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Title: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on December 19, 2019, 20:56
Hi all, and welcome to the 2020 CQ Ranking Manager Game! This is the tenth edition of the game. Please see below for some history, basics, and more specific rules related to dates, dopers, etc.

History


The game was launched on December 8th 2010 (https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/cq-ranking.13361/) by cyclingnews forum poster Hugo Koblet. His idea was to have a game where you build a cycling team from the website cqranking.com and its comprehensive numerical rankings of riders. What was originally meant to be a 25-team max competition that Hugo reserved the right to cancel if there was lack of interest became the most successful game in cyclingnews forum history, and has expanded to velorooms forums as well.

Hugo successfully ran the game for 3 years, and it bred various offshoots, such as a youth game, seasonal games (classics and GTs), emerging riders and riders in decline games. I took over organizing the main game for 2014 when Hugo got too busy, and have done so for the past five years. See the second post in this thread for a roll of honour of yearly champions.


That is it for preamble. Let’s go through the more comprehensive set of rules:

Basics


The game is based on the point system developed by the website www.cqranking.com. Based on this system you will have to select a team of between 25 and 33 riders whose combined value doesn’t exceed 7500 points. 7500 points is a fair bit under the mean for the ProTour teams whose mean for 2019 is 8716. 7500 is closest to the amount of points Trek Segafredo made this season, the 11th ranked of the 18 WT teams.

Your aim then is to select a team of riders who will increase their 2019 score the most during the 2020 season. The winner of the game is the one who has selected the team with the highest combined value when the game ends.


1. How the game works

1.1. Start & Finish

The season starts when the first race giving CQ points is held (which is the Aussie National Road Championships on January 8th) and ends when the last major race (.1 or higher) is held. The winner will be crowned when the next update after the last major race is out.*

*An extension will be granted to the end of season if it is very close at the top. If any teams are within 100 points of the leader after the last major race, the season will be automatically extended until the final race of the year unless all teams within 100 points explicitly concede. As well, anyone in the top 10 can extend the season by PMing me a request to do so before the last major race starts.

(The reason for this rule is that although minor races go through December, it is rare to have a rider in the game participate in these races, so it is sensible to end the season when people are still generally watching cycling. But if it's a very close race, it's important to crown the person who picked the best team for the year.)

1.2 Updates
Each week we will publish an update with a top 10 and a list of the high scorers and high jumpers. This will sometimes be by me, and sometimes by others – I will be setting a tentative schedule based on volunteers.



Post Merge: December 19, 2019, 20:59


2. On doping

2.1. On ex-dopers
All riders are available to choose, except for riders who are provisionally suspended by the UCI (as of their most recent list (https://www.uci.org/docs/default-source/clean-sport-documents/adrv/2019-08-29-provisional-suspensions.pdf?sfvrsn=14d705b4_258)).

Riders who have been suspended for doping and had that affect their 2019 score will not be available simply for their 2019 score. Instead, a rider’s value will be equivalent to that of his last full season; or, if he has more recently had a (not full, due to suspension) season in which he has earned more points, that season represents his value. Riders who have been suspended by the UCI (ie. Not merely provisionally suspended) are on this list (http://uci.org/docs/default-source/clean-sport-documents/adrv/2019-08-29-sanctions.pdf?sfvrsn=3ab4874a_189).

Therefore, you can pick any rider you like, but if you want to take Davide Appollonio, for example (his suspension ended in 2019), he got 38 points in 2019, but that is a partial season as his ban ended mid-season. His positive result and suspension came from 2015, meaning his last 'full' season was 2014, in which he scored 237 points. He scored fewer points in his 'partial' 2015 season (102) and his 'partial' 2019 season, so his cost is his last 'full' season. But if he had scored, say, 300 points in 2015 or 2019, that would be his cost instead.

Hopefully the lists I've provided and the rules are clear enough, but if you make an error I will try to let you know if any of your submissions fall into this category.

2.2. Riders getting caught during the season
If you include a rider in your team who gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar, nothing happens right away. Your rider keeps his points unless the cqranking.com deletes his results before the end of the game.

Basically, the value of a rider on cqranking.com always stands.

3. Submitting your team

3.1. How do I?

You pick between 25 and 33 riders whose combined value doesn’t exceed 7500 points and send the list to me.

As I will manually have to include the teams into the Microsoft Excel file which keeps track of the scores, please be careful that you send your team to me based on the correct formula. I don’t take any responsibility for any error you might make. If I spot an error I will do my best to contact you but I can’t guarantee anything. Of course, if you have any questions feel free to ask either here in this thread or by sending a personal message.

The layout you need to use is this:

VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
SAGAN Peter
Etc.

Nothing else. No point scores after the name. Also, be careful that there is no “space” after the name, because I will have to delete it manually, but can't always detect these things in time for the game. If there is an error that isn't discovered until after the game starts, and that error makes your team ineligible (eg. if it puts your team over the limit) the rider will simply be deleted from the team without replacement.

To make things easier for both you and me I will link to a file for you to download in which you can type in your team and it will automatically show you the value of each rider as well as the aggregated value of your team. Then you will just have to copy your team (names only) directly from this file and send it to me.

Hopefully this clears any misunderstandings of a rider’s value as well as reduces the number of errors made in a team sent to me.

3.2. When do I?

The first race of the season will start January 8, so I want to have your team in hand on January 6 at the latest.

There are two deadlines: a submission deadline and a revision/publication deadline, spaced 24 hours apart. This is to address the issue brought up in recent years about whether it is 'fair' to allow changes after teams have seen the teams of other players, and for 'late' submissions. I would like to make this a game that is accessible to as many people as possible, yet preserve that element of fairness. So, the submission deadline will be when I want to have received all the teams. The revision and publication deadline is to allow a 24-hour period for me to look over the teams and allow a chance to people to change their team in case of error, before having access to a list of riders that other teams picked. If you get mixed up with the time zone or unexpectedly don't have internet access around the submission deadline, I will accept teams up to the revision deadline at my discretion, but if allowed those teams will not have the chance to revise in case of error.

The submission deadline is 23:59 (CET) January 5th, so early January 6th for Aussies and sometime earlier on January 5th for North Americans. The revision and publication deadline is 24 hours later; I would ask that people refrain from posting the riders on their team until after that, so midnight CET on the start of January 7th.

Please note that even though it feels as though the season is over, it’s actually not. There are still a bit of racing to be done and CQ points to be handed out that could affect the value of a rider you have picked. It is always possible that an obscure rider may score points in a small race at the end of season, or that CQ will adjust points for an earlier season race for whatever reason (eg. readjusting points for suspended dopers) Be mindful of these changes.

cqranking.com usually uploads the final update of the season on December 31, and the values in this update are the ones we’re using. However, the changes are usually very small so there’s no reason why you can’t start selecting your team already today!

Disclaimer: ensuring your team is full of eligible riders and is on budget is your responsibility. If I notice you are over budget or have an ineligible rider I will send you a message, but if you don't get back to me in time, or I don't catch it before the deadline, I will simply remove one rider to make your budget work. Obviously it is to your advantage to be able to choose all your riders, so please be diligent.

Create Your Team


Hugo created a very helpful file in 2012, referred to above, that helps avoid any errors in calculation and helps ensure you are formatting your rider names correctly. I would encourage everyone to use this option, especially if you are not confident in your spreadsheet creating skills. Please use the file attached here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ickpnt0jo2y5ofi/Create%20Your%20Team%202020.xls?dl=0) to create your team, then copy and paste the rider names to send to me by PM once you have it correct. Thank you.

note: the 'create your team' file has not yet been manually updated to include different scores for dopers as per rule 2.1, so it is currently wholly your responsibility to account for this.


I think that about covers everything. If you have any questions or if I forgot to add or explain anything, please let me know.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on December 19, 2019, 20:58
This post is reserved to list submitted teams as they come in. If you have submitted a team recently and don't see it appear within 24 hours, please message me to see what is up. Teams on the list marked with an asterisk need a change, and I have messaged you with the details.

Here are the 69 teams I've received as of January 4th 5:00pm CST:

1   Armchair Cyclist
2   Martin
3   Nicosix
4   Total Package
5   Luthor
6   Koronin
7   LaFlorecita
8   Lortnoc
9   Jon_Ezeitza
10   Hakkie2
11   CQ Player 7373
12   mayomaniac
13   comodoro
14   bminchow
15   dimasotf
16   armchairclimber
17   hfgon1
18   Riverside
19   Salvarani
20   vladimir
21   Leadbelly
22   Joelsim
23   VeloRooms
24   Rakim
25   Object
26   EvansIsTheBest
27   christopher rowe
28   NorthAmericanScum
29   laarsland
30   Blues in the bottle
31   Crevaison
32   mineralJ
33   triley36
34   Tsyka
35   tobydawq
36   Wallenquist
37   TheArt
38   ChrisDK
39   scrooll07
40   LosBrolin
41   Kazistuta
42   Jpettersen
43   search
44   escartin
45   Muddy Waters
46   shalgo
47   Nathanptz
48   Poles & co.
49   Eric10
50   trackstand
51   Hugo Koblet
52   fauniera
53   flashke
54   yoyokt
55   Otoxiep87
56   tom-jelte
57   AlyKaptan
58   will10
59   repre
60   Mellow Velo
61   Northerner
62   Bonimenier
63   DJ Sprtsch
64   Geraint Too Fast
65   Marek
66   BlueRoads
67   zlev11
68   Popchu
69   AupaPyama



Also, here is the role of honour from previous years:

2011 – 87 participants
ingsve – 13897 points
Waterloo Sunrise – 13450
mc_mountain – 12670

2012 – 129 participants
skidmark – 19345 points
Kvinto – 18087
Nyssinator – 17761

2013 – 132 participants
SteelyDan – 13094 points
Geraint Too Fast – 13074
will10 – 12986

2014 – 150 participants
Pentacycle – 14367 points
Cykeltyven – 13693
Ruudz0r - 13609

2015 – 155 participants
Cykeltyven – 16209 points
skidmark - 15616
snccdcno - 15412

2016 – 144 participants
skidmark – 15392 points
jeroenk - 14707
abbulf – 14448

2017 – 131 participants
fauniera – 15867 points
the asian - 15698
GP Blanco - 15217

2018 – 129 participants
ruvu75 – 16513 points
Squire - 16099
trackstand - 15832

2019 - 114 participants

fauniera - 14579 points
karaev - 14399
Hakkie2 - 14260
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: just some guy on December 20, 2019, 19:25
10 year anniversary :win
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Flo on December 21, 2019, 13:18
Team Flo is in, playing on extra hard difficulty as I had to include my Kometa boys of course :D
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on December 22, 2019, 10:21
Right enough messing about with my team. :D

WT - 12 riders
PCT - 12 riders
CT - 9 riders

That's roughly the same as last year. Belgium the most represented nation again with Italy just behind.

Slightly more cryptically my team contains the following diacritical marks:

umlaut x 2
tilde x 1
acute x 1
circumflex x 1
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on December 22, 2019, 12:23
My team is in.

Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on December 30, 2019, 18:57
It's rather unlikely it will make a difference at the end of the year, but there will be a 2.2 race that kicks off the 2020 CQ season before the 6th Jan deadline - Cambodia Bay Cycling Tour.

Pick a Sapura or Terengganu rider and you might get a "headstart" on everybody.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 03, 2020, 21:31
I think I’ve got this one in the bag.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: rote_laterne on January 05, 2020, 13:11
I wasn't sure I could compose a team this year but I did. Haven't had the time to follow cycling this much in the last month. Looking forward to following the race results again and starting to work on my youth team tonight. I couldn't even start at my emerging riders team :S
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Flo on January 05, 2020, 17:36
*it 8
*fr 7
*nl 4
*es 3
*au 2
*dk 2
*de 2
*ch 2
*be 1
*lu 1
*pl 1

500+: 3
250-500: 8
100-250: 13
0-100: 9

Average age 25.5

Most represented team #sunweb
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 05, 2020, 17:48
The breakdown of my team.

33 riders of various nationalities, points and abilities.

<7,500: 33

Average age 20>30
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on January 06, 2020, 06:48
Hey all! A couple of things:

- first, submission deadline is up but publication deadline is in 16.5 hours from when I write this... in case you just realized with dread that you forgot to submit a team, I reserve the right to accept teams right up until the deadline, seeing as no one will have seen published teams (except that one upthread I guess). So go right ahead. I will also accept last minute changes.

- the time of the submission deadline will be tricky for me, as I'll be in transit (it's 5pm my time in Canada, and I'll be travelling well into the evening). So, I may not confirm changes until the following morning (my time), but if you've sent me something with the proper time stamp it will be accepted.

- that also means I won't be able to preside over the reveal, and won't be able to get the final spreadsheet out to peruse teams/popularity/etc until the following day. Sorry, just bad timing this year. Should be out by evening CET on the 7th.

- I received over 30 teams today so I didn't update the OP with the list because it was hard enough to keep up; basically, I sent everyone a confirmation message so you should have that on PM.

- we are roughly on par with last year in terms of participating teams, maybe a few less. Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: LukasCPH on January 06, 2020, 16:26
Due to never remembering to pick riders before Christmas and being on holiday between Christmas and today, I had resigned myself to not entering this year. But skidmark's respite opened a window for me, and I threw together a team anyway:

*dk 6
*fr 4
*it 3
*us 3
*be 2
*ch 2
*co 2
*gb 2
*nl 2
*au 1
*de 1
*lt 1
*lv 1
*no 1
*si 1
*sr 1

#worldtour 22
#proconti 11
Zero Conti or lower this year. It's the pros who win most points!

Points Riders
1000+ 0
750-999 1
500-749 5
350-499 1
250-349 5
150-249 4
75-149 6
1-74 10
0 1
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 06, 2020, 17:11
Better late than never Mr K.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: LukasCPH on January 06, 2020, 18:34
Better late than never Mr K.
And because I had no time to think much about it but basically chucked in whoever I came across first, I have no expectations whatsoever of doing well. :D
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Archieboy on January 06, 2020, 19:40
I think I’ve got this one in the bag.

That's what's called 2020 vision
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 06, 2020, 19:47
That's what's called 2020 vision

Just going by previous years Archie. Eternal winner.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 06, 2020, 19:48
And because I had no time to think much about it but basically chucked in whoever I came across first, I have no expectations whatsoever of doing well. :D

Nothing like getting your excuses in early Fus.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on January 06, 2020, 20:28
Zero Conti or lower this year. It's the pros who win most points!

I dunno.

Armchair had go here (https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/the-2019-cq-ranking-manager-thread.34373/page-59#post-2409055) at picking the best possible 2019 team. I count six riders CT (that's including Geniets who made the jump to WT mid-season). There's definitely gold to be found at the lower levels, as long as you don't spend too much on it.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: LukasCPH on January 06, 2020, 20:35
I dunno.

Armchair had go here (https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/the-2019-cq-ranking-manager-thread.34373/page-59#post-2409055) at picking the best possible 2019 team. I count six riders CT (that's including Geniets who made the jump to WT mid-season). There's definitely gold to be found at the lower levels, as long as you don't spend too much on it.
That may be true - but for that, you'd have to spend time prospecting, so to say. ;)
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 06, 2020, 23:40
It's rather unlikely it will make a difference at the end of the year, but there will be a 2.2 race that kicks off the 2020 CQ season before the 6th Jan deadline - Cambodia Bay Cycling Tour.

Pick a Sapura or Terengganu rider and you might get a "headstart" on everybody.

The race is over, and there are 7 riders already in profit, if anyone picked them
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on January 07, 2020, 05:39
Team Crash Bang Wallop:

SCHACHMANN Maximilian
EVENEPOEL Remco
PINOT Thibaut
MARTIN Daniel
PICCOLI James
ARANBURU DEBA Alexander
LATOUR Pierre
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
VAN POPPEL Danny
CHERKASOV Nicolay
GABBURO Davide
BALLERINI Davide
SCHELLING Patrick
MOLENAAR Alex
HERMANS Quinten
VAKOC Petr
TUREK Daniel
BASSETT Stephen
MODOLO Sacha
CAÑAVERAL VARGAS Jonathan
VERVAEKE Louis
SLEEN Torjus
ÄRM Rait
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
BAUGNIES Jérôme
TOUPALIK Adam
KOOISTRA Marten
EINHORN Itmar
HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob
DE BIE Sean
BANASZEK Alan
MILES Carson
FANCELLU Alessandro

Going by the teams posted on CN so far, it looks like my most popular picks will be Pinot, Latour, Soler, Hermans, Modolo and De Bie.

Some musings on the riders later on.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 07, 2020, 09:10
Team Velociraptor

SAGAN Peter
EVENEPOEL Remco
PINOT Thibaut
YATES Simon
HIRSCHI Marc
MOSCON Gianni
LATOUR Pierre
DUMOULIN Tom
ROOSEN Timo
OOMEN Sam
RESTREPO VALENCIA Jhonatan
VAKOC Petr
FOSS Tobias Svendsen
GROVES Kaden
VAN WILDER Ilan
BAGIOLI Andrea
FERNANDEZ ANDUJAR Ruben
FROOME Chris
RIES Michel
POWER Robert
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
JERMAN Ziga
KIRYIENKA Vasil
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
CAVENDISH Mark
COVI Alessandro
KANTER Max
DE BIE Sean
ARENSMAN Thymen
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
SIMMONS Quinn


Strange that I left Hermans out as I've picked him in pretty much every fantasy game I've done this year. Duh.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: search on January 07, 2020, 09:35
My team, more words later on maybe:

SCHACHMANN Maximilian
YATES Simon
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
MERLIER Tim
MOHORIC Matej
LATOUR Pierre
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
DUMOULIN Tom
ROOSEN Timo
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
CORT NIELSEN Magnus
CANOLA Marco
KREUZIGER Roman
ARU Fabio
OOMEN Sam
HERMANS Quinten
MOSCHETTI Matteo
VAKOC Petr
WÜRTZ SCHMIDT Mads
HAAS Nathan
BATTAGLIN Enrico
LOBATO DEL VALLE Juan Jose
CELANO Danilo
THWAITES Scott
FROOME Chris
GENIEZ Alexandre
MODOLO Sacha
BUSATO Matteo
TOUPALIK Adam
VICHOT Arthur
KANTER Max
BANASZEK Alan
DE BIE Sean

a bit of a #alpecin overdose
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: rote_laterne on January 07, 2020, 13:25
When working on my youth an emerging riders teams I think I found some good picks but was too lazy to change my main game team except subbing in Sean De Bie for Dibben. I mainly filled my team up with cheap neo-pros I don't know nothing about, especially the Colombian ones.

After reading the revealed teams so far I like my team (we are not talking winning here as Joelsim's got this in the bag). Seems like I missed no obvious pick except for probably Ballerini. Others like Bardet, Pinot, Kwiatkowski, Cavendish, Froome or Bouhanni I did not include in my team for one reason or another. I like Bardets season but opted for Gaviria who I hope will show his true potential when paired with Richeze again. Kwiatkowski I like and he will have a better season but I dislike the team he rides for and I'm not sure he will get his chances at the smaller tours with all the new prospects wanting to have their chances too.

GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando   731
YATES Simon   668  when staying healthy he should double his points.
PEDERSEN Mads   583 risky pick but I had him last year and I'm betting on Trek riding a better spring campaign as a whole
MADOUAS Valentin   540 risky pick but confirmed his neo pro season and should get more chances than Gaudu.
MOSCON Gianni   424 potential to triple his score as there are no classic riders left at INEOS.
HIRT Jan   355 risky but I think he gets his chances this year going for GC and stages.
LATOUR Pierre   352 potential to double his points before starting the tour.
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   350 should get his chances at Movistar now.
DUMOULIN Tom   341
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   322 hope he's improving even more.
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh   268 should at least double his scores.
DURBRIDGE Luke   229 hoping for a good spring campaign without health issues.
CORT NIELSEN Magnus   227 I like this guy and hope he shows his true potential at his new team.
O'CONNOR Ben   221 don't really know but he showed talent two seasons ago.
SAJNOK Szymon   221 should be CCC no 1 sprinter now
PADUN Mark   209 missed half a season, has potential and should get his chances.
GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul   207 had him in my youth team years ago.
ARU Fabio   194 everyone has him and there's a albeit slim chance he has a good season
LEKNESSUND Andreas   186 hope he dominates the U23 scene this year
OOMEN Sam   179 massive talent
KÄMNA Lennard   155 massive talent
CAICEDO CEPEDA Jonathan Klever   144 no idea
DILLIER Silvan   101 has potential for another 400+ season
BAGIOLI Andrea   83 massive talent at DQS should translate in lot of points
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   52 maybe the best of my Colobian lot?
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   44
HÄNNINEN Jaakko   41 hoping for top tens in french 1.1 races
JOHANSEN Julius   38 impressed me two season ago
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego   20
KANTER Max   8 should get his chances when staying healthy
De Bie Sean   5 PCT should mean lots of points, the talent is there
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   0 zero pointer
SIMMONS Quinn   0
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 07, 2020, 13:32
I appear to be the only person without Aru, so that probably means he’ll have an excellent season, a Phoenix from the flames.

Also, Leknessund is riding PCT this year at Uno-X, rather than U23.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: LukasCPH on January 07, 2020, 16:19
Also, Leknessund is riding PCT this year at Uno-X, rather than U23.
He'll probably still do a fair share of U23 races, either with #unox or the Norwegian national team.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on January 07, 2020, 18:58
a bit of a #alpecin overdose

They did recruit pretty smartly. Somewhat reminiscent of ICA's transfers from 18/19 in that most of them were very cheap from a CQ standpoint and that turned out okay in the main last year.

Merlier was in my team too for a long while, but was culled towards the end.

SAJNOK Szymon   221 should be CCC no 1 sprinter now

Trentin says hi. :P

Saying that he still should do okay. I don't rate Mareczko myself at all, though he has had some operation over the winter on his septum, maybe that will be the new "iliac op" people have when they have a poor season.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 07, 2020, 19:06
They did recruit pretty smartly. Somewhat reminiscent of ICA's transfers from 18/19 in that most of them were very cheap from a CQ standpoint and that turned out okay in the main last year.

Merlier was in my team too for a long while, but was culled towards the end.

Trentin says hi. :P

Saying that he still should do okay. I don't rate Mareczko myself at all, though he has had some operation over the winter on his septum, maybe that will be the new "iliac op" people have when they have a poor season.

I’m pretty sure it isn’t  Marezcko’s septum thats responsible for his pathetically poor positioning on every final bend. Almost as if he doesn’t want to get involved in a sprint anymore.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on January 07, 2020, 20:00
Okay, here goes:



the full spreadsheet!!! (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3em3v593q7z3620/CQ%202020%20final.xlsx?dl=0)



Includes: 113 teams, popularity sheet, rider popularity table, team popularity table.



Note that on the popularity sheets I just entered names with numbers as names, so 'ruvu' instead of 'ruvu75' or 'Eric' instead of 'Eric10' - in copying popularity this is the time consuming part because dragging the name goes up in number, so just to get this done expediently I didn't manually do that copying (I've got a broken wrist atm too which hampers my computering).



Does not yet include: I haven't updated the 'update' sheets or gotten rid of team pages from previous entrants, so there are some blank pages but the pages linked to on the rankings tab should be all the participants. I'll clean that all up before the season gets too far along.



If I missed any teams (ie you submitted them and don't see them here) or if you thought you got changes in under the wire that aren't reflected, let me know and I can go back through my PM's to check the timestamp. I caught myself on one occasion making changes to a team but the link on the first page went to another team's page (all of which I've since corrected), so I almost copied over another team incorrectly. So I acknowledge these mistakes may still be out there.



Okay, have fun with it!
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: rote_laterne on January 07, 2020, 20:02
Trentin says hi. :P

 :S How could I forget about him?
Should have gone with Dainese or Groves then.
I'm pretty sure that's not my only mistake though.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: search on January 08, 2020, 08:49
a couple of words about my team (ignoring those fairly "obvious" ones, picked 50+ times)

SCHACHMANN Maximilian (1087, 2)
He basically missed half of the season last year, and will win the Ardennes triple + the Olympics.

MERLIER Tim (523, 5)
Same here, just joined Corendon in June and still scored >500 points. Personally I'd say he's is better than guys like van Asbroeck or Planckaert who had 1000+ seasons with a more or less similar calendar.

MOHORIC Matej (512, 14)
Mohoric is always fun to follow, and I'd say especially in the classics there's more to expect from him this year.

ROOSEN Timo (272, 5)
In 2019 Roosen basically missed all his best races due to injury.

ANDERSEN Søren Kragh (268, 43)
Same here, after a good start to the season he had problems in the Tour and fell sick in Eneco (which was supposed to be his highlight of the year). A solid ~500pt should be possible again

CORT NIELSEN Magnus (227, 38)
Cort was actually one of my first picks, but then also one of the first to be scrapped again, as his sprinting speed basically has disappeared and as there are too many similar riders at Ef. Now he is back on, for a reason I don't really know :dizzy

CANOLA Marco (205, 7)
I wanted to have at least one of the new Gazprom recruitments, and I think (if he can motivate himself) from Chernetskiy, Strakhov and him, Canola just has the most potential.

KREUZIGER Roman (204, 6)
Not the rider he once was anymore, but Kreuziger is still strong in the classics (crashed in Fleche this year, so no points in the Ardennes from 2019) and also the Olympics should suit him.

HERMANS Quinten (162, 10)
I really couldn't miss a rider who started his (very limited) program on the road with 3 wins in 3 days in 2019.

MOSCHETTI Matteo (160, 24)
He really surprised me with some very strong showing, and probably would have scored way more without the injury in the 2nd half of the season. The fact that Degenkolb is gone now, shouldn't hurt either.

VAKOC Petr (145, 20)
Vakoc's results in Poland and so on looked promising enough for me to believe, that he will be back at his best again this season.

WÜRTZ SCHMIDT Mads (137, 4)
Würtz has never really delivered in the WT so far, but he really made a step up last year and looked great at times in the Tour and the races afterwards. Not sure about his role at ICA, but he said he'd get his chances to go for success himself.

HAAS Nathan (118, 40)
He'll probably be frustrating to follow for most of the season, but I'd be surprised not to see him in profit by the end of January.

BATTAGLIN Enrico (112, 6)
Bahrain is not really the team I was hoping him to join, but as long as Colbrelli doesn't decide to do the Giro in 2020, he should get his opportunities.

LOBATO DEL VALLE Juan Jose (106, 4)
It can't get any worse, I guess. He should get all backing he needs back home at #euskadi , and on paper, most of those early races in Spain should be pretty good for him.

CELANO Danilo (102, 3)
:cheer

THWAITES Scott (79, 4)
Van der Poel can't do every race, I guess. Give Thwaites a muddy, cobbled semi-classic at freezing temperatures, and he'll win it.

GENIEZ Alexandre (68, 42)
I don't really know much about his problems in 2019, but if he only needs to get somewhat close to his normal level again to end up with a good profit.

BUSATO Matteo (58, 1)
Busato had some good seasons at #fluo before, Vini Zabu should be bad enough for him to get the leader's role plenty of times, and the team's usual interest in the Coppa Italia (with guys also sprinting for 5th) shouldn't hurt either.

TOUPALIK Adam (34, 3)
First full season on the road for Toupalik. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a handful of wins

BANASZEK Alan (5, 5)
Same here. Back home in Poland young Alan should deliver strong results in the sprints - and if some Polish 2.1 races turn out to be flat enough for the sprinters to feature in GC, even better.


Popular picks I missed:

SIMMONS Quinn (0, 76)
CAVENDISH Mark (25, 70)
PINOT Thibaut (861, 60)
MOSCON Gianni (424, 57)
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo (44, 57)
BARDET Romain (734, 54)
BOUHANNI Nacer (276, 52)

apart from Pinot, I never really considered any of those, tbh.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on January 08, 2020, 10:49
Thirteen uniques, but that's not good enough to be bottom of the popularity table again.  :(

To be fair the two teams below do only have 25 riders which kinda helps keeping the score down, and one of them will be over budget when the spelling mistake is spotted.

Ignoring those picked by ten or more teams, here are the rest of the team.

BANASZEK Alan (5)

Same reasons as search. :P

MARTIN Daniel (4)

At one point I only had one I-SUN rider on the team and it was Cousin Dan. I can't see him scoring massively, but maybe he can get all of his cost back with a little bit of profit.

ARANBURU DEBA Alexander (3)

Not so sure about this pick on reflection. Was probably too swayed by his Vuelta stage 2 performance, but we'll see.

MOLENAAR Alex (3)

Winner of the Turul Romaniei! Need I say anymore? Well okay, in a team of such low quality as Burgos he should get free-rein almost immediately to ride for himself.

VERVAEKE Louis (3)

It's unlikely he'll ever get back to the form of his Lotto U23 days, but he's better than the results and scores from his previous years.

BAUGNIES Jérôme (3)

He was almost going to be my Continental Dominator selection, but I decided to keep him for myself. Canyon had a good season last year in Europe and that (+ Baugnies himself) might open the door to a few more race invitations.

TOUPALIK Adam (3)

Same as search. :P

SCHACHMANN Maximilian (2)

Not convinced his scoring will be enhanced massively by riding both the Giro and Vuelta. I would have preferred to see him focusing on week long stage races in addition to the obvious one day events. Still with him being nearly unique it might help the chances of some of us getting mentioned in the weekly updates.

PICCOLI James (2)

399 is too much for his first year at WT. We can but hope for a Woods-esque transformation.

CHERKASOV Nicolay (1)

Nobody else took this gamble then. Once the team knew Vlasov was going to be off, Nicolay got a lot more freedom in the second half of the season and it showed in his points haul. I don't see why he can't better Vlasov's 645 from 2019.

GABBURO Davide (1)

This was my pick for the next Savio rider to step up to the mark. Probably closer in profile to Vendrame than Masnada or Cattaneo. Should do okay in the Italian and French calendar.

SCHELLING Patrick (1)

Probably not going to be too exciting a selection. Needs to accumulate points in the smaller races (ie San Juan) when Hermans and Martin aren't around.

TUREK Daniel (1)

Should be fun to follow Dan when he gets his freedom with the devo team in various .2 races.

BASSETT Stephen (1)

Nearly won the US Nats. Punchy and aggressive. I'm hoping he can show something on the European calendar for Rally.

CAÑAVERAL VARGAS Jonathan (1)

Got high hopes here. Already has some experience of riding in Europe which is always good. Signed for Giotti Victoria which should see him ride all three Romanian 2.1 races (a rich source of points), Japan, some of the bigger Italian stage races and maybe even Langkawi?

SLEEN Torjus (1)

Was dragging Foss and Leknessund around last year to lots of wins. Foss has left now though and with Sleen ageing out of the U23 bracket, he might not have the same calendar as Leknessund any more. I hope so anyway as he has some talent in his own right.

ÄRM Rait (1)

Vahtra scored big for Tartu last year when they were just a club. Now that they've moved up to CT they should have a better calendar for the next sprint talent in line.

KOOISTRA Marten (1)

He didn't do enough to earn a pro-contract in his final year at SEG, but going to BEAT is a good move. A Budding/Havik-eque year would be nice.

EINHORN Itmar (1)

I think we could see the first (?) male Israeli UCI win outside Israel this year. If Einhorn (or Niv) drops down the devo team for the right .2 race they have it in them to get that important victory.

HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob (1)

Me and Scandis don't usually get along in in CQ, but here's another one. Good climber. I was reading that he beat some record of Gregaard's on a climb (of course I can't find the article now).

MILES Carson (1)

Ex-Floyds. Can TT and climb a bit, but still very young. More for interest in the devo team when Turek is off with the main team.

FANCELLU Alessandro (1)

Oi Flo! I thought you said you were handicapping yourself with all your Kometa boys. All I see are ex-Kometa riders on your team. Never mind, I'll represent the current Kometa in 2020 since your faith is lacking ( :P). In all seriousness though he should be one of their main men (after Dina) and should score okay.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: search on January 08, 2020, 11:19
some guys I really wanted but couldn't fit in - so you can expect them to have a massive turnaround :P

KÄMNA Lennard (155, 46)
He looked so strong in the Tour, that it's hard to not see him having his breakthrough this year - but how much freedom will he have in a new team with at least Buchmann, Schachmann, Majka, Konrad and Großschartner with GC ambitions?

KANKOVSKY Alois (122, 0)
6 wins early on in 2019 before breaking his leg in June. He could potentially double that and also the Czech Nationals are fairly flat this year, but no idea how he'll recover from that injury at the age of 36, and it's not like he will score 500 points anyway.

KIRSCH Alex (85, 1)
Always fun to follow, and in his 2nd year at Trek (and with Degenkolb and Felline leaving) he should get more opportunities himself now.

FILOSI Iuri (39, 0)
Back in Italy to lead Bardiani after two sh*t years at Delko. He has the talent to equal his 2017 score (271) I guess, but in the end I was too worried about him being in the mix all the time, but not quite quick enough to really score big.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 08, 2020, 15:44
some guys I really wanted but couldn't fit in - so you can expect them to have a massive turnaround :P

KÄMNA Lennard (155, 46)
He looked so strong in the Tour, that it's hard to not see him having his breakthrough this year - but how much freedom will he have in a new team with at least Buchmann, Schachmann, Majka, Konrad and Großschartner with GC ambitions?

KANKOVSKY Alois (122, 0)
6 wins early on in 2019 before breaking his leg in June. He could potentially double that and also the Czech Nationals are fairly flat this year, but no idea how he'll recover from that injury at the age of 36, and it's not like he will score 500 points anyway.

KIRSCH Alex (85, 1)
Always fun to follow, and in his 2nd year at Trek (and with Degenkolb and Felline leaving) he should get more opportunities himself now.

FILOSI Iuri (39, 0)
Back in Italy to lead Bardiani after two sh*t years at Delko. He has the talent to equal his 2017 score (271) I guess, but in the end I was too worried about him being in the mix all the time, but not quite quick enough to really score big.

KÄMNA looked very strong at times last year, so much so that I put him down on my riders to watch list.

And of course Alex would've been the cherry on the cake.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 08, 2020, 16:04
OK, my rationale for the team that has it in the bag.

SAGAN Peter

Surely he will have a better year than last year and can reach at least 2,000 points. Potential for many more especially given he's doing two GTs - that was the decider.

EVENEPOEL Remco

Well, a phenomenon, and one who will get to choose his calendar. Already in for the Olympics.

PINOT Thibaut

Would've been hugely better without injuring himself at the Tour, really impressed me last year, perhaps the altitude training that he didn't believe in before. Plus he's very likeable.

YATES Simon


A huge year in 2018 showed his limits. On his day as good as anyone.

HIRSCHI Marc

IMO a massive talent, expect to see him on more podiums this year.

MOSCON Gianni


Talent to burn, albeit an unpleasant individual. Showed signs last year, but INEOS don't really have anyone else for the classics except Flower.

LATOUR Pierre

Injury permitting.

DUMOULIN Tom

Obvious

ROOSEN Timo

Will do better than last year, although will have to fight with Teunissen, Wout and others for leadership.

OOMEN Sam

Injury permitting.

RESTREPO VALENCIA Jhonatan

Androni, should be leader.

VAKOC Petr

Injury permitting.

FOSS Tobias Svendsen
GROVES Kaden
VAN WILDER Ilan
BAGIOLI Andrea
RIES Michel
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
JERMAN Ziga
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
COVI Alessandro
ARENSMAN Thymen
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
SIMMONS Quinn


Exciting kids. Always far more interesting to follow a few youngsters as the payback is bigger if they get an unexpected result. Could've put Remco in here too but he's a bit different.


FERNANDEZ ANDUJAR Ruben

Should be leader at Euskadi.

FROOME Chris

Who's this bloke?

POWER Robert

Bags of talent, was told when he signed that the first year he'd be a dom, clearly the second year should be different with the lack of other climbers except babies.

KIRYIENKA Vasil

Picked for ITT, olympics

CAVENDISH Mark

Probably a waste of 25 points

KANTER Max

Has plenty of talent, unlucky last year.

DE BIE Sean

No brainer.

I missed Modolo and a couple of others but hey, am I bovvered?  :shh
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 08, 2020, 16:32
Thirteen uniques, but that's not good enough to be bottom of the popularity table again.  :(

To be fair the two teams below do only have 25 riders which kinda helps keeping the score down, and one of them will be over budget when the spelling mistake is spotted.

Ignoring those picked by ten or more teams, here are the rest of the team.

BANASZEK Alan (5)

Same reasons as search. :P

MARTIN Daniel (4)

At one point I only had one I-SUN rider on the team and it was Cousin Dan. I can't see him scoring massively, but maybe he can get all of his cost back with a little bit of profit.

ARANBURU DEBA Alexander (3)

Not so sure about this pick on reflection. Was probably too swayed by his Vuelta stage 2 performance, but we'll see.

MOLENAAR Alex (3)

Winner of the Turul Romaniei! Need I say anymore? Well okay, in a team of such low quality as Burgos he should get free-rein almost immediately to ride for himself.

VERVAEKE Louis (3)

It's unlikely he'll ever get back to the form of his Lotto U23 days, but he's better than the results and scores from his previous years.

BAUGNIES Jérôme (3)

He was almost going to be my Continental Dominator selection, but I decided to keep him for myself. Canyon had a good season last year in Europe and that (+ Baugnies himself) might open the door to a few more race invitations.

TOUPALIK Adam (3)

Same as search. :P

SCHACHMANN Maximilian (2)

Not convinced his scoring will be enhanced massively by riding both the Giro and Vuelta. I would have preferred to see him focusing on week long stage races in addition to the obvious one day events. Still with him being nearly unique it might help the chances of some of us getting mentioned in the weekly updates.

PICCOLI James (2)

399 is too much for his first year at WT. We can but hope for a Woods-esque transformation.

CHERKASOV Nicolay (1)

Nobody else took this gamble then. Once the team knew Vlasov was going to be off, Nicolay got a lot more freedom in the second half of the season and it showed in his points haul. I don't see why he can't better Vlasov's 645 from 2019.

GABBURO Davide (1)

This was my pick for the next Savio rider to step up to the mark. Probably closer in profile to Vendrame than Masnada or Cattaneo. Should do okay in the Italian and French calendar.

SCHELLING Patrick (1)

Probably not going to be too exciting a selection. Needs to accumulate points in the smaller races (ie San Juan) when Hermans and Martin aren't around.

TUREK Daniel (1)

Should be fun to follow Dan when he gets his freedom with the devo team in various .2 races.

BASSETT Stephen (1)

Nearly won the US Nats. Punchy and aggressive. I'm hoping he can show something on the European calendar for Rally.

CAÑAVERAL VARGAS Jonathan (1)

Got high hopes here. Already has some experience of riding in Europe which is always good. Signed for Giotti Victoria which should see him ride all three Romanian 2.1 races (a rich source of points), Japan, some of the bigger Italian stage races and maybe even Langkawi?

SLEEN Torjus (1)

Was dragging Foss and Leknessund around last year to lots of wins. Foss has left now though and with Sleen ageing out of the U23 bracket, he might not have the same calendar as Leknessund any more. I hope so anyway as he has some talent in his own right.

ÄRM Rait (1)

Vahtra scored big for Tartu last year when they were just a club. Now that they've moved up to CT they should have a better calendar for the next sprint talent in line.

KOOISTRA Marten (1)

He didn't do enough to earn a pro-contract in his final year at SEG, but going to BEAT is a good move. A Budding/Havik-eque year would be nice.

EINHORN Itmar (1)

I think we could see the first (?) male Israeli UCI win outside Israel this year. If Einhorn (or Niv) drops down the devo team for the right .2 race they have it in them to get that important victory.

HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob (1)

Me and Scandis don't usually get along in in CQ, but here's another one. Good climber. I was reading that he beat some record of Gregaard's on a climb (of course I can't find the article now).

MILES Carson (1)

Ex-Floyds. Can TT and climb a bit, but still very young. More for interest in the devo team when Turek is off with the main team.

FANCELLU Alessandro (1)

Oi Flo! I thought you said you were handicapping yourself with all your Kometa boys. All I see are ex-Kometa riders on your team. Never mind, I'll represent the current Kometa in 2020 since your faith is lacking ( :P). In all seriousness though he should be one of their main men (after Dina) and should score okay.


There's some proper sh*te (unknowns) or is it unknowns (sh*te) in there LB. Cherkasov and Molenaar look like good picks though.   :lol
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on January 08, 2020, 16:53
Time will tell if they're gold or iron pyrite, but it should be fun following them, which is the main thing.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Joelsim on January 08, 2020, 16:57
Time will tell if they're gold or iron pyrite, but it should be fun following them, which is the main thing.

I'm curious about Molenaar as he referred to himself as the new Sagan in an interview. May have been tongue-in-cheek, but he doesn't appear to lack confidence.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Flo on January 08, 2020, 17:09


FANCELLU Alessandro (1)

Oi Flo! I thought you said you were handicapping yourself with all your Kometa boys. All I see are ex-Kometa riders on your team. Never mind, I'll represent the current Kometa in 2020 since your faith is lacking ( :P). In all seriousness though he should be one of their main men (after Dina) and should score okay.

Haha, yeah I meant former Kometa boys :P Those 5 boys (Moschetti, Oldani, Lopez, Ries and Inkelaar) are all good friends still. Let's call them the 5 musketeers :P

Fancellu is an interesting pick, Kometa's 2020 roster doesn't look as stacked so he should have a lot of freedom. Dina is of course the main man, but who knows, he might be on Androni for the Giro if the rumors are to be believed. Watch out for Garcia though, he is really punchy, but suffered with illness last year. Ropero is also pretty allround, although not as good a climber as Oldani was.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 08, 2020, 17:35
Thirteen uniques, but that's not good enough to be bottom of the popularity table again.  :(

To be fair the two teams below do only have 25 riders which kinda helps keeping the score down, and one of them will be over budget when the spelling mistake is spotted.
MUNOZ for MUÑOZ?  Spotted and reported (with 4 other typos) to Skidmark last night.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Flo on January 08, 2020, 18:00
Here is my team:

PINOT Thibaut   861
BARDET Romain   734
KWIATKOWSKI Michal   645
GARCIA CORTINA Ivan   453
LATOUR Pierre   352
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   350
DUMOULIN Tom   341
VAN POPPEL Danny   334
BOUHANNI Nacer   276
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh   268
BALLERINI Davide   252
CORT NIELSEN Magnus   227
BARBIER Pierre   213
CANOLA Marco   205
DAINESE Alberto   201
FELLINE Fabio   199
ARU Fabio   194
OOMEN Sam   179
MOSCHETTI Matteo   160
KÄMNA Lennard   155
LONARDI Giovanni   138
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro   125
HAAS Nathan   118
DILLIER Silvan   101
OLDANI Stefano   90
BAGIOLI Andrea   83
RIES Michel   58
POWER Robert   56
MÄDER Gino   50
INKELAAR Kevin   36
VICHOT Arthur   28
KANTER Max   8
DE BIE Sean   5


I really wanted Mohoric on my team, and he was on it for a long time. Unfortunately in the end I had to sacrifice him to fit in Bardet. I don't really rate Bardet that highly but I can't deny his skill as a bike rider, and after I learned of his schedule I had to get him on my team. To make room for him I also had to get rid of De la Cruz, but that gave me space for Inkelaar.
No unique picks, but I'll elaborate on the rarer picks

GARCIA CORTINA Ivan - 453 points - 10 picks
I had him last year, so I followed his performance in the classics very closely. I think with a bit more experience he can be excellent in those races and he has the speed to get top results. I think this could be his breakout year so I am happy to see he isn't that popular.

VAN POPPEL Danny - 334 points - 22 picks
I would have expected him on more teams - yes, he is a bit expensive but he has shown he can at least double his 2019 score previously, and on Wanty he should be the top sprinter and have a lot of opportunities and an excellent race programme.

BALLERINI Davide - 252 points - 22 picks
I actually wanted him on my team last year, but then he got brutally expensive in the last few weeks of his season. While he won't race much of the Italian one day race calendar, he is on the best possible team to excel in the spring classics. He already showed some promise in 2019, and I only expect him to get better. He's also very fast which is always an advantage and will boost his score in one day races.

BARBIER Pierre - 213 points - 2 picks
Almost unique - I didn't expect him to be so rare. I needed a sprinter for the French calendar and as he's really young and already super fast, I see a lot of potential. Hopefully he will get opportunities and won't be wasted as a leadout for Grosu or Jules.

CANOLA Marco - 205 points - 7 picks
One of my toughest picks. I don't know why he scored so poorly which made me hesitate to pick him. However just looking at his potential, based on 2017/2018, he should be able to at least double his score.

FELLINE Fabio - 199 points - 17 picks
Basically one of the most allround riders in the peloton, if he's feeling good he can deliver everywhere except maybe the highest mountains. This is the third year in a row he's on my team (yes, I also picked him when he was 700 points), I am not sure he can get back to his best level. The viral infection seems to have hit him hard. However, if he can shine on any team it should be Astana.

MOSCHETTI Matteo - 160 points - 24 picks
I picked him last year for pretty much the same price, and with a year of experience on WT level I see no reason to have less faith in him. He actually delivered some great results, but was also unlucky with some crashes and injuries. Hopefully he has better luck this season.

LONARDI Giovanni - 138 points - 2 picks
As always I wanted a sprinter for the Italian and Asian scene, and Lonardi fits in perfectly. He's young, fast, and bound to ride quite a few races in Asia. He should get plenty of opportunities to score.

LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro - 125 points - 5 picks
OLDANI Stefano   - 90 points - 2 picks
RIES Michel - 58 points - 5 picks
INKELAAR Kevin   - 36 points - 9 picks
All these are on my team for the same reason: they are all former Kometa riders (of course Moschetti is one too), which makes it interesting for me to follow and cheer for them. Lopez and Oldani I would normally consider a bit too expensive for neo pro climbers, but we will see what they can deliver.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: rote_laterne on January 09, 2020, 21:46
Rare pick Durbridge started the season like last year.  :party Hope the game ends better for me.  :party :party :party
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on January 14, 2020, 15:37
Update #1: the asian gets top points from Australia



Well, the teams are in, the Aussie nats are done, and the first week's results are in for some CQ catnip for 113 players who entered the week tied for first. The future is bright for everyone's team right now, but a few teams get the edge in our first tangible results of 2020.



Top 10 on the Week and Overall




Rank   Team   Points
1   the asian   137
2   will10   112
3   dimasotf   107
4   Mayomaniac   90
4   rote_laterne   90
6   Falze   82
7   greenedge   65
7   Marek   65
9   Eric10   60


There are 20 teams tied for 10th at 59 points.



Since no one in the game had the finally-national-champ Cam Meyer and his 100 points, scores were kept relatively low in this initial week. The 3 teams that picked Luke Durbridge got his 90 points, but only one of them added points from another rider (the teams tied for 4th are the other two). the asian had Durbo's 90 point springboard to combine with 47 points from the considerably more popular Nathan Haas (40 teams) to get to the winning total of 137. will10 gets 30 points from Rohan Dennis (3 teams) and 35 from Jay McCarthy (8 teams) to combine with Haas to nab 2nd at 112 points, while dimasotf has 60 from Lucas Hamilton (2 teams) to combine with Haas and gets 107 points.



Obviously no high movers this week as everyone started tied for first; I'll be counting green jersey points this week but the update/weekly/green jersey tabs are still a construction site (I need to update with this year's teams but haven't had time yet, basically). Those will be online for next week; in the meantime, the individual team tabs have been trimmed down to those participating this year, thanks to those who've pointed out spelling errors etc so far, keep them coming if you notice them!



spreadsheet at dropbox (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ize9af5sds1yegi/CQ%202020%20Update%201.xlsx?dl=0)
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on January 21, 2020, 16:14
Update #2: It's a 2.2 Kinda Week



Quite often the week after the CQ game opens, there's a bit of a lull before the TDU sees the World Tour level teams hit the pavement, and the game has a bit of a quiet week. No exception this time, with a few picks riding the 2.2 Vuelta al Tachira or New Zealand Cycling Classic. CQ included the points from the first stage of Tropicale Amissa Bongo (which is strange since the update is dated January 19th but the stage was on the 20th), and that ended up determining the winner of the week. Well, CQ defines our weeks around these parts, so that's how it goes.



This Week's Top Scorers




Rank   Team   Points this week
1   Fivezzz   37
2   adamski101   32
3   Blues in the bottle   27
3   Jakob747   27
3   triley36   27


Elia's little brother was picked by 8 teams, and winning the opening stage in Gabon got Attilio Viviani 20 points for the win and 6 for the leader's jersey. Newcomer Fivezzz supplements that with 10 points from Luca Pacioni (4 teams) in Tachira and a single point from Jefferson Cepeda in the same race. That's enough for the weekly win! adamski101 nabs second with a similar combo, swapping out Pacioni for young Eritrean Biniam Girmay Hailu (5 points, 7 teams). A trio of teams tie for third with 27 points; two of them with Viviani/Cepeda, and triley36 with 24 points from Kevin Rivera (4 teams) and 3 for Daniel Munoz (2 teams)... which means that without Gabon's results, triley36 would have led the week.



This Week's High Movers




Rank   Team   Up/down
1   Muddy_Waters   (+35)
2   Fivezzz   (+14)
3   adamski101   (+13)
4   Blues in the bottle   (+11)
4   Jakob747   (+11)
4   triley36   (+11)


It can only really happen in the second week of the season, but the leader in this category almost moved as many spots as the leader of the prior category got points! Muddy Waters managed to get in a place mid-table last week on McCarthy's 35 points, to where Viviani's 26 points leveraged their team quite a large leap in the standings! A fortuitous confluence of events. Fivezzz and adamski101 repeat their podium standing from the other ranking here with double-digit moves.



Green Jersey Competition



Rank   Team   Total
1   will10   47
2   Fivezzz   45
2   the asian   45
4   adamski101   35
5   greenedge   34


will10 manages to quickly move beyond the maximum weekly points total (refresher - the points here are awarded to the top 15 places weekly on a scale based off the TdF flat stage finish points from a few years back before they made it more top-heavy), leveraging 35 points for second place last week and 12 points for a 10th place finish this week to move clear of the field. The two weekly winners so far are tied for second. greenedge somehow managed to get 17 points both weeks, even though that's not an actual score for a placing (tied teams are given the average of the tied spots, ie if teams would have gotten 18 and 16 points for the two spots that are tied, I give them each 17). Anyway, the competition is underway!



Top 10 Overall



Rank   Up/down   Team   Points
1   (-)   
the asian
147
2   (-)   will10   137
3   (-)   dimasotf   107
4   (-)   Mayomaniac   100
5   (+2)   greenedge   91
6   (-2)   rote_laterne   90
7   (-1)   Falze   82
8   (+2)   Tsyka   74
9   (+1)   Squire   70
10   (-)   ThePirate81   69


Not a lot of movement but 7 of the teams in the top 10 scored some points this week (and 50 teams overall did). the asian holds onto the lead and the podium is identical to last week.



This week with the TDU offering lots of points should see a shakeup, as well as some riders in Gabon that will continue to score for some teams.



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Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on January 28, 2020, 01:01
Update #3: Object Lesson on How to Win a CQ Week



The CQ manager game kicked into high gear this week, with results from Gabon but most importantly the first World Tour points of the year in the TdU. The winners of both of these races were only chosen by two teams, so there is some stratification at the top, and of course with so many points on offer, the table is in upheaval.



This Week's Top Scorers



Rank   Team   Points this week
1   Object   564
2   Nicosix   485
3   ChrisDK   430
4   zaka_fan   390
5   will10   338


Porte with his 386 points - already at 59% of his 2019 score - would be good enough for 5th place on this table on their own, so it was always likely that the winning team would be one of the two that chose Porte. And indeed, Object runs away with the week combining Porte points with 121 points from Simon Yates (a bit more popular, on 84 teams) and a decent 37 from Rob Power and finishing points from a few others. Nicosix nabs a very good second place without Porte, but a well-rounded team effort thanks mainly to Yates, Sam Bennett (117 points, 5 teams), surprise Gabon winner Jordan Levasseur (120 points at a cost of 4!, 2 teams), and rare picks Biniam Hailu and Jeremy Cabot pick some up as well. ChrisDK nabs a podium spot as the other Porte-haver.



This Week's High Movers



Rank   Team   Up/down
1   ChrisDK   (+84)
2   Riverside   (+64)
3   hfgon1   (+63)
4   CQPlayer7373   (+58)
5   Yellow Knight   (+52)


Well. You know there's going to be some serious movement in the first real points week of the season, and there certainly was.  ChrisDK went from zero points on the season to getting 430 this week, so an 84 spot jump in a competition with 113 teams is about as big as it gets (88 teams had scored a point before this week). Riverside rode Yates, Philipsen (111, 2 teams) and unique pick Emmanuel Morin (82 points) to a 64 spot jump, and hfgon1 celebrates a 63 spot jump as one of the 2 teams to pick Matthew Holmes (60 points), as well as George Bennett (90) and Yates.



Green Jersey Competition




Rank   Team   Total
1   will10   69
2   Object   45
2   the asian   45
2   Fivezzz   45
5   greenedge   42


Object takes 45 points to tie the other two weekly winners on the table, while will10 extends their lead by scoring the third week in a row (22 points this time). greenedge also scores for the third week in a row, netting 8 more points to land in the top 5 here.



Top 10 Overall




Rank   Up/down   Team   Points
1   (+35)   
Object
611
2   (+50)   Nicosix   515
3   (-1)   will10   475
4   (+10)   zaka_fan   450
5   (+84)   ChrisDK   430
6   (-3)   dimasotf   393
7   (+7)   18-Valve. (pithy)   391
8   (-3)   greenedge   382
9   (+9)   del1962   380
10   (+1)   Marek   374


Three teams from last week's top 10 remain this week - the aforementioned consistent will10 and greenedge, as well as dimasotf.  But last week's leader the asian falls to 12th, and this week's top 2 on the week leap 35 and 50 spots to become the top 2 overall. This week, the points keep coming from a variety of places: currently in San Juan, the new 1.1 Race Torquay and then the Cadel race in Australia, and of course, the start of racing in Europe with the Mallorca Challenge and finally the continental opener in Marseille on Sunday.



Spreadsheet at dropbox (https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/aid6j4q0k6ro55hkhpuc8/CQ-2020-Update-3.xlsx?dl=0&rlkey=4t4rr3hvnbaua2tyxzcgb5eu2)
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on January 28, 2020, 07:25
Everybody's off the mark! :cool
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on February 05, 2020, 03:01
Update #4: Hakkie 2 Good for the Competition



With San Juan and Mallorca, as well as a couple of races in Australia and the Colombian nats, there were a wealth of races without giant points in any given one, but some of the weekly scores approached the big weeks to follow later in the year with multiple WT races! It was a very good week for some teams indeed.



This Week's Top Scorers




Rank   Team   Points this week
1   Hakkie2   817
2   Jakob747   722
3   western_grebe   649
4   EvansIsTheBest   646
5   christopherrowe   626


Last year's podium finisher Hakkie2 wins the week with an incredible 817 points, beating every team but Jakob747 by over 100. Of course, if you're paying attention you'd have guessed that the winning team this week had to have Remco Evenepoel, who picked up a solid 210 points for the 26 teams who thought he'd still be a good pickup after his remarkable rookie year. As well, the 24 teams who picked the somewhat cheaper and somewhat older sophomore Matteo Moschetti had to be thrilled with his two wins in Mallorca, breaking even with 2019 after two days. Hakkie had them both. Aside from next highest scorer Marc Soler (88 points, 74 teams), most of the rest of the good points on Hakkie's team (83 from Gaviria, 62 McCarthy, 44 Fernandez, 40 Dainese) came from riders picked by 30 teams or fewer. A great start to the season. Jakob747, as mentioned, landed in second thanks to Evenepoel and Moschetti, and to rare picks Higuita (100 points, 4 teams) and Muhlberger (88 points, 2 teams). Game newcomer western grebe nabs third, edging out game veteran EvansIsTheBest by 3 points.



This Week's High Movers



Rank   Team   Up/down
1   christopherrowe   (+75)
2   Bicycle_Boy   (+74)
3   Jakob747   (+65)
4   Kazistuta   (+60)
5   Otoxiep87   (+58)
5   triley36   (+58)


Wow, some real jumps this week, and such a close race at the top of this classification. christopherrowe leaps an astounding 75 spots with a 'go big or go home' lineup of rare riders: unique pick Dries Devenyns really pays off with 180 points for winning in Australia (and is at 234 at a cost of 173 already), and the aforementioned Moschetti and Higuita. Bicycle Boy comes oh so close, but will have to be consoled with a 74 spot leap in the standings thanks to Remco, Moschetti, McNulty and Gaviria, while Jakob747 doubles up on the podiums this week.



Green Jersey Competition



Rank   Team   Total
1   will10   69
2   Jakob747   61
3   Fivezzz   55
4   Hakkie2   45
4   the asian   45
4   Object   45


This week is the first this year where will10 isn't in the top 15 of the week. That allows teams like Jakob747 (26 Green Jersey points on the week) and Fivezzz (10 on the week) to gain a bit, while Hakkie2 joins the ranks of weekly winners in the logjam at 4th place.



Top 10 Overall




Rank   Up/down   Team   Points
1   (+55)   
Hakkie2
1010
2   (+22)   western_grebe   948
3   (+1)   zaka_fan   931
4   (+28)   EvansIsTheBest   926
5   (+5)   Marek   896
6   (+65)   Jakob747   888
7   (-)   18-Valve. (pithy)   869
8   (-3)   ChrisDK   852
9   (+24)   sodak_za   849
10   (-9)   Object   842


Well given that Hakkie2 scored 817 on the week and and 842 total will get you in the top 10, it's no wonder that their team scores a 55 spot leap into the top overall position. Now that we've seen some points get the season underway, there shouldn't be quite as dramatic leaps in the future, but we still do have a brand new top 3 and mostly new top 10, with last week's leader Object the only team that was on the podium last week still in the top 10. western grebe and zaka fan round out the podium.



I should mention that the Collective Wisdom team, composed of the most popular riders in the game, would be in 35th place at 645 points.



This week only sees the action pack up with stage races in multiple countries, including Spain, France, Malaysia, Australia and Saudi Arabia.



Spreadsheet at dropbox (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mpris0fup4227wb/CQ%202020%20Update%204.xlsx?dl=0)
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on February 11, 2020, 18:09
Update #5: Amis Velo tops a busy week



There were stage races this week in the Middle East, Australia, two in continental Europe, and one ongoing in Southeast Asia. Although it's likely that more teams had a wider variety of riders scoring than last week, the weekly top scorers weren't anywhere near last week's 800+ highs. A lot of decent performances from less popular riders and big points from very rare riders this week, but a very exciting week with alot going on.



This Week's Top Scorers




Rank   Team   Points this week
1   Amis_Velo   444
2   Londonpat   438
3   EvansIsTheBest   391
4   Jakob747   384
5   skidmark   358


Amis Velo tops the week with two riders scoring more than 100 points - Nacer Bouhanni nabbed 126 from Saudi Arabia (and is on 52 teams), while unique pick Tao Geoghegan Hart picked up 102 in Europe, which must be an encouraging start for someone having him as a unique pick.  Beyond that, the team had a slew of riders such as Chernetski, Daniese, Cort etc scoring between 30-40, coming together for a solid week. Londonpat finishes only 6 points behind, having the top two in the Saudi Tour (Phil Bauhaus is only on 4 teams and scored 166 on the week, and is now only 30 points behind last year's score). EvansIsTheBest nabs a mention in third as one of the only two teams to pick Alexys Brunel, as well as the Bouhanni points.



This Week's High Movers



Rank   Team   Up/down
1   Jon_Ezeitza   (+34)
2   Londonpat   (+32)
2   Eric10   (+32)
4   Amis_Velo   (+26)
4   postmanhat   (+26)


Things have settled a bit in week 5 after some huge jumps in the early going, but Jon Ezeitza still manages to top the week by moving up almost a third of the table, 34 spots.  Their team has only 4 scoring riders this week, and the vast majority come from Tadej Pogacar (216 points, 3 teams) and the aforementioned Brunel. Londonpat is a bridesmaid again, sharing second place with Eric10.



Green Jersey Competition



Rank   Team   Total
1   Jakob747   87
2   will10   69
3   EvansIsTheBest   56
4   Fivezzz   55
5   Hakkie2   51


Jakob747 moves into the lead of this competition after their team's third week in the top 4 out of the 5 weeks this game has been going on. will10 and Fivezzz stand pat while EITB has a second good week in a row, and Hakkie2 scores 6 points to separate them from the pack of weekly winners at 45 points, now out of the top 5.



Top 10 Overall



Rank   Up/down   Team   Points
1   (-)   
Hakkie2
1338
2   (+2)   EvansIsTheBest   1317
3   (+3)   Jakob747   1272
4   (-1)   zaka_fan   1237
5   (-3)   western_grebe   1205
6   (+1)   18-Valve. (pithy)   1160
7   (-2)   Marek   1135
8   (+2)   Object   1121
9   (-)   sodak_za   1110
10   (+6)   Squire   1091


Hakkie2 stays on top, while EITB and Jakob storm the podium. The top 10 overall has settled down a bit as well after a volatile first few weeks, with the only new entry being Squire, coming at the expense of ChrisDK, who tumbles out of the top 10.



The early season hits keep coming this week, with Langkawi continuing, Colombia and Provence hosting their stage races, Murcia later in the week, and then Laigueglia kicking off the Italian calendar and Almeria too.





Spreadsheet at dropbox (https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7a1q832ub4nvxx/CQ%202020%20Update%205.xlsx?dl=0)
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on February 14, 2020, 08:02
Banaszek into profit after one day's racing. :lol

He'll be up against some bigger names at Antalya, so that will give a better indication of his level these days.
Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: skidmark on February 17, 2020, 19:58
Update #6: HelgeBlendet Puts it all Together



February continues apace with the appetizer races leading up to Opening Weekend, Paris-Nice and everything after, and we are starting to see some riders really come into their own, taking a good chunk out of or even surpassing totals from last year. One team this week stood above the rest, however.



This Week's Top Scorers




Rank   Team   Points this week
1   HelgeBlendet   600
2   Hakkie2   464
3   Mayomaniac   457
4   Northerner   447
5   DJ Sprtsch   432


HelgeBlendet scores an even 600 points in a week where no one else even topped 500, the effects of which (spoiler alert) you will see further down the table. This wasn't due to a solitary pick hitting it big, either - this was accomplished by committee, with 9 riders scoring between 40 and 89 points for their team. These are (deep breath): Jonathan Caciedo (89 points, 3 teams), Hugh Carthy (88, 5), Wilco Kelderman (85, 26), Diego Rosa (66, 5), Lennard Kamna (66, 46), George Bennett (54, 9), Esteban Chaves (40, 14) and Louis Meintjes (40, 21). Very impressive! Meanwhile, Hakkie2 wasn't content with the overall lead and wanted another notch in the belt, so their team gets second with 464 points. Danilo Celano (197 points, 3 teams) leads the way there, with unique pick Pierpaolo Ficara (83 points) also contributing a significant amount.  Mayomaniac nabs the final podium spot thanks as well to Celano and a fantastic showing from young Biniam Hailu (78 points, 7 teams).



This Week's High Movers



Rank   Team   Up/down
1   DJ Sprtsch   (+30)
2   Sneekes   (+28)
3   bminchow   (+27)
4   BlueRoads   (+25)
5   CQPlayer7373   (+24)


Quite a different top 5 here, as lots of the top scorers were already quite high on the standings. DJ Sprtsch takes the honors here, moving up thirty places thanks to Dani Martinez's 108 points leading the way. Sneekes is close behind (shoutout to the 139 points provided by an opportunistic Xandro Meurisse), while bminchow lands in third (as mentioned in the CN thread, unique pick Ciccone got 130 for winning Laigueglia).



Green Jersey Competition




Rank   Team   Total
1   Jakob747   87
2   Hakkie2   86
3   will10   69
4   EvansIsTheBest   56
5   Fivezzz   55


Hakkie2 isn't crushing absolutely everything in the early season, but is coming close, scoring 35 points in this competition to lesson Jakob747's lead to 1 point. No one else in the top 5 overall scores this week; 69 teams have scored at least a point in this competition so far.



Top 10 Overall



Rank   Up/down   Team   Points
1   (-)   
Hakkie2
1802
2   (+17)   HelgeBlendet   1594
3   (-)   Jakob747   1550
4   (-2)   EvansIsTheBest   1521
5   (+5)   Squire   1502
6   (+2)   Object   1493
7   (+2)   sodak_za   1476
8   (-4)   zaka_fan   1441
9   (+6)   skidmark   1424
10   (-4)   18-Valve. (pithy)   1401


No surprise here, as Hakkie2's lead gets extended to over 200 points overall. HelgeBlendet rockets up the standings after a dominant week, but was starting about 350 points behind, and so must settle for a still quite impressive second. HelgeBlendet and good ol' team skidmark slip into the top 10, while western grebe and Marek tumble out.



The traditional European early season is in full swing this week, with Algarve, Andalucia and Haut Var punctuating a stage-race heavy week, with the newly 2.1 Tour of Antalya offering some good CQ points as well. No Oman, but it's still a pretty big week.



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Title: Re: 2020 CQ Game Thread
Post by: Leadbelly on February 20, 2020, 17:48
That's more like it. A 1-2-3 at Algarve today. :cool