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Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
« Reply #1350 on: February 18, 2014, 02:54 »
This is more or less their best side, it's just Kallis who has retired. That leaves quite a big hole in the team, as he is arguably the best all rounder in the game since Sobers.
It's definitely not their best team though. McLaren's a joke selection, Duminy's a specialist fieldsman, and there's a reserve keeper who should be in. They had Australia on the mat and bowled Peterson and McLaren in that situation.

Abbott (HTF is he not in?), de Kock & Elgar and maybe Parnell deserve a call atm, far more than McLaren and Duminy anyway.

Post Merge: February 18, 2014, 03:03
I'd say that they're suffering from England's post Botham syndrome, where any sh*t player who could do two things equally sh*t got selected. McLaren can't win his place as a batsman or bowler. Abbott's high quality and in form, and has a test best of 7/12.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1351 on: February 18, 2014, 03:25 »
    I'll be amazed if the SA team isn't shaken up a bit then after this loss. McLaren didn't impress me but it isn't his fault that Steyn and Morkel weren't bowling at their best. I agree that bringing on Peterson when they did let Aus off the hook but aren't Steyn and Morkel nursing injuries?

    Smith, Amla, De Villiers and Du Plessis are all quality batsmen and more will be expected of them in the second test. Having said that, Johnson targeted Smith and Amla from the moment he was given the ball. Alistair Cook got off lightly compared to what Amla had to face!
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1352 on: February 18, 2014, 03:54 »
    With South Africa, there's always something more than cricket to their selections. We might not see Abbott unless McLaren's dropped and team's balance redressed.

    Nothing to say about Johnson, he's been on another level since his comeback. Good to see some fast bowling. Steyn had the trots while Morkel's injury was late on. Not nearly like the Anderson clusterflip.

    Amla's a weird one, been getting looser and looser since England and now completely out of touch(even against India, struggled very much against Shami) when facing the best bowling. Smith, he's the one I most expect from in crisis situations.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1353 on: February 18, 2014, 06:57 »
    Yep but he is sh*t  ;)
    Quite true.
    Well the selectors will get the message the hard way I guess.
    F#$king stupidity is what it is. May as well have called up Cameron White and be done with it.

    What was wrong with trying Finch?
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1354 on: February 18, 2014, 07:03 »
    Steyn took 6 wickets! crickey if that's sub par :D

    Dunno if they need another wicketkeeper if ABDV is doing the job and batting well. Allow for 6/7 key batsmen
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1356 on: February 18, 2014, 09:18 »
    Steyn took 6 wickets! crickey if that's sub par :D

    Dunno if they need another wicketkeeper if ABDV is doing the job and batting well. Allow for 6/7 key batsmen
    Yes, it was sub par. He can bowl far better.

    Seen time and again statistically that keeping shaves 5-10 runs off a batsman's average. He's got a bad back and is the best batsman. He has to be specialist bat if there's an alternative.... Quinton de Kock. Not to mention, they have ballast in Duminy, anyway
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1357 on: February 18, 2014, 10:31 »
    Do you have empireical evidence to back that up?

    And I never said Steyn was at his best, just don't think his performance is in need of being questioned. If only all fast bowlers can have a bag day and take 6 wickets, lol.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1358 on: February 18, 2014, 10:40 »
    http://howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/WicketKeeping/WicketKeepingVsNonKeeper.asp

    Flower gave up keeping when Taibu came in, and he was well past it then. Denis Lindsay had the one exceptional series against Australia. All the larger samples point towards an upward curve as sole batsman, and ABdV's at his peak atm. Sanga's stark albeit a bit skewed given he wasn't at his peak when was keeping.

    Well, I'm not questioning Steyn. He had the trots and took 4 wickets, that's a fair effort.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1359 on: February 19, 2014, 01:56 »


    Fair cop :D

    Still not as bad as ACF94 ragging on Michael Clarke right before he averaged 70+ for a calendar year, including a triple century a few days later.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1360 on: February 20, 2014, 03:33 »
    Fair cop :D

    Still not as bad as ACF94 ragging on Michael Clarke right before he averaged 70+ for a calendar year, including a triple century a few days later.
    Yes well, special cases...

    Anywhores, seems Rammy gets de Kock he wanted
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1361 on: February 20, 2014, 13:57 »
    Sethers playing for a draw on D1...
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1362 on: February 21, 2014, 02:30 »
    you've been watching too much 2020
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1363 on: February 21, 2014, 03:37 »
    Crabbing along and then Duminy and Elgar get out so they're no better off (5 down) than they would be batting normally anyway.

    Pitch looks crap to bowl on. If Aus can get into the tail quick enough then they can bat on it for the majority of the day.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1364 on: February 21, 2014, 03:52 »
    2.5 an over is now unacceptable? It wasn't thrilling, but a tough engrossing day of cricket. Easily the best day of the series, so far ahead of the second that it's the equivalent of a race between Frankel and Mark Richardson.

    At 5/200 and a competent tail, there is no guarantee that Australia will be batting quickly. Also, it's not an untypical PE pitch. So it's a bit slow... not impossible to bowl on at all.

    ETA- will see after both teams have had a bat on it.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1365 on: February 21, 2014, 13:19 »
    Of course you wait till both teams bat to judge properly but the pitch is dead and the Saffers aren't taking full advantage of it.

    5 sessions for 400-odd? It basically means Australia will bat day 3for the first time and the only win will be from SA if they can take 20 wickets...something that doesn't look like happening on this pitch unless the Aussies throw them away.

    They're not batting to force a result.

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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1366 on: February 21, 2014, 14:41 »
    ...and there's that collapse. With Warner still in. :fp
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1367 on: February 21, 2014, 17:30 »
    5 sessions for 400-odd? It basically means Australia will bat day 3for the first time and the only win will be from SA if they can take 20 wickets...something that doesn't look like happening on this pitch unless the Aussies throw them away.

    They're not batting to force a result.
    They could've gone at 3.5 an over and possibly be bowled out for 250 and try to force a result. But somehow, it seems better to get 400+ and 2.8 an over.

    The only way for any team to win is to take 20 wickets. This Australian batting is still a house of cards and 20 wickets in 3 days is hardly something that cannot be envisaged.

    Also, Clarke captaincy was sh*t today. 3 midwickets, funky for the sake of funkiness.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1369 on: February 23, 2014, 16:33 »
    Sethers playing for a draw on D1...
    if only they'd batted for a win
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1370 on: February 23, 2014, 18:18 »
    Rammie, you're back! :hug Aren't you just LOVING the cricket  :D
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1371 on: February 23, 2014, 18:20 »
    I'll try not to rub it in  :D  We *DID* get :spank by the Aussies in the 1st test though, so I allow myself some :fanfare
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1372 on: February 23, 2014, 22:47 »
    You were saying  :-x   :lol
    Has the First Test result been reversed?  :o

    I'll try not to rub it in  :D  We *DID* get :spank by the Aussies in the 1st test though, so I allow myself some :fanfare
    We're not worried, you'll be back hiding in the woodwork by the end of the 3rd Test.

    if only they'd batted for a win
    It helps when the opposition throw away all there wickets and can't even be fliped batting for 80 overs. If Warner and Rogers can accumulate in the 4th innings, then they utterly threw away any chance they had in their first innings.

    Day 3 was not a normal test day, but if you think it is, ok then...
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1373 on: February 24, 2014, 02:02 »
    They walloped you in four days.... the only thing close about this match was the Monday's weather. For Australia, batting 80 overs isn't a given. It's only that England were that sh*te in the winter. Give the credit where it's due, South Africa were better by a distance in all aspects.

    I don't particularly like South Africa, in fact, they're twits. Especially after their antics last month.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1374 on: February 24, 2014, 07:10 »
      :P  :D
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1375 on: February 24, 2014, 07:11 »
    Hi Tuart, how old are you? I take it you do have a sense of humour hey  :D
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1376 on: February 24, 2014, 07:51 »
    He does, prety sure he's not had his knickers in a twist for this...
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1377 on: February 24, 2014, 08:06 »
    Cool :karen
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1379 on: February 25, 2014, 12:25 »
    They walloped you in four days.... the only thing close about this match was the Monday's weather. For Australia, batting 80 overs isn't a given. It's only that England were that sh*te in the winter. Give the credit where it's due, South Africa were better by a distance in all aspects.

    I don't particularly like South Africa, in fact, they're twits. Especially after their antics last month.

    Not including 4th innings under 80over unless bowled out:

    Nottigham 64.5 110.5
    Lords 53.3 90.3
    Manchester 146.0
    Chester 89.3 68.3
    Oval 128.5
    Brisbane 97.1 94.0
    Adelaide 158.0
    Perth 103.3 87.0
    Melbourne 82.2
    Sydney 76.0 61.3
    Centurion 122.0
    Port Elizabeth 57.0 73.4

    PE clearly, not the norm.

    10 wickets in 2 sessions and then 9 wickets in 1...yeah that's a regular occurance at the moment.

    And I said Steyn wasn't sh*t after Centurion ;)
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