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Title: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on December 26, 2021, 15:47

We all like to think that we are pretty well informed about this sport we follow, and have our ears to the ground about the next big thing to expect.

So who are the riders who are only beginning to announce themselves at this stage, but will get big results (or at least consistent decent results) in the next few seasons?   Who still has moderate salary expectations but would be amazing value if a team were to sign him up on a three year deal now?

That is who the Emerging Riders CQ Game challenges you to identify: 18 male riders who thus far have fewer than 200 CQ Ranking points (http://cqranking.com) (each) in their career, and will score well between now and the end of the 2024 season.

When to submit my team? By the end of 15th January UK time (I'm willing to run the risk that the competitiveness of the game is spoiled by riders showing that they have the potential for world domination in the NZ Cycling Classic, which I think is the only event before that).

How do I submit my team?  By PM to me on Cycling News or VeloRooms (although Amis Velo did put his selection through the door of my house on what I assume was the envelope of one of his Christmas cards last year). Please submit your riders in the CQ format (Surname Givenname) and extra gratitude if you manage to get Spanish, Portuguese, Danish and Eritrean names in the same combination that CQ uses.  The huge, but by no means exhaustive, list of names here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-AMyLlrXM1I6toarN5lzYTUbcit5dKoB?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs) should enable you to get the right format and confirm eligibility.

How do I check that a rider is eligible? At the bottom right of each riders page on CQ is a bold printed (dark red on white) 'Points', and at the bottom right of that is a rider's lifetime score (for example, Valverde is over the limit by 35736. (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=5&year=0&all=0&current=0))  Or, check that he is on the list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-AMyLlrXM1I6toarN5lzYTUbcit5dKoB?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs).  If he is straight out of Juniors, or you know he has done very little yet, then he is obviously fine.  To give you an idea, you are looking for someone who has achieved less than recent threshold passers Julius Johansen, David Dekker of Emmanuel Morin.

Can I choose female riders?  Sorry, no.

Is there an age limit?  No, if there is a rider who you think will be a late bloomer over the next three years, pick him.  There are many riders on the list who have taken a handful of points over 20 years or so (usually in nat champs of countries that have few cyclists). By the same token, if there is a teenager who you think will do so well in 2024 that he will justify his selection in that year alone, have at it.

Is there a limit to my team's total cost?  The 199 point limit is for each rider, not for your team. There is a logical upper limit of 3582, but concentrate on each rider, not on the total.

What about doping? For a while, CQ stopped removing scores, even when the UCI had cancelled results.  I notice that they have now resumed doing so (see, for example, Jaime Roson (https://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=21791)).  If your rider is caught cheating, and points are removed by CQ before the end of the game, then you'll lose them; if they are slow about it, you might get away with it.

How expert do I need to be?  Not very.  The winner of the edition that has just finished missed out on Vingegaard, Higuita, Pidcock and other big scorers, but opted for a rider who had three times as many points before the game than he got in the three years of the game: not one of us took Valter or Bissegger, but nine of us included Karel Vacek, who scored one solitary point in three years. 
And if you are really lacking ideas, I have put a list of riders selected for the main 2022 CQ game (http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=9931.0) that are eligible here into the eligible names list file linked above, and repeated it in reply 5 below.

Good luck

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on December 31, 2021, 11:26

Of course, I did my pre-selection months ago, when the season ended. So I was waiting for this thread to be open  :D

This year I managed to cut the "short" list in just 28 riders (with no juniors this time!).
8 from 2002
8 from 2001
5 from 2000
4 from 1999
2 from 1998
1 from 1997

What I think I'm going to do, is in first place get rid of the 7 older riders (full u23 squad then) and finally say "see you next year, dont go over 200 please" to the 3 riders from 2002 in my list that are not proffesionals yet.

Then, the final 18 riders list is going to look like...
5 from 2002
8 from 2001
5 from 2000

Yep I know, very concentrate list this year, just taking a 2 years hairpin. But I'm sending the team like that. Anyway, I have 2 weeks to change my mind and make armchair crazy.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on January 01, 2022, 10:20

My team is in too. Picked using my usual kind of fuzzy logic.

They're all "Half-Price Heroes" ie. under 100 points and not 200.
Deliberately nobody from previous years (I think).
Quite a few refugees who didn't quite make the cut in my main game team.
Three riders who however are in both teams.
One 99er and one 03er, but the rest are in Cordi's age range of riders (I think).
Missing a fair few obvious picks, but maybe not as many uniques as in previous games.

7 WT
8 PCT
3 CT

Hopefully I won't let the VR side down too much.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 08, 2022, 10:54

Quote from: Cordi on December 31, 2021, 11:26

Yep I know, very concentrate list this year, just taking a 2 years hairpin. But I'm sending the team like that. Anyway, I have 2 weeks to change my mind and make armchair crazy.

Well, unexpectedly I'm going to make some ammendts in my team  :D

It's just two of the older guys that I let down previously... One I think I shouldn't pass on him, and the other I think can be a precious rare pick. So... Two maybe still slightly green 2001 kids are making room for them.

So for now, the final 18 riders list look like this:
5 from 2002
6 from 2001
5 from 2000
1 from 1999
1 from 1998

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on January 09, 2022, 18:34

My hopefully very competitive team consists of 6 riders that are also in my main game team. 11 different nations, 10 WT, 7 PT, one Conti. Birth years 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 11, 2022, 11:01

So among the 437 riders selected for the Main 2022 game there are 160 who are still eligible for this one.
Looking through these might make your selection easier, but do not feel that your picks must come from this list.

I have added them as a column in the list of eligible names file (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-AMyLlrXM1I6toarN5lzYTUbcit5dKoB?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs) (the blue list on that file), but here they are:

ABREHA Negasi Haylu
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
ANDERSON Edward
ANTUNES Tiago Gomes
APARICIO MUÑOZ Mario
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARROYAVE CAÑAS Daniel
ASKEY Lewis
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BAIS Davide
BALLESTEROS CANOVAS Miguel Angel
BALMER Alexandre
BARONCINI Filippo
BAYER Tobias
BERTHET Clément
BITTNER Pavel
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CANAL BLANCO Carlos
CHEVALIER Maxime
CHZHAN Igor
COLEMAN Zak
COSTA Fabio Manuel Fernandes
DAL-CIN Matteo
DE LIE Arnaud
DE VYLDER Lindsay
DELBOVE Joris
DELPHIS Thomas
DRIZNERS Jarrad
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
EGHOLM Jakob
EINHORN Itamar
EL GOUZI Omar
ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo
EVANS Alexander
FANCELLU Alessandro
FERRON Valentin
FRETIN Milan
FRIGO Marco
GALL Felix
GARRISON Ian
GARRISON Michael
GAZZOLI Michele
GOLDSTEIN Omer
GOVEKAR Matevz
GRANIGAN Noah
GREGOIRE Romain
GROSS Felix
GUDMESTAD Tord
HAGENES Per Strand
HAILEMICHAEL Mulu Kinfe
HAJEK Alexander
HAYTER Leo
HEALY Ben
HECHT Gage
HEIDUK Kim
HEINSCHKE Leon
HELLEMOSE Asbjørn
HEMING Mika
HESSMANN Michel
HOLLYMAN Mason
HOOLE Daan
HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby
INKELAAR Kevin
ISERBYT Eli
JACOBS Johan
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
JONES TAJ
KEOGH Cian
KOIDE Itsuki
KORETZKY Victor
KRUL Wessel
LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier
LEEMREIZE Gijs
LEITAO Iuri Gabriel Dantas
LOPEZ GRANIZO Harold Martin
LÜHRS Luis-Joe
MADAN Ahmed
MALACARNE Alex
MARTIN GALAN Sergio Roman
MARTIN ROMERO David
MARTINEZ Lenny
MAYRHOFER Marius
MAZZUCCO Fabio
MEENS Johan
MERCHAN CARDONA Didier Norberto
MIHKELS Madis
MILAN Jonathan
MIQUEL DELGADO Pau
MORENO SALA Adria
NABERMAN Tim
NICOLAU BELTRAN Joel
NYS Thibau
OKAMIKA BENGOETXEA Ander
OLIVEIRA Ivo Emanuel Alves
ORTS LLORET Felipe
OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
PARET-PEINTRE Valentin
PARISELLA Raphael
PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David
PENHOËT Paul
PICCOLO Andrea
PIDCOCK Joseph
PINARELLO Alessandro
PIRA PARADA Yesid Albeiro
PITHIE Laurence
PLAPP Lucas
PONOMAR Andriy
PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan
PRIES Cédric
QUINN Sean
RANGEL COSTA Vinicius
RAUGEL Antoine
REX Laurenz
RHIM Brendan
RICCITELLO Matthew
RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith
ROCCHETTA Cristian
RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik
ROMO OLIVER Javier
SANCHEZ MAYO Pelayo
SCOTSON Callum
SHEFFIELD Magnus
STEDMAN Travis
STEINHAUSER Georg
STEWART Campbell
STEWART Mark
STORK Florian
STRONG Corbin
SVRCEK Martin
SWEENY Harrison
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TENDON Arnaud
TIBERI Antonio
TOUMIRE Hugo
TRACZ Szymon
TURNER Ben
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VACEK Karel
VACEK Mathias
VADER Milan
VAN DIJKE Tim
VAN GILS Maxim
VAN TRICHT Stan
VANDENABEELE Henri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERNON Ethan
VERRE Alessandro
VERSCHAEVE Viktor
VERVLOESEM Xandres
VINOKOUROV Nicolas
WAERENSKJOLD Søren
WANDAHL Frederik
WELSFORD Samuel
WHITEHEAD Josh
WILLIAMS Tyler
ZAMBANINI Edoardo
ZERAI Nahom
ZINGLE Axel


 Does that make it easier?

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on January 11, 2022, 22:45

Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 11, 2022, 11:01

So among the 437 riders selected for the Main 2022 game there are 160 who are still eligible for this one.
Looking through these might make your selection easier, but do not feel that your picks must come from this list.

Does that make it easier?

Much appreciated! :cool

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on January 12, 2022, 18:25

My team is in!

#wt 9
#pro 9
#conti 0

1998: 4
1999: 7
2000: 4
2001: 1
2002: 2

*no 4
*dk 3
*fr 2
*es 2
*au 2
*at 1
*co 1
*de 1
*hu 1
*it 1


EDIT: One of the Danes (born 1999) replaced with an Aussie (born 1998).

1998: 5
1999: 6
2000: 4
2001: 1
2002: 2

*no 4
*au 3
*dk 2
*fr 2
*es 2
*at 1
*co 1
*de 1
*hu 1
*it 1

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 13, 2022, 14:15

Just under 2 1/2 days to go, 25 teams in so far (quite good, assuming that there are several that will be submitted at the eleventh hour)


113 different riders have been picked, 49 of them just once, and 8 are on more than half the teams (and 3 teams have all 8 of them). 


The most popular selection has 88% of the maximum popularity score, the least has 33%.


77 riders who were picked in the main game have not been picked up in this one yet (including 5 who were chosen 4 or more times there), while 30 names are active in this game but not the main one (8 of them more than once).


But this note isn't here just for stats geeks: it's to remind you that you have until 23:59 GMT/UTC on Saturday (or in practice, until I get to my inbox on Sunday morning, so long as you avoid riders from the Aussie national championships) to get the names to me.


Good luck

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 15, 2022, 21:20

Quote from: Cordi on January 08, 2022, 10:54

Well, unexpectedly I'm going to make some ammendts in my team  :D

It's just two of the older guys that I let down previously... One I think I shouldn't pass on him, and the other I think can be a precious rare pick. So... Two maybe still slightly green 2001 kids are making room for them.

So for now, the final 18 riders list look like this:
5 from 2002
6 from 2001
5 from 2000
1 from 1999
1 from 1998

Well, last minute change. It's a guy coming from other sport. He wasn't even on my big list because I doubted about his commitment to road cycling, but I just read an interview that gives me good vibes so let's go.

I sack another young lad from 2001 to make room. Final composition of the team:

5 from 2002
5 from 2001
5 from 2000
1 from 1999
1 from 1998
1 from 1994

Note that the 3 older guys that are no longer u23, came late to road cycling from other sports (triathlon, track, mtb).

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 15, 2022, 22:05

A couple of hours left: still time, but not much...

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on January 15, 2022, 22:11

Still time for cordi to change a couple more riders. :D :P

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 16, 2022, 03:04

Quote from: Leadbelly on January 15, 2022, 22:11

Still time for cordi to change a couple more riders. :D :P

No more changes :)

I hope that the Koretzky-Askey affair pays better than the Vacek-Higuita :D

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 11:29

And they are off
With 25% of the field left behind as soon a the flag drops.

40 teams, which is more than we have had for a few years, and quite a few new entrants, which is great (although they are all from Cycling News, which makes the weighting of the inter-forum battle a bit askew).  It's always a bit disappointing when some regular players don't appear (HugoKoblet, Jakob747, Karaev, Kryvo, Ludwigzgz, Muddy Waters, Northerner, Yellow Knight): I hope all is OK, guys, and that you have simply had a busy week.

So, who have we got, and who have they got?
(As previously, asterisks indicate unique picks)


Amis Velo
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CHEVALIER Maxime   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VADER Milan   *
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Armchair Cyclist
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   COLNAGHI Luca   *
   HEALY Ben   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   

Berflamand
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HAYTER Leo   
   HOOLE Daan   
   LÜHRS Luis-Joe   
   MARTINEZ Lenny   
   NYS Thibau   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   SVRCEK Martin   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VERNON Ethan   

Blues in the Bottle
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   HAYTER Leo   
   PARET-PEINTRE Valentin   
   PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David   
   PIDCOCK Joseph   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   QUINN Sean   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STORK Florian   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERNON Ethan   

Bminchow
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   HAYTER Leo   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   Svrcek Martin   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   Uijtdebroeks Cian   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   

Bonimenier
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HOOLE Daan   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   NYS Thibau   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TURNER Ben   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Comodoro
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DRIZNERS Jarrad   
   EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian   *
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HEALY Ben   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   QUINN Sean   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VAN UDEN Casper   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   

Cordi
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   KORETZKY Victor   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   STEWART Campbell   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Del1962
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   HEALY Ben   
   HOOLE Daan   
   LAPEIRA Paul   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   MAYRHOFER Marius   
   O'BRIEN Kelland   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Devil's Elbow
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   LAMPERTI Luke   *
   NYS Thibau   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Edk Deus
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   FETTER Erik   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   NYS Thibau   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLOWRIGHT Jensen   *
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STORK Florian   
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   THOMPSON Reuben   *
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZAMBANINI Edoardo   

Evans is the Best
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   KORETZKY Victor   
   LE HUITOUZE Eddy   *
   MARTINEZ Lenny   
   NYS Thibau   
   QUINN Sean   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TOUMIRE Hugo   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VERNON Ethan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Fivezzz
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   QUINN Sean   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   SVRCEK Martin   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VERNON Ethan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Greenedge
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GALL Felix   *
   GAZZOLI Michele   
   GUDMESTAD Tord   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STAUNE-MITTET Johannes   
   SWEENY Harrison   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN UDEN Casper   
   VERNON Ethan   

Jon Ezeitza
   ANDERSEN Idar   
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BITTNER Pavel   *
   BRENNER Marco   
   HOOLE Daan   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   MIHOLJEVIC Fran   *
   PENHOËT Paul   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZAMBANINI Edoardo   

Josedin
   ANDERSEN Idar   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DELPHIS Thomas   *
   DRIZNERS Jarrad   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HOOLE Daan   
   KORETZKY Victor   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   SVRCEK Martin   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WILLEMS Thimo   *

Jumbo Visma Fan
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   EGHOLM Jakob   *
   HAYTER Leo   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   NYS Thibau   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STRONG Corbin   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERNON Ethan   

Kazistuta
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   HOOLE Daan   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   MONIQUET Sylvain   *
   PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   STORK Florian   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   

Koronin
   BRENNER Marco   
   CANAL BLANCO Carlos   *
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo   *
   GARCIA PIERNA Raul   *
   HESSMANN Michel   *
   HOLLMANN Juri   
   LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier   
   LÜHRS Luis-Joe   
   MIQUEL DELGADO Pau   *
   QUINN Sean   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SANCHEZ MAYO Pelayo   *
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   VERMAERKE Kevin   
   VERRE Alessandro   
   WANDAHL Frederik   

Laarsland
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   GUDMESTAD Tord   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HEIDUK Kim   
   LÜHRS Luis-Joe   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Leadbelly
   ASKEY Lewis   
   BALMER Alexandre   *
   BLOUWE Louis   *
   FRETIN Milan   *
   GAROFOLI Gianmarco   *
   HOLLYMAN Mason   *
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   KOPECKY Matyas   *
   MARTINELLI Alessio   
   MAYRHOFER Marius   
   PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   UHLIG Henri   *
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   VERRE Alessandro   

Los Brolin
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   EINHORN Itamar   *
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HAYTER Leo   
   LUND ANDRESEN Tobias   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   

Lukas CPH
   ANDERSEN Idar   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   CHEVALIER Maxime   
   FERRON Valentin   
   FETTER Erik   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   O'BRIEN Kelland   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   SWEENY Harrison   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Madrazo
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GAZZOLI Michele   
   NYS Thibau   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Nakazar
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   FETTER Erik   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HOOLE Daan   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   NYS Thibau   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   SVRCEK Martin   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Nathanptz
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   LAPEIRA Paul   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PENHOËT Paul   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   

Nyssinator
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   GUDMESTAD Tord   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HAYTER Leo   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   NYS Thibau   
   PARET-PEINTRE Valentin   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   STAUNE-MITTET Johannes   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VERNON Ethan   

Otoxiep87
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DRIZNERS Jarrad   
   JACOBS Johan   *
   LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PARRA CUERDA Jose Felix   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SCARONI Cristian   *
   TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DIJKE Tim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   

Ray10
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   DVERSNES Fredrik   *
   FERRON Valentin   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   HELLEMOSE Asbjørn   *
   LÜHRS Luis-Joe   
   PIDCOCK Joseph   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STAUNE-MITTET Johannes   
   TURNER Ben   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Redhead Dane
   ANDERSEN Kasper   *
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BERWICK Sebastian   *
   BOILEAU Alan   *
   CHEVALIER Maxime   
   HEALY Ben   
   HOLLMANN Juri   
   JUNTUNEN Antti-Jussi   *
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PAQUOT Tom   
   PRITZEN Marc Oliver   *
   QUINN Sean   
   STRONG Corbin   
   VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Repre
   ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BERTHET Clément   
   BRENNER Marco   
   PAQUOT Tom   
   PARET-PEINTRE Valentin   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   PRODHOMME Nicolas   *
   QUINN Sean   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TURNER Ben   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   

Riverside
   ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego   *
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   JONES TAJ   *
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   OLIVEIRA Ivo Emanuel Alves   *
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   RANGEL COSTA Vinicius   
   RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith   *
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STORK Florian   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   VERRE Alessandro   
   VERVLOESEM Xandres   *

Rote Laterne
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BERTHET Clément   
   FERRON Valentin   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

Rufs
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   FETTER Erik   
   HEIDUK Kim   
   HOOLE Daan   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   MAYRHOFER Marius   
   PEÑALVER ANIORTE Manuel   *
   PLAPP Lucas   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   

SafeBet
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   LIPOWITZ Florian   *
   MILAN Jonathan   
   NYS Thibau   
   OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PITHIE Laurence   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VERNON Ethan   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Salvarani
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BRENNER Marco   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   LAPEIRA Paul   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   QUINN Sean   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   STEWART Campbell   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   
   WANDAHL Frederik   

Scrooll07
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   HEIDUK Kim   
   HOOLE Daan   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   LEEMREIZE Gijs   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEWART Campbell   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio   
   VAN GILS Maxim   
   VAN TRICHT Stan   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZINGLE Axel   

Skidmark
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   BERTHET Clément   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GREGOIRE Romain   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   LEITAO Iuri Gabriel Dantas   *
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   VERNON Ethan   

Squire
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BERTHET Clément   
   BRENNER Marco   
   DE LIE Arnaud   
   GLOAG Thomas   
   NYS Thibau   
   PICCOLO Andrea   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   VANDENABEELE Henri   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   
   ZINGLE Axel   
   ZWIEHOFF Ben   *

Vladimir
   ASKEY Lewis   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BRENNER Marco   
   BRUSSENSKIY Gleb   *
   HAGENES Per Strand   
   MARTINELLI Alessio   
   MAYRHOFER Marius   
   MILAN Jonathan   
   MURGUIALDAY ELORZA Jokin   *
   NYS Thibau   
   PICCOLO Andrea
   PONOMAR Andriy   
   SHEFFIELD Magnus   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   TIBERI Antonio   
   TOUMIRE Hugo   
   UIJTDEBROEKS Cian   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 11:59

The Riders
In case you weren't counting, there are 131 of them named above, 51 with asterisks.

At the other end of the scale, we have (I think) a new record for popularity of pick in any CQ game: Ayuso is on 95% of teams.  As far as Emerging games are concerned, Evenepoel, who surely was more hyped, was on, I think, 34 of 37 teams, and IIRC, Simon Yates was on all but 2 teams when he was at this stage, but I can't remember how many entrants there were that year (I'll look it up later).

38 teams: AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
32: BARONCINI Filippo
30: PLAPP Lucas (bringing a 100 point head start)
27: BRENNER Marco
25: UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
24: DE LIE Arnaud
22: TIBERI Antonio, VERNON Ethan
21: UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
20: ASKEY Lewis
19: ROMO OLIVER Javier, VANDENABEELE Henri
16: VAN TRICHT Stan
15: PICCOLO Andrea, SHEFFIELD Magnus, STEINHAUSER Georg
14: LEEMREIZE Gijs, WAERENSKJOLD Søren
There are 18 names above this: they are the Collective Wisdom team
13: VAN GILS Maxim
12: GREGOIRE Romain, NYS Thibau
11: BAYER Tobias, JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
9: HOOLE Daan, VAN DIJKE Tim, ZINGLE Axel
8: HAGENES Per Strand, QUINN Sean
7: PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan, RANGEL COSTA Vinicius
6: ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo, GLOAG Thomas, HAYTER Leo, HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby, PONOMAR Andriy, VERMAERKE Kevin
5: PITHIE Laurence, SVRCEK Martin
4: BERTHET Clément, CHARMIG Anthon, FETTER Erik, HEALY Ben, LÜHRS Luis-Joe, MAYRHOFER Marius, MILAN Jonathan, RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik, STORK Florian, VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio
3: ANDERSEN Idar, CHEVALIER Maxime, DRIZNERS Jarrad, FERRON Valentin, GUDMESTAD Tord, HEIDUK Kim, KORETZKY Victor, LAPEIRA Paul, PARET-PEINTRE Valentin, PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David, STAUNE-MITTET Johannes, STEWART Campbell, TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso, TURNER Ben, VERRE Alessandro
2:  CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres, GAZZOLI Michele, HOLLMANN Juri, LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier, MARTINELLI Alessio, MARTINEZ Lenny, O'BRIEN Kelland, OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro, PAQUOT Tom, PENHOËT Paul, PIDCOCK Joseph, STRONG Corbin, SWEENY Harrison, TOUMIRE Hugo, VAN UDEN Casper, WANDAHL Frederik, ZAMBANINI Edoardo

And yet there will be riders who score well by the end of the 3 years who are not on these lists, who will embarrass us all and will be logged as the Collective Ignorance team.  (we don't know who they are yet, but it might be fun to guess)

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 13:32

Team popularity

In case anyone is new, the popularity table ranks the teams according to the number of teams each of their riders is on.  For example, nearly all of us got 38 points for Ayuso, while any unique picks on your team will have got you just one point. Koronin and Leadbelly are the two that lack Ayuso, Redhead Dane somehow positions herself lower in the popularity table than Leadbelly despite that.

	Team	Popularity pts	Unique picks
1	Bminchow	362	0
2	AmisVelo	353	1
3	Bonimenier	333	0
4	Cordi	332	0
4	Fivezzz	332	0
4	Skidmark	332	1
7	Madrazo	323	0
7	Squire	323	1
9	SafeBet	321	1
10	Armchair_Cyclist	308	1
11	DevilsElbow	307	1
12	Nakazar	306	0
13	LosBrolin	301	2
14	Laarsland	296	0
15	RoteLaterne	290	0
16	Rufs	288	1
17	Del1962	287	0
17	Nyssinator	287	0
19	Kazistuta	285	1
20	Scrooll07	283	0
21	JumboVismaFan	282	1
21	Salvarani	282	0
23	Nathanptz	277	0
24	Berflamand	276	0
25	Repre	274	1
26	EvansIsTheBest	273	1
27	Otoxiep87	271	3
28	Comodoro	257	1
29	Josedin	256	2
30	JonEzeitza	250	2
31	Greenedge	249	1
32	EdkDeus	247	2
33	Vladimir	238	2
34	Blues_in_the_Bottle	237	0
35	Riverside	235	5
36	Ray10	231	2
37	LukasCPH	222	0
38	Leadbelly	143	7
39	RedheadDane	126	5
40	Koronin	125	6
	CollectiveWisdom	388	0
	CollectiveIgnorance	0	18
	MainGame2022	344	0
	Goodin2021	143	4

Bminchow's team was high, but by no means top, until he sent in three changes that greatly boosted his standings here: whether De Lie, Leemreize and Vernon give a greater boost than Ardila, Drizners and Van Dijke to the final score remains to be seen.

I should have mentioned in the post above that there were some interesting swings in the popularity of riders: Baroncini was as popular  as Ayuso for a long time, but later submissions had a far lower rate of inclusion for him; Leemrieze, Vandenabeele and Romo all hung on to the top 18, but were among the top 6 or 8 for a long time, and a few riders were notable for their frequency in the entries of the last couple of days: Sheffield, Gregoire,Nys and Bayer.  And although Koretsky was only on 3 teams, they were, if memory serves me well, three of the final five to arrive.

I have already explained above the Collective Wisdom and Ignorance teams, but there are two others in the bottom bit of the list that might need explaining. 
The Main Game 2022 team is made up of the most popular players in the main annual CQ game, hosted by Skidmark, that are still eligible here.  There is a difference in player base, but also a difference in pricing priorities, in that game, so there Uitdebroeks is very close to Ayuso, and a long way clear of Baroncini in popularity there as opposed to here.  No unique picks here, but Milan Vader is on 6 teams there and only 1 here: Javier Romo is on 19 teams here, but only 5 there.
Good in 2021 represents, I suppose, the laziest way of selecting a team; they are the top 18 scoring riders in 2021 that are still eligible here.  Low in the popularity rankings because it necessarily excludes those coming up from the juniors, and maybe because of a tendency against choosing again riders who didn't perform as we hoped in Year 1 of the previous edition.  But no-one thought that Wirtgen, Delettre, Zoccarato or Hocevar had done enough last year to be worth a punt here?


The make up of the CI team will constantly change, and it expect it to lead for about a year and a half, as it cannot contain anyone who has not yet performed well.  But who might it contain at the end of 2024?  Who did you consider, but omit, and you were surprised to see that he is not one of the 115 riders that someone else fancied?  On those grounds, I will propose Sam Welsford (and perhaps those 4 from the Good in 2021 team) as likely to feature in Collective Ignorance.  Who do you think will be there?

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Leadbelly on January 16, 2022, 13:57

Woo hoo got a mention. :lol

Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 13:32

The make up of the CI team will constantly change, and it expect it to lead for about a year and a half, as it cannot contain anyone who has not yet performed well.  But who might it contain at the end of 2024?  Who did you consider, but omit, and you were surprised to see that he is not one of the 115 riders that someone else fancied? 

Just checking and the only two I had on the long list that didn't make it onto anybody's team are Riccitello and Martin Lopez. Maybe the latter has the best chance of doing something. He got some special advice from Guama which he is putting in practice - work on your TT!

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on January 16, 2022, 15:22

I'm greatly surprised Reuben Thompson is a unique pick. Winner of Aosta lads!

Was one of the 3 youngster I sacked (alongside Askey and rare pick Toumire) to make room for the addition of those 3 older guys coming from other sports, that were Romo (a triathlete until 2020, high in the popularity ranking), Stewart (track rider until 2021, silver in omniun in the OG) and Koretzky (mtb rider, quite older than the rest, who's going to make a shot to road racing starting this year). The frenchman was a high risk pick I just decided in the last minute, but even knowing that, he isn't a unique pick  :angry

Other good unique pick is Felix Parra, one of the main leaders of spanish PT Kern Pharma, that is going to have a great calendar (is expected to go to the Vuelta a España). Late bloomer but good climber, was in my last short list before cuting to make it 18 riders. Fetter and Sweeny were other 2 rare picks that were so close to enter my team.

...
In the first long list I made (of rougly 70 riders) there are some for the CI team: Not too exciting pros like Lars van den Berg, Simon Guglielmi or Joel Suter, a good looking neo pro like Maurice Ballerstedt and a kid coming fresh from juniors with big potential like Alec Segaert.

Also there are like 20 of the unique picks of other managers. I don't know why, but in the end I always bet on the ones that become mainstream  :lol

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 16:45

Odds and ends

If we were to rank the teams by the number of career points their riders had before the game starts (obviously less than 200 for each of them), we would have:

1	RedheadDane	2610
2	LukasCPH	2507
3	Scrooll07	2294
4	RoteLaterne	2113
5	JonEzeitza	2011
6	Rufs	2006
7	Otoxiep87	1995
8	Del1962	1896
9	Repre	1880
10	Armchair_Cyclist	1879
11	Fivezzz	1859
12	Greenedge	1851
13	Salvarani	1846
14	DevilsElbow	1818
15	AmisVelo	1755
16	Madrazo	1752
17	SafeBet	1733
18	EdkDeus	1649
19	Squire	1618
20	Nakazar	1614
21	Bonimenier	1578
22	Kazistuta	1538
23	Bminchow	1513
24	Comodoro	1496
25	Cordi	1494
26	Skidmark	1467
27	Riverside	1447
28	Nathanptz	1392
29	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1386
30	LosBrolin	1385
31	JumboVismaFan	1353
32	Ray10	1272
33	Laarsland	1256
34	Josedin	1235
35	EvansIsTheBest	1227
36	Nyssinator	1111
37	Koronin	1029
38	Vladimir	1015
39	Berflamand	845
40	Leadbelly	731
	CollectiveWisdom	1630
	CollectiveIgnorance	0
	MainGame2022	1118
	Goodin2021	2969

I'm not sure that that demonstrates much other than propensity to go for riders who have already established themselves a bit.  No surprise that the Good in 21 team outscores everyone, something of a surprise that RHD and Lukas get as close to that score as they do.  Leadbelly's score reflects his self imposed handicap of only having riders with a maximum pre-game career of 100 rather than 200.

Inter Forum Challenge
Eight of our players represent (by virtue of submitting their teams there) Team VeloRooms: AmisVelo, Cordi, Josedin, Leadbelly, LukasCPH, Otoxiep87, RoteLaterne and Scrooll07
Everyone else (apart from me: strictly neutral of course) is on the CN Forum team (31 of you).
Inter-forum rivalry is determined by mean average score.

Last year we had a group who additionally represented Equipo Parliamento Ciclismo, of whom I think only 4 remain (Cordi, Comodoro, Jon E and Josedin: have I got that right?)  I can include them again, but are there any other Spanish/Iberian players who would like that team expanded to include them?  Anyone else think they can claim a group identity with a minimum of say 5 from the entrants to put up an average score?  Scandis? Anyone other than myself and (I assume) Del old enough for a "Rebellin is a youngster" team?  Have we ever identified a large contingent of any particular profession on the boards?   And collectivity you care to propose, put it up here and if you can get a group of at least 5 and I'll include them. You will still be on your forum's panel, and you can be in more than one group, but even if your team turns out to be a flop, it will give you something to cheer for.

Team similarity
Obviously the higher popularity teams are the ones most similar to any other team, but the maximum co-incidence in selection is 13 (Amis Velo and Bminchow, the two most popular teams) but also Rufs and Scrool07.
There are also several overlaps of 12 riders:
Amis Velo with Armchair, Bonimenier and Fivezzz
Bminchow with Fivezzz and Skidmark
Devil's Elbow with Squire
Madrazo with Squire

In terms of similarity with Collective Wisdom, Bminchow and Amis Velo each have 15, then Cordi (14), Skidmark (13, also the Main Game selection) and Fivezzz and Squire (12 each).

Despite omitting Ayuso, Leadbelly and Koronin manage to find some common ground with everyone else, even each other (they share Akessandro Verre, also picked by Riverside) except that Leadbelly and Redhead Dane find no common interest at all: their teams are totally mutually exclusive.

Amis Velo, Cordi and Squire draw equally on the Main game team, with 12: Redhead Dane has just 1.
Lukas has 9 of the 'Good in 2021' team: no-one else has more than 6 of them (Leadbelly, for reasons already pointed out, has none).

There is a tab on the spreadsheet to show your similarity to other teams.

Current standings
Other than new Aussie champ Plapp (100 pts, 30 teams), I believe the only other selected rider off the mark is Laurence Pithie (17 points from NZ Classic, 5 teams), which would mean that we have 4 joint leaders (Devil's Elbow, Los Brolin, Nakazar and SafeBet), with Comodoro in 31st place.

Spreadsheet
Unless Google does something unexpected,  the spreadsheet should remain here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-NgRnHyYmscvMHOE9VcoQ8lCQePDm0YG?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs) indefinitely. See what else you can discover in it!

I aim to do updates early each month, life (and other CQ games) sometimes interferes with that. I don't always include the link to the spreadsheet when I post them, but you know where to find it now.

You are locked in for three long years now: enjoy the unveiling of heroes and the dismemberment of dreams.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: rote_laterne on January 16, 2022, 18:03

I'm a bit surprised about the many Askey and Vernon picks. Askey is likely used as lead out and Vernon probably too. But then I don't follow track and it's always a risk leaving out  #deceuninck neo-pros.

Riders I thought would be more popular: Vader, Edvardsen-Fredheim, Thompson, Garifoli, Bittner, Balmer.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 18:42

Leon Heinschke/Hugo Page/Edoardo Zambanini might appear in the CI team, but I'm not sure they are omissions that I regret (but ask me again in late 2024...)

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: LukasCPH on January 16, 2022, 21:49

Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 11:29

Lukas CPH
   ANDERSEN Idar   
   AYUSO PESQUERA Juan   
   BARONCINI Filippo   
   BAYER Tobias   
   CHARMIG Anthon   
   CHEVALIER Maxime   
   FERRON Valentin   
   FETTER Erik   
   HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby   
   JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland   
   O'BRIEN Kelland   
   PLAPP Lucas   
   RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik   
   ROMO OLIVER Javier   
   STEINHAUSER Georg   
   SWEENY Harrison   
   UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago   
   WAERENSKJOLD Søren   

No unique picks! :o I think that's a first for me.

Quote from: Armchair Cyclist on January 16, 2022, 13:32

Team popularity

	Team	Popularity pts	Unique picks
37	LukasCPH	222	0

But nevertheless a very 'unpopular' team all around. I choose to interpret that as having picked riders that only few others thought of, but that were nevertheless not so obscure as to be unique picks. In other words, a very good selection.

Quote from: Cordi on January 16, 2022, 15:22

I'm greatly surprised Reuben Thompson is a unique pick. Winner of Aosta lads!

He was on my shortlist for a long time, but eventually I didn't pick him as he 'only' has 64 career points until now. So he can score up to 135 points with #cgf this season and still be available for 2023-2025 (when he'll probably move up to the WT team), in which case I'd definitely pick him.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 01, 2022, 00:10

Year 1 Month 1 to 30th January

14 of our chosen riders (and 65 others who were eligible) have scored points, led by wins for Plapp (100 pts, 30 teams) and De Lie (80 pts, 24 teams)

Other major early scorers mentioned alongside their pickers:

1	Greenedge	239	Gall & Gummestad
2	Squire	208	Zwiehoff
3	Nakazar	207	Pithie & Hoole
4	Rufs	200	Penalver and Hoole
5	DevilsElbow	197	Pithie
5	LosBrolin	197	"
5	SafeBet	197	"
8	Laarsland	195	Gudmestad
8	Nyssinator	195	"
10	Berflamand	190	Hoole
10	Bonimenier	190	"
10	Kazistuta	190	"
10	Scrooll07	190	"
14	AmisVelo	180
14	Bminchow	180
14	Cordi	180
14	Fivezzz	180
14	JumboVismaFan	180
14	Madrazo	180
14	Nathanptz	180
14	Ray10	180
22	Armchair_Cyclist	132	Colnaghi
23	Riverside	113
24	Del1962	110
24	Josedin	110
26	Otoxiep87	105
27	Blues_in_the_Bottle	100
27	LukasCPH	100
27	Repre	100
27	RoteLaterne	100
31	Koronin	93
32	Salvarani	87
33	Skidmark	80
34	Comodoro	17
35	JonEzeitza	10
36	EdkDeus	0
36	EvansIsTheBest	0
36	Leadbelly	0
36	RedheadDane	0
36	Vladimir	0
	CollectiveWisdom	180
	CollectiveIgnorance	524
	MainGame2022	180
	Goodin2021	5

Two members of Collective Ignorance (James Whelan and Joel Suter) have already put themselves out of contention for next year's edition.

Flashes in the pan or showing what to expect? We'll see.

At least it gives me a chance to check the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-NgRnHyYmscvMHOE9VcoQ8lCQePDm0YG?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs)

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on February 28, 2022, 19:37

Year 1, month 2 31 January to 27th February
The season has crept north, and plenty of our picks have started their campaign.

Rider	Pts this month	Teams	Source
VAN GILS Maxim	149	13	Saudi Tour wins GC and a stage
CHARMIG Anthon	148	4	7th in Saudi and 5th with a stage in Oman
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	84	38	4th in Drome and Ardeche and Valenciana pts
SHEFFIELD Magnus	56	15	Stage win and GC top 20 in Andalucia
PLAPP Lucas	44	30
VANDENABEELE Henri	44	19
VERMAERKE Kevin	36	6
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego	35	1
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso	34	3
PRITZEN Marc Oliver	30	1

Rank this month		Pts this month	Main scorers
1	Nathanptz	589	Van Gils/Charmig/Ayuso/Sheffield/Plapp/Vandenabeele
2	Salvarani	507	Van Gils/Charmig/Ayuso/Vandenabeele
3	Bminchow	441	Van Gils/Ayuso/Sheffield/Plapp/Vandenabeele
4	Armchair_Cyclist	392	Van Gils/Ayuso/Plapp/Vandenabeele/Tejada
5	Repre	379
6	Comodoro	377
7	Blues_in_the_Bottle	354
8	RedheadDane	348
9	EvansIsTheBest	341
10	Greenedge	335
10	Rufs	335
12	LukasCPH	325
13	JumboVismaFan	324
14	Scrooll07	323
15	SafeBet	319
16	Madrazo	318
17	Josedin	291
18	JonEzeitza	285
19	Cordi	262
20	Kazistuta	261
21	Berflamand	252
22	Del1962	247
23	LosBrolin	246
24	Riverside	245
25	Ray10	243
26	Otoxiep87	238
27	Laarsland	229
28	DevilsElbow	225
29	Bonimenier	224
30	Skidmark	223
31	AmisVelo	214
32	Vladimir	209
33	Squire	199
34	Nyssinator	181
35	Fivezzz	174
36	Nakazar	173
36	RoteLaterne	173
38	Koronin	166
39	EdkDeus	161
40	Leadbelly	113
	CollectiveWisdom	267
	CollectiveIgnorance	655	Hindsgaul/Vauquelin/Wirtgen
	MainGame2022	255
	Goodin2021	527

Standings
There were far more points available in February than January, so this is very much weighted towards this month.

Rank	Team	Total	Change in position
1	Nathanptz	769	13
2	Bminchow	621	12
3	Salvarani	594	29
4	Greenedge	574	-3
5	Rufs	535	-1
6	Armchair_Cyclist	524	16
7	SafeBet	516	-2
8	Scrooll07	513	2
9	JumboVismaFan	504	5
10	Madrazo	498	4
11	Repre	479	16
12	Blues_in_the_Bottle	454	15
13	Kazistuta	451	-3
14	LosBrolin	443	-9
15	Cordi	442	-1
15	Berflamand	442	-5
17	LukasCPH	425	10
18	Laarsland	424	-10
19	Ray10	423	-5
20	DevilsElbow	422	-15
21	Bonimenier	414	-11
22	Squire	407	-20
23	Josedin	401	1
24	Comodoro	394	10
24	AmisVelo	394	-10
26	Nakazar	380	-23
27	Nyssinator	376	-19
28	Riverside	358	-5
29	Del1962	357	-5
30	Fivezzz	354	-16
31	RedheadDane	348	5
32	Otoxiep87	343	-6
33	EvansIsTheBest	341	3
34	Skidmark	303	-1
35	JonEzeitza	295	0
36	RoteLaterne	273	-9
37	Koronin	259	-6
38	Vladimir	209	-2
39	EdkDeus	161	-3
40	Leadbelly	113	-4
	CollectiveWisdom	447
	CollectiveIgnorance	1031
	MainGame2022	435
	Goodin2021	532

That's a big lead for so early in the game, but it will only be relevant if Van Gils, Charmig, Ayuso and Plapp remain at the top of this cohort for another three years.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on April 04, 2022, 23:07

Year 1, Month 3 28 February to 3 April

The season has now started in earnest, and one of our popular picks, at least, looks like he means business with a fistful of results already.

Rider	Pts this month	Teams	Source
DE LIE Arnaud	317	24	Win Monsere & Limburg/3rd Nokere/top ten Koksijde/De Panne/Le Samyn
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	217	38	2nd Laigueglia/5th Catalunya
ZINGLE Axel	116	9	Route Adelie win/Cholet 7th
VERNON Ethan	110	22	Catalunya stage win/Monsere 5th/Nokere 11th
TIBERI Antonio	89	22	5th Coppi e Bartali/8th Ind & Art
ASKEY Lewis	84	20	2nd Loire Atlantique
TURNER Benjamin	73	3
WAERENSKJOLD Søren	66	14
O'BRIEN Kelland	59	2
FERRON Valentin	54	3

5 very popular picks scoring well, so plenty of points around this month:

Rank this month		Pts this month	Main scorers (+ De Lie & Ayuso)
1	DevilsElbow	1056	Zingle/Vernon/Tiberi/Askey/Waerenskjold
2	Ray10	1028	Zingle/Askey/Turner/Waerenskjold/Ferron
3	Nakazar	991	Vernon/Tiberi/Askey/Waerenskjold
4	Scrooll07	970	Zingle/Tiberi/Askey/Waerenskjold
5	Fivezzz	967	Zingle/Vernon/Tiberi/Askey
6	Bonimenier	949
7	SafeBet	943
8	Squire	938
9	AmisVelo	934
10	Bminchow	917
11	Skidmark	910
12	Salvarani	909
13	Madrazo	879
14	Cordi	872
15	Greenedge	856
16	LosBrolin	838
17	Rufs	801
18	Laarsland	754
19	Berflamand	741
20	Nyssinator	730
21	JumboVismaFan	726
22	Nathanptz	722
23	Del1962	720
24	Kazistuta	699
25	JonEzeitza	602
26	EdkDeus	581
27	EvansIsTheBest	542
28	Armchair_Cyclist	503
29	Comodoro	484
30	RoteLaterne	482
31	Vladimir	477
32	Repre	471
33	LukasCPH	458
34	Josedin	450
35	Koronin	434
36	Blues_in_the_Bottle	418
37	Riverside	413
38	RedheadDane	354
39	Otoxiep87	328
40	Leadbelly	241
	CollectiveWisdom	959
	CollectiveIgnorance	703
	MainGame2022	904
	Goodin2021	552

Standings
Most teams scored more in March than they had previously, so the table is still very volatile.

Rank	Team	Total	Change in position
1	Bminchow	1538	1
2	Salvarani	1503	1
3	Nathanptz	1491	-2
4	Scrooll07	1483	4
5	DevilsElbow	1478	15
6	SafeBet	1459	1
7	Ray10	1451	12
8	Greenedge	1430	-4
9	Madrazo	1377	1
10	Nakazar	1371	16
11	Bonimenier	1363	10
12	Squire	1345	10
13	Rufs	1336	-8
14	AmisVelo	1328	10
15	Fivezzz	1321	15
16	Cordi	1314	-1
17	LosBrolin	1281	-3
18	JumboVismaFan	1230	-9
19	Skidmark	1213	15
20	Berflamand	1183	-5
21	Laarsland	1178	-3
22	Kazistuta	1150	-9
23	Nyssinator	1106	4
24	Del1962	1077	5
25	Armchair_Cyclist	1027	-19
26	Repre	950	-15
27	JonEzeitza	897	8
28	EvansIsTheBest	883	5
28	LukasCPH	883	-11
30	Comodoro	878	-6
31	Blues_in_the_Bottle	872	-19
32	Josedin	851	-9
33	Riverside	771	-5
34	RoteLaterne	755	2
35	EdkDeus	742	4
36	RedheadDane	702	-5
37	Koronin	693	0
38	Vladimir	686	0
39	Otoxiep87	671	-7
40	Leadbelly	354	0
	CollectiveWisdom	1406
	CollectiveIgnorance	1436
	MainGame2022	1339
	Goodin2021	1084

Collective Ignorance usually holds a huge lead until well into Year 2: maybe we didn't miss as many as we have in the past.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on May 04, 2022, 09:11

Year 1 Month 4  4th April to 1st May

	Pts this month	Teams	Main scoring races
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	162	38	4th in GC and stage 3rd in Romandie
SHEFFIELD Magnus	140	15	Brabantse Pijl win
GALL Felix	118	1	12th Itzulia GC and 6th in Alps
TURNER Benjamin	117	3	Brabantse Pijl 4th & Paris-Roubaix 11th
ZINGLE Axel	112	9	5th Circuit Sarthe & 3rd Jura
PLAPP Lucas	84	30
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland	72	11
DE LIE Arnaud	68	24
FERRON Valentin	63	3
VAN UDEN Casper	63	2
QUINN Sean	52	8

Take the inclusion of Ayuso and Sheffield as a given in the top teams whose scorers this month I mention.

Rank this month		Pts this month	Main scorers
1	Ray10	856	Turer/Zingle/Plapp/De Lie/Ferron
2	Nathanptz	714	Plapp/Johannessen/De Lie
3	Laarsland	683	Zingle/Plapp/De Lie
4	JumboVismaFan	652	Plapp/Johannessen/De Lie
5	Bonimenier	642	Plapp/Johannessen/De Lie
6	EvansIsTheBest	627	Zingle/Quinn
7	Skidmark	615
8	Bminchow	604
9	LosBrolin	599
10	Berflamand	576
10	Repre	576
12	Comodoro	562
13	Greenedge	556
13	Cordi	556
15	Blues_in_the_Bottle	554
16	Squire	549
17	Kazistuta	543
18	Fivezzz	539
19	Josedin	536
20	SafeBet	508
21	DevilsElbow	506
22	Scrooll07	505
23	Madrazo	497
24	RoteLaterne	452
25	AmisVelo	446
26	Riverside	444
27	Nyssinator	440
28	Nakazar	439
29	Armchair_Cyclist	424
30	Salvarani	417
31	LukasCPH	415
32	Rufs	400
33	Otoxiep87	399
34	Del1962	394
35	JonEzeitza	389
36	EdkDeus	371
37	Vladimir	369
38	Koronin	335
39	RedheadDane	296
40	Leadbelly	178
	CollectiveWisdom	586
	CollectiveIgnorance	788
	MainGame2022	573
	Goodin2021	498

Standings
4th month, 4th leader and still very large jumps in the table.

Rank	Team	Total	Change in position
1	Ray10	2307	6
2	Nathanptz	2205	1
3	Bminchow	2142	-2
4	Bonimenier	2005	7
5	Scrooll07	1988	-1
6	Greenedge	1986	2
7	DevilsElbow	1984	-2
8	SafeBet	1967	-2
9	Salvarani	1920	-7
10	Squire	1894	2
11	JumboVismaFan	1882	7
12	LosBrolin	1880	5
13	Madrazo	1874	-4
14	Cordi	1870	2
15	Laarsland	1861	6
16	Fivezzz	1860	-1
17	Skidmark	1828	2
18	Nakazar	1810	-8
19	AmisVelo	1774	-5
20	Berflamand	1759	0
21	Rufs	1736	-8
22	Kazistuta	1693	0
23	Nyssinator	1546	0
24	Repre	1526	2
25	EvansIsTheBest	1510	3
26	Del1962	1471	-2
27	Armchair_Cyclist	1451	-2
28	Comodoro	1440	2
29	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1426	2
30	Josedin	1387	2
31	LukasCPH	1298	-3
32	JonEzeitza	1286	-5
33	Riverside	1215	0
34	RoteLaterne	1207	0
35	EdkDeus	1113	0
36	Otoxiep87	1070	3
37	Vladimir	1055	1
38	Koronin	1028	-1
39	RedheadDane	998	-3
40	Leadbelly	532	0
	CollectiveWisdom	1992
	CollectiveIgnorance	1943
	MainGame2022	1912
	Goodin2021	1582

A handful of these guys are in the Giro, but there are other races in May.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on May 30, 2022, 19:02

Year 1, Month 5 2nd to 29th May

I'm about to find out what other racing I have been missing while focussed on the Giro...

DE LIE Arnaud	207	24	Marcel Kint win/Tro Bro Leon 4th/Veenendaal 3rd
ANDERSEN Idar	135	3	Boucles de l'Aulne win/Mayenne 8th
LEEMREIZE Gijs	127	14	2nd and 3rd in stages and 28th on GC in Giro
PLAPP Lucas	117	30	Tour of Norway 3rd
ZINGLE Axel	76	9
NYS Thibau	73	12
SHEFFIELD Magnus	62	15
ZAMBANINI Edoardo	56	2
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian	50	25

This month

1	Nakazar	743	De Lie/Leemreize/Plapp/Nys/Uijtdebroeks
2	Bminchow	679	De Lie/Leemreize/Plapp/Sheffield/Uijtdebroeks
3	Bonimenier	647	De Lie/Leemreize/Plapp/Nys/Uijtdebroeks
4	Fivezzz	646	De Lie/Leemreize/Plapp/Zingle
5	Madrazo	634	De Lie/Plapp/Zingle/Nys/Uijtdebroeks
6	Scrooll07	631	De Lie/Leemreize/Plapp/Zingle
7	SafeBet	625
8	Nathanptz	623
9	Squire	604
10	DevilsElbow	598
11	Berflamand	591
12	AmisVelo	589
13	JumboVismaFan	587
14	Ray10	577
15	Laarsland	572
16	LosBrolin	571
17	Nyssinator	553
18	Rufs	552
19	Kazistuta	485
20	Cordi	484
21	Greenedge	474
22	Skidmark	472
23	JonEzeitza	463
24	Josedin	456
25	Armchair_Cyclist	417
26	Salvarani	404
27	EvansIsTheBest	388
28	Otoxiep87	373
29	Del1962	365
30	Riverside	362
31	LukasCPH	351
32	Koronin	334
33	Blues_in_the_Bottle	312
34	Vladimir	278
35	Repre	270
35	Comodoro	270
37	EdkDeus	269
38	RoteLaterne	256
39	RedheadDane	231
40	Leadbelly	106
	CollectiveWisdom	651
	CollectiveIgnorance	341
	MainGame2022	612
	Goodin2021	344

Standings
Surprisingly stable for so early in the game

1	Ray10	2884	0
2	Nathanptz	2828	0
3	Bminchow	2821	0
4	Bonimenier	2652	0
5	Scrooll07	2619	0
6	SafeBet	2592	2
7	DevilsElbow	2582	0
8	Nakazar	2553	10
9	Madrazo	2508	4
10	Fivezzz	2506	6
11	Squire	2498	-1
12	JumboVismaFan	2469	-1
13	Greenedge	2460	-7
14	LosBrolin	2451	-2
15	Laarsland	2433	0
16	AmisVelo	2363	3
17	Cordi	2354	-3
18	Berflamand	2350	2
19	Salvarani	2324	-10
20	Skidmark	2300	-3
21	Rufs	2288	0
22	Kazistuta	2178	0
23	Nyssinator	2099	0
24	EvansIsTheBest	1898	1
25	Armchair_Cyclist	1868	2
26	Josedin	1843	4
27	Del1962	1836	-1
28	Repre	1796	-4
29	JonEzeitza	1749	3
30	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1738	-1
31	Comodoro	1710	-3
32	LukasCPH	1649	-1
33	Riverside	1577	0
34	RoteLaterne	1463	0
35	Otoxiep87	1443	1
36	EdkDeus	1382	-1
37	Koronin	1362	1
38	Vladimir	1333	-1
39	RedheadDane	1229	0
40	Leadbelly	638	0
	CollectiveWisdom	2643
	CollectiveIgnorance	2152
	MainGame2022	2524
	Goodin2021	1926

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on July 04, 2022, 23:59

Year 1 Month 6 30 May to 3 July

DE LIE Arnaud	259	24	Heistse Pijl and Limburg wins with 6th in Nats and Aarschot
HOOLE Daan	130	9	2nd (RR) and 3rd (TT) in Nats
TURNER Benjamin	120	3	5th ZLM tour and 4th Nats.
ZINGLE Axel	96	9	3rd in Nats
BARONCINI Filippo	90	32	5th in both Nats races
BAYER Tobias	86	11
WILLEMS Thimo	78	1
VAN TRICHT Stan	68	15
PICCOLO Andrea	67	15
HEALY Ben	60	4

1	LosBrolin	855	De Lie/Baroncini/Bayer/Piccolo
2	Bonimenier	836	De Lie/Hoole/Turner/Baroncini/Van Tricht
3	Scrooll07	812	De Lie/Hoole/Zingle/Baroncini/Van Tricht
4	Nakazar	805
5	Berflamand	803
6	Fivezzz	800
7	Madrazo	797
8	Ray10	761
8	Laarsland	761
10	Skidmark	749
11	Kazistuta	739
12	DevilsElbow	736
13	Rufs	733
14	Squire	714
15	Bminchow	702
16	Salvarani	693
17	JumboVismaFan	686
18	SafeBet	655
19	Cordi	632
20	Nyssinator	609
21	Koronin	570
22	Greenedge	548
23	AmisVelo	537
24	Nathanptz	517
25	EvansIsTheBest	516
26	RoteLaterne	513
27	Comodoro	504
28	Otoxiep87	471
29	Repre	459
30	Del1962	456
31	JonEzeitza	453
32	Josedin	452
33	EdkDeus	412
34	Vladimir	375
35	LukasCPH	360
36	Blues_in_the_Bottle	358
37	RedheadDane	327
38	Armchair_Cyclist	321
39	Leadbelly	276
40	Riverside	244
	CollectiveWisdom	728
	CollectiveIgnorance	950	Double/Govekar/Van Poucke
	MainGame2022	672
	Goodin2021	439

Standings
The positional changes are mainly small, but so are the gaps.

1	Ray10	3645	0
2	Bminchow	3523	1
3	Bonimenier	3488	1
4	Scrooll07	3431	1
5	Nakazar	3358	3
6	Nathanptz	3345	-4
7	DevilsElbow	3318	0
8	LosBrolin	3306	6
8	Fivezzz	3306	2
10	Madrazo	3305	-1
11	SafeBet	3247	-5
12	Squire	3212	-1
13	Laarsland	3194	2
14	JumboVismaFan	3155	-2
15	Berflamand	3153	3
16	Skidmark	3049	4
17	Rufs	3021	4
18	Salvarani	3017	1
19	Greenedge	3008	-6
20	Cordi	2986	-3
21	Kazistuta	2917	1
22	AmisVelo	2900	-6
23	Nyssinator	2708	0
24	EvansIsTheBest	2414	0
25	Josedin	2295	1
26	Del1962	2292	1
27	Repre	2255	1
28	Comodoro	2214	3
29	JonEzeitza	2202	0
30	Armchair_Cyclist	2189	-5
31	Blues_in_the_Bottle	2096	-1
32	LukasCPH	2009	0
33	RoteLaterne	1976	1
34	Koronin	1932	3
35	Otoxiep87	1914	0
36	Riverside	1821	-3
37	EdkDeus	1794	-1
38	Vladimir	1708	0
39	RedheadDane	1556	0
40	Leadbelly	914	0
	CollectiveWisdom	3371
	CollectiveIgnorance	2770
	MainGame2022	3196
	Goodin2021	2365

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on August 11, 2022, 13:33

Year 1, month 7 4th July to 7th August

A week later than I would have intended, but so long as I get it done before the Vuelta game (http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=10047.msg2263054#msg2263054) gets going...

Best scorers in this period:

PICCOLO Andrea	122	15	6th in Sibiu/7th Villafranca/2nd Getxo
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	116	38	win Getxo/4th Villafranca
CHARMIG Anthon	96	4	2nd Sazka Tour
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian	79	25	3rd in Sibiu
LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier	58	2
VAN GILS Maxim	56	13
STAUNE-MITTET Johannes	55	3
LEEMREIZE Gijs	53	14
MONIQUET Sylvain	50	1
WANDAHL Frederik	50	2

1	Otoxiep87	640	Piccolo/Ayuso/Uijtdebroecks/Lazkano/Leemrize
2	Nathanptz	569	Piccolo/Ayuso/Charmig/Van Gils/Leemrize
3	Salvarani	560	Piccolo/Ayuso/Charmig/Van Gils/Wandahl
4	SafeBet	556	Piccolo/Ayuso/Uijtdebroecks/Van Gils
5	Laarsland	518	Piccolo/Ayuso/Uijtdebroecks
6	Squire	487
7	Berflamand	484
8	Kazistuta	481
9	Skidmark	480
10	Comodoro	479
11	LosBrolin	472
12	Vladimir	467
13	RoteLaterne	458
14	Armchair_Cyclist	453
15	Bminchow	451
16	EvansIsTheBest	444
17	Madrazo	441
18	Repre	399
19	Cordi	391
20	Greenedge	390
21	Bonimenier	383
22	Nyssinator	381
23	EdkDeus	380
24	Rufs	375
25	AmisVelo	372
26	Josedin	361
27	Ray10	348
28	Nakazar	328
29	JonEzeitza	323
30	LukasCPH	322
31	Fivezzz	309
32	Scrooll07	306
33	Riverside	299
33	RedheadDane	299
35	JumboVismaFan	293
36	Del1962	280
37	Blues_in_the_Bottle	268
38	Koronin	266
39	DevilsElbow	219
40	Leadbelly	164
	CollectiveWisdom	537
	CollectiveIgnorance	120
	MainGame2022	478
	Goodin2021	385

Standings
Ray remains on top, despite a poor score this time around.  The top scorers this time were largely those in very humble positions, so maybe that indicates that this might be a more competitive edition (or maybe it is just that De Lie had a relatively quiet month)

1	Ray10	3993	0
2	Bminchow	3974	0
3	Nathanptz	3914	3
4	Bonimenier	3871	-1
5	SafeBet	3803	6
6	LosBrolin	3778	2
7	Madrazo	3746	3
8	Scrooll07	3737	-4
9	Laarsland	3712	4
10	Squire	3699	2
11	Nakazar	3686	-6
12	Berflamand	3637	3
13	Fivezzz	3615	-5
14	Salvarani	3577	4
15	DevilsElbow	3537	-8
16	Skidmark	3529	0
17	JumboVismaFan	3448	-3
18	Kazistuta	3398	3
18	Greenedge	3398	1
20	Rufs	3396	-3
21	Cordi	3377	-1
22	AmisVelo	3272	0
23	Nyssinator	3089	0
24	EvansIsTheBest	2858	0
25	Comodoro	2693	3
26	Josedin	2656	-1
27	Repre	2654	0
28	Armchair_Cyclist	2642	2
29	Del1962	2572	-3
30	Otoxiep87	2554	5
31	JonEzeitza	2525	-2
32	RoteLaterne	2434	1
33	Blues_in_the_Bottle	2364	-2
34	LukasCPH	2331	-2
35	Koronin	2198	-1
36	Vladimir	2175	2
37	EdkDeus	2174	0
38	Riverside	2120	-2
39	RedheadDane	1855	0
40	Leadbelly	1078	0
	CollectiveWisdom	3908
	CollectiveIgnorance	2890
	MainGame2022	3674
	Goodin2021	2750

Next update will again be a bit over a month: I can't see me giving it time until after the Vuelta game is finished.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on September 17, 2022, 15:20

Year 1, Month 8-9a 8th August to 11 September

We have had GT stage winners in Year 1 previously, and of course GT overall winners in Year 3, but GT podium in Year 1 is a best while these games have been going on.

AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	374	38	3rd on GC and 6 stage top tens in Vuelta
DE LIE Arnaud	330	24	Wins in Schaal sels and Egmont/4th in Bretagne Classic
SHEFFIELD Magnus	217	15	2nd in Danmark Rundt/10th in ToB
ZINGLE Axel	182	9	4th in ARoN with st win/8th in Wallonie
STRONG Corbin	130	2	ToB 6th with st win
PICCOLO Andrea	103	15	10th in Bretagne/5th in Maryland
MONIQUET Sylvain	89	1
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian	70	25
ZAMBANINI Edoardo	57	2
PARRA CUERDA Jose Felix	52	1

1	Laarsland	1426	Ayuso/De Lie/Sheffield/Zingle/Piccolo/Uijtdebroeks
2	Ray10	1360	Ayuso/De Lie/Sheffield/Zingle/Uijtdebroeks
3	LosBrolin	1291	Ayuso/De Lie/Sheffield/Piccolo/Uijtdebroeks
4	JumboVismaFan	1259	Ayuso/De Lie/Sheffield/Strong/Uijtdebroeks
5	Skidmark	1245
6	Squire	1241
7	Cordi	1225
8	Nathanptz	1214
9	SafeBet	1213
10	Berflamand	1209
11	Bminchow	1173
12	Madrazo	1160
13	Kazistuta	1099
14	DevilsElbow	1078
15	Scrooll07	1075
16	Fivezzz	1068
17	Salvarani	1016
18	EvansIsTheBest	1011
19	Bonimenier	997
20	Nyssinator	981
21	Nakazar	978
22	AmisVelo	970
23	Rufs	918
24	Greenedge	907
25	Vladimir	895
26	Comodoro	843
27	Otoxiep87	798
28	Josedin	787
29	Blues_in_the_Bottle	764
30	RoteLaterne	746
31	EdkDeus	716
32	Koronin	711
33	Armchair_Cyclist	654
34	LukasCPH	638
35	RedheadDane	637
36	JonEzeitza	631
37	Repre	627
38	Del1962	612
39	Riverside	593
40	Leadbelly	217
	CollectiveWisdom	1287
	CollectiveIgnorance	647
	MainGame2022	1239
	Goodin2021	799

Standings
Ray10 was 2nd this month, so extends his lead, and it is beginning to look like that is the team to beat.  But he lacks some riders of whom more will be expected than they have shown this year (Baroncini, Leemreize, perhaps others), so it might not be all over yet.

1	Ray10	5353	0
2	Bminchow	5147	0
3	Laarsland	5138	6
4	Nathanptz	5128	-1
5	LosBrolin	5069	1
6	SafeBet	5016	-1
7	Squire	4940	3
8	Madrazo	4906	-1
9	Bonimenier	4868	-5
10	Berflamand	4846	2
11	Scrooll07	4812	-3
12	Skidmark	4774	4
13	JumboVismaFan	4707	4
14	Fivezzz	4683	-1
15	Nakazar	4664	-4
16	DevilsElbow	4615	-1
17	Cordi	4602	4
18	Salvarani	4593	-4
19	Kazistuta	4497	-1
20	Rufs	4314	0
21	Greenedge	4305	-3
22	AmisVelo	4242	0
23	Nyssinator	4070	0
24	EvansIsTheBest	3869	0
25	Comodoro	3536	0
26	Josedin	3443	0
27	Otoxiep87	3352	3
28	Armchair_Cyclist	3296	0
29	Repre	3281	-2
30	Del1962	3184	-1
31	RoteLaterne	3180	1
32	JonEzeitza	3156	-1
33	Blues_in_the_Bottle	3128	0
34	Vladimir	3070	2
35	LukasCPH	2969	-1
36	Koronin	2909	-1
37	EdkDeus	2890	0
38	Riverside	2713	0
39	RedheadDane	2492	0
40	Leadbelly	1295	0
	CollectiveWisdom	5195
	CollectiveIgnorance	3550
	MainGame2022	4913
	Goodin2021	3549

CN  4189
EP  3684
VR  3487

I'll probably do the next update at the end of the European season in mid October, then any odds and ends at the end of the year.

Until then the spreadsheet. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-NgRnHyYmscvMHOE9VcoQ8lCQePDm0YG?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs)

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Cordi on September 19, 2022, 02:15

Looks like missing Cian could be a key mistake here... For start, I won't be able to have him next year as he already went over 200. Is difficult with top junior talents to predict wheter they are going to deliver from year 1 or not.

Btw, of course the game is not over, it hasn't almost started. 200 hundreds points with the 2nd is nothing. For example, in the 20-22, I've recovered like 500 points in only one month with the leader and here we have more than 2 years to go.

Title: Re: 2022-2024 Emerging Riders CQ Game
Post by: Armchair Cyclist on October 27, 2022, 23:52

Year 1, month 9b-10  12 Sept to 23 Oct, which means to the end of the European and the n.1 and higher season.  Some of our picks might be still going in minor races, but there will be very few points there.

PICCOLO Andrea	217	15	Japan Cup 2nd/Lombardia 11th/Agostini 3rd
STRONG Corbin	190	2	Bernocchi 2nd/Wallonie 5th/Piemonte 7th
DE LIE Arnaud	153	24	Houtland 2nd/Chaunay 5th/Gooikse Pijl 6th etc
ZINGLE Axel	145	9	Ardenne Classic win/GP Wallonie 8th
BERTHET Clément	89	4
MILAN Jonathan	86	4
LAMPERTI Luke	86	1
EINHORN Itamar	74	1
PLAPP Lucas	71	30
WAERENSKJOLD Søren	70	14
ZAMBANINI Edoardo	63	2
VERNON Ethan	55	22
VAN GILS Maxim	52	13

1	Squire	824	Piccolo/De Lie/Zingle/Berthet/Plapp/Waerenskjold
2	SafeBet	799	Piccolo/De Lie/Zingle/Milan/Plapp/Vernon/Van Gils
3	Laarsland	751	Piccolo/De Lie/Zingle/Milan/Plapp
4	DevilsElbow	674	De Lie/Zingle/Lamperti/Plapp/Waerenskjold/Vernon
5	Cordi	664	Piccolo/De Lie/Plapp/Waerenskjold/Vernon
6	Berflamand	657
7	LosBrolin	642
8	Nathanptz	639
9	Skidmark	606
10	Scrooll07	597
11	Ray10	596
12	Salvarani	595
13	RoteLaterne	570
14	Greenedge	538
15	JumboVismaFan	533
16	Kazistuta	526
17	Fivezzz	516
18	Nakazar	481
19	Madrazo	469
20	Bonimenier	467
21	EdkDeus	462
22	Bminchow	447
23	Otoxiep87	438
24	Nyssinator	423
25	AmisVelo	416
26	Rufs	406
27	Vladimir	405
28	RedheadDane	404
29	EvansIsTheBest	358
29	Del1962	358
29	Leadbelly	358
32	JonEzeitza	321
33	Koronin	281
34	Repre	270
35	Armchair_Cyclist	264
36	Riverside	239
37	LukasCPH	235
38	Josedin	231
39	Blues_in_the_Bottle	194
40	Comodoro	173
	CollectiveWisdom	667
	CollectiveIgnorance	848
	MainGame2022	593
	Goodin2021	399

Standings
Ray still holds onto the lead, but plenty of teams will consider that they still have a chance.

1	Ray10	5949	0
2	Laarsland	5889	1
3	SafeBet	5815	3
4	Nathanptz	5767	0
5	Squire	5764	2
6	LosBrolin	5711	-1
7	Bminchow	5594	-5
8	Berflamand	5503	2
9	Scrooll07	5409	2
10	Skidmark	5380	2
11	Madrazo	5375	-3
12	Bonimenier	5335	-3
13	DevilsElbow	5289	3
14	Cordi	5266	3
15	JumboVismaFan	5240	-2
16	Fivezzz	5199	-2
17	Salvarani	5188	1
18	Nakazar	5145	-3
19	Kazistuta	5023	0
20	Greenedge	4843	1
21	Rufs	4720	-1
22	AmisVelo	4658	0
23	Nyssinator	4493	0
24	EvansIsTheBest	4227	0
25	Otoxiep87	3790	2
26	RoteLaterne	3750	5
27	Comodoro	3709	-2
28	Josedin	3674	-2
29	Armchair_Cyclist	3560	-1
30	Repre	3551	-1
31	Del1962	3542	-1
32	JonEzeitza	3477	0
33	Vladimir	3475	1
34	EdkDeus	3352	3
35	Blues_in_the_Bottle	3322	-2
36	LukasCPH	3204	-1
37	Koronin	3190	-1
38	Riverside	2952	0
39	RedheadDane	2896	0
40	Leadbelly	1653	0
	CollectiveWisdom	5862
	CollectiveIgnorance	4144
	MainGame2022	5506
	Goodin2021	3948

Cycling News   4675
Equipo Parlamiento     4032
VeloRooms   3926

Pretty much anyone who has De Lie and Ayuso can still have some confidence: who will prove to be the other must haves will be revealed over the next two years. 

Spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-NgRnHyYmscvMHOE9VcoQ8lCQePDm0YG?rtpof=true&authuser=kevinmce63%40gmail.com&usp=drive_fs)