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Re: Operation Puerto
« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2013, 20:15 »
The keeper of Real Sociedad from 2001 till 2004 says he never saw anything suspect..

But then comes this hilarious part;

"I have never seen something suspect by other teammates, I have never been approached to use something either. And I have never noticed that a 'preparation' improved my performance. At Sociedad we received an infuse once in a while, before or after the game. But I cant imagine that it were prohibited substances. It doesnt seem likely to me that you do it in the publicity of the dressing room.



Doesnt know what is in the infuses but surely it couldnt be dope, :').

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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #91 on: February 04, 2013, 21:24 »
    Remarkably naive, that.
    I wonder whether Sociedad is used as a scapegoat of sorts here. Puerto himself said that he'd been involved in bigger football teams - is Sociedad the Bertagnolli of Spanish football?
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #92 on: February 05, 2013, 00:47 »
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #93 on: February 05, 2013, 02:16 »
    Neither was Sociedad tbf. An ex president implicated his own club. So one's got to hope that Fiorentino Perez defrauded Ramon Calderon in some manner, or the latter wants another term right away.

    And does anything in Spain generate revenue apart from Barca and Real Madrid?
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #94 on: February 05, 2013, 09:53 »
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #96 on: February 05, 2013, 16:21 »
    I find it hard to believe that Real Madrid or Barca will be thrown to the lions.
    Which was my point. ;)
    It's a semi-open secret that Fuentes "helped" the really big fish in Spain, both in football and tennis. Sociedad simply have no lobby (or not big enough a lobby), so they're sacrificed on the altar of football as a doping-free sport.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #97 on: February 05, 2013, 16:35 »
    Neither was Sociedad tbf. An ex president implicated his own club. So one's got to hope that Fiorentino Perez defrauded Ramon Calderon in some manner, or the latter wants another term right away.

    And does anything in Spain generate revenue apart from Barca and Real Madrid?

    Hardly any European football teams operate without a deficit, probably not Real and Barca either, it reminds me of a quote I heard ones, "The fastest way to become a millionaire is to be a billionaire and buy a football club."
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #98 on: February 05, 2013, 17:00 »
    It was just a jibe at the Spanish economy rather than how the clubs are run. And hey, I used revenue rather than net profit for a reason
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #99 on: February 05, 2013, 22:51 »
    It was just a jibe at the Spanish economy rather than how the clubs are run. And hey, I used revenue rather than net profit for a reason

    Must have misread that, anyhow I guess it could be argued that the wealth of the owner has a lot to do with it as well, if the owner won't pay then the truth will get out. So unless the owner is broke the truth will be contained.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #100 on: February 07, 2013, 13:05 »
    Just in case anyone was wondering what happened to the daily updates, I stopped doing them for the moment because they've not really been very interesting since the Guardia Civil took over giving testimony. Basically just restatements of what we already know, no revelations of any real significance.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #101 on: February 07, 2013, 16:29 »
    Dim

    Fabs = Luigi

    T Dekker = clasicom...... Luigi

    Dekker ousted himself with the nickname about 3 weeks ago.

    Hope that makes sense on the tablet too hard yo cut and paste
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #102 on: February 07, 2013, 16:32 »
    Dim

    Fabs = Luigi

    T Dekker = clasicom...... Luigi

    Dekker ousted himself with the nickname about 3 weeks ago.

    Hope that makes sense on the tablet too hard yo cut and paste

    old german articles ive just been through have dekker being confirmed as clasicomano, and not clasicomano luigi.ive just had about a thousand webpages open and lost the link though
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #106 on: February 07, 2013, 16:42 »
    Ok weird Dekker saying it is him

    Makes more sense for fabs
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #107 on: February 07, 2013, 16:54 »
    Ok weird Dekker saying it is him

    Makes more sense for fabs

    I cant work out if hes saying it, or if the reporter in teh article is saying it. Trouble is, theres no reference to solely Luigi anywhere in the peurto files (unless larry can find something), and german media reports from 2009 all pointing to classicomano being dekker. I will put a footnote on the two names.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #108 on: February 07, 2013, 16:55 »
    Dekker doesn't confirm it afaik, it's other "sources".
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #109 on: February 07, 2013, 17:23 »
    Ok, on Classicomano Luigi, this spanish article naming cancellara clearly states him as rider 24 or classicomo luigi. http://www.ciclismo2005.blogspot.nl/2013/02/hamilton-identifica-luigi.html
    An earlier article from 2010 cites dekker as clasicomano http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/doping-im-radsport-razzia-und-neue-tests-1.687240&usg=ALkJrhinKPhZf8XahWdwDklgAGrB5vvmHQ however, worth noting, that they cite Dekker as being 24 years old, which may be were some of the confusion has arisen from.

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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #110 on: February 07, 2013, 22:57 »
    Interesting stuff from Spain.

    via spanish tweeter

    In Spain it is thought MZD to be Eddy Mazzoleni
    Jandro is Alejandro...and still works in cycling...as assistant in Astana (Alejandro Vazquez)
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #111 on: February 08, 2013, 02:39 »
    http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/spain-to-examine-soccer-doping-allegations-20130208-2e26h.html

    at least mainstream media are starting to pick up on it.

    the first paragraph doesnt give me much hope though

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    Spain's anti-doping agency is looking into allegations that doping practices have spread beyond cycling and into football.

    its still all cyclings fault of course  :rolleye
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #112 on: February 08, 2013, 03:20 »
    Contador was cleared from the Puerto investigation cos of no actionable evidence, no? What can he provide as an eyewitness to this case going by those standards? Isn't calling him as eyewitness in conflict to the clearance? Or is he testifying about Liberty, and that can only be methods. When is his testimony?

    Not expecting him to say anything, but questions...
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #113 on: February 08, 2013, 05:01 »
    Contador was cleared from the Puerto investigation cos of no actionable evidence, no? What can he provide as an eyewitness to this case going by those standards? Isn't calling him as eyewitness in conflict to the clearance? Or is he testifying about Liberty, and that can only be methods. When is his testimony?

    Not expecting him to say anything, but questions...

    Hmmmm. maybe they invited Berto so he can pose for pictures and sign autographs?
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #114 on: February 08, 2013, 06:21 »
    Hmmmm. maybe they invited Berto so he can pose for pictures and sign autographs?

    Maybe, but he was not there or ever meet Fuentes so how would he know if it clean, odd witness for the defence,

    Maybe get will admit ..... sorry just a dream
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #115 on: February 08, 2013, 06:53 »
    Some of the code names are cute or clever and some are just so dull and obvious. If I ever need a secret code name, I'll be sure to come up with something fun and not easily linked to me.
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #116 on: February 08, 2013, 07:58 »
    couple of things

    1st  time I have seen Marco Pantini´s name involved in all thins, must have missed seems a strange fit do we have more details about the whens why etc

    also "Luigi" Cecchini went no doping what year was that ? well no hands on himself  ;) referred out it seems
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #117 on: February 11, 2013, 10:17 »
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    #Fuentes update: Jaksche at the stand now. “Fuentes could provide white powder which would result in a non-positive test.”
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    Re: Operation Puerto
    « Reply #118 on: February 11, 2013, 10:19 »
    ram ansimi jsg Alberto will testify in defense of Saiz so will say something along the lines of - He didn't introduce me to Fuentes, didn't force me to dope etc
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    « Reply #119 on: February 11, 2013, 11:45 »
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    Fuentes offered a "buy one get the next one half price" offer on blood bags. According to Jaksche 1 one cost 4000 euros, 2 cost 6000
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