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Title: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 03, 2021, 23:56
We all sit down to watch a race with ideas about who we think or hope will win it, and we look at a new season or a transfer with a view to what will transpire over the next few months.


The challenge here is to look not just a few hours or months ahead, but up to three years: to assume the role, not of the director of a major team who can buy proven talent with short term goals, but that of the leader of a minor team who can identify up and coming talent who might become great in a few years time.  But you don't want their progression to be too slow, you need results within three years.


In recent years, we have had two Tour de France winners, a Giro winner, a World champion (TT) and a Road Race bronze medallist, and many WT race winners while in the three year period they were eligible for past editions of the game.

So who will take a place among the major contenders in the sport by the end of the 2023 season?  That is your challenge.

For the Emerging Riders game you need to select a team of 18 male riders, who can be of any age, but each must have a lifetime total of fewer than 200 CQ points (not 200: fewer than).  There is no upper limit for the team, although logically, it must be no more than 18x199.    Their score will be the points they accumulate between 1st Jan 2021 and 31 December 2023, as awarded by CQ.

There are of course, untold thousands of riders who are eligible: even I am, but don't take that as a recommendation or an insight into my selection. I have put together a very long list of riders (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1299Jgo0qJZKcCu2o0AE4jtRfMHWb6JR0/view?usp=sharing) who have scored CQ points (or are on a WorldTeam or ProTeam squad) in the last three years without reaching 200: it also has a warnings list of those who have passed the threshold in 2020, who you might have thought would still be eligible but are not.  I will identify those eligible for this among riders selected for the main annual CQ game when that list is available.


A past ban does not necessarily disqualify a rider from selection, but any points that they had been awarded and have been struck will be considered still in place when considering whether they are eligible for the game.   If a rider is banned during the game, then his points will be removed only when CQ remove them from his record.  In practice, this tends to be a very slow process (as I know to my cost: I would have won the 2016-18 edition if they had been faster to remove Jaime Roson's points).


Entries should be sent to me by PM on either Cycling News forum or Velorooms by the end of January: if any races do take place before then, I am confident that they will be pretty insignificant in the overall course of the game.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 12, 2021, 12:06
Sorry it has taken a while to set up the proper launch. My team has been sent to Comodoro, who has already sent in his team. Ready for all your entries now.

Any questions or clarifications? Let me know.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on January 12, 2021, 12:55
Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 03, 2021, 23:56
Entries should be sent to me by PM on either Cycling News forum or Velonews by the end of January.

Velonews? :P
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 12, 2021, 16:27
Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 03, 2021, 23:56


A past ban does not necessarily disqualify a rider from selection, but any points that they had been awarded and have been struck will be considered still in place when considering whether they are eligible for the game.   If a rider is banned during the game, then his points will be removed only when CQ remove them from his record.  In practice, this tends to be a very slow process (as I know to my cost: I would have won the 2016-18 edition if they had been faster to remove Jaime Roson's points).



I think you could change this rule. Because nowadays, CQR doesn't erase the results of the dopers, only puts a rider comment below.


Rosón for example, still has his points: https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=21791

But the comment below, acting as a desclaimer, says:
Quote
In June 2018 the UCI advised Jaime ROSON of anomalies in his biological passport data of January 2017. He was suspended by the UCI for 4 years, until 26 June 2022, and he loses all his results in 2017 and 2018.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on January 12, 2021, 17:02
I decided finally to abandon my CT or lower rule for this year at least. Seeing how things are going currently, it could be next year as well....

6 WT
7 PCT
4 CT
1 Club

Still should be fairly low on the popularity scales and still should be dragging the VR average down.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 12, 2021, 18:18
My team was made a couple of months ago and is awaiting to be sent. Maybe I'll give it a further examination, as I remember that I found very difficult to make the decisions this year, with a lot of 1st and 2nd year WT riders still elegible becouse of the covid and the reduced calendar.

By now, the team is composed by 13 riders from WT, 2 from PT and 3 from CT.

Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 12, 2021, 19:29
Quote from: Leadbelly on January 12, 2021, 12:55
Velonews? :P
Oops.  :flustered  :slow   :o
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 16, 2021, 19:29
Quote from: Cordi on January 12, 2021, 18:18
My team was made a couple of months ago and is awaiting to be sent. Maybe I'll give it a further examination, as I remember that I found very difficult to make the decisions this year, with a lot of 1st and 2nd year WT riders still elegible becouse of the covid and the reduced calendar.

By now, the team is composed by 13 riders from WT, 2 from PT and 3 from CT.


Team sent. Finally I decided to bet on the 18 riders I decided 2 months ago.

Let's complete the statistics:

1997: 1
1998: 6
1999: 3
2000: 2
2001: 3
2002: 3


4  *uk
3  *nl
3  *co
2  *usa
2  *be
2  *es
1  *it
1  *de


Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on January 16, 2021, 21:59
 *nl 4
 *it 4
 *fr 3
 *usa 2
 *ch 1
*de 1
*uk 1
 *es 1
 *be 1

WT 13
PCT 2
CT 2
Club 1

1997 1
1998 4
1999 4
2000 1
2001 5
2002 3
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 17, 2021, 10:51
I believe there was a problem with the settings on Google Drive, and the link did not necessarily give access to the list of eligible riders.  I hope that it is now resolved, and that this  (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1299Jgo0qJZKcCu2o0AE4jtRfMHWb6JR0/view?usp=sharing) works.  Perhaps someone would confirm whether it does.

Edit: I have changed the link again since, after CN users reported that it was still a broken link.  Seems OK now, but let me know if it isn't.

Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on January 17, 2021, 11:53
Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 17, 2021, 10:51
Perhaps someone would confirm whether it does.
It works for me.
I can't scroll through it with my mouse wheel or the arrow keys, but I can see the list and scroll through it using the bar at the right.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 17, 2021, 15:21
You probably need to download it to get full usability, but I have changed the link since you wrote, so that might work better.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 27, 2021, 11:48
I have clarified the OP: the 199 point upper limit is for each rider, not for the whole team.  Two teams recently looked as though they had tried to make a lifetime total for all 18 riders cumulatively of less than 200: that is not necessary (as both managers in question clearly realised last year!)

4 1/2 days left: don't miss out.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 30, 2021, 00:48
So far:

24 teams in, 107 different riders tipped to be achievers by 2023 in a way that they are not yet.


Of those 107, 48 are only on one team, while 2 are tied as the most popular on 18 of the 24 teams.


So far, only 6 of the entries will be part of Team Velorooms in the battle of the forums: more good scorers might be needed to counteract Leadbelly's wilfully obscure selection.  Velorooms hasn't lost a game since I started this sideshow to the main individual challenge,so there is a record to defend.

Don't miss out...
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 30, 2021, 01:42
Now that Skidmark has released the main CQ  list, I can present what Vladimir has described on CN forum as the cheat list: those who have been picked for the main game, and are also eligible for this one.  So if you are stuck, simply choose any 18 names from this list: you will know that at least one other person thinks they were worth a punt.


Of the 94 names here, 65 have been selected among the 24 teams already in for the Emerging Riders game.  That means that there are 29 on this list that could be your game making unique pick. 


It also means that there are 37 riders who have already been picked for the three year game, but who nobody considered worth a place on their team when only looking at one year. Including 6 riders who are on more than 2 Emerging Rider teams already, and one of them is on seven out of twenty four Emerging Rider teams, but none of the ninety one Main game teams.  That'll have you guessing as to who it is.


I'll put this list in the longlist doc as I said I would, but it isn't desperately long: I'll put it here for greater ease.

And, of course, these are the CQ versions of names that will earn you my eternal gratitude:

ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARCHIBALD John
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
ARROYAVE CAÑAS Daniel
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BALMER Alexandre
BEN MOSHE Yuval
BERWICK Sebastian
BOUCEK Jakub
BRENNER Marco
BROWN Connor
BRUNEL Alexys
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CAMPOS LUCENA Roniel
CARVALHO Andre Rodrigues
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
CHAMPION Thomas
COLLEONI Kevin
COVI Alessandro
CULLAIGH Gabriel
DE PLUS Jasper
DEKKER David
DELACROIX Théo
DLAMINI Nicholas
DONOVAN Mark
EGHOLM Jakob
ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo
EVANS Alexander
FANCELLU Alessandro
GALL Felix
GARCIA PIERNA Raul
GARRISON Ian
GOLDSTEIN Edo
GONZALEZ RIVERA Abner
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
HERREGODTS Rune
JACOBS Johan
JONES Taj
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
LEEMREIZE Gijs
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
MARIT Arne
MÄRKL Niklas
MENDEZ NOREÑA Daniel Alejandro
MILAN Jonathan
MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo
OLDANI Stefano
OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
PAJUR Markus
PALZER Anton
PEAK Barnabas
PEÑALVER ANIORTE Manuel
PICCOLO Andrea
PLAPP Lucas
PRODHOMME Nicolas
QUINN Sean
RENARD Alexis
REPA Vojtech
REYNDERS Jens
RIES Michel
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
ROMO OLIVER Javier
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SAEZ BENITO Hector
SCOTSON Callum
SHEFFIELD Magnus
SILLANKORVA Jaakko
STORK Florian
SWEENY Harrison
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TIBERI Antonio
TULETT Ben
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VACEK Karel
VACEK Mathias
VAN GILS Maxim
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERSCHAEVE Viktor
VERVLOESEM Xandres
VIGO DEL ARCO Marti
VIVIANI Attilio
WALLS Matthew
WANDAHL Frederik
WEEMAES Sasha
WILLIAMS Stephen
WRIGHT Fred
ZOCCARATO Samuele
ZWIEHOFF Ben


Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 31, 2021, 12:10
We are up to 30 teams now: it would still be good to have a last minute rush.  I think/hope I have acknowledged receipt of all teams: if you sent me a team and I haven't replied, let me know.


I said end of January as a deadline, without being precise about which timezone.  I believe the legal principle is that where there is ambiguity, the more generous interpretation is to be applied, so I guess that is midnight tonight in Hawaii or somewhere (Do we have any contributors in Samoa?).


So in effect you have until I get a chance to attend to it mid-morning UK time on Monday.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 01, 2021, 12:58
So here we go

OK, I think all inhabited zones of the planet have now reached the end of January.


36 teams in, which is about the level of participation this game has usually had.  Great to welcome some new managers: always a pity to see some of the regulars not submit a team, but hopefully we will see them again.


There was only one ineligible rider nominated, and that was my fault (I had missed CQ's change if Debesay's forename from Yacob to Yakob, and so had omitted his 2018 points from my cumulative total, and erroneously listed him as eligible: thanks to the manager involved for amending his team quickly and with good grace): a couple of strange autotranslations, and a few misspellings and missing second surnames, but they were easily sorted.  The two managers who imposed unnecessary restrictions on their selections both submitted more competitive second squads.


On those 36 teams we have 120 different riders: they can't all become superstars by the end of 2023, but hopefully some of them will have some impressive results over the three years.


So who has whom:

Amis Velo
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KONYCHEV Alexander   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   MORIN Emmanuel   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   WALLS Matthew   


Armchair Cyclist
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BRENNER Marco   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   CONCA Filippo   *
   DINA Marton   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   KONYCHEV Alexander   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   RIES Michel   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   VACEK Karel   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   ZUKOWSKY Nickolas   *


Blues in the Bottle
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   COVI Alessandro   
   CULLAIGH Gabriel   
   DEKKER David   
   GARRISON Ian   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   
   WILLIAMS Stephen   *
   WRIGHT Fred   


Bminchow
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   ARROYAVE CAÑAS Daniel   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   


Comodoro
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BALLERSTEDT Maurice   *
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   CARR Simon   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   DEKKER David   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   LOPEZ GRANIZO Harold Martin   
   MÄRKL Niklas   *
   MONIQUET Sylvain   *
   QUINN Sean   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   
   WALLS Matthew   


Cordi
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   CARR Simon   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   SCHELLING Ide   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TULETT Ben   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   WALLS Matthew   


Fivezzz
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   GARRISON Ian   
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   MORIN Emmanuel   
   OLDANI Stefano   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   ZWIEHOFF Ben   


Greenedge
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago   
   CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander   
   DEKKER David   
   GARRISON Ian   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   MORIN Emmanuel   
   OLDANI Stefano   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   WRIGHT Fred   


Hugo Koblet
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   PALZER Anton   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   


Jakob747
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BERWICK Sebastian   
   CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   FANCELLU Alessandro   *
   FISHER-BLACK Finn   
   GALVIS ATEHORTUA Oscar Duvian   *
   GOMEZ BECERRA German Dario   *
   HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   LOPEZ GRANIZO Harold Martin   
   MERCHAN CARDONA Didier Norberto   *
   OBANDO Brayan   *
   PLAPP Lucas   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STRONG Corbin   
   TULETT Ben   


Jon Ezeitza
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   GOOSSENS Kobe   
   JACOBS Johan   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   OLDANI Stefano   
   SCHELLING Ide   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   WALLS Matthew   


Josedin
   ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago   
   CHAMPION Thomas   
   DEKKER David   
   KUBIS Lukas   *
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PALZER Anton   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SWEENY Harrison   *
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VIGO DEL ARCO Marti   
   VIVIANI Attilio   *
   WALLS Matthew   
   ZWIEHOFF Ben   


JPettersen
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BURGAUDEAU Mathieu   *
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   DEKKER David   
   GARRISON Ian   
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   OLDANI Stefano   
   SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias   *
   SLEEN Torjus   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   WANDAHL Frederik   


Karaev
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BERWICK Sebastian   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DEKKER David   
   GARRISON Ian   
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   HERREGODTS Rune   
   HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   WALLS Matthew   
   WEEMAES Sasha   


Kazistuta
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   ARROYAVE CAÑAS Daniel   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   JONES Taj   *
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KONYCHEV Alexander   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   OLDANI Stefano   
   SCHELLING Ide   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   


Koronin
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   BALLESTEROS CANOVAS Miguel Angel   *
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   CULLAIGH Gabriel   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo   
   GARRISON Ian   
   GONZALEZ RIVERA Abner   
   GUGLIELMI Simon   *
   HOLLMANN Juri   *
   JACOBS Johan   
   LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo   *
   PEÑALVER ANIORTE Manuel   *
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   


Kryvo
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro   
   RIES Michel   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VIGO DEL ARCO Marti   


Laarsland
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ÄRM Rait   *
   BRUSSENSKIY Gleb   
   BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   HESSMANN Michel   *
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   *
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   LUND ANDRESEN Tobias   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   OLDANI Stefano   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Leadbelly
   BAYER Tobias   *
   BERWICK Sebastian   
   BOUCEK Jakub   *
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   DE LIE Arnaud   *
   EINHORN Itamar   *
   GARCIA PIERNA Raul   *
   HUYS Laurens   *
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   REPA Vojtech   
   REYNDERS Jens   *
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STRONG Corbin   
   TULETT Ben   
   ZWIEHOFF Ben   


Los Brolin
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   LUND ANDRESEN Tobias   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VACEK Mathias   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Ludwigzgz
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   CARR Simon   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TULETT Ben   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   WALLS Matthew   
   ZWIEHOFF Ben   


LukasCPH
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   BRENNER Marco   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DINA Marton   
   GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando   *
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   HULGAARD Morten   *
   INKELAAR Kevin   *
   KOOIJ Olav   
   LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro   
   OLDANI Stefano   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   SLEEN Torjus   
   TRAEEN Torstein   *
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   ZWIEHOFF Ben   


Madrazo
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   CARR Simon   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VIGO DEL ARCO Marti   
   WEEMAES Sasha   


Muddy Waters
   ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego   
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo   
   FISHER-BLACK Finn   
   KONYCHEV Alexander   
   LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro   
   PEAK Barnabas   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TULETT Ben   
   VACEK Karel   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Nakazar
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DEKKER David   
   FISHER-BLACK Finn   
   JACOBS Johan   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   


Northerner
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   DEKKER David   
   JACOBS Johan   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   

Nyssinator
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   GARRISON Ian   
   JACOBS Johan   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   OLDANI Stefano   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   WALLS Matthew   


Otoxiep87
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   DEKKER David   
   GOOSSENS Kobe   
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   SCHELLING Ide   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   


Ray10
   ASKEY Lewis   *
   BRENNER Marco   
   BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DRIZNERS Jarrad   *
   FISHER-BLACK Finn   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PRODHOMME Nicolas   *
   QUINN Sean   
   REPA Vojtech   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   WALLS Matthew   


Rote Laterne
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   CHAMPION Thomas   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   JACOBS Johan   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   PARET-PEINTRE Valentin   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   SCHELLING Ide   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TULETT Ben   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   


Rufs
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COLNAGHI Luca   *
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   GOOSSENS Kobe   
   HERREGODTS Rune   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   
   WALLS Matthew   
   WRIGHT Fred   


SafeBet
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   SCHELLING Ide   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TULETT Ben   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   


Scrooll07
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUNEL Alexys   
   CARR Simon   
   DEKKER David   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   GONZALEZ RIVERA Abner   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   
   WALLS Matthew   
   WANDAHL Frederik   


Skidmark
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BERWICK Sebastian   
   BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   CARR Simon   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   GALVAN FERNANDEZ Francisco   *
   JACOBS Johan   
   KONYCHEV Alexander   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   OLDANI Stefano   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TULETT Ben   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   


Vladimir
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   APERS Ruben   *
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUSSENSKIY Gleb   
   FISHER-BLACK Finn   
   HÄNNINEN Jaakko   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   MAYRHOFER Marius   *
   MILAN Jonathan   
   MURGUIALDAY ELORZA Jokin   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   ZAMBANINI Edoardo   *


Yellow Knight
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BERWICK Sebastian   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COLLEONI Kevin   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   KOOIJ Olav   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VACEK Mathias   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   
   ZWIEHOFF Ben   

The * asterisk indicates unique picks.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 01, 2021, 14:08
Rider popularity
A three way tie for the most popular rider (I don't think we have seen that before): Brenner had an early lead, Arensman caught up and the lead changed quite a bit as teams came in: Kooij was on enough late teams that omitted one or both of those to catch up very late in the process.

28 of 36 teams:  ARENSMAN Thymen, BRENNER Marco, KOOIJ Olav
24:  DEKKER David, VAN WILDER Ilan
22:  VANSEVENANT Mauri
21:  ALEOTTI Giovanni
20:  TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
18:  CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres, COVI Alessandro
17:  JORGENSON Matteo
15:  DONOVAN Mark
14:  AYUSO PESQUERA Juan, TIBERI Antonio, VERMAERKE Kevin
13:  ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo, RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
12:  RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
And the 18 riders on a dozen or more teams comprise to Collective Wisdom team
11:  COLLEONI Kevin, SHEFFIELD Magnus, WALLS Matthew
10:  BRUNEL Alexys, HÄNNINEN Jaakko, MILAN Jonathan, VANDENABEELE Henri, VERVLOESEM Xandres
9:  OLDANI Stefano, UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
8:  PICCOLO Andrea, TULETT Ben
7:  GARRISON Ian, JACOBS Johan, ROMO OLIVER Javier, VAN GILS Maxim
6:  BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago, CARR Simon, SCHELLING Ide, ZWIEHOFF Ben
5:  BERWICK Sebastian, FISHER-BLACK Finn, KONYCHEV Alexander
4:  LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro, PLAPP Lucas
3:  CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander, GOOSSENS Kobe, LEEMREIZE Gijs, MORIN Emmanuel, VIGO DEL ARCO Marti, WRIGHT Fred
2:  ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego, ARROYAVE CAÑAS Daniel, BRUSSENSKIY Gleb, CHAMPION Thomas, CHARMIG Anthon, CULLAIGH Gabriel, DINA Marton, ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo, GONZALEZ RIVERA Abner, HERREGODTS Rune, HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob, LOPEZ GRANIZO Harold Martin, LUND ANDRESEN Tobias, PALZER Anton, QUINN Sean, REPA Vojtech, RIES Michel, SLEEN Torjus, STRONG Corbin, VACEK Karel, VACEK Mathias, WAERENSKJOLD Søren, WANDAHL Frederik, WEEMAES Sasha

And there should be 47 asterisked unique picks in the list above this one.

I think the Vaceks are only the second pair of brothers to be in an edition of the game: I doubt they will score as well as the Yates, but I hope they are not total failures as I have one of them.  We also have younger siblings of the Viviani, Paret-Peintre and Garrison families represented.

All of Lucas Plapp's selections came after his Wilunga Hill exploits, though he got no points for that as it was a national series level race.  Although a few other points have been gained before entries closed (I will hope to do the first points posting this evening, household duties permitting), I didn't notice them creating any surge in naming anyone.

Popularity ranking
Totalling up those popularity scores for each team, we get

Team Popularity points unique picks
1      Bminchow      321      0
2      HugoKoblet      310      0
3      AmisVelo      309      0
4      Madrazo      300      0
5      Northerner      296      0
6      Nyssinator      294      0
7      Otoxiep87      291      0
8      Nakazar      290      0
9      Fivezzz      288      0
9      SafeBet      288      0
11      Cordi      287      0
11      Kazistuta      287      1
13      JonEzeitza      284      0
14      Ludwigzgz      278      0
15      Kryvo      271      0
16      RoteLaterne      269      1
17      Rufs      268      1
18      Karaev      265      0
19      YellowKnight      256      0
20      Scrooll07      254      0
21      JPettersen      246      2
22      Greenedge      240      0
23      LosBrolin      238      0
24      Blues_in_the_Bottle      235      1
25      Skidmark      226      1
26      Armchair_Cyclist      218      2
27      Comodoro      217      3
28      LukasCPH      214      4
28      Ray10      214      3
28      Vladimir      214      4
31      Laarsland      199      3
32      MuddyWaters      188      1
33      Josedin      155      3
34      Jakob747      120      5
35      Koronin      117      5
36      Leadbelly      108      7
      CollectiveWisdom      343      0
      CollectiveIgnorance      0      18
      MainGame2021      310      0

Bminchow (who virtually swept the board in CQ games in 2020) complained that he had no idea how to go about picking a team for this one (his first time here), and then sent in a team that tops the popularity table.

Other than the Collective Wisdom team described above, there is as previously a Collective Ignorance team, which will constantly change its make-up through the game as the best 18 riders that we could have had but all overlooked: expect that team to be far and away the best team early on, and finally to finish around mid-table.
You will notice another non-manager picked team: I have pooled together the riders eligible for this who were most frequently chosen in the 2021 season CQ game just to see how they do.  All of them are fairly popular in this game, but 4 of them did not make the Collective Wisdom team.  It would reflect well on those in the main game if this group scores very well in year 1, and well on those in this game if it then drops a bit in the table, at least below Collective Wisdom, thereafter.

I need to go out now: will probably come up with a few more numbers later.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 01, 2021, 18:41
I have taken pity on Squire, a stalwart of these games, over at CN.  He makes a late entry at 4th in the popularity table, and puts Amis Velo above Hakkie for 2nd.  His selection doesn't change the  Collective Wisdom squad, or the three way tie at the top, but does remove Asbjorn Hellemose from eligibility for the Collective Ignorance team.

Squire
   ALEOTTI Giovanni   
   ARENSMAN Thymen   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BERWICK Sebastian   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   COVI Alessandro   
   DEKKER David   
   DONOVAN Mark   
   HELLEMOSE Asbjørn   *
   KOOIJ Olav   
   RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   VAN WILDER Ilan   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   WALLS Matthew   
   WEEMAES Sasha   
   ZWIEHOFF Ben   
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on February 01, 2021, 18:57
I'd just like to point out that my team (with Corbin Strong) was submitted before the NZCC took place. :P

Not expecting too many more points off him this year, what with the Olympics and all, but fingers crossed he secures a good contract in 2022.

Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on February 01, 2021, 12:58

Rufs

   COLNAGHI Luca   *

The * asterisk indicates unique picks.

Sorry Rufs, but there is a very good reason he was not picked by more people. :-x
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on February 01, 2021, 19:48
In this game I developed a rule, that is to only sign riders with a pro contract in a team with good calendar (wich could be for next year as Vandenabeele for example). Why? Because no matter how good you are, you're only going to score big goals when you get to play in the big leagues. I make some exceptions with riders I'm pretty confident will get soon a WT contract (like Brenner last year) and/or with riders I see as massive talents (as Sheffield this year).

I learned the lesson picking too early riders that underscored mostly because they were at low level races or because were not ready yet (example: taking Vacek when he was just out of junior category, switching him for Higuita at the last second  :-x).

...

Anyway, that's why Plapp show in this year reduced Down Under doesn't change the things. I'm following him since 2018, but until he get a contract I won't consider him. Same issues for example with Walls, who I take this year and not last year because of WT contract. I like to be able to finally make in my team a spot for riders I've been following for a long time, like for example this year Simon Carr. Usually I take them when they're almost zero pointers to complete my team in a very good game that is in the spanish forum Parlamento named "CQ Ranking" and I become kind of a fan and follow their progress next years. I recomend you that game if you want to try a new one and you're not afraid to be bidding for riders and trashtaling in spanish  :D

----

I'm writing too much, I know... Just to end it, I wanna add that the rider I've been tempted to add to my team in the last moment is Umba, who was impressive in Táchira as a 1st year u23. Savio knows... But last editions, last minute changes didn't treat me well, so this time I decided to not touch the team.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on February 01, 2021, 19:56
Did you not enter the main CQ game cordi? I couldn't see your name, but maybe you entered under an alias.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on February 01, 2021, 20:55
Always nice to have a unique pick. I hope he follows his brothers steps. ;)

I'm curious about Vansevenant. Never good to leave a Quickstepper out (I did not learn my lesson about Evenepoel) but I did not find a spot for him although I probably picked some of the young guys a year to early.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on February 01, 2021, 21:36
Quote from: Leadbelly on February 01, 2021, 19:56
Did you not enter the main CQ game cordi? I couldn't see your name, but maybe you entered under an alias.

No, finally I didn't.
I wanted to, but end january was busy with exams in the university and didn't find the time to do it like I like, with pause and thinking well my picks.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on February 01, 2021, 21:41
Quote from: rote_laterne on February 01, 2021, 20:55
Always nice to have a unique pick. I hope he follows his brothers steps. ;)

I'm curious about Vansevenant. Never good to leave a Quickstepper out (I did not learn my lesson about Evenepoel) but I did not find a spot for him although I probably picked some of the young guys a year to early.


Yep, this year was a hard one to make the team. In my case, while making my team back in december, I did also a B team that looks this strong (eventually could beat my A team  :lol)

Kevin Vermaerke   Sunweb
Johan Jacobs      Movistar
Juanpe Lopez      Trek
Mauri Vansevenant   Deceuninck
Camilo Ardila      UAE
Antonio Tiberi      Trek
Andrea Piccolo      Astana
Kevin Colleoni      Mitchelton
Giovanni Aleotti      Bora
Jonathan Milan      Bahrain
Jaako Hanninen      Ag2r
Santiago Buitrago   Bahrain
Alexys Brunel      Groupama
Ian Garrison      Deceuninck
Stefano Oldani      Lotto
David Dekker      Jumbo
Michel Ries      Trek
Kevin Inkelaar      Bahrain  -> altought after january I would put in his place Santiago Umba (Androni)
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 02, 2021, 14:30
With the inclusion of Squire, and correction of a mistake that I had made on Madrazo, here is the corrected popularity table.

Team Popularity points unique picks riders of CW
1      Bminchow      334      0      15
2      AmisVelo      322      0      13
3      HugoKoblet      320      0      13
4      Madrazo      316      0      13
5      Squire      314      1      13
6      Northerner      305      0      11
7      Nyssinator      304      0      11
8      Otoxiep87      300      0      11
9      Fivezzz      299      0      12
9      Nakazar      299      0      11
11      Cordi      298      0      12
12      SafeBet      297      0      13
13      Kazistuta      296      1      12
14      JonEzeitza      294      0      10
15      Ludwigzgz      289      0      11
16      Kryvo      279      0      11
17      Rufs      278      1      11
18      RoteLaterne      277      1      10
19      Karaev      276      0      9
20      YellowKnight      264      0      11
21      Scrooll07      262      0      10
22      JPettersen      255      2      10
23      Greenedge      247      0      9
24      LosBrolin      244      0      8
25      Blues_in_the_Bottle      242      1      10
26      Skidmark      233      1      7
27      Armchair_Cyclist      225      2      8
28      Comodoro      224      3      7
29      LukasCPH      223      4      8
30      Ray10      221      3      8
31      Vladimir      219      4      8
32      Laarsland      203      3      7
33      MuddyWaters      193      1      8
34      Josedin      161      3      4
35      Jakob747      124      5      3
36      Koronin      120      5      5
37      Leadbelly      111      7      3
      CollectiveWisdom      356      0      18
      CollectiveIgnorance      0      18      0
      MainGame2021      322      0      14

That last column is the hint that I have set up a team similarity tab.  Other than Bminchow's 15 man overlap with the Collective Wisdom team, the highest correlations are:

14 riders in common:  Cordi-Ludwigzgz
13: Amis Velo-Squire
Bminchow-Squire
Jon Ezietza-Nyssinator
Madrazo-Squire
Nakazar-Northern
and the 5 teams noted above who share 13 of the Collective Wisdom list.



Pre-game points

Each rider is allowed 199 points and still be permitted in the game, so in theory a team could legitimately have 3582 points.  These numbers mean very little, but maybe show the propensity of a manager to go for riders who have already shown themselves in the pro ranks a bit, or conversely, whether they are willing to invest in riders who might only come through in years 2 and 3.
1 LukasCPH 2446
2      Fivezzz      2115
3      JonEzeitza      2112
4      Nyssinator      1920
5      AmisVelo      1898
6      Otoxiep87      1873
7      Armchair_Cyclist      1857
8      Kazistuta      1793
9      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1751
10      Karaev      1731
11      Squire      1728
12      Greenedge      1721
13      Madrazo      1680
13      JPettersen      1680
15      Kryvo      1672
16      Bminchow      1577
17      Skidmark      1553
18      Cordi      1520
19      Rufs      1496
20      Koronin      1479
21      RoteLaterne      1451
22      SafeBet      1416
23      Northerner      1389
24      Laarsland      1380
25      Scrooll07      1337
26      Comodoro      1315
27      HugoKoblet      1295
28      Nakazar      1218
29      MuddyWaters      1193
30      Ludwigzgz      1145
31      Ray10      1142
32      Vladimir      999
33      YellowKnight      954
34      Josedin      953
35      Leadbelly      952
36      Jakob747      907
37      LosBrolin      708
      CollectiveWisdom      1547
      CollectiveIgnorance      n/a
      MainGame2021      1506
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 02, 2021, 16:06
Year 1, month 1 to 31 January 2021

Because all the entry stats are meaningless unless they get some race points

Rider Points Teams source
STRONG Corbin      37      2 GC win and stage pts in NZ Cycle Classic and 5th in Gravel & Tar
GALVAN FERNANDEZ Francisco      36      1 4th in La Marseillaise
FISHER-BLACK Finn      32      5GC 2nd and stage pts in NZ Cycle Classic and 4th in Gravel & Tar
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago      12      9 4th on GC and stage podium in Tachira

Standings
1 Jakob747 69
2      Skidmark      48
3      Nakazar      44
3      Vladimir      44
5      Leadbelly      37
6      MuddyWaters      32
6      Ray10      32
8      Greenedge      12
8      Josedin      12
8      LosBrolin      12
8      Ludwigzgz      12
8      Madrazo      12
8      SafeBet      12
14      the rest      0
      CollectiveWisdom      0
      CollectiveIgnorance      217
This is probably just jostling for a place in the breakaway on stage one of a GT: it will be a while before we see who the main challengers will be. 

Spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16_vrsSgoWrAk-qyhQXRmRFYKMNADkyTj/view?usp=sharing)

Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on February 03, 2021, 09:14
Luke Plapp won the Aussie ITT champs, giving him his first 50 points.

I consciously decided not to pick him because I thought he wouldn't be able to scrape together 200 points on the Oceania Tour calendar, and lockdown/quarantine + Tokyo would keep him out of the European peloton for 2021, still leaving him eligible next year.
But now ... I don't know. :-x
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on February 03, 2021, 10:01
Quote from: LukasCPH on February 03, 2021, 09:14
Luke Plapp won the Aussie ITT champs, giving him his first 50 points.

I consciously decided not to pick him because I thought he wouldn't be able to scrape together 200 points on the Oceania Tour calendar, and lockdown/quarantine + Tokyo would keep him out of the European peloton for 2021, still leaving him eligible next year.
But now ... I don't know. :-x

Well, that confirms it. 2022 WT rider no doubt. Looks like a must for 22-24 if he doesn't make 200 points this year.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 03, 2021, 10:04
I forgot to post the opening scores in the most important element of the game:

CN Crew  11.8   ;  Team VeloRooms  6.1


CN Crew:
Blues_in_the_Bottle
Bminchow
Comodoro
Fivezzz
Greenedge
HugoKoblet
Jakob747
JonEzeitza
Jpettersen
Karaev
Kazistuta
Koronin
Kryvo
Laarsland
LosBrolin
Ludwigzgz
Madrazo
MuddyWaters
Nakazar
Northerner
Nyssinator
Ray10
Rufs
SafeBet
Skidmark
Squire
Vladimir
YellowKnight

Team VeloRooms:
AmisVelo
Cordi
Josedin
Leadbelly
LukasCPH
Otoxiep87
RoteLaterne
Scrooll07

Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on February 03, 2021, 13:34
Quote from: Cordi on February 03, 2021, 10:01
Well, that confirms it. 2022 WT rider no doubt. Looks like a must for 22-24 if he doesn't make 200 points this year.
Oh, definitely.
My worry now is that he'll get snapped up during 2021 already and score 200+ points for his new team without even trying very hard. :(
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on February 03, 2021, 18:16
Quote from: LukasCPH on February 03, 2021, 13:34
Oh, definitely.
My worry now is that he'll get snapped up during 2021 already and score 200+ points for his new team without even trying very hard. :(

As far as I know, he continues in the same team as last years.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on February 05, 2021, 00:29
Quote from: Cordi on February 03, 2021, 18:16
As far as I know, he continues in the same team as last years.
For now ...
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on February 05, 2021, 05:32
Quote from: Leadbelly on February 01, 2021, 18:57
Sorry Rufs, but there is a very good reason he was not picked by more people. :-x

Rufs just got lucky.

https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/1357440088100245505

Still, he missed out on a contract with a pro team because of it.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on February 26, 2021, 20:57
Quote from: Cordi on February 01, 2021, 21:41

Yep, this year was a hard one to make the team. In my case, while making my team back in december, I did also a B team that looks this strong (eventually could beat my A team  :lol)

Kevin Vermaerke   Sunweb
Johan Jacobs      Movistar
Juanpe Lopez      Trek
Mauri Vansevenant   Deceuninck
Camilo Ardila      UAE
Antonio Tiberi      Trek
Andrea Piccolo      Astana
Kevin Colleoni      Mitchelton
Giovanni Aleotti      Bora
Jonathan Milan      Bahrain
Jaako Hanninen      Ag2r
Santiago Buitrago   Bahrain
Alexys Brunel      Groupama
Ian Garrison      Deceuninck
Stefano Oldani      Lotto
David Dekker      Jumbo
Michel Ries      Trek
Kevin Inkelaar      Bahrain  -> altought after january I would put in his place Santiago Umba (Androni)


This is also quite a team.
Yes, Umba looks like an interesting pick.
And leaving out Vansevenant looks like a fault.
 
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 03, 2021, 19:31
Year 1, month 2 February 2021

Maybe this cohort will have a relatively unaffected run at their three seasons in the game.

Rider Pts this month Teams Source
SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias      80      1 (JPettersen)   6th in UAE   
PLAPP Lucas      79      4      National Champs (TT winner)
DEKKER David      78      25      two 2nds and a 4th an green jersey in UAE
VANSEVENANT Mauri      50      23      8th in Provence
CULLAIGH Gabriel      40      2 (Blues in the Bottle & Koronin)      7th in Almeira
FISHER-BLACK Finn      30      5      National champs TT win
SCHELLING Ide      30      6      11th in KBK + others
CARR Simon      23      6      
BERWICK Sebastian      22      6      
JORGENSON Matteo      22      17      
OLDANI Stefano      22      9      
TULETT Ben      22      8   

Rank this month Pts this month Main scorers
1      Greenedge   294   Plapp/Dekker/Vansevenant/Oldani/Jorgensen
2      Nyssinator      281      Plapp/Dekker/Vansevenant/Oldani
3      JPettersen      262   Skjelmose/Dekker/Vansevenant/Oldani   
3      SafeBet      262      Plapp/Dekker/Schelling/Tulett/Jorgensen
5      JonEzeitza      256      Dekker/Vansevenant/Schelling/Oldani/Jorgensen
6      Kazistuta      234      
7      Scrooll07      222      
8      Blues_in_the_Bottle      221      
9      Nakazar      217      
10      Fivezzz      215      
11      Madrazo      202      
12      Skidmark      199      
12      Squire      199      
14      Northerner      191      
15      Karaev      190      
16      AmisVelo      187      
17      Bminchow      186      
18      Ray10      182      
19      Otoxiep87      181      
19      RoteLaterne      181      
21      Comodoro      174      
21      LukasCPH      174      
23      Jakob747      173      
24      HugoKoblet      170      
25      Josedin      167      
26      Cordi      148      
27      Laarsland      139      
28      MuddyWaters      133      
29      Rufs      128      
30      Leadbelly      112      
31      Ludwigzgz      105      
32      YellowKnight      104      
33      Koronin      96      
34      Armchair_Cyclist      95      
35      Vladimir      84      
36      Kryvo      77      
37      LosBrolin      31      
      CollectiveWisdom      208      
      CollectiveIgnorance      498      
      MainGame2021      195   


Standings
Last month's scores were so low that the change in position is of little relevance: this month's might not mean a lot more by late 2023.
Rank Team Total Change in position
1      Greenedge      306      7
2      Nyssinator      281      12
3      SafeBet      274      5
4      JPettersen      262      10
5      Nakazar      261      -2
6      JonEzeitza      256      8
7      Skidmark      247      -5
8      Jakob747      242      -7
9      Kazistuta      234      5
10      Scrooll07      222      4
11      Blues_in_the_Bottle      221      3
12      Fivezzz      215      2
13      Madrazo      214      -5
13      Ray10      214      -7
15      Squire      199      -1
16      Northerner      191      -2
17      Karaev      190      -3
18      AmisVelo      187      -4
19      Bminchow      186      -5
20      Otoxiep87      181      -6
20      RoteLaterne      181      -6
22      Josedin      179      -14
23      Comodoro      174      -9
23      LukasCPH      174      -9
25      HugoKoblet      170      -11
26      MuddyWaters      165      -20
27      Leadbelly      149      -22
28      Cordi      148      -14
29      Laarsland      139      -15
30      Rufs      128      -16
30      Vladimir      128      -27
32      Ludwigzgz      117      -24
33      YellowKnight      104      -19
34      Koronin      96      -20
35      Armchair_Cyclist      95      -21
36      Kryvo      77      -22
37      LosBrolin      43      -29
      CollectiveWisdom      208      
      CollectiveIgnorance      617      
      MainGame2021      207   


A third team has entered our battle of the forums: our Spanish contingent from Parlamento Ciclista, consisting of Comodoro, Jon Ezeitza, Karaev, Ludwigzgz, Muddy Waters (all also on the CN team) Cordi and Josedin (also on the Velorooms team.


Average scores so far:

CN Forumites  191
Team VeloRooms  178
Equipo Parlamento  176


Still a long way to go... track it here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t9sa67FVJCErCRyUp_tiumaWLwTOm5Nu/view?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on March 06, 2021, 19:32
Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on March 03, 2021, 19:31

A third team has entered our battle of the forums: our Spanish contingent from Parlamento Ciclista, consisting of Comodoro, Jon Ezeitza, Karaev, Ludwigzgz, Muddy Waters (all also on the CN team) Cordi and Josedin (also on the Velorooms team.



Sorry for correcting, but is Kryvo instead of Karaev.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on March 06, 2021, 19:38
Quote from: rote_laterne on February 26, 2021, 20:57
This is also quite a team.
Yes, Umba looks like an interesting pick.
And leaving out Vansevenant looks like a fault.

Yes, after seeing how they entered the season, not only Vansevenant but also Dekker look like a huge miss.

Vansevenant hurts more tho, as he was already in my 20-22 team and was one of the very difficult last rejections.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 07, 2021, 00:01
You should have accepted the (inadvertent) swap: EP score falls to 159.
Title: Re: 2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 06, 2021, 01:24
Year 1 Month 3 1 March to 4 April

The month of the northern classics, but most of these points were gained further south.  One rider, who I suspect will be one of the stars of this cohort, dominates, but a top ten in a major WT stage race is pretty good for this stage of the game too.

Rider Pts this month Teams Source
VANSEVENANT Mauri      237      23   Industria & Artigianato win/Laiguelia 3rd/Coppi e Bartali 7th
JORGENSON Matteo      94      17   Paris-Nice 8th   
ROMO OLIVER Javier      70      7   Coppi e Bartali 5th
SCHELLING Ide      59      6   Industria & Artigianato 5th
COLNAGHI Luca      42      1      
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos      40      13      
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago      39      6      
CARR Simon      36      6      
COLLEONI Kevin      31      11   

Rank this month Pts this month Main scorers
1      JonEzeitza      553   Vansevenant/Jorgenson/Schelling/Colleoni
2      Greenedge      525   Vansevenant/Jorgenson/Rodriguez/Buitrago
3      Northerner      516   Vansevenant/Jorgenson/Colleoni
4      Scrooll07      515   Vansevenant/Jorgenson/Romo/Carr
5      Kazistuta      507   Vansevenant/Jorgenson/Schelling
6      Laarsland      499      
7      Nakazar      491      
8      AmisVelo      470      
9      HugoKoblet      461      
10      Blues_in_the_Bottle      432      
11      Josedin      416      
12      Nyssinator      415      
13      Madrazo      410      
14      Bminchow      409      
15      Ray10      407      
16      JPettersen      399      
17      Comodoro      388      
18      Squire      379      
19      Armchair_Cyclist      374      
20      Otoxiep87      373      
21      MuddyWaters      372      
22      Karaev      361      
23      SafeBet      353      
24      Fivezzz      352      
25      LukasCPH      351      
26      Kryvo      333      
27      RoteLaterne      317      
27      Cordi      317      
29      Rufs      259      
30      YellowKnight      252      
31      Leadbelly      250      
31      Vladimir      250      
33      Koronin      209      
34      Skidmark      195      
35      Ludwigzgz      173      
36      LosBrolin      147      
37      Jakob747      65      
      CollectiveWisdom      507      
      CollectiveIgnorance      422      
      MainGame2021      453   


Standings
The table is still volatile enough to have some very large movements, but perhaps the most notable is a team staying still: Greenedge was already top, and then scored the second highest total this month.

Rank Team Total Change in position
1      Greenedge      831      0
2      JonEzeitza      809      4
3      Nakazar      752      2
4      Kazistuta      741      5
5      Scrooll07      737      5
6      Northerner      707      10
7      Nyssinator      696      -5
8      JPettersen      661      -4
9      AmisVelo      657      9
10      Blues_in_the_Bottle      653      1
11      Laarsland      638      18
12      HugoKoblet      631      13
13      SafeBet      627      -10
14      Madrazo      624      -1
15      Ray10      621      -2
16      Josedin      595      6
16      Bminchow      595      3
18      Squire      578      -3
19      Fivezzz      567      -7
20      Comodoro      562      3
21      Otoxiep87      554      -1
22      Karaev      551      -5
23      MuddyWaters      537      3
24      LukasCPH      525      -1
25      RoteLaterne      498      -5
26      Armchair_Cyclist      469      9
27      Cordi      465      1
28      Skidmark      442      -21
29      Kryvo      410      7
30      Leadbelly      399      -3
31      Rufs      387      -1
32      Vladimir      378      -2
33      YellowKnight      356      0
34      Jakob747      307      -26
35      Koronin      305      -1
36      Ludwigzgz      290      -4
37      LosBrolin      190      0
      CollectiveWisdom      715      
      CollectiveIgnorance      910      
      MainGame2021      660   

CN Forumites  552
Team VeloRooms  554
Equipo Parlamento  524 (with Kryvo rather than Karaev)