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Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
« Reply #210 on: February 23, 2016, 12:14 »
right which isnt any reasons ... just an announcement that they are ending the membership


I agree its pointless - but in an environment where it is seen as condoning PED use ... its a little odd

they write other initiatives being further developed by the official organizations

I think they see it as pointless since there are just a few members of the MPCC, and they will see what the official organizations (UCI) will do.
UCI usually does nothing  :lol
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #211 on: February 23, 2016, 21:09 »
    Katusha also leave
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #213 on: February 24, 2016, 10:26 »
    Katusha also leave

    to avoid a one week self suspension though I guess
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #214 on: February 24, 2016, 11:34 »
    to avoid a one week self suspension though I guess

    As pointed out by someone on the internet somewhere, they only joined in the first place to avoid losing their WT licence. The PR stunt paid off, and now that it threatens their participation in actual races, they've chucked it out.

    PR-BUSTM: 0%, because it was entirely expected.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #216 on: February 24, 2016, 12:56 »
    I DIDNT KNOW about THAT!

    shame on me but, which book is that?  :shh

    this  bookI think

    From Lance to Landis buy Walsh
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #217 on: February 24, 2016, 13:39 »
    this  bookI think

    From Lance to Landis buy Walsh

    thank you
    I haven't read any cycling/doping related book.
    I will have to sooner or later
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #218 on: February 24, 2016, 13:45 »
    I haven't read any cycling/doping related book.
    I will have to sooner or later
    How about this one?
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #219 on: February 24, 2016, 14:34 »
    Tweets
    So, in essence, Legeay took amphetamines 40 years ago, and started the Festina scandal.

    And? What are we supposed to take from that?
    In my opinion, this is simply Bruyneel throwing his toys because he's not allowed at the party anymore.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #220 on: February 24, 2016, 14:40 »
    So, in essence, Legeay took amphetamines 40 years ago, and started the Festina scandal.
    Amphetamines...in 1974.  :lol

    He probably held onto a car for too long once as well.  :-x

    If you have to go back that far, for that substance, and that's all that someone can come up with for dirt. Well then...
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #221 on: February 24, 2016, 14:42 »
    Amphetamines...in 1974.  :lol

    He probably held onto a car for too long once as well.  :-x

    If  you have to go back that far, for that substance, and that's all that someone can come up with for dirt. Well then...
    My thoughts exactly.
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    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mpcc-says-katusha-astana-and-lampre-merida-only-joined-out-of-opportunism/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cyclingnews%2Fnews+%28Cyclingnews%3A+News+%29

    You know, this all is probably true, but for the MPCC to make this stink about it? Is bad politics, IMO. It makes them sound like little miss (mr) goody-two-shoes down the street. When the image they SHOULD want to be projecting, at its WORST, should be something more like Dudley Doright. Only the bad guys laughed outright at Dudley.
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    One of the major cycling problems: The son of Dietrich Thurau (controlled x times positive, dogs are not the cat, who said "We can not play a big Tour without doping" 2007), and Gasparotto, "ex "customer Dr. Ferrari, winner of the Amstel Gold Race this year, were controlled with a plasma cortisol levels below standard. It's the least we can say for Gasparotto who was controlled at 8! to a standard of over 80. They'll start valiant in some days. The use of corticosteroids is authorized under the pretext of inflammation, so that of dope in this extraordinary product, and riders who "play" with the rates and these products are covered by an ipso facto organization set up and paid for it which argues for a health check and knows what is happening. Grotesque hypocrisy.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #228 on: October 27, 2016, 22:08 »
    https://www.twitter.com/RiksRedGuard/status/788376361043894273

    It does seem to me, that over time (like "now we know why Sky didn't join MPCC") that MPCC will, at least, help us poor benighted sods out in fanland know who are the good guys and who the bad. Maybe. Some, anyway.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #229 on: October 27, 2016, 22:27 »
    It does seem to me, that over time (like "now we know why Sky didn't join MPCC") that MPCC will, at least, help us poor benighted sods out in fanland know who are the good guys and who the bad. Maybe. Some, anyway.

    but what´s better? NOT joining MPCC at all, or leave MPCC when we dont like or respect their rules? Orica, Lampre, Astana, Katusha...

    the only MPCC member with a GT podium are AG2R. good guys, maybe too good (2014 Tour...)  :shh
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    What's better? What's better is that we see that people ARE quitting MPCC - and others not joining - because they don't like the MPCC rules. That means that MPCC is doing something right. By being strict, it has eventually told us who is willing to try and meet the stricter guidelines, and who is not. It doesn't tell us who is violating UCI / WADA regs, but it does give a good idea of who ISN"T violating regs.

    And, THAT ALONE is much much better than what we've had for two or three decades. I mean, that was the whole reason the whole doping thing got to be SUCH a scandal, and SO rancorous. Not that ppl were doping, but that so much lying was going on, and it went all the way to the top! So what we have now is so many ppl have no idea of who to believe and who not to believe. The MPCC has given us a metric to judge by - even if it is a small one - I think it is a step in the right direction. And I say that today, based on the HISTORY of MPCC membership and compliance. That is something we did not have a short time ago, when the MPCC was just getting started. Back then, we only had ppl's say-so. And you know how well lthat went over.

    Today, the MPCC has a history. And, as near as I can see, that history tells me I can put some faith in them, and there is a FOUNDATION for that faith. Today, we can reasonably have faith that at least some of the peloton is not doping. In ANY way. We can put aside whether Wiggo was "doping" or not - it doesn't really matter for the big picture. What matters for the big picture is that we have a foundation from which we can make judgements and comparisons. The MPCC is providing us a baseline, which is what they said they wanted to do, and history is showing them to be doing what they said they would do.

    That is what's better. 
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    And, THAT ALONE is much much better than what we've had for two or three decades. I mean, that was the whole reason the whole doping thing got to be SUCH a scandal, and SO rancorous. Not that ppl were doping, but that so much lying was going on, and it went all the way to the top! So what we have now is so many ppl have no idea of who to believe and who not to believe. The MPCC has given us a metric to judge by - even if it is a small one - I think it is a step in the right direction. And I say that today, based on the HISTORY of MPCC membership and compliance. That is something we did not have a short time ago, when the MPCC was just getting started. Back then, we only had ppl's say-so. And you know how well lthat went over.



    that´s a fair point. personally I dont feel the need to believe or not. for me it´s entertaiment, just like for the hundred thousands people on the roadsides watching races.
    but I understand your point of view, after decades of super fuelled performances.
    what we see, at the end of the day, is always, as you say, the scandal is NOT that people were doping, but that they were lying.
    or "I know the rider I like needs to use super fuel to beat the rider I dont like"
    so the problem is not the doping. it´s how it´s perceived.

    when thinking about "doping" I always think about Tyler Hamilton. the good buy. oh dear he´s such a good guy, he couldnt be doping. I remember hearing that during his strong years
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    that´s a fair point. personally I dont feel the need to believe or not. for me it´s entertaiment, just like for the hundred thousands people on the roadsides watching races.
    but I understand your point of view, after decades of super fuelled performances.
    what we see, at the end of the day, is always, as you say, the scandal is NOT that people were doping, but that they were lying.
    or "I know the rider I like needs to use super fuel to beat the rider I dont like"
    so the problem is not the doping. it´s how it´s perceived.

    when thinking about "doping" I always think about Tyler Hamilton. the good buy. oh dear he´s such a good guy, he couldnt be doping. I remember hearing that during his strong years

    Yeah, I was one of the ppl who had that hope. Floyd was the same for me - after all - its hard to find a stricter background than growing up as a Mennonite.  And I think most people would consider the Mennonites far more honest than your average bear. However, with Floyd I was convinced he was lying pretty quickly - he changed his story shortly after getting caught - and that was a dead give-away.

    I don't like the doping at the levels it was at in the 90's and aughts. But I watch MMA on occasion - not often, but every once in a while. And its pretty obvious that quite a lot of those guys are doing steroids. But I can't stand WWE, which is JUST "entertainment", and more rife with steroids than a bodybuilding convention. Well, maybe not THAT bad - but pretty close.

    Anyway, AFAIC, the MPCC is giving us reason to believe it when we hear that riders can win clean today - and that at least some riders are clean - maybe even "most" riders. If we stuck in the modifier "relatively" - or working inside UCI / WADA rules, I think we can be pretty confident that "most" applies.
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    more or less as expected...

    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/606469251076124672

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    Bibbiano, Italy, June 4, 2015


    In answer to the last communication received from the Mouvement Pour un Cyclisme Credible (MPCC) on 31.05.2015, Bruno Reverberi team representative Bardiani - CSF represents that through this open letter:

    We confirm that for the case in question we have made an error of interpretation of the regulation but the runner had no responsibility in the case and therefore does not get it started in the Tour of Italy would be penalized for no fault of his and that would overly affected the his future career.

    We do this and we want to emphasize here that the aforementioned runner started in the first stage of the Tour of Italy on May 9 with values ​​of cortisol to normal, as per report of the analysis carried out by our doctor and inviataVI later.

    Instead, we are very saddened by how it was handled by you the thing, making us look like a team doped.


    1) The following day (May 20) the victory of our racer in the Tour of Italy and 'was made voluntarily quit the news on the case, certainly fed into the press by some counsel for the' MPCC that he had been informed by you of case.

    2) What it is most 'serious' the official statement issued in the same day by you with the result that all the press has created a media hype as if it were a case of doping.

    3) The statement, in our opinion, and 'entirely inappropriate, both in ways that in the time,' cause it did not solve anything and did not give our team a way to justify and clarify its position, in doing so you have condemned even before hearing our defenses.


    Therefore we feel useless our participation in the next meeting of the day on June 8.

    We also want to point out that our team and 'one of the first to join the MPCC,' cause we believed in the project but the MPCC conduct towards us, a team that does not have and will not have 'never in its ranks riders who have had to do with doping is totally wrong. Therefore, if a case like ours and 'behaved as mentioned above, unduly damaging the image of our sponsors and the team itself, we inform you that as of today our team does not believe the most' in the project of the Mouvement Pour un Cyclisme Credible (MPCC) and so unquestionable canceling its membership.

    So we had to


    http://www.bardianicsf.com/news-lettera-aperta-sul-caso-bardiani-csf-mpcc55705c444f939-it.php

    back in :lol :lol

    http://www.bardianicsf.com/en/news/adesione-a-mpcc-per-la-stagione-2018/
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