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Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
« Reply #120 on: December 03, 2014, 18:32 »
With Neri out of MPCC I'd like to see RCA deny them wildcards, like they've said they will do. If that happens MPCC has brought a little change to cycling (again). A type of change UCI hasn't been capable of bringing. If a team gets 3 EPO positives in a row and doesn't give a damn about it they shouldn't be riding Giro d'Italia year after year. But my fate in RCA isn't the highest.
Very true Neppe.

The nationalistic shades worn by RCS & ASO are huge. It is understandable considering the benefits, but unfortunate nevertheless.
Particularly if a team like MTN, and all it supports, loses out to a team like Neri..

It may be that teams/MPCC are happy to take potshots at the lesser teams, those that aren't going to retaliate and are already out of favour. But messing with Vino, no one would do that in their right mind...Though having said that, in their position I would have left Astana where they are and dealt with the other two accordingly for the reasons stated above.

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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #121 on: December 03, 2014, 18:41 »
    Hopefully Astana will be treated in the same way next time one of their riders gets busted.

    Next week probably.

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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #122 on: December 08, 2014, 16:44 »
    http://mpcc.fr/index.php/en/news-uk/item/353-can-we-accept-all-the-teams-within-the-mpcc

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    The latest cases that have affected cycling highlighted the strict rules of MPCC and prompted many reactions, especially about a basic principle of the movement: no locked doors to registration. Can MPCC let every team in? Manager of Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela, Gianni Savio is well placed to provide his insight: his team experienced some doping cases in the past and his team roster includes two reformed riders. Last year, when Francesco Reda’s biological passport showed anomalies and despite the length of disciplinary proceedings, he kept the commitment made with MPCC by applying the precautionary principle which asks for the rider's suspension from any competition while keeping him in the team. If Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela had not been member of MPCC, it would not have been required to the team. Threatened with self-suspension by that regulation until 30 May 2015, Gianni Savio renewed its commitment to the movement for the coming year.

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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #123 on: December 08, 2014, 16:52 »
    The Silver Fox playing the long game. Working the clean PR to show RCS don't do it again re :flou take us instead  :D
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #124 on: December 08, 2014, 17:18 »
    For all that he might be the two-bit shyster of Italian cycling, Savio is bloody impressive, even in French. Balls of brass. Always be closing.  :lol
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #125 on: December 09, 2014, 00:24 »
    http://mpcc.fr/index.php/en/news-uk/item/353-can-we-accept-all-the-teams-within-the-mpcc
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    The latest cases that have affected cycling highlighted the strict rules of MPCC and prompted many reactions, especially about a basic principle of the movement: no locked doors to registration. Can MPCC let every team in? Manager of Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela, Gianni Savio is well placed to provide his insight: his team experienced some doping cases in the past and his team roster includes two reformed riders. Last year, when Francesco Reda’s biological passport showed anomalies and despite the length of disciplinary proceedings, he kept the commitment made with MPCC by applying the precautionary principle which asks for the rider's suspension from any competition while keeping him in the team. If Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela had not been member of MPCC, it would not have been required to the team. Threatened with self-suspension by that regulation until 30 May 2015, Gianni Savio renewed its commitment to the movement for the coming year.

    So now Redas blood profile was wonky too, or is it a misunderstanding? He was banned for refusing to submit to sample collection.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #126 on: December 09, 2014, 00:47 »


    So now Redas blood profile was wonky too, or is it a misunderstanding? He was banned for refusing to submit to sample collection.

    mmh, good point, I never read anything about it, and I just had another look, CONI definitely banned him for "Evading, Refusing or Failing to Submit to Sample Collection" and nothing else was mentioned.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #127 on: December 09, 2014, 11:02 »
    So now Redas blood profile was wonky too, or is it a misunderstanding? He was banned for refusing to submit to sample collection.

    mmh, good point, I never read anything about it, and I just had another look, CONI definitely banned him for "Evading, Refusing or Failing to Submit to Sample Collection" and nothing else was mentioned.

    a. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/androni-says-uci-has-forced-it-to-use-suspended-rider-reda

    b. http://www.cicloweb.it/news/2014/01/30/antidoping-2-anni-di-stop-a-francesco-reda-danilo-di-luca-non-si-presenta-al-coni.ht

    Well spotted. Reda skipped a doping control in the 2013 GP Camaiore and Savio benched him. The UCI forced Androni to let Reda race again and then CONI finally suspended him. The only other Androni rider with a known bio-passport history is Pellizotti but the suspension was finished by the time he joined the team.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #128 on: December 09, 2014, 13:53 »
    a. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/androni-says-uci-has-forced-it-to-use-suspended-rider-reda

    b. http://www.cicloweb.it/news/2014/01/30/antidoping-2-anni-di-stop-a-francesco-reda-danilo-di-luca-non-si-presenta-al-coni.ht

    Well spotted. Reda skipped a doping control in the 2013 GP Camaiore and Savio benched him. The UCI forced Androni to let Reda race again and then CONI finally suspended him. The only other Androni rider with a known bio-passport history is Pellizotti but the suspension was finished by the time he joined the team.

    This is pretty confusing. There must be more to the story
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #130 on: December 19, 2014, 07:19 »
    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/mpcc-states-that-six-member-teams-face-auto-suspensions-if-repeat-doping-cases-occur/


    According to the MPCC, the other teams, the potential suspensions and the dates concerned are as follows:

    - Neri Sottoli will have to suspend itself for one week if one of its riders violates anti doping rules before August 7th, 2015. This team is suspended from MPCC until the next annual general meeting, planned on October 2015.
    – Rusvelo will have to suspend itself for four weeks if one of its riders violate anti doping rules before March 17th, 2015.
    – Androni Giocattoli will have to suspend itself for a week if one of its riders violates anti doping rules before May 30th, 2015.
    – Colombia will have to suspend itself for one week if one if its riders violates anti doping rules before January 22th, 2015.
    – Lampre-Merida will have to suspend itself for one week if one of its riders violates anti doping rules before May 21st, 2015
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #136 on: February 12, 2015, 16:07 »
    Not read it, but Shane on twitter doesn't understand Ulissi was not fired and Lampre have followed the MPCC rules.

    2 time a journo has made tge same mistake today on my TL

    MPCC needs to change their rules as Astana and Lampre have bent them out of shape but not broken them

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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #138 on: February 12, 2015, 18:57 »
    This is a very tricky one. Good that it is getting publicity though.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #139 on: February 12, 2015, 19:02 »
    MPCC needs to change their rules as Astana and Lampre have bent them out of shape but not broken them
    As far as I know, there isn't any UCI or MPCC rule saying that a rider who's suspended for doping MUST be fired.

    So what Lampre does isn't against the letter of the MPCC rules - but against their spirit, and very much so.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #140 on: February 12, 2015, 19:33 »
    Inrng makes the good point that this is no different to the Garmin riders staying under contract while serving their bans from USADA.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #141 on: February 13, 2015, 09:18 »
    The Synergy Baku Cycling Project is now a member of the MPCC as well.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #143 on: February 18, 2015, 09:57 »
    "Credible" :rofl:

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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #144 on: February 18, 2015, 10:11 »
    wtf :S :lol
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    With this Communication, Team Lampre-Farnese Vini officially known makes it impossible to confirm their adherence all'MPCC, Movement For Credible Cycling.

    This decision also stems from the fact that the most recent events (vicissitudes of Diego Ulissi) have put the Team Lampre-Farnese Vini in the obligation of a clear choice, because the principles set by the movement MPCC are opposed to: 1) the rules of labor law, 2) Regulations primary International Cycling Union (UCI).

    How dutifully obliged, Team Lampre-Farnese Vini feels indeed the obligation to keep the workplace of their runner Diego Ulissi, ensuring the athlete is entitled to return to competition - in observance of the UCI regulations - by way of recognition to the races starting from 28 March 2015.

    In light of the above, the Team Lampre-Farnese Vini is forced to postpone accession to the MPCC, possibly considering the request for readmission at a time when the rules of the Movement - shared in substance observed in the past and even in circumstances unfavorable to the Team - be in accordance with the dictates higher imprescriptible of the institutions and bodies of reference.

    What a joke..
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    I think it's a reasonable decision. The rules are not clear in this case (not those available on the MPCC website at least) - I certainly didn't understand them that way myself - and Lampre just can't afford to lose their best rider.

    and if the decision is either to leave the MPCC or to close the team next year, it's an easy one
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    This decision also stems from the fact that the most recent events (vicissitudes of Diego Ulissi) have put the Team Lampre-Farnese Vini in the obligation of a clear choice, because the principles set by the movement MPCC are opposed to: 1) the rules of labor law we want to keep Diego Ulissi, 2) Regulations primary International Cycling Union (UCI) we don't give a sh*t what that does to our image.
    Fixed that part. ;)

    What's even weirder than those 'reasons' is that the team is referred to as Lampre-Farnese Vini. :o
    That's how much they're living in the past - they even use the team name from 5 years ago! :lol
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    Agreed search. Rather the whole situation with the MPCC at the moment; the leaving, the arriving, those who are currently members. The lack of clarity, the idea was sound in theory, highly flawed in practice.
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