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Title: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 15, 2019, 07:51
83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019

The Tour de Suisse ends two weeks before the Tour de France starts and, along with the Critérium du Dauphiné, the race is seen as an ideal race to test the shape before the July showdown. The 2019 edition starts on Saturday 15 June with a short ITT to finish with the Queen Stage on Sunday the 23th. Featuring two mountain stages and another ITT, the last weekend is probably going to be decisive. Richie Porte is title holder. He won last year’s GC ahead of Jakob Fuglsang and Nairo Quintana.

(https://www.tourdesuisse.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/_processed_/7/9/csm_Schweizer_Karte_Detail_2019_924b75d5e5.png)

Stage 1:  Langnau 9.5kms ITT
The 1st stage of the Tour de Suisse is a flat individual time trial of 9.5 kilometres. It is an out-and-back race in the Emme valley with Langnau as its start and finish hub.
The Tour de Suisse kicks into gear on an extremely fast course. It is flat and features only three corners. The route follows the river Emme until Lauperswil to head back on the same road.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/ad/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-1-map-1dbd455618.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-01.jpg)

Stage 2:  Langnau im Emmental  ›  Langnau im Emmental   (159.6k)
The Tour de Suisse serves up a circuit race around Langnau on the second day of action. The hilly route of 159.6 kilometres takes in an altitude gain of 2,532 metres.
The 2nd stage includes three identical rounds of 53.2 kilometres. The Schallenberg is crested 21.1 kilometres into each lap and straight after the descent it goes back up again on the Chuderhüsi Pass, which is crested at kilometre 33.4. The route drops down to Langnau for a passage on the line after 53.2 kilometres.

The circuit is situated south of Langnau.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/fe/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-2-map-866ee17dc1.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-02.jpg)

Stage 3:  Flamatt  ›  Murten   (162.3k)
The 3rd stage of the Tour de Suisse is far from flat, yet a bunch sprint is the most likely outcome at the end of the 162.3 kilometres race from Flamatt to Murten.
Following the start in Flammatt the route is a near constant uphill, although at shallow gradients. The last kilometre before the first KOM in Berg – after 27.8 kilometres – is somewhat steeper. Then the riders continue on undulating roads for the most of the day. The route loops around the Lake of Gruyère and moves through Fribourg’s historic centre – with its double digit cobbles -, while the last 30 kilometres are a lap around Lake Murten.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/ac/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-3-map-842917bbca.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-03.jpg)

Stage 4:  Murten  ›  Arlesheim   (163.9k)
At 163.9 kilometres, the 4th stage of the Tour de Suisse travels from Murten to Arlesheim. Following a predominantly flat first part, the route serves a hilly second half. A 3.4 kilometres ascent at 9.4% is crested with 14 kilometres out.
The route is mostly played out on nearly flat roads until the Passwang appears around the halfway mark. The 11 kilometres climb is marked by gradients of 4 to 5%. After the descent the route continues to go up at even shallower gradients to enter the finish loop around Arlesheim, a place just south of Basel. The punchy Hochwald climb – 3.4 kilometres at 9.4% – is crested twice, the last time with 14 kilometres remaining. A short uphill kick at the end of the downhill leads to a flat run-in to the line.

The 4th stage of the Tour de Suisse features an altitude gain of 1,980 metres, virtually all in the second half of the race.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/af/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-4-map-0ee15bce2a.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-04.jpg)

Stage 5:  Münchenstein  ›  Einsiedeln   (177k)
The 5th stage of the Tour de Suisse offers the fast men a last chance to shine. At 177 kilometres, the route runs from Münchenstein to Einsiedeln and the last 35 kilometres are played out on the flat.

Yes, stage 5 is an opportunity for sprinters, yet the route is far from flat. The race features 2,750 vertical metres. But since virtually all of this is included in the first 144 kilometres a bunch sprint is still the most likely outcome.

On rolling to hilly roads the route cuts straight across the Swiss Plateau until a 10 kilometres climb at shallow gradients takes the riders to Sattel, where the caravan arrives at kilometre 143. The first passage on the finish line is at kilometre 153 before the riders complete a loop around Lake Sihl. The finish is near Einsiedeln Abbey, a Benedictine monastery that dates back to the year 934.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/ff/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-5-map-e8e4ca091d.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-05.jpg)

Stage 6:  Einsiedeln  ›  Flumserberg   (120.2k)
At 120.2 kilometres, the 6th stage of the Tour de Suisse is the shortest of this edition. The race travels from Einsiedeln to a final climb of 10.8 kilometres to Flumserberg. The average gradient of the final haul up sits at 9%.
Although the route totals a moderate altitude gain – 1,941 metres – the final climb could open up some majors gaps on GC. So possibly the 6th stage will be the first key moment in terms of the battle for the overall victory in this year’s Tour de Suisse.
The route descends to a section of 10 kilometres on the flat before the climb to Flumserberg appears. The 10.8 kilometres ascent is steady, with gradients mostly hovering around 8 to 9%. The third and fourth kilometre before the top serve double digits, though.
Flumserberg lies high above Lake Walen. The last time the Tour de Suisse visites the ski resort was in 1995, when Marco Pantani climbed to victory with a successful solo breakaway.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/fc/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-6-map-4de7422788.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-06.jpg)

Stage 7  »  Unterterzen  ›  St. Gotthard   (216.6k)
The 7th stage is the longest in the Tour de Suisse. At 216.6 kilometres, the route goes from Unterterzen to a summit finish at the Gotthard Pass. The final climb is 13.5 kilometres and the gradient sits at 7.1%, while the last 8 kilometres are cobbled.
The stage sets out along Lake Walen. The route runs false flat uphill until the first proper vertical metres lead to Flims. The climb is crested at kilometre 65 before the route continues false flat to the foot of the Lukmanier Pass, which is a long test. The Lukmanier amounts to 19.8 kilometres, while the average gradient sits at 3.9%. The maximum incline on the pass is 10%.
The peak is crested after 122.8 kilometres before a 40 kilometres descent brings the riders back to the valley. Shortly the route once again goes uphill and continues to do so for the last 50 kilometres. On fairly shallow gradients the riders climb to Airolo before tackling the relentless Gotthard Pass via the partly cobbled Tremola road. Although the pavé is well maintained, the climb is still a vibratory and energy-sapping experience.
The total altitude gain of the 7th stage is 4,080 metres, while the Saint Gotthard ascent accounts for 932 metres. The climb is 12.7 kilometres and the average gradient sits at 7.3%.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/ea/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-7-map-36237dea7a.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-07.jpg)
(http://carcrazedfool.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/saint-gotthard-pass-02.jpg)

Stage 8 (ITT)   Goms  ›  Goms   (19.2k)
The penultimate stage of the Tour de Suisse is a 19.2 kilometres ITT in Goms. Although the race is played at an altitude of more than 1,300 metres, the course is predominantly flat with an altitude gain of 98 metres. The intermediate time check is after 11 kilometres in Obergesteln.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/cd/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-8-map-719e3d75e6.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-08.jpg)

Stage 9:  Goms  ›  Goms   (144.4k)
The Tour de Suisses saves its Queen Stage for last. At 144.4 kilometres, the out-and-back race in Ulrichen takes in the Furka, Susten and Grimsel passes as intermediate climbs before a 14 kilometres drop back to the valley and a final run-in of 8 kilometres on the flat.
The total altitude gain in the 9th stage of the Tour de Suisse amounts to 4,020 metres, while there is barely a flat stretch for relief between the climbs.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/ca/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-9-map-21b1eb2f83.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-09.jpg)

 Following the start in the race hub of the last two days, Ulrichen, the riders tackle the Furka Pass. The 16.5 kilometres ascent slopes at 6.3%, while the famous Aston DB5-Ford Mustang car chase in James Bond’s Goldfinger was shot here. Peaking out at 2,429 metres, the Furka is the highest point on the 2019 Tour de Suisse.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i1EU1KIUIQY/VWL_uhZl31I/AAAAAAAAB34/1x643TrVs_I/s1600/Goldfinger%2B0-36-16.jpg)
(https://www.cycling-challenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/furkaW700.png)

The riders fly down a descent of more than 30 kilometres before tackling the Susten Pass, which is another long yet steady test. The climb from foot to top amounts to 17.4 kilometres and the average gradient sits at 7.5%. The maximum incline on the Susten is 9%.

(https://www.cyclingcols.com/profiles/SustenE.gif)

Another long descent takes the riders to the foot of the last climb of the Tour de Suisse, which is the longest climb of the day. The Grimsel Pass adds up to 26 kilometres of uphill with an average gradient of 5.9%.

(https://www.climbbybike.com/profile/Passo_del_Grimsel_Innertkirchen_profile.gif)

Startlist, here:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-suisse/2019/stage-1/startlist

Now the bad news. While Swiss tv have extensive coverage Eurosport in their wisdom are only showing the race via their player. UK Eurosport only have 1 hour highlights televised. Still that's better than the rest of Europe, who get zilch from "The Home of Cycling".
L'Equipe look after France with full coverage. (they are currently showing Hungary live, too)
ETB (Basque) coverage in Spain.
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 16, 2019, 19:06
The race started with #bahrain Rohan Dennis' first win for Bahrain - by 0.15s:



before #deceuninck Kasper Asgreen took over the lead on day 2, by 0,09s, in a stage #astana Luis Leon Sanchez won with a late attack:



Tomorrow we should get to see a sprint for the win then, I guess...

Stage 3:  Flamatt  ›  Murten   (162.3k)
The 3rd stage of the Tour de Suisse is far from flat, yet a bunch sprint is the most likely outcome at the end of the 162.3 kilometres race from Flamatt to Murten.
Following the start in Flammatt the route is a near constant uphill, although at shallow gradients. The last kilometre before the first KOM in Berg – after 27.8 kilometres – is somewhat steeper. Then the riders continue on undulating roads for the most of the day. The route loops around the Lake of Gruyère and moves through Fribourg’s historic centre – with its double digit cobbles -, while the last 30 kilometres are a lap around Lake Murten.

...but there are not only double digit cobbles in Fribourg, but also in Murten...

(https://www.murtenbieter.ch/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/fko_Kriterium_IMG_9443_bea-1024x683.jpg)

...as the stage finishes on the so called "Raffor-Stutz", 150m at 12% average.

https://veloviewer.com/segments/4500506
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 18, 2019, 08:17
in the end it was a nice finish, but not that exciting, and with the predicted winner #bora Peter Sagan - taking a victory in the Tour de Suisse for the 9th year in a row




Stage 4:  Murten  ›  Arlesheim   (163.9k)
At 163.9 kilometres, the 4th stage of the Tour de Suisse travels from Murten to Arlesheim. Following a predominantly flat first part, the route serves a hilly second half. A 3.4 kilometres ascent at 9.4% is crested with 14 kilometres out.
The route is mostly played out on nearly flat roads until the Passwang appears around the halfway mark. The 11 kilometres climb is marked by gradients of 4 to 5%. After the descent the route continues to go up at even shallower gradients to enter the finish loop around Arlesheim, a place just south of Basel. The punchy Hochwald climb – 3.4 kilometres at 9.4% – is crested twice, the last time with 14 kilometres remaining. A short uphill kick at the end of the downhill leads to a flat run-in to the line.

The 4th stage of the Tour de Suisse features an altitude gain of 1,980 metres, virtually all in the second half of the race.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/af/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-4-map-0ee15bce2a.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-04.jpg)

today's stage could be more like day #2 again, with attackers/escapees having a chance, but also a reduced bunch sprint is a possibility. Last time they used this finish (in 2006) Nick Nuyens won from a late breakaway that went clear on the Eichenberg/Hochwald climb

Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 18, 2019, 13:41
in the end [Stage 3] was a nice finish, but not that exciting, and with the predicted winner #bora Peter Sagan - taking a victory in the Tour de Suisse for the 9th year in a row.

Degenkolb was none too happy with Sagan shouldering him off his own lead-out man. You could see Jasper Stuyven look around in somewhat dismay just before Sagan launched, probably wondering what happened to Degenkolb, and just what the heck Sagan was doing in that position.

But the Slovakian looked just so strong in his punch up that final incline that I doubt anyone was going to challenge him, even if had started slightly behind. That being said, I believe it was Hincapie who was recently commenting on Sagan, after it was suggested that he was well-liked both in and outside of the peloton. He made it pretty clear that Sagan, like Lance, was "a killer," and that doesn't always make for great friendships. He goes for what he feels is rightfully his—all is fair in love and war, etc.
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 19, 2019, 08:02
in the end, the sprint wasn't even a "reduced" one really. #bora Bora had to set the pace all day for #yellow Peter Sagan, and with a relatively weak climbing team, this resulted in a low enough speed on the climbs for the sprinters to hang on.



I amagine #astana Astana may have had ideas to give it a go again, but after Fraile and Zeits crashed, they probably abandoned their plans.

...or postponed it until today ;)

Stage 5:  Münchenstein  ›  Einsiedeln   (177k)
The 5th stage of the Tour de Suisse offers the fast men a last chance to shine. At 177 kilometres, the route runs from Münchenstein to Einsiedeln and the last 35 kilometres are played out on the flat.

Yes, stage 5 is an opportunity for sprinters, yet the route is far from flat. The race features 2,750 vertical metres. But since virtually all of this is included in the first 144 kilometres a bunch sprint is still the most likely outcome.

On rolling to hilly roads the route cuts straight across the Swiss Plateau until a 10 kilometres climb at shallow gradients takes the riders to Sattel, where the caravan arrives at kilometre 143. The first passage on the finish line is at kilometre 153 before the riders complete a loop around Lake Sihl. The finish is near Einsiedeln Abbey, a Benedictine monastery that dates back to the year 934.

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/ff/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-5-map-e8e4ca091d.jpg)
(http://www.steephill.tv/2019/tour-de-suisse/profile-05.jpg)

The challenging start of the race looks good for a strong breakaway to form though.

The finish itself is another uphill one on cobbles, 500m at ~5% average
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 19, 2019, 09:08
 Somebody needs to have a word with the organizers over their profiles.
Completely screwed up my Velogames, sprinter free team. :fp

 But yeah, this looks more promising in terms of Astana putting the hammer down for their punchy outfit.
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 19, 2019, 09:16
But yeah, this looks more promising in terms of Astana putting the hammer down for their punchy outfit.

or maybe not?! :P

(https://www.procyclingstats.com/images/profiles/ap/ff/tour-de-suisse-2019-stage-5-climb-n3-8e87be93af.jpg)

hard to see anyone getting dropped on a climb like that
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 19, 2019, 13:58
83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019

Stage 9:  Goms  ›  Goms   (144.4k)

Following the start in the race hub of the last two days, Ulrichen, the riders tackle the Furka Pass. The 16.5 kilometres ascent slopes at 6.3%, while the famous Aston DB5-Ford Mustang car chase in James Bond’s Goldfinger was shot here. Peaking out at 2,429 metres, the Furka is the highest point on the 2019 Tour de Suisse.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i1EU1KIUIQY/VWL_uhZl31I/AAAAAAAAB34/1x643TrVs_I/s1600/Goldfinger%2B0-36-16.jpg)

I had that car as a kid. Complete with ejector seat, rear-window bullet-proof shield, and weaponized wheels!  :cool

 :P

(http://www.007collector.com/bond/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/gilbert_AM-DB5-tintoy-non-JB.jpg)
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 19, 2019, 19:16
They have actually manage to make a decent fist of coming up with an alternative route for the Queen stage. Slightly shorter, (The map says 105kms, but it's actually 101.5kms) with 1000 metres less climbing, but they got a little higher and with stiffer gradients.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9cIirFXsAA3FKi.jpg:large)


In case anyone is still in the dark over the need for a route change:

https://www.srf.ch/sport/mehr-sport/rad/aus-sicherheitsgruenden-koenigsetappe-komplett-neu-konzipiert
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 19, 2019, 19:52
Peter not so impressed with his rival team's effort today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8hUMJy8OI0

Quote
Elia won, and I shake his hand. He did a good job in the final, for sure they had the strongest team for the sprint but...in the end, they didn't do anything all day.
:D
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 19, 2019, 20:28

Peter not so impressed with his rival team's effort today.

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Elia won, and I shake his hand. He did a good job in the final, for sure they had the strongest team for the sprint but...in the end, they didn't do anything all day.


Unlike Peter, who big contribution today was to knock local boy, Michael Schär, off his bike and into the gutter.
It comes with wearing the yellow jersey, mate. Team obligation etc.

Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 19, 2019, 21:06
Unlike Peter, who big contribution today was to knock local boy, Michael Schär, off his bike and into the gutter. It comes with wearing the yellow jersey, mate. Team obligation etc.

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what he was expecting them to do, or why (it's just his style of commentary which is always entertaining).

I heard mention of that grounding of Schär somewhere. I'm still waiting for highlights of the stage to surface. I missed the last hour or two live.
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 19, 2019, 21:14
he was complaining about it yesterday already, when no team was interested in making the stage hard enough for him to win - but well, now that he seems to be at his best again, he cant expect that to change anytime soon, I guess ;)
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 20, 2019, 08:05


Unlike Peter, who big contribution today was to knock local boy, Michael Schär, off his bike and into the gutter.
It comes with wearing the yellow jersey, mate. Team obligation etc.

at least he aplogized after the stage

https://www.blick.ch/sport/rad/michael-schaer-nach-dem-unfall-sagan-hat-sich-bei-mir-entschuldigt-id15380964.html

Today it's time for the first MTF of the race on the Flumserberg:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZrutWgW.png)

May the #ineos Bernal show begin.

It's #teamch Patrick Schelling's home stage btw, he peaked for this and wants to put himself forward to get a World Tour deal for 2020. "After the stage, everyone in cycling will now his name", is what I read in Swiss media... let's see how it goes. :cool
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 20, 2019, 10:38
Today it's time for the first MTF of the race on the Flumserberg:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZrutWgW.png)


I think I rode the Flumserberg a few times as a kid.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1lFoDzU4AALR4X.jpg)



Quote
It's #teamch Patrick Schelling's home stage btw, he peaked for this and wants to put himself forward to get a World Tour deal for 2020. "After the stage, everyone in cycling will now his name", is what I read in Swiss media... let's see how it goes.

Which reminds me. Has Cancellera made any ambassadorial appearances at this year's race?
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 20, 2019, 12:59
he was around yesterday, yeah
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 20, 2019, 16:46
May the #ineos Bernal show begin.

It's #teamch Patrick Schelling's home stage btw, he peaked for this and wants to put himself forward to get a World Tour deal for 2020. "After the stage, everyone in cycling will now his name", is what I read in Swiss media... let's see how it goes. :cool

5th best from the peloton, really good showing by #teamch Schelling :cool

Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: t-72 on June 20, 2019, 21:32
Did anyone see the stage and can confirm who of the top 10 riders came from the break and who was in the peloton?

I assume #ineos Bernal wasn't in the break (in which case I guess #jumbo Tolhoek was), but what about  #movistar Soler, #bahrain Dennis and #uae Aru? None of them looks supersonic at this stage but all of them looks a lot better than they have in the past few months.
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 20, 2019, 22:49
Did anyone see the stage and can confirm who of the top 10 riders came from the break and who was in the peloton?

Tolhoek, Bidard, Bevin and Costa were the only leftovers from the breakaway (next one is Paret-Paintre in 19th)
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 20, 2019, 22:56
in case anyone hasn't noticed it yet (or not read Mv's preview :P), they are using the Val Tremola tomorrow to get up on the Gotthardpass :)

(https://mh-1-bildagentur.panthermedia.net/media/previews/0001000000/01453000/~serpentinen--val-tremola-_01453225_high.jpg)
(https://img.blick.ch/incoming/3823544-v5-sport-tour-de-suisse.jpg?imwidth=1000&ratio=FREE&x=0&y=0&width=2200&height=1450)

must be the first finish using that cobbled road in quite a while
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: t-72 on June 21, 2019, 11:52
I think they were up the Gotthardpass from Airolo a couple of years back, but it was early or mid stage and I cannot remember it having any special impact on the race.
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 21, 2019, 12:02
I think they were up the Gotthardpass from Airolo a couple of years back, but it was early or mid stage and I cannot remember it having any special impact on the race.

yeah, they did it in 2015 for example, but right at the start, and the last finish on the Gotthardpass (in 2001) was not using the cobbled roads
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 21, 2019, 14:49
yeah, they did it in 2015 for example, but right at the start, and the last finish on the Gotthardpass (in 2001) was not using the cobbled roads

my mistake, they did. And that was the only finish on the Gotthardpass so far (as just reported on SRF)
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 21, 2019, 17:18
in case anyone hasn't noticed it yet (or not read Mv's preview :P), they are using the Val Tremola tomorrow to get up on the Gotthardpass :)

must be the first finish using that cobbled road in quite a while

It was so strange to see cobbles at altitude. Stunning vistas though.
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: t-72 on June 21, 2019, 22:00
(https://img.blick.ch/incoming/3823544-v5-sport-tour-de-suisse.jpg?imwidth=1000&ratio=FREE&x=0&y=0&width=2200&height=1450)
IMHO that's just what you expect if they say cobbles in Switzerland. Given the total length of cobbles, we're talking quartz precision workmanship here. Arc shapes everywhere, all the cobbles same (small) size and shape and everything in order. Total length up with the longest sectors of rock dumps in the Portes-de-Hainaut region of France?
I watched  the stage recorded, hence I am a bit late in responding. Today's results at first glance seems like I didn't really need to watch the race, I guess reading the previews could do the job as far as the racing is concerned. I only watch to suck in the Swiss scenery at its most beautiful time of the year.  :D

Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: t-72 on June 21, 2019, 22:07
How much can Dennis gain on Bernal tomorrow? The final stage could become quite exciting this way  :cool



OBSCURE DISAMBIGUATION  Ulrichen were tomorrow's stage takes place is not the Ulriken, aka "Salmon Hill" from the 2017 worlds.   :-x
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: just some guy on June 21, 2019, 23:05
Dennis might be 1 min up after tomorrow I would guess
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 22, 2019, 07:24
I'd be surprised if it really is that much. He lost 23s over half the distance in the prologue, on a kinda similar course - I guess now on double distance, it'll be around a minute maybe
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Mellow Velo on June 22, 2019, 08:20
I'd be surprised if it really is that much. He lost 23s over half the distance in the prologue, on a kinda similar course - I guess now on double distance, it'll be around a minute maybe

Maybe finish the day 30 seconds up, max?

ITT head to heads are thin on the ground.
T-A 2017: Dennis took Bernal for 1'-21" over 10 kms.
Romandie 2018 Dennis gained 10" in a 4km prologue sprint
However, in the 10km ITT Bernal beat Dennis by 1'-26".
GC wise Bernal was 2nd, Dennis 7th, so both were "trying".
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 23, 2019, 10:04
it was not quite that much in the end ;)

ITT result including split times:

RANK NAME
01.      #deceuninck   LAMPAERT Yves      12:36 (1.)      <- 09:22 (4.) ->      21:58
02.      #deceuninck   *ASGREEN Kasper      12:53 (6.)      <- 09:10 (1.) ->      22:03
03.      #sunweb   *KRAGH Søren      12:44 (2.)      <- 09:24 (5.) ->      22:08
04.      #ef   SCULLY Thomas      12:52 (5.)      <- 09:19 (3.) ->      22:11
05.      #ccc   BEVIN Patrick      12:56 (7.)      <- 09:15 (2.) ->      22:11
06.      #bahrain   DENNIS Rohan      12:48 (3.)      <- 09:29 (12.) ->      22:17
07.      #groupama   KÜNG Stefan      12:51 (4.)      <- 09:27 (8.) ->      22:18
08.      #direct   *THOMAS Benjamin      13:00 (8.)      <- 09:30 (13.) ->      22:30
09.      #sunweb   ARNDT Nikias      13:04 (9.)      <- 09:28 (10.) ->      22:32
10.      #mitchelton   TRENTIN Matteo      13:06 (10.)      <- 09:28 (9.) ->      22:34
11.      #ineos   *BERNAL Egan      13:07 (14.)      <- 09:29 (11.) ->      22:36
12.      #ef   CRADDOCK Lawson      13:06 (12.)      <- 09:31 (14.) ->      22:37
13.      #sunweb   *KÄMNA Lennard      13:13 (15.)      <- 09:26 (7.) ->      22:39
14.      #movistar   SOLER Marc      13:15 (17.)      <- 09:25 (6.) ->      22:40
15.      #sunweb   MATTHEWS Michael      13:06 (13.)      <- 09:34 (17.) ->      22:40
16.      #teamch   IMHOF Claudio      13:06 (11.)      <- 09:41 (29.) ->      22:47
17.      #movistar   ANACONA Winner      13:16 (19.)      <- 09:31 (15.) ->      22:47
18.      #bora   BODNAR Maciej      13:13 (16.)      <- 09:40 (26.) ->      22:53
19.      #katusha   HAAS Nathan      13:17 (20.)      <- 09:37 (20.) ->      22:54
20.      #movistar   BETANCUR Carlos      13:19 (22.)      <- 09:37 (21.) ->      22:56
21.      #trek   FELLINE Fabio      13:23 (33.)      <- 09:34 (16.) ->      22:57
22.      #ef   *CARTHY Hugh      13:22 (32.)      <- 09:36 (19.) ->      22:58
23.      #mitchelton   EDMONDSON Alex      13:21 (28.)      <- 09:38 (24.) ->      22:59
24.      #lotto   MONFORT Maxime      13:21 (26.)      <- 09:39 (25.) ->      23:00
25.      #ef   DOCKER Mitchell      13:20 (24.)      <- 09:41 (27.) ->      23:01
26.      #uae   *BOHLI Tom      13:15 (18.)      <- 09:47 (34.) ->      23:02
27.      #groupama   *GENIETS Kevin      13:18 (21.)      <- 09:44 (30.) ->      23:02
28.      #katusha   SPILAK Simon      13:22 (29.)      <- 09:41 (28.) ->      23:03
29.      #rally   *MCNULTY Brandon      13:22 (30.)      <- 09:47 (32.) ->      23:09
30.      #bora   KONRAD Patrick      13:21 (27.)      <- 09:48 (38.) ->      23:09
                           
33.      #lotto   *BENOOT Tiesj      13:26 (40.)      <- 09:45 (31.) ->      23:11
34.      #deceuninck   *MAS Enric      13:25 (38.)      <- 09:47 (35.) ->      23:12
35.      #astana   HIRT Jan      13:25 (39.)      <- 09:47 (36.) ->      23:12
                           
44.      #teamch   SCHELLING Patrick      13:33 (50.)      <- 09:49 (42.) ->      23:22
                           
86.      #uae   ARU Fabio      13:55 (91.)      <- 10:05 (82.) ->      24:00
                           
99.      #bahrain   POZZOVIVO Domenico      13:38 (62.)      <- 10:37 (130.) ->      24:15

(Pozzovivo had a mechanical issue)
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: search on June 23, 2019, 10:44
today the full stage will be live by the way. Should be a fun one, with gc contenders (well, it's a fight for 3rd I guess, maybe 2nd, but anyway) potentially attacking right from the gun :)
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: t-72 on June 23, 2019, 16:01
#ef Hugh Carthy  (now also referred to as HUGE Carthy):

Candidate for stage win of the year. Almost as wicked as stage 18 in the Giro last year.

https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1142804788226269184

Also a candidate for stage of the year, most beautiful weather, most beautiful scenery and for being Tour de Suisse in one of the more remote areas of the country, decent tunrout of roadside spectators as well.


As for the rest, the race was not bad - but also quite predictable, to put it that way! When #bahrain Rohan Dennis is the one that has to go on the attack, don't expect fireworks for GC... and EGan Bernal once again puts himself on the pick list for top GC contenders. Three years from now it will be Bernal vs Pogacar for the big showdowns, but the question is: will Bernal be ready for that in three week's time already?



 
Title: Re: 83rd Tour de Suisse, June 15th-23rd 2019
Post by: Drummer Boy on June 24, 2019, 14:06
It was quite a stage. I originally had no idea they were broadcasting the entire thing, but just happened to be on board from the beginning.

Competitively, it was mostly sorted in the first few Ks, and not much changed for the duration. But that's what created the tension. It seemed that Carthy knew what he was taking on, so it had to be assumed that he felt something special and thought his earliest of early attacks might actually stick—otherwise it would have just been a colossal waste of energy. But he pulled it off in dramatic fashion. It was most Landis-ian, if I may.

It was somewhat astounding to see him maintain, and even increase, his gap over the chasers, but they just couldn't seem to close the distance. You'd think that Carthy VS Kämna, Aru, Soler and Fränk would be a losing battle, but logic doesn't always prevail out on the road.

It was odd, too, because the four seemed to be working well, and riding well. Carthy, on the other hand, never looked all that great on his bike. I'm sure part of that is his tall, lanky ‎1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) frame. "Long levers" is how Brian Smith described it, but the man from  #ef never looked very fluid or relaxed, which is what one would expect for at least part of a long, solo breakaway over multiple mountain passes.

And let's not even talk about his side-saddle super-tuck position.  :-x

As noted, the scenery was spectacular, and due to last-minute changes in the course because of road conditions, we were privileged to witness the peloton climbing the cobbled surface of the Passo San Gottardo for the second time in as many days. It was quite a treat.  :)

However, what goes up, must come down, and down, down, down they went on some glorious descents. Carthy handled himself well, but there was enough snow melt on the hairpins to keep Dennis and Bernal—who were in hot pursuit behind him—honest on every turn. The camera work was mostly focused on the leader and his two pursuers, so we didn't get to see how the peloton navigated much of the downhill, but it was edge-of-the-seat viewing most of the way.

It's a stage that will likely to be spoken of for a long time, and used as a reference against others in the future. Given the drama of the day, and the fact that it was Carthy's first WT win, you'd think he'd be elated after crossing the line. But he was so chilled-out in his post-race interview that the reporter felt the need to ask him, "Do you realize that you won?"
 :D

Well, maybe he was still just processing it all.

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/1142802371468320773

https://twitter.com/VelonCC/status/1142802239792320512