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Title: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 13, 2019, 16:21
Just in case you don't know what a CQ game is.

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Basics

The game is based on the point system developed by the website www.cqranking.com (http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/start.asp). Based on this system you will have to select a team of between 25 and 33 riders whose combined value doesn’t exceed 7500 points.

Your aim then is to select a team of riders who will increase their 2019 score the most during the 2020 season. The winner of the game is the one who has selected the team with the highest combined value when the game ends.

The VR collective team will of course have 33 riders and our aim is more about having a bit of fun during the off-season rather than doing well in the league.

A few things needed to be sorted first

• Who is playing?

Post something in this thread and your name will get added to the list below. A Twitter advert on the VR account would be good to wake up the hibernators.

Leadbelly
Armchair Cyclist
Lukascph
Joelsim
just some guy
Flo
search
Carlo Algatrensig
ArchieBoy


• Will we keep the same format of selecting a team via rider categories?

• If so, are their any categories we should lose and are there any interesting ones which we could add. Bear in mind you don't want to leave the selector with too restrictive a field to choose from.

Here are last year's categories:

#1    GC Rider
#2    Young GC Rider
#3    Cobbles Rider
#4    Young Cobbles Rider
#5    Sprinter
#6    Young Sprinter
#7    ITT Specialist
#8    Young ITT Specialist
#9    The Climber
#10   The Random Eastern European   
#11   Who?
#12   Mr Breakaway
#13   The Continental Dominator
#14   The One Trick Pony
#15   The Colombian Climber
#16   The Drugs Cheat
#17   The CX-er
#18   The Trackie   
#19   The Domestique
#20   The Glue Factory One
#21   The African   
#22   The Sponsors Pick
#23   The Injured One
#24   The Pretty Boy
#25   The Scandi
#26   The Close But No Cigar
#27   Sleeping With The Enemy
#28   The Fall From Grace Rider WT -> Conti
#29   "Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon"?
#30   The Next Big Thing™
#31   The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One
#32   The Family Connection
#33   The Zero Point Rider

If you don't know what a category means you can either look back at the previous year's threads or ask here.

Talking about last year's thread, we had come to the conclusion that the Drugs Cheat category was just too restrictive, so that's one we'll likely get rid off.

Carlo had a good suggestion for a new category. Obviously it would need to be #33 and it would be "The Rest Of The Budget Rider".

Thinking hats on and get suggesting!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 13, 2019, 16:23
Oh yes, we'll have a cut-off date of Sunday 24th November and I'll try to get the categories and selectors sorted out on that day.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 13, 2019, 17:02
My thoughts.

Categories I Wouldn't Miss

Drugs Cheat - As noted above

The two ITT-ers

Sponsors Pick

Family Connection - Bit restrictive

One Trick Pony - I found it difficult last year to think of anyone that's not annoyingly bad

Categories We Could Tweak

If we need room for funner picks we could just get rid of the young variants in the first 8 categories.

Colombian Climber ---------> South American Climber

CX-er and Trackie could be combined ----------> Does Other Stuff On A Bike

New Categories

The Rest Of The Budget Rider - As noted above

Straight Out Of Juniors - This seems to be a thing now (note they wouldn't have to be pro necessarily, just in their first year out of juniors). Bonus points for not going with the obvious selections.

The Facial Fungus One - Are there enough riders with taches, beards, mono-brows or big sideburns to warrant a category?

The Xmas Present - Pick a rider as a gift for another selector that you think they'll like. Not sure about this either. Maybe the gift comes with a receipt in case they don't like it!

Surname beginning with [?] - I suggested this last year. It could be fun. The selector gets given a random letter though obviously some letters would be ignored
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on November 13, 2019, 18:09
I would drop the "Pretty Boy" category: I have no idea what most riders look like (which also weighs against Leadbelly's Facial Fungus proposal), and really wouldn't consider myself a judge of the appearance of men much younger and fitter than me.

I'd also drop "Sleeping with the Enemy", because if I were given that category I would have no idea who is or is not permitted, and "Glue Factory", because the idea of CQ picks is to get riders who will improve rather than the decrepit (but my Thirtysomething suggestion might be about the same).


Possibilities:

Wrapped in the Flag (Must have won 2019 national title)

Mr Loyalty  (Been on current team for at least 3 years)

The Underacheiver (has not lived up to early hype so far)

The Bottle Carrier  (has been largely a domestique with few leadership opportunities)

The Thirty-something  (born in the 80's)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 13, 2019, 19:38
I would drop the "Pretty Boy" category: I have no idea what most riders look like (which also weighs against Leadbelly's Facial Fungus proposal), and really wouldn't consider myself a judge of the appearance of men much younger and fitter than me.

I'd also drop "Sleeping with the Enemy", because if I were given that category I would have no idea who is or is not permitted, and "Glue Factory", because the idea of CQ picks is to get riders who will improve rather than the decrepit (but my Thirtysomething suggestion might be about the same).

I like the "Sleeping with the Enemy" one. If you can't remember, it's a rider from a team you don't like. So Trudgin for example ended up having to pick Kenny Elissonde last year, maybe if T-72 enters this year he would have to pick someone from Arkea ho ho ho.

The visual categories I guess you could do research on PCS for that. A lot of the other categories will have you looking up various sources anyway, but I guess we could stick with just one visual category if yours is the only feedback we get on it.

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Possibilities:

Wrapped in the Flag (Must have won 2019 national title)

Mr Loyalty  (Been on current team for at least 3 years)

The Underacheiver (has not lived up to early hype so far)

The Bottle Carrier  (has been largely a domestique with few leadership opportunities)

The Thirty-something  (born in the 80's)


"Wrapped in the Flag" is a good one. Lots of options there, even more if we make it to include RR and TT.

"The Bottle Carrier" covers much the same ground as "The Domestique" I think. Could just change the name of the category for a bit of variety.

As you say there is quite a bit of overlap between "The 30-Something" and "Glue Factory". What about something in a similar vein like "The Oldest Guy in the Team"? It limits you to one rider per real team, but there are ~40 pro teams and you could even end with a 22 year old if you dropped down to a CT devo team. Does that sound like it has a bit more potential for profit?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on November 13, 2019, 21:26
I'm in!

I like some of the suggestions for new categories:
- Widening "Colombian climber" to South American climber is a good idea with Ecuadorians winning GTs and Costaricans getting WT contracts - make it "Latin American climber", even?
- Does Other Stuff On A Bike combines the various non-road activities well.
- Rest Of The Budget, great idea, we've often ended up with much of the budget unspent.
- Straight Out Of Juniors - they'll all be at 0 points, so there's a guaranteed profit! Provided they score anything at all ...
- Wrapped In The Flag, yes please! :cool
- Mr Loyalty is a good category, a different approach that still leaves you with lots of options.

The other suggestions are largely "can do, don't have to" in my eyes.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 14, 2019, 14:20
Yes please
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on November 14, 2019, 15:37
Best put me in
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 14, 2019, 17:17
A Twitter advert on the VR account would be good to wake up the hibernators.

*cough* *cough*
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on November 14, 2019, 18:34
*cough* *cough*
I did my best:
https://twitter.com/Velorooms/status/1195047120778252289
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Flo on November 14, 2019, 18:41
I am in as well obviously
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 14, 2019, 19:23
for sure
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on November 14, 2019, 20:39
i'm in as a participant again,

Of the new categories proposed the one that I like are

Wrapped in the flag (for both RR and TT)
Mr Loyalty
The 30 something
Straight out of juniors
Rest of the budget

In terms of current categories I would keep the CXer and Trackie as separate categories as I would think there are enough of both to allow a decent pick in each category.

On the subject of the rest of the budget category that I suggested last year I don't think it should be an actual pick by one of us it should just be an automatic selection of the highest value rider that fits within the budget. If there is more than one rider on the same points though it should go to a vote of those taking part in the game.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 15, 2019, 07:47
On the subject of the rest of the budget category that I suggested last year I don't think it should be an actual pick by one of us it should just be an automatic selection of the highest value rider that fits within the budget. If there is more than one rider on the same points though it should go to a vote of those taking part in the game.

An automatic selection = someone losing a pick, which I'm sure no-one is too keen on.

The vote idea is nice though. Couldn't the selector pick 5+ names they like which are as close as possible to the required cost (the leeway would increase as the amount does) and then everyone votes?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on November 15, 2019, 10:52
An automatic selection = someone losing a pick, which I'm sure no-one is too keen on.

The vote idea is nice though. Couldn't the selector pick 5+ names they like which are as close as possible to the required cost (the leeway would increase as the amount does) and then everyone votes?

Fine tuning is needed obviously so perhaps the pick must use at least 90% of what is left so if at pick 33 there are 200 points in the pot the rider selected must cost between 180 and 200.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 15, 2019, 11:06
An automatic selection = someone losing a pick, which I'm sure no-one is too keen on.
well, unless we are exactly 11 (or 33 :P) participants, it shouldn't be a problem, I guess?!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on November 15, 2019, 11:21
Put me in please. Must be time for my rubbish picks again.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Flo on November 15, 2019, 15:13
I am not keen on actual rules regarding the final rider, and less so an automatic selection, sometimes a rider worth only 50% of the leftover budget can be the " best" pick. But maybe it would be good idea to do a vote, so the one who gets that category should pick 2 or 3 riders. Could even from different "price categories"  e.g. with 100 points left pick one rider that is 97 points but not as exciting and one that is 56 but maybe more promising and let us decide.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on November 15, 2019, 15:22
Barbie is a must again right? This year I tell you :D
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on November 15, 2019, 16:37
Barbie is a must again right? This year I tell you :D

Veto; I like this game, lol
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on November 15, 2019, 18:51
Veto; I like this game, lol

:(
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 15, 2019, 19:15
well, unless we are exactly 11 (or 33 :P) participants, it shouldn't be a problem, I guess?!

Okay I'll make a note of that. search is happy to have one less pick if necessary. ;)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on November 15, 2019, 20:29
I am pretty useless so I can extra picks. I mean less
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 19, 2019, 14:11
Still a few more days to get any suggestions you have in, or to put your name forward to be one of the selectors.

At the moment the categories I would be adding are:

Rest of the Budget
Wrapped in the Flag
Mr Loyalty
Straight out of Juniors
Surname beginning with [?]

I'm still not convinced about the 30-something one. For me it's too broad a category (a third of the pro peloton would be eligible?). I know we do have some broad categories already, but to me they're the less fun ones. My variation was "The Oldest Guy in the Team", but I'm not too happy about that either. For one thing all teams aren't complete yet and it might be too restrictive on top of that. How about we just call it "The Old Guy" and leave it to the selector (and vetoers!) to decide what constitutes "old"?

The disappearing categories:

Drugs Cheat
Sponsors Pick
One Trick Pony
Family Connection
Young ITT Specialist (the remaining ITT pick can young,old or whatever)
Glue Factory (if we can decide on a replacement)

A couple of other categories would change very slightly:

Colombian Climber ---------> Latin American Climber
Domestique ---------> Bottle Carrier
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on November 19, 2019, 15:19
So the full list of categories for 2020 would be:
#1    The GC Rider
#2    The Young GC Rider
#3    The Cobbles Rider
#4    The Young Cobbles Rider
#5    The Sprinter
#6    The Young Sprinter
#7    The ITT Specialist
#8    Wrapped in the Flag
#9    The Climber
#10   The Random Eastern European   
#11   The Who? ;)
#12   Mr Breakaway
#13   The Continental Dominator
#14   Mr Loyalty
#15   The Latin American Climber
#16   Straight Out of Juniors
#17   The CX-er
#18   The Trackie   
#19   The Bottle Carrier
#20   The Glue Factory - suggested to drop
#21   The African   
#22   Surname beginning with [?]
#23   The Injured One
#24   The Pretty Boy
#25   The Scandi
#26   The Close But No Cigar
#27   Sleeping With The Enemy
#28   The Fall From Grace Rider WT -> Conti
#29   "Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon"?
#30   The Next Big Thing™
#31   The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One
#32   The Zero Point Rider
#33   The Rest of the Budget

As you can see, we're down one category if we drop The Glue Factory. Going through the thread, we've had a.o. the following suggestions:
- The Underachiever
- The 30-Something

Personally, I like the 30-Something as a replacement for the Glue Factory. Yes, it will be a category with a lot of eligible riders - but then it's down to the picker to choose a rider who isn't just >30, but actually has prospects of improving on their 2019 score.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 19, 2019, 15:33
As you can see, we're down one category if we drop The Glue Factory. Going through the thread, we've had a.o. the following suggestions:
- The Underachiever
- The 30-Something

or "The Old Guy", and literally while typing this out I have just thought of a better titled version of the same category "Just Some Old Guy". Kinda catchy!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on November 19, 2019, 15:59
I like it :lol
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on November 20, 2019, 07:53
or "The Old Guy", and literally while typing this out I have just thought of a better titled version of the same category "Just Some Old Guy". Kinda catchy!
Deal! :lol
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 24, 2019, 09:39
Oh yes, we'll have a cut-off date of Sunday 24th November and I'll try to get the categories and selectors sorted out on that day.

Only nine entrants this year which is a shame, but it does mean more picks per selector. Six people will have four categories and the other three will just get three. Using a random number generator these are:

Four Picks

ArchieBoy
Armchair Cyclist
search
Leadbelly
Joelsim
Lukascph

Three Picks

just some guy
Flo
Carlo Algatrensig

Back in a bit!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 24, 2019, 10:33
Here's the full list of categories (again). I've added in some explanation where needed in case it's not very clear what is meant.

#1    GC Rider
#2    Young GC Rider
#3    Cobbles Rider
#4    Young Cobbles Rider
#5    Sprinter
#6    Young Sprinter
#7    ITT Specialist
#8    Wrapped in the Flag - National RR or ITT champ in 2019
#9    The Climber
#10   The Random Eastern European   
#11   Who? - Somebody you've never heard of, or at the very least know only by name
#12   Mr Breakaway
#13   The Continental Dominator - CT rider in 2020
#14   Mr Loyalty - Been on current team for 3 years (logically he should be continuing on same team in 2020)
#15   The Latin American Climber
#16   Straight Out of Juniors - Rider born in 2001 (this list (https://firstcycling.com/ranking.php?k=fc&rank=jr&y=2019) might help your research). Doesn't have to have a pro-contract.
#17   The CX-er
#18   The Trackie   
#19   The Bottle Carrier - somebody who's very much a domestique and gets few chances of his own
#20   Just Some Old Guy - An "old" rider
#21   The African   
#22   Surname beginning with A - This letter was randomly picked. The first three or four pages here (http://www.cyclingarchives.com/zoekcoureurjaar.php?page=1&zoekjaar=2019) could be useful if you're struggling
#23   The Injured One - Injured in 2019
#24   The Pretty Boy
#25   The Scandi
#26   Close But No Cigar - Someone from this list (https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/the-amazing-race-to-most-top10-without-a-win.33846/page-11#post-2405194) ie. no wins in 2019, but lots of top-tens.
#27   Sleeping With The Enemy - A rider on a team you "dislike"
#28   The Fall From Grace Rider WT -> Conti - the fall doesn't have to happened this year and can involve intermediate steps
#29   "Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon"
#30   The Next Big Thing™
#31   The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One
#32   The Zero Point Rider
#33   The Rest of the Budget Rider - Pick 5 riders you like as close to the amount as possible (some leeway allowed) and put it to the vote.

One more post to go.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 24, 2019, 11:16
Here we go then.

#Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search
#5 Sprinter search
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy
#7 ITT specialist search
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy
#9 The Climber search
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim
#11 Who? Leadbelly
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly
#14 Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy
#17 The CX-er just some guy
#18 The Trackie Lukascph
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy
#21 The African Joelsim
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist
#29 "Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon"? Carlo Algatrensig
#30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
Total Left

search has all his four picks in the first nine categories, but random is random.

Hopefully everybody has something they like, but feel free to try and arrange swaps if you have a category you really don't fancy.

First up is Archie!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on November 24, 2019, 11:36
If Froome is only 77 then that's the obvious budget saver, if not then back to the drawing board
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 24, 2019, 11:39
Love #20.   :lol

And Cobbles Rider isn't my forte!  :-x
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on November 24, 2019, 11:45
Love #20.   :lol

Is that a rider type or a description of me..
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 24, 2019, 12:02
Love #20.   :lol

Is that a rider type or a description of me..

Just Some Archieboy.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 24, 2019, 13:12
#Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search
#5 Sprinter search
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy
#7 ITT specialist search
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy
#9 The Climber search
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim
#11 Who? Leadbelly
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly
#14 Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy
#17 The CX-er just some guy
#18 The Trackie Lukascph
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy
#21 The African Joelsim
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist
#29 "Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon"? Carlo Algatrensig
#30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
Total Left 7423 (~232 per rider)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 24, 2019, 13:28
how young is still young? Younger than the youngest participant (Florry?)?!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 24, 2019, 13:32
23 or under I would assume.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 24, 2019, 13:44
mmh, no chance to get Haussler in then
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 24, 2019, 13:46
mmh, no chance to get Haussler in then

Depends on whether you think he’s yet to reach his potential!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 24, 2019, 13:54
for sure. And he looks kinda young
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 24, 2019, 13:57
for sure. And he looks kinda young

Maybe Lukas could pick Dan Martin as The Pretty Boy too.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 24, 2019, 14:09
If you really don't want the Cobbles Rider Joel, I could swap you it for either Sleeping with the Enemy, Who? or the Scandi.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 24, 2019, 14:14
If you really don't want the Cobbles Rider Joel, I could swap you it for either Sleeping with the Enemy, Who? or the Scandi.

It’s ok, I’ve found one that works.

And my other picks are random Eastern European, bottle carrier and African, so it’s nice to be able to pick someone people have heard of.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on November 24, 2019, 14:20
mmh, no chance to get Haussler in then

Good thinking though.

Wrapped in 2 flags gets Barbie in me thinks
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Josedin on November 24, 2019, 21:21
I arrived too late
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 24, 2019, 21:29
I arrived too late

You can have a couple of my picks if you like.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on November 24, 2019, 23:01
for sure. And he looks kinda young
He's definitely a Pretty Boy! :D

I'll do some searching for a young GC rider and return with my pick tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on November 25, 2019, 08:16
I'll do some searching for a young GC rider and return with my pick tomorrow.
And here it is: #sunweb OOMEN Sam

#Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider LukascphOOMEN Sam1797244
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search
#5 Sprinter search
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy
#7 ITT specialist search
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy
#9 The Climber search
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim
#11 Who? Leadbelly
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly
#14 Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy
#17 The CX-er just some guy
#18 The Trackie Lukascph
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy
#21 The African Joelsim
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist
#29 "Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon"? Carlo Algatrensig
#30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
Total Left 7244 (~233 per rider)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 25, 2019, 09:21
I'll go for Johnny Moscow.

MOSCON Gianni 424

Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 25, 2019, 09:52
I think I found about ~3 under 23 "cobbles riders" I ever heard of - and one of them doesn't even have a team yet, and another one is at Dimension, so an automatic non-selection :dizzy

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy   FROOME Chris      77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph   OOMEN Sam      179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim   MOSCON Gianni      424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch   DEWULF Stan      112      6708
#5Sprintersearch   CORT NIELSEN Magnus      227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy               
#7ITT specialistsearch               
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy               
#9The Climbersearch               
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim               
#11Who?Leadbelly               
#12Mr BreakawayFlo               
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbelly               
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFlo               
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoy               
#17The CX-erjust some guy               
#18The TrackieLukascph               
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsim               
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoy               
#21The AfricanJoelsim               
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               6481 (~231 per rider)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 25, 2019, 10:11
One of my picks is the random Eastern European, given it's unlikely normally, can I have your thoughts on that useless fella Peter Sagan?

I have a couple of others up my sleeve who perhaps aren't quite as well known.

Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 25, 2019, 10:24
I think I found about ~3 under 23 "cobbles riders" I ever heard of - and one of them doesn't even have a team yet, and another one is at Dimension, so an automatic non-selection :dizzy

Young doesn't have to mean U23. I got that category last year and went for Van Der Hoorn who was 25 or something at that point. Young just means "young".
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 25, 2019, 13:06
Young doesn't have to mean U23. I got that category last year and went for Van Der Hoorn who was 25 or something at that point. Young just means "young".

okay, I'll just leave it as it is. Apart from Wout, no one really springs to mind anyway - and if anyone wants to bring him in, there are still more than enough other opportunities.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on November 25, 2019, 15:30
On my phone can someone do the excel work for me?

HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 for the young sprinter

Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 25, 2019, 18:27
On my phone can someone do the excel work for me?

yep. Also added a boring addition from me

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy   FROOME Chris      77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph   OOMEN Sam      179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim   MOSCON Gianni      424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch   DEWULF Stan      112      6708
#5Sprintersearch   CORT NIELSEN Magnus      227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy   HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose      488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch   DUMOULIN Tom      341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy               
#9The Climbersearch               
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim               
#11Who?Leadbelly               
#12Mr BreakawayFlo               
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbelly               
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFlo               
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoy               
#17The CX-erjust some guy               
#18The TrackieLukascph               
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsim               
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoy               
#21The AfricanJoelsim               
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               5652 (~217 per rider)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on November 25, 2019, 18:46
GARRISON Ian 89 for wrapped in the flag
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 25, 2019, 19:54
Yeah, very mainstream so far. We need some crazy picks!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on November 25, 2019, 22:28
okay, I'll just leave it as it is. Apart from Wout, no one really springs to mind anyway - and if anyone wants to bring him in, there are still more than enough other opportunities.
Allow me to plug Jordi Meeus (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=26421). Had pro offers for 2020 already, but decided to stay U23 for one more year.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 26, 2019, 08:20
Yeah, very mainstream so far. We need some crazy picks!

yeah, and we won't even have any obscure Italian from Heather this year.

About time to get the 2020 Olympic Champion on board

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy   FROOME Chris      77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph   OOMEN Sam      179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim   MOSCON Gianni      424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch   DEWULF Stan      112      6708
#5Sprintersearch   CORT NIELSEN Magnus      227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy   HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose      488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch   DUMOULIN Tom      341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy   GARRISON Ian      89      5563
#9The Climbersearch   LYU Xianjing      218      5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim               
#11Who?Leadbelly               
#12Mr BreakawayFlo               
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbelly               
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFlo               
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoy               
#17The CX-erjust some guy               
#18The TrackieLukascph               
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsim               
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoy               
#21The AfricanJoelsim               
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               5345 (~232 per rider)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 26, 2019, 09:11
OK, I don't want to waste money on this category, so my pick is JERMAN Ziga for 42 points for Random Eastern European. A youngster with potential.

Was thinking Novikov, Cherkasov or Nommela but they're too expensive.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 26, 2019, 09:30
(https://i.imgur.com/ltj6Rae.jpg)

:P
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 26, 2019, 09:34
In my book...  :lol

(https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w728-h425-c728x425/upload/6e/ab/6d/shutterstock-1142693486.jpg)

Suppose I could've gone for Greipel too!

Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 26, 2019, 10:31
Not so easy since most CT squads aren't announced yet, so I stuck with PCT.

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112      6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89      5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218      5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42    5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104    5199
#12Mr BreakawayFlo               
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbelly               
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFlo               
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoy               
#17The CX-erjust some guy               
#18The TrackieLukascph               
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsim               
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoy               
#21The AfricanJoelsim               
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               5199 (~260 per rider)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Flo on November 26, 2019, 19:12
#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112      6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89      5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218      5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42    5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104    5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101    5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbelly               
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFlo               
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoy               
#17The CX-erjust some guy               
#18The TrackieLukascph               
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsim               
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoy               
#21The AfricanJoelsim               
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               5098 (~242 per rider)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 26, 2019, 20:44
Even with the Olympics, if Budding and Havik can score 300+ and 400+ at Beat then so can the man with the handlebars Jan-Willem Van Schip.

(https://i.imgur.com/DxxosV2.png)

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112      6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89      5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218      5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42    5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104    5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101      5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143      4955
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFlo               
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoy               
#17The CX-erjust some guy               
#18The TrackieLukascph               
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsim               
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoy               
#21The AfricanJoelsim               
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               4955 (~275 per rider)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 26, 2019, 22:47
Blimey, Dillier’s lost form.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on November 27, 2019, 09:09
Even with the Olympics, if Budding and Havik can score 300+ and 400+ at Beat then so can the man with the handlebars Jan-Willem Van Schip.

(https://i.imgur.com/DxxosV2.png)
But he was my pick for the Trackie! Back to the drawing board.

Also: Damn, that's aero.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 27, 2019, 22:25
Armchair's had his 24 hours. Over to Flo and her Latin American climber.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on November 28, 2019, 17:46
Armchair's had his 24 hours. Over to Flo and her Latin American climber.

Has anyone let AC know that it was his turn?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 28, 2019, 18:08
Has anyone let AC know that it was his turn?

I will pm him now (although he has been online in the time since the previous pick). Obviously he hasn't lost his selection, but we've just moved on to Flo to keep things ticking over.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 28, 2019, 18:28
It can’t be that difficult to pick Mr Loyalty, Rohan Dennis is the obvious pick.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on November 28, 2019, 22:00
It’s almost like this is off-season.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Flo on November 29, 2019, 06:41
Sorry, no Bananito

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112      6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89      5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218      5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42    5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104    5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101      5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143      4955
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFloMARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      526    4429   
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoy               
#17The CX-erjust some guy               
#18The TrackieLukascph               
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsim               
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoy               
#21The AfricanJoelsim               
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               4429 (~233 per rider)

Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on November 29, 2019, 13:31
Me up next then with " straight out of juniors ". So what's the age definition for this please, got a few but not completely sure they fit the description, cheers
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on November 29, 2019, 14:31
Me up next then with " straight out of juniors ". So what's the age definition for this please, got a few but not completely sure they fit the description, cheers

I assumed it would be a rider in their first year out of being a junior so would need to be a rider born in 2001.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on November 29, 2019, 14:36
I'd think everyone born 2001 or later is a Junior. There can't be too many of those stepping up to WT/PCT though?!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on November 29, 2019, 14:50
Yeah 2001 is what I sort of worked out, but WT/ Pro is sort of harder.
Cont would be easier but is that no good ?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 29, 2019, 15:01
Here's the full list of categories. I've added in some explanation where needed in case it's not very clear what is meant.

#16   Straight Out of Juniors - Rider born in 2001 (this list (https://firstcycling.com/ranking.php?k=fc&rank=jr&y=2019) might help your research). Doesn't have to have a pro-contract.
 

:cool
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on November 29, 2019, 15:06
Cheers Leadbelly, in that case its,
GARRISON Michael

Post Merge: November 29, 2019, 15:14
And that should be zero cost I believe.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on November 30, 2019, 18:03
#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112      6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89      5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218      5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42    5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104    5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101      5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143      4955
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFloMARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      526      4429   
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoyGARRISON Michael      0      4429
#17The CX-erjust some guy               
#18The TrackieLukascph               
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsim               
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoy               
#21The AfricanJoelsim               
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               4429 (~261 per rider)

JSG's been captured by aliens, so onto Fus and his trackie.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on December 01, 2019, 10:38
Sorry

VAN AERT Wout 898
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 01, 2019, 23:06
He's part of the Danish team pursuit squad, and will likely not race much on the road in 2020 as he's targeting Tokyo. But for the price of 38 points, even just a handful of races at his usual form will bring him into profit:
JOHANSEN Julius

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112      6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89      5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218      5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42    5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104    5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101      5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143      4955
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFloMARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      526      4429   
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoyGARRISON Michael      0      4429
#17The CX-erjust some guyVAN AERT Wout   898   3531
#18The TrackieLukascphJOHANSEN Julius   38   3493
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsim               
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoy               
#21The AfricanJoelsim               
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               3493 (~233 per rider)

Joelsim's turn to pick a bottle carrier.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 02, 2019, 08:33
I knew you were going to go for him. :D
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 02, 2019, 09:22
I knew you were going to go for him. :D
I hadn't realised he scored so few points this year, so I didn't.
But once I found out, while the search for more trackies continued for a while, the decision was made already for all intents and purposes.
38 points? It's a freaking steal.

Go Julle! :cheer
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 02, 2019, 09:24
The Bottle Carrier - ELISSONDE Kenny  113.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on December 02, 2019, 12:08
Just some old guy...... NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel..... 59
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 02, 2019, 16:24
Oh, it’s my go again...
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 02, 2019, 16:30
As Froomedog has already been taken, I’ll go for:

ARERUYA Joseph for 79.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 02, 2019, 23:37
As Froomedog has already been taken, I’ll go for:

ARERUYA Joseph for 79.
More expensive than a multiple GT winner! :o :D
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 03, 2019, 09:18
#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112      6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89      5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218      5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42    5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104    5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101      5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143      4955
#14Mr LoyaltyArmchair Cyclist               
#15The Latin American ClimberFloMARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      526      4429   
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoyGARRISON Michael      0      4429
#17The CX-erjust some guyVAN AERT Wout   898   3531
#18The TrackieLukascphJOHANSEN Julius   38   3493
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsimELISSONDE Kenny      113         3380   
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoyNAVARRO GARCIA Daniel         59         3321   
#21The AfricanJoelsimARERUYA Joseph         79         3242
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist               
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               3242 (~270 per rider)

Back to Armchair.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 03, 2019, 17:59
Well that's over 24 hours since the last pick and the second one Armchair's missed. I hope he's just gone on holiday rather than something more serious. Onto Carlo and somebody who has been injured in 2019.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 03, 2019, 20:01
Sorry guys.  Wife was in hospital so everything was up in the air (all OK, except that I am behind on non-essentials).

Didn't realise it was quite that long since I had been here.

Can't do it right now, but I shoyuld before the evening is out.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 03, 2019, 20:23
Sorry guys.  Wife was in hospital so everything was up in the air (all OK, except that I am behind on non-essentials).

Didn't realise it was quite that long since I had been here.

Can't do it right now, but I shoyuld before the evening is out.

Hope she’s ok mate.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 03, 2019, 20:31
No rush Armchair. Just glad everything's now okay. :cool
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 03, 2019, 22:13
Thanks for the good wishes: a bit of a scare, but she seems fine now, and back home.

Mr Loyalty: a tricky restriction, what idiot suggested that?  But I found someone with a sufficiently lazy agent: he had done two 4 year stints before embarking on what is to be a 6 year association with his current employers Christopher Juul Jensen.  Did a bit more research and began shortlisting for my own team (although after top tens in the first two years of the game, I have done appallingly ever since), and have come up with a better option.  Max Kanter has been on Sunweb and its development team for three years, with at least two to follow.  A return to what he did as a 20 year old would see a 2500% return.

I spy with my little eye, someone beginning with A:  there were a few possibilities, and at least this is easier to verify than the loyalty one.  I still have faith that he can recover: Fabio Aru.

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77      7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179      7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424      6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112      6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227      6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488      5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341      5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89      5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218      5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42    5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104    5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101      5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143      4955
#15The Latin American ClimberFloMARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      526      4429   
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoyGARRISON Michael      0      4429
#17The CX-erjust some guyVAN AERT Wout   898   3531
#18The TrackieLukascphJOHANSEN Julius   38   3493
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsimELISSONDE Kenny      113         3380   
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoyNAVARRO GARCIA Daniel         59         3321   
#21The AfricanJoelsimARERUYA Joseph         79         3242
#14*Mr LoyaltyArmchair CyclistKANTER Max   8      3234
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair Cyclist   ARU Fabio      194      3040
#23The Injured OneCarlo Algatrensig               
#24The Pretty BoyLukascph               
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               3040 (~304 per rider)

Sorry: I wasn't going to recalculate the points left for those between 14 and 21 on the picks list, so I moved it.

Looking ahead to my next pick, does the drop from WT to Conti have to be in the current off-season, or is it anyone who has been WT and is Conti in 2020?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 04, 2019, 07:25
Looking ahead to my next pick, does the drop from WT to Conti have to be in the current off-season, or is it anyone who has been WT and is Conti in 2020?

The latter option.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on December 04, 2019, 08:45
Good news AC that the wife is on the mend
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 04, 2019, 09:57
As Froomedog has already been taken, I’ll go for:

ARERUYA Joseph for 79.

Can I change this to GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul for 207 please. It appears Areruya is moving to a team in the Caribbean.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on December 04, 2019, 10:06
how about the new Cavendish from Eritrea? Or will he have too much competition in his first year at Delko?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 04, 2019, 10:20
how about the new Cavendish from Eritrea? Or will he have too much competition in his first year at Delko?

With Jules and Barbier there, I'd think so.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on December 04, 2019, 10:32
With Jules and Barbier there, I'd think so.
I was more thinking about Rajovic and Grosu, but yeah, all in all probably a bit too many sprinters - and who knows what kind of visa issues he may have on top of that
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 04, 2019, 10:46
Can I change this to GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul for 207 please. It appears Areruya is moving to a team in the Caribbean.
Two years ago, those more in the know than me expected Areruya's European adventure to not work out. Sadly, they turned out to be right.
Racing in the Caribbean is nice and all, but it's just not Europe. And it doesn't give (many) CQ points.

Amanuel G a much better pick in this case.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on December 04, 2019, 19:23
The injured one

He missed a large chunk of this year due to injury but hopefully he can come back and have the sort of season he did in 2018 so will hopefully be a good investment for just 5 points

Sean de Bie

Edit to add can someone who is better than me at it update the table please.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 04, 2019, 21:27
Edit to add can someone who is better than me at it update the table please.
Done!

I just add The Pretty Boy first. And who else than HAUSSLER Heinrich could it be? :cool

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77   7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179   7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424   6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112   6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227   6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488   5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341   5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89   5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218   5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42   5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104   5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101   5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143   4955
#15The Latin American ClimberFloMARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      526   4429   
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoyGARRISON Michael      0   4429
#17The CX-erjust some guyVAN AERT Wout   898   3531
#18The TrackieLukascphJOHANSEN Julius   38   3493
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsimELISSONDE Kenny      113   3380   
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoyNAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   59   3321   
#21The AfricanJoelsimARERUYA Joseph   79   3242
#14*Mr LoyaltyArmchair CyclistKANTER Max   8   3234
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair CyclistARU Fabio   194   3040
#23The Injured OneCarlo AlgatrensigDE BIE Sean   5   3035
#24The Pretty BoyLukascphHAUSSLER Heinrich   144   2891
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               2891 (~361 per rider*)
*calculated for 8 riders as one will use zero points

Note that if Areruya is replaced by Amanuel G, the total points left will shrink a bit more.

Leadbelly up next, to pick a Scandi!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 04, 2019, 23:26
Done!

I just add The Pretty Boy first. And who else than HAUSSLER Heinrich could it be? :cool

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77   7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179   7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424   6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112   6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227   6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488   5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341   5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89   5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218   5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42   5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104   5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101   5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143   4955
#15The Latin American ClimberFloMARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      526   4429   
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoyGARRISON Michael      0   4429
#17The CX-erjust some guyVAN AERT Wout   898   3531
#18The TrackieLukascphJOHANSEN Julius   38   3493
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsimELISSONDE Kenny      113   3380   
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoyNAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   59   3321   
#21The AfricanJoelsimARERUYA Joseph   79   3242
#14*Mr LoyaltyArmchair CyclistKANTER Max   8   3234
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair CyclistARU Fabio   194   3040
#23The Injured OneCarlo AlgatrensigDE BIE Sean   5   3035
#24The Pretty BoyLukascphHAUSSLER Heinrich   144   2891
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               2891 (~361 per rider*)
*calculated for 8 riders as one will use zero points

Note that if Areruya is replaced by Amanuel G, the total points left will shrink a bit more.

Leadbelly up next, to pick a Scandi!

Vichot?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Flo on December 05, 2019, 10:35
Maybe pick a Pretty Boy who could actually be a good pick?  :D :D :D
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 05, 2019, 10:58
Maybe pick a Pretty Boy who could actually be a good pick?  :D :D :D

Or even pretty.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on December 05, 2019, 11:16
you guys know you're walking on thin ice, don't you?!

:shh
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on December 05, 2019, 18:03
Done!

I just add The Pretty Boy first. And who else than HAUSSLER Heinrich could it be? :cool

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77   7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179   7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424   6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112   6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227   6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488   5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341   5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89   5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218   5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42   5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104   5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101   5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143   4955
#15The Latin American ClimberFloMARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      526   4429   
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoyGARRISON Michael      0   4429
#17The CX-erjust some guyVAN AERT Wout   898   3531
#18The TrackieLukascphJOHANSEN Julius   38   3493
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsimELISSONDE Kenny      113   3380   
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoyNAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   59   3321   
#21The AfricanJoelsimARERUYA Joseph   79   3242
#14*Mr LoyaltyArmchair CyclistKANTER Max   8   3234
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair CyclistARU Fabio   194   3040
#23The Injured OneCarlo AlgatrensigDE BIE Sean   5   3035
#24The Pretty BoyLukascphHAUSSLER Heinrich   144   2891
#25The ScandiLeadbelly               
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               2891 (~361 per rider*)
*calculated for 8 riders as one will use zero points

Note that if Areruya is replaced by Amanuel G, the total points left will shrink a bit more.

Leadbelly up next, to pick a Scandi!

You are My hero Fus, noice
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 05, 2019, 18:25
Maybe pick a Pretty Boy who could actually be a good pick?  :D :D :D
Since when is the VR collective team about good picks?! :lol
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 05, 2019, 18:51
Since when is the VR collective team about good picks?! :lol

I think we need to hold an investigation into this. First stop yours, JSG’s and search’s bank accounts to see whether young Heinrich has deposited a substantial sum of money there. The Velorooms Mafia (TM).  :lol
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 05, 2019, 20:04
Haussler is more like "The Haggard One" these days. :P

Scandi - Anthon Charmig

On the comeback trail with Colo next year. Very few race days the past couple of seasons (zero in 2018), but fairly recently he did compete in the Taiwan KOM Challenge and won ahead of Dyball and Ficara. Admittedly he was in a break which was given too much rope, but hey the climb is no cake walk.

ps. At said event, he also managed to pee off the locals (and their ancestors) by sitting on someone's tomb. Taiwanese social media speculated that he would from now on be cursed (and his butt might rot!). The VR Collective team could be the first step.....

#Rider TypePicker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1GC RiderArchieBoy FROOME Chris    77   7423
#2Young GC RiderLukascph OOMEN Sam    179   7244
#3Cobbles RiderJoelsim MOSCON Gianni    424   6820
#4Young Cobbles Ridersearch DEWULF Stan    112   6708
#5Sprintersearch CORT NIELSEN Magnus    227   6481
#6Young Sprinterjust some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose    488   5993
#7ITT specialistsearch DUMOULIN Tom    341   5652
#8Wrapped in the Flagjust some guy GARRISON Ian    89   5563
#9The Climbersearch LYU Xianjing    218   5345
#10The Random Eastern EuropeanJoelsim JERMAN Ziga    42   5303
#11Who?Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs    104   5199
#12Mr BreakawayFloDILLIER Silvan      101   5098   
#13The Continental DominatorLeadbellyVAN SCHIP Jan-Willem         143   4955
#15The Latin American ClimberFloMARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      526   4429   
#16Straight out of JuniorsArchieBoyGARRISON Michael      0   4429
#17The CX-erjust some guyVAN AERT Wout   898   3531
#18The TrackieLukascphJOHANSEN Julius   38   3493
#19The Bottle CarrierJoelsimELISSONDE Kenny      113   3380   
#20Just Some Old GuyArchieBoyNAVARRO GARCIA Daniel   59   3321   
#21The AfricanJoelsimARERUYA Joseph   79   3242
#14*Mr LoyaltyArmchair CyclistKANTER Max   8   3234
#22Surname beginning with AArmchair CyclistARU Fabio   194   3040
#23The Injured OneCarlo AlgatrensigDE BIE Sean   5   3035
#24The Pretty BoyLukascphHAUSSLER Heinrich   144   2891
#25The ScandiLeadbellyCHARMIG Anthon      0      2891
#26The Close But No CigarCarlo Algatrensig               
#27Sleeping with the EnemyLeadbelly               
#28The Fall from Grace rider WT -> ContiArmchair Cyclist               
#29Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon?Carlo Algatrensig               
#30The Next Big Thing™Flo               
#31The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation OneLukascph               
#32The Zero Point RiderArchieBoy               
#33The Rest of the Budget RiderArmchair Cyclist               
Total Left               2891 (~413 per rider*)
*calculated for 7 riders as one will use zero points


Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on December 05, 2019, 20:30
Not quite sure if this quite counts as "Close but no cigar". He's had some decent results since turning professional but still to have his first victory

DUNBAR Eddie for 488 points
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 05, 2019, 20:42
Dunbar meets the criteria. ie. he is on this list (https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/the-amazing-race-to-most-top10-without-a-win.33846/page-11#post-2405194) with 14 top-tens and zero wins this year.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on December 05, 2019, 22:11
Dunbar meets the criteria. ie. he is on this list (https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/the-amazing-race-to-most-top10-without-a-win.33846/page-11#post-2405194) with 14 top-tens and zero wins this year.

over to you then for the sleeping with the enemy pick
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 06, 2019, 05:40
So who don't I like? I don't hate any teams, but some teams are further down the scale than others or have an aspect I don't like.

 #ef - Vaughters, his wish for a closed WT shop, late start lists, #exploretheworld, some of their (ex) riders (Phinney and Teabag).

 #groupama - Really can't stand Madiot. He's probably fine in real life, but the cartoon "Madiot" winds me up.

 #tarteletto - Some questionable stuff going on there this year.

I'm going for MADOUAS Valentin - 540 points.

No time to update the list unfortunately.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 06, 2019, 06:39
Not quite sure if this quite counts as "Close but no cigar". He's had some decent results since turning professional but still to have his first victory

DUNBAR Eddie for 488 points
So who don't I like? I don't hate any teams, but some teams are further down the scale than others or have an aspect I don't like.

I'm going for MADOUAS Valentin - 540 points.

No time to update the list unfortunately.
I'm going for MADOUAS Valentin - 540 points.

No time to update the list unfortunately.
Updated list:
# Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
#5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
#7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
#9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
#11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
#17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
#18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
#21 The African Joelsim ARERUYA Joseph 79 3242
#14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3234
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 3040
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 3035
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2891
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2891
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2403
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1863
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist
#29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig
#30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
Total Left 1863 (~372 per rider*)
*calculated for 5 riders as one will use zero points

Armchair Cyclist up with a rider who's fallen from grace.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 06, 2019, 09:15
Fall from Grace, from WT to CT.   I considered Davide Appollonio until I remembered the rule by which he would be priced according to his 2014 performances.  It came down to a pick between two climbers dropped by CCC this year, Antunes or Zoidl: I plump for Antunes. 

# Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
#5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
#7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
#9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
#11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
#17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
#18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
#21 The African Joelsim ARERUYA Joseph 79 3242
#14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3234
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 3040
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 3035
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2891
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2891
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2403
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1863
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair CyclistANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1733
#29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig
#30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
Total Left 1733 (~433 per rider*)
*calculated for 4 riders as one will use zero points; 1605 pts at 401 per rider if Joelsim confirms Gebreigzabhier over Areruya.

Back to Carlo...
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Carlo Algatrensig on December 06, 2019, 16:38
So the rider who had a good year a few years back due another one soon

Had a good 2016, ok 2017 missed the whole of 2018. A move to Correndon Circus mean he might have to work for MvDP in some races but hopefully he will get a chance to ride for himself in some .1 and .hc races

The pick is

VAKOC Petr 145 points.

Again if someone could please update the table for me as I got a bit confused with working out how many points were left with Joels undecided pick.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 06, 2019, 18:29
# Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
#5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
#7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
#9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
#11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
#17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
#18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
#21 The African Joelsim ARERUYA Joseph 79 3242
#14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3234
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 3040
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 3035
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2891
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2891
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2403
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1863
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair CyclistANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1733
#29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr145 1588
#30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
Total Left 1588 (~529 per rider*)
*calculated for 3 riders as one will use zero points; 1460 pts at 487 per rider if Joelsim confirms Gebreigzabhier over Areruya.

Joel: we need you to confirm your pick.

Flo: Who is the NBT?

Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on December 06, 2019, 18:33
Rest of the Budget rider going to be alright me thinks
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Flo on December 06, 2019, 18:35
I think we need to hold an investigation into this. First stop yours, JSG’s and search’s bank accounts to see whether young Heinrich has deposited a substantial sum of money there. The Velorooms Mafia (TM).  :lol
If only Krebby were still with us... He'd get to the bottom of it I'm sure. Bingo mafia strikes again
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Flo on December 06, 2019, 18:38
I can't believe Madouas is our sleeping with the enemy pick :o
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Flo on December 06, 2019, 18:42
Well, I was going to go for Dainese, but we still have so many points left
JSG had a good suggestion in Cosnefroy
Madouas would have been a good choice as well!!
But let's go for Ivan Garcia Cortina
# Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
#5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
#7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
#9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
#11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
#17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
#18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
#21 The African Joelsim ARERUYA Joseph 79 3242
#14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3234
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 3040
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 3035
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2891
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2891
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2403
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1863
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair CyclistANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1733
#29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr145 1588
#30 The Next Big Thing™ FloGARCIA CORTINA Ivan 453 1135
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
Total Left 1153 (~576 per rider*)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 06, 2019, 19:04
I’ll go for Gebreigzabhier please. Doesn’t make any sense at all to have Areruya.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 06, 2019, 19:58
Already it's my turn again!
And I just realised that because this is the penultimate pick with points, I can also decide how many points the rest-of-budget rider may have.  :D
Within narrow constraints, though: I need to pick someone from a 'non-traditional cycling nation', a term that isn't very well-defined.
Does it include Colombia? Definitely not. Eritrea? Nope. Probably not Norway, either - Dag Otto in the 1980s paved the way, and since then the country has hosted two road Worlds.
Slovenia? Though the independent country is very young, it was the centre of cycling in Yugoslavia, and has produced many top pros in its 28 years of independence. So Matej Mohorič was out too.

Interestingly, the four riders left on my shortlist are all from the Baltic countries ... and after some consideration, I went for NOMMELA Aksel who had a decent first pro season in 2019 and sees several of his sprinter teammates moving on, making it likely he will get an even bigger role at the team next year.

# Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
#5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
#7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
#9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
#11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
#17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
#18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
#21 The African Joelsim GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul 207 3114
#14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3106
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 2912
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 2907
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2763
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2763
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2275
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1735
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist ANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1605
#29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr 145 1460
#30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo GARCIA CORTINA Ivan 453 1007
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph NOMMELA Aksel 208 799
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoy
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair Cyclist
Total Left 799 (799 per rider)

This leaves a whopping 799 points for Armchair Cyclist to pick a shortlist for - but first, ArchieBoy will give us our third rider with zero points.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on December 06, 2019, 20:49
Here we go, the new star at Trek - Segafredo,

SIMMONS Quinn
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 06, 2019, 21:14
There are 15 riders who cost 90-100% of what we have left.  Of those, the only one who I even vaguely considered for my team was Roman Bardet.  Two others meet what I would normally use as an indicator that they might be a good pick in that they scored considerably better last year or the year before than in the season that is coming to an end: Geraint Thomas and Fernando Gaviria.  There are youngsters on their way up in that bracket, although I fear they may have reached the level at which they will plateau (or may have overachieved this year, hitting a peak rather early in their careers): I'll put Pavel Sivakov and Fabio Jakobsen forward.

So the poll is between:
THOMAS Geraint (4)
SIVAKOV Pavel (8)
JAKOBSEN Fabio (18)
BARDET Romain (65)
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando (68)

The bracket shows how many points we have left to play with if the panel of selectors want to change any of those already named.


And the first vote is cast for: Bardet.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 06, 2019, 21:27
Gaviria for me.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Flo on December 06, 2019, 21:39
Damn, we could almost afford Tibo. I guess I'll vote for Bardet, even though I don't expect much from him.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on December 07, 2019, 07:20
I'd vote for Bardet as well
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on December 07, 2019, 08:05
Bardet
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 07, 2019, 08:24
Bardet for me too.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 07, 2019, 08:45
Bardet!
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Archieboy on December 07, 2019, 08:53
Looks like Joel looses again..

Bardet
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on December 07, 2019, 10:00
Looks like Joel looses again..

Bardet

Standard for Joel :lol
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 07, 2019, 10:18
(https://static.greatbigcanvas.com/images/singlecanvas_thick_none/everett-collection/french-actress-brigitte-bardot,2399310.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 07, 2019, 10:26
So that seems a fairly conclusive end to that stage.

# Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
#5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
#7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
#9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
#11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
#17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
#18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
#21 The African Joelsim GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul 207 3114
#14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3106
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 2912
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 2907
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2763
#25 The Scandi Leadbelly CHARMIG Anthon 0 2763
#26 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2275
#27 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1735
#28 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist ANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1605
#29 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr 145 1460
#30 The Next Big Thing™ Flo GARCIA CORTINA Ivan 453 1007
#31 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph NOMMELA Aksel 208 799
#32 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoySIMMONS Quinn 0 799
#33 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair CyclistBARDET Romain 734 65
Total Left 65

So what's next? Second thoughts within our own sections? Trying to persuade a section picker to change their mind?  Vetoes? Or are we ready to submit the team, and merely dream about what we should have done with 65 extra points?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 07, 2019, 18:03
I think all picks are pretty much within the boundaries of their categories (apart from Haussler), so I can't see too much grounds for a successful veto.

Nothing wrong though if someone wants to use the leftovers to amend one of their own selections, or even juggle a couple of riders if they've changed their minds or a recent transfer takes their fancy.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: LukasCPH on December 07, 2019, 22:17
I think all picks are pretty much within the boundaries of their categories (apart from Haussler)
Surely if someone's nickname is "Barbie", they are the very definition of a Pretty Boy? :S

 :P
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 19, 2019, 15:12
The 2020 game has been announced over at CN forum (I hope Skidmark hasn't forgotten us here): Is this team ready to be submitted?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on December 19, 2019, 16:58
The 2020 game has been announced over at CN forum (I hope Skidmark hasn't forgotten us here): Is this team ready to be submitted?

I would imagine so. Anyone who has any complaints, shout now.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 19, 2019, 20:34
I might have a change actually. Someone got shuffled out of my own team, so I may just shuffle him in here. Will confirm it either tomorrow morning or evening.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 20, 2019, 05:39
Scandi

Charmig (0 points) ------------> Hulgaard (49 points)

We lose our cursed rider, but probably gain a better chance of increasing our score. The Uno-X calendar should suit him and a good TT is always beneficial.

# Rider Type Picker Rider Name Points Total Left
#1 GC Rider ArchieBoy FROOME Chris 77 7423
#2 Young GC Rider Lukascph OOMEN Sam 179 7244
#3 Cobbles Rider Joelsim MOSCON Gianni 424 6820
#4 Young Cobbles Rider search DEWULF Stan 112 6708
#5 Sprinter search CORT NIELSEN Magnus 227 6481
#6 Young Sprinter just some guy HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose 488 5993
#7 ITT specialist search DUMOULIN Tom 341 5652
#8 Wrapped in the Flag just some guy GARRISON Ian 89 5563
#9 The Climber search LYU Xianjing 218 5345
#10 The Random Eastern European Joelsim JERMAN Ziga 42 5303
#11 Who? Leadbelly PAASSCHENS Mathijs 104 5199
#12 Mr Breakaway Flo DILLIER Silvan 101 5098
#13 The Continental Dominator Leadbelly VAN SCHIP Jan-Willem 143 4955
#15 The Latin American Climber Flo MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 526 4429
#16 Straight out of Juniors ArchieBoy GARRISON Michael 0 4429
#17 The CX-er just some guy VAN AERT Wout 898 3531
#18 The Trackie Lukascph JOHANSEN Julius 38 3493
#19 The Bottle Carrier Joelsim ELISSONDE Kenny 113 3380
#20 Just Some Old Guy ArchieBoy NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 59 3321
#21 The African Joelsim GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul 207 3114
#14* Mr Loyalty Armchair Cyclist KANTER Max 8 3106
#22 Surname beginning with A Armchair Cyclist ARU Fabio 194 2912
#23 The Injured One Carlo Algatrensig DE BIE Sean 5 2907
#24 The Pretty Boy Lukascph HAUSSLER Heinrich 144 2763
#25 The Close But No Cigar Carlo Algatrensig DUNBAR Eddie 488 2275
#26 Sleeping with the Enemy Leadbelly MADOUAS Valentin 540 1735
#27 The Fall from Grace rider WT -> Conti Armchair Cyclist ANTUNES Amaro Manuel Reposo 130 1605
#28 Had One Good Season A Few Years Ago..Another One Soon? Carlo Algatrensig VAKOC Petr 145 1460
#29 The Next Big Thing™ Flo GARCIA CORTINA Ivan 453 1007
#30 The Non-Traditional Cycling Nation One Lukascph NOMMELA Aksel 208 799
#31 The Zero Point Rider ArchieBoySIMMONS Quinn 0 799
#32 The Rest of the Budget Rider Armchair CyclistBARDET Romain 734 65
#33 The Scandi Leadbelly HULGAARD Morten 49 16
Total Left 16

Still 16 points left if anyone else wants to change one of their own picks.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: skidmark on December 21, 2019, 15:17
The 2020 game has been announced over at CN forum (I hope Skidmark hasn't forgotten us here): Is this team ready to be submitted?

I didn't forget you guys! I just forgot that sometimes this forum doesn't accept long posts, so I posted it at the same time as CN and when I hit 'submit' it booted me back to the main forum page and I forgot that meant it hadn't posted, but then when I checked back the next day I realized it hadn't so I posted it in a few pieces and then merged it. Anyway, should be all good to go - pardon if I haven't replied to those who've submitted so far, I'm catching up on Sunday, just a little hectic time of year.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 27, 2019, 19:33
Last call at the VR Collective bar for any changes to the team. Otherwise I'll send in the team tomorrow evening to skids.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Leadbelly on December 28, 2019, 19:20
......and we are entered! For better or for worse. :P

Thankfully the total did come to 7484.

Should be fairly low in the popularity stakes. We have under 10 riders who I think will have a very high rate of selection and there are some obvious gimmes we are missing.

Personally I was 2/33 in comparison with my own team.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: search on January 22, 2020, 08:26
"Young cobbles rider" Stan Dewulf will miss all cobbled classics due to a knee surgery :(

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200121_04815233
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on January 22, 2020, 13:44
"Young cobbles rider" Stan Dewulf will miss all cobbled classics due to a knee surgery :(

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200121_04815233

VR kiss of death
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 22, 2020, 16:36
First name on the shortlist for the 2021 game?
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: just some guy on January 22, 2020, 19:04
First name on the shortlist for the 2021 game?

In the team
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Joelsim on January 22, 2020, 20:01
First name on the shortlist for the 2021 game?

Marco Brenner.
Title: Re: 2020 VR Collective CQ Team
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 23, 2020, 00:14
I meant it as a response to the Stan DeWulf news, but true, Stan is second.