef
Decent signing, not too expensive. The typical JV neo-pro. :P

By the way, @DieZiege3 (https://twitter.com/DieZiege3)'s Twitter account is so new that it's obvious what happened: His new team told him he has to have one, so he made one and connected it to his Instagram account (where he is fairly active).
:D
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 20, 2019, 23:32
#katusha Direk Demol says many of their riders don't have a contract for 2020, so there'll be plenty of changes, and the first priority will be to build up a strong classics team around Nils Politt.

Apparently Zakarin is likely to stay as well though, and they are also looking for a sprinter to replace Kittel

https://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_115657.htm
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 21, 2019, 06:38
#katusha the first priority will be to build up a strong classics team around Nils Politt.
Obviously. They'd be idiotic if they didn't. ;)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 21, 2019, 07:34
yeah, but I can't see that many options on the market, to be honest.

Azevedo could bring #movistar Nelson Oliveira on board maybe, and Demol may still have some links to Trek, so guys like Felline or Mullen could be an option... or would Degenkolb work for Politt?! With the semi-German focus, he would the perfect choice of course
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on June 21, 2019, 12:14
Nils Politt
Laurens de Vreese
Marco Haller
Jens Debusschere
Jasha Sütterlin
Nelson Oliveira
Mads Würtz Schmidt

It would not be a bad team for a Paris Roubaix.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 21, 2019, 14:13
https://twitter.com/TeamUAEAbuDhabi/status/1142040536922148864
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 21, 2019, 19:08
https://www.hln.be/sport/wielrennen/hoger-bod-van-ineos-haalt-het-niet-benoot-bijna-van-sunweb~a57024cd/

Benoot ------------> #sunweb ?

Could be a bit of a culture shock for him. Going from summer camp to borstal.

The article also talks about Matthews possibly leaving Sunweb.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 22, 2019, 08:46
would Degenkolb work for Politt?! With the semi-German focus, he would the perfect choice of course
LOL, no.
Degenkolb demands top billing.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 24, 2019, 09:13
https://twitter.com/zdenekstybar/status/1143052180494213120
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 24, 2019, 09:20
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1143013627340972032

Martin --------------> #groupama or #cofidis ?

He has got a contract with Wanty for next year, but there is a get out clause if a WT team comes in with an offer and Wanty can not match it.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on June 25, 2019, 07:05
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1143013627340972032

Martin --------------> #groupama or #cofidis ?

He has got a contract with Wanty for next year, but there is a get out clause if a WT team comes in with an offer and Wanty can not match it.

Also, his contract might have a clause that if the Wanty management becomes senile he should be allowed to leave. In the Dauphiné, they demanded that sick riders should finish the race in order to be in contention for the Tou de France selection. 3 mountain stages with a fever and you can be pretty sure they won´t be able to perform at the level required in the TdF.

(See also: «Dimension Data», «Algarve», «Virus», «Spring Classics», and «Total failure in main season objectives»).

After the “complete the Dauphiné or no TDF”  the sick riders continued for one more stage before 3 of the sick riders DNFˋed anyway. The management seems to have backed off. Some of the sick riders are selected for TdF now, but this attitude from team management in 2019 from a 95 year old team manager should make any rider with serious ambitions look for the door immediately, as nothing good is going to come from it.  :angry
Consider how #mitchelton withdrew Yates from a very likely podium, on the last day, and #jumbo Kruijswijk leaving the race: any ser teams don’t compromise TDF goals for a day in the Dauphiné.
Get out Guillaume!  :cool
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 25, 2019, 07:40
well, Eiking is someone who seems to be sick every second week, so they probably just wanted to test his limits to "suffer through" before having him abandon the Tour after 5 days. Kruijswijk and Yates on the other hand are there to win the race, so that's difficult to compare.

It's a very oldschool approach for sure, but I don't think it's a too unusual one.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 25, 2019, 09:29
After the “complete the Dauphiné or no TDF”  the sick riders continued for one more stage before 3 of the sick riders DNFˋed anyway. The management seems to have backed off. Some of the sick riders are selected for TdF now, but this attitude from team management in 2019 from a 95 year old team manager should make any rider with serious ambitions look for the door immediately, as nothing good is going to come from it.  :angry
We all know that Van der Schueren is Hilaire-ious. ;)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 27, 2019, 08:43
https://twitter.com/MitcheltonSCOTT/status/1144140406873088007

Peak ----------> #mitchelton

He'll also ride as a stagiaire with the team from August.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: AG on June 27, 2019, 10:37
so with Gilbert being left home for the Tour - with a start in Brussels that he would have been a chance at yellow for ...   and with his main goal next season being MSR where Quickstep will be backing Alaphilippe ...

where is Gilbert going to go?

Lotto ????
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 27, 2019, 11:25
so with Gilbert being left home for the Tour - with a start in Brussels that he would have been a chance at yellow for ...   and with his main goal next season being MSR where Quickstep will be backing Alaphilippe ...

where is Gilbert going to go?

Lotto ????

https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1144097915096449024

Lots of options. JSG got his guess in about Arkea in the "Connect the Dots" thread just in time.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on June 27, 2019, 11:26
Het Nieuwsblad reports that going back to Lotto or Groupama are options for him, yeah. Also Arkea, Cofidis and Dimension Data are interested.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: AG on June 27, 2019, 12:19
well he is very good friends with both Lotto and FDJ managers so I would have put those up there first ...

FDJ was his first pro team and he left on exceptionally good terms, he had just outgrown their budget at the time.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on June 28, 2019, 08:47
https://twitter.com/MitcheltonSCOTT/status/1144140406873088007

Well that's not going to happen

Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on June 28, 2019, 13:52
Well that's not going to happen
And some huge gaps, too! :o

He can still win the road race, though.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 29, 2019, 18:25
Dunh Dunh Dunh!

https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/06/29/1561754715/john-degenkolb-lotto-soudal-tom-dumoulin-sunweb

Dumoulin ---------> ???

Quote
In the Sunweb house there are troubled waters: the management of the Tom Dumoulin case (the fall at the Giro, the stunted recovery, the knee cleaning surgery and the renunciation of the Tour) left a very heavy mark. Something broke, in short, and it doesn't seem to be just the knee of talent ...

The Dutch champion is seriously considering a change of scenery: this is not an easy operation because there has already been a long extension of the contract, but Tom seems to be determined and is seriously considering an important choice for his future.

And of course some of the strongest teams in the world have begun to straighten their ears ...
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 03, 2019, 07:30
#unox Tobias Foss on his second training camp with #jumbo
so that's the first 2019 --> 2020 rumour then?  :angel
It's got to start somewhere :D

Confirmation of the first post in the thread.

https://twitter.com/JumboVismaRoad/status/1145981505639976960

Foss ------------> #jumbo

I was reading a while back that JJ and Larsen had also been on Jumbo training camps recently. Might they only been at Uno-X for a short visit?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 03, 2019, 09:09
I was reading a while back that JJ and Larsen had also been on Jumbo training camps recently. Might they only been at Uno-X for a short visit?
It's not at all unlikely.
Uno-X, even as a ProConti team, appear to be some kind of unofficial #jumbo farm team. It remains to be seen whether the team develops an ambition to keep a hold on its best riders and move up with them instead of passing them on to WT teams at the earliest opportunity.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on July 03, 2019, 14:38
https://www.hln.be/sport/wielrennen/hoger-bod-van-ineos-haalt-het-niet-benoot-bijna-van-sunweb~a57024cd/

Benoot ------------> #sunweb ?

Could be a bit of a culture shock for him. Going from summer camp to borstal.

The article also talks about Matthews possibly leaving Sunweb.

https://teamsunweb.com/michael-extends/

also Haga and Bol stay till the end of 2021 at least
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 04, 2019, 19:49
https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/ciclomercato/ciclomercato-2020-anche-diego-rosa-alla-arkea-samsic/

Rosa -----------> #arkea ?

I'd have rather seen him back with Gianni, but hey-ho.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on July 05, 2019, 00:26
It's not at all unlikely.
Uno-X, even as a ProConti team, appear to be some kind of unofficial #jumbo farm team. It remains to be seen whether the team develops an ambition to keep a hold on its best riders and move up with them instead of passing them on to WT teams at the earliest opportunity.

Hang on, it’s not exclusively #jumbo, and it is not always at the first occasion. Remember #unox Andreas Leknessund, the other great talent that all Norwegians talk about, is off to #sunweb - but not for next year, it is for the year after that, the 2021 season.

With 2 of Norway’s greatest talents at Sunweb, maybe you understand why I am a bit hung up on all the rumours about that team lately.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 06, 2019, 10:08
http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-route-apres-bouhanni-le-malaise-de-hofstetter-chez-cofidis-84495.html

Hofstetter -----------> ???

Thinking about it now, the Viviani transfer made this a likely outcome. Going by the interview, the final nail was the non-selection for the TDF and a lack of communication from Vasseur. Already signed for a new team......I can think of one obvious destination.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 06, 2019, 11:43
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1147445471008477186

Cort --------> #ef ?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 08, 2019, 08:17
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1148077304645607424

https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1148080217178681344
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 08, 2019, 23:43
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/06/29/1561754715/john-degenkolb-lotto-soudal-tom-dumoulin-sunweb

Dumoulin ---------> ???

https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1148225344853422080
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on July 09, 2019, 08:53
(tbc) #ineos Kenny Elissonde --> #trek Trek Segafredo

https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/07/09/1562617532/trek-segafredo-kenny-elissonde-vincenzo-nibali-dario-cataldo-movistar
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 10, 2019, 05:25
https://twitter.com/Pelote_/status/1148766210433196032

Offredo -----------> #academy ?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on July 10, 2019, 07:56
some still officially "to be confirmed" stuff from the press today:

#movistar Nairo Quintana
#wilier Dayer Quintana
#movistar Ruben Fernandez
#movistar Winner Anacona
--> #arkea Arkea Samsic

#roompot Stijn Steels --> #deceuninck Deceuninck Quickstep

#cofidis Hugo Hofstetter --> #academy Isreal Cycing Academy
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 11, 2019, 09:54
Offredo -----------> #academy ?
#cofidis Hugo Hofstetter --> #academy
They really want that Tour wildcard, don't they. :angel
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 12, 2019, 21:14
They really want that Tour wildcard, don't they. :angel

I haven't got time to do a proper post on the possible Katusha licence buyout (maybe on Monday!), but these two transfers smack more of a PCT wildcard team than a bona fide WT team going to the TDF.

If they want to be a decent WT level team then the four or five new signings, on top of the 10 Katusha riders of very variable quality + 15(?) Geeeeeeks, will need to be of a different level to this. Ideally with a couple of real marquee signings that can compete straight away.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Salad Dodger on July 12, 2019, 21:37
Nobody on Carapaz to Ineos yet - a pretty decent replacement for Poels  #sunweb

De La Cruz must be out at  #ineos

Expecting Carapaz Bjerrg Campanaerts Pollit and Pidcock in - Poels Ellissonde Rosa De La Cruz and maybe kiriyenka to retire

Anybody see anything else likely?

Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 14, 2019, 19:56
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1149983361458495488

Harper ---------> #jumbo ?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 14, 2019, 23:30
Harper ---------> #jumbo ?
He's been riding really well lately, stepping up from "decent Conti rider" to "wins everything with a mountain stage".
Good scouting by #jumbo, would be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on July 15, 2019, 13:16
from Het Nieuwsblad today:

(tbc) #androni Mattia Cattaneo --> #deceuninck Deceuninck Quickstep
(tbc) #astana Davide Ballerini --> #deceuninck Deceuninck Quickstep

and #bora Sam Bennett (if he signs, which apparently is likely) would also bring Shane Archbold with him.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: PedroMonteiro on July 15, 2019, 17:29
The market of the week is the return of INEOS:

Signings: Carapaz, McNulty, Bjerg, Campanaerts, Pidcock, Hayter and Donovan

Departures: Poels (Sunweb), De La Cruz (Movistar), Elissonde (Trek), Rosa (Androni), Kiryienka, Knees and Golas (Retired).

The substitutions would be something like:
Poels --> Carapaz
De La Cruz --> McNulty
Elissonde --> Donovan
Rosa --> Hayter
Kiryienka --> Bjerg
Knees --> Campanaerts
Golas --> Pidcock

Departure of some of the team's older athletes and entry of a lot of youth.

In BOLD I put what for me is the best in the comparison.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 16, 2019, 07:38
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1151013112906231809

I had thought with the rumours of Dumoulin joining that Roglic might be on the way out, but it seems not.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 17, 2019, 07:31
https://twitter.com/TeamDiData/status/1151115177460457474
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on July 17, 2019, 10:27
seems like the #wanty odd Eiking himself feels more happy with his choice of team than T-72 does ;)

http://wanty-gobert.be/en/content/odd-eiking-two-more-seasons-wanty-gobert

In other news, #trek Edward Theuns got a new two year deal with his team as well, according to Het Nieuwsblad. With John Degenkolb leaving Trek, he'll step up to a more important domestique's role (for Stuyven and Pedersen) in the spring classics :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on July 18, 2019, 17:41
Rumor has it the Rohan Dennis may be leaving  #bahrain.  :lol

https://twitter.com/SammyHeraldSun/status/1151857208923025408
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 18, 2019, 23:38
Rumor has it the Rohan Dennis may be leaving  #bahrain.  :lol
And remembering his 2014 mid-season transfer, it might be sooner than expected. :shh
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 19, 2019, 07:36
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/07/19/1563478913/trentin-tour-de-france-numero-rosso-ccc

Trentin ----------> #ccc ?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: M Gee on July 19, 2019, 18:18
Rumor has it the Rohan Dennis may be leaving  #bahrain.  :lol

https://twitter.com/SammyHeraldSun/status/1151857208923025408
In his weekly email shout, the "Secret Pro" over at Cycling Tips puts Dennis's performance down to a major hissy fit. If that is indeed the case, I have to think he'll have a hard time finding a good berth elsewhere, since this would be the 2nd time that we are aware of.

That would be a real shame, as he is well-liked by the fans. But spoiled brat behavior coming out - well, like I said, a real shame.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 20, 2019, 08:17
Stephen Bassett -----------> #wildlife

This is according to PCS. Can find no confirmation of it anywhere else.

Shame that no-one bigger took a chance on him, but he'll have a chance at Utah to showcase his ability.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 20, 2019, 13:45
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/07/20/1563478942/movistar-mikel-landa-enric-mas-cataldo-villella

Landa to stay with Movistar and not join Bahrain?

Bahrain could be much weakened next year as a GC team. Nibali off to Trek, Dennis isn't happy and Landa might not sign.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 22, 2019, 09:21
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1153170651571793922

Ardila -----------> #astana ?

He won't be at l'Avenir due to a knee injury.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on July 22, 2019, 16:46
(tbc)

#riwal Alexander Kamp
#riwal Andreas Stokbro
--> #trek Trek Segafredo

https://www.procycling.no/ekstra-bladet-trek-segafredo-snuser-pa-dansk-duo/
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 23, 2019, 08:15
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1153515192845832193

Dainese -----------> #sunweb ?

The earlier rumour was him going to Deceuninck. They'll still need another sprinter, so the chances of Bennett heading there are increasing.

https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1153546330377244672

Quarterman -------> #trek ?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 25, 2019, 20:02
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1153170651571793922

Ardila -----------> #astana ?

https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1154423849833979906

Make that #uae
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 29, 2019, 11:39
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/07/29/1564388737/total-bonifazio-damiano-cima

Damiano Cima --------> #total ?

Bonifazio was the sole ray of light for the team at the Tour, so it's only right that he gets some specific helpers.

Other areas need strengthening as well. Calmejane and especially Taaramachine were garbage the past three weeks. Money is available if we believe the Alaphilippe and Kristoff rumours from earlier in the season, but I haven't seen any big (or otherwise) climbing names linked with the team.

https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/07/29/1564388416/cofidis.-con-viviani-e-sabatini-consonni?

Consonni ----------> #cofidis

I thought he'd done okay on occasion as Gaviria's last man. Richeze will do that next year.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on July 30, 2019, 16:10
Wow. Ok, then...

https://twitter.com/nealrogers/status/1156211929943166981

Had this even been part of the rumor mill? :slow

Does this explain Quintana's decision?

Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 30, 2019, 20:15
Had this even been part of the rumor mill? :slow

Katusha merging with someone has definitely been on the table, but I don't think I've seen Arkea linked with it until today.

https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1156272686651387904

Hubert says it's not true.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on July 30, 2019, 22:40
Hubert says it's not true.

Indeed. Interesting how quickly things oscillate in this day-and-age.

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1156237144945516546

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1156246248506216448
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 31, 2019, 09:51
#katusha #arkea would be one of the strangest mergers in cycling ever.
There is next to nothing in terms of common identity between the two - one is a multinational hodgepodge grown out of a Russian-German team, the other a very French team with a few selected foreigners.

I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on July 31, 2019, 12:07
I'll believe it when I see it.

It sounds to me like you just don't want to make another kit smiley.  :P

You'd also think that it wouldn't be so difficult for someone like Neal Rogers to confirm such a story before actually reporting on it.  :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Joan on July 31, 2019, 15:26
A merger is necessary as the sale of a WorldTour licence to a third party isn't easily possible.
I expect the Katusha riders to be released if required and a Politt moves to  #deceuninck
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 01, 2019, 19:39
https://twitter.com/CyclismeMercato/status/1156971951820300289

Martin ----------> #total ?

https://twitter.com/procyclingno/status/1156929655070494721

Halvorsen ----------> #ef ?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Servais Knavendish on August 01, 2019, 20:33

"According to @lequipe, Irishman Daniel Martin would like to leave   :lol @TeamUAEAbuDhabi to join the ranks of the French team @TDE_ProCycling".

Martin ----------> #total ?




Was it the energy drinks fiasco or just the sheer shame of the white shorts kit...

Although in the fashion stakes not sure Dan's black overshoes at the TDF, giving him something of a DM boot wearer look was necessarily the best sartorial choice...



Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 01, 2019, 23:04
Martin ----------> #total ?
He started his career at #pomme VC La Pomme Marseille, so he should be reasonably proficient in French.

This isn't as outrageous a rumour as it might look at first sight.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 02, 2019, 20:51
https://twitter.com/TeamUAEAbuDhabi/status/1157347020765638656

https://twitter.com/CCCProTeam/status/1157229734423609344

Some confirmations.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 02, 2019, 21:08
https://twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/1156795778649788416

Jumbo could get a bad rep if they make this contract breaking a habit.

I don't know the ins and outs of Dutch law, but this particular "genie" could come back to bite them. What's to stop riders on their own team getting their heads turned by a large wage increase after a good performance or a disgruntled rider seeing a quick exit to greener pastures?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: AG on August 03, 2019, 01:32
yeah it isnt a good precedent to be setting.    Not for a team, and not for a rider either.  If you cannot be trusted to abide by the terms of a contract that you signed, who is going to sign you again?  What are contracts going to be worth?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 03, 2019, 02:17
If you cannot be trusted to abide by the terms of a contract that you signed, who is going to sign you again?  What are contracts going to be worth?

Remember when Wiggins was signed to Garmin-Slipstream at the time of Sky's formation?

JV was not a happy camper at Bradley's request to leave, especially since he had just had his TdF breakout year with Garmin in 2009 when he was 4th at Le Tour.

:slow
Sept 18, 2009
Vaughters says Wiggins not going anywhere (https://www.velonews.com/2009/09/news/vaughters-says-wiggins-not-going-anywhere_97954)
Quote
Despite reports to the contrary, Garmin-Slipstream team manager Jonathan Vaughters says Bradley Wiggins will continue to ride in blue-and-orange argyle in 2010. Responding to a story in Friday’s edition of the British newspaper The Guardian that described a Team Sky buy-out of Wiggins’ contract with Garmin for 2010, Vaughters told VeloNews via email, “It’s just untrue. There is no agreement in existence like this.”
-----------------

 :shh
Nov 22, 2009
Bradley Wiggins is still our man, say Garmin, denying he has signed for Sky (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/nov/22/bradley-wiggins-team-sky-garmin)
Quote
Bradley Wiggins's team, Garmin-Slipstream, have denied a report that the Englishman has signed for Team Sky.

L'Equipe, the French sports newspaper, claimed on Saturday that the new British team's lengthy pursuit of Wiggins has finally paid off, with a deal done ahead of the first Sky training camp, which begins in Manchester today.

However Jonathan Vaughters, the Garmin general manager, said the report is untrue. "Brad has a contract [with Garmin] for 2010," he told Cycling Weekly. "That is my statement. If [L'Equipe] has such a great source, they should reveal him or her."
------------------

 :angry :lol
Dec 10, 2009
Vaughters confirms possibility of legal action led to Wiggins settlement (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-confirms-possibility-of-legal-action-led-to-wiggins-settlement/)

Quote
Confirming the perception that Garmin-Transitions was pressured into allowing Bradley Wiggins to move to Team Sky, Jonathan Vaughters has said that the desire to avoid a long legal battle was behind today’s announcement that the Briton has moved on.

Quote
“On a personal level, I am very disappointed to see Brad go,” Vaughters said. “Fourteen months ago, I was the only one knocking on his door and the only one who felt that he could go above and beyond where he was in cycling.”
Quote
Once it was announced that Sky was setting up a pro team, it was likely that Wiggins would leave at some point. However it was expected that he would see out his time with Garmin; UCI rules are clear that riders cannot simply walk away from existing contracts.

However, as those regulations are potentially subservient to national employment laws, it means that the rules are not as clear-cut as they seem.

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/nintchdbpict000307248682.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1200&h=800&crop=1)

(https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/06/vaughterswiggins-1-920x572.jpg)

Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 03, 2019, 18:37
https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1157689776620916736
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 03, 2019, 23:53
exactly the type of rider they need! :cool

:fp
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 04, 2019, 09:49
If SHE, Minali and Barbier are out the door at the end of the year then it shouldn't be too much of a problem, but that is not guaranteed - we don't know what contracts the latter two signed.

On the other hand I'd be happy to keep Raim and Avila. Edwin for the exotic races and while Mihkel has had a poor season, he's got enough brownie points in previous years to earn another deal.

exactly the type of rider they need! :cool

:fp

They need a lot of different types.

A GC rider who can TT
A puncheur
A dedicated final guy for Cimolai/Hofstetter
Deeper strength in the classics team
More climbers in general are good
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 05, 2019, 08:39
confirmed now:

#roompot Stijn Steels
#cofidis Bert van Lerberghe
--> #deceuninck Deceuninck Quickstep

https://www.deceuninck-quickstep.com/en/news/4060/deceuninck-quick-step-sign-steels-and-van-lerberghe

van Lerberghe said he will take a role in the leadout train for Jakobsen and Hodeg. I think we can also regard that as confirmation that Viviani is definitely leaving the team.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 05, 2019, 10:54
#wiggins Gabriel Cullaigh --> #movistar Movistar Team

https://movistarteam.com/en/2019-08-05/gabriel-cullaigh-signing

 :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 05, 2019, 14:41
https://twitter.com/Bahrain_Merida/status/1158321415071948801

Quote
Monday, 5thAugust – BAHRAIN MERIDA Pro Cycling Team is proud to announce that Mikel Landa, one of the world’s top professional riders, will be wearing the team’s jersey from 2020. The Basque climber, a proven force in the mountains, will be a major contributor to our stage race objectives.

Odd choice of a promo photo. Different country, different activity... :slow  :D
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 05, 2019, 15:47
probably the only one they had without a Movistar shirt :D

The first of the Nippo riders found a new home as well:

#nippo Giovanni Lonardi --> #bardiani Bardiani CSF

https://www.bardianicsf.com/wp/en/lonardi-monaco/

well deserved, after all the good results earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Joelsim on August 05, 2019, 16:05
You’d have thought Cofidis would have learned not to put all their eggs in one basket with a sprinter, wouldn’t you?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 06, 2019, 09:29
https://twitter.com/TeamUAEAbuDhabi/status/1158367116527046656

Double U23 TT WC and only twenty.

Am I allowed to feel a bit disappointed though in what he's done the past couple of years at Hagens Berman? For such an engine I would have been expecting him to be a bit more active on non-TT days as well.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Joelsim on August 06, 2019, 10:49
You’d have thought Cofidis would have learned not to put all their eggs in one basket with a sprinter, wouldn’t you?

Albeit on this occasion, it’s appears they aren’t putting all their eggs in one basket case.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 06, 2019, 18:31
https://twitter.com/AG2RLMCyclisme/status/1158776512163790850

https://twitter.com/AG2RLMCyclisme/status/1158774995348316165

https://twitter.com/AG2RLMCyclisme/status/1158773455564750848

More confirmations. This means at least one of Warbasse, Baggy and Denz will leave.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on August 06, 2019, 23:31
You’d have thought Cofidis would have learned not to put all their eggs in one basket with a sprinter, wouldn’t you?

Or, they had one of the best sprint trains (certainly at pro conti level but also better than most WT teams) lacking a sprinter. Ignoring Bouhanni´s personality and his ´team within the team´ setup,  involving high salaries for his family members etc, let´s not forget that he has been less than half the man he used to be after the Yorkshire crash. If he had behaved a little differently, maybe his tragedy and suffering would have been more visible, but Bouhanni surely chose to live by the sword.

The team is just replacing the broken piece in an excellent machine, the way I see it.  :slow
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 07, 2019, 11:16
You’d have thought Cofidis would have learned not to put all their eggs in one basket with a sprinter, wouldn’t you?

#wanty Guillaume Martin --> #cofidis Cofidis, Solutions Crédits

https://www.equipecofidis.com/fr/actualites/2019-08-07/guillaume-martin-un-grand-talent-chez-cofidis
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 07, 2019, 18:15
By the way: Where does Bouhanni go?
Has any team anywhere given any indication that they'd be interested in signing him?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on August 07, 2019, 20:19
By the way: Where does Bouhanni go?
Has any team anywhere given any indication that they'd be interested in signing him?

I thought there were rumours of him going to Arkea.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on August 07, 2019, 20:24
https://twitter.com/TeamUAEAbuDhabi/status/1158367116527046656

Double U23 TT WC and only twenty.

Am I allowed to feel a bit disappointed though in what he's done the past couple of years at Hagens Berman? For such an engine I would have been expecting him to be a bit more active on non-TT days as well.

Sorry for going off topic but does anyone know if he is going to have another go at the Hour Record this year? He did sometime in october in 2017 and 2018 so wondered if he was again this year.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on August 08, 2019, 00:59
Sorry for going off topic but does anyone know if he is going to have another go at the Hour Record this year? He did sometime in october in 2017 and 2018 so wondered if he was again this year.

He has said previously that he would make another attempt, but after the World Championships. I'm guessing that if he performs well in Yorkshire, we'll see another run at the Hour Record in the weeks following.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 09, 2019, 08:03
https://twitter.com/TeamSunweb/status/1159404145511686144

Nice signings for the future, but where's the experienced riders to help Dumoulin straight away......of course he might not be staying.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 09, 2019, 09:50
Nice signings for the future, but where's the experienced riders to help Dumoulin straight away......of course he might not be staying.
https://teamsunweb.com/welcome-jasha-nico/ (https://teamsunweb.com/welcome-jasha-nico/)

Jasha Sütterlin #movistar --> #sunweb
Nico Denz #ag2r --> #sunweb
(both on two-year contracts)

They are more experienced than the other three, and would be of more help to Dumoulin ... but they're not exactly signings that make you go 'wow'.
Feels more like they were signed because they were German and available. ;)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on August 09, 2019, 10:38

Jasha Sütterlin #movistar --> #sunweb
Nico Denz #ag2r --> #sunweb
(both on two-year contracts)

They are more experienced than the other three, and would be of more help to Dumoulin ... but they're not exactly signings that make you go 'wow'.
Feels more like they were signed because they were German and available. ;)



Take into account that they are not just signing riders, they develop them too, and you have seen that Leonard Kämna may be able to deliver some of that "wow" you and Dumoulin are looking for. (You know him better than me, but he was quite impressive in the Tour and I don't know if you saw that.)

I thought #bora had already won the battle for the "German WT team" status and you need someone on the Ackermann / Schachmann / Emu level to take back that badge. "Available, and German"  domestiques won't do that.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 09, 2019, 11:01
it's an interesting development indeed. How did the (probably) biggest German talent available end up with #ccc CCC though?!

#tirol Georg Zimmermann -> #ccc CCC Team

https://cccteam.eu/news/georg-zimmermann-set-to-turn-professional-with-ccc-team/
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 09, 2019, 11:16
Meanwhile, Cofidis is becoming more and more Italian:
Simone Consonni #uae --> #cofidis

https://twitter.com/TeamCOFIDIS/status/1159758719351214080
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 09, 2019, 13:24
Ilnur Zakarin #katusha --> #ccc

https://twitter.com/CCCProTeam/status/1159802366079770624
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 12, 2019, 08:07
with immediate effect:

#tarteletto Jelle Mannaerts --> Hubo-Titan Cargo

same as Floris Gerts (who was fired by the team last week: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gerts-fired-by-tarteletto-isorex-and-considering-legal-action/ ) Mannaerts complained about the quality of the equipement at Tarteletto:

Those Zannata bikes are definitely not rideable. As a cycling tourist you may still be able to do your thing with it, but in the peloton this material is completely under par. The framework is simply way too stiff [?! "Het kader is gewoonweg veel te stapen plooit zelfs bij een stevige inspanning"]. At a certain moment I was too fed up with it and started to ride a different bike on my own initiative. That was of course not allowed. I didn't argue about it like Floris Gerts, but I was allowed to leave the team after a conversation. In any case, I know that more or less all team mates complained about the bikes, but that they did not dare to talk about it with fear of being fired.

For the moment he has only signed with Hubo till the end of the year, but is in talks with the team about 2020 as well.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 13, 2019, 14:03
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1161244332197892096

https://twitter.com/AstanaTeam/status/1161200186447880192
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 14, 2019, 09:36
https://twitter.com/MitcheltonSCOTT/status/1161554745858887681

Leftfield transfer of the year.

https://twitter.com/Movistar_Team/status/1161548009244520448

A change of scenery is good for Villela as he's stagnated the past few seasons and never quite lived up to the promise from his early days.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 14, 2019, 11:51
Leftfield transfer of the year.
Definitely one of the weirder matchups. :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 14, 2019, 11:59
#lotto Tiesj Benoot --> #sunweb Team Sunweb

https://teamsunweb.com/welcome-tiesj/

well, let's hope he'll focus on the classics
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 16, 2019, 18:30
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1162223039892709380

https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1162361809430601729

https://twitter.com/Movistar_Team/status/1162260090050600960
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 16, 2019, 18:34
https://twitter.com/deceuninck_qst/status/1162296545754198016

https://twitter.com/VitalConcept_BB/status/1162251358470193152

The right decision to stay?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 16, 2019, 18:35
https://twitter.com/TeamWantyGobert/status/1162329621804830721

https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1162226845577666561
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 19, 2019, 08:48
https://twitter.com/TeamSunweb/status/1163342072360947712
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 19, 2019, 08:52
....and one from yesterday.

https://twitter.com/TeamWantyGobert/status/1163056498806796289
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 19, 2019, 12:56
It's officially official:
Tom Dumoulin #sunweb --> #jumbo

https://twitter.com/JumboVismaRoad/status/1163411537136115712
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 19, 2019, 15:17
And another big name move:
Philippe Gilbert #deceuninck --> #lotto

https://twitter.com/Lotto_Soudal/status/1163454442810859521
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 20, 2019, 11:15
https://twitter.com/CCCProTeam/status/1163722428578766849

Some nice signings by the team.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 20, 2019, 12:16
yeah, some good signings indeed. #astana Hirt was rumoured to join the team as well earlier on this year.

He was now taken out of Astana's Vuelta team as he won't stay with the squad (and lined up for Plouay instead :dizzy), so they don't seem to be splitting on exactly good terms

https://www.idnes.cz/sport/cyklistika/jan-hirt-rozhovor-silnicni-cyklistika-astana-vuelta-2019.A190819_140514_cyklistika_tm2

His destination isn't confirmed yet, but back to CCC sounds logical
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 21, 2019, 09:14
Lennard Kämna (https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/pressemeldungen/mit-lennard-kaemna-gelingt-bora-E28093-hansgrohe-die-verpflichtung-einer-weiteren-deutschen-zukunftshoffnung-/173181913) #sunweb --> #bora
He's signed a 2-year contract.

At this rate, who's left at Sunweb? :P
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 21, 2019, 10:13
The *dk group at Trek grows further:
Alexander Kamp #riwal --> #trek

https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1164100112693571585

Good for Kamp to (finally) get a chance at the highest level. :cool
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 22, 2019, 20:17
https://twitter.com/BTulett98/status/1164592367682433024

https://twitter.com/Lotto_Soudal/status/1164449005541167104
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: M Gee on August 23, 2019, 15:37
https://twitter.com/TeamSunweb/status/1163342072360947712
Ya gotta say, that's pretty classy of Sunweb. And Tom.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: M Gee on August 23, 2019, 15:38
. . .

https://twitter.com/Lotto_Soudal/status/1164449005541167104
Looks like  #deceuninck should have some competition in the Classics next year.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 23, 2019, 18:07
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/08/23/1566570751/marco-canola-gazprom-rusvelo

Canola ----------> #gazprom ?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 26, 2019, 08:41
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/08/26/1566804202/androni-giocattoli-sidermec-jefferson-cepeda

Cepeda ----------> #androni

He prefers Alexander. It will certainly avoid confusion with his cousin at Caja.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 26, 2019, 10:02
I don't know if L'Equipe had this angle to the story as well (you needed to subscribe to see it all), but further to the "Acquadro getting Ineos to select DLC for the Vuelta" news.

https://elpais.com/deportes/2019/08/24/actualidad/1566674751_856479.html

The reason DLC hasn't got a team for 2020 is because Unzue and Acquadro had a big falling out over Carapaz this year. Movistar thus want nothing to do with the agent, but that comes at a price as he represents a lot of the riders they wanted to sign - DLC, Óscar Rodríguez, Carlos Rodríguez, Alex Aranburu and Sergio Samitier.

Not good for Movistar, but not good for Acquadro's riders either.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 26, 2019, 18:55
#wallonie Emīls Liepiņš --> #trek Trek Segafredo

https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1165988030357786624

He was struggling to find a new team last year when #onepro folded, and now he is in the WT. Very cool! :cool
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 26, 2019, 22:33
I like the news, but the video is :fp
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 26, 2019, 22:58
oh, I didn't even watch it. You should have known better as well :D
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 27, 2019, 09:22
I like the news, but the video is :fp
It is better than that fake 'conversation' the team had with Trek Bikes two years ago when they announced Degenkolb. Not least because it doesn't take as long.

But that is a very low bar. :P
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 27, 2019, 14:41
#androni Matteo Pelucchi --> #bardiani Bardiani CSF

I guess Guardini may need to look for a new team then

https://www.bardianicsf.com/wp/en/pelucchi/
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 27, 2019, 15:21
yeah, some good signings indeed. #astana Hirt was rumoured to join the team as well earlier on this year.

He was now taken out of Astana's Vuelta team as he won't stay with the squad (and lined up for Plouay instead :dizzy), so they don't seem to be splitting on exactly good terms

https://www.idnes.cz/sport/cyklistika/jan-hirt-rozhovor-silnicni-cyklistika-astana-vuelta-2019.A190819_140514_cyklistika_tm2

His destination isn't confirmed yet, but back to CCC sounds logical

#astana Jan Hirt --> #ccc CCC Team

confirmed now

https://cccteam.eu/news/jan-hirt-set-to-race-for-ccc-team-from-2020/
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Flo on August 27, 2019, 15:41
Michel Ries *lu #kometa and Juan Pedro Lopez *es #kometa will ride for #trek Trek for the next two years.
Exciting news :cool
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Salad Dodger on August 27, 2019, 23:00
Poels Capecch Eisel and Cavendish all to Bahrain??? #bahrain  #bahrain  #bahrain #bahrain
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 28, 2019, 20:52
https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1166774403524452352

 :)

He's had some good days this year, but a fair few disappointing ones as well. Needs more consistency going forward.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Flo on August 29, 2019, 12:39
I didn't see it myself, but apparently Alberto Contador interviewed #ineos DS Zandio on Spanish Eurosport. Two main points:

1 He congratulated him with the signing of Carlos Rodriguez, 18-year old boy from the Kometa junior team. He's a big talent, but IMO too young to step up to World tour and definitely with a team like Ineos who could ruin him. His agent... is the notorious Acquadro, who was also responsible for the Sosa drama :-x
2 He said 5 riders of the 2019 Fundación Contador teams will ride at WT level in 2020: we know of Lopez and Ries to #trek , now also Rodriguez to #ineos has been more or less confirmed. There were also rumors that Stefano Oldani had signed a contract with #lotto ... Which leaves 1 more, and I have no clue who that would be. Marton Dina *hu could be a possibility, as could Antonio Puppio.

Of course, I'm not discounting the possibility that he meant 5 riders from the project in the WT, which would of course include Mas and Moschetti. We will see... :shh
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 30, 2019, 18:44
https://twitter.com/TeamCOFIDIS/status/1167346216117637122
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on August 30, 2019, 19:42
 :yum
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 02, 2019, 12:54
https://twitter.com/Arkea_Samsic/status/1168448569608683520

Quintana? On one hand it would be good timing with him being in the Vuelta lead, but is it the proper signing etiquette to announce the transfer mid-race?

The only other thing it could be is a (denied by Hubert) merger with Katusha.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 02, 2019, 13:30
Quintana?

I don't even understand the Tweet. Is 15 H suppose to mean something?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 02, 2019, 14:04
I don't even understand the Tweet. Is 15 H suppose to mean something?

Announcement/Press Conference at 15:00 (ie. now).

https://twitter.com/Arkea_Samsic/status/1168509199267106816
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 02, 2019, 14:24
Announcement/Press Conference at 15:00 (ie. now).

Still too cryptic. What does it mean?


I kid!  :lol

It seems like such bad form to do this in the middle of the GT though. Such an unnecessary distraction, especially for a team already mired in such things.
 :shh
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 02, 2019, 14:50
https://twitter.com/Arkea_Samsic/status/1168518992543277056

Quote
I was looking for a team in which I was going to be happy.  :-x
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 02, 2019, 15:31
And they signed some support riders for Nairo as well:
Diego Rosa #ineos --> #arkea
Dayer Quintana #neri --> #arkea
Winner Anacona #movistar --> #arkea

https://twitter.com/Arkea_Samsic/status/1168512030514585600
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: AG on September 03, 2019, 01:35
Interesting choice


and will be interesting to see how this plays out in this Vuelta - with Quintana in red !!!    Poor form from rider and team
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: rote_laterne on September 03, 2019, 21:49
I'm not exactly sure Barguil will back Quintana 100 %. Also why is Diego Rosa like family to Quintana?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 04, 2019, 08:07
https://twitter.com/RusveloTeam/status/1168886255658184705

...and in case anyone missed it.

https://twitter.com/TeamINEOS/status/1168554685546074113
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on September 04, 2019, 08:53
https://twitter.com/RusveloTeam/status/1168886255658184705

they also signed #katusha Kuznetsov btw. And #nippo Canola was confirmed

http://rusvelo.team/newriders2020
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on September 04, 2019, 09:04
#lotto Adam Hansen --> ?

according to today's Het Nieuwsblad, he'll leave Lotto and join an "Asian project"
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 04, 2019, 10:00
#lotto Adam Hansen --> ?

according to today's Het Nieuwsblad, he'll leave Lotto and join an "Asian project"
Would Nippo Marseille Provence qualify as an "Asian project"? :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 04, 2019, 17:36
https://twitter.com/RallyUHCcycling/status/1169277590894469120

L'Avenir might have been a bit of a reality check for Zuk after his string of great results on the other side of the Atlantic.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on September 04, 2019, 18:02
Would Nippo Marseille Provence qualify as an "Asian project"? :S
I don't know. He always said that he was doing all the Grand Tours because it allowed him to stay at home with his families (in Czech Republic) for a longer time than usually in between, so I can't really see him ending up at Nippo, nor at a "real" Asian team - unless it's just for some part time racing in China, where the season is fairly short anyway.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 04, 2019, 18:11
The last person he followed on Twitter was Oscar Pujol. Was he getting the lowdown on Team UKYO from him?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 09, 2019, 05:38
https://twitter.com/LaBicicletaNews/status/1170788266242654214

I did post something much earlier in the thread about him renewing with Jumbo, but I think that was a verbal agreement.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 09, 2019, 17:26
I did post something much earlier in the thread about him renewing with Jumbo, but I think that was a verbal agreement.

Just when it appears that they've been able to assemble the right team around him at #jumbo.

Might explain the current alliance in the Vuelta as being more than just national pride, too.

Rog-Pog 2020?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 09, 2019, 19:31
.......but no mention of Bahrain as a possible destination. They are (or were - Dark Side?) the team with a bigger Slovenian connection.

Anyway.....

https://twitter.com/TeamDiData/status/1170954903096832000

A cynic might say that he actually hasn't improved at all since his Caja days, but he did have some decent cobble results this year. Still, it's a bit of a strange one.

Joining him at NTT is Gogl.

https://twitter.com/Cicloweb_it/status/1171103148334878727

Dombro ---------> #uae

Matxin must see something that I don't. Okay, twelfth at the Giro this year, but what's his role gonna be in the team? He's not much of a dom.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 10, 2019, 19:07
https://twitter.com/CajaRural_RGA/status/1171317898528415744

 :cool
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Flo on September 11, 2019, 17:35
Stefano Oldani *it #kometa to #lotto, which I posted about a week or two ago, is confirmed now. An unusual signing for them, but it could be a great move. He's a very complete, allround rider.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 11, 2019, 20:19
All these transfers out make the step-up to PCT more and more unlikely. Has there been a single rumour about anyone joining them?

Fancellu will probably step up from the club team. Following on from the Uno-X Weekend thread, he's had a lot of success in those races that the Dare Devo team were at. Had a good Worlds last year as well.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 11, 2019, 20:23
https://twitter.com/TeamDelko_MP_/status/1171794707489447936

Another good signing for Delko. Just need to get Arashiro on board now.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 13, 2019, 18:40
https://teamsunweb.com/welcome-nils-felix-martin/

Eekhoff + Gall + Salmon ----------> #sunweb

While the average age of Dimension Data is pushing 40, Sunweb are going the other direction. As somebody once said though "You can't win anything with kids"........as it turned out, he was wrong.

https://twitter.com/AstanaTeam/status/1172422720761389057

Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Flo on September 13, 2019, 20:37
All these transfers out make the step-up to PCT more and more unlikely. Has there been a single rumour about anyone joining them?

Fancellu will probably step up from the club team. Following on from the Uno-X Weekend thread, he's had a lot of success in those races that the Dare Devo team were at. Had a good Worlds last year as well.

Yeah, with all of their biggest talents leaving to WT it seems unlikely they'll step up to PCT this year. Still, not too long ago Berto shared a photo of him, his brother and Basso with the caption "work in progress 2020". So who knows.

Fancellu would be a good candidate to step up. Ropero has been very solid as well especially in the second half of the season. They'll probably pick up a couple from the Italian U23 scene like in previous years.

But they'll lose at least 4 riders, and I have to wonder if some of the older guys, the Fundación Contador originals, will hang around (Camacho, Canton, Lopez). Camacho was out of U23 already this year, and the other two will be out of U23 next year. Surely at some point it's over for them, even though it is unfortunate.
By the way, I think Camacho could be a good domestique in a team like Murias or Caja. He has a really big engine, but unfortunately has no real stand out results.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 14, 2019, 05:37
https://twitter.com/TeamWantyGobert/status/1172579367895150592

Not sure what's going on at Total. Both of these riders were linked heavily with them and with Total's money we were expecting big transfers (rumours of Kristoff and Alaphilippe earlier in the year), but so far it's Van Gestel, Manzin and Julien Simon.

https://twitter.com/EFprocycling/status/1172575295926177792
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 16, 2019, 18:12
https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1173642870076706816

https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1173598904257892353
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 17, 2019, 18:05
https://twitter.com/deceuninck_qst/status/1173989435614085121

 :cool
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Flo on September 17, 2019, 22:16

https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1173598904257892353
Le Petit :flo
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 18, 2019, 07:48
https://twitter.com/SpazioCiclismo/status/1174206981177061376

He's had a good year. Consistent as well.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on September 18, 2019, 09:29
yeah, good to see him stepping "up". Neri wants to continue next year (and apparently two new sponsors are interesting in getting on board) but that team looks likely to be even worse in 2020.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 18, 2019, 11:56
https://twitter.com/TeamDiData/status/1174264427375452162

Hmmmm it won't look good for NTT (the sponsor) if these "moneyball" signings turn out to be not worthy of a WT contract.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 18, 2019, 12:58
Hmmmm it won't look good for NTT (the sponsor) if these "moneyball" signings turn out to be not worthy of a WT contract.

Quote
“Our ability to leverage the industry-leading technology at our disposal from our partners at NTT is a game changer. We have employed a rider dashboard analysis system that takes all riders points per race days and their win ratio over a time period across the whole UCI calendar which resulted in Benjamin, Dylan and Andreas being identified."

Do they ride fast?
Do they possess good bike handling skills?
Can they stay healthy?

"industry-leading technology"

I think the Old Guard used to call that the Tour de l'Avenir

I also wonder how that cutting-edge technology of theirs would've assessed Chris Froome? :slow
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 18, 2019, 16:26
Hmmmm it won't look good for NTT (the sponsor) if these "moneyball" signings turn out to be not worthy of a WT contract.
I can vouch for Stokbro and Dyball, they have the level required for the WT. Don't know much about Dylan Sunderland.

But having the level required is only the first step.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 18, 2019, 20:30
The "industry leading technology" sounds a lot like a simple spreadsheet calculation.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 22, 2019, 07:31
https://twitter.com/directvelo/status/1175537712935387138

Grondin --------> #arkea

One of the jewels of Total's devo team goes to a rival. Bonifazio is rumoured to be leaving the main team as well.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 23, 2019, 07:27
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1176014388748267520

Zero race days in 2019 according to First. :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 23, 2019, 10:44
Zero race days in 2019 according to First. :S
I've seen him in a race!
Dropped on the final stage of the 2013 Giro della Regione Friuli-Venezia Giulia. :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 23, 2019, 11:04
http://kometacyclingteam.com/el-andaluz-sergio-garcia-primer-fichaje-del-kometa-cycling-team-de-cara-a-2020/

Garcia ----------> #kometa

Quote
The Cádiz cyclist Sergio García becomes the first new face of the Kometa Cycling Team for next season, the third continental adventure campaign for the Alberto Contador Foundation

We can take it as read then that no PCT.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 23, 2019, 11:06
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1176073953485492224

Search's info was good. :shh
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 23, 2019, 15:43
https://twitter.com/EFprocycling/status/1176143064919732225

No return to Mitchelton after all.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 24, 2019, 08:50
https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1176399295538454528

Another rider that's not heading to Total.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 24, 2019, 14:05
https://twitter.com/Arkea_Samsic/status/1176469808835125248

 :cool

https://twitter.com/RusveloTeam/status/1176472005111091200

The Giro wildcard battle is hotting up.

Androni vs Bardiani vs E-Powers vs Gazprom for, in all likelihood, just two spots.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 25, 2019, 08:08
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1176725210529243136
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 25, 2019, 16:38
Another rider that's not heading to Total.
The Giro wildcard battle is hotting up.

Androni vs Bardiani vs E-Powers vs Gazprom for, in all likelihood, just two spots.
Have Colnago upped their sponsorship in return for all these Italians?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2019, 08:41
Have Colnago upped their sponsorship in return for all these Italians?

Dunno, but a lot of their kit and equipment does come from there. Colnago, Campagnolo, UYN (kit) and Limar (helmets). Their training base is in Italy.

They've made some good signings and it looks like Cherkasov should be able to fill Vlasov's homegrown boots.

Looking at it sportingly they could probably field a better 8 man team than Bardiani (despite their own raft of signings), but that doesn't equate to a wildcard pick. They may have to pay for it or hope that the one auto-wildcard (Wanty, Total or Corendon) turns down the race. I don't think Wanty would, but Total with their problems and rumours of Bonifazio leaving might. Corendon would almost certainly not race it.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2019, 08:44
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1177108527820746752

https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1176845064712216576

What's the special story then? T-72?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 26, 2019, 08:54
What's the special story then? T-72?
He was with the team (and it's virtual predecessor Ringeriks-Kraft) 2016-2018 already, but had a heavy training crash in mid-2018, colliding with a car, and suffered several injuries. He said himself he was "lucky to survive", and it wasn't clear if he could continue cycling.
He sat out the 2019 season, but now appears to be back to cycling - and his old team.

https://www.nrk.no/telemark/stortalentets-sykkelkarriere-kan-vaere-over-1.14156487 (https://www.nrk.no/telemark/stortalentets-sykkelkarriere-kan-vaere-over-1.14156487)

https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1024314359630229505
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2019, 15:55
https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/van-der-poel-heeft-er-drie-nieuwe-ploeggenoten-bij/

De Tier + Leysen + Vakoc (!) ---------> #corendon

I assumed Vakoc would extend with Deceuninck, but there you go.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2019, 17:37
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1177260413970526208
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 27, 2019, 10:03
Bjørn Tore Hoem #joker --> ???
Andreas Vangstad #joker --> ???

https://www.procycling.no/hoem-vangstad-forsvinner-joker/ (https://www.procycling.no/hoem-vangstad-forsvinner-joker/)

Both were apparently not offered a new contract, and are looking for a new team now.
Together with the retirement of Forfang, this significantly weakens #joker - and doesn't bode well for the team's future.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 27, 2019, 10:17
https://twitter.com/TeamDelko_MP_/status/1177510448708501505

They're becoming Africa's Real Team. :cool
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 28, 2019, 09:54
Lars Michaelsen (sports director) #astana --> #didata NTT

https://africasteam.com/michaelsen-assumes-new-head-sports-director-role-with-team-ntt (https://africasteam.com/michaelsen-assumes-new-head-sports-director-role-with-team-ntt)

This will be a blow to the *dk section at Astana - without the Danish DS, I see the Danes not getting any preferential treatment anymore when it comes to being (re-)signed.
Fuglsang is good enough on his own, but Gregaard will have to perform in 2020 to be offered a new deal. Maybe, if #astana don't want him anymore, he can return to #riwal in time for the 2021 Danish Grand Départ ... :shh

On the other hand, I can see NTT signing more Danes in the next couple of years. They have Valgren (ex-Astana) and Stokbro already (Bak retires), others may be added.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 28, 2019, 10:37
https://twitter.com/TeamSVB/status/1177859926670151680

Some very lean times for Sport Vlaanderen. Zero wins for two seasons. No continental dominator since 2015 (Theuns). No outgoing transfers who have gone onto bigger and better things since that crop of 2015 (De Gendt might buck that trend).
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 28, 2019, 11:39
More #unox news:
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1177242568779845632
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1177545607763890178
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1177849495696097281

That brings the team to 19 riders, and of the current squad only Sindre Kulset and Iver Skaarseth haven't been re-signed or announced as leaving.

They may still bring on someone - #academy Sondre Holst Enger is rumoured, and maybe #joker Hoem or Vangstad could be of interest as well - but I don't expect more than one or two extra riders.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 29, 2019, 16:34
Welp...  :-x

https://twitter.com/Bahrain_Merida/status/1178328028667138048

Hmmm. Link seems to be dead. :slow

Nope. Must've just been a lot of traffic.  :D

Not much there anyway.


Quote
September 2

TEAM BAHRAIN MERIDA terminates contract with Rohan Dennis

Team Bahrain Merida Press   |   Press

The team terminated its contract with Mr Dennis on 13th September 2019.
This termination has not previously been made public to allow Mr Dennis an undisturbed preparation for the UCI 2019 Road World Championships.

Mr Dennis has referred the termination to the UCI Arbitral Board.
Against this background, no further comment will be made at this time.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 29, 2019, 17:42
Morten Hulgaard #coloquick --> #unox

https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1178330210313424896

Probably replacing Casper Folsach who has to pause his career because of heart problems.
Hulgaard is rider no. 21 already as Iver Skaarseth has apparently quietly been re-signed (at least according to CQranking).
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on September 29, 2019, 21:23
More #unox news:
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1177242568779845632
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1177545607763890178
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1177849495696097281

That brings the team to 19 riders, and of the current squad only Sindre Kulset and Iver Skaarseth haven't been re-signed or announced as leaving.

They may still bring on someone - #academy Sondre Holst Enger is rumoured, and maybe #joker Hoem or Vangstad could be of interest as well - but I don't expect more than one or two extra riders.

Iver Skarseth is signed as a neo-pro for 2 years (check your own post for info  :P )

I seriously doubt Holst Enger is the guy they are looking for if they are kicking Skjerping for lazyness and bad influence....even if Holst Enger is one of Kristiansen´s favorite students,  he is rumoured to have a bit fluctuating motivation (perhaps the result of having a rollercoaster ride of health problems and illnesses, that can of course affect motivatioan more than just a little).
If Skjerping isn´t dedicated enough and Holst Enger not structured enough then I don´t know who they are looking for that is not already under contract but still good enough to capture beacuoup UCI ranking points.  More likely they have their eyes on some developing Norwegian or Danish young riders?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 29, 2019, 21:27
Iver Skarseth is signed as a neo-pro for 2 years (check your own post for info  :P )
I should read more closely. :fp

I don´t know who they are looking for that is not already under contract but still good enough to capture beacuoup UCI ranking points.  More likely they have their eyes on some developing Norwegian or Danish young riders?
I think that's it then. 21 riders is plenty for a first-year ProConti.[1]
 1. Actually going to be called ProTeam from next year ... let's see if that catches on.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on September 29, 2019, 21:35
Morten Hulgaard #coloquick --> #unox

Their main tactic for next year is to create total names confusion: Hoelgaard, Hoelgaard and Hulgaard

(Yep, the difference is more in the spelling than in the pronounciation...)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 30, 2019, 17:19
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1178658708026470401

So Cataldo and Pedrero are gonna be the only experienced mountain doms at Movistar in 2020? I like Pedrero (ex-Inteja and all that), but he can't do the work of 4 or 5 riders and you can't rely too much on the neos.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 01, 2019, 07:51
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1178923583420211200
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 01, 2019, 11:13
Makes sense. The team gets a rider with WT experience, SHE gets a team to continue his career.
And #riwal gets a bigger *no contingent! :cool

NB: The signing hasn't been officially confirmed yet, but that's probably a matter of course.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 01, 2019, 20:53
https://twitter.com/Arkea_Samsic/status/1179048514363559936
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 01, 2019, 21:55
Greipel going to a French PCT - and without his trusted lieutenant Sieberg! - didn't feel right from the beginning.

Greipel says he'll announce something about 2020 in early November - I wouldn't be surprised if he joined Sieberg at #bahrain.
Though that would possibly bring him back together with Cav, too ... :shh


In other news, #unox have now also signed a Danish sports director to go with their half-dozen Danish riders:
https://twitter.com/UnoXteam/status/1178910528892276736
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 02, 2019, 07:24
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1179244862618689538

Dutchies ---------> #riwal

Some good riders they've picked up.

The article also talks about the Dutch parent company of Riwal examining the possibility of getting onboard with the team.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 02, 2019, 09:06

Though that would possibly bring him back together with Cav, too ... :shh


Now that is interesting...

I wondered if it was a season on the track with UK cycling to pitch for a Tokyo spot for Cav; but perhaps BM use their limitless funds to sign a slew of sprinters; in fact all the worlds sprinters; then bench them all bar Cav in July, allowing him to coast to 5 stage wins; before heading out east to seal his legacy... could happen... :D
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 02, 2019, 14:01
https://twitter.com/Arkea_Samsic/status/1179380572373835777
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 02, 2019, 19:10
Israel Cycling Academy to  to take control of the Katusha team and join World Tour in 2020 (https://www.facebook.com/515137875256442/posts/1937323359704546?sfns=mo)

Quote
According to the agreement, the Israeli team will race in the World
Tour under the existing Katusha license, which is being renewed for the next three years.

The transaction is, of course, subject to UCI approval of the license renewal in the normal course of business.

The Israeli team will use its traditional blue and white uniforms provided by Katusha branded apparel under a new sponsorship agreement.

So how does this fulfill the original mission statement of the team? :slow

[Maybe it's just me, but any sort of official announcement that takes place through Facebook—from anyone, about anything— always seems to carry about as much weight as advertising a local bake sale. YMMV]

https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1179427691910615041
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 02, 2019, 21:28
Israel Cycling Academy to  to take control of the Katusha team and join World Tour in 2020 (https://www.facebook.com/515137875256442/posts/1937323359704546?sfns=mo)

So how does this fulfill the original mission statement of the team? :slow
Well, they do move to the highest level of the sport.
But yes, like with #mtn -> #didata, it feels like the team and its mission won't be the same anymore.

[Maybe it's just me, but any sort of official announcement that takes place through Facebook—from anyone, about anything— always seems to carry about as much weight as advertising a local bake sale. YMMV]
It's not just you; I don't 'get' it either. It just feels weird.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 03, 2019, 09:31
Israel Cycling Academy to  to take control of the Katusha team and join World Tour in 2020 (https://www.facebook.com/515137875256442/posts/1937323359704546?sfns=mo)

So how does this fulfill the original mission statement of the team? :slow

I can't actually find what the original mission statement was, but it probably boiled down to "developing cycling in Israel" which obviously it still will be doing and riding in the Tour (whatever you think of it) can only help that.

Since it inception in 2015 though there have been other missions which have come and gone as the team has going through various changes. In it's first year the team had a link with Peter Sagan and thus the development bit was extended to include Slovakia (and Poland). That only lasted a year and the next one was about cyclists from non-traditional cycling countries getting a chance. Finally with Sylvan Adams (and his money) getting on board, that led to the current mission about getting the team (and Israeli riders) to the Tour. Outside of the Israeli and Canadian riders, the nationality focus now (if there is any) is more about having a melting pot of numerous countries.

The World Tour team is only the tip of the iceberg though in what the team and Adams is doing to promote cycling in Israel. They have the link up with Cote d'Armor to enable young Israeli riders to "get their heads kicked in" on the roads of France. There are not one, but two devo squads. They have scholarship programs for young coaches, there are eight cycling schools, Adams paid half the money to build a velodrome in Tel Aviv and I'm probably missing out a few things in addition to that.

All the above doesn't guarantee success of course and my worry now is that the gap that the homegrown riders will have to bridge might be too big. They'll have to retain quite a few of the smaller .1 raced in their program and in future years a proper CT devo team might not go amiss.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 07, 2019, 10:42
the first of the expected Japanese guys to get on board at the new Nippon Delko:

Masahiro Ishigami --> #delko Nippo - Delko - Marseille-Provence

https://teamdelkomarseilleprovence.com/ishigami-masahiro-premiere-recrue-japonaise-pour-2020/

Interesting that they are going for a youngster instead of one of the more experienced #nippo guys, but Ishigami currently (for the third year) is racing for the French A.V.C. Aix-en-Provence club team, so it probably makes a lot of sense
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 09, 2019, 08:52
https://twitter.com/Arkea_Samsic/status/1179048514363559936

According to Het Nieuwsblad, #corendon Corendon-Circus, #dimension Dimension and another unnamed team are interested in signing the Gorilla.

Given the German Canyon bikes and the potential interest of Alpecin joining in as a sponsor, Corendon would probably make the most sense.

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20191008_04652966
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 09, 2019, 09:19
He could actually get a decent train at Corendon, but I can't help feeling that he'd be better off forgetting sprints, or at least not totally focusing on them, and instead look at slightly tougher classics or even getting in breaks (was it in Luxembourg a few years back he had some great breakaway action on hilly days?).
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 09, 2019, 09:52
yeah, I think (well, I hope) that he has realized that meanwhile.

A couple of days ago Corendon said that they would try to get into the Vuelta next year btw
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 09, 2019, 10:00
I think that's it then. 21 riders is plenty for a first-year ProConti.[1]
 1. Actually going to be called ProTeam from next year ... let's see if that catches on.
minimum team-size is 20 on from next year, so they can't go much lower
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 09, 2019, 14:26
He could actually get a decent train at Corendon, but I can't help feeling that he'd be better off forgetting sprints, or at least not totally focusing on them, and instead look at slightly tougher classics or even getting in breaks (was it in Luxembourg a few years back he had some great breakaway action on hilly days?).

Yes that makes a lot of sense - he seemed very down in temporarily signing off soc media last week- so will be good to see him back in more viable role in a new team - could be a decent autumn to his career.
 
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 10, 2019, 09:58
The Austrians are getting the band back together

#ccc Riccardo Zoidl
#cofidis Filippo Fortin
--> #felbermayr Team Felbermayr - Simplon Wels

https://rowery.org/2019/10/09/riccardo-zoidl-wraca-do-domu/

Both deserved a(nother) shot at higher level, but in the end a good continental team is probably were they belong
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 11, 2019, 19:57
https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1182618605831237632
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 11, 2019, 21:04
also #ef Sacha Modolo & #trek Gianluca Brambilla are rumored to join the team now

https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/ciclomercato/israel-cycling-academy-in-arrivo-gianluca-brambilla-e-sacha-modolo/

Modolo is a good guy, and could be a decent domestique for Politt in the cobbled classics, but tbh there's really no need at all to sign him
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 11, 2019, 21:51
I was trying to ignore that particular rumour thanks. :D
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 15, 2019, 07:40
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1179244862618689538

Dutchies ---------> #riwal

Some good riders they've picked up.

The article also talks about the Dutch parent company of Riwal examining the possibility of getting onboard with the team.

https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1183955853688356865

Havik signs up too. He had a seriously impressive win at GP Stad Zottegem back in August.

Vital, Wanty, NTT and ICA were interested as well.

In addition Asselman is in negotiation with the latter.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 16, 2019, 09:49
https://twitter.com/Bahrain_Merida/status/1184376822261276672
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 16, 2019, 13:42
https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1184412550735290368

Signings I like, but whether they are WT we'll have to wait and see.

For Vahtra the "plan is to use the Estonian as part of the team’s Sprint “train” in bigger races and give him a chance to win in smaller ones". The train is one area that definitely needed some attention.

Quote
Vahtra admitted that after he got the final confirmation that ICA will sign him, “ I could not sleep all night. It was the happiest day of my life”.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 18, 2019, 07:21
https://www.blitzen.co.jp/news/team/transfer2019-1018/ (https://www.blitzen.co.jp/news/team/transfer2019-1018/)

Atsushi Oka #blitzen --> #delko
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 19, 2019, 20:25
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1185556564016615424

Atapupu now linked with EPowers, but like so much with the team, nothing has been signed.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 21, 2019, 13:10
https://twitter.com/VitalConcept_BB/status/1186244273659961344

...and they should only have to pay him for the second year.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 21, 2019, 14:26
...and they should only have to pay him for the second year.
Is that said somewhere in the press release, or is it your interpretation of something?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 21, 2019, 14:34
He had a contract with Katusha for 2020 so IKA surely must still pay him this amount (or at the very least the shortfall between that and PCT minimum wage).
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 21, 2019, 14:57
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1186276574053752837

Beat makes sense from a track viewpoint and they do plan to go PCT in 2021, but I'm really surprised that higher level teams aren't beating a path to his door. I rate him really highly.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 21, 2019, 18:32
https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1186311450488389632

Hmmmm a more experienced upgrade on Schreurs would be one way of looking at it, but I don't see why Dempster/Boivin couldn't do the same role with the added bonus of them both being able to go for results themselves when the opportunity presented itself.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 21, 2019, 21:55
Hmmmm a more experienced upgrade on Schreurs would be one way of looking at it, but I don't see why Dempster/Boivin couldn't do the same role with the added bonus of them both being able to go for results themselves when the opportunity presented itself.
I guess Dempster and Boivin don't have as good an agent as Rory S. ;)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 25, 2019, 08:46
https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1187591891111559168
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 25, 2019, 08:50
they seem to be really struggling to find riders... or is it a massive lack of funds?!
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 25, 2019, 09:55
Yeah, they can't lay everything at the door of Acquadro. The vast majority of the signings for this year look like minimum wagers. They could be good riders a year or three down the line, but that's not going to help in 2020.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 26, 2019, 20:48
https://twitter.com/WSFR_Cyclisme/status/1188146453790760960

https://twitter.com/Lotto_Soudal/status/1188156084458004482
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 26, 2019, 21:09
ah, so no Blythe for Lotto then.

https://twitter.com/WSFR_Cyclisme/status/1188146453790760960

...and already confirmed for Sibiu 2020! :win
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 26, 2019, 21:40
https://twitter.com/ahmetorkenn/status/1188172691058106368

...and already confirmed for Sibiu 2020! :win

Is that with Sapura or just the National Team?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 26, 2019, 22:11
Sapura, confirmed on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/TurulCiclistAlSibiului
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 28, 2019, 10:22
https://twitter.com/procyclingno/status/1181913494129664001

It just hasn't worked out for him at ICA for whatever reason. We never saw a repeat of his Coop form. He seems philosophical about it all though and not overly worried about the future.

(tbc) #academy August Jensen --> #riwal Riwal Readynez

https://www.procycling.no/enda-nordmann-pa-vei-riwal/
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 28, 2019, 13:25
https://twitter.com/mihkelraim/status/1188799480939864065

#illuminate Martin Laas --> #bora Bora Hansgrohe

:o

https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/argonnews201910laas/argonnews201910laas/209034056
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 28, 2019, 13:40
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1186276574053752837

Beat makes sense from a track viewpoint and they do plan to go PCT in 2021, but I'm really surprised that higher level teams aren't beating a path to his door. I rate him really highly.

so does van Schip himself, by the sound of it ;)

“I’ve seen that BEAT has taken enormous steps by thinking differently and acting differently. It’s an approach that suits me well, and that’s why I think it’s great to be part of this ambitious club,” said van Schip. “I’ve made the Olympics my main goal for 2020, and together we will follow a targeted process to make sure I’m optimally prepared. In the run-up to the Games, and afterward, I want to show that I can ride super hard and that we can see everyone off in the finale.”

Van Schip concluded with an appeal: “I want to demonstrate what I can do next year and show that the big teams have it wrong. But I can’t do it alone, so I invite everyone to be a part of this. We need cycling enthusiasts who stand firmly behind us, partners who support our process and race organizers who help create a good program. What I really like is that all this comes together at BEAT, a club with a community, ambitious partners and a road team that’s growing quickly. With this team we hope to grow into the UCI ProSeries and participate in the top-level competitions in 2021, where BEAT and I belong.”


https://www.beatcyclingclub.com/blogs/news/welkom-jan-willem
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 28, 2019, 14:17
https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/argonnews201910laas/argonnews201910laas/209034056
By the way, I always :lol at how the #bora URLs somehow still include "argon", three years after getting a whole other co-sponsor.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: t-72 on October 28, 2019, 21:24
(tbc) #academy August Jensen --> #riwal Riwal Readynez

https://www.procycling.no/enda-nordmann-pa-vei-riwal/

 :cool

Good for him! Next task for #riwal Riwal is get into Le Samyn, he has a score to settle there...
(I know ICA is more famous and WT now but I think he's going to a team that is more consistent and has a clear role, and a race menu that will suit August quite well!)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on October 30, 2019, 09:53
also #ef Sacha Modolo & #trek Gianluca Brambilla are rumored to join the team now

https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/ciclomercato/israel-cycling-academy-in-arrivo-gianluca-brambilla-e-sacha-modolo/

Modolo is a good guy, and could be a decent domestique for Politt in the cobbled classics, but tbh there's really no need at all to sign him

according to today's Het Nieuwsblad, he now (as rumoured a couple of days ago) now has signed for Corendon:

#ef Sacha Modolo --> #corendon Corendon - Circus

makes sense, I guess. He can help van der Poel in the cobbled classics and get his chances in some sprints when Merlier is not around
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 31, 2019, 08:48
https://teamdelkomarseilleprovence.com/hideto-nakane-rejoint-lequipe-en-2020/ (https://teamdelkomarseilleprovence.com/hideto-nakane-rejoint-lequipe-en-2020/)

Hideto Nakane #nippo --> #delko

Third Japanese signing after Oka and Masahiro Ishigami (AVC Aix-en-Provence, #nippo stagiaire).
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 31, 2019, 19:01
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/10/31/1572527123/ungheria-governo-federazione-androni-kometa-marton-dina-erik-fetter

Dima + Fetter ------------> #androni ?

First time I've heard of transfers having to be okayed by governments. :S
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 31, 2019, 19:24
First time I've heard of transfers having to be okayed by governments. :S
One reason could be if the money for their wages comes from government funds (in some convoluted way).
But even so, it sounds strange: Surely if the new team agrees to fund their wages themselves, the government would have no say? This is Hungary, not North Korea.

Weird.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on November 04, 2019, 08:23
it seems to be some kind of deal between Kometa (Fetter has a contract with them for 2020), Androni and the Hungarian Cycling Federation (MKSZ), to secure some Hungarian participation in the Giro.

Apparently the MKSZ has big influence in the hand-out of one wildcard, so it sounds like Savio wants to play it safe

http://bikemag.hu/magazin/hirek/dina-marton-es-fetter-erik-az-androni-giocattoli-teamben-indulnak-a-2020-as-giro-ditalian
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on November 04, 2019, 18:08
It was just the wording of the initial TuttoBiciWeb article and the teams "submitting a request" for the transfer that was baffling.

Probably just a Google Translate inspired version of Chinese Whispers. Hungarian ----> Italian ---> English and some of the initial meaning gets a little lost.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on November 04, 2019, 19:59
Probably just a Google Translate inspired version of Chinese Whispers. Hungarian ----> Italian ---> English and some of the initial meaning gets a little lost.
Very likely that, yes. :D
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on November 05, 2019, 12:44
https://riwalcyclingteam.dk/the-team/team-news/james-shaw-signs-contract-for-2020-with-the-team

James Shaw #swift --> #riwal

Two years in the WT with Lotto Soudal, didn't get a new contract, returned to the UK to race for SwiftCarbon. 5th overall in Yorkshire this year. Good puncheur/climber, getting a second chance at the pro level.

Decent signing. Probably not the guy to get them much closer to a 2021 Tour wildcard, but definitely a good addition.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on November 05, 2019, 13:17
decent signing, yeah. If I had the choice, I'd have picked up Thwaites instead though, especially given the enormous amount of (mostly Belgian) semi-classics Riwal is usually participating in.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on November 05, 2019, 15:10
decent signing, yeah. If I had the choice, I'd have picked up Thwaites instead though, especially given the enormous amount of (mostly Belgian) semi-classics Riwal is usually participating in.
Good point. Maybe they're getting Thwaites too, just announced later?[1]

Though for chasing a Tour wildcard, getting someone who is at least slightly useful in the mountains makes sense. With Shaw, Lunke etc., they can go for some sort of result in an ASO stage race - Paris-Nice, Volta a Catalunya, Dauphiné - which is generally required before you're considered for a Tour invite.


In other news:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andre-greipel-joins-israel-cycling-academy/

Greipel #arkea --> #academy :o
Didn't see that one coming at all.
 1. Disclaimer: I'm only speculating here, I have no inside information
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: M Gee on November 06, 2019, 17:19
Stetina: this is a transfer, of sorts! Also a sponsorship thing, but I figured here was best.
Stetina chooses gravel over Worldtour (https://www.velonews.com/2019/11/gravel/peter-stetina-chooses-gravel-over-worldtour-road-racing_502502)
Some of you may recall I've mentioned watching the elder Stetinas race, back in the day. And, racing against one of them in a Masters Nats one year. Of course, I never got to actually SEE him that day, since he was in the front, and I was doing well to stay deep in the pack.

So, just like Phinney, I was enthused to see the latest generation of Stetinas take to racing. Unfortunately, he's mostly been domestique quality, but at least of the better sort. This announcement, though, could be a real signal of a shift in racing attention in the US. I would not be surprised, and would probably be interested, in seeing TV coverage of these gravel races. Follow Lachlan this past year, I thought, was good, overall, for the sport.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on November 07, 2019, 08:48
#bardiani Andrea Guardini --> #giotti Giotti Victoria

https://www.giottivictoriateam.com/news/2019/11/07/andrea-guardini-2020-con-la-giotti-victoria/

Giuliani was his DS at Farnese when he started as a neo pro in 2011, so this probably secured him a deal
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on November 07, 2019, 09:37
#bardiani Andrea Guardini --> #giotti Giotti Victoria

https://www.giottivictoriateam.com/news/2019/11/07/andrea-guardini-2020-con-la-giotti-victoria/

Giuliani was his DS at Farnese when he started as a neo pro in 2011, so this probably secured him a deal
Will the 2020 Sibiu Tour include a pan-flat stage consisting of laps on the wide boulevards? :D


Also, #bora have finally agreed (https://www.bora-hansgrohe.com/en/news/argonnews201911sambennettpressrelease/argonnews201911sambennettpressrelease/213575670) to let Sam Bennett go.
Arrival at #deceuninck imminent ...
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on November 07, 2019, 12:25
https://rowery.org/2019/11/07/petr-kelemen-zasili-ccc-development-team/ (https://rowery.org/2019/11/07/petr-kelemen-zasili-ccc-development-team/)
*cz Petr Kelemen --> #cccdevo

He's a sprinter type (his older brother Pavel is a world-class track sprinter), and still only 18 years old (turns 19 later this month).
Best result in his first U23 season was a 4th place on a stage of the Ronde de l'Isard, he also did Avenir with the #wcc WCC team.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on November 07, 2019, 18:14
https://twitter.com/SpazioCiclismo/status/1192356440398270464

Sbaragli --------> ???

Bit of a surprise. Not many big teams left with free slots. Trek? Movistar?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on November 07, 2019, 20:57
Bit of a surprise. Not many big teams left with free slots. Trek? Movistar?
It doesn't say that it'll be a big team (though it may well be). Could be a ProConti[1].
 1. They're called ProTeams now, Lukas, get used to it!
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on November 08, 2019, 08:35
https://teamdelkomarseilleprovence.com/hideto-nakane-rejoint-lequipe-en-2020/ (https://teamdelkomarseilleprovence.com/hideto-nakane-rejoint-lequipe-en-2020/)

Hideto Nakane #nippo --> #delko

Third Japanese signing after Oka and Masahiro Ishigami (AVC Aix-en-Provence, #nippo stagiaire).

...and #4 (and final):

#trek Fumiyuki Beppu --> #delko Team Delko Marseille Provence

https://teamdelkomarseilleprovence.com/fumiyuki-beppu-rejoint-le-team-en-2020/

he even terminated his contract with Trek to join Delko

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/beppu-leaves-trek-segafredo-a-year-early/

They keep on bringing the gang together btw, same as Goncalves and Jules, Beppu started his career with the team. Over the past years, it has not been an overly successful approach though
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: M Gee on November 08, 2019, 12:24
. . .
#trek Fumiyuki Beppu --> #delko Team Delko Marseille Provence
 . . .
One would guess he is in search of more amenable surroundings, then?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on November 08, 2019, 12:52
probably, yeah and I guess the Japanese sponsors were looking for a more high-profile signing as well, while he also didn't mind to get some chances for himself after ages of being a pure domestique.

edit: and Beppu still has the jersey from 2002 btw, so it seems to be a team somewhat close to his heart indeed ;)

(https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/75398084_2534557119992701_5818194747654668288_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQmXaD7-CctPuk8DDkN0gjQDSRKjYKZD2b6icSqsSxQDt-cLhxCJ1ch7CYbiEA3zYaU&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=1c4def0ca7fe80d5d7d3947f988c3e3b&oe=5E545EDC)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on November 11, 2019, 23:11
https://twitter.com/SpazioCiclismo/status/1192356440398270464

Sbaragli --------> ???

Bit of a surprise. Not many big teams left with free slots. Trek? Movistar?
It doesn't say that it'll be a big team (though it may well be). Could be a ProConti[1].
 1. They're called ProTeams now, Lukas, get used to it!

(tbc) #academy Kristian Sbaragli --> #corendon Corendon Circus

https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1193993380923158529
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on November 12, 2019, 08:54
My guess would be that the two-year bit of the deal swung it for Corendon because I can't believe that IKA didn't offer him some sort of contract after his late season showing (unless ofc he had signed before that run of form).

Anyway they're building a strong team. The rumours are that a couple of Brits will complete the team - Richardson and xxxxxx?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: mudplugger on November 12, 2019, 10:54
My guess would be that the two-year bit of the deal swung it for Corendon because I can't believe that IKA didn't offer him some sort of contract after his late season showing (unless ofc he had signed before that run of form).

Anyway they're building a strong team. The rumours are that a couple of Brits will complete the team - Richardson and xxxxxx?

Certainly appear to be bringing in more guys with experience at the top level. My information several weeks back, not named or confirmed,  was 1 from Jumbo, 1 from Quick Step, 1 from Sunweb, 2 from Roompot and 2 more Brits. Plus more recent discussion of Modolo and Sbaragli.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on November 12, 2019, 17:15
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1194299294800592896

My information several weeks back, not named or confirmed,  was 1 from Jumbo, 1 from Quick Step, 1 from Sunweb, 2 from Roompot and 2 more Brits.

Nothing is confirmed yet I think from the team, but the names that have been widely linked were De Tier, Vakoc, Vervaeke, Leysen and Riesebeek (which fits in with those teams). Townsend might just qualify as a "Brit" in their definition. He'd deserve a shot at a higher level.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Servais Knavendish on November 12, 2019, 20:44
 Tanfield   #katusha --->>>.   #ag2r
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on November 12, 2019, 22:51
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1194299294800592896
Tanfield   #katusha --->>>.   #ag2r

a bit obscure to see them heading to France (potentially, in Battaglin's case), but both are probably still paid by Makarov, so that would have raised interest of course
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on November 13, 2019, 12:09
Willie Smit #katusha --> #burgos

http://www.burgosproteam.com/willie-smit-fichaje-worldtour-para-el-burgos-bh/ (http://www.burgosproteam.com/willie-smit-fichaje-worldtour-para-el-burgos-bh/)
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Leadbelly on November 13, 2019, 14:36
https://twitter.com/velonews/status/1194617181448949761

This reeks of his agent trying to drum up interest and start a bidding war. 250k is cheap though even with the baggage.
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Joelsim on November 14, 2019, 14:22
If anyone hears any news on Savva Novikov could you let me know please?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on November 14, 2019, 14:43
in Romania he said that he hopes to get the chance to join Gazprom.

But I guess he may be just a bit too strong for them?! :P
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: Joelsim on November 14, 2019, 16:21
Did he say that recently? After his exceptional results?
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: LukasCPH on November 14, 2019, 18:23
https://nttprocycling.com/speechless-iribe-steps-up-to-the-worldtour-with-ntt-pro-cycling (https://nttprocycling.com/speechless-iribe-steps-up-to-the-worldtour-with-ntt-pro-cycling)

#champjp Shotaro Iribe #shimano --> #ntt

The quintessential sponsor's pick. He's the national champion of Japan, and NTT is headquartered in Japan. :shh
Title: Re: Mens' transfers and Rumors 2019-20
Post by: search on November 14, 2019, 19:26
Did he say that recently? After his exceptional results?

before winning Iran of course.

No idea if he really had spoken to anyone, Mihai asked him something along the lines of "off to Gazprom next year?!" and he said "I hope so"