Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 20, 2020, 15:17
You need to pick a team of 8 riders taking part in the Tour, who have a total cost on CQ current rankings (on download to be dated 23 August, presumably available from afternoon of 24th) not exceeding 4000 points. Your success (or otherwise) is measured by the CQ points gained by the riders in the Tour.
You can find rider prices, the points scoring system, and a selector tool, here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fsciltABJytKjCqQPLeHlUGW3SAvYon3/view?usp=sharing). There is also a secondary game (the Green points classification) based on your riders' daily positions, regardless of GC and other classifications.
Send your entries in CQ format (Surname, then forename: Danish, Portuguese, Eritrean and Spanish-language names can be difficult, please help me out by looking for the rider on CQranking.com and giving their version of the name, or use the selection tool) by PM on CyclingNews or Velorooms before the race starts at 2pm (French time) on 29th August. However, please do not try to enter before the appropriate scores are fixed on Monday evening: scores in the selection tool are only an indication until then (and will change due to Nationals and Wallonie/Emilia).
Non-starters or being over budget will be resolved by subbing in the next most expensive from the same team if possible, or next most expensive in the field if not. If you don't leave it to the last minute, I will be able to alert you and let you know the substitution that would happen.
Good luck, and enjoy the game. Any questions, PM me or ask in this thread.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 20, 2020, 15:27
Prices are not as low as you might imagine (or hope). What I think CQ have done for their current rankings is to include not only all results in the last 12 months (as per usual), but also results from 2019 races that had their 2020 equivalent rescheduled by the time it was due to start. (Their explanation:"If on the day of the (postponed) race - or the last day of a stage race - the new date has NOT been announced, the points scored in the previous year will be subtracted in our rankings. If the new date has been published, these points will be retained until the new race date."
So to look at Rui Costa, as an example, his score (download of 16 August) is 500 points:
326 from races in 2020, so nothing unusual
80 from the World Championships (less than a year ago, 2020 version not yet held, same as any other year)
71 from the Canadian GPs (cancelled this year, but still less than a year ago)
23 from last year's Tour de France (more than a year ago, but it was rescheduled before the anniversary date)
His score does not include points from the 2019 Milan-Torino (less than a year ago, but 2020 edition already held), nor his points from earlier than 22/08/19 (except the Tour) That means that his Tirreno Adriatico and BrabantsePijl/Fleche/AmstelGR points from last year are not in his current price (the 2020 versions have not yet been held, but as of the date the 2020 versions were to take place, they had not yet been rescheduled).
So in short, 2019 points for the Tour and the Giro (and a few other races probably) are still in there although they were more than a year ago, but riders who would probably have gained points in the spring classics or stage races like Romandie/Suisse/Catalunia/Basque Country/Tirreno-Adriatico are cheaper this year than they would be most years.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 24, 2020, 21:23
So the game is now fully open: looking forward to receiving your teams (and ChrisDK will receive mine some time this evening).
Post by: search on August 25, 2020, 10:38
 | INEOS GRENADIERS |  |  | AG2R LA MONDIALE | | |
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley | 1304 | BARDET Romain | 525 | |||
| AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey | 172 | CHEREL Mikael | 89 | |||
| CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio | 996 | COSNEFROY Benoît | 488 | |||
| CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan | 86 | LATOUR Pierre | 136 | |||
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | 178 | NAESEN Oliver | 661 | |||
| ROWE Luke | 20 | PETERS Nans | 228 | |||
| SIVAKOV Pavel | 564 | VENTURINI Clément | 308 | |||
| VAN BAARLE Dylan | 341 | VUILLERMOZ Alexis | 108 | |||
| 3661 | 2543 | |||||
 | ASTANA PRO TEAM | |  | B&B HOTELS - VITAL CONCEPT | | |
| LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel | 852 | COQUARD Bryan | 262 | |||
| FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar | 103 | BARTHE Cyril | 66 | |||
| HOULE Hugo | 87 | CHEVALIER Maxime | 27 | |||
| IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka | 486 | DEBUSSCHERE Jens | 50 | |||
| IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion | 344 | GAUTIER Cyril | 86 | |||
| LUTSENKO Alexey | 665 | PACHER Quentin | 126 | |||
| SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon | 342 | REZA Kévin | 5 | |||
| TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso | 41 | ROLLAND Pierre | 144 | |||
| 2920 | 766 | |||||
 | BAHRAIN - MCLAREN | |  | BORA - HANSGROHE | | |
| BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello | 485 | BUCHMANN Emanuel | 507 | |||
| CARUSO Damiano | 330 | GROSSSCHARTNER Felix | 284 | |||
| COLBRELLI Sonny | 648 | KÄMNA Lennard | 394 | |||
| HALLER Marco | 135 | MÜHLBERGER Gregor | 375 | |||
| LANDA MEANA Mikel | 981 | OSS Daniel | 66 | |||
| MOHORIC Matej | 221 | PÖSTLBERGER Lukas | 73 | |||
| POELS Wout | 198 | SAGAN Peter | 1036 | |||
| VALLS FERRI Rafael | 120 | SCHACHMANN Maximilian | 823 | |||
| 3118 | 3558 | |||||
 | CCC TEAM | |  | COFIDIS | | |
| DE MARCHI Alessandro | 183 | VIVIANI Elia | 1017 | |||
| GESCHKE Simon | 359 | CONSONNI Simone | 215 | |||
| HIRT Jan | 115 | EDET Nicolas | 263 | |||
| KOCH Jonas | 105 | HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus | 556 | |||
| SCHÄR Michael | 82 | LAPORTE Christophe | 465 | |||
| TRENTIN Matteo | 1053 | MARTIN Guillaume | 816 | |||
| VAN AVERMAET Greg | 1205 | PEREZ Anthony | 131 | |||
| ZAKARIN Ilnur | 324 | PERICHON Pierre-Luc | 34 | |||
| 3426 | 3497 | |||||
 | DECEUNINCK - QUICK-STEP | |  | EF EDUCATION FIRST | | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | 1335 | URAN URAN Rigoberto | 308 | |||
| ASGREEN Kasper | 478 | BETTIOL Alberto | 296 | |||
| BENNETT Sam | 948 | CARTHY Hugh | 249 | |||
| CAVAGNA Rémi | 407 | HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres | 689 | |||
| DECLERCQ Tim | 126 | KEUKELEIRE Jens | 195 | |||
| DEVENYNS Dries | 309 | MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 725 | |||
| JUNGELS Bob | 162 | POWLESS Neilson | 255 | |||
| MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael | 226 | VAN GARDEREN Tejay | 20 | |||
| 3991 | 2737 | |||||
 | GROUPAMA - FDJ | |  | ISRAEL START-UP NATION | | |
| PINOT Thibaut | 778 | MARTIN Daniel | 246 | |||
| BONNET William | 20 | GREIPEL André | 116 | |||
| GAUDU David | 346 | HERMANS Ben | 149 | |||
| KÜNG Stefan | 724 | HOFSTETTER Hugo | 244 | |||
| LADAGNOUS Matthieu | 30 | NEILANDS Krists | 336 | |||
| MADOUAS Valentin | 300 | NIV Guy | 34 | |||
| MOLARD Rudy | 338 | POLITT Nils | 243 | |||
| REICHENBACH Sébastien | 225 | VAN ASBROECK Tom | 342 | |||
| 2761 | 1710 | |||||
 | LOTTO SOUDAL | |  | MITCHELTON - SCOTT | | |
| CRAS Steff | 61 | YATES Adam | 516 | |||
| DE BUYST Jasper | 390 | BAUER Jack | 142 | |||
| DE GENDT Thomas | 294 | BEWLEY Sam | 20 | |||
| DEGENKOLB John | 187 | CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban | 442 | |||
| EWAN Caleb | 1388 | IMPEY Daryl | 526 | |||
| FRISON Frederik | 79 | JUUL JENSEN Christopher | 50 | |||
| GILBERT Philippe | 510 | MEZGEC Luka | 179 | |||
| KLUGE Roger | 91 | NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel | 409 | |||
| 3000 | 2284 | |||||
 | MOVISTAR TEAM | |  | NTT PRO CYCLING TEAM | | |
| VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro | 1160 | BOASSON HAGEN Edvald | 106 | |||
| CATALDO Dario | 162 | GIBBONS Ryan | 169 | |||
| ERVITI OLLO Imanol | 51 | GOGL Michael | 100 | |||
| MAS NICOLAU Enric | 390 | KREUZIGER Roman | 140 | |||
| OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes | 181 | NIZZOLO Giacomo | 825 | |||
| ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin | 130 | POZZOVIVO Domenico | 130 | |||
| SOLER GIMENEZ Marc | 383 | VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael | 488 | |||
| VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos | 30 | WALSCHEID Maximilian | 277 | |||
| 2487 | 2235 | |||||
 | TEAM ARKÉA - SAMSIC | |  | TEAM JUMBO - VISMA | | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 1380 | ROGLIC Primoz | 2073 | |||
| ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew | 19 | BENNETT George | 700 | |||
| BARGUIL Warren | 550 | DUMOULIN Tom | 139 | |||
| LEDANOIS Kévin | 120 | GESINK Robert | 126 | |||
| QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney | 27 | JANSEN Amund Grøndahl | 203 | |||
| ROSA Diego | 356 | KUSS Sepp | 365 | |||
| RUSSO Clément | 78 | MARTIN Tony | 165 | |||
| SWIFT Connor | 75 | VAN AERT Wout | 956 | |||
| 2605 | 4727 | |||||
 | TEAM SUNWEB | |  | TOTAL DIRECT ENERGIE | | |
| ANDERSEN Søren Kragh | 229 | CALMEJANE Lilian | 241 | |||
| ARNDT Nikias | 153 | BONIFAZIO Niccolo | 266 | |||
| BENOOT Tiesj | 702 | BURGAUDEAU Mathieu | 17 | |||
| BOL Cees | 146 | COUSIN Jérôme | 29 | |||
| HIRSCHI Marc | 203 | GRELLIER Fabien | 23 | |||
| NIEUWENHUIS Joris | 12 | SICARD Romain | 43 | |||
| PEDERSEN Casper Phillip | 40 | SOUPE Geoffrey | 40 | |||
| ROCHE Nicolas | 181 | TURGIS Anthony | 409 | |||
| 1666 | 1068 | |||||
 | TREK - SEGAFREDO | |  | UAE TEAM EMIRATES | | |
| MOLLEMA Bauke | 976 | ARU Fabio | 247 | |||
| EG Niklas | 116 | DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David | 220 | |||
| ELISSONDE Kenny | 105 | FORMOLO Davide | 439 | |||
| PEDERSEN Mads | 665 | KRISTOFF Alexander | 644 | |||
| PORTE Richie | 761 | LAENGEN Vegard Stake | 35 | |||
| SKUJINS Toms | 149 | MARCATO Marco | 43 | |||
| STUYVEN Jasper | 791 | POGACAR Tadej | 1431 | |||
| THEUNS Edward | 389 | POLANC Jan | 296 | |||
| 3952 | 3355 |
Post by: search on August 26, 2020, 15:37
edit: Cavagna in, Stybar out
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 27, 2020, 13:54
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 27, 2020, 14:57
Four different riders costing more than twice the average 500 pts/man have been selected.
Don't forget to send your selection in.
Post by: just some guy on August 27, 2020, 16:41
Post by: rote_laterne on August 29, 2020, 09:46
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 10:10
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 13:34
30 teams (listed alphabetically), 62 riders selected (listed by price in their teams), 19 unique picks (indicated here by an asterisk)
Amis Velo
ROGLIC Primoz
PINOT Thibaut
BUCHMANN Emanuel
GIBBONS Ryan
HERMANS Ben
BOL Cees
DUMOULIN Tom
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
ArchieBoy
VAN AERT Wout
PINOT Thibaut
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
SIVAKOV Pavel
BUCHMANN Emanuel
MEZGEC Luka
BOL Cees
ROLLAND Pierre
Armchair Cyclist
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
PINOT Thibaut
KÄMNA Lennard
URAN URAN Rigoberto
DEGENKOLB John
DUMOULIN Tom
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
Bicycle Boy
ROGLIC Primoz
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
POELS Wout
HERMANS Ben
DUMOULIN Tom
ELISSONDE Kenny
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
BikeRacer33
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
PINOT Thibaut
BARDET Romain
FORMOLO Davide
KÄMNA Lennard
BONIFAZIO Niccolo *
DUMOULIN Tom
ELISSONDE Kenny
Blues in the Bottle
ROGLIC Primoz
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
COQUARD Bryan
JUNGELS Bob *
DUMOULIN Tom
NIV Guy *
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
REZA Kévin
Bminchow
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
SAGAN Peter
PINOT Thibaut
URAN URAN Rigoberto
MARTIN Daniel
DUMOULIN Tom
LATOUR Pierre
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
ChrisDK
VAN AERT Wout
NIZZOLO Giacomo
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
KÄMNA Lennard
DE GENDT Thomas
POELS Wout
DUMOULIN Tom
Comodoro
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
PINOT Thibaut
BARDET Romain
BUCHMANN Emanuel
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
BOL Cees
DUMOULIN Tom
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
Del1962
ROGLIC Primoz
PINOT Thibaut
BARDET Romain
MARTIN Daniel
DUMOULIN Tom
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
ELISSONDE Kenny
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
DJSprtsch
SAGAN Peter
NIZZOLO Giacomo
PINOT Thibaut
PEDERSEN Mads *
URAN URAN Rigoberto
ROLLAND Pierre
DUMOULIN Tom
ELISSONDE Kenny
Googolplex
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
BENNETT Sam
PINOT Thibaut
KUSS Sepp
ARU Fabio
BOL Cees
DUMOULIN Tom
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas *
Josedin
ALAPHILIPPE Julian
PINOT Thibaut
BUCHMANN Emanuel
KÄMNA Lennard
DE GENDT Thomas
COQUARD Bryan
REICHENBACH Sébastien *
DE MARCHI Alessandro *
Just Some Guy
POGACAR Tadej
PINOT Thibaut
BUCHMANN Emanuel
MAS NICOLAU Enric
DE GENDT Thomas
COQUARD Bryan
GIBBONS Ryan
DUMOULIN Tom
Koronin
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro *
PINOT Thibaut
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus *
MAS NICOLAU Enric
KUSS Sepp
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon *
COQUARD Bryan
DUMOULIN Tom
Laarsland
BENNETT Sam
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
NIZZOLO Giacomo
PINOT Thibaut
MEZGEC Luka
DUMOULIN Tom
LATOUR Pierre
POZZOVIVO Domenico
LeadBelly
MARTIN Guillaume
PINOT Thibaut
SIVAKOV Pavel
BARDET Romain
BUCHMANN Emanuel
FORMOLO Davide
HERMANS Ben
DUMOULIN Tom
Mellow Velo
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
LANDA MEANA Mikel *
PINOT Thibaut
BUCHMANN Emanuel
BOL Cees
DUMOULIN Tom
POZZOVIVO Domenico
REZA Kévin
Northerner
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
PINOT Thibaut
BARDET Romain
MARTIN Daniel
ROLLAND Pierre
DUMOULIN Tom
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
Otoxiep87
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
PINOT Thibaut
BUCHMANN Emanuel
MEZGEC Luka
BOL Cees
DUMOULIN Tom
CRAS Steff *
Pirate81
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
PINOT Thibaut
BENNETT George
BUCHMANN Emanuel
KÄMNA Lennard
DUMOULIN Tom
POZZOVIVO Domenico
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
Ray10
VAN AERT Wout
PINOT Thibaut
BENNETT George
BUCHMANN Emanuel
KÄMNA Lennard
GAUDU David *
KWIATKOWSKI Michal *
DUMOULIN Tom
Rote Laterne
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander *
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
PINOT Thibaut
URAN URAN Rigoberto
DUMOULIN Tom
DEBUSSCHERE Jens *
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos *
REZA Kévin
SafeBet
ALAPHILIPPE Julian
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
PINOT Thibaut
COQUARD Bryan
DUMOULIN Tom
LATOUR Pierre
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew *
Salvarani
POGACAR Tadej
MARTIN Guillaume
PINOT Thibaut
DE GENDT Thomas
MARTIN Daniel
BOL Cees
ROLLAND Pierre
DUMOULIN Tom
Scrool07
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
PINOT Thibaut
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
BARDET Romain
KÄMNA Lennard
KUSS Sepp
HIRSCHI Marc
DUMOULIN Tom
Search
BENNETT Sam
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
PINOT Thibaut
BARDET Romain
URAN URAN Rigoberto
MOHORIC Matej *
HIRSCHI Marc
DUMOULIN Tom
Shalgo
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
BENNETT Sam
PINOT Thibaut
URAN URAN Rigoberto
DEGENKOLB John
GIBBONS Ryan
ROLLAND Pierre
DUMOULIN Tom
TRiley36
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
PINOT Thibaut
SIVAKOV Pavel
BUCHMANN Emanuel
URAN URAN Rigoberto
ARU Fabio
ROLLAND Pierre
DUMOULIN Tom
Yellow Knight
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
SAGAN Peter
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
BUCHMANN Emanuel
HERMANS Ben
DUMOULIN Tom
ELISSONDE Kenny
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
Post by: just some guy on August 29, 2020, 14:00
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 14:41
When 3 managers were able to ignore the hype around Remco Evenepoel for the edition of the Emerging Riders game for which he was eligible I should have admitted to myself that 100% selection of a rider in a CQ game would never happen. But Tom Dumoulin available here at 139 points, it seemed likely.
No.
28 teams (out of 30): DUMOULIN Tom
26: PINOT Thibaut
16: BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
12: BUCHMANN Emanuel
7: BARDET Romain, BOL Cees, KÄMNA Lennard, URAN URAN Rigoberto, VAN GARDEREN Tejay
(The Collective Wisdom team will be the 4 riders on a dozen or more teams, plus 80% of the total of the five men selected seven times, it is quite a long way under budget at 3842)
6: LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel, ROLLAND Pierre
5: COQUARD Bryan, ELISSONDE Kenny
4: BENNETT Sam, DE GENDT Thomas, HERMANS Ben, MARTIN Daniel, MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe, ROGLIC Primoz
3: GIBBONS Ryan, KUSS Sepp, LATOUR Pierre, MEZGEC Luka, NIZZOLO Giacomo, POZZOVIVO Domenico, REZA Kévin, SAGAN Peter, SIVAKOV Pavel, VAN AERT Wout
2: ALAPHILIPPE Julian, ARU Fabio, BENNETT George, BOASSON HAGEN Edvald, CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban, DEGENKOLB John, FORMOLO Davide, HIRSCHI Marc, MARTIN Guillaume, MAS NICOLAU Enric, NIEUWENHUIS Joris, POELS Wout, POGACAR Tadej, TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
Maybe ArchieBoy and Josedin will let us know why they thought Pierre Rolland and Alessandro De Marchi respectively were likely to score more than Dumoulin.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 15:22
1= Comodoro 100
1= Triley36 100
3= Armchair_Cyclist 99
3= Otoxiep87 99
5= Mellow_Velo 96
5= Pirate81 96
7 Northerner 95
8= BikeRacer33 92
8= Shalgo 92
10 AmisVelo 91
11 Bminchow 89
12 SafeBet 88
13 Googolplex 87
14 Leadbelly 84
15= Del1962 83
15= Rote_Laterne 83
15= Scrool07 83
18 JustSomeGuy 82
19 Search 81
20 Ray10 80
21= DJSprtsch 79
21= Salvarani 79
21= Yellow_Knight 79
24 Laarsland 76
25 BicycleBoy 68
26 Koronin 67
27 BluesInTheBottle 65
28 ArchieBoy 64
29 Josedin 58
30 ChrisDK 53
Collective_Wisdom 110
Main picks
The average budget per rider is 500pts: the riders who cost 1.5x that or more are:
Roglic and Bernal: Blues in the Bottle, Bicycle Boy
Roglic and Pinot: Amis Velo, Del1962
Pogacar with G Martin and Pinot: Salvarani
Pogacar and Pinot: Just Some Guy
Quintana with Bernal and Pinot: Rote Laterne
Alaphilippe with Bernal and Pinot: SafeBet
Alaphilippe and Pinot: Josedin
Bernal with Sagan: Yellow Knight
Bernal with Sagan and Pinot: Bminchow
Bernal with Landa and Pinot: Mellow Velo
Bernal with S Bennett and Pinot: Googolplex, Shalgo
Bernal with Lopez and Pinot: Armchair Cyclist, Northerner, Otoxiep
Bernal and Pinot: BikeRacer33, Comodoro, Pirate81, TRiley37
Valverde and Pinot: Koronin
Sagan with Nizzolo and Pinot: DJSprtsch
Van Aert and Nizzolo: ChrisDK
Van Aert and Pinot: ArchieBoy, Ray 10
S Bennett with Lopez and Pinot: Search
Lopez and Pinot: Scrool07
G Martin and Pinot: Leadbelly
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 17:54
If anything unscheduled happens that would affect scoring, I will avoid ever having to make a decision by following the point allocation of CQRankings.com.
I might not post the link to the spreadsheet in every evening's updates, but it should be synchronised on Google Drive, and be available here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing) throughout.
Post by: Mellow Velo on August 29, 2020, 19:10
Wow MV only 1 with Landa :0
He went OK on the big hills in the Dauphine, just lost time in that final frenetic stage.
There a lot of big climbs in this race and he's solo leader.
That was my thinking.
Out of interest, this was my first team selected.
ROGLIC Primoz
PINOT Thibaut
BUCHMANN Emanuel
ZAKARIN Ilnur
BOL Cees
DUMOULIN Tom
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew
REZA Kévin
Be interesting to see which lot do best.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 21:38
Green points
I'm not sure that we have any new managers this time around, but in case we have, or anyone has forgotten, these are the stage points for the first 10 finishers in each stage, distributed 80, 50, 35, 25, 15, 10, 5, 3, 2, 1.
1 DJSprtsch 70 (Pedersen, Sagan and Nizzolo)
2 Googolplex 60 (Bol and Bennett)
3= AmisVelo, ArchieBoy, Comodoro, Mellow_Velo, Otoxiep87, Salvarani 35 (Bol)
9 Laarsland 30 (Bennett and Nizzolo)
10= Search, Shalgo, 25 (Bennett)
12= Bminchow, Yellow_Knight 15 (Sagan)
14 ChrisDK 5 (Nizzolo)
15 BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet 3 (Coquard)
20= Everyone else 0
Collective_Wisdom 28
Main game
There are far more points available than the stage points of the green competition, Most importantly, the GC rankings, but also 20 points for wearing the yellow jersey (apart from after stage 21) and points for the KoM and Sprints classifications. So had anyone picked Kristoff, he would give them 80 for today's stage, 20 for being leader (these 100 points would be certain, whereas those that follow can, and for Kristoff surely will, reduce) 600 for top place in GC, and 80 for top in the points classification)
These rankings are therefore about as secure as Kristoff's grasp on the race lead, but we have to start somewhere.
1 DJSprtsch 1233
2 Googolplex 939
3 Laarsland 823
4 ArchieBoy 691
5 Otoxiep87 669
6 Salvarani 641
7 AmisVelo 596
8 Comodoro 584
9 Mellow_Velo 579
10 Search 518
11 Shalgo 515
12 Yellow_Knight 511
13 Bminchow 494
14 JustSomeGuy 435
15 ChrisDK 424
16 BluesInTheBottle 374
17 Koronin 366
18 SafeBet 362
19 Josedin 348
20 BikeRacer33 213
21 BicycleBoy 209
22 Leadbelly 207
23 Northerner 197
24 Scrool07 195
25 Ray10 187
26 Del1962 180
27 Rote_Laterne 178
28 Pirate81 174
28 Triley36 174
30 Armchair_Cyclist 154
Collective_Wisdom 498
And Shalgo and I have both lost a rider already.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 30, 2020, 18:31
Green points
Today
1= Josedin, SafeBet 80 (Alaphilippe)
3= Scrool07, Search 50 (Hirschi)
5= JustSomeGuy, Salvarani 3 (Pogacar)
No-one else scored. A change in the minor classification after discussion before the Vuelta last year means that the two Alaphilippe teams don't get the 20 points for leading the GC table (in this classification, they still get them in the main game).
Standings
SafeBet and Josedin don't only share Alaphilippe, but also Coquard, so they had the same points yesterday and are still not separated in this competition.
1= Josedin 83
1= SafeBet 83
3 Search 75
4 DJSprtsch 70
5 Googolplex 60
6 Scrool07 50
7 Salvarani 38
8= AmisVelo 35
8= ArchieBoy 35
8= Comodoro 35
8= Mellow_Velo 35
8= Otoxiep87 35
Main game
Most of the points are projected points: in previous years I have described that as 'if the Tour were to finish here', but in 2020 that seems unsubtle. But because they are projections they become closer to reality the nearer we get to the end of the race, and scores can go down as well as up (So had anyone picked Kristoff, he had 780 points yesterday (80 for stage win, 20 Yellow jersey points, 600 for top of GC and 80 for top of green jersey), today he has 200 (he can't lose the stage winner and yellow jersey wearer points, even if he doesn't finish the Tour, but his 600 race leader points have dropped to 20 for being 129th on GC, and he still has the lead in the sprints classification, but will probably lose some placings in that over the next three weeks) and so his points difference on the day is -580. And if individual riders can get negative daily scores, so can a team.
The main points changes, as they affect riders selected for our teams:
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 695 2 teams
HIRSCHI Marc 416 2 teams
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 235 2 teams
POGACAR Tadej 205 2 teams
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 174 16 teams
FORMOLO Davide 171 2 teams
DUMOULIN Tom 132 28 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 108 4 teams
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 100 1 team
MARTIN Guillaume 90 2 teams
BUCHMANN Emanuel 80 12 teams
---
COQUARD Bryan -183 5 teams
NIZZOLO Giacomo -210 3 teams
SAGAN Peter -255 3 teams
BENNETT Sam -300 4 teams
BOL Cees -370 7 teams
PEDERSEN Mads -470 1 team
Scores will probably not fluctuate this violently most days:
1 SafeBet 909 (Alaphilippe, Bernal, Dumoulin, but Coquard)
2 Scrool07 636(Hirschi and Dumoulin)
3 Josedin 617 (Alaphilippe, but Coquard: A rare Dumoulin-less team)
4 BikeRacer33 588 (Bernal, Formolo and Dumoulin)
5 Leadbelly 543
6 Triley36 501
7 Rote_Laterne 464
8 BicycleBoy 432
8 Pirate81 432
10 Northerner 429
11 Armchair_Cyclist 399
12 Search 388
13 Del1962 351
14 Comodoro 321
15 JustSomeGuy 303
16 Ray10 252
17 BluesInTheBottle 231
18 Bminchow 181
19 Yellow_Knight 160
20 ChrisDK 136
21 Salvarani 125
22 Koronin 123
23 Shalgo 102
24 Mellow_Velo 76
25 Otoxiep87 -20
26 AmisVelo -38
27 ArchieBoy -333
28 Googolplex -334
28 Laarsland -334
30 DJSprtsch -655
Collective_Wisdom 182
Standings
No real correspondence to yesterday's table: the top two have both risen 17 places and Scrool 19.
That looks like an enormous, as if unsurmountable, lead already: how realistic it is, like the GC tables in last year's tour, depends on the durability of Alaphilippe's tenure of yellow.
1 SafeBet 1271
2 Josedin 965
3 Search 906
4 Comodoro 905
5 Scrool07 831
6 BikeRacer33 801
7 Salvarani 766
8 Leadbelly 750
9 JustSomeGuy 738
10 Bminchow 675
10 Triley36 675
12 Yellow_Knight 671
13 Mellow_Velo 655
14 Otoxiep87 649
15 Rote_Laterne 642
16 BicycleBoy 641
17 Northerner 626
18 Shalgo 617
19 Pirate81 606
20 BluesInTheBottle 605
20 Googolplex 605
22 DJSprtsch 578
23 ChrisDK 560
24 AmisVelo 558
25 Armchair_Cyclist 553
26 Del1962 531
27 Koronin 489
27 Laarsland 489
29 Ray10 439
30 ArchieBoy 358
Collective_Wisdom 680
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 31, 2020, 19:38
I waited a while in case Sam Bennett was relegated, but I'm assuming that if it hasn't been announced by now, it won't happen.
Green points
Today
1 Laarsland 85 (Bennett and Nizzolo)
2 Googolplex 55 (Bennett and Bol)
3= DJSprtsch (Nizzolo and Sagan), Search, Shalgo (Bennett) 50
6 ChrisDK 35
7 Bminchow, Yellow_Knight 15
9= AmisVelo, ArchieBoy, Comodoro, Mellow_Velo, Otoxiep87, Salvarani 5
15= BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet 2
20 BikeRacer33 1
21 The rest 0
Standings
1 Search 125 (+2)
2 DJSprtsch 120 (+2)
3= Googolplex 115 (+2)
3= Laarsland 115 (+10)
5= Josedin 85 (-4)
5= SafeBet 85 (-4)
7 Shalgo 75 (+7)
8 Scrool07 50
9 Salvarani 43
10= AmisVelo 40
10= ArchieBoy 40
10= ChrisDK 40
10= Comodoro 40
10= Mellow_Velo 40
10= Otoxiep87 40
Main Game
On sprint or breakaway stages, there are often few changes other than those in the Green classification, but while so many riders are on the same time, cumulative positions cause some GC changes.
DUMOULIN Tom 70 28 teams
MARTIN Guillaume 70 2
FORMOLO Davide 60 2
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 60 16
BENNETT Sam 60 4
NIZZOLO Giacomo 45 3
SAGAN Peter 45 3
POGACAR Tadej 30 2
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 30 1
BARDET Romain 21 7
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 20 1
---
KWIATKOWSKI Michal -15 1
LATOUR Pierre -16 3
ELISSONDE Kenny -16 5
ROGLIC Primoz -40 4
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban -100 2
Today
1 Leadbelly 221 (Dumoulin, Martin, Formolo, Bardet)
2 Googolplex 208 (Dumoulin, Bernal, Bennett)
3 BikeRacer33 202 (Dumoulin, Bernal, Bennett and Bardet, but Elissonde)
4 Laarsland 182
5 Shalgo 178
6 Salvarani 174
7 Northerner 163
8 Search 160
9 Bminchow 157
10 Yellow_Knight 155
11 Otoxiep87 154
12 Mellow_Velo 151
13 Rote_Laterne 148
14 Armchair_Cyclist 144
15 Pirate81 132
15 SafeBet 132
17 DJSprtsch 123
18 Triley36 114
19 Scrool07 112
20 BluesInTheBottle 95
20 Koronin 95
22 JustSomeGuy 93
23 BicycleBoy 74
24 Comodoro 59
25 Ray10 46
26 Del1962 41
27 AmisVelo 38
28 Josedin 10
29 ChrisDK 7
30 ArchieBoy -10
Collective_Wisdom 147
Standings
SafeBet still has that huge lead, but Search moves up one place, and Bikeracer three. Leadbelly (also 3 places) and Bminchow are also heading the right way within the top ten, and Googolplex has moved up 8.
1 SafeBet 1403
2 Search 1066
3 BikeRacer33 1003
4 Josedin 975
5 Leadbelly 971
6 Comodoro 964
7 Scrool07 943
8 Salvarani 940
9 Bminchow 832
10 JustSomeGuy 831
11 Yellow_Knight 826
12 Googolplex 813
13 Mellow_Velo 806
14 Otoxiep87 803
15 Shalgo 795
16 Rote_Laterne 790
17 Northerner 789
17 Triley36 789
19 Pirate81 738
20 BicycleBoy 715
21 DJSprtsch 701
22 BluesInTheBottle 700
23 Armchair_Cyclist 697
24 Laarsland 671
25 AmisVelo 596
26 Koronin 584
27 Del1962 572
28 ChrisDK 567
29 Ray10 485
30 ArchieBoy 348
Collective_Wisdom 827
I guess we will find out tomorrow whether Alaphippe (and therefore SafeBet and Josedin) is a true yellow jersey contender, or just a holder in the early stages.
Post by: bikeracer33 on August 31, 2020, 22:30
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 01, 2020, 11:32
I don't have Bennett on my teamMy habit of copying and editing sentences, because I am of an age not to have grown up at a keyboard, has been unveiled. Sorry for the error
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 01, 2020, 19:15
Green points
Today
If you get 2nd and 3rd, you can beat a team that has the stage winner
1 Salvarani 88 (Pogacar, Martin and Pinot)
2= BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle 85 (Roglic and Pogacar)
4 AmisVelo, Del1962 83 (Roglic and Pinot)
6 JustSomeGuy 53 (Pogacar and Pinot)
7 Leadbelly 38
8 Rote_Laterne 33
9 SafeBet 23
10= Armchair_Cyclist, Josedin, Northerner, Otoxiep87 18
14= Laarsland, Scrool07, Search 13
17 Mellow_Velo 10
18= BikeRacer33, Bminchow, Comodoro, Googolplex, Pirate81, Shalgo, Triley36 8
25 Yellow_Knight 5
26= ArchieBoy, DJSprtsch, Koronin, Ray10 3
30 ChrisDK 0
Standings
To celebrate everyone getting off the mark, I'll post that whole table: Salvarani moved up 7 places to second, and Blues in the Bottle, Bicycle Boy and Del all move 10 places or more.
1 Search 138
2 Salvarani 131
3 Laarsland 128
4 AmisVelo 123
4 DJSprtsch 123
4 Googolplex 123
7 SafeBet 108
8 Josedin 103
9 BluesInTheBottle 90
10 BicycleBoy 85
11 Del1962 83
11 Shalgo 83
13 Scrool07 63
14 JustSomeGuy 61
15 Otoxiep87 58
16 Mellow_Velo 50
17 Comodoro 48
18 ArchieBoy 43
19 ChrisDK 40
20 Bminchow 38
20 Leadbelly 38
22 Yellow_Knight 35
23 Rote_Laterne 33
24 Armchair_Cyclist 18
24 Northerner 18
26 BikeRacer33 9
27 Koronin 8
27 Pirate81 8
27 Triley36 8
30 Ray10 3
Collective_Wisdom 8
Main Game
The less obvious points are mainly gained by riders overtaking those who fell out of the 17 second group.
ROGLIC Primoz 395 4 teams
MARTIN Guillaume 155 2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 103 6
POGACAR Tadej 77 2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 66 1
LANDA MEANA Mikel 65 1
PINOT Thibaut 64 26
URAN URAN Rigoberto 49 7
BARDET Romain 42 7
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 40 2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 38 2
---
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon -40 1
FORMOLO Davide -231 2
HIRSCHI Marc -318 2
Today
1 Del1962 507 (Roglic, Pinot, Bardet)
2 AmisVelo 451 (Roglic, Pinot)
3 BicycleBoy 406
4 BluesInTheBottle 398
5 Salvarani 296
6 Armchair_Cyclist 221
7 Northerner 216
8 Rote_Laterne 184
9 Laarsland 180
10 Otoxiep87 164
11 JustSomeGuy 150
12 Comodoro 143
13 Mellow_Velo 136
14 Shalgo 135
15 DJSprtsch 125
16 Triley36 117
17 Bminchow 102
18 Googolplex 101
18 Josedin 101
20 SafeBet 88
21 Koronin 83
22 Pirate81 72
23 ArchieBoy 62
24 Ray10 56
25 ChrisDK 49
26 Leadbelly 24
27 Yellow_Knight 9
28 Search -45
29 Scrool07 -89
30 BikeRacer33 -114
Collective_Wisdom 134
Standings
That might not have looked like a very exciting stage, but it has caused some huge changes of position. SafeBet remains top (and I suspect will do for as long as Alaphilippe is in yellow) but Salvarani has risen 6 places to 2nd, while Bicycle Boy, Blues in the Bottle and Amis Velo have each jumped 17 places, and Del 21, to get into the top ten.
1 SafeBet 1491
2 Salvarani 1236
3 BicycleBoy 1121
4 Comodoro 1107
5 BluesInTheBottle 1098
6 Del1962 1079
7 Josedin 1076
8 AmisVelo 1047
9 Search 1021
10 Northerner 1005
11 Leadbelly 995
12 JustSomeGuy 981
13 Rote_Laterne 974
14 Otoxiep87 967
15 Mellow_Velo 942
16 Bminchow 934
17 Shalgo 930
18 Armchair_Cyclist 918
19 Googolplex 914
20 Triley36 906
21 BikeRacer33 889
22 Scrool07 854
23 Laarsland 851
24 Yellow_Knight 835
25 DJSprtsch 826
26 Pirate81 810
27 Koronin 667
28 ChrisDK 616
29 Ray10 541
30 ArchieBoy 410
Collective_Wisdom 961
I wouldn't expect much change tomorrow.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 02, 2020, 23:39
Green points
Today
1 ArchieBoy 140 (Van Aert, Bol and Mezgec)
2 Googolplex 85 (Bol and Bennett)
3= ChrisDK, Ray10 80 (Van Aert)
5 Otoxiep87 60 (Bol and Mazgec)
6= AmisVelo, Comodoro, Mellow_Velo, Salvarani 50 (Bol)
10 Laarsland 45
11= Search, Shalgo 35
13= Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Yellow_Knight 25
16= BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet 5
21= The rest 0
Collective_Wisdom 40
Standings
The huge daily score didn't put Archie top, but he does rise 16 places to second, behing Googolplex who rises from 4th.
1 Googolplex 208
2 ArchieBoy 183
3 Salvarani 181
4 AmisVelo 173
4 Laarsland 173
4 Search 173
7 DJSprtsch 148
8 ChrisDK 120
9 Otoxiep87 118
9 Shalgo 118
Main Game
That bottle cost the Alaphilippe teams (Safebet and Josedin) 526 points each, and was the main reason for point changes other than the sprint. The Bennett teams get a boost from him moving into green.
VAN AERT Wout 86 3 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 70 4
BENNETT Sam 65 4
POGACAR Tadej 58 2
BOL Cees 54 7
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 50 1
BARDET Romain 30 7
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 30 16
DUMOULIN Tom 30 28
MARTIN Guillaume 30 2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 20 6
---
NIZZOLO Giacomo -12 3
KUSS Sepp -18 3
ELISSONDE Kenny -20 5
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus -20 1
HIRSCHI Marc -20 2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian -510 2
Today
1 Googolplex 187 (Bennett, Bol, Bernal, Dumoulin)
2 Salvarani 186 (Pogacar, Bol, Bernal, Martin)
3 ArchieBoy 174 (Van Aert, Bol)
4 AmisVelo 164 (Roglic, Col, Dumoulin)
5 Comodoro 154
5 Otoxiep87 154
7 Shalgo 149
8 Mellow_Velo 146
9 Search 145
10 BluesInTheBottle 142
11 Rote_Laterne 130
12 Laarsland 127
13 Northerner 124
14 Ray10 121
15 Del1962 120
16 ChrisDK 114
17 BicycleBoy 110
17 JustSomeGuy 110
19 Leadbelly 104
20 Armchair_Cyclist 100
20 Triley36 100
22 BikeRacer33 84
23 Pirate81 76
24 Bminchow 66
25 Scrool07 62
26 Yellow_Knight 45
27 Koronin 28
28 DJSprtsch 17
29 SafeBet -436
30 Josedin -492
Collective_Wisdom 145
Standings
Remember a few days ago, when Safebet's lead looked insurmountable? Salvarani moves up one to the top, while Bicycle Boy also falls off the podium, making space for Comodoro and BitB. Otoxiep87 and Rote Laterne move into the top ten, and Googolplex has the biggest rise.
1 Salvarani 1422
2 Comodoro 1261
3 BluesInTheBottle 1240
4 BicycleBoy 1231
5 AmisVelo 1211
6 Del1962 1199
7 Search 1166
8 Northerner 1129
9 Otoxiep87 1121
10 Rote_Laterne 1104
11 Googolplex 1101
12 Leadbelly 1099
13 JustSomeGuy 1091
14 Mellow_Velo 1088
15 Shalgo 1079
16 SafeBet 1055
17 Armchair_Cyclist 1018
18 Triley36 1006
19 Bminchow 1000
20 Laarsland 978
21 BikeRacer33 973
22 Scrool07 916
23 Pirate81 886
24 Yellow_Knight 880
25 DJSprtsch 843
26 ChrisDK 730
27 Koronin 695
28 Ray10 662
29 ArchieBoy 584
29 Josedin 584
Collective_Wisdom 1106
And tomorrow should bee more of a shakedown, and further thinning out of the
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 03, 2020, 19:53
Green points
Today
1 Koronin 50 (Herrada)
2 SafeBet 18 (Alaphilippe and Bernal)
3 Josedin 15 (Alaphilippe)
4 Ray10 5 (Kwiatkowski)
5 Fifteen other teams with Bernal 3
20 Others 0
Collective_Wisdom 3
Standings
The two Alaphilippe teams move up 3 places each, the others in the top ten scored 0 or 3.
1 Googolplex 211
2 ArchieBoy 183
3 Salvarani 181
4 AmisVelo 173
4 Laarsland 173
4 Search 173
7 DJSprtsch 148
8 SafeBet 131
9 Josedin 123
10 Otoxiep87 121
10 Shalgo 121
Main Game
Shuffling of position in the 13 second group will carry on happening, and having short term effects on our scores, for as long as those riders keep arriving as part of a large-ish group.
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 74 1 team
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 30 2
BARDET Romain 20 7
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 19 2
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 11 1
PINOT Thibaut 10 26
---
LANDA MEANA Mikel -10 1
ROGLIC Primoz -10 4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel -20 6
POGACAR Tadej -20 2
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon -21 1
HIRSCHI Marc -23 2
LATOUR Pierre -27 3
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -31 1
FORMOLO Davide -32 2
Today
A range of 107 from top score to bottom is very small in thes games.
1 Koronin 67 (Herrada and Pinot, but Sanchez)
2 Comodoro 61 (Chaves, Bardet and Pinot)
3 Josedin 34 (Alaphilippe and Pinot)
4 Del1962 28
5 ChrisDK 27
6 DJSprtsch 19
6 Ray10 19
8 Googolplex 17
8 Triley36 17
10 Northerner 15
10 Pirate81 15
10 Shalgo 15
10 Yellow_Knight 15
14 BikeRacer33 9
15 ArchieBoy 8
16 SafeBet 5
17 BicycleBoy 1
18 Mellow_Velo -1
19 AmisVelo -2
20 Scrool07 -5
21 Armchair_Cyclist -7
21 BluesInTheBottle -7
23 Otoxiep87 -9
24 JustSomeGuy -10
25 Leadbelly -11
26 Search -13
27 Bminchow -14
28 Rote_Laterne -18
29 Salvarani -19
30 Laarsland -40
Collective_Wisdom 27
Standings
The highest change of position is Del overtaking Amis Velo for 5th, Googolplex enters the top ten, and Shalgo managed to move up 4, but exactly half the teams have not changed position at all. It was that sort of a day.
1 Salvarani 1403
2 Comodoro 1322
3 BluesInTheBottle 1233
4 BicycleBoy 1232
5 Del1962 1227
6 AmisVelo 1209
7 Search 1153
8 Northerner 1144
9 Googolplex 1118
10 Otoxiep87 1112
11 Shalgo 1094
12 Leadbelly 1088
13 Mellow_Velo 1087
14 Rote_Laterne 1086
15 JustSomeGuy 1081
16 SafeBet 1060
17 Triley36 1023
18 Armchair_Cyclist 1011
19 Bminchow 986
20 BikeRacer33 982
21 Laarsland 938
22 Scrool07 911
23 Pirate81 901
24 Yellow_Knight 895
25 DJSprtsch 862
26 Koronin 762
27 ChrisDK 757
28 Ray10 681
29 Josedin 618
30 ArchieBoy 592
Collective_Wisdom 1133
And I'm not sure that tomorrow will see much more change.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 04, 2020, 20:00
And I'm not sure that tomorrow will see much more change.Shows what I know, important splits from the start, and echelons.
Green points
Today
1 ArchieBoy, ChrisDK, Ray10 80 (Van Aert)
4 Comodoro 53 (Boasson Hagen and Bernal)
5 Del1962 50 (Boasson Hagen)
6= BluesInTheBottle, SafeBet 38 (Coquard and Bernal)
8 Koronin 36 (Coquard and Valverde)
9= Josedin, JustSomeGuy 35 (Coquard)
11= Bernalistas 3
24= the rest 0
Collective_Wisdom 3
Standings
The top two swap places, ChrisDK jumps from 12th to 3rd
1 ArchieBoy 263
2 Googolplex 214
3 ChrisDK 200
4 Salvarani 181
5= AmisVelo 173
5= Laarsland 173
5= Search 173
8 SafeBet 169
9 Ray10 168
10 Josedin 158
Main Game
Bora and early gradients brought about points classification change, then Ineos and late winds laid into the GC.
VAN AERT Wout 116 3 teams
MARTIN Guillaume 60 2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 60 1
BARDET Romain 50 7
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 50 2
COQUARD Bryan 50 5
PINOT Thibaut 50 26
URAN URAN Rigoberto 50 7
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 46 2
BUCHMANN Emanuel 42 12
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 40 6
---
BENNETT Sam -30 4
LANDA MEANA Mikel -43 1
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban -142 2
POGACAR Tadej -286 2
Today
1 Ray10 251 (Van Aert, Pinot, Buchmann)
2 Leadbelly 236 (Martin, Pinot, Bardet, Buchmann)
3 Rote_Laterne 223 (Quintana, Pinot, Uran)
4 SafeBet 209 (Pinot, Coquard, Alaphilippe)
5 Triley36 207
6 Armchair_Cyclist 203
6 Northerner 203
8 Koronin 199
9 Bminchow 193
9 Otoxiep87 193
11 Josedin 192
12 Search 190
13 ArchieBoy 185
14 Del1962 161
15 Scrool07 159
16 BikeRacer33 148
17 DJSprtsch 139
18 Pirate81 136
19 Shalgo 133
20 AmisVelo 120
21 BluesInTheBottle 113
22 Comodoro 111
23 Yellow_Knight 95
24 Googolplex 93
25 Mellow_Velo 83
26 Laarsland 61
27 BicycleBoy 44
28 ChrisDK -19
29 JustSomeGuy -76
30 Salvarani -148
Collective_Wisdom 233
Standings
After Alaphilippe's bottle, Pogacar's puncture becomes the second cause of a dramatic fall from top spot. It is, we discover today, possible for the same team to make a huge jump to 3rd place in the green competition and drop several places to last on the same day.
Comodoro moves into pole from second, and Del rises from 5th to 2nd. Northerner completes the podium with a 5 place rise, matched by one entry to the top ten, Leadbelly, and beaten by the other one, Rote Laterne.
1 Comodoro 1433
2 Del1962 1388
3 Northerner 1347
4 BluesInTheBottle 1346
5 Search 1343
6 AmisVelo 1329
7 Leadbelly 1324
8 Rote_Laterne 1309
9 Otoxiep87 1305
10 BicycleBoy 1276
11 SafeBet 1269
12 Salvarani 1255
13 Triley36 1230
14 Shalgo 1227
15 Armchair_Cyclist 1214
16 Googolplex 1211
17 Bminchow 1179
18 Mellow_Velo 1170
19 BikeRacer33 1130
20 Scrool07 1070
21 Pirate81 1037
22 JustSomeGuy 1005
23 DJSprtsch 1001
24 Laarsland 999
25 Yellow_Knight 990
26 Koronin 961
27 Ray10 932
28 Josedin 810
29 ArchieBoy 777
30 ChrisDK 738
Collective_Wisdom 1367
I'm going to stop guessing how exciting, or influential in the game, the next stage will be.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 05, 2020, 22:07
Green points
Today
The breakaway members did not feature high in the popular selections
1= Rote_Laterne 35 (Verona)
2= Leadbelly 11 (Hermans and Bardet)
3= AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, Yellow_Knight 10 (Hermans)
6= JustSomeGuy, Salvarani 2 (Pogacar)
8= BikeRacer33, Comodoro, Del1962, Northerner, Scrool07, Search 1 (Bardet)
14 The rest 0
Collective_Wisdom 1
Standings
Amis Velo moving from joint 5th to joint 4th is the only progress in this group.
1 ArchieBoy 263
2 Googolplex 214
3 ChrisDK 200
4 AmisVelo 183
4 Salvarani 183
6 Search 174
7 Laarsland 173
8 SafeBet 169
9 Ray10 168
10 Josedin 158
Main game
All but 2 teams (ArchieBoy and Josedin) had Dumoulin, who is at least still pretty good for his price, though apparently no longer the contender he was.
All but 4 teams (Bicycle Boy, Blues in the Bottle, ChrisDK and Yellow Knight) have Pinot, who is not going to make a good return on his price.
BARDET Romain 91 7 teams
POGACAR Tadej 83 2
LANDA MEANA Mikel 53 1
MAS NICOLAU Enric 40 2
URAN URAN Rigoberto 40 7
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 40 1
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 30 6
ELISSONDE Kenny 23 5
---
NIZZOLO Giacomo -20 3
ROGLIC Primoz -24 4
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley -30 16
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro -33 1
ALAPHILIPPE Julian -83 2
PINOT Thibaut -131 26
DUMOULIN Tom -190 28
None of us come out of this well:
1 ArchieBoy -118 (Only Pinot as a disaster)
2 Search -160 (Bardet, Uran and Lopez, but Pinot and Dumoulin)
3 Yellow_Knight -177(Elissonde but Bernal and Dumoulin)
4 JustSomeGuy -188
5 ChrisDK -205
6 Scrool07 -206
7 Josedin -207
8 BicycleBoy -211
9 Leadbelly -226
9 Northerner -226
11 Del1962 -231
12 Salvarani -235
13 BluesInTheBottle -244
13 Comodoro -244
15 BikeRacer33 -252
16 Rote_Laterne -271
17 DJSprtsch -274
18 Armchair_Cyclist -281
19 Mellow_Velo -294
20 Triley36 -299
21 Shalgo -307
22 Bminchow -308
23 Otoxiep87 -311
24 Ray10 -312
25 Laarsland -317
26 AmisVelo -325
27 Pirate81 -340
28 Koronin -342
29 Googolplex -359
30 SafeBet -434
Collective_Wisdom -236
Standings
How has it taken me this many years to realise that if I change the order of the columns in my spreadsheet, I can show the daily change of positions dead easily?
1 Comodoro 1189 0
2 Search 1183 3
3 Del1962 1157 -1
4 Northerner 1121 -1
5 BluesInTheBottle 1102 -1
6 Leadbelly 1098 1
7 BicycleBoy 1065 3
8 Rote_Laterne 1038 0
9 Salvarani 1020 3
10 AmisVelo 1004 -4
11 Otoxiep87 994 -2
12 Armchair_Cyclist 933 3
13 Triley36 931 0
14 Shalgo 920 0
15 BikeRacer33 878 4
16 Mellow_Velo 876 2
17 Bminchow 871 0
18 Scrool07 864 2
19 Googolplex 852 -3
20 SafeBet 835 -9
21 JustSomeGuy 817 1
22 Yellow_Knight 813 3
23 DJSprtsch 727 0
24 Pirate81 697 -3
25 Laarsland 682 -1
26 ArchieBoy 659 3
27 Ray10 620 0
28 Koronin 619 -2
29 Josedin 603 -1
30 ChrisDK 533 0
Collective_Wisdom 1131
It would be nice if at least some of us can improve our score tomorrow.
Post by: scrooll07 on September 06, 2020, 21:10
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 07, 2020, 00:09
Green points
Today
So nearly a heroic breakaway victory, but the big names, and some popular picks, feature.
1 Salvarani 85 (Pogacar and Martin)
2 JustSomeGuy 80 (Pogacar)
3= BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle 75 (Roglic and Bernal)
5 Del1962 53 (Roglic and Bardet)
6 AmisVelo 50 (Roglic)
7 Mellow_Velo 40 (Bernal and Landa)
8 Search 39 (Hirschi, Bardet, Uran)
9 Scrool07 38 (Hirschi, Bardet)
10= BikeRacer33, Comodoro, Northerner 28 (Bernal, Bardet)
13= Armchair_Cyclist, Bminchow, Rote_Laterne, Shalgo, Triley36 26 (Bernal, Uran)
18= Googolplex, Otoxiep87, Pirate81, SafeBet, Yellow_Knight 25 (Bernal)
23 Leadbelly 8
24 DJSprtsch 1
25= Six more teams 0
Collective_Wisdom 28
Standings
Today's winner moves from 4th to top: Blues in the Bottle, Del, Comodoro and JSG are new entries in an 11-team top ten, Blues on the back of a 7 place leap, and JSG one of 8 spots.
1 Salvarani 268
2 ArchieBoy 263
3 Googolplex 239
4 AmisVelo 233
5 Search 213
6 BluesInTheBottle 211
7 ChrisDK 200
8 SafeBet 194
9 Del1962 187
10 Comodoro 183
10 JustSomeGuy 183
Main Game
ROGLIC Primoz 224 4 teams
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 185 16
POGACAR Tadej 135 2
HIRSCHI Marc 70 2
URAN URAN Rigoberto 61 7
LANDA MEANA Mikel 45 1
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 30 1
KUSS Sepp 20 3
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso 18 2
---
CRAS Steff -20 1
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban -22 2
ELISSONDE Kenny -23 5
ALAPHILIPPE Julian -24 2
MAS NICOLAU Enric -30 2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel -50 6
ARU Fabio -51 2
BUCHMANN Emanuel -58 12
1 BluesInTheBottle 419 (Roglic and Bernal)
2 BicycleBoy 396 (Roglic and Bernal, but Elissonde)
3 Rote_Laterne 300 (Bernal, Uran, Quintana)
4 Bminchow 286 (Bernal, Uran, Tejada)
5 Shalgo 268 (Bernal, Uran)
6 Del1962 226
7 Armchair_Cyclist 218
8 Mellow_Velo 199
9 AmisVelo 187
9 BikeRacer33 187
11 Pirate81 183
11 SafeBet 183
13 Googolplex 175
14 Salvarani 161
15 Northerner 160
16 Triley36 159
17 Comodoro 129
18 Yellow_Knight 121
19 Search 106
20 Otoxiep87 78
21 Scrool07 72
22 JustSomeGuy 69
23 DJSprtsch 60
24 Koronin 34
25 ChrisDK 3
26 Laarsland -22
26 Ray10 -22
28 Leadbelly -28
29 ArchieBoy -32
30 Josedin -64
Collective_Wisdom 199
Standings
Now that the two main pre-race favourites are in the top two spots, the two teams who doubled up on them are in the top two here. But after the way the last three days have been raced, I think we have plenty more to happen over the next 2 weeks, in the game and on the road.
1 BluesInTheBottle 1521 4
2 BicycleBoy 1461 5
3 Del1962 1383 0
4 Rote_Laterne 1338 4
5 Comodoro 1318 -4
6 Search 1289 -4
7 Northerner 1281 -3
8 AmisVelo 1191 2
9 Shalgo 1188 5
10 Salvarani 1181 -1
11 Bminchow 1157 6
12 Armchair_Cyclist 1151 0
13 Triley36 1090 0
14 Mellow_Velo 1075 2
15 Otoxiep87 1072 -4
16 Leadbelly 1070 -10
17 BikeRacer33 1065 -2
18 Googolplex 1027 1
19 SafeBet 1018 1
20 Scrool07 936 -2
21 Yellow_Knight 934 1
22 JustSomeGuy 886 -1
23 Pirate81 880 1
24 DJSprtsch 787 -1
25 Laarsland 660 0
26 Koronin 653 2
27 ArchieBoy 627 -1
28 Ray10 598 -1
29 Josedin 539 0
30 ChrisDK 536 0
Collective_Wisdom 1330
I might have time to look at some numbers tomorrow.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 07, 2020, 19:13
So how is it going for your team and your riders?
Green points
Riders with at least a third place, or the points equivalent of it:
VAN AERT Wout 160 3 teams
POGACAR Tadej 135 2
ROGLIC Primoz 130 4
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 110 2
BENNETT Sam 110 4
BOL Cees 90 7
HIRSCHI Marc 85 2
LUTSENKO Alexey 85 0
EWAN Caleb 83 0
KRISTOFF Alexander 80 0
PETERS Nans 80 0
VAN AVERMAET Greg 60 0
SAGAN Peter 55 3
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 50 2
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 50 1
PEDERSEN Mads 50 1
SKUJINS Toms 50 0
COQUARD Bryan 45 5
MARTIN Guillaume 40 2
NIZZOLO Giacomo 40 3
POWLESS Neilson 40 0
YATES Adam 39 0
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 36 16
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 35 1
HOFSTETTER Hugo 31 0
STUYVEN Jasper 31 0
MOLLEMA Bauke 30 0
LAPORTE Christophe 25 0
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 25 1
ZAKARIN Ilnur 25 0
And the teams they appear in
1 Salvarani 268 (Pogacar, Bol and Martin)
2 ArchieBoy 263 (Van Aert and Bol)
3 Googolplex 239 (Bennett, Bol, Bernal)
4 AmisVelo 233 (Roglic and Bol)
5 Search 213 (Bennett and Hirschi)
6 BluesInTheBottle 211 (Roglic, Coquard, Bernal)
7 ChrisDK 200 (Van Aert, Nizzolo)
8 SafeBet 194 (Alaphilippe, Coquard, Bernal)
9 Del1962 187 (Roglic, Boasson Hagen)
10 Comodoro 183 (Bol, Boasson Hagen, Bernal)
10 JustSomeGuy 183 (Pogacar, Coquard)
12 BicycleBoy 176 (Roglic, Bernal)
13 Laarsland 173 (Bennett, Nizzolo)
14 Ray10 168 (Van Aert)
15 Josedin 158 (Alaphilippe and Coquard)
16 Shalgo 150 (Bennett and Bernal)
17 DJSprtsch 149 (Sagan, Pedersen, Nizzolo)
17 Otoxiep87 149 (Bol, Bernal)
19 Mellow_Velo 146 (Bol, Bernal)
20 Scrool07 102 (Hirschi)
21 Yellow_Knight 101 (Sagan, Bernal)
22 Rote_Laterne 100 (Bernal, Verona)
23 Koronin 99 (Herrada, Coquard)
24 Bminchow 95 (Sagan, Bernal)
25 Leadbelly 57 (Martin)
26 Northerner 53 (Bernal)
27 Armchair_Cyclist 50 (Bernal)
28 BikeRacer33 44 (Bernal)
29 Triley36 40 (Bernal)
30 Pirate81 39 (Bernal)
Collective_Wisdom 115
Main Game
The top 40 scorers so far (which amounts to the top 22 on GC or those with enough other points to equal that, and avoids me having to write "and Pinot" on 90% of the teams)
ROGLIC Primoz 755 4 teams
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 486 16
MARTIN Guillaume 420 2
POGACAR Tadej 370 2
BARDET Romain 324 7
YATES Adam 319 0
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 315 1
URAN URAN Rigoberto 261 7
VAN AERT Wout 223 3
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 208 2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 190 6
BENNETT Sam 180 4
LANDA MEANA Mikel 177 1
SAGAN Peter 155 3
MOLLEMA Bauke 150 0
PETERS Nans 150 0
PORTE Richie 142 0
HIRSCHI Marc 140 2
KRISTOFF Alexander 130 0
MAS NICOLAU Enric 130 2
LUTSENKO Alexey 122 0
BOL Cees 110 7
DUMOULIN Tom 110 28
EWAN Caleb 106 0
ZAKARIN Ilnur 103 0
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 102 0
COSNEFROY Benoît 100 0
CARUSO Damiano 94 0
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres 92 0
SKUJINS Toms 92 0
COQUARD Bryan 90 5
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 89 1
VAN AVERMAET Greg 83 0
BUCHMANN Emanuel 82 12
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 72 2
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 70 2
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 70 1
PEDERSEN Mads 70 1
ROLLAND Pierre 67 6
BARGUIL Warren 65 0
The teams that have these riders (I don't intend writing "and Dumoulin" on nearly every team either: I'll mention him on the two where he is missing.)
1 BluesInTheBottle 1521 (Roglic, Bernal, Coquard)
2 BicycleBoy 1461 (Roglic, Bernal)
3 Del1962 1383 (Roglic, Bardet, Boasson Hagen)
4 Rote_Laterne 1338 (Bernal, Quintana, Uran)
5 Comodoro 1318 (Bernal, Bardet, Bol, Buchmann, Chaves, Boasson Hagen)
6 Search 1289 (Bardet, Uran, Lopez, Bennett, Hirschi)
7 Northerner 1281 (Bernal, Bardet, Lopez, Rolland)
8 AmisVelo 1191 (Roglic, Bol, Buchmann)
9 Shalgo 1188 (Bernal, Uarn, Bennett, Rolland)
10 Salvarani 1181 (Martin, Pogacar, Bol, Rolland)
11 Bminchow 1157 (Bernal, Uran, Sagan)
12 Armchair_Cyclist 1151 (Bernal, Uran, Lopez)
13 Triley36 1090 (Bernal, Uran, Buchmann, Rolland)
14 Mellow_Velo 1075 (Bernal, Landa, Bol, Buchmann)
15 Otoxiep87 1072 (Bernal, Lopez, Bol, Buchmann)
16 Leadbelly 1070 (Martin, Bardet, Buchmann)
17 BikeRacer33 1065 (Bernal, Bardet)
18 Googolplex 1027 (Bernal, Bennett, Bol)
19 SafeBet 1018 (Bernal, Alaphilippe, Coquard)
20 Scrool07 936 (Bardet, Lopez, Hirschi)
21 Yellow_Knight 934 (Bernal, Sagan, Buchmann)
22 JustSomeGuy 886 (Pogacar, Mas, Coquard, Buchmann)
23 Pirate81 880 (Bernal, Buchmann)
24 DJSprtsch 787 (Uran, Sagan, Pedersen and Rolland)
25 Laarsland 660 (Lopez, Bennett)
26 Koronin 653 (Mas, Coquard, Valverde, Herrada)
27 ArchieBoy 627 (Van Aert, Bol, Buchmann, Rolland: no Dumoulin)
28 Ray10 598 (Van Aert, Buchmann)
29 Josedin 539 (Alaphilippe, Coquard, Buchmann: no Dumoulin)
30 ChrisDK 536 (Van Aert, Chaves)
Collective_Wisdom 1330 (Bernal, Buchmann and 80% of Bol, Bardet and Uran)
Some observations:
Van Aert is very impressive in the race, but the three teams that chose him here are in the bottom five.
Dumoulin was almost ubiquitous, and although he has moved from option B to last mountain dom, he is still getting a good return on the low cost, and the teams that lack him are among the bottom 5.
Pinot was almost as popular as Dumoulin, but a lot more expensive and underachieving: not going for him if it was in the interests of being able to afford both Bernal and Roglic was a wise move (at this stage), otherwise those who eschewed him did not invest any better (Sagan, Martinez, Nizzolo...)
Comodoro's lowest scoring rider is 64 pointer Pinot
Of the riders who have withdrawn, Cras was on one team (Otoxiep87), Degenkolb and Aru on two each (Armchair and Shalgo, Googolplex and TRiley) and Nizzolo, by far the most expensive DNF on three (ChrisDK, DJSprtsch and Laarsland). I haven't removed Pozzovivo's projected points yet, as he will only become a DNS at the start of stage 10, but those who suffer will be Laarsland (again), Mellow Velo and Pirate81.
Jumbo-Visma, the only team that are overbudget, have a cumulative score of 1257, AG2R are 2nd with 730, Ineos have 728, followed by Cofidis (625) and Trek (575).
And if there are any other numbers to investigate, they are here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing).
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 08, 2020, 22:22
Green points
Today
1 Googolplex 83 (Bennett and Bol)
2 Laarsland 81 (Bennett and Mezgec)
3= Search, Shalgo 80 (Bennett)
5 DJSprtsch 50 (Sagan and Pedersen)
6= Bminchow, Yellow_Knight 35 (Sagan)
8= BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet 5
13= ArchieBoy, Otoxiep87 4
15= AmisVelo, Comodoro, Mellow_Velo, Salvarani 3
19= Dozy dozen 0
Collective_Wisdom 2
Standings
Googolplex rises 2 places to lead, and Search by three to get second. Laarsland, Shalgo and DJS come into the top ten, with moves of 8, 9 amd 7 places respectively.
1 Googolplex 322
2 Search 293
3 Salvarani 271
4 ArchieBoy 267
5 Laarsland 254
6 AmisVelo 236
7 Shalgo 230
8 BluesInTheBottle 216
9 ChrisDK 200
10 DJSprtsch 199
10 SafeBet 199
Main game
The biggest change on GC was Buchmann dropping one place to 19th, and there were no KoM points, so this is mainly stage points, shuffles in the points standings, withdrawals and yellow jersey bonuses.
BENNETT Sam 110 4 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 20 4
COQUARD Bryan 15 5
PEDERSEN Mads 15 1
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 8 1
KUSS Sepp 6 3
SAGAN Peter 5 3
---
ALAPHILIPPE Julian -5 2
BUCHMANN Emanuel -5 12
VAN AERT Wout -15 3
POZZOVIVO Domenico -26 3
1 Googolplex 116
2 Search 106
2 Shalgo 106
4 Laarsland 81
5 BluesInTheBottle 35
6 Koronin 21
7 BicycleBoy 20
8 Del1962 16
8 DJSprtsch 16
10 AmisVelo 15
11 SafeBet 6
12 JustSomeGuy 4
13 Scrool07 3
14 Josedin 1
14 Yellow_Knight 1
16 Bminchow -1
17 Salvarani -2
18 Armchair_Cyclist -4
18 BikeRacer33 -4
18 Northerner -4
18 Otoxiep87 -4
22 Comodoro -5
22 Rote_Laterne -5
24 Leadbelly -9
24 Triley36 -9
26 ChrisDK -14
26 Ray10 -14
28 ArchieBoy -18
29 Mellow_Velo -31
30 Pirate81 -35
Collective_Wisdom -6
Standings
1 BluesInTheBottle 1556 0
2 BicycleBoy 1481 0
3 Del1962 1399 0
4 Search 1395 2
5 Rote_Laterne 1333 -1
6 Comodoro 1313 -1
7 Shalgo 1294 2
8 Northerner 1277 -1
9 AmisVelo 1206 -1
10 Salvarani 1179 0
11 Bminchow 1156 0
12 Armchair_Cyclist 1147 0
13 Googolplex 1143 5
14 Triley36 1081 -1
15 Otoxiep87 1068 0
16 BikeRacer33 1061 1
16 Leadbelly 1061 0
18 Mellow_Velo 1044 -4
19 SafeBet 1024 0
20 Scrool07 939 0
21 Yellow_Knight 935 0
22 JustSomeGuy 890 0
23 Pirate81 845 0
24 DJSprtsch 803 0
25 Laarsland 741 0
26 Koronin 674 0
27 ArchieBoy 609 0
28 Ray10 584 0
29 Josedin 540 0
30 ChrisDK 522 0
Collective_Wisdom 1324
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 09, 2020, 18:40
Green points
After the relegation of Sagan
Today
1 Laarsland 55 (Bennett and Mezgec)
2 Shalgo 51 (Bennett and Gibbons)
3= Googolplex, Search 50 (Bennett)
5 ArchieBoy 40 (Van Aert and Mezgec)
6= ChrisDK , Ray10 35 (Van Aert)
8 JustSomeGuy 26 (Coquard and Gibbons)
9= BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, Koronin, SafeBet 25 (Coquard)
13 DJSprtsch 10
14 Otoxiep87 5
15 AmisVelo 1
16= All the others 0
Standings
1 Googolplex 372
2 Search 343
3 Laarsland 309
4 ArchieBoy 307
5 Shalgo 281
6 Salvarani 271
7 BluesInTheBottle 241
8 AmisVelo 237
9 ChrisDK 235
10 SafeBet 224
The 4 teams with Sam Bennett are now in the top five, only Archie infiltrates them.
Main Game
As yesterday, a Colombian moving ahead of Buchmann is the highest positioned GC change.
BENNETT Sam 50 4 teams
VAN AERT Wout 38 3
COQUARD Bryan 25 5
ROGLIC Primoz 20 4
PEDERSEN Mads 10 1
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 5 2
MEZGEC Luka 5 3
---
ALAPHILIPPE Julian -5 2
BUCHMANN Emanuel -5 12
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso -8 2
FORMOLO Davide -20 2
Today
1 Laarsland 57
2 Shalgo 53
3 Search 52
4 Googolplex 50
5 BluesInTheBottle 48
6 ChrisDK 46
7 ArchieBoy 43
8 Koronin 29
9 Ray10 28
10 JustSomeGuy 23
11 Del1962 22
11 SafeBet 22
13 Josedin 21
14 BicycleBoy 20
15 AmisVelo 18
16 DJSprtsch 12
17 Rote_Laterne 5
18 Scrool07 3
19 Armchair_Cyclist 2
19 Comodoro 2
19 Northerner 2
19 Otoxiep87 2
19 Salvarani 2
24 Yellow_Knight -2
25 Mellow_Velo -3
25 Triley36 -3
27 Bminchow -6
28 Pirate81 -15
29 BikeRacer33 -18
30 Leadbelly -23
Collective_Wisdom -3
Standings
The relevant (so far) difference in composition between the top two (they both have both Bernal and Roglic) is the Blues in the Bottle has Bryan Coquard, while only Hermans has gained additional stage points for BicycleBoy: that means the gap widens today.
Search moves onto the virtual podium, Shalgo overtakes a couple of top ten teams, Googolplex appears in the top ten and shares the biggest rise with SafeBet.
1 BluesInTheBottle 1604
2 BicycleBoy 1501
3 Search 1447
4 Del1962 1421
5 Shalgo 1347
6 Rote_Laterne 1338
7 Comodoro 1315
8 Northerner 1279
9 AmisVelo 1224
10 Googolplex 1193
11 Salvarani 1181
12 Bminchow 1150
13 Armchair_Cyclist 1149
14 Triley36 1078
15 Otoxiep87 1070
16 SafeBet 1046
17 BikeRacer33 1043
18 Mellow_Velo 1041
19 Leadbelly 1038
20 Scrool07 942
21 Yellow_Knight 933
22 JustSomeGuy 913
23 Pirate81 830
24 DJSprtsch 815
25 Laarsland 798
26 Koronin 703
27 ArchieBoy 652
28 Ray10 612
29 ChrisDK 568
30 Josedin 561
Collective_Wisdom 1321
After two very similar days, it would be nice to see something else tomorrow.
Post by: scrooll07 on September 10, 2020, 16:38
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 10, 2020, 19:18
Green points
Today
1 Scrool07, Search 80 (Hirschi)
3 DJSprtsch 52 (Rolland and Elissonde)
4 ArchieBoy, Northerner, Salvarani, Shalgo, Triley36 50 (Rolland)
9 Koronin 15 (Herrada)
10 Josedin 3 (Reichenbach)
11 BicycleBoy, BikeRacer33, Del1962, Yellow_Knight 2 (Elissonde)
15 The remainder 0
Standings
Search takes over at the top, with Hirschi being a surprise weapon in this game's version of the points classification.
1 Search 423
2 Googolplex 372
3 ArchieBoy 357
4 Shalgo 331
5 Salvarani 321
6 Laarsland 309
7 DJSprtsch 261
8 BluesInTheBottle 241
9 AmisVelo 237
10 ChrisDK 235
Main Game
HIRSCHI Marc 85 2 teams
ROLLAND Pierre 55 6
ROGLIC Primoz 25 4
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 15 1
REICHENBACH Sébastien 13 1
ELISSONDE Kenny 11 5
---
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe -10 4
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso -11 2
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon -23 1
Modest changes again today:
1 Search 85 (Hirschi)
2 Scrool07 75 (Hirschi but Martinez)
3 DJSprtsch 66 (Rolland and Elissonde)
4 Salvarani 56
5 Northerner 55
5 Shalgo 55
7 Triley36 48
8 ArchieBoy 41
9 BicycleBoy 36
9 Del1962 36
11 BluesInTheBottle 22
12 AmisVelo 17
13 Josedin 12
14 BikeRacer33 11
15 Rote_Laterne 9
16 Ray10 8
17 SafeBet 6
18 Armchair_Cyclist 0
18 Laarsland 0
20 ChrisDK -1
20 Googolplex -1
22 Comodoro -3
23 JustSomeGuy -5
24 Yellow_Knight -6
25 Leadbelly -7
26 Koronin -8
26 Mellow_Velo -8
26 Otoxiep87 -8
29 Bminchow -11
30 Pirate81 -16
Collective_Wisdom -8
Standings
The race, and game, are at a mature stage when no team moves by more than one place up or down. The value of place riders can be seen by the fact that BicycleBoy has both Roglic and Bernal while Search, who has neither of them, is only 5 points behind him.
1 BluesInTheBottle 1626 0
2 BicycleBoy 1537 0
3 Search 1532 0
4 Del1962 1457 0
5 Shalgo 1402 0
6 Rote_Laterne 1347 0
7 Northerner 1334 1
8 Comodoro 1312 -1
9 AmisVelo 1241 0
10 Salvarani 1237 1
11 Googolplex 1192 -1
12 Armchair_Cyclist 1149 1
13 Bminchow 1139 -1
14 Triley36 1126 0
15 Otoxiep87 1062 0
16 BikeRacer33 1054 1
17 SafeBet 1052 -1
18 Mellow_Velo 1033 0
19 Leadbelly 1031 0
20 Scrool07 1017 0
21 Yellow_Knight 927 0
22 JustSomeGuy 908 0
23 DJSprtsch 881 1
24 Pirate81 814 -1
25 Laarsland 798 0
26 Koronin 695 0
27 ArchieBoy 693 0
28 Ray10 620 0
29 Josedin 573 1
30 ChrisDK 567 -1
Collective_Wisdom 1313
After several days, the GC race should resume tomorrow.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 11, 2020, 21:10
Green points
Two teams had the luxury of watching the last couple of km without worrying about what order they finished in
1= ChrisDK, Scrool07 130 (Martinez and Kamna)
3 ArchieBoy 95 (Martinez and Rolland)
4 Yellow_Knight 80 (Martinez)
5 Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, Josedin, Pirate81, Ray10 50 (Kamna)
10 DJSprtsch, Northerner, Salvarani, Shalgo, Triley36 15 (Rolland)
15= All others 0
Collective_Wisdom 40
Standings
Archie comes from 3rd to top, and ChrisDK from 10th to 4th. Scrool and Ray appear in the top ten, with rises of 10 and 3 positions
1 ArchieBoy 452
2 Search 423
3 Googolplex 372
4 ChrisDK 365
5 Shalgo 346
6 Salvarani 336
7 Scrool07 312
8 Laarsland 309
9 DJSprtsch 276
10 Ray10 253
Main Game
After a few neutralised days (GC wise), today we are back to some large gains
POGACAR Tadej 216 2 teams
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 107 4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 80 6
URAN URAN Rigoberto 60 7
KÄMNA Lennard 57 7
LANDA MEANA Mikel 40 1
ROLLAND Pierre 31 6
MAS NICOLAU Enric 30 2
ROGLIC Primoz 20 4
---
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley -70 16
BARDET Romain -180 7
MARTIN Guillaume -250 2
Two teams have Pogacar, but for Salvarani, the boost to his score was wiped out by Guillaume Martin's demise.
1 JustSomeGuy 248 (Pogacar and Mas)
2 ChrisDK 151 (Martinez and Kamna)
3 Armchair_Cyclist 139 (Lopez, Uran, Kamna but Bernal)
4 ArchieBoy 122 (Martinez and Rolland)
5 DJSprtsch 103 (Uran and Rolland)
6 Laarsland 92
7 Scrool07 83
8 Koronin 61
9 Josedin 55
10 Yellow_Knight 37
11 Ray10 36
12 Shalgo 33
13 Triley36 23
14 AmisVelo 22
15 Salvarani 14
16 Otoxiep87 12
17 Bminchow 7
18 Rote_Laterne -3
19 Pirate81 -19
20 Mellow_Velo -28
21 Search -32
22 BicycleBoy -40
22 BluesInTheBottle -40
24 Googolplex -47
25 SafeBet -48
26 Northerner -122
27 Del1962 -143
28 BikeRacer33 -181
29 Comodoro -263
30 Leadbelly -428
Collective_Wisdom -118
Standings
Two teams have both Roglic and Bernal, but none combined Rog'n'Pog. Search, despite the damage done to his score by Bardet today, moves into second place. Armchair is the only entry into the top ten, but just outside it JSG has an 11 place move.
1 BluesInTheBottle 1586 0
2 Search 1500 1
3 BicycleBoy 1497 -1
4 Shalgo 1435 1
5 Rote_Laterne 1344 1
6 Del1962 1314 -2
7 Armchair_Cyclist 1288 5
8 AmisVelo 1263 1
9 Salvarani 1251 1
10 Northerner 1212 -3
11 JustSomeGuy 1156 11
12 Triley36 1149 2
13 Bminchow 1146 0
14 Googolplex 1145 -3
15 Scrool07 1100 5
16 Otoxiep87 1074 -1
17 Comodoro 1049 -9
18 Mellow_Velo 1005 0
19 SafeBet 1004 -2
20 DJSprtsch 984 3
21 Yellow_Knight 964 0
22 Laarsland 890 3
23 BikeRacer33 873 -7
24 ArchieBoy 815 3
25 Pirate81 795 -1
26 Koronin 756 0
27 ChrisDK 718 3
28 Ray10 656 0
29 Josedin 628 0
30 Leadbelly 603 -11
Collective_Wisdom 1195
Spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing)
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 12, 2020, 20:26
Green points
1= ArchieBoy, Laarsland, Otoxiep87 50 (Mezgec)
4= Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Yellow_Knight 25 (Sagan)
7= Scrool07, Search 1 (Hirschi)
9= Everyone else 0
Standings
Two of the Mezgec teams are in the top ten: Archie extends his lead and Laarsland moves up one. DJS had Sagan, but does not change position.
1 ArchieBoy 502
2 Search 424
3 Googolplex 372
4 ChrisDK 365
5 Laarsland 359
6 Shalgo 346
7 Salvarani 336
8 Scrool07 313
9 DJSprtsch 301
10 Ray10 253
Main Game
Not a lot
MEZGEC Luka 50 3 teams
SAGAN Peter 25 3
ROGLIC Primoz 20 4
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 16 2
VAN AERT Wout 14 3
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 14 1
KÄMNA Lennard 12 7
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 11 1
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 11 1
DUMOULIN Tom 10 28
MARTIN Guillaume 10 2
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 10 1
---
COQUARD Bryan -10 5
REICHENBACH Sébastien -16 1
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe -18 4
LATOUR Pierre -20 3
BARDET Romain -140 7
1 Otoxiep87 56 (Mezgec and Dumoulin)
2 Ray10 49 (Van Aert, Kamna, Kwiatkowski and Dumoulin)
3 ArchieBoy 36 (Mezgec and Van Aert, but Martinez)
4 BicycleBoy 34
5 Laarsland 32
6 AmisVelo 26
7 DJSprtsch 25
7 Yellow_Knight 25
9 BluesInTheBottle 24
9 Pirate81 24
11 ChrisDK 23
11 Koronin 23
13 Rote_Laterne 16
14 Armchair_Cyclist 14
15 Bminchow 9
16 Salvarani 8
17 Googolplex 7
18 Mellow_Velo 6
19 Triley36 0
20 Josedin -2
21 JustSomeGuy -4
21 Shalgo -4
23 SafeBet -12
24 Del1962 -112
25 BikeRacer33 -122
26 Leadbelly -124
27 Comodoro -129
28 Search -137
29 Scrool07 -138
30 Northerner -142
Collective_Wisdom -96
Standings
BicycleBoy only ceded second place for a day, and Search reaches a podium position as Shalgo suffers from Bardet's withdrawal. Bminchow moves up 3 places and into the top ten, but if he had just 6 points fewer he would be where he was: it is very close in that part of the table.
1 BluesInTheBottle 1610 0
2 BicycleBoy 1531 1
3 Shalgo 1431 1
4 Search 1363 -2
5 Rote_Laterne 1360 0
6 Armchair_Cyclist 1302 1
7 AmisVelo 1289 1
8 Salvarani 1259 1
9 Del1962 1202 -3
10 Bminchow 1155 3
11 Googolplex 1152 3
11 JustSomeGuy 1152 0
13 Triley36 1149 -1
14 Otoxiep87 1130 2
15 Northerner 1070 -5
16 Mellow_Velo 1011 2
17 DJSprtsch 1009 3
18 SafeBet 992 1
19 Yellow_Knight 989 2
20 Scrool07 962 -5
21 Laarsland 922 1
22 Comodoro 920 -5
23 ArchieBoy 851 1
24 Pirate81 819 1
25 Koronin 779 1
26 BikeRacer33 751 -3
27 ChrisDK 741 0
28 Ray10 705 0
29 Josedin 626 0
30 Leadbelly 479 0
Collective_Wisdom 1099
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 13, 2020, 19:37
Green points
1 JustSomeGuy 95 (Pogacar and Mas)
2 Salvarani 80 (Pogacar)
3= AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962 50 (roglic)
7 Scrool07 35 (Lopez and Kuss)
8= Armchair_Cyclist, Search 27 (Lopez and Uran)
10 Koronin 26 (Mas, Kuss and Valverde)
11= Laarsland, Northerner, Otoxiep87 25 (Lopez)
14 Googolplex 10
15 Mellow_Velo 5
16 5 Uran teams 2
21 Ten others 0
Collective_Wisdom 2
Standings
The big jump in the top ten is Salvarani up from 7th to third; the big jump into the ten is JSG, up 7 places.
1 ArchieBoy 502
2 Search 451
3 Salvarani 416
4 Laarsland 384
5 Googolplex 382
6 ChrisDK 365
7 Scrool07 348
7 Shalgo 348
9 JustSomeGuy 309
10 DJSprtsch 303
Main Game
Lots of riders gain points from overtaking Bernal and Quintana
POGACAR Tadej 130 2 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 95 4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 85 6
URAN URAN Rigoberto 62 7
MAS NICOLAU Enric 55 2
LANDA MEANA Mikel 35 1
DUMOULIN Tom 30 28
KUSS Sepp 21 3
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 21 1
ELISSONDE Kenny 20 5
REICHENBACH Sébastien 20 1
---
HIRSCHI Marc -21 2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian -26 2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -110 1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley -260 16
Over half the teams suffer with Bernal's drop from contention.
1 JustSomeGuy 193 (Pogacar, Mas and Dumoulin)
2 Salvarani 176 (Pogacar and Dumoulin)
3 Del1962 151 (Roglic, Dumoulin and Elissonde)
4 Search 150 (Lopez, Uran, Dumoulin but Hirschi)
5 Koronin 127 (Mas, Dumoulin, Kuss and Valverde)
6 DJSprtsch 116
7 Laarsland 109
8 Scrool07 104
9 AmisVelo 103
10 ChrisDK 35
11 Ray10 30
12 ArchieBoy 9
13 Leadbelly 8
14 Josedin -44
15 Armchair_Cyclist -105
16 BicycleBoy -115
17 Northerner -129
18 BluesInTheBottle -131
19 Bminchow -147
20 Shalgo -164
21 Otoxiep87 -167
22 Triley36 -180
23 Googolplex -215
23 Yellow_Knight -215
25 Mellow_Velo -217
26 BikeRacer33 -232
27 Pirate81 -245
28 Comodoro -252
29 SafeBet -262
30 Rote_Laterne -272
Collective_Wisdom -215
Standings
The teams who were the top two for a week combined Roglic and Bernal, but as Bernal (along with Quintana) lost places, it was not a Pogacar team that took advantage, but one headed by two other Colombians: Uran and Lopez. Step up Search to wear the yellow jersey into the day off.
1 Search 1513 3
2 BluesInTheBottle 1479 -1
3 Salvarani 1435 5
4 BicycleBoy 1416 -2
5 AmisVelo 1392 2
6 Del1962 1353 3
7 JustSomeGuy 1345 4
8 Shalgo 1267 -5
9 Armchair_Cyclist 1197 -3
10 DJSprtsch 1125 7
11 Rote_Laterne 1088 -6
12 Scrool07 1066 8
13 Laarsland 1031 8
14 Bminchow 1008 -4
15 Triley36 969 -2
16 Otoxiep87 963 -2
17 Northerner 941 -2
18 Googolplex 937 -7
19 Koronin 906 6
20 ArchieBoy 860 3
21 Mellow_Velo 794 -5
22 ChrisDK 776 5
23 Yellow_Knight 774 -4
24 Ray10 735 4
25 SafeBet 730 -7
26 Comodoro 668 -4
27 Josedin 582 2
28 Pirate81 574 -4
29 BikeRacer33 519 -3
30 Leadbelly 487 0
Collective_Wisdom 883
I think I'll have some time for number crunching tomorrow.
Post by: just some guy on September 13, 2020, 19:40
Quiet happy with team JSG I must admit
Post by: search on September 13, 2020, 19:58
Post by: just some guy on September 13, 2020, 20:30
Just not my old me it seems
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 16, 2020, 01:15
Green points
1 Josedin 116 (Kamna, Reichenbach, Alaphilippe)
2= Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, ChrisDK, Pirate81, Ray10, Scrool07 80 (Kamna)
8= ArchieBoy, Leadbelly, Triley36 25 (Sivakov)
11 SafeBet 1 (Alaphilippe)
12 All others 0
Collective_Wisdom 64
Standings
Because I didn't do a rest day posting with the whole table, here it is:
1 ArchieBoy 527
2 Search 451
3 ChrisDK 445
4 Scrool07 428
5 Salvarani 416
6 Laarsland 384
7 Googolplex 382
8 Josedin 357
9 Shalgo 348
10 Ray10 333
11 JustSomeGuy 309
12 DJSprtsch 303
13 BluesInTheBottle 291
14 AmisVelo 287
15 Yellow_Knight 243
16 Del1962 239
17 Otoxiep87 233
18 BicycleBoy 228
19 SafeBet 225
20 Armchair_Cyclist 207
21 Comodoro 186
22 BikeRacer33 176
23 Koronin 170
24 Pirate81 169
25 Bminchow 157
26 Mellow_Velo 154
27 Northerner 143
28 Triley36 132
29 Rote_Laterne 102
30 Leadbelly 82
Collective_Wisdom 223
Archie extends his lead, Chris and Scrool both move up 3, Josedin moves up 7 and into the top ten.
Main game
KÄMNA Lennard 101 7 teams
ROLLAND Pierre 46 6
REICHENBACH Sébastien 45 1
SIVAKOV Pavel 25 3
DUMOULIN Tom 20 28
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 17 2
ROGLIC Primoz 10 4
---
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban -11 2
KWIATKOWSKI Michal -14 1
POGACAR Tadej -15 2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -20 1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley -26 16
GAUDU David -26 1
1 Josedin 157 (Kamna, Reichenbach and Alaphilippe)
2 Scrool07 108 (Kamna and Dumoulin)
3 ChrisDK 104 (Kamna and Dumoulin but Chaves)
4 Armchair_Cyclist 95
4 BikeRacer33 95
6 Pirate81 82
7 Ray10 69
8 DJSprtsch 66
9 ArchieBoy 59
9 Triley36 59
11 Salvarani 45
12 Shalgo 40
13 Leadbelly 39
14 Northerner 34
15 AmisVelo 24
15 Del1962 24
17 Laarsland 20
18 Search 15
19 SafeBet 11
20 Koronin 9
21 BicycleBoy 4
22 BluesInTheBottle 1
23 JustSomeGuy -1
24 Googolplex -12
24 Mellow_Velo -12
24 Otoxiep87 -12
27 Yellow_Knight -14
28 Bminchow -17
29 Rote_Laterne -18
30 Comodoro -23
Collective_Wisdom 69
Standings
Salvarani is the only manager to move up within the top ten, and we now have a tie for second place (and no countback system). You have to go all the way down to 22nd place to find anyone who has climbed more than a single place, where Ray has moved 2.
1 Search 1528 0
2 BluesInTheBottle 1480 0
2 Salvarani 1480 1
4 BicycleBoy 1420 0
5 AmisVelo 1416 0
6 Del1962 1377 0
7 JustSomeGuy 1344 0
8 Shalgo 1307 0
9 Armchair_Cyclist 1292 0
10 DJSprtsch 1191 0
11 Scrool07 1174 1
12 Rote_Laterne 1070 -1
13 Laarsland 1051 0
14 Triley36 1028 1
15 Bminchow 991 -1
16 Northerner 975 1
17 Otoxiep87 951 -1
18 Googolplex 925 0
19 ArchieBoy 919 1
20 Koronin 915 -1
21 ChrisDK 880 1
22 Ray10 804 2
23 Mellow_Velo 782 -2
24 Yellow_Knight 760 -1
25 SafeBet 741 0
26 Josedin 739 1
27 Pirate81 656 1
28 Comodoro 645 -2
29 BikeRacer33 614 0
30 Leadbelly 526 0
Collective_Wisdom 952
Sorry I didn't get around to doing a breakdown yesterday (real life intervened). Here are all the numbers (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing) for you to do that for yourselves.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 16, 2020, 10:33
1 Search 1530
2 Salvarani 1490
3 AmisVelo 1420
4 BluesInTheBottle 1387
5 Del1962 1383
6 JustSomeGuy 1348
7 BicycleBoy 1328
8 Shalgo 1221
9 Armchair_Cyclist 1202
10 DJSprtsch 1201
Which means that despite Roglic holding the big score for projected GC win, and 180 yellow jersey points so far, the 4 teams that have him are provisionally 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th. If the (presumed) winner is very expensive, then he does not necessary win you the game unless the rest of the budget is well spent, without expensive let downs. AV has Pinot and Buchmann, Del has Pinot and Bardet, and BitB and BB both have Bernal. More balanced teams are better than all in for yellow, it would appear.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 16, 2020, 19:10
Green points
Assume "and Dumoulin" for every team except the two with no points.
1 Scrool07 106 (Lopez, Kuss)
2= Armchair_Cyclist, Search 83 (Lopez, Uran)
4= Laarsland, Northerner, Otoxiep87 81 (Lopez)
7= AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962 51 (Roglic)
11 JustSomeGuy 46 (Pogacar, Mas)
12= Koronin (Kuss, Mas), Salvarani (Pogacar) 36
14 Googolplex 26 (Kuss)
15 Mellow_Velo 6 (Landa)
16= Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Rote_Laterne, Shalgo, Triley36 3
21= BikeRacer33, ChrisDK, Comodoro, Leadbelly, Pirate81, Ray10, SafeBet, Yellow_Knight 1
29= ArchieBoy, Josedin 0
Collective_Wisdom 3
Standings
A tie! Search was previously 2nd, Scrool 4th. Laarsland and JSG both also move up two places.
1= Scrool07 534
1= Search 534
3 ArchieBoy 527
4 Laarsland 465
5 Salvarani 452
6 ChrisDK 446
7 Googolplex 408
8 Josedin 357
9 JustSomeGuy 355
10 Shalgo 351
Main game
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 175 6 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 95 4
POGACAR Tadej 81 2
KUSS Sepp 37 3
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 30 1
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 11 2
MAS NICOLAU Enric 10 2
---
DEBUSSCHERE Jens -20 1
ROLLAND Pierre -41 6
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -60 1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley -94 16
URAN URAN Rigoberto -118 7
1 Scrool07 208 (Lopez & Kuss)
2 Laarsland 176 (Lopez)
3 Del1962 110 (Roglic)
4 AmisVelo 98
5 JustSomeGuy 94
6 Otoxiep87 84
7 Koronin 74
8 Search 51
9 Northerner 49
9 Salvarani 49
11 Josedin 11
12 BicycleBoy 8
13 Leadbelly 3
14 ChrisDK 2
15 BluesInTheBottle 0
15 Ray10 0
17 ArchieBoy -32
18 Armchair_Cyclist -36
19 Googolplex -56
20 SafeBet -82
21 Yellow_Knight -83
22 Mellow_Velo -86
23 BikeRacer33 -87
24 Pirate81 -94
25 Comodoro -97
26 DJSprtsch -152
27 Bminchow -204
28 Triley36 -250
29 Shalgo -252
30 Rote_Laterne -281
Collective_Wisdom -185
Standings
(Changes are since the end of yesterday's stage, not from the interim morning table)
Amis Velo moves onto the podium and is now the top Roglic team. Search is now top of both tables, so will have to decide which jersey to wear tomorrow. Scrool07 is a late claimant of a top ten place.
1 Search 1579 0
2 Salvarani 1529 0
3 AmisVelo 1514 2
4 Del1962 1487 2
5 BluesInTheBottle 1480 -3
6 JustSomeGuy 1438 1
7 BicycleBoy 1428 -3
8 Scrool07 1382 3
9 Armchair_Cyclist 1256 0
10 Laarsland 1227 3
11 Shalgo 1055 -3
12 DJSprtsch 1039 -2
13 Otoxiep87 1035 4
14 Northerner 1024 2
15 Koronin 989 5
16 ArchieBoy 887 3
17 ChrisDK 882 4
18 Googolplex 869 0
19 Ray10 804 3
20 Rote_Laterne 789 -8
21 Bminchow 787 -6
22 Triley36 778 -8
23 Josedin 750 3
24 Mellow_Velo 696 -1
25 Yellow_Knight 677 -1
26 SafeBet 659 -1
27 Pirate81 562 0
28 Comodoro 548 0
29 Leadbelly 529 1
30 BikeRacer33 527 -1
Collective_Wisdom 767
Post by: Leadbelly on September 16, 2020, 19:39
Post by: just some guy on September 16, 2020, 19:56
Post by: bikeracer33 on September 16, 2020, 23:29
Post by: scrooll07 on September 17, 2020, 06:59
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 17, 2020, 08:50
Need another stage win
If it's by Pogacar and gets him into yellow, and Mas comes second and moves up a couple of spots, that might indeed be all you need.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 17, 2020, 09:33
Average scores according to which forum teams were submitted through: VeloRooms 1001, Cycling News 996.6 (but you don't want to know what happens if I take the median rather than the average)
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 17, 2020, 21:59
Green points
As yesterday, assume "and Dumoulin" unless told otherwise
1 Ray10 116 (Kwiatkowski, Van Aert)
2 ChrisDK 36 (Van Aert)
3 ArchieBoy 35(Van Aert, no Dumoulin)
4= AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962 26 (Roglic)
8 JustSomeGuy 21 (Pogacar and Mas)
9 Salvarani 16 (Pogacar)
10 Koronin 6 (Mas)
11 Mellow_Velo 4 (Landa)
12= Eighteen teams 1
30 Josedin 0 (no Dumoulin)
Collective_Wisdom 1
Standings
Archie is back on top, Ray has a 6 place jump.
1 ArchieBoy 562
2 Scrool07 535
2 Search 535
4 ChrisDK 482
5 Salvarani 468
6 Laarsland 466
7 Ray10 450
8 Googolplex 409
9 JustSomeGuy 376
10 BluesInTheBottle 368
Main Game
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 96 1 team
MAS NICOLAU Enric 65 2
LANDA MEANA Mikel 63 1
VAN AERT Wout 40 3
ROGLIC Primoz 31 4
HIRSCHI Marc 22 2
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 11 1
---
MARTIN Guillaume -10 2
ROLLAND Pierre -10 6
MARTIN Daniel -12 4
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -12 1
POGACAR Tadej -14 2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian -14 2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel -20 6
URAN URAN Rigoberto -60 7
1 Ray10 123 (Kwiatkowski and Van Aert)
2 Koronin 86 (Mas and Sanchez)
3 Mellow_Velo 60 (Landa)
4 JustSomeGuy 48
5 ChrisDK 47
6 BluesInTheBottle 36
7 ArchieBoy 34
7 BicycleBoy 34
9 AmisVelo 28
10 Del1962 24
11 Scrool07 15
12 Googolplex 9
13 Yellow_Knight 5
14 BikeRacer33 1
15 Comodoro -1
16 SafeBet -11
17 Leadbelly -13
18 Josedin -16
19 Laarsland -17
19 Pirate81 -17
21 Otoxiep87 -23
22 Northerner -39
23 Salvarani -43
24 Search -55
25 DJSprtsch -65
26 Shalgo -67
27 Rote_Laterne -69
28 Bminchow -73
28 Triley36 -73
30 Armchair_Cyclist -81
Collective_Wisdom -54
Standings
A new leader, as the continuing demise of Uran and Lopez losing places in the KoM classification topple Search. Although Ray10, with his unique pick of Kwiatkowski, dominated the daily scores, Koronin and Mellow Velo do better in terms of movement through the table.
1 AmisVelo 1542 2
2 Search 1524 -1
3 BluesInTheBottle 1516 2
4 Del1962 1511 0
5 JustSomeGuy 1486 1
5 Salvarani 1486 -3
7 BicycleBoy 1462 0
8 Scrool07 1397 0
9 Laarsland 1210 1
10 Armchair_Cyclist 1175 -1
11 Koronin 1075 4
12 Otoxiep87 1012 1
13 Shalgo 988 -2
14 Northerner 985 0
15 DJSprtsch 974 -3
16 ChrisDK 929 1
17 Ray10 927 2
18 ArchieBoy 921 -2
19 Googolplex 878 -1
20 Mellow_Velo 756 4
21 Josedin 734 2
22 Rote_Laterne 720 -2
23 Bminchow 714 -2
24 Triley36 705 -2
25 Yellow_Knight 682 0
26 SafeBet 648 0
27 Comodoro 547 1
28 Pirate81 545 -1
29 BikeRacer33 528 1
30 Leadbelly 516 -1
Collective_Wisdom 713
Average Velorooms: 1005.4
Cycling News 991.4
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 19, 2020, 01:06
Green points
1 Laarsland 53 (Mezgec and Bennett)
2= ArchieBoy, Otoxiep87 50 (Mezgec)
4= Googolplex, Search, Shalgo 3 (Bennett)
7 Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Yellow_Knight 2 (Sagan)
10 All the others 0
Standings
Archie extends his lead, the tie for 2nd place is undone, and Laarsland has moved up 2.
1 ArchieBoy 612
2 Search 538
3 Scrool07 535
4 Laarsland 519
5 ChrisDK 482
6 Salvarani 468
7 Ray10 450
8 Googolplex 412
9 JustSomeGuy 376
10 BluesInTheBottle 368
Main Game
Today was more about making various jersey statuses safe, so not many points to add, and even fewer to subtract
MEZGEC Luka 50 3 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 19 4
BENNETT Sam 3 4
SAGAN Peter 2 3
JUNGELS Bob 1 1
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 1 1
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso 1 2
MARTIN Daniel 1 4
---
POGACAR Tadej -2 2
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas -20 1
You'll have noticed over the last 2 1/2 weeks that it is very unusual to have a net daily score or 0. Not today.
1 Laarsland 53
2 ArchieBoy 50
2 Otoxiep87 50
4 BluesInTheBottle 20
4 Del1962 20
6 AmisVelo 19
6 BicycleBoy 19
8 Bminchow 4
9 Search 3
9 Shalgo 3
11 DJSprtsch 2
11 Yellow_Knight 2
13 Koronin 1
13 Northerner 1
13 Pirate81 1
16 Armchair_Cyclist 0
16 BikeRacer33 0
16 ChrisDK 0
16 Comodoro 0
16 Josedin 0
16 Leadbelly 0
16 Mellow_Velo 0
16 Ray10 0
16 Rote_Laterne 0
16 SafeBet 0
16 Scrool07 0
16 Triley36 0
28 Salvarani -1
29 JustSomeGuy -2
30 Googolplex -17
Collective_Wisdom 0
Standings
Search slips off the podium as we come into the final weekend
1 AmisVelo 1561 0
2 BluesInTheBottle 1536 1
3 Del1962 1531 1
4 Search 1527 -2
5 Salvarani 1485 0
6 JustSomeGuy 1484 -1
7 BicycleBoy 1481 0
8 Scrool07 1397 0
9 Laarsland 1263 0
10 Armchair_Cyclist 1175 0
11 Koronin 1076 0
12 Otoxiep87 1062 0
13 Shalgo 991 0
14 Northerner 986 0
15 DJSprtsch 976 0
16 ArchieBoy 971 2
17 ChrisDK 929 -1
18 Ray10 927 -1
19 Googolplex 861 0
20 Mellow_Velo 756 0
21 Josedin 734 0
22 Rote_Laterne 720 0
23 Bminchow 718 0
24 Triley36 705 0
25 Yellow_Knight 684 0
26 SafeBet 648 0
27 Comodoro 547 0
28 Pirate81 546 0
29 BikeRacer33 528 0
30 Leadbelly 516 0
Collective_Wisdom 713
The top three teams should be able to expect a final bonus of 20 each for Roglic's collection of fluffy lions tomorrow, and if he is as high as most expect in the stage, they should be beyond the difference that Search might be able to make up from Bennett on Sunday. But Uran has a very good chance of overtaking Yates for 30 points in the time trial, which brings Search back into contention.
Other than Roglic, the top three also share Dumoulin (of course) and Van Garderen (!)
Those that make the differences between the teams are
Amis Velo
PINOT Thibaut
HERMANS Ben
BUCHMANN Emanuel
GIBBONS Ryan
BOL Cees
Blues in the Bottle
(BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley)
COQUARD Bryan
JUNGELS Bob
NIV Guy
REZA Kévin
Del1962
PINOT Thibaut
(BARDET Romain)
MARTIN Daniel
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
ELISSONDE Kenny
So they all have some potential for minor points on Sunday, but nothing to pick between them tomorrow, I suspect.
Post by: just some guy on September 19, 2020, 17:16
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 19, 2020, 17:19
Post by: just some guy on September 19, 2020, 18:05
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 00:32
This morning, the two teams with Pogacar were 5th and 6th, just one point apart, but seemed likely to be overhauled by the last remaining Roglic team below them and any difference between them would be of negligible importance.
And then that happened.
Green points
The rule against typing 'and Dumoulin' applies again, for every team with 50 or more points.
1 JustSomeGuy 132 (Pogacar, Mas)
2 Salvarani 130 (Pogacar)
3= ChrisDK, Ray10 75 (Van Aert)
5= AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962 65
9 Koronin 52 (Mas)
10 Uran teams 51
17 Dumoulin but no other top ten 50
29 ArchieBoy 25
30 Josedin 0
Collective_Wisdom 51
Standings
Salvarani jumps 4 places today, but his only sprinter for tomorrow is Bol, who is most unlikely to make up the 39 points he lacks, and even if he did, Bol is also on Archie's team (as are Mezgec, Van Aert and Bol). However, If Bennett is in the first two on the Champs, then the way is open for Search (or Laarsland, if Bennett wins and Mezgec is in the top four) to make a late challenge.
1 ArchieBoy 637
2 Salvarani 598
3 Search 589
4 Scrool07 585
5 Laarsland 569
6 ChrisDK 557
7 Ray10 525
8 JustSomeGuy 508
9 Googolplex 462
10 BluesInTheBottle 433
Main Game
Far more change than I think most of us expected
POGACAR Tadej 282 2 teams
DUMOULIN Tom 100 28
VAN AERT Wout 35 3
MAS NICOLAU Enric 32 2
LANDA MEANA Mikel 30 1
MARTIN Guillaume 10 2
---
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro -30 1
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel -120 6
ROGLIC Primoz -135 4
1 JustSomeGuy 416 (Pogacar, Dumoulin and Mas)
2 Salvarani 395 (Pogacar, Dumoulin and Martin)
3 ChrisDK 141 (Dumoulin and Van Aert)
4 Ray10 135 (Dumoulin and Van Aert)
5 Mellow_Velo 132 (Dumoulin and Landa)
6 Leadbelly 112
7 Comodoro 106
8 Bminchow 104
8 Koronin 104
10 Rote_Laterne 103
10 Shalgo 103
10 Triley36 103
13 BikeRacer33 102
13 Googolplex 102
13 Pirate81 102
16 DJSprtsch 101
17 Yellow_Knight 98
18 SafeBet 97
19 ArchieBoy 37
20 Josedin -1
21 Armchair_Cyclist -15
22 Scrool07 -16
23 Northerner -17
23 Search -17
25 Laarsland -18
25 Otoxiep87 -18
27 AmisVelo -33
28 Del1962 -34
29 BluesInTheBottle -35
30 BicycleBoy -37
Collective_Wisdom 104
Standings
An eleventh hour shake-up of what had looked almost settled, and we are left with a two horse race. The two Pogacar teams would have each moved up four places, except that Enric Mas gained a place from Lopez' disastrous TT, and that puts JSG in pole position rather than one behind. As if to make up for Valverde falling out of the top ten, Koronin appears in it.
1 JustSomeGuy 1900 5
2 Salvarani 1880 3
3 AmisVelo 1528 -2
4 Search 1510 0
5 BluesInTheBottle 1501 -3
6 Del1962 1497 -3
7 BicycleBoy 1444 0
8 Scrool07 1381 0
9 Laarsland 1245 0
10 Koronin 1180 1
11 Armchair_Cyclist 1160 -1
12 Shalgo 1094 1
13 DJSprtsch 1077 2
14 ChrisDK 1070 3
15 Ray10 1062 3
16 Otoxiep87 1044 -4
17 ArchieBoy 1008 -1
18 Northerner 969 -4
19 Googolplex 963 0
20 Mellow_Velo 888 0
21 Rote_Laterne 823 1
22 Bminchow 822 1
23 Triley36 808 1
24 Yellow_Knight 782 1
25 SafeBet 745 1
26 Josedin 733 -5
27 Comodoro 653 0
28 Pirate81 648 0
29 BikeRacer33 630 0
30 Leadbelly 628 0
Collective_Wisdom 817
Apart from Pogacar and Dumoulin, the top two both share Pinot and De Gendt.
So the determining factor tomorrow will be the comparative performances of these quartets:
Just Some Guy:
BUCHMANN Emanuel
COQUARD Bryan
GIBBONS Ryan
MAS NICOLAU Enric
Salvarani:
BOL Cees
MARTIN Daniel
MARTIN Guillaume
ROLLAND Pierre
So in essence, it is down to whether Bol can outscore Coquard tomorrow. Van Aert and Ewan are poised to push Coquard down the Green jersey positions if they finish ahead of him, so it could be very tight. If Sam Bennett gets the sort of result that is expected of him tomorrow, then Search should find himself on the podium.
The numbers so far (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing)
And those average scores for each forum: Velorooms 1095, Cycling News 1081.
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 07:19
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 12:42
OK, this gets complicated, but stay with me.
Coquard is currently credited with 25 points in the game for holding 4th place in the green jersey competition. He cannot improve on that position, but could lose places, and he loses 10 points if one of them passes him, and 15 if both of them do. Bol is not going to get any points in this game for the green classification.
So Just Some Guy's advantage might be 20, 10 or 5 points.
A win for Bol (stop laughing) would guarantee victory for Salvarani.
These are all written as what Coquard would need to get to keep JSG in the lead
If the margin is 20:
Bol 2nd, Coq would need 3rd
CB 3rd, BC needs 5th, which would make a tie
CB 4th, BC 7th to make a tie
and if Coquard retains those 20 points, there is nothing Cees Bol can do for Salvarani if he can't make the top 4.
If the margin is 10:
Bol 2nd, Salvarani wins (unless Coquard wins the stage)
Bol 3rd/4th/5th, Coquard needs 4th/5th/6th for a tie
Bol 6th, BC outside the top ten is a tie
Bol 7th or lower, JSG is the champion
If the margin is 5
Bol in the top 4, Coquard would need to finish ahead of him
Bol 5th/6th, Coquard one place behind him would make a tie
Bol 7th, a tie unless Coquard is in the top ten
Bol lower than 7th is no use for Salvarani.
If none of the relevant riders get points at the mid-race sprint, then Coquard's margin over Van Aert and Ewan is 13 and 15 points respectively: In that situation, the following paragraph applies.
If van Aert or Ewan win, Coquard can't prevent them overtaking him, but he can hold either of them finishing second off by being in the top 4. To stay ahead of Van Aert in 3rd/4th/5th/6th, Coquard needs 9th/11th/13th/15th. If Ewan is 3rd 4th or 5th, Coquard needs 11th/13/15th to stay ahead of him.
But if any of these three get points at the intermediate sprint, I'll have 5 laps left of the Champs to recalculate.
And this being 2020, it may be that something else affects the scores.
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 14:43
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 17:29
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 17:36
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 18:13
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 18:13
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 18:50
Green points
1 DJSprtsch 85 (Pedersen and Sagan)
2= Googolplex, Laarsland, Search, Shalgo 80 (Bennett)
6= Bminchow, Yellow_Knight 35 (Sagan)
8= ArchieBoy, ChrisDK, Ray10 10 (Van Aert)
11 BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet 2 (Coquard)
16 The rest 0
Final Green Standings
Archie spent much of the race in the lead in this classification, but in the end, Sagan-like, he succumbed to Sam Bennett. Hirschi getting more stage points than Mezgec was the maiin difference that gets Search the minor award.
1 Search 669
2 Laarsland 649
3 ArchieBoy 647
4 Salvarani 598
5 Scrool07 585
6 ChrisDK 567
7 Googolplex 542
8 Ray10 535
9 JustSomeGuy 510
10 Shalgo 486
11 DJSprtsch 445
12 BluesInTheBottle 435
13 AmisVelo 429
14 Otoxiep87 415
15 Del1962 381
16 BicycleBoy 370
17 Josedin 359
18 Armchair_Cyclist 342
19 Yellow_Knight 332
20 SafeBet 279
21 Northerner 275
22 Koronin 266
23 Bminchow 249
24 Comodoro 238
25 BikeRacer33 228
26 Pirate81 221
27 Mellow_Velo 214
28 Triley36 187
29 Rote_Laterne 157
30 Leadbelly 134
Collective_Wisdom 277
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 19:13
Very little change in rider scores other than the stage points, not even 20 points for the leader
BENNETT Sam 80 4 teams
PEDERSEN Mads 50 1
SAGAN Peter 35 3
VAN AERT Wout 10 3
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 2 2
KÄMNA Lennard 2 7
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 2 1
COQUARD Bryan 2 5
---
MARTIN Daniel -1 4
REICHENBACH Sébastien -2 1
BENNETT George -4 2
Today
almost exactly as above
1 DJSprtsch 85
2 Googolplex 80
2 Laarsland 80
2 Search 80
2 Shalgo 80
6 Yellow_Knight 35
7 Bminchow 34
8 ChrisDK 14
9 ArchieBoy 10
10 Ray10 8
11 Koronin 4
12 Armchair_Cyclist 2
12 BikeRacer33 2
12 BluesInTheBottle 2
12 Comodoro 2
12 Josedin 2
12 JustSomeGuy 2
12 SafeBet 2
12 Scrool07 2
20 AmisVelo 0
20 BicycleBoy 0
20 Leadbelly 0
20 Mellow_Velo 0
20 Otoxiep87 0
20 Rote_Laterne 0
20 Triley36 0
27 Del1962 -1
27 Northerner -1
27 Salvarani -1
30 Pirate81 -2
Collective_Wisdom 2
Final standings
In the end, Bol finished behind Coquard, so all my calculations were redundant. Just Some Guy slightly extends his winning margin, and Search passes Amis Velo to grab the final podium spot.
1 JustSomeGuy 1902 0
2 Salvarani 1879 0
3 Search 1590 1
4 AmisVelo 1528 -1
5 BluesInTheBottle 1503 0
6 Del1962 1496 0
7 BicycleBoy 1444 0
8 Scrool07 1383 0
9 Laarsland 1325 0
10 Koronin 1184 0
11 Shalgo 1174 1
12 Armchair_Cyclist 1162 -1
12 DJSprtsch 1162 1
14 ChrisDK 1084 0
15 Ray10 1070 0
16 Otoxiep87 1044 0
17 Googolplex 1043 2
18 ArchieBoy 1018 -1
19 Northerner 968 -1
20 Mellow_Velo 888 0
21 Bminchow 856 1
22 Rote_Laterne 823 -1
23 Yellow_Knight 817 1
24 Triley36 808 -1
25 SafeBet 747 0
26 Josedin 735 0
27 Comodoro 655 0
28 Pirate81 646 0
29 BikeRacer33 632 0
30 Leadbelly 628 0
Collective_Wisdom 819
Well done to JSG, to Salvarani for also investing in the winner, and to Search for his double coup on the last day; thanks to all the entrants, and to the CQ and PCS websites, and to those who have retained interest so far.
More numbers tomorrow: spreadsheet is on the link at the end of yesterday's post, but I will generate some analysis tomorrow, all things being well.
And the battle between the forums for their average scores was of Lemond/Fignon closeness: Velorooms 1104.58; CN 1104.53
Post by: Leadbelly on September 20, 2020, 19:32
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 20:23
2nd win for me to won the classics and TDF now.
Let's not talk about Velogames :D
Well done VR on the average win and Search for #vert and well done the podium especially Salvarani for a fun last stage
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 23:20
All Hail Armchair, JSG and Velorooms! The last one no thanks to me. :P
But it is thanks to you. If you had picked a team that scored 627, Cycling News would have won.
I didn't put my own score in either team: although Amis Velo sent his team to me by text, I counted it as VeloRooms, because if he does use one of the forums, it is this one.
Post by: search on September 21, 2020, 08:01
3rd isn't bad, I guess. As MV said the other day, "[Even :angel] Jens Voigt couldn't beat JSG in Velogames", so I'll just paraphrase that into something positive :D
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 21, 2020, 18:26
Those winning a stage, or points at least equivalent to that:
POGACAR Tadej 345 2 teams
BENNETT Sam 323 4
ROGLIC Primoz 270 4
VAN AERT Wout 265 3
EWAN Caleb 218 0
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh 198 0
HIRSCHI Marc 166 2
SAGAN Peter 152 3
KÄMNA Lennard 130 7
PEDERSEN Mads 125 1
MEZGEC Luka 116 3
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 115 6
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 111 2
KRISTOFF Alexander 105 0
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 102 0
PORTE Richie 97 0
BOL Cees 93 7
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 85 1
LUTSENKO Alexey 85 0
VAN AVERMAET Greg 85 0
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 80 4
PETERS Nans 80 0
Who had them?
1 Search 669 (Bennett, Hirschi, Lopez)
2 Laarsland 649 (Bennett, Mezgec, Lopez)
3 ArchieBoy 647 (Van Aert, Mezgac, Bol, Martinez)
4 Salvarani 598 (Pogacar, Bol)
5 Scrool07 585 (Hirschi, Kamna, Bol, Martinez)
6 ChrisDK 567 (Van Aert, Kamna, Martinez)
7 Googolplex 542 (Bennett, Bol)
8 Ray10 535 (Van Aert, Kamna, Kwiatkowski)
9 JustSomeGuy 510 (Pogacar)
10 Shalgo 486 (Bennett)
11 DJSprtsch 445 (Sagan, Pedersen)
12 BluesInTheBottle 435 (Roglic)
13 AmisVelo 429 (Roglic, Bol)
14 Otoxiep87 415 (Mezgec, Lopez, Bol)
15 Del1962 381 (Roglic)
16 BicycleBoy 370 (Roglic)
17 Josedin 359 (Kamna, Alaphilippe)
18 Armchair_Cyclist 342 (Kamna, Lopez)
19 Yellow_Knight 332 (Sagan, Martinez)
20 SafeBet 279 (Alaphilippe)
21 Northerner 275 (Lopez)
22 Koronin 266 (none of these, Coquard (77) as highest)
23 Bminchow 249 (Sagan)
24 Comodoro 238 (Bol)
25 BikeRacer33 228 (Kamna)
26 Pirate81 221 (Kamna)
27 Mellow_Velo 214 (Bol)
28 Triley36 187 (none of these, highest Rolland (65))
29 Rote_Laterne 157 (None, Dumoulin (52))
30 Leadbelly 134 (None, Dumoulin (52))
Collective_Wisdom 277 (Kamna, Bol)
So I think that means 8 managers never got to claim that their rider had one the stage.
If you had a focus on this classification alone, and with remarkable foresight, you could have had
POGACAR Tadej
BENNETT Sam
VAN AERT Wout
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
HIRSCHI Marc
MEZGEC Luka
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos
ROWE Luke
as a team, just within budget, scoring 1453 in this classification alone and easily winning the main game with 2527.
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 21, 2020, 21:47
POGACAR Tadej 1048 2 teams
ROGLIC Primoz 975 4
PORTE Richie 480 0
BENNETT Sam 423 4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 390 6
VAN AERT Wout 352 3
LANDA MEANA Mikel 350 1
MAS NICOLAU Enric 322 2
YATES Adam 305 0
DUMOULIN Tom 282 28
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 272 0
EWAN Caleb 248 0
SAGAN Peter 222 3
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh 220 0
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 213 2
HIRSCHI Marc 211 2
URAN URAN Rigoberto 206 7
MARTIN Guillaume 180 2
KÄMNA Lennard 174 7
CARUSO Damiano 167 0
ROLLAND Pierre 152 6
KRISTOFF Alexander 145 0
PEDERSEN Mads 145 1
MEZGEC Luka 136 3
KUSS Sepp 135 3
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 134 1
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 133 4
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 132 1
COQUARD Bryan 122 5
BARGUIL Warren 120 0
BOL Cees 113 7
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 113 1
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 112 1
LUTSENKO Alexey 110 0
VAN AVERMAET Greg 106 0
PETERS Nans 102 0
Who had them?
Assume Dumoulin unless otherwise stated
1 JustSomeGuy 1902 (Pogacar, Mas, Coquard)
2 Salvarani 1879 (Pogacar, Rolland, G Martin, Bol)
3 Search 1590 (Bennett, Lopez, Hirschi, Uran)
4 AmisVelo 1528 (Roglic, Bol)
5 BluesInTheBottle 1503 (Roglic, Coquard)
6 Del1962 1496 (Roglic)
7 BicycleBoy 1444 (Roglic)
8 Scrool07 1383 (Lopez, Hirschi, Kamna, Kuss, Martinez)
9 Laarsland 1325 (Bennett, Lopez, Mezgec)
10 Koronin 1184 (Mas, Kuss, Valverde, Coquard)
11 Shalgo 1174 (Bennett, Uran, Rolland)
12 Armchair_Cyclist 1162 (Lopez, Uran, Kamna)
12 DJSprtsch 1162 (Sagan, Uran, Rolland, Pedersen)
14 ChrisDK 1084 (Van Aert, Kamna, Martinez)
15 Ray10 1070 (Van Aert, Kamna, Kwiatkowski)
16 Otoxiep87 1044 (Lopez, Mezgec, Bol)
17 Googolplex 1043 (Bennett, Kuss, Bol)
18 ArchieBoy 1018 (Van Aert, Rolland, Mezgec, Martinez, Bol, no Dumoulin)
19 Northerner 968 (Lopez, Rolland)
20 Mellow_Velo 888 (Landa, Bol)
21 Bminchow 856 (Sagan, Uran)
22 Rote_Laterne 823 (Uran, Quintana, Verona)
23 Yellow_Knight 817 (Sagan, Marrtinez)
24 Triley36 808 (Uran, Rolland)
25 SafeBet 747 (Alaphilippe, Coquard)
26 Josedin 735 (Alaphilippe, Kamna, Coquard, no Dumoulin)
27 Comodoro 655 (Bol)
28 Pirate81 646 (Kamna)
29 BikeRacer33 632 (Kamna)
30 Leadbelly 628 (G Martin)
Collective_Wisdom 819 (Uran, Kamna, Bol)
Best riders by return %age
The riders who gave back 2/3 or more of their price
REZA Kévin 400% 3 teaams
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 373% 1
DUMOULIN Tom 203% 28
NIEUWENHUIS Joris 167% 2
ROWE Luke 125% 0
BURGAUDEAU Mathieu 118% 0
SICARD Romain 109% 0
ROLLAND Pierre 106% 6
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 105% 1
HIRSCHI Marc 104% 2
VAN GARDEREN Tejay 100.0 7
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh 96% 0
PEDERSEN Casper Phillip 88% 0
GRELLIER Fabien 87% 0
MAS NICOLAU Enric 83% 2
BOL Cees 77% 7
MEZGEC Luka 76% 3
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 75% 1
CHEVALIER Maxime 74% 0
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney 74% 0
POGACAR Tadej 73% 2
URAN URAN Rigoberto 67% 7
LADAGNOUS Matthieu 67% 0
The "I shouldn't have done that" list: those returning less than 10% of their price (ignoring those that no-one picked. Buchmann and Bernal seriously damaged many teams' hopes, but Pinot was on so many teams, and rather ineffectually replaced by the few that didn't have him, that he made little difference.
MOHORIC Matej 9.0 % 1 team
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 8.2 1
SIVAKOV Pavel 8.0 3
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 7.9 1
PINOT Thibaut 6.9 26
DE GENDT Thomas 6.8 4
BUCHMANN Emanuel 6.5 12
BENNETT George 5.9 2
NIZZOLO Giacomo 4.8 3
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 2.8 16
BARDET Romain 0.8 7
ARU Fabio 0.0 2
CRAS Steff 0.0 1
DEBUSSCHERE Jens 0.0 1
DEGENKOLB John 0.0 2
FORMOLO Davide 0.0 2
GAUDU David 0.0 1
LATOUR Pierre 0.0 3
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas 0.0 1
POZZOVIVO Domenico 0.0 3
Impeccable picks
POGACAR Tadej
PORTE Richie
MAS NICOLAU Enric
DUMOULIN Tom
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos
ROWE Luke
REZA Kévin
Best possible team
This might not be the best possible, but without trying too many permutations, this is the best I can find. Let me know if you can find a better one (@Hakkie2 nearly always could, but hasn't been on these games for a while)
POGACAR Tadej
PORTE Richie
MAS NICOLAU Enric
YATES Adam
DUMOULIN Tom
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
HIRSCHI Marc
URAN URAN Rigoberto
Cost 3977, Score 3074 (and 941 for the green game)
Winner's team
POGACAR Tadej 1048
MAS NICOLAU Enric 322
DUMOULIN Tom 282
COQUARD Bryan 122
PINOT Thibaut 54
BUCHMANN Emanuel 33
GIBBONS Ryan 21
DE GENDT Thomas 20
and in terms of what separated him from the 50% identical team of Salvarani
JSG
MAS NICOLAU Enric 322
COQUARD Bryan 122
BUCHMANN Emanuel 33
GIBBONS Ryan 21
Salvarani
MARTIN Guillaume 180
ROLLAND Pierre 152
BOL Cees 113
MARTIN Daniel 30
So essentially, it was Jens Debusschere's sacrificing himself to keep Coquard inside the lime limit on stage 17 that won it for Just Some Guy.
Here is the spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing), and I'll see you all far too soon for the Giro.
Post by: rote_laterne on October 02, 2020, 21:22