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Title: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on April 29, 2019, 19:52
Amgen Tour of California 12th - 18th May

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Stage 1  »  Sacramento  ›  Sacramento (143km)

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Last year it was a South-North route and thus with it being the reverse this round, we'll naturally begin where last year's course finished with a sprint in Sacramento. Previous winners include Gaviria, Kittel and Cavendish.

Stage 2  »  Rancho Cordova  ›  South Lake Tahoe (194.5km)

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Same finishing line as last year's stage 6, but crucially without the preceding Daggett Summit. The profile is much more like stage 5 in 2016 when Skujins won from the break.

Stage 3  »  Stockton  ›  Morgan Hill (207km)

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One for the break?

Stage 4  »  Raceway Laguna Seca  ›  Morro Bay (212.5km)

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The race pretty much follows the coast for all 200+km. Some nice scenery (Big Sur etc), but we'll need wind or something to make it worth watching.

Stage 5  »  Pismo Beach  ›  Ventura (218.5km)

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Could be some GC action towards the end of the stage. Steep kicker with bonifications up for grabs at the summit. 5km from the top to the finish line.

Stage 6  »  Ontario  ›  Mount Baldy (127.5km)

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Talansky, Alaphilippe, Gesink and Levi are the previous winners. Time gaps shouldn't be massive coming into the stage, so a lot of riders might still fancy their chances.

Stage 7  »  Santa Clarita  ›  Pasadena (141km)

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Almost an exact replica of stage 7 in 2014 which ended in a ~50 man sprint, but three years later Rally (Huffman and Britton) plus some riff-raff mugged the peloton.

First time the race will not have a TT! Not the greatest looking parcour, but we'll see what happens.


Competing teams:

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Tour Tracker (https://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/watchattend/app-info/tour-tracker-full) (geo-restricted boo-hiss)
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on April 29, 2019, 20:59
#teamusa

https://www.usacycling.org/article/usa-cycling-announces-team-for-2019-amgen-tour-of-california

Sam Boardman
Miguel Bryon
Michael Hernandez
Alex Hoehn
Travis McCabe
Tyler Stites
Keegan Swirbul

While McCabe has done very well in the other big US races, he's never really been able to replicate that in California. That probably won't change here, but he is their best available sprint option. Swirbul might be able to do a top 10 or 15 if he has good day on Baldy.

From the initial long list of ten, the three who missed out are Putt, Williams and Rhim.

Anybody they missed?

I'm assuming Warbasse and Bookwalter have prior engagements with their respective teams. Otherwise I would have gone with one of them as a road captain.

Gage Hecht had a bad crash earlier in the season (fractured skull) and has only just got back on his bike the past few weeks. The race has come too early for him.

Stephen Bassett is the guy in form this year. Won the Queen stage at Redlands and followed that up with the GC at Joe Martin. Unlucky to miss out you feel.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: search on April 29, 2019, 21:29
Stephen Bassett is the guy in form this year. Won the Queen stage at Redlands and followed that up with the GC at Joe Martin. Unlucky to miss out you feel.

...for the same reason as some guys in TDU last year:

https://twitter.com/StephenBassett_/status/1119421356158926849
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 30, 2019, 01:12
I can't believe it's time for this race again. More than any other, this event always seems to catch me off guard.
(Maybe because it's usually so forgettable, year-to-year?  :shh)

#teamusa

https://www.usacycling.org/article/usa-cycling-announces-team-for-2019-amgen-tour-of-california

Huh?  :S
I had to look into this as I wasn't sure if I had just been living under a rock, or something. But no!
Quote
Colorado Springs, Colo. - USA Cycling announced today the seven riders to compete on the U.S. National Team at the 2019 Amgen Tour of California. This is the first time USA Cycling will be fielding a men’s team since the inaugural Tour of California.

“This will be my first time wearing the Red White and Blue National Team kit and I couldn’t be more excited and proud,” said McCabe, “I came into the sport late in my career but have always worked relentlessly to achieve my goals and this is a big one that I can finally check off. What makes it even better is that the Amgen Tour of California begin on my 30th birthday this year and I can’t think of a better way to celebrate than to represent USA Cycling in the biggest race North America has to offer the world.”


Here's hoping for some interventions from Mother Nature to make 2019 memorable in one way or another. We've seen snow cancellations in Tahoe, and brutal wind and rain for a bridge crossing, but if typical California weather prevails this year, well...

I wonder if CVV is doing commentary with Phil?
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on April 30, 2019, 01:59
I was surprised to see no Hincapie team, or I'm a just missing something? I get confused with all the name changes that organization has gone through over the years.

I guess they're officially Arapahoe|Hincapie p/b BMC (http://www.hincapieracing.com/hincapie-racing-confirms-arapahoe-resources-bmc-switzerland-title-sponsors-signs-nine-riders-2019/)  this year?

It's still confusing to me.
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Hincapie Racing is pleased to announce that Arapahoe Resources and BMC Switzerland have increased their commitments for the 2019 season, allowing the team to apply for Continental status and sign on nine riders for the upcoming year.

But then there's this (http://www.hincapieracing.com/hincapie-racing-team-sets-sights-2019-season/), which maybe explains their absence from California?
Quote
The Hincapie Racing team was unable to meet the recent UCI deadline for declaring as a Professional Continental team. However, the team still anxiously looks toward the 2019 season, remaining committed to a program that will eventually lead toward the goal of becoming a World Tour team.

Honestly, this sport is confusing enough to me with as it is. Trying to stay abreast of the U.S. side of things requires more than I'm capable of.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: LukasCPH on April 30, 2019, 08:28
I was surprised to see no Hincapie team, or I'm a just missing something? I get confused with all the name changes that organization has gone through over the years.
Basically, they missed the deadline to register for ProConti (probably because they hadn't secured enough sponsors at that point), so are only Conti this year. And unlike two years ago, Conti teams aren't allowed to do WT races anymore.

As for their 'goal of becoming a WorldTour team' ... :-x

Stephen Bassett is the guy in form this year. Won the Queen stage at Redlands and followed that up with the GC at Joe Martin. Unlucky to miss out you feel.
...for the same reason as some guys in TDU last year:
I feel sorry for the guy. He can't help it that his team isn't automatically part of that testing pool. Redlands was in March, which would have left enough time to put him in there - while Joe Martin finishes only five weeks before California begins. But he also won Oak Glen (seven weeks to go) ...
So, whose responsibility is it? Riders who desire selection to get into the testing pool on their own initiative (and cost?), or USA Cycling to put riders who perform well into the testing pool as quickly as possible?
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on April 30, 2019, 09:30
It could (partly) just be a cost thing. I don't think the US Federation are wildly flush with cash. Are some of the selected riders already on ADAMS or the bio-passport? I dunno, but it may explain a left field pick like Boardman.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 05, 2019, 15:52
#academy

https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1125046535627182085

Sagiv
Cataford
Badilatti
Schreurs
Enger
Avila

Only six riders? But they say ICA 7?
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: LukasCPH on May 05, 2019, 16:50
Only six riders? But they say ICA 7?
Some video mixup.

https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1125057412011036673

This is why you check and double-check before posting!
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 06, 2019, 08:38
#novonordisk

https://www.teamnovonordisk.com/2019-amgen-tour-of-california-preview/

Sam Brand (GBR)
Fabio Calabria (AUS)
Joonas Henttala (FIN)
Peter Kusztor (HUN)
David Lozano (ESP)
Andrea Peron (ITA)
Charles Planet (FRA)

From those seven riders, Lozano has the most race days this season with eleven. Burnout won't be an issue.

#trek

https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1125035918086115328

Which Porte will turn up? I think it might be the TDU version.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 06, 2019, 08:50
#deceuninck

https://www.deceuninck-quickstep.com/en/news/3899/deceuninck-quick-step-to-tour-of-california

Fabio Jakobsen
Kasper Asgreen
Rémi Cavagna
Tim Declercq
Michael Mørkøv
Maximiliano Richeze
Zdenek Stybar

Both Morkov and Richeze here for Jakobsen. It shows how much they value this race, but could Viviani not use one of them over in Italy?
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 07, 2019, 17:48
#ineos

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D593pzpWAAA7fS4.png)

#bora

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Just one win so far this year for Sagan and more tellingly the performances we've been used to just aren't there (I think anyway). He had that bit of illness and the breakdown of his marriage can't have helped, but when does a blip turn into something more serious? Speaking of which......

Het Nieuwsblad is reporting that Kittel will miss this race. Things really are reaching crisis point with him. Next thing we know he'll be getting an ilaic operation.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 07, 2019, 20:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTf0SuU3pk8

I'm not gonna watch it, but somebody else might want to.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Archieboy on May 07, 2019, 21:35
My man Higuita gets his first outing with his new WT team
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 08, 2019, 20:16
#bahrain

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http://teambahrainmerida.com/a-strong-six-pack-of-tbm-heading-california-and-leaded-by-rohan-dennis/

I couldn't tell you a single race that Dennis has done since the TDU. Well after checking PCS, maybe if I'd thought about it a bit more I could have come up with TA, but the point still stands that he has been fairly anonymous with no climbing performances to talk about.

#uae

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6Chd2SWsAAdQeQ.jpg)

http://www.uaeteamemirates.com/pogacar-guida-luae-team-emirates-nel-tour-california/

Potential GC winner here. Philipsen might fancy his chances too against a "weak" sprint field.

Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 08, 2019, 20:27
#cofidis

https://twitter.com/TeamCOFIDIS/status/1126139695803408386

#sunweb

https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/team-sunweb-met-drietal-nederlanders-op-jacht-naar-ritsucces-in-californie/

Cees Bol
Roy Curvers
Johannes Fröhlinger
Joris Nieuwenhuis
Casper Pedersen
Michael Storer
Max Walscheid

Walscheid should do well on the two nailed on sprint days and maybe Bol can get in the mix on the reduced group sprint stages, but it's asking a lot for Storer to play any part in the GC action. Just getting in breaks might be a better target.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 09, 2019, 18:21
#astana

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#ccc

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6H_JvWXoAARUNa.jpg)
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 10, 2019, 10:03
#ef

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6JdcFMUYAEuYro.jpg)

TJ is a past winner, Craddock has a podium, Morton has a top-ten and Phinney has won a stage. However all the eyes are on Archie's man.

#katusha

https://twitter.com/katushacycling/status/1126537371850280961
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 11, 2019, 14:15
Estimated local finish time for the stages:

Stage 1 - 5:40pm
Stage 2 - 3:40pm
Stage 3 - 3:40pm
Stage 4 - 3:40pm
Stage 5 - 3:40pm
Stage 6 - 3:40pm
Stage 7 - 1:40pm

Add 3 for the East Coast, 8 for UK and Ireland and 9 for continental Europe. You're on your own for stage 1 Drumbo!
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 11, 2019, 14:21


The full list is here (https://firstcycling.com/race.php?r=30&y=2019&k=start) as you may be missing a few riders or a row of teams off the bottom.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 11, 2019, 14:55
Leadbelly's Leading Lights

General Classement

 :onfire1 :onfire1 :onfire1

Nobody!

 :onfire1 :onfire1 Pogacar and Bennett

The Slovenian is having a great season, but it's all been pretty much on hilly terrain rather than big long climbs. Just a small question mark otherwise he would be a 3 star rider. Bennett is a previous winner and that particular edition included Baldy. Previous knowledge could be crucial on the GC defining day.

 :onfire1 Schachmann, Uran, Porte, Higuita, McNulty and Swirbul

Uran is coming back from injury. Porte is just a big ? as to which one will turn up. Schachmann isn't the best on the big stuff (at the moment), but the standard here isn't that high and with bonuses or small gaps on other stages he still could feature in the GC.

There are plenty of other guys who might have a chance of a top-ten or so, but currently haven't got much form to base that on.

Sprints

 :onfire1 :onfire1 :onfire1 Sagan and Jakobsen

I might have pointed out Sagan's woes earlier in the thread, but it's not as if he's suddenly become totally rubbish. Just a bit of a dip in form, but he loves California and unlike most of the other sprinters, he could feature in reduced group finishes.

 :onfire1 :onfire1 Degenkolb and Van Poppel

 :onfire1 Walscheid, Philipsen and Bauhaus

Breaks

Skujins, Ballerini, Brown, King, Hernandez and Planet
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Mellow Velo on May 11, 2019, 15:04
 I think I'd probably give Grosschartner a sun, as well.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 13, 2019, 02:55
Estimated local finish time for the stages:

Stage 1 - 5:40pm

Add 3 for the East Coast, 8 for UK and Ireland and 9 for continental Europe. You're on your own for stage 1 Drumbo!

Even with this forewarning, for some reason, I still confused the times. :fp

I had set the DVR to record what, in my mind, was a condensed, 3-hour, re-broadcast. But I ended up being around for it, so I watched it. Even though the screen clearly said "Live", I had convinced myself that what I was watching had already taken place, so the entire time I was afraid to go online for fear of any spoilers I might encounter.

As it turned out, I was watching the actual live broadcast as it happened. As a result of my ignorance, however,  you'll find that the Live Chat here was pretty sparse
:D

For the most part, however, the lingering sentiment for me was:
God, this race is so unbelievably friggin' boring!!!!
Having to listen to Phil talk about absolutely nothing,; watching a two-man breakaway that had zero chance of anything; occasional attempts by Bob Roll and CVV to pretend that something worhwhile was taking place; and then, insult to injury, having Jens Voigt chime in towards the end was just too much.

Assuming that what was on TV had already happened, I mostly had it on the background, and had fully convinced myself that I was done with this race before it had barely even started. Perfect weather in California only added to the boredom. But a few things got my attention in the final minute.

- I began to sense that my broadcast was, in fact, live, so that made me sit up a bit.

- The sprint seemed a bit disorganized, and Sagan managed to tag onto a  #ineos leadout that somehow hadn't realized who they were inadvertently working for.

-Travis McCabe made a bold run for the line, and kept Sagan honest right up until the final bike lunge. It was nice to the Stars & Stripes with a strong showing.

What really surprised though, more than anything, was Sagan's unmistakable exuberance after his victory. He was genuinely thrilled with his achievement. He seemed really, really happy about it. I'll admit that the California cynic in me was a bit perplexed by this.
 :P

I understand that he's been struggling, and not living up to expectations this season, but I didn't think another stage win in Cali would be so redeeming for him. But clearly he was moved by it.

While I thought that McCabe would've been sorely disappointed with coming so close to a stage win of his own, on the contrary, he was nothing but laughter and smiles during his post-race interview. He was thrilled just to have been in the mix, and was more than happy with having crossed the line second behind the former World Champion Sagan.

It was also McCabe's 30th Birthday today, so that put him in an extra-good mood as well. His ultimate ambition for this race is a podium position in the final GC, and he personally believes some of the upcoming stages are more suited to him, as he doesn't consider himself a pure sprinter. He seemed sincerely, and pleasantly, surprised by his achievement today.
 :)

The only other notable event in the final few minutes was the the failure of the handbell as the peloton began their final lap of the finishing circuit—much to the dismay of the bell-ringer himself. You had one job! Ever the gracious participant, though, Peter Sagan could be seen lending his hand to the repair of the bell just prior to walking on stage to receive his leader's jersey.
 :cool
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Archieboy on May 13, 2019, 08:18
Anyone understand the youth jersey comp rules?
Apparently this is under 25 comp and Stites is leading but Halvorsen finished ahead of him at the line.
What do I not understand ??
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: search on May 13, 2019, 08:44
he took some bonus seconds at the first intermediate sprints, that's why he is up in gc (and therefor also in the youth classification)
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Archieboy on May 13, 2019, 08:48
he took some bonus seconds at the first intermediate sprints, that's why he is up in gc (and therefor also in the youth classification)
cheers Searchy
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 13, 2019, 09:38
https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1127739754491940864

I only watched a replay of the last 15km or so. Some of the teams were very eager to get early trains going. Too eager. Deceuninck got the timing just about right and hit the front with just over 1km to go. Just one problem - Jakobsen was nowhere to be seen. According to the team's report he got boxed in going round the penultimate corner.

Sagan was the main one to profit, but McCabe (a young sprinter according to Phil) also did a great job for the US team. Since the legs are obviously there, McCabe could be one of the few (or only?) quicks in with a chance today.



There was a bonus sprint with ~10km to go. The beneficiaries from it were Mads Pedersen, Grossssschartner and Bennett (in that order). We can draw a few inferences from that.

Pedersen was there to stop others from getting extra seconds --- Porte is feeling good?

Grossssssssssschartner continuing on from Turkey and Romandie? I don't think so as he then finished 15 seconds back at the finish  --- Schachmann must be Bora's guy for GC?
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: LukasCPH on May 13, 2019, 14:57
McCabe (a young sprinter according to Phil)
When you're almost an octogenarian, a 30-year-old is young ... ;)

For the most part, however, the lingering sentiment for me was:
God, this race is so unbelievably friggin' boring!!!!
Not going to argue against this! :-x
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 13, 2019, 17:54
Grossssssssssschartner continuing on from Turkey and Romandie? I don't think so as he then finished 15 seconds back at the finish.

This has been amended and he was given +4s. Must have had a mech.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: rote_laterne on May 13, 2019, 20:57
Drummer boy, I liked your recap of you watching the Tour of California. In fact, I spent more time reading it than watching the race.

Grossssssssssschartner continuing on from Turkey and Romandie? I don't think so as he then finished 15 seconds back at the finish  --- Schachmann must be Bora's guy for GC?

It wouldn't make sense for Großschartner to go for the intermediate sprints when  #bora has better sprinters in the race when he's not going for the GC. But I guess they let the road decide.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 14, 2019, 06:40
Oh boy, I'm too frazzled right now, and I have been for the better part of the past seven hours. I'm been trying to concentrate on way too many things simultaneously, and my brain has been in five different time zones for most of it.
 :S

Such was the case for the last few hours of the this stage. After having watched the Giro stage earlier, and then California launched almost right after that, and much sooner than I was anticipating, I probably didn't give myself enough down time. Plus, with a too many distractions on my end, the ending of this stage seemed very confusing to me.

But I went back and read the CN recap, and now it seems even more confusing. There were a lot of weird dynamics on the road, and I'll have to leave the details of all that to someone else to sort out. Adding more mayhem to the mix was the utterly bewildering data feed coming in from the Tour Tracker. Somewhere along the line they got a couple of hours out of synch. The race updates were a couple of hours behind the video feed (and the TV feed), while their time stamp was a good hour ahead of that. I'm not sure where, or why, it went haywire, but it made it even more difficult to untangle the details.

I'm too tired to dig up any decent pics, but I do know that the final couple of KMs were an uphill challenge, and that TeeJay is now leading the GC, while young Kasper Asgreen  #deceuninck captured his first pro win by snatching the stage victory out from under both van Garderen  #ef, and Gianni Moscon  #ineos in the final hundred meters or so, with an impressive display of fortitude and determination (along with some decent climbing legs, too).

The one bit of excitement I did catch was the near-wipe out of the SRAM support vehicle as it barely stayed on the road, squealing tyres and all, on the final turn coming off gravel onto pavement.

Besides that, I also know that Travis McCabe  #teamusa, yesterday's 2nd place, celebratory birthday boy, came in 31st today, at 01:05, putting his GC podium ambitions a bit more out of reach.

Now I must sleep... :x_x
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: pastronef on May 14, 2019, 07:03
grande Tejayyyyyyyyy!!!! gets the leader jersey for Team EF in the home race. great ride, so important for his confidence, and for his team.

and Moscon is fine!  :D
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Mellow Velo on May 14, 2019, 09:07
 Not the smartest riding by some of the GC boys, or their teams, unless they wanted to practice chasing breaks.
Catch one, switch off, another one goes. All too easy for that final, winning move to slip away. A good result for animating the rest of the rest though, I would think.

 As for young Kasper Asgreen; he's turning out to be quite the phenomenon. I remember a few years back, Gianni Moscon causing much consternation in certain circles, with his ability to both climb and ride the cobbles. Young Kasper already looks to be even better.

Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 14, 2019, 13:21
Another 200+km day today, but no lung busting altitudes. :flustered

Looking at the stats there is also a lot less climbing on the menu (3040m compared to yesterday's 4823m). On the flip-side though the percentages are a lot more testing. Some of the engines that did well on the mainly false flat on stage 2 could find today is a different matter.

Anyway I think it will be one for the break. There are plenty of guys that are a long way down in the GC to choose from. Skujins, Fabbro, Huffman or Swirbul?
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 15, 2019, 05:20
https://twitter.com/nyvelocity/status/1128295688901672960

Add in the NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs that begin only one to two hours after the AToC wraps up, and then go for another three plus hours themselves, and yeah, I'm dizzy by the end of the day.
 :S

This was another strange stage to watch from a distance, as for most of it I viewed from a TV in the background, with plenty of surrounding distractions.

Only an hour into the start of the stage, and with over 160km of 208km remaining, the young duo of Rémi Cavagna  #deceuninck and Alex Hoehn #teamusa (current U23 national road champion) would take up most of the day's attention. Maybe it was because they were out front for so long, I dunno, but from my vantage point, this stage just seemed to take forever! Every time I looked up, there they were, trudging along. Within a half an hour, their lead would grow to eight minutes. Hoehn is no stranger to climbing, as he just recently finished in second place on the Gila Monster climb at the Tour of the Gila.

A little past the halfway point saw those damn cattleguards make an unwelcome appearance in the road.  :angry

What could it possibly take to cover those menacing grates with either carefully placed ply-wood, or rubber-backed carpeting? Anything at all, perhaps?!?!

https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1128465989933326336


Before the young duo reached Mt. Hamilton, 23-year-old Cavagna opted to leave his 21-year-old companion, Hoehn, behind as he struck out on his own for what would be his fate for the remainder of the stage.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 15, 2019, 05:53
Thing did not go so well for Mark Cavendish (again) as a mid-stage mechanical had him waiting...and waiting...and waiting for a bike change. Upon remounting, it seemed somewhat apparent from the look on his face, and the position of his team car, that what he really wanted was a window of time without a camera-moto tracking his every move so as to allow for a nice sticky-bottle tow back to the main group. Not sure how that all panned out, in the end.

But then the road went down...

And somehow, Cavanga stayed upright—but just barely. Shaky and unstable, and seemingly misjudging most of his turns, the Frenchman was lucky to have such a big lead, with no one else on the road to complicate things for him. He spiked a few heartbeats in the booth, though.
https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1128433384009584641

The gap between Cavagna and Hoehn hovered mostly around two minutes, while the peloton remained about eight minutes behind the leader.

With about 22km remaining Simon Geschke  #ccc leapt ahead of the group which sparked Ben King  #didata to join him in the pursuit of Hoehn. The young American rode valiantly in an attempt to hold onto his second place on the stage, but he just didn't have the legs to maintain it, and was soon caught by King and Geshke, who even encouraged him to join them to the line, but he was unable—he had given all that he could for the day.

Behind them, Taylor Phinney #ef was applying continued pressure, driving the peloton towards the leaders.

https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1128507550020714496

Cavagna would hold on to his day-long lead by taking the stage win with a massive gap over the rest of the field.

Hoehn would be caught by the peloton, as Ben King easily overtook Geschke in a two-man sprint to round out the podium.

https://twitter.com/TeamDiData/status/1128455849586962433

https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1128470555085000704
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 15, 2019, 09:33
Nice write-up Drumbo. :cool



Philipsen was the only pure sprinter to make the quite sizeable main group. Not bad. Sagan made it as well, but that would be Juraj Sagan and not Peter. Little brother was back in the laughing group.

Today's stage looks flat, but it again contains over 3000m of climbing, but most of that is in the first half and with a slight headwind for most of the day I still expect a sprint.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 15, 2019, 09:39
Something to get us in the mood for today's stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhjm9LIuW0s
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 15, 2019, 10:04
This is today's finish from 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9nHaWttq7U

A bit of a drag up to the line. It was an impressive sprint (leadout) from Zabel that day. Could he go one better in 2019?
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Mellow Velo on May 15, 2019, 11:16
 What's the point of having a cattle guard/grid on a road, when the cattle can just walk around it and up the bank? :fp  :lol
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 15, 2019, 13:37
What's the point of having a cattle guard/grid on a road, when the cattle can just walk around it and up the bank? :fp  :lol
:P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNGw-Az7WUo

To be fair, though, if you look closely at the video from ToC, when they zoom in, you can see the barbed wire fencing (in yellow) off to the side. So these crossings tend to pass through fence lines. I think the peloton faced eight of them yesterday, which seems like eight too many to me.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 15, 2019, 14:57
I mentioned in the race chat about a previous cattle guard-related crash. Turns out it was the 2015 USA Pro Cycling Challenge.

This letter (https://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/blog/2011/11/25/plea-sanity) was written as part of a protest against the removal of race radios, claiming that they could prevent such tragedies. But really, wouldn't covering up those gratings make a lot more sense in general?

[Excerpt]
Quote
To the professional cycling community:

On Wednesday, August 24th, at the USA Pro Cycling Challenge in Colorado,
USA during the Queen stage of the race a horrible crash happened at a
cattle guard. Myself and two other riders were hospitalized. There was
no warning that we were approaching the cattle guard. The crash occurred
because one of the riders put his front wheel into the space separating
the two sides of the cattle guard: his speed instantaneously changed
from 55km/h to zero, his front wheel shattering, sending him face-first
into the road. I hit him, shearing my fork in two, and myself crashing
into the road to shatter my helmet and fracture my back.

Speaking with people the following day they said that this particular cattle
guard was in very bad shape: simply walking across it had been
difficult. The gap between the two grids (into which Callegarin put his
wheel) that made up the cattle guard was particularly wide and the rods
themselves were triangular in shape and very rough. The riders should
have been warned about its dangerous nature. Had we racers had enough
forewarning to prepare ourselves, and space out for the cattle guard,
this accident could have been avoided.

...

-Andrew Randell


Quote
Canadian pro Andrew Randell (Pro Continental team, Spider Tech - C10) along with
Ivan Basso (Liquigas-Cannondale), Davide Frattini (UnitedHealthcare),
Daniele Callegarin (Team Type 1) and Sergio Hernandez (Jelly Belly) all
went down after a collision with a cattle guard.

Randell, Callegarin, and Hernandez were all taken to hospital with a variety of
fractures, lacerations concussion and the usual lost bit of bark.
Randell himself emerged from the incident with a fractured back.


What sometimes occurs, and I believe what's being described above, is that there is a perpendicular seam, right down the middle, between the two sides of the grating. It would be hard to design a more perfect obstacle to a bicycle tyre.
 :S

(https://westernnews.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/news/tease/legacy/cvbugle/49103a_t715.jpg?529764a1de2bdd0f74a9fb4f856b01a9d617b3e9)

'Coffee' the miniature horse rescued after falling through cattle guard (https://www.cvbugle.com/news/2016/mar/17/coffee-the-miniature-horse-rescued-after-falling-/)
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: LukasCPH on May 15, 2019, 15:53
A little past the halfway point saw those damn cattleguards make an unwelcome appearance in the road.  :angry

What could it possibly take to cover those menacing grates with either carefully placed ply-wood, or rubber-backed carpeting? Anything at all, perhaps?!?!
Thinking ahead and recognising these danger points. :shh

On the actual racing: Man, that sounds almost insufferably dull. :zzz2
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 16, 2019, 05:48
Good morning, Europe.  :)

Stage 4 of the Amgen Tour of California

Did I get that right? I sometimes forget who the sponsor is. It’s not like the name is repeated every, single, time that Liggett, Roll, CVV, Jens, etc, mention the race itself. Sorry, but doing so provides little more than a pretentious and commercial sheen to this race, and always leaves me feeling like I need to wash my hands and face. We get it. It’s Amgen, and they sponsor this race: the Amgen Tour of California.

I can still remember when Vande Velde was participating in this event on the road, and how dutifully he would parrot the sponsor’s name at every chance, in every interview. A good company man, and clearly following orders from the PR department. It was painfully obvious that he was jockeying for the very position that he presently holds.

Again, we get it. Its overuse becomes part of the annoying fabric of a race that is mostly PR anyway (other two-letter references may be used at will). Even the text updates on the Tour Tracker are shamelessly copy/pasted from the tourism department. “On this stage, you can enjoy the magnificent vistas from such-and-such Tavern/Inn...” Yeah, if you happen to be staying there. So hurray for those two dozen people.

The funniest thing is that with all the paid-for-promo that the sponsor receives, and the countless times that their name is obediently repeated, nobody ever seems to mention exactly what it is that AMGEN does. Oh, the irony.
 :-x
 
OK, rant over. I feel better. At least I can copy/paste that myself for all future editions of this race.

So then, on to the actual racing... :lol
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 16, 2019, 05:57
I was a very late arrival to today’s viewing, and it became evident right away that I had timed it perfectly, in that I had missed absolutely nothing of note.

An five-man break formed very early on.
Roy Goldstein  #academy
Jonny Brown (current USA Road Champion) and Ian Garrison, both of  #axeon
Joonas Henttala  #novonordisk
and Michael Hernandez  #teamusa

The rain came and went, then came back again for a bit; scenic scenes were seen along the coast; the break was kept mostly between two and three minutes. It was the ToC.

At 102 km remaining, the race was 25 minutes slower than the slowest predicted time. By 85 km a steady coastal headwind slowed that to 45 minutes, with an average speed of 35kph. 
:serious

Michael Hernandez (USA) collected several KOM points as part of the break, ensuring that his teammate Alex Hoehn would keep the KOM jersey for the day. Fast forward to 24 km remaining...

https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1128826726451097601

To their credit, the break that had been out front all day had no intentions of easily conceding to the peloton. They rode well together, with a suggestion of aggression, that finally unleashed itself with 24 km remaining. Henttala jumped first, followed immediately by Hernandez, who would go on to launch multiple attacks over the next few kilometers, making for a bit of excitement after a hard day’s work.

With under 10km remaining, Hernandez put in yet another aggressive dig with the peloton finally closing fast. He was not going down without a fight, and would make them work all the way to catch him.

But then, just when the run-in to the finale looked to be painfully predictable...

An event occured!
In California!  :o

Crash!
Rider down!
The Yellow Jersey picking himself up from the road!
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 16, 2019, 06:12
Word from the booth was that it was a broken chain that caused Tejay to lose control of his bike. Which is absurd given that they were on the flats, and not even close to full power.

(Again, dipping into the memory banks) I distinctly remember an incident when David Millar was in argyle when he lost a stage after a day-long breakaway, due to a snapped (SRAM) chain. Along with that was Paul Sherwen’s amazement that such a thing could even happen—blaming it on the never-ending effort to shed grams from the bike and its parts—because in his day, it was “unheard of” (at least under normal racing conditions).
But I digress...


As a result of Tejay’s mishap, he was forced to ride teammate Lachlan Morton’s bike. By now the main field was going full gas to the line, so it was panic time for EF Education (who just got schooled on component choices). The team quickly assembled a rescue train for van Garderen, and took some very generous drafting opportunities from the four-wheeled assistance in front of them. (And, frankly, I’m a bit surprised they weren’t penalized for their liberal use of such.)

Moments later, as they approached a hard-right turn in the road, Morton’s poorly-fitting bike may have affected Tejay’s handling [update: Morton uses an opposing brake setup. Doh!] as his rear wheel almost slid out on a painted traffic arrow, causing van Garderen to completely miss the turn, and instead shoot straight ahead past it.
More panic!
 :o

Tejay had to scramble to regain contact with his teammates. From then on it was an EF  #ef TTT in an effort to close as much distance as they could to the charging, sprint-hungry peloton up ahead.

Almost 3k to go...and another crash! It’s mayhem on the road with Katusha riders on the pavement. This one causes more delays for both the EF rescue train, and 2nd place GC rider Gianni Moscon (INS).
 :o

Meanwhile up the road, the sprinters were winding themselves up, and Peter Sagan was going for another stage win. But Fabio Jakobsen  #deceuninck was up for the challenge and fulfilled expectations by edging-out Jasper Philipsen  #uae (2nd across the line) to take the win, with Sagan in 3rd.

All eyes now turned to the clock to see Tejay and Co. clambering across the line nearly a minute down. Would he lose his leader’s jersey????? Da da da dummmm...

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/1128819815781621761

At first it appeared that Kasper Asgreen (DQT) might assume Yellow, but half an hour after the finish it was announced that Tejay would, in fact, retain his leadership.

https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1128832221744312320

In addition, Sagan would take the Green, while Hoehn remained in Polka Dots. Hernandez earned Most Courageous Rider, while Tadej Pogascar (UAD) was best Young Rider.

https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1128827641337851905


And that, folks, is how the race was won...and nearly lost.  :P
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 16, 2019, 09:15


https://twitter.com/RobinmCarpenter/status/1128831408980422656

What a joke of a decision. :fp

Kudos to Tony Gibb on commentary btw[1]. As soon as TJ had switched bikes with Morton he pointed out that the new bike didn't have disk brakes and also wondered if Morton had his brake levers the other way round. He rather spoilt his copybook later on though by calling the winner as Asgreen.
 1. It was on a re-run, but I'll assume the comms were live
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Mellow Velo on May 16, 2019, 09:41
 I was coming here, having just caught up witnessing the finish, to say that watching the racing here and at the Giro, this week is like watching 5 hours of a Scandi mystery, followed by 15 minutes of Tom Cruises latest MI. :D

 However, having now also caught up with the result, I think I should have gone with a WWE analogy.

 This is one of the most ludicrous decisions that I can remember.
 Same thing happened to Flo's boy, Alberto at the Tour: got caught up behind a second crash and shipped a bunch load of time as a result.

 The rule is that you have to be in the bunch at 3kms to get the same time and no way was TJ in the bunch.
Plus, it wasn't even at 3kms!

This is why this sport is viewed by some as a joke. We have rules, but they are always open to interpretation. I prefer the term flexible. :(
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 16, 2019, 10:20
https://twitter.com/Cicloweb_it/status/1128941964752240641

The commissioners can't do anything about this unfortunately. Wrist for Meintjes and collarbone for Roosen.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 16, 2019, 13:16
https://www.ventusky.com/ventura

(http://i65.tinypic.com/b4zs6q.png)

Windy old day out in California. That's not to say it'll have the effect we want. The course does go inland for a fair portion of the day and hills could shelter the riders. However Ineos, Deceuninck or Bora could still try something.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 16, 2019, 16:57
More on the kerfuffle...

https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/1128925480860753920

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1128934045533069312
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Mellow Velo on May 16, 2019, 18:04
 The race twitter account makes for some pretty embarrassing reading.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 16, 2019, 18:05
JV, thin-skinned and defensive as always.

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/1129061782025146368
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 17, 2019, 09:08
https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1129147412075884544

The strong tailwind meant we got high speeds and an early-ish finish yesterday. Huzzah!

A large and strong break (Sagan, Skujins, Powless, Philipsen, Ballerini etc) got away, but the peloton weren't of a mind to let them have the win. Bahrain in particular were helping EF to keep the gap manageable.

Onto the final climb and Declercq was the last of the break to be caught, Stybar (?) attacked almost immediately and had a small gap. There wasn't much going on behind until Higuita and Bennett sprinted past for the bonuses at the top. Bennett pushed on down the descent, but Archie's little man wasn't interested in working. So first a small group of mainly GC riders (but not TJ) got back and then an even bigger group containing some fast men (and TJ) connected and we ended up with the above sprint.

Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 17, 2019, 17:07
https://twitter.com/Ciclavalley/status/1129407224063770624

Some pictures to get you in the mood.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: M Gee on May 18, 2019, 03:06
Great drama on the Mt Baldy finish.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: just some guy on May 18, 2019, 11:47
My man Higuita gets his first outing with his new WT team

And said to TJ see you later ps I am leading the Vuelta
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 18, 2019, 18:27
https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1129521318250999808

I only had time this morning to skim through the final 5km of the climb, so no stage round-up.

Seriously though while watching the finale, I did say to myself "I wonder if anyone is gonna balls up the last corner". It's a tricky one when you're pecht oot. Gesink (?) nearly messed it up a few years back.



Stage 2 was no flash in the pan for Asgreen. He was right up there again yesterday. Magnus Cort did well also.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 18, 2019, 18:35
Shorter stage and earlier finish today. :cool

It's not inconceivable that we get some action. Pogacar for climbing support only really has VSL and Munoz. If EF want to shake things up they have TJ, Uran and especially Morton not too far back. Get one of them in a break with other interested parties and UAE might have to rely on the kindness of strangers to keep it all in check.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 19, 2019, 21:24
https://twitter.com/AmgenTOC/status/1129849861862412288

I was thankfully correct about the stage. There was a bit of action.

Schachmann was the danger man in the BOTD. EF didn't follow my plan to put Morton in there, but decided instead to really push on the climb to Angeles Forest Highway. It wasn't tough enough to eliminate any of the main GC riders, but they were all isolated (for the time being) apart from the EF riders who had numbers.

They caught the break a while later and it contained a few team mates for various riders.

Onto the descent and TV coverage was breaking up/unavailable. Schachmann along with Hofstede and Cavagna went on the attack again (all three had been in the break). Remi's descending looked a bit better than the other day. Ballerini bridged and more interestingly so did Asgreen. The Dane was just twenty seconds down on the GC and at one point they had a gap of ~30 seconds over the other group of favourites.

It wasn't to be though. The three laps round the finishing Rose Bowl circuit enabled the peloton to catch the favourites and then the Asgreen group. Poor course design if you ask me.



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D64WTEDWwAAXZvr.jpg)

Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: t-72 on May 19, 2019, 21:57
I got to watch a recording of the Baldy stage, and I have to say it was a fantastic race by #uae Pogacar, but by now (having watched him win 3 stage races) I have become used to his style and this climb suited him perfectly. He is superb on long climbs without too much of a gradient, and it seems that his endurance is his strong hand - he always comes back late with a strong surge (not a sprint, just a surge), which can defeat more explosive climbers. I will put him over in the Chris Froome side of the spectrum but without Froome's accelrations (so far, not seen) and perhaps a bit of Ryder Hesjedal / Bauke Mollema too.

Pogacar comes across as tactically clever, as his two GC wins this year have come with small margins and late in the race. Now, let's hope UAE let him rest and train in adequate doses for such a young rider and that they won't run him though every grand tour to become the next Meintjes. If his development is carefully guided, he can become one of the best in a new generation of GC riders.
 
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Leadbelly on May 20, 2019, 13:02
Youngest ever winner of a WT stage race. There are WT races and there are WT races of course, but nevertheless it's still very impressive.

Although imo Asgreen probably eclipsed him in the impressiveness stakes, if only because he had no preceding results to show that this sort of performance was possible. A big engine yes, but climbing like this? Add that to his cobbles prowess, a fast finish and not too shabby time trialling......he'll be at Ineos in no time.

Speaking of which, the newly sponsored team had a pretty anonymous time in California. One top-3 for Moscon and a handful of top-tens for Halvorsen. Nothing that special, which kinda mirrors their season (with a couple of exceptions).

The two big American PCT outfits must be disappointed as well. Although Rally had a better time of it, they went in with bigger expectations (from McNulty) and neither can be too happy. Hagens Berman best placing in a stage was 24th! They were in breaks, but didn't really look like doing anything. It was the Aevolo youngsters Hernandez and Hoehn on the USA National team who were getting in the mix for the KoM jersey and intermediate sprints.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 20, 2019, 15:38
The two big American PCT outfits must be disappointed as well.

I wasn't able to follow the race very closely during its last couple days, but I did make note of this final GC placing:

44 Travis McCabe (USA) USA National Team   0:28:17

I had noted previously in the thread that McCabe had final GC podium ambitions, based on the overall course profile, but now I can't seem to find the interview where that quote came from. I seem to remember that it also included a supportive quote from his wife/girlfriend about those same goals, but now I just can't find it. I could've sworn that I read that in one of his interviews after coming in second to Sagan in Stage One.

Did I imagine that, or misremember that, or did I simply attribute it to the wrong person?
 :S
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: LukasCPH on May 20, 2019, 20:01

I wasn't able to follow the race very closely during its last couple days, but I did make note of this final GC placing:

44 Travis McCabe (USA) USA National Team   0:28:17

I had noted previously in the thread that McCabe had final GC podium ambitions, based on the overall course profile, but now I can't seem to find the interview where that quote came from. I seem to remember that it also included a supportive quote from his wife/girlfriend about those same goals, but now I just can't find it. I could've sworn that I read that in one of his interviews after coming in second to Sagan in Stage One.

Did I imagine that, or misremember that, or did I simply attribute it to the wrong person?
 :S
McCabe having overall podium ambitions for California? I don't think he's that delusional.
He's a very good sprinter, but that's what he is. A sprinter.
In a stage race with Mount Baldy, there's no way he'll podium.
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: t-72 on May 20, 2019, 20:08
Although imo Asgreen probably eclipsed him in the impressiveness stakes, if only because he had no preceding results to show that this sort of performance was possible. A big engine yes, but climbing like this? Add that to his cobbles prowess, a fast finish and not too shabby time trialling......he'll be at Ineos in no time.

The race fits this rider category, for example not only Asgreen, but also #uae VSL (aka Vegard Stake Laengen) did not feature in the GC this year as he was riding in support of Pogacar but on a previous occasion he brought home a 6th place in the GC. I think that even if the climbs are long, the roads are smooth and the gradients doesn't kill these heavier locomotives, even if they are built for hauling the peloton along loong stretches of road.

EDIT: Thomas de Gendt could probably win it ...
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 21, 2019, 01:16
McCabe having overall podium ambitions for California?

It turns out that I didn't imagine it after all!  :P

After searching Google high and low to find the interview in question, it occurred to me that it was actually in the post-stage comments, on NBC Sports, that I heard the remarks. Luckily, I hadn't yet erased Stage 1 from the DVR, and there it was, in the final fifteen minutes of coverage. As they were talking about both Sagan and McCabe, in the immediate aftermath of the sprint, the following conversation took place:

Liggett: "I'll tell you what. Before the race started, we spoke to the girlfriend of Travis McCabe, and she told us that the aim this week is a podium finish in Pasadena. And he's off to a terrific start with second place."

Roll: "Stage 3 with some climbing..."

Vande Velde: "Yup."

Roll: "Stage 5 ['Yup'] also might factor into his fitness even better."


For whatever reason, they all seemed to agree that it was a realistic goal.

This was all reinforced with Travis' pre-podium interview with Steve Schlanger.

"Now, your goals for the week, were a podium...but down the road, not on this opening day. How surprising was this?"

McCabe: "It's pretty surprising. I mean honestly, I'm not a 'pure sprinter.' I was looking at more stages like, Stage 3 and 4, I believe, and the next stage after that."


I shouldn't have doubted my memory.  :s
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: LukasCPH on May 21, 2019, 06:53
It turns out that I didn't imagine it after all!  :P
:o :S

Here's my attempt at an explanation:
'A podium finish in Pasadena' could mean 'a podium on that stage', not overall. :P
And Liggett, old man that he is, simply understood that wrongly. ;)
Finishing on the stage podium in Pasadena wouldn't have been out of the question at all - only a small group left after a stage with lots of climbing and a whirlwind Rose Bowl finishing circuit. McCabe finished 7th.

Stages 1, 3, 4, and 5 ended with sprints of some sort (sometimes with attackers still up the road), so it's not unrealistic that McCabe could have been there. And he was - except for stage 5 with the wall at the outskirts of Ventura the steepness of which apparently caught everyone (at least on the commentary team) by surprise.[1] He lost 28" there, and 1'05" at Lake Tahoe on stage 2 with its 1200-metre uphill finish (I hesitate to call it a mountaintop finish).
And then he was in the gruppetto to Mount Baldy.

McCabe may not be a 'pure sprinter', and he probably took it easy up Mount Baldy, otherwise he would have been far close to the front that day. To give an indication, #astana Magnus Cort is the best-placed rider on that stage who can be labeled 'sprinter' - in 18th place, 1'18" down. If we, hypothetically, put McCabe a bit further down (WT rider vs. US Conti pro), he would end up with an overall time gap of 2-3 minutes to the best.
That would put him somewhere between 15th and 20th.
Which he may well have achieved under the best of circumstances. But the overall podium? Only if Mount Baldy had been snowed out.

 1. To which I say: Do you not look at the roadbook?!
Title: Re: [WT] Tour of California
Post by: Drummer Boy on May 21, 2019, 16:15
:o :S

Here's my attempt at an explanation:
'A podium finish in Pasadena' could mean 'a podium on that stage', not overall.

I keep trying to respond but my browser keeps crashing like a pre-Sky Froome Time Trial.

I agree with your overall interpretation (I suppose there may have been one of the other jerseys in mind too, but who knows).

That's the problem with journalists getting too cute with what they're trying to convey.

A "podium in Pasadena," or a "podium down the road." Both are too vague. Say what you mean!!!

Also, the fact that Bob Roll and Christian VdV didn't offer any pushback or clarification didn't help either. Roll seemed to be implying a possible cumulative victory by mentioning those other stages. It's too bad we can't just read or hear McCabe's girlfriend's interview (if it was even that) for ourselves.

I don't want to put words into Travis' mouth that he never may have intended in the first place. He's still super enthusiastic about racing, and was more than happy just to be on Sagan's wheel for the opening sprint. A nice birthday present for him it was. I'm sure we'll more from him before the season is done.

Go Floyd's of Leadville! :win  :P