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Professional Cycling => Men's Road Cycling => Topic started by: Leadbelly on June 21, 2019, 20:17

Title: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 21, 2019, 20:17
https://twitter.com/MadisonGenesis/status/1142130062919131136

Madison will stop at the end of the year. No messing around looking for a new sponsor, they'll just stop.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Servais Knavendish on June 21, 2019, 20:59
Great shame - uk conti scene in disarray - world champs this year but national scene disintegrating.  just not enough events with any real profile to give sponsors a return, and of course huge (possible positive) shadow cast by ti.  Does that leave just Wiggins / canyon and vitus; heading back to a club based structure perhaps?

Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 26, 2019, 09:05
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1143787035402100738

#axeon -----------> CT

This will mean no California, but tbh this move isn't so surprising. Up until the recently finished Baby Giro they were the PCT outfit with the fewest amount of race days. Yes, even less than Novo Nordisk. Money was obviously an issue[1] and with these new rules coming into force next year about having at least 20 riders at this level, the writing was on the wall.
 1. Did they only manage to stay at PCT this year with Philipsen and Evenepoel transfer fees?
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: pastronef on June 29, 2019, 10:11
https://www.twitter.com/inrng/status/1144888748120989697
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on June 29, 2019, 18:43
https://www.twitter.com/inrng/status/1144888748120989697

Is Inner Ring correct about the last bit? I couldn't find the article in the online Gazzetta, but SpazioCiclismo reports it differently with Alpecin jumping ship to sponsor Corendon (where Canyon already supply the bikes), leaving Katusha to find another sponsor to replace them.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: search on July 01, 2019, 08:54
I heard that there may be an open door at Bora... but yeah, Alpecin is definitely looking for opportunities, to say so.

Over in Italy, #nippo Nippo-Vini Fantini-Faizanè may close doors at the end of the season, with Vini Fantini potentially joining #bardiani Bardiani as a sponsor

http://www.cicloweb.it/2019/06/30/la-nippo-vini-fantini-chiude-a-fine-stagione-lo-sponsor-pronto-a-legarsi-alla-bardiani/

Some of the better riders could move over with them I guess. According to Beppe Conti, they also want to sign #dimension Giacomo Nizzolo
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 01, 2019, 11:06
Over in Italy, #nippo Nippo-Vini Fantini-Faizanè may close doors at the end of the season, with Vini Fantini potentially joining #bardiani Bardiani as a sponsor

http://www.cicloweb.it/2019/06/30/la-nippo-vini-fantini-chiude-a-fine-stagione-lo-sponsor-pronto-a-legarsi-alla-bardiani/

Some of the better riders could move over with them I guess. According to Beppe Conti, they also want to sign #dimension Giacomo Nizzolo

That could be bad news for Androni and their chances of scoring a wildcard for next year's Giro.

RCS have a bit of a thing for the Green Machine (whereas the opposite is true for Androni) and this has seen them get the nod for the Giro even after drug busts and an overall low level of rider ability. So if they get extra funds and a few bigger names (raising that rider/results level to a fair standard), then it's difficult to see them not being invited.

Personally I'd rather see Kometa and Androni, but I'm not sure that will happen now.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 01, 2019, 17:56
That could be bad news for Androni and their chances of scoring a wildcard for next year's Giro.

Personally I'd rather see Kometa and Androni, but I'm not sure that will happen now.
With the *hu Grande Partenza announced and presented, Kometa will have about the same doubts about their Giro wildcard as Israel Cycling Academy had after the announcement of the *il Grande Partenza.
That is to say, none at all.

With the change in plans and the WT apparently being 20 teams next year now, that leaves only one wildcard for the Italian teams ... Will it still go to the winner of the Ciclismo Cup?
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 01, 2019, 18:11
That leaves only one wildcard for the Italian teams ... Will it still go to the winner of the Ciclismo Cup?

Nope. Unsurprisingly, and you can't blame them for this, RCS have revoked that gateway to the Giro.

Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 01, 2019, 18:17
Nope. Unsurprisingly, and you can't blame them for this, RCS have revoked that gateway to the Giro.
So it comes down to which Italian ProConti team has the most 'good arguments' ... :betting
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: search on July 01, 2019, 20:15
will there be a 2nd Hungarian PCT team though, or will Rebellin sign for Kometa?
With the *hu Grande Partenza announced and presented, Kometa will have about the same doubts about their Giro wildcard as Israel Cycling Academy had after the announcement of the *il Grande Partenza.
That is to say, none at all.

there may be a 2nd Hungarian PCT team though. Or will Rebellin sign for Kometa? :dizzy
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 02, 2019, 23:04
there may be a 2nd Hungarian PCT team though. Or will Rebellin sign for Kometa? :dizzy
That is the first I've ever heard about that. Pannon? :S
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: search on July 03, 2019, 09:16
no idea, I just read that Rebellin wants to continue if he gets a PCT deal, and that he is in touch with a team from Hungary potentially stepping up
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 06, 2019, 12:22
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1147460318815293441

Uncertain future for Roompot - Charles. It's 50-50 according to Breukink.

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“We told the riders exactly what it is: there is no certainty. They have the space to go to another team. We don't want to be aware that someone has a chance, that rider then waits for us for a little while and then it is over.

Van Schip should have some suitors.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 09, 2019, 14:10
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1148555109896466432

BinckBank getting involved with Beat Cycling. PCT is an eventual aim which could be good news for some of the potentially out of work Roompotters.

The name will remain as it is currently. BinckBank Beat would be an alliterative nightmare.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 10, 2019, 20:06
Katusha Rumours

#1

https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1148956575048052737

Katusha hasn't applied for a WT licence and the riders are free to go.

#2

https://twitter.com/SpazioCiclismo/status/1148912249341456389

Katusha and Corendon merge.

#3

https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/1148976601461383171

The Geeeeeeks are in talks with Katusha about a take-over/merger.

#4

https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1149022829553360896

Azevedo denies riders are free to go and is working on the future of the team.

The rest day might bring confirmation of something or other.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 11, 2019, 10:05
Katusha Rumours

The rest day might bring confirmation of something or other.
The way I understand it, Alpecin and Canyon want to sponsor the team of MvdP, leaving Katusha at the end of the year. So it wouldn't be a merger as much as Katusha lacking the funds to go on.

Here's my take:
- Azevedo is stating the current legal situation (riders are still under contract), but it has little to no basis in reality. What good is a contract if the team it's with lacks ~60% of its current funding?

- "Team MvdP" will upgrade with a couple of signings and new sponsorship - but still stay PCT (for now). Corendon has been taken over by Sunweb, so they're probably on their way out as a (title) sponsor. Whether the 2020 team is called Alpecin-Circus, Alpecin-Canyon, or something entirely different is almost academical.

- #academy buy out Azevedo & co. with an offer he can't refuse, taking over Katusha's WT licence, and finally get that Tour invite they're after. They have been clever enough not to give out long-term contracts, so they can absorb the 10-11 riders that would come over from Katusha and still have enough room to sign whoever they want. Bad news for the likes of Carisey, Schreurs etc., but that's business.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: search on July 17, 2019, 09:25
some more stuff from Japanese media about the end of #nippo Nippo-Vini Fantini-Faizanè at the end of the season

https://cyclist.sanspo.com/480782

(Sports director) Hiroshi Daimon says, that Pelosi just couldn't secure the money to keep things going. Currently the team runs at a 350 Million Yen (~2.9 million Euro) budget, to continue under the new UCI rules (more riders, more races, more staff, increased mimimum wage) it would take 550 Million Yen.

Sponsors would potentially be willing to get on board or increase their spendings, but the uncertainties in terms of participation in the big races (and particularly Grand Tours) are just too big currently, as now one knows what exactly the Wild Card rules will look like in 2020, and no one would invest money based on rumors only.

He says that the relationship between all sponsors and the team management is fine, but there's no way they can continue under this circumstances. Personally Daimon thinks that about half of the 24 current pro continental teams will share the same fate.

Some teams may try to keep the budget low by only increasing the amount of riders (instead of also investing in what it needs to keep a larger team going), but this will mean that many of them won't race for weeks or months, and that's not the way Nippo wanted to go.

He expects the sponsor to stay in cycling one way or another though.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: search on July 18, 2019, 09:01
IAM pulls the plug. Again.

(https://scontent-dus1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67205100_861834310849615_7166292661547040768_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQnipnPl6iccf9YwUComb_wLlDNNf1eJ2m1ftviah4407rwJGBpPnbjETbDU4cdeaXw&_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.xx&oh=61b7d2f9778cc213a1eac0352a9eb612&oe=5DA4A56E)
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 18, 2019, 10:25
IAM pulls the plug. Again.
Wow.
IAM are extremely good at funding a promising project, then pulling the rug away from under its feet when it has just found firm ground to stand on and make further steps.
:fp


In other news, Alecto CT loses its main sponsor:
https://alectocyclingteam.nl/hoofdsponsor-alecto-verlengt-het-sponsorcontract-niet/ (https://alectocyclingteam.nl/hoofdsponsor-alecto-verlengt-het-sponsorcontract-niet/)
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 20, 2019, 19:59
Katusha Rumour #5

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20190716_04512782

A new potential merger partner would be Gazprom. It makes mucho sense from a nationality perspective. The problem is that both teams have unofficially lost their best Russian riders already - Zakarin to CCC and Vlasov to Astana.

Katusha Rumour #6

https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/worldtour/katusha-alpecin-igor-makarov-pronto-a-salvare-il-team-anche-senza-un-nuovo-sponsor/

In the event of no merger happening then Makarov would put his hand in his pocket to ensure the team continues (but at what level?).
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 23, 2019, 08:31
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2019/07/22/1563829382/deceuninck-quick-step-team-monti

New devo team for Deceuninck.

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The Belgian team is preparing to open another page dedicated to young people.

The attention of Levefere and his staff fell on Team Monti, an Italian Continental team that will be led by Riccardo Magrini in the role of team manager and who will be able to count on an exceptional technical staff. In 2020 the team will be mainly Italian - composed of Under 23 athletes, probably twelve - but from 2021 riders from other countries could become part of the nursery with the ambition to arrive in the future to the World Tour team.

There was also news about the team becoming the official partner of the Tour de l'Avenir.

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The collaboration will begin this year: our staff members will attend the 56th edition briefing, in the presence of all the riders. We will be protagonists of a strong collaboration on social media to promote race, ethics, values ​​and vocation as a springboard to the professional world ".

Scheduled for August, this year's edition will be just the first step in a multi-year agreement that will see Deceuninck - Quick-Step providing logistical support in 2020 to a selection of young runners who otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity to be at the start of the Tour de l'Avenir.

What that means I don't know. Will they be supporting the Eritrean team at this year's event? Surely they'll want their new devo team at future events.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 27, 2019, 20:11
There may be a 2nd Hungarian PCT team though. Or will Rebellin sign for Kometa? :dizzy

https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1155094450051440642

Epowers Factory Team.

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“The team will be essentially Hungarian, but we will also contract a number of European cyclists. And I mean mainly French and Italian drivers. ”One of those riders is an old acquaintance: Davide Rebellin. The 47-year-old Italian is currently heading for the Croatian Meridiana Kamen.

“We will soon also appoint a sporting director who is responsible for putting together a team. We want to attract at least three very good riders, so that we are immediately competitive. ”

In short, Pocze and Epowers Factory Team want to go to the Giro, but previously Kometa - the training team of Alberto Contador and Ivan Basso - also wanted to participate in the Tour of Italy. This is not surprising, since main sponsor Kometa is a Hungarian company.

"I know, however, that we are the only Hungarian team eligible for a wildcard," said Pocze.

I'm very sceptical, but you never know.

As to the last point, the general consensus is that Kometa will be an Italian registered PCT outfit, so he's technically right about Epowers being the only Hungarian applicant.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on July 28, 2019, 15:38
Epowers Factory Team.

I'm very sceptical, but you never know.
New team built from scratch, wants to get a Giro wildcard, signs Rebellin ... :S
I'll believe it when the Giro announces to have invited them.

Until then, this is just a marketing gimmick.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on July 29, 2019, 09:40
:carrot :carrot :carrot

https://twitter.com/Bizkaia_MD/status/1155541203129159681

Fundacion Euskadi ----------> PCT

To be confirmed in the next few days when Landa gets back from France.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 24, 2019, 10:35
https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1164909100867706881

All quiet on the Kometa front so far (other than their riders rumoured to be signing elsewhere) as the EPowers rumours gain some traction.

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Among the first riders hired there are Davide Rebellin, 48, who wants to end his career in the Giro, and Viktor Filutás, the best among the Giro E riders. There will be 20 riders (6 Hungarians), and among those in the crosshairs of the Magyar team there is Damiano Cima, who likes very much, as well as the young Filippo Magli (Mastromarco) and Eduardo Sepulveda (Movistar).
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 24, 2019, 16:04
https://twitter.com/OfficialWIGGINS/status/1165262662361653249
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 26, 2019, 18:51
#nippo may be stopping - but Nippo continue as a cycling sponsor:
https://teamdelkomarseilleprovence.com/nippo-et-le-team-delko-marseille-provence-en-2020/ (https://teamdelkomarseilleprovence.com/nippo-et-le-team-delko-marseille-provence-en-2020/)

They're joining up with #delko Delko Marseille Provence.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: search on August 28, 2019, 08:50
#katusha Dani Navarro says that the team didn't give any riders under contract the permission to sign elsewhere. He hopes that this is a good sign that #katusha Katusha will keep going, in whatever way

https://www.ciclo21.com/dani-navarro-no-sabemos-nada-del-futuro/
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 29, 2019, 20:20
https://twitter.com/VitalConcept_BB/status/1167121923668631552

Vital Concept - B&B Hotels ---------------> B&B Hotels - Vital Concept

More money and more foreign riders.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on August 30, 2019, 09:23
Vital Concept - B&B Hotels ---------------> B&B Hotels - Vital Concept

More money and more foreign riders.
Maybe that will finally get them a Tour wildcard? :-x
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on August 30, 2019, 18:32
Maybe that will finally get them a Tour wildcard? :-x

If Katusha go the way of the dodo, there's definitely a possibility, but going by this interview (https://www.cyclismactu.net/news-itw-jerome-pineau-ce-que-font-les-autres-peu-m-importe-86190.html) they won't be going out and signing big names this year. Some helpers for Coquard and a few youngsters are much more likely.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 03, 2019, 18:53
https://as.com/ciclismo/2019/09/02/vuelta_espana/1567444026_799985.html

Things are looking grim for Euskadi - Murias.

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Euskadi-Murias, present in the Tour of Spain as one of the four guests to the race (together with Burgos BH, Caja Rural and Cofidis), has a very complicated continuity in the platoon in 2020 due to lack of liquidity. The situation is such that runners have total freedom to accept offers from other teams for the next season.

There just aren't the riders or money for two PCT Basque teams and most of the local sponsors are with the Fundacion. A merger would be the sensible option, but even post-Madariaga that doesn't seem a goer.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 11, 2019, 13:22
Rider announcements have let slip that Dimension Data will be Team NTT next season. 

Unfamiliar as I am with the world of high finance and megabusinesses, my understanding is that Dimension Data (based in Johannesburg) is no longer merely owned by Nippon Telegraph and Telephone (Tokyo), but is under (since 1st July) a holding company NTT Ltd (in London).  The overall holding company is many times the size of the DD business (which was already big enough to be able to give an Ineos busting budget without any real difference to the bottom line), but who knows what their business culture will be as regards disposition to sponsor.  Their signings do not suggest a hugely expanded budget.

There seems to be some retention of Middle East and African aspects of Dimension Data outside NTT Ltd, but not the cycling team.  So where will the team be registered?  Will it still be "Africa's Team" (according to CQ, only 2 of their 9 African riders are contracted for next year), and what of the Qhubeka promotion?
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 13, 2019, 13:46
Katusha Rumour #62

https://twitter.com/Biarnes72/status/1172415683730132992

Corendon, ICA, Arkea, Team Waoo?
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 13, 2019, 18:11
Katusha Rumour #114

https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1172552834551885824

The original Ciclo21 article is here (https://www.ciclo21.com/israel-katusha-la-fusion-que-viene-al-world-tour/).
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 17, 2019, 17:53
Rider announcements have let slip that Dimension Data will be Team NTT next season. 

Unfamiliar as I am with the world of high finance and megabusinesses, my understanding is that Dimension Data (based in Johannesburg) is no longer merely owned by Nippon Telegraph and Telephone (Tokyo), but is under (since 1st July) a holding company NTT Ltd (in London).  The overall holding company is many times the size of the DD business (which was already big enough to be able to give an Ineos busting budget without any real difference to the bottom line), but who knows what their business culture will be as regards disposition to sponsor.  Their signings do not suggest a hugely expanded budget.

There seems to be some retention of Middle East and African aspects of Dimension Data outside NTT Ltd, but not the cycling team.  So where will the team be registered?  Will it still be "Africa's Team" (according to CQ, only 2 of their 9 African riders are contracted for next year), and what of the Qhubeka promotion?
I don't see the registration country changing from South Africa.
They will probably re-sign a couple more of their Africans and/or promote some guys from the Conti team, but the "Africa's Team" aspect won't have much priority anymore - if we're honest, it hasn't had much priority ever since they signed Cav and made the move to the WorldTour.

To develop African cycling, staying at ProConti level well-knowing that their best prospects would be picked up by bigger teams each year would have been much better. But the lure of the WorldTour was too big, and now it's basically just another team.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 26, 2019, 08:44
https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20190925_04627172 (https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20190925_04627172)

Het Nieuwsblad reports that the #academy #katusha merger is finally a done deal. They also say that ICA already has 27 riders under contract for 2020, not only 10 as e.g. on PCS - which doesn't leave room for all 11 TKA riders. Four of them, including Dowsett and Strakhov, will not be taken on.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 26, 2019, 08:57
27 + 7 = 34 :slow

Unless the 27 already includes the seven riders that will remain from Katusha.

The four who aren't making the cut will at least have their contracts paid for next year which, although it's late in the season, will make finding a new team that bit easier.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on September 26, 2019, 13:01
27 + 7 = 34 :slow
Yeah, I know.
It doesn't add up for me either.

Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on September 29, 2019, 13:43
https://as.com/ciclismo/2019/09/02/vuelta_espana/1567444026_799985.html

Things are looking grim for Euskadi - Murias.

https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1178285731065802753

The future is hanging by a thread.

Several of the riders are expected to sign for the Fundacion.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 04, 2019, 20:13
https://twitter.com/GebaTeam/status/1180059696465633280

Adios Differdange after a lengthy innings.
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 05, 2019, 05:24
https://twitter.com/Pelotonby/status/1180238198091464704
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: Leadbelly on October 05, 2019, 18:14
https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/worldtour/israel-cycling-academy-anche-vini-fantini-tra-gli-sponsor-della-nuova-formazione-worldtour/

Vini Fantini on the ICA kits?
Title: Re: Team Sponsorship 19/20
Post by: LukasCPH on October 17, 2019, 08:42
Adios Differdange after a lengthy innings.
:(

I've run into the team several times over the years, from Italy via Romania and France to Norway.
It's been a good time - and they gave me my first-ever race convoy experience back in the final stage of the 2013 Giro del Friuli Venezia Giulia when their local mechanic had to catch a train home mid-stage and was looking for a replacement. Good thing none of their riders suffered any mechanicals! :D