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Title: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 19, 2021, 01:14

With all available body parts crossed that they actually happen, I hereby launch the Spring Classics game. 


Your team is to be made up of 12 riders, with a maximum total cost of 3000 CQ points during 2020 (you could use  this page (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/cqRankingRider.asp), setting the year to 2020, or download the 20201231.zip file from here (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/downloads.asp)), or try my selection spreadsheet poll here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JqjK1WJRglGVHy3Vc4GkloFzSEoB6bNM/view?usp=sharing).


The races that will give points are the one day races in Europe from the Omloop to the Radklassiker, ie:

Date	Race	Point scale
27-Feb	Omloop Het Nieuwsblad Elite	1.UWT3
27-Feb	Faun-Ardèche Classic	1.PS
28-Feb	Kuurne - Bruxelles - Kuurne	1.PS
28-Feb	Royal Bernard Drome Classic	1.PS
03-Mar	Trofeo Laigueglia	1.PS
06-Mar	Strade Bianche	1.UWT3
07-Mar	GP Industria & Artigianato	1.PS
17-Mar	Danilith Nokere Koerse	1.PS
19-Mar	Bredene Koksijde Classic	1.PS
20-Mar	Milano-Sanremo	1.UWT1
24-Mar	Oxyclean Classic Brugge-De Panne	1.UWT3
26-Mar	E3 Saxo Bank Classic	1.UWT2
28-Mar	Gent-Wevelgem in Flanders Fields	1.UWT2
31-Mar	Dwars door Vlaanderen - A travers la Flandre	1.UWT3
03-Apr	Gran Premio Miguel Indurain	1.PS
04-Apr	Ronde van Vlaanderen - Tour des Flandres	1.UWT1
07-Apr	Scheldeprijs	1.PS
11-Apr	Paris-Roubaix	1.UWT1
14-Apr	De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne	1.PS
18-Apr	Amstel Gold Race	1.UWT2
21-Apr	La Flèche Wallonne	1.UWT2
25-Apr	Liège-Bastogne-Liège	1.UWT1
01-May	Eschborn-Frankfurt	1.UWT3

CQ has Loire-Atlantique and GP Cholet down as 1.PS races, but PCS, UCI and the races' own websites all have them as 1.1: if it turns out that CQ is correct, I will include them, as I will the GP de Denain if it is uncancelled.

Point scale (full version here (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rules.asp))

Rank	1st	2nd	3rd	10th	last to get >5 pts	To get 5 pts
UWT1	280	170	145	62	30th	all finishers
UWT2	220	132	112	46	30th	all finishers
UWT3	180	108	92	36	25th	all finishers
PS	130	78	66	24	20th	top 30

Send your team to me by PM on Cycling News or Velorooms by the flag dropping in the Omloop (its website still doesn't have a timetable, assume about 11am West Europe time) on Saturday 27th Feb.  As ever, please try to send the CQ version of riders' names, and do not put anything else on the same line.  I have sent my team to Comodoro, the first manager to send in their team.

Note the optimism in the thread title: I'm hanging on to the hope of Classics in the Spring.  If fewer than 15 of these actually take place, I will aim to do something similar to last year and have a "Classics at some point in the year" redux version.

Any questions? Just ask.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 24, 2021, 23:20

I hope teams will come in a rush in the last 2 1/2 days: please remember that this game starts on a Saturday, not a Sunday.


Of the eight teams in so far, all have at least 2 unique picks, and 55 riders have been chosen.  Two of them are on 6 teams, and 2 on 4.



It occurred to me that I have never established a rule in this game for what happens if a team is over budget and not changed before the deadline.  I shall remove the cheapest riders that solve the problem, and make up the team with whoever is picked (on at least one other team in the race) that is allowable.   

So if a team has a total of 3050, and the cheapest rider costs 55 points, I will remove him, and replace him with the highest priced rider who cost 5 points or less (and if there are 2 at the same price, the first of them alphabetically).

If the team total is 3080, and the cheapest two cost 30 and 55 points, I will remove and replace them with a 5 point cost rider and a zero, or a 4 and a one if there is no 5, etc.

If the team cost is 3080, and the cheapest 2 cost 30 and 85, I will leave the 30 point rider in, and replace the 85 with a 5 point man (subject to the above).


But it is very rare that this happens, and I am usually able to alert managers in time if there is a problem.   And if you use the selection tool download that I have now added to the OP, it shouldn't happen at all.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on February 25, 2021, 07:36

Team JSG is in

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 26, 2021, 20:03

Del over at CN forum reported a problem opening the selection spreadsheet, so I have removed the file from Google Drive and moved it back, which hopefully fixes it.  The location may have changed:  now ​here.​​​ (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1am4KhuK95sm6s4HBAu1Ax21GL2wJwG7y/view?usp=sharing)


I haven't got time to look up the exact start time of the Omloop tomorrow, so let's call it 12 noon UK (also 1200 GMT/UTC) as a deadline.


So if you are in Europe and you are planning a lie in or a morning ride for your Saturday, better get your team in tonight.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on February 26, 2021, 20:34

I managed to compose a team.
Good luck to all.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 27, 2021, 16:07

So here we go: a slightly disappointing 22 teams, but with lots of bargains we could be in for some big scores this year, so long as the races take place.

Teams
Alphabetical order of teams, price order of riders, unique picks with an asterisk.

Amis Velo
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Armchair Cyclist
   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   POLITT Nils   
   SARREAU Marc   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   


Blues in the Bottle
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   STUYVEN Jasper   
   TEUNS Dylan   
   VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   DEWULF Stan   *
   GOGL Michael   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VAN DER HOORN Taco   *
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   VAN DEN BERG Julius   *
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Bminchow
   SAGAN Peter   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   GARCIA CORTINA Ivan   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   THEUNS Edward   
   BATTISTELLA Samuele   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   BRENNER Marco   


ChrisDK
   LAMPAERT Yves   *
   STUYVEN Jasper   
   MERLIER Tim   *
   TURGIS Anthony   
   DRUCKER Jempy   
   HOFSTETTER Hugo   
   VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael   
   HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose   *
   NEILANDS Krists   *
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias   


Comodoro
   PEDERSEN Mads   
   WOODS Michael   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   POELS Wout   *
   GILBERT Philippe   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   RUTSCH Jonas   *
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   
   HAVIK Piotr   
   REYNDERS Jens   


Del1962
   SAGAN Peter   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   LUTSENKO Alexey   
   COLBRELLI Sonny   *
   NAESEN Oliver   
   CORT NIELSEN Magnus   *
   JUNGELS Bob   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   SOSA CUERVO Ivan Ramiro   *
   OSS Daniel   
   ARNDT Nikias   *
   PIDCOCK Thomas   


DJSprtsch
   PEDERSEN Mads   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   LUTSENKO Alexey   
   COQUARD Bryan   *
   TURGIS Anthony   
   VIVIANI Elia   *
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   DE BUYST Jasper   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   LAWLESS Christopher   
   SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias   


Googolplex
   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   WOODS Michael   
   DRUCKER Jempy   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   POLITT Nils   
   DEKKER David   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   LAWLESS Christopher   
   HENTTALA Joonas   *


Josedin***
   PEDERSEN Mads   
   SENECHAL Florian   *
   ASGREEN Kasper   *
   BALLERINI Davide   
   DEVENYNS Dries   *
   TURGIS Anthony   
   BRENNER Marco   
   HAVIK Piotr   
   HERMANS Quinten   
   NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias   
   REYNDERS Jens   
   SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias   


Just Some Guy
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   BARDET Romain   *
   THEUNS Edward   
   POLITT Nils   
   PLANCKAERT Baptiste   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   
   HERMANS Quinten   
   REYNDERS Jens   


Kazistuta
   SAGAN Peter   
   MADOUAS Valentin   *
   TEUNS Dylan   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   GARCIA CORTINA Ivan   
   BOL Cees   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Leadbelly
   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   MATTHEWS Michael   *
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   LIVYNS Arjen   
   POLITT Nils   
   ROWE Luke   *
   DEKKER David   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   


Madrazo
    VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   STUYVEN Jasper   
   BALLERINI Davide   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   GARCIA CORTINA Ivan   
   HOFSTETTER Hugo   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   TERPSTRA Niki   


Mellow Velo
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   WELLENS Tim   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   TURGIS Anthony   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   JUNGELS Bob   
   THEUNS Edward   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   VANSEVENANT Mauri   
   DEBUSSCHERE Jens   *
   HERMANS Quinten   


Otoxiep87
   ALAPHILIPPE Julian   
   BENOOT Tiesj   *
   NAESEN Oliver   
   BISSEGGER Stefan   *
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   THEUNS Edward   
   LIVYNS Arjen   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   MOSCON Gianni   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   


Ray10
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   ANDERSEN Søren Kragh   *
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   CALMEJANE Lilian   *
   POLITT Nils   
   DEKKER David   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   PIDCOCK Thomas   
   HIVERT Jonathan   *
   EIKING Odd Christian   *


Rote Laterne
   VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   THEUNS Edward   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   HALVORSEN Kristoffer   *
   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   
   PETIT Adrien   *
   LANGEVELD Sebastian   *


Scrooll07
   SAGAN Peter   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   DEGENKOLB John   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   VERMEERSCH Florian   *
   TEUNISSEN Mike   *
   PLANCKAERT Baptiste   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   *
   VERSCHAEVE Viktor   *


Search
   WOODS Michael   
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   GARCIA CORTINA Ivan   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   LAPORTE Christophe   
   BOASSON HAGEN Edvald   *
   POLITT Nils   
   SARREAU Marc   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   KREUZIGER Roman   *


SemirS
   VAN AVERMAET Greg   
   WELLENS Tim   
   BETTIOL Alberto   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   STYBAR Zdenek   
   GILBERT Philippe   
   THEUNS Edward   
   DILLIER Silvan   *
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   OSS Daniel   


Triley
   PEDERSEN Mads   
   BETTIOL Alberto   
   DEGENKOLB John   
   TRENTIN Matteo   
   NAESEN Oliver   
   MOHORIC Matej   *
   GILBERT Philippe   
   POLITT Nils   
   VANMARCKE Sep   
   JORGENSON Matteo   
   TERPSTRA Niki   
   DE PLUS Laurens   *


Josedin didn't actually pick half of that team, but was well over budget.  So much so that even I as the legislator was unsure how the rules I set out above applied.  But on taking out the six cheapest riders brought the team cost down to 2997, and although there were no 1, 2 or 3 pointers chosen, there were 6 freebies, so I put those in: I think that is the implication of what I described.  The alternative would have been to remove the cheapest rider who cost more than the excess spend, and substitute in the most expensive selected rider with the remaining budget.  I offered Josedin the choice, but haven't heard back yet.  The alternative is in the spreadsheet as JosedinB.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 27, 2021, 17:21

Riders

Sorted by number of teams
18:   POLITT Nils, VANMARCKE Sep
13:   VAN AVERMAET Greg
12:   NAESEN Oliver
8:   LAPORTE Christophe
7:   GILBERT Philippe, JUNGELS Bob, PIDCOCK Thomas, STYBAR Zdenek
6:   JANSEN Amund Grøndahl, MOSCON Gianni, TERPSTRA Niki, THEUNS Edward, VAN DER POEL Mathieu, VANSEVENANT Mauri, WELLENS Tim

The collective team will consist of the nine riders on at least 7 teams, plus 3/7 of the total of the seven riders on 6 teams.  That comes in quite a bit below 3000 points, but any combination of the 6 without MvdP was much lower, and any with him was over.

5:   TRENTIN Matteo
4:   ALAPHILIPPE Julian, GARCIA CORTINA Ivan, JORGENSON Matteo, PEDERSEN Mads, SAGAN Peter, TURGIS Anthony
3:   DEKKER David, HERMANS Quinten, REYNDERS Jens, STUYVEN Jasper, WOODS Michael
2:   BALLERINI Davide, BETTIOL Alberto, BRENNER Marco, DEGENKOLB John, DRUCKER Jempy, HAVIK Piotr, HOFSTETTER Hugo, LAWLESS Christopher, LIVYNS Arjen, LUTSENKO Alexey, NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias, OSS Daniel, PLANCKAERT Baptiste,
SARREAU Marc, SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias, TEUNS Dylan, VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 27, 2021, 23:54

Josedin has asked to take option B, so he gets his cheap picks back and loses a unique pick in Kasper Asgreen and receives (not his choice) Bob Jungels.

His team is now:
PEDERSEN Mads   
SENECHAL Florian   *
JUNGELS Bob   
BALLERINI Davide   
DEVENYNS Dries   *
TURGIS Anthony   
LIVYNS Arjen   
POLITT Nils   
DEKKER David   
VANMARCKE Sep   
PIDCOCK Thomas   
VANSEVENANT Mauri   

That means that BRENNER Marco, HAVIK Piotr, NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias, SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias become unique picks for Bminchow, Comodoro, ChrisDK and DJSprtsch respectively.  It also means that Vansevanant moves into the Collective Wisdom team in his own right, and the remainder of the score is 1/3 of the total of the remaining six men on six teams.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 01:52

Team popularity

rank	Team	Popularity	Unique picks	members of Coll Wisdom
1	AmisVelo	111	0	7
2	Armchair	110	0	8
3	Madrazo	102	0	7
4	SemirS	99	1	7
5	RoteLaterne	98	3	7
6	MellowVelo	97	1	7
7	Search	95	2	6
8	Bminchow	94	2	6
9	Otoxiep87	93	2	6
10	Leadbelly	89	2	5
11	Kazistuta	86	2	5
12	Googolplex	85	1	6
13	Comodoro	84	3	5
14	Ray10	82	4	6
14	Triley36	82	2	4
16	Josedin	80	2	5
17	JustSomeGuy	77	1	5
18	DJSprtsch	75	4	4
19	Blues_in_the_Bottle	70	4	4
20	Scrool07	63	5	3
21	Del1962	59	4	4
22	ChrisDK	29	5	1
	CollectiveWisdom	120	0	12

There is a tab for the similarity of teams (whence the final column above).  Armchair and Amis Velo share 8 riders, and the following combinations share 7:
Amis Velo and Kazistuta
Armchair and Madrazo
Armchair and Otoxiep
Armchair and Search
Madrazo and Search
Rote Laterne and SemirS

while there are no less than 11 teams with which ChrisDK's selection has nothing in common, any pair of teams that does not include ChrisDK has at least one overlap.


When the spreadsheet is put up, you will see that there are columns and placeholders for a "So Last Year" team, and scores of riders in this set of races last year.  I thought I had calculated these, but mistakes came to light, so I am ignoring that for this year, but keeping the facility in the spreadsheet, because I will reuse the formatting next year.

And when you see the spreadsheet (I will put up the link after I have processed today's races, but that will have to wait for tomorrow), you will notice several columns consisting purely of commas: that is so that I can produce tables here.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 12:24

Major Purchases

Even in the year following 2020, while so many riders are available at ridiculously low prices, the riders who we spend most on are a major part of what makes for success or failiure in the game.  So the picks of more than 500 points that we have are:

Van der Poel with Kragh: Ray10
   with GvA: Amis Velo, JSG, Rote Laterne
   with Stuyven: Blues in the Bottle
   only: Mellow Velo
      
Alaphilippe with Woods: Googolplex
   with Matthews and GvA: Leadbelly
   with Benoot: Otoxiep87
   with GvA: Armchair
      
Sagan with GvA: Bminchow, Scrooll, Del
   only: Kazistuta
      
Pedersen   with Senechal: Josedin   
   with Woods and GvA: Comodoro
   with GvA: DJSprtsch
   only: Triley36
      
Woods with GvA: Search

Lampaert with Stuyven: ChrisDK

GvA with Stuyven: Madrazo
   only: SemirS

And for the same reason that rare picks are noteworthy, rare misses might be too: JSG didn't select Vanmarcke, Scrooll overlooked Politt, and both Del and ChrisDK decided against both of those very popular picks.
 

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 13:15

So finally we actually get to the races.  I'll start with the simpler of yesterday's events:

Race 1; Ardeche Classic

Jonathan Hivert came 9th, scoring 28 CQ points for the only manager who picked him, Ray 10.
He was the only rider in the first 30, the point scorers, selected for the game.

errrm, standings
Ray10   28
Everyone else   0


In the Green Jersey competition, there are just as many points available in a 1.Pro race like this as there are in the monuments.  Points are distributed as CQ points are for a stage in the Tour de France: 80 for the winner, then 50, 35, 25, 15 down to 1 for 10th: points for a shared position are shared.  A manager's position in each race is the total of all his scorers.

So here Ray would get 80 points for winning, and everyone else would get 6.95 ( a 1/21 share of the total points 2nd to 10th).  To keep the numbers a bit neater, I will take 6.95 off everybody, including Ray, who thereby has a 73.05 to 0 lead over the field.

You don't really need to see that on a table do you?

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on February 28, 2021, 14:34

Sep wasn't a miss FWIW a conscious decision :lol

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 14:44

Race 2: Omloop het Nieuwsblad

Riders picked for the game

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1	BALLERINI Davide	180	2 (Josedin and Madrazo)
3	VANMARCKE Sep	92	19
5	GILBERT Philippe	70	7
7	SENECHAL Florian	54	1 (Josedin)
8	TRENTIN Matteo	46	5
10	POLITT Nils	36	19
11	GARCIA CORTINA Ivan	30	4
13	LAPORTE Christophe	24	8
14	DILLIER Silvan	22	1
15	TURGIS Anthony	20	4
16	COQUARD Bryan	18	1
19	NAESEN Oliver	12	12
23	ANDERSEN Søren Kragh	8	1
24	WELLENS Tim	7	6

and 26 other riders chosen for the game get 5 points for finishing.

Rank	Team	Points	Main scorers	Green pts
1	Madrazo	464	Ballerini/Vanmarcke/Gilbert/Politt/Garcia	80
2	Josedin	397	Ballerini/Vanmarcke/Senechal/Politt	50
3	SemirS	305	Vanmarcke/Gilbert/Trentin/Politt	35
4	Triley36	266	Vanmarcke/Gilbert/Trentin/Politt	25
5	MellowVelo	247		15
6	Comodoro	242		10
7	Ray10	240		4
7	RoteLaterne	240		4
9	Kazistuta	231		2
10	Bminchow	226		1
11	Search	216
12	AmisVelo	206
13	DJSprtsch	200
14	Otoxiep87	199
15	Armchair	194
16	Googolplex	172
17	Blues_in_the_Bottle	153
17	Leadbelly	153
19	Scrool07	116
20	JustSomeGuy	73
21	ChrisDK	40
22	Del1962	32
	CollectiveWisdom	258

In overall standings, Ray10 is 4th with 268, and everyone else is as they appear here (but one place lower for those 4th to 7th in this list)

And similarly, on Green points, Ray is second with 77.05, and everyone else's total is as here.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 17:41

Race 3: Drome Classic

He's only gone and done it again: another UP for Ray 10 is the only scorer.
Odd Christian Eiking gets 5 points for 21st place, and Ray gets those 5 main game points and 73.05 green points again.

Standings:
(no real change, but a chance to test changes in the spreadsheet)

Rank	Team	Points
1	Madrazo	464
2	Josedin	397
3	SemirS	305
5	Triley36	266
6	MellowVelo	247
7	Comodoro	242
4	Ray10	273
8	RoteLaterne	240
9	Kazistuta	231
10	Bminchow	226
11	Search	216
12	AmisVelo	206
13	DJSprtsch	200
14	Otoxiep87	199
15	Armchair	194
16	Googolplex	172
17	Blues_in_the_Bottle	153
17	Leadbelly	153
19	Scrool07	116
20	JustSomeGuy	73
21	ChrisDK	40
22	Del1962	32
	CollectiveWisdom	258

Green points
Ray seems to have found a profitable policy of getting the points on minor races

1	Ray10 150.1
2	Madrazo   80
3	Josedin   50
4	SemirS   35
5	Triley36   25
6	MellowVelo   15
7	Comodoro   10
8	RoteLaterne   4
9	Kazistuta   2
10	Bminchow   1

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 21:37

Race 4: Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1	PEDERSEN Mads	130	4
2	TURGIS Anthony	78	4
3	PIDCOCK Thomas	66	8
4	TRENTIN Matteo	58	5
6	COLBRELLI Sonny	46	1
7	POLITT Nils	40	19
8	VAN AVERMAET Greg	34	13
12	VAN DER POEL Mathieu	18	6
15	JANSEN Amund Grøndahl	12	6
16	NAESEN Oliver	10	12
17	DEGENKOLB John	9	2
19	LIVYNS Arjen	7	3
21	BENOOT Tiesj	5	1
22	STUYVEN Jasper	5	3
27	GOGL Michael	5	1
28	ANDERSEN Søren Kragh	5	1
30	TEUNS Dylan	5	2

Josedin got the entire podium (solution B to his being overbudget was definitely a good idea)

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	Josedin	321	Pedersen/Turgis/Pidcock/Politt	80
2	DJSprtsch	282	Pedersen/Turgis/Politt/van Avermaet	50
3	Triley36	247	Pedersen/Trentin/Politt	35
4	Comodoro	216	Pedersen/Politt/van Avermaet	25
5	Bminchow	198	Pidcock/Trentin/Politt/van Avermaet	15
6	AmisVelo	172		10
7	JustSomeGuy	170		5
8	Del1962	156		3
9	Leadbelly	147		2
10	MellowVelo	146		1
11	SemirS	142
12	Otoxiep87	140
13	Ray10	129
14	RoteLaterne	114
15	Kazistuta	113
16	Googolplex	106
17	Armchair	96
18	Madrazo	89
19	Search	84
20	ChrisDK	83
21	Blues_in_the_Bottle	73
22	Scrool07	53
	CollectiveWisdom	160

Green Jersey

		Green points	change in rank
1	Ray10	150.1	0
2	Josedin	130	1
3	Madrazo	80	-1
4	Triley36	60	1
5	DJSprtsch	50	6
6	Comodoro	35	1
6	SemirS	35	-2
8	Bminchow	16	2
8	MellowVelo	16	-2
10	AmisVelo	10	1
11	JustSomeGuy	5	0
12	RoteLaterne	4	-4
13	Del1962	3	-2
14	Leadbelly	2	-3
14	Kazistuta	2	-5
16	The rest	0	-5

Standings

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Josedin	718	1
2	Madrazo	553	-1
3	Triley36	513	2
4	DJSprtsch	482	9
5	Comodoro	458	2
6	SemirS	447	-3
7	Bminchow	424	3
8	Ray10	402	-4
9	MellowVelo	393	-3
10	AmisVelo	378	2
11	RoteLaterne	354	-3
12	Kazistuta	344	-3
13	Otoxiep87	339	1
14	Leadbelly	300	3
14	Search	300	-3
16	Armchair	290	-1
17	Googolplex	278	-1
18	JustSomeGuy	243	2
19	Blues_in_the_Bottle	226	-2
20	Del1962	188	2
21	Scrool07	169	-2
22	ChrisDK	123	-1
	CollectiveWisdom	418

I wish Le Samyn on Tuesday were a 1.Pro race so that I could include it here, but instead the next instalment will be Laigueglia on Wednesday.  That usually happens outside the timeframe of this game, so it is unusual to be including it.  Ray 10 will probably have a unique pick in the startlist somewhere.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2021, 22:23

And after 4 events, the state of the battle of the forums is


CN Forumites (Blues in the Bottle, Bminchow, Comodoro, Del1962, DJSprtsch, Googolplex, Kazistuta, Madrazo, Ray10, Scrooll07, SemirS, Triley36)  374
Team Velorooms (AmisVelo, ChrisDK, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Leadbelly, MellowVelo, Otoxiep87, RoteLaterne, Search) 350

And the spreadsheet is to be found, hopefully, here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view?usp=sharing).

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 03, 2021, 22:12

Race 5   Trofeo Laigueglia

One of the keys to this game is the balance between cobbled specialists and those for the hilly races.  If many people had been aiming for big scorers in the Ardennes, we might have seen more points here today.

Those relevant to the game:

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
3	VANSEVENANT Mauri	66	7
12	MADOUAS Valentin	18	1
15	DEVENYNS Dries	12	1
16	MOHORIC Matej	10	1

I'll take out the column for which riders yielded the points: it can easily be worked out.  This time I did give the large number of low scorers some decimal shrapnel of remaining points.

		This race	Green points
1	Kazistuta	84	80
2	Josedin	78	50
3	AmisVelo	66	18
3	Blues_in_the_Bottle	66	18
3	ChrisDK	66	18
3	Leadbelly	66	18
3	MellowVelo	66	18
8	Triley36	10	3
9	The rest	0	0.21
	CollectiveWisdom	66

Green Jersey

		Green points	change in rank
1	Josedin	180	1
2	Ray10	150.31	-1
3	Kazistuta	82	11
4	Madrazo	80.21	-1
5	Triley36	63	-1
6	DJSprtsch	50.21	-1
7	Comodoro	35.21	-1
7	SemirS	35.21	-1
9	MellowVelo	34	-1
10	AmisVelo	28	0
11	Leadbelly	20	3
12	Blues_in_the_Bottle	18	4
12	ChrisDK	18	4
14	Bminchow	16.21	-6
15	JustSomeGuy	5.21	-4
16	RoteLaterne	4.21	-4
17	Del1962	3.21	-4
18	Armchair	0.21	-2
18	Googolplex	0.21	-2
18	Otoxiep87	0.21	-2
18	Scrool07	0.21	-2
18	Search	0.21	-2

Standings

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Josedin	796	0
2	Madrazo	553	0
3	Triley36	523	0
4	DJSprtsch	482	0
5	MellowVelo	459	4
6	Comodoro	458	-1
7	SemirS	447	-1
8	AmisVelo	444	2
9	Kazistuta	428	3
10	Bminchow	424	-3
11	Ray10	402	-3
12	Leadbelly	366	2
13	RoteLaterne	354	-2
14	Otoxiep87	339	-1
15	Search	300	-1
16	Blues_in_the_Bottle	292	3
17	Armchair	290	-1
18	Googolplex	278	-1
19	JustSomeGuy	243	-1
20	ChrisDK	189	2
21	Del1962	188	-1
22	Scrool07	169	-1
	CollectiveWisdom	484

Less than a point between the forums:
CN  387.0         VR 387.8


Staying in Italy for two more races at the weekend. 

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 07, 2021, 00:58

Race 6  Strade Bianche and what a race it was.

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1	VAN DER POEL Mathieu	180	6
2	ALAPHILIPPE Julian	108	4
5	PIDCOCK Thomas	70	8
6	GOGL Michael	62	1 (Blues in the Bottle)
13	WELLENS Tim	24	6
19	VAN AVERMAET Greg	12	13
20	BARDET Romain	11	1
21	MADOUAS Valentin	10	1
23	BETTIOL Alberto	8	2

and five other finishers for 5 points each.

		This race	Scorers	Green points
1	JustSomeGuy	297	Van der Poel/Pidcock/Wellens/GvA/Bardet	80
2	Ray10	255	Van der Poel/Pidcock/fiver	50
3	Blues_in_the_Bottle	242	Van der Poel/Gogl	35
4	MellowVelo	204	Van der Poel/Wellens	25
5	RoteLaterne	197	Van der Poel/GvA/fiver	15
6	AmisVelo	192	Van der Poel/GvA	10
7	Leadbelly	190	Alaphilippe/Pidcock/GvA	5
8	Googolplex	183		3
9	Otoxiep87	178		2
10	Armchair	125		1
11	Bminchow	111
12	Del1962	87
13	Josedin	70
14	SemirS	54
15	Search	46
16	Scrool07	41
17	Madrazo	22
18	Kazistuta	15
19	Triley36	13
20	DJSprtsch	12
20	Comodoro	12
22	ChrisDK	0
	CollectiveWisdom	155

Green points overall

		Green points	change in rank
1	Ray10	200.31	1
2	Josedin	180	-1
3	JustSomeGuy	85.21	12
4	Kazistuta	82	-1
5	Madrazo	80.21	-1
6	Triley36	63	-1
7	MellowVelo	59	2
8	Blues_in_the_Bottle	53	4
9	DJSprtsch	50.21	-3
10	AmisVelo	38	0

Standings

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Josedin	866	0
2	MellowVelo	663	3
3	Ray10	657	8
4	AmisVelo	636	4
5	Madrazo	575	-3
6	Leadbelly	556	6
7	RoteLaterne	551	6
8	JustSomeGuy	540	11
9	Triley36	536	-6
10	Bminchow	535	0
11	Blues_in_the_Bottle	534	5
12	Otoxiep87	517	2
13	SemirS	501	-6
14	DJSprtsch	494	-10
15	Comodoro	470	-9
16	Googolplex	461	2
17	Kazistuta	443	-8
18	Armchair	415	-1
19	Search	346	-4
20	Del1962	275	1
21	Scrool07	210	1
22	ChrisDK	189	-2
	CollectiveWisdom	639

VeloRooms 540
CyclingNews  474

Industry and Art tomorrow: I see Davide Rebellin is on the start list, but no-one has chosen him.  I'm not expecting it to be a big scorer.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 08, 2021, 00:47

Race 7   GP Industria & Artigianato  Was it on TV anywhere? I know nothing other than the result.

Only one of the first 30 finishers had been chosen by any of us.  But that one finisher was the winner, has gained a massive return on his cost, and was on seven teams: Mauri Vansevenant wins 130 points for:
Amis Velo
Blues in the Bottle
ChrisDK
Josedin
Kazistuta
Leadbelly
Mellow Velo

and they each get 31.03 green points each  (I'm deducting the 0.4 points that arise from the sum of 8th to tenth divided by the 15 non-scorers from every team)

Green point standings
Josedin and Ray seem to be taking it in turns to lead this

		Green points	change in rank
1	Josedin	211.03	1
2	Ray10	200.31	-1
3	Kazistuta	113.03	1
4	MellowVelo	90.03	3
5	JustSomeGuy	85.21	-2
6	Blues_in_the_Bottle	84.03	2
7	Madrazo	80.21	-2
8	AmisVelo	69.03	2
9	Triley36	63	-3
10	Leadbelly	56.03	3
11	DJSprtsch	50.21	-2
12	ChrisDK	49.03	3

Standings
The top five all have Vansevenant

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Josedin	996	0
2	MellowVelo	793	0
3	AmisVelo	766	1
4	Leadbelly	686	2
5	Blues_in_the_Bottle	664	6
6	Ray10	657	-3
7	Madrazo	575	-2
8	Kazistuta	573	9
9	RoteLaterne	551	-2
10	JustSomeGuy	540	-2
11	Triley36	536	-2
12	Bminchow	535	-2
13	Otoxiep87	517	-1
14	SemirS	501	-1
15	DJSprtsch	494	-1
16	Comodoro	470	-1
17	Googolplex	461	-1
18	Armchair	415	0
19	Search	346	0
20	ChrisDK	319	2
21	Del1962	275	-1
22	Scrool07	210	-1
	CollectiveWisdom	769

Velorooms  613
Cycling News 496

The racing calendar focuses on on week events for the next week and a bit: the next part of this game is Nokere Koerse on Wednesday week.  My update may be late if I am celebrating St Patrick's Day.
 

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 17, 2021, 22:45

Race 8: Nokere Koerse

After a week or so off for the one week races, the one day races are back with not much of a bang.

Position		Points	Teams
8	HALVORSEN Kristoffer	34	1 (Rote Laterne)
13	THEUNS Edward	16	6
19	SARREAU Marc	7	2
20	VANMARCKE Sep	6	19
30	LIVYNS Arjen	5	3

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	RoteLaterne	56	Halvorsen Theuns and Vanmarcke	80
2	Otoxiep87	27	Theuns   Vanmarcke and Livyns	50
3=	MellowVelo	22	Theuns & Vanmarcke	25
3=	Bminchow	22	"	25
3=	SemirS	22	"	25
6	JustSomeGuy	16	Theuns	10
7=	Armchair	13	Sarreau & Vanmarcke	4
7=	Search	13	"	4
9=	Josedin	11	Vanmarcke & Livyns	1.5
9=	Leadbelly	11	"	1.5
11=	Most of the rest	6	Vanmarcke
21=	ChrisDK & Del1962	0
	CollectiveWisdom	11

Green points

		Green points	change in rank
1	Josedin	212.53	0
2	Ray10	200.31	0
3	MellowVelo	115.03	1
4	Kazistuta	113.03	-1
5	RoteLaterne	99.21	10
6	JustSomeGuy	95.21	-1
7	Blues_in_the_Bottle	84.03	-1
8	Madrazo	80.21	-1
9	AmisVelo	69.03	-1
10	Triley36	63	-1
11	SemirS	60.21	2
12	Leadbelly	57.53	-2
13	Otoxiep87	52.21	6

Standings

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Josedin	1007	0
2	MellowVelo	815	0
3	AmisVelo	772	0
4	Leadbelly	697	0
5	Blues_in_the_Bottle	670	0
6	Ray10	663	0
7	RoteLaterne	607	2
8	Madrazo	581	-1
9	Kazistuta	579	-1
10	Bminchow	557	2
11	JustSomeGuy	556	-1
12	Otoxiep87	544	1
13	Triley36	542	-2
14	SemirS	523	0
15	DJSprtsch	500	0
16	Comodoro	476	0
17	Googolplex	467	0
18	Armchair	428	0
19	Search	359	0
20	ChrisDK	319	0
21	Del1962	275	0
22	Scrool07	216	0
	CollectiveWisdom	780

Something similar to be expected on Friday in Koksijde, then the first of the classics and hopefully some large scores on Saturday.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 19, 2021, 09:23

I have no intention of delaying confirmation of the result until 19 September, so the Frankfurt race is out for this year (unless fewer than 15 take place on the original dates and I do a redux, per the OP, but thankfully that is looking less and less likely).

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 19, 2021, 23:15

Race 9: Bredene Koksijde Classic

Rather more points than I had expected, but so many of them were earned by one almost ubiquitous choice means that it doesn't make so much difference.

Race position		Points	Teams
1	MERLIER Tim	130	1 (Chris DK)
2	PEDERSEN Mads	78	4
3	SENECHAL Florian	66	1 (Josedin)
9	POLITT Nils	28	19
11	HALVORSEN Kristoffer	20	1 (Rote Laterne)

		This race	Scorers	Green points
1	Josedin	172	Pedersen/Senechal/Politt	80
2	ChrisDK	130	Merlier	50
3=	Comodoro	106	Pedersen/Politt	25
3=	DJSprtsch	106	"	25
3=	Triley36	106	"	25
6	RoteLaterne	48	Halvorsen/Politt	10
7=	Most of the rest	28	Politt	0.79 each
21=	Del1962 & Scrooll07	0
	CollectiveWisdom	28

Green point positions

In this, as in the main competition, Josedin extends his lead by being top on the day.

		Green points	change in rank
1	Josedin	292.53	0
2	Ray10	201.1	0
3	MellowVelo	115.82	0
4	Kazistuta	113.82	0
5	RoteLaterne	109.21	0
6	ChrisDK	99.03	9
7	JustSomeGuy	96	-1
8	Triley36	88	2
9	Blues_in_the_Bottle	84.82	-2
10	Madrazo	81	-2
11	DJSprtsch	75.21	3
12	AmisVelo	69.82	-3
13	SemirS	61	-2
14	Comodoro	60.21	3

Standings
Josedin's lead becomes almost intimidating, but he has none of the big favourites for Milan-San Remo tomorrow, and that has a much more generous point scale.  I suspect it will not look as much of a lost cause for the also rans by this time tomorrow.

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Josedin	1179	0
2	MellowVelo	843	0
3	AmisVelo	800	0
4	Leadbelly	725	0
5	Blues_in_the_Bottle	698	0
6	Ray10	691	0
7	RoteLaterne	655	0
8	Triley36	648	5
9	Madrazo	609	-1
10	Kazistuta	607	-1
11	DJSprtsch	606	4
12	Bminchow	585	-2
13	JustSomeGuy	584	-2
14	Comodoro	582	2
15	Otoxiep87	572	-3
16	SemirS	551	-2
17	Googolplex	495	0
18	Armchair	456	0
19	ChrisDK	449	1
20	Search	387	-1
21	Del1962	275	0
22	Scrool07	216	0
	CollectiveWisdom	808

Forum Averages
Cycling News  547
Velorooms 688

The top 4 all come from VR


Six teams have Van der Poel for tomorrow, and four have Alaphilippe; none have Van Aert.  Who will be harvesting the bigger points available?

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 20, 2021, 18:28

Race 10: Milan-San Remo

Not the main scorers that we might have expected, but lots of points and movement in the tables.

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1	STUYVEN Jasper	280	3
4	SAGAN Peter	125	4
5	VAN DER POEL Mathieu	112	6
6	MATTHEWS Michael	100	1
8	COLBRELLI Sonny	80	1
9	ANDERSEN Søren Kragh	70	1
10	TURGIS Anthony	62	4
11	MOHORIC Matej	54	1
12	TRENTIN Matteo	46	5
13	VAN AVERMAET Greg	42	13
15	PIDCOCK Thomas	34	8
16	ALAPHILIPPE Julian	32	4
21	NAESEN Oliver	22	12
22	LAPORTE Christophe	20	8
27	BARDET Romain	10	1
30	GARCIA CORTINA Ivan	6	4

and 22 other finishers getting 5 points each.

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	Blues_in_the_Bottle	412	Stuyven & vdPoel	80
2	Madrazo	395	Stuyven/van Avermaet/Naesen/Laporte	50
3	ChrisDK	362	Stuyven/Turgis	35
4	Del1962	313	Sagan/Colbrelli/van Avermaet/Pidcock/Naesen	25
5	Bminchow	258	Sagan/Trentin/van Avermaet/Pidcock	15
6	Ray10	246	vdPoel/Kragh Andersen/Pidcock/Laporte	10
7	AmisVelo	227		5
8	Leadbelly	213		3
9	JustSomeGuy	208		2
10	MellowVelo	206		1
11	Kazistuta	204
12	Scrool07	199
13	RoteLaterne	191
14	Triley36	142
15	SemirS	135
16	DJSprtsch	134
17	Armchair	126
18	Otoxiep87	113
19	Search	105
20	Josedin	101
21	Googolplex	91
22	Comodoro	67
	CollectiveWisdom	169

ChrisDK has had the winner two days in a row.

Green standings

		Green points	change in rank
1	Josedin	292.53	0
2	Ray10	211.1	0
3	Blues_in_the_Bottle	164.82	6
4	ChrisDK	134.03	2
5	Madrazo	131	5
6	MellowVelo	116.82	-3
7	Kazistuta	113.82	-3
8	RoteLaterne	109.21	-3
9	JustSomeGuy	98	-2
10	Triley36	88	-2
11	DJSprtsch	75.21	0
12	AmisVelo	74.82	0
13	Leadbelly	61.32	2
14	SemirS	61	-1
15	Comodoro	60.21	-1
16	Bminchow	57	1
17	Otoxiep87	53	-1
18	Del1962	28.21	3
19	Armchair	6	-1
20	Search	5	-1
21	Googolplex	4	-1
22	Scrool07	0.21	0

Standings
Josedin had only Turgis and Pidcock of the top 20, and nearly everyone has made up ground on him.  He still has a considerable lead, but it looks a little less intimidating than it was.
Chris is the big mover, Blues and Madrazo may be the more significant ones.

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Josedin	1280	0
2	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1110	3
3	MellowVelo	1049	-1
4	AmisVelo	1027	-1
5	Madrazo	1004	4
6	Leadbelly	938	-2
7	Ray10	937	-1
8	RoteLaterne	846	-1
9	Bminchow	843	3
10	ChrisDK	811	9
10	Kazistuta	811	0
12	JustSomeGuy	792	1
13	Triley36	790	-5
14	DJSprtsch	740	-3
15	SemirS	686	1
16	Otoxiep87	685	-1
17	Comodoro	649	-3
18	Del1962	588	3
19	Googolplex	586	-2
20	Armchair	582	-2
21	Search	492	-1
22	Scrool07	415	0
	CollectiveWisdom	977

Battle of the forums
CN 763
VR  880

Back up to Belgium for the next 4 events, the pre-Ronde races, starting with De Panne on Wednesday.  Until then, browse the numbers (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view?usp=sharing) at your leisure.

The update attempt on CN ground to a halt for me, I'll try that again later.  VR gets the first view of today's effects.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 24, 2021, 23:23

Race 11: De Panne (Oxyclean if you must)

Even at 2020 prices, top sprinters are a bit pricey for this game.

Those in today's race that were selected by our managers:

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
6	HOFSTETTER Hugo	62	2
7	BOL Cees	54	1
9	VIVIANI Elia	40	1
15	VERMEERSCH Florian	20	1
16	COLBRELLI Sonny	18	1
18	HALVORSEN Kristoffer	14	1

and 10 of the other finishers, who get 5 points each


Points earned today:

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	ChrisDK	67	Hofstetter and a fiver	80
2	Madrazo	62	Hofstetter	50
3	Kazistuta	54	Bol	35
4	DJSprtsch	45	Viviani	25
5	RoteLaterne	24	Halvorsen and 2 fivers	15
6	Scrool07	20	Vermeersch	10
7	Del1962	18	Colbrelli	5
8=	Josedin	10		1.5
8=	JustSomeGuy	10		1.5
8=	MellowVelo	10		1.5
8=	Search	10		1.5
12=	Most other teams	5
20=	AmisVelo/BitB/Triley	0
	CollectiveWisdom	2

Green standings

		Green points	change in rank
1	Josedin	294.03	0
2	ChrisDK	214.03	2
3	Ray10	211.1	-1
4	Madrazo	181	1
5	Blues_in_the_Bottle	164.82	-2
6	Kazistuta	148.82	1
7	RoteLaterne	124.21	1
8	MellowVelo	118.32	-2
9	DJSprtsch	100.21	2
10	JustSomeGuy	99.5	-1
11	Triley36	88	-1
12	AmisVelo	74.82	0
13	Leadbelly	61.32	0
14	SemirS	61	0
15	Comodoro	60.21	0
16	Bminchow	57	0
17	Otoxiep87	53	0
18	Del1962	33.21	0
19	Scrool07	10.21	3
20	Search	6.5	0
21	Armchair	6	-2
22	Googolplex	4	-1

Standings

It doesn't need to be a big scoring race to bring about a considerable change near the top, as Madrazo demonstrates.

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Josedin	1290	0
2	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1110	0
3	Madrazo	1066	2
4	MellowVelo	1059	-1
5	AmisVelo	1027	-1
6	Leadbelly	943	0
7	Ray10	942	0
8	ChrisDK	878	2
9	RoteLaterne	870	-1
10	Kazistuta	865	0
11	Bminchow	848	-2
12	JustSomeGuy	802	0
13	Triley36	790	0
14	DJSprtsch	785	0
15	SemirS	691	0
16	Otoxiep87	690	0
17	Comodoro	654	0
18	Del1962	606	0
19	Googolplex	591	0
20	Armchair	587	0
21	Search	502	0
22	Scrool07	435	0
	CollectiveWisdom	979

E3 on Friday should see more of the riders that we have chosen.  But will they score decent points?

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 27, 2021, 00:10

Race 12: E3 Harelbeke 

Not quite as many points as Omloop or Milan-San Remo, but pretty high scores today. 

Nobody chose Asgreen, but Josedin, top of the table, had runner up Senechal as a unique pick.

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
2	SENECHAL Florian	132	1
3	VAN DER POEL Mathieu	112	6
4	NAESEN Oliver	96	12
5	STYBAR Zdenek	86	7
6	VAN AVERMAET Greg	76	13
12	TURGIS Anthony	35	4
13	LAMPAERT Yves	30	1
14	STUYVEN Jasper	27	3
15	BENOOT Tiesj	24	1
16	VERMEERSCH Florian	21	1
17	DE BUYST Jasper	19	1
18	TRENTIN Matteo	18	5
24	VAN DER HOORN Taco	12	1
25	PIDCOCK Thomas	11	8
26	BALLERINI Davide	10	2
27	GARCIA CORTINA Ivan	9	4
29	DEGENKOLB John	7	2
30	VANMARCKE Sep	6	19

And 11 of the remaining finishers, who each get 5 points, were chosen.

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	RoteLaterne	386	VdPoel/Naesen/Stybar/VanAvermaet	80
2	Madrazo	315	Naesen/Stybar/VanAvermaet/Stuyven	50
3	AmisVelo	313	VdPoel/Naesen/VanAvermaet/Trentin	35
4	SemirS	292	Naesen/Stybar/VanAvermaet/Trentin	25
5	Search	278	Naesen/Stybar/VanAvermaet	15
6	Armchair	269		10
7	MellowVelo	254		5
8	Ray10	225		3
9	JustSomeGuy	209		2
10	Scrool07	206		1
11	Josedin	204
12	Del1962	188
13	Blues_in_the_Bottle	167
14	Otoxiep87	147
15	Triley36	137
16	DJSprtsch	136
17	Kazistuta	134
18	Bminchow	125
19	Googolplex	108
20	Leadbelly	103
21	ChrisDK	92
22	Comodoro	82
	CollectiveWisdom	316

Leading Green point totals

		Green points	change in rank
1	Josedin	294.03	0
2	Madrazo	231	2
3	Ray10	214.1	0
4	ChrisDK	214.03	-2
5	RoteLaterne	204.21	2
6	Blues_in_the_Bottle	164.82	-1
7	Kazistuta	148.82	-1
8	MellowVelo	123.32	0
9	AmisVelo	109.82	3
10	JustSomeGuy	101.5	0

Standings

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Josedin	1494	0
2	Madrazo	1381	1
3	AmisVelo	1340	2
4	MellowVelo	1313	0
5	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1277	-3
6	RoteLaterne	1256	3
7	Ray10	1167	0
8	Leadbelly	1046	-2
9	JustSomeGuy	1011	3
10	Kazistuta	999	0
11	SemirS	983	4
12	Bminchow	973	-1
13	ChrisDK	970	-5
14	Triley36	927	-1
15	DJSprtsch	921	-1
16	Armchair	856	4
17	Otoxiep87	837	-1
18	Del1962	794	0
19	Search	780	2
20	Comodoro	736	-3
21	Googolplex	699	-2
22	Scrool07	641	0
	CollectiveWisdom	1294

The 11 day tour of Flanders continues into Wevelgem on Sunday.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 29, 2021, 13:32

Race 13: Gent-Wevelgem

Wout van Aert, although he has taken more points in the races that make up this game than anyone else, was presumably deemed too expensive by all the managers.  But plenty of managers had interest in that breakaway.

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
3	TRENTIN Matteo	112	5
4	COLBRELLI Sonny	96	1
5	MATTHEWS Michael	86	1
9	TURGIS Anthony	52	4
12	VAN AVERMAET Greg	35	13
14	LAMPAERT Yves	27	1
16	NAESEN Oliver	21	12
18	GARCIA CORTINA Ivan	18	4
25	STYBAR Zdenek	11	7
27	DEGENKOLB John	9	2

and 11 of the other finishers, for 5 points, were also selected.

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	SemirS	184	Trentin/van Avermaet/Naesen/Stybar	80
2	AmisVelo	173	Trentin/van Avermaet/Naesen	50
3	Bminchow	165	Trentin/van Avermaet/Garcia	35
4	Kazistuta	156	Trentin/Naesen/Garcia	25
5	Del1962	152	Colbrelli/van Avermaet/Naesen	15
6	Triley36	147	Trentin/Naesen/Degenkolb	10
7	Leadbelly	121	Matthews/van Avermaet	5
8	Madrazo	105		3
9	DJSprtsch	97		2
10	ChrisDK	94		1
11	Search	90
12	MellowVelo	78
13	Armchair	77
14	RoteLaterne	72
15	Scrool07	65
16	Josedin	57
17	Comodoro	45
18	JustSomeGuy	40
19	Otoxiep87	31
20	Ray10	21
20	Googolplex	21
22	Blues_in_the_Bottle	0
	CollectiveWisdom	74

Leading Green points

		Green points	change in rank
1	Josedin	294.03	0
2	Madrazo	234	0
3	ChrisDK	215.03	1
4	Ray10	214.1	-1
5	RoteLaterne	204.21	0
6	Kazistuta	173.82	1
7	SemirS	166	6
8	Blues_in_the_Bottle	164.82	-2
9	AmisVelo	159.82	0
10	MellowVelo	123.32	-2

Standings

Josedin has been in the lead since the opening weekend, and four races ago he had a margin of 336: now it is down to 38.

1	Josedin	1551	0
2	AmisVelo	1513	1
3	Madrazo	1486	-1
4	MellowVelo	1391	0
5	RoteLaterne	1328	1
6	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1277	-1
7	Ray10	1188	0
8	SemirS	1167	3
8	Leadbelly	1167	0
10	Kazistuta	1155	0
11	Bminchow	1138	1
12	Triley36	1074	2
13	ChrisDK	1064	0
14	JustSomeGuy	1051	-5
15	DJSprtsch	1018	0
16	Del1962	946	2
17	Armchair	933	-1
18	Search	870	1
19	Otoxiep87	868	-2
20	Comodoro	781	0
21	Googolplex	720	0
22	Scrool07	706	0
	CollectiveWisdom	1368

Cycling News average:1055
Velorooms:1200

Next up, Dwars door Vlaanderen, and the final appearance of puppy paws and top-tubing.
Spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view?usp=sharing)

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on March 31, 2021, 23:46

Race 14: Dwars door Vlaanderen

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
2	LAPORTE Christophe	108	8
3	MERLIER Tim	92	1
4	LAMPAERT Yves	78	1
7	VAN AVERMAET Greg	54	13
8	TURGIS Anthony	46	4
9	SENECHAL Florian	40	1
10	STUYVEN Jasper	36	3
14	COQUARD Bryan	22	1
17	LIVYNS Arjen	16	3
19	NAESEN Oliver	12	12
20	TRENTIN Matteo	11	5
22	ALAPHILIPPE Julian	9	4
23	BENOOT Tiesj	8	1

and no less than 19 other finishers, each scoring 5 points.

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	ChrisDK	272	Merlier/Lampaert/Turgis/Stuyven	80
2	DJSprtsch	235	Laporte/van Avermaet/Turgis/Coquard	50
3	Madrazo	230	Laporte/van Avermaet/Stuyven	35
4	Armchair	198		25
5	Search	189		15
6	Otoxiep87	173		10
7	Comodoro	172		5
8	Googolplex	132		3
9	Ray10	123		2
10	Josedin	112		1
11	AmisVelo	97
11	SemirS	97
13	Leadbelly	89
14	RoteLaterne	86
15	Bminchow	85
16	JustSomeGuy	84
17	Del1962	81
18	MellowVelo	73
19	Scrool07	71
20	Blues_in_the_Bottle	61
21	Kazistuta	48
22	Triley36	33
	CollectiveWisdom	191

Green points

A tie!

		Green points	change in rank
1	ChrisDK	295.03	2
1	Josedin	295.03	0
3	Madrazo	269	-1
4	Ray10	216.1	0
5	RoteLaterne	204.21	0
6	Kazistuta	173.82	0
7	SemirS	166	0
8	Blues_in_the_Bottle	164.82	0
9	AmisVelo	159.82	0
10	DJSprtsch	152.21	1

Standings

Change at the top, for the first time in ten races. 

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Madrazo	1716	2
2	Josedin	1663	-1
3	AmisVelo	1610	-1
4	MellowVelo	1464	0
5	RoteLaterne	1414	0
6	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1338	0
7	ChrisDK	1336	6
8	Ray10	1311	-1
9	SemirS	1264	-1
10	Leadbelly	1256	-2
11	DJSprtsch	1253	4
12	Bminchow	1223	-1
13	Kazistuta	1203	-3
14	JustSomeGuy	1135	0
15	Armchair	1131	2
16	Triley36	1107	-4
17	Search	1059	1
18	Otoxiep87	1041	1
19	Del1962	1027	-3
20	Comodoro	953	0
21	Googolplex	852	0
22	Scrool07	777	0
	CollectiveWisdom	1559

Cycling News: 1169
Velorooms: 1331


Next up is the big one on Saturday.  Well, Big Mig anyway, the GP Indurain.  But I think I can only find three riders who have been selected for the game on the startlist for that one.  Sunday though...

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 03, 2021, 19:39

Race 15: GP Indurain
I was right, there were only three riders selected for the game in the race, but they all finished in the top ten.

Lutsenko's second place earns 78 points, and 65 green points, for Del1962 and DJSprtsch; Neilands came  6th, getting 46 (35 green) for ChrisDK, and De Plus finished 10th, scoring 24 for Triley36 (25 green points).  Everyone else gets 2 green points, because that's the way it works.

In the green classification ChrisDK breaks the tie with Josedin, and moves into a 33 point lead, DJS and Del each move up 5 places, to 5th and 13th respectively, and Triley moves up one spot.

In the main overall, Chris moves up one spot to 6th, DJS up 3 to 8th, Triley up one spot and Del up two.

Tomorrow's update should take longer, and make the tables worthwhile.  For the 4 people who might be bothered to see today's data, the tables are in the usual place. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view)

And according to the principle that I put in the opening post, with 15 races having been staged, I will not be re-opening the game for any events postponed to the autumn, which means that the game finishes in Liege.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 05, 2021, 13:07

Race 16: Ronde van Vlaanderen

For the 6th race in a row, nobody picked the winner, but even so, the scores in this race were massive.

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
2	VAN DER POEL Mathieu	170	6
3	VAN AVERMAET Greg	145	13
4	STUYVEN Jasper	125	3
5	VANMARCKE Sep	112	19
8	TURGIS Anthony	80	4
9	SENECHAL Florian	70	1
11	LAPORTE Christophe	54	8
12	BENOOT Tiesj	46	1
15	SAGAN Peter	34	4
17	LAMPAERT Yves	30	1
21	MATTHEWS Michael	22	1
22	POLITT Nils	20	19
23	GARCIA CORTINA Ivan	18	4
24	HOFSTETTER Hugo	16	2
25	WELLENS Tim	14	6
28	BETTIOL Alberto	8	2
30	DEGENKOLB John	6	2

and twenty 5 point finishers.

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	Madrazo	500	Van Avermaet/Stuyven/Vanmarcke/Laporte	80
2	AmisVelo	462	Van der Poel/Van Avermaet/Vanmarcke	42.5
2	RoteLaterne	462	Van der Poel/Van Avermaet/Vanmarcke	42.5
4	Blues_in_the_Bottle	447	Van der Poel/Van Avermaet/Vanmarcke	25
5	DJSprtsch	411	Van der Poel/Stuyven/Vanmarcke	15
6	MellowVelo	406	Van Avermaet/Vanmarcke/Turgis/Laporte	10
7	Search	373	Van der Poel/Vanmarcke/Turgis	5
8	Ray10	371		3
9	JustSomeGuy	364		2
10	Bminchow	358		1
11	Armchair	346
12	Comodoro	331
13	SemirS	319
13	Leadbelly	319
15	Scrool07	316
16	Josedin	297
17	Otoxiep87	262
18	ChrisDK	256
19	Kazistuta	209
20	Googolplex	201
21	Del1962	199
22	Triley36	161
	CollectiveWisdom	406

Obviously the 2020 suppression of points in the cost of riders helped, but I am fairly sure we have not had race scores anything like that high in the Classics game before.

Green points
If it is not inappropriate to apply stage race analogies to a Classics game, Madrazo was already in yellow, and won the stage, thereby taking the green jersey too.  Though I guess ChrisDK will have to wear green while watching Scheldeprijs on Wednesday.

		Green points	change in rank
1	Madrazo	351	2
2	ChrisDK	330.03	-1
3	Josedin	297.03	-1
4	RoteLaterne	248.71	2
5	DJSprtsch	232.21	0
6	Ray10	221.1	-2
7	AmisVelo	204.32	3
8	Blues_in_the_Bottle	191.82	1
9	Kazistuta	175.82	-2
10	SemirS	168	-2
11	MellowVelo	135.32	0
12	Triley36	123	0
13	Del1962	113.21	0
14	JustSomeGuy	105.5	0
15	Bminchow	95	0
16	Leadbelly	68.32	0
17	Comodoro	67.21	0
18	Otoxiep87	65	0
19	Search	43.5	1
20	Armchair	43	-1
21	Scrool07	13.21	0
22	Googolplex	9	0

Standings

The top 6 teams in the Ronde were all already in the top eight here,  so the big scores did not shake up the table as much as they might have.  Amis Velo moving to second is the most significant change, but 500 points today gives Madrazo a healthy margin at the pivotal point of the game.

1	Madrazo	2216	0
2	AmisVelo	2072	1
3	Josedin	1960	-1
4	RoteLaterne	1876	1
5	MellowVelo	1870	-1
6	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1785	1
7	DJSprtsch	1742	1
8	Ray10	1682	1
9	ChrisDK	1638	-3
10	SemirS	1583	0
11	Bminchow	1581	1
12	Leadbelly	1575	-1
13	JustSomeGuy	1499	1
14	Armchair	1477	1
15	Search	1432	3
16	Kazistuta	1412	-3
17	Del1962	1304	0
18	Otoxiep87	1303	1
19	Triley36	1292	-4
20	Comodoro	1284	0
21	Scrool07	1093	1
22	Googolplex	1053	-1
	CollectiveWisdom	1964
	SoLastYear	0

CN 1502
VR  1692

With the postponement of Paris-Roubaix beyond the time frame of this game, we have now reached the end of scoring for those picks who specialise in the bumpy roads, and (after the sprinters' roller derby in Scheldeprijs and the strange in-between that is the Brabantse Pijl) it will be down to what spaces we left in our teams for the hill climbers.

It looks like it is for Philippe Gilbert to defend Madrazo's lead in the Ardennes against whatever Jungels and Vansevenant might manage for Amis Velo and Josedin, but as ever, something unexpected might happen, and it could all be a matter of who will have most guys trailing in with the grupetto for five points.

Wednesday brings us back here for Scheldeprijs, but the main scorers there tend to be expensive sprinters who are not widely picked in the game.  But with Merlier (ChrisDK) and Bol (Kazistuta) we might get something other than scraps.

See you then.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 07, 2021, 23:48

Race 17: Scheldeprijs

Not just the group ride to the bunch gallop this time.

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
9	SARREAU Marc	28	2
14	POLITT Nils	14	19
18	HAVIK Piotr	8	1
20	BOL Cees	6	1
26	DEWULF Stan	5	1

As I suspected, not much more than scraps, but at least a popular pick means there are scraps for plenty of us.

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1=	Armchair	42	Sarreau & Politt	65
1=	Search	42	Sarreau & Politt	65
3	Comodoro	22	Politt & Havik	35
4	Kazistuta	20	Polott & Bol	25
5	Blues_in_the_Bottle	19	Politt & Merlier	15
6=	Most of the rest	14	Politt	1.5 each
20=	ChrisDK  Del1962  Scrooll07	0
	CollectiveWisdom	14

Green points

		Green points	change in rank
1	Madrazo	352.5	0
2	ChrisDK	330.03	0
3	Josedin	298.53	0
4	RoteLaterne	250.21	0
5	DJSprtsch	233.71	0
6	Ray10	222.6	0
7	Blues_in_the_Bottle	206.82	1
8	AmisVelo	205.82	-1
9	Kazistuta	200.82	0
10	SemirS	169.5	0

Standings
Of the top ten, only Blues in the Bottle had anyone other than Politt, and only ChrisDK lacks him.

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Madrazo	2230	0
2	AmisVelo	2086	0
3	Josedin	1974	0
4	RoteLaterne	1890	0
5	MellowVelo	1884	0
6	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1804	0
7	DJSprtsch	1756	0
8	Ray10	1696	0
9	ChrisDK	1638	0
10	SemirS	1597	0
11	Bminchow	1595	0
12	Leadbelly	1589	0
13	Armchair	1519	1
14	JustSomeGuy	1513	-1
15	Search	1474	0
16	Kazistuta	1432	0
17	Otoxiep87	1317	1
18	Comodoro	1306	2
18	Triley36	1306	1
20	Del1962	1304	-3
21	Scrool07	1093	0
22	Googolplex	1067	0
	CollectiveWisdom	1978

4 events left, but an unscheduled weekend off: Brabantse Pijl next Wednesday is our next appointment.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on April 08, 2021, 08:48

It's gonna be unusual heading into these latter events with some riders to cheer on for once - Alaphilippe, Matthews, GVA, Vansevenant, Pidcock and maybe Jorgenson. Making up 650 points though is probably asking too much.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 15, 2021, 10:07

Race 18  Brabantse Pijl

For the first time since Milan-San Remo, the race winner appears in some of our teams.

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1	PIDCOCK Thomas	130	8
3	TRENTIN Matteo	66	5
7	TEUNS Dylan	40	2
12	VAN AVERMAET Greg	18	13
14	MADOUAS Valentin	14	1
18	LAPORTE Christophe	8	8

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	Bminchow	214	Pidcock/Trentin/Van Avermaet	80
2	Leadbelly	148	Pidcock/Van Avermaet	36.66
2	JustSomeGuy	148	"	36.66
2	Del1962	148	"	36.66
5	Ray10	138	Pidcock/Laporte	10
5	Otoxiep87	138	"	10
5	Googolplex	138	"	10
8	Josedin	130	Pidcock	3
9	Kazistuta	120	Trentin/Teuns/Madouas	2
10	AmisVelo	84		0.5
10	SemirS	84		0.5
12	Triley36	66
13	Blues_in_the_Bottle	40
14	Madrazo	26
14	DJSprtsch	26
14	Armchair	26
14	Search	26
14	Comodoro	26
19	RoteLaterne	18
19	Scrool07	18
21	MellowVelo	0
21	ChrisDK	0
	CollectiveWisdom	156

Green points
Any manager could score, in theory, another 240 points, if they topscore in the three remaining events, which would mean that anyone down to Triley in 15th could still win.

		Green points	change in rank
1	Madrazo	352.5	0
2	ChrisDK	330.03	0
3	Josedin	301.53	0
4	RoteLaterne	250.21	0
5	DJSprtsch	233.71	0
6	Ray10	232.6	0
7	Blues_in_the_Bottle	206.82	0
8	AmisVelo	206.32	0
9	Kazistuta	202.82	0
10	Bminchow	176.5	8

Standings

The leader failed to score, and the team in 3rd outscored that in second: it is bunching up at the top.

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Madrazo	2256	0
2	AmisVelo	2170	0
3	Josedin	2104	0
4	RoteLaterne	1908	0
5	MellowVelo	1884	0
6	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1844	0
7	Ray10	1834	1
8	Bminchow	1809	3
9	DJSprtsch	1782	-2
10	Leadbelly	1737	2
11	SemirS	1681	-1
12	JustSomeGuy	1661	2
13	ChrisDK	1638	-4
14	Kazistuta	1552	2
15	Armchair	1545	-2
16	Search	1500	-1
17	Otoxiep87	1455	0
18	Del1962	1452	2
19	Triley36	1372	-1
20	Comodoro	1332	-2
21	Googolplex	1205	1
22	Scrool07	1111	-1
	CollectiveWisdom	2134

CN:  1602
VR: 1784

The leader seems to be running out of steam, and two are chasing him down relentlessly.  As we head into the final hills, it seems that these three will comprise the podium, but in what order?  Or will someone emerge, like Cosnefroy, to try to chase them down?  And if so, will it turn out not to be Cosnefroy-esque, but more like AGR 2019?  The race situation in Brabantse Pijl and our game seem to be echoes of each other.  I had overlooked Pidcock in my summary of who might hold the key in my post-Ronde roundup: neither I nor Wout Van Aert should have underestimated him.

Spreadsheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h/view?usp=sharing)

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 20, 2021, 23:10

Sorry it's been delayed: RL interfering

Race 19  Amstel Gold Race

I thought for a while we might have to share the points from 1st and 2nd...

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
2	PIDCOCK Thomas	132	8
4	MATTHEWS Michael	96	1
6	ALAPHILIPPE Julian	76	4
9	MOHORIC Matej	52	1
12	TRENTIN Matteo	35	5
13	VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael	30	2
15	BENOOT Tiesj	24	1
20	HERMANS Quinten	16	2
26	VAN AVERMAET Greg	10	13
27	MADOUAS Valentin	9	1
29	WELLENS Tim	7	6

and 15 5-pointers.

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	Leadbelly	319	Pidcock/Matthews/Alaphilippe	80
2	Otoxiep87	237	Pidcock/Alaphilippe/Benoot	50
3	Googolplex	213	Pidcock/Alaphilippe	35
4	Bminchow	189	Pidcock/Trentin/Van Avermaet	25
5	JustSomeGuy	170	Pidcock/Hermans/Van Avermaet	15
6	Del1962	157	Pidcock/Trentin/Van Avermaet	10
7	Josedin	142		5
8	Ray10	132		3
9	Triley36	87		2
10	Armchair	86		1
11	SemirS	57
12	Kazistuta	54
13	AmisVelo	50
13	Blues_in_the_Bottle	50
15	ChrisDK	45
16	MellowVelo	33
17	Search	27
18	Scrool07	22
19	Comodoro	20
20	Madrazo	15
20	RoteLaterne	15
20	DJSprtsch	15
	CollectiveWisdom	151

Green standings

		Green points	change in rank
1	Madrazo	352.5	0
2	ChrisDK	330.03	0
3	Josedin	306.53	0
4	RoteLaterne	250.21	0
5	Ray10	235.6	1
6	DJSprtsch	233.71	-1
7	Blues_in_the_Bottle	206.82	0
8	AmisVelo	206.32	0
9	Kazistuta	202.82	0
10	Bminchow	201.5	0
11	Leadbelly	186.48	7
12	SemirS	170	-1
13	Del1962	159.87	-1
14	JustSomeGuy	158.66	-1
15	MellowVelo	136.82	-1
16	Otoxiep87	126.5	4
16	Triley36	126.5	-1
18	Armchair	109	-1
19	Search	108.5	-3
20	Comodoro	102.21	-1
21	Googolplex	55.5	0
22	Scrool07	13.21	0

Standings
And the top three become even more closely bunched, with a change to their order, while Leadbelly makes that late charge towards the podium that I wondered about in the last update.

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Madrazo	2271	0
2	Josedin	2246	1
3	AmisVelo	2220	-1
4	Leadbelly	2056	6
5	Bminchow	1998	3
6	Ray10	1966	1
7	RoteLaterne	1923	-3
8	MellowVelo	1917	-3
9	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1894	-3
10	JustSomeGuy	1831	2
11	DJSprtsch	1797	-2
12	SemirS	1738	-1
13	Otoxiep87	1692	4
14	ChrisDK	1683	-1
15	Armchair	1631	0
16	Del1962	1609	2
17	Kazistuta	1606	-3
18	Search	1527	-2
19	Triley36	1459	0
20	Googolplex	1418	1
21	Comodoro	1352	-1
22	Scrool07	1133	0
	CollectiveWisdom	2285

Two races left, it will all be done this weekend, but still much to be finalised.  The Mur de Huy will set things up tomorrow...

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 21, 2021, 17:22

Quote from: Leadbelly on April 08, 2021, 08:48

It's gonna be unusual heading into these latter events with some riders to cheer on for once - Alaphilippe, Matthews, GVA, Vansevenant, Pidcock and maybe Jorgenson. Making up 650 points though is probably asking too much.

I have the numbers from today in my spreadsheet, but won't be able to turn them into an update post until this evening.  But it seems 650 points is not too much to make up at all...

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 21, 2021, 23:23

Race 20: Flèche Wallonne

The four managers that selected Alaphilippe will have felt that he has not really delivered on the amount spent on him.  Until today.

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1	ALAPHILIPPE Julian	220	4
4	WOODS Michael	96	3
6	PIDCOCK Thomas	76	8
14	HERMANS Quinten	27	2
21	MATTHEWS Michael	15	1
22	POELS Wout	14	1
24	BRENNER Marco	12	1
27	VANSEVENANT Mauri	9	7

and 12 of the five pointers were also picked.

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	Googolplex	392	Alaphilippe/Woods/Pidcock	80
2	Leadbelly	330	Alaphilippe/Pidcock/Matthews/Vansevenant	50
3	Otoxiep87	296	Alaphilippe/Pidcock/Matthews/Vansevenant	35
4	Armchair	220	Alaphilippe	25
5	Comodoro	115	Woods/Poels	15
6	JustSomeGuy	108	Pidcock/Hermans	10
7	Search	106	Woods	5
8	Bminchow	93		3
9	Josedin	90		2
10	Ray10	81		0.5
10	Del1962	81		0.5
12	MellowVelo	46
13	ChrisDK	24
14	Blues_in_the_Bottle	19
14	Kazistuta	19
16	Triley36	15
17	AmisVelo	14
18	SemirS	10
19	Madrazo	5
19	RoteLaterne	5
19	DJSprtsch	5
19	Scrool07	5
	CollectiveWisdom	92

Green points
Only the top three could win now...

		Green points	change in rank
1	Madrazo	352.5	0
2	ChrisDK	330.03	0
3	Josedin	308.53	0
4	RoteLaterne	250.21	0
5	Leadbelly	236.48	6
6	Ray10	236.1	-1
7	DJSprtsch	233.71	-1
8	Blues_in_the_Bottle	206.82	-1
9	AmisVelo	206.32	-1
10	Bminchow	204.5	0

Standings
Not only chasing down the three who had been out front, but going straight past them without even sitting in their wheels:

1	Leadbelly	2386	3
2	Josedin	2336	0
3	Madrazo	2276	-2
4	AmisVelo	2234	-1
5	Bminchow	2091	0
6	Ray10	2047	0
7	Otoxiep87	1988	6
8	MellowVelo	1963	0
9	JustSomeGuy	1939	1
10	RoteLaterne	1928	-3
11	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1913	-2
12	Armchair	1851	3
13	Googolplex	1810	7
14	DJSprtsch	1802	-3
15	SemirS	1748	-3
16	ChrisDK	1707	-2
17	Del1962	1690	-1
18	Search	1633	0
19	Kazistuta	1625	-2
20	Triley36	1474	-1
21	Comodoro	1467	0
22	Scrool07	1138	0
	CollectiveWisdom	2377

Liege-Bastogne-Liege on Sunday is the 21st and final race of the series, and that neatly parallels the 21 stages of a GT for our game.  From the startlists, I don't think it is more likely to change the leadership than the final stage of most GTs, but this is cycling, and one can never be sure.

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 26, 2021, 00:06

Race 21 and final: Liege-Bastogne-Liege

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
2	ALAPHILIPPE Julian	170	4
5	WOODS Michael	112	3
7	BENOOT Tiesj	90	1
10	MOHORIC Matej	62	1
19	MATTHEWS Michael	26	1
24	WELLENS Tim	16	6
25	NEILANDS Krists	14	1

and 13 five pointers.

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	Googolplex	282	Alaphilippe and Woods	80
2	Otoxiep87	260	Alaphilippe and Benoot	50
3	Leadbelly	216	Alaphilippe and Matthews	35
4	Armchair	175	Alaphilippe	25
5	Search	133	Woods and Wellens	15
6	Comodoro	127	Woods	10
7	Triley36	72	Mohoric	5
8	MellowVelo	31		3
9	ChrisDK	29		2
10	JustSomeGuy	26		0.33
10	SemirS	26		0.33
10	Scrool07	26		0.33
13	Bminchow	21
14	AmisVelo	15
14	Blues_in_the_Bottle	15
14	Del1962	15
14	Kazistuta	15
18	Madrazo	10
18	RoteLaterne	10
18	DJSprtsch	10
21	Josedin	5
21	Ray10	5
	CollectiveWisdom	20

Final Green Points standings

Maybe some consolation for Madrazo, who lead the main scoring until the end of the cobbles, but virtually disappeared from scoring in the Ardennes(ish) 4 race coda to the spring.

		Green points	change in rank
1	Madrazo	352.5	0
2	ChrisDK	332.03	0
3	Josedin	308.53	0
4	Leadbelly	271.48	1
5	RoteLaterne	250.21	-1
6	Ray10	236.1	0
7	DJSprtsch	233.71	0
8	Googolplex	215.5	9
9	Otoxiep87	211.5	5
10	Blues_in_the_Bottle	206.82	-2
11	AmisVelo	206.32	-2
12	Bminchow	204.5	-2
13	Kazistuta	202.82	-2
14	SemirS	170.33	-2
15	JustSomeGuy	168.99	-2
16	Del1962	160.37	-1
17	Armchair	159	1
18	MellowVelo	139.82	-2
19	Triley36	131.5	0
20	Search	128.5	1
21	Comodoro	127.21	-1
22	Scrool07	13.54	0

The final standings

This game is all about getting a balance between the variety of races that make up the series: after Scheldeprijs, Madrazo was top and Googolplex was last.   In the 4 races since then, Madrazo scored 56 points and Googolplex 1025.  Leadbelly scored a dozen points fewer, but had been mid-table before that final few hillier races.  All four Alaphilippe teams, including the aforementioned lanterne rouge team, make the final top ten.  And Leadbelly's margin over Josedin means that there's no argument about the notorious Huy photo changing the result.

Rank	Team	Points	Change in rank
1	Leadbelly	2602	0
2	Josedin	2341	0
3	Madrazo	2286	0
4	AmisVelo	2249	0
5	Otoxiep87	2248	2
6	Bminchow	2112	-1
7	Googolplex	2092	6
8	Ray10	2052	-2
9	Armchair	2026	3
10	MellowVelo	1994	-2
11	JustSomeGuy	1965	-2
12	RoteLaterne	1938	-2
13	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1928	-2
14	DJSprtsch	1812	0
15	SemirS	1774	0
16	Search	1766	2
17	ChrisDK	1736	-1
18	Del1962	1705	-1
19	Kazistuta	1640	0
20	Comodoro	1594	1
21	Triley36	1546	-1
22	Scrool07	1164	0
	CollectiveWisdom	2397

Averages from each forum:
Cycling News  1809
VeloRooms   2093

I should get time to do some analysis tomorrow, but until then, the reasons for your success or lack of it are revealed here. (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1khCdUqtK40lyyf_c82aLu6R5EztnJQ2h)

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: just some guy on April 26, 2021, 08:48

Fell out of the top 10 :(

Congratulations Leadbelly,  nice one. The title stays on VR for another year

Thanks AC for running the game again

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on April 26, 2021, 08:50

:fanfare

Thank you sports fans, and thanks Armchair for running the game as always. :cool

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 26, 2021, 08:53

Is that it? You call that a victory speech?

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on April 26, 2021, 09:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nOSvpnCFTs

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 28, 2021, 00:08

The riders

572 different riders scored points in these races: unfortunately, that only includes 80 of the 91 riders that we picked.  These are the highest scoring of them:

	Points	Cost	Teams
VAN AERT Wout	881	1702	0
ALAPHILIPPE Julian	625	1247	4
VAN DER POEL Mathieu	597	1264	6
PIDCOCK Thomas	534	57	8
ASGREEN Kasper	521	543	0
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro	492	689	0
STUYVEN Jasper	478	502	3
VAN AVERMAET Greg	436	503	13
TRENTIN Matteo	397	370	5
MOLLEMA Bauke	387	310	0
VAN BAARLE Dylan	376	344	0
TURGIS Anthony	373	306	4
SENECHAL Florian	372	721	1
GAUDU David	352	484	0
MATTHEWS Michael	345	639	1
POGACAR Tadej	334	2044	0
NIZZOLO Giacomo	292	737	0
BENNETT Sam	268	901	0
SCHACHMANN Maximilian	266	956	0
COLBRELLI Sonny	260	347	1
PHILIPSEN Jasper	253	645	0
ARANBURU DEBA Alexander	253	298	0
MERLIER Tim	227	483	1
VERMEERSCH Gianni	226	348	0
LAPORTE Christophe	219	136	8
VANMARCKE Sep	216	70	19
VANSEVENANT Mauri	215	15	7
PEDERSEN Mads	213	736	4
WOODS Michael	213	666	3
BENOOT Tiesj	202	582	1
BALLERINI Davide	200	353	2

Being a good pick is not just about scoring high, but can be about good return on investments.  These guys scored at least 20 points, and at least 150% of cost.

	Points	Cost	%age	Teams
HERMANS Quinten	48	0	infinite	2
GRIGNARD Sébastien	25	0	infinite	0
NORSGAARD JØRGENSEN Mathias	20	0	infinite	1
COLMAN Alex	20	0	infinite	0
VANSEVENANT Mauri	215	15	1433.3	7
PIDCOCK Thomas	534	57	936.8	8
GESBERT Elie	52	6	866.7	0
PERRY Benjamin	25	4	625.0	0
DE PLUS Laurens	24	5	480.0	1
CAVENDISH Mark	71	15	473.3	0
VAN POPPEL Boy	47	10	470.0	0
KREDER Wesley	22	5	440.0	0
SIEBERG Marcel	20	5	400.0	0
APERS Ruben	20	5	400.0	0
RUSSO Clément	99	25	396.0	0
VANMARCKE Sep	216	70	308.6	19
ROBEET Ludovic	140	50	280.0	0
ZAKHAROV Artyom	25	9	277.8	0
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos	40	15	266.7	0
GAUDIN Damien	98	38	257.9	0
BURGHARDT Marcus	70	33	212.1	0
HOLLMANN Juri	30	15	200.0	0
BASSO Leonardo	20	10	200.0	0
VAN DER SANDE Tosh	136	71	191.5	0
SCHELLING Ide	150	79	189.9	0
VAN ASBROECK Tom	170	90	188.9	0
HAUSSLER Heinrich	133	79	168.4	0
LAPORTE Christophe	219	136	161.0	8
POLITT Nils	143	89	160.7	19
RESELL Erik Nordsaeter	34	22	154.5	0

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: scrooll07 on April 28, 2021, 14:03

This happens when you make a team in a hurry for 5mins :D a reminder to check the start dates better next time and avoiding the last place  :lol

Title: Re: 2021 Spring Classics CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 29, 2021, 22:51

I started the analysis on Monday night, got distracted from it and posted an incomplete version at around midnight, and haven't had any time since.  But here is a bit more:

The impeccable picks
If your budget remaining for one last rider was in this range, this was the best you could do:

	Points won	range	teams
VAN AERT Wout	881	1702 +	0
ALAPHILIPPE Julian	625	1247-1701	4
PIDCOCK Thomas	534	57-1246	8
VANSEVENANT Mauri	215	15-56	7
GESBERT Elie	52	6-14	0
HERMANS Quinten	48	0-5	2

Collective Ignorance
It might seem to speak well of our selection ability that the Collective Wisdom team came 2nd with a very strong score despite a considerable underspend, but I was able to construct a team of those that nobody chose that would have won by a vast margin (score of 2898) that cost exactly the budget limit.

	Price	Points
ASGREEN Kasper	543	521
MOLLEMA Bauke	310	387
VAN BAARLE Dylan	344	376
ARANBURU DEBA Alexander	298	253
PHILIPSEN Jasper	645	253
VERMEERSCH Gianni	348	226
STEWART Jake	122	182
SCHELLING Ide	79	150
CHAMPOUSSIN Clément	111	141
ROBEET Ludovic	50	140
VAN DER SANDE Tosh	71	136
HAUSSLER Heinrich	79	133

Best possible team
I am always happy to be proven wrong, but the best scoring permutation I could come up with that was allowed (and had 5 budget points of loose change) is this lot, amassing 3700 points

	Price	Points	Teams
ALAPHILIPPE Julian	1247	625	4
PIDCOCK Thomas	57	534	8
TRENTIN Matteo	370	397	5
MOLLEMA Bauke	310	387	0
VAN BAARLE Dylan	344	376	0
TURGIS Anthony	306	373	4
LAPORTE Christophe	136	219	8
VANMARCKE Sep	70	216	19
VANSEVENANT Mauri	15	215	7
VAN ASBROECK Tom	90	170	0
ROBEET Ludovic	50	140	0
HERMANS Quinten	0	48	2

Hall of shame
If you did not do as well as you hoped, it is probably down to one or more of this bunch: theye were all selected, without being particularly cheap (>100 cost) and seriously under performed (<25% return)

	Points	Price	%age	teams
BATTISTELLA Samuele	0	104	0.0	1
CALMEJANE Lilian	0	125	0.0	1
JUNGELS Bob	0	136	0.0	8
TEUNISSEN Mike	0	172	0.0	1
HODEG CHAGUI Alvaro Jose	5	129	3.9	1
DEVENYNS Dries	17	338	5.0	1
CORT NIELSEN Magnus	10	178	5.6	1
DRUCKER Jempy	15	252	6.0	2
POELS Wout	24	382	6.3	1
BETTIOL Alberto	26	390	6.7	2
BARDET Romain	26	358	7.3	1
DEGENKOLB John	36	383	9.4	2
BISSEGGER Stefan	20	145	13.8	1
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh	98	649	15.1	1
COQUARD Bryan	50	331	15.1	1
VIVIANI Elia	45	261	17.2	1
MADOUAS Valentin	71	387	18.3	1
DE BUYST Jasper	24	129	18.6	1
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald	25	131	19.1	1
WELLENS Tim	83	431	19.3	6
TEUNS Dylan	75	385	19.5	2
VERMEERSCH Florian	41	208	19.7	1
SAGAN Peter	159	767	20.7	4
DEWULF Stan	30	132	22.7	1
LUTSENKO Alexey	93	397	23.4	2
VALGREN HUNDAHL (ANDERSEN) Michael	50	200	25.0	2

So how did they do so well?
Top four scorers for the top 5 teams:
Leadbelly: Alaphilippe, Pidcock, Van Avermaet, Matthews
Josedin: Pidcock, Turgis, Senechal, Vanmarcke
Madrazo: Stuyven, Van Avermaet, Laporte, Vanmarcke
Amis Velo: Van der Poel, Van Avermaet, Trentin, Vanmarcke
Otoxiep87:Alaphilippe, Pidcock, Laporte, Vanmarcke


Not all races are equal
Well, they are in the Green Jersey classification, but they vary vastly in how many points they contributed to the main game, partly because of CQ point allocations, and partly because of the popularity of riders who did well.

Ronde	7370
Omloop	4612
MSR	4448
E3	4370
KBK	3277
Dwars	2741
Strade	2546
Amstel	2135
Fleche	2079
Gent-Wev	1991
Brabantse	1762
LBL	1524
Koksijde	1060
GP Industria	910
Laigueglia	502
De Panne	370
Scheldeprijs	341
Nokere	273
GP Indurain	226
Ardeche	28
Drome	5

Let's hope that Paris-Roubaix is back in the mix for this game next year (and, I suppose, Frankfurt and Denain too)

Let us know if you find any other interesting data in the spreadsheet.


Thanks to all those who entered, and to CQrankings.com, and congratulations to Leadbelly, the podium teams, and to Madrazo on the green jersey win, and a special mention to ChrisDK for getting 2nd on the green classification with a team that was, by a very long way, lowest on the popularity ranking. 

and look out for the Giro CQ game, coming very soon, possibly before I go to bed tonight if I remain interruption free.

Title: -
Post by: RTknodo on August 29, 2021, 13:40

Doesnt seem much like spring here yet.  We got snow dumped on us again over April Fools.  Some mornings you can hear a lot of birds but I havent seen many insects or new growth yet.