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Title: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 13, 2020, 11:37
The Giro is still going on, and the Ronde is a few days away, but La Vuelta starts (fingers crossed: this morning's Giro news does not imbue confidence) a week today, so let's start this.

Your Team  8 riders who take part in La Vuelta, whose total cost is 3500 CQ (http://cqranking.com) points.

Rider Prices  CQ points for the year to 11/10/20 (it wouldn't be practical to take prices to the 18th), as in the selection tool. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zPwo_1GbowDGvq-eKj6eRidoJvxQ9J2v/view?usp=sharing)

Your points earned  The CQ points for the event, including stage points, mountain and sprinter classification and a bonus for the red jersey wearer as well as GC points.  The full scale is on the selection tool.  There is a minor classification based on stage points only: some managers like to submit their team with one eye on that.

Entering By PM on Velorooms or Cycling News to me, by the start of stage one on Tuesday 20th October.  Please use the full CQ version of rider names, and do not have anything other than their name on each line. (The selection tool will help on that too.)

Issue resolution  In the case of discontinued stages or prematurely finished race, I will follow CQ's decision about points allocation.  If your team is overbudget or has ineligible riders, I'll let you know as soon as I can and hopefully you will swap, but I will replace riders if necessary with next most expensive from same team (if possible) or next most expensive in the race.  And if there is a tie or identical teams, there has been a precedent in the current Giro, so I will refer to that if necessary.

Results service  There should be daily updates.


It is probably going to take a while for the startlist to be finalised, so no need to be in too much of a hurry to get your team in.

Good luck, and enjoy the game (if the Vuelta happens)
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 16, 2020, 22:41

Most teams have now confirmed their line-ups, and I have chosen my mob and got the spreadsheet ready: looking forward to entries, and maybe even to a race taking place.
 
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: search on October 17, 2020, 16:30
Startlist with CQ values

         
#jumbo TEAM JUMBO - VISMA   #groupama GROUPAMA - FDJ  
ROGLIC Primoz 3433   ARMIRAIL Bruno 145
BENNETT George 660   DELAGE Mickaël 5
DUMOULIN Tom 557   GAUDU David 164
GESINK Robert 155   LADAGNOUS Matthieu 35
HOFSTEDE Lennard 39   LE GAC Olivier 80
KUSS Sepp 510   PINOT Thibaut 631
MARTENS Paul 40   ROUX Anthony 136
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas 87   SEIGLE Romain 65
  5481     1261
#ag2r AG2R LA MONDIALE   #grenadiers INEOS GRENADIERS  
CHAMPOUSSIN Clément 67   AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey 58
DOMONT Axel 15   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 1281
FRANK Mathias 23   FROOME Chris 15
GENIEZ Alexandre 0   GOLAS Michal 45
GODON Dorian 189   RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith 28
JAUREGUI Quentin 45   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro 75
PETERS Nans 233   VAN BAARLE Dylan 232
TANFIELD Harry 5   WURF Cameron 5
  577     1739
#astana ASTANA PRO TEAM   #israel ISRAEL START-UP NATION  
ARANBURU DEBA Alexander 353   MARTIN Daniel 324
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 143   BADILATTI Matteo 203
GRUZDEV Dmitriy 43   GOLDSTEIN Omer 42
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka 459   HOLLENSTEIN Reto 45
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion 311   PICCOLI James 85
KUDUS Merhawi Gebremedhin 111   RENARD Alexis 20
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 402   RÄIM Mihkel 126
VLASOV Aleksandr 784   SUTHERLAND Rory 10
  2606     855
#bahrain BAHRAIN - MCLAREN   #lotto LOTTO SOUDAL  
BOLE Grega 56   DEWULF Stan 115
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago 48   GOOSSENS Kobe 24
DAVIES Scott 15   MARCZYNSKI Tomasz 99
INKELAAR Kevin 40   MERTZ Rémy 30
MOHORIC Matej 302   THIJSSEN Gerben 53
POELS Wout 185   VAN DER SANDE Tosh 157
WILLIAMS Stephen 5   VAN MOER Brent 20
WRIGHT Fred 15   WELLENS Tim 236
  666     734
#bora BORA - HANSGROHE   #mitchelton MITCHELTON - SCOTT  
ACKERMANN Pascal 1301   CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 505
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix 294   EDMONDSON Alexander 28
LAAS Martin 74   GRMAY Tsgabu Gebremaryam 58
MCCARTHY Jay 133   NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel 409
SCHELLING Ide 61   SCHULTZ Nicholas 80
SCHILLINGER Andreas 5   SCOTSON Callum 20
SCHWARZMANN Michael 72   SMITH Dion 405
SELIG Rüdiger 64   STANNARD Robert 168
  2004     1673
#burgos BURGOS - BH   #movistar MOVISTAR TEAM  
BOL Jetse 138   ARCAS PEÑA Jorge 56
CABEDO CARDA Oscar 42   ERVITI OLLO Imanol 46
EZQUERRA MUELA Jesus 18   MAS NICOLAU Enric 611
MADRAZO RUIZ Angel 150   OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes 176
MOLENAAR Alex 5   ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin 155
OSORIO ARBOLEDA Juan Felipe 20   SOLER GIMENEZ Marc 413
SMIT Willie 27   VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 1088
VILELA Ricardo Augusto Afonso 30   VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos 124
  430     2669
#cajarural CAJA RURAL-SEGUROS RGA   #ntt NTT PRO CYCLING TEAM  
ABERASTURI IZAGA Jon 204   BARBERO CUESTA Carlos 123
AMEZQUETA MORENO Julen 12   DE BOD Stefan 53
BAGÜES KALPARSORO Aritz 19   DLAMINI Nicholas 20
CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro 66   DYBALL Benjamin 16
GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando 16   GASPAROTTO Enrico 46
LASTRA MARTINEZ Jonathan 100   JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt 78
SAEZ BENITO Hector 15   MÄDER Gino 42
SERRANO RODRIGUEZ Gonzalo 122   VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael 155
  554     533
#ccc CCC TEAM   #sunweb TEAM SUNWEB  
BARTA William 57   ARENSMAN Thymen 8
GESCHKE Simon 446   DONOVAN Mark 15
HIRT Jan 155   KANTER Max 42
MARECZKO Jakub 102   POWER Robert 102
PALUTA Michal 7   SALMON Martin 0
VENTOSO ALBERDI Francisco Jose 53   STORER Michael 116
WISNIOWSKI Lukasz 44   SÜTTERLIN Jasha 114
ZIMMERMANN Georg 85   VAN WILDER Ilan 26
  949     423
#cofidis COFIDIS   #total TOTAL DIRECT ENERGIE  
BARCELO ARAGON Fernando 123   FERRON Valentin 10
BERHANE Natnael Teweldemedhin 39   HIVERT Jonathan 41
HERRADA LOPEZ Jose 71   LIGTHART Pim 25
LAFAY Victor 25   MANZIN Lorrenzo 43
MARTIN Guillaume 813   OURSELIN Paul 13
MATE MARDONES Luis Angel 44   SICARD Romain 70
MORIN Emmanuel 122   SIMON Julien 71
PERICHON Pierre-Luc 33   TERPSTRA Niki 40
  1270     313
#deceuninck DECEUNINCK - QUICK-STEP   #trek TREK - SEGAFREDO  
BAGIOLI Andrea 351   DE KORT Koen 20
BENNETT Sam 1084   EG Niklas 136
CATTANEO Mattia 171   ELISSONDE Kenny 176
CAVAGNA Rémi 552   KAMP Alexander 15
GARRISON Ian 15   LIEPINS Emils 66
MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael 152   LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro 25
STEIMLE Jannik 182   MOSCHETTI Matteo 207
STYBAR Zdenek 250   RIES Michel 39
  2757     684
#ef EF EDUCATION FIRST   #uae UAE TEAM EMIRATES  
CARTHY Hugh 286   COSTA Rui Alberto Faria 434
CORT NIELSEN Magnus 86   DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David 244
DOCKER Mitchell 38   FORMOLO Davide 439
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe 927   HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 121
OWEN Logan 15   OLIVEIRA Ivo Emanuel Alves 50
VAN DEN BERG Julius 15   OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves 22
VAN GARDEREN Tejay 38   PHILIPSEN Jasper 431
WOODS Michael 557   RIABUSHENKO Aliaksandr 158
  1962     1899
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Leadbelly on October 17, 2020, 20:49
Wow!

Roglic ≈ #sunweb + #ag2r + #ntt + #bahrain + #trek + #lotto

Could stretch it out to seven teams if we swapped Lotto for Total and Burgos.
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 17, 2020, 22:15
Wow!

Roglic ≈ #sunweb + #ag2r + #ntt + #bahrain + #trek + #lotto

Could stretch it out to seven teams if we swapped Lotto for Total and Burgos.

He can be afforded: Roglic + the seven cheapest riders still leaves 42 points in the budget, to choose from among the not quite cheapest.

But will anyone go for it?
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: search on October 19, 2020, 15:41
that startlist up there should be complete and final now. There were three changes compared to the first version: Archbold, Covi, Ludvigsson out, Cavagna, Oliveira, Delage in
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 20, 2020, 13:48
So we're off

The midweek start may have been too much change to cope with for a few of our regulars, but we have 30 teams, and one newcomer (welcome Luthor), so here goes:

Amis Velo
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   KUSS Sepp   
   STANNARD Robert   
   POWER Robert   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   FROOME Chris   

Archie Boy
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
   GAUDU David   
   MADRAZO RUIZ Angel   
   BARBERO CUESTA Carlos   
   FROOME Chris   

Armchair Cyclist
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   WOODS Michael   
   POELS Wout   
   MCCARTHY Jay   *
   CORT NIELSEN Magnus   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   

BicycleBoy
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   WOODS Michael   
   BAGIOLI Andrea   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   POELS Wout   
   FROOME Chris   

BikeRacer33
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   KUSS Sepp   
   SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
   MOHORIC Matej   *
   GAUDU David   
   BARCELO ARAGON Fernando   *
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   

Blues in the Bottle
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   BAGIOLI Andrea   
   LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro   
   OSORIO ARBOLEDA Juan Felipe   *
   FROOME Chris   

Bminchow
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   FORMOLO Davide   
   BAGIOLI Andrea   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   GAUDU David   
   POWER Robert   

ChrisDK
   MARTIN Guillaume   
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David   
   ABERASTURI IZAGA Jon   
   MADRAZO RUIZ Angel   
   FROOME Chris   

Comodoro
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   GAUDU David   
   VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
   LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro   
   FROOME Chris   

Del1962
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   POELS Wout   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   
   VAN GARDEREN Tejay   
   FROOME Chris   

Fivezzz
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   WOODS Michael   
   SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
   GROSSSCHARTNER Felix   *
   GAUDU David   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   

Kazistuta
   VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion   
   MOSCHETTI Matteo   *
   GAUDU David   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   
   THIJSSEN Gerben   *

Koronin
   VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel   *
   ABERASTURI IZAGA Jon   
   MADRAZO RUIZ Angel   
   BARBERO CUESTA Carlos   
   STORER Michael   *

Laarsland
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   WOODS Michael   
   FORMOLO Davide   
   SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
   IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion   
   STANNARD Robert   
   GAUDU David   

Leadbelly
   VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   FROOME Chris   

Los Brolin
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   CARTHY Hugh   *
   DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David   
   GAUDU David   
   FROOME Chris   

Luthor
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   PHILIPSEN Jasper   
   DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David   
   POELS Wout   
   GAUDU David   
   FROOME Chris   

Mellow Velo
   MARTIN Guillaume   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   WOODS Michael   
   ABERASTURI IZAGA Jon   
   POWER Robert   
   FROOME Chris   

Nakazar
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   
   ARANBURU DEBA Alexander   
   BAGIOLI Andrea   
   WELLENS Tim   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   

Northerner
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   PINOT Thibaut   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   WELLENS Tim   
   CORT NIELSEN Magnus   
   KANTER Max   
   FROOME Chris   

Otoxiep87
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   PHILIPSEN Jasper   
   ARANBURU DEBA Alexander   
   BAGIOLI Andrea   
   DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David   
   GAUDU David   

Redhead Dane
   KUSS Sepp   
   POELS Wout   
   OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes   *
   BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago   *
   MATE MARDONES Luis Angel   *
   HIVERT Jonathan   *
   SUTHERLAND Rory   *
   SCHILLINGER Andreas   *

SafeBet
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   WOODS Michael   
   KUSS Sepp   
   WELLENS Tim   
   GAUDU David   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   

Salvarani

   PINOT Thibaut   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   WOODS Michael   
   CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   
   BAGIOLI Andrea   
   HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis   *
   CORT NIELSEN Magnus   

Scrool07
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   WOODS Michael   
   POELS Wout   
   CORT NIELSEN Magnus   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   
   FROOME Chris   

Search
   VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   WOODS Michael   
   GAUDU David   
   POWER Robert   
   CORT NIELSEN Magnus   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   

Shalgo
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   WOODS Michael   
   SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   POELS Wout   
   FROOME Chris   

TRiley36
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   KUSS Sepp   
   BAGIOLI Andrea   
   CORT NIELSEN Magnus   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   
   FROOME Chris   

Vladimir
   CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   FORMOLO Davide   
   GAUDU David   
   DEWULF Stan   *
   POWER Robert   
   KANTER Max   

Yellow Knight
   VLASOV Aleksandr   
   MAS NICOLAU Enric   
   DUMOULIN Tom   
   WOODS Michael   
   SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
   MARTIN Daniel   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   
   FROOME Chris   
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 20, 2020, 14:59
Between us we have chosen 51 of the 176 riders, 18 of them as unique picks, who were marked with an asterisk in the previous list.

On 26 teams: MAS NICOLAU Enric  (omitted by ArchieBoy, Laarsland, Redhead Dane and Vladimir)
23:  DUMOULIN Tom
16:  VLASOV Aleksandr, FROOME Chris
13:  CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio, GAUDU David
12:  SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro
For the Collective Wisdom team, I have used these seven, who have a total cost of 3487, and cheap unique pick Dylan Sutherland.
11:  WOODS Michael
8:  PINOT Thibaut
7:  BAGIOLI Andrea, POELS Wout
6:  CORT NIELSEN Magnus, MARTIN Daniel, SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
5:  KUSS Sepp, POWER Robert
4:  DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David, VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
3:  ABERASTURI IZAGA Jon, FORMOLO Davide, MADRAZO RUIZ Angel, WELLENS Tim
2:  ARANBURU DEBA Alexander, BARBERO CUESTA Carlos, CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban, IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion, KANTER Max, LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro, MARTIN Guillaume, PHILIPSEN Jasper, STANNARD Robert, VAN GARDEREN Tejay, VAN WILDER Ilan



Popularity table

1   Yellow_Knight   116
2   Scrool07   114
3   Comodoro   111
3   Shalgo   111
5   SafeBet   109
6   Fivezzz   108
6   Triley36   108
8   Del1962   107
9   Leadbelly   105
10   Luthor   104
11   LosBrolin   102
12   Armchair_Cyclist   99
12   Bminchow   99
14   BicycleBoy   97
14   Northerner   97
16   BluesInTheBottle   96
17   Mellow_Velo   94
18   ChrisDK   93
18   Otoxiep87   93
18   Search   93
21   ArchieBoy   92
22   Nakazar   91
23   AmisVelo   85
24   Salvarani   84
25   Kazistuta   82
26   BikeRacer33   77
27   Vladimir   76
28   Laarsland   61
29   Koronin   48
30   RedheadDane   18
   Collective_Wisdom   120


Major picks
Riders over 500pt cost, and how we have combined them.

Carapaz,  Vlasov, Mas and Dumoulin:   Comodoro   
Carapaz,  Vlasov, Mas and Kuss:   Amis Velo   
Carapaz,  Vlasov and Dumoulin:   ArchieBoy, Vladimir   
               
Carapaz,  Pinot, Mas and Dumoulin:   Blues in the Bottle, Del1962, Northerner   
               
Carapaz,  Mas, Dumoulin and Woods:   Armchair Cyclist, Scrool07   
Carapaz,  Mas, Dumoulin and Kuss:   TRiley36   
Carapaz,  Mas and Dumoulin:   Los Brolin, Luthor      
Carapaz,  Mas and Kuss:   BikeRacer33      
               
               
Valverde, Vlasov, Mas and Dumoulin:   Leadbelly   
Valverde, Vlasov, Mas and Woods:   Search   
               
Valverde, Pinot and Mas:   Koronin      
               
Valverde, Mas and Dumoulin:   Kazistuta      
               
               
Martin (G), Vlasov, Mas and Dumoulin:   ChrisDK   
               
Martin (G), Pinot, Mas, Dumoulin and Woods:   Mellow Velo
               
               
Vlasov,  Pinot, Mas and Woods:   Bicycle Boy   
Vlasov,  Pinot    and Woods:   Laarsland   
               
Vlasov,  Mas, Dumoulin, Woods and Kuss:   SafeBet
Vlasov,  Mas, Dumoulin and Woods:   Fivezzz, Shalgo, Yellow Knight   
Vlasov,  Mas, Dumoulin and Chaves:   Nakazar   
Vlasov,  Mas and Dumoulin:   Bminchow, Otoxiep      
               
               
Pinot,  Mas,  Dumoulin, Woods and Chaves:   Salvarani
               
Kuss:   Redhead Dane            

Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 20, 2020, 16:33
While I have been preparing those pages, Googolplex has weighed in with his team:

BENNETT Sam
VLASOV Aleksandr
DUMOULIN Tom
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix
ABERASTURI IZAGA Jon
GAUDU David
POWER Robert


Despite what my pupils might claim, I am not so rigid as to disqualify him.  If any of you want to give a mental asterisk to his results, that is your perogative.  He adds a unique pick in Bennett, but robs Fivezzz of what was his only UP (Grossschartner), and is pretty low in the popularity table.
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: rote_laterne on October 20, 2020, 18:17
Seems like my pm yesterday didn't get through.  :S

This would have been my selected eight, after todays stage my glorious six:
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio
VLASOV Aleksandr
MAS NICOLAU Enric
MARTIN Daniel
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion
GAUDU David
FRANK Mathias
GENIEZ Alexandre

Good luck to all of you.
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 20, 2020, 20:04
I trust you, RL.  And if you did cheat, you have at least imposed a  five-fold penalty on yourself.
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 20, 2020, 22:53
Stage 1  Totally unlike the opening stage of any GT I have seen or heard of

Green points (Is the point competition in the Vuelta green? I have a mental blank)


1   LosBrolin   77  (Carapaz, Martin D, Mas and Carthy)
2   RoteLaterne   72 (Carapaz, Martin D, Mas)
3   Triley36   51(Carapaz, Mas, Kuss, Bagioli)
4=   AmisVelo, BikeRacer33   50 (Carapaz, Mas, Kuss)
6   BluesInTheBottle   48 (Carapaz, Mas, Bagioli)
7=   Armchair_Cyclist, Comodoro, Del1962, Luthor, Northerner, Scrool07   47
13=   ArchieBoy, Vladimir   40
15=   BicycleBoy, Bminchow   33
17=   Leadbelly, Shalgo, Yellow_Knight   32
20=   Nakazar, Salvarani   23
22   Fivezzz   17
23=   Googolplex, SafeBet   10
25   Otoxiep87   8
26=   ChrisDK, Kazistuta, Koronin, Mellow_Velo, Search   7
31   RedheadDane   3
32   Laarsland   0
   Collective_Wisdom   47



Main Game

With this being a stage one that was all about GC contenders, and their failures, this might have more correlation to real standings than usual.  Or not: seventeen more stages will tell.

1   LosBrolin   1522
2   Triley36   1270
3   BikeRacer33   1186
4   RoteLaterne   1173
5   AmisVelo   1035
6   BluesInTheBottle   1022
7   Luthor   1012
8   Bminchow   1002
9   Armchair_Cyclist   957
9   Del1962   957
9   Scrool07   957
12   Comodoro   929
13   Leadbelly   927
14   Yellow_Knight   888
15   BicycleBoy   886
16   Shalgo   884
17   Northerner   883
18   Nakazar   882
19   Salvarani   878
20   Fivezzz   792
21   Vladimir   736
22   ArchieBoy   724
23   SafeBet   722
24   Otoxiep87   654
25   Kazistuta   591
26   ChrisDK   572
27   Koronin   545
28   Search   532
29   Mellow_Velo   487
30   Googolplex   463
31   RedheadDane   381
32   Laarsland   263
   Collective_Wisdom   951

PCS have left a few riders off the GC rankings so I had to fill in scores manually: hope that doesn't happen often. 

Team Velorooms (AmisVelo, ArchieBoy, ChrisDK, Leadbelly, Mellow_Velo, Otoxiep87, RoteLaterne, Scrool07, Search) Average 785
CN Squad (BicycleBoy, BikeRacer33, BluesInTheBottle, Bminchow, Comodoro, Del1962, Fivezzz, Googolplex, Kazistuta, Koronin, Laarsland, LosBrolin, Luthor, Nakazar, Northerner, RedheadDane, SafeBet, Salvarani, Shalgo, Triley36, Vladimir, Yellow_Knight) Average 850


And the numbers are here, in a Google Drive spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAsC_noBGM_xgvd3RLaScmLPXiFyki54/view?usp=sharing), and that should be updated each evening with the same link, although I tend not to post the link with every update.

Anybody wishing they had done Roglic + 7 cheap makeweights yet?
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 22, 2020, 00:07
Stage 2 This definitely does not feel like the opening few days

Green points

1=   Shalgo, Yellow_Knight   102 (Soler, Martin, Mas)
3   BikeRacer33   94 (Soler, Carapaz, Mas and Kuss)
4   ArchieBoy   85 (Soler, Carapaz)
5   Fivezzz   77 (Soler and Mas)
6   Laarsland   70 (Soler)
7   LosBrolin   50 (Martin, Carapaz, Mas and Carthy)
8   RoteLaterne   47
9   Leadbelly   42
10=   BicycleBoy, Bminchow   32
12=   AmisVelo, Triley36   24
14=   Armchair_Cyclist, BluesInTheBottle, Comodoro, Del1962, Luthor, Northerner, Scrool07   22
21=   Kazistuta, Koronin, Search   17
24   Vladimir   15
25=   Nakazar   12, Salvarani   12
27   SafeBet   9
28=   ChrisDK, Mellow_Velo, Otoxiep87   7
31   RedheadDane   2
32   Googolplex   0
   Collective_Wisdom   22

Standings (stage points only)

1   BikeRacer33   144
2   Shalgo   134
2   Yellow_Knight   134
4   LosBrolin   127
5   ArchieBoy   125
6   RoteLaterne   119
7   Fivezzz   94
8   Triley36   75
9   AmisVelo   74
9   Leadbelly   74

Main game

Changes to projected scores today: although we have pretty much established who might be well placed in GC and some of those who won't, there is still a lot of volatility in the tables.

SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   154 points increase today   6 teams
MARTIN Daniel   85   7
VLASOV Aleksandr   31   18
CARTHY Hugh   28   1
WELLENS Tim   25   3
GAUDU David   24   15
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   18   4
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David   14   4
MAS NICOLAU Enric   14   27
POELS Wout   12   7
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   10   14
---
BAGIOLI Andrea   -24   7
MARTIN Guillaume   -28   2
MOHORIC Matej   -33   1
DUMOULIN Tom   -36   24
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix   -100   2

1   Shalgo   260 (Soler, Martin, Vlasov and Mas, but Dumoulin)
2   Yellow_Knight   246 (Soler, Martin, Vlasov and Mas, but Dumoulin)
3   Laarsland   215 (Soler, Vlasov and Gaudu)
4   ArchieBoy   183
5   RoteLaterne   164
6   BikeRacer33   163
7   LosBrolin   139
8   BicycleBoy   118
9   Leadbelly   110
10   Bminchow   100
11   Fivezzz   85
11   Search   85
13   SafeBet   52
14   AmisVelo   51
15   Comodoro   38
15   Luthor   38
17   Vladimir   35
18   Koronin   26
19   Otoxiep87   23
20   Kazistuta   18
21   Northerner   13
22   RedheadDane   8
23   Nakazar   5
24   Armchair_Cyclist   -2
24   Del1962   -2
24   Scrool07   -2
27   ChrisDK   -5
28   BluesInTheBottle   -41
29   Triley36   -42
30   Salvarani   -43
31   Mellow_Velo   -50
32   Googolplex   -81
   Collective_Wisdom   41



Standings

Earliest pacemaker is Los Brolin.  He is not alone in having Carapaz, Dan Martin and Mas (Rote Laterne also has them), but he backs up that trio with Carthy.  In between them lies BikeRacer33, who lacks Martin, but has Carapaz, Mas, Kuss and Soler.

1   LosBrolin   1661   0
2   BikeRacer33   1349   1
3   RoteLaterne   1337   1
4   Triley36   1228   -2
5   Shalgo   1144   11
6   Yellow_Knight   1134   8
7   Bminchow   1102   1
8   AmisVelo   1086   -3
9   Luthor   1050   -2
10   Leadbelly   1037   3
11   BicycleBoy   1004   4
12   BluesInTheBottle   981   -6
13   Comodoro   967   -1
14   Armchair_Cyclist   955   -5
14   Del1962   955   -5
14   Scrool07   955   -5
17   ArchieBoy   907   5
18   Northerner   896   -1
19   Nakazar   887   -1
20   Fivezzz   877   0
21   Salvarani   835   -2
22   SafeBet   774   1
23   Vladimir   771   -2
24   Otoxiep87   677   0
25   Search   617   3
26   Kazistuta   609   -1
27   Koronin   571   0
28   ChrisDK   567   -2
29   Laarsland   478   3
30   Mellow_Velo   437   -1
31   RedheadDane   389   0
32   Googolplex   382   -2
   Collective_Wisdom   992   


Velorooms  847
CN911

Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 23, 2020, 00:09
Stage 3 and still it's all about the GC guys

Green points

1   RoteLaterne   112  (Mertin, Carapaz, Vlasov, Mas)
2   LosBrolin   105 (Martin, Carapaz, Mas and Carthy)
3=   BicycleBoy, Shalgo   102  (Martin, Poels, Vlasov and Mas)
5=   Bminchow, Leadbelly, Yellow_Knight   87  (Martin, Vlasov, Mas)
8=   Armchair_Cyclist, Del1962, Luthor, Scrool07   47 (Carapaz, Poels, Mas)
12   AmisVelo   44
13   Comodoro   42
14=   ArchieBoy, Vladimir   35
16=   BikeRacer33, Triley36   34
18=   BluesInTheBottle, Northerner   32
20   Fivezzz   22
21   SafeBet   19
22=   ChrisDK, Nakazar, Otoxiep87, RedheadDane, Search   17
27   Googolplex   15
28   Laarsland   10
29=   Kazistuta, Koronin, Mellow_Velo, Salvarani   7
   Collective_Wisdom   42

Several teams with Dan Martin overtake yesterday's leader, with Shalgo  the latest top of the pile.

1   Shalgo   236
2   LosBrolin   232
3   RoteLaterne   231
4   Yellow_Knight   221
5   BikeRacer33   178
6   BicycleBoy   167
7   Leadbelly   161
8   ArchieBoy   160
9   Bminchow   152
10   AmisVelo   118

Main game

Although the top GC guys are featuring, they are not changng their positions much.  The main differences today arose from Chaves' mechanical, and riders therefore passing him on GC.  Pinot becomes the first significant DNF, but the impact on the budget of his teams had already been felt.

MARTIN Daniel   115pts   7 teams
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix   47   2
MAS NICOLAU Enric   38   27
POELS Wout   31   7
CARTHY Hugh   30   1
NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel   14   1
KUSS Sepp   13   5
VLASOV Aleksandr   12   18
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio   10   14
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   10   6
---
PINOT Thibaut   -15   8
WELLENS Tim   -15   3
MOHORIC Matej   -19   1
BAGIOLI Andrea   -22   7
DUMOULIN Tom   -22   24
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   -105   2

1   LosBrolin   187
2   RoteLaterne   184
2   Shalgo   184
4   BicycleBoy   159
5   Yellow_Knight   155
6   Leadbelly   141
7   Bminchow   129
8   Fivezzz   95
9   AmisVelo   73
9   Luthor   73
11   BikeRacer33   62
12   Armchair_Cyclist   59
12   Scrool07   59
14   Search   56
15   RedheadDane   51
16   Comodoro   49
17   Googolplex   46
18   Del1962   44
19   ChrisDK   42
20   SafeBet   36
21   Koronin   33
22   Kazistuta   23
23   Otoxiep87   22
24   Triley36   19
25   ArchieBoy   18
26   Laarsland   16
27   Vladimir   8
28   Mellow_Velo   7
29   Northerner   -4
30   BluesInTheBottle   -8
31   Nakazar   -112
32   Salvarani   -132
   Collective_Wisdom   48


Standings
The leader yesterday was top scorer today, so that impressive early lead gets bigger.  Rote Laterne moves up to second.

1   LosBrolin   1848   0
2   RoteLaterne   1521   1
3   BikeRacer33   1411   -1
4   Shalgo   1328   1
5   Yellow_Knight   1289   1
6   Triley36   1247   -2
7   Bminchow   1231   0
8   Leadbelly   1178   2
9   BicycleBoy   1163   2
10   AmisVelo   1159   -2
11   Luthor   1123   -2
12   Comodoro   1016   1
13   Armchair_Cyclist   1014   1
13   Scrool07   1014   1
15   Del1962   999   -1
16   BluesInTheBottle   973   -4
17   Fivezzz   972   3
18   ArchieBoy   925   -1
19   Northerner   892   -1
20   SafeBet   810   2
21   Vladimir   779   2
22   Nakazar   775   -3
23   Salvarani   703   -2
24   Otoxiep87   699   0
25   Search   673   0
26   Kazistuta   632   0
27   ChrisDK   609   1
28   Koronin   604   -1
29   Laarsland   494   0
30   Mellow_Velo   444   0
31   RedheadDane   440   0
32   Googolplex   428   0
   Collective_Wisdom   1040   

Velorooms  914

CN   962
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 24, 2020, 13:44
Stage 4  Now it looks like week 1

Green points

Not many sprinters chosen in this edition: we may see something very similar a couple more times

1   Googolplex   70 (Bennett)
2=   Luthor, Otoxiep87   40 (Philipsen)
4   Kazistuta   17 (Thijsen and Moschetti)
5   Northerner   6 (Kanter and Cort)
6   Vladimir   5
7=   Armchair_Cyclist, Salvarani, Scrool07, Search, Triley36   1
12   The rest   0

Standings

Only Luthor from this stage's scorers appears at all, and only just

1   Shalgo   236
2   LosBrolin   232
3   RoteLaterne   231
4   Yellow_Knight   221
5   BikeRacer33   178
6   BicycleBoy   167
7   Leadbelly   161
8   ArchieBoy   160
9   Luthor   156
10   Bminchow   152


Main game

BENNETT Sam   77   1   
PHILIPSEN Jasper   40   2   
THIJSSEN Gerben   10   1   
MOSCHETTI Matteo   7   1   
KANTER Max   5   2
CORT NIELSEN Magnus   1   6
DUMOULIN Tom   1   24
---
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix   -1   2
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion   -1   4
KUSS Sepp   -1   5
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro   -1   4
CARTHY Hugh   -2   1
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban   -2   2


1   Googolplex   76
2   Luthor   41
2   Otoxiep87   41
4   Kazistuta   16
5   Northerner   7
6   Vladimir   6
7   Armchair_Cyclist   2
7   Scrool07   2
9   ArchieBoy   1
9   BluesInTheBottle   1
9   Bminchow   1
9   ChrisDK   1
9   Comodoro   1
9   Del1962   1
9   Mellow_Velo   1
9   Shalgo   1
9   Triley36   1
9   Yellow_Knight   1
19   BicycleBoy   0
19   Fivezzz   0
19   Leadbelly   0
19   SafeBet   0
19   Salvarani   0
19   Search   0
25   AmisVelo   -1
25   BikeRacer33   -1
25   Koronin   -1
25   Laarsland   -1
25   LosBrolin   -1
25   Nakazar   -1
25   RedheadDane   -1
25   RoteLaterne   -1
   Collective_Wisdom   1


Standings

Luthor moves up two places to 9th in both classifications.  Almost as ineffectual in the game as the Giro stage I have just updated, but doesn't annoy me in the same way.

1   LosBrolin   1847   0
2   RoteLaterne   1520   0
3   BikeRacer33   1410   0
4   Shalgo   1329   0
5   Yellow_Knight   1290   0
6   Triley36   1248   0
7   Bminchow   1232   0
8   Leadbelly   1178   0
9   Luthor   1164   2
10   BicycleBoy   1163   -1
11   AmisVelo   1158   -1
12   Comodoro   1017   0
13   Armchair_Cyclist   1016   0
13   Scrool07   1016   0
15   Del1962   1000   0
16   BluesInTheBottle   974   0
17   Fivezzz   972   0
18   ArchieBoy   926   0
19   Northerner   899   0
20   SafeBet   810   0
21   Vladimir   785   0
22   Nakazar   774   0
23   Otoxiep87   740   1
24   Salvarani   703   -1
25   Search   673   0
26   Kazistuta   648   0
27   ChrisDK   610   0
28   Koronin   603   0
29   Googolplex   504   3
30   Laarsland   493   -1
31   Mellow_Velo   445   -1
32   RedheadDane   439   -1
   Collective_Wisdom   1041   

Apologies in advance: I will be more concerned wih the other game tonight and tomorrow, but I should get an update done (and maybe not as late as this one)
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on November 18, 2020, 18:57
The temporary downing of Velorooms did not lead to a delay of the Vuelta, despite my requests to ASO.

If you didn't find all the results and tables at Cycling News as it was going on, then I will refer you to it rather than reformatting everything and putting it here: I'll just direct you to it (https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/2020-vuelta-cq-game.36427/).

Los Brolin won, Rote Laterne was second and the highest Velorooms entrant, and Velorooms completed a 3-0 whitewash of average scores in the GT games over CN: 1335 to 1283 this time.
Title: Re: 2020 Vuelta a Espana CQ game
Post by: rote_laterne on January 16, 2021, 21:26
Thank you for including me AC, after doing quite well I hope I'm still trusted.  ;)

Congratulations to Los Brolin, thanks you AC for putting this together and all participants for making following races more interesting.