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Title: Operation Aderlass
Post by: just some guy on March 03, 2019, 07:26

All news on the Austrian blood doping investigation






























https://www.twitter.com/inrng/status/1102106467660906497
Title: Re: Stefan Denifl blood doping confession
Post by: search on March 03, 2019, 08:11
by the look of it, it's a follow up of the Cross Country case, and (same as the two Austrian skiers) Denifl was a customer of Dr. Schmidt in Erfurt.

https://tirol.orf.at/news/stories/2967760/
Title: Re: Stefan Denifl blood doping confession
Post by: neppe on March 03, 2019, 10:31
The bio passport is working! No more blood doping in either skiing or cycling, the bio passport frontier. Now lets wait for the football and athletics small fish. Kommende Woche dürfte Skandal weiter eskalieren
Title: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: just some guy on March 04, 2019, 06:41
https://www.twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/1102455489969954816
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: search on March 04, 2019, 08:36
I just read the whole interview, and I think I would call in a confession ("Das Geständnis" is actually the headline of the article even  ;)).

Here are the key parts from it:

"There's no one forcing you to do it, but the pressures in sports is enormous. Every two years there's the contract cycle, not knowing whether you'll still have a job next year or not. You're starting to worry. And when hearing that everyone else is doing it as well anyway, at some point the inhibition threshold falls."

"In my case, it fell just recently. After thoroughly thinking it through, I decided to make this massive mistake"

"Living with the knowledge of cheating is like hell. I don't know how others manage to do this, I just had to go public now. I just couldn't stand it anymore"

"I was just stupid. It's like thimblerig. You see three guys winning all the time, and although you know that they are cheating, after some time you want to try it as well."

"I never did anything before, never cheated. My performances were quite good, and that's how these people get notice of you. They contact you and say things like 'at this and that race, everyone ahead of you was doing something', and that's were you start thinking about it: you do everything you can, check your food and everything, but in the end you're still the pranked one. At some point, enough is enough."

"Yes [, it was them who contacted me]. Yes, [it, is the same doping circle as in the Seefeld story]."

"I only did the blood sampling. But this alone is punishable. And in my opinion, even just being in touch with him, is an offence anyway. He [Dr Schmidt] is a well known person."

"No [, I don't know what effect it would have had]. But I image that it's massive."

"I don't know [if my name would have come up in the investigations], or to how extend the doctor covered things up. You don't get any information about the system itself. He is not a dumb guy, and doing this for many years. But I just couldn't sit at home and wait anymore, that's not how I am."

"I don't expect and sympathy, nor do I want it."

"The confession is both [a whitewashing, as well as an act out of conviction]. I din something wrong, and I want to be honest. It was the biggest mistake of my life."

"I can imagine that there's much more to come, it was a big, international [doping] network."

"It's very easy, completely automated. He comes to visit you at a place he thinks is suitable [which was not in Erfurt nor at my home in Graz], Full service, you could say."

"I'm expecting the worst now, I have lost all credit."

[About facing a four year ban]: "My career is over now, no matter what. When I read about the Seefeld stuff in the media, I immediately knew that I'll never have anything to do with elite sports again. My intention was never to become a pro by the way. At some point, I just slid into it."

"Not everyone is doping of course. But the next weeks will show what's up."

"Yes [, my achievements in sports was attained clean], and I'm proud of that. But that's exactly how those people take notice of you."

"There was always just missing a little bit [to achieve more]. Everything needs to fit together for that to happen - and I saw others, where it almost always did. It's not supposed to be an excuse. It's just dumb to be that greedy. You need to be satisfied with what you have."

"Only later on you recognize what you have done. You get is some kind of tunnel, thinking "he's doing it as well", giving you a feeling of security."

"Yes [, I am a cheater]. I had fraudulent intentions and thoughts. But I don't feel like a criminal."

"Nobody deserves any pity, everyone knows the rules. But seeing the top brass hammering at the small ones... well, the fish starts to stink from the head, you say. In every sports there are officials who have a skeleton in their closet. The young people coming through are great, but those old ones at the top ruin everything. That's the problem."

"Ultimately, I want to apologize to everyone, who feels hurt or cheated by me. Apologize to everyone, who had looked up to me. I am sorry. That's all I can say."
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: search on March 04, 2019, 08:45
there's another article in the newspaper, stating that Schmidt apparently offered that "full-service" at something between 8 and 15000 EUR a year.

Which sounds incredibly cheap, doesn't it?!
Title: Re: Stefan Denifl blood doping confession
Post by: search on March 04, 2019, 09:05
On December 23, at 22:54, CCC Team issued a statement declaring that Denifl's contract has been dissolved due to personal reasons. He was later replaced by another rider.

"It never went anywhere. He said that he had some personal issues and so that was the end of it. He said that they were personal and with his family, so that's his business," Ochowicz told Cyclingnews in Kuurne.

"He said it had nothing to do with sport but to do with his family business. It was something with his wife, and then something with his father, and sister. I didn't ask a lot of questions. He said he wasn't able to do this [join the team]. So I said okay, fair enough."

[...]

According to Ochowicz, his medical team found nothing suspicious with Denifl's data.

"That looked okay, sure. We wouldn't have signed him if there were any red flags."


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ochowicz-no-red-flags-in-denifls-biological-passport/
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: just some guy on March 04, 2019, 09:13
Yep. Which probably indicates he has a lot of customers
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: search on March 04, 2019, 09:38
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0zWxgwWsAAVDgS.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: search on March 04, 2019, 09:47
I'm not really sure what to make out of this. Overall, he had a good season last year. He was a great dom for Pinot in the Giro and took his first ever vicotry as a pro in the Tour de Pologne. Sure there was a late setback with the health struggles costing him the Vuelta and a good results at the World Championships, but I'd guess he did enough before to get a decent contract prolongement.

On paper, lying now wouldn't make much sense though. The doctor has agreed to fully cooperate, so the truth (about re-infusing the blood or not) is likely to come out anyway. And pretty soon.

But on the other hand, it could also be that Preidler just wasn't ready for the whole truth yet of course. He has managed to come to the decision to get public and end his career as a cyclist - but admitting that everything you ever achieved is a lie is on another level, I think.

Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: LukasCPH on March 04, 2019, 10:03
there's another article in the newspaper, stating that Schmidt apparently offered that "full-service" at something between 8 and 15000 EUR a year.

Which sounds incredibly cheap, doesn't it?!
Yes, that is rather cheap.

If you have a pro contract at ~50000/year (which is at the lower end for a WT pro), this is just 'business expenses'.
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 04, 2019, 11:25
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those old ones at the top ruin everything. That's the problem.

:D :D :D

Said every generation...
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 04, 2019, 11:45
Btw, why is Susan Westermeyer reporting on this?

I seem to remember that she was quite emphatic in her rejection of the sport after that last Froome fiasco, and how she wasn't going to cover cycling anymore after last season.


Not to derail this thread, but I did find a few of her old tweets, although I thought she had announced a very definitive exit at some point. Maybe I misremembered?

https://twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/1000015349306281984

https://twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/1000386168427606016

https://twitter.com/WestemeyerSusan/status/1000063193778024448
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: L'arri on March 04, 2019, 12:40
I can think of a couple of others who may well be nervous right now. I just wonder how long Schmidt has been at it and how many clients he had because time and scale are the big risks in this kind of operation.

Since doping is more criminalised nowadays, it's going to be harder to stay quiet and wait it out. The authorities could press Schmidt pretty hard.
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 04, 2019, 13:48
I can think of a couple of others who may well be nervous right now. I just wonder how long Schmidt has been at it and how many clients he had because time and scale are the big risks in this kind of operation.

Since doping is more criminalised nowadays, it's going to be harder to stay quiet and wait it out. The authorities could press Schmidt pretty hard.

If you are thinking along the lines of following the exact same career path, so can I.

I see that according to PCS he was terminated by Groupama FDJ, pretty much as soon as the news broke.
Must be a pretty embarrassing for a french MPCC team, especially if there is anything to the suggestion that CCC must have had things figured out.
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: search on March 04, 2019, 14:05
I can think of a couple of others who may well be nervous right now. I just wonder how long Schmidt has been at it and how many clients he had because time and scale are the big risks in this kind of operation.

"hundreds", was reported. Apparently there's a list already.

https://www.welt.de/sport/article189694155/Doping-Mark-Schmidt-hat-mein-Vertrauen-missbraucht-auf-das-Perfideste.html

And by the sound of it, we are talking about 10+ years here.

Edit: "Early 2000's" is what is says here (https://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/sportpolitik/doping/erkenntnisse-nach-doping-razzia-das-war-ein-all-inclusive-paket-16068737.html). Schmidt is only 40 though and started his studies in 1996/97, so that probably doesn't quite add up.

Also the way blood doping is used seems to have changed a bit over the years:

Tammjärv [one of the Estonians who were caught] also described how the already almost undetectable blood doping was further disguised: "Blood was given to me each morning before the race and the blood was taken again immediately after the race. So there would be no trace for the doping control officers, I was told."

https://www.sportschau.de/doping/Doping-Razzia-Hintergruende-ENG-100.html

(I couldn't find the original source. It sounds a bit odd tbh)
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: M Gee on March 04, 2019, 14:41
Btw, why is Susan Westermeyer reporting on this?

I seem to remember that she was quite emphatic in her rejection of the sport after that last Froome fiasco, and how she wasn't going to cover cycling anymore after last season.


Not to derail this thread, but I did find a few of her old tweets, although I thought she had announced a very definitive exit at some point. Maybe I misremembered?

 . . .
As a former mod over there, you can take it from me that Susan has been threatening/promising to quit the sport, and CN, for years. I imagine FtP and Martin will say the same - and they were mods there before me. She never seems to follow through for more than a month, if that. 

Well, it's not all bad - this news, I mean. Now we have some idea how old baldy may have won his Vuelta, and how Valverde is the eternal spring chicken. Just sayin'. Froome? IMO, no - Brailsford has them doing every dirty trick that is still legal - that'll be what they find on Froome - just IMO.
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: just some guy on March 04, 2019, 15:28
Let's get the discussion back to blood doping not so much aunt Susan
Title: Re: Stefan Denifl blood doping confession
Post by: just some guy on March 04, 2019, 15:43
https://www.twitter.com/Velorooms/status/1102594722022023168
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: just some guy on March 04, 2019, 15:57
Merged topics
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 04, 2019, 17:24
The startlists for the opening weekend saw plenty of late changes and DNS's due to illness by the way. So many, that Het Nieuwsblad even had an article about it today, thematising the topic of infecting each other and so on.

That makes sense of course, especially if it affects various riders from the same team. But given the recent developments, it could also be seen as a bad sign of what's to come maybe...

Post Merge: March 04, 2019, 18:38
I just checked again, and actually there were not as many late dropouts as I thought

#quickstep Fabio Jacobsen (sick)
#bahrain Matej Mohoric (training crash)
#bora Andreas Schillinger (no information given)
#fdj Arnaud Démare (sick)
#sky Luke Rowe (sick)
#sunweb Soren Kragh (sick)
#sunweb Martijn Tusveld (sick)
#trek Michael Gogl (sick)
#academy Guy Sagiv (sick)

Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on March 04, 2019, 21:12
The startlists for the opening weekend saw plenty of late changes and DNS's due to illness by the way. So many, that Het Nieuwsblad even had an article about it today, thematising the topic of infecting each other and so on.

That makes sense of course, especially if it affects various riders from the same team. But given the recent developments, it could also be seen as a bad sign of what's to come maybe...

Post Merge: March 04, 2019, 18:38
I just checked again, and actually there were not as many late dropouts as I thought

#quickstep Fabio Jacobsen (sick)
#bahrain Matej Mohoric (training crash)
#bora Andreas Schillinger (no information given)
#fdj Arnaud Démare (sick)
#sky Luke Rowe (sick)
#sunweb Soren Kragh (sick)
#sunweb Martijn Tusveld (sick)
#trek Michael Gogl (sick)
#academy Guy Sagiv (sick)



If Guy Sagiv is doing it then he’d better take a bit more blood next time!
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Flo on March 04, 2019, 22:05
The startlists for the opening weekend saw plenty of late changes and DNS's due to illness by the way. So many, that Het Nieuwsblad even had an article about it today, thematising the topic of infecting each other and so on.

That makes sense of course, especially if it affects various riders from the same team. But given the recent developments, it could also be seen as a bad sign of what's to come maybe...

Post Merge: March 04, 2019, 18:38
I just checked again, and actually there were not as many late dropouts as I thought

#quickstep Fabio Jacobsen (sick)
#bahrain Matej Mohoric (training crash)
#bora Andreas Schillinger (no information given)
#fdj Arnaud Démare (sick)
#sky Luke Rowe (sick)
#sunweb Soren Kragh (sick)
#sunweb Martijn Tusveld (sick)
#trek Michael Gogl (sick)
#academy Guy Sagiv (sick)


Worried for Gogl :(
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 04, 2019, 22:18
Worried for Gogl :(
I was thinking so too, but he was sick in Provence already and abandoned Haut-Var for the same reason, so his non-selection didn't come out of the blue
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: t-72 on March 04, 2019, 22:20
I heard some talk concerning #didata - they started the races but really everyone should have stayed at home. Apparently there was a virus spread in Algarve that they have not recovered from. Not surprised if it is the same for many that were not racing this weekend. Physical exhaustion, traveling, athletes, springtime is perfect breeding ground for viruses. Normal people have better immune systems and don't expose themselves to so many different strains of viruses as these frequent flyers do.... it's the less marketed bonus!
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: M Gee on March 05, 2019, 00:45
There is an interesting observation about this - it requires a bit of privacy that might be hard to manage. It also requires one or more confederates in the deception. It should be interesting to see how the confessions address those issues. Anybody read the actual confession statements? I haven't time this year, unfortunately, so I'll hope one of you do.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: neppe on March 05, 2019, 09:05
Another cross country skiier has confessed to blood doping with the assistance of Dr. Schmidt; Algo Kärp (EST).
https://www.vg.no/sport/langrenn/i/KvOpJe/estisk-avis-ny-langrennsutoever-innroemmer-bloddoping?utm_source=vgfront&utm_content=row-3

He says he started in the summer of 2016 and that it was the national team coach, Mati Alaver, who initated the doping and brought him in contact with Dr. Schmidt. No info that he has been contacted by the police or anti-doping authoreties before he confesses to doping in the interview with the Estonian newspaper Õhtulehe.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 05, 2019, 10:19
#academy Matthias Brändle is not amused, and comes forward with quite an unusual statement:

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"I am shocked to hear the news of a doping confession from Stefan and Georg. I roomed with them a couple of times over the last year and never would I have imagined something like this. To be clear, never in my career have I been involved with doping. All my results and performances were done clean and without illegal substances.

In order to reassure my fans and family of my dedication to clean cycling, I plan to sign a document stating that I commit to give all my earnings from cycling to charity should I ever fail a doping test.

All the results of my Career, I did without doping. I also think that the government should consider harder punishments for dopers.

For sure their career is over now but it seems as the punishments were not hard enough when they decided to take this step.

To be clear, it was not only them. Forty more bloodbags will be hopefully identified with the DNA of any sportsman who was in contact with them."

https://www.facebook.com/MatthiasBraendleOfficial/posts/2407266006171193
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 05, 2019, 12:07
https://twitter.com/searchhhh/status/1102890123434303488

the full issue of the newspaper is available (for free - just scroll through to the article and hit the green arrow) on pressreader.com (https://www.pressreader.com/germany/neues-deutschland/20190305/textview).

There's also a statement of Jörg Werner in there, manager of #katusha Marcel Kittel, #trek John Degenkolb and #jumbo Tony Martin. Personally he knows Schmidt, as his mother Heidrun Schmidt is his family physician (both are sharing a medical practice), but according to him, his clients are not patients of this doctor.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on March 05, 2019, 12:11
Interesting, but I imagine there are a couple of bags with his DNA in a fridge somewhere.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 05, 2019, 12:17
yeah, I guess analyzing those will take a little while. For a start it confirm that there is a list already though, probably with names handed over by the doctor
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on March 05, 2019, 12:20
Aye, it does.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: AG on March 06, 2019, 00:53
I wonder if these bags are going to be able to be used ....

cant imagine Germany covering it up like Spain though - so hopefully
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: just some guy on March 06, 2019, 06:46
This has an Oil for drugs feel about it, as in it will lead to something really big
Title: Re: Preidler was going to Blood Dope but didn't Confession
Post by: search on March 06, 2019, 09:06
I can think of a couple of others who may well be nervous right now. I just wonder how long Schmidt has been at it and how many clients he had because time and scale are the big risks in this kind of operation.

"Early 2000's" is what is says here (https://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/sportpolitik/doping/erkenntnisse-nach-doping-razzia-das-war-ein-all-inclusive-paket-16068737.html). Schmidt is only 40 though and started his studies in 1996/97, so that probably doesn't quite add up.

thinking about it, it could also go further back, seeing Schmidt's background, and how he was connected.

Last week Stefan Matschiner confirmed that Schmidt's centrifuge was the one used by him in the Vienna Bloodbank affair a couple of years ago (until ~2009 or so). When Matschiner was caught, he sold it to Schmidt, together with a good amount of customers.

Erfurt was named as one the branches of the Vienna headquarter back then (until ~2005), and much of the knowhow used in Vienna went back to GDR days.

https://germanroadraces.de/?p=119868

Back in those GDR days, Mark Schmidt's mother Heidrun was doctor of the "Turbine Erfurt" sports club, where systematic doping was normality.

Until the end of 2018, his father Ansgar (now arrested as well as apparent "head" of this doping ring), in the leading positions for sports in Thuringia for 20 years , was working as a lawyer for "Spilker & Collegen" in Erfurt. That's Heinz-Jochen Spilker, former German national coach in athletics, heavily involved in doping with anabolic steroids. He even has an own model going back to him, the so called "Hammer Modell". That didn't stop anyone from making him the Vice-President of the Thuringian Sports Association of course.

https://www.fnp.de/sport/sport-mix/thueringen-aerzten-juristen-funktionaeren-erfolg-wichtiger-ist-fairness-recht-11814175.html

Seven years ago he was the lawyer of Andreas Franke in the UV treatment case (involving Marcel Kittel and so on), who's doctor's office is around the corner.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: L'arri on March 06, 2019, 10:22
thinking about it, it could also go further back, seeing Schmidt's background, and how he was connected.

Last week Stefan Matschiner confirmed that Schmidt's centrifuge was the one used by him in the Vienna Bloodbank affair a couple of years ago (until ~2009 or so). When Matschiner was caught, he sold it to Schmidt, together with a good amount of customers.

Erfurt was named as one the branches of the Vienna headquarter back then (until ~2005), and much of the knowhow used in Vienna went back to GDR days.

https://germanroadraces.de/?p=119868

Back in those GDR days, Mark Schmidt's mother Heidrun was doctor of the "Turbine Erfurt" sports club, where systematic doping was normality.

Until the end of 2018, his father Ansgar (now arrested as well as apparent "head" of this doping ring), in the leading positions for sports in Thuringia for 20 years , was working as a lawyer for "Spilker & Collegen" in Erfurt. That's Heinz-Jochen Spilker, former German national coach in athletics, heavily involved in doping with anabolic steroids. He even has an own model going back to him, the so called "Hammer Modell". That didn't stop anyone from making him the Vice-President of the Thuringian Sports Association of course.

https://www.fnp.de/sport/sport-mix/thueringen-aerzten-juristen-funktionaeren-erfolg-wichtiger-ist-fairness-recht-11814175.html

Seven years ago he was the lawyer of Andreas Franke in the UV treatment case (involving Marcel Kittel and so on), who's doctor's office is around the corner.

Excellent stuff, search. Wow, this runs deep.

What a business. Buying and selling equipment and client lists, hunting for new clients. If there is demand, it's never just going to end with Fuentes or Ferrari or Schmidt. Someone will take over the business and assume the risks.

Schmidt had done pretty well to minimise his risks but there are so many people involved that he could never be sure. That's why the authorities busting his father and the suggestion of sports body complicity are probably the worst outcomes for him because now he has lost his protection.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on March 06, 2019, 10:37
We still don't know what he eats for his dinner on Tuesdays though.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 06, 2019, 10:40
it's such a rotton system over there though, with former big style dopers having major positions in the sports authorities now, keeping people like Schmidt and Franke in touch.

Two other lawyers working for Spilker used to be politicians, responsible for the field of justice and home affairs in the state parliament - which includes all doping affairs.

And wonder why the investigtors are sitting in Munich? Because the Thurigians saw no reason for investigations:

https://erfurt.thueringer-allgemeine.de/web/erfurt/startseite/detail/-/specific/Skandal-um-Sportmediziner-Trotz-Hinweisen-verzichtet-Thueringen-auf-Dopingermit-1983953589

You may wonder why...
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: just some guy on March 06, 2019, 16:38
Yay the codename game begins :win

https://www.twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/1103295240125992961
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: neppe on March 06, 2019, 19:40
Lucky Luke! What a sacrelige. It should have been Rantanplan.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: L'arri on March 08, 2019, 10:16
Kronen Zeitung reports today that five of the forty bags belong to Denifl alone. Maybe Rasmussen's 15-20 athlete estimate for that many bags is a bit generous.

https://www.krone.at/1878755 (DE)

I also read in an earlier article that Denifl's girlfriend Melanie, who works in fashion, had been questioned and had given a statement. Hard to keep this stuff private from loved ones.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 09, 2019, 19:24
some news from German media:

- there's a Kazakh person called "The General" acting as an intermediary between the (Kazakh?) athletes and the doping network. Whether this is his real military rank or not is unknown
- the Italian mafia is apparently involved in the background, preventing people from talking too much
- Schmidt's assistant has made her testimony already. Schmidt himself will do so next week - and fully cooperate
- the blood is stored frozen (instead of in a normal fridge, like Fuentes did back then). Dürr had samples re-injected three years after

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/doping-erfurt-langlauf-1.4360318
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 10, 2019, 00:09
- there's a Kazakh person called "The General" acting as an intermediary between the (Kazakh?) athletes and the doping network. Whether this is his real military rank or not is unknown.

Well, Vinokourov was awarded the rank of honorary colonel in the Kazakh army in 2000. Does that count?
:slow

Maybe he's since been granted a promotion.  :D
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 14, 2019, 13:01
Worried for Gogl :(

he now announced his return to racing for the Ronde van Drenthe on Sunday, so everything should be fine
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 20, 2019, 08:12
https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/1108279667721670656

a couple of days ago it was also reported that more names could be revealed today
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on March 20, 2019, 12:32
21 athletes have been identified so far, from 5 different sports, three of those Wintersports.

as Hawaii is mentioned is one of the countries where transfusions took place, it's likely that Triathlon is one of them.

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/doping-ermittlungen-im-fall-des-erfurter-arztes-mark-s-bluttransfusionen-auf-hawaii-und-in-suedkorea-a-1258799.html

So probably we are talking about athletes from Cycling, Triathlon, Cross Country Skiing and (as I would think makes most sense) Biathlon & Nordic Combined.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on May 12, 2019, 18:58
https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/1127581103773110272

well, can't say I'm too surprised. And he even got an 8 on the UCI index of suspicion back then btw...
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: LukasCPH on May 14, 2019, 07:52
Hondo has also been summarily sacked by Swiss Cycling where he was the national coach, directing the national team as recently as the Tour de Romandie.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on May 14, 2019, 12:26
Hondo has also been summarily sacked by Swiss Cycling where he was the national coach, directing the national team as recently as the Tour de Romandie.

Swiss rolled.

His defence was full of holes I suspect.

I’ll get my coat...
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on May 15, 2019, 08:54
https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1128554957312012291
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Mellow Velo on May 15, 2019, 11:05
https://twitter.com/cirogazzetta/status/1128554957312012291

Kristijan Koren DNS today at the Giro....

UCI issue a statement. Riders provisionally suspended:

https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/uci-statement-on-operation-aderlass
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: LukasCPH on May 15, 2019, 15:48
Kristijan Koren DNS today at the Giro....

UCI issue a statement. Riders provisionally suspended:

https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/uci-statement-on-operation-aderlass
Petacchi as well. He's fired by RAI where he was commentating on the Giro.

And he's replaced by ... drumroll ... Stefano Garzelli. You couldn't make it up. :S
https://dopeology.org/people/Stefano_Garzelli/ (https://dopeology.org/people/Stefano_Garzelli/)
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on June 27, 2019, 13:39
Preidler and Denifl now both banned for 4 years...

https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/uci-statement-on-georg-preidler-and-stefan-denifl

... for "using blood doping at least from June 2014 till the end of 2018" (Denifl) and "at least from February 2018 till the end of 2018"

https://www.oeadr.at/de/intern:36/pressemitteilungen-2019

That doesn't quite fit with what they said in their confession, I think?!
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: AG on August 26, 2019, 11:03
Interesting article about Petacci

https://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/article/2019/08/25/petacchi-cops-doping-ban-offences-2012-2013?fbclid=IwAR3u7oXBKrYrycV2eNRJvycsOm_Ny53hVC0krXkI-Z-uKSSLhHLbgsapjfc

essentially says he has signed an acceptance of consequences as he doesnt have the finances or energy to fight.  (His wife is sick and so is his father)

Says he admitted it last time, so if he had done this he would admit it again ...     hmmm
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Drummer Boy on September 19, 2019, 00:11
Georg Preidler charged with fraud in Operation Aderlass doping inquiry (https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/preidler-charged-with-fraud-in-operation-aderlass-doping-inquiry/)
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Preidler admitted to having his blood withdrawn by doctor Mark Schmidt, who is accused of providing blood transfusions to numerous athletes, but denied having it re-infused.
 :lol

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Preidler is accused of "regularly practising blood doping and also taking growth hormones, starting with the Giro d'Italia in the spring of 2017 until his doping confession," prosecutor Thomas Willam announced, according to APA.

According to the Public Prosecutor's Office, because Preidler raced at the UCI Road World Championships in Innsbruck, he was contractually obligated to abide by anti-doping rules set by the UCI and those of the race organisers. Not doing so, they say, is criminal fraud and estimate the damages at 250,000 euros.

Sort of the opposite of "home field advantage" then?  :-x
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on September 19, 2019, 08:25
okay, so Preidler's "confession" was complete bullsh*t in the end.

There was a first trial already btw, also in Austria, for the same reason. Mountainbiker Christina Kollmann-Forstner got sentenced to eight months probation

https://www.thueringer-allgemeine.de/sport/erfurter-dopingskandal-erstes-urteil-nach-operation-aderlass-id226769729.html
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 09, 2019, 15:38

UCI Statement on Kristijan Koren and Borut Bozic (https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/uci-statement-on-kristijan-koren-and-borut-bozic)


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The UCI announces that it has sanctioned Mr. Kristijan Koren and Mr. Borut Bozic for anti-doping rule violations.

Mr. Koren has been sanctioned with a period of ineligibility of 2 years for anti-doping rule violations committed in 2011 and 2012 (i.e. use of prohibited methods/substances) based on information received from the law enforcement authorities of Austria.

Mr. Bozic has been sanctioned with a period of ineligibility of 2 years for anti-doping rule violations committed in 2012 (i.e. use of prohibited methods/substances) based on information received from the law enforcement authorities of Austria.

Both cases have been resolved via an acceptance of consequences as provided for by the World Anti‐Doping Code and the UCI Anti‐Doping Rules.

Both resolutions can be appealed by the competent National Anti‐Doping Organisation and the World Anti‐Doping Agency.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: LukasCPH on November 13, 2019, 14:41
#uae Đurasek now also banned for four years:
UCI statement on Kristijan Durasek (https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/uci-statement-on-kristijan-durasek)
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The UCI announces that Mr. Kristijan Durasek has been sanctioned with a period of ineligibility of 4 years for anti‐doping rule violations committed from 2016 to 2019 (use of prohibited methods/substances) based on information received from the law enforcement authorities of Austria.

The case has been resolved via an acceptance of consequences as provided for by the World Anti‐Doping Code and the UCI Anti‐Doping Rules.

The resolution can be appealed by the competent National Anti‐Doping Organisation and the World Anti‐Doping Agency.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on December 22, 2019, 17:46
The was a press conference in Munich the other day, exposing some Aderlass cycling-related stuff I hadn't heard about before:

In 2018, Dr Schmidt was doping cyclists during (among others) the Giro d'Italia, Tour de France, Tour de Romandie, Tour de Suisse, Tour of California, Tour of Turkey and Tour de Pologne.

Also an "established pro from Switzerland, but not a star" was among Schmidt's customers.

https://www.nzz.ch/sport/blutdoping-an-der-tour-de-suisse-ld.1530118

Among the cyclists involved, there are also two German ones which haven't been named yet. According to the ARD, those are "from high-class teams. They have also participated in the Tour de France [whether in 2018 or not is not speciefied though]. One of them is still active [which probably means, that the other one meanwhile has retired]".

https://www.sportschau.de/doping/Doping-Erfurt-Anklage-gegen-Arzt-Mark-Schmidt-100.html

It's Sunday, so of course tried to track down those two riders. As far as I can see, in general, so far 5 cyclists were named (and banned):

- Georg Preidler
- Stefan Denifl
- Kristijan Koren
- Kristijan Đurasek
- Borut Božič

Taking the seven races listed above, these are the ones they participated in in 2018:

Tour de Romandie
- Kristijan Đurasek

Giro d'Italia
- Georg Preidler
- Kristijan Koren

Tour of California
- Kristijan Đurasek

Tour de Suisse
- Stefan Denifl

Tour de France
- Kristijan Đurasek

Tour de Pologne
- Georg Preidler (won a stage)

Tour of Turkey
- Kristijan Đurasek

so this is no help to find the German riders, as potentially Schmidt could have just dealt with the listed ones.

There are not too many active German riders who did the Tour de France though:

-   #sunweb   Arndt, Nikias
-   #bora   Buchmann, Emanuel
-   #bora   Burghardt, Marcus
-   #trek   Degenkolb, John
-   #sunweb   Fröhlinger, Johannes (to retire next week)
-   #ccc   Geschke, Simon
-   #arkea   Greipel, André
-   #lotto   Kluge, Roger
-   #ineos   Knees, Christian
-   #sunweb   Kämna, Lennard
-   #jumbo   Martens, Paul
-   #jumbo   Martin, Tony
-   #katusha   Politt, Nils
-   #bora   Schachmann, Maximilian
-   #bora   Schillinger, Andreas
-   #bora   Selig, Rüdiger
-   #bahrain   Sieberg, Marcel
-   #movistar   Sütterlin, Jasha
-   #katusha   Zabel, Rick

Tracking down the retired riders is a bit more difficult, as it's not specified that he was still active in 2018 - so he could potentially have retired long ago (like Petacchi). Those who did retire over the past 7 years (I couldn't be bothered to go back any further) and did the Tour de France are:

-   (retired in 2019)   #katusha   Kittel, Marcel
-   (retired in 2019)   #arkea   Wagner, Robert
-   (retired in 2017)   #ag2r   Gretsch, Patrick
-   (retired in 2016)   #stolting   Ciolek, Gerald
-   (retired in 2016)   #stolting   Gerdemann Linus
-   (retired in 2016)   #bora   Nerz, Dominik
-   (retired in 2016)   #bora   Voss, Paul
-   (retired in 2016)   #stolting   Wegmann, Fabian
-   (retired in 2015)   #uhc   Förster, Robert
-   (retired in 2015)   #ccc   Schumacher, Stefan
-   (retired in 2014)   #meridiana   Sinkewitz, Patrik
-   (retired in 2014)   #trek   Voigt, Jens
-   (retired in 2013)   #nsp   Fothen, Markus
-   (retired in 2013)   #quickstep   Grabsch, Bert
-   (retired in 2013)   #radioshack   Hondo, Danilo
-   (retired in 2013)   #garmin   Klier, Andreas
-   (retired in 2013)   #radioshack   Klöden, Andreas
-   (retired in 2013)   #stolting   Schröder, Björn

so if the ARD is correct, one of the names from the upper list and one from that at the bottom is likely to pop up in the media soonish
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on December 22, 2019, 17:56
Could we assume that someone like Sütterlin or Greipel isn’t involved, given he’s just transferred? Would be odd to start at a new team if you know you’re under investigation.

When did Fröhlinger announce his retirement?

Patrick Müller has just retired too.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on December 22, 2019, 18:03
Patrick Müller has just retired too.

he is Swiss, and never did the Tour. And I wouldn't really call him an "established pro" either!? (in case you are talking about the Swiss doper who wasn't named yet)

Fröhlinger announced his retirement a month ago or so.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on December 22, 2019, 18:07
he is Swiss, and never did the Tour. And I wouldn't really call him an "established pro" either!? (in case you are talking about the Swiss doper who wasn't named yet)

Fröhlinger announced his retirement a month ago or so.

Yes, I was referring to him as the Swiss. 2 1/2 years as a pro.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: LukasCPH on December 22, 2019, 18:44
Yes, I was referring to him as the Swiss. 2 1/2 years as a pro.
The Swiss guy could just as well be a non-cyclist - and very likely is.


As to who the German riders are, it would be tempting to look at Mark Schmidt being from Erfurt and Kittel, Martin, Degenkolb, and Schachmann also being from Erfurt.
However, if Kittel were in any way involved in this, it would have been incredibly brazen to post something like this (https://www.marcelkittel.de/2-aktuell/453-gedanken-zu-erfurt) on his website back in March.
You could argue that he doth protest too much, but I think it's unlikely that he is involved.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on December 22, 2019, 19:31
I’d think this was an personal introduction job rather than nipping in to see Dr Schmidt because he’s advertised his ‘preparation services’ in the local paper.

 :lol
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on December 22, 2019, 19:35
apparently the doping treatments of the German riders took place in 2012 and 2013:

https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/erfurter-dopingaffaere-zwei-weitere-deutsche-athleten-im.1346.de.html?dram:article_id=466552

so this slims down the list quite a bit further
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on December 22, 2019, 19:42
Deutschland Funk starring Thomas Müller.

https://youtu.be/EZ7rW1FdrpI
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 23, 2019, 01:55
so if the ARD is correct, one of the names from the upper list and one from that at the bottom is likely to pop up in the media soonish

Outstanding effort, search!  :cool






Please let it be Jens, Please let it be Jens, Please let it be Jens, Please let it be Jens. :pray
 
 :D
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: M Gee on December 23, 2019, 11:50
. . .
so if the ARD is correct, one of the names from the upper list and one from that at the bottom is likely to pop up in the media soonish
Well, certainly did our homework on that one! Tip o' the hat!
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: M Gee on December 23, 2019, 11:53
Deutschland Funk starring Thomas Müller.

 . . .
Along with some good old oompah music! Lawrence Welk would have been proud!  :lol
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on December 23, 2019, 12:20
Well, certainly did our homework on that one! Tip o' the hat!

Searchlock Holmes.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 23, 2019, 14:07
Searchlock Holmes.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/43/42/9f4342c0e47c357da251ab1520835ae0.jpg)
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: search on December 23, 2019, 16:14
As to who the German riders are, it would be tempting to look at Mark Schmidt being from Erfurt and Kittel, Martin, Degenkolb, and Schachmann also being from Erfurt.

Andreas Klöden is an old friend (since school days) of Danilo Hondo, who already confessed to have used Schmidt's services in 2011. So for the retired rider, he would be the least surprising one, I guess.

Not that anyone would be surprised about him being a doper anyway.
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Drummer Boy on December 23, 2019, 16:43
Andreas Klöden


Mr. Teflon himself!

If ever there was someone who could write a book. Klöden has seen it all.

(Bobby Julich is the only other rider that comes to mind that rode for both Lance and Jan. How interesting it would've been to see both riders up close.)
Title: Re: Operation Aderlass
Post by: Joelsim on February 22, 2020, 09:41
Pirmin Lang is the Swiss.