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Title: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 20, 2020, 15:17
Well, the dates are different, but everything else is pretty much the same.

You need to pick a team of 8 riders taking part in the Tour, who have a total cost on CQ current rankings (on download to be dated  23 August, presumably available from afternoon of 24th) not exceeding 4000 points.  Your success (or otherwise) is measured by the CQ points gained by the riders in the Tour.

You can find rider prices, the points scoring system, and a selector tool, here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fsciltABJytKjCqQPLeHlUGW3SAvYon3/view?usp=sharing).   There is also a secondary game (the Green points classification) based on your riders' daily positions, regardless of GC and other classifications.

Send your entries in CQ format (Surname, then forename: Danish, Portuguese, Eritrean and Spanish-language names can be difficult, please help me out by looking for the rider on CQranking.com and giving their version of the name, or use the selection tool) by PM on CyclingNews or Velorooms before the race starts at 2pm (French time) on 29th August.  However, please do not try to enter before the appropriate scores are fixed on Monday evening: scores in the selection tool are only an indication until then (and will change due to Nationals and Wallonie/Emilia).

Non-starters or being over budget will be resolved by subbing in the next most expensive from the same team if possible, or next  most expensive in the field if not.  If you don't leave it to the last minute, I will be able to alert you and let you know the substitution that would happen.

Good luck, and enjoy the game.  Any questions, PM me or ask in this thread.

Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 20, 2020, 15:27

Prices are not as low as you might imagine (or hope).  What I think CQ have done for their current rankings is to include not only all results in the last 12 months (as per usual), but also results from 2019 races that had  their 2020 equivalent rescheduled by the time it was due to start.  (Their explanation:"If on the day of the (postponed) race - or the last day of a stage race - the new date has NOT been announced, the points scored in the previous year will be subtracted in our rankings.  If the new date has been published, these points will be retained until the new race date."
So to look at Rui Costa, as an example, his score (download of 16 August) is 500 points:
326 from races in 2020, so nothing unusual
80 from the World Championships (less than a year ago, 2020 version not yet held, same as any other year)
71 from the Canadian GPs (cancelled this year, but still less than a year ago)
23 from last year's Tour de France (more than a year ago, but it was rescheduled before the anniversary date)
His score does not include points from the 2019 Milan-Torino (less than a year ago, but 2020 edition already held), nor his points from earlier than 22/08/19 (except the Tour)  That means that his Tirreno Adriatico and BrabantsePijl/Fleche/AmstelGR points from last year are not in his current price (the 2020 versions have not yet been held, but as of the date the 2020 versions were to take place, they had not yet been rescheduled).

So in short, 2019 points for the Tour and the Giro (and a few other races probably) are still in there although they were more than a year ago, but riders who would probably have gained points in the spring classics or stage races like Romandie/Suisse/Catalunia/Basque Country/Tirreno-Adriatico are cheaper this year than they would be most years.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 24, 2020, 21:23
OK, the price list from CQ has been released, and is on the spreadsheet listed in the OP (this one) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fsciltABJytKjCqQPLeHlUGW3SAvYon3/view?usp=sharing),  and all but 4 of the teams are confirmed (and those that are not seem unlikely to change much), and the first team has been sent in. 


So the game is now fully open: looking forward to receiving your teams (and ChrisDK will receive mine some time this evening).
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: search on August 25, 2020, 10:38
startlist with cq values:

         
#grenadiers INEOS GRENADIERS :cool #ag2r AG2R LA MONDIALE :cool
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 1304   BARDET Romain 525
AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey 172   CHEREL Mikael 89
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 996   COSNEFROY Benoît 488
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan 86   LATOUR Pierre 136
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 178   NAESEN Oliver 661
ROWE Luke 20   PETERS Nans 228
SIVAKOV Pavel 564   VENTURINI Clément 308
VAN BAARLE Dylan 341   VUILLERMOZ Alexis 108
  3661     2543
#astana ASTANA PRO TEAM :cool #bbhotels B&B HOTELS - VITAL CONCEPT :cool
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 852   COQUARD Bryan 262
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 103   BARTHE Cyril 66
HOULE Hugo 87   CHEVALIER Maxime 27
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka 486   DEBUSSCHERE Jens 50
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion 344   GAUTIER Cyril 86
LUTSENKO Alexey 665   PACHER Quentin 126
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 342   REZA Kévin 5
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso 41   ROLLAND Pierre 144
  2920     766
#bahrain BAHRAIN - MCLAREN :cool #bora BORA - HANSGROHE :cool
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello 485   BUCHMANN Emanuel 507
CARUSO Damiano 330   GROSSSCHARTNER Felix 284
COLBRELLI Sonny 648   KÄMNA Lennard 394
HALLER Marco 135   MÜHLBERGER Gregor 375
LANDA MEANA Mikel 981   OSS Daniel 66
MOHORIC Matej 221   PÖSTLBERGER Lukas 73
POELS Wout 198   SAGAN Peter 1036
VALLS FERRI Rafael 120   SCHACHMANN Maximilian 823
  3118     3558
#ccc CCC TEAM :cool #cofidis COFIDIS :cool
DE MARCHI Alessandro 183   VIVIANI Elia 1017
GESCHKE Simon 359   CONSONNI Simone 215
HIRT Jan 115   EDET Nicolas 263
KOCH Jonas 105   HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus 556
SCHÄR Michael 82   LAPORTE Christophe 465
TRENTIN Matteo 1053   MARTIN Guillaume 816
VAN AVERMAET Greg 1205   PEREZ Anthony 131
ZAKARIN Ilnur 324   PERICHON Pierre-Luc 34
  3426     3497
#deceuninck DECEUNINCK - QUICK-STEP :cool #ef EF EDUCATION FIRST :cool
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 1335   URAN URAN Rigoberto 308
ASGREEN Kasper 478   BETTIOL Alberto 296
BENNETT Sam 948   CARTHY Hugh 249
CAVAGNA Rémi 407   HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres 689
DECLERCQ Tim 126   KEUKELEIRE Jens 195
DEVENYNS Dries 309   MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 725
JUNGELS Bob 162   POWLESS Neilson 255
MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael 226   VAN GARDEREN Tejay 20
  3991     2737
#groupama GROUPAMA - FDJ :cool #israel ISRAEL START-UP NATION :cool
PINOT Thibaut 778   MARTIN Daniel 246
BONNET William 20   GREIPEL André 116
GAUDU David 346   HERMANS Ben 149
KÜNG Stefan 724   HOFSTETTER Hugo 244
LADAGNOUS Matthieu 30   NEILANDS Krists 336
MADOUAS Valentin 300   NIV Guy 34
MOLARD Rudy 338   POLITT Nils 243
REICHENBACH Sébastien 225   VAN ASBROECK Tom 342
  2761     1710
#lotto LOTTO SOUDAL :cool #mitchelton MITCHELTON - SCOTT :cool
CRAS Steff 61   YATES Adam 516
DE BUYST Jasper 390   BAUER Jack 142
DE GENDT Thomas 294   BEWLEY Sam 20
DEGENKOLB John 187   CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 442
EWAN Caleb 1388   IMPEY Daryl 526
FRISON Frederik 79   JUUL JENSEN Christopher 50
GILBERT Philippe 510   MEZGEC Luka 179
KLUGE Roger 91   NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel 409
  3000     2284
#movistar MOVISTAR TEAM :cool #ntt NTT PRO CYCLING TEAM :cool
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 1160   BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 106
CATALDO Dario 162   GIBBONS Ryan 169
ERVITI OLLO Imanol 51   GOGL Michael 100
MAS NICOLAU Enric 390   KREUZIGER Roman 140
OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes 181   NIZZOLO Giacomo 825
ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin 130   POZZOVIVO Domenico 130
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc 383   VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael 488
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 30   WALSCHEID Maximilian 277
  2487     2235
#arkea TEAM ARKÉA - SAMSIC :cool #jumbo TEAM JUMBO - VISMA :cool
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 1380   ROGLIC Primoz 2073
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 19   BENNETT George 700
BARGUIL Warren 550   DUMOULIN Tom 139
LEDANOIS Kévin 120   GESINK Robert 126
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney 27   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl 203
ROSA Diego 356   KUSS Sepp 365
RUSSO Clément 78   MARTIN Tony 165
SWIFT Connor 75   VAN AERT Wout 956
  2605     4727
#sunweb TEAM SUNWEB :cool #total TOTAL DIRECT ENERGIE :cool
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh 229   CALMEJANE Lilian 241
ARNDT Nikias 153   BONIFAZIO Niccolo 266
BENOOT Tiesj 702   BURGAUDEAU Mathieu 17
BOL Cees 146   COUSIN Jérôme 29
HIRSCHI Marc 203   GRELLIER Fabien 23
NIEUWENHUIS Joris 12   SICARD Romain 43
PEDERSEN Casper Phillip 40   SOUPE Geoffrey 40
ROCHE Nicolas 181   TURGIS Anthony 409
  1666     1068
#trek TREK - SEGAFREDO :cool #uae UAE TEAM EMIRATES :cool
MOLLEMA Bauke 976   ARU Fabio 247
EG Niklas 116   DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David 220
ELISSONDE Kenny 105   FORMOLO Davide 439
PEDERSEN Mads 665   KRISTOFF Alexander 644
PORTE Richie 761   LAENGEN Vegard Stake 35
SKUJINS Toms 149   MARCATO Marco 43
STUYVEN Jasper 791   POGACAR Tadej 1431
THEUNS Edward 389   POLANC Jan 296
  3952     3355
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: search on August 26, 2020, 15:37
all teams confirmed now

edit: Cavagna in, Stybar out
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 27, 2020, 13:54
Ledanois in for Bouet
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 27, 2020, 14:57
A bit less than 48 hours to go, and with 13 teams in, 43 riders have been chosen, and two of them are way ahead in popularity, while 20 are unique picks.

Four different riders costing more than twice the average 500 pts/man have been selected.

Don't forget to send your selection in.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on August 27, 2020, 16:41
Team in done on my phone so hope all good
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on August 29, 2020, 09:46
I could not pass the chance to win my first CQ game.  ;)
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 10:10
Strange comment from the defending champion....
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 13:34
And as they roll away from Nice, here we go:

30 teams (listed alphabetically), 62 riders selected (listed by price in their teams), 19 unique picks (indicated here by an asterisk)

Amis Velo
   ROGLIC Primoz   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   GIBBONS Ryan   
   HERMANS Ben   
   BOL Cees   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   VAN GARDEREN Tejay   

ArchieBoy
   VAN AERT Wout   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
   SIVAKOV Pavel   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   MEZGEC Luka   
   BOL Cees   
   ROLLAND Pierre   

Armchair Cyclist
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   KÄMNA Lennard   
   URAN URAN Rigoberto   
   DEGENKOLB John   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   VAN GARDEREN Tejay   

Bicycle Boy
   ROGLIC Primoz   
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   POELS Wout   
   HERMANS Ben   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   ELISSONDE Kenny   
   VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
   NIEUWENHUIS Joris   

BikeRacer33
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BARDET Romain   
   FORMOLO Davide   
   KÄMNA Lennard   
   BONIFAZIO Niccolo   *
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   ELISSONDE Kenny   

Blues in the Bottle
   ROGLIC Primoz   
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   COQUARD Bryan   
   JUNGELS Bob   *
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   NIV Guy   *
   VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
   REZA Kévin   

Bminchow
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   SAGAN Peter   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   URAN URAN Rigoberto   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   LATOUR Pierre   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   

ChrisDK
   VAN AERT Wout   
   NIZZOLO Giacomo   
   MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
   CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   
   KÄMNA Lennard   
   DE GENDT Thomas   
   POELS Wout   
   DUMOULIN Tom   

Comodoro
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BARDET Romain   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   
   BOL Cees   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   

Del1962
   ROGLIC Primoz   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BARDET Romain   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   
   ELISSONDE Kenny   
   VAN GARDEREN Tejay   

DJSprtsch
   SAGAN Peter   
   NIZZOLO Giacomo   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   PEDERSEN Mads   *
   URAN URAN Rigoberto   
   ROLLAND Pierre   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   ELISSONDE Kenny   

Googolplex
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   BENNETT Sam   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   KUSS Sepp   
   ARU Fabio   
   BOL Cees   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   PÖSTLBERGER Lukas   *

Josedin
   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   KÄMNA Lennard   
   DE GENDT Thomas   
   COQUARD Bryan   
   REICHENBACH Sébastien   *
   DE MARCHI Alessandro   *

Just Some Guy
   POGACAR Tadej   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DE GENDT Thomas   
   COQUARD Bryan   
   GIBBONS Ryan   
   DUMOULIN Tom   

Koronin
   VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   *
   PINOT Thibaut   
   HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus   *
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   KUSS Sepp   
   SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   *
   COQUARD Bryan   
   DUMOULIN Tom   

Laarsland
   BENNETT Sam   
   LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   
   NIZZOLO Giacomo   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   MEZGEC Luka   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   LATOUR Pierre   
   POZZOVIVO Domenico   

LeadBelly
   MARTIN Guillaume   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   SIVAKOV Pavel   
   BARDET Romain   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   FORMOLO Davide   
   HERMANS Ben   
   DUMOULIN Tom   

Mellow Velo
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   LANDA MEANA Mikel   *
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   BOL Cees   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   POZZOVIVO Domenico   
   REZA Kévin   

Northerner
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BARDET Romain   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   ROLLAND Pierre   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   NIEUWENHUIS Joris   

Otoxiep87
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   MEZGEC Luka   
   BOL Cees   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   CRAS Steff   *

Pirate81
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BENNETT George   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   KÄMNA Lennard   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   POZZOVIVO Domenico   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   

Ray10
   VAN AERT Wout   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BENNETT George   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   KÄMNA Lennard   
   GAUDU David   *
   KWIATKOWSKI Michal   *
   DUMOULIN Tom   

Rote Laterne
   QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   *
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   URAN URAN Rigoberto   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   DEBUSSCHERE Jens   *
   VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos   *
   REZA Kévin   

SafeBet
   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   COQUARD Bryan   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   LATOUR Pierre   
   VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
   ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew   *

Salvarani
   POGACAR Tadej   
   MARTIN Guillaume   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   DE GENDT Thomas   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   BOL Cees   
   ROLLAND Pierre   
   DUMOULIN Tom   

Scrool07
   LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
   BARDET Romain   
   KÄMNA Lennard   
   KUSS Sepp   
   HIRSCHI Marc   
   DUMOULIN Tom   

Search
   BENNETT Sam   
   LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   BARDET Romain   
   URAN URAN Rigoberto   
   MOHORIC Matej   *
   HIRSCHI Marc   
   DUMOULIN Tom   

Shalgo
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   BENNETT Sam   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   URAN URAN Rigoberto   
   DEGENKOLB John   
   GIBBONS Ryan   
   ROLLAND Pierre   
   DUMOULIN Tom   

TRiley36
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   SIVAKOV Pavel   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   URAN URAN Rigoberto   
   ARU Fabio   
   ROLLAND Pierre   
   DUMOULIN Tom   

Yellow Knight
   BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   
   SAGAN Peter   
   MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
   BUCHMANN Emanuel   
   HERMANS Ben   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   ELISSONDE Kenny   
   VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on August 29, 2020, 14:00
Wow MV only 1 with Landa :0
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 14:41
Rider Popularity
When 3 managers were able to ignore the hype around Remco Evenepoel for the edition of the Emerging Riders game for which he was eligible I should have admitted to myself that 100% selection of a rider in a CQ game would never happen.  But Tom Dumoulin available here at 139 points, it seemed likely.

No.

28 teams (out of 30): DUMOULIN Tom
26: PINOT Thibaut
16: BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
12: BUCHMANN Emanuel
7: BARDET Romain, BOL Cees, KÄMNA Lennard, URAN URAN Rigoberto, VAN GARDEREN Tejay
(The Collective Wisdom team will be the 4 riders on a dozen or more teams, plus 80% of the total of the five men selected seven times, it is quite a long way under budget at 3842)
6: LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel, ROLLAND Pierre
5: COQUARD Bryan, ELISSONDE Kenny
4: BENNETT Sam, DE GENDT Thomas, HERMANS Ben, MARTIN Daniel, MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe, ROGLIC Primoz
3: GIBBONS Ryan, KUSS Sepp, LATOUR Pierre, MEZGEC Luka, NIZZOLO Giacomo, POZZOVIVO Domenico, REZA Kévin, SAGAN Peter, SIVAKOV Pavel, VAN AERT Wout
2: ALAPHILIPPE Julian, ARU Fabio, BENNETT George, BOASSON HAGEN Edvald, CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban, DEGENKOLB John, FORMOLO Davide, HIRSCHI Marc, MARTIN Guillaume, MAS NICOLAU Enric, NIEUWENHUIS Joris, POELS Wout, POGACAR Tadej, TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso

Maybe ArchieBoy and Josedin will let us know why they thought Pierre Rolland and Alessandro De Marchi respectively were likely to score more than Dumoulin.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 15:22
Popularity ranking

1=   Comodoro   100
1=   Triley36   100
3=   Armchair_Cyclist   99
3=   Otoxiep87   99
5=   Mellow_Velo   96
5=   Pirate81   96
7   Northerner   95
8=   BikeRacer33   92
8=   Shalgo   92
10   AmisVelo   91
11   Bminchow   89
12   SafeBet   88
13   Googolplex   87
14   Leadbelly   84
15=   Del1962   83
15=   Rote_Laterne   83
15=   Scrool07   83
18   JustSomeGuy   82
19   Search   81
20   Ray10   80
21=   DJSprtsch   79
21=   Salvarani   79
21=   Yellow_Knight   79
24   Laarsland   76
25   BicycleBoy   68
26   Koronin   67
27   BluesInTheBottle   65
28   ArchieBoy   64
29   Josedin   58
30   ChrisDK   53
   Collective_Wisdom   110


Main picks 
The average budget per rider is 500pts: the riders who cost 1.5x that or more are:

Roglic and Bernal:   Blues in the Bottle,   Bicycle Boy
Roglic and Pinot:   Amis Velo,   Del1962
               
               
Pogacar with G Martin and Pinot:   Salvarani
Pogacar and Pinot:   Just Some Guy         
               
Quintana with Bernal   and Pinot:   Rote Laterne
               
Alaphilippe with Bernal   and Pinot:   SafeBet
Alaphilippe and Pinot:   Josedin
               
Bernal with Sagan:   Yellow Knight
Bernal with Sagan and Pinot:   Bminchow
Bernal with Landa and Pinot:   Mellow Velo
Bernal with S Bennett and Pinot:   Googolplex,   Shalgo
Bernal with Lopez and Pinot:   Armchair Cyclist,   Northerner,   Otoxiep
Bernal and Pinot:   BikeRacer33,   Comodoro,   Pirate81,   TRiley37
               
Valverde and Pinot:   Koronin
               
Sagan with Nizzolo and Pinot:   DJSprtsch
               
Van Aert   and Nizzolo:   ChrisDK
Van Aert   and Pinot:   ArchieBoy,   Ray 10   
               
S Bennett with Lopez and Pinot:   Search   
               
Lopez and Pinot:   Scrool07   
               
G Martin and Pinot:   Leadbelly   

Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 17:54
A couple more things I should add before I start getting on with today's stage result:

If anything unscheduled happens that would affect scoring, I will avoid ever having to make a decision by following the point allocation of CQRankings.com.

I might not post the link to the spreadsheet in every evening's updates, but it should be synchronised on Google Drive, and be available here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing) throughout.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Mellow Velo on August 29, 2020, 19:10
Wow MV only 1 with Landa :0

He went OK on the big hills in the Dauphine, just lost time in that final frenetic stage.
There a lot of big climbs in this race and he's solo leader.
That was my thinking.
Out of interest, this was my first team selected.

ROGLIC Primoz         
PINOT Thibaut   
BUCHMANN Emanuel   
ZAKARIN  Ilnur
BOL  Cees   
DUMOULIN Tom       
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew   
REZA Kévin     

Be interesting to see which lot do best.             


Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 29, 2020, 21:38
Stage 1

Green points

I'm not sure that we have any new managers this time around, but in case we have, or anyone has forgotten, these are the stage points for the first 10 finishers in each stage, distributed 80, 50, 35, 25, 15, 10, 5, 3, 2, 1.


1   DJSprtsch   70 (Pedersen, Sagan and Nizzolo)
2   Googolplex   60 (Bol and Bennett)
3=   AmisVelo, ArchieBoy, Comodoro, Mellow_Velo, Otoxiep87, Salvarani   35 (Bol)
9   Laarsland   30 (Bennett and Nizzolo)
10=   Search, Shalgo,    25 (Bennett)
12=   Bminchow, Yellow_Knight   15 (Sagan)
14   ChrisDK   5 (Nizzolo)
15   BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet   3 (Coquard)
20=   Everyone else   0
   Collective_Wisdom   28

Main game

There are far more points available than the stage points of the green competition,  Most importantly, the GC rankings, but also 20 points for wearing the yellow jersey (apart from after stage 21) and points for the KoM and Sprints classifications.  So had anyone picked Kristoff, he would give them 80 for today's stage, 20 for being leader (these 100 points would be certain, whereas those that follow can, and for Kristoff surely will, reduce) 600 for top place in GC, and 80 for top in the points classification)

These rankings are therefore about as secure as Kristoff's grasp on the race lead, but we have to start somewhere.

1   DJSprtsch   1233
2   Googolplex   939
3   Laarsland   823
4   ArchieBoy   691
5   Otoxiep87   669
6   Salvarani   641
7   AmisVelo   596
8   Comodoro   584
9   Mellow_Velo   579
10   Search   518
11   Shalgo   515
12   Yellow_Knight   511
13   Bminchow   494
14   JustSomeGuy   435
15   ChrisDK   424
16   BluesInTheBottle   374
17   Koronin   366
18   SafeBet   362
19   Josedin   348
20   BikeRacer33   213
21   BicycleBoy   209
22   Leadbelly   207
23   Northerner   197
24   Scrool07   195
25   Ray10   187
26   Del1962   180
27   Rote_Laterne   178
28   Pirate81   174
28   Triley36   174
30   Armchair_Cyclist   154
   Collective_Wisdom   498

And Shalgo and I have both lost a rider already.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 30, 2020, 18:31
Stage 2

Green points

Today

1=   Josedin, SafeBet   80 (Alaphilippe)
3=   Scrool07, Search   50 (Hirschi)
5=   JustSomeGuy, Salvarani   3 (Pogacar)
No-one else scored.  A change in the minor classification after discussion before the Vuelta last year means that the two Alaphilippe teams don't get the 20 points for leading the GC table (in this classification, they still get them in the main game).

Standings
SafeBet and Josedin don't only share Alaphilippe, but also Coquard, so they had the same points yesterday and are still not separated in this competition.
1=   Josedin   83
1=   SafeBet   83
3   Search   75
4   DJSprtsch   70
5   Googolplex   60
6   Scrool07   50
7   Salvarani   38
8=   AmisVelo   35
8=   ArchieBoy   35
8=   Comodoro   35
8=   Mellow_Velo   35
8=   Otoxiep87   35

Main game

Most of the points are projected points: in previous years I have described that as 'if the Tour were to finish here', but in 2020 that seems unsubtle.  But because they are projections they become closer to reality the nearer we get to the end of the race, and scores can go down as well as up (So had anyone picked Kristoff, he had 780 points yesterday (80 for stage win, 20 Yellow jersey points, 600 for top of GC and 80 for top of green jersey), today he has 200 (he can't lose the stage winner and yellow jersey wearer points, even if he doesn't finish the Tour, but his 600 race leader points have dropped to 20 for being 129th on GC, and he still has the lead in the sprints classification, but will probably lose some placings in that over the next three weeks) and so his points difference on the day is -580.  And if individual riders can get negative daily scores, so can a team.


The main points changes, as they affect riders selected for our teams:
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   695   2   teams
HIRSCHI Marc   416   2   teams
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   235   2   teams
POGACAR Tadej   205   2   teams
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   174   16   teams
FORMOLO Davide   171   2   teams
DUMOULIN Tom   132   28   teams
ROGLIC Primoz   108   4   teams
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   100   1   team
MARTIN Guillaume   90   2   teams
BUCHMANN Emanuel   80   12   teams
---
COQUARD Bryan   -183   5   teams
NIZZOLO Giacomo   -210   3   teams
SAGAN Peter   -255   3   teams
BENNETT Sam   -300   4   teams
BOL Cees   -370   7   teams
PEDERSEN Mads   -470   1   team

Scores will probably not fluctuate this violently most days:
1   SafeBet   909 (Alaphilippe, Bernal, Dumoulin, but Coquard)
2   Scrool07   636(Hirschi and Dumoulin)
3   Josedin   617 (Alaphilippe, but Coquard: A rare Dumoulin-less team)
4   BikeRacer33   588 (Bernal, Formolo and Dumoulin)
5   Leadbelly   543
6   Triley36   501
7   Rote_Laterne   464
8   BicycleBoy   432
8   Pirate81   432
10   Northerner   429
11   Armchair_Cyclist   399
12   Search   388
13   Del1962   351
14   Comodoro   321
15   JustSomeGuy   303
16   Ray10   252
17   BluesInTheBottle   231
18   Bminchow   181
19   Yellow_Knight   160
20   ChrisDK   136
21   Salvarani   125
22   Koronin   123
23   Shalgo   102
24   Mellow_Velo   76
25   Otoxiep87   -20
26   AmisVelo   -38
27   ArchieBoy   -333
28   Googolplex   -334
28   Laarsland   -334
30   DJSprtsch   -655
   Collective_Wisdom   182

Standings

No real correspondence to yesterday's table: the top two have both risen 17 places and Scrool 19.
That looks like an enormous, as if unsurmountable, lead already: how realistic it is, like the GC tables in last year's tour, depends on the durability of Alaphilippe's tenure of yellow.
1   SafeBet   1271
2   Josedin   965
3   Search   906
4   Comodoro   905
5   Scrool07   831
6   BikeRacer33   801
7   Salvarani   766
8   Leadbelly   750
9   JustSomeGuy   738
10   Bminchow   675
10   Triley36   675
12   Yellow_Knight   671
13   Mellow_Velo   655
14   Otoxiep87   649
15   Rote_Laterne   642
16   BicycleBoy   641
17   Northerner   626
18   Shalgo   617
19   Pirate81   606
20   BluesInTheBottle   605
20   Googolplex   605
22   DJSprtsch   578
23   ChrisDK   560
24   AmisVelo   558
25   Armchair_Cyclist   553
26   Del1962   531
27   Koronin   489
27   Laarsland   489
29   Ray10   439
30   ArchieBoy   358
   Collective_Wisdom   680


Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 31, 2020, 19:38
Stage 3

I waited a while in case Sam Bennett was relegated, but I'm assuming that if it hasn't been announced by now, it won't happen.

Green points

Today

1   Laarsland   85 (Bennett and Nizzolo)
2   Googolplex   55 (Bennett and Bol)
3=   DJSprtsch (Nizzolo and Sagan), Search, Shalgo (Bennett) 50
6   ChrisDK   35
7   Bminchow, Yellow_Knight   15
9=   AmisVelo, ArchieBoy, Comodoro, Mellow_Velo, Otoxiep87, Salvarani   5
15=   BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet   2
20   BikeRacer33   1
21   The rest   0

Standings

1   Search   125 (+2)
2   DJSprtsch   120 (+2)
3=   Googolplex   115 (+2)
3=   Laarsland   115 (+10)
5=   Josedin   85 (-4)
5=   SafeBet   85 (-4)
7   Shalgo   75 (+7)
8   Scrool07   50
9   Salvarani   43
10=   AmisVelo   40
10=   ArchieBoy   40
10=   ChrisDK   40
10=   Comodoro   40
10=   Mellow_Velo   40
10=   Otoxiep87   40


Main Game

On sprint or breakaway stages, there are often few changes other than those in the Green classification, but while so many riders are on the same time, cumulative positions cause some GC changes.

DUMOULIN Tom   70   28   teams
MARTIN Guillaume   70   2   
FORMOLO Davide   60   2   
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   60   16   
BENNETT Sam   60   4   
NIZZOLO Giacomo   45   3   
SAGAN Peter   45   3
POGACAR Tadej   30   2   
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   30   1
BARDET Romain   21   7
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   20   1
---
KWIATKOWSKI Michal   -15   1
LATOUR Pierre   -16   3
ELISSONDE Kenny   -16   5
ROGLIC Primoz   -40   4
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   -100   2

Today
1   Leadbelly   221  (Dumoulin, Martin, Formolo, Bardet)
2   Googolplex   208 (Dumoulin, Bernal, Bennett)
3   BikeRacer33   202   (Dumoulin, Bernal, Bennett and Bardet, but Elissonde)
4   Laarsland   182
5   Shalgo   178
6   Salvarani   174
7   Northerner   163
8   Search   160
9   Bminchow   157
10   Yellow_Knight   155
11   Otoxiep87   154
12   Mellow_Velo   151
13   Rote_Laterne   148
14   Armchair_Cyclist   144
15   Pirate81   132
15   SafeBet   132
17   DJSprtsch   123
18   Triley36   114
19   Scrool07   112
20   BluesInTheBottle   95
20   Koronin   95
22   JustSomeGuy   93
23   BicycleBoy   74
24   Comodoro   59
25   Ray10   46
26   Del1962   41
27   AmisVelo   38
28   Josedin   10
29   ChrisDK   7
30   ArchieBoy   -10
   Collective_Wisdom   147

Standings

SafeBet still has that huge lead, but Search moves up one place, and Bikeracer three.  Leadbelly (also 3 places) and Bminchow are also heading the right way within the top ten, and Googolplex has moved up 8.

1   SafeBet   1403
2   Search   1066
3   BikeRacer33   1003
4   Josedin   975
5   Leadbelly   971
6   Comodoro   964
7   Scrool07   943
8   Salvarani   940
9   Bminchow   832
10   JustSomeGuy   831
11   Yellow_Knight   826
12   Googolplex   813
13   Mellow_Velo   806
14   Otoxiep87   803
15   Shalgo   795
16   Rote_Laterne   790
17   Northerner   789
17   Triley36   789
19   Pirate81   738
20   BicycleBoy   715
21   DJSprtsch   701
22   BluesInTheBottle   700
23   Armchair_Cyclist   697
24   Laarsland   671
25   AmisVelo   596
26   Koronin   584
27   Del1962   572
28   ChrisDK   567
29   Ray10   485
30   ArchieBoy   348
   Collective_Wisdom   827


I guess we will find out tomorrow whether Alaphippe (and therefore SafeBet and Josedin) is a true yellow jersey contender, or just a holder in the early stages.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: bikeracer33 on August 31, 2020, 22:30
I don't have Bennett on my team
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 01, 2020, 11:32
I don't have Bennett on my team
My habit of copying and editing sentences, because I am of an age not to have grown up at a keyboard, has been unveiled. Sorry for the error
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 01, 2020, 19:15
Stage 4 First Mountain-ish Top Finish

Green points

Today
If you get 2nd and 3rd, you can beat a team that has the stage winner

1   Salvarani   88 (Pogacar, Martin and Pinot)
2=   BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle   85 (Roglic and Pogacar)
4   AmisVelo, Del1962   83 (Roglic and Pinot)
6   JustSomeGuy   53 (Pogacar and Pinot)
7   Leadbelly   38
8   Rote_Laterne   33
9   SafeBet   23
10=   Armchair_Cyclist, Josedin, Northerner, Otoxiep87   18
14=   Laarsland, Scrool07, Search   13
17   Mellow_Velo   10
18=   BikeRacer33, Bminchow, Comodoro, Googolplex, Pirate81, Shalgo, Triley36   8
25   Yellow_Knight   5
26=   ArchieBoy, DJSprtsch, Koronin, Ray10   3
30   ChrisDK   0

Standings

To celebrate everyone getting off the mark, I'll post that whole table: Salvarani moved up 7 places to second, and Blues in the Bottle, Bicycle Boy and Del all move 10 places or more.

1   Search   138
2   Salvarani   131
3   Laarsland   128
4   AmisVelo   123
4   DJSprtsch   123
4   Googolplex   123
7   SafeBet   108
8   Josedin   103
9   BluesInTheBottle   90
10   BicycleBoy   85
11   Del1962   83
11   Shalgo   83
13   Scrool07   63
14   JustSomeGuy   61
15   Otoxiep87   58
16   Mellow_Velo   50
17   Comodoro   48
18   ArchieBoy   43
19   ChrisDK   40
20   Bminchow   38
20   Leadbelly   38
22   Yellow_Knight   35
23   Rote_Laterne   33
24   Armchair_Cyclist   18
24   Northerner   18
26   BikeRacer33   9
27   Koronin   8
27   Pirate81   8
27   Triley36   8
30   Ray10   3
   Collective_Wisdom   8

Main Game

The less obvious points are mainly gained by riders overtaking those who fell out of the 17 second group.

ROGLIC Primoz   395   4 teams
MARTIN Guillaume   155   2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   103   6
POGACAR Tadej   77   2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   66   1
LANDA MEANA Mikel   65   1
PINOT Thibaut   64   26
URAN URAN Rigoberto   49   7
BARDET Romain   42   7
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   40   2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   38   2
---
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   -40   1
FORMOLO Davide   -231   2
HIRSCHI Marc   -318   2


Today

1   Del1962   507 (Roglic, Pinot, Bardet)
2   AmisVelo   451 (Roglic, Pinot)
3   BicycleBoy   406
4   BluesInTheBottle   398
5   Salvarani   296
6   Armchair_Cyclist   221
7   Northerner   216
8   Rote_Laterne   184
9   Laarsland   180
10   Otoxiep87   164
11   JustSomeGuy   150
12   Comodoro   143
13   Mellow_Velo   136
14   Shalgo   135
15   DJSprtsch   125
16   Triley36   117
17   Bminchow   102
18   Googolplex   101
18   Josedin   101
20   SafeBet   88
21   Koronin   83
22   Pirate81   72
23   ArchieBoy   62
24   Ray10   56
25   ChrisDK   49
26   Leadbelly   24
27   Yellow_Knight   9
28   Search   -45
29   Scrool07   -89
30   BikeRacer33   -114
   Collective_Wisdom   134

Standings

That might not have looked like a very exciting stage, but it has caused some huge changes of position.  SafeBet remains top (and I suspect will do for as long as Alaphilippe is in yellow) but Salvarani has risen 6 places to 2nd, while Bicycle Boy, Blues in the Bottle and Amis Velo have each jumped 17 places, and Del 21, to get into the top ten.

1   SafeBet   1491
2   Salvarani   1236
3   BicycleBoy   1121
4   Comodoro   1107
5   BluesInTheBottle   1098
6   Del1962   1079
7   Josedin   1076
8   AmisVelo   1047
9   Search   1021
10   Northerner   1005
11   Leadbelly   995
12   JustSomeGuy   981
13   Rote_Laterne   974
14   Otoxiep87   967
15   Mellow_Velo   942
16   Bminchow   934
17   Shalgo   930
18   Armchair_Cyclist   918
19   Googolplex   914
20   Triley36   906
21   BikeRacer33   889
22   Scrool07   854
23   Laarsland   851
24   Yellow_Knight   835
25   DJSprtsch   826
26   Pirate81   810
27   Koronin   667
28   ChrisDK   616
29   Ray10   541
30   ArchieBoy   410
   Collective_Wisdom   961

I wouldn't expect much change tomorrow.


Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 02, 2020, 23:39
Stage 5  Far more to talk about half an hour after it finished than during the stage.

Green points

Today

1   ArchieBoy   140 (Van Aert, Bol and Mezgec)
2   Googolplex   85 (Bol and Bennett)
3=   ChrisDK, Ray10   80 (Van Aert)
5   Otoxiep87   60 (Bol and Mazgec)
6=   AmisVelo, Comodoro, Mellow_Velo, Salvarani   50 (Bol)
10   Laarsland   45
11=   Search, Shalgo   35
13=   Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Yellow_Knight   25
16=   BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet   5
21=   The rest   0
   Collective_Wisdom   40

Standings

The huge daily score didn't put Archie top, but he does rise 16 places to second, behing Googolplex who rises from 4th.

1   Googolplex   208
2   ArchieBoy   183
3   Salvarani   181
4   AmisVelo   173
4   Laarsland   173
4   Search   173
7   DJSprtsch   148
8   ChrisDK   120
9   Otoxiep87   118
9   Shalgo   118

Main Game

That bottle cost the Alaphilippe teams (Safebet and Josedin) 526 points each, and was the main reason for point changes other than the sprint.  The Bennett teams get a boost from him moving into green.

VAN AERT Wout   86   3 teams
ROGLIC Primoz   70   4
BENNETT Sam   65   4
POGACAR Tadej   58   2
BOL Cees   54   7
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   50   1
BARDET Romain   30   7
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   30   16
DUMOULIN Tom   30   28
MARTIN Guillaume   30   2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   20   6
---
NIZZOLO Giacomo   -12   3
KUSS Sepp   -18   3
ELISSONDE Kenny   -20   5
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus   -20   1
HIRSCHI Marc   -20   2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   -510   2

Today

1   Googolplex   187 (Bennett, Bol, Bernal, Dumoulin)
2   Salvarani   186 (Pogacar, Bol, Bernal, Martin)
3   ArchieBoy   174 (Van Aert, Bol)
4   AmisVelo   164 (Roglic, Col, Dumoulin)
5   Comodoro   154
5   Otoxiep87   154
7   Shalgo   149
8   Mellow_Velo   146
9   Search   145
10   BluesInTheBottle   142
11   Rote_Laterne   130
12   Laarsland   127
13   Northerner   124
14   Ray10   121
15   Del1962   120
16   ChrisDK   114
17   BicycleBoy   110
17   JustSomeGuy   110
19   Leadbelly   104
20   Armchair_Cyclist   100
20   Triley36   100
22   BikeRacer33   84
23   Pirate81   76
24   Bminchow   66
25   Scrool07   62
26   Yellow_Knight   45
27   Koronin   28
28   DJSprtsch   17
29   SafeBet   -436
30   Josedin   -492
   Collective_Wisdom   145

Standings

Remember a few days ago, when Safebet's lead looked insurmountable?  Salvarani moves up one to the top, while Bicycle Boy also falls off the podium, making space for Comodoro and BitB.  Otoxiep87 and Rote Laterne move into the top ten, and Googolplex has the biggest rise.

1   Salvarani   1422
2   Comodoro   1261
3   BluesInTheBottle   1240
4   BicycleBoy   1231
5   AmisVelo   1211
6   Del1962   1199
7   Search   1166
8   Northerner   1129
9   Otoxiep87   1121
10   Rote_Laterne   1104
11   Googolplex   1101
12   Leadbelly   1099
13   JustSomeGuy   1091
14   Mellow_Velo   1088
15   Shalgo   1079
16   SafeBet   1055
17   Armchair_Cyclist   1018
18   Triley36   1006
19   Bminchow   1000
20   Laarsland   978
21   BikeRacer33   973
22   Scrool07   916
23   Pirate81   886
24   Yellow_Knight   880
25   DJSprtsch   843
26   ChrisDK   730
27   Koronin   695
28   Ray10   662
29   ArchieBoy   584
29   Josedin   584
   Collective_Wisdom   1106

And tomorrow should bee more of a shakedown, and further thinning out of the 17 13 second group.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 03, 2020, 19:53
Stage 6 A breakaway, but no GC action on MTF

Green points

Today

1   Koronin   50 (Herrada)
2   SafeBet   18 (Alaphilippe and Bernal)
3   Josedin   15 (Alaphilippe)
4   Ray10   5 (Kwiatkowski)
5   Fifteen other teams with Bernal   3
20   Others   0
   Collective_Wisdom   3

Standings

The two Alaphilippe teams move up 3 places each, the others in the top ten scored 0 or 3.

1   Googolplex   211
2   ArchieBoy   183
3   Salvarani   181
4   AmisVelo   173
4   Laarsland   173
4   Search   173
7   DJSprtsch   148
8   SafeBet   131
9   Josedin   123
10   Otoxiep87   121
10   Shalgo   121

Main Game

Shuffling of position in the 13 second group will carry on happening, and having short term effects on our scores, for as long as those riders keep arriving as part of a large-ish group.

HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus   74   1 team
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   30   2
BARDET Romain   20   7
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   19   2
KWIATKOWSKI Michal   11   1
PINOT Thibaut   10   26
---
LANDA MEANA Mikel   -10   1
ROGLIC Primoz   -10   4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   -20   6
POGACAR Tadej   -20   2
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   -21   1
HIRSCHI Marc   -23   2
LATOUR Pierre   -27   3
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   -31   1
FORMOLO Davide   -32   2

Today

A range of 107 from top score to bottom is very small in thes games.

1   Koronin   67  (Herrada and Pinot, but Sanchez)
2   Comodoro   61 (Chaves, Bardet and Pinot)
3   Josedin   34 (Alaphilippe and Pinot)
4   Del1962   28
5   ChrisDK   27
6   DJSprtsch   19
6   Ray10   19
8   Googolplex   17
8   Triley36   17
10   Northerner   15
10   Pirate81   15
10   Shalgo   15
10   Yellow_Knight   15
14   BikeRacer33   9
15   ArchieBoy   8
16   SafeBet   5
17   BicycleBoy   1
18   Mellow_Velo   -1
19   AmisVelo   -2
20   Scrool07   -5
21   Armchair_Cyclist   -7
21   BluesInTheBottle   -7
23   Otoxiep87   -9
24   JustSomeGuy   -10
25   Leadbelly   -11
26   Search   -13
27   Bminchow   -14
28   Rote_Laterne   -18
29   Salvarani   -19
30   Laarsland   -40
   Collective_Wisdom   27

Standings

The highest change of position is Del overtaking Amis Velo for 5th, Googolplex enters the top ten, and Shalgo managed to move up 4, but exactly half the teams have not changed position at all.  It was that sort of a day.

1   Salvarani   1403
2   Comodoro   1322
3   BluesInTheBottle   1233
4   BicycleBoy   1232
5   Del1962   1227
6   AmisVelo   1209
7   Search   1153
8   Northerner   1144
9   Googolplex   1118
10   Otoxiep87   1112
11   Shalgo   1094
12   Leadbelly   1088
13   Mellow_Velo   1087
14   Rote_Laterne   1086
15   JustSomeGuy   1081
16   SafeBet   1060
17   Triley36   1023
18   Armchair_Cyclist   1011
19   Bminchow   986
20   BikeRacer33   982
21   Laarsland   938
22   Scrool07   911
23   Pirate81   901
24   Yellow_Knight   895
25   DJSprtsch   862
26   Koronin   762
27   ChrisDK   757
28   Ray10   681
29   Josedin   618
30   ArchieBoy   592
   Collective_Wisdom   1133

And I'm not sure that tomorrow will see much more change.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 04, 2020, 20:00
Stage 7
 
And I'm not sure that tomorrow will see much more change.
Shows what I know, important splits from the start, and echelons.

Green points

Today

1   ArchieBoy, ChrisDK, Ray10   80 (Van Aert)
4   Comodoro   53 (Boasson Hagen and Bernal)
5   Del1962   50 (Boasson Hagen)
6=   BluesInTheBottle, SafeBet   38 (Coquard and Bernal)
8   Koronin   36 (Coquard and Valverde)
9=   Josedin, JustSomeGuy   35 (Coquard)
11=   Bernalistas   3
24=   the rest   0
   Collective_Wisdom   3

Standings

The top two swap places, ChrisDK jumps from 12th to 3rd

1   ArchieBoy   263
2   Googolplex   214
3   ChrisDK   200
4   Salvarani   181
5=   AmisVelo   173
5=   Laarsland   173
5=   Search   173
8   SafeBet   169
9   Ray10   168
10   Josedin   158

Main Game

Bora and early gradients brought about points classification change, then Ineos and late winds laid into the GC.

VAN AERT Wout   116   3 teams
MARTIN Guillaume   60   2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   60   1
BARDET Romain   50   7
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   50   2
COQUARD Bryan   50   5
PINOT Thibaut   50   26
URAN URAN Rigoberto   50   7
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   46   2
BUCHMANN Emanuel   42   12
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   40   6
---
BENNETT Sam   -30   4
LANDA MEANA Mikel   -43   1
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   -142   2
POGACAR Tadej   -286   2

Today

1   Ray10   251 (Van Aert, Pinot, Buchmann)
2   Leadbelly   236 (Martin, Pinot, Bardet, Buchmann)
3   Rote_Laterne   223 (Quintana, Pinot, Uran)
4   SafeBet   209 (Pinot, Coquard, Alaphilippe)
5   Triley36   207
6   Armchair_Cyclist   203
6   Northerner   203
8   Koronin   199
9   Bminchow   193
9   Otoxiep87   193
11   Josedin   192
12   Search   190
13   ArchieBoy   185
14   Del1962   161
15   Scrool07   159
16   BikeRacer33   148
17   DJSprtsch   139
18   Pirate81   136
19   Shalgo   133
20   AmisVelo   120
21   BluesInTheBottle   113
22   Comodoro   111
23   Yellow_Knight   95
24   Googolplex   93
25   Mellow_Velo   83
26   Laarsland   61
27   BicycleBoy   44
28   ChrisDK   -19
29   JustSomeGuy   -76
30   Salvarani   -148
   Collective_Wisdom   233


Standings

After Alaphilippe's bottle, Pogacar's puncture becomes the second cause of a dramatic fall from top spot.  It is, we discover today, possible for the same team to make a huge jump to 3rd place in the green competition and drop several places to last on the same day.

Comodoro moves into pole from second, and Del rises from 5th to 2nd.  Northerner completes the podium with a 5 place rise, matched by one entry to the top ten, Leadbelly, and beaten by the other one, Rote Laterne.

1   Comodoro   1433
2   Del1962   1388
3   Northerner   1347
4   BluesInTheBottle   1346
5   Search   1343
6   AmisVelo   1329
7   Leadbelly   1324
8   Rote_Laterne   1309
9   Otoxiep87   1305
10   BicycleBoy   1276
11   SafeBet   1269
12   Salvarani   1255
13   Triley36   1230
14   Shalgo   1227
15   Armchair_Cyclist   1214
16   Googolplex   1211
17   Bminchow   1179
18   Mellow_Velo   1170
19   BikeRacer33   1130
20   Scrool07   1070
21   Pirate81   1037
22   JustSomeGuy   1005
23   DJSprtsch   1001
24   Laarsland   999
25   Yellow_Knight   990
26   Koronin   961
27   Ray10   932
28   Josedin   810
29   ArchieBoy   777
30   ChrisDK   738
   Collective_Wisdom   1367

I'm going to stop guessing how exciting, or influential in the game, the next stage will be.

Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 05, 2020, 22:07
Stage 8 First of the Pyrenean double

Green points

Today

The breakaway members did not feature high in the popular selections

1=   Rote_Laterne   35 (Verona)
2=   Leadbelly   11 (Hermans and Bardet)
3=   AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, Yellow_Knight   10 (Hermans)
6=   JustSomeGuy, Salvarani   2 (Pogacar)
8=   BikeRacer33, Comodoro, Del1962, Northerner, Scrool07, Search   1 (Bardet)
14   The rest   0
   Collective_Wisdom   1

Standings

Amis Velo moving from joint 5th to joint 4th is the only progress in this group.

1   ArchieBoy   263
2   Googolplex   214
3   ChrisDK   200
4   AmisVelo   183
4   Salvarani   183
6   Search   174
7   Laarsland   173
8   SafeBet   169
9   Ray10   168
10   Josedin   158


Main game

All but 2 teams (ArchieBoy and Josedin) had Dumoulin, who is at least still pretty good for his price, though apparently no longer the contender he was.
All but 4 teams (Bicycle Boy, Blues in the Bottle, ChrisDK and Yellow Knight) have Pinot, who is not going to make a good return on his price.

BARDET Romain   91   7 teams
POGACAR Tadej   83   2
LANDA MEANA Mikel   53   1
MAS NICOLAU Enric   40   2
URAN URAN Rigoberto   40   7
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos   40   1
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   30   6
ELISSONDE Kenny   23   5
---
NIZZOLO Giacomo   -20   3
ROGLIC Primoz   -24   4
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   -30   16
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   -33   1
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   -83   2
PINOT Thibaut   -131   26
DUMOULIN Tom   -190   28


None of us come out of this well:
1   ArchieBoy   -118 (Only Pinot as a disaster)
2   Search   -160 (Bardet, Uran and Lopez, but Pinot and Dumoulin)
3   Yellow_Knight   -177(Elissonde but Bernal and Dumoulin)
4   JustSomeGuy   -188
5   ChrisDK   -205
6   Scrool07   -206
7   Josedin   -207
8   BicycleBoy   -211
9   Leadbelly   -226
9   Northerner   -226
11   Del1962   -231
12   Salvarani   -235
13   BluesInTheBottle   -244
13   Comodoro   -244
15   BikeRacer33   -252
16   Rote_Laterne   -271
17   DJSprtsch   -274
18   Armchair_Cyclist   -281
19   Mellow_Velo   -294
20   Triley36   -299
21   Shalgo   -307
22   Bminchow   -308
23   Otoxiep87   -311
24   Ray10   -312
25   Laarsland   -317
26   AmisVelo   -325
27   Pirate81   -340
28   Koronin   -342
29   Googolplex   -359
30   SafeBet   -434
   Collective_Wisdom   -236


Standings

How has it taken me this many years to realise that if I change the order of the columns in my spreadsheet, I can show the daily change of positions dead easily?

1   Comodoro   1189   0
2   Search   1183   3
3   Del1962   1157   -1
4   Northerner   1121   -1
5   BluesInTheBottle   1102   -1
6   Leadbelly   1098   1
7   BicycleBoy   1065   3
8   Rote_Laterne   1038   0
9   Salvarani   1020   3
10   AmisVelo   1004   -4
11   Otoxiep87   994   -2
12   Armchair_Cyclist   933   3
13   Triley36   931   0
14   Shalgo   920   0
15   BikeRacer33   878   4
16   Mellow_Velo   876   2
17   Bminchow   871   0
18   Scrool07   864   2
19   Googolplex   852   -3
20   SafeBet   835   -9
21   JustSomeGuy   817   1
22   Yellow_Knight   813   3
23   DJSprtsch   727   0
24   Pirate81   697   -3
25   Laarsland   682   -1
26   ArchieBoy   659   3
27   Ray10   620   0
28   Koronin   619   -2
29   Josedin   603   -1
30   ChrisDK   533   0
   Collective_Wisdom   1131   


It would be nice if at least some of us can improve our score tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: scrooll07 on September 06, 2020, 21:10
Oh,Hirschi so close to the victory today.Still he is the one saving my TDF for now
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 07, 2020, 00:09
Stage 9 Second Pyrenean day, third great day's racing in a row.

Green points

Today

So nearly a heroic breakaway victory, but the big names, and some popular picks, feature.

1   Salvarani   85  (Pogacar and Martin)
2   JustSomeGuy   80 (Pogacar)
3=   BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle   75 (Roglic and Bernal)
5   Del1962   53 (Roglic and Bardet)
6   AmisVelo   50 (Roglic)
7   Mellow_Velo   40 (Bernal and Landa)
8   Search   39  (Hirschi, Bardet, Uran)
9   Scrool07   38 (Hirschi, Bardet)
10=   BikeRacer33, Comodoro, Northerner   28 (Bernal, Bardet)
13=   Armchair_Cyclist, Bminchow, Rote_Laterne, Shalgo, Triley36   26 (Bernal, Uran)
18=   Googolplex, Otoxiep87, Pirate81, SafeBet, Yellow_Knight   25 (Bernal)
23   Leadbelly   8
24   DJSprtsch   1
25=   Six more teams   0
   Collective_Wisdom   28

Standings

Today's winner moves from 4th to top: Blues in the Bottle, Del, Comodoro and JSG are new entries in an 11-team top ten, Blues on the back of a 7 place leap, and JSG one of 8 spots.

1   Salvarani   268
2   ArchieBoy   263
3   Googolplex   239
4   AmisVelo   233
5   Search   213
6   BluesInTheBottle   211
7   ChrisDK   200
8   SafeBet   194
9   Del1962   187
10   Comodoro   183
10   JustSomeGuy   183


Main Game

ROGLIC Primoz   224   4 teams
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   185   16
POGACAR Tadej   135   2
HIRSCHI Marc   70   2
URAN URAN Rigoberto   61   7
LANDA MEANA Mikel   45   1
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   30   1
KUSS Sepp   20   3
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   18   2
---
CRAS Steff   -20   1
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   -22   2
ELISSONDE Kenny   -23   5
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   -24   2
MAS NICOLAU Enric   -30   2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   -50   6
ARU Fabio   -51   2
BUCHMANN Emanuel   -58   12


1   BluesInTheBottle   419 (Roglic and Bernal)
2   BicycleBoy   396  (Roglic and Bernal, but Elissonde)
3   Rote_Laterne   300 (Bernal, Uran, Quintana)
4   Bminchow   286 (Bernal, Uran, Tejada)
5   Shalgo   268 (Bernal, Uran)
6   Del1962   226
7   Armchair_Cyclist   218
8   Mellow_Velo   199
9   AmisVelo   187
9   BikeRacer33   187
11   Pirate81   183
11   SafeBet   183
13   Googolplex   175
14   Salvarani   161
15   Northerner   160
16   Triley36   159
17   Comodoro   129
18   Yellow_Knight   121
19   Search   106
20   Otoxiep87   78
21   Scrool07   72
22   JustSomeGuy   69
23   DJSprtsch   60
24   Koronin   34
25   ChrisDK   3
26   Laarsland   -22
26   Ray10   -22
28   Leadbelly   -28
29   ArchieBoy   -32
30   Josedin   -64
   Collective_Wisdom   199


Standings

Now that the two main pre-race favourites are in the top two spots, the two teams who doubled up on them are in the top two here.  But after the way the last three days have been raced, I think we have plenty more to happen over the next 2 weeks, in the game and on the road.

1   BluesInTheBottle   1521   4
2   BicycleBoy   1461   5
3   Del1962   1383   0
4   Rote_Laterne   1338   4
5   Comodoro   1318   -4
6   Search   1289   -4
7   Northerner   1281   -3
8   AmisVelo   1191   2
9   Shalgo   1188   5
10   Salvarani   1181   -1
11   Bminchow   1157   6
12   Armchair_Cyclist   1151   0
13   Triley36   1090   0
14   Mellow_Velo   1075   2
15   Otoxiep87   1072   -4
16   Leadbelly   1070   -10
17   BikeRacer33   1065   -2
18   Googolplex   1027   1
19   SafeBet   1018   1
20   Scrool07   936   -2
21   Yellow_Knight   934   1
22   JustSomeGuy   886   -1
23   Pirate81   880   1
24   DJSprtsch   787   -1
25   Laarsland   660   0
26   Koronin   653   2
27   ArchieBoy   627   -1
28   Ray10   598   -1
29   Josedin   539   0
30   ChrisDK   536   0
   Collective_Wisdom   1330   

I might have time to look at some numbers tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 07, 2020, 19:13
Rest day 1

So how is it going for your team and your riders?

Green points
Riders with at least a third place, or the points equivalent of it:

VAN AERT Wout   160   3 teams
POGACAR Tadej   135   2
ROGLIC Primoz   130   4
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   110   2
BENNETT Sam   110   4
BOL Cees   90   7
HIRSCHI Marc   85   2
LUTSENKO Alexey   85   0
EWAN Caleb   83   0
KRISTOFF Alexander   80   0
PETERS Nans   80   0
VAN AVERMAET Greg   60   0
SAGAN Peter   55   3
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   50   2
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus   50   1
PEDERSEN Mads   50   1
SKUJINS Toms   50   0
COQUARD Bryan   45   5
MARTIN Guillaume   40   2
NIZZOLO Giacomo   40   3
POWLESS Neilson   40   0
YATES Adam   39   0
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   36   16
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos   35   1
HOFSTETTER Hugo   31   0
STUYVEN Jasper   31   0
MOLLEMA Bauke   30   0
LAPORTE Christophe   25   0
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   25   1
ZAKARIN Ilnur   25   0

And the teams they appear in

1   Salvarani   268 (Pogacar, Bol and Martin)
2   ArchieBoy   263 (Van Aert and Bol)
3   Googolplex   239 (Bennett, Bol, Bernal)
4   AmisVelo   233 (Roglic and Bol)
5   Search   213 (Bennett and Hirschi)
6   BluesInTheBottle   211 (Roglic, Coquard, Bernal)
7   ChrisDK   200 (Van Aert, Nizzolo)
8   SafeBet   194 (Alaphilippe, Coquard, Bernal)
9   Del1962   187 (Roglic, Boasson Hagen)
10   Comodoro   183 (Bol, Boasson Hagen, Bernal)
10   JustSomeGuy   183 (Pogacar, Coquard)
12   BicycleBoy   176 (Roglic, Bernal)
13   Laarsland   173 (Bennett, Nizzolo)
14   Ray10   168 (Van Aert)
15   Josedin   158 (Alaphilippe and Coquard)
16   Shalgo   150 (Bennett and Bernal)
17   DJSprtsch   149 (Sagan, Pedersen, Nizzolo)
17   Otoxiep87   149 (Bol, Bernal)
19   Mellow_Velo   146 (Bol, Bernal)
20   Scrool07   102 (Hirschi)
21   Yellow_Knight   101 (Sagan, Bernal)
22   Rote_Laterne   100 (Bernal, Verona)
23   Koronin   99 (Herrada, Coquard)
24   Bminchow   95 (Sagan, Bernal)
25   Leadbelly   57 (Martin)
26   Northerner   53 (Bernal)
27   Armchair_Cyclist   50 (Bernal)
28   BikeRacer33   44 (Bernal)
29   Triley36   40  (Bernal)
30   Pirate81   39  (Bernal)
   Collective_Wisdom   115


Main Game

The top 40 scorers so far (which amounts to the top 22 on GC or those with enough other points to equal that, and avoids me having to write "and Pinot" on 90% of the teams)

ROGLIC Primoz   755   4 teams
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   486   16
MARTIN Guillaume   420   2
POGACAR Tadej   370   2
BARDET Romain   324   7
YATES Adam   319   0
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   315   1
URAN URAN Rigoberto   261   7
VAN AERT Wout   223   3
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   208   2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   190   6
BENNETT Sam   180   4
LANDA MEANA Mikel   177   1
SAGAN Peter   155   3
MOLLEMA Bauke   150   0
PETERS Nans   150   0
PORTE Richie   142   0
HIRSCHI Marc   140   2
KRISTOFF Alexander   130   0
MAS NICOLAU Enric   130   2
LUTSENKO Alexey   122   0
BOL Cees   110   7
DUMOULIN Tom   110   28
EWAN Caleb   106   0
ZAKARIN Ilnur   103   0
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   102   0
COSNEFROY Benoît   100   0
CARUSO Damiano   94   0
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres   92   0
SKUJINS Toms   92   0
COQUARD Bryan   90   5
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   89   1
VAN AVERMAET Greg   83   0
BUCHMANN Emanuel   82   12
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   72   2
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   70   2
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus   70   1
PEDERSEN Mads   70   1
ROLLAND Pierre   67   6
BARGUIL Warren   65   0

The teams that have these riders  (I don't intend writing "and Dumoulin" on nearly every team either: I'll mention him on the two where he is missing.)

1   BluesInTheBottle   1521 (Roglic, Bernal, Coquard)
2   BicycleBoy   1461 (Roglic, Bernal)
3   Del1962   1383 (Roglic, Bardet, Boasson Hagen)
4   Rote_Laterne   1338 (Bernal, Quintana, Uran)
5   Comodoro   1318 (Bernal, Bardet, Bol, Buchmann, Chaves, Boasson Hagen)
6   Search   1289 (Bardet, Uran, Lopez, Bennett, Hirschi)
7   Northerner   1281 (Bernal, Bardet, Lopez, Rolland)
8   AmisVelo   1191 (Roglic, Bol, Buchmann)
9   Shalgo   1188  (Bernal, Uarn, Bennett, Rolland)
10   Salvarani   1181 (Martin, Pogacar, Bol, Rolland)
11   Bminchow   1157 (Bernal, Uran, Sagan)
12   Armchair_Cyclist   1151 (Bernal, Uran, Lopez)
13   Triley36   1090  (Bernal, Uran, Buchmann, Rolland)
14   Mellow_Velo   1075 (Bernal, Landa, Bol, Buchmann)
15   Otoxiep87   1072 (Bernal, Lopez, Bol, Buchmann)
16   Leadbelly   1070  (Martin, Bardet, Buchmann)
17   BikeRacer33   1065 (Bernal, Bardet)
18   Googolplex   1027 (Bernal, Bennett, Bol)
19   SafeBet   1018 (Bernal, Alaphilippe, Coquard)
20   Scrool07   936 (Bardet, Lopez, Hirschi)
21   Yellow_Knight   934  (Bernal, Sagan, Buchmann)
22   JustSomeGuy   886 (Pogacar, Mas, Coquard, Buchmann)
23   Pirate81   880 (Bernal, Buchmann)
24   DJSprtsch   787 (Uran, Sagan, Pedersen and Rolland)
25   Laarsland   660 (Lopez, Bennett)
26   Koronin   653 (Mas, Coquard, Valverde, Herrada)
27   ArchieBoy   627 (Van Aert, Bol, Buchmann, Rolland: no Dumoulin)
28   Ray10   598 (Van Aert, Buchmann)
29   Josedin   539 (Alaphilippe, Coquard, Buchmann: no Dumoulin)
30   ChrisDK   536 (Van Aert, Chaves)
   Collective_Wisdom   1330 (Bernal, Buchmann and 80% of Bol, Bardet and Uran)

Some observations:
Van Aert is very impressive in the race, but the three teams that chose him here are in the bottom five.
Dumoulin was almost ubiquitous, and although he has moved from option B to last mountain dom, he is still getting a good return on the low cost, and the teams that lack him are among the bottom 5.
Pinot was almost as popular as Dumoulin, but a lot more expensive and underachieving: not going for him if it was in the interests of being able to afford both Bernal and Roglic was a wise move (at this stage), otherwise those who eschewed him did not invest any better (Sagan, Martinez, Nizzolo...)
Comodoro's lowest scoring rider is 64 pointer Pinot
Of the riders who have withdrawn, Cras was on one team (Otoxiep87), Degenkolb and Aru on two each (Armchair and Shalgo, Googolplex and TRiley) and Nizzolo, by far the most expensive DNF on three (ChrisDK, DJSprtsch and Laarsland).  I haven't removed Pozzovivo's projected points yet, as he will only become a DNS at the start of stage 10, but those who suffer will be Laarsland (again), Mellow Velo and Pirate81.
Jumbo-Visma, the only team that are overbudget, have a cumulative score of 1257, AG2R are 2nd with 730, Ineos have 728, followed by Cofidis (625) and Trek (575).

And if there are any other numbers to investigate, they are here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing).
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 08, 2020, 22:22
Stage 10 Focus on the Green

Green points

Today

1   Googolplex   83 (Bennett and Bol)
2   Laarsland   81 (Bennett and Mezgec)
3=   Search, Shalgo   80 (Bennett)
5   DJSprtsch   50 (Sagan and Pedersen)
6=   Bminchow, Yellow_Knight   35 (Sagan)
8=   BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet   5
13=   ArchieBoy, Otoxiep87   4
15=   AmisVelo, Comodoro, Mellow_Velo, Salvarani   3
19=   Dozy dozen   0
   Collective_Wisdom   2


Standings

Googolplex rises 2 places to lead, and Search by three to get second.  Laarsland, Shalgo and DJS come into the top ten, with moves of 8, 9 amd 7 places respectively.

1   Googolplex   322
2   Search   293
3   Salvarani   271
4   ArchieBoy   267
5   Laarsland   254
6   AmisVelo   236
7   Shalgo   230
8   BluesInTheBottle   216
9   ChrisDK   200
10   DJSprtsch   199
10   SafeBet   199


Main game

The biggest change on GC was Buchmann dropping one place to 19th, and there were no KoM points, so this is mainly stage points, shuffles in the points standings, withdrawals and yellow jersey bonuses.

BENNETT Sam   110   4 teams
ROGLIC Primoz   20   4
COQUARD Bryan   15   5
PEDERSEN Mads   15   1
KWIATKOWSKI Michal   8   1
KUSS Sepp   6   3
SAGAN Peter   5   3
---
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   -5   2
BUCHMANN Emanuel   -5   12
VAN AERT Wout   -15   3
POZZOVIVO Domenico   -26   3


1   Googolplex   116
2   Search   106
2   Shalgo   106
4   Laarsland   81
5   BluesInTheBottle   35
6   Koronin   21
7   BicycleBoy   20
8   Del1962   16
8   DJSprtsch   16
10   AmisVelo   15
11   SafeBet   6
12   JustSomeGuy   4
13   Scrool07   3
14   Josedin   1
14   Yellow_Knight   1
16   Bminchow   -1
17   Salvarani   -2
18   Armchair_Cyclist   -4
18   BikeRacer33   -4
18   Northerner   -4
18   Otoxiep87   -4
22   Comodoro   -5
22   Rote_Laterne   -5
24   Leadbelly   -9
24   Triley36   -9
26   ChrisDK   -14
26   Ray10   -14
28   ArchieBoy   -18
29   Mellow_Velo   -31
30   Pirate81   -35
   Collective_Wisdom   -6


Standings

1   BluesInTheBottle   1556   0
2   BicycleBoy   1481   0
3   Del1962   1399   0
4   Search   1395   2
5   Rote_Laterne   1333   -1
6   Comodoro   1313   -1
7   Shalgo   1294   2
8   Northerner   1277   -1
9   AmisVelo   1206   -1
10   Salvarani   1179   0
11   Bminchow   1156   0
12   Armchair_Cyclist   1147   0
13   Googolplex   1143   5
14   Triley36   1081   -1
15   Otoxiep87   1068   0
16   BikeRacer33   1061   1
16   Leadbelly   1061   0
18   Mellow_Velo   1044   -4
19   SafeBet   1024   0
20   Scrool07   939   0
21   Yellow_Knight   935   0
22   JustSomeGuy   890   0
23   Pirate81   845   0
24   DJSprtsch   803   0
25   Laarsland   741   0
26   Koronin   674   0
27   ArchieBoy   609   0
28   Ray10   584   0
29   Josedin   540   0
30   ChrisDK   522   0
   Collective_Wisdom   1324   
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 09, 2020, 18:40
Stage 11  Another day with the focus on green

Green points

After the relegation of Sagan

Today

1   Laarsland   55 (Bennett and Mezgec)
2   Shalgo   51 (Bennett and Gibbons)
3=   Googolplex, Search   50 (Bennett)
5   ArchieBoy   40 (Van Aert and Mezgec)
6=   ChrisDK   , Ray10   35 (Van Aert)
8   JustSomeGuy   26 (Coquard and Gibbons)
9=   BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, Koronin, SafeBet   25 (Coquard)
13   DJSprtsch   10
14   Otoxiep87   5
15   AmisVelo   1
16=   All the others   0

Standings

1   Googolplex   372
2   Search   343
3   Laarsland   309
4   ArchieBoy   307
5   Shalgo   281
6   Salvarani   271
7   BluesInTheBottle   241
8   AmisVelo   237
9   ChrisDK   235
10   SafeBet   224

The 4 teams with Sam Bennett are now in the top five, only Archie infiltrates them.


Main Game

As yesterday, a Colombian moving ahead of Buchmann is the highest positioned GC change.

BENNETT Sam   50   4 teams
VAN AERT Wout   38   3
COQUARD Bryan   25   5
ROGLIC Primoz   20   4
PEDERSEN Mads   10   1
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   5   2
MEZGEC Luka   5   3
---
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   -5   2
BUCHMANN Emanuel   -5   12
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   -8   2
FORMOLO Davide   -20   2


Today

1   Laarsland   57
2   Shalgo   53
3   Search   52
4   Googolplex   50
5   BluesInTheBottle   48
6   ChrisDK   46
7   ArchieBoy   43
8   Koronin   29
9   Ray10   28
10   JustSomeGuy   23
11   Del1962   22
11   SafeBet   22
13   Josedin   21
14   BicycleBoy   20
15   AmisVelo   18
16   DJSprtsch   12
17   Rote_Laterne   5
18   Scrool07   3
19   Armchair_Cyclist   2
19   Comodoro   2
19   Northerner   2
19   Otoxiep87   2
19   Salvarani   2
24   Yellow_Knight   -2
25   Mellow_Velo   -3
25   Triley36   -3
27   Bminchow   -6
28   Pirate81   -15
29   BikeRacer33   -18
30   Leadbelly   -23
   Collective_Wisdom   -3

Standings

The relevant (so far) difference in composition between the top two (they both have both Bernal and Roglic) is the Blues in the Bottle has Bryan Coquard, while only Hermans has gained additional stage points for BicycleBoy: that means the gap widens today.
Search moves onto the virtual podium, Shalgo overtakes a couple of top ten teams, Googolplex appears in the top ten and shares the biggest rise with SafeBet.

1   BluesInTheBottle   1604
2   BicycleBoy   1501
3   Search   1447
4   Del1962   1421
5   Shalgo   1347
6   Rote_Laterne   1338
7   Comodoro   1315
8   Northerner   1279
9   AmisVelo   1224
10   Googolplex   1193
11   Salvarani   1181
12   Bminchow   1150
13   Armchair_Cyclist   1149
14   Triley36   1078
15   Otoxiep87   1070
16   SafeBet   1046
17   BikeRacer33   1043
18   Mellow_Velo   1041
19   Leadbelly   1038
20   Scrool07   942
21   Yellow_Knight   933
22   JustSomeGuy   913
23   Pirate81   830
24   DJSprtsch   815
25   Laarsland   798
26   Koronin   703
27   ArchieBoy   652
28   Ray10   612
29   ChrisDK   568
30   Josedin   561
   Collective_Wisdom   1321

After two very similar days, it would be nice to see something else tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: scrooll07 on September 10, 2020, 16:38
Finally Hirschi get his win after 2 close attempts,my top pick in the game so far
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 10, 2020, 19:18
Stage 12  Everyone's new favourite rider gets it at last.

Green points

Today

1   Scrool07, Search   80 (Hirschi)
3   DJSprtsch   52 (Rolland and Elissonde)
4   ArchieBoy, Northerner, Salvarani, Shalgo, Triley36   50 (Rolland)
9   Koronin   15 (Herrada)
10   Josedin   3 (Reichenbach)
11   BicycleBoy, BikeRacer33, Del1962, Yellow_Knight   2 (Elissonde)
15   The remainder   0

Standings

Search takes over at the top, with Hirschi being a surprise weapon in this game's version of the points classification.

1   Search   423
2   Googolplex   372
3   ArchieBoy   357
4   Shalgo   331
5   Salvarani   321
6   Laarsland   309
7   DJSprtsch   261
8   BluesInTheBottle   241
9   AmisVelo   237
10   ChrisDK   235


Main Game

HIRSCHI Marc   85   2 teams
ROLLAND Pierre   55   6
ROGLIC Primoz   25   4
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus   15   1
REICHENBACH Sébastien   13   1
ELISSONDE Kenny   11   5
---
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   -10   4
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   -11   2
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   -23   1


Modest changes again today:

1   Search   85 (Hirschi)
2   Scrool07   75 (Hirschi but Martinez)
3   DJSprtsch   66 (Rolland and Elissonde)
4   Salvarani   56
5   Northerner   55
5   Shalgo   55
7   Triley36   48
8   ArchieBoy   41
9   BicycleBoy   36
9   Del1962   36
11   BluesInTheBottle   22
12   AmisVelo   17
13   Josedin   12
14   BikeRacer33   11
15   Rote_Laterne   9
16   Ray10   8
17   SafeBet   6
18   Armchair_Cyclist   0
18   Laarsland   0
20   ChrisDK   -1
20   Googolplex   -1
22   Comodoro   -3
23   JustSomeGuy   -5
24   Yellow_Knight   -6
25   Leadbelly   -7
26   Koronin   -8
26   Mellow_Velo   -8
26   Otoxiep87   -8
29   Bminchow   -11
30   Pirate81   -16
   Collective_Wisdom   -8

Standings

The race, and game, are at a mature stage when no team moves by more than one place up or down.  The value of place riders can be seen by the fact that BicycleBoy has both Roglic and Bernal while Search, who has neither of them, is only 5 points behind him.

1   BluesInTheBottle   1626   0
2   BicycleBoy   1537   0
3   Search   1532   0
4   Del1962   1457   0
5   Shalgo   1402   0
6   Rote_Laterne   1347   0
7   Northerner   1334   1
8   Comodoro   1312   -1
9   AmisVelo   1241   0
10   Salvarani   1237   1
11   Googolplex   1192   -1
12   Armchair_Cyclist   1149   1
13   Bminchow   1139   -1
14   Triley36   1126   0
15   Otoxiep87   1062   0
16   BikeRacer33   1054   1
17   SafeBet   1052   -1
18   Mellow_Velo   1033   0
19   Leadbelly   1031   0
20   Scrool07   1017   0
21   Yellow_Knight   927   0
22   JustSomeGuy   908   0
23   DJSprtsch   881   1
24   Pirate81   814   -1
25   Laarsland   798   0
26   Koronin   695   0
27   ArchieBoy   693   0
28   Ray10   620   0
29   Josedin   573   1
30   ChrisDK   567   -1
   Collective_Wisdom   1313   

After several days, the GC race should resume tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 11, 2020, 21:10
Stage 13  Unlucky for the French contenders

Green points

Two teams had the luxury of watching the last couple of km without worrying about what order they finished in

1=   ChrisDK, Scrool07   130 (Martinez and Kamna)
3   ArchieBoy   95 (Martinez and Rolland)
4   Yellow_Knight   80 (Martinez)
5   Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, Josedin, Pirate81, Ray10   50 (Kamna)
10   DJSprtsch, Northerner, Salvarani, Shalgo, Triley36   15 (Rolland)
15=   All others   0
   Collective_Wisdom   40

Standings

Archie comes from 3rd to top, and ChrisDK from 10th to 4th.  Scrool and Ray appear in the top ten, with rises of 10 and 3 positions

1   ArchieBoy   452
2   Search   423
3   Googolplex   372
4   ChrisDK   365
5   Shalgo   346
6   Salvarani   336
7   Scrool07   312
8   Laarsland   309
9   DJSprtsch   276
10   Ray10   253



Main Game



After a few neutralised days (GC wise), today we are back to some large gains

POGACAR Tadej   216   2 teams
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   107   4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   80   6
URAN URAN Rigoberto   60   7
KÄMNA Lennard   57   7
LANDA MEANA Mikel   40   1
ROLLAND Pierre   31   6
MAS NICOLAU Enric   30   2
ROGLIC Primoz   20   4
---
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   -70   16
BARDET Romain   -180   7
MARTIN Guillaume   -250   2

Two teams have Pogacar, but for Salvarani, the boost to his score was wiped out by Guillaume Martin's demise.
1   JustSomeGuy   248 (Pogacar and Mas)
2   ChrisDK   151 (Martinez and Kamna)
3   Armchair_Cyclist   139 (Lopez, Uran, Kamna but Bernal)
4   ArchieBoy   122 (Martinez and Rolland)
5   DJSprtsch   103 (Uran and Rolland)
6   Laarsland   92
7   Scrool07   83
8   Koronin   61
9   Josedin   55
10   Yellow_Knight   37
11   Ray10   36
12   Shalgo   33
13   Triley36   23
14   AmisVelo   22
15   Salvarani   14
16   Otoxiep87   12
17   Bminchow   7
18   Rote_Laterne   -3
19   Pirate81   -19
20   Mellow_Velo   -28
21   Search   -32
22   BicycleBoy   -40
22   BluesInTheBottle   -40
24   Googolplex   -47
25   SafeBet   -48
26   Northerner   -122
27   Del1962   -143
28   BikeRacer33   -181
29   Comodoro   -263
30   Leadbelly   -428
   Collective_Wisdom   -118


Standings

Two teams have both Roglic and Bernal, but none combined Rog'n'Pog.  Search, despite the damage done to his score by Bardet today, moves into second place.  Armchair is the only entry into the top ten, but just outside it JSG has an 11 place move.

1   BluesInTheBottle   1586   0
2   Search   1500   1
3   BicycleBoy   1497   -1
4   Shalgo   1435   1
5   Rote_Laterne   1344   1
6   Del1962   1314   -2
7   Armchair_Cyclist   1288   5
8   AmisVelo   1263   1
9   Salvarani   1251   1
10   Northerner   1212   -3
11   JustSomeGuy   1156   11
12   Triley36   1149   2
13   Bminchow   1146   0
14   Googolplex   1145   -3
15   Scrool07   1100   5
16   Otoxiep87   1074   -1
17   Comodoro   1049   -9
18   Mellow_Velo   1005   0
19   SafeBet   1004   -2
20   DJSprtsch   984   3
21   Yellow_Knight   964   0
22   Laarsland   890   3
23   BikeRacer33   873   -7
24   ArchieBoy   815   3
25   Pirate81   795   -1
26   Koronin   756   0
27   ChrisDK   718   3
28   Ray10   656   0
29   Josedin   628   0
30   Leadbelly   603   -11
   Collective_Wisdom   1195   


Spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 12, 2020, 20:26
Stage 14  Green jersey again dominates the stage

Green points

1=   ArchieBoy, Laarsland, Otoxiep87   50 (Mezgec)
4=   Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Yellow_Knight   25 (Sagan)
7=   Scrool07, Search   1 (Hirschi)
9=   Everyone else   0

Standings

Two of the Mezgec teams are in the top ten: Archie extends his lead and Laarsland moves up one.  DJS had Sagan, but does not change position.
1   ArchieBoy   502
2   Search   424
3   Googolplex   372
4   ChrisDK   365
5   Laarsland   359
6   Shalgo   346
7   Salvarani   336
8   Scrool07   313
9   DJSprtsch   301
10   Ray10   253

Main Game

Not a lot

MEZGEC Luka   50   3 teams
SAGAN Peter   25   3
ROGLIC Primoz   20   4
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   16   2
VAN AERT Wout   14   3
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos   14   1
KÄMNA Lennard   12   7
KWIATKOWSKI Michal   11   1
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   11   1
DUMOULIN Tom   10   28
MARTIN Guillaume   10   2
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   10   1
---
COQUARD Bryan   -10   5
REICHENBACH Sébastien   -16   1
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   -18   4
LATOUR Pierre   -20   3
BARDET Romain   -140   7


1   Otoxiep87   56 (Mezgec and Dumoulin)
2   Ray10   49 (Van Aert, Kamna, Kwiatkowski and Dumoulin)
3   ArchieBoy   36 (Mezgec and Van Aert, but Martinez)
4   BicycleBoy   34
5   Laarsland   32
6   AmisVelo   26
7   DJSprtsch   25
7   Yellow_Knight   25
9   BluesInTheBottle   24
9   Pirate81   24
11   ChrisDK   23
11   Koronin   23
13   Rote_Laterne   16
14   Armchair_Cyclist   14
15   Bminchow   9
16   Salvarani   8
17   Googolplex   7
18   Mellow_Velo   6
19   Triley36   0
20   Josedin   -2
21   JustSomeGuy   -4
21   Shalgo   -4
23   SafeBet   -12
24   Del1962   -112
25   BikeRacer33   -122
26   Leadbelly   -124
27   Comodoro   -129
28   Search   -137
29   Scrool07   -138
30   Northerner   -142
   Collective_Wisdom   -96

Standings

BicycleBoy only ceded second place for a day, and Search reaches a podium position as  Shalgo suffers from Bardet's withdrawal.  Bminchow moves up 3 places and into the top ten, but if he had just 6 points fewer he would be where he was:  it is very close in that part of the table.

1   BluesInTheBottle   1610   0
2   BicycleBoy   1531   1
3   Shalgo   1431   1
4   Search   1363   -2
5   Rote_Laterne   1360   0
6   Armchair_Cyclist   1302   1
7   AmisVelo   1289   1
8   Salvarani   1259   1
9   Del1962   1202   -3
10   Bminchow   1155   3
11   Googolplex   1152   3
11   JustSomeGuy   1152   0
13   Triley36   1149   -1
14   Otoxiep87   1130   2
15   Northerner   1070   -5
16   Mellow_Velo   1011   2
17   DJSprtsch   1009   3
18   SafeBet   992   1
19   Yellow_Knight   989   2
20   Scrool07   962   -5
21   Laarsland   922   1
22   Comodoro   920   -5
23   ArchieBoy   851   1
24   Pirate81   819   1
25   Koronin   779   1
26   BikeRacer33   751   -3
27   ChrisDK   741   0
28   Ray10   705   0
29   Josedin   626   0
30   Leadbelly   479   0
   Collective_Wisdom   1099   
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 13, 2020, 19:37
Stage 15  The Chicken Liddle stage (Sky has fallen in)


Green points

1   JustSomeGuy   95 (Pogacar and Mas)
2   Salvarani   80 (Pogacar)
3=   AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962   50 (roglic)
7   Scrool07   35 (Lopez and Kuss)
8=   Armchair_Cyclist, Search   27 (Lopez and Uran)
10   Koronin   26 (Mas, Kuss and Valverde)
11=   Laarsland, Northerner, Otoxiep87   25 (Lopez)
14   Googolplex   10
15   Mellow_Velo   5
16   5 Uran teams   2
21   Ten others   0
   Collective_Wisdom   2

Standings

The big jump in the top ten is Salvarani up from 7th to third; the big jump into the ten is JSG, up 7 places.

1   ArchieBoy   502
2   Search   451
3   Salvarani   416
4   Laarsland   384
5   Googolplex   382
6   ChrisDK   365
7   Scrool07   348
7   Shalgo   348
9   JustSomeGuy   309
10   DJSprtsch   303

Main Game

Lots of riders gain points from overtaking Bernal and Quintana

POGACAR Tadej   130   2 teams
ROGLIC Primoz   95   4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   85   6
URAN URAN Rigoberto   62   7
MAS NICOLAU Enric   55   2
LANDA MEANA Mikel   35   1
DUMOULIN Tom   30   28
KUSS Sepp   21   3
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   21   1
ELISSONDE Kenny   20   5
REICHENBACH Sébastien   20   1
---
HIRSCHI Marc   -21   2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   -26   2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   -110   1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   -260   16

Over half the teams suffer with Bernal's drop from contention.
1   JustSomeGuy   193 (Pogacar, Mas and Dumoulin)
2   Salvarani   176 (Pogacar and Dumoulin)
3   Del1962   151 (Roglic, Dumoulin and Elissonde)
4   Search   150 (Lopez, Uran, Dumoulin but Hirschi)
5   Koronin   127 (Mas, Dumoulin, Kuss and Valverde)
6   DJSprtsch   116
7   Laarsland   109
8   Scrool07   104
9   AmisVelo   103
10   ChrisDK   35
11   Ray10   30
12   ArchieBoy   9
13   Leadbelly   8
14   Josedin   -44
15   Armchair_Cyclist   -105
16   BicycleBoy   -115
17   Northerner   -129
18   BluesInTheBottle   -131
19   Bminchow   -147
20   Shalgo   -164
21   Otoxiep87   -167
22   Triley36   -180
23   Googolplex   -215
23   Yellow_Knight   -215
25   Mellow_Velo   -217
26   BikeRacer33   -232
27   Pirate81   -245
28   Comodoro   -252
29   SafeBet   -262
30   Rote_Laterne   -272
   Collective_Wisdom   -215

Standings

The teams who were the top two for a week combined Roglic and Bernal, but as Bernal (along with Quintana)  lost places, it was not a Pogacar team that took advantage, but one headed by two other Colombians: Uran and Lopez.  Step up Search to wear the yellow jersey into the day off.

1   Search   1513   3
2   BluesInTheBottle   1479   -1
3   Salvarani   1435   5
4   BicycleBoy   1416   -2
5   AmisVelo   1392   2
6   Del1962   1353   3
7   JustSomeGuy   1345   4
8   Shalgo   1267   -5
9   Armchair_Cyclist   1197   -3
10   DJSprtsch   1125   7
11   Rote_Laterne   1088   -6
12   Scrool07   1066   8
13   Laarsland   1031   8
14   Bminchow   1008   -4
15   Triley36   969   -2
16   Otoxiep87   963   -2
17   Northerner   941   -2
18   Googolplex   937   -7
19   Koronin   906   6
20   ArchieBoy   860   3
21   Mellow_Velo   794   -5
22   ChrisDK   776   5
23   Yellow_Knight   774   -4
24   Ray10   735   4
25   SafeBet   730   -7
26   Comodoro   668   -4
27   Josedin   582   2
28   Pirate81   574   -4
29   BikeRacer33   519   -3
30   Leadbelly   487   0
   Collective_Wisdom   883   

I think I'll have some time for number crunching tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 13, 2020, 19:40
Nice work Search.

Quiet happy with team JSG I must admit
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: search on September 13, 2020, 19:58
well, let's see how this will develop... they are not exactly looking splendid. When did you lose trust in little Richie though? :D
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 13, 2020, 20:30
:lol

Just not my old me it seems
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 16, 2020, 01:15
Stage 16 Points for those who didn't take a second rest day

Green points

1   Josedin   116 (Kamna, Reichenbach, Alaphilippe)
2=   Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, ChrisDK, Pirate81, Ray10, Scrool07   80 (Kamna)
8=   ArchieBoy, Leadbelly, Triley36   25 (Sivakov)
11   SafeBet   1 (Alaphilippe)
12   All others   0
   Collective_Wisdom   64

Standings

Because I didn't do a rest day posting with the whole table, here it is:
1   ArchieBoy   527
2   Search   451
3   ChrisDK   445
4   Scrool07   428
5   Salvarani   416
6   Laarsland   384
7   Googolplex   382
8   Josedin   357
9   Shalgo   348
10   Ray10   333
11   JustSomeGuy   309
12   DJSprtsch   303
13   BluesInTheBottle   291
14   AmisVelo   287
15   Yellow_Knight   243
16   Del1962   239
17   Otoxiep87   233
18   BicycleBoy   228
19   SafeBet   225
20   Armchair_Cyclist   207
21   Comodoro   186
22   BikeRacer33   176
23   Koronin   170
24   Pirate81   169
25   Bminchow   157
26   Mellow_Velo   154
27   Northerner   143
28   Triley36   132
29   Rote_Laterne   102
30   Leadbelly   82
   Collective_Wisdom   223

Archie extends his lead, Chris and Scrool both move up 3, Josedin moves up 7 and into the top ten.

Main game

KÄMNA Lennard   101   7 teams
ROLLAND Pierre   46   6
REICHENBACH Sébastien   45   1
SIVAKOV Pavel   25   3
DUMOULIN Tom   20   28
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   17   2
ROGLIC Primoz   10   4

---
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   -11   2
KWIATKOWSKI Michal   -14   1
POGACAR Tadej   -15   2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   -20   1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   -26   16
GAUDU David   -26   1


1   Josedin   157  (Kamna, Reichenbach and Alaphilippe)
2   Scrool07   108  (Kamna and Dumoulin)
3   ChrisDK   104 (Kamna and Dumoulin but Chaves)
4   Armchair_Cyclist   95
4   BikeRacer33   95
6   Pirate81   82
7   Ray10   69
8   DJSprtsch   66
9   ArchieBoy   59
9   Triley36   59
11   Salvarani   45
12   Shalgo   40
13   Leadbelly   39
14   Northerner   34
15   AmisVelo   24
15   Del1962   24
17   Laarsland   20
18   Search   15
19   SafeBet   11
20   Koronin   9
21   BicycleBoy   4
22   BluesInTheBottle   1
23   JustSomeGuy   -1
24   Googolplex   -12
24   Mellow_Velo   -12
24   Otoxiep87   -12
27   Yellow_Knight   -14
28   Bminchow   -17
29   Rote_Laterne   -18
30   Comodoro   -23
   Collective_Wisdom   69

Standings

Salvarani is the only manager to move up within the top ten, and we now have a tie for second place (and no countback system).  You have to go all the way down to 22nd place to find anyone who has climbed more than a single place, where Ray has moved 2.
1   Search   1528   0
2   BluesInTheBottle   1480   0
2   Salvarani   1480   1
4   BicycleBoy   1420   0
5   AmisVelo   1416   0
6   Del1962   1377   0
7   JustSomeGuy   1344   0
8   Shalgo   1307   0
9   Armchair_Cyclist   1292   0
10   DJSprtsch   1191   0
11   Scrool07   1174   1
12   Rote_Laterne   1070   -1
13   Laarsland   1051   0
14   Triley36   1028   1
15   Bminchow   991   -1
16   Northerner   975   1
17   Otoxiep87   951   -1
18   Googolplex   925   0
19   ArchieBoy   919   1
20   Koronin   915   -1
21   ChrisDK   880   1
22   Ray10   804   2
23   Mellow_Velo   782   -2
24   Yellow_Knight   760   -1
25   SafeBet   741   0
26   Josedin   739   1
27   Pirate81   656   1
28   Comodoro   645   -2
29   BikeRacer33   614   0
30   Leadbelly   526   0
   Collective_Wisdom   952   

Sorry I didn't get around to doing a breakdown yesterday (real life intervened).  Here are all the numbers (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing) for you to do that for yourselves.

Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 16, 2020, 10:33
If Bernal had stopped during stage 16, rather than DNSing stage 17, the top ten would have been


1   Search   1530
2   Salvarani   1490   
3   AmisVelo   1420   
4   BluesInTheBottle   1387   
5   Del1962   1383   
6   JustSomeGuy   1348   
7   BicycleBoy   1328   
8   Shalgo   1221   
9   Armchair_Cyclist   1202
10   DJSprtsch   1201

Which means that despite Roglic holding the big score for projected GC win, and 180 yellow jersey points so far, the 4 teams that have him are provisionally 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th.  If the (presumed) winner is very expensive, then he does not necessary win you the game unless the rest of the budget is well spent, without expensive let downs.  AV has Pinot and Buchmann, Del has Pinot and Bardet, and BitB and BB both have Bernal.  More balanced teams are better than all in for yellow, it would appear.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 16, 2020, 19:10
Stage 17  Queen stage: more impact on the time differences than the positions, except in the case of Colombians.

Green points

Assume "and Dumoulin" for every team except the two with no points.

1   Scrool07   106 (Lopez, Kuss)
2=   Armchair_Cyclist, Search   83 (Lopez, Uran)
4=   Laarsland, Northerner, Otoxiep87   81 (Lopez)
7=   AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962   51 (Roglic)
11   JustSomeGuy   46 (Pogacar, Mas)
12=   Koronin (Kuss, Mas), Salvarani (Pogacar)   36
14   Googolplex   26 (Kuss)
15   Mellow_Velo   6 (Landa)
16=   Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Rote_Laterne, Shalgo, Triley36   3
21=   BikeRacer33,  ChrisDK, Comodoro, Leadbelly, Pirate81, Ray10, SafeBet, Yellow_Knight   1
29=   ArchieBoy, Josedin   0
   Collective_Wisdom   3


Standings

A tie!  Search was previously 2nd, Scrool 4th.  Laarsland and JSG both also move up two places.

1=   Scrool07   534
1=   Search   534
3   ArchieBoy   527
4   Laarsland   465
5   Salvarani   452
6   ChrisDK   446
7   Googolplex   408
8   Josedin   357
9   JustSomeGuy   355
10   Shalgo   351


Main game

LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   175   6 teams
ROGLIC Primoz   95   4
POGACAR Tadej   81   2
KUSS Sepp   37   3
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   30   1
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   11   2
MAS NICOLAU Enric   10   2
---
DEBUSSCHERE Jens   -20   1
ROLLAND Pierre   -41   6
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   -60   1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   -94   16
URAN URAN Rigoberto   -118   7



1   Scrool07   208 (Lopez & Kuss)
2   Laarsland   176 (Lopez)
3   Del1962   110 (Roglic)
4   AmisVelo   98
5   JustSomeGuy   94
6   Otoxiep87   84
7   Koronin   74
8   Search   51
9   Northerner   49
9   Salvarani   49
11   Josedin   11
12   BicycleBoy   8
13   Leadbelly   3
14   ChrisDK   2
15   BluesInTheBottle   0
15   Ray10   0
17   ArchieBoy   -32
18   Armchair_Cyclist   -36
19   Googolplex   -56
20   SafeBet   -82
21   Yellow_Knight   -83
22   Mellow_Velo   -86
23   BikeRacer33   -87
24   Pirate81   -94
25   Comodoro   -97
26   DJSprtsch   -152
27   Bminchow   -204
28   Triley36   -250
29   Shalgo   -252
30   Rote_Laterne   -281
   Collective_Wisdom   -185

Standings

(Changes are since the end of yesterday's stage, not from the interim morning table)

Amis Velo moves onto the podium and is now the top Roglic team.  Search is now top of both tables, so will have to decide which jersey to wear tomorrow.  Scrool07 is a late claimant of a top ten place.

1   Search   1579   0
2   Salvarani   1529   0
3   AmisVelo   1514   2
4   Del1962   1487   2
5   BluesInTheBottle   1480   -3
6   JustSomeGuy   1438   1
7   BicycleBoy   1428   -3
8   Scrool07   1382   3
9   Armchair_Cyclist   1256   0
10   Laarsland   1227   3
11   Shalgo   1055   -3
12   DJSprtsch   1039   -2
13   Otoxiep87   1035   4
14   Northerner   1024   2
15   Koronin   989   5
16   ArchieBoy   887   3
17   ChrisDK   882   4
18   Googolplex   869   0
19   Ray10   804   3
20   Rote_Laterne   789   -8
21   Bminchow   787   -6
22   Triley36   778   -8
23   Josedin   750   3
24   Mellow_Velo   696   -1
25   Yellow_Knight   677   -1
26   SafeBet   659   -1
27   Pirate81   562   0
28   Comodoro   548   0
29   Leadbelly   529   1
30   BikeRacer33   527   -1
   Collective_Wisdom   767   
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on September 16, 2020, 19:39
Woo hoo! I'm not last! :P
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 16, 2020, 19:56
Need another stage win
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: bikeracer33 on September 16, 2020, 23:29
That will be quite an accomplishment if I can hold on to the lanterne rouge. It's funny, I did consider taking half the Jumbo roster for my roster...I think that would have turned out better haha
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: scrooll07 on September 17, 2020, 06:59
My main hopes for the GC(Bardet,Pinot and Dumoulin) failed badly with 0 points from all of them I think but my side picks(Hirschi,Kuss,Kamna and D.Martinez) saved this tour for me which is strange because in previous editions of the game it was the reverse
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 17, 2020, 08:50
Need another stage win

If it's by Pogacar and gets him into yellow, and Mas comes second and moves up a couple of spots, that might indeed be all you need.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 17, 2020, 09:33
Now why has it never struck me to include this stat before? 
Average scores according to which forum teams were submitted through: VeloRooms 1001, Cycling News 996.6 (but you don't want to know what happens if I take the median rather than the average)
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 17, 2020, 21:59
Stage 18  Gravelly, and a very odd photo finish

Green points

As yesterday, assume "and Dumoulin" unless told otherwise

1   Ray10   116 (Kwiatkowski, Van Aert)
2   ChrisDK   36 (Van Aert)
3   ArchieBoy   35(Van Aert, no Dumoulin)
4=   AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962   26 (Roglic)
8   JustSomeGuy   21 (Pogacar and Mas)
9   Salvarani   16 (Pogacar)
10   Koronin   6 (Mas)
11   Mellow_Velo   4 (Landa)
12=   Eighteen teams   1
30   Josedin   0 (no Dumoulin)
   Collective_Wisdom   1

Standings

Archie is back on top, Ray has a 6 place jump.

1   ArchieBoy   562
2   Scrool07   535
2   Search   535
4   ChrisDK   482
5   Salvarani   468
6   Laarsland   466
7   Ray10   450
8   Googolplex   409
9   JustSomeGuy   376
10   BluesInTheBottle   368


Main Game

KWIATKOWSKI Michal   96   1 team
MAS NICOLAU Enric   65   2
LANDA MEANA Mikel   63   1
VAN AERT Wout   40   3
ROGLIC Primoz   31   4
HIRSCHI Marc   22   2
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   11   1
---
MARTIN Guillaume   -10   2
ROLLAND Pierre   -10   6
MARTIN Daniel   -12   4
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   -12   1
POGACAR Tadej   -14   2
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   -14   2
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   -20   6
URAN URAN Rigoberto   -60   7



1   Ray10   123 (Kwiatkowski and Van Aert)
2   Koronin   86 (Mas and Sanchez)
3   Mellow_Velo   60 (Landa)
4   JustSomeGuy   48
5   ChrisDK   47
6   BluesInTheBottle   36
7   ArchieBoy   34
7   BicycleBoy   34
9   AmisVelo   28
10   Del1962   24
11   Scrool07   15
12   Googolplex   9
13   Yellow_Knight   5
14   BikeRacer33   1
15   Comodoro   -1
16   SafeBet   -11
17   Leadbelly   -13
18   Josedin   -16
19   Laarsland   -17
19   Pirate81   -17
21   Otoxiep87   -23
22   Northerner   -39
23   Salvarani   -43
24   Search   -55
25   DJSprtsch   -65
26   Shalgo   -67
27   Rote_Laterne   -69
28   Bminchow   -73
28   Triley36   -73
30   Armchair_Cyclist   -81
   Collective_Wisdom   -54

Standings

A new leader, as the continuing demise of Uran and Lopez losing places in the KoM classification topple Search.  Although Ray10, with his unique pick of Kwiatkowski, dominated the daily scores, Koronin and Mellow Velo do better in terms of movement through the table.

1   AmisVelo   1542   2
2   Search   1524   -1
3   BluesInTheBottle   1516   2
4   Del1962   1511   0
5   JustSomeGuy   1486   1
5   Salvarani   1486   -3
7   BicycleBoy   1462   0
8   Scrool07   1397   0
9   Laarsland   1210   1
10   Armchair_Cyclist   1175   -1
11   Koronin   1075   4
12   Otoxiep87   1012   1
13   Shalgo   988   -2
14   Northerner   985   0
15   DJSprtsch   974   -3
16   ChrisDK   929   1
17   Ray10   927   2
18   ArchieBoy   921   -2
19   Googolplex   878   -1
20   Mellow_Velo   756   4
21   Josedin   734   2
22   Rote_Laterne   720   -2
23   Bminchow   714   -2
24   Triley36   705   -2
25   Yellow_Knight   682   0
26   SafeBet   648   0
27   Comodoro   547   1
28   Pirate81   545   -1
29   BikeRacer33   528   1
30   Leadbelly   516   -1
   Collective_Wisdom   713   

Average Velorooms: 1005.4
Cycling News   991.4
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 19, 2020, 01:06
Stage 19 Sprinters' breakaway

Green points

1   Laarsland   53 (Mezgec and Bennett)
2=   ArchieBoy, Otoxiep87   50 (Mezgec)
4=   Googolplex, Search, Shalgo   3 (Bennett)
7   Bminchow, DJSprtsch, Yellow_Knight   2 (Sagan)
10   All the others   0

Standings

Archie extends his lead, the tie for 2nd place is undone, and Laarsland has moved up 2.

1   ArchieBoy   612
2   Search   538
3   Scrool07   535
4   Laarsland   519
5   ChrisDK   482
6   Salvarani   468
7   Ray10   450
8   Googolplex   412
9   JustSomeGuy   376
10   BluesInTheBottle   368

Main Game

Today was more about making various jersey statuses safe, so not many points to add, and even fewer to subtract

MEZGEC Luka   50   3 teams
ROGLIC Primoz   19   4
BENNETT Sam   3   4
SAGAN Peter   2   3
JUNGELS Bob   1   1
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus   1   1
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   1   2
MARTIN Daniel   1   4
---
POGACAR Tadej   -2   2
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas   -20   1


You'll have noticed over the last 2 1/2 weeks that it is very unusual to have a net daily score or 0.  Not today.

1   Laarsland   53
2   ArchieBoy   50
2   Otoxiep87   50
4   BluesInTheBottle   20
4   Del1962   20
6   AmisVelo   19
6   BicycleBoy   19
8   Bminchow   4
9   Search   3
9   Shalgo   3
11   DJSprtsch   2
11   Yellow_Knight   2
13   Koronin   1
13   Northerner   1
13   Pirate81   1
16   Armchair_Cyclist   0
16   BikeRacer33   0
16   ChrisDK   0
16   Comodoro   0
16   Josedin   0
16   Leadbelly   0
16   Mellow_Velo   0
16   Ray10   0
16   Rote_Laterne   0
16   SafeBet   0
16   Scrool07   0
16   Triley36   0
28   Salvarani   -1
29   JustSomeGuy   -2
30   Googolplex   -17
   Collective_Wisdom   0


Standings

Search slips off the podium as we come into the final weekend

1   AmisVelo   1561   0
2   BluesInTheBottle   1536   1
3   Del1962   1531   1
4   Search   1527   -2
5   Salvarani   1485   0
6   JustSomeGuy   1484   -1
7   BicycleBoy   1481   0
8   Scrool07   1397   0
9   Laarsland   1263   0
10   Armchair_Cyclist   1175   0
11   Koronin   1076   0
12   Otoxiep87   1062   0
13   Shalgo   991   0
14   Northerner   986   0
15   DJSprtsch   976   0
16   ArchieBoy   971   2
17   ChrisDK   929   -1
18   Ray10   927   -1
19   Googolplex   861   0
20   Mellow_Velo   756   0
21   Josedin   734   0
22   Rote_Laterne   720   0
23   Bminchow   718   0
24   Triley36   705   0
25   Yellow_Knight   684   0
26   SafeBet   648   0
27   Comodoro   547   0
28   Pirate81   546   0
29   BikeRacer33   528   0
30   Leadbelly   516   0
   Collective_Wisdom   713   

The top three teams should be able to expect a final bonus of 20 each for Roglic's collection of fluffy lions tomorrow, and if he is as high as most expect in the stage, they should be beyond the difference that Search might be able to make up from Bennett on Sunday.  But Uran has a very good chance of overtaking Yates for 30 points in the time trial, which brings Search back into contention.

Other than Roglic, the top three also share Dumoulin (of course) and Van Garderen (!)

Those that make the differences between the teams are
Amis Velo
PINOT Thibaut
HERMANS Ben
BUCHMANN Emanuel
GIBBONS Ryan
BOL Cees

Blues in the Bottle
(BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley)
COQUARD Bryan
JUNGELS Bob
NIV Guy
REZA Kévin

Del1962
PINOT Thibaut
(BARDET Romain)
MARTIN Daniel
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
ELISSONDE Kenny

So they all have some potential for minor points on Sunday, but nothing to pick between them tomorrow, I suspect.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 19, 2020, 17:16
Right then, lets have an update  :D
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 19, 2020, 17:19
Yeah, last night's speculation looks a bit awry now...
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 19, 2020, 18:05
Ohh could come down to Bol V Le Coq
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 00:32
Stage 20

This morning, the two teams with Pogacar were 5th and 6th, just one point apart, but seemed likely to be overhauled by the last remaining Roglic team below them and any difference between them would be of negligible importance.

And then that happened.

Green points

The rule against typing 'and Dumoulin' applies again, for every team with 50 or more points.

1   JustSomeGuy   132 (Pogacar, Mas)
2   Salvarani   130 (Pogacar)
3=   ChrisDK, Ray10   75 (Van Aert)
5=   AmisVelo, BicycleBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Del1962   65
9   Koronin   52 (Mas)
10   Uran teams  51
17   Dumoulin but no other top ten   50
29   ArchieBoy   25
30   Josedin   0
   Collective_Wisdom   51

Standings

Salvarani jumps 4 places today, but his only sprinter for tomorrow is Bol, who is most unlikely to make up the 39 points he lacks, and even if he did, Bol is also on Archie's team (as are Mezgec, Van Aert and Bol).  However, If Bennett is in the first two on the Champs, then the way is open for Search (or Laarsland, if Bennett wins and Mezgec is in the top four) to make a late challenge.

1   ArchieBoy   637
2   Salvarani   598
3   Search   589
4   Scrool07   585
5   Laarsland   569
6   ChrisDK   557
7   Ray10   525
8   JustSomeGuy   508
9   Googolplex   462
10   BluesInTheBottle   433


Main Game

Far more change than I think most of us expected


POGACAR Tadej   282   2 teams
DUMOULIN Tom   100   28
VAN AERT Wout   35   3
MAS NICOLAU Enric   32   2
LANDA MEANA Mikel   30   1
MARTIN Guillaume   10   2
---
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   -30   1
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   -120   6
ROGLIC Primoz   -135   4


1   JustSomeGuy   416  (Pogacar, Dumoulin and Mas)
2   Salvarani   395  (Pogacar, Dumoulin and Martin)
3   ChrisDK   141 (Dumoulin and Van Aert)
4   Ray10   135 (Dumoulin and Van Aert)
5   Mellow_Velo   132  (Dumoulin and Landa)
6   Leadbelly   112
7   Comodoro   106
8   Bminchow   104
8   Koronin   104
10   Rote_Laterne   103
10   Shalgo   103
10   Triley36   103
13   BikeRacer33   102
13   Googolplex   102
13   Pirate81   102
16   DJSprtsch   101
17   Yellow_Knight   98
18   SafeBet   97
19   ArchieBoy   37
20   Josedin   -1
21   Armchair_Cyclist   -15
22   Scrool07   -16
23   Northerner   -17
23   Search   -17
25   Laarsland   -18
25   Otoxiep87   -18
27   AmisVelo   -33
28   Del1962   -34
29   BluesInTheBottle   -35
30   BicycleBoy   -37
   Collective_Wisdom   104

Standings

An eleventh hour shake-up of what had looked almost settled, and we are left with a two horse race. The two Pogacar teams would have each moved up four places, except that Enric Mas gained a place from Lopez' disastrous TT, and that puts JSG in pole position rather than one behind.  As if to make up for Valverde falling out of the top ten, Koronin appears in it.

1   JustSomeGuy   1900   5
2   Salvarani   1880   3
3   AmisVelo   1528   -2
4   Search   1510   0
5   BluesInTheBottle   1501   -3
6   Del1962   1497   -3
7   BicycleBoy   1444   0
8   Scrool07   1381   0
9   Laarsland   1245   0
10   Koronin   1180   1
11   Armchair_Cyclist   1160   -1
12   Shalgo   1094   1
13   DJSprtsch   1077   2
14   ChrisDK   1070   3
15   Ray10   1062   3
16   Otoxiep87   1044   -4
17   ArchieBoy   1008   -1
18   Northerner   969   -4
19   Googolplex   963   0
20   Mellow_Velo   888   0
21   Rote_Laterne   823   1
22   Bminchow   822   1
23   Triley36   808   1
24   Yellow_Knight   782   1
25   SafeBet   745   1
26   Josedin   733   -5
27   Comodoro   653   0
28   Pirate81   648   0
29   BikeRacer33   630   0
30   Leadbelly   628   0
   Collective_Wisdom   817   

Apart from Pogacar and Dumoulin, the top two both share Pinot and De Gendt.

So the determining factor tomorrow will be the comparative performances of these quartets:

Just Some Guy:
BUCHMANN Emanuel
COQUARD Bryan
GIBBONS Ryan
MAS NICOLAU Enric


Salvarani:
BOL Cees
MARTIN Daniel
MARTIN Guillaume
ROLLAND Pierre


So in essence, it is down to whether Bol can outscore Coquard tomorrow.  Van Aert and Ewan are poised to push Coquard down the Green jersey positions if they finish ahead of him, so it could be very tight.  If Sam Bennett gets the sort of result that is expected of him tomorrow, then Search should find himself on the podium.

The numbers so far (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing)

And those average scores for each forum: Velorooms 1095, Cycling News 1081.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 07:19
Oh la la
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 12:42

OK, this gets complicated, but stay with me.

Coquard is currently credited with 25 points in the game for holding 4th place in the green jersey competition.  He cannot improve on that position, but could lose places, and he loses 10 points if one of them passes him, and 15 if both of them do.  Bol is not going to get any points in this game for the green classification.


So Just Some Guy's advantage might be 20, 10 or 5 points.

A win for Bol (stop laughing) would guarantee victory for Salvarani.

These are all written as what Coquard would need to get to keep JSG in the lead
If the margin is 20:
Bol 2nd, Coq would need 3rd
CB 3rd, BC needs 5th, which would make a tie
CB 4th, BC 7th to make a tie
and if Coquard retains those 20 points, there is nothing Cees Bol can do for Salvarani if he can't make the top 4.

If the margin is 10:
Bol 2nd, Salvarani wins (unless Coquard wins the stage)
Bol 3rd/4th/5th, Coquard needs 4th/5th/6th for a tie
Bol 6th, BC outside the top ten is a tie
Bol 7th or lower, JSG is the champion

If the margin is 5

Bol in the top 4, Coquard would need to finish ahead of him
Bol 5th/6th,  Coquard one place behind him would make a tie
Bol 7th, a tie unless Coquard is in the top ten
Bol lower than 7th is no use for Salvarani.


If none of the relevant riders get points at the mid-race sprint, then Coquard's margin over Van Aert and Ewan is 13 and 15 points respectively: In that situation, the following paragraph applies.

If van Aert or Ewan win, Coquard can't prevent them overtaking him, but he can hold either of them finishing second off by being in the top 4.  To stay ahead of Van Aert in 3rd/4th/5th/6th, Coquard needs 9th/11th/13th/15th.  If Ewan is 3rd 4th or 5th, Coquard needs 11th/13/15th to stay ahead of him.

But if any of these three get points at the intermediate sprint, I'll have 5 laps left of the Champs to recalculate.

And this being 2020, it may be that something else affects the scores.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 14:43
Ohh that is complicated and I am nervous
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 17:29
Int sprint done and I am confused :D
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 17:36
Much to my relief, the intermediate sprint has made no difference to the game calculations.  So the finishing positions (in the paragraph beginning "If Van Aert or Ewan win") hold good as the thing that determines how many points Salvarani is behind.  I don't need to do any more Maths until it is over.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 18:13
Coquard looks to be low in the ten, Bol nowhere: I think JSG has won.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 18:13
:broccoli
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 18:50
Stage 21

Green points

1   DJSprtsch   85 (Pedersen and Sagan)
2=   Googolplex, Laarsland, Search, Shalgo   80 (Bennett)
6=   Bminchow, Yellow_Knight   35 (Sagan)
8=   ArchieBoy, ChrisDK, Ray10   10  (Van Aert)
11   BluesInTheBottle, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Koronin, SafeBet   2 (Coquard)
16   The rest   0

Final Green Standings

Archie spent much of the race in the lead in this classification, but in the end, Sagan-like, he succumbed to Sam Bennett.  Hirschi getting more stage points than Mezgec was the maiin difference that gets Search the minor award.

1   Search   669
2   Laarsland   649
3   ArchieBoy   647
4   Salvarani   598
5   Scrool07   585
6   ChrisDK   567
7   Googolplex   542
8   Ray10   535
9   JustSomeGuy   510
10   Shalgo   486
11   DJSprtsch   445
12   BluesInTheBottle   435
13   AmisVelo   429
14   Otoxiep87   415
15   Del1962   381
16   BicycleBoy   370
17   Josedin   359
18   Armchair_Cyclist   342
19   Yellow_Knight   332
20   SafeBet   279
21   Northerner   275
22   Koronin   266
23   Bminchow   249
24   Comodoro   238
25   BikeRacer33   228
26   Pirate81   221
27   Mellow_Velo   214
28   Triley36   187
29   Rote_Laterne   157
30   Leadbelly   134
   Collective_Wisdom   277



Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 19:13
Stage 21   Main Game 

Very little change in rider scores other than the stage points, not even 20 points for the leader

BENNETT Sam   80   4 teams
PEDERSEN Mads   50   1
SAGAN Peter   35   3
VAN AERT Wout   10   3
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   2   2
KÄMNA Lennard   2   7
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon   2   1
COQUARD Bryan   2   5
---
MARTIN Daniel   -1   4
REICHENBACH Sébastien   -2   1
BENNETT George   -4   2


Today

almost exactly as above

1   DJSprtsch   85
2   Googolplex   80
2   Laarsland   80
2   Search   80
2   Shalgo   80
6   Yellow_Knight   35
7   Bminchow   34
8   ChrisDK   14
9   ArchieBoy   10
10   Ray10   8
11   Koronin   4
12   Armchair_Cyclist   2
12   BikeRacer33   2
12   BluesInTheBottle   2
12   Comodoro   2
12   Josedin   2
12   JustSomeGuy   2
12   SafeBet   2
12   Scrool07   2
20   AmisVelo   0
20   BicycleBoy   0
20   Leadbelly   0
20   Mellow_Velo   0
20   Otoxiep87   0
20   Rote_Laterne   0
20   Triley36   0
27   Del1962   -1
27   Northerner   -1
27   Salvarani   -1
30   Pirate81   -2
   Collective_Wisdom   2


Final standings

In the end, Bol finished behind Coquard, so all my calculations were redundant.  Just Some Guy slightly extends his winning margin, and Search passes Amis Velo to grab the final podium spot.

1   JustSomeGuy   1902   0
2   Salvarani   1879   0
3   Search   1590   1
4   AmisVelo   1528   -1
5   BluesInTheBottle   1503   0
6   Del1962   1496   0
7   BicycleBoy   1444   0
8   Scrool07   1383   0
9   Laarsland   1325   0
10   Koronin   1184   0
11   Shalgo   1174   1
12   Armchair_Cyclist   1162   -1
12   DJSprtsch   1162   1
14   ChrisDK   1084   0
15   Ray10   1070   0
16   Otoxiep87   1044   0
17   Googolplex   1043   2
18   ArchieBoy   1018   -1
19   Northerner   968   -1
20   Mellow_Velo   888   0
21   Bminchow   856   1
22   Rote_Laterne   823   -1
23   Yellow_Knight   817   1
24   Triley36   808   -1
25   SafeBet   747   0
26   Josedin   735   0
27   Comodoro   655   0
28   Pirate81   646   0
29   BikeRacer33   632   0
30   Leadbelly   628   0
   Collective_Wisdom   819   


Well done to JSG, to Salvarani for also investing in the winner, and to Search for his double coup on the last day; thanks to all the entrants, and to the CQ and PCS websites, and to those who have retained interest so far.

More numbers tomorrow: spreadsheet is on the link at the end of yesterday's post, but I will generate some analysis tomorrow, all things being well.

And the battle between the forums for their average scores was of Lemond/Fignon closeness: Velorooms 1104.58; CN 1104.53
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on September 20, 2020, 19:32
All Hail Armchair, JSG and Velorooms! The last one no thanks to me. :P
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on September 20, 2020, 20:23
Thanks AC for all the work you do with these games.

2nd win for me to won the classics and TDF now.

Let's not talk about Velogames :D

Well done VR on the average win and Search for #vert and well done the podium especially Salvarani for a fun last stage
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 20, 2020, 23:20
All Hail Armchair, JSG and Velorooms! The last one no thanks to me. :P

But it is thanks to you.  If you had picked a team that scored 627, Cycling News would have won.

I didn't put my own score in either team: although Amis Velo sent his team to me by text, I counted it as VeloRooms, because if he does use one of the forums, it is this one.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: search on September 21, 2020, 08:01
thanks for organizing the game again. :cool

3rd isn't bad, I guess. As MV said the other day, "[Even :angel] Jens Voigt couldn't beat JSG in Velogames", so I'll just paraphrase that into something positive :D
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 21, 2020, 18:26
Green point scorers

Those winning a stage, or points at least equivalent to that:
POGACAR Tadej   345   2 teams
BENNETT Sam   323   4
ROGLIC Primoz   270   4
VAN AERT Wout   265   3
EWAN Caleb   218   0
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh   198   0

HIRSCHI Marc   166   2
SAGAN Peter   152   3
KÄMNA Lennard   130   7
PEDERSEN Mads   125   1
MEZGEC Luka   116   3
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   115   6
ALAPHILIPPE Julian   111   2
KRISTOFF Alexander   105   0
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   102   0
PORTE Richie   97   0

BOL Cees   93   7
KWIATKOWSKI Michal   85   1
LUTSENKO Alexey   85   0
VAN AVERMAET Greg   85   0

MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   80   4
PETERS Nans   80   0


Who had them?

1   Search   669 (Bennett, Hirschi, Lopez)
2   Laarsland   649 (Bennett, Mezgec, Lopez)
3   ArchieBoy   647 (Van Aert, Mezgac, Bol, Martinez)
4   Salvarani   598 (Pogacar, Bol)
5   Scrool07   585 (Hirschi, Kamna, Bol, Martinez)
6   ChrisDK   567 (Van Aert, Kamna, Martinez)
7   Googolplex   542 (Bennett, Bol)
8   Ray10   535 (Van Aert, Kamna, Kwiatkowski)
9   JustSomeGuy   510 (Pogacar)
10   Shalgo   486 (Bennett)
11   DJSprtsch   445 (Sagan, Pedersen)
12   BluesInTheBottle   435 (Roglic)
13   AmisVelo   429 (Roglic, Bol)
14   Otoxiep87   415 (Mezgec, Lopez, Bol)
15   Del1962   381 (Roglic)
16   BicycleBoy   370 (Roglic)
17   Josedin   359 (Kamna, Alaphilippe)
18   Armchair_Cyclist   342 (Kamna, Lopez)
19   Yellow_Knight   332 (Sagan, Martinez)
20   SafeBet   279 (Alaphilippe)
21   Northerner   275 (Lopez)
22   Koronin   266 (none of these, Coquard (77) as highest)
23   Bminchow   249 (Sagan)
24   Comodoro   238 (Bol)
25   BikeRacer33   228 (Kamna)
26   Pirate81   221  (Kamna)
27   Mellow_Velo   214 (Bol)
28   Triley36   187 (none of these, highest Rolland (65))
29   Rote_Laterne   157 (None, Dumoulin (52))
30   Leadbelly   134 (None, Dumoulin (52))
   Collective_Wisdom   277 (Kamna, Bol)
So I think that means 8 managers never got to claim that their rider had one the stage.

If you had a focus on this classification alone, and with remarkable foresight, you could have had
POGACAR Tadej
BENNETT Sam
VAN AERT Wout
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
HIRSCHI Marc
MEZGEC Luka
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos
ROWE Luke

as a team, just within budget, scoring 1453 in this classification alone and easily winning the main game with 2527.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 21, 2020, 21:47
Main game scorers

POGACAR Tadej   1048   2 teams
ROGLIC Primoz   975   4
PORTE Richie   480   0

BENNETT Sam   423   4
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel   390   6
VAN AERT Wout   352   3
LANDA MEANA Mikel   350   1
MAS NICOLAU Enric   322   2
YATES Adam   305   0

DUMOULIN Tom   282   28
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   272   0
EWAN Caleb   248   0

SAGAN Peter   222   3
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh   220   0

ALAPHILIPPE Julian   213   2
HIRSCHI Marc   211   2
URAN URAN Rigoberto   206   7
MARTIN Guillaume   180   2
KÄMNA Lennard   174   7
CARUSO Damiano   167   0

ROLLAND Pierre   152   6
KRISTOFF Alexander   145   0

PEDERSEN Mads   145   1
MEZGEC Luka   136   3
KUSS Sepp   135   3
KWIATKOWSKI Michal   134   1
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   133   4
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   132   1
COQUARD Bryan   122   5
BARGUIL Warren   120   0

BOL Cees   113   7
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   113   1
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos   112   1
LUTSENKO Alexey   110   0
VAN AVERMAET Greg   106   0
PETERS Nans   102   0



Who had them?

Assume Dumoulin unless otherwise stated

1   JustSomeGuy   1902  (Pogacar, Mas, Coquard)
2   Salvarani   1879  (Pogacar, Rolland, G Martin, Bol)
3   Search   1590 (Bennett, Lopez, Hirschi, Uran)
4   AmisVelo   1528 (Roglic, Bol)
5   BluesInTheBottle   1503 (Roglic, Coquard)
6   Del1962   1496 (Roglic)
7   BicycleBoy   1444 (Roglic)
8   Scrool07   1383 (Lopez, Hirschi, Kamna, Kuss, Martinez)
9   Laarsland   1325 (Bennett, Lopez, Mezgec)
10   Koronin   1184 (Mas, Kuss, Valverde, Coquard)
11   Shalgo   1174 (Bennett, Uran, Rolland)
12   Armchair_Cyclist   1162 (Lopez, Uran, Kamna)
12   DJSprtsch   1162 (Sagan, Uran, Rolland, Pedersen)
14   ChrisDK   1084 (Van Aert, Kamna, Martinez)
15   Ray10   1070  (Van Aert, Kamna, Kwiatkowski)
16   Otoxiep87   1044 (Lopez, Mezgec, Bol)
17   Googolplex   1043 (Bennett, Kuss, Bol)
18   ArchieBoy   1018 (Van Aert, Rolland, Mezgec, Martinez, Bol, no Dumoulin)
19   Northerner   968 (Lopez, Rolland)
20   Mellow_Velo   888 (Landa, Bol)
21   Bminchow   856 (Sagan, Uran)
22   Rote_Laterne   823 (Uran, Quintana, Verona)
23   Yellow_Knight   817 (Sagan, Marrtinez)
24   Triley36   808 (Uran, Rolland)
25   SafeBet   747 (Alaphilippe, Coquard)
26   Josedin   735 (Alaphilippe, Kamna, Coquard, no Dumoulin)
27   Comodoro   655 (Bol)
28   Pirate81   646 (Kamna)
29   BikeRacer33   632 (Kamna)
30   Leadbelly   628 (G Martin)
   Collective_Wisdom   819 (Uran, Kamna, Bol)


Best riders by return %age

The riders who gave back 2/3 or more of their price
REZA Kévin   400%   3 teaams
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos   373%   1
DUMOULIN Tom   203%   28
NIEUWENHUIS Joris   167%   2
ROWE Luke   125%   0
BURGAUDEAU Mathieu   118%   0
SICARD Romain   109%   0

ROLLAND Pierre   106%   6
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew   105%   1
HIRSCHI Marc   104%   2
VAN GARDEREN Tejay   100.0   7
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh   96%   0
PEDERSEN Casper Phillip   88%   0
GRELLIER Fabien   87%   0

MAS NICOLAU Enric   83%   2
BOL Cees   77%   7
MEZGEC Luka   76%   3
KWIATKOWSKI Michal   75%   1
CHEVALIER Maxime   74%   0
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney   74%   0

POGACAR Tadej   73%   2
URAN URAN Rigoberto   67%   7
LADAGNOUS Matthieu   67%   0



The "I shouldn't have done that" list: those returning less than 10% of their price (ignoring those that no-one picked.  Buchmann and Bernal seriously damaged many teams' hopes, but Pinot was on so many teams, and rather ineffectually replaced by the few that didn't have him, that he made little difference.
MOHORIC Matej   9.0 %   1 team
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   8.2   1
SIVAKOV Pavel   8.0   3
BONIFAZIO Niccolo   7.9   1
PINOT Thibaut   6.9   26
DE GENDT Thomas   6.8   4
BUCHMANN Emanuel   6.5   12
BENNETT George   5.9   2
NIZZOLO Giacomo   4.8   3
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley   2.8   16
BARDET Romain   0.8   7
ARU Fabio   0.0   2
CRAS Steff   0.0   1
DEBUSSCHERE Jens   0.0   1
DEGENKOLB John   0.0   2
FORMOLO Davide   0.0   2
GAUDU David   0.0   1
LATOUR Pierre   0.0   3
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas   0.0   1
POZZOVIVO Domenico   0.0   3


Impeccable picks

POGACAR Tadej
PORTE Richie
MAS NICOLAU Enric
DUMOULIN Tom
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos
ROWE Luke
REZA Kévin



Best possible team
This might not be the best possible, but without trying too many permutations, this is the best I can find.  Let me know if you can find a better one (@Hakkie2 nearly always could, but hasn't been on these games for a while)
POGACAR Tadej
PORTE Richie
MAS NICOLAU Enric
YATES Adam
DUMOULIN Tom
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
HIRSCHI Marc
URAN URAN Rigoberto
Cost 3977, Score 3074 (and 941 for the green game)

Winner's team

POGACAR Tadej   1048
MAS NICOLAU Enric   322
DUMOULIN Tom   282
COQUARD Bryan   122
PINOT Thibaut   54
BUCHMANN Emanuel   33
GIBBONS Ryan   21
DE GENDT Thomas   20

and in terms of what separated him from the 50% identical team of Salvarani
JSG
MAS NICOLAU Enric   322
COQUARD Bryan   122
BUCHMANN Emanuel   33
GIBBONS Ryan   21


Salvarani
MARTIN Guillaume   180
ROLLAND Pierre   152
BOL Cees   113
MARTIN Daniel   30

So essentially, it was Jens Debusschere's sacrificing himself to keep Coquard inside the lime limit on stage 17 that won it for Just Some Guy.



Here is the spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16-UdmM1h8EHCnyM2OGjiD8JF46uVypT-/view?usp=sharing), and I'll see you all far too soon for the Giro.
Title: Re: 2020 TdF CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on October 02, 2020, 21:22
Late but warm congratulations to JSG and again a big thank you to AC.