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Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the crappest of them all

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Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
« Reply #1020 on: January 07, 2013, 23:53 »
Excellent point, B-Bop *Ponders*
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  • Hey, Bart! Your epidermis is showing!

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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1021 on: January 08, 2013, 02:47 »
    "@OfficialCSA: Congratulations to the Proteas women who beat the West Indies in their first ODI today! #PureProtea"
    Good result for SA, but not really a match of standards. Stephanie Taylor (WI) apart, nobody there. It's really all Australia and England, followed by New Zealand and India, and a huge huge gulf to the next of WI. Beating those four teams is nearly always out of the question, and the top two is always out of the question. Bit like an associate win against Ireland/Bangladesh.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1022 on: January 08, 2013, 13:49 »
    Found this gem today


    Some brilliant names in that touring party. Thomas Hayward, not the legend Tom Hayward, his namesake and uncle. Hayward was a roundarmer, but better known as one of the best batsmen of the era. Tom Lockyer, keeper and also a roundarm bowler (roundarm's different to overarm, think Lasith Malinga, but everyone). Though with the presence of Robert Carpenter in that touring party, it's likely he'd have kept wickets. George Parr, a batsman and an occasional not in the norm underarm bowler. Underarm bowling had basically died in the 1830s when roundarm took over.

    In that list you'll also find John Wisden. Tis a familiar name, and indeed it is the John Wisden who started the Wisden Almanack. Lillywhite was an allrounder and later became an umpire. In 1862, Lillywhite no balled Edgar Wilsher 6 times for deliberately bowling overarm. Within two years, overarm bowling was legalised and most switched over. One notable exception of course was WG Grace. He remained a roundarmer for the span of his career. John was the son of Fred, who'd proposed the widening and heightening of stumps (implemented many decades after his death).

    Ducky Diver there. And also the presence of HH Stephenson, the first bowler to be awarded a hat for taking three wickets in as many balls.

    Down in the umpires list, you'll notice the magnificently named Julius Caeser. He was also a backup in case of illness.

    Another brilliant thing is the footnote. Election day break.

    So, what's so special about that photo? That was the first overseas tour by an all England representative XI.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1023 on: January 08, 2013, 14:16 »
    United States got walloped by an innings and 64 in the first match and the rest were the same (all 22 batted twice, like a handicap match).

    It's a fair question. India's got some of the oldest football tournaments in the world (the Durand cup and IFA shield). I don't know, maybe that the ruling elite brought cricket along to the country rather than the much more poor man's football. The climate certainly plays its part too, while standing in a field for hours is draining, there's not much of a risk of rain and running around in the heat can't be fun. But football was strong early on, India qualified for the WC in '50, but refused to pay for the travel and what not. The decline happened in the 70s and it has never come back from then.

    Cricket had a FC structure; it had pretty much the first non white sports superstar in the world (Ranji), it was the preferred among the royals, and even the best of the regular pros were world class (Say, a Vijay Merchant). Cricket could also draw in a Denis Compton, in a cricketer's capacity and not as Arsenal legend, to play here. It was always likely to be bigger. Then came 83.
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    Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1024 on: January 08, 2013, 14:38 »
    83?
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1025 on: January 08, 2013, 14:57 »
    http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/ENG/1983_ENG_Prudential_World_Cup_1983.html

    Not good for an Indian team fan..... not good...... disappoint
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  • « Last Edit: January 08, 2013, 15:27 by ram »

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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1026 on: January 09, 2013, 11:36 »
    Thanks for the link, Ram.. but ah no, my wifi, the page won't open  >:( I take it they must've lost everything??
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1027 on: January 09, 2013, 11:45 »
    Just search the 83 cricket world cup (there are lots on the internet). It's one of the more famous editions along with the next three.

    For what it's worth, India won the final.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1028 on: January 09, 2013, 11:48 »
    Yeah India won against the awsomeness of that Windie attack
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1029 on: January 09, 2013, 11:51 »
    So why is it bad if they won - did it cause probs for cricket in India? Or will the Google search explain all that (no worries, I'll Google)?
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1030 on: January 09, 2013, 11:58 »
    Never said it was bad for Indian cricket. If anything, it was the point that caused the burgeoning popularity to madness; just the size of cricket compared to any other sport.

    Yeah India won against the awsomeness of that Windie attack
    Unbelievable that they lost twice to India. It just clicked, and the Zimbabwe match. Came back and destroyed us 3-0 immediately after.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1031 on: January 09, 2013, 12:14 »
    Oh, this
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    Not good for an Indian team fan..... not good...... disappoint
    confused me.. and also not being able to load it, haven't read.. thanks.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1032 on: January 09, 2013, 16:34 »
    United States got walloped by an innings and 64 in the first match and the rest were the same (all 22 batted twice, like a handicap match).
    This was an error on my part. It was an all England XI vs a United England XI which ended so (64's a typo, twas 54).

    The scorecard of said match
    http://http.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/121/121422.html

    John Jackson ruptured a blood vessel in his leg and that ended his career. Later, he died in poverty. Jackson, at his peak, was renowned to be the faster of his era.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1033 on: January 09, 2013, 16:46 »
    :woohoo

    Class by Hales, total class. Shows what the young limited over Brits can do in these sorts of competitions if given the chance. If only the IPL and ECB take heed. I would love to see guys like Hales and Buttler playing in the IPL and co. Hales looking really good now for a cemented place in the team so at least we will have that sorted.

    Oh Btw anyone see Warne theatrics the other day..now that was a sight to behold..
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1034 on: January 09, 2013, 16:58 »
    :woohoo

    Class by Hales, total class. Shows what the young limited over Brits can do in these sorts of competitions if given the chance. If only the IPL and ECB take heed. I would love to see guys like Hales and Buttler playing in the IPL and co. Hales looking really good now for a cemented place in the team so at least we will have that sorted.

    Oh Btw anyone see Warne theatrics the other day..now that was a sight to behold..
    Why do you want to see these players so prove themselves in the IPL? Do you consider it a quality tournament? Do you think it will improve them as players? It's not, and the ECB doesn't need to release them. They're better off playing counties.

    That scorecard is funny to look at. Interesting only 4 balls an over. When did it change to 6?
    Balls per over were different till not too long ago.

    1889- 4 balls to 5
    1900- 5 balls to 6 in England
    Australia had 8 ball overs
    in 1939- England tried 8 ball overs
    1979- Australia changed to 6 ball overs

    John Jacobs? FFS, John Jackson. That was a stoopid error.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1035 on: January 09, 2013, 17:13 »
    Alex Hales, take a bow son.  Onto the roof at the SCG is no mean feat.  I don't want the young English players to play in the IPL/BBL because they want to get rich quick (although that is an undeniable perk) but I think it is fair to say that it wouldn't harm their game particularly if managed properly by the ECB.  I remember a few years ago an interview with Collingwood extolling the virtues of playing and training alongside Sehwag (back when he was good), so there is some benefit for sure - see Luke Wright coming back into the side and doing well having played in the BBL as another example.  However, what we do not need is the likes of Hales, Buttler, and Bairstow morphing into the next KP - i.e. an egocentric tw*t who puts money first.

    Froomey, I posted a video clip of the Warne incident earlier in the thread.  Bats flying and all sorts!
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1036 on: January 10, 2013, 15:11 »
    Might I just say- Sobers. The greatest all rounder. Good few hours of watching his didn't go wasted.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1037 on: January 11, 2013, 18:38 »
    :woohoo   Go England!  India just can't buy a win at the moment, can they?  How long has Dhoni got left in charge?  How long have the old guard got left?  Will Pujara get a look in this series?


    I'm going to have to disagree with Slater there, a couple of years until the next WC means you've got plenty of time to introduce a few new faces, rest your big players - particularly ahead of back to back Ashes in the next 12 months, so makes perfect sense imho.  Hughes, Finch, and Khawaja are all in form, and it's good for them to get a look in and press their case over a few games.  Hughes of course, has now made his case pretty emphatically!
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1038 on: January 11, 2013, 19:03 »
    A meaningless ODI. Won't place much weightage to India's performance, win or loss. The old guard consists of Dhoni, Yuvraj, Gambhir and Raina to an extent. They have a lot of time remaining in ODIs (apart from Gambhir maybe). Dhoni is still the best batsman in ODI cricket. Where did Dhoni fail? Not as captain, this is the best batting pitch for an ODI in India. Maybe getting out in the chase. That England total of 320 here is 50 runs more than other places.

    Slats speaks no sense, not hard to disagree with him.

    Still will wait for Hughes though; he scored 2 hundreds in a test in South Africa. Long way to go yet. He's no test batsmen (despite the Lanka series, anyone could score against that team) and could've run Bailey out on at least two or three occasions today. That'll be a problem. Finch in form only in the Ryobi, mind. Drawing blanks in the Shield. Don't think he'll succeed in international cricket (even Bevan was good in the Shield domestically).
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1039 on: January 12, 2013, 16:00 »
    Oh man, Kiwi's are getting royally flipped yet again.  First Elgar gets a hundred against them, and now they're doing that headless chicken thing that they have perfected so well again.  All over by tea tomorrow...?
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1040 on: January 12, 2013, 18:19 »
    Skaap-naai. At least Ross Taylor's grin won't be wiped off easily.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1041 on: January 12, 2013, 18:36 »
    Was asked to give up the captaincy, refused, was sacked, ruled himself out of this series as a result.  Surely will be recalled for the England series.
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1042 on: January 13, 2013, 10:42 »
    "I just think in general, if you're going to have a go at someone then it shouldn't be someone from Australia [about Healy criticising Wade for being a wasteful nut]," Warner told The Sunday Telegraph.
    "You have to support the guys and get behind them.


    Warner, you precious flipping pr*ck
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    Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1043 on: January 13, 2013, 21:58 »
    He he
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1044 on: January 14, 2013, 17:50 »
    Come on New Zealand you can still win this!

    Ever the optimist BYOP?! 
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1045 on: January 18, 2013, 06:58 »
    Absolute carnage at the Gabba!  Can anyone watching enlighten me - minefield of a pitch or just good swing bowling and a few loose shots?
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1046 on: January 18, 2013, 07:50 »
    Seam there, not a minefield, and rather boneheaded batting, then again, what else can we have expected with Dilshan and Warner as openers.
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    Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1047 on: January 18, 2013, 09:11 »
    I'm looking forward to the cricket tomorrow :woohoo
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1048 on: January 19, 2013, 10:24 »
    Oh England...  :angry
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    Re: Cricket- RIP CMJ, Greigy and Neil Adcock
    « Reply #1049 on: January 19, 2013, 10:49 »
    Seriously why is Dernbach near the team?  Rubbish when he mucks around with all his variations, still pretty rubbish when he just tries to bowl fast.   :(
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