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Re: Operation Puerto
« Reply #120 on: February 11, 2013, 11:59 »
Mikkel Condé v2.0 ‏@mrconde
Jörg Jaksche is testifying in OP today. Saying he met Fuentes for the first time in Jan 2005. He got; EPO, GH, IGF-1 & Blood transfusions.

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Jaksche said he used Dr. Choina during the Tour 2005 and says Choina was "Fuentes' colaborator in Germany". Choina's wife had a pharmacy.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #121 on: February 11, 2013, 12:05 »
    ok so Google and Dopeology nothing anyone ?

    who is  Dr. Choina ?
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #122 on: February 11, 2013, 12:23 »
    ok so Google and Dopeology nothing anyone ?

    who is  Dr. Choina ?

    Here we go thanks to twitter

    @inrng  @festinagirl @mrconde


       German doctor under probe in Spanish doping scandal


    http://www.cycling4fans.de/index.php?id=4482

    Markus Choina
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #123 on: February 11, 2013, 12:34 »
    weird I put Choina name  in google - http://www.dopeology.org/people/Marcus_Choina/

    Larri I spelt his name correctly put in his last name and your site did not take me anywhere ?????
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #124 on: February 11, 2013, 13:36 »
    Mikkel Condé v2.0 ‏@mrconde
    Jaksche makes sure to point out that Dr. Cecchini never gave him any illegal drugs. Only training plans.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #125 on: February 11, 2013, 14:05 »
    Sports doctor Eufemiano Fuentes used a page of the Tour de France's official guide to plan where riders would have blood infusions during cycling's most prestigious race, a German competitor testified on Monday.
    Joerg Jaksche, 36, who raced on the Liberty Seguros team in 2005 and 2006, told a court in Madrid that Fuentes circled a map of France where the performance-enhancing infusions would take place. There were so many circles "you could hardly see France," Jaksche said.


    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/doctor-used-tour-map-to-plan-doping-20130211-2e9a5.html#ixzz2KbDgsBkq
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #126 on: February 11, 2013, 14:10 »
    "Manolo Saiz controlled things"

    an old article just to remind yo of some early statements of future witnesses
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #128 on: February 11, 2013, 14:51 »
    Mikkel Condé v2.0 ‏@mrconde
    Basso about the blood extracted in 2005. "My intention was to use it in the Tour 2006" - which he never got to do.


    but to have bags ready and healthy you need to put bags back and most likely micro dose EPO to keep yo at a level to compete

    me thinks the wheels may fall off the Basso train
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #129 on: February 11, 2013, 22:07 »
    Mikkel Condé v2.0 ‏@mrconde
    Basso about the blood extracted in 2005. "My intention was to use it in the Tour 2006" - which he never got to do.


    but to have bags ready and healthy you need to put bags back and most likely micro dose EPO to keep yo at a level to compete

    me thinks the wheels may fall off the Basso train

    Easy you take it out in the off season, and you re infuse them at the same time when you pull out fresh blood to keep racing condition, then you micro dose EPO to make your old to new blood cell ratio believable. And you avoid using other peoples blood and getting caught like Landis.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #130 on: February 12, 2013, 11:16 »

    8m Mikkel Condé v2.0 ‏@mrconde
    Joseba Beloki is now giving his statement. Says knows who Fuentes is but that he has never worked with him.


    Mikkel Condé v2.0 ‏@mrconde
    Document 688 is Beloki's suspected "doping" calendar from Fuentes, having Beloki's phone number on it. Beloki says it isn't his race program
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #131 on: February 13, 2013, 12:19 »
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    Manzano claims he was administered dog and cow medicine, and blood bags were smuggled to the Tour in Don Simon wine boxes.
     

    9m José Been ‏@TourDeJose
    #Fuentes update. Kelme DS asked riders to donate money for the messenger pigeon to transport drugs through France!
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #134 on: February 16, 2013, 11:29 »
    Old news I think but NRC

    Vandaag in NRC: Marco Pantani, Michele Bartoli, Romans Vainsteins en Fränk Schleck waren klant bij Fuentes.

    Via thijs zonnerveld
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #135 on: February 16, 2013, 16:31 »
    Yes. Now posted on his twitter.

    Pantani's schedule in 2003: Codename: Panticosa


    Bartoli's schedule in 2002: Codename: Sansone


    Bartoli's schedule in 2003: Codename: Sansone


    Vainstein's Schedule in 200x?: Codename: VAINS




    Also the part on Amigo de Birillo, Zonneveld says Basso was one of the most loyal Fuentes costumers and explains Birillo was the codename for his dog. When his teammate and friend Fränk Schleck went to Fuentes his name was easy; "Amigo de Birillo".

    From conversations with other Fuentes costumers, no names publiced, it confirms that Schleck was costumer of Fuentes and also a source that is close to him directly confirms it. That same direct source states that Andy was not a costumer of Fuentes.




    http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/02/16/vier-codenamen-arts-fuentes-gekraakt-bekijk-origineel-dopingschema-pantani/
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #136 on: February 17, 2013, 01:40 »
    And Tyler from my stuff here. I have more, just gradually adding it

    I think this is 2002-2003 as the Tour started on the 5th that year.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #137 on: February 18, 2013, 00:35 »

    Bartoli's schedule in 2003: Codename: Sansone


    Vainstein's Schedule in 200x?: Codename: VAINS




    Also the part on Amigo de Birillo, Zonneveld says Basso was one of the most loyal Fuentes costumers and explains Birillo was the codename for his dog. When his teammate and friend Fränk Schleck went to Fuentes his name was easy; "Amigo de Birillo".

    From conversations with other Fuentes costumers, no names publiced, it confirms that Schleck was costumer of Fuentes and also a source that is close to him directly confirms it. That same direct source states that Andy was not a costumer of Fuentes.




    http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/02/16/vier-codenamen-arts-fuentes-gekraakt-bekijk-origineel-dopingschema-pantani/
    \Lot of dispute about Vains.

    Jaksche admitted to being Bella, Jorge, JJ, Vains, and Vans
    The code number for Vains is 20, the same as Bella.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #138 on: February 18, 2013, 08:44 »
    Vainstein's Schedule in 200x?: Codename: VAINS


    It's 2003. If you check the dates of the GTs marked on the calendar, they match those of the 2003 editions.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #140 on: February 19, 2013, 15:09 »
    ive moved the contador discussion into the contador thread, as some interesting points raised, but better there than here
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #141 on: February 19, 2013, 15:45 »
    Which Phonak helped Hamilton out in 2004 ?

    BB was put back in during the tdf , by team Dr doing Fuentes a favour?
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #142 on: February 19, 2013, 16:49 »
    Angel Vicioso has apparently gone missing, even the guarda dont know where he is. He is due to testify on friday.

    Being reported that AC wont be required to testify on the 22nd (same day as vicioso) as planned. He was being called by Manolo's legal team. Either they figure they may as well protect AC from lying under oath, or Manolo has finally realised that even Alberto defending him wont stop the huge pile of crap thats headed for him courtesy of Jaksche and Hamilton.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #143 on: February 19, 2013, 17:17 »
    Which Phonak helped Hamilton out in 2004 ?

    BB was put back in during the tdf , by team Dr doing Fuentes a favour?

    who was the German Dr at the 2004 with Phonak ?

    I think Hamilton just outed him

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    Says it was a German doctor on Phonak; bag had "41-42" - judge pressing for more details, if Fuentes was in France at time?

    I can not find a German Dr on Larri´s list for Phonak and Google not helping
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #144 on: February 19, 2013, 17:57 »
    I cant help but think Contador is spared once again by not having to testify. Mostlikely nothing bad wouldve happened for him, but this basically guarantees it and if it doesnt then it wouldve been found out regardless.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #145 on: February 19, 2013, 18:18 »
    Contador has dodged a massive bullet there. There would have been no new revelations from his testimony because he would have simply denied everything, the danger would come several years down the line. Perjuring yourself almost always helps in the short term but is very dangerous in the long term
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #146 on: February 19, 2013, 18:34 »
    Which Phonak helped Hamilton out in 2004 ?

    BB was put back in during the tdf , by team Dr doing Fuentes a favour?

    who was the German Dr at the 2004 with Phonak ?

    I think Hamilton just outed him

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    Says it was a German doctor on Phonak; bag had "41-42" - judge pressing for more details, if Fuentes was in France at time?

    I can not find a German Dr on Larri´s list for Phonak and Google not helping

    I would say the doctor is a 'she' by the name of Denise Demir.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phonak-doctor-the-damage-to-his-image-is-gigantic
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #147 on: February 19, 2013, 18:38 »
    who was the German Dr at the 2004 with Phonak ?

    I think Hamilton just outed him

    I can not find a German Dr on Larri´s list for Phonak and Google not helping


    I would say the doctor is a 'she' by the name of Denise Demir.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phonak-doctor-the-damage-to-his-image-is-gigantic

    So she survived the 2004 clean-up?

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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #148 on: February 19, 2013, 18:41 »
    So she survived the 2004 clean-up?

    You mean 2005? Not sure if she was there then. Will check.

    Chief doc Arratibel went noisily, complaining openly in an interview. Oddly enough, he is one of the most searched for names in Dopeology. :?
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #149 on: February 19, 2013, 18:44 »
    You mean 2005? Not sure if she was there then. Will check.

    Chief doc Arratibel went noisily, complaining openly in an interview. Oddly enough, he is one of the most searched for names in Dopeology. :?

    Mess was 2004 or was it 2005 as well phonak = team positive.
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