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Title: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: just some guy on March 03, 2020, 16:22
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Paris-Nice 2020 stages
Stage 1 (Sunday March 8): Plaisir - Plaisir (154km)
Stage 2 (Monday March 9): Chevreuse - Chalette-sur-Loing (166.5km)
Stage 3 (Tuesday March 10): Chalette-sur-Loing - La Châtre (212.5km)
Stage 4 (Wednesday March 11): Saint-Amand-Montrond (15.1km ITT)
Stage 5 (Thursday March 12): Gannat - La Côte-Saint-André (227km)
Stage 6 (Friday March 13): Sorgues - Apt (160.5km)
Stage 7 (Saturday March 14): Nice - Valdeblore La Colmiane (166.5km)
Stage 8 (Sunday March 15): Nice - Nice (113.5km)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9s2ZRBheHY

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Only the future will tell if we witnessed the emergence of a cycling master this past March on the slopes leading to the Col de Turini. These bends, where the careers of rally drivers where forged in the Monte Carlo Rally, also served as a springboard for an ambitious kid chasing after his first prestigious race on European soil. After wearing yellow at Turini and on the Promenade des Anglais, Egan Bernal was crowned victorious a few months later, sporting an even more impressive yellow jersey on the podium of the Champs-Elysées.

“I really started to think that I could win the Tour after my victory at Paris-Nice”, the first Colombian winner of the Grand Boucle admitted with hindsight, knowing that a champion’s path is marked by milestones representing a turning point or stages of progress. The title holder’s analysis echoes the words of other Tour winners, such as Geraint Thomas or even Alberto Contador, who also expressed in similar terms the decisive role of confidence gained in the Race to the Sun.

The lessons learned at the beginning of the season on the French Riviera are by no means premonitions, but a starting point that is always useful in revving up for the Tour de France: days spent facing the wind, testing yourself against the clock, demonstrating your mountain skills early, as well as how calm you are under pressure during descents, will serve as benchmarks in July when it’s 20 degrees warmer. This year, the imaginary bridge linking the two events will be all the more apparent as Nice plays host to the Grand Départ of the Tour.

The fight for the accolades at Paris-Nice, at La Colmiane in particular, will play out as a high-intensity prelude. The expectations set for the Alpes-Maritimes roads are higher than usual...

Christian Prudhomme


So the race is still on apparently the French minster for sports is not expecting crowds so we get the race to the sun.

Stage 1

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Stage 2

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Stage 3

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Stage 4 ITT

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Stage 5

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Stage 6

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Stage 7

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Stage 8

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Pretty tradition route, some long days to get the legs turning over ITT and 3 hard stage for the GC
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 03, 2020, 18:36
 An excellent thread starter, JSG.

Imo, it's a horrible route. The best inclusion being the finish of stage one, the worst, the ruination of the final stage that has consistently produced exciting racing.
 It basically boils down to an ITT and a MTF, with a couple of intermediate stages to season this thin concoction.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: just some guy on March 03, 2020, 18:44
Kind words MV we all know no thought went in to it just had some time to try and help out :D
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Leadbelly on March 05, 2020, 16:10
https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1235591604737642498

Circus receive a bonus wildcard to the race. Also teams will allowed 8 riders and not the usual 7.

So far the teams confirmed not to be riding are Astana, CCC, Mitchelton, Ineos and UAE.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 05, 2020, 18:13
Circus receive a bonus wildcard to the race.

same as #bbhotels

https://twitter.com/ParisNice/status/1235620478439616512
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 05, 2020, 19:06
 More big guns add their names to the Paris-Nice roster.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Romain-bardet-peter-sagan-elia-viviani-et-wout-van-aert-presents-a-paris-nice/1116698
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: t-72 on March 05, 2020, 20:58
L'Equipe says van Aert will be racing but #jumbo says they won't?  I am a bit confused now! Help me clear this up:

Teams particpating + key riders announced
1. #ag2r Ag2r: Bardet, Naesen
2. #bahrain Bahrain-McLaren:
3. #bora Bora-Hansgrohe: Ackerman, Sagan, Konrad
4. #cofidis Cofidis:  Viviani, Martin
5. #quickstep Decuninck-Quickstep: Alaphilippe, Bennet
6. #ef Education First pro cycling: Higuita, Cort
7. #groupama Groupama-FDJ: Pinot, Noir
8. #israel Israel Start-up Nation: Politt, Hofstetter
9. #lotto Lotto Soudal: Ewan, Gilbert
10. #movistar Movistar team:
11. #ntt NTT Pro cycling team: Valgren
12. #arkea Arkea-Samsic: Quintana, Barguil
13. #jumbo Jumbo-Visma: Roglic/Kruijswick/Bennett, Van Aert
14. #sunweb Team Sunweb: Bool[1]
15. #total Total-Direct Energie: Calmejane, Terpstra
16. #trek Trek-Segafredo: Porte, Pederesen
17. #nippo Nippo-Delko-Provence
18. #vital B&B hotels - Vital concept: riders TBA
19. #wanty Circus-Wanty Gobert: riders TBA

Teams that have announced they will not be participating
1. #jumbo  Jumbo-Visma, but they will also participate... (?????!!!?)
2. #astana Astana
3. #ineos Ineos
4. #uae UAE
5. #movistar Movistar, but they will also participate... (?????!!!?)(???)

Summing this up, it seems we will be missing some of the usual suspects (#ineos, #uae, +/- #movistar) but there are some unusual additions with a strong team announced here like #bora Sagan/Ackerman,  #arkea Quintana, and possibly the complete A-list for #jumbo?

I guess it looks like a decent race after all for now - not sure if it is a good idea to have #jumbo there as they look disproportionately strong for the GC competition walkover or walkoviak!

 1. (either present or not, nothing in between)
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 05, 2020, 22:04
L'Equipe says van Aert will be racing but #jumbo says they won't?  I am a bit confused now! Help me clear this up

they opted out of the Italian races only, not generally
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: AG on March 06, 2020, 00:10
Michelton Scott out.   Also CCC
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: just some guy on March 06, 2020, 14:48
Read something about Jumbo out but not sure 100%
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: just some guy on March 06, 2020, 14:53
Yep Jumbo out https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/coronavirus-jumbo-visma-announce-withdrawal-from-paris-nice/
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 06, 2020, 17:52
Race organisers say there will be no contact between riders and public figures on podiums, as well as no press conferences held at Paris-Nice.


https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/special-measures-introduced-at-paris-nice-to-reduce-spread-of-coronavirus-451052
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: LukasCPH on March 06, 2020, 22:32
Race organisers say there will be no contact between riders and public figures on podiums, as well as no press conferences held at Paris-Nice.
No contact at all? How will they put on leader's jerseys, then? :shh
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: just some guy on March 06, 2020, 22:40
Use that t-shirt shooting thing I assume, hang time 14 days
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Joelsim on March 06, 2020, 22:41
A big vacuum cleaner behind him,
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 07, 2020, 11:06
Race organisers say there will be no contact between riders and public figures on podiums, as well as no press conferences held at Paris-Nice.


https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/special-measures-introduced-at-paris-nice-to-reduce-spread-of-coronavirus-451052
No point in winning a stage or or leading a classification if you don't get a kiss from the podium girls [/70s irony]
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Joelsim on March 07, 2020, 11:20
No point in winning a stage or or leading a classification if you don't get a kiss from the podium girls [/70s irony]

Hincapie and Sevilla will be gutted.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 07, 2020, 14:44
No contact at all? How will they put on leader's jerseys, then? :shh

Leader's jersey to be replaced with leader's DIY face mask.

Just think of the sponsorship opportunities!

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Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 08, 2020, 08:17
so, seems like this is going to start, and it should be fun right from the beginning. There's a bit of rain and strong wind on the cards to rip the field apart, and if this doesn't help, also the finale is fairly challenging (profile via @raffilpt):



so something around 1.5k at 6.5% average, but the final 400m are steeper - and on cobbles! :)

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Still ~5k to go from the top, but it's likely to be a good launching pad for late attacks
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 08, 2020, 16:33
it turned out to be a very entertaining stage indeed, with lots of echelon-action early on, resulting in a 2-men group of #deceuninck Julian Alaphilippe and #sunweb Tiesj Benoot going clear with ~30k to go - only to be caught by #bahrain Dylan Teuns and #bora Max Schachmann, who attacked and bridged to the front on the final climb.



Some of the casualties among the potential GC contenders were #deceuninck Bob Jungels (+2:00 after a late mechanical), #ag2r Romain Bardet, #trek Richie Porte, #cofidis Guillaume Martin (all +2:42) and #arkea Warren Barguil (+14:47, and then disqualified for drafting after a crash)
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: t-72 on March 08, 2020, 22:08
Some of the casualties among the potential GC .....and #arkea Warren Barguil (+14:47, and then disqualified for drafting after a crash)

 :S This Bretôn doesn´t function like they used to. Slightest slight of bad weather and he´s off the road. Romandie, Arctic race and now this.

Can someone please post a picture of Bernard Hinault winning the Neige-Bastogne-Neige ?

I almost forgot it, he’s riding for which team? A-ha #arkea !
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Leadbelly on March 09, 2020, 10:18
I almost forgot it, he’s riding for which team? A-ha #arkea !

On the flip-side though, Quintana and Connor Swift had a very good day for #arkea.

https://www.team-arkea-samsic.fr/nairo-quintana-lequipe-a-travail/

Quote from: Swift
It was a stressful day, with this wind, this rain. When the peloton broke, and we found ourselves in the very first edge Nairo and I, what were we, twelve or thirteen runners, only, at the head of the race! I was in very good company. Yvon told me on the radio to stay by the side of Nairo, and to protect him, while bringing our breakaway group to life by taking over. When there was more wind, Yvon asked me to stay even more alongside Nairo, to work exclusively to protect him. I left my legs (laugh) on the last climb of the day, it was very cold. Nairo in addition in this climb no longer needed me too much to protect him and replace him, if necessary. It was a beautiful day, I gained a lot of experience on this first stage of Paris-Nice. She was rich in lessons for me, when there is wind you can never let your mind "switch", it is necessary to stay constantly focused, and it is difficult and good at the same time.

Unfortunately for Swift the TDF this year mainly eschews these types of stages and no doubt the weather will be better by then, but he may still have earnt himself a spot in the squad as Quintana's wingman for what flatter stages there are.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 09, 2020, 11:13
they were strong indeed - Quintana always is though. I mean, it's not like he really had more support for that kind of terrain at Movistar.

I found a video from yesterday's final climb on Instagram (Source: @josselin_riou's story (https://www.instagram.com/josselin_riou/)) by the way, if anyone is interested:

https://imgur.com/a/4yDKdgX

So at that point the order in the chase was Matthews, Stybar, Gilbert, Molard, Nibali, Asgreen, Bol, Kragh, Woods, Großschartner, Pinot, Quintana, Higuita, Bilbao, Stuyven, Doubey, Neilands, Politt, Kangert, Nizzolo, Degenkolb, Campenaerts, Arndt, Sagan, Naesen, Lampaert, which may be a bit of an indication, who is in shape for the coming days.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 09, 2020, 11:49
on paper, today's stage should end up in a sprint by the way, although wind could have an effect on the race again, especially in the later parts.

Most teams didn't find room to bring in their usual leadout men, so (if it's gonna be a sprint) it will be interesting to see, how pairs like #bora Sagan/Ackermann, #sunweb Matthews/Bol, #lotto Degenkolb/Ewan (although Caleb has Kluge and de Buyst as well), #israel Hofstetter/Barbier, #cofidis Touzé/Viviani and so on manage to work together
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: t-72 on March 09, 2020, 12:09
On the flip-side though, Quintana and Connor Swift had a very good day for #arkea.

https://www.team-arkea-samsic.fr/nairo-quintana-lequipe-a-travail/

Unfortunately for Swift the TDF this year mainly eschews these types of stages and no doubt the weather will be better by then, but he may still have earnt himself a spot in the squad as Quintana's wingman for what flatter stages there are.

(Warning, yearly anti - arkea rant coming up!  :P I am on vacation schedule!)
It started almost as a joking little quarrel between me and ... I think it was search? #arkea in it's previous packaging (#fortuneo) saw a few nordic riders pass through the team listing. They joined the team, and started to detoriate, not immediately - but after a while it was obvious they were all becoming worse through riding with that team. Over-focusing on weight for quite young riders is one part of the picture here. At the time,  the French riders on the team didn't really shine either,  and the best rider after Barguil, Pierre-Luc Perrichon,  has now left the team. He was good enough to win a few races on the French circuit and ride the Tour de France mostly in the peloton. Elie Gesbert another rider occasionally noticed. They didn't get any better, either.
Compared to the best continental team in Norway at the time, #joker, the results were worse (though they did race some races at a higher level) and the rider development bad. There has to be a common denominator for that,  and I think the team management is questionable when this goes on for years. Riders didn't win a contract with #arkea for the upcoming seaon, they were condemned to it.

I hope the arrival of Nairo and Bouhanni can change that. Nairo is probably more of a force himself than what has been reckoned with at Movistar, where he was a team player. At least most of the time  :P.  However, if the real management of a team is clueless, a couple of determined captains can do a lot on the road that they guys in the backseat office can't screw up every time they try. With a team leadership that is more effective when kept away from the riders, both Nairo and Nacer can improve things a lot. If the old management recongnize their limitations they, should focus on logistics,  handling contracts and sponsors.

Quintana and Bouhanni are the kind of riders that know how to build a team - at least Bouhanni does that.  At its best[1], the Bouhanni version of the Cofidis train could knock even the WT heavyweights off their tracks, and that was a remarkable achievement for a pro-conti squad. They scored more than a handful stage wins in the lesser Grand Tours (but none in the TdF). Then came a summer when things didn't work out, Bouhanni suffered a really really bad fall in Yorkshire (that must have ebeen close to career-ending, but probably also close to something even worse.) The new management at Cofidis found the team had turned into a Bohanni family-run enterprise, dind't like that and threw them all into the ice box. However, if it really was a Bouhanni-run business, it was a business that achieved results #fortuneo could only dream of.

Barguil can have some pretty good days on a bike but he is very inconsistent and now fully exposed as far from weatherproof -a nd what's more - he doesn't seem willing or able to be a team leader. There's a lot to be said about Bouhanni (many teams would not want to be seen with him as a leader, I guess...) but he is a leader, for better or worse ,and there aren't many like him (fortunately? ) in the pro team squads. It will be interesting to see if Viviani manages to stitch up the broken seams in the Cofidis jersey like Bohanni did, and indeed if they meet head to head I guess it's a special edition with more than one belt at stake.

Now I was being nice to them, wasn't I?  :angel

Back to Paris-Nice 2020..... Bordures day? please?
 1. for example Paris-Nice 2016, stage 4 Juliénas  ›  Romans-sur-Isère
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 09, 2020, 18:19
on paper, today's stage should end up in a sprint by the way, although wind could have an effect on the race again, especially in the later parts.

...and it did! Another great finale



#arkea Quintana was involved in a crash and #deceuninck Alaphilippe had a puncture at the wrong time, resulting in a 1:25 loss for both.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 09, 2020, 19:16
...and it did!

What happened to  #lotto Lotto-Soudal? :slow
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 09, 2020, 19:30
What happened to  #lotto Lotto-Soudal? :slow

Ewan had a mechanical, don't know about the others (Gilbert & Degenkolb). Maybe just lacking a bit of freshness after the stage yesterday
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Joelsim on March 09, 2020, 20:20
Higuita played it very well indeed today, sat in the middle of the front group trying to keep himself out of the wind, responded when asked and nicked a few seconds off Nibs and Schachmann right at the end. Impressive.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: t-72 on March 09, 2020, 21:24
Higuita played it very well indeed today, sat in the middle of the front group trying to keep himself out of the wind, responded when asked and nicked a few seconds off Nibs and Schachmann right at the end. Impressive.

The 1.63 MONSTER is scary: he climbs, he sprints and now he does crosswinds better than Oliver Naesen  :S I am really uncertain if this guy becomes a GC rider his skill set also points to solid classics potential[1], and maybe something over the #rainbows.
 1. as in Il Lombardia
Title: Q
Post by: t-72 on March 10, 2020, 17:05
Stage 3 and it turned out to be the classical snooze button headwind stage. The breakaway, empty road ahead and perhaps lonely and defriended #wanty Tom deVriendt trying to knock a dent into the biting wind.

The finale was mostly a stack of riders falling and when they got up again, another few tumbled. Does anybody have the counts for the damage done? I saw #quickstep #champie Sam Bennett apparently with a broken wrist after the final 100m fall (and that was possibly bad karma getting back at him after he shouldered Quintana quite brutally inwards, into the peloton earlier - putting not ony Quintana but the riders on his side in danger as well. Bennett could possibly face a DSQ for that anyway. If you need to push someone off the road, at least shove them off the road.

I am quite impressed by a couple of younger riders that keeps defying the specialized role descriptions in the pro peloton. Yesterday the monster got honorable mention, today it's beyond doubt #bahrain Ivan Garcia Cortina's day. One day he is towing the peloton 150 km like he's the next #quickstep TDQ, today he beats #bora Peter Sagan in the sprint. Cycling helmet, cycling cap and wool liner off, that's quite versatile!



The race is surprisingly good given the number of missing teams. This year's planned Paris-Nice line-up would have made it a 'best of' edition, I think. I think #ineos vs #ef would have made a very good GC battle here.


 
Title: Re: Q
Post by: search on March 10, 2020, 17:55
The race is surprisingly good given the number of missing teams. This year's planned Paris-Nice line-up would have made it a 'best of' edition, I think. I think #ineos vs #ef would have made a very good GC battle here.

the initially planned line-up wouldn't have included guys like Schachmann or Pinot though, nor some of the classics riders putting the hammer down in the wind. So it's really hard to say.

Tomorrow's time trial isn't an easy one again, by the way, although probably not as hard (or technical) as in the past two years:



Fortunately for the riders, there's almost no rain forecast for tomorrow - but changing wind conditions could be a factor maybe.

~pdf Ordre de Depart (https://www.tissottiming.com/File/0003120200010104FFFFFFFFFFFFFF02)
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 10, 2020, 18:09
  Bennett karma today?

https://twitter.com/daanvandenberg/status/1237413610751692801
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: t-72 on March 10, 2020, 20:02
  Bennett karma today?

yep, that was the incident I was referring to. Notice how the rider behind Viviani is the one who gets the most trouble for this. Very close to creating a big pile-up of frames, disc brakes, wheels and cyclists. :angry
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 10, 2020, 22:00
https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/1237494134648102912
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 11, 2020, 11:24
if the rumours some riders heard are true, Paris-Nice will finish on Friday, either before or after the stage. Apparently the mayor of Nice (where Saturday's and Sunday's stages would head off/finish) doesn't want to have them around at all

https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2020-03-11-ryttere-forventer-tidligere-afslutning-paa-paris-nice
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 11, 2020, 19:11
ITT result including split times:

RANK NAME INT INT -> FIN FIN
1      KRAGH Soren      10:11 (04.)      <- 08:41 (01.) ->      18:52
2      SCHACHMANN Max      10:03 (01.)      <- 08:54 (07.) ->      18:57
3      ASGREEN Kasper      10:13 (07.)      <- 08:50 (03.) ->      19:04
4      DE GENDT Thomas      10:11 (05.)      <- 08:53 (05.) ->      19:05
5      BILBAO Peio      10:08 (02.)      <- 08:58 (09.) ->      19:06
6      CAMPENAERTS Victor      10:21 (16.)      <- 08:48 (02.) ->      19:09
7      MATTHEWS Michael      10:17 (12.)      <- 08:53 (04.) ->      19:10
8      KUNG Stefan      10:24 (21.)      <- 08:54 (06.) ->      19:18
9      LUDVIGSSON Tobias      10:23 (19.)      <- 08:56 (08.) ->      19:19
10      CRADDOCK Lawson      10:21 (15.)      <- 09:00 (11.) ->      19:20
11      KANGERT Tanel      10:17 (11.)      <- 09:07 (18.) ->      19:24
12      JUNGELS Bob      10:22 (17.)      <- 09:03 (13.) ->      19:25
13      TRATNIK Jan      10:17 (10.)      <- 09:08 (20.) ->      19:25
14      PORTE Richie      10:15 (09.)      <- 09:10 (25.) ->      19:25
15      BENOOT Thiesj      10:19 (13.)      <- 09:08 (19.) ->      19:27
16      TEUNS Dylan      10:10 (03.)      <- 09:17 (45.) ->      19:27
17      ALAPHILIPPE Julian      10:14 (08.)      <- 09:14 (33.) ->      19:28
17      GROSSSCHARTNER Felix      10:13 (06.)      <- 09:15 (34.) ->      19:28
19      CARUSO Damiano      10:23 (20.)      <- 09:09 (22.) ->      19:32
20      LATOUR Pierre      10:20 (14.)      <- 09:11 (30.) ->      19:32
21      VAN GARDEREN Tejay      10:35 (37.)      <- 08:58 (10.) ->      19:33
22      POLITT Nils      10:24 (22.)      <- 09:11 (28.) ->      19:35
23      GOUGEARD Alexis      10:26 (25.)      <- 09:10 (26.) ->      19:37
24      HIGUITA Sergio      10:28 (27.)      <- 09:09 (23.) ->      19:37
25      EEKHOFF Nils      10:35 (39.)      <- 09:04 (15.) ->      19:39
26      PINOT Thibault      10:26 (24.)      <- 09:16 (36.) ->      19:41
27      MOLARD Rudy      10:25 (23.)      <- 09:16 (38.) ->      19:42
28      QUINTANA Nairo      10:22 (18.)      <- 09:20 (52.) ->      19:42
29      WÜRTZ Mads      10:34 (34.)      <- 09:10 (24.) ->      19:43
30      NIBALI Vincenzo      10:31 (29.)      <- 09:14 (32.) ->      19:45
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 11, 2020, 19:19
if the rumours some riders heard are true, Paris-Nice will finish on Friday, either before or after the stage. Apparently the mayor of Nice (where Saturday's and Sunday's stages would head off/finish) doesn't want to have them around at all

https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2020-03-11-ryttere-forventer-tidligere-afslutning-paa-paris-nice

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Leadbelly on March 11, 2020, 19:44
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I can simply say that at this instant, on Wednesday afternoon, we have received assurances that Paris-Nice will 100 percent arrive in Nice.

.....and they arrive in Nice after the end of stage 6. :shh
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Echoes on March 11, 2020, 19:47
https://www.dhnet.be/sports/cyclisme/paris-nice-la-derniere-course-de-l-annee-pour-thomas-de-gendt-5e68d13b9978e201d8b554c0

Thomas De Gendt said that at the start of the race, they were joking about the possibility that this could be this year's last race. Now, he seriously believes it might be. After today's ITT they are heading towards Southern France where the weather is much better and people are less hesitating to come and visit the race. So it's possible that the organisers are deciding to stop the race, says De Gendt.


My question would be. Would there be a winner in that case? In 1939, Brik Schotte won the Tour de l'Ouest which had been halted mid-race because of the events you can easily guess. That's the only case I know of a stage race that had been stopped earlier than planned with a rider being declared winner.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: LukasCPH on March 11, 2020, 20:33
My question would be. Would there be a winner in that case? In 1939, Brik Schotte won the Tour de l'Ouest which had been halted mid-race because of the events you can easily guess. That's the only case I know of a stage race that had been stopped earlier than planned with a rider being declared winner.
Adam Yates was declared winner of the UAE Tour when that stopped mid-race two weeks ago. ;)

If Paris-Nice is abandoned before the end, whoever is in #yellow at that point will almost certainly be declared the winner.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 11, 2020, 20:55
If Paris-Nice is abandoned before the end, whoever is in #yellow at that point will almost certainly be declared the winner.

Most likely, yeah. "In case of an exceptional [...] incident [...] the president of the commissaires’ panel, after consulting the organiser, may [...] cancel or let the results stand in case the race is [...] stopped", though, so according to UCI rules, they could also end the race without a winner.

Looking at the current development of the numbers in France (and compare it with Italy), the country will probably be locked down by ~Sunday anyway, I guess. So neither the mayor of Nice nor Prudhomme looks too likely to have a say in the decision to continue the race or not.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: AG on March 12, 2020, 07:00
yeah.  Schachman in a pretty good position to add Paris Nice to his palmares.

In a season that ends in March  :o
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Echoes on March 12, 2020, 19:58
Wow tells you how deep I've been in touch with cycling in the past few weeks. I also had that info that that petroleum tour had been cut short, shortly after posting the above comments while reading an article about those teams confined in their hotel over there. Sorry for ignorance.  :D
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 13, 2020, 07:15
heartbreaking stuff yesterday, with #bahrain Jan Tratnik getting caught at 100m to go, after 220k in the breakaway. Super strong performace from him, first dropping all his companions, and then keeping a small gap for so long - but it was also a great sprint from #total Bonifazio in the end.



Today's stage looks like a fun one, and so far it looks like, it'll really take place.

(https://www.ciclismointernacional.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Screenshot-2020-03-02-at-21.29.10-1.png)

Here is a closer look at the finish (profile via @raffilpt):



So first we habe 5k at >5% and then a nice little 1.4k kicker at >8% with 2k to go. The winning move looks likely to come on that part, I guess - but it could also be a day for the breakaway. Hard to see anyone controlling this all day
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 13, 2020, 09:26
Apparently Sunday's stage will definitely be cancelled, but ASO wants to push through till Saturday evening.

There was a voting among the teams, 11 wanted to continue and 5 to cancel the race - among them #bahrain Bahrain, who will not start today, no matter what, if the reports are true.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: t-72 on March 13, 2020, 10:22
heartbreaking stuff yesterday, with #bahrain Jan Tratnik getting caught at 100m to go, after 220k in the breakaway. Super strong performace from him, first dropping all his companions, and then keeping a small gap for so long.....

Tratnik has always been a bit underrated rider! He deserved a big win now  :angry

A Norwegian cyclist as a guest commentary with Europsport on a dead boring Giro sprint stage turned the whole thing into a «being in the breakaway with Jan Tratnik» show a few years back, and since then I have been in the fan club!
Apparently, at the time, he was one of the heavier riders around but the Norwegian really struggled to hang on, even on the climbs and after a while Tratnik just did all the work and eventually dropped everyone from the breakaway.  I can´t remember exactly which Norwegian it was but most likely Vegard Breen or Carl Fredrik Hagen.

In the Bergen worlds I was sitting in the switchback turns section a few hundred meters up towards Fløyen from the «bike change station» next to a few girls from the Slovenian team and a group of other ...very very pro-Tratnik Slovenians. They were so pro-Tratnik they all went home, just before Roglic was on his way up (I wondered if there was some sort of rift between those two after that, as it was a bit demonstrative «we will leave now before Roglic comes» over it).
 
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Drummer Boy on March 13, 2020, 10:40
Turns out that that Michael Woods #ef crash was serious.

He sustained a broken femur and was operated on at a hospital in Lyon.  :(
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Mellow Velo on March 13, 2020, 10:59
Apparently Sunday's stage will definitely be cancelled, but ASO wants to push through till Saturday evening.

There was a voting among the teams, 11 wanted to continue and 5 to cancel the race - among them #bahrain Bahrain, who will not start today, no matter what, if the reports are true.

 Not sure if this isn't partly in response to the Belgian races being cancelled, as finishing with Saturday's stage appears logical.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: Echoes on March 13, 2020, 11:42
Turns out that that Michael Woods #ef crash was serious.

He sustained a broken femur and was operated on at a hospital in Lyon.  :(

Not the best moment to be taken to hospital :(
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: t-72 on March 13, 2020, 22:28
Stage 6 of the Paris-Nice this year could easily end up as the stage of the year. Despite team withdrawals, corona virus and all that:
#sunweb Sunweb today deserved a triple thumbs off  :cool :cool :cool for excellent plans, perfect execution and finally, running off with another stage win, a very well deserved one too!


#sunweb Nikias Arndt launched up to the breakaway
#sunweb Søren Kragh Andersen fiercely attacked at approx 30 km and linked up with Arndt
#sunweb Søren Kragh Andersen eventually made the front group with #ag2r Bardet and #cofidis Edet
#sunweb Søren Kragh Andersen dropped Edet and then later, on the climb  :S dropped #ag2r Bardet (!)
At this point it was evidens that SKA would at some point get caught but then
#sunweb Fantas-Tiesj attacked from the main group, got some more help and caught up with Søren Kragh Andersen and rested on his wheel for about one minutes then just went on straight ahead to take the victory
Despite #bora chasing, despite #quickstep chasing: today was the day for the little brothers to challenge and win
 - and take second place as well
#sunweb Sunweb should consieder just not starting tomorrow; the equivalent of dropping the microphone. Their team performance in the Paris Nice is already a victory, they don´t need to crown it with a top 10 GC. Just say 2 stages, that was objectives, accomplished, thank you!

Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: search on March 14, 2020, 08:05
seems like we will get another stage. Quintana looks like the hot favorite, but this could also explode right from the start, especially if teams send their 2nd man (#ef Kangert, #sunweb Matthews, #groupama Molard, for example) up the road - I guess we shouldn't expect normal WT racing from a peloton of 90.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: t-72 on March 14, 2020, 09:47
I guess with the big lead that Schachmann has, the only thing that can break him is, if he completely chokes on this climb. The only way that can be accomplished is sustained high tempo on the climb. Not just quick accelration and bursts of speed, but dragging him into his red zone for minutes and keeping him there. Was that Yates, last year? or Alaphilippe, the year before that?
Things happen on these penultimate stages. It is early in the season and the number of racing days affect riders performance as some have better restitution than others. Despite all the non-starters and withdrawals the field is actually packed with the kind of cyclists that fit the description: high-endurance climbers with excellent restitution:
#ag2r Romain Bardet
#groupama Thibaut Pinot
#trek Vincenzo Nibali
#arkea Nairo Quintana
...and honorable mention (still better than Schachmann on this terrain, on most days):
#ef Sergio Higuita
...and #bora Grossschartner

Almost all of these will be looking for the opportunity to bring something home, and for the majority of them, it´s the stage win that is realistic, and GC win possible bonus only if Schachmann collapses. Bora could play a good defensive game here by putting Grossschartner on the wheel of the attackers in the front group while using
Konrad to pace Schachmann up the climb at a suitable speed for the latter. He is in a very good shape at the moment and may be able to limit losses and keep the #yellow.
Quintana is the best of the climbers right now, but he is very far down in GC so decision could be, if Quintana gets away for the stage win, can Nibali or Higuita or Grossschartner follow him for the GC win?

My best bet would be Higuita, but I still think Schachmann won´t be too far behind.
Title: Re: Paris-Nice 2020
Post by: t-72 on March 14, 2020, 21:53
What? No round-up yet?
I was to busy skiing this afternoon to watch the stage live and now, after watching it recorded, I guess the greatest stage race of the season deserves a proper discussion. First and forekomst, despite everything because they actually made a great race out of it, once again. Paris-Nice is now to Tour de France what the original version of the Lord of the rings film is to the extended bod set: contains all the same important elements and better because it is more compact. I don´t know if 3 week racing will ever fade from popularity, but it is ironic that ASO also has the better nails for the coffin (along with the Tour de Suisse organizers). 
From cold rainshowers and crosswinds (and in this edition, cobbled climbs too!) of Paris basin to the plains of the Centre through the Rhone region to the Alpes-Maritimes: the GC winner of the Paris-Nice needs to be comfortable across a range of conditions that is otherwise only seen - in the Tour de France proper.
Unlike the bigger brother, the Paris-Nice is sometimes contested by riders that are more classics riders than typical grand tour riders. This is actually a bit puzzling, given the similarities between the races. Maybe Alaphilippe is the archetypical rider that demonstranter this similarity, as he can flop equally after initially great performance in both of them. At least twice now in the Paris-Nice, although his TdF failure attracted loads more of the attention he obviously loves.  :P
Today we got the expected in terms of stage win by Quintana, and to be fair, if he hadn´t crashed on stage 2 he´d probably won it all. I am flabbergasted as he seems to be the one and only rider I have seen so far that actually Improved with #arkea. If this actually happened (pinches arm) I think it is fair to ask questions concerning the quality of the management at #movistar. This year he´s riding like it is 2013 again (I noticed several people commented that). I will be more presise: since July 6th, 2013, when he attacked up the Col de Pailheres. The stage is more famous for Chris Froome monster attack up the final climb to Ax-3 Domaines - possibly the best he ever did - but Quintana can´t ever be Froome - he is most spectacular  when he attacks miles from home on a loooooooooooooooooong climb and just keeps going. That happened ever more seldom in his time with Movistar although a few that have fond memories of the Graubünden region cannot forget his attack out of Chur on the Arosa stage of the Tour de Suisse in 2017, that made us hope «old Quintana» was back. This year, he is closer than ever and «partiets like 2013» - but it is the wrong year :(
The other spesialist climbers didn´t really impress that much, instead we get these quite young classics riders raining on their parade. The sun was shining, it was spring in the Alpes-Maritimes, the weather couldn´t be better for climbin Le Colmiane (come July, if it comes, the riders will be baking on this climb and adapting to hot weather  will be a major issue.) Who would have thought that #sunweb Tiesj Benoît should leave #trek Nibali, #ef Sergio Higuita, #groupama Thibaut Pinot and not to mention #ag2r Bardet behind on this climb? It wasn´t by luck either, he timed his final attack and distanced the rest except Nairito.
Not to mention #bora #champde #yellow Schachmann, who seems to have a very similar skill set to Benoot. Yellow from day 1 to the finish on top of Colmiane. Stage win with a sprint from a small group on a stage best described as cobbled as it actually faeatured cobbles and short climbs.. Hanging on from there, and riding very well on selected stages? 

Phenomenal ride! Chapeu! Put him on the list of possible GC candidates for the TdF 2021.