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Professional Cycling => Giro d'Italia 2020 => Topic started by: Leadbelly on October 25, 2019, 15:53

Title: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 25, 2019, 15:53
https://twitter.com/giroditalia/status/1187400308621623296

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHp9AXXXkAY8z6r?format=jpg)

Three TTs again, but still under 60km in total. Etna returns as well. Third time in four years (new higher finish?). Haven't investigated deeply to see how many km of gravel there are (if any).
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 25, 2019, 15:59
https://twitter.com/Cycling_TT/status/1187742635047432193

Yeah, but Sagan is yesterday's news or that's the way it feels to me.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 25, 2019, 16:08
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1187706609633509381

Vegni wants all three Italian PCT teams there. That will only be possible if Total turn down the auto-wildcard. I can't see that happening. They were interested in going this year and while they might very well turn down some of the other WT races (Hi TDU and Cadel Evans), they surely won't for one of the Grand Tours.

Of course, even after Vegni saying this, it wouldn't surprise me if he invited Gazprom anyway instead of Androni or whoever. Talk is cheap months ahead of the race.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 25, 2019, 16:29
 I hope they have put a lot of thought into their contingency plans for stages 18 and 20 is all.
Twice over 2700 metres is a big risk and this year's Gavia alternative was awful.

My favourite stage is 12: the Cesenatico stage...........................right up until it isn't.

(https://static2.giroditalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/zD9yBkX4M9Q27nzpjjeL_231019-013148-968x427.jpg)
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: just some guy on October 25, 2019, 18:05
Giro doing whatever the TDF and Vuelta are not in 2020.

Quiet smart before the Tokyo Olympics. Very hard training block and long enough recovery,  altitude Olympics program
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 26, 2019, 00:28
Italy's gain is California's loss.

But since California always feels like a loss for the rest of us, I'd say this just evens the score a bit.

Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: M Gee on October 26, 2019, 12:53

Yeah, but Sagan is yesterday's news or that's the way it feels to me.
:o :o :S  Huh? I must have missed something.

But since California always feels like a loss for the rest of us, I'd say this just evens the score a bit.

:lol  Not sure where that came from, but it got a chuckle!
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 26, 2019, 20:02
:o :o :S  Huh? I must have missed something.

There's these new guys on the scene the kids are going crazy for. Rimco and Matthew I think they're called. ;)
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 29, 2019, 21:23
But since California always feels like a loss for the rest of us, I'd say this just evens the score a bit.

Now we know why!   :P


Bye bye, Amgen ToC. :hi
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on November 13, 2019, 09:01
https://twitter.com/velonews/status/1194237568306556928

https://twitter.com/AG2RLMCyclisme/status/1194534045402710016

Nibali and Bardet both targeting the Giro next year. Very tough to ride for GC at the Tour and then go for gold in Tokyo a few days later, so I think several other names will follow them.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on December 03, 2019, 17:56
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1201916108158242816

Not official, but it doesn't look like Total will take up their auto-wildcard for the Giro.

The Pickles (or Gazprom) would be the likely beneficiaries.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on December 03, 2019, 18:00
Who are The Pickles?
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on December 03, 2019, 18:01
Looks like Dumo for the Giro, Roglic for the Tour. And the others to fit in around that.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on December 03, 2019, 18:02
Neri Sottoli = Black Pickles
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on December 03, 2019, 18:02
Neri Sottoli = Black Pickles

Ah ok.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on December 03, 2019, 18:04
Ah ok.

I'd really like to see Uno-X given a berth, surely they're a better team than The Pickles, or Bardiani. Italian PCT teams have really fallen off in the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on December 04, 2019, 07:35
#bora

https://twitter.com/BORAhansgrohe/status/1201978274550820864

Sagan + Ackermann + Majka + Schachmann ---------> Giro
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on December 04, 2019, 07:54
I'd really like to see Uno-X given a berth, surely they're a better team than The Pickles, or Bardiani. Italian PCT teams have really fallen off in the last couple of years.
Good to hear that it's not just us Scandis liking #unox - but the 2020 Giro would probably come too soon for them.

Or maybe not ... and the DS knows how to win a Giro stage or two. :shh
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: search on December 06, 2019, 07:30
#bora

Sagan + Ackermann + Majka + Schachmann ---------> Giro

+Konrad

(https://i.prcdn.co/img?file=9gf12019120600000000001001&page=79&scale=99)
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on December 06, 2019, 13:58
+Konrad

(https://i.prcdn.co/img?file=9gf12019120600000000001001&page=79&scale=99)

They’re going to have 8 leaders and no Doms.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: search on December 06, 2019, 15:28
They’re going to have 8 leaders and no Doms.

I was thinking the same at first, but it's probably gonna be those 5 in the end + some doms. Maybe Selig or Oss/Gatto for the sprint preparations, Benedetti and some mountain dom like Fabbro or so.

Good to see Schachmann doing the Giro instead of the Tour, by the way, as he is probably "our" best #teamde bet for Tokyo.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Joelsim on December 06, 2019, 15:37
I was thinking the same at first, but it's probably gonna be those 5 in the end + some doms. Maybe Selig or Oss/Gatto for the sprint preparations, Benedetti and some mountain dom like Fabbro or so.

Good to see Schachmann doing the Giro instead of the Tour, by the way, as he is probably "our" best #teamde bet for Tokyo.

Possibly, yes. Although there is also Buchmann, Zimmermann and Schwarzmann.

Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: search on December 06, 2019, 16:18
it's certainly a man's race, yes
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on December 21, 2019, 08:10
#jumbo

https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/dit-moet-je-weten-van-de-jumbo-visma-presentatie/

George Bennett
Koen Bouwman
Dylan Groenewegen
Lennard Hofstede
Amund Grøndahl Jansen
Paul Martens
Antwan Tolhoek
Mike Teunissen

So at the moment no GT in 2020 for Eenkhoorn, Foss, Harper, Leezer, Lindeman, Pfingsten, Roosen, Taco, Vingegaard and Wynants.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on December 27, 2019, 18:20
https://twitter.com/AS_Colombia/status/1210599997063991296

No Giro for Bernal. Unsurprising despite some flirtation the past months.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: search on February 17, 2020, 11:14
TISSOT WILL BE THE EXCLUSIVE OFFICIAL TIMEKEEPER OF THE GIRO D'ITALIA (https://us6.campaign-archive.com/?u=823d3a40b51c82f60f316baa5&id=058ca755dc)

good news for my F5 button :cool
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on February 24, 2020, 12:46
 Both Pro 14 matches in Italy next weekend have already been postponed, as sporting bodies react to the spread of Coronavirus as the fear of a pandemic grows and Italy having reported a fourth death.
Things now look distinctly uncertain for Italy's big three races.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/giro-ditalia/milan-san-remo-tirreno-adriatico-and-giro-ditalia-all-under-threat-after-italy-coronavirus-outbreak-449873
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 24, 2020, 13:23
No Giro for Bernal. Unsurprising despite some flirtation the past months.

Presumably so that he can be in shape to be the best possible domestique for Froome?  :-x
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on February 24, 2020, 13:26
Things now look distinctly uncertain for Italy's big three races.

I hadn't realized that the Giro was under threat as well.

Maybe it replace it with a revived Tour of Beijing?
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2020, 11:10
Hungarian Government cancels the Giro start

https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/status/1238421410508353537?

RCS might try for a Italian start if it goes ahead
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 13, 2020, 12:59
Hasn't the entire race been cancelled yet?
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 13, 2020, 13:25
Hasn't the entire race been cancelled yet?

Seems to be the case.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/giro-ditalia/giro-ditalias-three-hungary-stages-have-been-cancelled-451548
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: just some guy on March 13, 2020, 13:43
Yep April 3rd we see if there will be new dates.

But at this stage not cancelled, but not running as planned either
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: just some guy on July 10, 2020, 15:43
https://twitter.com/ianrausten/status/1281598172033437696?

 :-x
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: just some guy on July 10, 2020, 18:19
https://twitter.com/bguyot1982/status/1281634137544298498?
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on July 12, 2020, 15:04
https://twitter.com/bguyot1982/status/1281634137544298498?

Come on, admit it: that pink jersey is much better match with the bright colors of early summer and spring in the mountains. For this special edition they should make it AG2R brown.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on July 30, 2020, 21:49
 The new route has now been finalised as stages five and six, the first on Italy’s mainland, have now been confirmed.

 Not the usual, totally bland replacements either. Of note, we have:

Stage two, Sunday October 4, Alcimo to Agrigento (150km)

(https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/T02_Agrigento_alt-920x417.jpg)

Stage three, Monday October 5, Enna to Etna (150km)

(https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/T03_Etna_alt-920x506.jpg)

Stage five, Wednesday October 7, Mileto to Camigliatello Silano (225km)

(https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/T05_Camigliatello_alt-920x495.jpg)

The final ascent  – Valico di Montescuro – is 25km long and gains 1,500m in altitude, before a 10km downhill to the finish.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 25, 2020, 19:42
#vinizabu

https://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/giro-2020/giro-ditalia-2020-la-vini-zabu-ktm-rivela-la-propria-formazione-a-caccia-di-tappe-giovanni-visconti-sara-leader/

Giovanni Visconti
Matteo Spreafico
Edoardo Zardini
Etienne van Empel
Marco Frapporti
Simone Bevilacqua
Lorenzo Rota
Luca Wackermann
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 28, 2020, 20:30
#ag2r

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei_ecENWkAUjTIp?format=jpg)

Fair chance that Vendrame could grab a stage win.

#androni

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjBmKUvXsAAG5xL?format=jpg)

A last hurrah for the Toys?
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 28, 2020, 20:34
#ccc

https://twitter.com/CCCProTeam/status/1310549952700076037

Stage hunting is the aim.

#deceuninck

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei_m98wXgAAqmNl?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on September 28, 2020, 20:41
#israel

http://www.feltet.dk/nyheder/israel_start-up_nation_har_udtaget_giro_ditalia_holdet/

Rudy Barbier
Matthias Brändle
Alexander Cataford
Davide Cimolai
Alex Dowsett
Daniel Navarro
Guy Sagiv
Rick Zabel

Should do okay on the 3 sprints and 3 TTs ....... but not very well on the other 15 stages.

#mitchelton

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei_cCrdWkAAmhqk?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on September 29, 2020, 12:51
 Nice to see at the very top of this page for me, DB's post: "Has it been cancelled yet?", seeing we are now just half a week from kick off.

Rai's weird and very wonderful Giro advert is bound to appeal for it's nostalgia value alone.

https://youtu.be/3dqh0vxyZGE?t=3


Talking of Rai, it seems they following in the Tour's footsteps and are covering all the Sicily stages from start to finish.
As yet, I don't know if that will be the policy for the whole race, as I have only seen a 7 day schedule.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: search on September 29, 2020, 12:57
as moving the race to October wasn't quite enough to avoid the usual clash with Roland Garros, Eurosport on the other hand seems to be struggling a bit to get all cycling covered. Most (or all?) stages will be on Eurosport 2 only, and partly as some kind of "multicast", when there are several races at the same time (like this Sunday, for example).
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: just some guy on September 30, 2020, 05:51
https://twitter.com/ChadHaga/status/1310930922984804352?
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 01, 2020, 14:55
This is new.
The Giro have what they call a TV roadbook, that can be read at source or shared simply by copying the link. Basically it's the standard roadbook in English, although the text they picked is tough to read.
214 pages of race info.

https://issuu.com/giroditalia2020/docs/roadbook_interni_engl_bassa
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: LukasCPH on October 01, 2020, 17:46
This is new.
Not necessarily new - TV commentators have had this forever to fill the long hours when nothing happens with information on that hilltop village or the ruined church the race is passing.

But until now this wasn't released for public consumption.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: search on October 01, 2020, 17:56
yeah, I had a look into it last year in Bologna (I think), but opted for the lighter version of the book instead ;)

Could be the first time that it's available online though
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Drummer Boy on October 12, 2020, 00:07
On a scale of 1-10, what say ya'll so far? :slow

I'm not able to watch any of this race  :angry and the highlights are wanting, at best.

The offerings tend to be either too long, which means a lot of fast-forwarding and skipping around.

or

Way too short, with no GC info or other pertinent facts.

And often there are spoilers embedded in the video titles themselves. :fp

Very difficult for me to experience this year's Giro.

So how has it been for the rest of you?
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 12, 2020, 08:16
3/10

A couple of things to bear in mind though.

I've only seen the stages where Ulissi, Dowsett and Guerreiro won. None of which were very good. The other six could have been amazing for all I know, but I doubt it.

Secondly a boring Giro is better than a Covid cancelled Giro. Let's be thankful we have it at all.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 12, 2020, 20:27
Like some of the above I sense that the overall performance level is somehow muted this year. There's likely a number of reasons for that: COVID, lack of racing, season plans thwarted etc but also killer bidons et cetera.

My impression is that WT teams could only get one GT squad up to a high level this year, and the good ones went to tour de France. However, this is only half the estory as missing #astana Vlasov, #astana Lopez, #ineos Thomas several key racers from the Giro lineup basically went bust before it really started. It would have been a different race with them present.

Another aspect, at least for me, is my expectations. I count myself as Italofile beyond repair and that includes too many long hours in front of the TV in May, watching the Giro landscape scroll away in all its irredescent bright early summer green glory, while munching away on any italian-inspired cuisine I can conjure up. Too much gelato and a little chianti but also buckets of healty salds and pasta. Not to mention I can go out for a ride after the racing is done on the TV and pretend I am Ricardo Carapz up the local steep hill and it helps ... at least for 70 meters. Giro de Italia is associated with this springtime rush for me.   The Vuelta is harvest time. This - 2020 reconstructed Giro - is beyond that,  on the rim of winter up here, and even if in lowland Italy that is still quite a few weeks away, it still looks dull, and that is the way I see the racing too up til this point (possible exception stage1). It is not as exciting as the Giro should be for a lot of reasons.

If there really is a bit of a squabble between #trek Nibali and #astana Fuglsang or if they just agreed to create some drama for publicity's sake, I don't know. We all know Fuglsang always looks like the better racer on paper, except if going by Grand tour results, so everyone expects Nibali will find a way to win it in week three.  Most likely downhill on ice with spiked tires while #jumbo Kruijswijk and #astana Fuglsang end up in the ditch or something equally likley to happen. it's got a ring of "heard it all before" to it, so let me point to what I think has been the most positive in this Giro so far, because he has been hiding in plain sight for a while.

It is #pink João Almeida #quickstep - what a fantastic race by him and solid team effort to back him! Quickstep suddenly look like the grand tour GC team here. They were going all in for the win with Remco Evenepoel but look, they actually have a team now. They seem well prepared, they are tactically disciplined, and their leader comes across as surprisingly strong. Granted he was abit lucky with weather on the stage 1 time trial but he still finished up there ahead of the the best pre-race mentioned GC contender starting at roughly the same time. That guy, #ineos Geraint Thomas is not a sh*tty rider on a time trial bike. If Almeida performs equally strong on the next time trials, this race isn't Nibali's to lose anymore. Nibali needs to win it first, and #quickstep can stop him.

So I am going to look forward, seeing this in light of the generation change we have seen in the TdF the two last years, and think this may be the year change comes to the admittedly more conservative Italian racing scene. This time it is #quickstep Joãozinho against the old salts....I mean salt water fish species. And that's fuelt for some more excitement over the next two weeks.

So first week dull, second week interesting, third week: snowstorm or fireworks.

Vaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!! Joãozinho para #pink!

6/10 ! (I borrowed a few points from the coming weeks just to get you a little bit more excited about this race  :angel )
 


Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Leadbelly on October 12, 2020, 20:46
Isn't 70m even a bit optimistic? :P
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: t-72 on October 12, 2020, 21:21
Isn't 70m even a bit optimistic? :P

No way, this calculation includes my slow brain response!
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 13, 2020, 14:40
Oh dear 2 teams down... (not to mention 3 leading GC personalities)...

So chances of reaching Milan - 70 / 30 in favour?  Let's hope so

Elsewhere I can't be so optimistic on Vuelta completing

But hoping above hope that Flanders proceeds and we see the simmering rivaly explode into a shootout on Sunday...
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Servais Knavendish on October 14, 2020, 12:30
on video call this am - another caller - "I hear two teams were thrown off the Giro for positive DRUG tests"...

No not drug tests - Covid Tests - "Oh same difference in cycling"...

Hadn't thought non cycling 'civilians' might take headline and misconstrue!
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: Mellow Velo on October 14, 2020, 16:22
Oh dear 2 teams down... (not to mention 3 leading GC personalities)...

So chances of reaching Milan - 70 / 30 in favour?  Let's hope so

Elsewhere I can't be so optimistic on Vuelta completing

But hoping above hope that Flanders proceeds and we see the simmering rivaly explode into a shootout on Sunday...

Ironically, Spain has been the trend setter with Covid and numbers there have actually started to head in the opposite direction to everywhere else.
We may yet get lucky.

As for the Giro, I have my fingers crossed that they can maybe repeat the TDF's second rest day, which was better.
I understand they have been using the fast test, which is quick, but not as reliable.
I wonder if Kruijswijk, Matthews or both might end up as false positives, since neither had displayed a single symptom.
Title: Re: Giro 2020 General Discussion
Post by: search on October 14, 2020, 16:33
I wonder if Kruijswijk, Matthews or both might end up as false positives, since neither had displayed a single symptom.

They also did a PCR test in the morning, which confirmed the positive result. So false positives are very unlikely.

Today Matthews' (quick) re-test was negative though. Kruijswijk's not.

https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/matthews-test-negatief-bij-hertest/?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter