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2022 Tour de France CQ Game
« on: June 23, 2022, 00:06 »
It's nearly July, so the non-cycling fan world suddenly becomes aware of our sport, and we find ourselves trapped between on one hand wanting to be dismissive of the hype and asserting how much better the racing is in every other event of the year, and on the other knowing that this race encompasses the best riders seeking to be at their peak.

But we can take pride in burrowing down into the less fabled riders among the peloton and showing our expertise and judgement in the Tour de France CQ game.

Or you can be proud of being a July fan and just pick anyone you have heard of, or who has a name you like the sound of: you'll probably still beat some of us.

Your team Your task is to pick 8 riders who will be taking part in the Tour, and who between them have a total current CQ score of 4000 or less.  That CQ score is their tally of points from the previous year, as allotted at CQRanking.com: more specifically, their score for the year to Sunday 26th June, which will be available for download on the 27th.

Your score Your score is also on a scale determined by the CQ site: The biggest points are for GC (600 for the winner, 20 for anyone who finishes), but there are stage points (80 for the winner, 1 for 10th), points for the KoM and Green jersey final classifications (same scale as stage points) and a 20 point daily bonus for the man who is to wear Yellow on the next stage.

Entering the Game Firstly: don't try to do so until the prices are set after CQ has processed all the points from national championships weekend on Sunday.  But when your team is ready, send it to me by PM at either Cycling News Forum or on VeloRooms.  It saves me time if you put the name in CQ's format (surname, then forename; particular care needed on riders from Spanish speaking countries, Portugal and Denmark; accents are handled inconsistently) and put nothing else in your message: I don't need you to tell me their team or price.  You must do so by the time the first rider starts on the Time Trial course in Copenhagen at 4pm local time on Friday 1st July.  As soon as possible after the first team is sent in, I will share my selection with that manager to avoid me being tempted to steal good ideas from other managers.  You can change your team after you send it in if you have second thoughts before the deadline: if there is a problem with your selection I will let you know unless you leave it until the last few hours.  I do have an established set of rules for making substitutions in your team if it is overbudget or has non-participating riders.

During the race  There is nothing you have to do, and nothing you can do, once the race starts.  I will do updates daily (real life permitting) in a minor competition (based on stage top ten points only) as well as the main game, which will become more realistic as the GC becomes more settled. 

There is no prize beyond bragging rights, but if you are on VeloRooms I can add a little yellow or green jersey to your profile, which is nice...

Can I help?If you have any questions, feel free to post them here, or send them to me by PM.
But I also hope I can help via this spreadsheet which I will update as the team line-ups become clearer, which helps you compile a team within budget, gives the preferred presentation of names, shows the scheme for the points you can win, and will have the correct prices from Monday afternoon.  Search will, if he is true to his former very helpful self, put a list of riders and prices up when most are confirmed in this thread.

So I hope you will have a go, whether you are one of the regulars (you have to take part in this to be part of my 4 seasons challenge) or new to these games, or normally only try the annual game.  And see of you can persuade someone else to have a go, even if they are just sticking a pin in a list of names: they won't be the only one (unless RhD changes tactic)

Good luck, and enjoy the game and the racing.
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #1 on: June 27, 2022, 22:54 »
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          POGACAR Tadej      3457            O'CONNOR Ben      1065   
          BENNETT George      101            BOUCHARD Geoffrey      343   
          BJERG Mikkel      103            CHEREL Mikael      109   
          HIRSCHI Marc      817            COSNEFROY Benoît      1085   
          LAENGEN Vegard Stake      80            DEWULF Stan      429   
          MAJKA Rafal      516            JUNGELS Bob      204   
          MCNULTY Brandon      814            NAESEN Oliver      312   
          SOLER GIMENEZ Marc      171            PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien      405   
                6059                  3952   
    #alpecin      ALPECIN-FENIX      :cool      #astana      ASTANA – QAZAQSTAN      :cool   
          VAN DER POEL Mathieu      1452            LUTSENKO Alexey      614   
          DILLIER Silvan      92            DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd      151   
          KRIEGER Alexander      16            FELLINE Fabio      152   
          GOGL Michael      94            GRUZDEV Dmitriy      40   
          PHILIPSEN Jasper      1180            MOSCON Gianni      267   
          PLANCKAERT Edward      57            RIABUSHENKO Aliaksandr      78   
          SBARAGLI Kristian      209            VELASCO Simone      292   
          VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume      27            ZEITS Andrey      209   
                3127                  1803   
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          BARTHE Cyril      148            GRADEK Kamil      33   
          GOUGEARD Alexis      42            HAIG Jack      782   
          LECROQ Jérémy      51            MOHORIC Matej      1591   
          LEMOINE Cyril      30            SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon      208   
          MOZZATO Luca      465            TEUNS Dylan      985   
          ROLLAND Pierre      152            TRATNIK Jan      366   
          SCHÖNBERGER Sebastian      153            WRIGHT Fred      188   
                1556                  4962   
    #bora      BORA - HANSGROHE      :cool      #cofidis      COFIDIS      :cool   
          VLASOV Aleksandr      1301            MARTIN Guillaume      943   
          GROSSSCHARTNER Felix      461            PERICHON Pierre-Luc      209   
          HALLER Marco      199            GESCHKE Simon      336   
          KÄMNA Lennard      380            IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion      640   
          KONRAD Patrick      395            LAFAY Victor      323   
          POLITT Nils      634            PEREZ Anthony      233   
          SCHACHMANN Maximilian      272            THOMAS Benjamin      568   
          VAN POPPEL Danny      930            WALSCHEID Maximilian      493   
                4572                  3745   
    #ef      EF EDUCATION - EASYPOST      :cool      #groupama      GROUPAMA - FDJ      :cool   
          URAN URAN Rigoberto      469            GAUDU David      803   
          BISSEGGER Stefan      299            DUCHESNE Antoine      28   
          CORT NIELSEN Magnus      519            GENIETS Kévin      115   
          DOULL Owain      103            KÜNG Stefan      1400   
          GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida      445            LE GAC Olivier      129   
          PADUN Mark      249            MADOUAS Valentin      679   
          POWLESS Neilson      836            PINOT Thibaut      483   
          RUTSCH Jonas      120            STORER Michael      561   
                3040                  4198   
    #ineos      INEOS GRENADIERS      :cool      #iwg      INTERMARCHÉ - WANTY - GOBERT      :cool   
          THOMAS Geraint      460            KRISTOFF Alexander      1079   
          CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan      93            BYSTRØM Sven Erik      140   
          GANNA Filippo      735            GOOSSENS Kobe      140   
          MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      996            MEINTJES Louis      446   
          PIDCOCK Thomas      435            PASQUALON Andrea      409   
          ROWE Luke      40            PETIT Adrien      235   
          VAN BAARLE Dylan      911            VAN DER HOORN Taco      405   
          YATES Adam      981            ZIMMERMANN Georg      356   
                4651                  3210   
    #israel      ISRAEL - PREMIER TECH      :cool      #jumbo      JUMBO - VISMA      :cool   
          FUGLSANG Jakob      499            ROGLIC Primoz      2793   
          CLARKE Simon      370            BENOOT Tiesj      532   
          FROOME Chris      39            KRUIJSWIJK Steven      328   
          BOIVIN Guillaume      169            KUSS Sepp      505   
          HOULE Hugo      256            LAPORTE Christophe      771   
          NIV Guy   40            VAN AERT Wout      2570   
          NEILANDS Krists      153            VAN HOOYDONCK Nathan      93   
          WOODS Michael      946            VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      1602   
                2472                  9194   
    #lotto      LOTTO SOUDAL      :cool      #movistar      MOVISTAR TEAM      :cool   
          EWAN Caleb      382            MAS NICOLAU Enric      1067   
          FRISON Frederik      42            ERVITI OLLO Imanol      125   
          GILBERT Philippe      330            IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka      158   
          JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt      152            JORGENSON Matteo      239   
          KRON Andreas Lorentz      355            MÜHLBERGER Gregor      44   
          VAN MOER Brent      70            OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes      174   
          VERMEERSCH Florian      264            TORRES BARCELO Albert      21   
          WELLENS Tim      795            VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos      357   
                2390                  2185   
    #quickstep      QUICK-STEP - ALPHA VINYL      :cool      #arkea      TEAM ARKÉA - SAMSIC      :cool   
          JAKOBSEN Fabio      1110            QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander      885   
          ASGREEN Kasper      642            BARGUIL Warren      928   
          BAGIOLI Andrea      302            BOUET Maxime      182   
          CATTANEO Mattia      418            CAPIOT Amaury      526   
          HONORE Mikkel Frølich      603            HOFSTETTER Hugo      892   
          LAMPAERT Yves      280            LOUVEL Matis      459   
          MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael      178            OWSIAN Lukasz      180   
          SENECHAL Florian      680            SWIFT Connor      477   
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          MATTHEWS Michael      895            BARDET Romain      720   
          BAUER Jack      29            DAINESE Alberto      519   
          DURBRIDGE Luke      242            DEGENKOLB John      170   
          GROENEWEGEN Dylan      519            EEKHOFF Nils      65   
          JANSEN Amund Grøndahl      10            HAMILTON Chris      115   
          JUUL JENSEN Christopher      59            LEKNESSUND Andreas      304   
          MEZGEC Luka      290            TUSVELD Martijn      111   
          SCHULTZ Nicholas      169            VERMAERKE Kevin      83   
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          SAGAN Peter      377            PEDERSEN Mads      1053   
          BOASSON HAGEN Edvald      224            CICCONE Giulio      451   
          BODNAR Maciej      156            GALLOPIN Tony      145   
          BURGAUDEAU Mathieu      343            KIRSCH Alex      93   
          LATOUR Pierre      437            MOLLEMA Bauke      875   
          OSS Daniel      122            SIMMONS Quinn      418   
          TURGIS Anthony      482            SKUJINS Toms      236   
          VUILLERMOZ Alexis      389            STUYVEN Jasper      883   
                2530                  4154   
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #2 on: June 27, 2022, 23:03 »
     

    CQ didn't post the upload until well into the evening, by which time I had gone out, but now the selection spreadsheet has all the right prices (and nearly all the right riders: just a couple of teams to confirm)

    So the game is fully open: let the teams flood in.
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #3 on: June 28, 2022, 11:57 »
    Every team but EF is confirmed now, but there may still be some more late changes. EBH just came in for Rodriguez at Total, Senechal for Declercq at Quickstep
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #4 on: June 29, 2022, 13:14 »
    And finally EF have named their team, so now you can do the same.
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #5 on: June 29, 2022, 16:23 »
    Trentin out with Covid, Hirschi in for UAE.
    ( I see Search already has put up Hirschi's score so....)
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #6 on: June 29, 2022, 16:29 »
    yeah, there was a change at Astana as well (Battistella/Riabushenko)
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #7 on: June 29, 2022, 17:59 »
    Goldstein out, Boivin in for Israel. Impey could be next.

    It’s like a magic turnstile….
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #8 on: June 29, 2022, 19:54 »
    GVA on standby as Bob Jungels needs a different test result by tomorrow morning
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #9 on: June 29, 2022, 20:03 »
    Boivin for Goldstein and Riabushenko for Battistelli both done above and on the spreadsheet.  Maybe they will be the last.  If Jungels is out that will affect more than one already submitted team...
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #10 on: June 30, 2022, 13:49 »
    Perichon for Coquard, Niv for Impey (who was on 3 teams, managers informed) now on the list on this page and on the spreadsheet.

    Hoping that is the end of tinkering with startlists.
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #11 on: July 01, 2022, 00:20 »
    32 teams so far (there were 39 last year), 91 different riders selected, 45 as unique picks and one clear most popular pick, one other on nearly half the teams, and another five on at least a quarter. Ten riders have been picked with a price of more than 1000 points, nine different cheap (<50 points) makeweights have been picked.

    2 teams still need to get back to me about their overbudget selection/inclusion of Impey.

    The deadline is 4pm Danish time tomorrow (well, today now), but if you want me to check it will have to be with me by about 7:30 in the morning (UK time)

    Don't miss out!
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #12 on: July 01, 2022, 17:56 »
    And the race is underway, and we have 38 teams.  I haven't sent an acknowledgement to those that entered today, but they were all fine.


    I had messed up my timings: "4 o'clock in Denmark, that's great, just starting at 5 as I get in from work".  I normally know which way the clock goes.  So I missed most of the significant action (but not the winning ride)

    Among the team listings, keep an eye out for:

        Jumbo Visma Fan being very loyal to a team (but not TJV),
        Samu being very Francophile (if only the 8th man were Pierre Saguin),
        the biggest investment in one rider ever seen in a CQ game by Yellow Knight, thus preventing Rote Laterne taking that record,
        a couple of teams with Ganna whose hopes for the early lead look likely to be thwarted by Bicycle Boy,
        Del 1962 and Carrick-on-Seine battling it out to name the oldest team in CQ history
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #13 on: July 01, 2022, 18:09 »
    Teams
    Listed alphabetically, by price within teams, unique picks have asterisks

    18 Valve
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       PIDCOCK Thomas   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael   *
       BAUER Jack   *

    Amis Velo
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       HAIG Jack   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       BETTIOL Alberto   
       SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   

    Archie Boy
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       HAIG Jack   
       STORER Michael   *
       THOMAS Geraint   
       GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida   
       VERMEERSCH Florian   *
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       GRADEK Kamil   *

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       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       HAIG Jack   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       CICCONE Giulio   *
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       GOUGEARD Alexis   

    Bicycle Boy
       VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
       GANNA Filippo   
       ASGREEN Kasper   *
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SAGAN Peter   
       LAMPAERT Yves   *
       MÜHLBERGER Gregor   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Blues in the Bottle
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       MAS NICOLAU Enric   *
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       EWAN Caleb   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       WRIGHT Fred   *
       DUCHESNE Antoine   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Bminchow
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
       VAN MOER Brent   

    Bonimenier
       CARUSO Damiano   
       GAUDU David   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       EWAN Caleb   
       KÄMNA Lennard   
       JUNGELS Bob   

    Carrick on Seine
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       BARDET Romain   
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SAGAN Peter   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       DEGENKOLB John   

    ChrisDK
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       LAPORTE Christophe   *
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       EWAN Caleb   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       JORGENSON Matteo   
       IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka   

    Comodoro
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       BARDET Romain   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       CATTANEO Mattia   
       BETTIOL Alberto   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       GOOSSENS Kobe   

    Del 1962
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       CARUSO Damiano   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       KÄMNA Lennard   
       SAGAN Peter   
       FROOME Chris   

    DJSprtsch
       GANNA Filippo   
       BARDET Romain   
       CORT NIELSEN Magnus   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       PIDCOCK Thomas   
       EWAN Caleb   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       MÜHLBERGER Gregor   

    DJW
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       BENNETT George   
       VAN MOER Brent   
       MÜHLBERGER Gregor   

    Evans is the Best
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       GAUDU David   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       URAN URAN Rigoberto   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Josedin
       JAKOBSEN Fabio   *
       CARUSO Damiano   
       DAINESE Alberto   *
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SIMMONS Quinn   *
       KÄMNA Lennard   
       JORGENSON Matteo   
       JUUL JENSEN Christopher   *

    Jumbo Visma Fan
       VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
       PHILIPSEN Jasper   *
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       GOGL Michael   
       DILLIER Silvan   
       PLANCKAERT Edward   *
       VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume   *
       KRIEGER Alexander   

    Kazistuta
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       BETTIOL Alberto   
       FELLINE Fabio   *

    Laarsland
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       VERMAERKE Kevin   
       EEKHOFF Nils   

    Leadbelly
       YATES Adam   
       BARDET Romain   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida   
       EWAN Caleb   
       TORRES BARCELO Albert   *

    Lecko
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       LAFAY Victor   
       BETTIOL Alberto   
       IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka   
       ROLLAND Pierre   

    Los Brolin
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida   
       SAGAN Peter   
       CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan   
       KRIEGER Alexander   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Mellow Velo
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       HAIG Jack   
       BARDET Romain   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       CATTANEO Mattia   
       EWAN Caleb   
       BENNETT George   
       MÜHLBERGER Gregor   

    Northerner
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       BARDET Romain   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       JORGENSON Matteo   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       EEKHOFF Nils   

    Otoxiep87
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       HAIG Jack   
       CATTANEO Mattia   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       LAFAY Victor   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   
       GOOSSENS Kobe   

    Postman Hat
       VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
       BARDET Romain   
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       KÄMNA Lennard   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   
       GENIETS Kévin   *
       VAN MOER Brent   

    Redhead Dane
       MADOUAS Valentin   *
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   *
       CAPIOT Amaury   *
       KUSS Sepp   *
       WALSCHEID Maximilian   *
       GROSSSCHARTNER Felix   *
       EWAN Caleb   
       NAESEN Oliver   *

    Rote Laterne
       ROGLIC Primoz   *
       EWAN Caleb   
       HALLER Marco   *
       SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
       DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd   *
       BENNETT George   
       CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan   
       DILLIER Silvan   

    Rufs
       YATES Adam   
       HAIG Jack   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       URAN URAN Rigoberto   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       BISSEGGER Stefan   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   
       GOGL Michael   

    Salvarani

       VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
       GAUDU David   
       HAIG Jack   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       BENNETT George   
       EEKHOFF Nils   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Samu Cuenca
       MARTIN Guillaume   *
       GAUDU David   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       SAGAN Peter   
       BOUCHARD Geoffrey   *
       PEREZ Anthony   *
       ROLLAND Pierre   

    Scrool07
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   
       HAIG Jack   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       FROOME Chris   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Search
       CARUSO Damiano   
       LUTSENKO Alexey   *
       CORT NIELSEN Magnus   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       GESCHKE Simon   *
       LAFAY Victor   

    Titan 31
       GAUDU David   
       BARDET Romain   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   

    TRiley36
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       HAIG Jack   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       URAN URAN Rigoberto   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SAGAN Peter   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       FROOME Chris   

    Vladimir
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   
       GAUDU David   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       MOSCON Gianni   *
       DEGENKOLB John   
       GOUGEARD Alexis   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Yellow Knight
       POGACAR Tadej   *
       HAMILTON Chris   *
       BJERG Mikkel   *
       DOULL Owain   *
       BENNETT George   
       VERMAERKE Kevin   
       DUCHESNE Antoine   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    ZigZag Wanderer
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       HAIG Jack   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos   *
       KRON Andreas Lorentz   *
       BISSEGGER Stefan   
       JUNGELS Bob   

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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #14 on: July 01, 2022, 18:13 »
    Teams
    Listed alphabetically, by price within teams, unique picks have asterisks

    18 Valve
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       PIDCOCK Thomas   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael   *
       BAUER Jack   *

    Amis Velo
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       HAIG Jack   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       BETTIOL Alberto   
       SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   

    Archie Boy
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       HAIG Jack   
       STORER Michael   *
       THOMAS Geraint   
       GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida   
       VERMEERSCH Florian   *
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       GRADEK Kamil   *

    Armchair Cyclist
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       HAIG Jack   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       CICCONE Giulio   *
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       GOUGEARD Alexis   

    Bicycle Boy
       VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
       GANNA Filippo   
       ASGREEN Kasper   *
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SAGAN Peter   
       LAMPAERT Yves   *
       MÜHLBERGER Gregor   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Blues in the Bottle
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       MAS NICOLAU Enric   *
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       EWAN Caleb   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       WRIGHT Fred   *
       DUCHESNE Antoine   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Bminchow
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
       VAN MOER Brent   

    Bonimenier
       CARUSO Damiano   
       GAUDU David   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       EWAN Caleb   
       KÄMNA Lennard   
       JUNGELS Bob   

    Carrick on Seine
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       BARDET Romain   
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SAGAN Peter   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       DEGENKOLB John   

    ChrisDK
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       LAPORTE Christophe   *
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       EWAN Caleb   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       JORGENSON Matteo   
       IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka   

    Comodoro
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       BARDET Romain   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       CATTANEO Mattia   
       BETTIOL Alberto   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       GOOSSENS Kobe   

    Del 1962
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       CARUSO Damiano   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       KÄMNA Lennard   
       SAGAN Peter   
       FROOME Chris   

    DJSprtsch
       GANNA Filippo   
       BARDET Romain   
       CORT NIELSEN Magnus   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       PIDCOCK Thomas   
       EWAN Caleb   
       JUNGELS Bob   
       MÜHLBERGER Gregor   

    DJW
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       BENNETT George   
       VAN MOER Brent   
       MÜHLBERGER Gregor   

    Evans is the Best
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       GAUDU David   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       URAN URAN Rigoberto   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Josedin
       JAKOBSEN Fabio   *
       CARUSO Damiano   
       DAINESE Alberto   *
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SIMMONS Quinn   *
       KÄMNA Lennard   
       JORGENSON Matteo   
       JUUL JENSEN Christopher   *

    Jumbo Visma Fan
       VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
       PHILIPSEN Jasper   *
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       GOGL Michael   
       DILLIER Silvan   
       PLANCKAERT Edward   *
       VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume   *
       KRIEGER Alexander   

    Kazistuta
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       BETTIOL Alberto   
       FELLINE Fabio   *

    Laarsland
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       VERMAERKE Kevin   
       EEKHOFF Nils   

    Leadbelly
       YATES Adam   
       BARDET Romain   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida   
       EWAN Caleb   
       TORRES BARCELO Albert   *

    Lecko
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       LAFAY Victor   
       BETTIOL Alberto   
       IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka   
       ROLLAND Pierre   

    Los Brolin
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida   
       SAGAN Peter   
       CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan   
       KRIEGER Alexander   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Mellow Velo
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       HAIG Jack   
       BARDET Romain   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       CATTANEO Mattia   
       EWAN Caleb   
       BENNETT George   
       MÜHLBERGER Gregor   

    Northerner
       VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas   
       BARDET Romain   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       JORGENSON Matteo   
       ROLLAND Pierre   
       EEKHOFF Nils   

    Otoxiep87
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       HAIG Jack   
       CATTANEO Mattia   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       LAFAY Victor   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   
       GOOSSENS Kobe   

    Postman Hat
       VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
       BARDET Romain   
       GROENEWEGEN Dylan   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       KÄMNA Lennard   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   
       GENIETS Kévin   *
       VAN MOER Brent   

    Redhead Dane
       MADOUAS Valentin   *
       HONORE Mikkel Frølich   *
       CAPIOT Amaury   *
       KUSS Sepp   *
       WALSCHEID Maximilian   *
       GROSSSCHARTNER Felix   *
       EWAN Caleb   
       NAESEN Oliver   *

    Rote Laterne
       ROGLIC Primoz   *
       EWAN Caleb   
       HALLER Marco   *
       SOLER GIMENEZ Marc   
       DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd   *
       BENNETT George   
       CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan   
       DILLIER Silvan   

    Rufs
       YATES Adam   
       HAIG Jack   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       URAN URAN Rigoberto   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       BISSEGGER Stefan   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   
       GOGL Michael   

    Salvarani

       VAN DER POEL Mathieu   
       GAUDU David   
       HAIG Jack   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       LEKNESSUND Andreas   
       BENNETT George   
       EEKHOFF Nils   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Samu Cuenca
       MARTIN Guillaume   *
       GAUDU David   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       SAGAN Peter   
       BOUCHARD Geoffrey   *
       PEREZ Anthony   *
       ROLLAND Pierre   

    Scrool07
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   
       HAIG Jack   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       FROOME Chris   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Search
       CARUSO Damiano   
       LUTSENKO Alexey   *
       CORT NIELSEN Magnus   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       GESCHKE Simon   *
       LAFAY Victor   

    Titan 31
       GAUDU David   
       BARDET Romain   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida   
       EWAN Caleb   
       SAGAN Peter   
       SCHACHMANN Maximilian   

    TRiley36
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       HAIG Jack   
       FUGLSANG Jakob   
       URAN URAN Rigoberto   
       THOMAS Geraint   
       SAGAN Peter   
       BAGIOLI Andrea   
       FROOME Chris   

    Vladimir
       VLASOV Aleksandr   
       QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander   
       GAUDU David   
       LATOUR Pierre   
       MOSCON Gianni   *
       DEGENKOLB John   
       GOUGEARD Alexis   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    Yellow Knight
       POGACAR Tadej   *
       HAMILTON Chris   *
       BJERG Mikkel   *
       DOULL Owain   *
       BENNETT George   
       VERMAERKE Kevin   
       DUCHESNE Antoine   
       JANSEN Amund Grøndahl   

    ZigZag Wanderer
       O'CONNOR Ben   
       HAIG Jack   
       PINOT Thibaut   
       MEINTJES Louis   
       VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos   *
       KRON Andreas Lorentz   *
       BISSEGGER Stefan   
       JUNGELS Bob   
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #15 on: July 01, 2022, 18:45 »
    Major investments
    Riders costing 700 points plus in our teams:

    Pogacar:  Yellow Knight
          
    Roglic:  Rote Laterne
          
    Vingegaard with Mas:  Blues in the Bottle
       with O'Connor:  DJW
       with Martinez:  Los Brolin
       with Bardet:  Northerner
       alone:  18 Valve, Lecko
          
    Van der Poel with Philipsen:  Jumbo Visma Fan
       with Gaudu and Haig:  Salvarani
       with Ganna: Bicycle Boy
       with Bardet: Postman Hat
          
    Vlasov with Martinez:  Bminchow, Laarsland
       with Quintana and Gaudu:  Vladimir
       with Haig:  Archie Boy, Armchair Cyclist, Otoxiep87
       with Bardet:  Comodoro
          
    Jakobsen with Caruso:  Josedin
          
    O'Connor with Quintana and Haig: Scrooll07
       with Haig: Amis Velo, Triley36, ZigZag Wanderer
       with Haig and Bardet: Mellow Velo
       with Laporte:  ChrisDK
          
    Martinez with Quintana:   Kazistuta
       with Caruso:   Del 1962
       with Gaudu:   Evans is the Best
       with Bardet:   Carrick on Seine
          
    Yates with Haig: Rufs
       with Bardet: Leadbelly
          
    Martin with Gaudu: Samu Cuenca
          
    Caruso with Gaudu:  Bonimenier
       only:   Search
          
    Gaudu with Bardet:  Titan 31
          
    Ganna with Bardet: DJSprtsch
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #16 on: July 01, 2022, 18:59 »
    Riders
    95 of the 176 riders have been selected: 43 of them are unique picks, not listed here.  The most popular pick is on 68% of teams, which is not particularly high compared to previous editions, but will still make his performance null in a lot of battles for places.

    26 teams:  THOMAS Geraint
    19:  EWAN Caleb
    15:  SAGAN Peter
    11:  PINOT Thibaut
    10:  FUGLSANG Jakob, HAIG Jack
    8:  BARDET Romain, JANSEN Amund Grøndahl
    Those 8 make up the Collective Wisdom team, which would be comfortably within budget at 3713
    7:  JUNGELS Bob, MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe, O'CONNOR Ben, VLASOV Aleksandr
    6:  GAUDU David, VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
    5:  BENNETT George, GROENEWEGEN Dylan, ROLLAND Pierre, SCHACHMANN Maximilian
    4: BETTIOL Alberto, CARUSO Damiano, GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida, KÄMNA Lennard, LATOUR Pierre, LEKNESSUND Andreas, MÜHLBERGER Gregor, VAN DER POEL Mathieu
    3:  CATTANEO Mattia, EEKHOFF Nils, FROOME Chris, JORGENSON Matteo, LAFAY Victor, MEINTJES Louis, QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander, SOLER GIMENEZ Marc, URAN URAN Rigoberto, VAN MOER Brent
    2:  BAGIOLI Andrea, BISSEGGER Stefan, CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan, CORT NIELSEN Magnus, DEGENKOLB John, DILLIER Silvan, DUCHESNE Antoine, GANNA Filippo, GOGL Michael, GOOSSENS Kobe, GOUGEARD Alexis, IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka, KRIEGER Alexander, PIDCOCK Thomas, VERMAERKE Kevin, YATES Adam


    There weren't too many affected by late covid withdrawals: of the teams who had Impey, most rejigged their team and Rufs said that he was happy with the default replacement of Gogl.

    And I drove home suspecting that I would have to adjust loads of teams in response to messages taking TBV riders out for fear of disqualification, but no-one did that.
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #17 on: July 01, 2022, 19:10 »
    Popularity chart
    26 points for Thomas (Geraint, not Benjamin or Pidcock), 1 for a unique pick.  The Collective Wisdom team scores 107

    Popularity pointsunique picks
    1      AmisVelo      95      0
    2      Titan31      93      0
    3      Scrooll07      91      0
    4      Armchair_Cyclist      87      1
    5      Kazistuta      86      1
    6      Northerner      85      0
    7      Mellow_Velo      82      0
    8      Leadbelly      81      1
    9      Carrick_on_Seine      80      0
    10      Bonimenier      79      0
    11      Evans_is_the_Best      76      0
    11      Triley36      76      0
    13      18Valve      75      2
    13      Lecko      75      0
    15      Del1962      73      0
    16      Bminchow      71      0
    17      DJSprtsch      70      0
    17      LosBrolin      70      0
    19      Laarsland      68      0
    20      DJW      66      0
    21      Otoxiep87      64      0
    22      BicycleBoy      61      2
    22      Comodoro      61      0
    22      Rufs      61      0
    25      PostmanHat      56      1
    26      ArchieBoy      55      3
    27      ChrisDK      52      1
    28      Salvarani      51      0
    28      Search      51      2
    30      BluesInTheBottle      49      2
    31      SamuCuenca      44      3
    32      ZigZagWanderer      42      2
    33      Josedin      41      4
    34      Rote_Laterne      34      3
    35      Vladimir      33      1
    36      RedheadDane      26      7
    37      JumboVismaFan      23      3
    38      Yellow_Knight      21      4

    I need to go and visit my loopy mother-in-law: back later with today's opening scores, and any more data that jumps out at me.
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #18 on: July 01, 2022, 19:35 »
    Wow RedheadDane not bottom of the popularity charts! :P
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #19 on: July 01, 2022, 23:56 »
    Stage 1 Copenhagen Time Trial

    Green points The stage points: these can't be lost even if the rider does not reach Paris.

    Ptsteams
    LAMPAERT Yves      80      1
    VAN AERT Wout      50      0
    POGACAR Tadej      35      1
    GANNA Filippo      25      2
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu      15      4
    PEDERSEN Mads      10      0
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      5      6
    ROGLIC Primoz      3      1
    MOLLEMA Bauke      2      0
    TEUNS Dylan      1      0


    Bicycle Boy has not only Lampaert, but Ganna and Van der Poel as well.
    1      BicycleBoy      120
    2      Yellow_Knight      35
    3      DJSprtsch      25
    4      JumboVismaFan      15
    4      PostmanHat      15
    4      Salvarani      15
    7      18Valve      5
    7      BluesInTheBottle      5
    7      DJW      5
    7      Lecko      5
    7      LosBrolin      5
    7      Northerner      5
    13      Rote_Laterne      3

    Yellow points
    This includes the stage points, but also 20 points for the yellow jersey wearer on the next stage, and projected points based on current standings in the GC, points and KoM (once they hit some hills: no points in that yet)

    1 BicycleBoy 1640
    2      DJSprtsch      897
    3      PostmanHat      629
    4      Yellow_Knight      590
    5      18Valve      522
    6      LosBrolin      502
    7      BluesInTheBottle      496
    8      Northerner      478
    9      Salvarani      472
    10      JumboVismaFan      460
    11      Lecko      459
    12      Comodoro      450
    13      DJW      442
    14      Bonimenier      430
    15      Rote_Laterne      383
    16      Armchair_Cyclist      379
    17      Carrick_on_Seine      370
    18      Search      361
    19      Rufs      357
    20      Del1962      343
    21      Leadbelly      337
    22      ArchieBoy      314
    23      ZigZagWanderer      311
    24      Otoxiep87      294
    25      Bminchow      292
    26      Mellow_Velo      289
    27      Josedin      288
    28      Evans_is_the_Best      280
    29      Titan31      272
    30      Kazistuta      254
    31      Laarsland      242
    32      Scrooll07      227
    33      AmisVelo      226
    34      Triley36      222
    35      ChrisDK      221
    36      Vladimir      213
    37      RedheadDane      189
    38      SamuCuenca      160
          Collective_Wisdom      237

    I still want to do a bit of tweaking on the spreadsheet: I'll share it some time tomorrow.

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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #20 on: July 02, 2022, 14:13 »
    I didn't include yesterday:
    Team simiilarity
    In the past I have sometimes had to ask teams to select a 9th rider because their teams are so similar, but nothing like the same amount of overlap between teams this year, perhaps because the lack of multiple obvious mid-market standout picks means there is a greater range of picks from the most and least expensive ends of the pricelist.

    Riders that are in the Collective Wisdom team:
    5: AmisVelo, Leadbelly, Scrooll07, Titan31
    4: Armchair_Cyclist, Carrick_on_Seine, Evans_is_the_Best, Kazistuta, Mellow_Velo, Northerner, Triley36
    3: 18Valve, BicycleBoy, Bonimenier, Del1962, DJSprtsch, Laarsland, Lecko, LosBrolin, Otoxiep87, Rufs, Salvarani
    2: ArchieBoy, BluesInTheBottle, Bminchow, ChrisDK, Comodoro, DJW, PostmanHat, SamuCuenca, Search, ZigZagWanderer
    1: Josedin, JumboVismaFan, RedheadDane, Rote_Laterne, Vladimir, Yellow_Knight

    Most similar teams
    5 shared riders:
    Amis Velo & Kazistuta
    Amis Velo & Scrooll07
    Leadbelly & Titan 31
    Scrooll07 & TRiley36
    4:
    18 Valve & Northern
    Amis Velo & Armchair Cyclist
    Amis Velo and Mellow Velo
    Amis Velo & TRiley36
    Armchair Cyclist & Otoxiep87
    Armchair Cyclist & Scrooll07
    Bminchow & Laarsland
    Bonimenier & Del 1962
    Bonimenier & Titan 31
    Carrick-on-Seine & Titan 31
    Del 1962 & Kazistuta
    DJSprtsch & Mellow Velo
    DJW & Lecko
    DJW & Mellow Velo
    Evans is the Best & Rufs
    Evans is the Best & Titan 31
    Kazistuta & Laarsland
    Kazistuta & Scrooll07
    Lecko & Northerner
    Mellow Velo & Scrooll07
    Northerner & Titan 31

    And for the teams not yet mentioned, the teams they share most riders with (3 unless stated otherwise):
    Archie Boy: Armchair Cyclist
    Bicycle Boy: Los Brolin, Scrool07
    Blues in the Bottle: 18 Valve
    ChrisDK: Amis Velo, Laarsland
    Comodoro: Armchair Cyclist, Carrick-on-Seine, DJSprtsch
    Josedin: Bonimenier, Del1962
    Jumbo Visma Fan: 15 teams with 1 rider (most commonly Fuglsang) shared
    Los Brolin: 9 teams with 3 riders shared
    Postman Hat: Carrick-on-Seine and Titan 31
    Redhead Dane: 18 teams with whom she shares Ewan
    Rote Laterne: Amis Velo, Bminchow and Mellow Velo (2 shared)
    Salvarani: Evans is the Best and Laarsland
    Samu Cuenca: 9 teams with 2 shared riders
    Search: Bonimenier and Lecko
    Vladimir: 6 teams with 2 shared
    Yellow Knight: Blues in the Bottle and Salvarani (2)
    Zigzag Warrior: Amis Velo and Rufs (2)
    and all other permutations visible on the 'Team similarity' tab on the spreadsheet.


    And if anyone else noticed that a team was missing from the major investments post, Redhead Dane doesn't have anyone above the 700 point threshhold I used in that post, Madouas being her most expensive team member.

    The other key info I missed last night was the Inter Forum Challenge
    The VeloRooms team is:
    18Valve, AmisVelo, ArchieBoy, ChrisDK, DJW, Josedin, Leadbelly, Mellow_Velo, Otoxiep87, Rote_Laterne, Scrooll07 and Search
    and everyone else (except me: I stay neutral) is for Cycling News and the averages are taken to compare them.
    After stage one, it is no surprise considering the gap to second that the challenge is led by the page of choice of Bicycle Boy:        CN 440 vs 325 VR

    I won't link to the spreadsheet every day, but the location won't change: it is here, at Google Docs.  That will be updated each evening, normally.  I am away for part of the last weekend, but we'll see what we can do about that when we get to it.


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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #21 on: July 03, 2022, 10:06 »
    Stage 2
    The bridge of sighs of disappointment

    Green points
    JAKOBSEN Fabio      80      1
    VAN AERT Wout      50      0
    PEDERSEN Mads      35      0
    VAN POPPEL Danny      25      0
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      15      1
    SAGAN Peter      10      15
    LECROQ Jérémy      5      0
    GROENEWEGEN Dylan      3      5
    MOZZATO Luca      2      0
    HOFSTETTER Hugo      1      0

    1      Josedin      80
    2      JumboVismaFan      15
    3      18Valve      13
    3      Carrick_on_Seine      13
    5      13 teams with Sagan   10
    18      BluesInTheBottle      3
    18      ChrisDK      3
    18      PostmanHat      3

    Standings
    This is the minor classification, so I'll normally just give the top ten. 
    All stages give the same points here, so it is not weighted in favour of sprint stages the way that the 'real life' Green jersey classification is (and no intermediate points here either)

    1      BicycleBoy      130      0
    2      Josedin      80      12
    3      Yellow_Knight      35      -1
    4      JumboVismaFan      30      0
    5      DJSprtsch      25      -2
    6      18Valve      18      1
    6      PostmanHat      18      -2
    8      LosBrolin      15      -1
    8      Northerner      15      -1
    8      Salvarani      15      -4

    Yellow points
    Because this ranking is, until we get to Paris, based on projections, points can drop as well as rise (eg Lampaert is no longer projected for winning).  On sprint stages, or breakaway victories with no GC impact, there may be very little change here other than the day's stage points.  On major GC stages, there may be huge change here.  But not today (I'll list main gains and losses by riders who are selected in the game)
    JAKOBSEN Fabio      130      1
    SAGAN Peter      35      15
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      15      1
    GANNA Filippo      -25      2
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      -30      2
    POGACAR Tadej      -35      1
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu      -45      4
    LAMPAERT Yves      -215      1

    Teams will have a net change in their score each day:
    1      Josedin      142
    2      Armchair_Cyclist      58
    2      Carrick_on_Seine      58
    4      18Valve      51
    5      Del1962      50
    6      Otoxiep87      49
    7      Titan31      48
    8      Kazistuta      47
    9      Laarsland      45
    10      AmisVelo      44
    10      Scrooll07      44
    12      Northerner      42
    13      Triley36      41
    14      LosBrolin      40
    15      SamuCuenca      36
    16      Comodoro      29
    17      Bonimenier      26
    18      Leadbelly      20
    19      Rufs      18
    20      Bminchow      15
    20      Mellow_Velo      15
    22      ArchieBoy      13
    23      ZigZagWanderer      12
    24      BluesInTheBottle      11
    24      Evans_is_the_Best      11
    26      ChrisDK      10
    27      Vladimir      8
    28      Lecko      6
    29      RedheadDane      4
    30      DJW      1
    30      Rote_Laterne      1
    32      Search      -22
    33      DJSprtsch      -25
    34      PostmanHat      -27
    35      JumboVismaFan      -30
    36      Yellow_Knight      -35
    37      Salvarani      -43
    38      BicycleBoy      -243
          Collective_Wisdom      45

    and there should be at least some change each day, even if in fairly insignificant parts of the table, in the Standings
    1      BicycleBoy      1397      0
    2      DJSprtsch      872      0
    3      PostmanHat      602      0
    4      18Valve      573      1
    5      Yellow_Knight      555      -1
    6      LosBrolin      542      0
    7      Northerner      520      1
    8      BluesInTheBottle      507      -1
    9      Comodoro      479      3
    10      Lecko      465      1
    11      Bonimenier      456      3
    12      DJW      443      1
    13      Armchair_Cyclist      437      3
    14      Josedin      430      13
    14      JumboVismaFan      430      -4
    16      Salvarani      429      -7
    17      Carrick_on_Seine      428      0
    18      Del1962      393      2
    19      Rote_Laterne      384      -4
    20      Rufs      375      -1
    21      Leadbelly      357      0
    22      Otoxiep87      343      2
    23      Search      339      -5
    24      ArchieBoy      327      -2
    25      ZigZagWanderer      323      -2
    26      Titan31      320      3
    27      Bminchow      307      -2
    28      Mellow_Velo      304      -2
    29      Kazistuta      301      1
    30      Evans_is_the_Best      291      -2
    31      Laarsland      287      0
    32      Scrooll07      271      0
    33      AmisVelo      270      0
    34      Triley36      263      0
    35      ChrisDK      231      0
    36      Vladimir      221      0
    37      SamuCuenca      196      1
    38      RedheadDane      193      -1
          Collective_Wisdom      282   
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #22 on: July 03, 2022, 19:35 »
    Stage 3 Farewell to the lands of the north

    Green points
    GROENEWEGEN Dylan      80      5
    VAN AERT Wout      50      0
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      35      1
    SAGAN Peter      25      15
    JAKOBSEN Fabio      15      1
    LAPORTE Christophe      10      1
    DAINESE Alberto      5      1
    HOFSTETTER Hugo      3      0
    EWAN Caleb      2      19
    VAN POPPEL Danny      1      0

    Of the 5 teams with Groenewegen, 18 Valve has Sagan and Ewan, Carrick-on-Seine has Sagan, ChrisDK has Laporte and Ewan, and BitB has Ewan.
    1      18Valve      107
    2      Carrick_on_Seine      105
    3      ChrisDK      92
    4      BluesInTheBottle      82
    5      PostmanHat      80
    6      JumboVismaFan      35
    7      8 teams with Sagan and Ewan      27
    15      5 teams with Sagan      25
    20      Josedin      20

    Standings
    1      BicycleBoy      155      0
    2      18Valve      125      4
    3      Carrick_on_Seine      118      8
    4      Josedin      100      -2
    5      PostmanHat      98      1
    6      ChrisDK      95      19
    7      BluesInTheBottle      90      15
    8      JumboVismaFan      65      -4
    9      Northerner      42      -1
    10      LosBrolin      40      -2

    Yellow Points
    There was a bunch of riders 39 seconds down.  Only 39 seconds, but some of them lost dozens of places, so that means some notable point shifts.

    GROENEWEGEN Dylan      115      5
    YATES Adam      70      2
    PIDCOCK Thomas      50      2
    LAPORTE Christophe      47      1
    THOMAS Geraint      42      26
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      38      1
    KÄMNA Lennard      38      4
    CATTANEO Mattia      33      3
    ROGLIC Primoz      30      1
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      30      6
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu      30      4
    QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander      29      3
    VLASOV Aleksandr      28      7
    VERMEERSCH Florian      27      1
    GAUDU David      26      6
    EEKHOFF Nils      26      3
    SAGAN Peter      25      15
    SCHACHMANN Maximilian      25      5
    WALSCHEID Maximilian      -31      1
    CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan      -39      2
    MEINTJES Louis      -43      3
    JUNGELS Bob      -119      7
    GANNA Filippo      -271      2

    On the day:
    1      18Valve      294
    2      PostmanHat      282
    3      Titan31      162
    4      Leadbelly      156
    5      ChrisDK      152
    6      Northerner      142
    7      Rufs      137
    8      Evans_is_the_Best      128
    9      Carrick_on_Seine      126
    10      Kazistuta      116
    10      Otoxiep87      116
    12      Josedin      111
    12      Laarsland      111
    14      Mellow_Velo      107
    15      Scrooll07      104
    15      Vladimir      104
    17      Bminchow      102
    18      ArchieBoy      97
    19      DJW      90
    20      Salvarani      89
    21      Triley36      85
    22      Search      84
    23      JumboVismaFan      83
    24      Del1962      82
    25      LosBrolin      78
    26      Lecko      72
    27      AmisVelo      70
    28      SamuCuenca      51
    29      BluesInTheBottle      35
    30      Comodoro      3
    31      Armchair_Cyclist      0
    31      Yellow_Knight      0
    33      Rote_Laterne      -4
    34      RedheadDane      -26
    35      Bonimenier      -36
    36      ZigZagWanderer      -159
    37      BicycleBoy      -198
    38      DJSprtsch      -264
          Collective_Wisdom      111

    Standings
    Bicycle Boy has lost more than 400 points in the last 2 stages, but still retains a healthy lead.

    1      BicycleBoy      1199      0
    2      PostmanHat      884      1
    3      18Valve      867      1
    4      Northerner      662      3
    5      LosBrolin      620      1
    6      DJSprtsch      608      -4
    7      Yellow_Knight      555      -2
    8      Carrick_on_Seine      554      9
    9      BluesInTheBottle      542      -1
    10      Josedin      541      4
    11      Lecko      537      -1
    12      DJW      533      0
    13      Salvarani      518      3
    14      JumboVismaFan      513      0
    14      Leadbelly      513      7
    16      Rufs      512      4
    17      Comodoro      482      -8
    17      Titan31      482      9
    19      Del1962      475      -1
    20      Otoxiep87      459      2
    21      Armchair_Cyclist      437      -8
    22      ArchieBoy      424      2
    23      Search      423      0
    24      Bonimenier      420      -13
    25      Evans_is_the_Best      419      5
    26      Kazistuta      417      3
    27      Mellow_Velo      411      1
    28      Bminchow      409      -1
    29      Laarsland      398      2
    30      ChrisDK      383      5
    31      Rote_Laterne      380      -12
    32      Scrooll07      375      0
    33      Triley36      348      1
    34      AmisVelo      340      -1
    35      Vladimir      325      1
    36      SamuCuenca      247      1
    37      RedheadDane      167      1
    38      ZigZagWanderer      164      -13
          Collective_Wisdom      393   

    But there is time for plenty to change yet.

    Much closer in the interforum challenge:
    CN 498
    VR 471

    See you on Tuesday.
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #23 on: July 06, 2022, 00:13 »
    Stage 4 Back in France

    Three TdF stage wins in France in a row for van Aert

    Green points

    VAN AERT Wout      80      0
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      50      1
    LAPORTE Christophe      35      1
    KRISTOFF Alexander      25      0
    SAGAN Peter      15      15
    MOZZATO Luca      10      0
    VAN POPPEL Danny      5      0
    HOFSTETTER Hugo      3      0
    MATTHEWS Michael      2      0
    THOMAS Benjamin      1      0

    Only 3 of the top ten selected, and 2 of them as unique picks:
    1      JumboVismaFan      50
    2      ChrisDK      35
    3      18Valve      15

    Standings
    1      BicycleBoy      170      0
    2      18Valve      140      0
    3      Carrick_on_Seine      133      0
    4      ChrisDK      130      2
    5      JumboVismaFan      115      3
    6      Josedin      100      -2
    7      PostmanHat      98      -2
    8      BluesInTheBottle      90      -1
    9      Northerner      57      0
    10      LosBrolin      55      0

    Yellow Points

    PHILIPSEN Jasper      62      1
    LAPORTE Christophe      56      1
    KRISTOFF Alexander      35      0
    SAGAN Peter      25      15
    FUGLSANG Jakob      12      10
    BOASSON HAGEN Edvald      12      0
    MOLLEMA Bauke      11      0
    MOZZATO Luca      10      0
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      10      1
    MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael      -10      1
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      -10      2
    BAUER Jack      -17      1
    GOUGEARD Alexis      -19      2
    SIMMONS Quinn      -21      1
    GROENEWEGEN Dylan      -25      5
    GANNA Filippo      -29      2
    EEKHOFF Nils      -39      3

    on the day
    1      JumboVismaFan      74
    2      ChrisDK      44
    2      Triley36      44
    4      Titan31      39
    5      Scrooll07      32
    6      AmisVelo      30
    7      SamuCuenca      29
    8      Carrick_on_Seine      27
    9      Del1962      25
    9      Kazistuta      25
    9      LosBrolin      25
    12      Otoxiep87      23
    13      Bonimenier      22
    14      DJW      19
    15      ZigZagWanderer      18
    16      RedheadDane      17
    17      Evans_is_the_Best      16
    18      Armchair_Cyclist      12
    19      Leadbelly      10
    19      Lecko      10
    21      Comodoro      8
    22      Bminchow      6
    23      Mellow_Velo      5
    24      Rufs      3
    25      Search      2
    26      Yellow_Knight      0
    27      Rote_Laterne      -2
    28      BicycleBoy      -4
    29      ArchieBoy      -6
    29      Vladimir      -6
    31      Laarsland      -8
    32      BluesInTheBottle      -9
    33      Northerner      -16
    33      PostmanHat      -16
    35      Josedin      -21
    36      Salvarani      -27
    37      18Valve      -29
    38      DJSprtsch      -33
          Collective_Wisdom      35

    Standings
    1      BicycleBoy      1195      0
    2      PostmanHat      868      0
    3      18Valve      838      0
    4      Northerner      646      0
    5      LosBrolin      645      0
    6      JumboVismaFan      587      8
    7      Carrick_on_Seine      581      1
    8      DJSprtsch      575      -2
    9      Yellow_Knight      555      -2
    10      DJW      552      2
    11      Lecko      547      0
    12      BluesInTheBottle      533      -3
    13      Leadbelly      523      1
    14      Titan31      521      3
    15      Josedin      520      -5
    16      Rufs      515      0
    17      Del1962      500      2
    18      Salvarani      491      -5
    19      Comodoro      490      -2
    20      Otoxiep87      482      0
    21      Armchair_Cyclist      449      0
    22      Bonimenier      442      2
    22      Kazistuta      442      4
    24      Evans_is_the_Best      435      1
    25      ChrisDK      427      5
    26      Search      425      -3
    27      ArchieBoy      418      -5
    28      Mellow_Velo      416      -1
    29      Bminchow      415      -1
    30      Scrooll07      407      2
    31      Triley36      392      2
    32      Laarsland      390      -3
    33      Rote_Laterne      378      -2
    34      AmisVelo      370      0
    35      Vladimir      319      0
    36      SamuCuenca      276      0
    37      RedheadDane      184      0
    38      ZigZagWanderer      182      0
          Collective_Wisdom      428   

    There should be a bit of a shake up tomorrow.
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #24 on: July 07, 2022, 22:08 »
    Stage 5  Cobbles and chaos


    Green points
    CLARKE Simon      80      0
    VAN DER HOORN Taco      50      0
    BOASSON HAGEN Edvald      35      0
    POWLESS Neilson      25      0
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      15      2
    STUYVEN Jasper      10      0
    POGACAR Tadej      5      1
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      3      1
    JAKOBSEN Fabio      2      1
    MOZZATO Luca      1      0

    Not many green points earned today
    1      DJSprtsch      15
    1      Search      15
    3      Yellow_Knight      5
    4      JumboVismaFan      3
    5      Josedin      2
    JVF and Josedin remain 5th and 6th, and the other three scorers are still well outside the top ten.

    Yellow points
    This was the opposite of the recent sprint stages: not much on the green table, but lots of overall positional change.  The biggest (temporary) winners were unselected, so on the whole it has been a negative day.

    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      45      2
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      34      1
    JAKOBSEN Fabio      31      1
    DEGENKOLB John      30      2
    THOMAS Geraint      30      26
    CATTANEO Mattia      30      3
    VLASOV Aleksandr      30      7
    SCHACHMANN Maximilian      28      5
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      24      1
    MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      23      7
    GAUDU David      21      6
    BARDET Romain      21      8
    FUGLSANG Jakob      20      10
    QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander      20      3
    PIDCOCK Thomas      20      2
    HAIG Jack      -20      10
    GOGL Michael      -20      2
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      -30      6
    LUTSENKO Alexey      -42      1
    LAPORTE Christophe      -50      1
    POGACAR Tadej      -55      1
    VERMEERSCH Florian      -63      1
    KÄMNA Lennard      -94      4
    LAMPAERT Yves      -160      1
    ROGLIC Primoz      -203      1
    VAN DER POEL Mathieu      -270      4

    On the day
    1      Evans_is_the_Best      142
    2      Titan31      108
    3      DJSprtsch      105
    4      Comodoro      102
    5      Vladimir      101
    6      Carrick_on_Seine      98
    7      Leadbelly      78
    8      Kazistuta      70
    9      Search      68
    10      Bminchow      66
    11      Otoxiep87      56
    12      Mellow_Velo      49
    13      Laarsland      35
    13      Rufs      35
    15      SamuCuenca      32
    16      Triley36      21
    17      Armchair_Cyclist      19
    18      Lecko      18
    19      LosBrolin      13
    20      DJW      10
    21      Northerner      9
    22      Scrooll07      8
    23      18Valve      1
    24      AmisVelo      -3
    25      RedheadDane      -13
    26      Josedin      -18
    27      Bonimenier      -19
    28      ArchieBoy      -23
    29      BluesInTheBottle      -24
    30      Del1962      -27
    31      ZigZagWanderer      -33
    32      Yellow_Knight      -55
    33      ChrisDK      -75
    34      Rote_Laterne      -205
    35      JumboVismaFan      -236
    36      Salvarani      -275
    37      PostmanHat      -309
    38      BicycleBoy      -410
          Collective_Wisdom      48

    Since an amazing stage 1 score, Bicycle Boy has had three huge negative scores in 4 stages, and finally that takes him off the lead. 
    1      18Valve      839      2
    2      BicycleBoy      785      -1
    3      DJSprtsch      680      5
    4      Carrick_on_Seine      679      3
    5      LosBrolin      658      0
    6      Northerner      655      -2
    7      Titan31      629      7
    8      Leadbelly      601      5
    9      Comodoro      592      10
    10      Evans_is_the_Best      577      14
    11      Lecko      565      0
    12      DJW      562      -2
    13      PostmanHat      559      -11
    14      Rufs      550      2
    15      Otoxiep87      538      5
    16      Kazistuta      512      6
    17      BluesInTheBottle      509      -5
    18      Josedin      502      -3
    19      Yellow_Knight      500      -10
    20      Search      493      6
    21      Bminchow      481      8
    22      Del1962      473      -5
    23      Armchair_Cyclist      468      -2
    24      Mellow_Velo      465      4
    25      Laarsland      425      7
    26      Bonimenier      423      -4
    27      Vladimir      420      8
    28      Scrooll07      415      2
    29      Triley36      413      2
    30      ArchieBoy      395      -3
    31      AmisVelo      367      3
    32      ChrisDK      352      -7
    33      JumboVismaFan      351      -27
    34      SamuCuenca      308      2
    35      Salvarani      216      -17
    36      Rote_Laterne      173      -3
    37      RedheadDane      171      0
    38      ZigZagWanderer      149      0
          Collective_Wisdom      476   

    CN  491
    VR 475

    Sorry: I did all this last night, but didn't press 'post'
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #25 on: July 08, 2022, 00:14 »
    Stage 6  Uphill finish at Longwy

    I guess Pogacar didn't lose all his energy for those 13 seconds yesterday, but why make an effort for 15km to get 13 seconds when you can get 10 for a 400 metre effort?

    Green points

    Eight of the top ten in a stage having been selected may well be as many as we will get.
    POGACAR Tadej      80      1
    MATTHEWS Michael      50      0
    GAUDU David      35      6
    PIDCOCK Thomas      25      2
    QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander      15      3
    TEUNS Dylan      10      0
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      5      6
    MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      3      7
    ROGLIC Primoz      2      1
    BARDET Romain      1      8

    1      Yellow_Knight      80   Pogacar
    2      Vladimir      50   Gaudu/Quintana
    3      Evans_is_the_Best      38   Gaudu/Martinez
    4      Titan31      36   Gaudu/Bardet
    5      Bonimenier      35   Gaudu
    5      Salvarani      35   
    5      SamuCuenca      35   
    8      18Valve      30   Pidcock/Vingegaard
    9      DJSprtsch      26   Pidcock/Bardet
    10      Kazistuta      18   Quintana/Martinez

    Standings
    I use elimination of the highest scoring rider as the tiebreaker when scores are equal (although if it is too far down the table, I generally don't bother)
    1      BicycleBoy      170      0
    2      18Valve      170      0
    3      Carrick_on_Seine      137      0
    4      ChrisDK      130      0
    5      Yellow_Knight      120      17
    6      JumboVismaFan      118      -1
    7      Josedin      102      -1
    8      PostmanHat      99      -1
    9      BluesInTheBottle      95      -1
    10      Titan31      88      1


    Yellow Points
    Non-climbers drop away from the higher placings, and the lighter guys move up to fill the gaps.  Is the destination of the daily 20 jersey points already determined for the rest of the race?
    POGACAR Tadej      385      1
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      155      6
    GAUDU David      138      6
    PIDCOCK Thomas      135      2
    YATES Adam      120      2
    MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      115      7
    THOMAS Geraint      100      26
    VLASOV Aleksandr      100      7
    BARDET Romain      99      8
    QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander      78      3
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      65      1
    FUGLSANG Jakob      53      10
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      46      1
    MARTIN Guillaume      40      1
    LAPORTE Christophe      -39      1
    DEGENKOLB John      -41      2
    SCHACHMANN Maximilian      -47      5
    STUYVEN Jasper      -100      0
    LAMPAERT Yves      -225      1

    1      Evans_is_the_Best      387
    2      Yellow_Knight      385
    3      18Valve      378
    4      Leadbelly      373
    5      LosBrolin      360
    6      Bonimenier      358
    7      Northerner      343
    8      DJSprtsch      336
    9      Titan31      332
    10      Bminchow      331
    11      Carrick_on_Seine      328
    12      DJW      308
    13      Lecko      307
    14      Comodoro      292
    15      Kazistuta      284
    16      Vladimir      275
    17      Del1962      262
    18      BluesInTheBottle      231
    19      Laarsland      223
    20      Armchair_Cyclist      202
    21      Rufs      201
    22      ArchieBoy      195
    23      Search      193
    24      Mellow_Velo      178
    25      PostmanHat      170
    25      SamuCuenca      170
    27      Triley36      169
    28      Scrooll07      167
    29      Salvarani      157
    30      Josedin      139
    31      JumboVismaFan      99
    32      AmisVelo      91
    33      Rote_Laterne      27
    33      ZigZagWanderer      27
    35      Otoxiep87      22
    36      RedheadDane      10
    37      ChrisDK      -22
    38      BicycleBoy      -135
          Collective_Wisdom      243

    Standings

    1      18Valve      1217      0
    2      LosBrolin      1018      3
    3      DJSprtsch      1016      0
    4      Carrick_on_Seine      1007      0
    5      Northerner      998      1
    6      Leadbelly      974      2
    7      Evans_is_the_Best      964      3
    8      Titan31      961      -1
    9      Yellow_Knight      885      10
    10      Comodoro      884      -1
    11      Lecko      872      0
    12      DJW      870      0
    13      Bminchow      812      8
    14      Kazistuta      796      2
    15      Bonimenier      781      11
    16      Rufs      751      -2
    17      BluesInTheBottle      740      0
    18      Del1962      735      4
    19      PostmanHat      729      -6
    20      Vladimir      695      7
    21      Search      686      -1
    22      Armchair_Cyclist      670      1
    23      BicycleBoy      650      -21
    24      Laarsland      648      1
    25      Mellow_Velo      643      -1
    26      Josedin      641      -8
    27      ArchieBoy      590      3
    28      Scrooll07      582      0
    28      Triley36      582      1
    30      Otoxiep87      560      -15
    31      SamuCuenca      478      3
    32      AmisVelo      458      -1
    33      JumboVismaFan      450      0
    34      Salvarani      373      1
    35      ChrisDK      330      -3
    36      Rote_Laterne      200      0
    37      RedheadDane      181      0
    38      ZigZagWanderer      176      0
          Collective_Wisdom      719   

    Tomorrow may see those who could do the short steep climbs but don't enjoy the longer slogs lose their places: GC will have something of a plausible shape and then we'll really see how we stand.
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #26 on: July 08, 2022, 23:12 »
    Stage 7 The pretty girls' super bench

    This looks to be a pattern that will repeat itself many times in the remaining 2 weeks.

    Green points
    Ignore what I said in the preamble to this section yesterday: all ten green point scorers today are selected.

    POGACAR Tadej      80      1
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      50      6
    ROGLIC Primoz      35      1
    KÄMNA Lennard      25      4
    THOMAS Geraint      15      26
    GAUDU David      10      6
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      5      1
    BARDET Romain      3      8
    YATES Adam      2      2
    KUSS Sepp      1      1

    All bar 4 teams got at least something today:
    1      Yellow_Knight      80
    2      Northerner      68
    3      18Valve      65
    3      DJW      65
    3      Lecko      65
    3      LosBrolin      65
    7      BluesInTheBottle      55
    8      Bonimenier      50
    9      PostmanHat      43
    10      Del1962      40
    10      Josedin      40

    Standings
    Still one team waiting for its first top ten finisher.
    1      18Valve      235      1
    2      Yellow_Knight      200      3
    3      BicycleBoy      185      -2
    4      Carrick_on_Seine      155      -1
    5      BluesInTheBottle      150      4
    6      PostmanHat      142      2
    7      Josedin      142      0
    8      Northerner      131      7
    9      ChrisDK      130      -5
    10      LosBrolin      128      5

    Yellow Points
    Not only the expected riders dropping down the GC: a few surprises in there too.
    POGACAR Tadej 180 1
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      155      6
    THOMAS Geraint      137      26
    ROGLIC Primoz      127      1
    GAUDU David      126      6
    KÄMNA Lennard      83      4
    BARDET Romain      83      8
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      55      1
    URAN URAN Rigoberto      37      3
    MARTIN Guillaume      28      1
    CARUSO Damiano      23      4
    MEINTJES Louis      23      3
    MADOUAS Valentin      22      1
    SIMMONS Quinn      -25      1
    MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      -40      7
    CATTANEO Mattia      -43      3
    LAMPAERT Yves      -45      1
    PIDCOCK Thomas      -60      2
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      -67      1
    FUGLSANG Jakob      -71      10
    VLASOV Aleksandr      -100      7

    On the day
    1      Northerner      365
    2      Bonimenier      335
    3      PostmanHat      299
    4      Titan31      261
    5      LosBrolin      242
    6      Del1962      227
    7      DJW      226
    8      BluesInTheBottle      224
    9      18Valve      222
    10      Lecko      221
    11      Josedin      218
    12      Evans_is_the_Best      195
    13      Rufs      182
    13      Mellow_Velo      182
    15      Yellow_Knight      180
    16      Leadbelly      161
    17      DJSprtsch      159
    18      SamuCuenca      154
    19      AmisVelo      142
    20      Salvarani      136
    21      Scrooll07      133
    22      Rote_Laterne      127
    23      Carrick_on_Seine      113
    24      Search      102
    25      Triley36      99
    26      Kazistuta      97
    27      Comodoro      91
    28      BicycleBoy      82
    29      ZigZagWanderer      52
    30      Armchair_Cyclist      41
    31      ArchieBoy      37
    32      RedheadDane      34
    33      Vladimir      26
    34      ChrisDK      20
    35      Bminchow      -3
    36      JumboVismaFan      -138
    37      Laarsland      -140
    38      Otoxiep87      -157
          Collective_Wisdom      149


    Standings
    At this stage, Vingegaard seems to be the essential pick: the top three all have him, but so do three teams who are not in the top ten.  Yellow Knight has Pogacar, who obviously brings more points individually, but leaves little in the budget: his other 7 riders each contribute only the 20 points for projected arrival in Paris.
    1 18Valve 1439 1
    2      Northerner      1363      7
    3      LosBrolin      1260      5
    4      Titan31      1222      -2
    5      DJSprtsch      1175      -3
    6      Evans_is_the_Best      1159      1
    7      Leadbelly      1135      1
    8      Carrick_on_Seine      1120      -1
    9      Bonimenier      1116      11
    10      DJW      1096      9
    11      Lecko      1093      0
    12      Yellow_Knight      1065      -3
    13      PostmanHat      1028      6
    14      Comodoro      975      -4
    15      BluesInTheBottle      964      2
    16      Del1962      962      2
    17      Rufs      933      -1
    18      Kazistuta      893      -4
    19      Josedin      859      7
    20      Mellow_Velo      825      5
    21      Bminchow      809      -8
    22      Search      788      -1
    23      BicycleBoy      732      0
    24      Vladimir      721      -4
    25      Scrooll07      715      3
    26      Armchair_Cyclist      711      -4
    27      Triley36      681      1
    28      SamuCuenca      632      3
    29      ArchieBoy      627      -2
    30      AmisVelo      600      2
    31      Salvarani      509      3
    32      Laarsland      508      -8
    33      Otoxiep87      403      -3
    34      ChrisDK      350      1
    35      Rote_Laterne      327      1
    36      JumboVismaFan      312      -3
    37      ZigZagWanderer      228      1
    38      RedheadDane      215      -1
          Collective_Wisdom      868   




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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #27 on: July 09, 2022, 19:49 »
    Apologies: an error in yesterday's data in terms of how much the position of the top ten had changed compared to the previous day.  But now you have a permanent record of how much your green ranking had changed between stage 6 and 7 if you were in the top ten, and you can easily enough compare tables if you really want to know your daily change

    Stage 8 
    Visiting IOC today, UCI tomorrow, like they've been summonsed for some indiscretion.

    Green points
    VAN AERT Wout      80      0
    MATTHEWS Michael      50      0
    POGACAR Tadej      35      1
    KRON Andreas Lorentz      25      1
    BETTIOL Alberto      15      4
    VLASOV Aleksandr      10      7
    THOMAS Benjamin      5      0
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      3      6
    JUNGELS Bob      2      7
    PIDCOCK Thomas      1      2

    Perseverance award to Zigzag, who finally gets his first points in this classification, and a good share of them too, through a unique pick of Kron.
    1      Yellow_Knight      35
    2      ZigZagWanderer      27
    2      Comodoro      27
    4      Lecko      18
    5      Kazistuta      15
    5      AmisVelo      15
    7      Armchair_Cyclist      12
    8      Vladimir      10
    8      Otoxiep87      10
    8      Laarsland      10
    8      Bminchow      10
    8      ArchieBoy      10

    Standings
    1      18Valve      239      0
    2      Yellow_Knight      235      0
    3      BicycleBoy      185      0
    4      Carrick_on_Seine      157      0
    5      BluesInTheBottle      155      0
    6      PostmanHat      142      0
    7      Josedin      142      0
    8      Northerner      134      0
    9      LosBrolin      131      1
    10      ChrisDK      130      -1

    Yellow points
    Those who should be high in GC already were, so today didn't have much of a sorting effect, thus less dramatic changes here.  But the number of non-finishers is creeping up, which don't necessarily reduce a score a lot, but damages point earning potential.
    POGACAR Tadej      55      1
    KRON Andreas Lorentz      25      1
    BETTIOL Alberto      17      4
    JUNGELS Bob      16      7
    VLASOV Aleksandr      10      7
    MARTIN Guillaume      10      1
    MEINTJES Louis      10      3
    SCHACHMANN Maximilian      -12      5
    FUGLSANG Jakob      -12      10
    VERMAERKE Kevin      -20      2
    BOUCHARD Geoffrey      -20      1
    MOSCON Gianni      -20      1
    KÄMNA Lennard      -33      4
    CATTANEO Mattia      -33      3

    On the day
    That'll probably be my best performance
    1      ZigZagWanderer      48
    2      Yellow_Knight      35
    3      Armchair_Cyclist      24
    4      BluesInTheBottle      18
    5      Kazistuta      17
    6      DJSprtsch      15
    7      AmisVelo      12
    8      ArchieBoy      8
    8      Comodoro      8
    10      Lecko      6
    10      RedheadDane      6
    12      Northerner      4
    13      Bminchow      2
    14      18Valve      1
    14      Carrick_on_Seine      1
    14      LosBrolin      1
    17      Rote_Laterne      0
    18      Search      -1
    19      BicycleBoy      -2
    20      Salvarani      -5
    21      ChrisDK      -7
    21      Scrooll07      -7
    23      SamuCuenca      -9
    24      Vladimir      -11
    25      JumboVismaFan      -12
    25      Leadbelly      -12
    25      Rufs      -12
    28      Laarsland      -14
    29      Bonimenier      -16
    29      DJW      -16
    31      Del1962      -17
    32      Triley36      -19
    33      Evans_is_the_Best      -25
    34      Josedin      -26
    35      Titan31      -27
    36      Otoxiep87      -35
    37      Mellow_Velo      -40
    38      PostmanHat      -48
          Collective_Wisdom      -12

    Standings
    1      18Valve      1440      0
    2      Northerner      1367      0
    3      LosBrolin      1261      0
    4      Titan31      1195      0
    5      DJSprtsch      1190      0
    6      Evans_is_the_Best      1134      0
    7      Leadbelly      1123      0
    8      Carrick_on_Seine      1121      0
    9      Bonimenier      1100      0
    10      Yellow_Knight      1100      2
    11      Lecko      1099      0
    12      DJW      1080      -2
    13      Comodoro      983      1
    14      BluesInTheBottle      982      1
    15      PostmanHat      980      -2
    16      Del1962      945      0
    17      Rufs      921      0
    18      Kazistuta      910      0
    19      Josedin      833      0
    20      Bminchow      811      1
    21      Search      787      1
    22      Mellow_Velo      785      -2
    23      Armchair_Cyclist      735      3
    24      BicycleBoy      730      -1
    25      Vladimir      710      -1
    26      Scrooll07      708      -1
    27      Triley36      662      0
    28      ArchieBoy      635      1
    29      SamuCuenca      623      -1
    30      AmisVelo      612      0
    31      Salvarani      504      0
    32      Laarsland      494      0
    33      Otoxiep87      368      0
    34      ChrisDK      343      0
    35      Rote_Laterne      327      0
    36      JumboVismaFan      300      0
    37      ZigZagWanderer      276      0
    38      RedheadDane      221      0
          Collective_Wisdom      856   
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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #28 on: July 11, 2022, 17:33 »
    Stage 9  Into the Alps via the Jungel

    A lot later than usual, but a bit of extra info to make up for it.

    Green points
    We've done it again: the whole top ten are selected for the game.  Well done us.
    JUNGELS Bob      80      7
    CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan      50      2
    VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos      35      1
    PINOT Thibaut      25      11
    POGACAR Tadej      15      1
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      10      6
    THOMAS Geraint      5      26
    YATES Adam      3      2
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      2      1
    QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander      1      3

    So it would appear that Zigzag was just giving us all a chance by not scoring at all on the first 7 stages, and that he is in fact a master of this part of the game (Jungels, Verona and Pinot):
    1      ZigZagWanderer      140
    2      BluesInTheBottle      92
    3      Armchair_Cyclist      85
    3      Bonimenier      85
    3      Carrick_on_Seine      85
    3      Comodoro      85
    3      DJSprtsch      85
    8      LosBrolin      65
    9      Rote_Laterne      50
    10      Leadbelly      33
    10      Rufs      33

    Riders
    Those whose stage points are at least a third place, or equivalent accumulated by multiple lower finishes
    VAN AERT Wout      310      0
    POGACAR Tadej      250      1 (Yellow Knight)
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      103      1 (JumboVisma Fan)
    MATTHEWS Michael      102      0
    JAKOBSEN Fabio      97      1 (Josedin)
    GROENEWEGEN Dylan      83      5
    JUNGELS Bob      82      7
    LAMPAERT Yves      80      1
    CLARKE Simon      80      0
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      73      6
    CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan      50      2
    VAN DER HOORN Taco      50      0
    SAGAN Peter      50      15
    LAPORTE Christophe      45      1
    GAUDU David      45      6
    PEDERSEN Mads      45      0
    ROGLIC Primoz      40      1
    VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos      35      1
    BOASSON HAGEN Edvald      35      0

    Standings
    For everyone, with best scoring riders for best scoring teams
    1      18Valve      254      0   Groenewegen/Vingegaard/Sagan
    2      Yellow_Knight      250      0   Pogacar
    3      BluesInTheBottle      247      2   Groenewegen/Jungels/Vingegaard
    4      Carrick_on_Seine      242      0   Groenewegen/Jungels/Sagan
    5      LosBrolin      196      4   Vingegaard/Castroviejo/Sagan
    6      BicycleBoy      190      -3   Lampaert/Sagan
    7      DJSprtsch      174      10   Jungels
    8      Bonimenier      174      9   Jungels/Gaudu
    9      ZigZagWanderer      167      24   Jungels/Verona
    10      Armchair_Cyclist      164      11   Jungels/Sagan
    11      ChrisDK      155      -1   
    12      Northerner      149      -4   
    13      PostmanHat      147      -7   
    14      Josedin      147      -7   
    15      Kazistuta      131      -2   
    16      Comodoro      131      13   
    17      Del1962      123      -1   
    18      Titan31      121      -6   
    19      SamuCuenca      120      -5   
    20      JumboVismaFan      118      -9   
    21      AmisVelo      112      -2   
    22      Lecko      110      -8   
    23      Evans_is_the_Best      93      3   
    24      DJW      93      -2   
    25      Rote_Laterne      92      5   
    26      Laarsland      90      -2   
    27      Scrooll07      88      -8   
    28      Salvarani      85      0   
    29      Vladimir      71      -6   
    30      Triley36      70      -6   
    31      Otoxiep87      62      -4   
    32      Leadbelly      56      3   
    33      Rufs      50      4   
    34      Bminchow      35      -3   
    35      Search      35      -4   
    36      ArchieBoy      30      -2   
    37      Mellow_Velo      26      -1   
    38      RedheadDane      3      0   
          Collective_Wisdom      101         

    Yellow points
    GC changes more due to bad days than anyone racing ahead, but notable KoM impact on this stage's changes.
    JUNGELS Bob      163      7
    GESCHKE Simon      83      1
    PINOT Thibaut      78      11
    CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan      50      2
    VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos      38      1
    LUTSENKO Alexey      28      1
    BENNETT George      25      5
    MEINTJES Louis      23      3
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      22      1
    CARUSO Damiano      22      4
    QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander      21      3
    KUSS Sepp      20      1
    GUERREIRO Ruben Antonio Almeida      -20      4
    ASGREEN Kasper      -20      1
    SCHACHMANN Maximilian      -20      5
    CATTANEO Mattia      -24      3
    URAN URAN Rigoberto      -29      3
    CORT NIELSEN Magnus      -55      2
    MARTIN Guillaume      -110      1
    MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe      -111      7

    On the day:
    1      ZigZagWanderer      302
    2      Bonimenier      193
    3      BluesInTheBottle      170
    4      Armchair_Cyclist      168
    5      Comodoro      148
    6      DJSprtsch      113
    7      Salvarani      101
    8      ChrisDK      89
    9      AmisVelo      82
    10      Rote_Laterne      72
    11      Search      71
    12      Leadbelly      49
    13      Scrooll07      40
    14      Carrick_on_Seine      39
    14      RedheadDane      39
    16      Josedin      38
    17      Rufs      37
    18      Del1962      28
    19      Vladimir      26
    20      Yellow_Knight      25
    21      Mellow_Velo      6
    22      Northerner      5
    23      DJW      -1
    24      Kazistuta      -8
    25      18Valve      -10
    26      ArchieBoy      -15
    26      BicycleBoy      -15
    26      PostmanHat      -15
    29      JumboVismaFan      -17
    30      Lecko      -27
    30      SamuCuenca      -27
    30      Triley36      -27
    33      Laarsland      -35
    34      Otoxiep87      -44
    35      Titan31      -52
    36      LosBrolin      -90
    37      Evans_is_the_Best      -94
    38      Bminchow      -108
          Collective_Wisdom      66

    POGACAR Tadej      980      1 (Yellow Knight)
    VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas      534      6
    VAN AERT Wout      498      0
    THOMAS Geraint      400      26
    GAUDU David      335      6
    YATES Adam      325      2 (Leadbelly/Rufs)
    BARDET Romain      264      8
    PIDCOCK Thomas      256      2 (18 Valve/DJSprtsch)
    JUNGELS Bob      226      7
    MAS NICOLAU Enric      207      1(Blues in the Bottle)
    POWLESS Neilson      205      0
    ROGLIC Primoz      182      1 (Rote Laterne)
    QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander      176      3
    JAKOBSEN Fabio      167      1
    PHILIPSEN Jasper      148      1
    VLASOV Aleksandr      140      7
    MATTHEWS Michael      125      0
    PINOT Thibaut      121      11
    PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien      120      0
    LAMPAERT Yves      120      1
    GESCHKE Simon      113      1
    CARUSO Damiano      110      4
    GROENEWEGEN Dylan      103      5
    CLARKE Simon      102      0
    LUTSENKO Alexey      100      1
    KÄMNA Lennard      92      4
    MEINTJES Louis      88      3
    MADOUAS Valentin      82      1
    LAPORTE Christophe      80      1
    MCNULTY Brandon      77      0
    SAGAN Peter      75      15
    KONRAD Patrick      72      0

    Standings
    With the main scorers for higher teams
    1      18Valve      1430      0   Vingegaard/Thomas/Pidcock/Groenewegen/Sagan
    2      Northerner      1372      0   Vingegaard/Thomas/Bardet/Sagan
    3      DJSprtsch      1303      2   Thomas/Bardet/Pidcock/Jungels
    4      Bonimenier      1293      5   Thomas/Bardet/Jungels/Caruso/Kamna/Meintjes
    5      Leadbelly      1172      2   Thomas/Yates/Bardet/Pinot
    6      LosBrolin      1171      -3   Vingegaard/Thomas
    7      Carrick_on_Seine      1160      1   Thomas/Bardet/Jungels/Groenewegen/Sagan
    8      BluesInTheBottle      1152      6   Vingegaard/Jungels/Mas/Groenewegen
    9      Titan31      1143      -5   Thomas/Gaudu/Bardet/Sagan
    10      Comodoro      1131      3   Thomas/Bardet/Jungels/Vlasov
    11      Yellow_Knight      1125      -2   
    12      DJW      1079      0   
    13      Lecko      1072      -2   
    14      Evans_is_the_Best      1040      -8   
    15      Del1962      973      1   
    16      PostmanHat      965      -1   
    17      Rufs      958      0   
    18      Armchair_Cyclist      903      5   
    19      Kazistuta      902      -1   
    20      Josedin      871      -1   
    21      Search      858      0   
    22      Mellow_Velo      791      0   
    23      Scrooll07      748      3   
    24      Vladimir      736      1   
    25      BicycleBoy      715      -1   
    26      Bminchow      703      -6   
    27      AmisVelo      694      3   
    28      Triley36      635      -1   
    29      ArchieBoy      620      -1   
    30      Salvarani      605      1   
    31      SamuCuenca      596      -2   
    32      ZigZagWanderer      578      5   
    33      Laarsland      459      -1   
    34      ChrisDK      432      0   
    35      Rote_Laterne      399      0   
    36      Otoxiep87      324      -3   
    37      JumboVismaFan      283      -1   
    38      RedheadDane      260      0   
          Collective_Wisdom      922         

    Non Finishers
    We are up to 11 now (but thankfully no extras due to covid tests today), 8 of whom were selected for the game

    Martin & Bouchard: Samu Cuenca
    Haig & Guerreiro: Archie Boy
    Haig & Gogl: Rufs

    Haig:Amis Velo, Armchair Cyclist, Mellow Velo, Otoxiep87, Salvarani, Scrool07, TRiley36, ZigZag Wanderer
    Asgreen: Bicycle Boy
    Guerreiro: Leadbelly, Los Brolin, Titan 31
    Moscon: Vladimir
    Gogl: Jumbo Visma Fan
    Vermaerke: Laarsland, Yellow Knight


    However, if your team is predicated upon big investments in Martinez, Van der Poel or O'Connor, you're not much better off.

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    Re: 2022 Tour de France CQ Game
    « Reply #29 on: July 11, 2022, 20:09 »
    Technically, O'Connor is not out of the race until sign on tomorrow, but I hadn't read of his withdrawal when I was writing the above.  So add to the teams suffering a lost rider:
    Amis Velo, Mellow Velo, TRiley36, ZigZag Wanderer(each also had Haig)
    ChrisDK, DJW, Scrooll07


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