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Title: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 19, 2021, 01:14
With all available body parts crossed that they actually happen, I hereby launch the Spring Classics game. 


Your team is to be made up of 12 riders, with a maximum total cost of 3000 CQ points during 2020 (you could use  this page (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/cqRankingRider.asp), setting the year to 2020, or download the 20201231.zip file from here (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/downloads.asp)), or try my selection spreadsheet poll here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JqjK1WJRglGVHy3Vc4GkloFzSEoB6bNM/view?usp=sharing).


The races that will give points are the one day races in Europe from the Omloop to the Radklassiker, ie:

Date Race Point scale
27-Feb      Omloop Het Nieuwsblad Elite      1.UWT3
27-Feb      Faun-Ardèche Classic      1.PS
28-Feb      Kuurne - Bruxelles - Kuurne      1.PS
28-Feb      Royal Bernard Drome Classic      1.PS
03-Mar      Trofeo Laigueglia      1.PS
06-Mar      Strade Bianche      1.UWT3
07-Mar      GP Industria & Artigianato      1.PS
17-Mar      Danilith Nokere Koerse      1.PS
19-Mar      Bredene Koksijde Classic      1.PS
20-Mar      Milano-Sanremo      1.UWT1
24-Mar      Oxyclean Classic Brugge-De Panne      1.UWT3
26-Mar      E3 Saxo Bank Classic      1.UWT2
28-Mar      Gent-Wevelgem in Flanders Fields      1.UWT2
31-Mar      Dwars door Vlaanderen - A travers la Flandre      1.UWT3
03-Apr      Gran Premio Miguel Indurain      1.PS
04-Apr      Ronde van Vlaanderen - Tour des Flandres      1.UWT1
07-Apr      Scheldeprijs      1.PS
11-Apr      Paris-Roubaix      1.UWT1
14-Apr      De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne      1.PS
18-Apr      Amstel Gold Race      1.UWT2
21-Apr      La Flèche Wallonne      1.UWT2
25-Apr      Liège-Bastogne-Liège      1.UWT1
01-May      Eschborn-Frankfurt      1.UWT3
CQ has Loire-Atlantique and GP Cholet down as 1.PS races, but PCS, UCI and the races' own websites all have them as 1.1: if it turns out that CQ is correct, I will include them, as I will the GP de Denain if it is uncancelled.

Point scale (full version here (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rules.asp))
Rank 1st 2nd 3rd 10th last to get >5 pts To get 5 pts
UWT1      280      170      145      62      30th      all finishers
UWT2      220      132      112      46      30th      all finishers
UWT3      180      108      92      36      25th      all finishers
PS      130      78      66      24      20th      top 30

Send your team to me by PM on Cycling News or Velorooms by the flag dropping in the Omloop (its website still doesn't have a timetable, assume about 11am West Europe time) on Saturday 27th Feb.  As ever, please try to send the CQ version of riders' names, and do not put anything else on the same line.  I have sent my team to Comodoro, the first manager to send in their team.

Note the optimism in the thread title: I'm hanging on to the hope of Classics in the Spring.  If fewer than 15 of these actually take place, I will aim to do something similar to last year and have a "Classics at some point in the year" redux version.

Any questions? Just ask.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 24, 2021, 23:20
I hope teams will come in a rush in the last 2 1/2 days: please remember that this game starts on a Saturday, not a Sunday.


Of the eight teams in so far, all have at least 2 unique picks, and 55 riders have been chosen.  Two of them are on 6 teams, and 2 on 4.



It occurred to me that I have never established a rule in this game for what happens if a team is over budget and not changed before the deadline.  I shall remove the cheapest riders that solve the problem, and make up the team with whoever is picked (on at least one other team in the race) that is allowable.   

So if a team has a total of 3050, and the cheapest rider costs 55 points, I will remove him, and replace him with the highest priced rider who cost 5 points or less (and if there are 2 at the same price, the first of them alphabetically).

If the team total is 3080, and the cheapest two cost 30 and 55 points, I will remove and replace them with a 5 point cost rider and a zero, or a 4 and a one if there is no 5, etc.

If the team cost is 3080, and the cheapest 2 cost 30 and 85, I will leave the 30 point rider in, and replace the 85 with a 5 point man (subject to the above).


But it is very rare that this happens, and I am usually able to alert managers in time if there is a problem.   And if you use the selection tool download that I have now added to the OP, it shouldn't happen at all.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on February 25, 2021, 07:36
Team JSG is in
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 26, 2021, 20:03
Del over at CN forum reported a problem opening the selection spreadsheet, so I have removed the file from Google Drive and moved it back, which hopefully fixes it.  The location may have changed:  now ​here.​​​ (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1am4KhuK95sm6s4HBAu1Ax21GL2wJwG7y/view?usp=sharing)


I haven't got time to look up the exact start time of the Omloop tomorrow, so let's call it 12 noon UK (also 1200 GMT/UTC) as a deadline.


So if you are in Europe and you are planning a lie in or a morning ride for your Saturday, better get your team in tonight.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on February 26, 2021, 20:34
I managed to compose a team.
Good luck to all.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 27, 2021, 16:07
So here we go: a slightly disappointing 22 teams, but with lots of bargains we could be in for some big scores this year, so long as the races take place.

Teams
Alphabetical order of teams, price order of riders, unique picks with an asterisk.

Amis Velo

   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Armchair Cyclist

   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   POLITT Nils   
   SARREAU Marc   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   


Blues in the Bottle

   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   STUYVEN Jasper   
   TEUNS Dylan   
   VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   DEWULF Stan   *
   GOGL Michael   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VAN DER HOORN Taco   *
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   VAN DEN BERG Julius   *
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Bminchow
   SAGAN Peter   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   GARCIA CORTINA Ivan   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   THEUNS Edward   
   BATTISTELLA Samuele   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   BRENNER Marco   


ChrisDK
   LAMPAERT Yves   *
   STUYVEN Jasper   
   MERLIER Tim   *
   TURGIS Anthony   
   DRUCKER Jempy   
   HOFSTETTER Hugo   
   VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael   
   HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose   *
   NEILANDS Krists   *
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias   


Comodoro
   PEDERSEN Mads   
   WOODS Michael   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   POELS Wout   *
   GILBERT Philippe   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   RUTSCH Jonas   *
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   
   HAVIK Piotr   
   REYNDERS Jens   


Del1962
   SAGAN Peter   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   LUTSENKO Alexey   
   COLBRELLI Sonny   *
   NAESEN Oliver   
   CORT NIELSEN Magnus   *
   JUNGELS Bob   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   *
   OSS Daniel   
   ARNDT Nikias   *
   PIDCOCK Thomas   


DJSprtsch
   PEDERSEN Mads   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   LUTSENKO Alexey   
   COQUARD Bryan   *
   TURGIS Anthony   
   VIVIANI Elia   *
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   DE BUYST Jasper   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   LAWLESS Christopher   
   SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias   


Googolplex
   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   WOODS Michael   
   DRUCKER Jempy   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   POLITT Nils   
   DEKKER David   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   LAWLESS Christopher   
   HENTTALA Joonas   *


Josedin***
   PEDERSEN Mads   
   SENECHAL Florian   *
   ASGREEN Kasper   *
   BALLERINI Davide   
   DEVENYNS Dries   *
   TURGIS Anthony   
   BRENNER Marco   
   HAVIK Piotr   
   HERMANS Quinten   
   NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias   
   REYNDERS Jens   
   SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias   


Just Some Guy
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   BARDET Romain   *
   THEUNS Edward   
   POLITT Nils   
   PLANCKAERT Baptiste   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   
   HERMANS Quinten   
   REYNDERS Jens   


Kazistuta
   SAGAN Peter   
   MADOUAS Valentin   *
   TEUNS Dylan   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   GARCIA CORTINA Ivan   
   BOL Cees   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Leadbelly
   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   MATTHEWS Michael   *
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   LIVYNS Arjen   
   POLITT Nils   
   ROWE Luke   *
   DEKKER David   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Madrazo
    VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   STUYVEN Jasper   
   BALLERINI Davide   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   GARCIA CORTINA Ivan   
   HOFSTETTER Hugo   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   TERPSTRA Niki   


Mellow Velo
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   WELLENS Tim   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   TURGIS Anthony   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   THEUNS Edward   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   DEBUSSCHERE Jens   *
   HERMANS Quinten   


Otoxiep87
   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   BENOOT Tiesj   *
   NAESEN Oliver   
   BISSEGGER Stefan   *
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   THEUNS Edward   
   LIVYNS Arjen   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   


Ray10
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   ANDERSEN Søren Kragh   *
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   CALMEJANE Lilian   *
   POLITT Nils   
   DEKKER David   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   HIVERT Jonathan   *
   EIKING Odd Christian   *


Rote Laterne
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   THEUNS Edward   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   HALVORSEN Kristoffer   *
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   
   PETIT Adrien   *
   LANGEVELD Sebastian   *


Scrooll07
   SAGAN Peter   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   DEGENKOLB John   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   VERMEERSCH Florian   *
   TEUNISSEN Mike   *
   PLANCKAERT Baptiste   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   *
   VERSCHAEVE Viktor   *


Search
   WOODS Michael   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   GARCIA CORTINA Ivan   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   *
   POLITT Nils   
   SARREAU Marc   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   KREUZIGER Roman   *


SemirS
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   BETTIOL Alberto   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   THEUNS Edward   
   DILLIER Silvan   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   OSS Daniel   


Triley
   PEDERSEN Mads   
   BETTIOL Alberto   
   DEGENKOLB John   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   MOHORIC Matej   *
   GILBERT Philippe   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   DE PLUS Laurens   *


Josedin didn't actually pick half of that team, but was well over budget.  So much so that even I as the legislator was unsure how the rules I set out above applied.  But on taking out the six cheapest riders brought the team cost down to 2997, and although there were no 1, 2 or 3 pointers chosen, there were 6 freebies, so I put those in: I think that is the implication of what I described.  The alternative would have been to remove the cheapest rider who cost more than the excess spend, and substitute in the most expensive selected rider with the remaining budget.  I offered Josedin the choice, but haven't heard back yet.  The alternative is in the spreadsheet as JosedinB.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 27, 2021, 17:21
Riders

Sorted by number of teams
18:   POLITT Nils, VANMARCKE Sep
13:   VAN AVERMAET Greg
12:   NAESEN Oliver
8:   LAPORTE Christophe
7:   GILBERT Philippe, JUNGELS Bob, PIDCOCK Thomas, STYBAR Zdenek
6:   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl, MOSCON Gianni, TERPSTRA Niki, THEUNS Edward, VAN DER POEL Mathieu, VANSEVENANT Mauri, WELLENS Tim

The collective team will consist of the nine riders on at least 7 teams, plus 3/7 of the total of the seven riders on 6 teams.  That comes in quite a bit below 3000 points, but any combination of the 6 without MvdP was much lower, and any with him was over.

5:   TRENTIN Matteo
4:   ALAPHILIPPE Julian, GARCIA CORTINA Ivan, JORGENSON Matteo, PEDERSEN Mads, SAGAN Peter, TURGIS Anthony
3:   DEKKER David, HERMANS Quinten, REYNDERS Jens, STUYVEN Jasper, WOODS Michael
2:   BALLERINI Davide, BETTIOL Alberto, BRENNER Marco, DEGENKOLB John, DRUCKER Jempy, HAVIK Piotr, HOFSTETTER Hugo, LAWLESS Christopher, LIVYNS Arjen, LUTSENKO Alexey, NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias, OSS Daniel, PLANCKAERT Baptiste,
SARREAU Marc, SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias, TEUNS Dylan, VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 27, 2021, 23:54
Josedin has asked to take option B, so he gets his cheap picks back and loses a unique pick in Kasper Asgreen and receives (not his choice) Bob Jungels.

His team is now:
PEDERSEN Mads   
SENECHAL Florian   *
JUNGELS Bob   
BALLERINI Davide   
DEVENYNS Dries   *
TURGIS Anthony   
LIVYNS Arjen   
POLITT Nils   
DEKKER David   
VANMARCKE Sep   
PIDCOCK Thomas   
VANSEVENANT Mauri   

That means that BRENNER Marco, HAVIK Piotr, NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias, SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias become unique picks for Bminchow, Comodoro, ChrisDK and DJSprtsch respectively.  It also means that Vansevanant moves into the Collective Wisdom team in his own right, and the remainder of the score is 1/3 of the total of the remaining six men on six teams.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 01:52
Team popularity

rank Team Popularity Unique picks members of Coll Wisdom
1      AmisVelo      111      0      7
2      Armchair      110      0      8
3      Madrazo      102      0      7
4      SemirS      99      1      7
5      RoteLaterne      98      3      7
6      MellowVelo      97      1      7
7      Search      95      2      6
8      Bminchow      94      2      6
9      Otoxiep87      93      2      6
10      Leadbelly      89      2      5
11      Kazistuta      86      2      5
12      Googolplex      85      1      6
13      Comodoro      84      3      5
14      Ray10      82      4      6
14      Triley36      82      2      4
16      Josedin      80      2      5
17      JustSomeGuy      77      1      5
18      DJSprtsch      75      4      4
19      Blues_in_the_Bottle      70      4      4
20      Scrool07      63      5      3
21      Del1962      59      4      4
22      ChrisDK      29      5      1
      CollectiveWisdom      120      0      12

There is a tab for the similarity of teams (whence the final column above).  Armchair and Amis Velo share 8 riders, and the following combinations share 7:
Amis Velo and Kazistuta
Armchair and Madrazo
Armchair and Otoxiep
Armchair and Search
Madrazo and Search
Rote Laterne and SemirS

while there are no less than 11 teams with which ChrisDK's selection has nothing in common, any pair of teams that does not include ChrisDK has at least one overlap.


When the spreadsheet is put up, you will see that there are columns and placeholders for a "So Last Year" team, and scores of riders in this set of races last year.  I thought I had calculated these, but mistakes came to light, so I am ignoring that for this year, but keeping the facility in the spreadsheet, because I will reuse the formatting next year.

And when you see the spreadsheet (I will put up the link after I have processed today's races, but that will have to wait for tomorrow), you will notice several columns consisting purely of commas: that is so that I can produce tables here.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 12:24
Major Purchases

Even in the year following 2020, while so many riders are available at ridiculously low prices, the riders who we spend most on are a major part of what makes for success or failiure in the game.  So the picks of more than 500 points that we have are:

Van der Poel with Kragh: Ray10
   with GvA: Amis Velo, JSG, Rote Laterne
   with Stuyven: Blues in the Bottle
   only: Mellow Velo
      
Alaphilippe with Woods: Googolplex
   with Matthews and GvA: Leadbelly
   with Benoot: Otoxiep87
   with GvA: Armchair
      
Sagan with GvA: Bminchow, Scrooll, Del
   only: Kazistuta
      
Pedersen   with Senechal: Josedin   
   with Woods and GvA: Comodoro
   with GvA: DJSprtsch
   only: Triley36
      
Woods with GvA: Search

Lampaert with Stuyven: ChrisDK

GvA with Stuyven: Madrazo
   only: SemirS

And for the same reason that rare picks are noteworthy, rare misses might be too: JSG didn't select Vanmarcke, Scrooll overlooked Politt, and both Del and ChrisDK decided against both of those very popular picks.
 
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 13:15
So finally we actually get to the races.  I'll start with the simpler of yesterday's events:

Race 1; Ardeche Classic

Jonathan Hivert came 9th, scoring 28 CQ points for the only manager who picked him, Ray 10.
He was the only rider in the first 30, the point scorers, selected for the game.

errrm, standings
Ray10   28
Everyone else   0


In the Green Jersey competition, there are just as many points available in a 1.Pro race like this as there are in the monuments.  Points are distributed as CQ points are for a stage in the Tour de France: 80 for the winner, then 50, 35, 25, 15 down to 1 for 10th: points for a shared position are shared.  A manager's position in each race is the total of all his scorers.

So here Ray would get 80 points for winning, and everyone else would get 6.95 ( a 1/21 share of the total points 2nd to 10th).  To keep the numbers a bit neater, I will take 6.95 off everybody, including Ray, who thereby has a 73.05 to 0 lead over the field.

You don't really need to see that on a table do you?
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on February 28, 2021, 14:34
Sep wasn't a miss FWIW a conscious decision :lol
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 14:44
Race 2: Omloop het Nieuwsblad

Riders picked for the game
Race Pos'n Pts Teams
1      BALLERINI Davide      180      2 (Josedin and Madrazo)
3      VANMARCKE Sep      92      19
5      GILBERT Philippe      70      7
7      SENECHAL Florian      54      1 (Josedin)
8      TRENTIN Matteo      46      5
10      POLITT Nils      36      19
11      GARCIA CORTINA Ivan      30      4
13      LAPORTE Christophe      24      8
14      DILLIER Silvan      22      1
15      TURGIS Anthony      20      4
16      COQUARD Bryan      18      1
19      NAESEN Oliver      12      12
23      ANDERSEN Søren Kragh      8      1
24      WELLENS Tim      7      6
and 26 other riders chosen for the game get 5 points for finishing.

Rank Team Points Main scorersGreen pts
1      Madrazo      464      Ballerini/Vanmarcke/Gilbert/Politt/Garcia      80
2      Josedin      397   Ballerini/Vanmarcke/Senechal/Politt         50
3      SemirS      305         Vanmarcke/Gilbert/Trentin/Politt   35
4      Triley36      266      Vanmarcke/Gilbert/Trentin/Politt      25
5      MellowVelo      247            15
6      Comodoro      242            10
7      Ray10      240            4
7      RoteLaterne      240            4
9      Kazistuta      231            2
10      Bminchow      226            1
11      Search      216            
12      AmisVelo      206            
13      DJSprtsch      200            
14      Otoxiep87      199            
15      Armchair      194            
16      Googolplex      172            
17      Blues_in_the_Bottle      153            
17      Leadbelly      153            
19      Scrool07      116            
20      JustSomeGuy      73            
21      ChrisDK      40            
22      Del1962      32            
      CollectiveWisdom      258         

In overall standings, Ray10 is 4th with 268, and everyone else is as they appear here (but one place lower for those 4th to 7th in this list)

And similarly, on Green points, Ray is second with 77.05, and everyone else's total is as here.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 17:41
Race 3: Drome Classic

He's only gone and done it again: another UP for Ray 10 is the only scorer.
Odd Christian Eiking gets 5 points for 21st place, and Ray gets those 5 main game points and 73.05 green points again.

Standings:
(no real change, but a chance to test changes in the spreadsheet)
Rank Team Points
1      Madrazo      464
2      Josedin      397
3      SemirS      305
5      Triley36      266
6      MellowVelo      247
7      Comodoro      242
4      Ray10      273
8      RoteLaterne      240
9      Kazistuta      231
10      Bminchow      226
11      Search      216
12      AmisVelo      206
13      DJSprtsch      200
14      Otoxiep87      199
15      Armchair      194
16      Googolplex      172
17      Blues_in_the_Bottle      153
17      Leadbelly      153
19      Scrool07      116
20      JustSomeGuy      73
21      ChrisDK      40
22      Del1962      32
      CollectiveWisdom      258

Green points
Ray seems to have found a profitable policy of getting the points on minor races
1 Ray10 150.1
2      Madrazo   80
3      Josedin   50
4      SemirS   35
5      Triley36   25
6      MellowVelo   15
7      Comodoro   10
8      RoteLaterne   4
9      Kazistuta   2
10      Bminchow   1

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 21:37
Race 4: Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne

Race Pos'n Pts Teams
1      PEDERSEN Mads      130      4
2      TURGIS Anthony      78      4
3      PIDCOCK Thomas      66      8
4      TRENTIN Matteo      58      5
6      COLBRELLI Sonny      46      1
7      POLITT Nils      40      19
8      VAN AVERMAET Greg      34      13
12      VAN DER POEL Mathieu      18      6
15      JANSEN Amund Grøndahl      12      6
16      NAESEN Oliver      10      12
17      DEGENKOLB John      9      2
19      LIVYNS Arjen      7      3
21      BENOOT Tiesj      5      1
22      STUYVEN Jasper      5      3
27      GOGL Michael      5      1
28      ANDERSEN Søren Kragh      5      1
30      TEUNS Dylan      5      2

Josedin got the entire podium (solution B to his being overbudget was definitely a good idea)
This race Main scorers Green points
1      Josedin      321   Pedersen/Turgis/Pidcock/Politt      80
2      DJSprtsch      282   Pedersen/Turgis/Politt/van Avermaet         50
3      Triley36      247   Pedersen/Trentin/Politt      35
4      Comodoro      216   Pedersen/Politt/van Avermaet         25
5      Bminchow      198   Pidcock/Trentin/Politt/van Avermaet   15
6      AmisVelo      172            10
7      JustSomeGuy      170            5
8      Del1962      156            3
9      Leadbelly      147            2
10      MellowVelo      146            1
11      SemirS      142            
12      Otoxiep87      140            
13      Ray10      129            
14      RoteLaterne      114            
15      Kazistuta      113            
16      Googolplex      106            
17      Armchair      96            
18      Madrazo      89            
19      Search      84            
20      ChrisDK      83            
21      Blues_in_the_Bottle      73            
22      Scrool07      53            
      CollectiveWisdom      160         

Green Jersey
Green points change in rank
1      Ray10      150.1      0
2      Josedin      130      1
3      Madrazo      80      -1
4      Triley36      60      1
5      DJSprtsch      50      6
6      Comodoro      35      1
6      SemirS      35      -2
8      Bminchow      16      2
8      MellowVelo      16      -2
10      AmisVelo      10      1
11      JustSomeGuy      5      0
12      RoteLaterne      4      -4
13      Del1962      3      -2
14      Leadbelly      2      -3
14      Kazistuta      2      -5
16      The rest      0      -5

Standings

Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Josedin      718      1
2      Madrazo      553      -1
3      Triley36      513      2
4      DJSprtsch      482      9
5      Comodoro      458      2
6      SemirS      447      -3
7      Bminchow      424      3
8      Ray10      402      -4
9      MellowVelo      393      -3
10      AmisVelo      378      2
11      RoteLaterne      354      -3
12      Kazistuta      344      -3
13      Otoxiep87      339      1
14      Leadbelly      300      3
14      Search      300      -3
16      Armchair      290      -1
17      Googolplex      278      -1
18      JustSomeGuy      243      2
19      Blues_in_the_Bottle      226      -2
20      Del1962      188      2
21      Scrool07      169      -2
22      ChrisDK      123      -1
      CollectiveWisdom      418   

I wish Le Samyn on Tuesday were a 1.Pro race so that I could include it here, but instead the next instalment will be Laigueglia on Wednesday.  That usually happens outside the timeframe of this game, so it is unusual to be including it.  Ray 10 will probably have a unique pick in the startlist somewhere.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 22:23
And after 4 events, the state of the battle of the forums is


CN Forumites (Blues in the Bottle, Bminchow, Comodoro, Del1962, DJSprtsch, Googolplex, Kazistuta, Madrazo, Ray10, Scrooll07, SemirS, Triley36)  374
Team Velorooms (AmisVelo, ChrisDK, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Leadbelly, MellowVelo, Otoxiep87, RoteLaterne, Search) 350

And the spreadsheet is to be found, hopefully, here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view?usp=sharing).

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 03, 2021, 22:12
Race 5   Trofeo Laigueglia

One of the keys to this game is the balance between cobbled specialists and those for the hilly races.  If many people had been aiming for big scorers in the Ardennes, we might have seen more points here today.

Those relevant to the game:
Race Pos'n Pts Teams
3      VANSEVENANT Mauri      66      7
12      MADOUAS Valentin      18      1
15      DEVENYNS Dries      12      1
16      MOHORIC Matej      10      1

I'll take out the column for which riders yielded the points: it can easily be worked out.  This time I did give the large number of low scorers some decimal shrapnel of remaining points.
This race Green points
1      Kazistuta      84      80
2      Josedin      78      50
3      AmisVelo      66      18
3      Blues_in_the_Bottle      66      18
3      ChrisDK      66      18
3      Leadbelly      66      18
3      MellowVelo      66      18
8      Triley36      10      3
9      The rest   0      0.21
      CollectiveWisdom      66         

Green Jersey
Green points change in rank
1      Josedin      180      1
2      Ray10      150.31      -1
3      Kazistuta      82      11
4      Madrazo      80.21      -1
5      Triley36      63      -1
6      DJSprtsch      50.21      -1
7      Comodoro      35.21      -1
7      SemirS      35.21      -1
9      MellowVelo      34      -1
10      AmisVelo      28      0
11      Leadbelly      20      3
12      Blues_in_the_Bottle      18      4
12      ChrisDK      18      4
14      Bminchow      16.21      -6
15      JustSomeGuy      5.21      -4
16      RoteLaterne      4.21      -4
17      Del1962      3.21      -4
18      Armchair      0.21      -2
18      Googolplex      0.21      -2
18      Otoxiep87      0.21      -2
18      Scrool07      0.21      -2
18      Search      0.21      -2


Standings
Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Josedin      796      0
2      Madrazo      553      0
3      Triley36      523      0
4      DJSprtsch      482      0
5      MellowVelo      459      4
6      Comodoro      458      -1
7      SemirS      447      -1
8      AmisVelo      444      2
9      Kazistuta      428      3
10      Bminchow      424      -3
11      Ray10      402      -3
12      Leadbelly      366      2
13      RoteLaterne      354      -2
14      Otoxiep87      339      -1
15      Search      300      -1
16      Blues_in_the_Bottle      292      3
17      Armchair      290      -1
18      Googolplex      278      -1
19      JustSomeGuy      243      -1
20      ChrisDK      189      2
21      Del1962      188      -1
22      Scrool07      169      -1
      CollectiveWisdom      484   


Less than a point between the forums:
CN  387.0         VR 387.8


Staying in Italy for two more races at the weekend. 

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 07, 2021, 00:58
Race 6  Strade Bianche and what a race it was.

Race Pos'n Pts Teams
1      VAN DER POEL Mathieu      180      6
2      ALAPHILIPPE Julian      108      4
5      PIDCOCK Thomas      70      8
6      GOGL Michael      62      1 (Blues in the Bottle)
13      WELLENS Tim      24      6
19      VAN AVERMAET Greg      12      13
20      BARDET Romain      11      1
21      MADOUAS Valentin      10      1
23      BETTIOL Alberto      8      2
and five other finishers for 5 points each.

This race Scorers Green points
1      JustSomeGuy      297   Van der Poel/Pidcock/Wellens/GvA/Bardet   80
2      Ray10      255   Van der Poel/Pidcock/fiver   50
3      Blues_in_the_Bottle      242   Van der Poel/Gogl   35
4      MellowVelo      204   Van der Poel/Wellens   25
5      RoteLaterne      197   Van der Poel/GvA/fiver   15
6      AmisVelo      192   Van der Poel/GvA   10
7      Leadbelly      190   Alaphilippe/Pidcock/GvA   5
8      Googolplex      183            3
9      Otoxiep87      178            2
10      Armchair      125            1
11      Bminchow      111            
12      Del1962      87            
13      Josedin      70            
14      SemirS      54            
15      Search      46            
16      Scrool07      41            
17      Madrazo      22            
18      Kazistuta      15            
19      Triley36      13            
20      DJSprtsch      12            
20      Comodoro      12            
22      ChrisDK      0            
      CollectiveWisdom      155         


Green points overall

Green points change in rank
1      Ray10      200.31      1
2      Josedin      180      -1
3      JustSomeGuy      85.21      12
4      Kazistuta      82      -1
5      Madrazo      80.21      -1
6      Triley36      63      -1
7      MellowVelo      59      2
8      Blues_in_the_Bottle      53      4
9      DJSprtsch      50.21      -3
10      AmisVelo      38      0


Standings

Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Josedin      866      0
2      MellowVelo      663      3
3      Ray10      657      8
4      AmisVelo      636      4
5      Madrazo      575      -3
6      Leadbelly      556      6
7      RoteLaterne      551      6
8      JustSomeGuy      540      11
9      Triley36      536      -6
10      Bminchow      535      0
11      Blues_in_the_Bottle      534      5
12      Otoxiep87      517      2
13      SemirS      501      -6
14      DJSprtsch      494      -10
15      Comodoro      470      -9
16      Googolplex      461      2
17      Kazistuta      443      -8
18      Armchair      415      -1
19      Search      346      -4
20      Del1962      275      1
21      Scrool07      210      1
22      ChrisDK      189      -2
      CollectiveWisdom      639   

VeloRooms 540
CyclingNews  474

Industry and Art tomorrow: I see Davide Rebellin is on the start list, but no-one has chosen him.  I'm not expecting it to be a big scorer.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 08, 2021, 00:47
Race 7   GP Industria & Artigianato  Was it on TV anywhere? I know nothing other than the result.

Only one of the first 30 finishers had been chosen by any of us.  But that one finisher was the winner, has gained a massive return on his cost, and was on seven teams: Mauri Vansevenant wins 130 points for:
Amis Velo
Blues in the Bottle
ChrisDK
Josedin
Kazistuta
Leadbelly
Mellow Velo

and they each get 31.03 green points each  (I'm deducting the 0.4 points that arise from the sum of 8th to tenth divided by the 15 non-scorers from every team)

Green point standings
Josedin and Ray seem to be taking it in turns to lead this
Green points change in rank
1      Josedin      211.03      1
2      Ray10      200.31      -1
3      Kazistuta      113.03      1
4      MellowVelo      90.03      3
5      JustSomeGuy      85.21      -2
6      Blues_in_the_Bottle      84.03      2
7      Madrazo      80.21      -2
8      AmisVelo      69.03      2
9      Triley36      63      -3
10      Leadbelly      56.03      3
11      DJSprtsch      50.21      -2
12      ChrisDK      49.03      3


Standings
The top five all have Vansevenant
Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Josedin      996      0
2      MellowVelo      793      0
3      AmisVelo      766      1
4      Leadbelly      686      2
5      Blues_in_the_Bottle      664      6
6      Ray10      657      -3
7      Madrazo      575      -2
8      Kazistuta      573      9
9      RoteLaterne      551      -2
10      JustSomeGuy      540      -2
11      Triley36      536      -2
12      Bminchow      535      -2
13      Otoxiep87      517      -1
14      SemirS      501      -1
15      DJSprtsch      494      -1
16      Comodoro      470      -1
17      Googolplex      461      -1
18      Armchair      415      0
19      Search      346      0
20      ChrisDK      319      2
21      Del1962      275      -1
22      Scrool07      210      -1
      CollectiveWisdom      769   

Velorooms  613
Cycling News 496

The racing calendar focuses on on week events for the next week and a bit: the next part of this game is Nokere Koerse on Wednesday week.  My update may be late if I am celebrating St Patrick's Day.
 
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 17, 2021, 22:45
Race 8: Nokere Koerse

After a week or so off for the one week races, the one day races are back with not much of a bang.
PositionPoints Teams
8      HALVORSEN Kristoffer      34      1 (Rote Laterne)
13      THEUNS Edward      16      6
19      SARREAU Marc      7      2
20      VANMARCKE Sep      6      19
30      LIVYNS Arjen      5      3


This race Main scorers Green points
1      RoteLaterne      56   Halvorsen Theuns and Vanmarcke         80
2      Otoxiep87      27   Theuns   Vanmarcke and Livyns         50
3=      MellowVelo      22   Theuns & Vanmarcke   25
3=      Bminchow      22      "      25
3=      SemirS      22      "      25
6      JustSomeGuy      16   Theuns         10
7=      Armchair      13   Sarreau & Vanmarcke         4
7=      Search      13      "      4
9=      Josedin      11   Vanmarcke & Livyns         1.5
9=      Leadbelly      11      "      1.5
11=      Most of the rest      6   Vanmarcke         
21=      ChrisDK & Del1962      0            
      CollectiveWisdom      11         

Green points
Green points change in rank
1      Josedin      212.53      0
2      Ray10      200.31      0
3      MellowVelo      115.03      1
4      Kazistuta      113.03      -1
5      RoteLaterne      99.21      10
6      JustSomeGuy      95.21      -1
7      Blues_in_the_Bottle      84.03      -1
8      Madrazo      80.21      -1
9      AmisVelo      69.03      -1
10      Triley36      63      -1
11      SemirS      60.21      2
12      Leadbelly      57.53      -2
13      Otoxiep87      52.21      6


Standings

Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Josedin      1007      0
2      MellowVelo      815      0
3      AmisVelo      772      0
4      Leadbelly      697      0
5      Blues_in_the_Bottle      670      0
6      Ray10      663      0
7      RoteLaterne      607      2
8      Madrazo      581      -1
9      Kazistuta      579      -1
10      Bminchow      557      2
11      JustSomeGuy      556      -1
12      Otoxiep87      544      1
13      Triley36      542      -2
14      SemirS      523      0
15      DJSprtsch      500      0
16      Comodoro      476      0
17      Googolplex      467      0
18      Armchair      428      0
19      Search      359      0
20      ChrisDK      319      0
21      Del1962      275      0
22      Scrool07      216      0
      CollectiveWisdom      780   

Something similar to be expected on Friday in Koksijde, then the first of the classics and hopefully some large scores on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 19, 2021, 09:23
I have no intention of delaying confirmation of the result until 19 September, so the Frankfurt race is out for this year (unless fewer than 15 take place on the original dates and I do a redux, per the OP, but thankfully that is looking less and less likely).
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 19, 2021, 23:15
Race 9: Bredene Koksijde Classic

Rather more points than I had expected, but so many of them were earned by one almost ubiquitous choice means that it doesn't make so much difference.

Race positionPointsTeams
1      MERLIER Tim      130      1 (Chris DK)
2      PEDERSEN Mads      78      4
3      SENECHAL Florian      66      1 (Josedin)
9      POLITT Nils      28      19
11      HALVORSEN Kristoffer      20      1 (Rote Laterne)


This race Scorers Green points
1      Josedin      172   Pedersen/Senechal/Politt         80
2      ChrisDK      130   Merlier         50
3=      Comodoro      106   Pedersen/Politt         25
3=      DJSprtsch      106      "      25
3=      Triley36      106      "      25
6      RoteLaterne      48   Halvorsen/Politt         10
7=      Most of the rest      28      Politt      0.79 each
21=      Del1962 & Scrooll07      0            
      CollectiveWisdom      28         


Green point positions

In this, as in the main competition, Josedin extends his lead by being top on the day.


Green points change in rank
1      Josedin      292.53      0
2      Ray10      201.1      0
3      MellowVelo      115.82      0
4      Kazistuta      113.82      0
5      RoteLaterne      109.21      0
6      ChrisDK      99.03      9
7      JustSomeGuy      96      -1
8      Triley36      88      2
9      Blues_in_the_Bottle      84.82      -2
10      Madrazo      81      -2
11      DJSprtsch      75.21      3
12      AmisVelo      69.82      -3
13      SemirS      61      -2
14      Comodoro      60.21      3


Standings
Josedin's lead becomes almost intimidating, but he has none of the big favourites for Milan-San Remo tomorrow, and that has a much more generous point scale.  I suspect it will not look as much of a lost cause for the also rans by this time tomorrow.


Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Josedin      1179      0
2      MellowVelo      843      0
3      AmisVelo      800      0
4      Leadbelly      725      0
5      Blues_in_the_Bottle      698      0
6      Ray10      691      0
7      RoteLaterne      655      0
8      Triley36      648      5
9      Madrazo      609      -1
10      Kazistuta      607      -1
11      DJSprtsch      606      4
12      Bminchow      585      -2
13      JustSomeGuy      584      -2
14      Comodoro      582      2
15      Otoxiep87      572      -3
16      SemirS      551      -2
17      Googolplex      495      0
18      Armchair      456      0
19      ChrisDK      449      1
20      Search      387      -1
21      Del1962      275      0
22      Scrool07      216      0
      CollectiveWisdom      808   


Forum Averages
Cycling News  547
Velorooms 688

The top 4 all come from VR


Six teams have Van der Poel for tomorrow, and four have Alaphilippe; none have Van Aert.  Who will be harvesting the bigger points available?
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 20, 2021, 18:28
Race 10: Milan-San Remo

Not the main scorers that we might have expected, but lots of points and movement in the tables.

Race Pos'n Pts Teams
1      STUYVEN Jasper      280      3
4      SAGAN Peter      125      4
5      VAN DER POEL Mathieu      112      6
6      MATTHEWS Michael      100      1
8      COLBRELLI Sonny      80      1
9      ANDERSEN Søren Kragh      70      1
10      TURGIS Anthony      62      4
11      MOHORIC Matej      54      1
12      TRENTIN Matteo      46      5
13      VAN AVERMAET Greg      42      13
15      PIDCOCK Thomas      34      8
16      ALAPHILIPPE Julian      32      4
21      NAESEN Oliver      22      12
22      LAPORTE Christophe      20      8
27      BARDET Romain      10      1
30      GARCIA CORTINA Ivan      6      4

and 22 other finishers getting 5 points each.

This race Main scorers Green points
1      Blues_in_the_Bottle      412   Stuyven & vdPoel      80
2      Madrazo      395   Stuyven/van Avermaet/Naesen/Laporte   50
3      ChrisDK      362   Stuyven/Turgis   35
4      Del1962      313   Sagan/Colbrelli/van Avermaet/Pidcock/Naesen   25
5      Bminchow      258   Sagan/Trentin/van Avermaet/Pidcock   15
6      Ray10      246   vdPoel/Kragh Andersen/Pidcock/Laporte   10
7      AmisVelo      227            5
8      Leadbelly      213            3
9      JustSomeGuy      208            2
10      MellowVelo      206            1
11      Kazistuta      204            
12      Scrool07      199            
13      RoteLaterne      191            
14      Triley36      142            
15      SemirS      135            
16      DJSprtsch      134            
17      Armchair      126            
18      Otoxiep87      113            
19      Search      105            
20      Josedin      101            
21      Googolplex      91            
22      Comodoro      67            
      CollectiveWisdom      169         

ChrisDK has had the winner two days in a row.

Green standings
Green points change in rank
1      Josedin      292.53      0
2      Ray10      211.1      0
3      Blues_in_the_Bottle      164.82      6
4      ChrisDK      134.03      2
5      Madrazo      131      5
6      MellowVelo      116.82      -3
7      Kazistuta      113.82      -3
8      RoteLaterne      109.21      -3
9      JustSomeGuy      98      -2
10      Triley36      88      -2
11      DJSprtsch      75.21      0
12      AmisVelo      74.82      0
13      Leadbelly      61.32      2
14      SemirS      61      -1
15      Comodoro      60.21      -1
16      Bminchow      57      1
17      Otoxiep87      53      -1
18      Del1962      28.21      3
19      Armchair      6      -1
20      Search      5      -1
21      Googolplex      4      -1
22      Scrool07      0.21      0


Standings
Josedin had only Turgis and Pidcock of the top 20, and nearly everyone has made up ground on him.  He still has a considerable lead, but it looks a little less intimidating than it was.
Chris is the big mover, Blues and Madrazo may be the more significant ones.

Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Josedin      1280      0
2      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1110      3
3      MellowVelo      1049      -1
4      AmisVelo      1027      -1
5      Madrazo      1004      4
6      Leadbelly      938      -2
7      Ray10      937      -1
8      RoteLaterne      846      -1
9      Bminchow      843      3
10      ChrisDK      811      9
10      Kazistuta      811      0
12      JustSomeGuy      792      1
13      Triley36      790      -5
14      DJSprtsch      740      -3
15      SemirS      686      1
16      Otoxiep87      685      -1
17      Comodoro      649      -3
18      Del1962      588      3
19      Googolplex      586      -2
20      Armchair      582      -2
21      Search      492      -1
22      Scrool07      415      0
      CollectiveWisdom      977   


Battle of the forums
CN 763
VR  880

Back up to Belgium for the next 4 events, the pre-Ronde races, starting with De Panne on Wednesday.  Until then, browse the numbers (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view?usp=sharing) at your leisure.

The update attempt on CN ground to a halt for me, I'll try that again later.  VR gets the first view of today's effects.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 24, 2021, 23:23
Race 11: De Panne (Oxyclean if you must)

Even at 2020 prices, top sprinters are a bit pricey for this game.

Those in today's race that were selected by our managers:
Race Pos'n Pts Teams
6      HOFSTETTER Hugo      62      2
7      BOL Cees      54      1
9      VIVIANI Elia      40      1
15      VERMEERSCH Florian      20      1
16      COLBRELLI Sonny      18      1
18      HALVORSEN Kristoffer      14      1
and 10 of the other finishers, who get 5 points each


Points earned today:
This race Main scorers Green points
1      ChrisDK      67   Hofstetter and a fiver   80
2      Madrazo      62   Hofstetter   50
3      Kazistuta      54   Bol   35
4      DJSprtsch      45   Viviani   25
5      RoteLaterne      24   Halvorsen and 2 fivers   15
6      Scrool07      20   Vermeersch   10
7      Del1962      18   Colbrelli   5
8=      Josedin      10            1.5
8=      JustSomeGuy      10            1.5
8=      MellowVelo      10            1.5
8=      Search      10            1.5
12=      Most other teams      5            
20=      AmisVelo/BitB/Triley      0            
      CollectiveWisdom      2         


Green standings
Green points change in rank
1      Josedin      294.03      0
2      ChrisDK      214.03      2
3      Ray10      211.1      -1
4      Madrazo      181      1
5      Blues_in_the_Bottle      164.82      -2
6      Kazistuta      148.82      1
7      RoteLaterne      124.21      1
8      MellowVelo      118.32      -2
9      DJSprtsch      100.21      2
10      JustSomeGuy      99.5      -1
11      Triley36      88      -1
12      AmisVelo      74.82      0
13      Leadbelly      61.32      0
14      SemirS      61      0
15      Comodoro      60.21      0
16      Bminchow      57      0
17      Otoxiep87      53      0
18      Del1962      33.21      0
19      Scrool07      10.21      3
20      Search      6.5      0
21      Armchair      6      -2
22      Googolplex      4      -1


Standings

It doesn't need to be a big scoring race to bring about a considerable change near the top, as Madrazo demonstrates.

Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Josedin      1290      0
2      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1110      0
3      Madrazo      1066      2
4      MellowVelo      1059      -1
5      AmisVelo      1027      -1
6      Leadbelly      943      0
7      Ray10      942      0
8      ChrisDK      878      2
9      RoteLaterne      870      -1
10      Kazistuta      865      0
11      Bminchow      848      -2
12      JustSomeGuy      802      0
13      Triley36      790      0
14      DJSprtsch      785      0
15      SemirS      691      0
16      Otoxiep87      690      0
17      Comodoro      654      0
18      Del1962      606      0
19      Googolplex      591      0
20      Armchair      587      0
21      Search      502      0
22      Scrool07      435      0
      CollectiveWisdom      979   

E3 on Friday should see more of the riders that we have chosen.  But will they score decent points?
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 27, 2021, 00:10
Race 12: E3 Harelbeke 

Not quite as many points as Omloop or Milan-San Remo, but pretty high scores today. 

Nobody chose Asgreen, but Josedin, top of the table, had runner up Senechal as a unique pick.
Race Pos'n Pts Teams
2      SENECHAL Florian      132      1
3      VAN DER POEL Mathieu      112      6
4      NAESEN Oliver      96      12
5      STYBAR Zdenek      86      7
6      VAN AVERMAET Greg      76      13
12      TURGIS Anthony      35      4
13      LAMPAERT Yves      30      1
14      STUYVEN Jasper      27      3
15      BENOOT Tiesj      24      1
16      VERMEERSCH Florian      21      1
17      DE BUYST Jasper      19      1
18      TRENTIN Matteo      18      5
24      VAN DER HOORN Taco      12      1
25      PIDCOCK Thomas      11      8
26      BALLERINI Davide      10      2
27      GARCIA CORTINA Ivan      9      4
29      DEGENKOLB John      7      2
30      VANMARCKE Sep      6      19

And 11 of the remaining finishers, who each get 5 points, were chosen.


This race Main scorers Green points
1      RoteLaterne      386   VdPoel/Naesen/Stybar/VanAvermaet   80
2      Madrazo      315   Naesen/Stybar/VanAvermaet/Stuyven   50
3      AmisVelo      313   VdPoel/Naesen/VanAvermaet/Trentin   35
4      SemirS      292   Naesen/Stybar/VanAvermaet/Trentin   25
5      Search      278   Naesen/Stybar/VanAvermaet   15
6      Armchair      269            10
7      MellowVelo      254            5
8      Ray10      225            3
9      JustSomeGuy      209            2
10      Scrool07      206            1
11      Josedin      204            
12      Del1962      188            
13      Blues_in_the_Bottle      167            
14      Otoxiep87      147            
15      Triley36      137            
16      DJSprtsch      136            
17      Kazistuta      134            
18      Bminchow      125            
19      Googolplex      108            
20      Leadbelly      103            
21      ChrisDK      92            
22      Comodoro      82            
      CollectiveWisdom      316         

Leading Green point totals
Green points change in rank
1      Josedin      294.03      0
2      Madrazo      231      2
3      Ray10      214.1      0
4      ChrisDK      214.03      -2
5      RoteLaterne      204.21      2
6      Blues_in_the_Bottle      164.82      -1
7      Kazistuta      148.82      -1
8      MellowVelo      123.32      0
9      AmisVelo      109.82      3
10      JustSomeGuy      101.5      0

Standings
Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Josedin      1494      0
2      Madrazo      1381      1
3      AmisVelo      1340      2
4      MellowVelo      1313      0
5      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1277      -3
6      RoteLaterne      1256      3
7      Ray10      1167      0
8      Leadbelly      1046      -2
9      JustSomeGuy      1011      3
10      Kazistuta      999      0
11      SemirS      983      4
12      Bminchow      973      -1
13      ChrisDK      970      -5
14      Triley36      927      -1
15      DJSprtsch      921      -1
16      Armchair      856      4
17      Otoxiep87      837      -1
18      Del1962      794      0
19      Search      780      2
20      Comodoro      736      -3
21      Googolplex      699      -2
22      Scrool07      641      0
      CollectiveWisdom      1294   

The 11 day tour of Flanders continues into Wevelgem on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 29, 2021, 13:32
Race 13: Gent-Wevelgem

Wout van Aert, although he has taken more points in the races that make up this game than anyone else, was presumably deemed too expensive by all the managers.  But plenty of managers had interest in that breakaway.
Race Pos'n Pts Teams
3      TRENTIN Matteo      112      5
4      COLBRELLI Sonny      96      1
5      MATTHEWS Michael      86      1
9      TURGIS Anthony      52      4
12      VAN AVERMAET Greg      35      13
14      LAMPAERT Yves      27      1
16      NAESEN Oliver      21      12
18      GARCIA CORTINA Ivan      18      4
25      STYBAR Zdenek      11      7
27      DEGENKOLB John      9      2
and 11 of the other finishers, for 5 points, were also selected.


This race Main scorers Green points
1      SemirS      184   Trentin/van Avermaet/Naesen/Stybar   80
2      AmisVelo      173   Trentin/van Avermaet/Naesen   50
3      Bminchow      165   Trentin/van Avermaet/Garcia   35
4      Kazistuta      156   Trentin/Naesen/Garcia      25
5      Del1962      152   Colbrelli/van Avermaet/Naesen   15
6      Triley36      147   Trentin/Naesen/Degenkolb   10
7      Leadbelly      121   Matthews/van Avermaet   5
8      Madrazo      105            3
9      DJSprtsch      97            2
10      ChrisDK      94            1
11      Search      90            
12      MellowVelo      78            
13      Armchair      77            
14      RoteLaterne      72            
15      Scrool07      65            
16      Josedin      57            
17      Comodoro      45            
18      JustSomeGuy      40            
19      Otoxiep87      31            
20      Ray10      21            
20      Googolplex      21            
22      Blues_in_the_Bottle      0            
      CollectiveWisdom      74         


Leading Green points
Green points change in rank
1      Josedin      294.03      0
2      Madrazo      234      0
3      ChrisDK      215.03      1
4      Ray10      214.1      -1
5      RoteLaterne      204.21      0
6      Kazistuta      173.82      1
7      SemirS      166      6
8      Blues_in_the_Bottle      164.82      -2
9      AmisVelo      159.82      0
10      MellowVelo      123.32      -2


Standings

Josedin has been in the lead since the opening weekend, and four races ago he had a margin of 336: now it is down to 38.
1 Josedin 1551 0
2      AmisVelo      1513      1
3      Madrazo      1486      -1
4      MellowVelo      1391      0
5      RoteLaterne      1328      1
6      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1277      -1
7      Ray10      1188      0
8      SemirS      1167      3
8      Leadbelly      1167      0
10      Kazistuta      1155      0
11      Bminchow      1138      1
12      Triley36      1074      2
13      ChrisDK      1064      0
14      JustSomeGuy      1051      -5
15      DJSprtsch      1018      0
16      Del1962      946      2
17      Armchair      933      -1
18      Search      870      1
19      Otoxiep87      868      -2
20      Comodoro      781      0
21      Googolplex      720      0
22      Scrool07      706      0
      CollectiveWisdom      1368   

Cycling News average:1055
Velorooms:1200

Next up, Dwars door Vlaanderen, and the final appearance of puppy paws and top-tubing.
Spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view?usp=sharing)

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 31, 2021, 23:46
Race 14: Dwars door Vlaanderen

Race Pos'n Pts Teams
2      LAPORTE Christophe      108      8
3      MERLIER Tim      92      1
4      LAMPAERT Yves      78      1
7      VAN AVERMAET Greg      54      13
8      TURGIS Anthony      46      4
9      SENECHAL Florian      40      1
10      STUYVEN Jasper      36      3
14      COQUARD Bryan      22      1
17      LIVYNS Arjen      16      3
19      NAESEN Oliver      12      12
20      TRENTIN Matteo      11      5
22      ALAPHILIPPE Julian      9      4
23      BENOOT Tiesj      8      1
and no less than 19 other finishers, each scoring 5 points.

This race Main scorers Green points
1      ChrisDK      272   Merlier/Lampaert/Turgis/Stuyven      80
2      DJSprtsch      235   Laporte/van Avermaet/Turgis/Coquard         50
3      Madrazo      230   Laporte/van Avermaet/Stuyven         35
4      Armchair      198         25
5      Search      189         15
6      Otoxiep87      173            10
7      Comodoro      172            5
8      Googolplex      132            3
9      Ray10      123            2
10      Josedin      112            1
11      AmisVelo      97            
11      SemirS      97            
13      Leadbelly      89            
14      RoteLaterne      86            
15      Bminchow      85            
16      JustSomeGuy      84            
17      Del1962      81            
18      MellowVelo      73            
19      Scrool07      71            
20      Blues_in_the_Bottle      61            
21      Kazistuta      48            
22      Triley36      33            
      CollectiveWisdom      191         


Green points

A tie!

Green points change in rank
1      ChrisDK      295.03      2
1      Josedin      295.03      0
3      Madrazo      269      -1
4      Ray10      216.1      0
5      RoteLaterne      204.21      0
6      Kazistuta      173.82      0
7      SemirS      166      0
8      Blues_in_the_Bottle      164.82      0
9      AmisVelo      159.82      0
10      DJSprtsch      152.21      1


Standings

Change at the top, for the first time in ten races. 
Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Madrazo      1716      2
2      Josedin      1663      -1
3      AmisVelo      1610      -1
4      MellowVelo      1464      0
5      RoteLaterne      1414      0
6      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1338      0
7      ChrisDK      1336      6
8      Ray10      1311      -1
9      SemirS      1264      -1
10      Leadbelly      1256      -2
11      DJSprtsch      1253      4
12      Bminchow      1223      -1
13      Kazistuta      1203      -3
14      JustSomeGuy      1135      0
15      Armchair      1131      2
16      Triley36      1107      -4
17      Search      1059      1
18      Otoxiep87      1041      1
19      Del1962      1027      -3
20      Comodoro      953      0
21      Googolplex      852      0
22      Scrool07      777      0
      CollectiveWisdom      1559   


Cycling News: 1169
Velorooms: 1331


Next up is the big one on Saturday.  Well, Big Mig anyway, the GP Indurain.  But I think I can only find three riders who have been selected for the game on the startlist for that one.  Sunday though...



Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 03, 2021, 19:39
Race 15: GP Indurain
I was right, there were only three riders selected for the game in the race, but they all finished in the top ten.

Lutsenko's second place earns 78 points, and 65 green points, for Del1962 and DJSprtsch; Neilands came  6th, getting 46 (35 green) for ChrisDK, and De Plus finished 10th, scoring 24 for Triley36 (25 green points).  Everyone else gets 2 green points, because that's the way it works.

In the green classification ChrisDK breaks the tie with Josedin, and moves into a 33 point lead, DJS and Del each move up 5 places, to 5th and 13th respectively, and Triley moves up one spot.

In the main overall, Chris moves up one spot to 6th, DJS up 3 to 8th, Triley up one spot and Del up two.

Tomorrow's update should take longer, and make the tables worthwhile.  For the 4 people who might be bothered to see today's data, the tables are in the usual place. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view)

And according to the principle that I put in the opening post, with 15 races having been staged, I will not be re-opening the game for any events postponed to the autumn, which means that the game finishes in Liege.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 05, 2021, 13:07
Race 16: Ronde van Vlaanderen

For the 6th race in a row, nobody picked the winner, but even so, the scores in this race were massive.

Race Pos'n Pts Teams
2      VAN DER POEL Mathieu      170      6
3      VAN AVERMAET Greg      145      13
4      STUYVEN Jasper      125      3
5      VANMARCKE Sep      112      19
8      TURGIS Anthony      80      4
9      SENECHAL Florian      70      1
11      LAPORTE Christophe      54      8
12      BENOOT Tiesj      46      1
15      SAGAN Peter      34      4
17      LAMPAERT Yves      30      1
21      MATTHEWS Michael      22      1
22      POLITT Nils      20      19
23      GARCIA CORTINA Ivan      18      4
24      HOFSTETTER Hugo      16      2
25      WELLENS Tim      14      6
28      BETTIOL Alberto      8      2
30      DEGENKOLB John      6      2
and twenty 5 point finishers.

This race Main scorers Green points
1      Madrazo      500   Van Avermaet/Stuyven/Vanmarcke/Laporte   80
2      AmisVelo      462   Van der Poel/Van Avermaet/Vanmarcke   42.5
2      RoteLaterne      462   Van der Poel/Van Avermaet/Vanmarcke   42.5
4      Blues_in_the_Bottle      447   Van der Poel/Van Avermaet/Vanmarcke   25
5      DJSprtsch      411   Van der Poel/Stuyven/Vanmarcke   15
6      MellowVelo      406   Van Avermaet/Vanmarcke/Turgis/Laporte   10
7      Search      373   Van der Poel/Vanmarcke/Turgis   5
8      Ray10      371            3
9      JustSomeGuy      364            2
10      Bminchow      358            1
11      Armchair      346            
12      Comodoro      331            
13      SemirS      319            
13      Leadbelly      319            
15      Scrool07      316            
16      Josedin      297            
17      Otoxiep87      262            
18      ChrisDK      256            
19      Kazistuta      209            
20      Googolplex      201            
21      Del1962      199            
22      Triley36      161            
      CollectiveWisdom      406         

Obviously the 2020 suppression of points in the cost of riders helped, but I am fairly sure we have not had race scores anything like that high in the Classics game before.

Green points
If it is not inappropriate to apply stage race analogies to a Classics game, Madrazo was already in yellow, and won the stage, thereby taking the green jersey too.  Though I guess ChrisDK will have to wear green while watching Scheldeprijs on Wednesday.

Green points change in rank
1      Madrazo      351      2
2      ChrisDK      330.03      -1
3      Josedin      297.03      -1
4      RoteLaterne      248.71      2
5      DJSprtsch      232.21      0
6      Ray10      221.1      -2
7      AmisVelo      204.32      3
8      Blues_in_the_Bottle      191.82      1
9      Kazistuta      175.82      -2
10      SemirS      168      -2
11      MellowVelo      135.32      0
12      Triley36      123      0
13      Del1962      113.21      0
14      JustSomeGuy      105.5      0
15      Bminchow      95      0
16      Leadbelly      68.32      0
17      Comodoro      67.21      0
18      Otoxiep87      65      0
19      Search      43.5      1
20      Armchair      43      -1
21      Scrool07      13.21      0
22      Googolplex      9      0


Standings

The top 6 teams in the Ronde were all already in the top eight here,  so the big scores did not shake up the table as much as they might have.  Amis Velo moving to second is the most significant change, but 500 points today gives Madrazo a healthy margin at the pivotal point of the game.

1 Madrazo 2216 0
2      AmisVelo      2072      1
3      Josedin      1960      -1
4      RoteLaterne      1876      1
5      MellowVelo      1870      -1
6      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1785      1
7      DJSprtsch      1742      1
8      Ray10      1682      1
9      ChrisDK      1638      -3
10      SemirS      1583      0
11      Bminchow      1581      1
12      Leadbelly      1575      -1
13      JustSomeGuy      1499      1
14      Armchair      1477      1
15      Search      1432      3
16      Kazistuta      1412      -3
17      Del1962      1304      0
18      Otoxiep87      1303      1
19      Triley36      1292      -4
20      Comodoro      1284      0
21      Scrool07      1093      1
22      Googolplex      1053      -1
      CollectiveWisdom      1964      
      SoLastYear      0   

CN 1502
VR  1692

With the postponement of Paris-Roubaix beyond the time frame of this game, we have now reached the end of scoring for those picks who specialise in the bumpy roads, and (after the sprinters' roller derby in Scheldeprijs and the strange in-between that is the Brabantse Pijl) it will be down to what spaces we left in our teams for the hill climbers.

It looks like it is for Philippe Gilbert to defend Madrazo's lead in the Ardennes against whatever Jungels and Vansevenant might manage for Amis Velo and Josedin, but as ever, something unexpected might happen, and it could all be a matter of who will have most guys trailing in with the grupetto for five points.

Wednesday brings us back here for Scheldeprijs, but the main scorers there tend to be expensive sprinters who are not widely picked in the game.  But with Merlier (ChrisDK) and Bol (Kazistuta) we might get something other than scraps.

See you then.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 07, 2021, 23:48
Race 17: Scheldeprijs

Not just the group ride to the bunch gallop this time.

Race Pos'n Pts Teams
9      SARREAU Marc      28      2
14      POLITT Nils      14      19
18      HAVIK Piotr      8      1
20      BOL Cees      6      1
26      DEWULF Stan      5      1


As I suspected, not much more than scraps, but at least a popular pick means there are scraps for plenty of us.
This race Main scorers Green points
1=      Armchair      42   Sarreau & Politt         65
1=      Search      42   Sarreau & Politt         65
3      Comodoro      22   Politt & Havik         35
4      Kazistuta      20   Polott & Bol         25
5      Blues_in_the_Bottle      19   Politt & Merlier         15
6=   Most of the rest      14      Politt      1.5 each
20=      ChrisDK  Del1962  Scrooll07      0            
      CollectiveWisdom      14         


Green points
Green points change in rank
1      Madrazo      352.5      0
2      ChrisDK      330.03      0
3      Josedin      298.53      0
4      RoteLaterne      250.21      0
5      DJSprtsch      233.71      0
6      Ray10      222.6      0
7      Blues_in_the_Bottle      206.82      1
8      AmisVelo      205.82      -1
9      Kazistuta      200.82      0
10      SemirS      169.5      0

Standings
Of the top ten, only Blues in the Bottle had anyone other than Politt, and only ChrisDK lacks him.
Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Madrazo      2230      0
2      AmisVelo      2086      0
3      Josedin      1974      0
4      RoteLaterne      1890      0
5      MellowVelo      1884      0
6      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1804      0
7      DJSprtsch      1756      0
8      Ray10      1696      0
9      ChrisDK      1638      0
10      SemirS      1597      0
11      Bminchow      1595      0
12      Leadbelly      1589      0
13      Armchair      1519      1
14      JustSomeGuy      1513      -1
15      Search      1474      0
16      Kazistuta      1432      0
17      Otoxiep87      1317      1
18      Comodoro      1306      2
18      Triley36      1306      1
20      Del1962      1304      -3
21      Scrool07      1093      0
22      Googolplex      1067      0
      CollectiveWisdom      1978   

4 events left, but an unscheduled weekend off: Brabantse Pijl next Wednesday is our next appointment.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on April 08, 2021, 08:48
It's gonna be unusual heading into these latter events with some riders to cheer on for once - Alaphilippe, Matthews, GVA, Vansevenant, Pidcock and maybe Jorgenson. Making up 650 points though is probably asking too much.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 15, 2021, 10:07
Race 18  Brabantse Pijl

For the first time since Milan-San Remo, the race winner appears in some of our teams.

Race Pos'n Pts Teams
1      PIDCOCK Thomas      130      8
3      TRENTIN Matteo      66      5
7      TEUNS Dylan      40      2
12      VAN AVERMAET Greg      18      13
14      MADOUAS Valentin      14      1
18      LAPORTE Christophe      8      8

This race Main scorers Green points
1      Bminchow      214   Pidcock/Trentin/Van Avermaet   80
2      Leadbelly      148   Pidcock/Van Avermaet         36.66
2      JustSomeGuy      148      "   36.66
2      Del1962      148      "      36.66
5      Ray10      138   Pidcock/Laporte   10
5      Otoxiep87      138      "      10
5      Googolplex      138       "      10
8      Josedin      130   Pidcock         3
9      Kazistuta      120   Trentin/Teuns/Madouas      2
10      AmisVelo      84            0.5
10      SemirS      84            0.5
12      Triley36      66            
13      Blues_in_the_Bottle      40            
14      Madrazo      26            
14      DJSprtsch      26            
14      Armchair      26            
14      Search      26            
14      Comodoro      26            
19      RoteLaterne      18            
19      Scrool07      18            
21      MellowVelo      0            
21      ChrisDK      0            
      CollectiveWisdom      156         


Green points
Any manager could score, in theory, another 240 points, if they topscore in the three remaining events, which would mean that anyone down to Triley in 15th could still win.

Green points change in rank
1      Madrazo      352.5      0
2      ChrisDK      330.03      0
3      Josedin      301.53      0
4      RoteLaterne      250.21      0
5      DJSprtsch      233.71      0
6      Ray10      232.6      0
7      Blues_in_the_Bottle      206.82      0
8      AmisVelo      206.32      0
9      Kazistuta      202.82      0
10      Bminchow      176.5      8


Standings

The leader failed to score, and the team in 3rd outscored that in second: it is bunching up at the top.

Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Madrazo      2256      0
2      AmisVelo      2170      0
3      Josedin      2104      0
4      RoteLaterne      1908      0
5      MellowVelo      1884      0
6      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1844      0
7      Ray10      1834      1
8      Bminchow      1809      3
9      DJSprtsch      1782      -2
10      Leadbelly      1737      2
11      SemirS      1681      -1
12      JustSomeGuy      1661      2
13      ChrisDK      1638      -4
14      Kazistuta      1552      2
15      Armchair      1545      -2
16      Search      1500      -1
17      Otoxiep87      1455      0
18      Del1962      1452      2
19      Triley36      1372      -1
20      Comodoro      1332      -2
21      Googolplex      1205      1
22      Scrool07      1111      -1
      CollectiveWisdom      2134   

CN:  1602
VR: 1784

The leader seems to be running out of steam, and two are chasing him down relentlessly.  As we head into the final hills, it seems that these three will comprise the podium, but in what order?  Or will someone emerge, like Cosnefroy, to try to chase them down?  And if so, will it turn out not to be Cosnefroy-esque, but more like AGR 2019?  The race situation in Brabantse Pijl and our game seem to be echoes of each other.  I had overlooked Pidcock in my summary of who might hold the key in my post-Ronde roundup: neither I nor Wout Van Aert should have underestimated him.

Spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 20, 2021, 23:10
Sorry it's been delayed: RL interfering

Race 19  Amstel Gold Race

I thought for a while we might have to share the points from 1st and 2nd...

Race Pos'n Pts Teams
2      PIDCOCK Thomas      132      8
4      MATTHEWS Michael      96      1
6      ALAPHILIPPE Julian      76      4
9      MOHORIC Matej      52      1
12      TRENTIN Matteo      35      5
13      VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael      30      2
15      BENOOT Tiesj      24      1
20      HERMANS Quinten      16      2
26      VAN AVERMAET Greg      10      13
27      MADOUAS Valentin      9      1
29      WELLENS Tim      7      6
and 15 5-pointers.

This race Main scorers Green points
1      Leadbelly      319   Pidcock/Matthews/Alaphilippe   80
2      Otoxiep87      237   Pidcock/Alaphilippe/Benoot   50
3      Googolplex      213   Pidcock/Alaphilippe      35
4      Bminchow      189   Pidcock/Trentin/Van Avermaet   25
5      JustSomeGuy      170   Pidcock/Hermans/Van Avermaet   15
6      Del1962      157   Pidcock/Trentin/Van Avermaet   10
7      Josedin      142            5
8      Ray10      132            3
9      Triley36      87            2
10      Armchair      86            1
11      SemirS      57            
12      Kazistuta      54            
13      AmisVelo      50            
13      Blues_in_the_Bottle      50            
15      ChrisDK      45            
16      MellowVelo      33            
17      Search      27            
18      Scrool07      22            
19      Comodoro      20            
20      Madrazo      15            
20      RoteLaterne      15            
20      DJSprtsch      15            
      CollectiveWisdom      151         


Green standings
Green points change in rank
1      Madrazo      352.5      0
2      ChrisDK      330.03      0
3      Josedin      306.53      0
4      RoteLaterne      250.21      0
5      Ray10      235.6      1
6      DJSprtsch      233.71      -1
7      Blues_in_the_Bottle      206.82      0
8      AmisVelo      206.32      0
9      Kazistuta      202.82      0
10      Bminchow      201.5      0
11      Leadbelly      186.48      7
12      SemirS      170      -1
13      Del1962      159.87      -1
14      JustSomeGuy      158.66      -1
15      MellowVelo      136.82      -1
16      Otoxiep87      126.5      4
16      Triley36      126.5      -1
18      Armchair      109      -1
19      Search      108.5      -3
20      Comodoro      102.21      -1
21      Googolplex      55.5      0
22      Scrool07      13.21      0

Standings
And the top three become even more closely bunched, with a change to their order, while Leadbelly makes that late charge towards the podium that I wondered about in the last update.
Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Madrazo      2271      0
2      Josedin      2246      1
3      AmisVelo      2220      -1
4      Leadbelly      2056      6
5      Bminchow      1998      3
6      Ray10      1966      1
7      RoteLaterne      1923      -3
8      MellowVelo      1917      -3
9      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1894      -3
10      JustSomeGuy      1831      2
11      DJSprtsch      1797      -2
12      SemirS      1738      -1
13      Otoxiep87      1692      4
14      ChrisDK      1683      -1
15      Armchair      1631      0
16      Del1962      1609      2
17      Kazistuta      1606      -3
18      Search      1527      -2
19      Triley36      1459      0
20      Googolplex      1418      1
21      Comodoro      1352      -1
22      Scrool07      1133      0
      CollectiveWisdom      2285   


Two races left, it will all be done this weekend, but still much to be finalised.  The Mur de Huy will set things up tomorrow...
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 21, 2021, 17:22
It's gonna be unusual heading into these latter events with some riders to cheer on for once - Alaphilippe, Matthews, GVA, Vansevenant, Pidcock and maybe Jorgenson. Making up 650 points though is probably asking too much.
I have the numbers from today in my spreadsheet, but won't be able to turn them into an update post until this evening.  But it seems 650 points is not too much to make up at all...
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 21, 2021, 23:23
Race 20: Flèche Wallonne

The four managers that selected Alaphilippe will have felt that he has not really delivered on the amount spent on him.  Until today.


Race Pos'n Pts Teams
1      ALAPHILIPPE Julian      220      4
4      WOODS Michael      96      3
6      PIDCOCK Thomas      76      8
14      HERMANS Quinten      27      2
21      MATTHEWS Michael      15      1
22      POELS Wout      14      1
24      BRENNER Marco      12      1
27      VANSEVENANT Mauri      9      7
and 12 of the five pointers were also picked.

This race Main scorers Green points
1      Googolplex      392   Alaphilippe/Woods/Pidcock         80
2      Leadbelly      330   Alaphilippe/Pidcock/Matthews/Vansevenant      50
3      Otoxiep87      296   Alaphilippe/Pidcock/Matthews/Vansevenant      35
4      Armchair      220   Alaphilippe   25
5      Comodoro      115   Woods/Poels   15
6      JustSomeGuy      108   Pidcock/Hermans   10
7      Search      106   Woods   5
8      Bminchow      93            3
9      Josedin      90            2
10      Ray10      81            0.5
10      Del1962      81            0.5
12      MellowVelo      46            
13      ChrisDK      24            
14      Blues_in_the_Bottle      19            
14      Kazistuta      19            
16      Triley36      15            
17      AmisVelo      14            
18      SemirS      10            
19      Madrazo      5            
19      RoteLaterne      5            
19      DJSprtsch      5            
19      Scrool07      5            
      CollectiveWisdom      92         

Green points
Only the top three could win now...
Green points change in rank
1      Madrazo      352.5      0
2      ChrisDK      330.03      0
3      Josedin      308.53      0
4      RoteLaterne      250.21      0
5      Leadbelly      236.48      6
6      Ray10      236.1      -1
7      DJSprtsch      233.71      -1
8      Blues_in_the_Bottle      206.82      -1
9      AmisVelo      206.32      -1
10      Bminchow      204.5      0


Standings
Not only chasing down the three who had been out front, but going straight past them without even sitting in their wheels:
1 Leadbelly 2386 3
2      Josedin      2336      0
3      Madrazo      2276      -2
4      AmisVelo      2234      -1
5      Bminchow      2091      0
6      Ray10      2047      0
7      Otoxiep87      1988      6
8      MellowVelo      1963      0
9      JustSomeGuy      1939      1
10      RoteLaterne      1928      -3
11      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1913      -2
12      Armchair      1851      3
13      Googolplex      1810      7
14      DJSprtsch      1802      -3
15      SemirS      1748      -3
16      ChrisDK      1707      -2
17      Del1962      1690      -1
18      Search      1633      0
19      Kazistuta      1625      -2
20      Triley36      1474      -1
21      Comodoro      1467      0
22      Scrool07      1138      0
      CollectiveWisdom      2377   

Liege-Bastogne-Liege on Sunday is the 21st and final race of the series, and that neatly parallels the 21 stages of a GT for our game.  From the startlists, I don't think it is more likely to change the leadership than the final stage of most GTs, but this is cycling, and one can never be sure.
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 26, 2021, 00:06
Race 21 and final: Liege-Bastogne-Liege

Race Pos'n Pts Teams
2      ALAPHILIPPE Julian      170      4
5      WOODS Michael      112      3
7      BENOOT Tiesj      90      1
10      MOHORIC Matej      62      1
19      MATTHEWS Michael      26      1
24      WELLENS Tim      16      6
25      NEILANDS Krists      14      1

and 13 five pointers.

This race Main scorers Green points
1      Googolplex      282   Alaphilippe and Woods         80
2      Otoxiep87      260   Alaphilippe and Benoot   50
3      Leadbelly      216   Alaphilippe and Matthews   35
4      Armchair      175   Alaphilippe    25
5      Search      133   Woods and Wellens   15
6      Comodoro      127   Woods   10
7      Triley36      72   Mohoric   5
8      MellowVelo      31            3
9      ChrisDK      29            2
10      JustSomeGuy      26            0.33
10      SemirS      26            0.33
10      Scrool07      26            0.33
13      Bminchow      21            
14      AmisVelo      15            
14      Blues_in_the_Bottle      15            
14      Del1962      15            
14      Kazistuta      15            
18      Madrazo      10            
18      RoteLaterne      10            
18      DJSprtsch      10            
21      Josedin      5            
21      Ray10      5            
      CollectiveWisdom      20         


Final Green Points standings

Maybe some consolation for Madrazo, who lead the main scoring until the end of the cobbles, but virtually disappeared from scoring in the Ardennes(ish) 4 race coda to the spring.
Green points change in rank
1      Madrazo      352.5      0
2      ChrisDK      332.03      0
3      Josedin      308.53      0
4      Leadbelly      271.48      1
5      RoteLaterne      250.21      -1
6      Ray10      236.1      0
7      DJSprtsch      233.71      0
8      Googolplex      215.5      9
9      Otoxiep87      211.5      5
10      Blues_in_the_Bottle      206.82      -2
11      AmisVelo      206.32      -2
12      Bminchow      204.5      -2
13      Kazistuta      202.82      -2
14      SemirS      170.33      -2
15      JustSomeGuy      168.99      -2
16      Del1962      160.37      -1
17      Armchair      159      1
18      MellowVelo      139.82      -2
19      Triley36      131.5      0
20      Search      128.5      1
21      Comodoro      127.21      -1
22      Scrool07      13.54      0


The final standings

This game is all about getting a balance between the variety of races that make up the series: after Scheldeprijs, Madrazo was top and Googolplex was last.   In the 4 races since then, Madrazo scored 56 points and Googolplex 1025.  Leadbelly scored a dozen points fewer, but had been mid-table before that final few hillier races.  All four Alaphilippe teams, including the aforementioned lanterne rouge team, make the final top ten.  And Leadbelly's margin over Josedin means that there's no argument about the notorious Huy photo changing the result.

Rank Team Points Change in rank
1      Leadbelly      2602      0
2      Josedin      2341      0
3      Madrazo      2286      0
4      AmisVelo      2249      0
5      Otoxiep87      2248      2
6      Bminchow      2112      -1
7      Googolplex      2092      6
8      Ray10      2052      -2
9      Armchair      2026      3
10      MellowVelo      1994      -2
11      JustSomeGuy      1965      -2
12      RoteLaterne      1938      -2
13      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1928      -2
14      DJSprtsch      1812      0
15      SemirS      1774      0
16      Search      1766      2
17      ChrisDK      1736      -1
18      Del1962      1705      -1
19      Kazistuta      1640      0
20      Comodoro      1594      1
21      Triley36      1546      -1
22      Scrool07      1164      0
      CollectiveWisdom      2397   

Averages from each forum:
Cycling News  1809
VeloRooms   2093

I should get time to do some analysis tomorrow, but until then, the reasons for your success or lack of it are revealed here. (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h)
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on April 26, 2021, 08:48
Fell out of the top 10 :(

Congratulations Leadbelly,  nice one. The title stays on VR for another year

Thanks AC for running the game again

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on April 26, 2021, 08:50
:fanfare

Thank you sports fans, and thanks Armchair for running the game as always. :cool
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 26, 2021, 08:53
Is that it? You call that a victory speech?
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on April 26, 2021, 09:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nOSvpnCFTs
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 28, 2021, 00:08
The riders

572 different riders scored points in these races: unfortunately, that only includes 80 of the 91 riders that we picked.  These are the highest scoring of them:
Points Cost Teams
VAN AERT Wout      881      1702      0
ALAPHILIPPE Julian      625      1247      4
VAN DER POEL Mathieu      597      1264      6
PIDCOCK Thomas      534      57      8
ASGREEN Kasper      521      543      0
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro      492      689      0
STUYVEN Jasper      478      502      3
VAN AVERMAET Greg      436      503      13
TRENTIN Matteo      397      370      5
MOLLEMA Bauke      387      310      0
VAN BAARLE Dylan      376      344      0
TURGIS Anthony      373      306      4
SENECHAL Florian      372      721      1
GAUDU David      352      484      0
MATTHEWS Michael      345      639      1
POGACAR Tadej      334      2044      0
NIZZOLO Giacomo      292      737      0
BENNETT Sam      268      901      0
SCHACHMANN Maximilian      266      956      0
COLBRELLI Sonny      260      347      1
PHILIPSEN Jasper      253      645      0
ARANBURU DEBA Alexander      253      298      0
MERLIER Tim      227      483      1
VERMEERSCH Gianni      226      348      0
LAPORTE Christophe      219      136      8
VANMARCKE Sep      216      70      19
VANSEVENANT Mauri      215      15      7
PEDERSEN Mads      213      736      4
WOODS Michael      213      666      3
BENOOT Tiesj      202      582      1
BALLERINI Davide      200      353      2


Being a good pick is not just about scoring high, but can be about good return on investments.  These guys scored at least 20 points, and at least 150% of cost.
Points Cost %age Teams
HERMANS Quinten      48      0   infinite   2
GRIGNARD Sébastien      25      0   infinite   0
NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias      20      0   infinite   1
COLMAN Alex      20      0   infinite   0
VANSEVENANT Mauri      215      15      1433.3      7
PIDCOCK Thomas      534      57      936.8      8
GESBERT Elie      52      6      866.7      0
PERRY Benjamin      25      4      625.0      0
DE PLUS Laurens      24      5      480.0      1
CAVENDISH Mark      71      15      473.3      0
VAN POPPEL Boy      47      10      470.0      0
KREDER Wesley      22      5      440.0      0
SIEBERG Marcel      20      5      400.0      0
APERS Ruben      20      5      400.0      0
RUSSO Clément      99      25      396.0      0
VANMARCKE Sep      216      70      308.6      19
ROBEET Ludovic      140      50      280.0      0
ZAKHAROV Artyom      25      9      277.8      0
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos      40      15      266.7      0
GAUDIN Damien      98      38      257.9      0
BURGHARDT Marcus      70      33      212.1      0
HOLLMANN Juri      30      15      200.0      0
BASSO Leonardo      20      10      200.0      0
VAN DER SANDE Tosh      136      71      191.5      0
SCHELLING Ide      150      79      189.9      0
VAN ASBROECK Tom      170      90      188.9      0
HAUSSLER Heinrich      133      79      168.4      0
LAPORTE Christophe      219      136      161.0      8
POLITT Nils      143      89      160.7      19
RESELL Erik Nordsaeter      34      22      154.5      0


Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: scrooll07 on April 28, 2021, 14:03
This happens when you make a team in a hurry for 5mins :D a reminder to check the start dates better next time and avoiding the last place  :lol
Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 29, 2021, 22:51
I started the analysis on Monday night, got distracted from it and posted an incomplete version at around midnight, and haven't had any time since.  But here is a bit more:

The impeccable picks
If your budget remaining for one last rider was in this range, this was the best you could do:
Points won range teams
VAN AERT Wout      881      1702 +      0
ALAPHILIPPE Julian      625      1247-1701      4
PIDCOCK Thomas      534      57-1246      8
VANSEVENANT Mauri      215      15-56      7
GESBERT Elie      52      6-14      0
HERMANS Quinten      48      0-5      2


Collective Ignorance
It might seem to speak well of our selection ability that the Collective Wisdom team came 2nd with a very strong score despite a considerable underspend, but I was able to construct a team of those that nobody chose that would have won by a vast margin (score of 2898) that cost exactly the budget limit.
Price Points
ASGREEN Kasper      543      521
MOLLEMA Bauke      310      387
VAN BAARLE Dylan      344      376
ARANBURU DEBA Alexander      298      253
PHILIPSEN Jasper      645      253
VERMEERSCH Gianni      348      226
STEWART Jake      122      182
SCHELLING Ide      79      150
CHAMPOUSSIN Clément      111      141
ROBEET Ludovic      50      140
VAN DER SANDE Tosh      71      136
HAUSSLER Heinrich      79      133

Best possible team
I am always happy to be proven wrong, but the best scoring permutation I could come up with that was allowed (and had 5 budget points of loose change) is this lot, amassing 3700 points
Price Points Teams
ALAPHILIPPE Julian      1247      625      4
PIDCOCK Thomas      57      534      8
TRENTIN Matteo      370      397      5
MOLLEMA Bauke      310      387      0
VAN BAARLE Dylan      344      376      0
TURGIS Anthony      306      373      4
LAPORTE Christophe      136      219      8
VANMARCKE Sep      70      216      19
VANSEVENANT Mauri      15      215      7
VAN ASBROECK Tom      90      170      0
ROBEET Ludovic      50      140      0
HERMANS Quinten      0      48      2


Hall of shame
If you did not do as well as you hoped, it is probably down to one or more of this bunch: theye were all selected, without being particularly cheap (>100 cost) and seriously under performed (<25% return)
Points Price %age teams
BATTISTELLA Samuele      0      104      0.0      1
CALMEJANE Lilian      0      125      0.0      1
JUNGELS Bob      0      136      0.0      8
TEUNISSEN Mike      0      172      0.0      1
HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose      5      129      3.9      1
DEVENYNS Dries      17      338      5.0      1
CORT NIELSEN Magnus      10      178      5.6      1
DRUCKER Jempy      15      252      6.0      2
POELS Wout      24      382      6.3      1
BETTIOL Alberto      26      390      6.7      2
BARDET Romain      26      358      7.3      1
DEGENKOLB John      36      383      9.4      2
BISSEGGER Stefan      20      145      13.8      1
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh      98      649      15.1      1
COQUARD Bryan      50      331      15.1      1
VIVIANI Elia      45      261      17.2      1
MADOUAS Valentin      71      387      18.3      1
DE BUYST Jasper      24      129      18.6      1
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald      25      131      19.1      1
WELLENS Tim      83      431      19.3      6
TEUNS Dylan      75      385      19.5      2
VERMEERSCH Florian      41      208      19.7      1
SAGAN Peter      159      767      20.7      4
DEWULF Stan      30      132      22.7      1
LUTSENKO Alexey      93      397      23.4      2
VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael      50      200      25.0      2



So how did they do so well?
Top four scorers for the top 5 teams:
Leadbelly: Alaphilippe, Pidcock, Van Avermaet, Matthews
Josedin: Pidcock, Turgis, Senechal, Vanmarcke
Madrazo: Stuyven, Van Avermaet, Laporte, Vanmarcke
Amis Velo: Van der Poel, Van Avermaet, Trentin, Vanmarcke
Otoxiep87:Alaphilippe, Pidcock, Laporte, Vanmarcke


Not all races are equal
Well, they are in the Green Jersey classification, but they vary vastly in how many points they contributed to the main game, partly because of CQ point allocations, and partly because of the popularity of riders who did well.
Ronde 7370
Omloop         4612
MSR         4448
E3         4370
KBK         3277
Dwars         2741
Strade         2546
Amstel         2135
Fleche         2079
Gent-Wev         1991
Brabantse         1762
LBL         1524
Koksijde         1060
GP Industria         910
Laigueglia         502
De Panne         370
Scheldeprijs         341
Nokere         273
GP Indurain         226
Ardeche         28
Drome         5

Let's hope that Paris-Roubaix is back in the mix for this game next year (and, I suppose, Frankfurt and Denain too)

Let us know if you find any other interesting data in the spreadsheet.


Thanks to all those who entered, and to CQrankings.com, and congratulations to Leadbelly, the podium teams, and to Madrazo on the green jersey win, and a special mention to ChrisDK for getting 2nd on the green classification with a team that was, by a very long way, lowest on the popularity ranking. 

and look out for the Giro CQ game, coming very soon, possibly before I go to bed tonight if I remain interruption free.


Title: -
Post by: RTknodo on August 29, 2021, 13:40
Doesnt seem much like spring here yet.  We got snow dumped on us again over April Fools.  Some mornings you can hear a lot of birds but I havent seen many insects or new growth yet.