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Re: Track - General news thread
« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2015, 02:18 »
flip yeah, that will be great!
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #123 on: October 06, 2015, 10:53 »
     Just a quick head's up to let folks know that Eurosport have a heck of a lot of live track coverage coming up.
    From next Wednesday, they have wall to wall coverage of the 5 day European champs, (both am and pm sessions) followed on Monday week by the London 6 days.
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #124 on: January 28, 2016, 12:44 »
    From tonight, yours truly will be at the Berlin Sixdays! :D

    Looking forward to good racing, great atmosphere and all the rest of it.
    I will post some results and impressions (and possibly photos) in the Track Cycling Results thread ... and I hope to do some live-updates on Twitter.
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #125 on: February 18, 2016, 09:04 »
     Details of the BBC's coverage of the London World track championships, March 2nd-6th.
    Since they are the host broadcaster, it should give a rough pointer to worldwide coverage.
    Imo, not great. Nothing at all of the qualifying sessions.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/35542039

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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #126 on: February 18, 2016, 09:29 »
    From tonight, yours truly will be at the Berlin Sixdays! :D

    Looking forward to good racing, great atmosphere and all the rest of it.
    Here's my look back (in *de):
    Sechs Tage Action - Eindrücke vom 105. Berliner Sechstagerennen
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #127 on: March 09, 2016, 21:00 »
    Well then... I promised to have the Olympic track quotas before the UCI released them. And - with much appreciated help and support from Lukas - I have them. I think.

    Because the qualification system is one of the most impenetrable documents I have ever read in my life... and I spend quite a lot of time reading European legislation, so that's saying something! So with suitable disclaimers for accuracy, and of course the possibility that one or more NOC/Federation might choose not to take up all their allocation, here they are:

    MEN
    TotalNationTeam SprintInd. SprintKeirinTPOmnium
    8AUSTRALIA *au341
    8GERMANY *de341
    8GREAT BRITAIN *gb341
    8NETHERLANDS *nl341
    8NEW ZEALAND *nz341
    7RUSSIA *ru214
    6CHINA *cn141
    5DENMARK *dk41
    5SWITZERLAND *ch41
    4FRANCE *fr31
    4KOREA *kr31
    3COLOMBIA *co111
    3CZECH REP *cz21
    3JAPAN *jp111
    3POLAND *pl3
    3VENEZUELA *ve3
    2ITALY *it11
    2USA *usa11
    1AZERBAIJAN *az1
    1BELGIUM *be1
    1BRAZIL *br1
    1GREECE *gr1
    1HONG KONG *hk1
    1MALAYSIA *my1
    1MEXICO *mx1
    1SPAIN *es1
    1TRINIDAD & TOBAGO *tr1

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    TotalNationTeam SprintInd. SprintKeirinTPOmnium
    7AUSTRALIA *au241
    7CANADA *ca241
    7CHINA *cn241
    7GERMANY *de241
    7GREAT BRITAIN *gb1141
    7NEW ZEALAND *nz241
    5POLAND *pl41
    5USA *usa41
    4ITALY *it4
    3CUBA *cu111
    3FRANCE *fr21
    3HONG KONG *hk111
    3NETHERLANDS *nl21
    2AZERBAIJAN *az11
    2COLOMBIA *co11
    2LITHUANIA *lt11
    2RUSSIA *ru2
    2SPAIN *es2
    2UKRAINE *ua11
    1BELARUS *by1
    1BELGIUM *be1
    1CHINESE TAIPEI *tw1
    1DENMARK *dk1
    1IRELAND *ie1
    1JAPAN *jp1
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #128 on: March 09, 2016, 21:27 »
    WOMEN
    TotalNationTeam SprintInd. SprintKeirinTPOmnium
    7GREAT BRITAIN *gb1141
    The *gb women will have two sprint spots, but one of them will also have to ride the keirin. ;)
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #129 on: March 09, 2016, 21:32 »
    I thought countries only got one entry in each event now but you have some countries as having 2 riders in the individual sprint.

    Have the rules changed back or is it a case of 2 riders can be selected of which only one will be able to ride.
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #130 on: March 09, 2016, 21:39 »
    I thought countries only got one entry in each event now but you have some countries as having 2 riders in the individual sprint.

    Have the rules changed back or is it a case of 2 riders can be selected of which only one will be able to ride.

    I can't speak to whether or not it's a change, but the qualification system for Rio is definitely 2 riders/NOC/individual event. Those nations that qualify through the Team Sprint are allowed to enter their riders into the individual events as well.

    Are you thinking about how Team GB had to choose between Kenny and Hoy for the Keirin in London? Because if so, I can understand your confusion. I mean - I read the qualification rules and I'm still confused!
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #131 on: March 09, 2016, 21:46 »
    I can't speak to whether or not it's a change, but the qualification system for Rio is definitely 2 riders/NOC/individual event. Those nations that qualify through the Team Sprint are allowed to enter their riders into the individual events as well.

    Are you thinking about how Team GB had to choose between Kenny and Hoy for the Keirin in London? Because if so, I can understand your confusion. I mean - I read the qualification rules and I'm still confused!
    They changed the rules (back): Each country can have up to two entries in each sprint event.
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #132 on: March 09, 2016, 21:47 »
    They changed the rules (back): Each country can have up to two entries in each sprint event.

     :angry <--- This is latent anger at the 2012 rules...
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #133 on: March 09, 2016, 21:49 »
    :angry <--- This is latent anger at the 2012 rules...
    Yeah, they were pretty stupid.
    Imagine *jm Jamaica and *usa the USA only being allowed to start one 100m sprinter in athletics ...
    ... or *ke Kenya and *et Ethiopia only one marathon runner! :fp
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #134 on: March 09, 2016, 21:52 »
    Yeah, they were pretty stupid.
    Imagine *jm Jamaica and *usa the USA only being allowed to start one 100m sprinter in athletics ...
    ... or *ke Kenya and *et Ethiopia only one marathon runner! :fp

    It's one more than Kenya are likely to have in Rio...  :shh :-x
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #135 on: March 09, 2016, 21:55 »
    I can't speak to whether or not it's a change, but the qualification system for Rio is definitely 2 riders/NOC/individual event. Those nations that qualify through the Team Sprint are allowed to enter their riders into the individual events as well.

    Are you thinking about how Team GB had to choose between Kenny and Hoy for the Keirin in London? Because if so, I can understand your confusion. I mean - I read the qualification rules and I'm still confused!

    I get it now (I think). So if you qualify for the team sprint you can have 2 riders in each of the other events but they must come from your 3 riders for the team sprint. and if you don't qualify for the team sprint you get riders for the individual events based on the relevant qualifying criteria.
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #136 on: March 09, 2016, 22:12 »
    I get it now (I think). So if you qualify for the team sprint you can have 2 riders in each of the other events but they must come from your 3 riders for the team sprint. and if you don't qualify for the team sprint you get riders for the individual events based on the relevant qualifying criteria.

    Yes, that's my reading of it. We'll see in the summer how it works in practice.
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #137 on: March 09, 2016, 22:15 »
    Yes, that's my reading of it. We'll see in the summer how it works in practice.
    It's my reading of it as well - which means it's true. :P ;)
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #138 on: March 09, 2016, 22:21 »
    And now to one of my pet peeves when it comes to Worlds/Olympics qualifications: The limitations imposed upon non-European countries.

    The UCI has set maximum quotas of qualified countries per continent for the various events:
    MEN Team Sprint Sprint Keirin Team Pursuit Omnium
    Europe 5 5 5 6 8
    America 2 2 3 2 6
    Asia 2 2 2 2 5
    Oceania 2 1 1 2 2
    Africa 1 1 1 1 1
    WOMEN Team Sprint Sprint Keirin Team Pursuit Omnium
    Europe 5 5 5 6 8
    America 2 2 2 2 6
    Asia 2 2 2 2 5
    Oceania 2 1 1 2 2
    Africa 1 1 1 1 1

    In the Olympic, I have no objection to limiting the number of European countries and thereby opening up for non-European participation. This time, the most high-profile victim of this is the *gb women's team sprint who missed out on qualifying by 3 points - 964 vs. France's 967.
    I also don't have a problem with maximum numbers for other continents in some (not all) disciplines, like the omnium: The limits for America or Asia could well be reached in those. Limiting Oceania (essentially *au & *nz) to only one country qualified for the sprint & keirin if not qualified for the team sprint is alright, too - even if it's academical since both countries can be expected to qualify for the team sprint every time. I guess Guam or Fiji will be happy if and when they get a world-class track sprinter ... :D

    But the limits for America, Asia and Africa in the sprint disciplines and the pursuit are not only superfluous, they're actually hampering the internationality of the field.

    Here are the examples from this year's qualifying:
    - *my Azizulhasni Awang doesn't qualify for the men's ind. sprint despite scoring 95 points more and ranking 14 places higher than *cz Adam Ptacnik (the second Czech sprinter as *cz Pavel Kelemen is even higher in the rankings). *ca Hugo Barrette, *sr Jair Tjon En Fa, *co Anderson Parra, and *jp Tomoyuki Kawabata also rank above Ptacnik.

    - *mx Daniela Gaxiola doesn't qualify for the women's ind. sprint despite scoring 86 points more and ranking 10 places higher than *ua Liubov Basova. *jp Kayono Maeda, *eg Ebtissam Zayed Ahmed Mohamed, and *jp Takako Ishii also rank above Basova.

    - *ca Hugo Barrette doesn't qualify for the men's keirin despite scoring 148 points more and ranking 8 places higher than *az Sergey Omelchenko. *jp Kazunari Watanabe and *cn Chao Xu also rank above Omelchenko.

    - *my Fatehah Mustapa doesn't qualify for the women's keirin despite scoring 378 points more and ranking 19 places higher than *az Olga Ismayilova. *usa Melissa Erickson, *jp Kanako Kase, *mx Daniela Gaxiola, and *jp Kayono Maeda also rank above Ismayilova.

    Effectively, *my lose two possible Olympic spots by virtue of being from Asia, a continent where *cn *jp (for the men's sprint) and *hk *kr (for the women's sprint) have higher-ranked riders - despite being far higher-ranked than the last-qualified nation themselves. At least, though, Awang and Mustapa will both get to go to Rio and ride the other sprint event that they have qualified for.

    But imagine how *ca Hugo Barrette and *mx Daniela Gaxiola must feel, being robbed of a Olympics participation purely because their country is on the wrong continent! :(
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #139 on: March 14, 2016, 20:33 »
    The UCI has graciously deigned to inform us of the track qualification quotas:
    UCI Olympics Track Quotas

    I won't go through them with a fine-tooth comb and compare the UCI list to the one CJ and I got to (or not tonight, rather).
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #140 on: March 15, 2016, 19:35 »
    And here it is - you've all been waiting for it since yesterday: The comparison of CJ's and my quotas with the UCI quotas! :lol
    I've marked the differences between our calculations[1] with red so that they're easier to find.


    First, the men:
    Nation TS IS Ke TP Om Nation TS IS Ke TP Om
    8 AUSTRALIA OC 3 4 1 AUSTRALIA OC 3 4 1
    8 GERMANY EU 3 4 1 GERMANY EU 3 4 1
    8 GREAT BRITAIN EU 3 4 1 GREAT BRITAIN EU 3 4 1
    8 NETHERLANDS EU 3 4 1 NETHERLANDS EU 3 4 1
    8 NEW ZEALAND OC 3 4 1 NEW ZEALAND OC 3 4 1
    7 RUSSIA EU 2 1 4 RUSSIA EU 2 1 4
    6 CHINA AS 1 4 1 CHINA AS 0 1 4 0
    5 DENMARK EU 4 1 DENMARK EU 4 1
    5 SWITZERLAND EU 4 1 SWITZERLAND EU 4 1
    4 FRANCE EU 3 1 FRANCE EU 3 1
    4 KOREA AS 3 1 KOREA AS 3 1
    3 COLOMBIA AM 1 1 1 COLOMBIA AM 2 1 0 1
    3 CZECH REP EU 2 1 CZECH REP EU 1 1
    3 JAPAN AS 1 1 1 JAPAN AS 1 2 1
    3 POLAND EU 3 POLAND EU 3
    3 VENEZUELA AM 3 VENEZUELA AM 3
    2 ITALY EU 1 1 ITALY EU 0 1
    2 USA AM 1 1 USA AM 1 1
    1 BELGIUM EU 1 BELGIUM EU 1
    1 BRAZIL AM 1 BRAZIL AM 1
    1 CANADA AM CANADA AM 1
    1 GREECE EU 1 GREECE EU 1
    1 HONG KONG, CHINA AS 1 HONG KONG, CHINA AS 1
    1 KAZAKHSTAN AS KAZAKHSTAN AS 1
    1 MALAYSIA AS 1 MALAYSIA AS 1
    1 MEXICO AM 1 MEXICO AM 1
    1 SPAIN EU 1 SPAIN EU 1
    1 TRINIDAD & TOBAGO AM 1 TRINIDAD & TOBAGO AM 1
    0 AZERBAIJAN EU 1 AZERBAIJAN EU
    TOTALS 9 9 9 9 18 TOTALS 9 9 9 9 18
    EU 5 4 5 6 8 EU 5 4 3 6 8
    AM 1 3 2 0 4 AM 1 3 3 0 4
    AS 1 2 2 1 4 AS 1 2 3 1 4
    OC 2 0 0 2 2 OC 2 0 0 2 2
    AF 0 0 0 0 0 AF 0 0 0 0 0

    Now, the women:
    Nation TS IS Ke TP Om Nation TS IS Ke TP Om
    7 AUSTRALIA OC 2 4 1 AUSTRALIA OC 2 4 1
    7 CANADA AM 2 4 1 CANADA EU 2 4 1
    7 CHINA AS 2 4 1 CHINA EU 2 4 1
    7 GERMANY EU 2 4 1 GERMANY EU 2 4 1
    7 GREAT BRITAIN EU 2 1 4 1 GREAT BRITAIN OC 2 1 4 1
    7 NEW ZEALAND OC 2 4 1 NEW ZEALAND EU 2 4 1
    5 POLAND EU 4 1 POLAND AS 4 1
    5 USA AM 4 1 USA EU 4 1
    4 ITALY EU 4 ITALY EU 4
    3 CUBA AM 1 1 1 CUBA EU 1 1 1
    3 FRANCE EU 2 1 FRANCE AS 2 1
    3 HONG KONG, CHINA AS 1 1 1 HONG KONG, CHINA AM 1 1 1
    3 NETHERLANDS EU 2 1 NETHERLANDS EU 2 1
    2 AZERBAIJAN EU 1 1 AZERBAIJAN AS 1 1
    2 COLOMBIA AM 1 1 COLOMBIA EU 0 1 1
    2 LITHUANIA EU 1 1 LITHUANIA AM 1 1
    2 RUSSIA EU 2 RUSSIA EU 2 0
    2 SPAIN EU 2 SPAIN AM 2
    2 UKRAINE EU 1 1 UKRAINE EU 0 1
    1 BELARUS EU 1 BELARUS AM 1
    1 BELGIUM EU 1 BELGIUM AM 1
    1 CHINESE TAIPEI AS 1 CHINESE TAIPEI AU 1
    1 DENMARK EU 1 DENMARK AS 1
    1 EGYPT AF EGYPT AF 1
    1 IRELAND EU 1 IRELAND AS 1
    1 JAPAN AS 1 JAPAN AM 1
    1 KOREA AS 1 KOREA EU 1
    1 MALAYSIA AS 1 MALAYSIA AM 1 0
    1 VENEZUELA AM 1 VENEZUELA EU 1
    TOTALS 9 9 9 9 18 TOTALS 9 9 9 9 18
    EU 5 5 5 4 8 EU 5 4 5 4 8
    AM 1 2 2 2 4 AM 1 2 2 2 4
    AS 1 2 2 1 4 AS 1 2 2 1 4
    OC 2 0 0 2 2 OC 2 0 0 2 2
    AF 0 0 0 0 0 AF 0 1 0 0 0

    Analysis to follow.
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #141 on: March 15, 2016, 19:49 »
    CJ & I aren't flawless.[1] We did make some mistakes:
    - Kazakhstan is an Asian nation, and we had put it in Europe, depriving them of a Men's Omnium spot.
    - Also, the quotas for the American continent for the Men's Keirin is 3, not 2 - giving *ca Hugo Barrette his well-deserved ticket to Rio.
    - And we had somehow missed Egypt's qualification in the Women's Individual Sprint - *eg Ebtissam Zayed Ahmed Mohamed goes to Rio as well.

    But the biggest error source was the quota per continent. This isn't calculated per rider, but per nation, leading to some, frankly, absurd results.
    You'll notice that *co Colombia qualifies two riders for the Men's Individual Sprint. The first one is beyond reproach, as Fabian Puerta is ranked 3rd in the individual sprint ranking. But the other one comes through Anderson Parra. You may remember this name from earlier; he's one of the riders ranked higher than Ptacnik.
    All good then - the higher-ranked rider gets the ticket to Rio? Well, if only it were that easy. For, you see, the highest-ranked rider not qualified already is *my Azizulhasni Awang. Fair enough, the Asian quota has been filled already, so he loses out. But[2] *ca Hugo Barrette and *sr Jair Tjon En Fa are also ranked above *ca Parra - and they're from the same continent!
    Two American nations qualify a total of three riders for the Men's Individual Sprint ... but these three riders are not three highest-ranked sprinters from America!
    This doesn't make sense to my in any way.
     1. Not that we ever said so, but, you know ... :P
     2. and now it gets really absurd
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #142 on: April 20, 2016, 08:22 »
     Part of the news I've been sitting on since just after the London worlds has now broken.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/04/19/british-cycling-drops-jess-varnish-from-olympic-programme-on-per/
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #143 on: April 20, 2016, 09:00 »
    Part of the news I've been sitting on since just after the London worlds has now broken.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/04/19/british-cycling-drops-jess-varnish-from-olympic-programme-on-per/

    Do you think her axing was justified or is there any traction in the payback for speaking out rumour?
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    « Reply #144 on: April 20, 2016, 10:15 »
    All about medals for Team GB apparently.
    "Chances of medaling slim to none", "no point wasting[1] UK Sport's money", "participated in 7-8 of 10 qualification events, beaten by the French in 4 of 5 head-to-heads" ...

    Give over, Shane Sutton.
    Varnish hit a point with you, and you don't want to have anyone who's using their head for anything else than putting a helmet on in your team.
    You've thrown them to the wolves, and now you're washing your hands of them because they 'just weren't good enough to outrun the wolves".

    This 'make-or-break' attitude is the same throughout Team GB and Team Sky, and it's despicable.
    Not much (if at all) better than what Astana did with Kessiakoff.

    But hey, they're the saviours of the free world, so that's alright, I guess? :barf
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #145 on: April 20, 2016, 13:35 »
    Do you think her axing was justified or is there any traction in the payback for speaking out rumour?

     I wish I could comment, especially in the light of Lukas's "comment", but I can't.
    Obviously things aren't as simple or straight forward as to allow conclusions to be drawn from today's piece or "that interview" at the Worlds.
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #146 on: April 20, 2016, 14:27 »
    I wish I could comment, especially in the light of Lukas's "comment", but I can't.
    Obviously things aren't as simple or straight forward as to allow conclusions to be drawn from today's piece or "that interview" at the Worlds.
    I'd hope these things are not as straightforward as they appear.

    But even so, going from world record holder when just 21 to being a no-hoper in what should be her prime? Team GB have to take some responsibility for that surely?
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #147 on: April 20, 2016, 15:47 »
    Team GB have to take some responsibility for that surely?
    Always absolve yourself of as much responsibility as you can. Management 101. ;)
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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #148 on: April 27, 2016, 10:30 »
    History is littered with successful managerial partnerships with one urbane, diplomatic, perhaps even kindly; whereas the other is 'as cuddly as sack of cobbles' as Jimmy Greaves described the '66 coaching staff.

    We all know the sort of person Sutton is, and we all know that he's not suddenly changed, he's always been like this. And if we're honest, we all know that he's been incredibly successful in partnership with Sir Dave B.

    So what's changed? He's now the boss and doesn't seem able to say, "....deep regrets...wonderful rider and human being...lots of incredible talent deserving a chance...limited resources...something's got to give...door's always open...internal investigation...manage qualification better in future...heartfelt best wishes..."

    Nothing would change for Jess Varniss; but BC wouldn't have a ton of sh*te dropped on its head.



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    Re: Track - General news thread
    « Reply #149 on: April 27, 2016, 14:27 »
    One rider dropped for demonstrable under performance

    Where is the killer blow in what Sutton is alleged to have said - is the ref to babies really enough to can the guy... I think not

    Now we have the 4 years out of touch Pendleton, only to happy to kick BC at the best of times, and the not involved in track Pooley wading in...

    & now BC suspend Sutton 100 days from Rio, what a ridiculous press and media fueled crisis
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