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Charlie Walsh was the head of the Aus track cycling program for a VERY long time.  Big name, but not so surprising .... would be surprising if he wasnt involved somehow ;D
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    Hog on CN says Charlie Walsh. no idea who he is.

    Walsh is a loved well not loved admired and hated figure in Oz cycling, came to Oz from behind the wall and built Australias track cycling program from a couple of talented riders into a powerful machine, especially the mens side of things.

    Bascially had my way or the highway idea, plus if you survived then you were the strongest.

    No way injections were going on without Walsh knowing abouit it.

    But Charlie has already been throw under a bus, hence my it is Charlie Walshs fault 1 liners in threads about Oz cycling.

    So not a real big story if it is Walsh.

    Dim sort of Australias Eddy B I guess
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  • Of course, if this turns out someday to be the industry standard integrated handlebar-computer-braking solution then I'll eat my kevlar-reinforced aerodynamic hat.

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    This could be interesting
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/27senior-cycling-figure27-accused-of-doping/4380686?section=sport

    watch at 5m20 the name is bleeped out, but looks decidedly like Shane Sutton

    Just watched the bleeped out bit

    I agree Sutton which one Shane or Gary , plus Walsh got thrown under a bus years ago as I said, this person is still working in cycling



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    where is Esa ? some stories please re the OZ guys

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    When did Barnes start working in cycling?

    He was one of the first on the scene at the Del Monte investigation.
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    When did Barnes start working in cycling?

    He was one of the first on the scene at the Del Monte investigation.

    not much help but from CN

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    Barnes brings many years of experience to the table, having worked on the medical staff on the Australian Olympic teams at the 1996, 2000 and 2004 Games and worked closely with Cycling Australia, through its most successful period, as part of the Australian Institute of Sport medical team. The South Australian also spent 12-years (1997-2009) as the Chief Medical Officer for Port Adelaide Football Club in the AFL. He has also worked as Chief Medical Officer at the Tour Down Under.

    But after this named person I think ??

    ps here is the CAS PDF for those that want to read Del monte

    http://www.asada.gov.au/publications/rules_and_violations/CAS/CAS_French.pdf
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    @daveyboy390 the timeline fits, but he doesnt hold what youd called a senior position in australian sport anymore, i dont think

    Dim they never said in Australian cycling

    they said Australian holding a senior position in cycling

    hence why I think he works overseas.
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    Gary Suttons name being bandied around, along with Phil Bates, Gary's brother in law.
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    But after this named person I think ??


    When they signed Barnes I thought he was an "outsider", no in depth cycling experience. Then I read the Del Monte report and his name came up (as an investigator). This showed to me that he knows what goes on, and leaves me wondering how those past experiences shape his stance today.

    To me there are three types of doctors:

    Facilitators: They are actively involved in doping and one of the core components of a program.

    Agnostics: They do not want to encourage doping but will do the right thing by their team in making sure they stay legal.

    Anti-doping: Will not involve themselves in any doping at the team, could be either passive or aggressive in this stance.

    IMO most would fit into the second category.

    At the moment I'd probably say Barnes is a #2.

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    When they signed Barnes I thought he was an "outsider", no in depth cycling experience. Then I read the Del Monte report and his name came up (as an investigator). This showed to me that he knows what goes on, and leaves me wondering how those past experiences shape his stance today.

    To me there are three types of doctors:

    Facilitators: They are actively involved in doping and one of the core components of a program.

    Agnostics: They do not want to encourage doping but will do the right thing by their team in making sure they stay legal.

    Anti-doping: Will not involve themselves in any doping at the team, could be either passive or aggressive in this stance.

    IMO most would fit into the second category.

    At the moment I'd probably say Barnes is a #2.



    agreed re the 3 types nicely done

    no idea re Barnes but he worked closly with cycling during the growth in OZ cycling so he must be a fool not to know a shed load more than we do
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    Could be Charlie Walsh.  Vinnicombe was in the same St Georges Cycling Club that Gary and Shane Sutton had been in.  Both would fit the bill as being senior riders who achieved and to whom Martin would look up to.
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    Sorry, just catching up at the week-end.  I see that connection was already made in the clinic.
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    Lampre wants to win this award - Michele Bartoli going to the team as a coach/ds not in a car though
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    where is Esa ? some stories please re the OZ guys

    ps Dean Woods  :win

    Hello boyz and girlz...! Sorry haven't been around for a while; I'm back in Oz for a few weeks...

    In all honesty I don't think Woodsey was on anything, he's just a natural talent, and a favoured son of Charlie Walsh. There were always rumours about Vinnicombe, which seem to have been correct and valid.

    I think you'll find the person that is being 'suspected' is a sprinter... an ex-world champion sprinter, NSW based, and still very much involved with the National Team. (Without mentioning names, it's not too difficult to figure who won the world's sprint in 2002)

    Back in the late 90s and early 00s there was a vet (as in vet surgeon) that supplied many of the PEDs on the Australian scene... John Katakasi. I know he and the above sprinter were involved, but no 'proof' was ever forthcoming. Check this link for some background info: www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/02/1088488156166.html

    I'd be stunned if Sutto (Gary) is involved... he has/had a rep as being clean, and I remember having a conversation years ago about Shane, and Gary said one of the reasons that he didn't want to ride the sixes with Shane was Shane's 'preference' for certain pharmacueticals!

    Anyway... some food for thought. I've limited access to the net at the moment, so forgive me if I don't get to replying.
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    again... pepe marti stopped working with Alberto when he (Berto) joined Saxo
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    Chann needs to be added for Slipstream?
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    The San Luis website has the full list of team staff attending. Looking at GreenEdge I had no idea who any of them are, according to L'arri a certain Vicente Iza is ex Banesto staff unfortunately caught up in the Blitz raids.
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    I note from CN this morning that Joxean Matxin is now a DS at Lampre. Dodgy track record Geox and Saunier Duval.
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  • Cycling is a Europe thing only and I only watch from Omloop on cause I am cool and sh*t
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    Emilio Magni has joined Astana :D
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    So Vaughters signs a DS who was a) arrested as a rider over Oil for Drugs and subsequently received a two-year suspension for buying banned substances and who b) also remains one of the very few lucky individuals to beat an EPO positive on a negative B-sample.

    The memories are short and the silence is deafening. ;)
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    the silence is deafening. ;)
    Mainly because e.g. I didn't know about it until just now.
    It's the off-season for fans too. We can't be alert 24/7, 365 days a year. ;)
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    Mainly because e.g. I didn't know about it until just now.
    It's the off-season for fans too. We can't be alert 24/7, 365 days a year. ;)

    Also it's Garmin and Vaughters, so he must be well advanced on the path to redemption.
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    Also it's Garmin and Vaughters, so he must be well advanced on the path to redemption.
    Hopefully so. Whatever that means.
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    Also it's Garmin and Vaughters, so he must be well advanced on the path to redemption.

    regarding Tinkoff's new choice of directeurs sportif, not wanting to stay there (or not being "needed" anymore) might not be the worst sign...
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    Also it's Garmin and Vaughters, so he must be well advanced on the path to redemption.
    Maybe, either he has or is talking to USADA or no one cares because LA was not involved
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    The judgement is still around. I got it from ItaliaCiclismo.net but I've attached a copy here if anyone's interested.

    In a nutshell, Guidi is wiretapped talking to Balestri about blood bags in coded language.

    The authorities raid a property and find growth releasing hormone which the defendant's father claims was prescribed to him for a health condition related to his work as a painter.

    When asked to provide evidence, namely a doctor's referral or details of a pharmacy, he suddenly can't remember the details (now I dunno about you, but my parents would never bullsh*t the police even if it meant I got busted).

    Guidi's lawyer tries to get the case dismissed on the grounds of the defendant no longer being a cyclist (he had since retired) and that the conversations were about equipment and race tactics in Milan - San Remo rather than drugs.

    The panel didn't buy it and Guidi got a two-year suspension.
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    When asked to provide evidence, namely a doctor's referral or details of a pharmacy, he suddenly can't remember the details (now I dunno about you, but my parents would never bullsh*t the police even if it meant I got busted).
    Italians are different. They stand up for their own (be it family or friends), under almost any circumstances.
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