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Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
« Reply #64 on: March 10, 2016, 08:33 »
https://twitter.com/nsantam/status/707605106607452161

Calle's second offence, of course, after a heptaminol positive at the 2004 Olympics. This is someone who wanted to win at any cost and now we know the cost.
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #66 on: July 05, 2016, 12:54 »
    https://www.twitter.com/inrng/status/749987199991574528

    The test for GHRP-2, coincidentally developed by Russia's Moscow Anti-Doping Centre, has only been in existence for a year or so, judging from the academic text on it:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.1787/abstract
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #67 on: August 01, 2016, 22:38 »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3718410/Lizzie-Armitstead-wins-court-fight-compete-Rio-Olympics-UK-anti-doping-wanted-four-year-ban-three-missed-tests.html
    (yeah, I know it's the Daily Mail - I hope you can forgive me)

    Oopsie!
    Lizzie was close to being banned after three missed tests.
    One of those has now been blamed on the tester, leaving her free to compete in Rio ... but she's still only one missed test away from a ban until October.
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #68 on: August 02, 2016, 06:44 »
    And British Cycling supported the appeal even paid for it , the difference between this and S Yates is amazing
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #71 on: August 02, 2016, 08:27 »
    At least we know the silent/secret/invisible ban still exists   
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #72 on: August 02, 2016, 08:45 »
    Wow this took me by surprise.

    The secrecy around this, plus the British press's "nothing to see here" attitude today, is interesting.

    With hindsight if an athlete feels that there has clearly been an irregularity in testing they should press to get that struck off from the start, not wait for two further 'violations' to seek redress?
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #73 on: August 02, 2016, 09:02 »
    This certainly does not give hope for the anti-doping fight. The secrecy still exists, the double standards do too. British cycling clearly plays favourites and did everything to maintain their chances of Olympic gold over protecting the integrity of their anti-doping stance. Which is, of course, far from unique to British cycling and shows one of the major weaknesses of the current system.

    Regarding Armitstead herself, well, not sure this says anything. There are many legitimate reasons for missing a test, so it is far from a smoking gun. She has been lucky to get away with it though, and needs to be very careful from here on.
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #74 on: August 02, 2016, 09:53 »
    long time off the board (busy with life, moved house, taken up DIY -every evening and w/e-, travelled a lot for work) and have followed cycling more from a distance this year.

    maybe a question for L'arri, but the secrecy of the LA ban is surprising, but more than that, BC paying for her defence and appeal.
    would this bring up a WADA compliance issue? as in it's UKADA and BC that are supposed to be prosecuting the case, so why are BC defending the case. It suggests they're very bad at maintaining their impartial regulator position.


    Ohorugu, Farah, LA;- after Dwain Chambers described in great detail how the key to be clean was to know glow times and if you're glowing avoid tests at all costs
    why does anyone think these are honest mistakes
    the requirements are that you make your whereabouts generally known but for 1hr a day (at your choosing) you have to be both contactable via phone and physically in a place that you said you'd be. this location can be changed at very short notice and their is also a 24hr number to call if there's a problem.

    being woken at 4 in the morning is annoying but for a handful of times a year it's something you can live with. check your whereabouts when you go to bed, check your phone is on, charged and has signal or you have a landline listed

    lots of people check their work email before bed, not that weird or burdensome.

    (LA's point that she was tested (non positive) 24hrs after one of the missed tests is also designed to mislead. EPO has a half life of ~5hrs so moving a test from one morning to the next afternoon (-36hrs) would mean that the amount in your body has halved 7 times, which in english means that ~99.997% of it is no longer present. that's a time frame over which a microdose might be expected to be safely taken. we know that the windows for these drugs to show up is tiny, so anyone missing tests is hugely suspicious, however much they're tested.)
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #75 on: August 02, 2016, 10:26 »
    That initial missed test has shades of mr Froome, in the "hotel reception refused to give room phone number" variety.  Again in keeping with other posts if you are a pro athlete it must me incumbent on you when you check in to say to reception that if anyone wants to contact you carrying doping control accreditation then you are cool with them being put through ... Whatever the hour
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #76 on: August 02, 2016, 11:08 »
    That initial missed test has shades of mr Froome, in the "hotel reception refused to give room phone number" variety.  Again in keeping with other posts if you are a pro athlete it must me incumbent on you when you check in to say to reception that if anyone wants to contact you carrying doping control accreditation then you are cool with them being put through ... Whatever the hour
    If you're at a race (and this was the day before the Swedish World Cup race), your team is required to fill out a form with riders' room numbers and deposit that at the reception, to be handed to any anti-doping officials that might show up.

    There is no way we can ascertain what happened from this quote:
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    CAS ruled that the UKAD doping control officer had not followed required procedures nor made reasonable attempts to locate Armitstead.
    Did they not identify themselves to the hotel reception? If so, that's asinine.
    If they did, there is no reason they shouldn't have been given her room number.
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #77 on: August 02, 2016, 11:18 »
    Boels also knew about it and kept it quiet
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #78 on: August 02, 2016, 11:38 »
    Really suspect stuff, seems like once again national bodies are willing to close an eye if it gives them a big chance for an olympic golden medal. Pfffffff. It doesnt make any sense to not instantly appeal the first test if you've missed it and its not your fault, it just looks like they were looking for a technicality at the end and luckily found one.

    Imagine if Armitstead wouldve been a Russian cyclist who missed three tests.. :^)
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #79 on: August 02, 2016, 11:52 »
    https://twitter.com/FERRANDPREVOT/status/760266326015414272

    My google translate says; What a shame/disgrace.
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #81 on: August 02, 2016, 14:07 »
    This whole this is a timeline mess

    UKAD
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    they also say

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    but

    https://twitter.com/johnarmitstead/status/760432215759134720

    plus it seems you appeal to UKAD 1st then get suspended then appeal to CAS you don´t go to CAS after the 3rd violation being provisionally suspended.

    You can of course go to CAS after the 1st or 2nd whereabouts violation but that would be after the UKAD ruling

     
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #83 on: August 02, 2016, 14:52 »
    Doesn't fill me with confidence at all. At the very best this is poor.
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #84 on: August 02, 2016, 14:56 »
    Really suspect stuff, seems like once again national bodies are willing to close an eye if it gives them a big chance for an olympic golden medal. Pfffffff. It doesnt make any sense to not instantly appeal the first test if you've missed it and its not your fault, it just looks like they were looking for a technicality at the end and luckily found one.

    Imagine if Armitstead wouldve been a Russian cyclist who missed three tests.. :^)

    It's more than that, a large part of the funding depends on results.
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #86 on: August 03, 2016, 10:16 »
    Lizzie told the daily mail this about the 1st violation

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    "I also didn't have the legal advice. It felt very much them against me. I was very naive. I went ahead to the World Championships and I didn't want the distraction."

    which goes against what John said

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    « Reply #87 on: August 03, 2016, 11:14 »




    not sure how easy it is to read
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    Re: Women's cycling - Darkside
    « Reply #89 on: August 03, 2016, 11:44 »
    Heard people discussing this case on the Tube this morning, seemed confused as to why she can miss three tests. It's a mess, too many vested interests.

    Like others have said, not contesting it until the ban loomed is very fishy - and not an overly difficult loophole to close. Don't really see any reason why someone shouldn't have to contest it within the week to be honest, the longer it is the easier it is to fudge some bullsh*t about what you were doing.

    It's just so frustrating - the whole point of needing three missed tests is that there are legitimate reasons for missing one test, but building up a pattern is really not okay, but the situation now is that you can build up a pattern, but one minor technicality erases that. I really think the attitude needs to be that if you cannot manage to make yourself available for testing, you cannot expect to be allowed to compete.
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