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Title: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 26, 2021, 15:47
We all like to think that we are pretty well informed about this sport we follow, and have our ears to the ground about the next big thing to expect.

So who are the riders who are only beginning to announce themselves at this stage, but will get big results (or at least consistent decent results) in the next few seasons?   Who still has moderate salary expectations but would be amazing value if a team were to sign him up on a three year deal now?

That is who the Emerging Riders CQ Game challenges you to identify: 18 male riders who thus far have fewer than 200 CQ Ranking points (http://cqranking.com) (each) in their career, and will score well between now and the end of the 2024 season.

When to submit my team? By the end of 15th January UK time (I'm willing to run the risk that the competitiveness of the game is spoiled by riders showing that they have the potential for world domination in the NZ Cycling Classic, which I think is the only event before that).

How do I submit my team?  By PM to me on Cycling News or VeloRooms (although Amis Velo did put his selection through the door of my house on what I assume was the envelope of one of his Christmas cards last year). Please submit your riders in the CQ format (Surname Givenname) and extra gratitude if you manage to get Spanish, Portuguese, Danish and Eritrean names in the same combination that CQ uses.  The huge, but by no means exhaustive, list of names here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-AMyLlrXM1I6toarN5lzYTUbcit5dKoB?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs) should enable you to get the right format and confirm eligibility.

How do I check that a rider is eligible? At the bottom right of each riders page on CQ is a bold printed (dark red on white) 'Points', and at the bottom right of that is a rider's lifetime score (for example, Valverde is over the limit by 35736. (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=5&year=0&all=0&current=0))  Or, check that he is on the list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-AMyLlrXM1I6toarN5lzYTUbcit5dKoB?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs).  If he is straight out of Juniors, or you know he has done very little yet, then he is obviously fine.  To give you an idea, you are looking for someone who has achieved less than recent threshold passers Julius Johansen, David Dekker of Emmanuel Morin.

Can I choose female riders?  Sorry, no.

Is there an age limit?  No, if there is a rider who you think will be a late bloomer over the next three years, pick him.  There are many riders on the list who have taken a handful of points over 20 years or so (usually in nat champs of countries that have few cyclists). By the same token, if there is a teenager who you think will do so well in 2024 that he will justify his selection in that year alone, have at it.

Is there a limit to my team's total cost?  The 199 point limit is for each rider, not for your team. There is a logical upper limit of 3582, but concentrate on each rider, not on the total.

What about doping? For a while, CQ stopped removing scores, even when the UCI had cancelled results.  I notice that they have now resumed doing so (see, for example, Jaime Roson (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=21791)).  If your rider is caught cheating, and points are removed by CQ before the end of the game, then you'll lose them; if they are slow about it, you might get away with it.

How expert do I need to be?  Not very.  The winner of the edition that has just finished missed out on Vingegaard, Higuita, Pidcock and other big scorers, but opted for a rider who had three times as many points before the game than he got in the three years of the game: not one of us took Valter or Bissegger, but nine of us included Karel Vacek, who scored one solitary point in three years. 
And if you are really lacking ideas, I have put a list of riders selected for the main 2022 CQ game (http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=9931.0) that are eligible here into the eligible names list file linked above, and repeated it in reply 5 below.

Good luck
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on December 31, 2021, 11:26
Of course, I did my pre-selection months ago, when the season ended. So I was waiting for this thread to be open  :D

This year I managed to cut the "short" list in just 28 riders (with no juniors this time!).
8 from 2002
8 from 2001
5 from 2000
4 from 1999
2 from 1998
1 from 1997

What I think I'm going to do, is in first place get rid of the 7 older riders (full u23 squad then) and finally say "see you next year, dont go over 200 please" to the 3 riders from 2002 in my list that are not proffesionals yet.

Then, the final 18 riders list is going to look like...
5 from 2002
8 from 2001
5 from 2000

Yep I know, very concentrate list this year, just taking a 2 years hairpin. But I'm sending the team like that. Anyway, I have 2 weeks to change my mind and make armchair crazy.
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on January 01, 2022, 10:20
My team is in too. Picked using my usual kind of fuzzy logic.

They're all "Half-Price Heroes" ie. under 100 points and not 200.
Deliberately nobody from previous years (I think).
Quite a few refugees who didn't quite make the cut in my main game team.
Three riders who however are in both teams.
One 99er and one 03er, but the rest are in Cordi's age range of riders (I think).
Missing a fair few obvious picks, but maybe not as many uniques as in previous games.

7 WT
8 PCT
3 CT

Hopefully I won't let the VR side down too much.
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 08, 2022, 10:54
Quote from: Cordi on December 31, 2021, 11:26


Yep I know, very concentrate list this year, just taking a 2 years hairpin. But I'm sending the team like that. Anyway, I have 2 weeks to change my mind and make armchair crazy.

Well, unexpectedly I'm going to make some ammendts in my team  :D

It's just two of the older guys that I let down previously... One I think I shouldn't pass on him, and the other I think can be a precious rare pick. So... Two maybe still slightly green 2001 kids are making room for them.

So for now, the final 18 riders list look like this:
5 from 2002
6 from 2001
5 from 2000
1 from 1999
1 from 1998
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on January 09, 2022, 18:34
My hopefully very competitive team consists of 6 riders that are also in my main game team. 11 different nations, 10 WT, 7 PT, one Conti. Birth years 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003.
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 11, 2022, 11:01
So among the 437 riders selected for the Main 2022 game there are 160 who are still eligible for this one.
Looking through these might make your selection easier, but do not feel that your picks must come from this list.

I have added them as a column in the list of eligible names file (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-AMyLlrXM1I6toarN5lzYTUbcit5dKoB?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs) (the blue list on that file), but here they are:

ABREHA Negasi Haylu
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
ANDERSON Edward
ANTUNES Tiago Gomes
APARICIO MUÑOZ Mario
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARROYAVE CAÑAS Daniel
ASKEY Lewis
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BAIS Davide
BALLESTEROS CANOVAS Miguel Angel
BALMER Alexandre
BARONCINI Filippo
BAYER Tobias
BERTHET Clément
BITTNER Pavel
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CANAL BLANCO Carlos
CHEVALIER Maxime
CHZHAN Igor
COLEMAN Zak
COSTA Fabio Manuel Fernandes
DAL-CIN Matteo
DE LIE Arnaud
DE VYLDER Lindsay
DELBOVE Joris
DELPHIS Thomas
DRIZNERS Jarrad
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
EGHOLM Jakob
EINHORN Itamar
EL GOUZI Omar
ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo
EVANS Alexander
FANCELLU Alessandro
FERRON Valentin
FRETIN Milan
FRIGO Marco
GALL Felix
GARRISON Ian
GARRISON Michael
GAZZOLI Michele
GOLDSTEIN Omer
GOVEKAR Matevz
GRANIGAN Noah
GREGOIRE Romain
GROSS Felix
GUDMESTAD Tord
HAGENES Per Strand
HAILEMICHAEL Mulu Kinfe
HAJEK Alexander
HAYTER Leo
HEALY Ben
HECHT Gage
HEIDUK Kim
HEINSCHKE Leon
HELLEMOSE Asbjørn
HEMING Mika
HESSMANN Michel
HOLLYMAN Mason
HOOLE Daan
HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby
INKELAAR Kevin
ISERBYT Eli
JACOBS Johan
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
JONES TAJ
KEOGH Cian
KOIDE Itsuki
KORETZKY Victor
KRUL Wessel
LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier
LEEMREIZE Gijs
LEITAO Iuri Gabriel Dantas
LOPEZ GRANIZO Harold Martin
LÜHRS Luis-Joe
MADAN Ahmed
MALACARNE Alex
MARTIN GALAN Sergio Roman
MARTIN ROMERO David
MARTINEZ Lenny
MAYRHOFER Marius
MAZZUCCO Fabio
MEENS Johan
MERCHAN CARDONA Didier Norberto
MIHKELS Madis
MILAN Jonathan
MIQUEL DELGADO Pau
MORENO SALA Adria
NABERMAN Tim
NICOLAU BELTRAN Joel
NYS Thibau
OKAMIKA BENGOETXEA Ander
OLIVEIRA Ivo Emanuel Alves
ORTS LLORET Felipe
OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
PARET-PEINTRE Valentin
PARISELLA Raphael
PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David
PENHOËT Paul
PICCOLO Andrea
PIDCOCK Joseph
PINARELLO Alessandro
PIRA PARADA Yesid Albeiro
PITHIE Laurence
PLAPP Lucas
PONOMAR Andriy
PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan
PRIES Cédric
QUINN Sean
RANGEL COSTA Vinicius
RAUGEL Antoine
REX Laurenz
RHIM Brendan
RICCITELLO Matthew
RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith
ROCCHETTA Cristian
RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik
ROMO OLIVER Javier
SANCHEZ MAYO Pelayo
SCOTSON Callum
SHEFFIELD Magnus
STEDMAN Travis
STEINHAUSER Georg
STEWART Campbell
STEWART Mark
STORK Florian
STRONG Corbin
SVRCEK Martin
SWEENY Harrison
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TENDON Arnaud
TIBERI Antonio
TOUMIRE Hugo
TRACZ Szymon
TURNER Ben
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VACEK Karel
VACEK Mathias
VADER Milan
VAN DIJKE Tim
VAN GILS Maxim
VAN TRICHT Stan
VANDENABEELE Henri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERNON Ethan
VERRE Alessandro
VERSCHAEVE Viktor
VERVLOESEM Xandres
VINOKOUROV Nicolas
WAERENSKJOLD Søren
WANDAHL Frederik
WELSFORD Samuel
WHITEHEAD Josh
WILLIAMS Tyler
ZAMBANINI Edoardo
ZERAI Nahom
ZINGLE Axel


 Does that make it easier?
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on January 11, 2022, 22:45
Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 11, 2022, 11:01
So among the 437 riders selected for the Main 2022 game there are 160 who are still eligible for this one.
Looking through these might make your selection easier, but do not feel that your picks must come from this list.

Does that make it easier?
Much appreciated! :cool
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on January 12, 2022, 18:25
My team is in!

#wt 9
#pro 9
#conti 0

1998: 4
1999: 7
2000: 4
2001: 1
2002: 2

*no 4
*dk 3
*fr 2
*es 2
*au 2
*at 1
*co 1
*de 1
*hu 1
*it 1


EDIT: One of the Danes (born 1999) replaced with an Aussie (born 1998).

1998: 5
1999: 6
2000: 4
2001: 1
2002: 2

*no 4
*au 3
*dk 2
*fr 2
*es 2
*at 1
*co 1
*de 1
*hu 1
*it 1
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 13, 2022, 14:15
Just under 2 1/2 days to go, 25 teams in so far (quite good, assuming that there are several that will be submitted at the eleventh hour)


113 different riders have been picked, 49 of them just once, and 8 are on more than half the teams (and 3 teams have all 8 of them). 


The most popular selection has 88% of the maximum popularity score, the least has 33%.


77 riders who were picked in the main game have not been picked up in this one yet (including 5 who were chosen 4 or more times there), while 30 names are active in this game but not the main one (8 of them more than once).


But this note isn't here just for stats geeks: it's to remind you that you have until 23:59 GMT/UTC on Saturday (or in practice, until I get to my inbox on Sunday morning, so long as you avoid riders from the Aussie national championships) to get the names to me.


Good luck
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 15, 2022, 21:20
Quote from: Cordi on January 08, 2022, 10:54
Well, unexpectedly I'm going to make some ammendts in my team  :D

It's just two of the older guys that I let down previously... One I think I shouldn't pass on him, and the other I think can be a precious rare pick. So... Two maybe still slightly green 2001 kids are making room for them.

So for now, the final 18 riders list look like this:
5 from 2002
6 from 2001
5 from 2000
1 from 1999
1 from 1998

Well, last minute change. It's a guy coming from other sport. He wasn't even on my big list because I doubted about his commitment to road cycling, but I just read an interview that gives me good vibes so let's go.

I sack another young lad from 2001 to make room. Final composition of the team:

5 from 2002
5 from 2001
5 from 2000
1 from 1999
1 from 1998
1 from 1994

Note that the 3 older guys that are no longer u23, came late to road cycling from other sports (triathlon, track, mtb).
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 15, 2022, 22:05
A couple of hours left: still time, but not much...
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on January 15, 2022, 22:11
Still time for cordi to change a couple more riders. :D :P
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 16, 2022, 03:04
Quote from: Leadbelly on January 15, 2022, 22:11
Still time for cordi to change a couple more riders. :D :P

No more changes :)

I hope that the Koretzky-Askey affair pays better than the Vacek-Higuita :D
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 11:29
And they are off
With 25% of the field left behind as soon a the flag drops.

40 teams, which is more than we have had for a few years, and quite a few new entrants, which is great (although they are all from Cycling News, which makes the weighting of the inter-forum battle a bit askew).  It's always a bit disappointing when some regular players don't appear (HugoKoblet, Jakob747, Karaev, Kryvo, Ludwigzgz, Muddy Waters, Northerner, Yellow Knight): I hope all is OK, guys, and that you have simply had a busy week.

So, who have we got, and who have they got?
(As previously, asterisks indicate unique picks)


Amis Velo
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CHEVALIER Maxime   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VADER Milan   *
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Armchair Cyclist
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   COLNAGHI Luca   *
   HEALY Ben   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   

Berflamand
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HAYTER Leo   
   HOOLE Daan   
   LÜHRS Luis-Joe   
   MARTINEZ Lenny   
   NYS Thibau   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   SVRCEK Martin   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VERNON Ethan   

Blues in the Bottle
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   HAYTER Leo   
   PARET-PEINTRE Valentin   
   PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David   
   PIDCOCK Joseph   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   QUINN Sean   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STORK Florian   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERNON Ethan   

Bminchow
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   HAYTER Leo   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   Svrcek Martin   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   Uijtdebroeks Cian   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   

Bonimenier
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HOOLE Daan   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   NYS Thibau   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TURNER Ben   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Comodoro
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DRIZNERS Jarrad   
   EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian   *
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HEALY Ben   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   QUINN Sean   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VAN UDEN Casper   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   

Cordi
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   KORETZKY Victor   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   STEWART Campbell   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Del1962
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   HEALY Ben   
   HOOLE Daan   
   LAPEIRA Paul   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   MAYRHOFER Marius   
   O'BRIEN Kelland   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Devil's Elbow
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   LAMPERTI Luke   *
   NYS Thibau   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Edk Deus
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   FETTER Erik   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   NYS Thibau   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLOWRIGHT Jensen   *
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STORK Florian   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   THOMPSON Reuben   *
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZAMBANINI Edoardo   

Evans is the Best
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   KORETZKY Victor   
   LE HUITOUZE Eddy   *
   MARTINEZ Lenny   
   NYS Thibau   
   QUINN Sean   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TOUMIRE Hugo   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VERNON Ethan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Fivezzz
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   QUINN Sean   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   SVRCEK Martin   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VERNON Ethan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Greenedge
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GALL Felix   *
   GAZZOLI Michele   
   GUDMESTAD Tord   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STAUNE-MITTET Johannes   
   SWEENY Harrison   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN UDEN Casper   
   VERNON Ethan   

Jon Ezeitza
   ANDERSEN Idar   
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BITTNER Pavel   *
   BRENNER Marco   
   HOOLE Daan   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   MIHOLJEVIC Fran   *
   PENHOËT Paul   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZAMBANINI Edoardo   

Josedin
   ANDERSEN Idar   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DELPHIS Thomas   *
   DRIZNERS Jarrad   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HOOLE Daan   
   KORETZKY Victor   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   SVRCEK Martin   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WILLEMS Thimo   *

Jumbo Visma Fan
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   EGHOLM Jakob   *
   HAYTER Leo   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   NYS Thibau   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STRONG Corbin   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERNON Ethan   

Kazistuta
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   HOOLE Daan   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   MONIQUET Sylvain   *
   PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   STORK Florian   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   

Koronin
   BRENNER Marco   
   CANAL BLANCO Carlos   *
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo   *
   GARCIA PIERNA Raul   *
   HESSMANN Michel   *
   HOLLMANN Juri   
   LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier   
   LÜHRS Luis-Joe   
   MIQUEL DELGADO Pau   *
   QUINN Sean   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SANCHEZ MAYO Pelayo   *
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERRE Alessandro   
   WANDAHL Frederik   

Laarsland
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   GUDMESTAD Tord   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HEIDUK Kim   
   LÜHRS Luis-Joe   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Leadbelly
   ASKEY Lewis   
   BALMER Alexandre   *
   BLOUWE Louis   *
   FRETIN Milan   *
   GAROFOLI Gianmarco   *
   HOLLYMAN Mason   *
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   KOPECKY Matyas   *
   MARTINELLI Alessio   
   MAYRHOFER Marius   
   PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   UHLIG Henri   *
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   VERRE Alessandro   

Los Brolin
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   EINHORN Itamar   *
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HAYTER Leo   
   LUND ANDRESEN Tobias   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   

Lukas CPH
   ANDERSEN Idar   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   CHEVALIER Maxime   
   FERRON Valentin   
   FETTER Erik   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   O'BRIEN Kelland   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   SWEENY Harrison   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Madrazo
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GAZZOLI Michele   
   NYS Thibau   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Nakazar
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   FETTER Erik   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HOOLE Daan   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   NYS Thibau   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   SVRCEK Martin   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Nathanptz
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   LAPEIRA Paul   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PENHOËT Paul   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   

Nyssinator
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   GUDMESTAD Tord   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HAYTER Leo   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   NYS Thibau   
   PARET-PEINTRE Valentin   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   STAUNE-MITTET Johannes   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VERNON Ethan   

Otoxiep87
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DRIZNERS Jarrad   
   JACOBS Johan   *
   LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PARRA CUERDA Jose Felix   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SCARONI Cristian   *
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   

Ray10
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   DVERSNES Fredrik   *
   FERRON Valentin   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HELLEMOSE Asbjørn   *
   LÜHRS Luis-Joe   
   PIDCOCK Joseph   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STAUNE-MITTET Johannes   
   TURNER Ben   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Redhead Dane
   ANDERSEN Kasper   *
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BERWICK Sebastian   *
   BOILEAU Alan   *
   CHEVALIER Maxime   
   HEALY Ben   
   HOLLMANN Juri   
   JUNTUNEN Antti-Jussi   *
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PAQUOT Tom   
   PRITZEN Marc Oliver   *
   QUINN Sean   
   STRONG Corbin   
   VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Repre
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BERTHET Clément   
   BRENNER Marco   
   PAQUOT Tom   
   PARET-PEINTRE Valentin   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   PRODHOMME Nicolas   *
   QUINN Sean   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TURNER Ben   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   

Riverside
   ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego   *
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   JONES TAJ   *
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   OLIVEIRA Ivo Emanuel Alves   *
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith   *
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STORK Florian   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   VERRE Alessandro   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   *

Rote Laterne
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BERTHET Clément   
   FERRON Valentin   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Rufs
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   FETTER Erik   
   HEIDUK Kim   
   HOOLE Daan   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   MAYRHOFER Marius   
   PEÑALVER ANIORTE Manuel   *
   PLAPP Lucas   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   

SafeBet
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   LIPOWITZ Florian   *
   MILAN Jonathan   
   NYS Thibau   
   OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VERNON Ethan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Salvarani
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   LAPEIRA Paul   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   QUINN Sean   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   STEWART Campbell   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WANDAHL Frederik   

Scrooll07
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   HEIDUK Kim   
   HOOLE Daan   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEWART Campbell   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Skidmark
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BERTHET Clément   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   LEITAO Iuri Gabriel Dantas   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   

Squire
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BERTHET Clément   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   NYS Thibau   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZINGLE Axel   
   ZWIEHOFF Ben   *

Vladimir
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUSSENSKIY Gleb   *
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   MARTINELLI Alessio   
   MAYRHOFER Marius   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   MURGUIALDAY ELORZA Jokin   *
   NYS Thibau   
   PICCOLO Andrea
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TOUMIRE Hugo   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 11:59
The Riders
In case you weren't counting, there are 131 of them named above, 51 with asterisks.

At the other end of the scale, we have (I think) a new record for popularity of pick in any CQ game: Ayuso is on 95% of teams.  As far as Emerging games are concerned, Evenepoel, who surely was more hyped, was on, I think, 34 of 37 teams, and IIRC, Simon Yates was on all but 2 teams when he was at this stage, but I can't remember how many entrants there were that year (I'll look it up later).

38 teams: AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
32: BARONCINI Filippo
30: PLAPP Lucas (bringing a 100 point head start)
27: BRENNER Marco
25: UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
24: DE LIE Arnaud
22: TIBERI Antonio, VERNON Ethan
21: UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
20: ASKEY Lewis
19: ROMO OLIVER Javier, VANDENABEELE Henri
16: VAN TRICHT Stan
15: PICCOLO Andrea, SHEFFIELD Magnus, STEINHAUSER Georg
14: LEEMREIZE Gijs, WAERENSKJOLD Søren
There are 18 names above this: they are the Collective Wisdom team
13: VAN GILS Maxim
12: GREGOIRE Romain, NYS Thibau
11: BAYER Tobias, JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
9: HOOLE Daan, VAN DIJKE Tim, ZINGLE Axel
8: HAGENES Per Strand, QUINN Sean
7: PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan, RANGEL COSTA Vinicius
6: ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo, GLOAG Thomas, HAYTER Leo, HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby, PONOMAR Andriy, VERMAERKE Kevin
5: PITHIE Laurence, SVRCEK Martin
4: BERTHET Clément, CHARMIG Anthon, FETTER Erik, HEALY Ben, LÜHRS Luis-Joe, MAYRHOFER Marius, MILAN Jonathan, RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik, STORK Florian, VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio
3: ANDERSEN Idar, CHEVALIER Maxime, DRIZNERS Jarrad, FERRON Valentin, GUDMESTAD Tord, HEIDUK Kim, KORETZKY Victor, LAPEIRA Paul, PARET-PEINTRE Valentin, PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David, STAUNE-MITTET Johannes, STEWART Campbell, TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso, TURNER Ben, VERRE Alessandro
2:  CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres, GAZZOLI Michele, HOLLMANN Juri, LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier, MARTINELLI Alessio, MARTINEZ Lenny, O'BRIEN Kelland, OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro, PAQUOT Tom, PENHOËT Paul, PIDCOCK Joseph, STRONG Corbin, SWEENY Harrison, TOUMIRE Hugo, VAN UDEN Casper, WANDAHL Frederik, ZAMBANINI Edoardo

And yet there will be riders who score well by the end of the 3 years who are not on these lists, who will embarrass us all and will be logged as the Collective Ignorance team.  (we don't know who they are yet, but it might be fun to guess)
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 13:32
Team popularity

In case anyone is new, the popularity table ranks the teams according to the number of teams each of their riders is on.  For example, nearly all of us got 38 points for Ayuso, while any unique picks on your team will have got you just one point. Koronin and Leadbelly are the two that lack Ayuso, Redhead Dane somehow positions herself lower in the popularity table than Leadbelly despite that.

Team Popularity pts Unique picks
1      Bminchow      362         0
2      AmisVelo      353         1
3      Bonimenier      333         0
4      Cordi      332         0
4      Fivezzz      332         0
4      Skidmark      332         1
7      Madrazo      323         0
7      Squire      323         1
9      SafeBet      321         1
10      Armchair_Cyclist      308         1
11      DevilsElbow      307         1
12      Nakazar      306         0
13      LosBrolin      301         2
14      Laarsland      296         0
15      RoteLaterne      290         0
16      Rufs      288         1
17      Del1962      287         0
17      Nyssinator      287         0
19      Kazistuta      285         1
20      Scrooll07      283         0
21      JumboVismaFan      282         1
21      Salvarani      282         0
23      Nathanptz      277         0
24      Berflamand      276         0
25      Repre      274         1
26      EvansIsTheBest      273         1
27      Otoxiep87      271         3
28      Comodoro      257         1
29      Josedin      256         2
30      JonEzeitza      250         2
31      Greenedge      249         1
32      EdkDeus      247         2
33      Vladimir      238         2
34      Blues_in_the_Bottle      237         0
35      Riverside      235         5
36      Ray10      231         2
37      LukasCPH      222         0
38      Leadbelly      143         7
39      RedheadDane      126         5
40      Koronin      125         6
      CollectiveWisdom      388         0
      CollectiveIgnorance      0         18
      MainGame2022      344         0
      Goodin2021      143         4

Bminchow's team was high, but by no means top, until he sent in three changes that greatly boosted his standings here: whether De Lie, Leemreize and Vernon give a greater boost than Ardila, Drizners and Van Dijke to the final score remains to be seen.

I should have mentioned in the post above that there were some interesting swings in the popularity of riders: Baroncini was as popular  as Ayuso for a long time, but later submissions had a far lower rate of inclusion for him; Leemrieze, Vandenabeele and Romo all hung on to the top 18, but were among the top 6 or 8 for a long time, and a few riders were notable for their frequency in the entries of the last couple of days: Sheffield, Gregoire,Nys and Bayer.  And although Koretsky was only on 3 teams, they were, if memory serves me well, three of the final five to arrive.

I have already explained above the Collective Wisdom and Ignorance teams, but there are two others in the bottom bit of the list that might need explaining. 
The Main Game 2022 team is made up of the most popular players in the main annual CQ game, hosted by Skidmark, that are still eligible here.  There is a difference in player base, but also a difference in pricing priorities, in that game, so there Uitdebroeks is very close to Ayuso, and a long way clear of Baroncini in popularity there as opposed to here.  No unique picks here, but Milan Vader is on 6 teams there and only 1 here: Javier Romo is on 19 teams here, but only 5 there.
Good in 2021 represents, I suppose, the laziest way of selecting a team; they are the top 18 scoring riders in 2021 that are still eligible here.  Low in the popularity rankings because it necessarily excludes those coming up from the juniors, and maybe because of a tendency against choosing again riders who didn't perform as we hoped in Year 1 of the previous edition.  But no-one thought that Wirtgen, Delettre, Zoccarato or Hocevar had done enough last year to be worth a punt here?


The make up of the CI team will constantly change, and it expect it to lead for about a year and a half, as it cannot contain anyone who has not yet performed well.  But who might it contain at the end of 2024?  Who did you consider, but omit, and you were surprised to see that he is not one of the 115 riders that someone else fancied?  On those grounds, I will propose Sam Welsford (and perhaps those 4 from the Good in 2021 team) as likely to feature in Collective Ignorance.  Who do you think will be there?
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on January 16, 2022, 13:57
Woo hoo got a mention. :lol

Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 13:32
The make up of the CI team will constantly change, and it expect it to lead for about a year and a half, as it cannot contain anyone who has not yet performed well.  But who might it contain at the end of 2024?  Who did you consider, but omit, and you were surprised to see that he is not one of the 115 riders that someone else fancied? 

Just checking and the only two I had on the long list that didn't make it onto anybody's team are Riccitello and Martin Lopez. Maybe the latter has the best chance of doing something. He got some special advice from Guama which he is putting in practice - work on your TT!
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 16, 2022, 15:22
I'm greatly surprised Reuben Thompson is a unique pick. Winner of Aosta lads!

Was one of the 3 youngster I sacked (alongside Askey and rare pick Toumire) to make room for the addition of those 3 older guys coming from other sports, that were Romo (a triathlete until 2020, high in the popularity ranking), Stewart (track rider until 2021, silver in omniun in the OG) and Koretzky (mtb rider, quite older than the rest, who's going to make a shot to road racing starting this year). The frenchman was a high risk pick I just decided in the last minute, but even knowing that, he isn't a unique pick  :angry

Other good unique pick is Felix Parra, one of the main leaders of spanish PT Kern Pharma, that is going to have a great calendar (is expected to go to the Vuelta a España). Late bloomer but good climber, was in my last short list before cuting to make it 18 riders. Fetter and Sweeny were other 2 rare picks that were so close to enter my team.

...
In the first long list I made (of rougly 70 riders) there are some for the CI team: Not too exciting pros like Lars van den Berg, Simon Guglielmi or Joel Suter, a good looking neo pro like Maurice Ballerstedt and a kid coming fresh from juniors with big potential like Alec Segaert.

Also there are like 20 of the unique picks of other managers. I don't know why, but in the end I always bet on the ones that become mainstream  :lol
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 16:45
Odds and ends

If we were to rank the teams by the number of career points their riders had before the game starts (obviously less than 200 for each of them), we would have:
1      RedheadDane      2610
2      LukasCPH      2507
3      Scrooll07      2294
4      RoteLaterne      2113
5      JonEzeitza      2011
6      Rufs      2006
7      Otoxiep87      1995
8      Del1962      1896
9      Repre      1880
10      Armchair_Cyclist      1879
11      Fivezzz      1859
12      Greenedge      1851
13      Salvarani      1846
14      DevilsElbow      1818
15      AmisVelo      1755
16      Madrazo      1752
17      SafeBet      1733
18      EdkDeus      1649
19      Squire      1618
20      Nakazar      1614
21      Bonimenier      1578
22      Kazistuta      1538
23      Bminchow      1513
24      Comodoro      1496
25      Cordi      1494
26      Skidmark      1467
27      Riverside      1447
28      Nathanptz      1392
29      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1386
30      LosBrolin      1385
31      JumboVismaFan      1353
32      Ray10      1272
33      Laarsland      1256
34      Josedin      1235
35      EvansIsTheBest      1227
36      Nyssinator      1111
37      Koronin      1029
38      Vladimir      1015
39      Berflamand      845
40      Leadbelly      731
      CollectiveWisdom      1630
      CollectiveIgnorance      0
      MainGame2022      1118
      Goodin2021      2969
I'm not sure that that demonstrates much other than propensity to go for riders who have already established themselves a bit.  No surprise that the Good in 21 team outscores everyone, something of a surprise that RHD and Lukas get as close to that score as they do.  Leadbelly's score reflects his self imposed handicap of only having riders with a maximum pre-game career of 100 rather than 200.

Inter Forum Challenge
Eight of our players represent (by virtue of submitting their teams there) Team VeloRooms: AmisVelo, Cordi, Josedin, Leadbelly, LukasCPH, Otoxiep87, RoteLaterne and Scrooll07
Everyone else (apart from me: strictly neutral of course) is on the CN Forum team (31 of you).
Inter-forum rivalry is determined by mean average score.

Last year we had a group who additionally represented Equipo Parliamento Ciclismo, of whom I think only 4 remain (Cordi, Comodoro, Jon E and Josedin: have I got that right?)  I can include them again, but are there any other Spanish/Iberian players who would like that team expanded to include them?  Anyone else think they can claim a group identity with a minimum of say 5 from the entrants to put up an average score?  Scandis? Anyone other than myself and (I assume) Del old enough for a "Rebellin is a youngster" team?  Have we ever identified a large contingent of any particular profession on the boards?   And collectivity you care to propose, put it up here and if you can get a group of at least 5 and I'll include them. You will still be on your forum's panel, and you can be in more than one group, but even if your team turns out to be a flop, it will give you something to cheer for.

Team similarity
Obviously the higher popularity teams are the ones most similar to any other team, but the maximum co-incidence in selection is 13 (Amis Velo and Bminchow, the two most popular teams) but also Rufs and Scrool07.
There are also several overlaps of 12 riders:
Amis Velo with Armchair, Bonimenier and Fivezzz
Bminchow with Fivezzz and Skidmark
Devil's Elbow with Squire
Madrazo with Squire

In terms of similarity with Collective Wisdom, Bminchow and Amis Velo each have 15, then Cordi (14), Skidmark (13, also the Main Game selection) and Fivezzz and Squire (12 each).

Despite omitting Ayuso, Leadbelly and Koronin manage to find some common ground with everyone else, even each other (they share Akessandro Verre, also picked by Riverside) except that Leadbelly and Redhead Dane find no common interest at all: their teams are totally mutually exclusive.

Amis Velo, Cordi and Squire draw equally on the Main game team, with 12: Redhead Dane has just 1.
Lukas has 9 of the 'Good in 2021' team: no-one else has more than 6 of them (Leadbelly, for reasons already pointed out, has none).

There is a tab on the spreadsheet to show your similarity to other teams.

Current standings
Other than new Aussie champ Plapp (100 pts, 30 teams), I believe the only other selected rider off the mark is Laurence Pithie (17 points from NZ Classic, 5 teams), which would mean that we have 4 joint leaders (Devil's Elbow, Los Brolin, Nakazar and SafeBet), with Comodoro in 31st place.

Spreadsheet
Unless Google does something unexpected,  the spreadsheet should remain here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-NgRnHyYmscvMHOE9VcoQ8lCQePDm0YG?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs) indefinitely. See what else you can discover in it!

I aim to do updates early each month, life (and other CQ games) sometimes interferes with that. I don't always include the link to the spreadsheet when I post them, but you know where to find it now.

You are locked in for three long years now: enjoy the unveiling of heroes and the dismemberment of dreams.
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on January 16, 2022, 18:03
I'm a bit surprised about the many Askey and Vernon picks. Askey is likely used as lead out and Vernon probably too. But then I don't follow track and it's always a risk leaving out  #deceuninck neo-pros.

Riders I thought would be more popular: Vader, Edvardsen-Fredheim, Thompson, Garifoli, Bittner, Balmer.
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 18:42
Leon Heinschke/Hugo Page/Edoardo Zambanini might appear in the CI team, but I'm not sure they are omissions that I regret (but ask me again in late 2024...)
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on January 16, 2022, 21:49
Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 11:29
Lukas CPH
   ANDERSEN Idar   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   CHEVALIER Maxime   
   FERRON Valentin   
   FETTER Erik   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   O'BRIEN Kelland   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   SWEENY Harrison   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
No unique picks! :o I think that's a first for me.

Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 13:32
Team popularity
Team Popularity pts Unique picks
37      LukasCPH      222         0
But nevertheless a very 'unpopular' team all around. I choose to interpret that as having picked riders that only few others thought of, but that were nevertheless not so obscure as to be unique picks. In other words, a very good selection.

Quote from: Cordi on January 16, 2022, 15:22
I'm greatly surprised Reuben Thompson is a unique pick. Winner of Aosta lads!
He was on my shortlist for a long time, but eventually I didn't pick him as he 'only' has 64 career points until now. So he can score up to 135 points with #cgf this season and still be available for 2023-2025 (when he'll probably move up to the WT team), in which case I'd definitely pick him.
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 01, 2022, 00:10
Year 1 Month 1 to 30th January

14 of our chosen riders (and 65 others who were eligible) have scored points, led by wins for Plapp (100 pts, 30 teams) and De Lie (80 pts, 24 teams)

Other major early scorers mentioned alongside their pickers:
1      Greenedge      239   Gall & Gummestad
2      Squire      208   Zwiehoff
3      Nakazar      207   Pithie & Hoole
4      Rufs      200   Penalver and Hoole
5      DevilsElbow      197   Pithie
5      LosBrolin      197     "
5      SafeBet      197     "
8      Laarsland      195   Gudmestad
8      Nyssinator      195       "
10      Berflamand      190   Hoole
10      Bonimenier      190     "
10      Kazistuta      190     "
10      Scrooll07      190     "
14      AmisVelo      180   
14      Bminchow      180   
14      Cordi      180   
14      Fivezzz      180   
14      JumboVismaFan      180   
14      Madrazo      180   
14      Nathanptz      180   
14      Ray10      180   
22      Armchair_Cyclist      132    Colnaghi
23      Riverside      113   
24      Del1962      110   
24      Josedin      110   
26      Otoxiep87      105   
27      Blues_in_the_Bottle      100   
27      LukasCPH      100   
27      Repre      100   
27      RoteLaterne      100   
31      Koronin      93   
32      Salvarani      87   
33      Skidmark      80   
34      Comodoro      17   
35      JonEzeitza      10   
36      EdkDeus      0   
36      EvansIsTheBest      0   
36      Leadbelly      0   
36      RedheadDane      0   
36      Vladimir      0   
      CollectiveWisdom      180   
      CollectiveIgnorance      524   
      MainGame2022      180   
      Goodin2021      5   
Two members of Collective Ignorance (James Whelan and Joel Suter) have already put themselves out of contention for next year's edition.

Flashes in the pan or showing what to expect? We'll see.

At least it gives me a chance to check the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-NgRnHyYmscvMHOE9VcoQ8lCQePDm0YG?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs)
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2022, 19:37
Year 1, month 2 31 January to 27th February
The season has crept north, and plenty of our picks have started their campaign.

Rider Pts this month Teams Source
VAN GILS Maxim      149      13   Saudi Tour wins GC and a stage   
CHARMIG Anthon      148      4   7th in Saudi and 5th with a stage in Oman   
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan      84      38   4th in Drome and Ardeche and Valenciana pts   
SHEFFIELD Magnus      56      15   Stage win and GC top 20 in Andalucia   
PLAPP Lucas      44      30      
VANDENABEELE Henri      44      19      
VERMAERKE Kevin      36      6      
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego      35      1      
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso      34      3      
PRITZEN Marc Oliver      30      1   


Rank this month Pts this month Main scorers
1      Nathanptz      589   Van Gils/Charmig/Ayuso/Sheffield/Plapp/Vandenabeele   
2      Salvarani      507   Van Gils/Charmig/Ayuso/Vandenabeele   
3      Bminchow      441   Van Gils/Ayuso/Sheffield/Plapp/Vandenabeele   
4      Armchair_Cyclist      392   Van Gils/Ayuso/Plapp/Vandenabeele/Tejada
5      Repre      379      
6      Comodoro      377      
7      Blues_in_the_Bottle      354      
8      RedheadDane      348      
9      EvansIsTheBest      341      
10      Greenedge      335      
10      Rufs      335      
12      LukasCPH      325      
13      JumboVismaFan      324      
14      Scrooll07      323      
15      SafeBet      319      
16      Madrazo      318      
17      Josedin      291      
18      JonEzeitza      285      
19      Cordi      262      
20      Kazistuta      261      
21      Berflamand      252      
22      Del1962      247      
23      LosBrolin      246      
24      Riverside      245      
25      Ray10      243      
26      Otoxiep87      238      
27      Laarsland      229      
28      DevilsElbow      225      
29      Bonimenier      224      
30      Skidmark      223      
31      AmisVelo      214      
32      Vladimir      209      
33      Squire      199      
34      Nyssinator      181      
35      Fivezzz      174      
36      Nakazar      173      
36      RoteLaterne      173      
38      Koronin      166      
39      EdkDeus      161      
40      Leadbelly      113      
      CollectiveWisdom      267      
      CollectiveIgnorance      655   Hindsgaul/Vauquelin/Wirtgen   
      MainGame2022      255      
      Goodin2021      527   

Standings
There were far more points available in February than January, so this is very much weighted towards this month.

Rank Team Total Change in position
1      Nathanptz      769      13
2      Bminchow      621      12
3      Salvarani      594      29
4      Greenedge      574      -3
5      Rufs      535      -1
6      Armchair_Cyclist      524      16
7      SafeBet      516      -2
8      Scrooll07      513      2
9      JumboVismaFan      504      5
10      Madrazo      498      4
11      Repre      479      16
12      Blues_in_the_Bottle      454      15
13      Kazistuta      451      -3
14      LosBrolin      443      -9
15      Cordi      442      -1
15      Berflamand      442      -5
17      LukasCPH      425      10
18      Laarsland      424      -10
19      Ray10      423      -5
20      DevilsElbow      422      -15
21      Bonimenier      414      -11
22      Squire      407      -20
23      Josedin      401      1
24      Comodoro      394      10
24      AmisVelo      394      -10
26      Nakazar      380      -23
27      Nyssinator      376      -19
28      Riverside      358      -5
29      Del1962      357      -5
30      Fivezzz      354      -16
31      RedheadDane      348      5
32      Otoxiep87      343      -6
33      EvansIsTheBest      341      3
34      Skidmark      303      -1
35      JonEzeitza      295      0
36      RoteLaterne      273      -9
37      Koronin      259      -6
38      Vladimir      209      -2
39      EdkDeus      161      -3
40      Leadbelly      113      -4
      CollectiveWisdom      447      
      CollectiveIgnorance      1031      
      MainGame2022      435      
      Goodin2021      532   

That's a big lead for so early in the game, but it will only be relevant if Van Gils, Charmig, Ayuso and Plapp remain at the top of this cohort for another three years.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 04, 2022, 23:07
Year 1, Month 3 28 February to 3 April

The season has now started in earnest, and one of our popular picks, at least, looks like he means business with a fistful of results already.

Rider Pts this month Teams Source
DE LIE Arnaud      317      24   Win Monsere & Limburg/3rd Nokere/top ten Koksijde/De Panne/Le Samyn   
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan      217      38   2nd Laigueglia/5th Catalunya
ZINGLE Axel      116      9   Route Adelie win/Cholet 7th   
VERNON Ethan      110      22   Catalunya stage win/Monsere 5th/Nokere 11th
TIBERI Antonio      89      22   5th Coppi e Bartali/8th Ind & Art   
ASKEY Lewis      84      20   2nd Loire Atlantique
TURNER Benjamin      73      3      
WAERENSKJOLD Søren      66      14      
O'BRIEN Kelland      59      2      
FERRON Valentin      54      3   

5 very popular picks scoring well, so plenty of points around this month:

Rank this month Pts this month Main scorers (+ De Lie & Ayuso)
1      DevilsElbow      1056   Zingle/Vernon/Tiberi/Askey/Waerenskjold   
2      Ray10      1028   Zingle/Askey/Turner/Waerenskjold/Ferron   
3      Nakazar      991   Vernon/Tiberi/Askey/Waerenskjold   
4      Scrooll07      970   Zingle/Tiberi/Askey/Waerenskjold
5      Fivezzz      967   Zingle/Vernon/Tiberi/Askey
6      Bonimenier      949      
7      SafeBet      943      
8      Squire      938      
9      AmisVelo      934      
10      Bminchow      917      
11      Skidmark      910      
12      Salvarani      909      
13      Madrazo      879      
14      Cordi      872      
15      Greenedge      856      
16      LosBrolin      838      
17      Rufs      801      
18      Laarsland      754      
19      Berflamand      741      
20      Nyssinator      730      
21      JumboVismaFan      726      
22      Nathanptz      722      
23      Del1962      720      
24      Kazistuta      699      
25      JonEzeitza      602      
26      EdkDeus      581      
27      EvansIsTheBest      542      
28      Armchair_Cyclist      503      
29      Comodoro      484      
30      RoteLaterne      482      
31      Vladimir      477      
32      Repre      471      
33      LukasCPH      458      
34      Josedin      450      
35      Koronin      434      
36      Blues_in_the_Bottle      418      
37      Riverside      413      
38      RedheadDane      354      
39      Otoxiep87      328      
40      Leadbelly      241      
      CollectiveWisdom      959      
      CollectiveIgnorance      703      
      MainGame2022      904      
      Goodin2021      552   

Standings
Most teams scored more in March than they had previously, so the table is still very volatile.

Rank Team Total Change in position
1      Bminchow      1538      1
2      Salvarani      1503      1
3      Nathanptz      1491      -2
4      Scrooll07      1483      4
5      DevilsElbow      1478      15
6      SafeBet      1459      1
7      Ray10      1451      12
8      Greenedge      1430      -4
9      Madrazo      1377      1
10      Nakazar      1371      16
11      Bonimenier      1363      10
12      Squire      1345      10
13      Rufs      1336      -8
14      AmisVelo      1328      10
15      Fivezzz      1321      15
16      Cordi      1314      -1
17      LosBrolin      1281      -3
18      JumboVismaFan      1230      -9
19      Skidmark      1213      15
20      Berflamand      1183      -5
21      Laarsland      1178      -3
22      Kazistuta      1150      -9
23      Nyssinator      1106      4
24      Del1962      1077      5
25      Armchair_Cyclist      1027      -19
26      Repre      950      -15
27      JonEzeitza      897      8
28      EvansIsTheBest      883      5
28      LukasCPH      883      -11
30      Comodoro      878      -6
31      Blues_in_the_Bottle      872      -19
32      Josedin      851      -9
33      Riverside      771      -5
34      RoteLaterne      755      2
35      EdkDeus      742      4
36      RedheadDane      702      -5
37      Koronin      693      0
38      Vladimir      686      0
39      Otoxiep87      671      -7
40      Leadbelly      354      0
      CollectiveWisdom      1406      
      CollectiveIgnorance      1436      
      MainGame2022      1339      
      Goodin2021      1084   

Collective Ignorance usually holds a huge lead until well into Year 2: maybe we didn't miss as many as we have in the past.
Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on May 04, 2022, 09:11
Year 1 Month 4  4th April to 1st May

Pts this monthTeams Main scoring races
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan      162      38   4th in GC and stage 3rd in Romandie
SHEFFIELD Magnus      140      15   Brabantse Pijl win   
GALL Felix      118      1   12th Itzulia GC and 6th in Alps   
TURNER Benjamin      117      3   Brabantse Pijl 4th & Paris-Roubaix 11th   
ZINGLE Axel      112      9   5th Circuit Sarthe & 3rd Jura   
PLAPP Lucas      84      30      
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland      72      11      
DE LIE Arnaud      68      24      
FERRON Valentin      63      3      
VAN UDEN Casper      63      2      
QUINN Sean      52      8   

Take the inclusion of Ayuso and Sheffield as a given in the top teams whose scorers this month I mention.
Rank this month Pts this month Main scorers
1      Ray10      856   Turer/Zingle/Plapp/De Lie/Ferron   
2      Nathanptz      714   Plapp/Johannessen/De Lie   
3      Laarsland      683   Zingle/Plapp/De Lie   
4      JumboVismaFan      652   Plapp/Johannessen/De Lie   
5      Bonimenier      642   Plapp/Johannessen/De Lie   
6      EvansIsTheBest      627   Zingle/Quinn
7      Skidmark      615      
8      Bminchow      604      
9      LosBrolin      599      
10      Berflamand      576      
10      Repre      576      
12      Comodoro      562      
13      Greenedge      556      
13      Cordi      556      
15      Blues_in_the_Bottle      554      
16      Squire      549      
17      Kazistuta      543      
18      Fivezzz      539      
19      Josedin      536      
20      SafeBet      508      
21      DevilsElbow      506      
22      Scrooll07      505      
23      Madrazo      497      
24      RoteLaterne      452      
25      AmisVelo      446      
26      Riverside      444      
27      Nyssinator      440      
28      Nakazar      439      
29      Armchair_Cyclist      424      
30      Salvarani      417      
31      LukasCPH      415      
32      Rufs      400      
33      Otoxiep87      399      
34      Del1962      394      
35      JonEzeitza      389      
36      EdkDeus      371      
37      Vladimir      369      
38      Koronin      335      
39      RedheadDane      296      
40      Leadbelly      178      
      CollectiveWisdom      586      
      CollectiveIgnorance      788      
      MainGame2022      573      
      Goodin2021      498   

Standings
4th month, 4th leader and still very large jumps in the table.
Rank Team Total Change in position
1      Ray10      2307      6
2      Nathanptz      2205      1
3      Bminchow      2142      -2
4      Bonimenier      2005      7
5      Scrooll07      1988      -1
6      Greenedge      1986      2
7      DevilsElbow      1984      -2
8      SafeBet      1967      -2
9      Salvarani      1920      -7
10      Squire      1894      2
11      JumboVismaFan      1882      7
12      LosBrolin      1880      5
13      Madrazo      1874      -4
14      Cordi      1870      2
15      Laarsland      1861      6
16      Fivezzz      1860      -1
17      Skidmark      1828      2
18      Nakazar      1810      -8
19      AmisVelo      1774      -5
20      Berflamand      1759      0
21      Rufs      1736      -8
22      Kazistuta      1693      0
23      Nyssinator      1546      0
24      Repre      1526      2
25      EvansIsTheBest      1510      3
26      Del1962      1471      -2
27      Armchair_Cyclist      1451      -2
28      Comodoro      1440      2
29      Blues_in_the_Bottle      1426      2
30      Josedin      1387      2
31      LukasCPH      1298      -3
32      JonEzeitza      1286      -5
33      Riverside      1215      0
34      RoteLaterne      1207      0
35      EdkDeus      1113      0
36      Otoxiep87      1070      3
37      Vladimir      1055      1
38      Koronin      1028      -1
39      RedheadDane      998      -3
40      Leadbelly      532      0
      CollectiveWisdom      1992      
      CollectiveIgnorance      1943      
      MainGame2022      1912      
      Goodin2021      1582   

A handful of these guys are in the Giro, but there are other races in May.